Trial begins for Pammy Maye, woman accused in 5-year-old boy's death

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[00:01:36] Speaker 2: Good morning. using your computer for opening or whoever's going to do open. Okay. Come on through quickly. Morning. How are you, Murphy? It's okay. We're going to go on the record in state versus Pammy May 24 CR 107.3. It's Monday morning 9:15. We're going to begin our trials shortly. I believe there's a couple of minor preliminary matters. First of all, let the record reflect all councils present. Ms. May is present. She's dressed in civilian clothing and no shackles and no handcuffs. Counsel, you want to enter your appearances for me, please. Ann Meyer and Catherine Wolfe on behalf [00:02:54] Speaker 4: of the state of Ohio. Your Honor, Sam Shumansky on behalf of the accused, Ms. May, who is seated to my left. Thank you. Preliminary matter. Thank you, Your Honor. The indictment as it currently is written reflects count one aggravated murder with two alternative theories, those being prior calculation design and/or death of a child under the age of 13. The state would move at this time to strike the surplusage of the prior calculation and design language and proceed simply on the child under [00:03:25] Speaker 2: the age of 13 theory. Thank you. Any objection? No, sir. All right. So the prior calculation design will be out. We won't have that in the jury instructions and we'll proceed on the under age of 13. Anything else before we get started? Not from the state, Your Honor. Your Honor, [00:03:43] Speaker 5: I think we're good. Just a separation, which I know the government will make sure happens. All right. [00:03:48] Speaker 2: So there is an order of separation of witnesses. I expect counsel to police their own witnesses, let them know not to discuss their testimony, and that's it. One thing as to that, Judge, [00:03:59] Speaker 4: our first witness is a family member of the deceased. I just want to see if there's going to be any objection to her remaining in the courtroom after her testimony. Any objection, Mr. Shumansky? [00:04:09] Speaker 2: No, sir. All right. She'll be allowed to remain. Thank you. Not to discuss her testimony, though. All right. We'll line our jury up. Thank you. When jury comes in and out, we stand up for our jury. I'm going to give them some preliminary instructions and then I'm going to we're going to let them know they won't be photographed. [00:04:31] Speaker ?: we're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. We're going to let them know they won't be photographed. 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We'll let them know they won't be photographed. [00:09:04] Speaker 2: So a couple of things we're going to get started shortly. You'll notice that we have a camera in the courtroom. It is recording, however, in order to and will not photograph you. So there'll be no photographs of the jury, no recording of the jury. Just wanted to reassure you that our courtrooms are open and we allow the media to be here, obviously, because we have an open and transparent process. April's passing out notepads. Let me give you a little instruction of law on the notepads. You're permitted to take notes. They can assist you in recalling the testimony. However, you don't have to take notes because your head's buried in the notes. There's something in the courtroom of importance regarding demeanor, etc. Okay, because each of you have to weigh this case and decide it for yourself. So I do want to give you some very preliminary instructions. We've talked about most of them already during Bourdier. So the court and the jury have separate functions. Your job is to decide the disputed facts. My job is to give you the law and you have to follow the law. You can't change the law, even if you disagree with the law or have some other conception of what you think the law is. So a criminal case does begin with the filing of an indictment. The indictment merely informs Miss May that she's accused of crimes. She's already pled not guilty. So she's put into issue all the elements of the offense. The fact that indictment was filed may not be considered by you for any other purpose. She is presumed innocent unless guilt is established beyond a reasonable doubt as all to the elements of all the offenses. She must be acquitted of an offense if the state fails to produce evidence on each and every element beyond a reasonable doubt of the offense charge. Now, reasonable doubt, we've talked about this, is present when you have fully and carefully considered the case and deliberated with each other. You cannot say you're firmly convinced of the charge. However, a reasonable doubt is based on reason and common sense because all things relating to human affairs is open to some possible or imaginary doubt. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof of such a character that you'd be willing to act or rely upon it the most important of your own affairs. And you'll have these in writing at the end all. Now, what is evidence? Evidence is testimony from witnesses that get on this witness stand and testify under oath. Exhibits admitted, and there will be some of those. And any stipulations, those are just agreements between the lawyers, and I think we'll have that and it'll probably be read to you and you're to consider those as facts. It's just saves the time of calling a witness. So we've already talked about circumstantial evidence and direct evidence. I'm not going to go over that again. Now, evidence does not include four-year, opening statements, closing arguments. If there's objections, there may or may not be. If there are objections, and we have to come up to the bench, we are trying to have you not hear it. So you're allowed to chat among yourselves about anything except the case. Or, if you don't do that, I have to put on this annoying white noise and I don't want to do that. Does that make sense to everybody? Okay. So, you are the sole judges of the facts and the believability of the witnesses and the weight to give them. So the way the evidence, you have to consider their appearance on the stand, the manner of testifying, the reasonableness of the testimony, the opportunity the witness had to see, hear, or know the things that they're testifying to, frankness or lack of it, intelligence, interest, and bias, together with all other facts and circumstances and your common sense in deciding credibility. And you can assign to each witness what credibility or weight you deem as proper. You're not required to believe a witness simply because he or she is under oath. You can believe part, all, or none of the testimony of the witness. We've already talked about the defendant not testifying. I don't know if she is or isn't. If she doesn't, you cannot consider that for any purpose. We also may have an expert, I believe, coming in and testifying. So, generally, we don't allow people to express opinions, but we do experts based on their education, knowledge, and experience. And that's admitted for whatever assistance it may provide to help you to arrive at a just verdict. In determining the believability of an expert, you consider their education, experience, knowledge, familiarity with the facts, and then all the other usual tests of credibility. Anything else preliminarily from either side? Good, Your Honor. Thank you. One other thing. Remember. Anybody remember my admonition? Fancy word for order. Do not discuss anything. Don't look up anything. Pay no attention to the media. The case will have some media attention. Keep it. [00:15:06] Speaker ?: You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. You're not going to be able to do anything. [00:15:20] Speaker 7: You're not going to be able to do anything. [00:15:21] Speaker ?: You're not going to be able to do anything. [00:15:22] Speaker 7: You're going to be able to do anything. [00:15:36] Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to do anything. You're going to hear opening statements now. Prosecution gets to go first. Go ahead, if you would, with your opening. [00:16:09] Speaker 8: Thank you, Your Honor. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, good morning. Good morning. I'm Catherine Wolfe. I think during jury selection, you heard Mr. Schmansky refer to me as Keenan. That is my maiden name and what he typically on a daily basis refers to me as. So I didn't want any confusion there. I also go by Katie or Catherine. So you'll probably hear both names used throughout the trial. I'm an assistant prosecutor with the Franklin County Prosecutor's Office. As you know, Dan Meyer and I are co-counsel on this case. Now, we know that this is a heavy subject matter. That it is emotional. And it is the product of a horrible, tragic death of five-year-old Darnell Taylor. A loss of life that never should have happened. Now, you've heard from both attorneys and the judge that our job as the state is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Pammy May is guilty of the crimes that she has been accused of. And those crimes include count one of the indictment, which is aggravated murder. You'll be instructed by the judge as to the elements of all of these offenses. But I just want to kind of go over them so that you can keep them in mind as you're listening to the evidence that's presented. So, in order to find Pammy May guilty of aggravated murder, you would have to find that she purposely caused the death of Darnell Taylor when he was under the age of 13 years of age at the time the offense was committed. Now, purposely means that a person acts with specific intention to cause a certain result. Now, counts two, three, and four of the indictment are tampering with evidence. That Pammy May, knowing that an official proceeding or investigation was in progress or was about to be or likely to be instituted, altered, destroyed, concealed, or removed any record, document, or thing with purpose to impair its value or availability as evidence in such a proceeding or investigation. Specifically, as we believe the evidence will show, that Pammy May tied up Darnell Taylor's body in a black garbage bag in the middle of the night, took him to another part of town and tossed him, his body into a storm sewer. Second, that prior to disposing of his body, she switched out the license plate on the vehicle she was using, in case anyone saw her, so that the vehicle could not be traced back to her. And third, that she washed the bed sheets that Darnell had urinated on as he suffocated to death. Lastly, count five of the indictment is gross abuse of a corpse. That Pammy May treated a human corpse in a way that would outrage reasonable community sensibilities. Now, yes, our job as the state is to prove these elements, these offenses beyond a reasonable doubt. And how we do that is essentially by presenting you a story. The story involving Pammy May and five-year-old Darnell Taylor. The story of what led up to the events of his death and what followed after. And we're able to tell that story by presenting the evidence to you. Evidence includes testimony of witnesses and physical evidence that was gathered during the investigation. Now, just prior to me getting up here, the judge touched on this, but I know that during jury selection, there was some confusion. Between the discussion of the state's job to prove all the elements beyond a reasonable doubt. And the defense presenting evidence of not guilty by reason of insanity. So, regardless of whether or not, as part of her defense, Pammy May admits to these actions, to these offenses. The state still has the duty to prove each element of each offense beyond a reasonable doubt. It's only after that, if you've determined that we have proven those elements beyond a reasonable doubt. That you then will determine whether or not there was evidence presented by a preponderance of the evidence. That she, at the time, did not know, due to mental defect or illness, did not know the wrongfulness of her actions. So, as for the story, what is the story that you're going to hear? Well, the state anticipates that you will hear that on February 14th, 2024, at 3:03 AM, Jabrell May, Pammy's husband, called 911, stating that Pammy May had killed their five-year-old foster child, Darnell Taylor. And that she was fleeing from their home in a silver Jeep Cherokee. Now, over the course of this trial, you will hear evidence that proves that Pammy May, by her own admission, purposely put a plastic bag over Darnell's head as he lie in his bed and walked away, letting him suffocate to death. You'll hear that at 3:00 AM, the day prior, on February 13th of 2024, Pammy May was upset with Darnell for sneaking a granola bar and peanut butter crackers into his bed for a snack. And that she decided it was at that time she decided she was going to take his life. You'll hear through the testimony of officers and evidence of Pammy May's own statements to police that her husband left for work in the morning at 10 AM. on February 13th of 2024. And that Darnell was sent back to bed until lunchtime. Pammy May then grabbed the last plastic garbage bag that she had in the house. and went to Darnell's room. Darnell was laying in his bed with the cover over his head. It was then at 11:06 AM that Pammy May slowly pulled the cover off of Darnell's head, replacing it with the plastic bag. hoping he wouldn't notice the transition. Putting it over Darnell's head, securing it and then walking out of the room. She returned 10 minutes later finding that Darnell was deceased with urine covering the sheets. And at that time, she pulled the bag over the remainder of his body and tied it in a double knot. She then placed Darnell's body into a sleeping bag to make it easier for her to move his body and put him in a living room closet. Through testimony and evidence, you will learn that Mr. May arrived home that evening around 10 PM. And Pammy May knew he wouldn't go check on Darnell because he would assume Darnell was already asleep. And once Mr. May went to bed, Cammy May removed Darnell's body from the closet, put it in the vehicle, and then drove to the neighborhood that her parents used to live in. And you'll hear that she drove around looking for the right storm sewer and that she knew ahead of time this is where she planned to dispose of the body in this neighborhood. But she was just looking for the right location. Evidence will show that prior to doing so. Pammy May switched the license plate on the vehicle, dressed in dark clothing, disguising herself. And she moved Darnell's body to the front seat of the vehicle because she wanted this to be, in her own words, a quick transaction. And once she found the right location at Eastbrook, at the corner of Eastbrook Drive South and Marsdale Avenue here in Columbus, Ohio, she dumped his body into the storm sewer where she heard it thud as Darnell hit the bottom. You will hear, as the investigation unfolded, law enforcement hoped Darnell might still be alive, not knowing everything Cammy May had done. And Ms. May got in the vehicle and drove north towards Cleveland, stopping and later being found by Brooklyn Police Department, who then notified the Columbus police. Once Columbus police arrived and had the opportunity to interview Cammy May, she told them exactly what she had done. And where Darnell's body could be found. You will hear the testimony of the officers who performed the investigation, who interviewed Cammy May, and who found Darnell's lifeless body. In the storm sewer right where Ms. May said it would be. We anticipate that you will hear testimony of Dr. Daniel Davis, who performed a forensic psychological evaluation of Pammy May, concluding that Pammy May was not insane, as defined by the law. [00:29:00] Speaker ?: At the time of the law. [00:29:01] Speaker 8: At the time of the offense and that she knew the wrongfulness of her actions. You'll learn the findings of the autopsy that was performed by the corner. Determine that Darnell's cause of death was asphyxia by smothering with cervical net compression, concluding the manner of death to be homicide. You will see photos to support these findings as well as photos from the scene where Darnell's body was recovered. At the conclusion of this trial, the state will ask that you find Pammy May guilty of the charges against her. Your job as the jurors is the most important job in this courtroom. Our job again is as the state is to present the evidence and meet the burden that the law places upon us. Your job is to listen to that evidence carefully. Consider all of the evidence presented to you. And apply that evidence according to the instructions of law that you will receive from the court at the conclusion of this trial. At the end of these proceedings, our respective jobs are done. We'll have presented the evidence. You will have heard the evidence. And the court will have given you those instructions of law. At that point, we put our faith in you to do your job. You were confident that if you follow the roles that the law has given to each of us. You will find the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Pammy May is guilty of the crimes of which she is accused and knew the wrongfulness of her actions at the time she committed those crimes. And so, we just ask that you listen carefully, consider the evidence, listen to the witnesses, and ultimately, we ask that you listen to Jarnell's story. Thank you. Thank you, counsel. [00:31:31] Speaker 2: Mr. Shemansky. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:31:33] Speaker 5: Dan, Katie. [00:31:34] Speaker ?: Good morning, folks. Good morning. Um. Thursday, we're with that. [00:31:37] Speaker 5: We had a candid conversation. About the state. [00:31:39] Speaker ?: And without that note. [00:31:39] Speaker 5: And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms, with my client. And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms, with my client. [00:31:43] Speaker ?: Pammy May took the life of her five-year-old son. And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms. My client, Pammy May, took the life of her five-year-old son. Now, just because I say it, doesn't matter. And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms. And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms, with my client, Pammy May, took the life of her five-year-old son. Now, just because I say it, doesn't make it true, because you heard what judge said. [00:31:48] Speaker 5: And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms, with my client, Pammy May, took the life of her five-year-old son. And I'm here to reiterate, in no uncertain terms, with my client, Pammy May, took the life of her five-year-old son. Now, just because I say it, doesn't make it true. Because you heard what Judge Sarrett said. Opening statements aren't evidence. Things that come out of a lawyer's mouth are not evidence. The evidence comes from that witness stand and the needs that you've received. But you can trust me when I tell you that the evidence has been approved beyond a reasonable doubt, depending on the nature of their son's life. So everybody think about that for a second, because it's a tragedy of epic proportion. The system, our system, deals with foster children. And they do their level best to place them with parents whom they believe will nurture and care. And what we have here, unfortunately, is just the opposite. And you have to think about that as you fairly and carefully and righteously follow the law. Because the first part of this case is easy. The second part is way more difficult. Because we're talking, unfortunately, about a woman who is deeply and profoundly mentally ill. And I'm not talking about the kind of mental illness that's surmountable. It's insurmountable. And that's why we have this terrible tragedy. And what you're going to learn when the government presents evidence, the part is the following. But anyway, that don't make no difference about that store. But I was really upset with my son. And then the same day, at 11:06 in the morning when I came home, it was about 3 o'clock. It was like 3 o'clock on the 13th. Then my husband left the house at 10. Then about 11:06 that day, I already had it in my mind because it was already in my head. I take this black bag, this compressor bag. And my husband was, not my husband, but my son was kind of always submissive to me. Because he was fear and intimidated me. Because I don't take no foolishness with him. So he was in the bed, and I took the compressor bag, and I took the cover off his head. But when I was taking the cover off his head, I already had the black bag before he went to see it. I covered with his head and his body, and oh my God, that hurt. Oh my gosh. Oh Lord, can I take this off. And I covered him on the back slowly, for he was in and tight. But then I double nodded and suffocated him. So as you listen to this tragic, tragic testimony. To ask yourselves. What kind of human being takes the life of her five-year-old? Places him in a storm sewer. Ends up in Cleveland. Most certainly engages us in some acts to semi-conceal what he's doing. And tragically and unequivocally, confesses every part of the crime. And what I'm going to prove to you, way past preponderance of the evidence, is the woman who committed this unspeakable and horrible act was so consumed with mental illness. Mental illnesses we can only begin to imagine. She was most uncertain, unable, and ill-equipped to understand how wrong this act was to appreciate the wrongfulness of her act. And you're going to hear from an expert, an expert that we hired, a close man. He's going to tell you that he doesn't believe that she was legally insane. I'm going to present that testimony to you, but I'm going to ask you to consider all the evidence. And it seems counterintuitive that I'm going to bring to you an expert that says she knew that what she was doing was wrong. That's his opinion. He'll tell you how you arrived at these opinions and how it's an area that's very difficult. And I'm confident, I'm hopeful, that when you get done listening to all this evidence, you'll understand the abject tragedy of not only the loss of Darnell's life, but also the finding of a guilty on a murder charge and the only appropriate verdict is not guilty by reason of insanity. Thank you. [00:37:34] Speaker 2: Thank you. Counsel, you can call your first witness. Christy, if you want to come up here, you can. [00:37:41] Speaker ?: It's up to you. [00:37:42] Speaker 2: You can call your first witness. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:37:44] Speaker 4: The State would call Shanda McGee. May I move this, Judge? Sure. [00:37:59] Speaker 2: Christy's an intern. KP also is an intern. I don't know if I introduced. [00:38:32] Speaker 6: I'm going to raise you right here. [00:38:33] Speaker ?: Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. So, are you nervous a little bit, and upset? I can understand that. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. I'm going to raise you right here. Stop. So, are you nervous a little bit, and upset? No. I can understand that. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. [00:38:54] Speaker 2: I'm going to raise you right here. 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I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. I'm going to raise you right here. [00:39:58] Speaker 2: I'm going to raise you right here. [00:40:00] Speaker 9: Hi, my name is Shonda, S-H-A-N-D-A. Last name is Taylor McGee. [00:40:06] Speaker 2: Thank you. You can ask questions. Thank you, Judge. [00:40:10] Speaker 4: Good morning, ma'am. [00:40:11] Speaker 9: Good morning. [00:40:12] Speaker 4: Do you live here in Franklin County, Ohio? Yes. I'm just going to get right into this, ma'am, if that's okay. Were you related or familiar with a child by the name of Darnell Taylor? [00:40:31] Speaker 9: Yes. [00:40:32] Speaker 4: And how did you know Darnell Taylor? [00:40:35] Speaker 9: Darnell Taylor is my grandson. [00:40:37] Speaker 4: Okay, he's your grandson. And can you explain exactly the relationship? Were you his mother's mother, father's mother? [00:40:46] Speaker 9: I am his mother's mother. [00:40:48] Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. And what was Darnell's date of birth? [00:40:56] Speaker 9: January 18th, 2019. [00:41:02] Speaker 4: Okay. Darnell came to be in the custody of Pammy and Jabrell May. Is that correct? Yes. Can you explain to the jury how they ended up with custody of him? [00:41:18] Speaker 9: Um, the Mays were, Jabrell May and Pammy May were friends with Tawanda and Anthony Baines. And they were friends for like 20 years. So Tawanda suggested that maybe they would be a good care for him. And who's Tawanda? Tawanda is Darnell's other grandmother, which is the father's father. [00:41:41] Speaker 4: Can you explain why Jabrell wasn't in the care of his own mother and father? Say that again? Can you explain why, excuse me, why Darnell was not in the care of his own mother and father? Uh, yes. [00:41:55] Speaker 9: Um, my daughter made, my daughter LaTitia, um, she made bad decisions. And so that's why he was taken out the home. Okay. [00:42:09] Speaker 4: Thank you. Um, Ms. McGee, I'm going to ask you to take a look around the courtroom today. And let me know if you see Pammy May in the courtroom. Yes. All right. The record shall reflect. [00:42:21] Speaker ?: She identified Ms. May. [00:42:22] Speaker 5: Nothing further. Thank you. Any questions? [00:42:25] Speaker 2: All right. No questions from the defense. Okay. Thank you for coming. [00:42:29] Speaker ?: You can take your water and you're welcome to stay in the courtroom if you want. Okay. [00:42:33] Speaker 2: Nothing further. Thank you. Any questions? All right. No questions from the defense. Thank you for coming. You can take your water and you're welcome to stay in the courtroom if you want. [00:42:44] Speaker 8: Okay. You can call your next witness. Thank you, Your Honor. State would call Nicole Zachariah. [00:43:03] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:43:33] Speaker 2: I'm going to go over the rules with you. Would you like a water? Are you good? Okay. So I need you to project your voice out. Sounds like you have a little bit of a soft voice. There is a microphone there, but everybody in the courtroom does need to hear you, so try to use your outside voice. Speak slowly so the court reporter can get everything down. She is recording everything. Wait until the lawyer finishes the question so we're not cross-talking. If there's an objection, stop, and I'll direct you as to what to do, and that's basically it. So if you would turn to your left. [00:44:10] Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Nicole Zachariah. N-I-C-O-L-E-Z-A-C-H-A-R-I-A-H. [00:44:22] Speaker 2: Thank you. You can ask questions. [00:44:24] Speaker 8: Thank you, Your Honor. Good morning, Ms. Zachariah. [00:44:29] Speaker 3: Hello. [00:44:32] Speaker 8: Ms. Zachariah, do you currently live here in Franklin County? [00:44:36] Speaker 3: I do. [00:44:38] Speaker 8: And are you currently employed? [00:44:39] Speaker 3: I am. [00:44:40] Speaker 8: Where do you work at? [00:44:42] Speaker 3: I work at the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium. [00:44:44] Speaker 8: What do you do there? [00:44:45] Speaker 3: I'm a security dispatcher. [00:44:50] Speaker 8: And were you employed prior to working at the Columbus Zoo? [00:44:54] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:44:54] Speaker 8: And where was that at? [00:44:56] Speaker 3: The last employment was with the City of Columbus, a 911 dispatcher. [00:45:03] Speaker 8: And were you working as an 911 dispatcher in 2024? Yes. Specifically, were you working as an 911 dispatcher on February 14th of 2024? [00:45:16] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:45:17] Speaker 8: Do you recall taking a call in the morning hours of February 14th of 2024? [00:45:24] Speaker 3: I do. [00:45:26] Speaker 8: And have you had an opportunity to listen to that call before coming in today? [00:45:31] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:45:33] Speaker 5: Is there stipulated that it's true and accurate, Your Honor? [00:45:37] Speaker 2: All right. If there's stipulated, you want to play it? [00:45:40] Speaker 8: Yes, Your Honor. [00:45:41] Speaker 2: All right. Let's make sure we're set up here. Is it going to come from the laptop? Yes, sir. All right. Look, maybe we have it. [00:45:49] Speaker 4: Looks like it. [00:45:50] Speaker 2: All right. Hello? Hello? [00:45:57] Speaker 8: Hello? [00:45:57] Speaker 4: Judge, before we want to stop. [00:46:01] Speaker 8: Your Honor, we're proceeding in playing State's Exhibit A. [00:46:09] Speaker 2: All right. It'll be marked as State's Exhibit A. No objection. You don't object to its admission. It'll be admitted without objection. [00:46:20] Speaker 10: What is the location of your emergency? No. [00:46:22] Speaker ?: No. [00:46:23] Speaker 7: What is the location of your emergency? [00:46:24] Speaker ?: No. 9-0-5. [00:46:24] Speaker 7: 9-0-5. 9-0-5. 9-0-5. [00:46:27] Speaker ?: 9-0-5. 9-0-5. [00:46:27] Speaker 7: 9-0-5. 9-0-5. What's going on? My wife just told me. My wife just told me. [00:46:32] Speaker ?: My wife just told me. My wife just told me. [00:46:34] Speaker 7: Oh, okay. Your wife just told you what? Oh, okay. She just told me she killed our foster child. She just told me she killed our foster child. [00:46:43] Speaker 10: Okay. [00:46:44] Speaker 7: She just told me she killed our foster child. And I just. Where is your foster child? Where is your foster child? I don't know. I just checked out there in his bedroom. He is not here. Okay. [00:46:58] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:46:59] Speaker 10: What's his name? [00:47:00] Speaker 7: His name is Darnell Taylor. She's running out of the house now. [00:47:09] Speaker 10: How old is Darnell? [00:47:11] Speaker 7: She's five. [00:47:13] Speaker 10: And is she white, black, or Hispanic? [00:47:18] Speaker 7: She's black. She's taking my car and she's running out of the house now. [00:47:25] Speaker 10: Okay. What's your wife's name? [00:47:27] Speaker 7: Her name is Tammy May, P-A-M-M-Y. And she's getting in my car. What kind of vehicle is it? It's, uh, um, Gray, uh, Jeep Cherokee. The license plate is Jig, J-I-G-G-V. [00:47:48] Speaker 10: With, um, I'm sorry, J-I-G-G what? [00:47:51] Speaker 7: She's speeding out of the driveway now. He's not in the driveway now. [00:47:57] Speaker ?: Okay. What happened was I... [00:47:59] Speaker 7: Okay. What happened was I... [00:48:01] Speaker 10: Okay. Hold on, sir. What's that tag again? [00:48:04] Speaker 7: What's that tag again? J-I-G-G-V. G-G-V. Okay. [00:48:08] Speaker 1: Okay. [00:48:09] Speaker 7: And two eyes that looked for the normal room room room room room room room room room room room room. She headed towards Lockbourne and Reed now. Did she tell you how she did it or anything details? [00:48:17] Speaker ?: No. [00:48:18] Speaker 10: She just woke me up and said she's not here no more. I said, "What would you do? What did you do to him?" [00:48:22] Speaker 7: She said, "He's not alive." And then when I tried to grab the phone to call you she started fighting me because I got up to check his room because I didn't get off work till 10:30 and I didn't see him tonight. I came straight home, took a shower and went to bed. I didn't even check in on him because I usually don't when I get home because I want him to sleep and now she's saying she just woke me up and just said, "He's not alive." [00:48:35] Speaker ?: She said, "He's not alive." She said, "He's not alive." She said, "He's not alive." [00:48:38] Speaker 7: And then when I tried to grab the phone to call you she started fighting me because I got up to check his room because I didn't get off work till 10:30 and I didn't see him tonight. I came straight home, took a shower, and went to bed. I didn't even check in on him because I usually don't when I get home because I want him to sleep. She looked and just told me I got something serious to tell you and I still wouldn't. And that's what she told me. She's not here anymore. [00:49:04] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:49:05] Speaker 10: Is it Darnell Taylor? [00:49:08] Speaker 7: Yes, Darnell Taylor. [00:49:10] Speaker 10: And that's a female or a male? I'm sorry. [00:49:13] Speaker 7: It's a little boy. It's a male. Okay. [00:49:17] Speaker 10: Yes. Is there any other children in the home? [00:49:20] Speaker ?: No. [00:49:21] Speaker 10: What's your name, sir? [00:49:26] Speaker 7: My name is Jabrell May. She won't talk about something. She got a plan. I'm not going to jail for her. [00:49:37] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:49:38] Speaker 10: And she didn't tell you anything about this plan? No. [00:49:42] Speaker 7: She just said, "I got a plan." And that's when I called you and I told her I'm not going to jail for her. Okay. [00:49:49] Speaker 10: When was the last time you've seen Darnell? [00:49:54] Speaker 7: When I left to go to work this morning at 10:00 a.m. I left at 10:00 a.m. I left at 10:00 a.m. And I did not get home until 10:30. [00:50:04] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:50:05] Speaker 2: Let's stop the playing just for a minute. Let's make sure we pay attention. Everyone in the jury seems like somebody might be nodding off and I'm not going to point them out, but we have to pay attention. We'll take a stand up break in a little bit. All right. You may resume. [00:50:23] Speaker 10: Does your wife have any diagnosed illnesses or anything that -- or anything like that that you know of? [00:50:32] Speaker 7: She does have depression and bipolar disorder, but she has been taking medicine for it. She's been fine. She's been around plenty of children. [00:50:43] Speaker 10: So this is completely out of character for her? Very much so. [00:50:48] Speaker 2: Very much so. Can you turn it up a little bit? [00:50:51] Speaker 4: It's as high as it'll go, Judge. All right. [00:50:53] Speaker 7: I mean, we've had them since -- we've had them since the May of last year. And so, like I said, this is totally out of character for her. We have -- we were granted legal -- we were granted permanent legal custody in September of last year. Okay. [00:51:24] Speaker ?: Does that -- she have a cell phone number? They go to police. They go to police. [00:51:31] Speaker 10: They're just now pulling up. I understand. [00:51:33] Speaker 7: I want you to talk to them, but go ahead and give me her -- her cell phone number. [00:51:36] Speaker 10: Her cell phone number is 614-707-9650. Okay. All right. Go ahead and speak with the officers. Thank you. [00:51:41] Speaker 7: She didn't tell me. She just woke me up. Okay. Yeah, you can -- she woke me up? Yeah, there's chickens over there. They have roosters and everything. We're going to check the house. [00:51:48] Speaker ?: Yeah, I haven't checked my house at all. [00:51:48] Speaker 7: She's fine. I can see. [00:51:50] Speaker 1: I can see. [00:51:51] Speaker 7: I can see. All right. I can see. I can see. I can see. I can see. I can see. Okay. All right. Go ahead and speak with the officers. Thank you. She didn't tell me. She just woke me up. Okay. [00:52:05] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:52:06] Speaker 7: Yeah, you can -- she woke me up. Yeah, there's chickens over there. They have roosters and everything. We're going to check the house. Yeah, I haven't checked my house at all. She's fine. [00:52:13] Speaker ?: Okay. Okay. She's fine. She's fine. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. She's fine. I'm going to check the house. [00:52:22] Speaker 7: I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. [00:52:25] Speaker ?: I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. [00:52:34] Speaker 7: I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. I'm going to check the house. That's what the closet is. Stay out here. Okay. [00:52:44] Speaker ?: I have no. [00:52:45] Speaker 5: I work from 10 to 10:30. [00:52:48] Speaker 7: When I left that 10 o'clock, she would, she would, she was fine. Matter of fact, I even called her. She had been on her a couple of times during the day. When you go back to deliberate and it is somewhat difficult to hear, but we've done everything [00:53:09] Speaker 2: that we can on this end to make sure the volume's up. [00:53:20] Speaker 8: And that is a true and accurate record of the call that you took that morning. Yes. [00:53:25] Speaker ?: All right. [00:53:27] Speaker 8: Thank you. I have no further questions, your honor. [00:53:30] Speaker 2: Any questions? Yes. [00:53:32] Speaker 5: Ms. Zachariah. Good morning. Good morning. Hear me. Okay. Yes. For everybody's benefit. And I know you've listened to this before, but I'm going to ask you some questions about the last page and a half where this gets really faint. Okay. And just correct me if, if, if anything sounds like a misstatement. All right. Okay. At 424, the speaker one says very much. So very much. So we've had him since may of last year. And so, like I said, this is totally out of character for her. We were granted permanent legal custody in September of last year. Sound right? Yeah. [00:54:06] Speaker 3: I recall that. [00:54:07] Speaker 5: Speaker two, does she have a cell phone number? That would be you, right? Yes. Doing your job as you should. Correct. [00:54:12] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:54:13] Speaker 5: We go to police. They're just now pulling up. Speaker two, I understand. I want you to talk to me, but go ahead and give me your cell phone number. Speaker one, her cell phone number is 614-707-9650. Sound correct? Yes. Speaker two, all right, go ahead and speak with the officers. Speaker one, she didn't tell me. Okay. Yeah. There's chickens over there. They have roosters and everything. We're going to check your house. Yeah. I haven't checked my house at all. He's fine. That's where the closet is. Stay out here with. I have no idea. I worked from 1:00 to 10:30. When I left at 10:00, she was there. She was fine. Matter of fact, I even called and checked in on him a couple times during the day. I come home at 10:30. I know he's sleep. I didn't even go in his room and check on him. I take a shower. I go straight in. She wakes me up. She wakes me up about 15 minutes ago and said, quote, "I can't wait." I got something serious to tell you, end quote. I said, "What?" She said, "Shut your phone off. Shut your phone off." So I shut the phone off and I said, "What happened?" She said, "Darnell's not here anymore." I said, "Well, what do you mean?" Ma'am, does that sound familiar? [00:55:23] Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest, not completely, because when I hear the callers with the officer, we leave the line open, so I wasn't completely paying attention to the conversation. Okay. [00:55:30] Speaker 5: Okay. You don't doubt that we've collectively listened to this and transcribed it, right? [00:55:36] Speaker 3: No, I believe in that. [00:55:38] Speaker 5: Okay. And then lastly, ma'am, he finishes, "Where do you go? Who is he with?" She was like, "He's not alive anymore." Starting to refresh your memory a bit? [00:55:48] Speaker 3: No, like I said, after the officer, we just leave the line open and I let the officers talk to you. [00:55:52] Speaker 5: Okay. So if the transcript reflected, so then I grabbed my phone and I started to call y'all. I grabbed my phone and I started to call y'all. She started fighting me, grabbing me in my mouth, and I was trying to let me talk to the 911 operator. She grabbed my keys with me and right there on the side door. She grabbed my car and cleared back the driveway and head down towards, I have no idea. Yeah, she's from here. Her brother lived at 1999 Little Water. Sound about like the end of the call in terms of duration. [00:56:20] Speaker 3: Yeah. All right. That's all I have, Judge. I can't recall exactly the words, though, but... [00:56:24] Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Ms. Eckler? [00:56:25] Speaker 3: I can't recall the words spoken because I just let the line take it after the officers [00:56:30] Speaker 2: get there. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have, Your Honor. All right. So, folks, you'll have the recording. You're not going to have a transcript, to my knowledge, unless, you know, something changes. All right. Anything else? [00:56:41] Speaker 8: No, Your Honor. [00:56:42] Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for your testimony. You're excused. Thank you. Let's take a stand-up break for a second, just stretch for a moment. We're going to continue on for about a half hour. All right. [00:56:52] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:56:52] Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:56:59] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:57:31] Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:57:34] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go over the rules quickly with you. Would you like a water? We've got water. If you want. All right. You've probably testified before, but here's the rules for the courtroom. Please project your voice out. Answer everything verbally. Our court reporter sitting right in front of you. [00:58:12] Speaker 2: She is recording everything. Wait until the lawyer finishes the questions. We're not cross talking. makes a harder for her to do her job. And then if there's an objection, stop and I'll direct you as to what to do. Okay. So, we're going to go over the rules quickly with you. Would you like a water? We've got water if you want. All right. You've probably testified before, but here's the rules for the courtroom. Please project your voice out. Answer everything verbally. Our court reporter sitting right in front of you. She is recording everything. Wait until the lawyer finishes the questions. We're not cross talking makes a harder for her to do her job. And then if there's an objection, stop and I'll direct you as to what to do. [00:58:49] Speaker 4: And that's pretty much it. All right. So if you turn to your left, introduce yourself to the jury and spell your name. Officer Joe Chesar with the Brooklyn, Ohio Police Department. First name is Joseph. J O S E P H. Last name Chesar C H E S S A R. Thank you. Ask questions. Thank you, Your Honor. Officer Chesar, as you just stated, you are a police officer in Brooklyn, Ohio. Yes. And can you tell us where is Brooklyn, Ohio for those who may not be familiar? [00:59:18] Speaker 11: It is a little west, a little south, a little east of Cleveland. I'm sorry, west and east. Hang on. It Cleveland borders Brooklyn on three sides. Okay. Um, what are your duties and responsibilities as a Brooklyn police officer? I am a patrolman. I'm a field training officer. I am on a regional SWAT team and a range instructor. Okay. Um, can you talk to us a little bit about, um, [00:59:46] Speaker 4: um, what's like, what, what do you do as a police officer when you're on shift? Are you, uh, looking for crime? Are you responding to calls? What, what are you doing on the, on your shift? Both of those things. Um, in the times where there's not calls, [01:00:00] Speaker 11: we're looking for potential crime deterring potential crime traffic violations alike. Um, and do you respond to calls for service? Yes. Um, what sort of calls would you respond to? Um, Um, pretty much anything, anything the public calls for, um, from thefts to people hear noises outside of their house at night. Um, so we go check and make sure everything's okay for them. Um, traffic complaints. [01:00:30] Speaker 4: Um, from a, from a to Z. Fair enough. Um, were you, uh, so employed in February of 2024? Yes. Okay. Now taking it back to February of 2024, about February 15th of 2024 to be exact. Um, had you at that point come to be aware that there was a possible suspect and or missing person potentially in your jurisdiction? Yes. And how did you come about that information? [01:01:01] Speaker 11: So at the time I was working our night shift, which is 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM. Um, the first thing we do at 7:00 PM is get a briefing from the shift before. Then our Sergeant talks to us about this is what the shift had the last couple days of work. This is what might trickle into our shift. Um, so we got notified that there was an Amber Amber alert the day prior on the 14th of February early in the morning. for a missing child out of Columbus. [01:01:35] Speaker 4: And for anyone on the jury who may not be familiar, can you describe what an Amber alert is? [01:01:39] Speaker 11: An Amber alert is a emergency notification to law enforcement and public, um, in the event that a child is missing, um, and is endangered. [01:01:51] Speaker 4: Okay. And so when you first came on shift that day, you were informed by, I think you said you were Sergeant that this individual might be in the in Brooklyn somewhere. Yes. Are you aware of what made anyone think that there was someone in Brooklyn? [01:02:07] Speaker 11: Uh, yes. So we have, um, what's called flock cameras, their license plate reader cameras, and, um, the, the vehicle in question, um, hit one of the cameras in our city. Okay. [01:02:21] Speaker 4: Okay. Did you respond to a call regarding that missing missing person the night of February 15th? Yes. And, uh, who called and where did you respond? [01:02:34] Speaker 11: Um, I responded to San Veo envelope. It's a 24 hour business in the city. They make tons of, uh, envelopes, paper products, cards. Um, and we got a call there for a welfare check for a female. [01:02:51] Speaker 4: Okay. And do you remember who it was who called? [01:02:56] Speaker 11: It was one of the operations managers. I think his name was Brian. Okay. Thank you. Um, when you're on duty, are you typically wearing body worn camera? [01:03:04] Speaker 6: Yes. And were you wearing body worn camera when you responded to that call? Yes. Okay. Have you had a chance to review your body worn camera before you came in court today? Yes. [01:03:17] Speaker 2: We'll stipulate it as true and accurate, Your Honor. All right. And, uh, is it marked as an exhibit? Yes, Your Honor. This will be States Exhibit B. And no objection to... It'll be admitted without objection. [01:03:28] Speaker 11: Good. This is Brian. I'm a supervisor here tonight. So she just randomly came in? Yes. Okay. Just said she needed help? Yes. She just said I want to call my husband. That's all I can get out of it. Okay. [01:03:41] Speaker ?: She was on the phone with this guy. Okay. Okay. Ma'am. [01:03:54] Speaker 12: Yes, I am okay. I need to go for this. Ma'am, are you on the phone with dispatch? Huh? Are you on the phone with our dispatcher? 6-8 to 52. You can hang up. We're here now. I need to go to my ass. It's her. [01:04:25] Speaker 4: Okay. Can you stand up, ma'am? Pause here at 59 seconds in. Officer, did you hear someone say just now it's her? Yes, that was me. That was you? Correct. How did you know that it was her? [01:04:37] Speaker 11: No. Based on when we got the information for who we were looking for the defendant, we looked at BMV images of her, so I recognized her. [01:04:47] Speaker 4: Okay. So you'd never seen her before in your life to that point, but based on the images that you'd seen prior to that, you knew immediately that was Pammy May? Correct. Thank you. [01:04:57] Speaker 11: Do you have any weapons on you or anything like that? No. No? Are you okay? Are you okay? Do you need an ambulance? I'm just gonna pull this down so I can look you in your eyes. [01:05:06] Speaker 1: What's your name? What's your name? I don't want to say that. Okay. Ma'am, we know who you are, okay? I know. All right. What do you have here? I don't want to say it. All right, ma'am. Do you mind just standing up for me? Yes. Okay. [01:05:27] Speaker 13: Okay. What do you have on your legs, ma'am? It's plastic bags covering our feet. Plastic bags. Ma'am, real quick, we know who you are. Can I just have your social? I know. Can you go let our boss in? Sure. Thank you. Ma'am, look. I can't. Why I have to think I'm just walking on. [01:05:57] Speaker 1: What's it? Did you speak to him or no? No, he didn't have my vocal. No. Where were you just at now? Where have you been at? I don't know. I can't. Oh, my God. Are you having any pain anywhere? I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to give you a gentleman. All right. Thank you. Thank you. [01:06:39] Speaker 11: Ma'am, you understand that you are under arrest and you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. You have a right to have an attorney and an attorney present during any and all questioning. Do you understand your rights? Yes, I do. If you can't afford one, one will be provided for you. Okay. Do you understand your rights? No. All right, ma'am. Real quick, I just want to stand you up real quick. I want to pat you down for any weapons or anything. Can we just take off this top coat? Yeah. Okay. All right. Ma'am, go ahead and just stand up for me. Okay. Okay. [01:07:13] Speaker 12: Here, I'll help you out. Here. Thank you, because I'm real weak. What is it? She said she's real weak. Okay, no problem. Yeah. I'll help you out. All right. [01:07:24] Speaker 11: All right. Can I have my, um, I don't have any. What do you need? We just got to make sure, ma'am. Okay. No, you just... [01:07:36] Speaker 12: When's the last time you ate? Why don't you have a seat? Have a seat. Yeah, just have a seat. Have a seat. No, no. Have a seat. You got to bend at the waist. Steve, do you got any gloves in your pocket? You got to bend at the waist, ma'am, before you just fall back? Yeah. Okay. Okay. [01:07:50] Speaker 11: Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Just, ma'am, you can just sit down, okay? Okay. Okay. We, we can... [01:08:00] Speaker ?: Thank you. All right. [01:08:02] Speaker 11: Okay. Just a bunch of change in here. Yes. Okay. What's on this side? I'll plug it. I'm like... Oh, my God. Okay. What's going on with you? Are you, do you have pain or... [01:08:40] Speaker 1: I have... [01:08:42] Speaker 11: We're going to have our paramedics come and check you out, okay? Okay. Yes. They'll do your vitals and everything like that, all right? Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. All righty, ma'am. You can sit back in the chair, okay? Okay. Okay. [01:09:18] Speaker 1: What's going on? [01:09:48] Speaker 11: 2268 radio are you just cold you're shivering I don't know if you have it but this female's DL is Richard Tom 528967 I don't need it back don't say anything over the radio [01:10:00] Speaker 4: I don't recall if they were on the way at that point I didn't hear [01:10:18] Speaker 11: myself call for an ambulance but one of the other people on scene may have okay did an [01:10:26] Speaker 4: ambulance respond to that location yes and did they transport Ms. May to the hospital they did okay was that a true and accurate copy of your body worn camera from that night yes okay and by the end of that I think we heard you find her driver's license and you read out her driver's license number to was a dispatch correct and at that point you had would it be fair to say you had fully identified her as Pammy May at that point yes okay officer I want to ask you to look around the courtroom today and let me know if you recognize the woman that you found in that [01:11:08] Speaker 2: warehouse in the courtroom today I do they're stipulating it's the same woman in the video and that he's identified her and the record can so reflect thank you nothing further cross thanks judge good morning [01:11:21] Speaker 5: sir good morning sir good morning so you'll recall um you learned you were called to this 24-hour business of course correct correct and um that's when you found Ms. May seated in that chair right yes and that evening of course we're in the middle of winter up near Cleveland correct yes 26 degrees out sounds accurate and she to your knowledge was was wandering around outside then came in of course correct yes and on her feet you referenced some plastic bags did she have shoes on she did not so she's wandering around outside in freezing cold weather with plastic bags on her feet comes in you encounter her correct [01:12:12] Speaker 11: not exactly I guess the business encountered her first and then I did [01:12:18] Speaker 5: well okay um that important detail now established I'll ask you again she'd been wandering around outside in that get up and you encountered her correct no [01:12:30] Speaker 2: well you came in contact with her he's not trying to trick her did you did you cut [01:12:35] Speaker 5: did you come into contact with her sir yes or no I did okay that's all I'm asking you follow yes so you came into contact with this woman with bags on her feet correct yes it's freezing cold outside correct yes she identified herself correct when you asked her you said are you she asked you you asked her for her social security number correct yes she made no attempt to deceive you about her identity correct no she wasn't combative with you she complied with all of your requests correct yes that's all I have thank you all right any redirect yes just briefly [01:13:09] Speaker 4: did uh she tell you what her name was no did she give you her social security number no all right [01:13:15] Speaker 2: hey thanks for your testimony appreciate it thank you all right your excuse long as prosecutor says you can travel back to Brooklyn all right we can call one more witness uh uh and you know we'll break in about 15 minutes or so we approach that sure off the record [01:13:50] Speaker 5: Thank you. 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All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. [02:19:37] Speaker 8: All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. [02:19:41] Speaker ?: All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. [02:19:43] Speaker 8: All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. All rise for a jury, please. [02:19:53] Speaker 15: All rise for a jury, please. [02:20:01] Speaker 5: Thank you, Mayor, Your Honor. [02:20:02] Speaker 2: The fence has stipulated that you've identified her, and the record will reflect that he did. [02:20:08] Speaker 5: Just one moment now. [02:20:10] Speaker 2: Sure. [02:20:11] Speaker 8: No further questions. Thank you, Commander. Boss. Thank you. Good morning, Commander. [02:20:19] Speaker 15: Good morning, Mr. Szymanski. [02:20:21] Speaker 5: So, just so the ladies and gentlemen of the jury understand, I mean, you've had a long and honorable career with CPD is safe to say, correct? Yes. Thank you. And it's also safe to say that in our hierarchy in Columbus, you've got the chief, right? Yes. And under her, there's an assistant chief, right? Yes. And you've got deputy chiefs, correct? Yes. And there's commanders. Yes. So, you're entrusted, of course, based on your years of service and, frankly, your ability, with commanding a bureau, right? Yes. And you have not only been involved, you know, what we do on a day-to-day basis in this system, some of it's easy to deal with and some of it's extraordinarily tragic, right? [02:21:17] Speaker 15: Yes. [02:21:18] Speaker 5: We deal with victims that are completely innocent and, of course, don't deserve the fate that's befallen them, correct? Yes. I'm here to say this is as difficult a case as we've encountered, right? I mean, you know, it doesn't get any worse than this, right? [02:21:41] Speaker ?: Yes. [02:21:42] Speaker 5: And that's why you were sent up there, because your background is not solely in property crime, but also in dealing with wellness and mental health issues, correct? Yes. So, you were uniquely suited to make a fair and accurate recording of this interaction, which you did, correct? [02:22:06] Speaker 15: Yes. [02:22:07] Speaker 5: And you heard that talk about DEAR and, you know, all of that, which the jury will be able to evaluate, was unprompted because you did your level best and you succeeded in listening and recording the statement, which is what you were supposed to do, right? Yes. Okay. You didn't have your thumb on any scale. You were just up there, along with everybody else, trying to bring some closure to this horrible tragedy, right? [02:22:36] Speaker 15: Yes, sir. [02:22:37] Speaker 5: Thank you, sir. [02:22:38] Speaker ?: All right. [02:22:39] Speaker 2: Anything else? No, Your Honor. [02:22:41] Speaker ?: Thank you for your testimony, Commander. [02:22:42] Speaker 8: Thank you, Your Honor. [02:22:43] Speaker 2: Sure. Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. [02:22:46] Speaker ?: Thank you, Your Honor. Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. [02:22:46] Speaker 2: Thank you, Your Honor. [02:22:47] Speaker 5: Thank you, Your Honor. [02:22:48] Speaker ?: Sure. [02:22:48] Speaker 2: Thank you, Your Honor. [02:22:49] Speaker ?: Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [02:27:32] Speaker 2: Thank you. [02:28:02] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 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