About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of Tucker Gets In TESTY Exchange With BBC Anchor from The Young Turks, published April 15, 2026. The transcript contains 2,955 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.
"So are you saying he's a slave to Benjamin Netanyahu? So I don't think it's as simple as he's under the control of Netanyahu. But you could summarize it that way and you wouldn't be totally inaccurate. On Thursday, he called you low IQ, a nut job, a fool. Also, he suggested you should see a good..."
[0:00] So are you saying he's a slave to Benjamin Netanyahu?
[0:04] So I don't think it's as simple as he's under the control of Netanyahu. But you could summarize
[0:12] it that way and you wouldn't be totally inaccurate. On Thursday, he called you low IQ,
[0:17] a nut job, a fool. Also, he suggested you should see a good psychiatrist.
[0:24] Are you going to continue to love him? As I've said, I feel sorry for him
[0:30] as I do for all slaves. Tucker Carlson not only called President
[0:35] Donald Trump a slave to Israel, which he obviously is. He also got into a rather testy exchange with
[0:44] BBC anchor Victoria Derbyshire. And we're going to get to the details on that in just a moment.
[0:49] But before we do, Cenk, do you think Trump is a slave to Israel?
[0:54] Well, obviously. But to be fair, most of our politicians are.
[0:59] True. So I agree with
[1:01] everything Tucker said in that interview that was about 20 minutes long.
[1:05] And what's really interesting is as you watch it, guys, I want you to notice
[1:10] how the anchor is constantly trying to get Tucker, right? So she came in with a mentality,
[1:16] I'm going to prove he's an anti-Semite and make sure he never criticizes Israel again.
[1:22] Like it's so obvious and Tucker just dismantles her.
[1:26] Now before we get to this anchor making passive aggressive anti-Semite claims against Tucker
[1:32] Carlson, we need to talk a little more about this. Have you completely fallen out with him over this
[1:38] war then? I haven't fallen out with him. I mean, I've known him for decades. I've always liked him.
[1:44] And I think anyone who spent time with him likes him. I feel sorry for him as I do for all slaves.
[1:49] He is not free in this moment at all to do what he thinks is best for himself or his country.
[1:56] What do you mean? No, he's well, he's not free. And we learned that yesterday
[1:59] when Donald Trump announced a ceasefire, clearly with relief and made its terms or most of its terms
[2:07] public. And then that ceasefire ended within two hours because Israel intentionally violated the terms
[2:13] by attacking not just southern Lebanon, but the city of Beirut. So are you saying he's a slave to
[2:21] Benjamin Netanyahu? So I don't think it's as simple as he's under the control of Netanyahu.
[2:28] But you could summarize it that way and you wouldn't be totally inaccurate.
[2:32] I mean, he's clearly under the control of Benjamin Netanyahu. Benjamin Netanyahu and Mossad
[2:38] were in the situation room in the days leading up to the US going to war with Iran on behalf of Israel.
[2:48] Okay, Netanyahu is the one who just today declared that he is in talks with Vice President JD Vance
[2:56] and members of our executive branch literally every single day to get updates on what we're
[3:02] up to in the Middle East, how we're prosecuting this war against the Iranians.
[3:05] Obviously, obviously, the federal government is under the control of the Israeli government.
[3:13] And it's about time that Americans wake up to that reality and actually do something about it.
[3:18] Because you don't live in a sovereign country when your president is controlled by a foreign leader.
[3:22] And that's what's happening right now. That's my take on it. Cenk, your thoughts?
[3:26] I think you're muted, Cenk. Unmuted there, yeah. Yeah, so look, this is one of those
[3:38] trope tripwires. You know how the Iranians put the mines in the Strait of Hormuz so you can't get past it?
[3:47] The Israelis put trope mines all around the politics of Israel so you can't get past it.
[3:54] Every criticism triggers a trope. So for example, you say Big Pharma controls Congress, that's obvious.
[4:02] They've given billions of dollars to the Congress and we can't negotiate drug prices, fine.
[4:06] Big oil, big defense, fine, everybody's fine. The Israeli lobby is given to 94% of Congress.
[4:12] They go to Trump. You can't say you're saying the Jews control. No, no, no, I didn't say that.
[4:18] I said this lobby, like all other lobbies that are as large as them, controls Congress and
[4:23] the president, which they're given over $300 million to. Trope anti-Semite, nonsense.
[4:30] Yeah, I mean, okay, so we're going to get to the smears that this anchor tries to engage in
[4:38] passive aggressively because, well, I mean, look, if you want to call someone an anti-Semite,
[4:44] do it openly, clearly. Instead, she relied on some passive aggressive
[4:49] ways of framing her questions, which we'll get to in just a minute. But later in the interview,
[4:53] this BBC anchor, again, Victoria Derbyshire pretended as though critics of Israel are not
[5:00] at all being penalized in the UK, which they definitely are. And I'm going to show you evidence
[5:06] of it in just a minute. But first, take a look at this.
[5:08] Well, Keir Starmer is every bit as enslaved as Donald Trump is. It is illegal. It is a crime
[5:13] for which you can be arrested in Britain right now criticizing Israel. If you say you're for
[5:18] Palestine action, you can be arrested. A lot of people have been arrested. So in other words,
[5:21] it is not legal in Britain to criticize another country. And that tells you about Britain's
[5:26] sovereignty. It doesn't have any. Its prime minister has no sovereignty.
[5:29] Mr. Carlson, that is not true. And in terms of this war, I'm specifically asking.
[5:33] Wait, I'm sorry, what is not true about that?
[5:35] Sorry. Have people not been arrested
[5:38] in Britain for criticizing Israel? They certainly have been. There's videotape a bit.
[5:42] If I may, Palestine action is a prescribed group. It is banned.
[5:47] Well, why is it banned? Now, the UK argues that it engages in terroristic activity while
[5:55] defending the Israelis who actually engage in terroristic activity. But okay, I want to show
[6:02] you who the so-called terrorists of this group happen to be. Take a look at this.
[6:08] Armed with pens, paper, and a lot of patience, thousands of activists staged a sit-down protest
[6:18] in support of Palestine action, a group banned in July 2025 under the Terrorism Act.
[6:24] The situation we have at the moment is absurd. I think it was absurd when they arrested the people
[6:32] before. We've got a 1,000% rise in the number of terrorists in this country just based on
[6:40] old people being arrested for holding a sign. According to the Metropolitan Police,
[6:46] 523 people were arrested for showing support for prescribed organization.
[6:52] Yeah, it's a lot of elderly people holding signs, getting arrested. They don't look like terrorists to me.
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[8:24] So Tucker Carlson was absolutely right about how people get penalized, arrested, treated poorly
[8:36] by their own government and law enforcement for having the audacity to speak out against war crimes
[8:42] and atrocities committed by the Israeli government and military. The fact that the BBC anchor pretended
[8:48] like this reality doesn't exist tells you everything you need to know about this particular program.
[8:53] I wouldn't trust it. She doesn't live in reality or she just flat out decides it's okay to lie to
[8:58] her own audience about the facts on the ground. Cenk, back to you.
[9:02] Yeah, so I thought that was so telling, Anna, because she's like, what you mean?
[9:06] It's outrageous. Wait, hold on. But did they get arrested for criticizing Israel? They did.
[9:12] That's a fact. So why do you want to cover up the news? Isn't that weird, guys? And she's emotional about it, too.
[9:20] Totally, totally. And like, okay, so it may be in Britain, they don't have the same kind of money
[9:25] in politics as we do. But in America, anybody can buy a US politician. What they're saying is,
[9:31] you're allowed to criticize everyone buying a US politician except the state of Israel. And
[9:37] these are not people working for the Israeli government or their PR department.
[9:43] These are anchors on BBC. And then, of course, in America, it's even worse.
[9:47] So why are they weirdly protecting Israel and literally lying while they're doing it?
[9:54] It's super strange, guys.
[9:56] Finally, we turn to the passive aggressive moment where clearly she's trying to
[10:02] accuse Tucker Carlson of being an anti-Semite. And he provides a master class on how to handle
[10:09] these types of smears. Take a look. Pretty much everything that you've said
[10:14] in our conversation, Tucker Carlson, you have put at the door of the Israeli government.
[10:18] Now, to some people, that will be evidence that you are anti-Semitic. You are anti-Jewish.
[10:23] I know, I'm very anti-Semitic. Well, first of all, the state of Israel does not speak for all Jews
[10:29] at all, despite its claims. It does not. There are many, many Jews, many of whom I know,
[10:34] who don't think the Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu speaks for them.
[10:38] No, I wasn't suggesting that. I wasn't suggesting that.
[10:41] Hold on, hold on. No, because I wasn't suggesting that.
[10:43] Of course you were suggesting that. What I was suggesting was that a lot of the things
[10:46] that you discussed today- I understand. I've been in this business longer than you,
[10:47] and I understand what a slur looks like. And you're attempting to call me an anti-Semite
[10:52] in a passive aggressive way. Some people would say that. Well, I'm responding to your slur
[10:56] and saying that it's untrue. It does not apply to me. Doubt us there are anti-Semites who don't
[11:00] like Israel. I'm not an anti-Semite. I don't hate Israel. The Israeli government, this is documented,
[11:05] and I saw it personally, steered the United States into a war that hurts the United States
[11:09] and the world. I'm offended by that. I didn't want it, and I'm mad about it now.
[11:13] I have every right to feel that way. That does not make me an anti-Semite,
[11:16] despite your insinuation. So Tucker Carlson says,
[11:20] I'm not an anti-Semite. I don't hate Israel.
[11:23] I do hate Israel, and I'm also not an anti-Semite. Israel is not representative of all Jewish people.
[11:28] And in fact, the actions of that government and the current culture within the majority
[11:36] of citizens living in Israel is not representative of Jewish people or Judaism worldwide, okay?
[11:43] You can hate a foreign country. It doesn't mean that you're a bad person,
[11:48] as long as you can explain why it is that you don't have an affinity for that country. And for me,
[11:53] it's the fact that they steal land. They have an expansionist policy that requires slaughtering
[12:00] people, displacing people. They're incredibly entitled. They think that they're entitled to
[12:05] our money, our soldiers. Yeah, I've got no love for Israel.
[12:09] That doesn't mean that I'm an anti-Semite. I don't have hatred toward Jews. I have hatred toward
[12:14] the current society, okay, culture, government, and military of Israel. And that's totally fine.
[12:21] I don't think that makes you a hateful person. But Cenk, what do you think?
[12:24] Yeah, yeah, a couple things here. So when the Saudis chopped up a Washington Post columnist,
[12:31] I hated the Saudi government. Did that mean that I hated the Saudi people? Who would be that irrational?
[12:38] And especially if you're on the left and you think there's no differences between the races and
[12:43] religions and backgrounds. Nobody hates the Saudi people. We hate the Saudi government for
[12:48] dismembering a person. Really, that's complicated. It's not complicated.
[12:53] There are people who are pretending that that's what it means are pretending.
[12:58] They're lying to you on purpose to protect Israel, okay? So number two,
[13:04] I'm gonna give you a stunning fact. Did you know that 63% of Jewish Americans say they love Israel,
[13:13] but are against the current Israeli government. They're opposed to the current Israeli government.
[13:19] 63%, the great majority of Jewish Americans. That's a lot of anti-Semites, as you would say.
[13:26] Yeah, so are 63% of Jews in America anti-Semites? That's insanity, insanity, right? But the pro-Israel
[13:35] crowd doesn't care. They don't care what Jewish Americans think. They don't care what anybody thinks.
[13:40] All they're gonna do is anti-Semite, anti-Semite. And you see it here with their trained dogs, the news
[13:45] anchors. So I'm gonna get back to that because I have a controversial opinion on that. That'll make
[13:49] her head explode. So you can look forward to that in a second. And by the way, I'm gonna go to London
[13:53] in June. Come, interview me, see how it turns out for you. Okay, so now the last point that's
[13:59] important before I get to the controversy. She said, it sounds like you're saying that
[14:05] Israel's behind everything. Hence, you must be an anti-Semite. Now, hold on, hold on.
[14:11] Nobody said that Israel's behind higher drug prices or oil subsidies or your flat tire.
[14:21] Nobody's talking about that. No, we're talking about foreign policy. And they were specifically
[14:25] talking about the war with Iran. Well, Israel is behind that. That's actually an acknowledged
[14:31] fact. And Israel's behind a lot of things. So is Big Pharma. Big Pharma controls our drug policy.
[14:38] And if you're in the middle of a conversation about drugs, you're like, well, Big Pharma controls that
[14:43] and Big Pharma controls that. Nobody would go, my God, you anti-pharmacist, right? No, of course,
[14:50] when you buy politicians, you control that sector of politics. So Israel has bought our politicians
[14:57] to control that sector of politics. These are not controversial opinions. These are very normal,
[15:02] benign opinions. But when it comes to Israel, all of the television anchors,
[15:08] everybody in mainstream media has trained to flip out, to feign outrage, to smear any opponent of
[15:17] Israel as an anti-Semite and say things like, all right, so you're saying that Israel's behind
[15:22] everything. Everything, you're anti-Semite, all right, all right. Well, so why the histrionics?
[15:28] And now the opinion they'll find controversial. Honestly, there's an effort to intimidate
[15:36] everyone in media by a group of very small Jewish Americans and Jews across the world who act like
[15:44] thugs, okay? So now they don't represent the overwhelming, 98% of Jews are just plumbers and
[15:50] dentists and have their regular jobs and nobody's coordinating with them and they didn't do anything
[15:55] wrong at all. Right, it's just that this small group is giving the rest of the Jewish population
[16:00] a really bad name, actually, right? That's right.
[16:03] Yeah. But don't tell me they don't exist.
[16:07] They stalk us, they try to get Anna's husband fired, they try to hurt our business.
[16:13] They try to, and I go to Muslim American events and almost every Muslim can tell you a story of
[16:18] what's happening once they slightly criticized Israel and how somehow some guy pops out of the
[16:23] woods and threatens their jobs, their careers, their well being. So what a lot of other Jewish
[16:30] Americans and others don't know is that there is like this reign of terror.
[16:34] And especially in media, if anyone slightly criticized Israel,
[16:40] they were definitely going to get fired until about two years ago.
[16:43] And even now, even now they've all been trained. Remember your whole life and your whole career
[16:49] is on the line. You better protect Israel. Otherwise, we're gonna call you an anti-Semite
[16:55] and destroy you. Are there people like that? Yes, definitely. There's a whole cottage industry of
[17:01] them. And that's why all of our news reporters and anchors don't do any news reporting. They're like,
[17:07] Israel's great. Israel's the greatest, greatest dude. Everybody shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
[17:12] Because they're so afraid that their careers and their lives are gonna be ruined.
[17:16] So is it time to have an honest conversation about that? Or are we gonna pretend that these
[17:21] thugs don't exist when they most definitely do exist? Absolutely. I like the honest conversations.
[17:27] And I'm not interested in being a mouthpiece or being someone who's controlled by a group of
[17:35] thugs or a small mob of people who make demands that I lied to my audience.
[17:40] That's never gonna happen regardless of the threats lodged against us.
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