Special Planning & Zoning Board — Jun 17, 2025

Everybody gonna call a special P&Z meeting for the City of Plantation date June 7th 2025 to order I'm cook. Could we please have the roll? Miss Gelfand mr. Stahl here. Miss Demby Berger present mr. Foreman here mr. Freeman. Yes, mr. Goldstein here Here, thank you. All right First order business is approval meeting minutes from May 20th 2025 does anybody have any corrections or alterations to the minutes? Do I have a motion? I I do actually have one quick correction, which is that there's a a comment on the Vote for the TOD and parking ordinance where there's a statement about Having formerly lived in a city with robust transit and that was attributed to me. It wasn't it was miss Gelfand Yeah, I think that's the day that we did the TOD and parking ordinance. Yeah, so that's my only correction Anything else do I have a motion? Subject to the correction sorry. Just a moment. Okay. Miss Gelfand states that she was not here Yes, all right So do we have to make a motion with the addition? All right motion with the addition do I have one? I'll make a motion to approve the minutes with the change stated earlier second motion a second, please motion second Mr. Della Grange was a second. I believe so. Yeah, thank you. Miss Gelfand. Yes. Mr. Stahl. Yes. Miss Demby Berger. Yes Mr. Corman. Yes. Mr. Freeman. Yes. Mr. Goldstein. Yes. Mr. Della Grange. Yes. Thank you All right first order business public hearing for PP 24-0031 Consideration of a request to amend the land development code for the second cycle charitable household donations The donation trailer is located in the Vizcaya Shopping Center located 801 to 989 North Nob Hill Road and Zone 3 BP B3P general business staff good evening board members Michael Albert assistant director The applicant second cycle has submitted an application requesting an amendment to section 27-296 of the land development regulations to allow a donation trailer as a permitted accessory use within the B2P central business district B3P general business district and CFP community facilities district The application has been submitted in conjunction with a special event approval to allow the donation trailer to be located at the Vizcaya Square shopping center on property that is zoned B3P The current special event extension is approved through July 31st 2025 to allow the applicant the opportunity to seek an appropriate venue in a jurisdiction that permits the use Staff finds it periodically necessary to amend the code of ordinances in order to update and or add regulations and procedures to implement municipal goals and objectives We find the code lacks sufficient standards concerning the location of donation uses and donation trailers And that insufficient maintenance and oversight of donation trailers detracts from the aesthetic appearance of the city Staff has prepared a separate version of the amendment to section 27 to allow an inline donation center as a conditional use within those two commercial districts And to allow a donation trailer as a conditional use within the community facilities district So the applicant's proposal is to update the master business list table 100-1 for the use adding the staff charitable donation collection trailer to the accessory uses and standards section 27 27-296 kk4 and Excuse me And then staff's proposal is also to amend the master business list But to create some definitions for this type of use And amending section 2711 and in 27105 to update the specific use regulations for this use This map shows all of the pertaining districts So the red ones are B2P They're on most of the commercial corridors Broward Boulevard Sunrise Knob Hill Pine Island B3P is a little bit more limited You'll see them along Flamingo Road This property On Knob Hill Road And then the CFPs We actually have more than this But we excluded the ones that are city owned So these would be the privately owned including schools Places of worship and things like that So Tiskaya shopping center Is The main anchor tenant for that is Winn-Dixie So the current location is shown in the blue circle of their trailer Here's some views This is a view looking South towards Cleary Road Cleary Boulevard Some other views of the trailer This is mounted And some more views of it So in deciding whether to recommend approval Staff The department Planning and zoning board City councils Need to consider criteria noted In section 2743G When you're amending the land development code And these are the specific criteria Whether it's consistent with the goals Objectives and policies of the comp plan Whether it's consistent with the authority and purpose of the code Whether it furthers orderly development of the city Whether it promotes sustainability and efficiency And whether it promotes public health safety welfare and aesthetics And in some aspects there's an analysis in your backup It partially meets but there's part of it that it doesn't meet each of these criteria In staff's view And whether this improves the administration or execution of the development process So these are some of the exhibits It's again defining the two terms Donation center would be an inline establishment And a donation trailer would be a trailer but not a container That is self-sufficient storage for these goods that are donated to a non-profit organization And this just shows Sorry This shows creation of in the table three different categories And the three districts that we're talking about And then the section of code where the regulations would be found In terms of compatibility with the surrounding development pattern We don't feel it meets that Compliance with the comp plan We don't feel that it meets the comp plan And specifically a couple of goals were mentioned in your backup Goal one policy 1.8.1 and 1.8.3 To summarize we feel it doesn't preserve the essential character of the neighborhoods It's not consistent with the general plan for the development of commercial districts Does not align with our intended aesthetics Does not maintain a cohesive and visually appealing environment with respect to signage Could be a detriment to adjoining properties Not in harmony with the general character of the neighborhoods And it could be out of scale and not complement the architectural style Or blend in with the surrounding environment of our commercial centers So therefore we recommend denial And in the event that the planning and zoning board recommends approval We recommend the version prepared by the city Thank you Mr. Chairman I know Michael He has a vast amount of knowledge on this stuff So he kind of went over something that is just to clarify that this item is is not a quasi-judicial item It's not really specific to their property because the change will apply Citywide in the districts which it is intended to So the language of the denial versus the approval Is in the context of how you normally see these but it's really approving And a change in the code or not approving the change in the code and which version do you think Is appropriate for the city so it's not Quasi-judicial for their property even though they recommend they brought this forward because they want to see a change so they could have this um This specific use at their property. It's not really What we're dealing with today is not really specific to their property just to make that clear for the record And we when you say their property are we talking about the trailer or are we talking about this guy a plaza the plaza? Okay, got it. Did I mislead anything like or do you want to add anything else? No, that's absolutely correct. Is there an applicant? Yes Okay, would you while they come up the code allows for individuals entities to request changes to the code So it's part of the process and that's what they've done And he'll explain kind of what their reasoning is behind it. Thank you. So good evening everyone My name is will lastrum here on behalf of the applicant second cycle donation trailers I also have with me Sal Faruja who is the director of real estate for red white and blue thrift Which is the thrift stores that are associated with the donation trailers Let's see so first I want to start by talking about Like who is second cycle so second cycle is operated by m&m thrift management And they run community drop off centers where you can donate household goods This includes items such as clothing and shoes jewelries watches and collectibles small appliances Sporting goods kitchen items glassware small furnishings home decor toys and games tools and harbor so like a lot of household goods And then M&M thrift management partners with the with a charity in this case. It would be vietnam veterans of america And they collect the donated items on their behalf And then purchase them from them to which would then be sold in their thrift stores. So that's kind of how the business model works Let's see so I know michael showed this but here's an overview of the site It's located 801 north knob hill road at the northwest corner of clear in knob hill Right now they're operating with a temporary use permit So they originally had filed for a permit to operate it was a special thing a special event permit At some point someone realized that the code doesn't currently allow trailers so they had to rectify it So this is kind of our solution at the moment is they're doing a temporary permit while the While this application is pending So I wanted to talk a little bit about the trailer design and the operations So first the hours of operation are 9 a.m. To 5 p.m. Seven days a week And at all times that they're open there is an attendant on site This is important especially because it it'll have someone there that can assist with the with the collection of donations can answer questions It also does a good job that having someone there also helps with Keeping the site like clear and orderly so that you don't have you know people just dropping stuff off here and there Let's see so as you can see in the picture in the top right of the trailer This is like a gooseneck style trailer Which is it's a much nicer design and one of our goals with this code amendment is to make sure that if we're going to allow trailers that It's only these the higher quality ones you're not going to get like the I don't know what to call them or like the landscaper style ones These are these are intended to be nicer looking Trailers that come with a lot more features for example these trailers all have bathrooms in them They also have office space you see they have the awning there to assist with like sunny and stuff So overall the design of these trailers is significantly nicer than what you would see with the the average trailer Okay, so here's another picture of the site plan. It shows where the trailer is located on the site The first two pictures there. I know they're a little small, but they could they show you the view from Cleary Boulevard and While you can see the trailer It doesn't stick out from that angle We really feel like it blends in nicely with the With the landscaping this there the trees and such and then the bottom three pictures are of the Kind of similar what michael showed there their pictures of the shopping center view So why are shopping centers the ideal location for donation trailers the the biggest one is higher foot traffic equals more donations So by having a you know a Consistent stream of people that are coming in having like a site where there's a lot of people coming through you tend to get the best Bang for your buck when it comes to getting donations in addition They found that a lot of these a lot of people when they're donating They do it as part of their other errands They'd be running so if you're going to Publix you drop it off while you're doing that If you're going to Starbucks to get a coffee drop something off real quick so by having it in a place that is Frequented by a lot of people and a lot of different types, you know a lot of different people It uh, it helps the business to be much more successful and collect a lot more donations So as far as the broader demographic reach I was kind of just touching on that that having a larger group helps You know it helps Yeah, exactly exactly Um, so then next I want to talk a little bit about uh lighting and security So the one of the other reasons we like being in shopping centers is they tend to have significantly better lighting As well as security, um, you know most shopping centers have are fully lit up Whereas some other locations you could see them like a maybe some sort of community center or something don't Usually have that same kind of security Um, and it makes people a little less likely to to donate um, and then another one is the uh Basically the hours of operation most retail sites are at a minimum open from Nine to five seven seven days a week Which kind of is in line with what we're looking to do So the next thing is why uh why donation trailers like why does it need to be a trailer So the first one is safer and easier drop off Um one of the things we want to avoid is you know as you can see in some of these pictures cars parking in the fire lane When you have a tenant space sometimes that you there's issues where either You have people trying to stop in the fire lane, which is problematic Or you tend to notice that there are those locations don't do as well Because a lot of people in addition to wanting to do it while they're going to Publix or get coffee or something They want it to be convenient like they want to be able to just pull up real quick drop off their stuff And then uh be on their way They don't want to have to you know go park in a spot potentially far away and then lug all their stuff And it's not that no one would use it. It's just you tend to see um You just tend to see less usage if it's in a tenant space where it's not quite as accessible Um and then the next one this this is a big one is the lower operating costs Uh the trailer has you know lower rent uh no utility costs Uh you don't have the same insurance Whereas with a storefront you know you got the high rents you have to pay utilities Um you have all the insurance you got to have and the lower operating costs is really what allows this business to be feasible When you have to be in a shopping center it just in a tenant space it makes it it makes it much more difficult to be feasible Um and then just to touch on a couple other things we got faster setup you know the trailers can be set up quicker Um more flexibility to relocate them if needed typically the leases aren't as long as they would be if you're in a tenant space And then the trailers are also built for donations so they're perfect they're secure they're storage ready Um where sometimes storefronts aren't quite as as uh good for that And then uh why second cycle and plantation and why is it important to do this why change the code now So first is community need you know plantation has a strong culture of community engagement and you know sustainability is very important So second cycle sites provide an accessible way for residents to participate In sustainability efforts and reduce their environmental impact Um as far as convenience and visibility uh i kind of touched on this in one of the earlier slides but the area offers Uh high traffic retail centers and excellent visibility making an ideal location And of shopping centers this specific one in viscaya it's one of second site it's already one of second cycles more successful more Uh well trafficked locations so you want to be in a shopping center and you definitely want to be in this shot like This shopping center is an excellent location um sustainability goals We feel that this amendment aligns with the cities and the counties environmental and civic goals by promoting reuse and reducing waste In particular the solid waste authority for broward county has recently come out with their their uh draft of their master plan Of you know how we're going to handle garbage in the coming years And uh obviously one of the important things with that is to minimize waste when possible And by having a donation trailer such as this it's it it has a an impact on uh Basically the reusable stuff for being able to resell goods so it doesn't just immediately go to the landfill And look it it doesn't solve every environmental issue But it's an important step in the right direction that that does make an impact Um and then lastly I wanted to briefly touch on community benefits Um which is just the environmental impact And then the job creation and and also the fact that it doesn't cost anything to the community I think is also important so a lot of these programs like with the solid waste authority They're talking about uh instituting you various composting programs or other such things to kind of assist moving forward And those are great I think we should definitely move forward with them But there is a cost you know the cities typically have to pay for these services Where a donation trailer has no it's no cost to the city to have that So here just to touch on a few things for why second cycle in particular their donation trailers It's it's such a successful model and so effective is as I mentioned before the it's the full-time uniform staff on site You know you don't have volunteers you have someone there who you know is knowledgeable that they're It's it's our job to be there so they kind of make sure everything's running properly The employees are trained in customer service and supervised by experienced area managers We have south florida based managers with 20 plus years experience overseeing the operations Um you know you have professional branded trailers you don't have like tractor trailers or low riding cargo trailers Which once again one of our goals with this amendment is if we're going to allow trailers We want it to be the highest possible quality we could get Um and then just to touch on a few more regular oversight and accountability It's not a passive drop-off having someone there really does cut down on You know some of the bins sometimes you'll see People like put stuff next to it or you know other issues where with these you don't really have that issue And if someone happens to put something there overnight by 9 a.m. The next morning the employee is taking care of it So you never have a an issue where you know There's a buildup of either donations or whatever else people are leaving there And then I want to talk about the amendment itself like what what we're trying to do and what our what our amendment says And our goal is to narrowly tailor it to allow trailers that Provide a substantial benefit without you know opening the door to every kind of trailer imaginable So a few ways we've done that is first to only be allowed in specific commercial zoning districts specifically b2p and b3p In addition to that they have to be located in shopping centers that are a anchored by grocery stores with 25 000 plus square feet Have a hundred plus parking and are located on roads with 20 000 plus adt like the traffic counts Um and then as far as site restrictions like one trailer per per shopping center Um you can't have you know even if you have room for it You were just one per shopping center And then also a one mile buffer so if you had two shopping center like where we are There's a shopping center across the street as a public's and some other some other retail there That would be within the one mile so that would not be an eligible location if a trailer was located at viscaya for example Um we also are proposing a 50 foot setback from residential zones And then uh the placement will require site plan approval So as far as operational standards as I mentioned open seven days a week minimum eight hours a day Um it can't be used for storage or distribution just the collecting the goods Um which are then you know taken away by truck to uh Be sold in the thrift stores and you know work with the charitable organizations Um also you have to opt they have to have a valid business to actually see it with the city And be registered with the florida dmv as far as design requirements And we're still looking at ways we could maybe buff this one up But we want gooseneck style trailers as I've said a couple times now we want if they're going to be trailers We want nice ones um and then the trailers have to include security cameras lighting restroom and office space climate control And as far as the exterior of the trailer Um we are we have language to prevent it from becoming like a advertising like a massive advertisement billboard We want it to like we want it to be able to direct people for charitable goods But not be you know kind of all over the place with uh Uh lots and lots of verbiage and signage so next I want to talk about community and municipal support And for that I'm going to turn it over to Sal Farugia who can kind of talk about some of the stuff He's done in the past and stuff they could potentially be doing in plantation Thank you all good evening everyone so this slide just talks Sorry just for the record name and address uh Sal Farugia with second cycle director of real estate That good enough good okay excellent Do you have an address for an office address um Um or M&M thrift management it's on south main street in ventura california close enough Um yeah so um thank you for this opportunity so this slide just talks a little bit about our compute community engagement program Because that's an important component um to just really participate in the communities where we're located because obviously If you're in the community and participating it's going to drive Um donorship so we didn't roll out our full program in plantation because we were operating a couple weeks and we got the notice so we didn't do our grand opening we didn't do any of the really Engagement things that you'll see in the presentation or you might have seen in the presentation The one item that we did do because it truly does align with our Um mission of sustainability is the um young ed art program we participated in their sustainability fashion show And just because we're a large company we do have flexibility so what we did there is um We took all the girls to our hollywood retail store and they all had a shopping spree so they were able to pick up shoes Accessories you know foundation garments everything um for the fashion show so it further promotes like hey this is a hundred percent sustainable You're not going out and buying you know Um a scarf you can you can repurpose things so we did do that and we'll roll out more programs like that We do a lot of school engagement programs our tampa locations we um engaged with uh one of the elementary schools in hillsborough county and you can see on earth day we sponsored a Basically a donation drive for the students and their parents they came they donated they got little stickers And then that became the teaching framework for the teachers that day to talk about um Earth day and what it kind of means to them and you know the kids they loved it They were you know the ones who forgot their stuff were like pulling out folders like hey I don't need this folder can I donate it like yes you can And then we do um partner with and this even though our trailer is vietnam veterans of america We do partner with other nonprofits on the far right slide Um that was a literacy program that we participated with uh in tampa um where Literacy program received a donation from scholastic books like hundreds of books But their program is only for elementary um and pre-k Kids so they had all these books and they're like what are we going to do with them again sustainability you can't throw them out We'll take them you know um and so We do a lot of um sierra club we'd like to be participant with uh any of the communities We will reach out to all the ptas and do um projects with them And so um it's really just a lot of community engagement we definitely would like to sponsor a little league and soccer So just a brief summary of kind of what we've gone over here We're requesting an amendment to allow you know specific trailers certain types of trailers We're working with a temporary permit at the moment we're asking for a narrow amendment with clear standards you know We're trying to tailor as carefully and as thoughtfully as possible You know with minimum setbacks the required staffing the design and appearance location restrictions Um and with that that's that's our presentation if you have any questions Now is a great time to ask and if you have any any thoughts or you know Suggestions for the amendment where we're you know, we're constantly tinkering with it. So we're open to any and all Suggestions on how to improve it. Thank you. Um, well, I will open it up to the dais Who me we're just gonna go left to right vicki you look okay? Thank you for the presentation at 5 30. I drove and saw the trailer It's very clean. It's very nice. It takes up a lot of parking places How do the I have a lot of questions, but how do the? Tenants in the shopping center feel about the six parking places that the trailer takes up? And if people are dropping off And you're talking about people parking in the fire lanes just getting in there. I had five people I had to go around because they were parking in the parking lanes. So how do they Monitor that so I can bring Sal up here in a second He might have a specific answer, but for this shopping center the spaces where the trailer is located is kind of the back side of the plaza um Those spaces tend to be I don't want to call them overflow spaces I would say employees maybe Sure, but it's not in an area where you're taking up spaces And I don't know if we said in the presentation But we would want as part of the amendment that you have to have sufficient parking for the whatever shopping center And you can't take away parking that would be required The next question is how many times a day does the trailer get Emptied? Sure How does that how do they do that? Sure, I'll let Sal do that one. Thanks, Sal It gets empty when it gets Basically, we have a warehouse in Doral That has box trucks a fleet of box trucks And so our manager they monitor when it gets full and then they just come and pick it up right out of the back So they'll they'll get as close as they can back to back and shove it across So how does the inside of the trailer look? I didn't see any pictures of that Yeah, there was one So basically it's bags and bags of stuff There's another one on here Okay, so the attendant sorts everything out or just gives out receipts saying you donated? You get your tax-deductible receipt and then you go on your way it all gets put there So there's no there's no physical sorting or anything On the property no distribution or nothing. It's just purely collection Okay, and now I live in a community and a lot of people do call Breast cancer survivors they women in distress Vietnam veterans and they come and pick it up at their house. Yeah So why would you want to have a trailer rather than I would rather have somebody come to my house and pick up the bag than me putting it in the trunk of my car lifting it up bringing it in there? Well, I think there's a couple reasons is because we we are the vietnam veterans. Please please pickup.org Is is our home pickup program and what we do what we find is is For one people don't want to donate because they want privacy right like I don't want this guy walking on my property coming up There's that suspicion Some of the gated communities have a challenge of you have to leave it at the guardhouse then it doesn't get picked up or The guard doesn't know this so we have a logistical Situation there there it is from we don't want to put more trucks on the roads We want to take a little more of a sustainability approach and let's just have that bag that's sitting on your front You know front your bottom of your steps you just grab the bag and you get immediate You can do decluttering immediately. It's in a more immediate thing. You don't have to go online You don't have to schedule anything you just like you know what? I just want to get rid of this set of golf clubs. I got a new one I'm Going to get my starbucks or i'm going to win dixie to get half and half for my coffee I'm just going to get rid of these golf clubs and so you have a more You're willing to donate more if you don't have to plan Too much you have to plan enough that it's in your route, but not not that And um, what is a grand opening? I mean, I know what a grand opening is, but a grand opening for like is it? It's not a thrift store No, it's a it's basically when you have a grand opening They're all going to walk up those little stairs walk in the trailer and go wow look at all that stuff No, no what we do and we're planning it for this one um, so our um, our PR firm down here top of mind Paola she's a resident a plantation and so you'll see some photos. We have stilt walkers. We have bubble people We do it's like a community engagement where we like hey come to our trailer what we were going to do in plantation was The different elementary schools We were going to have a donor competition with the ptas so Whoever comes to the grand opening they'll be food. They'll be whatever And whatever school donates The most donors that day will make a monetary donation to your pta or support something And so those are those are kind of the grand openings on it's obviously not a full scale, but we do ribbon cutting um, we'll invite the mayor um councilmen Especially in this case it would be a great step for plantation to say hey look at we're making a step towards the landfill 5.7 Percent of that trash is textiles that can be It's recycled We're not going to we're going to let us be a model for it. Um, and uh And then it's a great PR firm And where's your closest retail store? Hollywood Hollywood Why didn't you open one up in hollywood instead of plantation? Do you have a trailer in hollywood? No So how where is hollywood getting their donations from right now? Hollywood would be getting them from the home pickup program And that's not very successful. It's got to be super successful And they're um, they're there's they're they're getting from other markets their Products are being florida is very good with the donations, uh, are for the retail side But they're getting they're getting donations from other markets. We have to truck them in there's there's there's not That's all I can think of right now. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you So when how long have you been operating there? I know the original approval was rescinded in October I think we opened there September. Yeah, yeah, we weren't open very long before pretty sure It was like yeah, it was very quickly and then how many Donations I guess do you get on average like a day at that location? So right now we're averaging anywhere between 8.4 and 10 donations a day So it's in you know, and we're not advertising we have no boosted ads on Facebook We're not on Instagram and and like I said, we have done minimal sponsorship in the community and And um have you had a chance to review the staff proposed ordinance? And are you amenable to that or what are your reservations with that? Uh, we yeah, I think it's a great framework, and it's definitely a step forward, but I think that the street specific Trigger in the community zoning district Is not the right step you need to be in the business District, you know just because the community It's it's limited. It's limited Attendees you just have a smaller audience you it's just not really the model doesn't work you need to be where Truthfully, you need to be where grocery anchored Um, or big box hardware lowe's home depot or target, you know, it's a very detailed Science even though it sounds silly as you know, but like a donation trailer in a furniture anchored store Nobody's gonna grab their no You have to really be in a specific kind of shopping area Like Vizcaya square that has Starbucks because people are going there it has the dry cleaner Um, and it has the Winn-Dixie it has a barbershop those kind of things you really need to be into those type of uses Okay, thank you You're welcome Yep, I got it Uh, when the trailer is fully fully is full and you bring your box truck up to collect it What time of the day did this happen? Does it take place? I'd have to check with our dispatch whether they come first thing in the morning They probably come first thing in the morning because they bring an empty truck Do they do it before or during the store hours the regular store hours? I don't know exactly Okay, I can find out. I know that our dispatch starts um at seven Okay, when they when they back the truck up i'm assuming that you take the stuff from the back of the trailer Yeah, you open the back doors up The box truck backs up to the trailer is there enough parking Walking spots in there to back it up or is it going to block the roadway going back? We try not to block the roadway I'd have to I'd have to go look at the spaces there and ask eddie how he does it Okay, okay, yeah, there's a question for staff actually I just want to go over the main differences between the applicant proposal versus the staff Proposal from my understanding them both of them update the master business list But I think the staff version makes it a conditional use while the applicant proposal makes it a by right permitted use Correct, and then the uh, the major difference is actually trailer versus an inline store Okay, um, so if we do pass the staff version of it and make it a conditional use The applicant is going to have to come back and apply for the conditional use permit What's the time frame for that because their permit their temporary permit expires next month, right? Well, this still you know if the if the board approve recommends approval still would have to go to council If the council does approve the amendment Whatever direction they do that then it would be after the council approves that so um So what happens to them in the current the current permit is extended through july 31st, but if If there's a delay in the processing of this then the administration would extend it further to allow them the due process and that temporary Permit doesn't have to come to any vote by us or by council it can be done administratively Temporary permit temporary permit. No, that's administration. Okay. Yep. Thank you. I have a few questions. Um Again, you know Charity is great and I think it's a great concept. We just want to make sure that It fits our city and it's right for our city and where it's located um My question is for The shopping plaza so right now At first I was like oh, why are they having the trailer well They're paying you a lease to take up three or four parking spots versus an actual um Spot it as a tenant so what is the lease agreement with them Cheers sal you want to talk about the lease? So right now, um Basically, uh And in part it's kind of an industry standard there's specialty leasing and then there's Permanent leasing so we as a parking lot activity we are under specialty leasing So it's a shorter term lease. It's a gross lease, right? So we don't participate in cam. We don't participate in anything It's a cancelable lease. So if Kimco was to sell this property to Simon Simon, you know sawgrass mills and they were like nope We don't have any of that stuff in our shopping center You're done. You would be done. So so that's kind of the difference is also it's um a two-year lease um and Basically, it's it's comparable to the EV charging stations. It's comparable to the christmas tree Seasonal christmas tree sales. You do see I'll contradict myself, but just to put it in perspective the halloween stores Um that go into these temporary spaces those are also specialty leasing because they're just shorter terms So it's that kind of thing The they recognize Kimco recognizes it's always been specialty leasing For it to move over to the other side you're looking at definitely a five-year lease Um, you know, it's such an incredible. I mean, I'm constantly complimenting will it's an incredible real estate market here in south florida um I I love it. Um But truthfully, there's very limited vacancy and the rent would just not make it feasible for For that type of you know for a donation center Okay, so you you do pay for lease and how many parking spots does the trailer Take up it's 42 feet So five parking spaces now One of the things i'm a little bit confused with I I go in charity Navigator always to check charities. I can't find any of these names nothing is coming up under second cycle Nothing's coming up under red white and blue thrift m&m thrift and I don't know which vietnam vets of the group You are with so I wasn't able to verify you on charity navigator What is your formal name? The charity partner is vietnam veterans of america Yeah, and it's identified on the trailer. So what percentage of your Retail Actually goes to the vietnam veterans of america They it's the the items are it's a contract between m&m thrift Which is the parent company of second cycle red white and blue thrift? community thrift and mile high thrift so basically we sign a contract with vietnam veterans of america for x amount of dollars per pound of donations I don't I don't have the specifics of the contract It's basically you know supply chain and I'm real estate But it's not tied to The sale because the sale um in the stores is it's always Fluctuating if you've if you've been in our thrift stores there to get reduced reduced reduced reduced So it's so it's a set amount when we bring it back to our warehouse everything gets weighed It gets logged in the check gets cut to vietnam veterans of america, and we have officially purchased the product So it's it's a service as part of the contract to purchase the goods To collect the goods and so for us to make it uniform across the different markets We came up with second cycle brand so you wouldn't find that as a charity because if you go to tampa We're our we couldn't get the vietnam veterans contract we have clean international if you go to houston We're veterans voice of america if you go to dallas we actually our special olympics of dallas Out west we're vietnam veterans of america So it's so for us to get a consistent brand and a consistent look we kind of rolled out second cycle That's basically a brand under m&m thrift What percentage I guess is What percentage I guess you said by pounds most we a lot of people rank charities on what percentage actually gets the charity So what if you overall what percentage gets to vietnam veterans of america? I don't know that it's a from what I understand we're their largest source of income And so you have a thrift store in hollywood And you said that products come from a different market there. Can you explain what that means? Yeah, so so we have 29 locations across the country and um on the retail side And we have the home pickup program in Every market we're rolling out second cycle donation centers in certain markets so um in other areas of the country because of availability people donate more Right you know you go to certain markets and these are bad and they're competitors and I don't encourage this But you go and there's the clothes bin world that exists. It just it does In other markets doesn't exist too much in broward county Um, so to get more product to fill the demand we have to tractor trailer product to florida Okay, so that's bad from a sustainability standpoint. It's bad It's bad from a business standpoint Um, because truthfully florida people want florida product Like if I go and talk to a manager in my north miami store and our lakewood store and our hollywood store, they'll be like sell I don't i want jersey or chicago stuff. I want give me florida stuff You know, I don't need a winter coat in a north face jacket in august You know, and i'm like i'm trying to i'm trying we're trying to get you So I think it's it's it's it's that's the product so us bringing in more opportunities to donate Yes, it feeds the thrift store It benefits the charity But it but as a whole it also solves the sustainability uh situation in broward And you still would be able to if we passed it not in permanent use but where it was conditional you had to come You still would be able to do that you just have to come and you know be accountable and we'd have to make sure that things were working smoothly so we're open to conditional even a conditional with um A renewal that has an end and you have to come back for another conditional like hey You promised me this and you did a crappy job. We're not giving it to you again You know, we would definitely want that the key for us is Um, we need to be in the business district. We can't be in the community We can't have a trailer in the community district in the in the staff's recommendation that that doesn't doesn't fit the model The conditional part that works for us No objections thank you My questions for staff, I think um Can someone explain to me when they applied for hermit why it was granted and then why it was rescinded? It was granted inadvertently and Um rescinded because it's not allowed in our code So so what they want though isn't a special event permit ultimately right so under a special event permit, but it Right, so what what i'm trying to understand is if we didn't change the code is there a legal path forward to them That's not some temporary thing but to give them some Sort of so there's no way they could operate legally If we didn't change the code correct not to my knowledge anything else that's it all right um Okay, so that was answered Uh, we're gonna go backwards in time here for me Um, I thought vicki was asking a different question. So i'm going to ask it The labs how often are they serviced how are they serviced so they're serviced by a third-party maintenance company And they're again. I don't I don't want to say weekly. I don't know exactly how often they are but we have basically um, you know third-party janitorial service that comes so like a lab dumping facility like Poop truck comes and vacuums out your tank. Yeah, and fills water Okay, yeah, um Several of the pictures showed a 25 24-hour drop shoot Yes trailers does this one have a 24-hour drop shoot on a trailer we Through discussions with various people we wouldn't we would relocate um a trailer that we have that has a 24-hour that be that was our latest design for 20 um 2025 to add this overnight slot to address people if they wanted to overnight you know donate after so we would take our trailer we have a trailer in lakeworth that has a drop we would take it from our lake work location and put it here Okay, why was there not one put in this one or in this location? This is an original prototype that didn't didn't have that feature and then we worked with the manufacturer I forget their name they're out of indiana on how we could install the um the overnight bin all right um can people drop off drop off at the hollywood store no why not the store the retail stores are not built for donations they're built their retail establishments okay, so there it wouldn't have It it loss prevention would not like somebody walking in with a bag of product right because because it's a thrift store So it's hard to identify what you're selling because the merchandise is constantly selling so loss prevention would not want someone walking in with a bag So that means we would have to figure out another route in the space planning and architecture world We we don't have that because we have we're intaking trucks of product Um, so we would need to staff it we would need to create a safe pedestrian entry drop-off area We would need those kind of things. Okay, my next couple questions are for staff. Thank you um As written I didn't if it was there. I didn't see it does the code rewrite that you're proposing Actually restrict the different types of trailers because there's the one that they showed But there are obviously other tail trailer types out there that could potentially accomplish the same task So it does the rewrite have specifically make and model or just design type design type How do we plan to not that specific actually? Okay, so how do we actually plan to? Prevent the law of unintended consequences by somebody saying that uh, this trailer should meet it just based on code writing it's part of the conditional use Application process right, but the conditional use is to have a trailer I'm talking about the specific type of trailer So that would be subject to the judgment of whoever is sitting there approving the conditional use Okay, um, you kind of answered it, but i'm looking for a clear on the record answer here How would this specific use benefit the city and I get that there's all kind of buzzwords about sustainability and everything else, but? Specifically i'm talking about how does the rewrite of the code negate the impression that the donation trailers are some kind of blight or Unsightly or not So when I did the presentation I said that it partially meets Certain criteria we don't dispute the sustainability aspects of this and the altruistic aspect of this It's more about the aesthetics and having a trailer versus having Not having a trailer. That's that's really the bottom line there. So the the idea behind Making it in line in the shopping center and then making it allowable as a trailer in a community facility such as a place of worship that has a large parking lot and then A certain audience or patrons that come to it We feel it'd be more appropriate there, but that's staff's professional opinion I Totally respect that and i'm going to be the guy who says it out loud here. I don't like this I don't think that this particular use is In line with what our city wants mostly because the trailers no matter how nice they are they look as an Afterthought they look as if they don't actually physically belong within that shopping plaza and frankly within The nature of the city so when it comes to whether or not We should have the ability to donate things like this I mean i'll just say it for years i've been putting my stuff in my car and i make a trip over to the goodwill store That's own davey that does actually have a drop-off point that is separate and right behind their actual thrift store So to claim that it can't be done Is in my opinion and i apologize the way that this is going to sound but i've been awake since like 2 30 in the morning um It sounds like this is just a straight financial choice to fit into with your business model And while your business model may be an admirable one in many ways I don't think that the city should be changing its code in order to Meet this particular need because it hasn't frankly been demonstrated to be a pressing need within our city At least as far as that i've been aware of so um What i will say before i open it up to public comments is that as i've said many times in many separate meetings Our goal here is to to atfq answer the facing question Which is in this case should we have a code rewrite to allow this particular use whether it's conditional or not within the city It's not is this particular business model or this particular trailer a good idea for the city Is it one of the cleaner nicer ones absolutely but the question is do we want this added to the code to for future actors and everything else permit them conditionally or not to exercise this business practice within the city and the answer to me on that one's going to be no but i will open it up to public comments so any comments from the you know you know the routine name and address Hi frank career 701 north fig tree lane uh plantation i kind of concur with you uh mr corman um we do have locations that are drivable in fact my wife and i just a couple weekends ago went down to salvation army um the um saint vincent de paul truck comes over to saint greg's uh from time to time i know there's donations that are available uh to be dropped off um i believe at plantation methodist as well um and it's done in a discreet and uh i guess a palatable way um more sophisticated i guess if you want to call it that um i would term it apply like that so um yeah it does seem like an afterthought i didn't think of that but i think you're spot on in that description so that's my opinion any questions no no thank you uh any more comments from the public that was a joke because frank's the only one one question so i'm going to close public comments but more questions from the dais question um so my neighbor owns a restaurant in that shopping center and uh i saw him this afternoon and i was telling him we're going to the p and z meeting and he goes he goes yeah they're going to talk about that trailer so you're taking up five spots and when your truck comes in to dump it takes up a couple more when people are there in their double park to drop off stuff you're taking off spots for his clientele and i'm just telling you this is what he said so it's not just starbucks they're at the other end they're not close to where you are and also i do the same thing as mr career says i load up my trunk i have one or two bags and i go to the salvation army on brower boulevard and drop it off i don't have a problem with that it's a good charity and that's it but vandam vets that they don't want you to drop it off and other places goodwill always lets you drop it off so my feeling is maybe you're better off having a drop-off point that is not a trailer in a shopping center in a suburb-like plantation so another question for staff um so i see like in the broad mall like they have those the trucks that people like work out at i forget what they're called but i and then i see them just parked overnight in parking spots and so is the distinction that it can operate is that it's it's a truck and it can be moved and it's not a permanent trailer or are they operating without a license to my knowledge they're operating without a license okay yeah because i just i see other things like this right so i i was just wondering how that they're how they're operating legally you know i'm sort of torn about this because i think that for a lot of ways it does make a lot of sense i'd like the business model i like the sustainability aspect i think it's nice that they're donating to charity even though it is a for-profit business i also i like i you know it probably helps out some of these shopping centers that are struggling by giving them additional income um but i do understand the aesthetic argument as well so uh i'm you know i think that i would i would be open to staffs uh to staff's proposal and doing it in places that aren't uh you know maybe that are in places where they it's not so sight unsightly and it can't be seen from major thoroughways but uh yeah i i'm just kind of undecided as of yet where i land on this one i was just going to say if the main purpose of this the reason why i would be willing to allow a trailer would be for charity but when you come and you give us this business model and you don't know the amount that's actually going to the charity to me the charity is not your number one uh purpose with this so with that i would be a no thank you quick question for staff again the staff version of the proposal specifies that it has to be for charitable uses right yes okay it says non-profit non-profit yeah any other questions i did want to kind of generally address a couple of the comments so the first one is i do agree that it is a balance of the big question is the aesthetics versus the benefit to the city and we acknowledge that a trailer is not like it's not the most attractive arc we understand um now we take the position that a it's a sustainability aspect the charity aspect even though we absolutely right we are we are for profit that's the way the model is able to function if it was you know fully charitable they there's a lot more challenges there um so they do as much charity as they can but yes they are for profit but as far as balancing the aesthetics versus the benefit we're we're also open to we've kind of discussed a couple things either additional landscaping to kind of make the area nicer or i know the trailer is green right now but maybe we could alter the design or the uh of the panels to kind of mirror the shopping center so they blend in nicer um we're very much so open to essentially any change we can make to improve the aesthetic and we understand it will never be you know as nice as you know some excellent modern architecture but we really think there are things we can do here to work on it um let's see um in regard to like the drivability like yes it's absolutely true you can go to goodwill you can go to salvation army and drop stuff off but you tend to find that you don't get quite the same uh it's like not everyone is willing to do that and there are people that if this donation trailer was is there they're willing to drop off there but they wouldn't otherwise go to a goodwill or a uh salvation army that's further away which to me goes back to the sustainability that it doesn't solve everything but it does move in the right direction in broward county for you know promoting sustainability and uh coming up a solution to those problems to the future moving forward um i think that's it oh i guess sal if you wanted to briefly address like the goodwill of so why are they able to operate a physical location but it's more challenging for our business model do you want to address that sorry is that is that okay uh i mean does anybody up here want to hear the answer to that question and and i i i don't mean to sound that way it's just that um again the question here is whether or not the use should be approved not your model and because it's not your model the issue is one of the overarching concerns of whether or not we want donations or donation trailers here and to your point about not willing to drive you have three people up here who said they are willing to drive so so maybe not everybody but there is a good portion of people who understand what it is and lacking any kind of widespread advertising and marketing campaign about these particular purposes whether it's yours or someone else's their only choice is to go with what they know so so in a lot of ways the argument you made is somewhat false in that regard because there's evidence to the contrary that people currently do it maybe not at the numbers that you're talking about and maybe not for a business model that fits in with yours so on that one i'd say we don't actually need to hear why goodwill can do it and you can't um any other questions before i close can i just briefly address your comments so i do want to say that i i would speculate that this group would skew significantly in favor of being more involved in the community more likely to do that stuff than you would see from the general public for a lot of people if it's not convenient um they just at least so far we haven't found a way to motivate them to do that i mean we as we the county we society true but arguably the most convenient thing to do is put in a bag and throw it out which is i get not sustainable however if you're talking about convenience that's the most convenient way to do it yes and then that's why that so happens a lot right so jay question for staff uh this this code that we're talking about does it generalize the trailers or is there a specific specific size and type of the trailer in the code i literally just asked that did you yeah okay okay but i too also drop off at goodwill and also every once in a while i call up the vets damn vets they give me a big yellow bag and they come pick it up when they you know when they tell me so the code currently doesn't allow temporary storage trucks trailers or anything like that other than for the purpose of construction or pods which that single-family homes where you actually need a permit issued by the building department okay yeah all right so thank you come back does the code allow those big boxes that say donate here no the donation boxes no it doesn't so basically who's going to call on them who's going to call them out i mean i've seen them and the clothing is falling out and people that are home that are they're on the home to go there and pull the bags out yeah that's code enforcement right huh see they code enforcement well oh that's a luck um the only other question i had was who gave the temporary permit originally administration administration did they say why they did it because they're okay no i just i don't know they're they because they live on the second floor and we don't okay thank you all right uh that'll close comments do i have a motion motion to reject second all right there's a motion to deny by reject you mean not change the city's code correct to reject both the application and the city uh staff's version okay and i want to make this perfectly clear that means if you vote yes you are voting to reject i know but i want to make it clear so we have a motion and a second please call the roll sorry who's the second vicki mr stall yes miss denby burger yes mr corman yes mr freeman no mr goldstein yes mr de la grange yes miss gelfand thank you um on to other business the proposed 2045 comprehensive thank you i love you yeah you do everybody does it's a matter of public record we love you i know but i heard about it it is it is laughing with love because i know where i know what i know what i'm saying okay well good evening uh everyone uh uh i should say mr chair members of the board for the record dan holmes planning zoning and economic development director uh i'm here to basically continue uh presentation on the update of the city's uh comprehensive plan um i'm going to try to make this as uh quick and as painless as possible we're talking about what i call some of the less uh sexy aspects of the code you're talking about infrastructure tonight so uh just give you a warning that can put you to sleep very quickly so i'm going to try to get you through it uh the the best i can um so with that said uh i'm not going to go at the the last meeting i kind of went over the purpose of the the code and all that stuff uh i think uh you know you probably have retained most of that information but in terms of the uh comprehensive plan elements you'll recall the the last time we went over to future land use element transportation mobility element and housing element those are usually more the more interesting elements in the code and some of the the elements of the code that are i would say uh more widely uh used that people when they ask for a copy of the plan that's generally where they're going uh but tonight we're going to talk about the uh the uh sanitary sewer potable water storm water solid waste what i call the sub elements and what we've done uh within the current code uh if you look at the old uh comp plan we have the element known as the infrastructure element we've sort of pulled out the different sections of that infrastructure element and we're now calling those sort of sub elements uh we did that again in terms of reorganizing the code making it a lot easier as i talked about last time for people to get to the sections and the content or policies that they're really looking for uh within the code so it makes it a little more uh easy to kind of navigate uh the code and then we're going to talk about the conservation element and the recreation and open space element uh as as well a bit um and then uh when we meet uh next time we'll continue uh lots of elements here so i'm trying to give it to you just kind of talk about it in bite-sized pieces intergovernmental coordination capital improvements public schools neighborhood design property rights and then the resiliency and sustainability uh element so again we won't go over why it's important um why update the plan um and why how it's used daily this week talked about the reorganization i will remind you and as i kind of go through this presentation i did talk about last time one of the ways that we're reorganizing the code also is the objectives within this code are you have more thematic objectives so you can easily find some of the policies that you're looking for so the policies are kind of organized uh in in that manner so i'm going to kind of reference uh some of those uh those themes uh tonight so i just bring that up quickly and then just overall um new focus areas uh throughout the the new comprehensive plan we're generally looking at uh smart growth and that's based upon our our growth patterns uh within the city uh we don't have a lot of vacant land we're continuing to grow so uh as we look through how we're going to grow we're going to have to kind of employ some smart growth techniques and that's some of the things that we're looking at again overall tod activity centers again this plan really starts to look at sustainability sustainability and resilience uh and housing affordability another major issue equity and environmental justice and infill and redevelopment so just kind of remind you those are some of the main themes or some of the things that we've really updated uh within uh this this new plan again uh we've tried to align things with broward county and also the the state in terms of uh state statutes or any changes in policy so again last time we talked about the future land use element uh transportation mobility element and also the housing element so we're going to start tonight with sanitary sewer fun stuff so yeah so basically just to kind of go over um purpose of this sub-element again i just remind you that when you look at a lot of plans some of the plans you'll find this information within the infrastructure element but the purpose of a basic uh sanitary sewer sub-element is to ensure the safe efficient and sustainable collection treatment and disposal of wastewater um as you look at uh the the objectives and policies uh within this section they're sort of designed to guide the uh the development maintenance and expansion of the sanitary sewer system to support public health accommodate future growth protect environmental resources and to comply with uh regulatory standards so that's basically uh you know what the uh the objectives and policies are geared toward doing uh within the sanitary sewer element um key data considerations when updating the sanitary sewer element i'm not going to go through all of this so don't worry uh if you have i kind of put it here just for additional information as i kind of touch each of those points so key things that local governments do and that the city did when they started looking at updating the sanitary sewer elements is that you want to start out by looking at some of the existing system inventory and capacity issues you know looking at sewer mains lift stations uh we've been kind of doing doing that here in the city as we've continued to have uh development and growth come in you've probably heard us say as we've had some of the uh residential projects that have been proposed within midtown and in other areas of the city that why we have capacity we do have some issues that we need to address with regard to the mains themselves and to uh you know lift stations or what have you so some of the things so those are some of the things that uh you know as we move forward we're going to have to address like in number three in terms of capital improvement uh planning for the city within this current planning horizon other things we look at is current and projected demand you know what is our population growth what's going to be demand uh that's going to be put on our system uh for sanitary sewer again as more growth comes in it's going to place more demand uh on the system and of course as i said uh number one and two kind of dictate that we have to look at capital improvement planning for uh these systems um other uh data considerations is wastewater treatment and disposal you know how we're going to go about um compliance with uh certain uh mpdes permits and the florida department environmental protection regulations things of that sort um number five some of the things we looked at uh in updating this element is regulatory and environmental considerations so we have policies of course that are geared toward ensuring that we're complying with the florida department environmental protection epa groundwater standards number six we have policies geared toward looking at how we're going to maintain system performance and maintenance again this is stuff like making sure we're inspecting the system to make sure it maintains its integrity or we're replacing uh sections of the system that are beginning to age and are wearing out or what have you and then again on number seven again i said this is one of the major areas that you'll see that we are addressing within the new comprehensive plan sustainability and resilience so how are we going to make sure as we look at uh you know changes in climate or what have you uh you know maybe there are things that we're going to have to do to elevate lift stations and other things so we're beginning to sort of take a look at those issues and make sure that we incorporate policies and objectives uh within uh this element so that we are addressing those matters so those are some of the key data considerations that we looked at and that uh local governments typically look at when they're trying to update uh the sanitary sewer uh systems of the plant uh for us uh after we looked at those uh items we looked at our current uh uh policies because there are policies that remain in the plan so we're kind of building upon the success of our future plan and we're adding uh additional uh policies as well you're going to see uh within this plan again those sort of thematic objectives are kind of centered around you know wastewater service septic reduction system capacity levels of service and some of those bullet points you see there are what some of the policies within each of those sections uh will kind of contain in in terms of uh you know direction for for the city uh number three system maintenance and reliability again i talked about making sure that we're uh analyzing our system to do inspections and things of that sort prioritizing what needs to be rehabilitated and prepared uh repaired uh repaired uh number four funding and financial sustainability with make sure that we're continuing to operate the system utility departments operating as a enterprise fund that we're not dipping into uh you know our uh other funds to to maintain these systems and then uh you're going to see policies here uh and objectives within this section geared toward environmental stewardship and with regard to sanitary sewer uh and then you'll see some of the bullet points there to give you examples of some of the policies uh the direction of some of the policies that you'll see uh within that objective of the plan so that's sort of sanitary sewer overall and those are sort of the changes and things that you'll notice uh within the sanitary sewer element potable water again um the the purpose of the potable water sub-element is to ensure the safe reliable sustainable delivery of drinking water to all residents and businesses again policies within this sub-element are going to be geared toward guiding the planning development and maintenance of the water supply system to support public health to accommodate future growth meet regulatory standards and promote efficient use and conservation water resources key data considerations with regard to potable water the things that we look at uh as we started to embark upon the update of the plan and then and and these are just some general guidelines too that all cities will you know kind of take a look at these key data considerations as they add you know new policies and update the plan so that's number one water supply sources and capacity um just kind of looking at the the system overall uh where we're getting our water from what's the capacity of those we have to work very closely with the south florida water management district that uh works with utilities and we have uh certain permits that we get we have to stay within uh certain limitations in terms of the amount of water that we draw we look at demand projections again just as with sanitary sewer whenever we have growth it's going to impact potable water uh as well we look at uh infrastructure inventory and condition uh once again level service standards what is the appropriate level service standard for the city to have with regard to potable water there's nothing that was really changed uh in this plan with regard to that level service standard we're still kind of meeting and going over uh you know some of the policies with the different departments so some of the things that you see in this very early what i'll call a preliminary uh draft uh you know subject to to change it's also why we're getting input from this board and several other boards as well regulatory compliance again there are things that the city must comply with so their policies uh that we have to make sure that we're incorporating in the plan to make sure we comply with with with these policies uh financial planning and rates again ensuring that we're looking at uh rate studies and that we're charging the right rate for the potable water system conservation efficiency how we're going to make sure we're conserving the water supply so you'll see policies geared toward that and you know stuff that we analyze there and coordination and planning as i mentioned earlier the south florida water management district uh city and all cities have a 10-year water supply facilities work plan that they have to maintain compliance with and so you'll see some policies uh within this section that are geared toward uh ensuring that we are consistent with the 10-year water supply plan and then finally again resiliency and risk assessment another uh more infrastructure that we're going to have to make sure that we're analyzing the vulnerability of these systems to changes uh in in climate so so you'll see some new policies that are not in the previous plan because we're very much focusing on resiliency and risk assessment so as you go through the potable water uh sub element and you kind of work your way through there you'll see again um objectives that uh an objective dealing with health safety and service reliability and then some of the bullet points there kind of identify the policies that you'll see under that section uh service levels and capacity again identifying what that service level needs to be within the city to uh to appropriately uh require new development that's coming into the city to meet that to meet uh ensuring that we meet that standard as new development comes in no change there infrastructure investment and improvement uh again as we look at the changes we need to make to the system we've got to look at capital improvement planning uh reuse water system expansion and then number five alternative water supply and sustainability a lot of this comes out of our 10-year water supply plan and so those are some of the objectives if you look at the uh the preliminary draft that you have as you go through that uh potable water sub element those are some of the uh the objectives that you'll see in that section and then the subject matter of some of the policies storm water and drainage um again the purpose of this sub element uh is to protect the people property and the environment by managing rainwater runoff minimizing flood risk and preserving water qualities uh water quality the again the the objectives policies and stuff in this section will be used to guide um you know the design maintenance of storm water system long-term resilience regulatory compliance alignment with sustainable growth and climate adaptation goals so again you're going to see that climate adaptation so much so as uh you'll notice if you looked at the uh the last element within the plan is a resiliency and sustainability element which we did not have in the previous plan so that's that's a big subject area for us as we move forward key data considerations uh for this element are looking at existing drainage system inventory so what's our current uh system inventory in terms of the pipes and the maintenance of that we've had issues that are coming up within the city because we haven't done uh some of the things that we needed to do there's some private systems that we've met uh with some folks in midtown that we're kind of working out some issues with so we're we want to make sure we have policies in here and that we're sticking to uh those policies flooding and storm risk data so we need to go back and we want to make sure that we're looking at changes in flood rate maps and things of that sort and changes that we may need to make to our uh storm water and drainage systems based upon those changes of maps level service standards this is a a pretty big one we're noticing uh you know rain events are becoming uh much more severe uh we're actually changing uh some of the uh infrastructure that we have there's a project right now at uh pine island and uh cleary boulevard that with the development that's taking place there because of some of the issues that we're having uh with uh storm water and the more intensive uh events we're actually kind of working with that developer uh the city that developer are doing an agreement where we're uh kind of making some improvements on their site uh based upon some of the drainage that's taking place there so we're we're starting to take a look at this and uh changes are very real we may be moving away from five year 25 year uh storm events as a level service to more of a 50 year 100 year 500 year events utilizing that as a level service moving forward land use and impervious surface data so as more development takes place it certainly impacts the uh storm water uh system that the city has and so we have to carefully weigh that new development comes in we have to make sure that new development is uh has the appropriate amount of uh pervious surfaces to kind of contain their storm water as well so water quality capital improvements and maintenance looking at low impact development and green infrastructure so i want to talk about uh look at that as we uh update the plan and then climate resilience and sea level again what impact is climate change going to have on the storm water and drainage system so we want to make sure we have policies that are requiring us to look at vulnerability assessments and things of that sort to make sure we're maintaining an appropriate storm water and drainage system within the city and then finally again regulatory compliance with the appropriate agencies and coordination again with the appropriate drainage agencies south florida water management district as you know there are other districts uh within the city we have paid and uh old plantation water uh district or what have you so there are policies that are in there that deal with um coordinating uh with with those agencies so if you go to the storm water and drainage uh sub element again you're going to see objectives uh an objective dealing with infrastructure development and maintenance and then these are some of the key policies uh that you'll see uh within that section you'll see objective dealing with level service regulatory standards again we're going to have to take another look at that right now one of the regulatory standards is a 25 year storm event i've been talking with engineering those uh those standards are probably going to change uh so i have a meeting set up with that department uh uh coming in uh july and some of those things as i come back to you with the final draft you may see some modifications uh to to that uh standard water quality and environmental protection so there's a uh a uh objective uh within the uh within this sub element kind of dealing with that and you can see there under the uh the bullet points there some of the policies that you'll find within that section funding financial sustainability again making sure that uh we're charging uh the right uh you know rates doing the right study and then charging the right fee for the stormwater utility fees the city just did a major update to its stormwater utility fees something that the engineering department uh uh had to do to make sure that we're able to address some of the the improvements that we need to make to the system so those are things that we need to make sure we're doing on a regular base on a regular basis intergovernmental coordination again coordinating with the appropriate agencies and climate resilience and adaptation solid waste so solid waste uh purpose of this sub element is to ensure safe efficient and environmental responsible collection disposal and reduction of solid waste so policies uh in this section uh basically uh are designed to support the public health sustainability and growth management through policies that promote waste diversion recycling education and intergovernmental coordination so most of the objectives and policies are really geared toward um looking at recycling education intergovernmental coordination and waste diversion so key data considerations that uh we took a look at as we started the update to uh this uh sub element this is looking at existing solid waste system inventory so this this this there's a lot of coordination that has to take place with waste management because we use waste management um you know as as our uh waste hauler uh waste generation and disposal rates again something that the city uh negotiates uh with waste management looking at population and land use growth uh and most elements are going to kind of pay attention to the population and land use growth recycling and diversion performance financial and operating uh data again making sure that we're making this uh you know the the user fee structure is appropriate uh so that we don't uh uh uh uh pull uh you know fees away from or cost away from our uh other uh financial uh fiscal uh revenue sources regulatory and policy framework state and local mandates for recycling disposal anything that we have to make sure we comply with from a policy framework environmental sustainability considerations again uh and intergovernmental coordination uh with regard uh to solid waste so as you go through the this sub element you're going to see objectives related to service reliability and performance level service and facility planning so if you you go there you're going to see under this section uh in terms of the adopted level service based upon residential commercial you'll see several uh level of standards there that the city currently utilizes uh for uh solid waste planning waste production and recycling is another objective that you'll see with some of the the bullet points there representing some of the policies in that section sustainable procurement this is something new that we've sort of uh added uh trying to look at our purchasing uh policy and making sure that we're doing things that are also sustainable uh five litter and illegal dumping prevention this is something that is in the code now but we want to make sure we maintain uh that objective and the standards there bulk waste management again something that's currently in the code we're trying to maintain that standard and then construction and demolition and demolition demolition waste um so conservation so this is uh not a sub element this is uh one of the elements that you'll find the plan the purpose of the conservation element is to guide the protection and sustainable management of the city's natural resources it ensures environmental assets such as air and water quality wetlands wildlife and native habitats are preserved and considered in future planning and development decisions so this element helps maintain ecological balance reduce environmental degradation and support a healthy resilient community for current and future generations so some of the key data considerations that we look at uh updating this or natural resource uh resources inventory looking at wetlands floodplains aquifer recharge areas things of that sort environmental quality data it's the air water quality protected and sensitive lands uh within the city conservation areas environmentally sensitive areas land use development patterns e.g what the impact that that's going to be state and federal regulations uh we have to take into consideration here uh just as we did in some of the uh sub elements that we just looked at when community and stakeholder input input from local environmental groups or boards put that into consideration uh as well again key policy focus areas here so if you go to this element of the plan you're going to see objectives dealing with air quality and climate mitigation and and policies there surface water protection uh as another objective you'll see groundwater and aquifer protection soil conservation uh native vegetation and wildlife habitat preservation of natural habitats and hazardous waste and hazardous waste and brownfield uh objective there and then floodplain management and resilient development so as you kind of go through there though that's what some of the key policies are going to be geared to around those uh objectives and then recreation and open space so the purpose of the recreation open space elements to ensure that residents have access to well maintained connected and inclusive system of parks trails and open spaces supports community health environmental sustainability quality of life and climate resilience through strategic planning investment and equitable service delivery so some of the uh key data things that we look at here is of course our inventory of existing facilities the parks that we have level service standard is this level service standards does it remain sufficient population and demographic trends uh geographic distribution and access uh community needs and preferences so this is something that the uh parks department it regularly does i would say on a yearly basis in terms of uh putting out surveys and other things making sure that they're addressing some of their needs uh looking at facility conditions and maintenance uh i know they're doing a major uh sort of sort of master plan and update for our for the central park um areas because some of those uh facilities there are kind of getting a little dated um funding and financial data again it's something we look at uh how do we get monies to update this uh stuff looking at furlap and other public private partnerships environmental natural features we want to make sure that uh we're trying to maintain open space and conservation integration habitats and stuff within our parks connectivity mobility ensuring that sidewalk greenways and multi-use trails are connecting into our parks intergovernmental regional coordination with county school board and and other agencies and here the key policy focus areas are uh again level service standard for parks it's pretty much uh it's been four acres per thousand this is a well above what the county and uh that we're required also by the state um future park needs and land acquisition um so there is a uh objective uh that focuses on that facility maintenance and funding objective dealing with inclusive and equitable access objective that focuses on responsive and diverse programming again what types of programs are needed to make sure we're addressing the needs of various individuals within the community sustainability and native landscaping ensuring that our parks are places that we try to implement native and drought tolerant plantings get rid of invasive invasive species and that we're using green infrastructure like bioswills and other things climate resilience renewable energy uh objective uh you'll find in in this section partnership and intergovernmental coordination with other agencies safety and security making sure the parks are safe and that we're implementing uh things such as septep principles and then community engagement and input again something very important to the parks department they try to make sure they're going out on an annual basis and they're getting good feedback from the uh from the public in terms of what they think is is needed in terms of programming facilities you may notice that for example pickleball is something that has grown significantly actually had to go back and kind of reprogram and and add more pickleball facilities within parks just as an example of that so um that was quick and dirty as i could possibly get that so you know to fall asleep on us again implementation and next steps that we're going to be going through so we're at this board planning and zoning board we're going to do another session and we'll go over some of the remaining uh elements just to review them again if you guys at your leisure we have opportunity to talk here but if you review some of the policies any feedback that you want to shoot to us concerns that you may have with regard to policies you want to add more policies if you think there's some oversight in some of the policies we're open uh to that input we're also making our way to other boards such as affordable housing action committee sustainability board midtown board gateway boards we can get feedback from some of those boards as well plan refinement so after we kind of get feedback we will come back and we will uh do a final draft and sort of refine uh the plan once we get any impact any feedback uh and then we will move forward with formal adoption which will bring uh the final plan back to this body uh for hearing and recommendation to the city council and then the city council would again move forward uh to adopt the overall plan so those are sort of the implementation and next steps so i'm happy to answer any questions that uh you you may have wow i move to reject um um no no seriousness um i just want to say that i got a chance to dig into it since last month and just actually read most of it and uh you know i i think just want to comment staff i think it's very thoughtful and very in-depth and i appreciate the attention to detail and and walking through the board with all these sections and also doing the outreach of the other boards and i think it's great and i just want to say thanks thank you i appreciate the feedback hey dan thanks for the presentation um i did send an email last night because like josh i finally got a chance to work my way through the document and i sent probably like 30 comments in there okay uh most of them are for the stuff that we covered last time like the housing and land use sub elements but for these sub elements i do have some concerns the first one is uh from my understanding our complaint already currently does not allow necessarily new residential development to be on septic and i think that state statute also says that if a new development is within a certain distance of an existing sewer line it's not allowed to be on septic it must connect to that sewer line and it's different for different kinds of properties so i'm a little confused about how that new project that's getting built now in the acres behind the synagogue on old hiatus how is that allowed to be on septic so there was uh someone else had sent a question in uh to us that i did refer to utilities i know there were some issues uh with regard to the system and they had determined that uh based upon the the rules uh that it was allowed to stay on i'm not an expert uh in that so i'd have to refer you to the utilities director uh with regard to why they remained on septic but i know that was a concern yeah because i think that they're within like 150 feet i thought they had to build a force main or extend the force main in order to get that on the second street is the issue related to the second street it i'm trying to remember what um the utilities director and i did uh have him follow up um i i don't remember well you're correct that they did build a force main there but i'm trying to remember why they couldn't connect to that i i don't recall off the top of my maybe it's some weird property issue where they would have to go around the synagogue and the church and couldn't connect i don't know what it is but i just wanted to clear that up because you know i i want to coordinate with state statute right and and and this plan is consistent with that we the policy that if you'll see in here does uh uh promote um you know connection and and does indicate that that state that that's policy my my second concern it actually relates more to newer developments especially in midtown um so the actual section of this comp plan does there there are a lot of references to uh a capital not the capital improvements plan of the comp plan itself but like a master plan for the utilities department to have a master sewer system all that stuff um but the way that that plan is structured i'm not sure if it's set up for very efficient um sewer infrastructure so my first question is after a developer builds their sewer infrastructure their new sewer line their lift station whatever they need who owns and maintains that do they transfer to the city yes yes okay that was so so so this is this is my concern basically because i however this plan is or whatever this plan covers i'm not sure it's set up to be the most cost effective for the city in the long run and i'm just going to use an example from uh the lena apartments and the one that we just uh approved to go to city council that's north i think it's residences out whatever it is all right so lena had to build their own pipe and their own lift station and that lift station terminates at the street that's uh or it's built at the street where across the street it's the new apartment complex it's going to be built behind the big america that apartment complex the utilities part is making them build their own sewer infrastructure and their own lift station the two lift stations are going to be literally 20 feet apart they you don't need to have two lift stations there you could get one lift station to serve both properties if if they were connected properly so so my concern is that i think that we need it and i don't know if this is a comp plan thing or just something that city council has to do separately from the comp plan but we need to have some master plan for the sewer network there is yeah go ahead no i was going to say i i know there is a master plan i you know typically uh when we go through the development review committee and we started looking at the you know sewer potable water i kind of leave that to the utilities director so i'm sorry i can't fully answer that i'm not an expert in that so i don't want to give you a wrong answer in terms of why the they build i'm sure there is i'm sure there is an explanation for why but one of the things that we do realize that uh we know that we have like capacity in terms of at the plant but we know that some of the mains and stuff and some of our infrastructure as i indicated earlier as we kind of go through this this growth uh that we're going to experience within the next planning horizon through 2045 we know that even with potable water sanitary sewer that uh they're going to be you know some improvements to the system some of it and and you'll notice in the plan too that uh the development community is going to be responsible for bearing the cost associated with with their developments yeah and i'm completely on board with having it paid for by the developers but at the end of the day the maintenance is borne by the city that's correct so i want to make sure that the comp plan specifies that it's going to be cost effective that when when we get a developer in the site plan approval process whatever we need when we get the developer to build the infrastructure that serves their property it's actually cost effective for the city to maintain in the future i guess that's my main concern right most most of the time this the standards of construction make it so that the city can take over without much in the way of headaches so that like having those two lift stations right across the street from each other don't necessarily create extra headaches for the city in a lot of ways it might mitigate it because if you were to put a larger lift station in right there that could in fact cause more of a problem than having two smaller lift stations go into a force main yeah and it's good to have redundancy and everything i'm more less concerned about lift stations more concerned about literally the linear feet of pipe that we're going to have and i want them to actually use more more right exactly i understand um my last comment that i can think of right now is actually so there's a state statute i think it's i have it written down on my phone somewhere it's um 403.892 just for the record um so the state has one yeah the state statute already says that they have a bonus density program essentially where if a if a development or even a single-family home whoever if they recycle 75 to 100 of their gray water that they use on their site they get a bonus density of 25 so i'm wondering if the city can kind of lean on that statute not necessarily just for gray water but for other stuff to say hey if you recycle water on your property and you know produce less stuff that our sewer system has to take care of absolutely give me that step because i'm going to be meeting with utilities and those are some of the things i'm going to be going over uh with them but absolutely those are the types of policies that we want to make sure are in this plan but one of the things i have to talk to utilities about uh where they are with uh i i if i recall correctly i think we sort of have a gray water uh system very limited uh but i want to see what the expansion i didn't see it i just wanted to mention so what what what was the section it's 403.892 403.892 right and we can use that model not just for gray water but we can use it for storm water or whatever else also absolutely so yeah absolutely so i i did you you said you sent me comments that i sent it last night okay i don't you probably didn't have a chance to yeah i i haven't so yeah but those are the types of that's the type of feedback that we're definitely looking for so i appreciate the feedback all right thank you sorry for taking everyone's time um just for my edification and for the edification of the thousands of people who are watching this meeting right now um tens of thousands sorry tens of thousands um the may 20 meeting would the the comp plan draft is attached to that that is correct yes okay thank you any others but and but also too like i said this preliminary as we go through a final i'm going to come back and do like a final overview as right i just want to make sure that like what i looked at because i think it was 249 pages does that sound about right yeah yeah that's the that's the yeah so i want to make sure that that was the comp plan that's correct as of right now so awesome i've got nothing else anybody else nothing anything else from staff what do we got so um the next couple of meetings are scheduled for july 15th august 5th and september 9th and um danny's gonna have another about 37 workshops or so i'm kidding um we probably will need another meeting in july um and possibly august um meetings every month is that what you asking now no no i'm not asking that um however right now the july 15th meeting other than another comp plan discussion i think we only have one item but it could possibly increase so we we may just make that one meeting but we wanted to throw out there if we need a second meeting in july when would you like to do it um but for august we have potentially six items on august 5th and four of them are potential site plans like the one we did last week so that's considerably heavy so for the reason of maybe not having four site plans on the same meeting we probably would like to have two meetings in august so july maybe but august more likely to have two so we wanted to kind of get a feel for the dates um when most of you would be available i have done the 22nd did you have that july 22nd already planned or no that was just a proposed uh because i have july 15th 22nd july 15th is the regularly scheduled meeting yes and then the 22nd you told me on this um i think we had a discussion at the not the last meeting the previous meeting about potential dates but some of you weren't here some of the alternates were here some of the regular members were not here so we didn't solidify anything so we may have thrown that out but that's all up to you do you want a meeting if we need two meetings in july do you want to have them a week apart or two weeks apart and then if so what happens with august that kind of thing i just try to plan my my opinion would be 15 and 22 only because it works in my schedule but also because um it gives us a little bit of pad from where we are now until the next meetings and then august what's you said august 5th is your regularly scheduled yes it's usually the first tuesday of the month if you could space that one out that'd be great so like instead if we do two back to back let's not do two back to back in august would be my opinion but as far as the dates in august you just got to give me more advanced notice okay and then september is the ninth not the second because that's right after the day after labor day so we moved it to the ninth that was pre-planned um so you know considering those we don't want to we generally wouldn't want one of two meetings back to back a week apart like we did this month anybody have a problem with the 22nd of july all right so why don't we try for that i guess if we need a second meeting we may not at this point i mean if yeah ideally i'd be doing higher math so like 5th and 19th i suppose yeah okay so okay yeah if we if we can do it that way because presumably if you're going to have site plans does that mean you're going to actually give us four site plans on the fifth or you would separate out two and two and or we would just do the four site plans and then do whatever other business on the 19th we have four site plans that are likely we also have potential two maybe three homeowner variances we may have a code amendment and a comp plan also so there's a lot there so yes we would split the site we would we split the site plans to two different meetings oh you don't want that you don't want that um all right so yeah i guess advance notice notice on that if you can but uh anything else cool we're coming in under two five hours meeting is adjourned at seven