Tulfo-led Senate blue ribbon holds organizational meeting

[1:02] Today, we gather for a consultative meeting and our organizational briefing to organize the Blue Ribbon Committee under the present majority block headed by Senate Pro Temporary and Acting Senate President Sherwin Gatchelian. [1:23] To be clear, we will be asking for updates from the executive agencies. As we proceed, this committee must likewise address the circumstances surrounding the June 4 press conference held in the session hall. [1:38] That press conference was presented to the public as a Blue Ribbon Committee proceeding, despite having no authorization from the duly recognized chairman of the committee or from the office of the acting Senate President. [1:52] It was conducted outside established Senate rules and institutional processes. Simply put, it was not a legitimate Blue Ribbon Committee hearing. It was irregular, a hausiao, as you may want to call it, a make-believe investigation masquerading as an official Senate proceeding. [2:12] Thank you, Mr. President. [2:46] Well, Mr. President. [2:47] Thank you very much. [3:21] At this juncture, please allow me to acknowledge the presence of my esteemed colleagues, Senators Kiko Pangilinan, our Vice Chairperson, our Acting Senate President, Senate Pro Tempore Wingachalian, and my colleague, Senator Rafi Tulfo. [3:54] Thank you for coming today. [3:58] Before we proceed, let us pause for a minute of silent prayer for our kababayan, si Mindanao. [4:05] Meron pong 7.8 na lindol na tumama po doon kanikanina lamang. [4:42] Nais ko rin pong gamitin po ang pagkakataon na ito, pang batiin po ang isa nating kababayan, si Alex Siala, for winning the Birmingham Tennis Championship sa United Kingdom. [4:56] Congratulations, Paul. [4:58] At this juncture, please allow me to acknowledge the presence of me. [5:02] May I now request the Blue Ribbon Committee, Secretary, to acknowledge our resource persons for today. [5:08] Committee Secretary. [5:10] The following resource persons are present from the Department of Public Works and Highways, Undersecretary Ricardo Bernabe III, Undersecretary Arthur Bisnar, from the Department of Justice, Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadulion, Undersecretary Nicholas T, Assistant Secretary Joey Bernardes, [5:36] from the Department of Budget and Management, Assistant Secretary Andrea Selin Magpalas, from the Office of the Ombudsman, Attorney Karen Batu, Attorney Jeffrey Ravello, from the National Bureau of Investigation, Director Melvin Matibag. [5:55] That's all your honor. [5:56] Come sec, may we know, did we invite other guests? [6:04] Can you mention those who did not show up today, despite the fact that we sent notices to them last Wednesday afternoon? [6:13] We invited Representative Ferdinand Martin Romualdez, Representative Sia Alonto Adyong, Representative Jose Alvarez, Representative Julian Jam Baronda, Representative Laila de Lima, through Speaker D. [6:31] The reason for their absence, Attorney Celio Velicaria Garafil, said that the House of Representatives, they sent a letter respectfully declining the invitation on the grounds of parliamentary courtesy. [7:00] Okay, what about the 18 bodyguards, comsec? [7:08] Did we invite them? [7:09] We have not received, yes, we invited them, but we have not received any reply. [7:13] What about attorney Baligot, did we invite them? [7:20] Yes, your honor, we invited, but we have not received any reply. [7:23] What about former Congressman Mike Defensor, did we invite him? [7:28] We did not invite former Congressman Mike Defensor. [7:32] Okay, comsec. [7:35] So, with that, we now allow our fellow senators to deliver their opening statements, if they have any. [7:46] Go ahead. [7:50] Thank you, Chairperson, Senator Irwin. [7:56] Magandang umaga sa ating lahat. [7:57] As earlier noted, for the record, today's proceedings are being conducted as a consultation and organizational meeting, rather than a hearing of the committee. [8:07] The purpose is to facilitate the orderly transition and continuity of the committee's work, pending the completion of its reorganization and membership and formal constitution of the committee. [8:23] As we proceed with the formal and official public consultation meeting of this committee, allow us to place on record the following and reiterate the following. [8:33] The June 3 session, convened by 12 senators, was in compliance with the Constitution, the rules of the Senate, and jurisprudence. [8:43] And 12 being a quorum, all acts pertaining to the official business of the Senate in plenary on June 3 are deemed lawful, consistent with the Constitution, including the motion to declare all elected positions vacant, which includes the position of Senate President, number one. [9:03] Number two, the election of Senator Irwin Gachalian as Senate President pro temp to address the vacancy in the position of Senate President, is also lawful and consistent with the Constitution. [9:18] And number three, the election of Senator Irwin Tulfo as chairperson of the Blue Ribbon Committee, is likewise lawful and consistent with our rules. [9:27] In addition, the official acts of the Senate in plenary last June 3 has been recognized as lawful and consistent with the Constitution by the Office of the President, the House of Representatives, several retired Supreme Court justices, deans, and eminent professors of law of various law schools nationwide, five former Senate presidents, [9:52] and no less than the Integrated Bar of the Philippines, the largest organization of lawyers in the country. [10:00] As such, we reiterate, therefore, that the so-called Blue Ribbon Committee hearing conducted last Thursday, June 4, was illegal, void ab initio, and had no binding effect. [10:17] It is in this context that today's public consultation and organizational meeting of the Blue Ribbon Committee is being called to order. [10:25] And we hope that with these proceedings, we will be able to get to the bottom of the truth behind the allegations earlier presented. [10:39] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield the floor. [10:42] I yield the floor. [10:43] Thank you, Senator Pangilinan. [10:44] Thank you, Senator Pangilinan. [10:45] We now go to our acting Senate President, Senate Pro Tempore, Huynh Gachilian. [10:49] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and let me acknowledge and thank our chairman, Chairman Irwin Tulfo, for calling this hearing slash consultative meeting. [11:03] Let me also thank our vice chairman, Vice Chairman Kiko Pangilinan, and of course, all the members of this esteemed committee. [11:12] Unang-una sa lahat po, nakakadismaya na hindi po umaten yung 18 bodyguards, yung kanilang abogado na si Atty. Baligod at si ginaong mic defensor dito sa ating patawag. [11:28] Ito po ay opisyal na patawag. Nag-release po ang Blue Ribbon Secretariat ng official na invitation. Ipinosto sa website. Itong ating consultative event, consultative meeting today ay in-stream rin po sa website. [11:50] At makikita po natin na full complement po ang nandito po sa consultative meeting. [11:57] At nakakadismaya po dahil kung alam ng mga invited guests, particularly po yung 18 bodyguards, na sa loob ng kanilang puso ay alam nila ang katotohanan, [12:12] e dapat pumunta po sila dito para ipamahagi at ishare sa ating lahat ang katotohanan. [12:19] Hindi po pwedeng pumili kung saan sila pupunta at magsalita. Hindi po pwedeng pumili kung sino ang kakausapin nila, kung kakampi man o hindi. [12:29] Dahil kung alam mo na sa puso mo ang katotohanan, kahit saan kang pumunta, katotohanan dapat mong sabihin. [12:37] Marami po ako, personally, marami po akong inihandang mga katanungan. Nakita ko po yung kanilang mga sinumpaang salaysay. [12:47] Marami po akong gustong itanong dahil marami po akong nakikitang inconsistency gaps at gusto kong malinawan itong mga inconsistencies at gaps. [12:58] Nagprepara po tayo para makausap po sila at parang po maging patas ang pagdinig po natin ngayong umagang ito. [13:06] Pero sa ganitong sitwasyon, ako po personal na nadidismaya dahil hindi po tayo nagkaroon ngayon ng pagkakatoon para matanong sila [13:18] at lalong klaruhin yung mga kanilang isinasabi itong mga nakaraang mga panahon. [13:26] Sa alam ko, marami po silang inikutan na iba't ibang venue para magsalita. [13:31] Pero ito po yung pinakamahalagang venue para po ilahad ang katotohanan. [13:37] So sa ganitong punto, ako po yung nagpapasalamat po sa ating chairman sa kanyang paghahanda dito sa ating aktividad ngayong araw na ito. [13:48] At nagpapasalamat po ako sa lahat ng ating mga kasamahan dahil nagbigay po sila ng oras. [13:53] At naghanda sila para harapin po itong mga 18 bodyguards na marami pong sinasabi tungkol po sa iba't iba pong mga personalidad. [14:08] Marami marami salamat po. [14:09] Marami salamat po, Senator Tempore, Acting Senate President Wayne Gachillian. [14:16] We'd also like to acknowledge the presence of our colleagues, Senator JV, Senator Mamakino, Senator Tito Soto, and Senator Risa Monteveros. [14:28] Salamat siya. [14:29] We now believe Senator Raffi has a statement. [14:35] Thank you, Mr. Chair. [14:37] Mr. Chair, it took all my energy to not to gatecrush the live selling that happened here last June 4. [14:44] The way it happened, the way it was handled, the statements being made. [14:51] Gusto ko lang talagang pumunta dito. [14:53] Hindi naman po ako invited doon sa conference nila nayon. [14:57] I waited for today's hearing to confront the resourceful persons they presented. [15:03] Let me call on them labing walong kargador. [15:08] Kasi nga po, nagkakarga sila ng mga mali-maletang pera, sabi nga nila. [15:12] Yun po talagang trabaho nila taga-bitbit, taga-karga ng maleta. [15:17] Una, sino ba itong labing walong kargador na mga maleta? [15:21] Saan ba sila galing? [15:22] We cannot simply bring in people sa Blue Ribbon Committee na nag-aakusa na mabibigat na paratang [15:29] nang hindi man lang nalalaman kung karapat-dapat ba sila paniwalaan. [15:34] Kasi simulang-simula pa lamang po na tinawag silang 18 Marines, may paglilin lang na agad. [15:42] Yung bansag na 18 Marines ay isang paraan upang pabanguhin sila sa publiko. [15:48] Matik po kasi yan. [15:49] Pag sinabing Marines, aba, iba po ang respeto ng mga tao. [15:55] Pero hindi naman po silang lahat ay dating Marines. [15:59] At mahigit kalahati sa kanila ay discharged without honors or dishonorably discharged from service for various offenses. [16:08] Ibig sabihin palpak sila. [16:11] Tulad na pagiging able o absent without leave. [16:14] Why is this information very important? [16:19] Because for people to believe their allegations, it must come from a credible and reliable source. [16:26] And so, the people using them portray them as heroes. [16:31] God damn. [16:32] Sabi nga ng isa sa mga senado na dumalun nung araw na yon, [16:35] bayani daw po sila. [16:39] Pero nangakaya naman po sila sa iba nating mga bayani. [16:42] Na itong 18 kargador na ilang taong nagtrabaho kay Saldico, may 7 years at 9 years at nagbitbit daw, sabi nila, [16:54] ng sangkatutak ng maleta ng pera. [16:58] At bigla na lang tinubuan ng konsensya at ngayon ay naninira lang buhay ng mga inusenteng tao, [17:06] ay tatawagin nating bayani. [17:10] Pasensya na. [17:10] Hindi ako papayag na matabi ang mga sinungaling neto kila Jose Rizal, Andres Bonifacio at mga dakila nating OFWs. [17:20] At dito papasok ang pangulo kong punto, [17:23] hindi lang po ang kredibilidad ng 18 kargador ang kaduda-duda. [17:28] Ang mismong testimonya nila ay nakakapagtaka. [17:33] Lumabas na po ang ilan sa mga ito sa balita, [17:36] pero pasadaan lang po natin. [17:39] Let me show some video clips of the hearing. [17:41] Video 1. [17:43] Si Father Flabi, ay hinatiran ko ng pera doon sa Mindanao Ab. [17:53] Isang sobre yun, sir. [17:55] Anong lugar po yun? [17:56] Sa Mindanao Ab, sa mismo simbahan niya, sir. [17:59] Sa may gilid ng kalsada. [18:01] Bakit po kayo nagdala ng pera doon sa pare? [18:06] Kasi, sir, pang... [18:08] Hindi ko ano, sir. [18:08] O pang ano nila yun, sir. [18:10] Basta nagdala lang ako yun ng pera, sir. [18:12] Tapos doon sa 33... [18:15] Maleta din ba? [18:15] Hindi nila mo? [18:16] Ah, isang sobre, sir. [18:18] Tapos doon, sir, sa 33 Clemente... [18:20] Baka naman sulat lang pinadala kayo sobre. [18:22] Pero, sir, kita ko mismo, sir, eh. [18:24] Tapos sa 33 Clemente, sir, isang ano, isang maleta. [18:28] Kanino? [18:29] Kay Father Flabi, binuwat ko papunta sa sakyan niya. [18:33] Tapos yung saot niya, sir, itim na pang pare. [18:35] Ang sagot naman ni Diocese of Cabao Bishop Elias Ayubad Jr., [18:39] there is no church entrusted to the Society of the Divine Word on Mindanao Avenue or anywhere in its vicinity. [18:47] Alawa, iPhone time travel. [18:56] 2024 pa lang, wala pang iPhone 16E noong 2024. [19:02] Ang mutok yung flood control po, 2024, nakapagsalita na po dito si Master Sergeant Orligo Tisa ngayon, maraming nagliligaw sa amin na... [19:18] Ano po? Ano po? [19:19] Nililigawan po kami na hindi na po kami magsalita. [19:23] Yung lahat ng cellphone po namin, ibibigay po sa kanila. [19:27] Sa anong dahilan? [19:29] Papalitan po ng mga bago po, iPhone po. [19:33] Ano bang klase yung mga cellphone nyo? [19:36] Nokia? [19:37] iPhone 16. [19:39] So papalitan nila ng mas maganda? [19:41] Yes, Your Honor. [19:42] Alam ninyo ang dahilan kung ba't nila gagawin yun? [19:44] Kasi nandun yung mga picture namin nyo. [19:47] Anong klase ng cellphone para ma-record? [19:49] iPhone 16E 128GB. [19:53] Nang i-check ng News 5 sa mismong website ng Apple, [19:56] lumalabas na February 21, 2025 ang pre-order na naturang model na sinasabi ng Bagman sa hiring. [20:02] Matlo, pinili na impormasyon. [20:09] Ano ang nangyari sa pagpapalabas ng katotohanan? [20:13] Kung pinipili lang nila kung sino ang ilalabas? [20:16] Malinaw ang detalya nila sa una nilang affidavit [20:19] tungkol sa mga maletang dinala sa ilan naming kasamahan dito na may address pa. [20:24] Pero bakit parang mirakulo na naglaho ang naratibo tungkol dito? [20:29] Sa original affidavit ng mga dating sundalo, [20:33] nandun din si Senator Loren daw at saka yung magkapatid na billiards. [20:38] Ngayon po lang nakita yung affidavit. [20:40] I have not read, etc. [20:47] Pangapat, aking pinasilipong lugar na yun sa Makati. [20:51] Video 4. Money changing. [20:54] Nag-advise po si boss, magpapalit kami ng piso to dollar na dalawang maleta. [21:00] Doon sa Makati po. [21:01] Bibili kayo ng US dollar? [21:03] Yes, yes, our honor. [21:05] Dinala po namin ito sa Pearl Bank, Makati, Salcedo Billings po. [21:09] Dalawang maleta, worth of 50 to 60 M po ang laman. [21:16] Aking pong pinasilip, ang lugar na yun sa Makati [21:21] at walang record ng money changer sa Pearl Bank building. [21:26] Dapat po makumpirma ito. [21:28] At syempre, nandyan din po ang mga kadudadudang testimonya nila [21:31] labang kay Senator Soto na pinabulaanan niya [21:34] na dahil nga matagal ng patay, [21:36] ang sinasabi nilang si E.A. Mark [21:39] or Executive Assistant Mark. [21:43] At ang pangbawi nila ng aligasyon tungkol kay Representative Laila Dilima [21:47] na noong mga panahon na yun ay hindi pa kongresista at nakakulong pa. [21:52] At sabi niyong Bulsman Boyeng Rimulya, [21:54] ang isang letrato ay delivery na nangyari noong panahon ni Speaker Lord Velasco pa. [22:00] And so I come to my third point because it seems that some of the information [22:06] from these 18 porters or kargador are fed. [22:11] They have a hard time telling their story on their own. [22:14] Kung papanawin mo ang live sailing nila noong Webes, [22:18] hirap silang ikwento ang kanilang naratibo. [22:22] The presiding officers of that conference were coaching [22:24] and leading the resourceful persons. [22:27] Pag medyo nagkakamali, [22:31] syempre inaayos ng mga presiding officers ang testimonya. [22:36] Minsan si Atty. Baligon na hindi naman involved sa pagbitbit ng malita [22:40] ay siyang tumitistigo tungkol sa nangyari. [22:44] Eh wala naman siyang personal knowledge. [22:48] Ikaapat na punto, [22:49] nais ko pong humingi ng dispensa sa ating mga Senate media. [22:53] Bilang broadcaster at kasapi ng media, [22:56] masakit po tuwing nababansagan ng ilan sa atin na bayaran [23:01] kasi nasisira po ang profesyon natin. [23:05] Pero itong pagsisigawan na bayaran ang karamihan sa atin, [23:09] dito sa lugar na tinawag nyo ng tahanan at buong puso nyo [23:13] pinuprotektahan sa pamagitan na makatotohanang pagpapayag [23:16] ay tatawagin kayong bayaran. [23:20] Hindi po tama yun. [23:21] This institution time and time again owes you its dignity [23:24] because you keep the senators on their toes [23:28] and make sure we stay true to the Filipino people. [23:32] At kay Sen. Cayetano, [23:34] huwag po tayo masyadong demanding. [23:37] Itong magreklamo na wala ka sa front page, [23:40] limited pong front page space ng mga dyaryo. [23:45] Kaya pililan po talaga ang nalalagay dyan. [23:48] Pero hindi ibig sabihin hindi na sila patas. [23:51] Dahil kung titignan mo naman online, [23:54] all these news outlets reported his statement. [23:58] It is in their online platform. [23:59] Kung saan libo-libo ang nagbabasa. [24:03] The front page is reserved for the biggest and latest news. [24:07] Yun bang bagong kaganapan. [24:11] Yun po kasing pagkapit sa kapangyarihan [24:13] at hindi pagtanggap sa pagkatalo nyo, [24:15] lumambalita na po. [24:18] But nevertheless, it was reported upon. [24:21] I-google nyo po yun. [24:23] And my point, [24:25] we have to look into the allegation [24:27] na nabayaran ng limang milyon [24:29] ang labing walong kargador. [24:32] I'm not saying it's true. [24:33] I-herap po ng NBI itong witness nila na nagsabi noon. [24:38] Pero ang masasabi ko lang, [24:40] ginamit lang kayo ng mga malalaking tao [24:42] para sa mga personal nilang interest sa politika. [24:46] Kulang yung 5 milyon. [24:48] Kunwari, inanalayan nila kayo. [24:51] Pero pagharapin nyo [24:52] na itong sangkatutak na kaso [24:55] na isasampas sa inyo, [24:57] itong mga siniraan ninyo, [24:59] tingnan nyo, [25:00] unti-unti kayong iwan yan. [25:02] Ngayon pa lang, [25:03] nainig mo na sila [25:04] na nagugas kamay sa mga paratang nyo. [25:06] Dumi-distansya sila sa inyo dahan-dahan. [25:10] Kaya sa ating mga kababayan, [25:11] mag-ingat po tayo sa paniwalaan [25:14] or papaniwalaan. [25:16] Remember, [25:18] the devil can cite the scripture [25:21] for his purpose. [25:23] No more, no less. [25:24] When Jesus went into the wilderness to pray, [25:28] the devil tried to tempt him three times. [25:33] But as he was failing to tempt Jesus, [25:39] and as he was getting desperate, [25:42] what did the devil do? [25:44] He quoted the scriptures [25:45] from the book of Psalms. [25:48] Huwag po tayo magpapadala [25:50] sa mga mabubulaklak na mga pananalita [25:52] dahil lang siya ay nagbabasa ng Biblia. [25:55] Huwag po tayo basta maniniwala [25:58] dahil binansagang bayani [25:59] o marins ang 18 na kargador. [26:04] Buksan po natin ang ating mga mata, [26:06] taing at utak. [26:07] Huwag po tayo magpapadala [26:08] sa mga live selling nila. [26:11] Tingnan nyo po kung sino ang nagbebenta. [26:13] Kasi kung mahistoryan [26:15] ng pagbubudol [26:16] at di tayo maingat, [26:18] tayo na pong susunod na biktima nila. [26:20] And before I end, [26:24] I would like to remind [26:26] my colleagues here in the Senate [26:29] to please be very careful [26:32] in calling out some people [26:34] as bayani. [26:37] Putting them on a pedestal [26:39] dahil hindi naman talaga totoo. [26:43] Because that will be [26:44] a reflection of you. [26:46] Tatawagin mo [26:47] ang mga taong umami naman [26:49] na nag-deliver ng mga kickback [26:51] kung sino-sino ang poncio pilato. [26:53] So therefore, [26:54] matatawag siya ng sindikato. [26:56] So kung tatawagin mong bayan [26:58] yung isang sindikato, [26:59] sindikato ka rin. [27:01] As simple as that. [27:02] Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair. [27:04] Maraming salamat, [27:06] Senator Rafi. [27:07] We now go to [27:08] Senator J.B. Ejercito [27:09] if you have any opening statement. [27:12] Mr. Chair, [27:12] I'll just go straight [27:13] to the question later [27:15] so that we can [27:16] start the ball rolling. [27:17] Thank you. [27:18] Thank you, [27:18] Senator J.B. [27:20] Senator Bang. [27:21] Okay. [27:22] Now we go to [27:23] Senator Tito Soto. [27:27] Thank you. [27:28] I'm just here to listen. [27:31] I actually [27:33] would not want to dignify [27:35] parang siningit [27:37] nando sa salaysay [27:38] but nevertheless, [27:39] I'm here to listen, [27:40] Mr. Chairman. [27:41] Thank you. [27:45] Thank you very much, [27:46] Senator Soto. [27:47] Senator Rizzo Antaveros. [27:49] Salamat po, Mr. Chair [27:51] at magandang umaga po sa lahat. [27:54] Wala pong iniiwasan [27:56] ang bagong mayorya [27:57] ng Senado. [27:58] Pero sa kahit anong [28:00] investigason, [28:02] dapat ebidensya [28:03] ang mangibabaw. [28:05] Hindi kwento lang. [28:07] Yan pong gusto sana [28:08] nating alamin [28:09] ngayong araw. [28:11] Pero ang 18 ex-bodyguards, [28:14] hindi po sumipot [28:15] ngayon sa Senado. [28:17] Oportunidad po sana ito [28:19] para malaman [28:20] kung ano ba talaga [28:22] ang totoo. [28:23] Pero ang resource persons [28:24] ay wala dito [28:25] para patotohanan [28:27] ang kwento nila. [28:29] Sayang po, [28:31] I recall a quote [28:32] which says, [28:34] Truth doesn't mind [28:35] being questioned. [28:37] A lie [28:38] does not like [28:39] being challenged. [28:42] Salamat po, Mr. Chair. [28:44] Maraming salamat po, [28:47] Senador Riza [28:49] Antaveros. [28:50] Thank you po. [28:50] Before we go to [28:54] the questioning [28:55] in the matter [28:57] of the order of arrival [28:59] of our colleagues, [29:02] unahin po natin mamaya [29:03] si Senator, [29:05] Senate Pro Tempore [29:07] Wingachalian, [29:09] followed by [29:09] Senator Rafi Tulfo, [29:11] Senator JV, [29:13] Senator Baum, [29:14] Senator Soto, [29:14] and Senator Riza Antaveros. [29:16] Of course, [29:16] after the chairman, [29:20] it will be the vice chairman, [29:21] and then the Senate Pro Tempore. [29:24] And let us now, [29:27] before we go [29:29] to the presentation [29:30] of the various agencies [29:32] present today [29:34] that we invited, [29:35] like the National Bureau [29:36] of Investigation, [29:37] the Ombudsman, [29:38] the Department of Public Works [29:39] and Highways, [29:40] and the Department of Justice, [29:41] Department of Budget Management. [29:43] I would just like [29:44] to quickly mention po, [29:46] kasi sinasabi po, [29:48] basing doon sa accusations [29:49] that the blue ribbon [29:50] of the 20th Congress [29:53] headed by Senator Pink Luxon, [29:55] e wala pong nagawa. [29:56] Actually, [29:57] there were bills filed [29:58] because of the investigation. [30:01] Isa po diyan, [30:01] ang Senate Bill No. 1453, [30:04] License Integrity Act. [30:06] Ito po yung [30:06] prohibiting [30:08] unlawful lending, [30:09] borrowing, [30:09] a fraudulent use [30:10] of licenses, [30:11] permits and other concessions [30:13] granted by the state. [30:15] Yung pagpapahiram po [30:16] ng mga lisensya [30:17] ng mga kontraktor. [30:19] Dahil po, [30:20] na bulgar po [30:21] dito po sa blue ribbon hearing. [30:23] Isa po po, [30:24] ang Senate Bill No. 1373, [30:27] Contractors License Law. [30:29] Ito po yung bill [30:29] Restructuring and Strengthening [30:31] the Philippine Contractors [30:32] Accreditation Board [30:33] introduces stricter qualifications [30:36] in terms of office [30:37] for its members. [30:39] Ang ibig po sabihin, [30:40] hindi na po, [30:41] pag ikaw ay member [30:41] ng PICAB, [30:42] hindi ka po pwedeng [30:43] mangontrata sa gobyerno. [30:45] SB No. 1360, [30:47] Master Plan for Infrastructure [30:49] and National Development Act. [30:51] 30-year comprehensive [30:52] infrastructure development [30:54] master plan [30:55] which shall focus [30:56] on the country's [30:57] long-term vision, [30:58] goals, [30:59] and strategy [31:00] of infrastructure development. [31:02] Hindi po yung [31:03] basta na lamang [31:04] isumiti yung program [31:05] of work [31:05] ng isa pong politiko [31:07] para makakuha po [31:08] ng pondok. [31:09] Kailangan po ito [31:10] ay nakabase [31:10] sa master plan po [31:12] for infrastructure [31:13] and national development. [31:15] Isa po ay [31:16] regulation [31:16] of foreign travel [31:18] for government officials [31:19] and employees. [31:21] Senate Bill No. 1362, [31:23] this bill regulates [31:23] foreign travels [31:24] and government officials [31:25] and employees [31:25] who are under investigation [31:27] for acts that may compromise [31:29] national security, [31:30] public safety, [31:31] or public health. [31:33] Senate Bill No. 1364, [31:35] amending the Bank Secrecy Act. [31:38] This measure proposes [31:39] to amend the law [31:40] by authorizing [31:40] a competent court [31:41] or investigating body [31:43] to examine the bank [31:44] deposits [31:44] of public officials. [31:46] Senate Bill No. 1365, [31:47] amending PD No. 1759, [31:50] penalizing the contractors [31:52] and subcontractors [31:53] who violate any [31:55] material provision [31:56] of contracts [31:56] involving public works [31:58] of government officials [31:59] of government [32:00] and public officials [32:02] who allow such violation. [32:04] Senate Bill No. 1358, [32:06] Budget Modernization Act [32:07] of September 9, [32:09] 2025. [32:10] Ito po, [32:10] kaya po natin [32:11] mapapanood na [32:12] from now on [32:13] ang bicameral conference [32:14] po ng dalawang kupulungan [32:16] sa pagsasagawa po [32:17] ng ating budget [32:18] at marami pa pong iba. [32:20] Eyon lamang po [32:21] ay pinapaalala po natin [32:22] doon sa mga nagsasabi [32:23] na wala pong ginawa [32:24] ang Blue Ribbon [32:25] hearings po [32:27] nito mga nagdaang panahon. [32:30] Iyan po ang accomplishments [32:31] po ng Blue Ribbon [32:32] na hearing [32:33] na isa nagawa po natin [32:34] ngayong 20th Congress. [32:36] Now, [32:36] we go to the presentation. [32:38] Yes. [32:38] If you don't mind, [32:41] Mr. Chairman, [32:42] yes, also [32:43] to fortify [32:45] what you're saying, [32:46] Senate Bill 1835 [32:48] is an infrastructure [32:49] governance act [32:51] reorganizing [32:52] the DPWH. [32:55] We filed the bill. [32:58] Now that [32:58] Senator Soto, [33:00] let us now [33:01] move to the presentation [33:03] of the various agencies. [33:05] We start with [33:05] the National Bureau [33:06] of Investigation. [33:07] Attorney Melvin Matibag, [33:09] Go ahead, please. [33:12] Meron po kaming [33:13] pre-repair na slides. [33:15] Baka po pwedeng [33:16] ma-blast. [33:20] Go ahead. [33:23] Una po sa lahat, [33:24] magandang umaga po [33:25] sa inyong lahat. [33:26] Maraming salamat po [33:27] sa inyong imbitasyon [33:28] at kamusta na po kayo [33:29] mga kaibigan naming senador. [33:31] Noong Pebrero 23 po, [33:34] 2026, [33:35] nagsumite [33:36] ng joint [33:36] epidemics [33:37] ang grupo [33:38] na sinasabing [33:40] the former security [33:41] of Saldico [33:41] kasama si [33:42] Attorney Balikod [33:43] na naglalaman [33:45] ng mga [33:45] aligasyon [33:45] ng cast deliveries. [33:47] Ang imbistigasyon [33:48] ay sinagawa [33:49] ng NBI Task Force [33:50] Marino [33:50] base sa [33:51] deputization [33:52] ng ombudsman [33:53] at sa sariling [33:54] kapangyarihan [33:55] ng NBI. [33:56] So, [33:56] tinawag po namin [33:57] Task Force Marino [33:58] ito noon [33:58] pero pwede naman [34:00] na po namin [34:00] palitan siguro [34:01] yung pangalan ng Task Force [34:02] pag mamarapatin. [34:05] Yes, [34:06] please do that [34:07] kasi po [34:07] insulto po [34:08] sa institusyon [34:09] sa Philippine Marine Corps [34:11] at sa Armed Forces [34:13] of the Philippines [34:13] dahil ito pong mga ito [34:15] ay karamihan po [34:16] sa kanila [34:16] at wala po na nasabi [34:17] ni Senator Rafi [34:18] ito po yung mga [34:19] nag-awol. [34:20] May kaso po [34:21] dishonorable discharge [34:22] at sinabi na rin po [34:23] ng AFP [34:24] na maaari [34:25] huwag pong gamitin [34:26] na sila po [34:27] ay 18 Marines [34:28] dahil hindi po [34:29] sila lahat Marines [34:30] at ang iba [34:31] ang may mga kaso. [34:32] Maraming salamat po [34:33] Atty. [34:33] Palitan lang po namin [34:34] kung hindi Task Force Bodyguard [34:36] eh baka Task Force Bellboys po [34:38] para [34:38] mas appropriate po siguro. [34:41] Next slide please. [34:43] Ang ating tatalakayin ngayon [34:45] ay ang ebidensyang [34:46] ebidensyang halaga [34:48] ng Abidebit [34:49] ng tinagroang 18 bodyguards. [34:51] Sa kasong ito [34:52] ginamit ang Abidebit [34:53] bilang pangunahing ebidensya [34:55] na umano'y [34:56] cast deliveries. [34:57] Ngunit ayon sa NBI Task Force [34:59] kailangan natin suriin [35:01] kung sapat ba [35:02] ang bigat ng ebidensya, [35:04] kung may issue [35:05] sa paggamit [35:05] ng titulong Marines [35:06] at kung paano [35:08] na iba [35:08] ang independent recollection [35:10] sa collective narrative. [35:12] Ang layunin natin [35:13] ay makita [35:14] kung ang Abidebit [35:15] ay talagang [35:17] nakatutulong [35:18] sa pagbuo [35:18] ng probable cause. [35:20] Kung ito man [35:21] ay kahinaan [35:21] na dapat [35:22] pagtunan ang pansin, [35:23] sa katunayan po, [35:24] ang ginamit na lang [35:25] nga naming pamantayan [35:26] ay probable cause [35:27] at hindi na yung [35:28] memorandum circular [35:30] ng DOJ [35:31] na nagsasabi ng [35:32] there should be [35:33] reasonable certainty [35:34] of conviction [35:35] pag mag-aakyat tayo [35:36] ng kaso. [35:37] Next slide please. [35:40] Ang tanong [35:40] na dapat sagutin, [35:42] nakakatulong ba [35:43] o nakakasira [35:44] sa kredibilidad [35:45] ang label na ex-Marine? [35:47] Ginagamit ang label [35:48] na ito [35:49] para ipakita [35:50] ng grupo [35:50] na may integridad [35:52] at disiplina. [35:53] Gaya na nga po [35:54] ng sinabi ni [35:55] Sen. Rapitul [35:56] kanina [35:56] sa kanyang [35:57] opening statement. [35:58] Sa kasong ito, [35:59] may mga [36:00] member ng grupo [36:01] na hindi naman [36:01] tunay na Marines [36:02] o honorably [36:06] discharged. [36:06] Sa katunayan po, [36:07] ayon sa aming [36:08] pagsusuri [36:09] at pag-iimbestiga, [36:10] labindalwa [36:11] sa labing anim [36:12] na dating Marines [36:13] ay dishonorably [36:14] discharged. [36:15] At may mga [36:16] member ng Army [36:17] at Reservis [36:18] lamang [36:18] o sibilyan. [36:19] Kaya ang [36:20] ex-Marine label [36:21] ay otomatik [36:22] o nagbibigay [36:23] ng kredibilidad [36:24] na sadyang [36:25] ginamit [36:25] upang [36:26] itaas [36:26] ang kalidad [36:27] ng kanilang [36:28] sinasabing [36:29] testimonya. [36:31] Next slide, [36:31] please. [36:33] Ayon sa batas, [36:34] ang testimonya [36:35] ay dapat [36:35] nakabatay [36:36] sa personal [36:37] na kaalaman [36:38] kung ang testigo [36:39] ay actual [36:40] na nakakita [36:40] ng cash delivery, [36:42] mas malakas [36:43] ang ebidensya. [36:45] Ngunit, [36:45] kung narinig lang niya [36:46] mula sa iba, [36:48] ito ay hearsay [36:49] at mahina [36:50] ang probative value. [36:52] Ito po [36:53] isang legal [36:54] na provision, [36:54] testimony [36:55] must be [36:55] based [36:56] on personal [36:56] knowledge [36:57] hearsay [36:59] as a [36:59] weak [36:59] probative [37:00] value. [37:01] Sa report [37:02] na lumabas [37:03] ng aming [37:03] task force, [37:04] lumalabas [37:05] na karamihan [37:05] sa payag [37:06] ng hearsay [37:07] at 10-20% [37:09] lamang [37:09] ang base [37:10] sa personal [37:10] knowledge [37:11] ng mga [37:12] affiance. [37:13] Halimbawa, [37:14] may testigo [37:14] na nagsabing [37:15] sinabi sa akin [37:16] na Estrada [37:16] na may cash [37:17] delivery, [37:19] hindi ako [37:19] mismo [37:19] ang nakakita [37:20] at hindi rin [37:21] po nakita [37:22] kung ano [37:22] ang laman [37:23] ng mga [37:23] maleta [37:24] base [37:25] lamang [37:25] sa sinasabi [37:26] ng kanilang [37:26] makasama [37:27] o kung ano [37:28] ang itinex [37:29] sa kanilang [37:30] group chat. [37:32] Next slide, [37:33] please. [37:34] Sabi naibit [37:35] 10-20% [37:37] lang [37:37] ang base [37:38] sa personal [37:38] na kaliman. [37:39] Halimbawa, [37:40] may ilang testigo [37:41] na nagsabing [37:41] nakita nila [37:42] ang bag [37:43] pero ang karamihan [37:44] ay narinig [37:44] lamang mula [37:45] sa ibang [37:45] membro [37:46] ng grupo [37:47] o executive [37:48] assistant. [37:49] Ang majority [37:50] ng pahayag [37:51] ay hearsay [37:51] kaya mahina [37:52] ang ebidensya. [37:54] Isang halimbawa [37:55] ng pahayag [37:56] ng testigo [37:56] sinabi sa akin [37:57] ni Estrada [37:58] na may cash [37:59] delivery. [38:00] Hindi ako [38:00] mismo [38:01] ang nakita. [38:01] Sa report [38:02] na binanggit [38:02] ng mga personal [38:03] knowledge [38:04] ng botafayant [38:04] ay limitado. [38:07] Ang natitirang [38:07] assertions [38:08] ay hearsay na. [38:10] Next slide, [38:11] please. [38:13] Walang dokumento. [38:14] Ito na po, [38:15] importante po ito [38:16] para supportahan [38:17] ang kanilang [38:17] testimonya. [38:19] Walang dokumento. [38:21] Ito yung [38:22] next slide pa po. [38:24] Lack of [38:25] collaboration. [38:25] Walang dokumento, [38:28] device, [38:29] o physical evidence [38:30] na sumusukorta [38:31] sa mga [38:32] aligasyon. [38:34] Halimbawa, [38:35] walang CCTV [38:36] footages, [38:38] resibo, [38:39] o cellphone. [38:41] Records, [38:41] wala po. [38:43] Nagpapatunay [38:44] ng kasili. [38:44] Ang ebidensya [38:45] ay puro [38:46] salita lamang. [38:47] Walang kasamang [38:48] physical na ebidensya. [38:50] Sa report, [38:50] kahit may [38:51] sabwina, [38:52] walang naipakitang [38:53] original photographs, [38:54] receipts, [38:55] o bank statement [38:56] ang grupo. [38:56] Ang abscess [38:58] ng documentary [38:59] evidence [38:59] ay hindi lamang [39:00] kahinaan, [39:01] kundi direct [39:02] failure to [39:02] comply with [39:03] the legal [39:03] directive. [39:04] Binigyan po [39:05] namin sila [39:06] ng sufficient [39:06] time para [39:07] magsumite [39:08] ng mga [39:08] corroborative [39:10] evidence, [39:11] testimonya man, [39:12] o material [39:12] evidence, [39:13] o physical [39:13] evidence, [39:14] wala po silang [39:15] isinumite. [39:18] Next slide please. [39:20] Ang laman [39:20] ng bag [39:21] ay kadalas [39:22] ang hinuhulaan [39:23] lang, [39:24] hindi [39:24] actual [39:24] na nakita. [39:25] Halimbawa, [39:26] sinabi ng [39:27] testigo na [39:28] mabigat [39:28] ang bag, [39:29] kaya pinaniniwalaan [39:30] nilang pera [39:30] ang laman, [39:32] pero walang [39:32] actual [39:33] na pagtingin [39:34] o pagbubukas [39:34] ng bag. [39:36] Sa report [39:36] ng 12, [39:38] sa 18 [39:39] na pions, [39:39] hindi nakita [39:40] ang laman [39:40] ng maleta [39:41] at tumaasa [39:42] lamang [39:42] sa bigat, [39:44] code word [39:44] na basura, [39:45] o sinabing [39:46] executive [39:46] assistance, [39:47] ang corpus, [39:49] ang elemento, [39:50] o ang kasbismo, [39:50] ang hindi [39:51] napatunayan [39:52] ng independent [39:52] evidence. [39:53] Kung maalala nyo po, [39:55] may mga [39:55] lumabas [39:56] noon na [39:56] na [39:57] naunang [39:58] inilabas [39:59] sa media [39:59] na sinasabi [40:00] nila, [40:01] kaya na lamang [40:02] pera, [40:03] merong mga [40:04] nasa [40:04] active duty [40:05] pa na PNP [40:06] na binuksan [40:07] at kumuha [40:08] ng pera. [40:09] Pero nung [40:09] isinumite na po [40:10] sa ombudsman [40:11] yung [40:11] abinibit, [40:12] wala na po yun. [40:14] Hindi na po [40:14] binanggit yun [40:15] doon sa [40:15] kanilang [40:16] abinibit [40:17] na isinumite [40:17] sa [40:17] ombudsman. [40:20] Ang mangyari [40:20] po rito, [40:21] parang [40:22] nagpapalit-palit [40:23] palagi [40:23] ang sinasabi [40:24] doon sa [40:24] abinibit [40:25] hanggang po [40:25] nung huling [40:25] nagkaroon [40:26] ng pagdinig [40:27] po dito. [40:28] Next slide [40:29] please. [40:31] Ang abinibit [40:32] ay hindi [40:32] dumadaan [40:33] sa cross [40:34] examination. [40:35] Kaya [40:35] mas mababa [40:37] ang bigat [40:37] nito [40:38] kumpara [40:38] sa testimonya [40:39] sa korte. [40:40] Halimbawa [40:41] sa abinibit [40:42] hindi [40:42] natatanong [40:43] ang testigo [40:44] ng [40:45] kabilang [40:45] panig. [40:47] Sana po [40:47] ito nga [40:47] yung pagkakataon [40:48] na magkaroon [40:49] ng paghaharapan. [40:50] Kaya [40:50] hindi [40:51] masusuri [40:51] ang katotohanan [40:52] ng pahayag. [40:54] Kung may [40:54] maling [40:54] informasyon [40:55] hindi ito [40:55] agad [40:56] mahihihwatigan. [40:59] Sa report [40:59] binanggit [41:00] ng abinibit [41:01] ay ex-parte [41:02] coordinated [41:02] at hindi [41:03] subject [41:04] sa cross [41:04] examination. [41:06] Ang [41:06] Supreme Court [41:07] na po [41:07] mismo [41:07] ang nagsabing [41:08] ang coordinated [41:09] testimony [41:10] ay may [41:10] diminish [41:11] weight. [41:13] Next slide [41:14] please. [41:14] May mga [41:16] informasyon [41:17] na dumaan [41:17] pa sa dalawa [41:18] o higit [41:19] pang tao [41:19] bago [41:21] makarating [41:21] sa abinibit. [41:23] Halimbawa [41:23] ang isang [41:24] membro [41:25] ay naniniglang [41:25] mula sa [41:26] ibang [41:26] membro [41:27] na may [41:27] cash [41:28] delivery [41:28] tapos [41:29] isasama [41:30] sa abinibit [41:31] lalong humihina [41:32] ang kredibilidad [41:33] ng ganitong [41:34] payag [41:34] dahil [41:35] hindi ito [41:37] direct [41:37] ang karanasan. [41:39] Sa report [41:40] maraming [41:40] assertion [41:41] ang galing [41:41] sa group [41:42] fiber chats [41:43] o sa [41:43] executive [41:44] assistant. [41:45] Hindi [41:45] sa sariling [41:46] karanasan [41:46] ng [41:47] apayan. [41:47] Ang hearsay [41:49] ay inadvisable [41:50] at walang [41:53] independent [41:54] probative [41:54] weight. [41:56] Double [41:56] hearsay [41:57] pa nga po. [41:58] Narinig [41:58] sa ganito [41:59] pinasa [41:59] sa kanila. [42:01] At yung [42:01] grupo po [42:03] doon sa [42:04] fiber chats [42:05] nila [42:05] hindi na [42:05] alam [42:06] kung sino [42:06] nagpadala [42:07] at nung [42:07] inahanap [42:08] po namin [42:08] yung [42:09] mga [42:10] fiber [42:10] chat [42:10] na ito [42:11] ang sinasabi [42:12] wala na [42:12] yung [42:13] telepono. [42:14] Kaya [42:14] maaaring [42:14] yung [42:15] binabanggit [42:15] po noon [42:15] na sinabing [42:16] papalitan [42:17] yung [42:17] telepono [42:17] kasama [42:18] na sa [42:18] naratibo [42:19] ang kanilang [42:19] binubuo. [42:21] Next slide [42:21] please. [42:22] Attorney [42:22] Mativag [42:23] before you [42:24] continue [42:24] we just [42:24] like to [42:25] inform [42:25] everyone [42:26] na yung [42:27] pong [42:27] labing [42:28] walong [42:28] ex-bodyguides [42:30] narito [42:30] po [42:30] sa [42:31] building [42:32] na ito [42:33] nasa [42:33] tanggapan [42:34] po [42:34] ni [42:35] Senator [42:35] Robin [42:36] Padilla [42:37] kasama [42:38] po si [42:38] Attorney [42:38] Baligod. [42:39] Despite [42:40] po [42:40] yung [42:40] ating [42:41] po [42:41] imbitasyon [42:42] sa [42:42] kanila [42:42] na [42:42] dumalo [42:43] sa [42:43] hearing [42:43] mas [42:44] minabuti [42:44] po [42:44] nilang [42:45] magtungo [42:46] sa [42:46] opisina [42:46] ni [42:46] Senator [42:47] Robin [42:47] Padilla [42:47] at [42:48] doon [42:49] po [42:49] magmonitor [42:50] at [42:51] maglive [42:51] din [42:52] yung [42:52] labing [42:53] walong [42:53] bodyguard [42:56] at [42:56] magpa [42:57] preskon. [42:58] Yun lamang po [42:59] I just [42:59] want to [43:00] let [43:00] everybody [43:01] know [43:01] that [43:01] they're [43:01] here [43:02] in [43:02] the [43:02] building [43:02] yung [43:03] labing [43:03] walo [43:03] po [43:03] na yun [43:04] kasama [43:04] si [43:04] Attorney [43:04] Baligod [43:05] pero [43:06] ayaw [43:06] po [43:06] nilang [43:06] bumabali [43:07] dito [43:08] sa [43:08] ating [43:08] hearing [43:09] at [43:10] nandoon [43:10] po [43:10] sila [43:11] sa [43:11] tanggapan [43:11] ni [43:11] Senator [43:12] Robin [43:12] Padilla. [43:13] Continue [43:13] Attorney [43:14] Baligod. [43:15] Yes [43:15] go [43:16] ahead [43:16] Mr. [43:17] Chair [43:18] for the record [43:19] lang po [43:19] bagamat [43:20] ito pong [43:22] dinadaos [43:23] natin [43:23] ngayon [43:24] sa pamumuno [43:25] ninyo [43:25] na Blue Ribbon [43:26] Committee [43:26] ay meeting [43:27] pero [43:28] inaasahan [43:29] ko rin po [43:30] na [43:30] iimbitahan [43:32] ng [43:32] chair [43:32] itong [43:34] 18x [43:34] bodyguards [43:35] sa [43:37] hearing [43:37] kapag [43:38] fully [43:38] constituted [43:39] na yung [43:39] committee [43:40] and [43:41] dapat [43:41] po [43:42] hindi [43:43] nila [43:43] baliwalain [43:44] yung [43:44] impitasyon [43:44] ng [43:45] committee [43:45] dahil [43:47] pag [43:47] ginawa [43:48] pa nila [43:48] po [43:48] iyon [43:49] magiging [43:49] subject [43:50] po [43:50] sila [43:50] sa [43:50] subpina [43:52] and [43:52] show [43:52] cause [43:52] order [43:53] at [43:53] higit [43:54] pa [43:54] mula [43:55] sa [43:55] committee [43:55] Salamat [43:56] po [43:56] Mr. [43:57] Chair [43:57] Noted [43:57] po [43:58] Senator [43:58] Tiberos [43:59] gagawin [44:00] po [44:00] natin [44:00] yan [44:00] pero [44:00] for [44:01] now [44:01] kasi [44:01] ang [44:01] ginawa [44:01] po [44:02] natin [44:02] ay [44:03] anibitahan [44:03] lamang [44:03] natin [44:04] dahil [44:04] ito [44:04] po [44:04] isang [44:05] meeting [44:06] lamang [44:06] organizational [44:08] meeting [44:09] po [44:09] ng [44:09] Blue [44:09] Ribbon [44:10] committee [44:10] kaya [44:11] po [44:11] hindi [44:11] po [44:11] natin [44:12] mapapwersa [44:12] yung [44:12] mga [44:13] yun [44:13] pero [44:13] inibitahan [44:14] po [44:14] rin [44:14] natin [44:14] gayon [44:15] pa [44:15] man [44:15] noong [44:16] po [44:16] merkeles [44:16] para [44:17] walang [44:17] masabi [44:18] po [44:18] yung [44:18] kabilang [44:18] grupo [44:19] yung [44:20] minority [44:20] black [44:21] na [44:21] iniiwas [44:22] po [44:22] natin [44:23] at [44:23] ayaw [44:23] natin [44:23] sila [44:24] imbitahan [44:24] so [44:24] for [44:24] the [44:25] record [44:25] po [44:25] nabanggit [44:26] po [44:33] at [44:35] nagpahayag [44:35] na po [44:35] sila [44:36] kani-kanina [44:36] lamang [44:37] na hindi [44:37] po sila [44:37] bawaba [44:38] rito [44:38] sila [44:39] po [44:39] ay [44:40] bisita [44:41] ni [44:41] senator [44:42] robin [44:42] padilla [44:43] mr. [44:44] president [44:44] mr. [44:45] chairman [44:45] just [44:45] just [44:46] for [44:46] the [44:46] record [44:46] baka [44:48] kasi [44:48] hindi [44:48] naintindihan [44:49] masyado [44:49] ng [44:49] ating [44:49] mga [44:51] mga [44:52] kababayan [44:52] kaya [44:53] ito [44:54] ay [44:54] hindi [44:54] hearing [44:55] at [44:56] ito [44:56] ay [44:57] committee [44:58] meeting [44:59] consultative [45:00] meeting [45:01] ay dahil [45:02] kinikilala [45:02] natin [45:03] na [45:04] hindi [45:04] pa [45:05] nahahal [45:05] lahat [45:07] ng [45:07] membro [45:08] ng [45:09] committee [45:09] on [45:10] public [45:11] accountability [45:11] at [45:12] dahil [45:12] hindi [45:13] panahal [45:13] lahat [45:14] ng [45:14] membro [45:15] hindi [45:16] pa [45:16] constituted [45:17] ang [45:17] committee [45:17] although [45:19] the [45:20] chairperson [45:20] has [45:21] been [45:21] elected [45:22] and [45:22] the [45:23] chairperson [45:23] as [45:24] legislative [45:25] practice [45:26] will [45:27] reveal [45:28] has [45:28] from [45:29] time [45:29] to [45:29] time [45:29] been [45:30] allowed [45:31] by [45:31] practice [45:32] to [45:32] hold [45:32] consultative [45:33] meetings [45:34] even [45:35] if [45:35] there [45:36] is [45:36] no [45:36] quorum [45:36] even [45:37] if [45:38] the [45:38] committee [45:38] has [45:38] not [45:39] been [45:39] fully [45:39] constituted [45:40] and [45:42] also [45:42] yes [45:43] that [45:43] is [45:44] correct [45:44] is [45:44] empowered [45:45] to [45:45] designate [45:46] a [45:46] vice [45:46] chairman [45:47] so [45:47] in [45:47] the [45:47] meantime [45:48] because [45:48] we [45:49] are [45:49] have [45:50] not [45:51] out [45:51] of [45:51] respect [45:52] for [45:52] our [45:53] colleagues [45:53] in [45:53] the [45:53] minority [45:54] this [45:55] is [46:05] in [46:05] contrast [46:06] to [46:06] the [46:07] the [46:07] previous [46:07] bogus [46:10] hearing [46:11] last [46:11] Thursday [46:12] wherein [46:13] the [46:13] Blue [46:14] Ribbon [46:14] Committee [46:14] precisely [46:15] had [46:15] been [46:17] declared [46:17] vacant [46:18] and [46:19] even [46:19] before [46:20] we [46:20] removed [46:21] the [46:21] Senate [46:21] president [46:22] former [46:23] Senate [46:23] president [46:24] they [46:25] already [46:25] sent [46:28] out [46:28] notices [46:28] for [46:29] that [46:29] June [46:29] 4 [46:30] hearing [46:31] which [46:32] again [46:32] is an [46:34] indication [46:34] of their [46:34] disregard [46:35] for our [46:36] rules [46:36] in the [46:38] Senate [46:38] just [46:39] for the [46:40] record [46:40] Mr. [46:42] Chair [46:42] person [46:42] thank [46:43] you [46:43] for [46:43] that [46:43] clarification [46:44] go ahead [46:45] in fact [46:51] doon [46:52] sa [46:52] bogus [46:52] hearing [46:53] nagpakita [46:54] at [46:54] nagsalita [46:55] yung [46:55] 18x [46:56] bodyguards [46:57] at [46:57] saka [46:57] si [46:58] attorney [46:58] baligod [46:59] so [47:00] although [47:00] of course [47:01] I submit [47:01] to what [47:01] the [47:02] chair [47:02] has [47:02] said [47:02] na [47:02] di [47:03] naman [47:03] sila [47:04] mapipilit [47:04] dumalo [47:05] dito [47:06] sa [47:06] ating [47:06] meeting [47:06] bilang [47:07] mga [47:07] guests [47:08] I [47:08] think [47:08] loss [47:09] po [47:09] sa [47:09] kanila [47:10] na [47:10] hindi [47:11] sila [47:11] humarap [47:11] sa [47:11] committee [47:12] hearing [47:12] na [47:12] ito [47:13] para [47:13] matanong [47:14] din [47:14] natin [47:15] ibang [47:16] mga [47:16] senador [47:17] and [47:17] yung [47:17] mga [47:17] miyembro [47:18] magiging [47:19] miyembro [47:19] ng [47:20] committee [47:21] once [47:22] constituted [47:22] dahil [47:23] naghanda [47:23] rin [47:23] po tayo [47:24] ng [47:24] mga [47:24] tanong [47:25] sa [47:25] kanila [47:25] just [47:26] for [47:26] the [47:26] record [47:26] Mr. [47:27] Chair [47:27] Salamat [47:27] po [47:28] Mr. Chairman [47:28] just [47:28] to [47:29] emphasize [47:29] na [47:30] yung [47:30] June [47:30] 3 [47:31] klarong [47:32] klaro [47:32] na [47:33] noong [47:34] din [47:34] clear [47:35] all [47:35] seats [47:35] vacant [47:36] ang [47:37] inelect [47:37] natin [47:38] as [47:38] chairman [47:39] of [47:39] the [47:39] Blue [47:39] Ribbon [47:40] Committee [47:40] ay [47:41] no [47:41] other [47:41] than [47:42] Senator [47:43] Irwin [47:43] Tulfo [47:43] so [47:44] siya [47:45] lang [47:45] may [47:45] karapatan [47:46] na [47:46] tumawag [47:46] ng [47:46] ganitong [47:47] consultative [47:48] meeting [47:48] at [47:49] siya [47:49] lang [47:49] may [47:49] karapatan [47:50] para [47:50] mag [47:51] issue [47:51] ng [47:51] invitations [47:52] through [47:53] the [47:54] Blue [47:54] Ribbon [47:54] Secretariat [47:55] so [47:55] let me [47:55] just [47:56] put [47:56] that [47:56] on [47:56] record [47:56] thank [47:58] you [47:58] Mr. [48:01] Senate [48:02] Pro Tempore [48:02] Acting [48:03] President [48:04] Wien [48:05] Gachalian [48:05] Kuhad [48:06] Attorney [48:06] Matibag [48:07] may [48:08] approach [48:08] po [48:09] there's [48:10] an [48:10] important [48:11] thing [48:11] that [48:11] I [48:12] want [48:12] to [48:12] relay [48:12] sa [48:12] inyo [48:13] po [48:13] pwede [48:13] po [48:13] lumapit [48:14] dyan [48:14] because [48:15] I [48:15] cannot [48:15] say [48:16] one [48:16] minute [48:17] suspension [48:17] please [51:03] continue [51:04] with [51:04] your [51:04] presentation [51:04] thank [51:05] you [51:05] your [51:06] honor [51:06] slide [51:08] next [51:08] slide [51:09] is [51:09] conclusion [51:09] and [51:10] evidence [51:10] sa [51:11] kabuan [51:12] hindi [51:12] sapat [51:13] ang [51:13] abidibit [51:13] para [51:14] magpatunay [51:14] ng [51:15] probable [51:15] cause [51:15] kahit [51:16] marami [51:17] ang [51:17] nagsalita [51:18] kung [51:18] walang [51:19] independent [51:19] evidence [51:20] mahina [51:21] ang [51:21] kaso [51:21] ang [51:22] abidibit [51:23] hindi [51:23] sapat [51:24] na [51:24] basihan [51:24] para [51:25] mag [51:25] file [51:25] ng [51:25] kaso [51:26] sa [51:27] report [51:27] binanggit [51:28] na kahit [51:29] hearsay [51:29] ay pwedeng [51:30] gamitin [51:30] sa [51:30] preliminary [51:31] investigation [51:31] pero [51:33] dapat [51:33] ay may [51:33] substantial [51:34] basis [51:34] nawala [51:36] sa [51:36] kasong [51:36] ito [51:37] ang [51:37] assertions [51:38] ay [51:39] uncorroborated [51:40] at [51:41] ang [51:41] mga [51:41] affiant [51:41] ay [51:42] hindi [51:42] nakakita [51:43] ng [51:44] material [51:44] facts [51:44] public [51:49] representation [51:50] balik po tayo [51:52] sa pag-label [51:53] nila [51:53] ng [51:53] 18 [51:54] marines [51:54] ipinakilala [51:56] ang [51:56] grupo [51:56] bilang [51:57] 18 [51:57] marines [51:58] na parang [51:59] may dagdag [51:59] na [51:59] integridad [52:00] halimbawa [52:02] ginamit [52:03] ang [52:03] label [52:03] na ito [52:04] sa [52:04] media [52:04] para [52:05] palakasin [52:05] ng [52:06] kredibilidad [52:06] ng [52:07] grupo [52:07] kahit [52:08] hindi [52:08] naman [52:08] miyembro [52:09] ay [52:10] tunay [52:10] ng [52:10] marines [52:10] sa [52:11] report [52:12] lumabas [52:13] na may [52:13] army [52:13] reservists [52:14] at [52:14] sibilyan [52:15] at [52:15] silama [52:16] sa [52:16] grupo [52:16] ang [52:16] popular [52:17] narrative [52:17] na [52:17] marine [52:18] honor [52:18] code [52:19] ay [52:19] hindi [52:19] tugma [52:20] sa [52:20] actual [52:20] na [52:21] record [52:21] katunayan [52:22] nakita [52:23] na [52:23] natin [52:23] ang [52:24] AFP [52:24] at [52:24] marines [52:25] naglabas [52:25] na ng [52:25] pahayag [52:26] na huwag [52:27] silang [52:27] tawaging [52:27] 18 [52:28] marines [52:29] at [52:29] pag [52:30] hindi [52:30] po [52:30] honorably [52:31] discharged [52:31] hindi [52:32] po [52:32] makukonsidera [52:33] na sila [52:34] ay napabilang [52:34] sa [52:34] marine [52:35] core [52:35] next [52:36] slide [52:36] please [52:36] next [52:40] slide [52:40] actual [52:44] composition [52:45] sa [52:45] totoo [52:46] lang [52:46] ilan [52:47] lang [52:47] ang [52:47] honorably [52:47] retired [52:48] ang [52:49] iba [52:49] ay [52:49] discharged [52:50] o [52:50] hindi [52:50] talaga [52:50] marines [52:51] halimbawa [52:52] sa [52:52] breakdown [52:53] ng [52:53] NBI [52:53] tatlo [52:54] lang [52:54] ang [52:54] honorably [52:55] retired [52:56] labindalawa [52:57] ang [52:58] dishonorably [52:59] discharged [53:00] at [53:00] may [53:00] army [53:01] reservists [53:01] at [53:01] sibilyan [53:02] karamihan [53:03] pa [53:03] po [53:03] rito [53:04] ay [53:04] merong [53:04] mga [53:05] naging [53:05] kaso [53:06] at [53:06] merong [53:07] isa [53:07] na [53:07] merong [53:07] pang [53:08] patuloy [53:08] na [53:08] dinidinig [53:09] na [53:09] kaso [53:09] ang [53:10] popular [53:11] narrative [53:11] na [53:12] marine [53:12] honor [53:12] code [53:13] ay [53:13] hindi [53:13] tugma [53:14] sa [53:14] actual [53:14] record [53:15] ang [53:15] Philippine [53:16] Marine Corps [53:16] mismo [53:17] ang [53:17] nagsabing [53:17] karamihan [53:18] ay [53:18] dishonorably [53:19] discharged [53:20] at [53:20] maikli [53:20] lamang [53:21] ang [53:21] servisyo [53:21] meron [53:22] po [53:22] rito [53:22] sampung [53:23] buwan [53:23] lang [53:24] na [53:24] nagservisyo [53:25] sa [53:25] marine [53:25] nag [53:26] awol [53:26] na [53:26] po [53:26] at [53:28] ang [53:28] karagdagan [53:29] po [53:29] rito [53:29] para [53:31] tawagin [53:32] sila [53:32] na [53:32] marines [53:33] matagal [53:34] na po [53:34] yung [53:34] ibang [53:35] wala [53:35] sa [53:35] marine [53:35] service [53:36] bago [53:36] po [53:37] na [53:37] recruit [53:37] ng [53:38] grupo [53:38] ni [53:38] dating [53:39] congressman [53:39] Saldico [53:40] next [53:41] slide [53:42] please [53:42] effect [53:46] of [53:46] credibility [53:47] nagkakaroon [53:47] ng [53:48] maling [53:48] akala [53:49] na [53:49] lahat [53:50] ay [53:50] may [53:50] mataas [53:50] na [53:50] integridad [53:51] dahil [53:51] sa [53:51] titulo [53:52] kahit [53:53] hindi [53:53] naman [53:53] totoo [53:53] halimbawa [53:55] ang [53:55] publiko [53:55] ay [53:55] naniniwala [53:56] na [53:56] ang [53:56] grupo [53:56] ay [53:57] may [53:57] marine [53:57] values [53:58] pero [53:58] may [53:59] mga [53:59] miyembro [53:59] na [53:59] may [54:00] record [54:00] ng [54:00] misconduct [54:01] o [54:01] hindi [54:01] naman [54:02] tunay [54:02] na [54:02] marines [54:03] sa [54:03] report [54:04] mismo [54:04] ng [54:04] Philippine [54:05] Marine Corps [54:05] ang [54:05] nasabing [54:06] karamihan [54:06] ay [54:07] dishonorably [54:07] discharged [54:08] at [54:08] maikli [54:08] lamang [54:09] ang [54:09] servisyo [54:10] ang [54:10] invocation [54:11] ng [54:11] marine [54:11] honor [54:12] ay [54:12] walang [54:12] institutional [54:13] basis [54:13] sa [54:13] grupo [54:14] na [54:14] ito [54:16] next [54:16] slide [54:16] please [54:17] legal [54:19] impact [54:19] of [54:20] title [54:20] marines [54:20] sa [54:21] korte [54:22] ebidensya [54:23] ang [54:23] malaga [54:23] hindi [54:24] ang [54:24] label [54:24] o [54:24] titulo [54:25] kahit [54:26] paex [54:26] marine [54:27] ang [54:27] tawag [54:27] kung [54:28] walang [54:28] sapat [54:28] na [54:28] ebidensya [54:29] hindi [54:30] ito [54:30] magpapalakas [54:31] ng [54:31] kaso [54:31] courts [54:33] rely [54:33] on [54:34] evidence [54:34] not [54:35] on [54:35] labels [54:36] sa [54:37] report [54:37] binanggit [54:38] na [54:38] invocation [54:40] ng [54:40] marine [54:40] honor [54:40] ay [54:41] walang [54:41] institutional [54:41] basis [54:42] sa [54:42] grupo [54:42] ang [54:43] supreme [54:44] court [54:44] ay [54:44] nagsabi [54:45] ng [54:45] probative [54:45] value [54:46] ay [54:46] nakasalalay [54:47] sa [54:47] personal [54:47] knowledge [54:48] hindi [54:49] sa [54:49] titulo [54:49] o [54:50] sa [54:50] label [54:50] independent [54:55] recollection [54:56] ang [54:57] tunay [54:58] na [54:58] malakas [54:59] na [54:59] ebidensya [54:59] ay [55:00] galing [55:00] sa [55:00] sariling [55:01] karanasan [55:01] ng [55:02] testigo [55:02] halimbawa [55:03] kung [55:04] ang [55:04] testigo [55:04] ay [55:04] actual [55:05] nakakita [55:05] at [55:06] nakaranas [55:07] ng [55:07] kas [55:07] delivery [55:08] mas [55:09] malakas [55:09] ang [55:09] payat [55:10] sa [55:10] report [55:10] may [55:11] ilang [55:11] appayant [55:12] na [55:12] nagsabing [55:12] nakita [55:13] nila [55:13] ang [55:13] kas [55:13] pero [55:14] karimian [55:15] ay [55:15] umasa [55:15] lamang [55:16] sa [55:16] kwento [55:16] ng [55:16] iba [55:17] ang [55:17] logistics [55:18] ng [55:18] operation [55:19] ay [55:19] corroborated [55:20] pero [55:20] ang [55:21] core [55:21] allegation [55:22] na [55:22] kas [55:23] pinagsama-sama [55:37] ang [55:37] pahayag [55:37] ng [55:37] grupo [55:38] sa [55:38] isang [55:38] abinibit [55:39] halimbawa [55:40] may [55:40] mga [55:40] miyembro [55:41] na [55:41] hindi [55:41] alam [55:41] ang [55:41] buong [55:42] kwento [55:42] pero [55:43] isinama [55:44] ang [55:44] kanilang [55:44] pahayag [55:45] sa [55:45] collective [55:45] narrative [55:46] sa [55:47] report [55:47] mismo [55:47] ng [55:47] appayant [55:48] ng [55:48] nasabing [55:48] hinalo [55:49] halong [55:49] abinibit [55:50] at [55:50] binoo [55:50] ng [55:51] kanilang [55:52] cancel [55:53] na [55:53] si [55:53] Atty. [55:53] Baligod [55:54] ang [55:54] collective [55:55] execution [55:55] ay [55:56] hindi [55:56] nagko-convert [55:57] ng [55:57] hearsay [55:58] sa [55:58] personal [55:58] knowledge [55:59] next [56:08] tandaan [56:09] ng [56:09] koordinasyon [56:10] ng [56:10] group [56:10] discussions [56:11] shared [56:12] preparation [56:12] halimbawa [56:13] bago [56:14] gumawa [56:14] ng [56:14] abinibit [56:15] nagkaroon [56:15] ng [56:15] group [56:15] meeting [56:16] para [56:17] pag-usapan [56:18] ng [56:18] mga [56:18] sasabihin [56:19] sa [56:19] report [56:20] na [56:20] binanggit [56:20] na [56:21] ang [56:21] abinibit [56:21] ay [56:21] produkto [56:22] ng [56:22] collective [56:22] briefing [56:23] common [56:24] housing [56:25] at [56:25] cancel [56:25] assembled [56:26] content [56:27] ang [56:27] affiant [56:28] ay [56:28] house [56:28] sa [56:29] cancel [56:29] unit [56:30] na [56:30] may [56:30] real [56:30] time [56:31] coaching [56:31] interview [56:32] anong [56:32] ibig [56:32] sabihin [56:32] po [56:33] nito [56:33] mula [56:34] meron [56:35] testimonya [56:36] doon [56:36] na [56:36] november [56:37] pa lang [56:37] magkakasama [56:37] na sila [56:39] at [56:39] inilabas [56:39] po [56:39] yung [56:40] testimonya [56:40] february [56:41] ang [56:42] ibig [56:42] sabihin [56:43] po [56:43] nito [56:43] bumuo [56:44] sila [56:44] ng [56:44] naratibo [56:45] so [56:46] ang [56:47] nangyari [56:47] po [56:48] kasi [56:48] rito [56:48] yung [56:49] si [56:49] Buduan [56:49] siya [56:51] ang [56:51] nilapitan [56:52] ni [56:52] Atorne [56:53] Baligod [56:53] please [56:53] take note [56:54] na hindi [56:54] po [56:54] sila [56:55] ang [56:55] lumapit [56:55] kay [56:55] Atorne [56:55] Baligod [56:56] kundi [56:57] si [56:57] Atorne [56:58] Baligod [56:58] lumapit [56:59] kay [56:59] Buduan [57:00] at si [57:00] Buduan [57:01] nang [57:01] nag-recruit [57:01] ng mga [57:02] sasama [57:02] po [57:03] rito [57:03] Ano [57:04] pong [57:04] palatandaan [57:05] itong [57:05] na-coordinated [57:07] sinasabi [57:08] naman nila [57:08] lahat sila [57:09] nang galing [57:09] doon sa [57:10] White Plains [57:10] doon po [57:11] sila [57:11] magkakasama [57:12] po sila [57:13] tapos [57:14] inamin [57:14] din [57:14] may umamin [57:15] din [57:16] na may [57:16] nagbibigay [57:16] ng pera [57:17] parang [57:17] allowance [57:18] si Atorne [57:19] Baligod [57:19] kung [57:20] tutuusin [57:20] nga po [57:21] sa aming [57:21] mga [57:21] abugado [57:22] ito [57:22] po [57:23] ay [57:23] violation [57:24] ng [57:24] Code [57:24] of [57:24] Professional [57:25] Responsibility [57:26] and [57:31] financial [57:31] consideration [57:32] papasok po [57:33] ito sa [57:34] tinatawag [57:34] na [57:34] champer [57:35] tubus [57:35] contract [57:36] na maaaring [57:36] meron kang [57:37] inaasahang [57:37] kapalit [57:38] sa pagtulong [57:39] mo sa [57:39] iyong [57:39] abugado [57:40] magkaiba [57:41] po ito [57:41] doon sa [57:41] tinatawag [57:42] na [57:42] contingent [57:43] basis [57:43] na [57:44] agreement [57:45] ng [57:45] pagiging [57:45] abugado [57:46] sinabidad [57:49] po [57:49] mismo [57:49] halimbawa [57:50] that [57:51] Baligod [57:51] suggested [57:52] to [57:52] Buduan [57:53] that [57:53] 18 [57:54] should [57:54] instill [57:55] in [57:55] Baligod's [57:55] residence [57:56] so [57:57] in-offer [57:57] po [57:57] talaga [57:57] yung [57:58] tirahan [57:58] meron [57:59] po [57:59] talagang [57:59] pag-aalok [58:00] na [58:02] pumunta [58:03] po [58:03] at si Buduan [58:04] is one [58:05] of those [58:05] who are [58:05] dishonorably [58:06] discharged [58:07] ang kaso [58:08] po niya [58:08] rito [58:09] corruption [58:09] si Buduan [58:10] siya po [58:11] isa kasama [58:12] doon sa [58:12] volunteer [58:13] sa Golan [58:13] yung [58:14] peacekeeping [58:15] na pinadala [58:15] natin [58:16] so [58:16] meron [58:17] po [58:17] kaming [58:17] halimbawa [58:18] lang po [58:18] yun [58:18] ang NBI [58:19] po [58:19] ay may [58:19] record [58:20] service [58:21] record [58:21] ng lahat [58:22] po [58:22] ng [58:22] 18 [58:23] ito [58:24] legal [58:27] implication [58:28] ayon [58:29] sa [58:29] batas [58:29] kapag [58:30] coordinated [58:30] ang [58:31] testimony [58:31] bumababa [58:32] ang [58:33] probative [58:33] value [58:34] nito [58:34] halimbawa [58:35] kung pare-pareho [58:36] ang wording [58:37] ng [58:37] abinibit [58:37] maaaring [58:38] indikasyon [58:39] ng [58:39] coaching [58:40] o [58:40] collusion [58:41] coordinated [58:42] testimony [58:43] reduces [58:44] probative [58:44] value [58:45] sa report [58:46] na [58:46] binanggit [58:47] ng [58:47] Supreme [58:48] Court [58:49] na [58:49] doctrine [58:50] ng [58:50] coordinated [58:50] testimony [58:51] ay may [58:52] diminish [58:52] weight [58:53] ang [58:53] collective [58:54] narrative [58:54] ay [58:54] hindi [58:55] reliable [58:55] marker [58:57] ng [58:57] independent [58:57] testimonial [58:58] reliability [59:00] when [59:02] multiple [59:02] witnesses [59:03] function [59:03] like [59:04] synchronized [59:05] recorders [59:05] the [59:06] testimony [59:06] fails [59:07] the [59:07] test [59:07] of [59:08] personal [59:08] knowledge [59:09] and [59:09] perception [59:10] required [59:10] under [59:11] rule [59:11] 130 [59:12] section [59:13] 37 [59:13] of the [59:14] rules [59:14] of [59:15] court [59:15] because [59:16] the [59:16] court [59:16] cannot [59:16] determine [59:17] where [59:18] the [59:18] real [59:18] observation [59:19] ends [59:19] and [59:20] the [59:20] script [59:21] begins [59:21] the [59:22] probative [59:23] value [59:23] of the [59:23] synchronized [59:24] statement [59:24] are [59:25] discarded [59:25] entirely [59:26] ito [59:27] decided [59:28] case [59:28] none [59:28] ng [59:28] supreme [59:29] court [59:29] sa [59:29] people [59:30] versus [59:30] centeno [59:31] the [59:31] supreme [59:32] court [59:32] explicitly [59:33] stated [59:34] that [59:34] perfect [59:35] symmetry [59:35] among [59:36] testimony [59:37] does not [59:37] inspire [59:38] belief [59:38] instead [59:39] it [59:40] breeds [59:41] suspicion [59:41] that [59:42] the [59:42] testimonies [59:43] were [59:43] rehearsed [59:44] or [59:45] concocted [59:45] next [59:47] slide [59:48] please [59:48] key [59:51] distinction [59:51] between [59:52] independent [59:53] and [59:53] collective [59:54] independent [1:00:04] malakas [1:00:04] na [1:00:05] ebidensya [1:00:05] collective [1:00:06] mahina [1:00:07] ang [1:00:07] independent [1:00:08] recollection [1:00:09] ay personal [1:00:10] nakaranasan [1:00:11] samantalang [1:00:12] ang [1:00:12] collective [1:00:12] narrative [1:00:13] ay pinaghalo-halong [1:00:14] kwento [1:00:15] ng grupo [1:00:15] sa report [1:00:17] lumalabas [1:00:18] ng logistics [1:00:19] ng [1:00:19] operation [1:00:20] ay [1:00:20] corroborated [1:00:21] pero [1:00:21] ang core [1:00:22] allegation [1:00:23] nakas [1:00:23] ang laman [1:00:24] ng [1:00:24] maleta [1:00:24] ay [1:00:25] madalas [1:00:25] hearsay [1:00:26] lamang [1:00:26] next [1:00:27] slide [1:00:27] please [1:00:27] integrated [1:00:32] findings [1:00:32] with [1:00:33] evidence [1:00:33] misleading [1:00:34] title [1:00:34] non-independent [1:00:35] testimony [1:00:36] tatlong [1:00:36] issue [1:00:37] mahina [1:00:38] ang [1:00:38] ebidensya [1:00:39] misleading [1:00:40] ang title [1:00:41] at [1:00:41] hindi [1:00:41] independent [1:00:42] ng [1:00:42] testimony [1:00:42] ang [1:00:43] opinion [1:00:44] ay [1:00:44] hindi [1:00:44] sapat [1:00:45] ang [1:00:45] ex-marine [1:00:46] ay [1:00:46] misleading [1:00:47] at [1:00:47] ang [1:00:48] testimony [1:00:48] ay [1:00:49] coordinated [1:00:49] sa report [1:00:51] binanggit [1:00:51] na walang [1:00:52] credible [1:00:52] witness [1:00:53] na [1:00:53] makapapatunay [1:00:54] ng [1:00:55] buong [1:00:55] allegation [1:00:56] at [1:00:56] photographic [1:00:57] evidence [1:00:58] ay compromise [1:00:59] ang political [1:01:00] context [1:01:01] ang kaso [1:01:02] na nagpapakita [1:01:03] na coordinated [1:01:04] ang operation [1:01:05] hindi [1:01:05] independent [1:01:06] whistleblowing [1:01:07] ano pong [1:01:07] ibig [1:01:08] sabihin [1:01:08] nito [1:01:08] dahil [1:01:09] kinocoach [1:01:10] depende po [1:01:11] sa political [1:01:12] perception [1:01:14] or political [1:01:14] belief [1:01:15] ng tao [1:01:16] ang halimbawa [1:01:17] na nga po [1:01:18] rito [1:01:18] doon sa mga [1:01:18] unang [1:01:19] lumabas [1:01:19] na [1:01:19] abinibit [1:01:20] binabanggit [1:01:20] po yung [1:01:20] dalawang [1:01:21] senador [1:01:21] pero [1:01:22] nung [1:01:22] nagiba [1:01:23] na yung [1:01:23] alyansa [1:01:23] nung [1:01:24] senador [1:01:24] iba [1:01:24] na po [1:01:25] yung [1:01:25] abinibit [1:01:26] at may [1:01:26] mga [1:01:26] dadagdag [1:01:27] pa po [1:01:27] na [1:01:28] personalidad [1:01:28] last [1:01:30] slides [1:01:30] na po [1:01:30] ano [1:01:33] po [1:01:33] ang [1:01:33] konklusyon [1:01:34] dito [1:01:34] po [1:01:34] sa aming [1:01:35] ginawang [1:01:35] pag-iimbestiga [1:01:36] hindi [1:01:37] napatunayan [1:01:38] ang mga [1:01:38] aligasyon [1:01:39] base sa [1:01:39] ebidensyang [1:01:40] iniharap [1:01:41] walang [1:01:41] sapat na [1:01:42] personal [1:01:42] knowledge [1:01:43] puro [1:01:43] hearsay [1:01:44] walang [1:01:45] corroboration [1:01:45] at [1:01:46] coordinated [1:01:46] ang [1:01:47] narrative [1:01:47] ang [1:01:48] abinibit [1:01:49] ay hindi [1:01:49] sapat [1:01:50] na basihan [1:01:50] para [1:01:50] magpile [1:01:51] ng [1:01:51] kaso [1:01:52] sa report [1:01:53] binanggit [1:01:53] na ang [1:01:54] joint [1:01:54] abinibit [1:01:54] ay hindi [1:01:55] self-sufficient [1:01:56] basis [1:01:56] for [1:01:57] probable [1:01:57] cause [1:01:57] at [1:01:59] bawat [1:01:59] aligasyon [1:02:00] ay dapat [1:02:00] ay [1:02:01] independent [1:02:01] competent [1:02:02] at [1:02:03] authenticated [1:02:03] evidence [1:02:04] ang tanong [1:02:05] ay hindi [1:02:05] kong possible [1:02:06] ang pangyari [1:02:07] kundi [1:02:08] napatunayan [1:02:09] sila [1:02:09] batay [1:02:10] sa [1:02:10] ebidensya [1:02:10] at [1:02:11] ang kasong [1:02:11] ito [1:02:12] hindi [1:02:12] nila [1:02:13] napatunayan [1:02:14] maraming [1:02:14] salamat [1:02:15] po [1:02:15] and [1:02:15] we can [1:02:15] submit [1:02:16] the full [1:02:16] report [1:02:16] to the [1:02:17] committee [1:02:18] thank you [1:02:19] yes [1:02:20] and [1:02:21] just [1:02:22] an [1:02:22] administrative [1:02:23] matter [1:02:23] to [1:02:23] the [1:02:24] director [1:02:24] the [1:02:25] report [1:02:25] please [1:02:26] and [1:02:26] the [1:02:26] attachments [1:02:27] including [1:02:27] the [1:02:27] affidavits [1:02:28] of [1:02:28] the [1:02:29] six [1:02:30] or [1:02:30] five [1:02:31] five [1:02:32] po [1:02:32] yung [1:02:32] pumirma [1:02:33] po [1:02:33] yes [1:02:33] pero [1:02:33] we're [1:02:34] able [1:02:34] to [1:02:34] get [1:02:34] everyone [1:02:35] recorded [1:02:36] po [1:02:37] ito [1:02:37] so [1:02:37] the [1:02:38] report [1:02:38] plus [1:02:39] the [1:02:39] attachments [1:02:39] so that [1:02:40] we have [1:02:40] a full [1:02:41] appreciation [1:02:42] of your [1:02:43] documents [1:02:43] thank you [1:02:44] so thank [1:02:44] you [1:02:45] mr [1:02:45] chairman [1:02:45] thank [1:02:46] you [1:02:46] attorney [1:02:46] senator [1:02:48] do you [1:02:51] have [1:02:51] any [1:02:52] presentations [1:02:52] or [1:02:53] opening [1:02:53] statement [1:02:54] please [1:02:54] make [1:02:55] it [1:02:55] brief [1:02:55] our [1:02:57] invited [1:02:57] guests [1:02:58] the [1:02:59] prosecutor [1:03:00] general [1:03:01] project [1:03:02] general [1:03:03] good morning [1:03:05] mr. [1:03:05] chair [1:03:06] good morning [1:03:07] honorable [1:03:07] senators [1:03:07] members of [1:03:08] the [1:03:08] committee [1:03:08] we do [1:03:09] not have [1:03:09] a [1:03:09] presentation [1:03:10] mr. [1:03:10] chair [1:03:11] although [1:03:11] we have [1:03:11] a report [1:03:12] on the [1:03:13] status [1:03:13] of the [1:03:13] cases [1:03:14] that [1:03:14] have [1:03:14] been [1:03:14] filed [1:03:15] and [1:03:15] investigated [1:03:15] by [1:03:16] the [1:03:16] department [1:03:16] of [1:03:16] justice [1:03:17] as of [1:03:18] june [1:03:18] 5 [1:03:18] 20 [1:03:19] 26 [1:03:19] there [1:03:20] were [1:03:20] 14 [1:03:20] cases [1:03:21] which [1:03:21] were [1:03:21] endorsed [1:03:22] to [1:03:22] the [1:03:22] department [1:03:23] of [1:03:23] justice [1:03:23] for [1:03:24] preliminary [1:03:24] investigation [1:03:25] 13 [1:03:26] of these [1:03:27] have been [1:03:27] endorsed [1:03:28] already [1:03:28] or have [1:03:28] been [1:03:29] resolved [1:03:29] and have [1:03:29] been [1:03:29] endorsed [1:03:30] to the [1:03:30] office [1:03:30] of the [1:03:31] ombudsman [1:03:31] for [1:03:31] approval [1:03:32] some [1:03:32] of them [1:03:33] have [1:03:33] already [1:03:33] been [1:03:33] approved [1:03:34] and [1:03:34] in [1:03:35] fact [1:03:35] some [1:03:35] of [1:03:35] the [1:03:35] cases [1:03:36] have [1:03:36] already [1:03:36] been [1:03:36] filed [1:03:36] before [1:03:37] the [1:03:37] appropriate [1:03:37] courts [1:03:38] the [1:03:39] remaining [1:03:39] case [1:03:40] before [1:03:40] the [1:03:40] department [1:03:45] roberto [1:03:46] bernardo [1:03:47] jerry [1:03:47] alcantara [1:03:50] corona [1:03:50] manny [1:03:51] bolosan [1:03:52] ruel [1:03:52] umali [1:03:53] arturo [1:03:53] gonzalez [1:03:54] for [1:03:54] violation [1:03:55] of [1:03:55] republic [1:03:56] act [1:03:56] 3019 [1:03:57] or the [1:03:58] anti-graft [1:03:59] and corrupt [1:03:59] practices [1:04:00] act [1:04:00] plunder [1:04:01] under [1:04:01] republic [1:04:02] act [1:04:02] 7080 [1:04:03] and [1:04:04] article [1:04:06] 210 [1:04:07] of the [1:04:07] revised [1:04:07] penal [1:04:08] code [1:04:08] this case [1:04:09] is now [1:04:09] just being [1:04:10] edited [1:04:10] before [1:04:11] it will [1:04:11] be [1:04:11] subjected [1:04:12] for [1:04:12] review [1:04:13] and [1:04:13] then [1:04:13] for [1:04:13] final [1:04:13] approval [1:04:14] apart [1:04:15] from [1:04:15] these [1:04:15] cases [1:04:16] Mr. [1:04:17] Chair [1:04:17] there [1:04:17] are [1:04:18] also [1:04:18] Bureau [1:04:19] of [1:04:19] Internal [1:04:20] Revenue [1:04:20] cases [1:04:20] that [1:04:21] were [1:04:21] filed [1:04:21] against [1:04:22] several [1:04:22] personalities [1:04:23] there [1:04:23] were [1:04:24] 20 [1:04:24] BIR [1:04:24] cases [1:04:25] filed [1:04:25] with [1:04:25] the [1:04:26] Department [1:04:26] of [1:04:26] Justice [1:04:26] from [1:04:27] 2025 [1:04:27] to [1:04:28] 2026 [1:04:29] of [1:04:30] these [1:04:30] cases [1:04:31] seven [1:04:31] have [1:04:31] already [1:04:32] been [1:04:32] filed [1:04:32] in the [1:04:34] corresponding [1:04:35] information [1:04:35] filed [1:04:36] in [1:04:36] court [1:04:36] 12 [1:04:37] have [1:04:37] been [1:04:38] dismissed [1:04:38] and [1:04:38] one [1:04:39] is [1:04:39] submitted [1:04:39] for [1:04:39] resolution [1:04:40] the [1:04:40] remaining [1:04:41] case [1:04:41] is [1:04:41] the [1:04:41] one [1:04:42] which [1:04:42] involves [1:04:43] Mark [1:04:44] Alan [1:04:45] Villamore [1:04:45] Arevalo [1:04:46] of [1:04:46] Wow Wow [1:04:47] Builders [1:04:47] for [1:04:48] violation [1:04:48] of [1:04:49] section [1:04:49] 254 [1:04:50] and 255 [1:04:51] of the [1:04:51] National [1:04:51] Internal [1:04:52] Revenue [1:04:52] Code [1:04:53] of [1:04:53] 1997 [1:04:54] Also [1:04:55] we [1:04:56] would [1:04:56] like [1:04:56] to [1:04:56] report [1:04:56] Mr. [1:04:57] Chair [1:04:57] that [1:04:58] as [1:04:58] of [1:04:59] today [1:04:59] covered [1:05:01] by [1:05:01] the [1:05:01] witness [1:05:01] protection [1:05:02] program [1:05:02] of [1:05:03] the [1:05:03] Department [1:05:03] of [1:05:03] Justice [1:05:04] are [1:05:05] seven [1:05:05] personalities [1:05:06] namely [1:05:08] Yusek [1:05:09] Roberto [1:05:09] Bernardo [1:05:10] Engineer [1:05:10] Henry [1:05:11] Alcantara [1:05:12] Engineer [1:05:12] Gerard [1:05:13] Opalencia [1:05:14] Sally [1:05:15] Santos [1:05:15] Monica [1:05:16] Santos [1:05:17] Virgil [1:05:18] Nino [1:05:18] Garcia [1:05:19] and [1:05:19] Francisco [1:05:20] De La [1:05:20] Fuente [1:05:21] Jr. [1:05:22] And [1:05:22] lastly [1:05:23] we would [1:05:23] like [1:05:23] to [1:05:23] report [1:05:23] Mr. [1:05:24] Chair [1:05:24] that [1:05:25] as [1:05:25] of [1:05:25] today [1:05:26] the [1:05:29] amount [1:05:29] of [1:05:30] people's [1:05:31] money [1:05:31] recovered [1:05:31] and [1:05:32] have [1:05:32] been [1:05:32] turned [1:05:32] over [1:05:33] to [1:05:33] the [1:05:33] land [1:05:33] bank [1:05:34] totals [1:05:35] 841 [1:05:36] million [1:05:37] 381 [1:05:38] thousand [1:05:39] 500 [1:05:39] thousand [1:05:40] 500 [1:05:40] pesos [1:05:41] that's [1:05:42] all [1:05:42] for [1:05:42] the [1:05:42] Department [1:05:43] of [1:05:43] Justice [1:05:43] Mr. [1:05:44] Chair [1:05:44] Thank [1:05:44] you [1:05:44] Thank [1:05:45] you [1:05:45] prosecutor [1:05:46] General [1:05:46] Fadulion [1:05:46] Just [1:05:47] one [1:05:47] quick [1:05:48] question [1:05:48] Where did [1:05:51] this [1:05:51] come [1:05:52] from [1:05:52] is [1:05:52] this [1:05:52] the [1:05:52] result [1:05:53] of [1:05:53] the [1:05:53] Blue [1:05:53] Ribbon [1:05:54] hearing [1:05:54] previous [1:05:55] weeks [1:05:55] and [1:05:55] months [1:05:56] Well [1:05:57] part [1:05:57] of [1:05:57] it [1:05:57] sir [1:05:57] were [1:05:58] as [1:05:59] result [1:05:59] of [1:06:00] the [1:06:00] investigation [1:06:01] or the [1:06:02] hearings [1:06:03] before the [1:06:04] Senate [1:06:04] Blue Ribbon [1:06:04] Committee [1:06:05] which were [1:06:06] followed up [1:06:07] by the [1:06:07] Department [1:06:07] and by the [1:06:08] National Bureau [1:06:09] of Investigation [1:06:10] as a [1:06:10] consequence [1:06:10] of which [1:06:11] cases were [1:06:12] filed [1:06:12] with the [1:06:12] Department [1:06:13] and the [1:06:14] same [1:06:14] were the [1:06:15] ones [1:06:15] subjected [1:06:15] to [1:06:16] preliminary [1:06:16] investigation [1:06:17] sir [1:06:17] Thank [1:06:18] you [1:06:19] prosecutor [1:06:20] general [1:06:20] Fadulion [1:06:21] we now [1:06:22] move to [1:06:22] the [1:06:23] office [1:06:23] of the [1:06:23] ombudsman [1:06:24] attorney [1:06:24] Ravello [1:06:25] or attorney [1:06:26] Batu [1:06:27] do [1:06:28] they have [1:06:28] any [1:06:28] presentation [1:06:29] or [1:06:29] opening [1:06:30] statement [1:06:30] Good [1:06:32] morning [1:06:33] your [1:06:33] honor [1:06:34] good [1:06:35] morning [1:06:35] honorable [1:06:36] chairperson [1:06:37] wala [1:06:38] po [1:06:38] kaming [1:06:39] presentation [1:06:39] but [1:06:40] we also [1:06:40] have [1:06:41] a [1:06:41] report [1:06:41] without [1:06:42] going [1:06:43] into [1:06:43] details [1:06:43] doing [1:06:45] so [1:06:45] might [1:06:46] jeopardize [1:06:46] our [1:06:46] ongoing [1:06:47] investigations [1:06:48] but [1:06:49] I'm [1:06:50] going [1:06:50] to [1:06:50] report [1:06:50] on [1:06:51] the [1:06:51] complaints [1:06:53] received [1:06:54] by our [1:06:54] office [1:06:55] from [1:06:55] 2025 [1:06:56] and [1:06:56] to [1:06:56] 2026 [1:06:57] so [1:06:58] for [1:06:59] 2025 [1:07:00] we have [1:07:01] cases [1:07:02] under [1:07:03] finding [1:07:03] investigation [1:07:04] totaling [1:07:05] to [1:07:05] 124 [1:07:07] and [1:07:07] for [1:07:08] 2026 [1:07:09] meron [1:07:09] po [1:07:09] kaming [1:07:09] pathfinding [1:07:11] investigation [1:07:12] totaling [1:07:13] to [1:07:13] 209 [1:07:14] and [1:07:15] meron [1:07:15] din [1:07:15] po [1:07:16] kaming [1:07:16] undergoing [1:07:16] preliminary [1:07:17] investigation [1:07:18] and [1:07:18] administrative [1:07:19] adjudication [1:07:20] for [1:07:20] 2025 [1:07:21] 29 [1:07:22] po [1:07:23] yun [1:07:23] and [1:07:23] 2026 [1:07:24] meron [1:07:25] pong [1:07:25] lima [1:07:25] as [1:07:26] to [1:07:26] the [1:07:26] cases [1:07:26] filed [1:07:27] in [1:07:27] courts [1:07:27] for [1:07:29] 2025 [1:07:29] meron [1:07:30] pong [1:07:30] isang [1:07:30] na [1:07:30] file [1:07:30] sa [1:07:31] lower [1:07:32] court [1:07:32] and [1:07:33] then [1:07:33] for [1:07:33] 2026 [1:07:34] tatlo [1:07:34] po [1:07:35] dalawa [1:07:35] sa [1:07:35] Sandigan [1:07:36] Bayan [1:07:36] and [1:07:36] one [1:07:36] with [1:07:37] the [1:07:37] lower [1:07:37] court [1:07:37] attorney [1:07:39] but [1:07:40] a [1:07:40] quick [1:07:41] question [1:07:41] long [1:07:42] kasi [1:07:42] the [1:07:42] people [1:07:43] are [1:07:43] wondering [1:07:43] parang [1:07:44] sobrang [1:07:45] bagal [1:07:45] umusad [1:07:46] I mean [1:07:47] the [1:07:47] ombudsman [1:07:47] the office [1:07:48] of the [1:07:48] ombudsman [1:07:48] even [1:07:49] the office [1:07:49] of the [1:07:49] president [1:07:49] was [1:07:50] saying [1:07:50] people [1:07:51] are [1:07:51] waiting [1:07:52] we [1:07:53] want [1:07:53] proof [1:07:53] the [1:07:54] government [1:07:54] is [1:07:54] moving [1:07:55] and [1:07:55] serious [1:07:55] in [1:07:55] this [1:07:56] investigation [1:07:56] the [1:07:57] question [1:08:05] now [1:08:05] the [1:08:05] people [1:08:05] is [1:08:06] like [1:08:06] kailan [1:08:06] po [1:08:06] kaya [1:08:07] lalabas [1:08:07] yung [1:08:07] ibang [1:08:07] mga [1:08:08] warrants [1:08:08] meron [1:08:08] na [1:08:09] bo [1:08:09] bang [1:08:09] palabas [1:08:10] because [1:08:10] we keep [1:08:11] on [1:08:11] investigating [1:08:12] we keep [1:08:12] on [1:08:12] parang [1:08:13] puro [1:08:13] tay [1:08:14] kwento [1:08:14] pero [1:08:14] ala [1:08:14] nam [1:08:15] pung [1:08:15] wenta [1:08:15] ala [1:08:15] nangyayari [1:08:16] kaya [1:08:16] people [1:08:17] are [1:08:17] really [1:08:17] waiting [1:08:18] na [1:08:18] if [1:08:18] this [1:08:18] government [1:08:19] is [1:08:19] serious [1:08:20] in [1:08:20] its [1:08:20] investigation [1:08:21] may [1:08:22] mangyayari [1:08:23] then [1:08:23] can [1:08:24] we [1:08:24] expect [1:08:24] soon [1:08:25] meron [1:08:25] po [1:08:26] mga [1:08:26] arrest [1:08:27] warrants [1:08:28] the [1:08:28] Sandigan [1:08:28] Bayan [1:08:28] will [1:08:29] issue [1:08:29] from [1:08:30] your [1:08:30] office [1:08:30] attorney [1:08:31] Batu [1:08:31] your [1:08:34] honor [1:08:34] as [1:08:36] these [1:08:36] cases [1:08:36] are [1:08:36] already [1:08:37] undergoing [1:08:37] preliminary [1:08:39] investigation [1:08:39] and [1:08:40] administrative [1:08:40] adjudication [1:08:41] before [1:08:42] we're [1:08:42] going [1:08:42] to [1:08:43] file [1:08:43] the [1:08:43] necessary [1:08:44] information [1:08:44] with [1:08:45] the [1:08:45] appropriate [1:08:45] court [1:08:46] so [1:08:46] I'm [1:08:49] not [1:08:49] at [1:08:49] liberty [1:08:49] to [1:08:50] say [1:08:50] kung [1:08:50] ano [1:08:50] na [1:08:51] po [1:08:51] yung [1:08:51] mga [1:08:51] for [1:08:52] filing [1:08:53] sa [1:08:53] courts [1:08:53] or [1:08:53] kusino [1:08:56] sino [1:08:56] po [1:08:56] yung [1:08:56] papilan [1:08:57] ng [1:08:58] mga [1:08:58] information [1:08:59] sa [1:08:59] courts [1:08:59] Go ahead [1:09:02] Senator [1:09:03] Bang [1:09:04] Maraming [1:09:04] salamat [1:09:05] Mr. [1:09:05] Chairman [1:09:05] This [1:09:06] question [1:09:06] is for [1:09:07] the [1:09:07] Ombudsman [1:09:07] Ito [1:09:08] pong [1:09:09] mga [1:09:09] affidavits [1:09:10] ng [1:09:10] ating [1:09:11] 18 [1:09:12] former [1:09:13] bodyguards [1:09:13] po [1:09:14] ni [1:09:14] Zaldico [1:09:14] Ito [1:09:15] po [1:09:15] ba [1:09:15] iniimbestigan [1:09:16] rin [1:09:16] po [1:09:16] ninyo [1:09:17] kasama [1:09:17] ba [1:09:18] ito [1:09:18] sa [1:09:18] nabanggit [1:09:18] nyong [1:09:19] for [1:09:19] fact [1:09:20] finding [1:09:20] or [1:09:20] preliminary [1:09:21] investigation [1:09:22] I'm [1:09:24] not [1:09:24] at [1:09:24] any [1:09:25] liberty [1:09:25] to [1:09:26] say [1:09:26] that [1:09:26] pero [1:09:27] from [1:09:28] what [1:09:28] I [1:09:29] know [1:09:29] from [1:09:29] my [1:09:30] personal [1:09:30] knowledge [1:09:31] kasi [1:09:31] ako po [1:09:32] yung [1:09:32] OIC [1:09:32] ng [1:09:33] Central [1:09:33] Records [1:09:34] Division [1:09:34] when [1:09:35] all [1:09:36] documents [1:09:36] addressed [1:09:37] to [1:09:37] the [1:09:37] Ombudsman [1:09:38] or filed [1:09:38] with [1:09:38] the [1:09:38] Office [1:09:39] of [1:09:39] the [1:09:39] Ombudsman [1:09:40] usually [1:09:40] undergo [1:09:41] evaluation [1:09:41] po [1:09:42] kasi [1:09:42] so [1:09:43] when [1:09:43] it [1:09:43] was [1:09:43] evaluated [1:09:44] by [1:09:44] our [1:09:45] lawyer [1:09:45] evaluators [1:09:46] and reviewed [1:09:47] and approved [1:09:47] by our [1:09:48] officials [1:09:48] we sent [1:09:50] a notice [1:09:51] to [1:09:51] Attorney [1:09:54] Baligod [1:09:54] saying [1:09:55] that [1:09:55] what [1:09:57] the [1:09:57] office [1:09:57] requires [1:09:58] is [1:09:58] yung [1:10:00] tigiisa [1:10:01] pong [1:10:01] affidavit [1:10:02] for the [1:10:03] Marines [1:10:03] to [1:10:04] declare [1:10:04] or to [1:10:05] state [1:10:05] their [1:10:05] personal [1:10:06] knowledge [1:10:06] dun sa [1:10:07] mga [1:10:07] statements [1:10:08] hindi po [1:10:08] yung [1:10:09] kolektibo [1:10:09] yes [1:10:10] kasi [1:10:11] parang [1:10:11] collective [1:10:12] isa lang [1:10:13] po yung [1:10:13] joint [1:10:14] affidavit [1:10:14] nilang [1:10:15] lahat [1:10:15] so [1:10:15] when [1:10:16] it [1:10:16] was [1:10:16] evaluated [1:10:16] sabi po [1:10:18] nung [1:10:18] lawyer [1:10:19] evaluator [1:10:19] namin [1:10:21] and then [1:10:21] it [1:10:22] was reviewed [1:10:22] and approved [1:10:22] by our [1:10:23] officials [1:10:23] na parang [1:10:24] hindi [1:10:25] pwedeng [1:10:26] lahat [1:10:26] sila [1:10:27] iisa [1:10:27] lang [1:10:27] ang [1:10:27] sinasabi [1:10:28] kasi [1:10:28] yung [1:10:29] mga [1:10:29] sinasabi [1:10:29] nilang [1:10:30] dinala [1:10:30] nila [1:10:30] ilan [1:10:31] lang [1:10:31] naman [1:10:31] nandun [1:10:32] nandun [1:10:32] na [1:10:32] present [1:10:33] so [1:10:33] others [1:10:34] hindi [1:10:34] naman [1:10:34] din [1:10:34] present [1:10:35] so [1:10:35] they [1:10:35] cannot [1:10:35] have [1:10:36] a [1:10:36] collective [1:10:37] affidavit [1:10:37] okay [1:10:38] so [1:10:38] kumbaga po [1:10:39] sinaseryoso [1:10:42] ninyo [1:10:42] itong [1:10:42] mga [1:10:42] aligasyon [1:10:43] na ito [1:10:44] at [1:10:44] nag [1:10:44] next [1:10:45] step [1:10:45] kayo [1:10:45] which [1:10:45] is [1:10:45] to [1:10:46] ask [1:10:46] for [1:10:46] individual [1:10:47] affidavits [1:10:48] tama po [1:10:49] yun [1:10:49] attorney [1:10:49] batu [1:10:50] yes [1:10:50] your [1:10:50] honor [1:10:51] at [1:10:51] nakapagsummit [1:10:52] ba [1:10:52] ng [1:10:52] individual [1:10:53] affidavits [1:10:53] as far [1:10:54] as [1:10:55] i [1:10:55] know [1:10:55] wala [1:10:55] pa [1:10:55] po [1:10:55] okay [1:10:56] kasi [1:10:56] dito [1:10:57] po [1:10:57] sa [1:10:58] blue [1:10:58] ribbon [1:10:58] you know [1:10:59] many [1:10:59] of our [1:11:00] resource [1:11:00] persons [1:11:01] have [1:11:01] been [1:11:01] here [1:11:01] for [1:11:02] months [1:11:02] already [1:11:03] marami [1:11:04] talagang [1:11:04] paratang [1:11:06] marami [1:11:07] nabibring [1:11:07] up [1:11:07] kadalasan [1:11:09] po [1:11:09] mga [1:11:09] kasama [1:11:10] rin [1:11:10] po [1:11:11] namin [1:11:11] sa [1:11:11] lis [1:11:12] latura [1:11:12] kasama [1:11:13] namin [1:11:13] dito [1:11:14] pero [1:11:15] ang [1:11:15] expectation [1:11:16] po [1:11:16] merong [1:11:17] further [1:11:17] investigation [1:11:18] yan [1:11:18] para [1:11:19] malaman [1:11:19] may [1:11:20] corroborative [1:11:20] evidence [1:11:21] may [1:11:21] further 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[1:11:52] mga [1:11:52] statement [1:11:53] tama [1:11:53] po [1:11:53] ba [1:11:53] yun [1:11:53] attorney [1:11:54] batu [1:11:55] your [1:11:57] order [1:11:58] upon [1:11:59] evaluation [1:12:00] we [1:12:00] required [1:12:01] the [1:12:01] handling [1:12:02] lawyer [1:12:03] to [1:12:04] please [1:12:05] submit [1:12:07] individual [1:12:08] joint [1:12:08] affidavit [1:12:09] of the [1:12:09] marines [1:12:09] kung [1:12:09] makapagbigay [1:12:10] po [1:12:10] sila [1:12:11] ng [1:12:11] individual [1:12:11] affidavit [1:12:12] o [1:12:12] kaya [1:12:12] ngayon [1:12:12] kung [1:12:13] pumunta [1:12:13] po [1:12:13] sila [1:12:13] dito [1:12:14] may [1:12:14] kanya [1:12:15] kanyang [1:12:15] testimony [1:12:15] under [1:12:16] oath [1:12:17] at [1:12:18] nakuha [1:12:18] po [1:12:18] nyo [1:12:18] yun [1:12:19] ano [1:12:19] po [1:12:19] yung [1:12:20] responsibilidad [1:12:21] ng [1:12:21] ombudsman [1:12:21] hindi [1:12:22] ho [1:12:22] ba [1:12:22] para [1:12:22] 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po [1:12:49] pwede [1:12:50] po [1:12:50] namin [1:12:50] investighan [1:12:51] diretsyon [1:12:52] preliminary [1:12:53] investigation [1:12:54] din po [1:12:54] kasi [1:12:54] we [1:12:55] have [1:12:55] our [1:12:55] bureaus [1:12:56] doing [1:12:56] that [1:12:56] ok [1:12:57] so [1:12:57] in [1:12:57] usual [1:12:57] practice [1:12:58] kapag [1:12:58] may [1:12:59] mga [1:12:59] bagong [1:12:59] informasyon [1:13:00] ano [1:13:00] po [1:13:00] yung [1:13:01] proseso [1:13:01] po [1:13:01] ninyo [1:13:02] do [1:13:02] you [1:13:02] forward [1:13:03] it [1:13:03] to [1:13:04] the [1:13:04] other [1:13:04] agencies [1:13:04] for [1:13:05] further [1:13:05] investigation [1:13:06] or [1:13:06] kayo [1:13:06] mismo [1:13:07] yung [1:13:07] yung [1:13:12] conduct [1:13:13] talaga [1:13:13] ng [1:13:13] pack [1:13:14] finding [1:13:14] investigations [1:13:15] for [1:13:15] context [1:13:16] po [1:13:16] your [1:13:16] honor [1:13:17] yung [1:13:17] mga [1:13:17] sinasubject [1:13:18] to 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[1:13:51] po [1:13:52] yung [1:13:52] magiging [1:13:52] susunod [1:13:53] na [1:13:53] proseso [1:13:53] doon [1:13:53] it [1:13:53] will [1:13:54] still [1:13:54] be [1:13:54] subject [1:13:54] to [1:13:55] evaluation [1:13:55] your [1:13:55] honor [1:13:56] so [1:13:56] kasi [1:13:56] we'll [1:13:57] just [1:13:57] check [1:13:57] we'll [1:13:58] still [1:13:58] check [1:13:58] kung [1:13:59] kompleto [1:13:59] siya [1:13:59] like [1:14:00] I [1:14:00] said [1:14:00] sufficient [1:14:02] inform [1:14:02] and [1:14:02] substance [1:14:03] that [1:14:04] can [1:14:04] go [1:14:04] through [1:14:04] directly [1:14:05] to [1:14:05] the [1:14:06] preliminary [1:14:06] investigation [1:14:07] kung [1:14:07] hindi [1:14:08] naman [1:14:08] we [1:14:09] can [1:14:10] forward [1:14:10] it [1:14:10] to [1:14:10] the [1:14:13] finding [1:14:13] investigation [1:14:14] I guess [1:14:17] kasi [1:14:17] attorney [1:14:17] Batu [1:14:18] yung [1:14:18] binabato [1:14:19] kasi [1:14:19] hindi [1:14:20] daw [1:14:21] pinapansin [1:14:21] yung [1:14:22] mga [1:14:22] ibang [1:14:24] testimony [1:14:25] nila [1:14:25] o [1:14:26] nasa [1:14:26] affidavit [1:14:26] yan yung [1:14:27] kanilang [1:14:27] binabato [1:14:28] ngayon [1:14:28] gusto [1:14:29] kong [1:14:29] malaman [1:14:29] hindi [1:14:30] nyo [1:14:30] naman [1:14:30] sinasara [1:14:31] ito [1:14:31] humihingi [1:14:32] kayo [1:14:32] ng [1:14:32] further [1:14:32] affidavit [1:14:33] para [1:14:34] ma [1:14:34] fact [1:14:34] finding [1:14:34] kasi [1:14:35] lahat [1:14:35] po kami [1:14:35] dito [1:14:35] pwedeng [1:14:36] fact [1:14:36] finding [1:14:36] diba [1:14:37] tama [1:14:37] naman [1:14:37] po [1:14:37] attorney [1:14:38] Melvin [1:14:38] lahat [1:14:40] ng [1:14:40] mga [1:14:40] pangalang [1:14:40] binabanggit [1:14:41] finifurther [1:14:43] investigate [1:14:43] po ninyo [1:14:44] kahit [1:14:44] congressman [1:14:45] yan [1:14:45] senador [1:14:45] yan [1:14:46] o [1:14:46] kung [1:14:46] sino [1:14:46] man [1:14:47] yan [1:14:47] well [1:14:48] tama [1:14:48] po [1:14:48] yun [1:14:49] kagaya [1:14:50] nga [1:14:50] po [1:14:50] sa [1:14:50] sinabi [1:14:51] namin [1:14:51] senator [1:14:52] is [1:14:52] mr. [1:14:53] chair [1:14:53] is [1:14:54] hindi [1:14:55] kami [1:14:55] makapunta [1:14:55] dun [1:14:56] sa [1:14:56] kanilang [1:14:56] allegasyon [1:14:57] dahil [1:14:57] dun [1:14:57] mismo [1:14:57] sa [1:14:58] kanilang [1:14:58] isinabit [1:14:59] na [1:14:59] affidavit [1:15:00] at [1:15:00] nung [1:15:00] kinuha [1:15:01] namin [1:15:01] sila [1:15:01] ng [1:15:01] pahayag [1:15:02] isa-isa [1:15:02] ayaw [1:15:02] naman [1:15:03] din [1:15:03] pirmahan [1:15:03] so [1:15:04] paano [1:15:04] po tayo [1:15:05] magtutungo [1:15:06] dun [1:15:06] sa [1:15:06] next [1:15:06] step [1:15:06] na [1:15:07] ipapatawag [1:15:07] natin [1:15:08] yung [1:15:09] mga [1:15:09] binabanggit [1:15:09] nilang [1:15:10] pangalan [1:15:10] mr. 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[1:15:42] po sila [1:15:43] ng mga [1:15:43] additional [1:15:44] na [1:15:44] ebidensya [1:15:44] hinihingan [1:15:45] sila [1:15:46] ng [1:15:46] kanya-kanyang [1:15:46] pahayag [1:15:47] pero [1:15:47] binigyan [1:15:48] po [1:15:48] namin [1:15:48] ng [1:15:48] supesyenteng [1:15:49] panahon [1:15:50] para [1:15:50] magsumitin [1:15:51] ito [1:15:51] para [1:15:52] makaproceed [1:15:52] po [1:15:52] kami [1:15:53] to do [1:15:54] a [1:15:54] fact [1:15:54] finding [1:15:54] dun [1:15:55] po [1:15:55] sa mga [1:15:55] binanggit [1:15:56] na [1:15:56] pangalan [1:15:56] So [1:15:58] nakapag-issue [1:15:59] na ba [1:15:59] ng [1:15:59] kanya-kanyang [1:16:00] affidavit [1:16:00] itong [1:16:01] labing walong [1:16:02] kargador [1:16:02] have they [1:16:03] issued [1:16:03] kasi sabi [1:16:05] niya [1:16:05] paiba-ibang [1:16:05] statement [1:16:06] nila [1:16:06] yun nga [1:16:06] po [1:16:07] sinabject [1:16:08] namin [1:16:08] sila [1:16:08] sa [1:16:08] individual [1:16:09] question [1:16:09] and [1:16:10] answer [1:16:10] lima [1:16:11] lang [1:16:11] po [1:16:11] yung [1:16:12] pumirma [1:16:12] yung [1:16:12] labing [1:16:13] tatlo [1:16:13] pinigilan [1:16:14] ni [1:16:14] attorney [1:16:14] balikod [1:16:15] na [1:16:15] pumirma [1:16:15] gusto [1:16:16] pa [1:16:16] nga [1:16:16] punitin [1:16:16] yung [1:16:17] kanila [1:16:17] managing [1:16:17] statement [1:16:25] NBI [1:16:25] nagkakaroon kami [1:16:26] ng parang [1:16:27] phishing [1:16:27] expedition [1:16:28] para may mga [1:16:28] binanggit [1:16:29] na pangalan [1:16:30] ay [1:16:30] investigahan [1:16:31] namin [1:16:31] pero [1:16:31] hindi po [1:16:32] namin [1:16:32] isinasara [1:16:33] yung [1:16:33] investigasyon [1:16:34] hanggang [1:16:34] ngayon [1:16:35] bukas [1:16:35] po yung [1:16:35] investigasyon [1:16:36] kung [1:16:37] meron [1:16:37] pong [1:16:37] papasok [1:16:38] na [1:16:38] mga [1:16:38] ebidensya [1:16:39] na [1:16:39] direct [1:16:40] ang [1:16:40] magtuturo [1:16:40] o [1:16:41] matibay [1:16:41] na [1:16:41] ebidensya [1:16:42] napapasa [1:16:43] po [1:16:43] sa [1:16:43] probable [1:16:44] cause [1:16:44] na [1:16:44] tinatawag [1:16:45] or [1:16:45] reasonable [1:16:45] certificate [1:16:46] of [1:16:46] condition [1:16:46] na [1:16:47] nga [1:16:47] nga [1:16:47] execute [1:16:47] ng [1:16:56] yun po [1:16:56] ba [1:16:56] hindi [1:16:56] nagpabago-bago [1:16:58] o [1:17:00] pinahindigan nila [1:17:00] kung ano yung [1:17:01] unang [1:17:01] affidavit [1:17:02] na initio nila [1:17:02] sa inyo [1:17:02] Ang malungkot po [1:17:03] dun sa mga [1:17:04] pumirma [1:17:04] lumalabas [1:17:05] 10% lang po [1:17:06] talaga yung [1:17:07] parang [1:17:07] directang [1:17:08] alam nila [1:17:09] and all the [1:17:09] others [1:17:10] are hearsay [1:17:11] lagi nilang [1:17:11] itinuturo [1:17:12] yung [1:17:12] kung sino-sinong [1:17:13] personalidad po [1:17:14] o nakita nila [1:17:15] sa group [1:17:16] So ano [1:17:16] tawag nyo po [1:17:17] sa ganung [1:17:17] klaseng [1:17:17] affidavit [1:17:18] na [1:17:18] hearsay [1:17:19] lang pala [1:17:19] nanunumpas [1:17:20] sila [1:17:20] na sa buong [1:17:21] katotohanan [1:17:22] yun ang [1:17:22] pagkakaalam nila [1:17:23] pero yun pala [1:17:23] yung [1:17:24] informasyon na yun [1:17:25] ay second hand [1:17:25] o third hand [1:17:26] pala [1:17:26] binigay lang sa kanila [1:17:27] Ang Korte Supremo [1:17:29] na po nagsasabi [1:17:30] na yan yung [1:17:30] pinakamababang value [1:17:31] ng ebidensya po [1:17:32] na hindi po [1:17:33] titindig [1:17:34] na kahit po [1:17:35] baka pagdinalan namin [1:17:36] sa DOJ [1:17:37] or sa Ombudsman [1:17:38] ay doon pa lang po [1:17:38] sa level na yun [1:17:39] hindi na po pumasok [1:17:40] yung kaso [1:17:41] sa halip na po [1:17:42] na tumiba yung kaso [1:17:43] doon sa mga [1:17:44] binabanggit [1:17:45] halimbawa [1:17:45] na meron talagang [1:17:46] kinalaman sa anomalya [1:17:51] Okay, noong April 28 po [1:17:53] 2026 [1:17:55] isa pong affidavit [1:17:56] na in-execute [1:17:57] sa special action unit [1:17:59] ng NBI [1:17:59] ano po [1:18:00] ng isa sa mga kamag-anak [1:18:02] ng labing-walong kargador [1:18:03] Now, ready na po bang [1:18:05] NBI na i-present po [1:18:07] yung detalye [1:18:07] doon sa affidavit na yun [1:18:09] na sinasabi nga po [1:18:11] nakatanggap ng 5 million [1:18:14] para sa isang [1:18:15] false testimony [1:18:16] Pabuti po [1:18:18] na nabanggit po yan [1:18:19] kasi nangyari nga po yan [1:18:21] noong habang [1:18:21] nagkakaroon sila [1:18:22] ng pagdinig dito [1:18:25] hindi ko alam [1:18:26] kung ano pong [1:18:26] exactong tawag doon [1:18:27] na hawak na po namin yun [1:18:30] since April 28 pa [1:18:32] tapos bumalik pa nga po [1:18:34] para ayusin yung [1:18:35] kanyang testimony [1:18:35] ito po [1:18:36] parang nga [1:18:37] benan po niya [1:18:38] yung isa sa miyembro [1:18:39] noong 18 bodyguards [1:18:42] ano po [1:18:42] na sinasabi niya [1:18:45] ang pinangako po ni [1:18:46] na kinumbisi sila [1:18:47] na sumama [1:18:48] sa pangako [1:18:49] na bibigyan [1:18:50] ang bawat isa [1:18:50] ng 5 million [1:18:51] pero ang sinabi [1:18:53] hindi naman po [1:18:54] nabigay pa yung [1:18:54] lamang million [1:18:55] ang una [1:18:55] sabi 700,000 [1:18:57] pero ang kabuan [1:18:57] pa lang pala [1:18:58] na nabibigay [1:18:59] 350,000 [1:19:00] 500 million each [1:19:02] dapat [1:19:02] 5 million po [1:19:03] dapat [1:19:03] 5 million pesos each [1:19:05] pero hindi naibigay [1:19:06] yung 5 million each [1:19:07] wala pa po yata [1:19:08] na ibibigay [1:19:08] base po doon [1:19:09] sa testimonya [1:19:10] nitong [1:19:10] manugang [1:19:12] magkano lang po [1:19:13] na-release [1:19:14] sabi po doon ito [1:19:15] yung sa personal account po [1:19:16] 350 [1:19:17] sino po [1:19:18] nabigyan ng [1:19:18] 350 [1:19:19] out of that [1:19:20] si [1:19:20] galik po kay [1:19:20] Mike Defensor [1:19:21] at siyempre [1:19:22] kasama po si [1:19:23] Atone Balikod [1:19:24] yung po yung aming [1:19:24] pinapalawak pa [1:19:25] kaya nga po [1:19:26] namin sinabi [1:19:27] pero sino po [1:19:27] nakatanggap [1:19:28] nung 350 [1:19:29] isang marine po [1:19:30] isa lang po [1:19:31] isa pa lang po [1:19:32] so yung 17 [1:19:32] wala pa [1:19:33] siya lang po yung [1:19:34] may recollection [1:19:35] hindi ko po alam [1:19:36] yun sa 17 [1:19:36] ibig sabihin po [1:19:37] Mr. Chair [1:19:39] ang recollection po nito [1:19:40] yun sa pag-uusap [1:19:42] nilang dalawa [1:19:43] ng kanyang bienaan [1:19:44] So ibig sabihin [1:19:45] kaya po [1:19:45] lumantad itong [1:19:46] 18 kargador [1:19:48] dahil pinangkuhan po [1:19:49] silang mabibigyan [1:19:50] ng 5 million pesos each [1:19:52] Yun po yung [1:19:52] sinasabi [1:19:53] isa sa membro nila [1:19:54] pero gusto ko po [1:19:55] liwanagin [1:19:56] I will take the opportunity [1:19:57] na liwanagin [1:19:58] kasi narinig ko po [1:19:59] pinapupunta ko rito [1:20:00] noon ni [1:20:01] Senator Cayetano [1:20:02] kasi para daw [1:20:04] harapin ko daw [1:20:05] si Ginong Mike Defensor [1:20:06] alam naman po natin [1:20:08] na hindi naman po [1:20:09] ganun yung proseso [1:20:10] ng isang committee hearing [1:20:11] pero una-una po [1:20:13] hindi naman po [1:20:14] ibig sabihin [1:20:15] suspect na kagad natin [1:20:16] o akusado na si [1:20:17] Mike Defensor [1:20:18] ang NBI po [1:20:19] nag-i-issue po kami [1:20:20] ng sabwi na [1:20:21] hindi dahil pinagsususpecha [1:20:23] kayo [1:20:23] kundi [1:20:24] as a part of our [1:20:25] packfinding [1:20:25] inaalam nga po namin [1:20:27] ang sabi ko nga po [1:20:27] kung mapatunayan namin [1:20:29] na itong taon to [1:20:29] nagsisinungaling [1:20:30] laban kay Mike Defensor [1:20:32] tutulungan pa po namin [1:20:33] si Ginong Mike Defensor [1:20:35] nahabulin at [1:20:35] papanagutin po [1:20:36] yung tao na yun [1:20:37] Okay, last na naman [1:20:38] alimbawa po [1:20:39] napatunayan ng NBI [1:20:40] na toto ngayong [1:20:41] allegasyon [1:20:42] sila po ay [1:20:43] tumanggap ng 5 million [1:20:45] in exchange for [1:20:46] false testimony [1:20:47] ano pong kaso noon? [1:20:48] Well, may pananagutan po yan [1:20:50] sa revised penal code [1:20:51] kasi [1:20:51] yung pong ikaw [1:20:53] ay [1:20:53] nagihimok [1:20:54] ng titistigo [1:20:55] para kasuhan [1:20:56] ng kriminal [1:20:57] yung isang tao [1:20:57] na wala naman talagang basihan [1:20:59] e pinaparusahan po yan [1:21:00] sa ilalim [1:21:01] ng ating [1:21:01] revised penal code [1:21:02] at yung pong nagtistigo [1:21:03] nagbigay ng false testimony [1:21:05] kapalit ng pera [1:21:06] ano pong kaso noon? [1:21:07] May kaso rin po yun [1:21:08] pwede managot po [1:21:09] ng perjury po [1:21:10] Maraming salamat po [1:21:11] Thank you [1:21:11] Mr. Chair [1:21:12] with the indulgence [1:21:13] of Senator Bam [1:21:14] I'm done Mr. Chairman [1:21:16] Go ahead [1:21:17] Is that the only [1:21:18] A follow up question [1:21:19] Mr. Chair [1:21:20] Salamat po [1:21:21] So, malinaw na [1:21:23] dun sa mga [1:21:24] aligasyon [1:21:24] ng 18 ex-bodyguards [1:21:26] nagpapatuloy [1:21:27] ang investigasyon [1:21:28] ng NBI [1:21:29] And then [1:21:30] kung kanina [1:21:31] sa ombudsman [1:21:32] ang next step [1:21:33] dun sa mga [1:21:33] aligasyon nila [1:21:34] ay pinagsusumitin [1:21:36] nyo sila [1:21:36] ng tigi-isang [1:21:37] individual affidavit [1:21:39] Sa DOJ naman po [1:21:41] ano yung [1:21:42] next steps [1:21:42] ng department [1:21:44] dun sa mga [1:21:45] aligasyon [1:21:45] ng ex-bodyguards? [1:21:47] Well, as far as [1:21:48] the DOJ is concerned [1:21:49] ma'am [1:21:49] we will work [1:21:50] together with [1:21:51] the National Bureau [1:21:52] of Investigation [1:21:53] kasi meron po tayong [1:21:55] dun sa fact finding [1:21:56] or dun sa case build up [1:21:57] dapat po magkatuwang [1:21:59] yung public prosecutors [1:22:01] at saka yung [1:22:01] ating law enforcement [1:22:03] So, yung sinasabi [1:22:06] kanina ni Director [1:22:07] binabaan pa nga daw po [1:22:09] nila yung [1:22:09] antas ng ebidensya [1:22:10] which is [1:22:11] probable cause only [1:22:13] But, again [1:22:14] as far as [1:22:15] the department is concerned [1:22:16] there is already [1:22:17] a higher standard [1:22:18] which is prima facie [1:22:19] with reasonable [1:22:20] certainty of conviction [1:22:21] Kung dun sa sinasabi [1:22:23] ni Director [1:22:23] hindi na dumulusot [1:22:24] sa probable cause [1:22:25] with all the more reason [1:22:27] it cannot prosper [1:22:28] or not even be accepted [1:22:29] by the department [1:22:30] kasi sa department po ngayon [1:22:33] hindi po como [1:22:33] na i-submit [1:22:34] o na-file yung kaso [1:22:35] automatic [1:22:36] it will be docketed [1:22:37] as a criminal case [1:22:38] and subject to [1:22:39] preliminary investigation [1:22:40] Ang mangyayari po [1:22:42] ito po'y dadaan pa rin [1:22:43] sa masusing evaluation [1:22:44] para malaman [1:22:46] kung sapat na po ba [1:22:47] yung ebidensya [1:22:48] at kung ito'y sapat na [1:22:49] saka pa damang po ito [1:22:50] aakyat [1:22:51] para maging [1:22:52] isang kaso [1:22:53] criminal case [1:22:54] which should be [1:22:55] subject to PI [1:22:56] Tinitiyak po natin [1:22:58] kasi [1:22:58] na kung magsasampa tayo [1:23:00] ng kaso ngayon [1:23:01] hindi lang yung [1:23:01] for the sake of filing it [1:23:03] but one which [1:23:04] should really be able [1:23:05] to withstand [1:23:05] the rigors of trial [1:23:07] kung darating po tayo [1:23:08] sa punto na yun [1:23:08] So if that is the case [1:23:11] sa malamang [1:23:11] at sa malamang [1:23:12] kung sa probable [1:23:14] cause [1:23:14] hindi lulusot [1:23:15] sa malamang [1:23:16] pag sa evaluation [1:23:17] pa lang [1:23:17] baka hindi na rin [1:23:18] makalusot sa department [1:23:19] yan [1:23:19] Salamat Mr. Chair [1:23:22] Gusto ko lang [1:23:22] i-make of record [1:23:23] na na-appreciate ko po [1:23:25] yung efforts [1:23:25] ng DOJ [1:23:28] ang Office of the Ombudsman [1:23:30] at saka NBI [1:23:30] lalo na yung huling sinabi [1:23:32] ni Prosecutor General Fadulion [1:23:35] may certain liberality [1:23:37] na sinusubukang gamitin [1:23:39] and yet [1:23:40] hinahanda ng maayos [1:23:42] kung anumang [1:23:43] mga kaso [1:23:44] para talagang [1:23:45] ang maging resulta [1:23:46] ay mahanap po [1:23:47] yung katotohanan [1:23:48] and I hope everyone [1:23:49] around the table [1:23:50] and even those [1:23:51] na hindi dumalo [1:23:52] sa table [1:23:53] ay na-appreciate po [1:23:54] yung effort na ganoon [1:23:56] Salamat Mr. Chair [1:23:57] Thank you [1:23:57] Just a quick question [1:23:58] Mr. Chairman [1:23:59] Sabi ng ating [1:24:01] representative [1:24:02] ng Ombudsman [1:24:03] ang hiniling nila [1:24:04] ay gawing [1:24:05] individual affidavits [1:24:06] dahil nga [1:24:07] omnibus [1:24:08] affidavit [1:24:09] yung sinumiti [1:24:09] Ganon din ang sinabi [1:24:11] ng ating director [1:24:12] individual [1:24:13] I mean [1:24:14] affidavits [1:24:15] at hindi pe pwede [1:24:15] itong labing walo [1:24:16] ay pumirman [1:24:17] ng isang affidavit [1:24:18] Can we get the sense [1:24:19] of the prosecutor general [1:24:20] how do you [1:24:21] how do you treat [1:24:22] as a general rule [1:24:24] how do you treat [1:24:25] an omnibus [1:24:26] affidavit [1:24:27] of 15 [1:24:28] 20 [1:24:28] maybe 40 people [1:24:30] I don't know [1:24:31] go ahead [1:24:32] go ahead [1:24:33] Mr. Chair [1:24:33] if a joint affidavit [1:24:35] is submitted [1:24:36] to the Department of Justice [1:24:37] and this joint affidavit [1:24:39] is signed by [1:24:40] let's say [1:24:41] 10 or 18 people [1:24:42] for that matter [1:24:43] kapag hindi wala pong [1:24:45] qualification dun sa affidavit [1:24:47] dun sa salaysay [1:24:48] na ito po [1:24:50] ay [1:24:50] was taken [1:24:52] was participated in [1:24:54] by this particular individual [1:24:56] it would appear [1:24:57] as far as [1:24:58] the reader is concerned [1:24:59] that lahat po sila [1:25:01] na nakapirma dun [1:25:01] lahat sila may personal [1:25:03] na kaalaman [1:25:03] doon sa mga [1:25:05] nakasalaysay dun [1:25:06] kaya sinasabi [1:25:07] lagi po namin [1:25:08] kung magjo-joint [1:25:09] affidavit [1:25:09] tiyakinin nyo [1:25:10] na lahat po [1:25:11] nang nakasaad yan [1:25:12] ay merong [1:25:13] kayong personal [1:25:14] na kaalaman [1:25:15] kung wala naman po [1:25:16] pwede po silang [1:25:17] magkaroon ng [1:25:18] qualification [1:25:18] dun mismo [1:25:19] sa joint affidavit [1:25:20] na sabihin [1:25:21] patungkol po [1:25:23] dito sa pangyayaring to [1:25:24] tanging itong [1:25:25] mga tao [1:25:25] lamang na ito [1:25:26] ang merong [1:25:27] kabahagi [1:25:28] or naging bahagi [1:25:29] pero if there is [1:25:31] no such [1:25:31] qualification [1:25:32] then I would [1:25:33] have to concede [1:25:34] to the [1:25:35] strategy [1:25:36] being undertaken [1:25:37] by the NBI [1:25:38] as well as [1:25:39] the Ombudsman [1:25:39] that it's better [1:25:41] to really have [1:25:42] individual [1:25:43] affidavits [1:25:44] because [1:25:45] it's also a way [1:25:46] of trying [1:25:47] to compare [1:25:48] and test [1:25:48] the credibility [1:25:50] of these witnesses [1:25:51] kapag [1:25:52] again [1:25:53] yung sinabi po [1:25:54] kanina [1:25:54] supreme court [1:25:56] has already decided [1:25:57] in a host of cases [1:25:58] that when [1:25:59] affidavits [1:26:00] perfectly [1:26:01] or the allegations [1:26:02] or statements [1:26:02] perfectly [1:26:03] dovetail [1:26:04] ibig sabihin [1:26:05] pag tinignan nyo [1:26:06] parang talagang [1:26:07] pattern talaga siya [1:26:09] inakaduda-duda po [1:26:11] yung ganon [1:26:12] mas maigi po [1:26:13] yung merong [1:26:13] konting inconsistency [1:26:15] because it gives [1:26:16] badges of truth [1:26:17] to it [1:26:17] rather than [1:26:19] if it perfectly [1:26:19] dovetails [1:26:20] and then it says [1:26:21] practically the same [1:26:22] thing [1:26:22] then [1:26:23] there is something [1:26:24] questionable [1:26:25] about that [1:26:26] Mr. Chair [1:26:27] quickly [1:26:27] before we [1:26:28] do indulgence [1:26:30] actually [1:26:30] after [1:26:31] Senator [1:26:32] Rafi [1:26:33] it's your turn [1:26:35] para lang [1:26:36] bago natin [1:26:37] iwanan itong [1:26:38] subject [1:26:39] sa affidavit [1:26:40] Mr. Chair [1:26:41] siguro hindi [1:26:42] hodaman sa [1:26:43] Central [1:26:44] Division [1:26:45] Office [1:26:45] ng Ombudsman [1:26:46] pero itong [1:26:46] affidavit [1:26:47] na lima [1:26:47] ay nakakuha po [1:26:49] from [1:26:50] Deputy [1:26:51] Ombudsman [1:26:52] Nico [1:26:53] Clabano [1:26:54] and also [1:26:54] si [1:26:55] Director [1:26:55] Matibag [1:26:56] Ang sakin [1:26:57] ko kasi [1:26:57] Mr. Chair [1:26:58] iba po yun [1:26:58] talagang [1:26:59] pinirmahan [1:26:59] pag pinirmahan [1:27:00] ang affidavit [1:27:01] ibig sabihin [1:27:02] pag [1:27:03] pag [1:27:03] pag [1:27:04] pag [1:27:04] pag [1:27:05] pag [1:27:05] pag [1:27:05] pag [1:27:05] pag [1:27:06] pag [1:27:06] pag [1:27:07] pag [1:27:07] pag [1:27:07] pag [1:27:08] pag [1:27:09] pag [1:27:09] pag [1:27:09] pag [1:27:09] pag [1:27:10] pag [1:27:10] pag [1:27:12] Director [1:27:13] Matibag [1:27:13] doon sa [1:27:14] sinasabi [1:27:14] niyong [1:27:14] halimbawa [1:27:15] yun sa [1:27:16] mga limang [1:27:17] individual [1:27:17] na pumirma [1:27:18] may matutukoy [1:27:20] kasi [1:27:20] ang [1:27:20] ang gusto [1:27:21] natin [1:27:21] matuntun [1:27:22] dito [1:27:22] yung matunay [1:27:23] na salarin [1:27:23] kahit [1:27:24] papano [1:27:24] sila [1:27:25] kung meron [1:27:25] silang [1:27:26] personal [1:27:26] knowledge [1:27:27] kung talagang [1:27:28] yung [1:27:28] kanilang [1:27:29] isinalaysay [1:27:29] kahit [1:27:30] pa [1:27:31] 10% [1:27:31] 20% [1:27:32] ay [1:27:33] sa tingin [1:27:34] nyo ba [1:27:34] pwede [1:27:34] magamit [1:27:35] para [1:27:35] matukoy [1:27:36] yung mga [1:27:37] tunay [1:27:37] na salarin [1:27:37] ito [1:27:38] dahil [1:27:38] baka [1:27:38] pwede [1:27:38] sabi [1:27:42] maganda [1:27:42] kung sabihin [1:27:43] na rito [1:27:44] para [1:27:44] maitahin [1:27:45] natin [1:27:46] para malaman [1:27:47] natin [1:27:47] at matuntun [1:27:48] yung mga [1:27:48] talagang [1:27:48] may kagagawa [1:27:50] nito [1:27:50] sige [1:27:51] Director [1:27:51] Matibag [1:27:52] Salamat po [1:27:53] Mr. Chair [1:27:54] tama po yun [1:27:55] pero [1:27:56] doon po [1:27:56] sa 10% [1:27:57] ang 20% [1:27:58] na sinasabing [1:27:59] totoo [1:27:59] yung participation [1:28:00] nila [1:28:00] sa driver [1:28:01] ganyan [1:28:02] hindi po [1:28:03] ma-establish [1:28:03] pa rin [1:28:04] talaga [1:28:04] kung nakita [1:28:05] nilang [1:28:05] actual [1:28:06] na may [1:28:06] pera [1:28:06] ba [1:28:07] talaga [1:28:07] may [1:28:07] dala [1:28:07] I will [1:28:08] cite [1:28:08] an example [1:28:09] yung isa [1:28:09] po [1:28:09] sa pubirma [1:28:10] si Gil [1:28:11] Navidad [1:28:12] yung pong isa [1:28:13] sa mga [1:28:13] labing walo [1:28:14] tinanong siya [1:28:15] kasi may [1:28:16] allegation siya [1:28:17] doon [1:28:17] nakasama siya [1:28:17] nag-deliver [1:28:18] tinanong siya [1:28:19] doon po [1:28:20] sa one-on-one [1:28:20] interview [1:28:21] sa pag-deliver [1:28:22] po [1:28:23] na mga [1:28:23] mali [1:28:23] tanong [1:28:25] na maneho [1:28:26] mo po [1:28:26] ba [1:28:26] lahat [1:28:27] ng ito [1:28:27] o may maneho [1:28:29] pang iba [1:28:29] kasi [1:28:29] nagbigay [1:28:30] po siya [1:28:30] ng plate [1:28:31] number [1:28:31] so [1:28:31] sinabi niya [1:28:32] yun [1:28:32] doon yun [1:28:33] totoo [1:28:33] yung mga [1:28:34] plate [1:28:34] number [1:28:34] totoo [1:28:35] yun [1:28:36] tapos [1:28:36] tinanong [1:28:37] niya [1:28:37] sa pag-deliver [1:28:38] po ng maleta [1:28:38] na may lamang pera [1:28:40] anong maleta [1:28:41] po [1:28:41] ang personal [1:28:42] na i-deliver [1:28:43] ninyo [1:28:43] very specific [1:28:44] po yung tanong [1:28:45] personal [1:28:45] na i-deliver [1:28:46] ninyo [1:28:47] ang sagot [1:28:48] po niya [1:28:48] wala po [1:28:49] tagahatid [1:28:51] lamang po [1:28:51] ako [1:28:52] at sila [1:28:52] Mark Tixay [1:28:53] at Paul Estrada [1:28:54] po [1:28:54] ang personal [1:28:55] na nag-ahatid [1:28:56] kung para [1:28:56] kanino [1:28:56] ang mga ito [1:28:57] doon pa lang [1:28:59] po [1:28:59] meron [1:28:59] ng problema [1:29:00] kasi [1:29:00] may addition [1:29:01] siya [1:29:01] inalays [1:29:02] niya [1:29:02] sa pinakang [1:29:03] joint [1:29:04] upinabit [1:29:05] na nag-deliver [1:29:06] siya [1:29:06] ng maleta [1:29:07] nung tinanong na siya [1:29:07] ng personal [1:29:08] ang sagot na niya [1:29:09] wala pala [1:29:10] nag-drive lang siya [1:29:12] so [1:29:12] paulit-ulit po [1:29:13] ganun yung nangyari [1:29:14] Alright, thank you [1:29:17] quickly lang [1:29:18] balik po tayo [1:29:19] sa ombudsman [1:29:20] para po [1:29:22] sa mga [1:29:23] isasagawang [1:29:24] susunod po [1:29:25] na pagdinig [1:29:26] ano po [1:29:27] mga data [1:29:28] o informasyon [1:29:29] na kailangan po [1:29:30] ibigay sa inyo [1:29:31] ng blue ribbon [1:29:32] para ikang [1:29:34] titibay po [1:29:36] ang inyong [1:29:36] investigasyon [1:29:37] Do you need [1:29:39] any more [1:29:40] documents [1:29:41] pieces of evidence [1:29:43] from the blue ribbon [1:29:44] o [1:29:44] sapat na po [1:29:45] yung [1:29:46] naibigay po [1:29:47] ng chairman's [1:29:47] report [1:29:48] sa inyo [1:29:49] sa ombudsman [1:29:51] lahat po ba [1:29:52] ng cases [1:29:52] na kailangan po [1:29:53] ninyo [1:29:53] kasi [1:29:54] I believe [1:29:55] naibigay na po [1:29:56] ng dating chairman [1:29:57] chairman [1:29:58] Laxon [1:29:58] sa ombudsman [1:30:00] po [1:30:00] yung kanyang report [1:30:01] thank you [1:30:04] your honor [1:30:05] but the office [1:30:06] of the ombudsman [1:30:07] will always [1:30:08] welcome po [1:30:08] yung additional [1:30:09] pieces of evidence [1:30:10] and additional [1:30:11] testimonies [1:30:12] if ever [1:30:13] meron po [1:30:14] also yung mga [1:30:16] kowa reports [1:30:17] po [1:30:17] kung meron din [1:30:18] makukuha [1:30:19] from [1:30:19] the senate [1:30:21] blue ribbon [1:30:21] committee [1:30:22] that would [1:30:22] help a lot [1:30:23] on our [1:30:24] ongoing [1:30:25] investigations [1:30:25] pero kung [1:30:27] the same [1:30:28] issue [1:30:28] pa rin po [1:30:29] actually [1:30:29] what I mean [1:30:31] to say [1:30:31] pag may [1:30:31] lumutang [1:30:32] dito [1:30:33] may [1:30:33] akusasyon [1:30:34] na naman [1:30:34] sa isa [1:30:35] dun sa mga [1:30:36] senador [1:30:36] na napangalanan [1:30:37] na po [1:30:38] na isabit [1:30:38] na po [1:30:39] sa report [1:30:39] may dadagdag [1:30:40] lang po [1:30:41] na ebidensya [1:30:42] or [1:30:42] pareho [1:30:44] pa rin po [1:30:44] pero ibang [1:30:45] tao [1:30:45] you get [1:30:47] you what [1:30:47] I mean [1:30:48] isang tao [1:30:49] po inaakusahan [1:30:50] pero nakasama [1:30:51] na po siya [1:30:51] sa chairman's [1:30:52] report [1:30:52] pero ibang [1:30:53] tao [1:30:54] naman ito [1:30:54] nagakusahan [1:30:55] pero the same [1:30:55] case [1:30:56] naman po [1:30:56] i-entertain [1:30:58] pa rin po [1:30:58] ninyo [1:30:59] di po ba [1:30:59] yung [1:30:59] ebidensya [1:31:00] or [1:31:00] kailangan nyo [1:31:01] ng bagong [1:31:02] ebidensya [1:31:02] na naman [1:31:03] because [1:31:03] different [1:31:04] person [1:31:04] itong [1:31:05] nag-a-allege [1:31:05] po [1:31:06] na [1:31:06] nag-aakusa [1:31:07] Kung [1:31:09] bagong [1:31:10] complainant [1:31:12] po yun [1:31:12] your honor [1:31:13] hindi naman [1:31:14] po magbabago [1:31:15] yung investigation [1:31:15] namin [1:31:16] what the [1:31:17] office usually [1:31:18] do is [1:31:18] parang [1:31:19] kinoconsolidate [1:31:20] namin yun [1:31:21] dun sa naunang [1:31:21] complaint [1:31:22] against the [1:31:23] same [1:31:24] say lawmaker [1:31:25] or senator [1:31:26] or congressman [1:31:27] so [1:31:27] i-coconsolidate [1:31:28] lang namin [1:31:29] yung another [1:31:29] complaint [1:31:30] coming from [1:31:31] a different [1:31:32] complainant [1:31:32] pero yung mga [1:31:34] pieces of [1:31:35] evidence [1:31:35] yun din po [1:31:36] yung magagamit po [1:31:37] pero po [1:31:38] pwede po ba [1:31:39] na sabihin na lang [1:31:40] na i-diretsyo na lang [1:31:41] sa ombudsman [1:31:42] kasi po [1:31:43] kung dito [1:31:44] paulit-ulit [1:31:45] na lang [1:31:45] tayo [1:31:46] hindi na po [1:31:46] matatapos [1:31:47] ang trabaho [1:31:48] po ng [1:31:48] Blue Ribbon [1:31:49] at nakasentro [1:31:50] na lang [1:31:50] ang [1:31:51] investigasyon [1:31:52] sa flood [1:31:53] control [1:31:54] baka naman [1:31:54] na po pwede [1:31:55] kung same [1:31:56] individual yun [1:31:57] isumiti na lang [1:31:58] po [1:31:58] diretsyo [1:31:58] sa [1:31:59] ombudsman [1:32:00] para naman po [1:32:01] hindi po [1:32:02] ikang [1:32:02] redundant na [1:32:03] may investigasyon [1:32:05] kayong unggawing [1:32:05] sa isang tao [1:32:06] na ito [1:32:06] kunari [1:32:07] si [1:32:07] person A [1:32:09] may darating na naman [1:32:10] na inakosan [1:32:11] si person A [1:32:11] the same [1:32:12] anomaly [1:32:13] yung nga lang [1:32:14] may bagong tao [1:32:15] na magsabihin [1:32:16] na nagpaparatang [1:32:18] po pwede po ba [1:32:19] yung kanyang [1:32:19] statements [1:32:20] diretsyo na lamang [1:32:21] po sa ombudsman [1:32:22] rather than [1:32:23] i-imbestigahan na naman po [1:32:24] dito kasi hindi na po [1:32:25] tayo matatapos [1:32:26] marami po pong [1:32:27] problemang ating [1:32:28] bayan [1:32:28] ang kailangan silipin [1:32:29] e baka [1:32:30] redundant na po [1:32:31] ano pong [1:32:32] masasabi niyo dyan [1:32:33] Your Honor [1:32:34] the Office [1:32:35] of the Ombudsman [1:32:36] hindi naman yan [1:32:38] never naman yan [1:32:39] nag-refuse [1:32:39] to accept [1:32:40] documents [1:32:41] submitted to it [1:32:41] so [1:32:42] kung isasabit po [1:32:44] siya sa amin [1:32:44] diretsyo [1:32:45] we will always [1:32:46] welcome it [1:32:46] kung isasabit [1:32:48] naman po siya [1:32:48] sa Senate [1:32:48] Blue Ribbon [1:32:49] Committee [1:32:49] you can always [1:32:50] endorse it to us [1:32:52] All right [1:32:52] thank you [1:32:53] Senator Rafi [1:32:54] Yeah [1:32:54] Ma'am [1:32:56] Karen [1:32:57] Nabanggit nga [1:32:59] kanina ni [1:33:00] Attorney Matibag [1:33:01] ng NBI [1:33:02] kalamihan [1:33:03] dun sa [1:33:03] labing walo [1:33:04] na mga [1:33:05] tawag kong [1:33:05] kargador [1:33:06] tawag nila [1:33:06] bodyguards [1:33:07] na paiba-ibang [1:33:08] statements [1:33:09] hindi [1:33:10] tumatay-tay [1:33:11] ng maayos [1:33:12] Now [1:33:13] having said that [1:33:14] siyempre gusto natin [1:33:16] yung salarin [1:33:17] talagang [1:33:18] makasuhan [1:33:19] at managot [1:33:20] kung sino man [1:33:21] yung mga talagang [1:33:21] tumanggap [1:33:22] ng pera [1:33:22] Now [1:33:23] how would you [1:33:24] appreciate [1:33:24] that [1:33:25] complaints [1:33:26] being forwarded [1:33:27] to your office [1:33:28] na [1:33:29] yung affidavit [1:33:30] ay paiba-iba [1:33:32] tulad niya [1:33:33] sa labing walong [1:33:34] kargador [1:33:35] Eh gusto talaga [1:33:36] natin madiin [1:33:36] yung dapat madiin [1:33:38] meron talagang [1:33:38] tumanggap [1:33:39] kung meron [1:33:40] Pero [1:33:41] tulang binanggit [1:33:42] ni Attorney Matibag [1:33:43] paiba-iba [1:33:43] yung statement [1:33:44] nila [1:33:44] tulak [1:33:47] atras [1:33:47] tulak [1:33:48] atras [1:33:48] at [1:33:49] wala talagang [1:33:51] definite [1:33:51] na sila mismo [1:33:52] ang [1:33:53] nag-deliver [1:33:54] sila mismo [1:33:56] eyewitness [1:33:56] at may mga [1:33:57] dokumento [1:33:58] mayroong [1:33:59] screenshot [1:33:59] may recorded [1:34:01] conversation [1:34:01] et cetera [1:34:01] nothing like [1:34:02] that [1:34:03] kundi [1:34:03] here [1:34:04] say [1:34:04] lamang [1:34:04] So [1:34:04] paano [1:34:05] atake niya [1:34:07] ng [1:34:07] ombudsman [1:34:08] para [1:34:08] maging [1:34:09] tight [1:34:10] yung case [1:34:10] against [1:34:11] anybody [1:34:11] na talagang [1:34:12] tumanggap [1:34:13] ng pera [1:34:13] your honor [1:34:15] that's why [1:34:16] the office [1:34:17] of the ombudsman [1:34:17] required [1:34:18] an individual [1:34:19] complaint [1:34:20] affidavit [1:34:21] to verify [1:34:22] po yung personal [1:34:23] knowledge [1:34:24] talaga [1:34:24] ng bawat [1:34:25] isa dun [1:34:25] sa mga [1:34:25] nag-submit [1:34:26] ng [1:34:26] affidavit [1:34:29] kasi [1:34:29] the office [1:34:30] requires [1:34:31] personal [1:34:32] knowledge [1:34:32] para [1:34:32] upon [1:34:34] evaluation [1:34:35] ma-check [1:34:35] namin [1:34:35] agad [1:34:36] kung [1:34:36] this [1:34:37] can [1:34:37] stand [1:34:38] yung [1:34:38] preliminary [1:34:39] investigation [1:34:40] or [1:34:40] pwede [1:34:41] namin [1:34:41] siyang [1:34:41] i-refer [1:34:42] for further [1:34:42] fact [1:34:43] finding [1:34:43] unfortunately [1:34:44] kasi [1:34:44] pag [1:34:45] i-refer [1:34:45] mo siya [1:34:45] sa [1:34:46] fact [1:34:46] finding [1:34:46] dapat [1:34:47] po talaga [1:34:47] may [1:34:48] verifiable [1:34:48] leads [1:34:49] at [1:34:49] hindi [1:34:49] kami [1:34:49] magkakandak [1:34:50] lang [1:34:50] ng [1:34:50] fishing [1:34:51] expedition [1:34:51] okay [1:34:52] yung sinasabi [1:34:54] nitong [1:34:55] labing walo [1:34:56] na sila [1:34:57] talaga [1:34:57] nagdeliver [1:34:58] ng pera [1:34:58] at walang [1:34:59] ebedensya [1:34:59] kung talagang [1:35:00] pera [1:35:00] yung laman [1:35:00] ng maleta [1:35:01] at hindi [1:35:02] naman sila [1:35:02] mismo [1:35:02] ang nagbilang [1:35:03] ng pera [1:35:04] at walang [1:35:05] matibay [1:35:05] na ebedensya [1:35:06] na meron [1:35:07] silang pinig [1:35:08] deliver [1:35:08] ng tao [1:35:08] kung sino [1:35:09] man yung [1:35:09] tao [1:35:09] although [1:35:09] we really [1:35:10] need [1:35:10] to know [1:35:10] kung sino [1:35:11] talaga [1:35:11] at dapat [1:35:11] managot [1:35:12] and dapat [1:35:12] managot [1:35:12] I've been [1:35:13] saying [1:35:13] that's [1:35:13] all along [1:35:14] so [1:35:14] paano [1:35:15] ang magiging [1:35:16] appreciation [1:35:17] nyo [1:35:17] doon [1:35:17] sa [1:35:18] affidavit [1:35:19] ng taong [1:35:20] doon [1:35:21] sa labing walo [1:35:21] Your Honor [1:35:24] kung matanggap na namin [1:35:25] halimbawa [1:35:26] yung kanilang [1:35:27] individual [1:35:27] affidavit [1:35:28] yung magsubmit [1:35:29] na sila [1:35:30] siguro po [1:35:31] ang magiging [1:35:32] ano namin [1:35:32] is like [1:35:33] I've said [1:35:33] kung it can [1:35:34] withstand [1:35:35] po yung [1:35:35] ano [1:35:35] ng preliminary [1:35:36] investigation [1:35:37] kasi nga po [1:35:38] meron na [1:35:40] kaming [1:35:40] bagong [1:35:42] when it [1:35:43] comes to [1:35:44] conduct [1:35:45] a preliminary [1:35:45] investigation [1:35:46] prima [1:35:47] patch [1:35:47] with [1:35:48] reasonable [1:35:48] certainty [1:35:49] of [1:35:49] conviction [1:35:50] din po [1:35:50] so [1:35:52] kapag [1:35:52] isang [1:35:54] tao [1:35:55] nag-issue [1:35:55] affidavit [1:35:56] nagpaiba-iba [1:35:57] na ng [1:35:58] statement [1:36:00] at [1:36:01] lumilitaw [1:36:02] na wala pala [1:36:02] siyang [1:36:02] first-hand [1:36:03] information [1:36:03] kundi [1:36:04] nakuha [1:36:04] lang niya [1:36:05] o naipasa [1:36:05] lang niya [1:36:06] sa kanya [1:36:07] yung [1:36:07] informasyon [1:36:07] na yon [1:36:08] so [1:36:08] doon pa [1:36:09] lamang [1:36:10] magkakaroon [1:36:10] na ng [1:36:11] problema [1:36:11] sa credibility [1:36:12] yung [1:36:13] nag-issue [1:36:13] affidavit [1:36:14] na yon [1:36:15] Sambozman [1:36:15] Your Honor [1:36:17] kasi nga po [1:36:18] lahat [1:36:18] ng mga [1:36:18] complaints [1:36:19] nag-undergo [1:36:21] yan [1:36:21] ng [1:36:21] evaluation [1:36:22] so yung [1:36:22] mga [1:36:23] nag-evaluate [1:36:23] po sa [1:36:24] amin [1:36:24] are [1:36:24] lawyer [1:36:24] evaluators [1:36:25] and then [1:36:26] yung [1:36:26] evaluation [1:36:27] recommendation [1:36:27] nila [1:36:28] is subject [1:36:29] to review [1:36:29] and approval [1:36:30] of our [1:36:30] officials [1:36:31] so [1:36:31] based [1:36:32] on [1:36:32] I do [1:36:34] not have [1:36:34] any [1:36:35] personal [1:36:35] knowledge [1:36:35] when it [1:36:36] comes [1:36:36] to [1:36:36] the [1:36:37] affidavit [1:36:39] ng [1:36:39] marines [1:36:39] but [1:36:40] I [1:36:40] signed [1:36:41] the [1:36:41] notice [1:36:41] address [1:36:42] to [1:36:42] attorney [1:36:43] baligod [1:36:44] that's [1:36:44] why [1:36:44] yun [1:36:45] lang [1:36:45] po [1:36:45] binasa [1:36:46] ko [1:36:46] siyempre [1:36:46] yung [1:36:46] notice [1:36:47] so [1:36:47] ang nakalagay [1:36:48] po dun [1:36:48] sa notice [1:36:49] nga [1:36:49] dahil nga po [1:36:50] hindi siya [1:36:51] it cannot be [1:36:52] considered [1:36:53] personal knowledge [1:36:54] na meron sila [1:36:55] bawat isa dun [1:36:56] sa 18 [1:36:57] personnel [1:36:59] na yun [1:36:59] or people [1:37:00] na yun [1:37:00] so [1:37:01] last na lamang [1:37:02] on any other [1:37:03] case [1:37:04] kahit na hindi [1:37:05] dito sa [1:37:06] labing walo [1:37:06] merong [1:37:09] nag-submit [1:37:09] ng complaint [1:37:11] sa inyo [1:37:11] with affidavit [1:37:12] paano po [1:37:15] approach yun [1:37:15] once na [1:37:17] receive nyo po [1:37:18] yung isang [1:37:18] affidavit [1:37:19] against [1:37:20] anybody [1:37:20] your honor [1:37:22] the usual [1:37:23] process [1:37:24] ano yung [1:37:25] mga hinahanap [1:37:26] nyo [1:37:26] dun sa [1:37:28] nag-submit [1:37:28] ng affidavit [1:37:29] pag nag-submit [1:37:30] po yun [1:37:31] ng affidavit [1:37:31] or ng [1:37:32] complaint [1:37:32] affidavit [1:37:33] sa amin [1:37:33] your honor [1:37:34] dumadaan po [1:37:35] muna yan [1:37:35] sa verification [1:37:36] to see [1:37:37] kung meron [1:37:37] siyang [1:37:37] similar [1:37:38] or earlier [1:37:39] complaint [1:37:40] na [1:37:40] so [1:37:41] na hindi [1:37:42] siya [1:37:42] magdoble-doble [1:37:43] so [1:37:43] pag [1:37:44] na-verify [1:37:44] say wala [1:37:45] siyang [1:37:45] existing [1:37:46] complaint [1:37:46] or previous [1:37:47] complaint [1:37:48] similar [1:37:48] complaint [1:37:49] sa office [1:37:49] of the [1:37:49] ombudsman [1:37:50] it will [1:37:50] undergo [1:37:51] evaluation [1:37:52] okay [1:37:52] dun sa [1:37:53] evaluation [1:37:54] maghanap [1:37:55] ba kayo [1:37:55] ng [1:37:55] pieces [1:37:58] of evidence [1:37:58] hard [1:37:59] evidence [1:37:59] to [1:38:00] corroborate [1:38:02] dun sa [1:38:02] sinasabi [1:38:03] niya [1:38:03] sa kanyang [1:38:03] complaint [1:38:04] affidavit [1:38:05] pwede [1:38:06] pwede [1:38:06] pwede pong [1:38:06] ganun [1:38:06] your honor [1:38:07] kasi [1:38:07] one of [1:38:08] the [1:38:08] recommendations [1:38:09] na pwedeng [1:38:10] gawin [1:38:10] ng lawyer [1:38:10] evaluator [1:38:11] is to [1:38:11] dismiss [1:38:12] it [1:38:12] outright [1:38:12] kung makita [1:38:13] nyo [1:38:13] na [1:38:13] frivolous [1:38:14] lang [1:38:14] yung [1:38:15] mga [1:38:15] complaint [1:38:15] so [1:38:16] in other [1:38:17] words [1:38:17] maghahanap [1:38:18] kayo [1:38:19] ng [1:38:20] ebidensya [1:38:20] like I said [1:38:22] earlier [1:38:23] na mag [1:38:23] corroborate [1:38:23] doon sa [1:38:24] sinasabi [1:38:24] sa affidavit [1:38:25] kasi [1:38:25] kung hindi [1:38:25] frivolous [1:38:26] ngayon [1:38:26] sabi mo [1:38:27] initial [1:38:29] evaluation [1:38:30] pa lang [1:38:30] po yun [1:38:31] your honor [1:38:31] pero still [1:38:32] inevaluate [1:38:33] po namin [1:38:33] siya [1:38:33] kung yung [1:38:34] sinasabi [1:38:35] niya [1:38:35] sa affidavit [1:38:36] is supported [1:38:36] by [1:38:37] evidence [1:38:37] okay [1:38:38] last [1:38:38] alam [1:38:39] talaga [1:38:39] so [1:38:39] base [1:38:40] po [1:38:40] na [1:38:40] sa [1:38:40] mga [1:38:40] narinig [1:38:41] natin [1:38:41] ngayon [1:38:41] lahat [1:38:42] dun sa [1:38:42] sinabi [1:38:43] ni [1:38:43] director [1:38:44] ng [1:38:45] NBI [1:38:45] na si [1:38:46] attorney [1:38:47] Melvin [1:38:47] Matibag [1:38:48] paano [1:38:49] po [1:38:49] madidescribe [1:38:50] yung [1:38:51] testimony [1:38:53] o itong [1:38:54] pinagsasabi [1:38:55] nitong [1:38:55] labing [1:38:56] walong [1:38:56] kargador [1:38:57] your honor [1:38:59] hindi ko [1:39:00] po siguro [1:39:00] pwedeng [1:39:01] sagutin yan [1:39:01] because [1:39:02] I did [1:39:02] not [1:39:02] evaluate [1:39:03] that [1:39:03] affidavit [1:39:05] I understand [1:39:05] maraming [1:39:06] salamat [1:39:06] Mr. [1:39:06] Chair [1:39:06] follow up [1:39:07] question [1:39:08] Mr. [1:39:08] Chair [1:39:08] go ahead [1:39:10] senator [1:39:10] just a [1:39:12] quick [1:39:12] question [1:39:13] kay [1:39:13] director [1:39:14] Matibag [1:39:15] in interview [1:39:15] ba ninyo [1:39:16] at kinuha [1:39:17] yung [1:39:17] affidavit [1:39:18] ni [1:39:18] attorney [1:39:18] baligod [1:39:19] yung pong [1:39:20] 18 [1:39:21] marines [1:39:21] po [1:39:22] ka 18 [1:39:22] kargador [1:39:24] in interview [1:39:25] po namin [1:39:26] isa isa [1:39:26] si attorney [1:39:27] baligod [1:39:27] hindi po [1:39:28] kasi [1:39:28] hindi naman [1:39:29] po siya [1:39:29] subject [1:39:30] na [1:39:30] actually [1:39:31] gusto namin [1:39:32] siya [1:39:32] interview [1:39:32] si Mike [1:39:33] Defensor [1:39:34] ayaw nila [1:39:35] wala po [1:39:37] kasi kaming [1:39:37] content power [1:39:38] to force [1:39:39] them [1:39:39] kung [1:39:39] namonitor [1:39:40] nyo yung [1:39:40] hearing [1:39:41] dito [1:39:41] o yung [1:39:42] bogus [1:39:42] na hearing [1:39:43] siya [1:39:43] nagpapaliwanag [1:39:44] siya yung [1:39:46] nagsasalita [1:39:47] on behalf [1:39:47] of the [1:39:48] opo [1:39:49] diba [1:39:50] tama po [1:39:50] nagtataka [1:39:51] nga po [1:39:51] kasi [1:39:52] sa ganun ba [1:39:53] pag siya [1:39:53] ang nagpapaliwanag [1:39:55] ano yun [1:39:55] hearsay [1:39:56] well [1:39:56] ang nangyari [1:39:57] na nga po [1:39:57] niyan [1:39:58] it [1:39:58] validates [1:39:59] and strengthen [1:40:00] the findings [1:40:00] of NBI [1:40:01] na mukhang [1:40:02] kinotes [1:40:03] na tinuro [1:40:04] kasi [1:40:04] ganito po [1:40:05] yan [1:40:05] in approach [1:40:06] niya yung [1:40:06] 18 [1:40:07] actually [1:40:07] 26 [1:40:08] nga po [1:40:08] nung una [1:40:09] yan [1:40:09] naging [1:40:09] 18 [1:40:10] tapos [1:40:11] inihouse [1:40:12] niya [1:40:12] mula November [1:40:13] hanggang February [1:40:14] at sa huyong [1:40:15] nagsulat [1:40:17] nung joint [1:40:18] affidavit [1:40:18] at tama po [1:40:19] Mr. Chairman [1:40:20] nagtataka nga ako [1:40:21] medyo marami-rami [1:40:23] na rin po nga [1:40:23] akong na-attend [1:40:24] naman na [1:40:24] committee hearing [1:40:25] na kung saan [1:40:26] ang abogado [1:40:27] sa likod [1:40:27] pinapopo [1:40:28] at bihiram-bihiram [1:40:30] pagsalitain [1:40:30] yun po yung [1:40:31] ipinagtataka ko [1:40:32] bakit si [1:40:32] Atty. Balikod [1:40:34] ang nagsasalita [1:40:35] baka mas mabuti po [1:40:36] para sa akin [1:40:37] gumawa na rin po [1:40:39] siya ng sarili [1:40:39] niyang affidavit [1:40:40] at siya na po [1:40:41] mismo magreklamo [1:40:42] na rase sa kanya [1:40:43] ba na rin [1:40:43] yun lang ang tanong ko [1:40:44] actually [1:40:45] kasi nga [1:40:46] yun nakita ko [1:40:46] siya mismo [1:40:47] and you're right [1:40:48] and for the record [1:40:49] it's a violation [1:40:50] of our rules [1:40:51] in senate proceedings [1:40:54] when a lawyer [1:40:55] speaks [1:40:56] and [1:40:57] deliberates [1:40:59] on the [1:41:00] and represents [1:41:01] not representing [1:41:03] the resource [1:41:04] persons [1:41:05] so doon maliwanag [1:41:06] na [1:41:07] hindi dapat [1:41:08] nagsasalita [1:41:08] yung abogado [1:41:09] dapat [1:41:10] yung resource [1:41:11] persons [1:41:12] mismo [1:41:12] ang nagsasalita [1:41:13] and for the record [1:41:14] we just wanted [1:41:14] that clarified [1:41:15] thank you [1:41:17] senator [1:41:18] kiko [1:41:19] is that [1:41:19] one quick [1:41:20] kasi we'll just [1:41:21] have to [1:41:22] give the floor [1:41:23] to individuals [1:41:25] who want to ask [1:41:25] questions [1:41:26] yes mr. [1:41:27] chair [1:41:27] isang follow up [1:41:28] question [1:41:28] follow up [1:41:31] question [1:41:31] kaysa [1:41:33] sen rafi [1:41:35] kanina [1:41:35] sa ombudsman [1:41:36] sa nbi [1:41:37] naman po [1:41:38] meron po bang [1:41:39] mapupoint out [1:41:40] ang bureau [1:41:40] na inconsistencies [1:41:42] sa pagitan [1:41:43] ng joint [1:41:43] affidavit [1:41:44] at yung [1:41:45] limang [1:41:45] individual [1:41:46] affidavits [1:41:47] na pinirmahan [1:41:48] o sa pagitan [1:41:49] ng limang [1:41:50] individual [1:41:50] affidavits [1:41:51] any [1:41:52] inconsistencies [1:41:53] po [1:41:53] yun na nga po [1:41:54] nagbigay na ko [1:41:55] ng example [1:41:56] mismo [1:41:56] ng tinanong [1:41:57] sinabidad [1:41:57] na [1:41:58] at isasabit po [1:41:59] namin ito [1:42:00] itong mga aming [1:42:01] interview [1:42:01] tinanong siya [1:42:02] kung nagdeliver [1:42:04] siya ng maleta [1:42:04] may deliver [1:42:05] ba siyang maleta [1:42:06] ang sabot niya [1:42:06] wala [1:42:07] pero dun sa kanilang [1:42:08] mga joint [1:42:09] affidavit [1:42:09] may sinasabi [1:42:10] mr. chair [1:42:11] actually [1:42:12] not only [1:42:13] the affidavit [1:42:14] na sinabit [1:42:14] sa ombudsman [1:42:15] yung pinagbasihan [1:42:16] namin [1:42:16] nakita rin po [1:42:17] namin [1:42:18] yung mga lumabas [1:42:18] sa social media [1:42:19] na unang [1:42:20] affidavit [1:42:20] at saka po [1:42:22] yung testimony [1:42:23] nung nakaraan dito [1:42:24] at nakita na po [1:42:25] namin [1:42:26] yung mga [1:42:26] inconsistencies [1:42:27] in fact [1:42:27] gumawa po kami [1:42:28] ng parang [1:42:29] diagram [1:42:30] dyan [1:42:30] nakalagay na po [1:42:31] dyan [1:42:31] ito yung affidavit [1:42:32] dito [1:42:33] ito yung lumabas [1:42:34] at ano yung [1:42:34] inconsistencies [1:42:35] that will be [1:42:36] part of our [1:42:37] submission to the [1:42:38] committee [1:42:38] mr. chair [1:42:38] all right [1:42:39] all right [1:42:39] thank you [1:42:39] thank you [1:42:41] director [1:42:42] of the [1:42:43] nbi [1:42:43] maraming [1:42:43] salamat [1:42:44] committee [1:42:45] secretary [1:42:46] can you put [1:42:49] this on record [1:42:49] or send [1:42:50] and then send [1:42:51] someone [1:42:51] from the [1:42:52] blue ribbon [1:42:53] committee [1:42:55] to go [1:42:56] upstairs [1:42:57] office [1:42:57] senator [1:42:58] robin [1:42:59] padilla [1:42:59] to inquire [1:43:01] the good [1:43:02] senator [1:43:03] kung [1:43:04] sasamahan [1:43:05] niya ba [1:43:05] yung [1:43:06] 18 [1:43:07] bodyguards [1:43:08] dito sa [1:43:09] blue ribbon [1:43:10] hearing [1:43:10] yes just to put [1:43:11] on record [1:43:12] para [1:43:12] ika nga [1:43:13] mas maayos po [1:43:14] dahil [1:43:15] while we're [1:43:15] conducting [1:43:16] this hearing [1:43:17] ongoing din po [1:43:18] yung kanilang [1:43:18] press conference [1:43:19] po dun sa [1:43:20] taas [1:43:20] so might [1:43:21] as well [1:43:22] mabuti [1:43:22] bumaba na lang [1:43:23] sila dito [1:43:24] para ika nga [1:43:25] may lahat [1:43:26] nila yung [1:43:26] gusto nilang [1:43:26] sabihin [1:43:27] matanong po [1:43:28] natin sila [1:43:28] maayos [1:43:29] and like [1:43:30] dito na [1:43:30] puro press [1:43:31] conference [1:43:32] po sila [1:43:32] so committee [1:43:33] secretary [1:43:34] i'm directing [1:43:34] you to [1:43:35] send one [1:43:36] of your [1:43:36] staff [1:43:37] or your [1:43:37] personnel [1:43:38] to invite [1:43:39] or to ask [1:43:40] senator [1:43:40] robin [1:43:41] padilla [1:43:41] inquire [1:43:42] if they're [1:43:42] still [1:43:43] interested [1:43:43] coming down [1:43:44] here [1:43:44] sa blue [1:43:45] ribbon [1:43:45] hearing [1:43:46] po natin [1:43:47] para malinaw [1:43:48] po on [1:43:49] record [1:43:49] lahat [1:43:49] hindi po [1:43:50] yung [1:43:50] bisita [1:43:51] po natin [1:43:52] ni senator [1:43:52] robin [1:43:53] padilla [1:43:53] yung [1:43:53] labing [1:43:54] walong [1:43:54] bodyguard [1:43:55] na yun [1:43:56] at si [1:43:56] attorney [1:43:56] baligod [1:43:57] at [1:43:58] nagbibigay [1:43:59] na sa [1:43:59] fifth [1:43:59] floor [1:43:59] nagbibigay [1:44:00] po ng [1:44:00] press [1:44:00] conference [1:44:01] ang [1:44:02] nagtatanong [1:44:03] lamang [1:44:03] po [1:44:03] ang [1:44:03] media [1:44:03] and [1:44:04] and [1:44:04] andito [1:44:04] po tayo [1:44:05] lahat [1:44:05] gusto [1:44:05] po natin [1:44:06] silang [1:44:06] matanong [1:44:06] at marinig [1:44:07] ito po [1:44:08] siguro [1:44:08] ang [1:44:08] tamang [1:44:09] venue [1:44:10] na [1:44:11] ikang [1:44:11] magpahayag [1:44:12] sila [1:44:12] hindi po [1:44:13] sa isang [1:44:13] media [1:44:14] conference [1:44:15] so committee [1:44:15] secretary [1:44:16] go ahead [1:44:17] and send [1:44:17] someone [1:44:18] to [1:44:18] to the [1:44:19] office [1:44:19] of [1:44:19] senator [1:44:20] robin [1:44:21] okay [1:44:21] let's [1:44:21] let's [1:44:22] move [1:44:22] on [1:44:22] yung [1:44:23] order [1:44:24] of [1:44:24] arrival [1:44:24] po [1:44:25] ng [1:44:25] line [1:44:25] of [1:44:25] questioning [1:44:26] senator [1:44:26] jv [1:44:27] senator [1:44:28] baum [1:44:28] and [1:44:29] senator [1:44:31] jv [1:44:32] senator [1:44:32] baum [1:44:33] senator [1:44:33] risa [1:44:34] senator [1:44:34] soto [1:44:35] but [1:44:36] before that [1:44:39] may tatanong [1:44:40] po yata [1:44:40] si [1:44:41] senate [1:44:41] pro tempore [1:44:42] gatchel [1:44:43] yan [1:44:44] maraming salamat [1:44:44] mr chairman [1:44:45] this is [1:44:46] directed [1:44:47] to [1:44:47] attorney [1:44:49] matibag [1:44:49] director [1:44:50] of the [1:44:50] nbi [1:44:51] meron [1:44:52] ho [1:44:52] kayong [1:44:53] mga [1:44:53] nasabi [1:44:55] sa media [1:44:56] na merong [1:44:56] informant [1:44:57] actually [1:44:58] tutuloy ko [1:44:58] lang po [1:44:58] yung [1:44:59] tanong [1:45:00] ni [1:45:00] senator [1:45:01] rafi [1:45:02] na meron [1:45:02] kayong [1:45:03] informant [1:45:03] na [1:45:04] nagsabi [1:45:05] na [1:45:05] si [1:45:06] mike [1:45:06] defensor [1:45:07] ay [1:45:07] nag-offer [1:45:08] ng [1:45:08] 5 [1:45:08] million [1:45:09] pesos [1:45:09] dito [1:45:10] sa [1:45:10] 18 [1:45:11] bodyguards [1:45:12] can [1:45:12] you [1:45:13] give [1:45:13] us [1:45:13] a [1:45:14] narration [1:45:14] of [1:45:15] that [1:45:15] and [1:45:15] base [1:45:17] sa [1:45:17] inyong [1:45:18] statement [1:45:18] meron [1:45:18] rin [1:45:19] sinumpa [1:45:19] ang [1:45:19] salay [1:45:20] sa [1:45:20] ito [1:45:20] meron [1:45:23] po [1:45:23] kasi [1:45:23] kaming [1:45:23] sa [1:45:24] NBI [1:45:24] po [1:45:24] we [1:45:25] function [1:45:25] na [1:45:25] meron [1:45:26] po [1:45:26] mga [1:45:26] tinatawag [1:45:27] kaming [1:45:27] ala [1:45:27] power [1:45:27] assets [1:45:28] na [1:45:29] nag-gather [1:45:30] po [1:45:30] ng mga [1:45:31] intelligence [1:45:31] report [1:45:32] yan [1:45:32] so [1:45:33] so [1:45:33] he [1:45:33] came [1:45:34] across [1:45:34] dito [1:45:34] sa [1:45:35] parang [1:45:35] hindi [1:45:36] son [1:45:36] in-law [1:45:37] talaga [1:45:37] but [1:45:37] he [1:45:38] is [1:45:38] a [1:45:38] partner [1:45:38] of [1:45:39] the [1:45:39] daughter [1:45:39] nung [1:45:40] isa [1:45:41] sa [1:45:41] 18 [1:45:43] bodyguards [1:45:45] I [1:45:45] I [1:45:45] think [1:45:46] siguro [1:45:46] for [1:45:46] purposes [1:45:48] na [1:45:48] mas [1:45:49] malinaw [1:45:50] pwede [1:45:51] ko [1:45:51] na rin [1:45:51] siguro [1:45:52] bangitin [1:45:52] yung [1:45:52] pangalan [1:45:53] tutal [1:45:53] napadala [1:45:54] naman [1:45:54] siya [1:45:54] ng [1:45:55] pangalan [1:45:57] si [1:45:57] Anselmo [1:45:58] Taberdo [1:45:59] po [1:45:59] yung isa [1:46:00] sa Marines [1:46:00] na [1:46:01] may anak [1:46:02] siya [1:46:02] at [1:46:03] partner [1:46:03] niya [1:46:03] po [1:46:04] itong [1:46:04] nakausap [1:46:06] ng ating [1:46:06] mga [1:46:06] ahente [1:46:07] at [1:46:07] nagpahayag [1:46:08] po siya [1:46:09] ng malayang [1:46:09] pahayag [1:46:10] recorded [1:46:10] din po [1:46:11] ito [1:46:11] noong [1:46:12] April [1:46:13] 28 [1:46:13] and I [1:46:13] will also [1:46:14] submit [1:46:14] na [1:46:15] yung [1:46:16] parang [1:46:17] salaysay [1:46:18] niya [1:46:18] na [1:46:19] kanyang [1:46:19] pinirmahan [1:46:19] malayang [1:46:20] pinirmahan [1:46:20] na [1:46:21] ang sinasabi [1:46:22] po [1:46:22] rito [1:46:22] sa [1:46:22] salaysay [1:46:23] na [1:46:24] itong [1:46:25] si [1:46:25] Anselmo [1:46:25] Taberdo [1:46:26] ay [1:46:27] isa [1:46:27] sa [1:46:27] mga [1:46:27] dun sa [1:46:28] labing [1:46:28] walo [1:46:28] na [1:46:29] in-approach [1:46:30] ng grupo [1:46:30] ni Mike [1:46:31] Defensor [1:46:31] at [1:46:32] pinangakuan [1:46:32] ng [1:46:33] limang [1:46:33] milyong [1:46:34] piso [1:46:34] kapalit [1:46:35] ng [1:46:35] pagsasalita [1:46:36] ang sinabi [1:46:38] malino pa [1:46:38] nga po [1:46:39] sinabi [1:46:39] mag-aapir [1:46:40] sa [1:46:40] media [1:46:40] at [1:46:41] magkakaroon [1:46:43] ng [1:46:43] testimonya [1:46:44] so [1:46:44] dun po [1:46:46] ang pangako [1:46:46] limang [1:46:47] milyon [1:46:47] at kaya [1:46:47] po [1:46:47] binabanggit [1:46:48] niya [1:46:48] ito [1:46:48] personal [1:46:49] sa [1:46:49] kanya [1:46:49] sinabi [1:46:50] niya [1:46:50] na [1:46:50] silang [1:46:51] magkakapartner [1:46:52] may anak [1:46:52] po [1:46:52] silang [1:46:53] isa [1:46:53] ay [1:46:53] pinangakuan [1:46:54] ng [1:46:54] 500,000 [1:46:56] para [1:46:56] makapagnegosyo [1:46:57] sila [1:46:58] so [1:46:58] ngayon [1:46:59] nung tinatanong [1:47:00] yung [1:47:00] 500,000 [1:47:01] dun po [1:47:01] na ikwento [1:47:02] na [1:47:02] ang [1:47:03] naibibigay [1:47:04] pa lang [1:47:04] daw [1:47:04] ay [1:47:05] 700,000 [1:47:06] pero [1:47:06] eventually [1:47:07] bumalik [1:47:08] po siya [1:47:08] noong [1:47:09] May 6 [1:47:10] sa aming [1:47:11] pong [1:47:11] tanggapan [1:47:11] para [1:47:12] magdagdag [1:47:12] pa ng [1:47:13] kanyang [1:47:13] testimonya [1:47:14] at [1:47:14] nilinaw [1:47:15] niya [1:47:15] na [1:47:15] hindi pa [1:47:16] pala [1:47:16] nabibigay [1:47:17] talaga [1:47:17] yung [1:47:17] 700,000 [1:47:18] 350,000 [1:47:20] pa lang [1:47:20] yung [1:47:21] nabigay [1:47:21] at [1:47:22] utay-utay [1:47:22] pa po [1:47:23] itong [1:47:23] naibigay [1:47:24] so [1:47:24] noong pong [1:47:25] magkakaroon [1:47:26] ng [1:47:26] sila [1:47:28] nagpatawag [1:47:29] dito [1:47:29] noong [1:47:29] June [1:47:30] na [1:47:30] yung [1:47:30] pagdinig [1:47:31] po nila [1:47:32] rito [1:47:32] we [1:47:33] contact [1:47:33] itong [1:47:33] persona [1:47:34] ito [1:47:34] to [1:47:34] validate [1:47:35] ulit [1:47:36] at [1:47:36] katunayan [1:47:37] sinusurveilas [1:47:38] at sinusundan [1:47:39] ba rin [1:47:39] naman po [1:47:39] namin [1:47:40] siya [1:47:40] kasi [1:47:41] nga [1:47:41] po [1:47:41] kaibat [1:47:42] nito [1:47:42] nagpadala [1:47:43] na kami [1:47:43] ng [1:47:44] sabpina [1:47:44] kay [1:47:45] Mike [1:47:45] Defensor [1:47:46] at [1:47:46] kay [1:47:47] Anselmo [1:47:47] Taberdo [1:47:48] para [1:47:48] magbigay [1:47:49] lino [1:47:49] po [1:47:50] dito [1:47:50] sa [1:47:50] testimonya [1:47:51] nitong [1:47:51] tao [1:47:52] na ito [1:47:52] yun po [1:47:53] yung sinasabi [1:47:53] natin [1:47:54] Mr. Chair [1:47:55] na lahat [1:47:55] po [1:47:56] ng papasok [1:47:56] na ebidensya [1:47:57] sa amin [1:47:57] sa NBI [1:47:58] ay binibigyang [1:47:58] halaga namin [1:47:59] at amin [1:48:00] pong sinusundan [1:48:00] Director [1:48:02] Can you state [1:48:04] the name [1:48:04] of this informant [1:48:05] is it possible [1:48:06] sabihin [1:48:08] yung kanyang [1:48:09] pangalan [1:48:10] Well [1:48:10] ang pangalan [1:48:11] po niya [1:48:11] ay si [1:48:12] Brent [1:48:12] Ragasa [1:48:12] siya [1:48:14] 28 years [1:48:14] old [1:48:15] Fred [1:48:16] Ragasa [1:48:17] Opo [1:48:17] Brent [1:48:18] Brent po [1:48:19] And [1:48:20] pwede rin [1:48:23] po ba [1:48:24] siyang [1:48:24] dalin [1:48:24] dito [1:48:25] para magbigay [1:48:25] ng personal [1:48:26] testimony [1:48:27] yun po ang [1:48:27] pinapavalidate [1:48:28] namin [1:48:28] kasi [1:48:29] tinatawag [1:48:30] ang huling [1:48:30] pakikipag-usap [1:48:31] po sa aming [1:48:32] mga [1:48:32] investigador [1:48:34] ay tinatawagan [1:48:35] siya ngayon [1:48:35] ito ni Anselmo [1:48:37] Anselmo [1:48:37] Taberdo [1:48:38] Is he willing [1:48:39] to come here [1:48:39] to give his testimony? [1:48:40] Ihalamin po namin [1:48:41] yung po itanong namin [1:48:42] dahil [1:48:43] nung po siya [1:48:43] kinuhuhanan [1:48:46] namin ulit [1:48:46] ng testimonya [1:48:48] ay mukhang [1:48:49] sumasabay [1:48:49] na tinatawagan [1:48:50] siya bigla po [1:48:51] nung grupo nila [1:48:51] Ano ang motibo [1:48:52] naman itong taong to? [1:48:55] Gusto ko malaman [1:48:56] bakit siya biglang [1:48:57] nagbigay [1:49:00] ng ganitong [1:49:01] information [1:49:02] considering na [1:49:03] parang son-in-law [1:49:04] siya? [1:49:05] Tinitingnan po namin [1:49:06] base sa kwento niya [1:49:07] mukhang mayroon [1:49:08] ng diferensya [1:49:08] yung magka-partner [1:49:09] at siya ngayon [1:49:11] yung may dala [1:49:11] dun sa anak niya [1:49:13] so parang may [1:49:13] personal reason po [1:49:15] na tungkol dun [1:49:15] sa kanilang relasyon [1:49:17] at maaaring yung [1:49:17] isang dahilan [1:49:18] pinag-iisipan [1:49:20] hindi dumating [1:49:20] yung talagang [1:49:21] pangako na [1:49:22] 500,000 [1:49:23] bilang parte dun [1:49:24] sa makukuha [1:49:25] dapat na [1:49:26] 5,000,000 [1:49:26] piso [1:49:26] yung parang may [1:49:28] because of that [1:49:30] personal circumstance [1:49:31] nagsalita siya [1:49:34] doon [1:49:34] and based on your [1:49:36] analysis [1:49:36] itong informant [1:49:38] is a credible [1:49:39] witness [1:49:41] itong si Ragasa [1:49:43] si Mr. Ragasa [1:49:44] pag binalidate po [1:49:45] yung kanyang [1:49:45] personal circumstances [1:49:46] at relationship [1:49:47] maaaring po talagang [1:49:48] napagkwentuhan [1:49:49] dun na nga po [1:49:50] Mr. Chair po [1:49:51] mapasok yung aming [1:49:52] kagustuhan [1:49:53] na ipatawag [1:49:54] si Anselmo Taverdo [1:49:55] at si Mike Defensor [1:49:57] para po [1:49:57] mas mabigyang linaw [1:49:59] yung testimony [1:49:59] ang ibinibigay po [1:50:00] nitong tao na ito [1:50:03] base ba dun [1:50:04] sa information [1:50:04] na consummate [1:50:06] ba itong [1:50:06] 5,000,000 [1:50:07] na ibigay ba? [1:50:08] Hindi pa po [1:50:08] lumalabas po [1:50:09] sa huling statement [1:50:10] 350 [1:50:11] 350 pa lang po [1:50:12] yung kabuwang [1:50:13] natatanggap [1:50:13] pero [1:50:14] may mga [1:50:15] kwinento pa po siya [1:50:16] na [1:50:16] siya ay [1:50:18] yung mga lugar [1:50:19] kaya po [1:50:19] nagkaroon ng [1:50:20] credibility [1:50:21] sinunda namin [1:50:21] yung mga lugar [1:50:22] na binabanggit [1:50:23] kung nasaan [1:50:24] yung labing walo [1:50:25] ay tumutog [1:50:26] mapuro sa kanyang [1:50:27] storya [1:50:28] And [1:50:29] nasaan na itong [1:50:30] taong to? [1:50:31] Is he [1:50:31] under [1:50:32] NBI custody? [1:50:33] Wala po [1:50:34] sa aming custody [1:50:35] pero [1:50:35] alam po namin [1:50:37] kung saan siya [1:50:38] nakatira [1:50:38] dati pong [1:50:39] nasa tagig [1:50:40] lumipat po [1:50:40] ng tirahan [1:50:41] at amin po [1:50:41] siyang minamanmanan [1:50:42] po [1:50:43] nakasurveillance po [1:50:44] And then [1:50:44] gusto ko lang po rin [1:50:46] matanong [1:50:47] itong [1:50:47] informant na ito [1:50:49] nag [1:50:50] an ba siya [1:50:53] nag-appear [1:50:54] personally [1:50:54] sa NBI [1:50:55] Opo [1:50:56] dalawang beses po [1:50:57] katunayan [1:50:58] nung isang beses [1:50:59] nagpunta siya [1:50:59] mayroon pang isang [1:51:00] media personality [1:51:01] na nakapag-cover [1:51:02] po sa kanya [1:51:02] at recorded po [1:51:04] lahat [1:51:04] ang kanya pong [1:51:05] pagdalo sa NBI [1:51:06] Pasubit na lang [1:51:07] sa committee [1:51:08] rin yung [1:51:08] in confidence [1:51:10] I know this is [1:51:10] a confidential matter [1:51:12] for [1:51:13] yung [1:51:14] pasubit na lang [1:51:16] sa amin [1:51:16] yung video [1:51:17] as well as [1:51:18] yung transcripts [1:51:19] ng interview [1:51:20] we'll comply [1:51:20] para we can [1:51:21] we can [1:51:23] look at it [1:51:25] and then [1:51:26] balikan ko lang [1:51:28] kanina yung [1:51:28] inyong presentation [1:51:29] director [1:51:30] based on your [1:51:31] analysis [1:51:32] doon sa mga [1:51:34] sinumpaang [1:51:35] salaysay [1:51:36] nung 18 [1:51:37] bodyguards [1:51:37] anong analysis [1:51:39] nyo [1:51:40] bottom line [1:51:41] kasi nakita ko [1:51:43] marami kayong [1:51:44] standards [1:51:45] na sinusundan [1:51:45] and these are [1:51:46] legal standards [1:51:47] na ayon sa batas [1:51:48] but based on [1:51:49] your analysis [1:51:50] ano ang itong [1:51:51] itong kanilang [1:51:52] mga sinumpaang [1:51:52] salaysay [1:51:53] ano ang inyong [1:51:55] analysis dito [1:51:56] well unang una po [1:51:57] yung pinagsamang [1:51:59] sinumpaang salaysay [1:52:00] nila [1:52:00] na isinumiti [1:52:01] sa ombudsman [1:52:02] meryo marami [1:52:04] pong kaduda-duda [1:52:05] sabi ko nga [1:52:05] kung meron pong [1:52:06] mga katotohanan [1:52:08] doon [1:52:08] at hindi base [1:52:08] sa hearsay [1:52:09] mga 10 to 20% [1:52:10] malaki na po [1:52:11] yung 20% [1:52:12] at nung [1:52:12] brinake doon [1:52:13] pangunap ka po [1:52:14] namin ito [1:52:15] at tanungin [1:52:15] isa-isa [1:52:16] yung 18 [1:52:16] eh lalo pong [1:52:18] napagtiba [1:52:18] yung aming [1:52:19] pananaw [1:52:21] na ito [1:52:22] ay hindi namin [1:52:23] maaaring magamit [1:52:24] para magsampan [1:52:25] ang kaso [1:52:25] doon sa mga [1:52:26] taong nabanggit [1:52:27] at higit pa po [1:52:29] dyan [1:52:29] lumalabas na talagang [1:52:31] mukhang sinulat [1:52:32] at [1:52:33] kinotes [1:52:34] corroborated po [1:52:36] yung pagsusulat [1:52:37] nitong [1:52:38] pinagsamang [1:52:39] sunumpang [1:52:39] salaysay [1:52:40] in addition to [1:52:41] distilling [1:52:42] na po namin [1:52:42] yung mga [1:52:43] pronouncements [1:52:44] sa media [1:52:44] sa social media [1:52:45] yung unang [1:52:46] mga lumabas [1:52:47] na pinagsamang [1:52:48] sunumpang [1:52:48] salaysay [1:52:49] eh [1:52:49] marami pong [1:52:51] inconsistency [1:52:51] masyado [1:52:52] na magiging [1:52:53] problema po [1:52:54] pag amin pong [1:52:54] inakyat [1:52:55] sa prosecution [1:52:56] at pati na rin [1:52:57] po sa korte [1:52:58] kung [1:52:58] ito [1:52:58] itatayo [1:52:59] and [1:53:02] kung [1:53:02] ganun [1:53:04] meron bang [1:53:05] violation [1:53:06] of the law [1:53:06] na ginawa itong [1:53:08] mga [1:53:08] taong ito [1:53:10] meron silang [1:53:12] meron silang [1:53:13] sinumpang [1:53:13] salaysay [1:53:14] pumunta ba sila [1:53:14] sa NBI [1:53:15] to personally [1:53:16] give the [1:53:17] statement [1:53:18] or [1:53:19] meron ba silang [1:53:20] personal narration [1:53:21] sa NBI [1:53:21] sinupi na po namin [1:53:22] sila [1:53:23] pumunta po sila [1:53:24] yung una [1:53:24] ayaw nilang [1:53:25] magbigay ng [1:53:26] pahayag [1:53:27] so binigyan po namin [1:53:28] ng pangalawang [1:53:29] pagkakataon [1:53:30] kasama po sa [1:53:31] sinupi na dyan [1:53:31] nga sila [1:53:32] yung [1:53:33] mga may kinalaman [1:53:34] si Bishop [1:53:34] Efren Tendero [1:53:36] si Mike Defensor [1:53:38] yung asawa po [1:53:39] ni Mike Defensor [1:53:40] mga ilang [1:53:42] personalities po [1:53:43] pero [1:53:44] hindi po [1:53:45] nagbigay ng [1:53:46] testimonya [1:53:46] yung iba [1:53:47] yung bumalik po sila [1:53:49] yung pong [1:53:50] labing walo [1:53:51] nagbigay po [1:53:52] ng testimonya nila [1:53:53] pero dun po [1:53:53] sa labing walo [1:53:54] lima lamang po [1:53:55] ang pumirma [1:53:56] Mr. Chair [1:53:57] yung labing tatlo po [1:53:58] pinigilan ni [1:53:59] Atty. Balikod [1:54:01] na pirmahan [1:54:01] at gusto niya [1:54:02] ay kanya munang [1:54:03] reviewin [1:54:04] yung naging mga [1:54:05] statement [1:54:05] nung labing walo [1:54:06] nagkaroon pa nga po [1:54:07] ng isidente [1:54:08] na gustong punitin [1:54:09] ni Atty. Balikod [1:54:11] yung mga testimonya [1:54:13] nung mga [1:54:14] labing walong [1:54:15] bodyguards [1:54:17] na hindi naman po [1:54:18] natin pinayagan [1:54:19] kaya meron po [1:54:20] kaming hawak [1:54:20] na limang [1:54:21] yung interview po [1:54:22] alam nyo po [1:54:23] yung parang blatter [1:54:24] na question and answer [1:54:25] na pirmahan po [1:54:26] nung lima [1:54:27] yung labing tatlo [1:54:28] hindi na po [1:54:28] pumirma [1:54:29] I would assume [1:54:30] na kung [1:54:30] buo yung loob mo [1:54:32] magbigay ng testimonya [1:54:34] pupunta ka doon [1:54:34] magbigay ka testimonya [1:54:35] permahan mo [1:54:36] Tama po yan [1:54:38] Mr. Chair [1:54:38] How come there's [1:54:39] mayroon pang commotion [1:54:40] and drama [1:54:40] na nangyari [1:54:41] na may pupunitin [1:54:42] at hindi po [1:54:43] mayroon lahat [1:54:43] Marahe pong drama [1:54:45] nangyari [1:54:45] yung unang patawag [1:54:46] pa lang [1:54:46] ano po [1:54:47] actually [1:54:48] nung unang patawag [1:54:48] pa lang po [1:54:49] mas mahaba pa [1:54:50] yung naging salita [1:54:51] ni Mike Defensor [1:54:52] at ang kanyang abogado [1:54:53] sa media ng MBI [1:54:54] kaysa po [1:54:55] makipag-usap [1:54:56] ng maayos [1:54:56] sa aming mga [1:54:57] investigador [1:54:58] at illegally [1:55:00] binidio capture [1:55:01] nila yung [1:55:02] pag-iimbestiga [1:55:03] tapos inilabas [1:55:04] nila sa media [1:55:05] so may mga [1:55:06] behavior po [1:55:07] na ganun [1:55:07] pero ang naging [1:55:08] instruction po [1:55:09] natin doon [1:55:09] sa ating mga [1:55:10] investigador [1:55:10] is to exercise [1:55:11] maximum tolerance [1:55:13] kasi alam naman po [1:55:14] natin [1:55:14] parang politically [1:55:16] high profile [1:55:17] itong kaso na ito [1:55:18] kaya atin pong [1:55:19] iningatan [1:55:20] hanggang suno [1:55:21] nagbigay na po [1:55:21] sila ng pahayag nila [1:55:22] at ayaw namang [1:55:23] pirmahan [1:55:23] kaya ang hirap [1:55:25] din pong gamitin [1:55:26] tama po [1:55:27] pero [1:55:27] meron din po [1:55:28] kaming recording [1:55:29] lahat po [1:55:29] ng proceedings [1:55:30] siningi namin [1:55:31] ng kanilang consent [1:55:32] na amin pong [1:55:33] ibibidio record [1:55:33] yung pong proceedings [1:55:34] at meron po tayo [1:55:35] noon [1:55:36] ipakisubmit na lang [1:55:38] sa committee rin [1:55:38] so that we can [1:55:40] analyze and also [1:55:40] the full transcript [1:55:41] para rin [1:55:43] mabasa namin [1:55:45] at maanalyze namin [1:55:46] dito [1:55:47] and my last question [1:55:48] Mr. Chairman [1:55:49] before I go [1:55:49] to any round [1:55:50] based on your [1:55:52] analysis [1:55:52] kung lima lang [1:55:53] ang pumerma [1:55:54] base sa inyong [1:55:55] testimonya [1:55:57] ngayon [1:55:58] can we take [1:55:59] the entire [1:56:00] testimonies [1:56:03] kasi [1:56:05] sinabi nyo [1:56:06] 10% [1:56:06] yung [1:56:07] masasabing [1:56:09] direct [1:56:09] information [1:56:10] the 90% [1:56:11] hindi [1:56:11] so ano [1:56:13] ang analysis [1:56:14] ng [1:56:14] NDA [1:56:16] on this [1:56:16] entire [1:56:17] testimony [1:56:19] or testimonies [1:56:20] ang mahirap [1:56:20] ang mahirap po [1:56:21] yung 10% [1:56:21] na totoo [1:56:22] totoo [1:56:22] naging [1:56:23] empleyado [1:56:23] halimbawa po [1:56:24] yung totoo [1:56:24] naging [1:56:24] empleyado [1:56:25] sila [1:56:25] ni [1:56:25] Saldico [1:56:26] na [1:56:27] tapos [1:56:28] totoo po [1:56:28] na [1:56:29] sila [1:56:30] na-assign [1:56:31] kung [1:56:32] kani-kanino [1:56:32] totoo po [1:56:33] na [1:56:33] dating [1:56:34] marines [1:56:34] yung [1:56:35] iba [1:56:35] yun po [1:56:36] yung mga [1:56:37] totoo [1:56:37] totoong [1:56:38] kakilala [1:56:38] nila [1:56:39] siguro [1:56:39] yung [1:56:39] ibang [1:56:39] tao [1:56:40] pero [1:56:40] yung [1:56:40] mismong [1:56:41] allegation [1:56:41] na po [1:56:42] ng [1:56:42] nangyaring [1:56:42] krimen [1:56:43] na nag-deliver [1:56:44] siya [1:56:44] ng pera [1:56:44] directly [1:56:45] yun po [1:56:46] dapat yung [1:56:46] alam nila [1:56:47] hindi po [1:56:48] nila alam [1:56:49] kung talagang [1:56:49] yung [1:56:49] lamang [1:56:49] ng [1:56:50] maleta [1:56:50] ay [1:56:50] pera [1:56:51] meron [1:56:51] pa nga [1:56:52] pong [1:56:52] isa [1:56:52] dun sa [1:56:52] pumirma [1:56:53] yung [1:56:53] sinabidad [1:56:53] binanggat [1:56:54] ko [1:57:05] magmumukhang [1:57:06] maganda yung [1:57:07] istorya [1:57:07] at paniniwalaan [1:57:09] pwedeng [1:57:09] paniwalaan [1:57:10] for [1:57:10] purposes [1:57:12] other than [1:57:12] prosecuting [1:57:14] or going [1:57:14] after [1:57:14] dun sa mga [1:57:15] nagkamali [1:57:16] e mukhang [1:57:16] hindi po [1:57:17] titindig [1:57:17] binanggit [1:57:18] nga po [1:57:18] kanina [1:57:19] ni [1:57:19] P.J. [1:57:20] Padulion [1:57:20] na [1:57:20] binaba na [1:57:21] namin [1:57:22] yung [1:57:22] standard [1:57:22] to [1:57:23] probable [1:57:24] cause [1:57:25] e hindi [1:57:26] pa rin [1:57:26] po [1:57:27] lulusot [1:57:27] e [1:57:27] hindi pa rin [1:57:28] po [1:57:28] papasok [1:57:29] sa [1:57:29] probable [1:57:29] cause [1:57:30] kasi [1:57:30] gusto [1:57:30] lang [1:57:31] nga po [1:57:31] namin [1:57:31] makita [1:57:32] na [1:57:32] maimbestigahan [1:57:33] yung mga [1:57:33] binanggit [1:57:34] na tao [1:57:34] na gusto [1:57:35] rin [1:57:35] nila [1:57:35] gusto [1:57:35] rin [1:57:36] po [1:57:36] namin [1:57:36] ipatawag [1:57:37] ang problema [1:57:38] po [1:57:38] namin [1:57:38] Mr. [1:57:39] Chair [1:57:39] pag [1:57:39] ipinatawag [1:57:40] namin [1:57:40] base [1:57:41] rin sa [1:57:41] kanilang [1:57:41] inilatag [1:57:43] na [1:57:43] joint [1:57:43] David [1:57:43] na yun [1:57:44] e baka [1:57:45] po [1:57:45] mukhang [1:57:45] nagpipishing [1:57:46] expedition [1:57:47] kami [1:57:47] at kami [1:57:47] naman [1:57:48] po [1:57:48] ang [1:57:48] papanagutin [1:57:49] ng mga [1:57:49] taong [1:57:49] aming [1:57:50] ipinapatawag [1:57:50] po [1:57:51] Thank you [1:57:52] Mr. [1:57:52] Chairman [1:57:52] Maraming [1:57:53] Salamat [1:57:54] Acting [1:57:55] President [1:57:56] Gachilana [1:57:56] Senator [1:57:57] JV [1:57:57] it's your [1:57:58] third [1:57:58] Thank you [1:57:59] Mr. [1:57:59] Chair [1:57:59] before we [1:58:00] move on [1:58:01] to another [1:58:01] topic [1:58:01] siguro [1:58:03] nabanggit [1:58:03] kanina [1:58:04] I'd just like [1:58:05] to ask [1:58:05] probably [1:58:06] the NBI [1:58:07] or DOJ [1:58:08] are there [1:58:09] efforts [1:58:09] to locate [1:58:10] yung [1:58:10] nabanggit [1:58:11] na [1:58:12] doon sa [1:58:13] affidavit [1:58:13] yung mga [1:58:14] EA [1:58:15] ni Saldico [1:58:16] yung Paul [1:58:18] Estrada [1:58:18] Mark [1:58:19] Tixay [1:58:20] Roberto [1:58:21] Albarigo [1:58:22] ito yung [1:58:23] nabanggit [1:58:23] na rin [1:58:24] ng mga [1:58:24] Blue Ribbon [1:58:25] Committee [1:58:25] hearing [1:58:26] na [1:58:27] naalala [1:58:28] ko [1:58:28] na kasi [1:58:28] na ito [1:58:29] yung mga [1:58:29] taong [1:58:30] individual [1:58:30] na malapit [1:58:31] kay Saldico [1:58:31] and they [1:58:32] were also [1:58:33] mentioned [1:58:33] Mr. [1:58:33] Chair [1:58:34] doon sa [1:58:35] affidavit [1:58:35] ni [1:58:36] Gil [1:58:36] Navidad [1:58:37] at ni [1:58:37] Ancel [1:58:39] Taberdo [1:58:40] Tama [1:58:40] no [1:58:40] Director [1:58:42] they were [1:58:43] also [1:58:43] mentioned [1:58:43] itong [1:58:44] mga [1:58:45] malalapit [1:58:45] supposedly [1:58:46] kay Saldico [1:58:47] ang [1:58:47] tanong [1:58:48] ko [1:58:48] na may [1:58:48] effort [1:58:49] ba tayo [1:58:49] mahanap [1:58:49] itong [1:58:50] mga [1:58:50] executive [1:58:53] assistant [1:58:54] o itong [1:58:55] alleged [1:58:55] bagman [1:58:56] ni Saldico [1:58:57] dahil [1:58:58] kung [1:58:58] sakasakali [1:58:59] pagpalagay na [1:59:00] natin [1:59:00] meron [1:59:02] 5-10% [1:59:03] lang [1:59:03] magagamit [1:59:04] doon [1:59:04] dahil [1:59:04] kilala nila [1:59:05] yung mga [1:59:05] tao [1:59:06] eh pwede [1:59:07] pa rin [1:59:07] magamit [1:59:08] attorney [1:59:09] mayroon [1:59:10] effort [1:59:11] to look [1:59:11] for [1:59:11] these [1:59:12] individuals [1:59:12] well [1:59:13] we are [1:59:14] willing [1:59:15] to see [1:59:15] issues [1:59:16] of [1:59:16] Pina [1:59:16] to [1:59:16] TM [1:59:17] pero [1:59:18] yung [1:59:19] identification [1:59:20] nila [1:59:21] at personal [1:59:22] circumstances [1:59:23] hindi [1:59:23] maibigay [1:59:24] sa amin [1:59:24] noong [1:59:25] 18 [1:59:25] Marines [1:59:26] so [1:59:26] if there's [1:59:27] an effort [1:59:28] there's [1:59:28] a continuing [1:59:29] effort [1:59:29] lahat [1:59:29] naman [1:59:30] po [1:59:30] dito [1:59:30] yung [1:59:30] mga [1:59:30] binanggit [1:59:31] make [1:59:32] no [1:59:33] mistake [1:59:33] na ibig sabihin [1:59:34] dahil [1:59:34] hindi [1:59:35] maayos [1:59:36] yung [1:59:36] pagkasalaysay [1:59:37] dito [1:59:37] sa pinagsamang [1:59:38] sinumpang [1:59:38] salaysay [1:59:39] eh hindi na [1:59:40] namin [1:59:40] titignan [1:59:41] titignan [1:59:41] pa rin [1:59:42] po namin [1:59:42] yun [1:59:42] kaya [1:59:43] lang [1:59:43] yung [1:59:43] magiging [1:59:44] direction [1:59:44] po [1:59:44] natin [1:59:45] sa halip [1:59:46] na [1:59:46] naging [1:59:46] maluwag [1:59:47] at mas [1:59:48] mabilis [1:59:48] yung [1:59:48] direction [1:59:49] ng [1:59:49] pagpunta [1:59:49] eh [1:59:49] meron [1:59:50] pa [1:59:50] po [1:59:50] nangyari [1:59:51] na [1:59:51] ganito [1:59:52] na [1:59:52] sa gabal [1:59:52] po [1:59:53] sa aming [1:59:53] hangari [1:59:53] na may [1:59:54] patawag [1:59:54] po [1:59:54] yung [1:59:54] mga [1:59:55] taong [1:59:55] dapat [1:59:55] naming [1:59:55] imbestigahan [1:59:56] at [1:59:57] maganda [1:59:57] po [1:59:58] kanina [1:59:58] binanggit [1:59:58] ni [1:59:59] P.J. [1:59:59] Padulion [2:00:00] I just like [2:00:02] to take [2:00:02] the opportunity [2:00:03] na ang [2:00:03] NBI [2:00:03] po [2:00:03] katulong [2:00:04] ang DOJ [2:00:05] at saka [2:00:06] po [2:00:06] ang [2:00:06] ombudsman [2:00:07] tuloy-tuloy [2:00:08] po [2:00:08] yung aming [2:00:08] pag-iimbestiga [2:00:09] at mga [2:00:09] kasong [2:00:10] aming [2:00:10] inihahain [2:00:11] po [2:00:11] dun sa [2:00:12] mga [2:00:12] dapat [2:00:12] managot [2:00:13] po [2:00:13] dito [2:00:13] sa ating [2:00:13] usapin [2:00:14] na [2:00:14] flood [2:00:15] control [2:00:15] issue [2:00:15] po [2:00:16] na [2:00:16] to [2:00:16] Ang [2:00:18] ano [2:00:18] lang [2:00:18] dahil [2:00:19] sabi nga [2:00:20] natin [2:00:20] pag [2:00:20] sinabi [2:00:21] mong [2:00:21] Marines [2:00:21] ibang [2:00:23] pananaw [2:00:26] alam [2:00:26] natin [2:00:27] na [2:00:27] yan [2:00:27] talagang [2:00:28] buhay [2:00:28] lahat [2:00:29] i-a-ano [2:00:30] niyan [2:00:30] i-a-alay [2:00:32] niya [2:00:32] para sa [2:00:32] bayan [2:00:33] ang [2:00:35] sa akin [2:00:35] lang po [2:00:35] Mr. [2:00:36] Chair [2:00:36] kung [2:00:38] siguro [2:00:39] sabanggit [2:00:40] ni [2:00:40] yung [2:00:40] attorney [2:00:41] Matibag [2:00:41] ito [2:00:41] po [2:00:42] kasi [2:00:42] sa [2:00:42] handling [2:00:42] mukhang [2:00:43] hindi [2:00:43] maganda [2:00:43] yung [2:00:44] mga [2:00:44] handler [2:00:44] baaring [2:00:45] doon [2:00:46] sa [2:00:46] mga [2:00:46] kaunti [2:00:47] kaya [2:00:47] nga [2:00:47] po [2:00:47] nag-a-appeal [2:00:48] na tayo [2:00:48] doon [2:00:49] sa [2:00:49] lima [2:00:50] na [2:00:51] nag-execute [2:00:51] ng [2:00:52] apidabit [2:00:52] maari [2:00:53] pong [2:00:53] may [2:00:54] magamit [2:00:54] pa [2:00:54] dun [2:00:54] kung [2:00:56] saka [2:00:56] sakali [2:00:56] kaya [2:00:57] lang [2:00:57] kung [2:00:57] nasingitan [2:00:59] kasi [2:00:59] ng [2:01:00] handler [2:01:00] na [2:01:01] ibang [2:01:01] informasyon [2:01:02] na [2:01:02] dinagdag [2:01:03] kung [2:01:03] saan [2:01:03] saan [2:01:04] pero [2:01:04] dapat [2:01:04] nag-concentrate [2:01:06] din sila [2:01:06] doon [2:01:06] sa personal [2:01:07] knowledge [2:01:08] maaring [2:01:08] mas [2:01:08] nagamit [2:01:09] pag [2:01:10] napagtahitahe [2:01:11] kung [2:01:11] sakali [2:01:11] attorney [2:01:12] Matibag [2:01:12] kung [2:01:12] nahana [2:01:13] ba itong [2:01:14] Paul Estrada [2:01:14] Mark Dixay [2:01:15] Albarigo [2:01:16] at [2:01:17] naitahe [2:01:18] doon [2:01:18] kailan [2:01:18] na [2:01:18] Bidad [2:01:19] at [2:01:19] Taberdo [2:01:19] maaring [2:01:21] may [2:01:21] magamit [2:01:22] kung [2:01:22] hindi [2:01:22] lang [2:01:22] siguro [2:01:23] na [2:01:23] sinasabi [2:01:24] nyo [2:01:24] na [2:01:25] coach [2:01:25] na [2:01:25] mali [2:01:26] o [2:01:26] na [2:01:26] dagdagan [2:01:27] maari [2:01:28] ho [2:01:28] bang [2:01:28] magamit [2:01:29] yun [2:01:29] kung [2:01:29] sakali [2:01:30] mahanap [2:01:30] nyo [2:01:30] itong [2:01:31] mga [2:01:32] sinasabing [2:01:33] bagman [2:01:33] at [2:01:33] yung [2:01:34] EA [2:01:34] ni [2:01:34] Saldico [2:01:35] doon [2:01:36] dahil [2:01:37] nabanggit [2:01:38] nyo [2:01:38] kanina [2:01:38] yung [2:01:39] sa mga [2:01:39] lima [2:01:40] na [2:01:40] nag-affidavit [2:01:41] na-assign [2:01:43] po talaga [2:01:43] sila [2:01:44] kay [2:01:44] Mr. [2:01:44] Saldico [2:01:45] Well [2:01:46] ito [2:01:47] naman [2:01:47] pong [2:01:47] aming [2:01:48] findings [2:01:48] na [2:01:48] to [2:01:48] including [2:01:49] po [2:01:49] yung [2:01:49] nakuha [2:01:50] namin [2:01:50] mga [2:01:50] testimony [2:01:51] doon [2:01:51] sa [2:01:51] mga [2:01:51] Marines [2:01:52] we [2:01:52] are [2:01:53] officially [2:01:53] sharing [2:01:53] it [2:01:54] to [2:01:54] the [2:01:54] DOJ [2:01:55] and [2:01:55] to [2:01:55] the [2:01:55] office [2:01:55] of [2:01:56] the [2:01:56] ombudsman [2:01:56] for [2:01:57] proper [2:01:57] disposition [2:01:58] kumahalala [2:01:58] nyo [2:01:58] po [2:01:59] yung [2:01:59] aming [2:01:59] pagkilos [2:02:00] based [2:02:00] on [2:02:01] the [2:02:01] letter [2:02:01] deputizing [2:02:02] us [2:02:03] by [2:02:03] the [2:02:03] ombudsman [2:02:04] to [2:02:11] properly [2:02:11] assessed [2:02:12] by the [2:02:12] office [2:02:12] of [2:02:12] the [2:02:13] ombudsman [2:02:13] in the [2:02:13] Department [2:02:14] of [2:02:14] Justice [2:02:14] and [2:02:15] we [2:02:16] take [2:02:16] your [2:02:17] advice [2:02:17] po [2:02:17] at [2:02:18] sabi ko [2:02:18] nga [2:02:18] ito [2:02:19] pong [2:02:19] kasong [2:02:19] ito [2:02:19] hindi [2:02:20] pa [2:02:20] sarado [2:02:20] tuloy [2:02:21] tuloy [2:02:21] yung [2:02:21] pag [2:02:21] investiga [2:02:22] ngayari [2:02:23] lamang [2:02:23] po [2:02:23] noong [2:02:24] lumabas [2:02:24] nga [2:02:24] itong [2:02:24] payag [2:02:25] ng [2:02:25] 18 [2:02:25] bodyguards [2:02:27] na [2:02:27] to [2:02:27] sa halip [2:02:28] na parang [2:02:29] luminaw [2:02:29] mas [2:02:30] lumabo [2:02:30] mas [2:02:31] humaba [2:02:32] po [2:02:32] yung [2:02:32] prosesong [2:02:33] ating [2:02:33] gagawin [2:02:34] para [2:02:34] habulin [2:02:35] natin [2:02:35] yung [2:02:35] mga [2:02:35] mananagot [2:02:36] po [2:02:36] dito [2:02:36] sa issue [2:02:37] ng [2:02:37] flood [2:02:37] control [2:02:37] po [2:02:37] na ito [2:02:38] kaya [2:02:38] nga po [2:02:39] nag [2:02:39] ano [2:02:40] papasalamat [2:02:42] tayo [2:02:42] sa ating [2:02:43] chairperson [2:02:43] na si [2:02:44] Senator [2:02:45] Erwin [2:02:45] Tulfo [2:02:46] na binagbibigyan [2:02:47] sana [2:02:47] ng pagkakataon [2:02:48] yung [2:02:50] labing [2:02:50] walo [2:02:52] na maihayag [2:02:53] yung kanilang [2:02:53] nalalaman [2:02:54] na sa halip [2:02:55] na nag [2:02:56] press [2:02:56] con [2:02:56] maaring [2:02:57] doon sa [2:02:58] mga [2:02:58] kasi [2:02:58] iba yung [2:02:59] pagpumirma [2:02:59] kahit [2:03:00] papalo [2:03:01] tinitindigan [2:03:02] mo yun [2:03:02] so [2:03:03] maaring [2:03:04] may magamit [2:03:04] doon [2:03:05] mapagtahitahin [2:03:06] natin [2:03:06] kumahanap [2:03:07] itong [2:03:07] mga [2:03:07] individual [2:03:07] na ito [2:03:08] kaysa [2:03:08] umiwas [2:03:09] po sila [2:03:10] kaya [2:03:10] hindi [2:03:10] natin [2:03:11] pinalalabas [2:03:12] ito [2:03:12] Mr. [2:03:12] Chair [2:03:12] salamat [2:03:13] at [2:03:13] inibita [2:03:14] mo sila [2:03:15] na [2:03:15] i-discredit [2:03:16] sila [2:03:16] kundi [2:03:16] kung may [2:03:16] magagamit [2:03:17] doon [2:03:17] bakit [2:03:18] hindi [2:03:18] I'm [2:03:18] sure [2:03:19] si [2:03:19] Ator [2:03:19] Matibag [2:03:20] would [2:03:20] agree [2:03:20] na [2:03:21] doon [2:03:21] sa [2:03:22] kahit [2:03:22] 10% [2:03:23] eh [2:03:24] kung [2:03:24] magagamit [2:03:25] magtatahitahin [2:03:26] natin [2:03:26] ito [2:03:26] eh [2:03:26] matutunto [2:03:27] natin [2:03:28] kung may [2:03:29] delivery nga [2:03:29] mayroong [2:03:30] delivery [2:03:30] kung mayroong [2:03:31] itong mga [2:03:32] bagman na ito [2:03:32] may kinalaman [2:03:33] talaga [2:03:33] para [2:03:35] talaga [2:03:35] malaman na [2:03:36] natin [2:03:36] itong mga [2:03:37] tunay [2:03:37] na may [2:03:37] salarin [2:03:38] dito [2:03:39] sa [2:03:39] buong [2:03:40] modus [2:03:42] na ito [2:03:43] Yan [2:03:43] ano lang po [2:03:45] salamat po [2:03:46] sa tanong [2:03:46] ni [2:03:47] Senator [2:03:47] J.B [2:03:47] Mr. [2:03:48] Chair [2:03:48] Let me [2:03:50] state [2:03:50] po [2:03:50] that [2:03:50] the [2:03:50] NBI [2:03:51] will [2:03:51] be [2:03:51] relentless [2:03:52] in [2:03:52] pursuing [2:03:52] those [2:03:53] who [2:03:53] violate [2:03:54] the [2:03:54] law [2:03:54] lalo [2:03:55] na po [2:03:55] dito [2:03:55] sa [2:03:56] issue [2:03:56] ng [2:03:56] corruption [2:03:56] that [2:03:57] is [2:03:57] the [2:03:57] commitment [2:03:58] po [2:03:58] ng [2:03:58] NBI [2:03:58] dito [2:03:59] sa [2:03:59] committee [2:03:59] na ito [2:04:00] Just [2:04:01] to [2:04:01] cite [2:04:01] an [2:04:01] example [2:04:02] just [2:04:02] recently [2:04:02] we [2:04:03] are [2:04:03] going [2:04:03] after [2:04:03] politically [2:04:04] exposed [2:04:04] persons [2:04:05] recently [2:04:06] we [2:04:06] arrested [2:04:07] a [2:04:07] director [2:04:07] from [2:04:08] SEC [2:04:08] na [2:04:09] nag-i-extort [2:04:10] po [2:04:11] at [2:04:11] meron [2:04:12] po [2:04:12] kaming [2:04:12] sinusundad [2:04:13] din [2:04:13] na lead [2:04:13] na [2:04:14] medyo [2:04:15] malaking [2:04:15] personality [2:04:16] po [2:04:16] na [2:04:17] hindi [2:04:17] lang [2:04:18] namin [2:04:18] ibibigay [2:04:18] po [2:04:19] yung [2:04:19] bond [2:04:19] detalye [2:04:20] pero [2:04:20] meron [2:04:21] pong [2:04:21] dalawa [2:04:22] na [2:04:22] malaking [2:04:22] personality [2:04:23] na [2:04:24] tingin [2:04:26] mga [2:04:27] dami [2:04:27] po [2:04:27] para [2:04:27] itago [2:04:28] itong [2:04:28] issue [2:04:28] po [2:04:28] do [2:04:28] ng [2:04:29] flood [2:04:29] control [2:04:29] po [2:04:30] Right [2:04:32] Before we [2:04:33] go to [2:04:33] Senator [2:04:34] Baum [2:04:34] just want [2:04:35] to remind [2:04:35] everybody [2:04:36] yung report [2:04:37] po [2:04:37] sa atin [2:04:38] ng [2:04:38] Blue Ribbon [2:04:41] Committee [2:04:41] Secretariat [2:04:42] ay nagaantay [2:04:44] pa rin po [2:04:44] sila ng [2:04:44] sagot [2:04:45] sa taas [2:04:45] ayaw po [2:04:46] silang [2:04:46] bigyan [2:04:47] ng [2:04:47] sagot [2:04:47] binibigyan [2:04:50] po [2:04:50] natin [2:04:50] ng [2:04:50] chance [2:04:51] we're [2:04:51] inviting [2:04:52] them [2:04:52] to [2:04:52] attend [2:04:53] this [2:04:54] hearing [2:04:54] ang [2:04:55] sagot [2:04:55] po [2:04:55] ng [2:04:55] attorney [2:04:56] po [2:04:56] nila [2:04:56] si [2:04:56] attorney [2:04:57] Baligod [2:04:57] inatatakot [2:04:58] na po [2:04:58] yata [2:04:58] pag [2:04:59] nang-attend [2:05:00] naman [2:05:00] sila [2:05:00] dito [2:05:00] baka [2:05:01] isight [2:05:01] lang [2:05:01] po [2:05:01] ng [2:05:02] contempt [2:05:02] ng [2:05:03] committee [2:05:04] hindi [2:05:04] naman [2:05:05] po [2:05:05] ganon [2:05:05] dahil [2:05:05] ito [2:05:06] po [2:05:06] invitation [2:05:06] lamang [2:05:07] po [2:05:07] naman [2:05:07] hindi [2:05:08] po [2:05:08] ba [2:05:08] and [2:05:09] this [2:05:09] is [2:05:09] just [2:05:09] a [2:05:09] meeting [2:05:10] but [2:05:10] anyway [2:05:10] go [2:05:11] ahead [2:05:11] Sen [2:05:14] Baum [2:05:15] Maraming [2:05:15] salamat [2:05:16] Mr. [2:05:16] Chairman [2:05:16] Isa [2:05:18] lang [2:05:18] po [2:05:18] itong [2:05:19] manifestation [2:05:20] marami [2:05:21] po [2:05:22] tayong [2:05:22] tanong [2:05:22] at [2:05:23] yung [2:05:23] mga [2:05:23] tanong [2:05:24] natin [2:05:24] ay [2:05:24] para [2:05:25] sa [2:05:27] bodyguards [2:05:28] na [2:05:28] hinihikayat [2:05:29] pa rin [2:05:29] po [2:05:30] nating [2:05:30] mag-attend [2:05:31] dito [2:05:31] po [2:05:32] sa [2:05:32] ating [2:05:32] meeting [2:05:33] eventually [2:05:34] magiging [2:05:34] hearing [2:05:34] po [2:05:35] ito [2:05:35] and [2:05:35] under [2:05:35] oath [2:05:36] mapag-uusapan [2:05:37] yung [2:05:37] kanilang [2:05:38] sinasabi [2:05:39] at [2:05:39] malalaman [2:05:40] natin [2:05:40] yung [2:05:40] katotohanan [2:05:41] pero [2:05:42] siguro [2:05:42] po [2:05:42] yung mongkahi [2:05:43] ko [2:05:43] na lang [2:05:43] to [2:05:44] the [2:05:44] agencies [2:05:44] in [2:05:45] front [2:05:45] of [2:05:45] us [2:05:45] ang [2:05:46] DOJ [2:05:47] ang [2:05:47] NBI [2:05:48] at [2:05:48] ang [2:05:48] ombudsman [2:05:49] ito [2:05:51] po [2:05:51] palagay [2:05:52] ko [2:05:52] ito [2:05:52] yung [2:05:52] pakiramdam [2:05:53] ng maraming [2:05:53] tao [2:05:54] kailangan [2:05:55] nating [2:05:55] i-resolva [2:05:56] itong issue [2:05:56] ng flood [2:05:57] control [2:05:57] mag-iisang [2:05:59] taon [2:05:59] na po [2:05:59] ang [2:06:00] SONA [2:06:01] yung [2:06:02] SONA [2:06:02] po [2:06:02] last year [2:06:03] dun po [2:06:04] lumabas [2:06:04] yung [2:06:05] mahaya [2:06:06] naman [2:06:06] kayo [2:06:07] at [2:06:07] mag-iisang [2:06:08] taon [2:06:08] na po [2:06:08] yan [2:06:09] next month [2:06:09] na po [2:06:10] yan [2:06:10] so [2:06:11] wag na [2:06:11] nating [2:06:12] paubutin [2:06:12] ng isang [2:06:13] taon [2:06:13] na yung [2:06:14] pinakamalalaking [2:06:15] isda [2:06:15] ay hindi [2:06:15] po [2:06:16] nahuhuli [2:06:17] at [2:06:18] sana [2:06:18] po [2:06:18] gawin [2:06:19] natin [2:06:19] yan [2:06:19] na [2:06:19] wala [2:06:20] tayong [2:06:20] kinikilingan [2:06:21] we follow [2:06:23] the law [2:06:23] we follow [2:06:24] where the [2:06:25] evidence [2:06:25] leads us [2:06:26] at [2:06:27] gawin [2:06:27] natin [2:06:28] yung [2:06:28] nararapat [2:06:28] kasi [2:06:29] alam [2:06:29] nyo po [2:06:30] may [2:06:30] nagsasabi [2:06:30] kasi [2:06:30] nakalimutan [2:06:31] na yung [2:06:32] issue [2:06:33] ng [2:06:33] flood [2:06:33] control [2:06:34] yun [2:06:34] po [2:06:34] yung [2:06:34] mga [2:06:34] binabato [2:06:35] po [2:06:35] rin [2:06:35] po [2:06:36] pero [2:06:36] hindi [2:06:37] po [2:06:37] nakakalimutan [2:06:38] yung [2:06:38] flood [2:06:38] control [2:06:38] dahil [2:06:40] meron [2:06:40] pong [2:06:40] magpapaalala [2:06:41] sa atin [2:06:42] ng [2:06:42] flood [2:06:42] control [2:06:43] yung [2:06:43] panahon [2:06:44] dahil [2:06:44] rainy [2:06:45] season [2:06:45] na rin [2:06:45] po [2:06:45] ngayon [2:06:46] kapag [2:06:47] bumabaha [2:06:47] na po [2:06:48] sa Metro [2:06:48] Manila [2:06:48] sa Cebu [2:06:49] sa Iloilo [2:06:50] at napakarami [2:06:51] pa mga lugar [2:06:52] pag bumabaha [2:06:53] na po [2:06:53] sa buong [2:06:54] kapuloan [2:06:54] natin [2:06:55] maalala [2:06:56] ng tao [2:06:56] itong [2:06:57] issue [2:06:57] na ito [2:06:58] at [2:06:58] iisipin [2:06:59] nila [2:06:59] meron [2:07:00] bang [2:07:00] nangyari [2:07:00] kaya [2:07:01] mahalaga [2:07:02] po [2:07:02] na [2:07:02] ituloy [2:07:03] po [2:07:03] yung [2:07:04] hearing [2:07:04] ituloy [2:07:05] po [2:07:06] yung [2:07:06] investigation [2:07:06] at [2:07:07] sana [2:07:07] po [2:07:07] ma-resolve [2:07:08] na [2:07:08] po [2:07:08] natin [2:07:08] ito [2:07:09] bago [2:07:09] pa [2:07:10] umabot [2:07:10] ng [2:07:10] one [2:07:11] year [2:07:11] anniversary [2:07:12] na kung [2:07:13] saan [2:07:16] habang [2:07:17] hindi pa po [2:07:17] ito [2:07:17] nare-resolve [2:07:18] tuloy-tuloy [2:07:19] po [2:07:19] ang mga [2:07:20] tanong [2:07:20] ng taong [2:07:21] bayan [2:07:21] kung [2:07:21] sineseryoso [2:07:22] ba [2:07:22] natin [2:07:23] ang issue [2:07:23] na ito [2:07:23] at [2:07:23] mahalaga [2:07:24] po [2:07:24] naseryosohin [2:07:25] po [2:07:25] natin [2:07:25] ito [2:07:26] isa [2:07:26] po [2:07:26] ito [2:07:27] sa [2:07:27] pinakamalaking [2:07:27] nakawan [2:07:28] sa buong [2:07:29] kasaysayan [2:07:30] ng ating [2:07:30] bansa [2:07:30] at [2:07:31] alam [2:07:31] ko [2:07:31] mahirap [2:07:32] ang [2:07:32] trabaho [2:07:32] ninyo [2:07:32] kada [2:07:33] hakbang [2:07:34] may [2:07:35] bumabatikos [2:07:36] alam [2:07:36] ko [2:07:46] mahalaga [2:07:47] siguro [2:07:47] po [2:07:47] itong [2:07:48] sense [2:07:48] of [2:07:48] urgency [2:07:48] natin [2:07:49] na magkaroon [2:07:49] ng [2:07:50] resolusyon [2:07:50] ang issue [2:07:51] na ito [2:07:52] mahuli [2:07:52] ang dapat [2:07:53] mahuli [2:07:53] yung talagang [2:07:54] nasa likod [2:07:55] nito [2:07:55] mastermind [2:07:56] kung saan [2:07:56] pa po [2:07:57] ito [2:07:57] papunta [2:07:57] kailangan [2:07:58] po [2:07:58] talaga [2:07:58] mahuli [2:07:59] na [2:07:59] para [2:08:00] makamove [2:08:00] on [2:08:00] na rin [2:08:01] po [2:08:01] tayo [2:08:01] dito [2:08:02] po [2:08:02] sa ating [2:08:02] mga [2:08:03] kailangan [2:08:03] gawin [2:08:04] dito [2:08:04] po [2:08:04] sa ating [2:08:05] bansa [2:08:05] napakarami [2:08:06] pong [2:08:06] issue [2:08:06] napakarami [2:08:07] pong [2:08:07] crisis [2:08:08] ngayon [2:08:08] lang [2:08:08] po [2:08:08] nagkaroon [2:08:09] ng [2:08:09] earthquake [2:08:09] po [2:08:10] sa [2:08:10] Mindanao [2:08:10] at [2:08:11] marami [2:08:11] po [2:08:11] sa amin [2:08:12] pagkatapos [2:08:14] po [2:08:14] ng [2:08:14] hearing [2:08:14] na ito [2:08:14] ay [2:08:15] a-action [2:08:15] na rin [2:08:15] po [2:08:15] namin [2:08:16] yung [2:08:16] iba't [2:08:16] ibang [2:08:16] pwedeng [2:08:17] gawin [2:08:17] po [2:08:17] doon [2:08:18] pero [2:08:18] habang [2:08:19] di pa [2:08:19] po [2:08:19] ito [2:08:20] nabibigyan [2:08:20] ng [2:08:21] tamang [2:08:21] resolusyon [2:08:22] patuloy [2:08:22] po [2:08:23] yung [2:08:23] sugot [2:08:23] na ito [2:08:24] sa ating [2:08:24] bansa [2:08:24] na [2:08:25] kailangan [2:08:25] pong [2:08:26] magkaroon [2:08:26] na [2:08:26] po [2:08:26] ng [2:08:27] lunas [2:08:27] yun [2:08:27] lang [2:08:27] po [2:08:27] Mr. [2:08:28] Chairman [2:08:28] Thank you [2:08:31] Senator [2:08:31] Bam [2:08:31] after [2:08:32] Senator [2:08:32] Soto [2:08:33] will be [2:08:33] Senator [2:08:33] Riz [2:08:34] Ontiveros [2:08:35] Go ahead [2:08:36] Senator [2:08:37] Soto [2:08:37] Thank you [2:08:39] sir [2:08:39] Thank you [2:08:40] Mr. [2:08:41] Chairman [2:08:41] I [2:08:43] actually [2:08:44] came [2:08:45] and [2:08:45] prepared [2:08:46] many [2:08:47] questions [2:08:47] but [2:08:48] after [2:08:49] hearing [2:08:50] the [2:08:51] NBI [2:08:51] report [2:08:51] and [2:08:53] then [2:08:53] looking [2:08:54] at [2:08:54] the [2:08:54] reading [2:08:56] through [2:08:56] the [2:08:57] joint [2:08:58] affidavit [2:08:59] and [2:08:59] then [2:08:59] the [2:09:00] copies [2:09:02] of the [2:09:03] affidavit [2:09:03] of the [2:09:04] five [2:09:04] who [2:09:05] individually [2:09:05] submitted [2:09:06] their [2:09:06] affidavit [2:09:08] dating [2:09:11] sa akin [2:09:12] is [2:09:12] wala na [2:09:14] ako [2:09:14] itatanong [2:09:15] kasi [2:09:15] apparently [2:09:17] yung [2:09:17] joint [2:09:17] affidavit [2:09:18] was it [2:09:20] the word [2:09:21] used [2:09:21] by [2:09:21] NBI [2:09:22] based [2:09:23] on [2:09:23] the [2:09:23] NBI [2:09:23] report [2:09:24] merong [2:09:26] gumawa [2:09:26] at [2:09:28] parang [2:09:28] for [2:09:29] media [2:09:29] purposes [2:09:30] tapos [2:09:31] nakabanggit [2:09:33] ako [2:09:33] nasingit [2:09:36] ako [2:09:36] somewhere [2:09:37] along [2:09:39] this [2:09:39] makapal [2:09:40] na [2:09:40] bidavit [2:09:41] na [2:09:41] to [2:09:41] and [2:09:42] then [2:09:42] nung [2:09:42] magbigay [2:09:43] ng [2:09:43] sinumpaang [2:09:45] salaysay [2:09:46] yung mga [2:09:47] nabanggit [2:09:47] doon [2:09:47] lalo [2:09:48] na yung [2:09:48] lima [2:09:48] hindi [2:09:49] ako [2:09:49] binanggit [2:09:50] wala [2:09:52] wala [2:09:52] akong [2:09:52] banggit [2:09:53] doon [2:09:53] walang [2:09:53] sinasabi [2:09:54] sa akin [2:09:54] doon [2:09:54] pero [2:09:55] pagdating [2:09:56] nung [2:09:56] pseudo [2:09:59] hearing [2:10:00] ay [2:10:02] pilit [2:10:03] itinatanong [2:10:04] nung dalawang [2:10:04] senador [2:10:04] tungkol [2:10:05] sa akin [2:10:05] saka [2:10:05] kay [2:10:06] senator [2:10:06] Lakson [2:10:06] so [2:10:08] I actually [2:10:09] sympathize [2:10:10] with the [2:10:10] 18 [2:10:10] ex-bodyguards [2:10:11] because [2:10:13] parang [2:10:14] nagagamit [2:10:15] talaga [2:10:15] sila [2:10:17] nakakaawa [2:10:20] dahil [2:10:21] later [2:10:22] on [2:10:22] baka [2:10:22] sila [2:10:22] sasalo [2:10:23] ng [2:10:23] lahat [2:10:23] ng [2:10:24] kabulastugan [2:10:25] nung [2:10:25] ginawa [2:10:25] nung [2:10:26] nagprepare [2:10:26] ng [2:10:26] joint [2:10:27] apidabit [2:10:27] nagsingit [2:10:28] si ganito [2:10:28] sinama [2:10:29] si ganito [2:10:30] pagkatapos [2:10:31] individually [2:10:32] pagka [2:10:33] nakausap [2:10:33] iba [2:10:34] ang [2:10:34] kwento [2:10:35] nila [2:10:35] nung [2:10:35] sarili [2:10:35] nilang [2:10:36] kaalaman [2:10:36] so [2:10:37] with that [2:10:39] Mr. [2:10:39] Chairman [2:10:40] I have [2:10:41] no [2:10:41] questions [2:10:42] to [2:10:43] any [2:10:43] of [2:10:43] them [2:10:44] obvious [2:10:44] na [2:10:45] alam [2:10:45] na [2:10:45] ng [2:10:45] taong [2:10:46] bayan [2:10:46] ano [2:10:46] nangyari [2:10:47] Thank [2:10:48] you [2:10:49] Senator [2:10:49] Senator [2:10:55] of [2:10:55] Vice [2:10:55] Chair [2:10:56] Kiko [2:10:56] in [2:10:57] relation [2:10:57] dun [2:10:57] sa [2:10:58] lindol [2:10:59] na [2:10:59] binagit [2:11:00] ni [2:11:00] Senator [2:11:00] Bam [2:11:01] tatlong [2:11:02] maikling [2:11:02] factual [2:11:03] questions [2:11:04] na [2:11:04] lamang [2:11:04] po [2:11:04] sa [2:11:06] NBI [2:11:07] po [2:11:07] hindi [2:11:08] po [2:11:09] ba [2:11:09] sa [2:11:10] investigasyon [2:11:11] nyo [2:11:11] parte [2:11:11] po [2:11:12] yung [2:11:12] pagkondukta [2:11:13] ng [2:11:13] lie [2:11:13] detector [2:11:13] test [2:11:14] and [2:11:15] if [2:11:15] so [2:11:15] bakit [2:11:16] po [2:11:16] hindi [2:11:17] nakapag [2:11:17] lie [2:11:18] detector [2:11:18] test [2:11:19] po [2:11:19] yung [2:11:19] labing [2:11:20] malong [2:11:20] ex [2:11:20] body [2:11:20] guards [2:11:21] meron [2:11:22] pong [2:11:22] mga [2:11:23] nung [2:11:23] tinanong [2:11:24] kung [2:11:24] willing [2:11:24] silang pumasok [2:11:25] sa lie [2:11:25] detector [2:11:26] test [2:11:26] meron [2:11:27] namang [2:11:27] mga [2:11:27] sumagot [2:11:28] na [2:11:28] directly [2:11:29] na [2:11:30] opo [2:11:30] meron [2:11:31] namang [2:11:31] mga [2:11:31] sumagot [2:11:31] din [2:11:32] na [2:11:32] ang [2:11:32] sinasabi [2:11:32] is [2:11:33] tatanungin [2:11:34] si [2:11:34] attorney [2:11:35] balikod [2:11:35] kaya [2:11:36] nangyari [2:11:36] po [2:11:36] diyan [2:11:37] hindi [2:11:37] muna [2:11:37] na [2:11:38] subject [2:11:38] sa [2:11:38] lie [2:11:38] detector [2:11:39] test [2:11:39] kasi [2:11:39] po [2:11:39] yung [2:11:40] lumalabas [2:11:41] on a [2:11:41] general [2:11:42] sense [2:11:42] ay [2:11:43] tanungin [2:11:43] po [2:11:44] yung [2:11:44] kanilang [2:11:44] abogado [2:11:45] pero [2:11:46] we [2:11:46] are [2:11:46] ready [2:11:46] to [2:11:47] conduct [2:11:47] yung [2:11:47] lie [2:11:48] detector [2:11:48] test [2:11:49] if [2:11:49] they [2:11:49] will [2:11:49] agree [2:11:50] salamat [2:11:52] po [2:11:52] mr. [2:11:52] chair [2:11:53] at [2:11:53] dun [2:11:53] po [2:11:53] sa [2:11:53] investigasyon [2:11:54] ng [2:11:54] bureau [2:11:55] lumabas [2:11:56] po [2:11:56] ba [2:11:56] kung [2:11:56] paano [2:11:57] nakilala [2:11:57] ng [2:11:58] labing [2:11:58] walong [2:11:58] ex [2:11:58] bodyguards [2:11:59] si [2:12:00] attorney [2:12:00] balikod [2:12:01] mr. [2:12:03] chair [2:12:03] ganito [2:12:04] po [2:12:04] in approach [2:12:05] si [2:12:05] nila [2:12:07] yung [2:12:07] isa [2:12:07] si [2:12:08] what's [2:12:08] the [2:12:09] name [2:12:09] buduan [2:12:11] in approach [2:12:12] ni [2:12:12] ni [2:12:13] attorney [2:12:14] balikod [2:12:14] tapos [2:12:16] si [2:12:16] buduan [2:12:16] si [2:12:16] na [2:12:17] nag [2:12:17] recruit [2:12:17] dun [2:12:18] sa [2:12:18] labing [2:12:19] walo [2:12:19] sa [2:12:19] labing [2:12:20] pito [2:12:20] at [2:12:21] nagsimula [2:12:21] sila [2:12:21] nag [2:12:22] meeting [2:12:22] and [2:12:22] eventually [2:12:23] hini-house [2:12:24] na po [2:12:24] sila [2:12:25] sa isang [2:12:25] tirahan [2:12:26] sa [2:12:26] white [2:12:26] plains [2:12:27] dun po [2:12:27] sa lugar [2:12:27] ni [2:12:28] attorney [2:12:28] balikod [2:12:28] mismo [2:12:29] mula [2:12:29] pa [2:12:30] po [2:12:30] noong [2:12:30] november [2:12:31] so [2:12:31] ang [2:12:32] naging [2:12:32] option [2:12:33] po [2:12:33] ang [2:12:33] take [2:12:33] away [2:12:34] po [2:12:34] naging [2:12:34] option [2:12:34] niyan [2:12:35] kaya [2:12:35] po [2:12:35] na [2:12:35] ano [2:12:35] si [2:12:36] buduan [2:12:36] eh [2:12:37] yung [2:12:37] kay [2:12:37] gutesa [2:12:38] po [2:12:38] dun [2:12:38] po [2:12:38] nagsimula [2:12:39] salamat [2:12:42] mr. [2:12:43] chair [2:12:43] at [2:12:43] huling [2:12:43] tanong [2:12:44] na [2:12:44] lamang [2:12:44] so [2:12:45] paano po [2:12:46] nabuo yung [2:12:47] grupong [2:12:47] ito [2:12:48] ganun po [2:12:49] na [2:12:49] lumapit [2:12:50] si [2:12:50] attorney [2:12:50] balikod [2:12:51] kay [2:12:51] mr. [2:12:52] buduan [2:12:53] at [2:12:53] si mr. [2:12:53] buduan [2:12:54] na [2:12:54] ang [2:12:54] nagrecruit [2:12:55] nung [2:12:55] labing [2:12:55] pito [2:12:55] pa [2:12:56] meron [2:12:56] pa [2:12:56] baka [2:12:56] nalaman [2:12:57] ang [2:12:57] nBI [2:12:58] dun [2:12:58] sa [2:12:58] pagbubuo [2:12:59] ng [2:12:59] grupo [2:12:59] Tama po [2:13:00] yun [2:13:00] si buduan [2:13:01] yung [2:13:01] parang [2:13:01] pinakang [2:13:02] kinuha [2:13:02] na [2:13:03] kubausap [2:13:04] para [2:13:04] dun sa [2:13:04] labing [2:13:04] walo [2:13:04] na [2:13:05] sumama [2:13:05] katunayan [2:13:05] hindi lang [2:13:06] po [2:13:06] ang aming [2:13:07] findings [2:13:07] hindi lang [2:13:08] po [2:13:08] labing [2:13:09] walo [2:13:09] yung [2:13:09] kanilang [2:13:09] kinakausap [2:13:10] 26 [2:13:11] po [2:13:11] dapat [2:13:12] yan [2:13:12] eh [2:13:13] at [2:13:13] 24 [2:13:14] may [2:13:14] 6 [2:13:14] pa [2:13:15] po [2:13:15] kumakita [2:13:16] nyo [2:13:16] po [2:13:16] may [2:13:17] mga [2:13:17] lumabas [2:13:17] dun sa [2:13:18] social [2:13:18] media [2:13:18] na [2:13:18] aming [2:13:19] nilabas [2:13:19] may [2:13:19] kinakausap [2:13:20] na [2:13:20] additional [2:13:21] na [2:13:22] 6 [2:13:22] para [2:13:23] magiging [2:13:23] 24 [2:13:24] tapos [2:13:25] ang [2:13:25] nangyari [2:13:26] po [2:13:26] yan [2:13:26] eh [2:13:26] na [2:13:27] record [2:13:28] pa [2:13:28] nga [2:13:28] na [2:13:28] para [2:13:28] nagtatawaran [2:13:29] pa [2:13:29] ng [2:13:29] presyo [2:13:30] kung [2:13:30] ano [2:13:30] yung [2:13:30] ibibigay [2:13:31] meron [2:13:32] po [2:13:32] kaming [2:13:32] recording [2:13:33] noon [2:13:33] nakuha [2:13:33] rin [2:13:33] po [2:13:33] namin [2:13:34] sa [2:13:34] aming [2:13:34] monitoring [2:13:35] ng [2:13:35] aming [2:13:35] CCD [2:13:36] yung [2:13:36] aming [2:13:37] cyber [2:13:37] crime [2:13:37] division [2:13:38] nando [2:13:38] doon [2:13:38] po [2:13:39] meron [2:13:40] din [2:13:40] po [2:13:40] mga [2:13:40] report [2:13:41] na [2:13:41] pumasok [2:13:41] sa [2:13:41] amin [2:13:42] na [2:13:42] malalayong [2:13:43] lugar [2:13:43] mga [2:13:44] taga [2:13:44] Isabela [2:13:44] taga [2:13:45] Tugigaraw [2:13:45] pinupuntahan [2:13:46] pa [2:13:46] ni [2:13:46] Atty. [2:13:47] Balikod [2:13:48] para [2:13:48] kumbinsihin [2:13:49] unofficially [2:13:52] we cannot [2:13:53] make use [2:13:54] of the [2:13:54] recording [2:13:54] that was [2:13:55] given to [2:13:55] us [2:13:56] dahil [2:13:56] merong [2:13:57] konting [2:13:57] violation [2:13:58] yan [2:13:58] pero [2:13:59] maririnig [2:14:00] mismo [2:14:00] doon [2:14:00] yung [2:14:00] boses [2:14:01] ni [2:14:01] Atty. [2:14:02] Balikod [2:14:02] na [2:14:02] kinukumbinsihin [2:14:03] na [2:14:03] o ikaw [2:14:04] kumuha [2:14:04] ng picture [2:14:05] na to [2:14:05] asan [2:14:05] na yung [2:14:06] USB [2:14:06] sinasabi [2:14:07] nung [2:14:07] tao [2:14:08] ayoko [2:14:08] nang [2:14:08] makialam [2:14:09] nananahimik [2:14:10] na [2:14:10] yung [2:14:10] pamilya [2:14:10] ko [2:14:10] at [2:14:11] pag mapapansin [2:14:12] po ninyo [2:14:13] itong [2:14:13] labing walo [2:14:14] these are [2:14:15] the individuals [2:14:16] na wala pong [2:14:17] trabaho [2:14:17] kasi [2:14:18] doon sa [2:14:18] 100 [2:14:19] pag [2:14:19] inyo pong [2:14:20] i-check [2:14:20] i-validate [2:14:21] some of [2:14:22] them [2:14:22] probably [2:14:23] more than [2:14:24] 10 of [2:14:24] them [2:14:24] are still [2:14:25] in [2:14:25] active [2:14:26] service [2:14:26] so [2:14:28] kaya ko [2:14:29] po [2:14:29] this is [2:14:29] material [2:14:30] kaya ko [2:14:30] po [2:14:30] sinasabi [2:14:31] to [2:14:31] yung [2:14:31] mga [2:14:31] nasa [2:14:32] active [2:14:32] service [2:14:33] may [2:14:33] trabaho [2:14:33] hindi mo [2:14:33] na [2:14:34] pwedeng [2:14:34] kumbinsihin [2:14:35] dahil [2:14:36] meron [2:14:36] silang [2:14:36] career [2:14:37] more [2:14:37] than [2:14:37] salary [2:14:39] na [2:14:39] makukuha [2:14:39] yung career [2:14:40] nila [2:14:40] tinitingnan [2:14:41] nila [2:14:41] pero [2:14:42] itong [2:14:42] individual [2:14:43] na [2:14:43] labing walo [2:14:44] na to [2:14:45] pag [2:14:45] pre-profile [2:14:46] nga po [2:14:46] natin [2:14:46] tingnan mo [2:14:47] yung [2:14:47] pagka-profile [2:14:48] natin [2:14:48] dyan [2:14:48] halos [2:14:48] pare-pareas [2:14:49] yung [2:14:49] kanilang [2:14:50] mga [2:14:50] katatayuan [2:14:51] po [2:14:51] so [2:14:52] yun na [2:14:54] po [2:14:54] kasama [2:14:54] na po [2:14:55] yung [2:14:55] seri [2:14:55] bibigay [2:14:55] naming [2:14:56] findings [2:14:56] na [2:14:57] tingin [2:14:58] ko [2:14:58] dapat [2:14:58] po [2:14:58] matingnan [2:14:59] kung [2:14:59] siguro [2:15:00] kumamara [2:15:03] patin [2:15:03] po [2:15:03] meron [2:15:04] namang [2:15:05] lista [2:15:05] dun [2:15:05] sa [2:15:06] mga [2:15:06] empleyado [2:15:07] na [2:15:07] yun [2:15:07] na [2:15:07] ni [2:15:08] dating [2:15:09] congressman [2:15:09] Saldico [2:15:10] na nasa [2:15:10] active [2:15:11] service [2:15:11] may mga [2:15:12] ilan [2:15:12] po [2:15:12] nakausap [2:15:13] dyan [2:15:13] na [2:15:13] natatakot [2:15:14] na lang [2:15:14] lumabas [2:15:15] they're [2:15:16] very [2:15:16] protective [2:15:17] of their [2:15:17] career [2:15:17] baka [2:15:18] sakali [2:15:18] po [2:15:19] sa pamamagitan [2:15:20] po [2:15:20] ninyo [2:15:20] through [2:15:21] an [2:15:21] executive [2:15:21] session [2:15:22] makausap [2:15:23] po [2:15:23] itong [2:15:23] mga [2:15:23] tao [2:15:24] na [2:15:24] ito [2:15:24] para [2:15:24] po [2:15:25] matapos [2:15:25] at [2:15:26] makita [2:15:26] natin [2:15:26] po [2:15:26] ang [2:15:27] katotohanan [2:15:27] Actually [2:15:29] yun [2:15:30] lang [2:15:30] naman [2:15:31] po [2:15:31] yung [2:15:31] huli [2:15:32] kong [2:15:32] tanong [2:15:32] Mr. [2:15:33] Chair [2:15:33] maraming [2:15:34] salamat [2:15:34] po [2:15:34] Mr. [2:15:35] Chair [2:15:35] at [2:15:36] Director [2:15:36] and [2:15:37] kapag [2:15:37] fully [2:15:38] constituted [2:15:39] na po [2:15:39] yung [2:15:39] ating [2:15:39] komite [2:15:40] at [2:15:40] magpatuloy [2:15:41] na [2:15:41] yung [2:15:41] hearings [2:15:41] I [2:15:42] would [2:15:42] be [2:15:43] very [2:15:43] interested [2:15:43] kung [2:15:44] mabigyan [2:15:45] daan [2:15:45] po [2:15:45] ng [2:15:45] chair [2:15:46] yung [2:15:46] executive [2:15:47] session [2:15:47] na [2:15:48] minungkahi [2:15:48] ni [2:15:48] Director [2:15:49] Matibag [2:15:49] para [2:15:50] nga [2:15:50] po [2:15:50] makausap [2:15:51] yung [2:15:51] ibang [2:15:51] mga [2:15:52] taong [2:15:52] iyon [2:15:52] na [2:15:53] pwedeng [2:15:54] magbigay [2:15:54] ng [2:15:55] buong [2:15:55] katotohanan [2:15:55] and [2:15:56] napaka [2:15:57] interesante [2:16:02] ma-find [2:16:04] within [2:16:05] themselves [2:16:05] nung [2:16:06] labing [2:16:06] walong [2:16:06] ex-body [2:16:07] guards [2:16:08] na [2:16:09] tawag [2:16:12] nito [2:16:12] bigyan [2:16:12] ng [2:16:12] respeto [2:16:13] ang [2:16:13] ipadadalang [2:16:14] invitasyon [2:16:15] ng [2:16:15] komite [2:16:16] sa [2:16:16] kanila [2:16:16] sa [2:16:17] susunod [2:16:17] po [2:16:17] na [2:16:18] pagdinig [2:16:18] ng [2:16:18] fully [2:16:19] constituted [2:16:19] committee [2:16:20] Salamat [2:16:20] po [2:16:20] Mr. [2:16:21] Chair [2:16:21] Thank you [2:16:21] Senator [2:16:21] Ries [2:16:22] a noted [2:16:22] Go ahead [2:16:23] Senator [2:16:24] Rafi [2:16:24] Okay [2:16:25] Kasi [2:16:26] kanina [2:16:26] nababanggit [2:16:27] ni [2:16:27] Attorney [2:16:28] Matibag [2:16:28] paulit [2:16:28] ulit [2:16:29] si [2:16:29] Budoyan [2:16:30] Baligod [2:16:34] So [2:16:35] sila yung [2:16:36] nag-recruit [2:16:37] dito sa [2:16:38] labing [2:16:38] walo [2:16:39] and [2:16:40] meron [2:16:40] pang [2:16:40] sinasabing [2:16:41] nagbayaran [2:16:42] nagtawaran [2:16:43] etc [2:16:43] wala bang [2:16:45] pwedeng [2:16:45] maikaso [2:16:46] dito sa [2:16:46] dalawang [2:16:47] personalidad [2:16:47] na nabanggit [2:16:48] na sila [2:16:49] yung [2:16:49] nag-recruit [2:16:49] sa mga [2:16:50] taong [2:16:50] para [2:16:50] magsinungaling [2:16:51] at [2:16:51] babayaran [2:16:52] itong [2:16:53] mga [2:16:53] taong [2:16:53] to [2:16:53] kapag [2:16:54] itong [2:16:54] mga [2:16:54] tao [2:16:54] itong [2:16:55] labing [2:16:55] walong [2:16:55] kadag [2:16:56] or [2:16:56] eventually [2:16:57] may [2:16:57] mga [2:16:57] magkakaso [2:16:58] sa [2:16:58] kanila [2:16:58] kung [2:16:58] sino [2:16:59] kawawa [2:17:06] naman [2:17:06] yung [2:17:06] labing [2:17:07] walong [2:17:07] kargador [2:17:08] so [2:17:08] itong [2:17:09] dalawa [2:17:09] na [2:17:09] nag-recruit [2:17:10] wala bang [2:17:10] kaso [2:17:11] para sa [2:17:11] kanila [2:17:12] Mr. [2:17:14] Chair [2:17:14] katunayan [2:17:14] may mga [2:17:15] kaso [2:17:15] na [2:17:15] na-file [2:17:16] sa [2:17:16] kanila [2:17:17] yung [2:17:17] mga [2:17:17] binanggit [2:17:18] po [2:17:18] na [2:17:18] pangalan [2:17:19] I think [2:17:19] may mga [2:17:20] nagkaso [2:17:21] na [2:17:21] po [2:17:21] at [2:17:21] sa [2:17:21] amin [2:17:22] din [2:17:22] po [2:17:22] meron [2:17:22] pong [2:17:22] nakapending [2:17:23] kaming [2:17:23] mga [2:17:23] investigation [2:17:24] na [2:17:25] ang [2:17:25] kaso [2:17:25] naman [2:17:26] ang [2:17:26] ikinaso [2:17:26] naman [2:17:27] po [2:17:27] yung [2:17:27] sa [2:17:27] cyber [2:17:27] libel [2:17:28] naman [2:17:28] dahil [2:17:28] inilabas [2:17:29] nga [2:17:29] po [2:17:30] sa [2:17:30] Socmente [2:17:31] at [2:17:31] kasama [2:17:31] po [2:17:31] sa [2:17:31] kinakasuhan [2:17:32] si [2:17:32] Atty. [2:17:33] Malikud [2:17:34] pero [2:17:34] ang [2:17:34] NBI [2:17:35] po [2:17:35] itself [2:17:35] hindi [2:17:36] pa [2:17:36] po [2:17:36] namin [2:17:37] maitulak [2:17:37] na [2:17:37] kami [2:17:37] ang [2:17:38] magkaso [2:17:38] hanggat [2:17:38] na [2:17:39] amin [2:17:39] pong [2:17:40] mabuo [2:17:41] finally [2:17:41] yung [2:17:42] kabuan [2:17:42] ng [2:17:43] story [2:17:43] nito [2:17:43] nakwento [2:17:44] kaya [2:17:44] nga [2:17:44] sabi [2:17:44] ko [2:17:44] po [2:17:45] this [2:17:45] is [2:17:45] an [2:17:45] open [2:17:45] and [2:17:46] shot [2:17:46] case [2:17:46] kasi [2:17:46] po [2:17:47] may [2:17:47] mga [2:17:47] nasasara [2:17:57] bubuwin po [2:17:58] namin yun [2:17:58] at pag [2:17:58] natapos [2:17:59] po [2:17:59] we will [2:17:59] come out [2:18:00] with [2:18:00] the [2:18:00] recommendation [2:18:01] and [2:18:01] if [2:18:01] charges [2:18:02] can be [2:18:03] filed [2:18:03] following [2:18:04] the [2:18:04] MC20 [2:18:04] na [2:18:05] po [2:18:05] ng [2:18:05] Department [2:18:06] of [2:18:06] Justice [2:18:07] magkakaso [2:18:07] naman [2:18:08] po [2:18:08] tayo [2:18:08] dyan [2:18:08] Thank you [2:18:09] Mr. [2:18:09] Chair [2:18:09] Thank you [2:18:11] For the [2:18:12] record [2:18:12] si [2:18:13] Atty. [2:18:14] Balikud [2:18:14] po [2:18:15] at yung [2:18:15] labing [2:18:15] walong [2:18:16] bodyguards [2:18:17] nasa [2:18:17] taas [2:18:17] pa rin [2:18:18] po [2:18:18] at [2:18:18] patuloy [2:18:19] ang [2:18:19] pagbibigay [2:18:19] ng [2:18:20] press [2:18:20] conference [2:18:21] Medyo [2:18:22] maging [2:18:22] kanilang [2:18:23] mga [2:18:27] na [2:18:27] dahil [2:18:28] kanina [2:18:28] sabi [2:18:29] nila [2:18:29] willing [2:18:29] po [2:18:29] silang [2:18:30] bumaba [2:18:30] and [2:18:31] then [2:18:31] kumambiyo [2:18:32] naman [2:18:32] po [2:18:32] si [2:18:32] Atty. [2:18:33] Balikud [2:18:33] sabi [2:18:34] naman [2:18:34] po [2:18:34] ayon [2:18:35] nang [2:18:35] bumaba [2:18:35] dahil [2:18:35] baka [2:18:36] masight [2:18:36] daw [2:18:36] sila [2:18:37] ng [2:18:37] contempt [2:18:37] ng [2:18:38] committee [2:18:38] na [2:18:38] ito [2:18:39] dahil [2:18:39] sa [2:18:39] umano [2:18:40] y [2:18:40] pag [2:18:40] titig [2:18:41] isipin [2:18:42] natin [2:18:42] nagsisinungaling [2:18:43] sila [2:18:44] pero [2:18:44] nevertheless [2:18:45] po [2:18:45] ayaw [2:18:45] po [2:18:46] nilang [2:18:46] mag-aten [2:18:46] sa [2:18:47] hearing [2:18:47] sa [2:18:48] meeting [2:18:48] po [2:18:48] na [2:18:48] ito [2:18:49] patlong [2:18:49] beses [2:18:50] na [2:18:50] po [2:18:50] simula [2:18:50] kanina [2:18:51] po [2:18:51] na [2:18:51] mag-umpisa [2:18:52] tayo [2:18:52] hanggang [2:18:54] ngayon [2:18:54] ayaw [2:18:55] po [2:18:55] nilang [2:18:55] bumaba [2:18:56] despite [2:18:57] the [2:18:57] fact [2:18:57] na [2:18:58] mainutusan [2:18:59] na [2:18:59] po [2:18:59] tayo [2:18:59] sa [2:18:59] blue [2:18:59] ribbon [2:19:00] secretariat [2:19:01] wala [2:19:02] po [2:19:02] silang [2:19:02] sagot [2:19:03] patpatuloy [2:19:04] po [2:19:04] kanila [2:19:04] pag [2:19:04] bibigay [2:19:05] ng [2:19:05] press [2:19:05] con [2:19:06] nililin [2:19:07] lang [2:19:07] din [2:19:08] po [2:19:08] nilang [2:19:08] sambayanan [2:19:09] oo [2:19:09] pero [2:19:10] mamaya [2:19:11] maya [2:19:11] sinasabi [2:19:12] eh [2:19:12] hindi [2:19:12] na [2:19:13] lamang [2:19:13] po [2:19:13] so [2:19:14] sa [2:19:15] ngayon [2:19:15] po [2:19:15] ayaw [2:19:16] po [2:19:16] talaga [2:19:16] nilang [2:19:16] umaten [2:19:17] mga [2:19:18] kasama [2:19:19] na [2:19:20] dito [2:19:20] po [2:19:20] sa [2:19:20] ating [2:19:21] ipinatawag [2:19:22] po [2:19:22] na [2:19:22] meeting [2:19:22] well [2:19:23] it [2:19:24] makes [2:19:24] us [2:19:24] question [2:19:25] ikang [2:19:25] their [2:19:26] credibility [2:19:27] at [2:19:27] kanila [2:19:28] pong [2:19:28] motibo [2:19:28] pumunta [2:19:29] po [2:19:29] sila [2:19:30] dito [2:19:30] pero [2:19:30] ay [2:19:31] naman [2:19:31] po [2:19:31] nilang [2:19:31] bumaba [2:19:32] dito [2:19:32] sa [2:19:33] meeting [2:19:34] po [2:19:35] na [2:19:35] ito [2:19:36] eh [2:19:36] parang [2:19:36] ito [2:19:37] po [2:19:37] isang [2:19:37] kanila [2:19:38] po [2:19:38] ang [2:19:38] press [2:19:39] release [2:19:39] isa [2:19:40] pong [2:19:40] optics [2:19:41] para [2:19:41] sabihin [2:19:42] po [2:19:42] na [2:19:42] dumalo [2:19:43] sila [2:19:45] best [2:19:46] po [2:19:46] natin [2:19:46] inimbitahan [2:19:47] ayaw [2:19:47] po [2:19:48] nilang [2:19:49] bumaba [2:19:50] po [2:19:50] rito [2:19:50] sa [2:19:50] ating [2:19:51] tanggapan [2:19:51] and yet [2:19:52] ang gusto [2:19:52] lamang [2:19:53] po [2:19:53] nila [2:19:53] magpress [2:19:54] con [2:19:54] na [2:19:54] magpress [2:19:54] con [2:19:55] po [2:19:55] sa [2:19:55] taas [2:19:56] to [2:19:56] our [2:19:57] resource [2:19:57] persons [2:19:58] please [2:19:58] submit [2:19:58] the [2:19:59] relevant [2:19:59] documents [2:19:59] and [2:20:00] status [2:20:00] updates [2:20:01] of [2:20:01] the [2:20:01] to [2:20:01] this [2:20:02] committee [2:20:02] at [2:20:03] the [2:20:03] appropriate [2:20:03] time [2:20:04] we [2:20:04] shall [2:20:04] determine [2:20:05] further [2:20:05] measures [2:20:06] to [2:20:06] ensure [2:20:06] accountability [2:20:07] we [2:20:09] sympathize [2:20:10] with [2:20:10] the [2:20:11] victims [2:20:11] of [2:20:11] the [2:20:11] earthquake [2:20:12] in [2:20:12] Mindanao [2:20:12] kaya [2:20:13] po [2:20:13] dalawang [2:20:13] bagay [2:20:14] tatapusin [2:20:15] na po [2:20:15] muna [2:20:15] natin [2:20:15] we [2:20:16] suspend [2:20:16] this [2:20:16] meeting [2:20:17] bilang [2:20:19] pagalang [2:20:19] po [2:20:20] sa mga [2:20:20] biktima [2:20:22] po [2:20:22] ng [2:20:22] maltinding [2:20:23] Lindol [2:20:24] ngayon [2:20:25] dyan po [2:20:25] sa [2:20:26] Mindanao [2:20:27] at [2:20:27] nakausap [2:20:29] ko po [2:20:29] ang ating [2:20:30] acting [2:20:31] senate [2:20:31] president [2:20:31] na [2:20:32] anytime [2:20:33] po [2:20:34] ay pupunta [2:20:35] po [2:20:35] ang mga [2:20:36] miyembro [2:20:36] ng [2:20:36] majority [2:20:37] block [2:20:37] para [2:20:38] marinig [2:20:38] at [2:20:39] makita [2:20:39] po [2:20:40] ang [2:20:40] pangangailangan [2:20:41] ng mga [2:20:41] biktima [2:20:42] po [2:20:42] ng [2:20:43] ikang [2:20:44] Lindol [2:20:45] at [2:20:45] the [2:20:45] same [2:20:45] time [2:20:46] since [2:20:46] ayan [2:20:46] naman [2:20:47] pumaba [2:20:47] ng [2:20:48] labing [2:20:48] walong [2:20:49] bodyguards [2:20:50] kasama [2:20:50] si [2:20:50] attorney [2:20:50] baligod [2:20:51] so [2:20:52] we [2:20:52] hereby [2:20:53] just [2:20:54] very [2:20:54] quickly [2:20:54] mr. [2:20:54] president [2:20:55] at [2:20:55] some [2:20:55] iimbitayin [2:20:56] po [2:20:56] natin [2:20:56] ulit [2:20:57] itong [2:20:57] labing [2:20:58] walon [2:20:58] na [2:20:58] ito [2:20:59] sa [2:20:59] susunod [2:21:00] na [2:21:00] pagpupulong [2:21:01] at [2:21:02] sa [2:21:04] darating [2:21:04] namang [2:21:04] araw [2:21:05] at [2:21:06] the [2:21:06] proper [2:21:06] time [2:21:06] kung [2:21:07] if [2:21:07] they [2:21:07] continue [2:21:08] to [2:21:08] refuse [2:21:08] we [2:21:09] can [2:21:09] at [2:21:10] the [2:21:10] right [2:21:10] time [2:21:12] them [2:21:12] and [2:21:13] if [2:21:13] they [2:21:13] refuse [2:21:14] we [2:21:14] can [2:21:14] have [2:21:15] them [2:21:16] cited [2:21:16] in [2:21:17] contempt [2:21:17] and [2:21:18] may [2:21:18] be [2:21:18] arrested [2:21:18] when [2:21:19] the [2:21:20] blue [2:21:20] ribbon [2:21:20] committee [2:21:21] has [2:21:21] been [2:21:22] fully [2:21:22] constituted [2:21:22] for the [2:21:23] record [2:21:23] mr. [2:21:23] president [2:21:23] definitely [2:21:24] vice [2:21:25] chair [2:21:25] kasi [2:21:25] nga [2:21:25] nagpupunta [2:21:27] sila [2:21:27] para [2:21:28] nga [2:21:29] insult [2:21:29] pupunta [2:21:30] sa [2:21:30] tanggapan [2:21:31] sa [2:21:31] kasama [2:21:31] natin [2:21:32] doon [2:21:32] pong [2:21:32] press [2:21:33] conference [2:21:33] ayaw [2:21:34] pong [2:21:34] maten [2:21:34] a [2:21:35] meeting [2:21:35] pinapakita [2:21:37] pong [2:21:37] optics [2:21:37] nila [2:21:37] pumunta [2:21:38] po [2:21:38] sila [2:21:38] dito [2:21:39] matapang [2:21:39] silang [2:21:39] pumunta [2:21:40] pero [2:21:40] ayaw [2:21:40] nilang [2:21:41] bumaba [2:21:41] dito [2:21:41] sa [2:21:42] meeting [2:21:42] na [2:21:42] ito [2:21:42] so [2:21:43] is [2:21:44] gayong [2:21:44] paman [2:21:45] before [2:21:47] we [2:21:47] suspend [2:21:47] this [2:21:48] meeting [2:21:48] i would [2:21:49] like [2:21:49] to [2:21:49] personally [2:21:50] thank [2:21:50] and [2:21:50] boom [2:21:51] majority [2:21:52] block [2:21:53] sa [2:21:53] staff [2:21:54] po [2:21:55] ng [2:21:55] blue [2:21:55] ribbon [2:21:55] committee [2:21:56] sa [2:21:56] osaa [2:21:57] sa [2:21:57] prib [2:21:58] at [2:21:58] sa [2:21:58] lahat [2:21:59] po [2:21:59] ng [2:21:59] senate [2:21:59] staff [2:22:00] na [2:22:00] faithfully [2:22:01] fulfilling [2:22:02] their [2:22:02] duties [2:22:03] and [2:22:03] for [2:22:03] showing [2:22:04] up [2:22:04] today [2:22:05] despite [2:22:05] the [2:22:05] fact [2:22:05] na [2:22:06] mayroong [2:22:06] threats [2:22:07] sa [2:22:07] kanila [2:22:07] na [2:22:07] ididimanda [2:22:08] sisibakin [2:22:09] po [2:22:09] ng [2:22:10] minority [2:22:10] block [2:22:11] sabi [2:22:12] ko [2:22:12] naman [2:22:13] po [2:22:13] base [2:22:13] po [2:22:13] sa [2:22:14] ating [2:22:14] acting [2:22:15] senate [2:22:15] presidencia [2:22:16] po [2:22:16] ang bahala [2:22:17] you are [2:22:17] protected [2:22:18] dahil [2:22:18] may bago [2:22:19] na po [2:22:19] meron po [2:22:20] tayong [2:22:21] acting [2:22:21] senate [2:22:22] president [2:22:22] so [2:22:22] with [2:22:23] this [2:22:23] this [2:22:24] meeting [2:22:24] is [2:22:24] now [2:22:24] suspended [2:22:25] until [2:22:25] further [2:22:26] notice