The meeting is about the information about renaming this reserve. And so the parameters of the meeting will be solely based on these items and that's on the agenda for that. So if there's any roads or any issues, I can talk to you after the meeting about it. But with this being a notice meeting, we'll stay within the agenda. I was glad that Councilman Carlucci brought this information to me, this request. And so I'm going to kind of turn it over to him and let him give you an oversight of what we're looking to do. And so when he brought it to me, the first thing I said is, let's get it out to the community and make sure the community is on board. We can go from there. So Councilman Carlucci. Thank you. Thank you. Y'all have a super councilman here with Councilman Gaye. He's very respectful. I was council president a long time ago and all the other council members called the recent council members that have been present. A former council president said, well, a former council president. Nobody ever talks to me like former council member Carlucci. They don't care. Poor old council member Gaye, he felt so bad for me, he started calling me former council member Carlucci. And I really don't care, except it's so obvious that I'm kind of just put off in the corner. But Mike has got a great heart. He's a good man. And y'all are very fortunate to have this representation. He fights hard for your district, I can tell you. Well, we know it. We know it firsthand. Yeah. I think the world of him. I just felt obligated to say that because it has the benefit of being the truth. And I'm not just saying it because he's a good guy. He's a good council member. So, thank you for having me. I wish we had a little bigger crowd, but maybe the world will spread a bit. With that being said real quick, I think on Thursday, tomorrow we're actually having a speaker coming tomorrow. So, every month we have a speaker coming, and it is a little bit challenging. So, the only members of the island right now are us four. And tomorrow, maybe, it depends on what we have for the speakers. If you would have a member of the island right now, if you would have a speaker coming, if you would have a member of the island right now is us four. And tomorrow, maybe, it depends on what we have for speakers. If you were to combine it, you know, if there was a way we could communicate a little more and get it on a Thursday night, like, like, just don't know, these, let me tell you this, I would not be here today if I wasn't the president. I'd be home, hanging out, watching the sunset on my back porch on the cocktail, being honest with you. But so with that being said, I know there's, I mean, she's been on board for a while. He's been out for a while. They don't want to, they don't want to go. They don't want to come out, but they will if there's something a bit more. So with you saying that you wish there was more of a, if there's another, another way to, it's okay, because this way I look at it, the ones that are here are our leaders. And you all can spread the word. And to me, this is an easy one, but, but also this is one that some of y'all may not know who I'm even talking about when I say Mark Middlebrook. Mark, his son is, is Mark Middlebrook here, and his grandson, Cole. And so I'm going to tell you a little bit about who Mark Middlebrook is and who he was. And then I'm going to ask a gentleman, he worked with Recreation, to tell you more about what we would like to ask the community to hopefully work with this ultimately. Because what I'm trying to do is honor a man who literally was responsible for helping connect and put together 50,000 acres of preservation land during the John Delaney administration of his preservation project. Do y'all remember that? The veteran Jacksonville plan and John Delaney, mayor, do y'all remember John? It's hard to believe it's been so many years ago, 23, 24, 25 years ago. And so Mayor Delaney, at the time, was on a fishing trip and with some friends, and they were out at one of the vistas off the intercoastal in Mayor Delaney's thing. This is the Tunaquan Preserve, which was actually named by Congressman Charlie Bennett once upon a time. But Charlie Bennett just outlined the area that was the preserve, but he didn't actually buy it up. But he outlined it. Charlie Bennett was a congressman for 40-some odd years. In my view, he was probably the greatest elected public servant in Jacksonville's history. And a very dear man, and I was real fortunate to have a chance to work with him just a little bit. And a lot of it was out here in the preserve. This area is really special to Jacksonville, and I'd like to see it publicized more so that we could have more people getting out here and using him. And I know that's what the recreation department is trying to get more activated for people to come out. While there are horses out here on a hike and bike, I hope sometimes there will be an area where you can do some camping and so forth. But when they started the preservation project, it was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 1999. Martin Millbrook had already made a big name for himself in journalism before the Jacksonville Journal, which was the sister of the Jacksonville Times Union. We used to have two newspapers, a morning newspaper and an afternoon newspaper sitting. But John Delaney, he knew talent when he saw it, and so he asked Mark Millbrook to come over and work for him. And he had a whole different plan for Mark, but Mark gravitated to this idea of buying an environmentally sensitive land. That would be crucial to keeping a good piece of Florida like it is, you know, that it would remain. And it would have those out here. And it would have the wildlife and beautiful business that we enjoy and for our future generations. And even some of the artifacts that are still out there. So I love this area. And we're real lucky that Mark, his son, his grandson, could be here tonight. So when Mark, he passed away. When did your dad pass away? March 1st. March 1st. He passed away. Everybody that was astounded. I mean, we knew his health was teetering, but I just wasn't expecting it. I texted him about three weeks before, you know, we were planning to get together for lunch. At some point, when he got back to Jacksonville. And at any rate, he didn't make it. So when he passed, I immediately said to myself, well, with a year and two months left, and me being a councilman who knows, you know, so much of the history of Jacksonville's government for the last 50 years, plus what I remember from my father and his time, I'm like a throwback. I know a lot of history and so forth. So I'm finding myself wanting to make sure certain people get recognized. And hi, how are you tonight? Sorry. No, no worries. I'm Matt Carlucci out in at large council. We're here. Oh, at large. Just so you know, at large, those are the people we want. Right. Because they work for us, too. I'm not going to have to say that. I didn't know that earlier. I can be here tonight. I can be in Nashville tomorrow. So at any rate, I called John Delaney, and I called some other folks, and I'm thinking, we've got to name some of the preserves somewhere after Mark Millbrook, because he put this whole 50,000 acres literally together. He helped buy it. He didn't buy the pieces that were trying to be sold to us, because there's some pieces he said, no, that's not needing to store. Of the richness of the land that we want. And he put a score card together that was second to none. I texted John and talked to him. And one of the texts, I was going to try to pull it out, but it had taken too long. And I don't want to wait on me to build and try to find it. But this is what John Delaney said, former mayor John Delaney said. He said, you know, Matt, when people talk to me about the preservation project over those 50,000 acres, they want to name the whole thing after me. They said, well, let's name it after John. Well, let's name this preserve after John. And he said, I just tell them, no, no, you've got to name it after Mark Millbrook. Don't name anything after me. He did it all. And I'll tell you all, he did everything. I mean, it brought tears to my eyes when I read that because, you know, the election official gives the credit. But so often we don't do as much as the people that work for us. Like what Bethany does for Mike and what Tori does for me. They're the ones with credit. They're the ones that are doing the work. And it just touched my heart because he was telling me what I knew. Because I worked with him. I drove around in his, he had a grand Cherokee. I bumped all around, I bumped my head. He'd take on these trails and all over the place. And we went to the Kingsley Plantation. And there's so much out here that is yet to be, to fully blossom. We want it to blossom. And that's, Mark was chairman of the Tinequan Foundation. Is that what the name of it is? Tinequan Parks Foundation. Tinequan Parks Foundation. So I called Daryl Joseph. We kept trying to figure out what to name that would make sense. And maybe what would make sense to the community. And we wanted to make sure whatever we did would make sense for the community. And so Daryl came up with an idea. And so I'm going to hand the ball off now to this gentleman. The reason I'm here is to evoke the memory that put his life into other parts of this part of town. And he knew it like a palm of his hand. And he worked hours upon hours. And his legacy will go down in the history of the city. So many people don't know who he is. And I just felt like, you know, everything he's done, we need to somehow. And think about it, we've lived out here for, I've been here for 10 or 12 years. I've been here for, I've never known his name, in those names. And, you know, Tinequan, all the preserves. And I was just talking to him earlier. And I was like, we're surrounded by preserves. And we're not getting the devops out here. I mean, you know, hopefully the last one's terrible creek. But, listen, I've been out here and I've been the president of the board for five years. I've been a member of the board for 11 years. I own new preserves. There are preserves out here, the seven creeks. I mean, we are very blessed out here, not knowing there was his father. We've never, not once have been here, never heard his name, never heard his name spoke. Nothing. And you're right. And for the newer people out here, in this generation out here, all the older is leaving. Let's call him. All the older is leaving. And there's so many new people out here that doesn't even know why we are, where we live, what we have, how special it is out here. And soon his father. And you might have known his name a little better. And it's helped a little better the last 10, 12 years. I mean, he has struggled. And the last number of years that I've been with him, you know, he has struggled. But Mark was one of the greatest human beings that I know. And you know what? One other reason he didn't see him is he didn't care about anybody knowing what he was doing. He was just doing what he loved. And so I'm going to ask, what's your first name? Brian. Brian, I'm going to ask Brian to get up and speak. And then Councilman Gaines, if you don't mind, I'd like to give Mark, his son, a chance to say a few words. And then we'll open it up. Y'all ask Brian questions as you go along. And thank you for allowing me to share my heart with you. Because that's what I brought the heart out here tonight. And I'm giving you the retail of all Mark. I'm going to let him give you the retail. Okay. I'll get all that, sir. Thank you. Yeah, I had the pleasure of working with Mark for 20 years. He really served as a mentor for me. I knew him when I used to work at State Park System in Tallahassee. And then he was over here building the program in Jacksonville. And then when I made the transition over here, he had started the Timberpon Park Foundation, which was that support organization, nonprofit. So after he was able to acquire all these lands, not just in this area, but throughout Jacksonville, there's a big green belt. If you have a look at a map, it's dotted with preserved monuments throughout Jacksonville. And he was truly the architect behind it all. That's what the common phrase that people say is quite true. He used a very strategic and diverse set of tools to acquire all these properties throughout Jacksonville. Like Councilman Hurley, you mentioned, he created a scorecard and worked with professionals in the industry to identify what are those most sensitive, at-risk properties that have the greatest public benefit and ecosystem benefit. And in areas like this where we could, you know, hobble together multiple pieces of property, I mean, it's not just one item of a preserve. Now we've got the whole Seven Creeks area that we've rebranded because we had Best Tire Point, Pumpkin Hill, Creek Preserve, State Park, Cedar Point Preserve, the National Park Service, Cedar Point. And then we're like, wow, we've got like 5,000 acres of land. They're all contiguous. So we've been working together through a partnership, which Mark also orchestrated, a partnership between the city preserve, park property, park managers, as well as the National Park Service and the State Park. So we've been working collaboratively for years because of the relationships that he built. And today we have, we rebranded the collective area out here as the Seven Creeks Recreation Area, which is state, local, and federal. And it's just a, it's just a marketing name. We didn't rename any properties. We just wanted to make a one identity to make it easier for the, for the people to find it and understand it with trails crisscrossing that you don't have to know which property you're on. You're just out there hiking, right? Having a good time out there in the woods. And that was the vision that he built for us and that we've implemented since he retired. And now we have an annual festival, I don't know if you wanted to earlier this year, but in the spring we have a Seven Creeks Fest. So we've been trying to raise awareness of what we have out here. And we work, we work hand-in-hand with Doug Hadaway, with the Fuller Land Trust, to purchase the 750 acres out here, which divided up a little bit. And then my wife Kelly's involved with, I forget who it was, with the Land Trusts, for trying to get the property at the end of the island connected over there. So, I mean, the last 10, 15 years we're a little bit involved, but still, you know. Yeah, all these contiguous lands on the islands are connected with all those lands on the other side of Pumpkin Hill Creek through the bridge that we built years ago. We have that links to the National Park Service, the Cedar Point property, and the City Preserve, which is what we're talking about today, that City Preserve, the Cedar Point Preserve. So, you can walk from just down the road all the way down to the boat ramp, cross over the creek on that big, beautiful bridge. If you've never seen it, it's worth a hike in there. And then all the way back up to Pumpkin Hill up to the top end of Best Higher Point. We've got over 15 miles of contiguous natural surface trail and beautiful assemblage of different ecosystems. So, it's amazing. This is really one project that when those pieces had come together and came together with this unified vision, Mark was like, dude, that's what I was trying to do this whole time. So, it's fitting that this would be a property where we honor his name, his legacy. And I wanted to piggyback off what you said earlier. I'm sure residents that live out here on the island were attracted to this area because it's remote. You're surrounded by wilderness. And you can thank Mark that it is still wilderness to a great extent, right? There's, of course, there's some infill that has happened, right? But it's about built out, you know, because all that land has been protected out here. That's what I was talking about. Yeah, so you may not know Mark's name, but you've been benefiting from this hard work and all these times. So, we're going to need his vote when they start to put in more housing developments this way. Matt, that's where you're going to come into play when we need you. Terrapin Creek should have never got in. But if there's anyone coming past Terrapin Creek, we're coming to you. You call me, you call me. You're going all right, we will. You're going all right. We don't kick the development out of here. We fought that Terrapin Creek pretty hard. Yeah, I know. Really hard. Yeah, I understand. It's very disappointing. And the one fighting with you side by side in the city hall, trying to fight that, was the Timocon Parks Foundation, which was another entity that Mark was able to use, which he built and actually led for a number of years. As a city staff, I can only say sometimes in the public realm, you know, when it comes to politically issues like that, you know, I know my heart is somewhere, but my voice is constrained. But when we have support organizations like that that can be the voice of the wilderness of, you know, of our mission, it's invaluable, right? So the purpose of this meeting is to recommend or suggest renaming the Cedar Point Preserve, which is a city portion of the preserve, as Middlebrook Preserve. As what? Middlebrook Preserve. Yes, sorry, you missed the whole time. I missed one. You missed the time. I can follow. Yeah, we'll catch you up later. I'm going to repeat it all. But in addition to honoring Mark and his legacy, it also helps us out and the visitors out in one major way. I mentioned the National Park Service's Cedar Point property, which is where the boat ramp is. It causes a lot of confusion. What property am I going to? Cedar Point. Which Cedar Point? So it makes a lot of sense that not only we're honoring Mark in a property that he acquired and was really one of his legacy pieces that he was able to get for us, for all of us, it solves that confusion issue by naming it something different, right? So I guess at this point I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have about property or about Mark. So is this, I'm trying to figure out where this is on the map and which section is it? So this is stock. Okay, so is this the piece you're talking about? No, the yellow piece. It's not shaded. It's the yellow outlined area. The green shaded area is the National Park Service. Okay. Right. So the majority of the property is that area on the west side of Pumpingville Creek. But there is, it is kind of weird, there is a continuation of the property north of the National Park Service property and then some westlands to the east of it. It's all part of the same, it's the same way, property designation. So there's two main entrances to this property. Is that a project on the house of Bill? It's a place at the end of my buddy's, the remains of that. That's Vistatrick Bruins, yes, it's the National Park Service property. Is it close to that? It's, so if you go to where the ruins are and then head west where there's that big bridge that crosses over the green on the street. You can keep saying that we didn't know, I mean, I'm going to, so that was, you know, you can see that the bridge is labeled on the map. So do you know, what's your guy's name from, the bridge right there. Right, right. Yeah, I was out of trouble for us, and I got a business, so this is the one that was developed. Do you know Keith Dashiell from UNF? So Dr. Dashiell's got a couple times speaking about that land that popped yesterday. The last time we were here, we went and we did the walk to the Fitzgerald. Yeah. Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick. Yeah, and so it's over close there, but it's towards the left. It is. It's on the other side. It's just west of the Pumpkin Hill Creek from that location. I got you. Yeah. I see now. Okay. Yeah, so if you were. On the island. That's a big, sharp curve. Yeah. So there's two, there's two main access points to this property. It's before you get to Pumpkin Hill Creek Road on the right there, and you see there's a trailhead next to the Anderson Family Cemetery. Yeah. So that's the entrance to, that's the main entrance to this property. And then there is the east side of the entrance is if you continue on and take the branch off, the saw pit branches off to your right, just stay to the right, but you're going down to the boat ramp. Yeah. And then there's no trailhead that's newer, only a few years old, on the right also. That's the east end of this property. Yeah. It's not the easiest piece of property to explain because it kind of wraps around. Yeah. It's better on that app than it is on this one, I couldn't figure it out on this one. Yeah. But in total, 620 acres in total. So a couple, two part question. One is when is the boat or when do you guys, so what would be the next step that you guys are going to do to get to that point? And then the other thing is what can we do as a community? Do we have time to maybe, if I knew the timeframe of when you guys need whatever, if we had any guest speakers, openings coming up on any of our Thursdays, that would be to go up. Because I'm telling you, the community needs to know this. And just these meetings like this, but on a Thursday, once a month that we normally do, we can probably get more people out here. Plus with the voices that we have now, we talk to a lot of the people out here. I would prefer that we not. I don't want to introduce any legislation until I get a green light from y'all. And that can be a month, that can be a month and a half until y'all feel like you've had enough time to talk to everybody. And then if everybody is in agreement, then let me know and I'll feel moving ahead. We have a board meeting once a month as well. So, you know, there's nine people on the board. So, you know, they're obviously whatever. We can put the word out. I can bring it up at the meeting tomorrow night, on Thursday night. I can bring it up, you know, how many other people come here. Well, honestly, I don't see anybody that's going to oppose it. Yes, correct. I really don't. We have one. We have one. We have one. We have one. We have one. We have one. Yeah, we all know that. I don't think we're going to have one. Yeah. I think we get, I think we get. We don't have a conversation. We definitely care. We don't even care. We don't even care. Well, you know what? Here's the thing. I just don't want anybody to feel, and I know the Middlebrook family wouldn't want anybody to feel rushed. We have no time to do that. And that wasn't Martin Littlebrook style anymore. Martin was a people's person, you know. If there's anything that we can do to keep his legacy alive and his name alive, that taught us the life of what we live here. There was, like she just said, that we all said, you know, the islanders. I don't think, you know, Alan's been here in his family for years since 72. Him and his family have 119 acres on the island, so they can have a lot more history out there than most of us. And of course, I want to make sure that Councilman Gay is comfortable with all of this. So once Councilman is comfortable and the community is comfortable with it, then, you know, then we'll take the next step. And I think once we do that, I think that there is a process that takes place where he has to, his name has to be reviewed through certain event. That's the word. Thank you. And I would be a good one if he did his opinion on what he saw. I think he didn't hear most of it before. Well, would it be better to interact with Mark? I'm sorry, Cheryl. I've interacted with Mark before. I think he seemed to me to be a genuine person. And he was always focused on the tobacco preserve, which is us, and he was very passionate about that. I think he even got some money out of me for his organization. So I don't see any issues. Yeah, I don't think the Islanders, from what, just a little bit here, looking at all these people. He was very instrumental in helping us against that proposal that we lost all on both, too. For those times, I don't see your point. He was very instrumental in trying to help us, which was a very good move on this. Yeah, Allen was a big part of that fight. Okay. A huge part of that fight. That's a good fight. That we lost. So would it be better if we try and like petition for signatures or something? I mean, what do you guys need? I think just the consensus, and I don't mind coming back on a Thursday night and going through the same. Real quick, Scott. So June 12th is our next, well, we have a meeting tomorrow, but the next one we have is going to be June 12th for our association meeting. So we have a guy, Larry, figure, that's coming out from the forestry for us. Yeah. Yeah. So why don't we try and maybe plan to have you come out that same night, because he's coming for the forestry. Yeah. I can just briefly go through it and then get out of his way. And when I get up there to speak, would I kind of just get the front of it all and kind of speak? But please share, you know, so everybody would kind of have an insight of what's taking place here. Did we bring the resolution? Yeah. I figured out the resolution. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's a good biography. That's a good... Yeah, I can scan this in too, and we can email it out for the residents. Yeah. Like I said, it's a little effect on getting them out of their houses to come and stuff. Yeah. I mean, listen, if you had the DOT and people from Tallahassee talking about the roads, the place would be standing room only. And you know, all we really care about out here is the roads, the ditches, and we don't really care about much out here. I mean, but knowing that, no. I was also going to say it's being recorded and this will come out so we can share that as well so that the community can read them on it unless they choose. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a beautiful article that Mark Woods wrote in the Times Union that you can find online. It talks about Martin's legacy, so that's another article you can send around to your peers. He's going to be riding, I think, in the next week or two. Probably. Yeah. And so he was at the service that was the 8th, was it? Yeah. Just past Friday. Yeah. Mark, would you like to share a few things about your father? We're not together. We're not together. I wasn't sure of the reception of this idea here, this crowd. I guess I don't have to do much convincing. You know, I think you don't have to live in northeast Florida for very long to see sort of like the impacts of the development to these communities around here. And I think, as I was driving in here today, you can literally see sort of like the mark on the sand where development stopped and the old community remains. And I think that's in large part due to the work my father did, the leadership of John Blaney and, you know, the support of council members over the years. You know, my dad and I often lamented sort of like losing gold for him, right? Sort of like the heritage and the culture that these communities have because once they're gone, they're gone. They're gone forever. They're gone forever. And so, he believed in that very passionately. And so, not surprised anybody here doesn't really know his name because he was pretty humble and quite understated and never asked much hard for the name after. I think, you know, these, one thing I'll say, you know, after he left his work at the city, he continued in the field and he worked hard to see to not just continue to add to what he had built but save, right? Because there's always some interest, some new development that they want to go ahead and undo some of that. You know, these things take continual effort and attention to keep, right? Because, you know, if you're not paying attention, you're not remembering why it was saved and set aside and protected, you know, future generations won't understand that and let it go. So, you know, I think, you know, naming the park after him help remind the community of the legacy and keep that sort of spirit alive so that we differ. Not just you all but, you know, future generations sort of. So, just real quick from the outside, once I saw Mark Meadowberg coming, the young one, and they preserved, like, I don't know. It's more personal to see someone like Matt up here, seeing you up here talking. Like, now it reaches us a little bit more deeper than just something on it. An email that comes through that says, we don't know Mark Meadowberg. I don't. Alan's already heard of him. I've never heard of him. So, that's why it's nice to come out here. And with that being said, you've got, what, six, seven, six of the people in the community right now that all said yes, which is, you know, pretty hard to do out here and everyone agree on something. But I'm telling you, I don't think that you would have any problem with the Islanders. And I'm speaking for myself, from the six of here, that now knowing the history, knowing that your father's gone out here. I mean, I can't imagine anybody would come to me and say, Scott, I think it's ridiculous. Yeah. Without someone fighting. Me neither. Yeah. Anyways, sorry, that's what I wanted to say. If you really want to see old Florida before you leave the Island, you need to drive down part of the road. That's old Florida. Right there. With all the oaks and the moss. Take a look. Yeah, take a look. Don't go right. Mike, that's not bad. The line in front. Yeah, that's right. John DeLand, when we were talking about this, he said, the preservation project, his scoring methodology was fantastic and helpless, prioritized what land was best to pursue and which to walk away from. He did, in capital letters, all the work managing the conservancy and the trust, working with the water management district and the state agencies, negotiating with the landowners, the funders. The city, of course, has set aside a good pot of money, including in the better Jacksville plan. I mean, he did it all. Several people approached me about putting my name on a park or something, and I always said no. I would not even allow my name on a city construction sign that often lists the mayor and the council members. But the city's park system should be manned after mark. No one did more. No one. That's a hell of a statement. No, thank you very much. It felt good driving it. Yeah. Yeah. He was a type of spirit for all of you and believe what you believe. Okay. Thank you, Mark. Thanks for being here. All right. And thank, uh, your son, uh, uh, uh, Cole. Cole. That should be an easy thing. All right. We appreciate everyone coming out tonight. We'll get dialed in on the June 12th meeting and, uh, get as much of this information out. I appreciate Brian being here and Councilman Carlucci, Bethany, everybody, and the son being here to share about where we came from, why we, why we have what we have here, why we're so protective of our area out here. Don't tell me I don't hear something. So, so once the, once you have like the go ahead or, you know, whatever to get this going, I mean, how long the process is? So, once it, once it's vetted through the, vetted through the, I guess, weeks in there. So, once it's all vetted, then it'll go through the regular Council cycle. So, it'll go through the committees. So, that's more about a decision. Maybe, maybe about an eight-week period. And what, what I want to talk to Councilman Gay about, but we have to be careful. We didn't make the most out of our notice of meetings, you know. But what, what I'd like to do, if we could, is, is there a place where we could like put a sign up, a location where we have Middlebrook Reserve, or? We have existing signs that we would refresh with the, you know. Or where is, is there any other scene by the roadside or anything like that? Yes. Okay. I, I thought it might be nice to have a little, you know, signing. Yeah, absolutely. Or a place where we put the sign up and have a little, you know, gathering. Yeah, we have an unveiling of the new sign. Yeah, and, and maybe not, you know, July, August, but we'll apply time of year. October, November. But, but maybe have it in November, where we can all come out and enjoy and get to go each other, you know, a little bit. And, and maybe the Middlebrook family could be here. Uh, what's your thoughts on that? Do you think it would be difficult to get through? I don't know the whole talk. I don't, I don't like to speak to other camera members, but I do not feel that we, we would make any decision. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, cause it's basically, it's Black Hammock community out here. This, Pumpkin Hills, all, are all aboard with it. Thank you. Uh, you know, they're not going on. And Matt, I'm just saying, thanks for coming out and speaking to us. Yes, sir. Just rushing through it. I mean, it means a lot to us to know, cause we wouldn't know, and we've known this history. So the thing that you guys thought of us to come out and to, to, to get our blessing, for a second, I mean, that's, that means a lot to us too, as well as I was just passing that through. Thank you for letting us come. And I think it's important for the, uh, the leadership of this community to be absent one. And number two, uh, for us to have the opportunity to share with you about Mark. Cause now you know a little bit about how this has all come together. And, uh, and so once we get the word, whenever that is, then we'll put the wheels in motion. And then, uh, I think it would be really, uh, a pretty cool thing. If we have a, uh, Parks will help us do this and we'll have a little, uh, time. Would, would this ever be put like on the meeting agenda? Yes. Or maybe even some of the Islanders could come and speak? Yes. It would be able to come to the meetings or you could come to the council meeting and speak at support. And if y'all came and spoke to the support, I'll tell you what I think it would do. This is what I think it would, it would reinforce. Right. Right. I'm not going to tell you it would, it would cement every zone that you want to fight. Right. Right. But I think what it would do, uh, is it would reinforce the idea that the North side and what y'all come out and fight for oftentimes is actually a very special area. Because this council, um, doesn't like so many councils, we don't remember what happened a long time ago. I'm a throwback. I, cause I've been around a long time and my 20 years has been a long period of time. But most councils don't, don't know because they're younger. They're not sudden years old like I am. And they'll remember, you know, and so this is institutional knowledge going forward. And if y'all were to come, um, you know, I think that you would be bringing that respect of institutional knowledge and, and the idea of what happened this year. Uh, I would love to have, uh, Mayor Delaney. Just don't put us at the end of the document or whatever. We can gather some people though. We can have some people come. Yeah. Maybe with the new council president, I might have luck getting up to the front. Get a first and it's first and there. I've got him in the doghouse right now. Just tell him that's what Mark Miller would want. And that's the speed of life first. Not at the end of the night. Yeah. It would be, I think, if we all come down and show support for this. Yeah. It's an opportunity. That basically shows a community unified. Yes, it does. So, all the, all things. Well, like I said, we're all working for what we fought for not to happen. You know. You're not just fighting for some, some vacant land out there. No. This is bigger than that. The preservation pro, uh, the preservation project, uh, I'm not sure I want to see it's bigger than life, but it's bigger than life in many ways because it will be there longer than my life and longer than y'all's life. It's going to be here for a long, long time because it's special. It was bought based on a special set of scorecard, um, criteria. It was also bought with state funds and other funds with grants that tie it up where it can't be undone. So that's, that's the beauty of what his, his architecture. He made it possible. So like future elected officials couldn't undo it. He was very strategic and having purchases in my eyes. Yeah. There'll always be future elected officials that'll want to sell that land off and develop. Trust me. That's, that's what we'll have to keep our eyes on. Yeah. Try to tell him about that grace. Yeah. I'm going to, I got to head this young man home. He's newly married, so he's gone to his wife. So, find my brother. But thank y'all for having me out. And, uh, councilman, thank you very much. I'll bring it up last, tomorrow night when I speak, I'll, I'll bring it up. Yeah. That's kind of briefly talk about it. Thank you everyone. Exactly.