Trump-Biden presidential debate moderated by Chris Wallace — FULL

[0:04] Good evening from the health education campus of Case Western Reserve University and the campus of [0:12] Case Western Reserve. I'm Chris Wallace of Fox News, and I welcome you to the first of the 2020 [0:19] presidential debates between President Donald J. Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. [0:26] This debate is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. The Commission has designed [0:31] the format, six roughly 15-minute segments, with two-minute answers from each candidate to the [0:38] first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to these [0:45] rules. For the record, I decided the topics and the questions in each topic. I can assure you none of [0:52] the questions has been shared with the Commission or the two candidates. This debate is being conducted [0:59] under health and safety protocols designed by the Cleveland Clinic, which is serving as the health [1:04] security advisor to the Commission for all four debates. As a precaution, both campaigns have [1:10] agreed the candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonight's debate. The audience here [1:17] in the hall has promised to remain silent. No cheers, no boos or other interruptions so we, [1:23] and more importantly you, can focus on what the candidates have to say. [1:28] No noise except right now, as we welcome the Republican nominee, President Trump, [1:34] and the Democratic nominee, Vice President Biden. [1:59] Gentlemen, a lot of people have been waiting for this night, so let's get going. [2:04] Our first subject is the Supreme Court. President Trump, you nominated Amy Coney Barrett over the weekend [2:11] to succeed the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court. You say the Constitution is clear about your [2:18] obligation and the Senate's to consider a nominee to the court. Vice President Biden, you say that this [2:26] is an effort by the president and Republicans to jam through on an appointment and what you call [2:32] an abuse of power. My first question to both of you tonight, why are you right in the argument you make [2:39] and your opponent wrong? And where do you think a Justice Barrett would take the court? President Trump, [2:47] in this first segment, you go first, two minutes. Thank you very much, Chris. I will tell you, [2:51] very simply, we won the election. Elections have consequences. We have the Senate, we have the [2:57] White House, and we have a phenomenal nominee, respected by all, top, top academic, good in every way, [3:07] good in every way. In fact, some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people, [3:13] from Notre Dame and other places. So I think she's going to be fantastic. We have plenty of time, [3:18] even if we did it after the election itself. I have a lot of time after the election, as you know. [3:23] So I think that she will be outstanding. She's going to be as good as anybody that has served on [3:30] that court. We really feel that. We have a professor at Notre Dame, highly respected by all, [3:34] said she's the single greatest student he's ever had. He's been a professor for a long time at a great [3:39] school. And we just, we won the election. And therefore, we have the right to choose her. [3:46] And very few people knowingly would say otherwise. And by the way, the Democrats, [3:50] they wouldn't even think about not doing it. If they had, the only difference is, [3:53] they're trying to do it faster. There's no way they would give it up. They had Merritt Garland, [3:58] but the problem is, they didn't have the election. So they were stopped. And probably that would happen [4:04] in reverse also. Definitely would happen in reverse. So we won the election. And we have the [4:08] right to do it, Chris. President Trump, thank you. Same question to you, Vice President Biden. You [4:15] have two minutes. Well, first of all, thank you for doing this and looking forward to this, [4:21] Mr. President. Thank you, Joe. The American people have a right to have a say in who the [4:27] Supreme Court nominee is. And that say occurs when they vote for United States senators and when they [4:33] vote for the president of the United States. They're not going to get that chance now because [4:39] we're in the middle of an election already. The election has already started. Tens of thousands [4:44] of people have already voted. And so the thing that should happen is we should wait. We should wait [4:49] and see what the outcome of this election is, because that's the only way the American people get to [4:53] express their view is by who they elect as president and who they elect as vice president. Now, [5:00] what's at stake here is the president's made it clear he wants to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. [5:05] He's been running on that. He ran on that. And he's been governing on that. [5:09] He's in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which will strip [5:17] 20 million people from having insurance, health insurance now, if they if it goes into court. [5:24] And and the justice and I have nothing. I'm not opposed to the justices. She seems like a very fine [5:30] person. But she's written before she went on the bench, which is her right, that she thinks that [5:35] the Affordable Care Act is not constitutional. The other thing is on the court. And if it's struck [5:40] down, what happens? Women's rights are fundamentally changed. Once again, a woman could be helped pay [5:47] more money because she has a preexisting condition of pregnancy. We were able to they were able to [5:52] charge a woman more for the same exact procedure a man did gets. And that ended when we in fact passed [5:59] the Affordable Care Act. And there's 100 million people have preexisting conditions and they'll be [6:04] taken away as well. Those preexisting conditions, insurance companies are going to love this. [6:09] And so it's just not appropriate to do this before this election. If he wins the election and the Senate [6:17] is Democrat or Republican, then he goes forward. If not, we should wait until February. [6:21] All right. There aren't 100 million people with preexisting conditions. As far as the say is [6:26] concerned, the people already had their say. They OK, Justice Ginsburg said very powerfully, [6:33] very strongly at some point 10 years ago or so, she said a president and the Senate is elected for [6:40] a period of time. But a president's elected for four years. We're not elected for three years. I'm not [6:45] elected for three years. So we have the Senate. We have a president selected to the next during that [6:50] period of time. During that period of time, we have an opening. I'm not elected for three years. [6:56] I'm elected for four years. And the 100 million people, Joe, the 100 million people is totally wrong. [7:02] I don't know where you got that number. The bigger problem that you have is that you're going to [7:07] extinguish 180 million people with their private health care that they're very happy with. [7:11] That's simply not true. Well, you're certainly going to socialists. You're going to socialists. [7:15] We're now into, gentlemen, we're now into open discussion. Open discussion. Open discussion. [7:19] Yes, I agree. Go ahead, Vice President. Number one. He knows that what I proposed. [7:25] What I proposed is that we expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any. And [7:32] one of the big debates we had with 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won [7:38] were saying that Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can. They do. [7:44] They will. Under my proposal. It's not what you've said. And it's not what your party has said. [7:48] That is simply a lie. Your party doesn't say it. Your party wants to go socialist medicine. [7:52] My party is me. And socialist health care. Right now, I am the Democratic Party. [7:55] And they're going to dominate you, Joe. You know that. [7:57] I am the Democratic Party right now. The platform of the Democratic Party is what I, [8:02] in fact, approved of. What I approved of. Now, here's the deal. [8:07] The deal is that it's going to wipe out pre-existing conditions. And by the way, [8:11] the 20, the 200 million, the 200,000 people that have died on his watch, [8:16] they're, how many of those have survived? Well, there's 7 million people that contracted COVID. [8:22] What does it mean for them going forward if you strike down the Affordable Care Act? [8:27] Joe, you've had 308,000 military people dying because you couldn't provide them proper health care [8:33] in the military. So don't tell me about this. I'm happy to talk about this. [8:35] And if you were here, it wouldn't be 200. It would be 2 million people [8:39] because you were very late on the draw. You didn't want me to ban China, which was heavily infected. [8:45] You didn't want me to ban Europe, which was heavily infected. [8:49] You would have been much later, Joe. Much later. [8:51] Mr. President. You're talking about 2 million people. [8:53] Mr. President, as a moderator, we are going to talk about COVID in the next segment, but go ahead. [8:59] Let me finish. The point is that the president also is opposed to Roe v. Wade. That's on the ballot [9:06] as well in the court, in the court. And so that's also at stake right now. And so the election is [9:12] all ready to be done. You don't know it's on the ballot. Why is it in the ballot? [9:16] Because. Why is it on the ballot? It's not in the ballot. [9:18] It's on the ballot in the court. I don't think so. [9:20] In the court. There's nothing happening there. [9:22] Donald, would you just be quiet for me? And you don't know her view on Roe v. Wade. [9:27] You don't know her view. Well, all right. All right. Let's talk. [9:31] We've got a lot to unpack here, gentlemen. We've got a lot of time. [9:36] On health care. And then we'll come back to Roe v. Wade. [9:39] All right. Mr. President, the Supreme Court will hear [9:42] a case a week after the election in which the Trump administration, along with 18 state [9:48] attorneys general, are seeking to overturn Obamacare, to end Obamacare. You have spent the last... [9:54] Because they want to give good health care. [9:56] If I may ask my question, sir. [9:58] Good health care. [9:59] Over the last four years, you have promised [10:02] to repeal and replace Obamacare, but you have never in these four years [10:07] come up with a plan, a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare. [10:12] Of course I have. [10:13] Well, I'll give you an opportunity. [10:14] I got rid of the individual mandate. [10:15] When I finish, I'm going to give you an opportunity. [10:16] Excuse me. I got rid of the individual mandate, which was a big chunk of Obamacare. [10:19] That is not a comprehensive plan. [10:20] That is absolutely a big thing. That was the worst part of Obamacare. [10:23] Chris, that was the worst part of Obamacare. [10:25] Let me ask my question. [10:26] Well, I'll ask Joe. [10:27] I... [10:27] No, I... [10:28] The individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of Obamacare. [10:31] I got rid of it. [10:32] I'd like you to... [10:33] And we will protect people with pre-existing donations. [10:34] Mr. President, I'm the moderator of this debate, [10:36] and I would like you to let me ask my question, and then you can answer your question. [10:39] Go ahead, Trent. [10:40] You, in the course of these four years, have never come up with a comprehensive plan [10:45] to replace Obamacare. And just this last Thursday, you signed a largely symbolic [10:53] executive order to protect people with pre-existing conditions five days before this debate. [11:00] So my question, sir, is what is the Trump health care plan? [11:03] Well, first of all, I guess I'm debating you, not him, but that's okay. I'm not surprised. [11:07] Let me just tell you something, that there's nothing symbolic. I'm cutting drug prices. I'm [11:12] going with favored nations, which no president has the courage to do because you're going against [11:16] big pharma. Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90 percent. You could have done it during your [11:22] 47-year period in government, but you didn't do it. Nobody's done it. So we're cutting health care. [11:28] All of the things that we've done... [11:29] He has not cut health care. [11:30] I'll give you an example. Insulin, it's going to... [11:33] It was destroying families, destroying people, the costs. [11:36] I'm getting it for so cheap. It's like water, you want to know the truth. So cheap. [11:41] Take a look at all of the drugs that what we're doing, prescription drug prices. [11:44] We're going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because they pay [11:49] just a tiny fraction. [11:50] As I say, this is open discussion. [11:51] No, but this is big stuff. [11:54] Sir, you'll be happy. I'm about to pick up on one of your points [11:57] to ask the vice president, which is he points out that you would like to add a public option [12:03] to Obamacare. And the argument that he makes, and other Republicans make, [12:08] is that that is going to end private insurance. [12:11] It is not. [12:11] And will... [12:11] If I could ask you the question... [12:14] It's not what your party says, by the way. [12:16] It will end private insurance and create a government takeover of health care. [12:20] It does not. It's only for those people who are so poor, they qualify for Medicaid. [12:25] They can get that free in most states, except governors who want to deny people who are poor, [12:31] Medicaid. Anyone who qualifies for Medicare would... [12:35] Excuse me, Medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. [12:39] The vast majority of the American people would still not be in that option, number one. [12:45] Joe, you agreed with Bernie Sanders, who's far left, on the manifesto, we call it, [12:50] and that gives you socialized medicine. [12:52] Look, hey, I'm not going to listen to him. The fact of the matter is, I beat Bernie Sanders. [12:57] Not by much. [12:58] I beat him a whole hell of a lot. I'm here, I'm here standing facing you. [13:01] Not by much. Pocahontas would have left two days earlier. [13:04] You would have lost every primary on Super Tuesday. [13:06] You got very lucky. Look, here's the deal. [13:08] I got very lucky. I'm going to get very lucky tonight, as well. [13:11] And tonight, I'm going to make sure, because here's the deal. Here's the deal. [13:15] The fact is that everything he's saying so far is simply a lie. [13:19] I'm not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he's a liar. [13:22] But you agree. I just want to make sure. [13:23] Joe, you're the liar. [13:24] I want to make sure. [13:25] You're right you ordered last in your class, not first in your class. [13:29] I want to make sure. [13:30] Mr. President, can you let him finish, sir? [13:32] He doesn't know how to do that. [13:33] He has, you know, you picked the wrong guy, the wrong night at the wrong time. [13:38] Listen, you agreed with Bernie Sanders for the manifesto. [13:41] The whole idea, there is no manifesto, number one. [13:44] Please let him speak, Mr. President. [13:45] Number two. [13:46] He just lost the left. [13:47] Number two. [13:49] You just lost the left. [13:51] You agreed with Bernie Sanders on a plan that's absolutely agreed to. [13:55] Folks, do you have any idea what this clown's doing? [13:58] Socialized medicine. [14:01] Mr. President. [14:01] Well, I'll tell you what, he is not for any help for people needing health care. [14:07] Because he, in fact, already has cost 10 million people their health care that they had from [14:15] their employers because of his recession. [14:17] Number one. [14:18] Number two, there are 20 million people getting health care through Obamacare now that he wants [14:23] to take it away. [14:25] He won't ever look you in the eye and say that's what he wants to do. [14:28] Take it away. [14:29] No, I want to give him better health care at a much lower price. [14:31] Because Obamacare is no good. [14:32] And by the way, he doesn't know how. [14:33] He doesn't know how to do that. [14:34] I've already fixed it. [14:35] He has never offered a plan. [14:36] He's never fixed it to an extent. [14:37] He has never done a single thing. [14:39] Obamacare, as you might know, but probably don't, Obamacare is no good. [14:42] Gentlemen, you realize if you're both speaking at the same time. [14:44] It's still good. [14:44] And it's too expensive. [14:45] Let the presidents. [14:46] Go ahead, sir. [14:46] Obamacare is no good. [14:48] We made it better. [14:49] And I had a choice to make very early on. [14:51] We took away the individual mandate. [14:53] We guarantee pre-existing conditions, but took away the individual mandate. [14:57] Listen, this is the way it is. [14:59] And that destroyed, they shouldn't even call it Obamacare. [15:03] Then I had a choice to make. [15:04] Do I let my people run it really well or badly? [15:08] If I run it badly, they'll probably blame him, but they'll blame me. [15:10] But more importantly, I want to help people, okay? [15:13] I said, you've got to run it so well. [15:14] That's what he's known for. [15:15] And I just had a meeting with them. [15:16] They said, the problem is, no matter how well you run Obamacare, it's a disaster. [15:21] It's too expensive, premiums are too high, and it doesn't work. [15:25] So we do want to get rid of it. [15:27] I understand it, sir, but I have to give you roughly equal time. [15:32] Please let the vice president talk. [15:35] Good. [15:36] He has no plan for health care. [15:38] Of course we do. [15:39] He sends out wishful thinking. [15:42] He has executive orders that have no power. [15:45] He hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody. [15:47] He's been promising a health care plan since he got elected. [15:50] He has none, like almost everything else he talks about. [15:54] He does not have a plan. [15:56] He doesn't have a plan. [15:58] And the fact is, this man doesn't know what he's talking about. [16:01] All right, I have one final question for you, Mr. Vice President. [16:06] If Senate Republicans, we were talking originally about the Supreme Court here, [16:10] if Senate Republicans go ahead and confirm Justice Barrett, [16:15] there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court, [16:20] adding to the nine justices there. [16:22] You call this a distraction by the president. [16:24] But in fact, it wasn't brought up by the president. [16:27] It was brought up by some of your Democratic colleagues in the Congress. [16:31] So my question to you is, you have refused in the past to talk about it. [16:34] Are you willing to tell the American people tonight whether or not you will support [16:39] either ending the filibuster or packing the court? [16:42] Whatever position I take in that, that will become the issue. [16:45] The issue is the American people should speak. [16:47] You should go out and vote. [16:49] You're in voting now. [16:51] Vote and let your senators know how strongly you feel. [16:54] Are you going to pack the court? [16:54] Let vote now. [16:55] Are you going to pack the court? [16:56] Make sure you, in fact, let people know you're senators. [16:59] He doesn't want to answer the question. [17:00] I'm not going to answer the question. [17:01] Why wouldn't you answer that question? [17:02] Because the question is, you want to put a lot of new Supreme Court justices, radical left. [17:06] Will you shut up, man? [17:07] Listen, who is on your list, Joe? [17:09] This is so, gentlemen, I think we've ended this. [17:12] This is so unprecedented. [17:13] He's going to pack the court. [17:14] He's not going to give a list. [17:15] We have ended this segment. [17:16] We're going to move on to the second segment. [17:18] That was really a productive segment, wasn't it? [17:22] Keep yapping, man. [17:23] The people understand, Joe. [17:25] 47 years, you've done nothing. [17:26] They understand. [17:27] All right. [17:28] The second subject is COVID-19, which is an awfully serious subject. [17:32] So let's try to be serious about it. [17:36] We have had more than 7 million cases of coronavirus in the United States, [17:41] and more than 200,000 people have died. [17:45] Even after we produce a vaccine, experts say that it could be months or even years [17:52] before we come back to anything approaching normal. [17:57] My question for both of you is, based on what you have said and done so far, [18:03] and what you have said you would do starting in 2021, [18:07] why should the American people trust you more than your opponent to deal with this [18:13] public health crisis going forward? [18:15] In this case, the question goes to you first, sir. [18:19] Two minutes uninterrupted. [18:20] Good luck. [18:23] 200,000 dead. [18:24] As you said, over 7 million infected in the United States. [18:28] We, in fact, have 4% of the world's population, 20% of the deaths. [18:35] 40,000 people a day are contracting COVID. [18:39] In addition to that, about between 750 and 1,000 people today are dying. [18:44] When he was presented with that number, he said it is what it is. [18:48] Well, it is what it is because you are who you are. [18:51] That's why it is. [18:52] The president has no plan. [18:55] He hasn't laid out anything. [18:57] He knew all the way back in February how serious this crisis was. [19:02] He knew it was a deadly disease. [19:04] What did he do? [19:05] He's on tape, he's acknowledging he knew it. [19:08] He said he didn't tell us or give people a warning of it because he didn't want to panic the American [19:13] people. [19:13] You don't panic. [19:15] He panicked. [19:16] In addition to that, what did he do? [19:18] He went in and we were insisting that the Chinese, the people we had on the ground in China should [19:23] be able to go to Wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. [19:27] He did not even ask Xi to do that. [19:30] He told us what a great job Xi was doing. [19:33] He said we owe him a debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us. [19:38] And what did he do then? [19:40] He then did nothing. [19:41] He waited and waited and waited. [19:43] He still doesn't have a plan. [19:44] Wow. [19:45] I laid out back in March exactly what we should be doing. [19:49] And I laid out again in July what we should be doing. [19:53] We should be providing all the protective gear possible. [19:56] We should be providing the money the House has passed in order to be able to go out and get [20:01] people the help they need to keep their businesses open, open schools that cost a lot of money. [20:06] You should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap and get in your golf course and [20:10] go in the Oval Office and bring together the Democrats and Republicans and fund what needs [20:15] to be done now to save lives. [20:17] So if we would have listened to you. [20:19] Wait, wait, you have two minutes, sir. [20:21] If we would have listened to you, the country would have been left wide open. [20:25] Millions of people would have died, not 200,000. [20:28] And one person is too much. [20:29] It's China's fault. [20:30] It should have never happened. [20:32] They stopped it from going in, but it was China's fault. [20:35] And by the way, when you talk about numbers, you don't know how many people died in China. [20:38] You don't know how many people died in Russia. [20:40] You don't know how many people died in India. [20:42] They don't exactly give you a straight count, just so you understand. [20:45] But if you look at what we've done, I closed it and you said he's xenophobic. [20:49] He's a racist and he's xenophobic because you didn't think I should have closed our country. [20:53] Wait a minute. [20:54] It says two minutes. [20:54] You didn't think we should have closed our country because you thought it was too, [20:58] it was terrible. [20:59] You wouldn't have closed it for another two months. [21:02] By my doing it early. [21:03] In fact, Dr. Fauci said President Trump saved thousands of lives. [21:07] Many of you are Democrat governors said President Trump did a phenomenal job. [21:12] We worked with the governor. [21:13] Oh, really? [21:14] Go take a look. [21:15] The governors said I did a phenomenal job. [21:18] Most of them said that. [21:19] In fact, people that would not be necessarily on my side said that. [21:24] President Trump did a phenomenal job. [21:27] We did. [21:27] We got the gowns. [21:28] We got the masks. [21:29] We made the ventilators. [21:31] You wouldn't have made ventilators. [21:32] And now we're weeks away from a vaccine. [21:35] We're doing therapeutics already. [21:37] Fewer people are dying when they get sick. [21:39] Far fewer people are dying. [21:41] We've done a great job. [21:42] The only thing I haven't done a good job, and that's because of the fake news. [21:45] No matter what you say to them, they give you a bad press on it. [21:48] It's just fake news. [21:49] They give you good press. [21:50] They give me bad press because that's the way it is, unfortunately. [21:53] But let me just tell you something. [21:55] I don't care. [21:55] I've gotten used to it. [21:56] But I'll tell you, Joe, you could never have done the job that we did. [21:59] You don't have it in your blood. [22:00] You could have never done that yet. [22:02] I know how to do the job. [22:04] I know how to get the job done. [22:05] Well, you didn't do very well in swine flu. [22:08] H1N1, you were a disaster. [22:10] Your own chief of staff said you were a disaster. [22:12] 14,000 people died, not 200,000. [22:15] There was no economic recession. [22:17] A very — [22:17] You made a — [22:18] Far less lethal disease, by the way. [22:19] You made a point. [22:20] Let him answer it. [22:21] And there was no one — there was no — we didn't shut down the economy. [22:24] This is his economy that's being — he shut down. [22:27] The reason it's shut down is because, look, you folks at home, [22:30] how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table [22:35] because someone died of COVID? [22:36] How many of you were in a situation where you lost your [22:39] mom or dad and you couldn't even speak to them? [22:41] You had a nurse holding the phone up so you could, in fact, say goodbye? [22:45] You would have lost far more people. [22:46] How many people — [22:46] Far more people. [22:47] You would have been months late. [22:49] And by the way, your own — [22:50] You were months behind me, Joe. [22:51] His own CDC director says we could lose as many as another 200,000 people between [22:56] now and the end of the year. [22:57] And he held up — he said, if we just wear a mask, we can save half those numbers. [23:02] Just — just a mask. [23:03] And by the way, in terms of the whole notion of a vaccine, we're for a vaccine, [23:08] but we — I don't trust him at all, nor do you. [23:10] I know you don't. [23:11] What we trust is a scientist. [23:13] You don't trust — [23:13] We trust Dr. Fauci. [23:14] Dr. Fauci. [23:15] Dr. Fauci. [23:15] Dr. Fauci. [23:16] We — we — and by the way — [23:17] Dr. Gentlemen, let me move on to questions about the future, [23:21] because you both have touched on one of the — two of the questions I'm going to ask. [23:24] Uh, focusing on the future first, President Trump, you have repeatedly [23:29] either contradicted or been at odds with some of your government's own top scientists. [23:34] The week before last, the head of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. Redfield, [23:38] said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available [23:44] to the public. [23:45] You said that he was confused and mistaken. [23:48] Those were your two words. [23:49] Dr. Yeah. [23:50] Dr. But, Dr. Slaoui, the head of your Operation War Speed, [23:54] has said exactly the same thing. [23:56] Are they both wrong? [23:57] Dr. Well, I've spoken to the companies, [23:58] and we can have it a lot sooner. [23:59] It's a very political thing, because people like this [24:02] would rather make it political than save lives. [24:04] Dr. God. [24:05] Dr. It is a very political thing. [24:06] I've spoken to Pfizer. [24:08] I've spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to. [24:11] We have great Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and others. [24:14] They can go faster than that by a lot. [24:17] Become very political, because the left, or I don't know if I call them left, [24:21] I don't know what I call them. [24:21] So you're suggesting that the head of your Operation War Speed, Dr. Slaoui? [24:23] Dr. I disagree with him. [24:24] Yeah. [24:25] No, I disagree with both of them. [24:26] And he didn't say that. [24:27] He said it could be there, but it could also be much sooner. [24:29] I had him in my office two days ago. [24:31] He talked about the summer, sir, before it's generally available, just like Dr. Redfield. [24:34] He said it's a possibility that we'll have [24:37] the answer before November 1st. [24:40] It could also be after that. [24:41] I'm talking about when it's generally available. [24:42] Well, we're going to deliver it right away. [24:44] We have the military all set up. [24:45] Logistically, they're all set up. [24:47] We have our military that delivers soldiers, [24:50] and they can do 200,000 a day. [24:52] They're going to be delivering to us. [24:53] This is the same man who told you by Easter, this would be gone away. [24:58] By the warm weather, it'd be gone. [25:00] Miraculous, like a miracle. [25:02] And by the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm, [25:04] and that would take care of it. [25:05] This is the same man. [25:06] That was said sarcastically, and you know that. [25:08] That was said sarcastically. [25:09] And so here's the deal. [25:11] This man is talking about a vaccine. [25:13] Every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year, [25:21] but the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning [25:24] or the middle of next year to get it out, if we get the vaccine. [25:28] And pray God we will. [25:29] Pray God we will. [25:30] Mr. Vice President, I want to pick up, though. [25:32] You'll have the vaccine sooner than that. [25:33] I want to pick up on this question, though. [25:35] You say the public can trust the scientists, but they can't trust President Trump. [25:39] In fact, you said that again tonight. [25:41] Your running mate, Senator Harris, goes further, saying the public health experts, quote, [25:46] will be muzzled, will be suppressed. [25:49] Given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant [25:55] to take it, are you and your running mate, Senator Harris, contributing to that fear? [26:00] No more than the question you just asked him. [26:02] You pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists. [26:07] But you're saying Senator Harris is saying you can't trust the scientists. [26:10] Well, no, no. [26:11] You can't trust the scientists. [26:12] She didn't say that. [26:13] You can't trust the scientists. [26:14] She said the public health experts, quote, will be muzzled, will be suppressed. [26:18] Well, that's what he's going to try to do. [26:20] But there's millions of scientists, there's thousands of scientists out there, like here [26:24] at this great hospital, that don't work for him. [26:28] Their job doesn't depend on him. [26:30] That's not — they're the people — and by the way — [26:33] I spoke to the scientists that are in charge. [26:34] By the way — [26:35] They will have the vaccine very soon. [26:36] Let him put it. [26:37] Do you believe for a moment what he's telling you, [26:41] in light of all the lies he's told you about the whole issue relating to COVID? [26:47] He still hasn't even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, [26:51] knew how dangerous it was going to be back in February, and he didn't even tell you. [26:57] He's on record as saying it. [26:59] He panicked, or he just looked at the stock market — one of the two. [27:02] Because guess what? [27:03] A lot of people died. [27:05] And a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker. [27:09] Mr. President? [27:10] Did you use the word smart? [27:13] So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. [27:17] You didn't go to Delaware State. [27:19] You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. [27:23] Don't ever use the word smart with me. [27:25] Don't ever use that word. [27:26] Oh, give me a break. [27:26] Because you know what? [27:27] There's nothing smart about you, Joe. [27:29] 47 years, you've done nothing. [27:30] Let's have this debate. [27:31] And if you would have had — let me just tell you something, Joe. [27:34] If you would have had the charge of what I was put through, [27:38] I had to close the greatest economy in the history of our country. [27:41] And by the way, now it's being built again. [27:43] And it's going up fast. [27:44] We're going to get to the economy in the next segment, sir. [27:46] Okay. [27:46] It's going up fast. [27:47] Okay. [27:48] When it comes to how the virus has been handled so far, [27:52] the two of you have taken very different approaches. [27:55] And this is going to affect how the virus is handled going forward by [28:00] whichever of you ends up becoming the next president. [28:02] I want to quickly go through several of those. [28:04] Reopenings. [28:06] Vice President Biden, you have been much more reluctant than [28:08] President Trump about reopening the economy and schools. [28:13] Why, sir? [28:13] Because he doesn't have a plan. If I were running it, I'd know what the plan is. [28:17] You've got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the PPE [28:23] as well as with the sanitation they need. You have to provide them — [28:27] Tell that to Nancy Pelosi. [28:28] Well, he's just shushed for a minute. [28:31] Tell it to Nancy Pelosi and Schumer. [28:33] And, by the way, Nancy Pelosi and Schumer, they have a plan. [28:37] He won't even meet with them. The Republicans won't meet with the Senate. [28:41] Okay. [28:41] And he sits — he sits on his golf course and — I mean, literally, think about it. [28:45] You probably play more than I do, Joe. [28:47] What about this question of reopenings and the fact — [28:50] Well, he wants to shut down this country. [28:53] Oh. [28:53] And I want to keep it open. [28:55] And we did a great thing by shutting it down — [28:56] You just admitted he shut it down. [28:57] Wait a minute, Joe. Let me shut you down for a second, Joe. Just for one second. [29:02] We want to — he wants to shut down the country. We just went through it. We had to, [29:06] because we didn't know anything about the disease. Now we've found that elderly people [29:10] with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very, very vulnerable. We learned [29:15] a lot. Young children aren't. Even younger people aren't. We've learned a lot. But he wants to shut [29:21] it down. More people will be hurt by continuing. If you look at Pennsylvania, if you look at certain [29:27] states that have been shut down — they have Democrat governors all — one of the reasons they're [29:31] shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election on November 3rd. [29:35] I want to move on to another subject. [29:37] Because it's a political — I want to move on to another subject. [29:38] Those states are not doing well that are shut down. [29:43] I've got to respond to that. [29:44] President Trump, you have begun to increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease [29:52] preventer. And in fact, recently, you have cited the issue of waiters touching their masks and [29:58] touching plates. Are you questioning the efficacy of masks? [30:00] No, I think masks are OK. You have to understand, if you look — I mean, I have a mask right here. I [30:05] put a mask on, you know, when I think I need it. Tonight, as an example, everybody's had a test, [30:10] and you've had social distancing and all of the things that you have to. But I wear masks when needed. [30:16] When needed, I wear masks. [30:17] OK, let me ask. [30:18] I don't have — I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him, he's got a mask. He could be speaking [30:22] 200 feet away from it. He shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen. [30:26] I will say — Vice President Biden, go ahead, sir. [30:30] Look, the way to open businesses is give them the wherewithal to be able to open. [30:35] We provided money that Congress — But I was asking you, sir, about masks. [30:38] Well, masks — masks make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore masks between [30:43] now — if everybody wore masks in social distance between now and January, we'd probably save up to [30:49] 100,000 lives. It matters. It matters. [30:51] And they've also said the opposite. They've also said the opposite. [30:54] No, no serious person said the opposite. No serious person. [30:57] Well, look at Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci said the opposite. [31:00] He did not say the opposite. [31:01] I want to ask you, we've got a little bit more than a minute left in this segment. [31:03] Masks are not good. Then he changed his mind. He said masks are good. [31:07] I'm OK with masks. I'm not fighting masks. [31:08] I want to ask you both about one last subject, because your different approach has even affected [31:13] the way that you have campaigned. President Trump, you're holding large rallies with crowds [31:18] packed together, thousands of people — Outside. [31:21] Outside. Yes, sir. Agreed. [31:22] Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events with — [31:27] Because nobody will show up. [31:28] People with — [31:29] Well, it's true. Nobody shows up to his rallies. [31:32] All right. In any case, why you holding the big rallies? Why you not? You go first, sir. [31:38] Because people want to hear what I have to say. I mean — [31:41] But are you not worried about a spreading disease? [31:41] I've done a great job as a president, and I'll have 25, 35,000 people show up at airports. [31:47] We use airports — [31:47] Are you not worried about the disease issues, sir? [31:49] Well, so far, we have had no problem whatsoever. It's outside. That's a big difference, [31:55] according to the experts. And we do them outside. We have tremendous crowds, as you see. I mean, [32:01] every — and literally on 24 hours' notice. And Joe does the circles and has three people someplace. [32:07] By the way, did you see one of the last big rallies he had, and a reporter came up to him to ask him a [32:14] question. He said, no, no, no. Stand back. Put on your mask. Put on a mask. Have you been tested? [32:20] I'm way — I'm way far away from those other people. That's what he said. I can't — I'm going to be okay. [32:26] He's not worried about you. He's not worried about the people out there breathing in one of the other. [32:30] We've had no negative effect. [32:30] The chief to jail — no negative effect. [32:32] We've had no negative effect. And we've had 35,000, 40,000 people at these rallies. [32:37] Just quickly finish up, because I want to move on to our next one. [32:39] Yes, I would. He's been totally irresponsible the way in which he has handled the social distancing [32:45] and people wearing masks, basically encouraged him not to. [32:48] All right. Ben, he's a fool on this. [32:50] If you could get the crowds, you would have done the same thing. But you can. Nobody cares. [32:54] Gentlemen, can we move on to the economy? [32:55] Yes. The economy is, I think it's fair to say, recovering faster than expected from the shutdown [33:04] in the second quarter. The unemployment rate fell to 8.4 percent last month. [33:09] The Federal Reserve says the hit to growth, which is going to be there, [33:14] is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected. [33:17] President Trump, you say we are in a V-shaped recovery. [33:21] Vice President Biden, you say it's more of a K-shape. What difference does that mean [33:28] to the American people in terms of the economy? President Trump, in this segment, you go first. [33:33] So we built the greatest economy in history. We closed it down because of the China plague. [33:38] When the plague came in, we closed it down, which was very hard psychologically to do. [33:42] He didn't think we should close it down, and he was wrong. [33:45] And, again, two million people would be dead now instead of still 204,000 people is too much. [33:52] One person is too much. Should have never happened from China. [33:55] But what happened is we closed it down, and now we're reopening, and we're doing record business. [34:00] We had 10.4 million people in a four-month period that we've put back into the workforce. [34:05] That's a record the likes of which nobody's ever seen before. And he wants to close down the— [34:10] he will shut it down again. He will destroy this country. [34:13] You know, a lot of people, between drugs and alcohol and depression, when you start shutting [34:18] it down, you take a look at what's happening in some of your Democrat-run states, where they have [34:22] these tough shutdowns. And I'm telling you, it's because they don't want to open it. [34:27] One of them came out last week. You saw that. Oh, we're going to open up on November 9th. [34:31] Why November 9th? Because it's after the election. They think they're hurting us by keeping them [34:36] closed. They're hurting people. People know what to do. They can social distance. They can wash the hands. [34:42] They can wear masks. They can do whatever they want. But they've got to open these states up. [34:46] When you look at North Carolina, when you look—and these governors are under siege—Pennsylvania, [34:52] Michigan, and a couple of others, you've got to open these states up. It's not fair. [34:56] You're talking about almost just like being in prison. And you look at what's going on with divorce. [35:01] Look at what's going on with alcoholism and drugs. It's a very, very sad thing. [35:05] And he'll close down the whole country. This guy will close down the whole country [35:09] and destroy our country. Our country is coming back incredibly well, [35:13] setting records as it does it. We don't need somebody to come in and say, let's shut it down. [35:18] All right. Your two minutes, sir. We now move to you. As I said, posing the question, [35:24] the president says it's a V-shaped recovery. You say it's a K-shaped recovery. What's the difference? [35:30] The difference is millionaires and billionaires like him, in the middle of the COVID crisis, [35:35] have done very well. Billionaires have made another $300 billion because of his profligate tax [35:45] proposal, and he only focused on the market. But you folks at home, you folks living in Scranton [35:51] and Claymont and all the small towns and working-class towns in America, how well are you doing? [35:56] This guy paid a total of $750 in taxes. [35:59] Sir, wait, wait, no. Sir, it's just- It's the wrong state. [36:02] I understand. You've agreed to the two minutes, so please let him have it. [36:05] Do I get my time back? The fact is that he has, in fact, worked on this in a way that he's going [36:10] to be the first president of the United States to leave office, having fewer jobs in his administration [36:17] than when he became president. Fewer jobs than when he became president. First one in American history. [36:22] Secondly, the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the front lines, [36:28] those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying, [36:32] people who have been putting themselves in the way to make sure that we could all try to make it. [36:37] And the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half [36:44] the states in America with a significant increase in COVID deaths and COVID cases in the United States [36:50] of America, and he wants to open it up more. Why does he want to open it up? Why doesn't he take [36:55] care of the America? You can't fix the economy until you fix the COVID crisis. And he has no [37:01] intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and [37:06] your safety. Schools. Why aren't schools open? Because it costs a lot of money to open them safely. [37:12] You know, they were going to give his administration going to give the teachers and school students [37:16] masks. And then they decided, no, couldn't do that because it's not a national emergency, [37:21] not a national emergency. They've done nothing to help small businesses. Nothing. They're closing. [37:27] One in six is now gone. He ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the American people [37:34] so we can open safely. All right. Your time is up, sir. Well, you're going to get to it. [37:38] I have to respond to that. Well, you both had two minutes, sir. [37:41] Excuse me. He made a statement. So did you. People want their schools. No, [37:45] people want their schools open. They don't want to be shut down. They don't want their state shut down. [37:49] They want their restaurants. I look at New York. It's so sad what's happening in New York. It's [37:53] almost like a ghost town. And I'm not sure it can ever recover what they've done in New York. [37:57] People want their places open. They want to get back to their lives. People want to be safe. [38:01] They'll be careful, but they want their schools open. People want to be safe. [38:04] I'm the one that brought back football. By the way, I brought back Big Ten football. It was me, [38:09] and I'm very happy to do it. And the people of Ohio are very proud of me. And you know how I found out [38:16] when it took a phony in. Gentlemen, we're going to get to your economic plans going forward in a [38:20] moment. But first, Mr. President, as you well know, there's a new report that in 2016, the year you were [38:26] elected president, and 2017, your first year as president, that you paid $750 a year in federal [38:35] income tax each of those years. I know that you pay a lot of other taxes, but I'm asking you the specific [38:43] question. Is it true that you paid $750 in federal income taxes each of those two years? [38:49] I paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars of income tax. And let me just tell you, [38:56] there was a story in one of the papers. Show us your tax returns. [38:58] I paid $38 million one year. I paid $27 million one year. Show us your tax returns. [39:05] I went. You'll see it as soon as it's finished. You'll see it. You know, if you want to do, [39:09] go to the board of elections. There's a 118 page or so report that says everything I have, [39:15] every bank I have, I'm totally under leveraged because the assets are extremely good. [39:20] And we have a very, we have a, I built a great company. [39:23] Sir, I'm asking you a specific question, which is. [39:25] But let me tell you. [39:25] I understand all of that. [39:26] Release your tax returns. [39:27] I understand all of that. [39:28] But let me. [39:28] No, Mr. President. [39:29] Go ahead. [39:30] I'm asking you a question. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes [39:36] in 2016 and 2017? [39:38] Millions of dollars. [39:39] You paid millions of dollars? [39:41] Millions of dollars. [39:41] So not $750. [39:42] Millions of dollars. And you'll get to see it. [39:44] And you'll get to see it. [39:45] When? [39:45] But let me just tell you. [39:47] Chris, let me just tell you something that it was the tax laws. I don't want to pay tax. [39:52] Before I came here, I was a private developer. I was a private business people. Like every other [39:57] private person, unless they're stupid, they go through the laws and that's what it is. [40:02] He passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits. [40:09] We build a building and we get tax credits like the hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue. [40:13] You get a massive. [40:14] Which, by the way, was given to me by the Obama administration, if you can believe that. [40:19] Now, the man got fired right after that happened. [40:22] Vice President Biden, you want to respond? [40:24] Yeah, I do want to respond. [40:25] Look, the tax code that made him, put him in a position that he pays less tax than a [40:32] schoolteacher makes, on the money a schoolteacher makes, is because of him taking, he says he's [40:38] smart because he can take advantage of the tax code. And he does take advantage of the tax code. [40:43] That's why I'm going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts and we're going to, I'm going to eliminate [40:47] those tax cuts and make sure that we invest in the people who in fact need the help. [40:53] People out there need help. [40:55] But why didn't you do it over 20, in the last 25 years? [40:57] Why didn't you do it over the last 25 years? [40:59] Because you weren't president screwing things up. [41:01] No, no, no. You were a senator. [41:02] You're the worst president America has ever had. Come on. [41:06] Let me just tell you, Joe. I've done more in 47 months. I've done more than you've done in 47 years, [41:12] Joe. We've done things that you never even thought of doing, including fixing the broken [41:17] military that you gave me, including taking care of your vets. [41:20] Mr. President, we're talking about the economy. I'd like to ask you about your plans going forward, [41:24] because, Mr. Vice President, your economic plan, if you were to be elected president, [41:31] focuses a lot on big government, big taxes, big spending. I want to focus first on the taxes. [41:37] You propose more than $4 trillion over a decade in new taxes on individuals making more than $400,000 [41:45] a year and on corporations. President Trump says that that kind of an increase in taxes [41:51] is going to hurt the economy as it's just coming out of a recession. [41:55] Well, just take a look at what the analysis has been done by Wall Street firms points out that [42:01] my economic plan would create 7 million more jobs than his in four years, number one. And number two, [42:09] it would create an additional $1 trillion in economic growth, because it would be about buying [42:15] American, that we have to – we're going to make – the federal government spend $600 billion a year [42:20] on everything from ships to steel to buildings and the like. And under my proposal, we're going to [42:27] make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a company in America. [42:31] But respectfully, sir, I'm talking about taxes, not spending. [42:34] Well, by the way, I'm going to eliminate a significant number of the tax. I'm going to make [42:38] the corporate tax 28 percent. It shouldn't be 21 percent. You have 19 companies – 91 companies [42:46] federal – I mean, in the Fortune 500, who don't pay a single penny in tax making billions of dollars. [42:51] Why didn't you do it before when you were vice president with Obama? [42:54] Because you, in fact, passed that. That was your tax proposal. [42:58] I got it done. And you know what happened? [42:59] You got it done. [43:00] Our economy boomed like it's never boomed before. [43:02] The economy has busted. Let me finish. [43:04] Let me – Mr. President, let me pick up on that. You would continue your free market approach, [43:10] lower taxes, more deregulation, correct? [43:12] Not lower taxes of American people. [43:14] Let me – [43:15] Excuse me. [43:15] But in – but in Obama's – you talk about the economy booming. [43:18] It turns out that in Obama's final three years as president, more jobs were created, [43:24] a million and a half more jobs than in the first three years of your presidency. [43:29] They had the slowest recovery since – economic recovery, [43:33] since 1929. It was the slowest recovery. Also, they took over something that was down here. [43:40] All you had to do is turn on the lights and you pick up a lot. [43:43] But they had the slowest economic recovery since 1929. Let me tell you about the stock market. [43:48] When the stock market goes up, that means jobs. It also means 401Ks. If you got in, [43:53] if you ever became president with your ideas, you want to terminate my taxes, I'll tell you what, [43:59] you'll lose – half of the companies that have poured in here will leave, and plenty of companies [44:04] that are already here, they'll leave for other places. [44:05] Half of the companies have – [44:06] They will leave, and you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen. [44:11] Look, we inherited the worst recession short of a depression in American history. [44:17] I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the [44:21] jobs you're talking about. We handed him a booming economy. He blew it. [44:26] It wasn't booming. He blew it. [44:28] It wasn't booming. It was the weakest recovery since 1929. [44:31] Wait, wait. Is it fair to say he blew it when, in fact, [44:35] when there was record low unemployment before COVID? [44:39] Yeah, but because what he did, even before COVID, manufacturing went in the hole. [44:44] Manufacturing went in the hole, number one. [44:46] Excuse me, Chris. Wait. [44:47] Number two. Chris. [44:48] Number three. [44:48] They said it would take – no, you're on number two. [44:50] No. [44:51] Chris, Chris. [44:53] They said it would take a miracle to bring back manufacturing. [44:57] I brought back 700,000 jobs. They brought back nothing. They gave up on manufacturing. [45:02] We did not agree. [45:02] Part of my standard fare – [45:03] I'm the guy that brought back the automobile industry. [45:04] He totally gave up on manufacturing. [45:06] All right, let him know. [45:06] We brought back – I was asked to bring back Chrysler and General Motors. [45:10] We brought them back right here in the state of Ohio and Michigan. [45:13] He blew it. They're gone. He blew it. And, in fact, they're going – [45:16] Ohio had the best year it's ever had last year. [45:19] Michigan had the best year they've ever had. [45:21] That is not true. [45:22] Many car companies came in from Germany, from Japan, [45:25] went to Michigan, went to Ohio. [45:27] They're not having – [45:27] And they didn't come in with you. [45:29] Mr. Vice President, go ahead. [45:30] And so you take a look at what he's actually done. [45:33] He's done very little. His trade deals are the same way. [45:36] He talks about these great trade deals. You know, he talks about the art of the deal. [45:40] China has made – perfected the art of the steel. [45:43] We have a higher deficit with China now than we did before. [45:46] We have the highest deficit – trade deficit with Mexico. [45:49] China ate your lunch. [45:49] All right, gentlemen, percent. [45:50] And China ate your lunch, Joe. [45:52] And no wonder your son goes in and he takes out – he takes out billions of dollars, [45:58] takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions of dollars. [46:01] And also, while we're at it, why is it, just out of curiosity, [46:06] the mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son three and a half million dollars. [46:10] That's not true. [46:10] What did he do to deserve it? [46:11] That is – [46:11] What did he do with Barisawa to deserve $183,000? [46:16] None of that is true. [46:16] You've asked your question, not an answer. [46:18] If not, none of that is true. [46:19] Oh, really? He didn't get three and a half million? [46:21] Mr. President, he did. [46:22] Mr. President, please, you've asked your question. [46:23] Totally discredited. Totally discredited. And by the way – [46:27] Well, wait, he didn't get three and a half million dollars, Joe? [46:29] Mr. Vice – [46:30] He got three and a half million dollars. [46:32] It is not true. [46:33] Oh, really? [46:33] Mr. President, it's an open discussion, please. [46:37] No, it's a fact. [46:38] Well, you have raised an issue. [46:40] Let the vice president answer. [46:42] It's been totally discredited. [46:43] Did Barisawa pay him $183,000 a month with no experience in energy? [46:48] Mr. President, my son did nothing wrong at Barisawa. [46:51] I think he did. [46:52] Mr. President, let him answer. [46:54] He doesn't want to let me answer because he knows I have the truth. [46:58] His position has been totally, thoroughly discredited. [47:00] By who? [47:01] The media. [47:02] By everybody. Well, by the media, by our allies, by the World Bank. [47:05] Because they refuse to talk about it because they're embarrassed. [47:08] By everyone has discredited. [47:10] As a matter of fact, matter of fact, even the people who testified under oath. [47:15] Mr. President, please stop. [47:15] So let me ask you this. [47:16] Under oath. [47:17] Go ahead, Mr. I'm listening to you. [47:18] You got three and a half million dollars from Moscow. [47:20] He testified under oath and his administration said, [47:25] I did my job and I did it very well. [47:27] I did it honorably. [47:29] I don't know who they are. [47:30] Well, I'll give you the list of the people who testified. [47:32] No, no, go ahead, sir. [47:32] Sure. [47:33] You've already fired most of them because they did a good job. [47:36] Some people don't do a good job. [47:37] Well, here's it. [47:38] With you. [47:38] Go ahead. [47:39] Wait a minute. [47:40] You get the final word. [47:40] Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown. [47:43] Excuse me. [47:43] This person. [47:44] Hey, let me just tell you. [47:44] No, no, no. [47:45] I'm Mr. President. [47:46] Three and a half million, Joe. [47:48] That is simply not true. [47:49] Why did he deserve three and a half million from Moscow? [47:51] Look, here's the deal. [47:53] We want to talk about families and ethics. [47:56] I don't want to do that. [47:57] I mean, his family, we could talk about all night. [48:00] His family's already. [48:01] My family lost a fortune by coming down and helping us with governance. [48:06] And that's such a great, every single one of them lost a fortune. [48:09] This is not about my family or his family. [48:11] It's about your family, the American people. [48:14] One and a half million dollars. [48:14] He doesn't. [48:15] That's not true. [48:16] It doesn't want to talk about what you need. [48:20] You, the American people. [48:22] It's about you. [48:23] That's what we're talking about here. [48:24] All right. [48:25] That's the end of the segment. [48:26] We're moving on. [48:27] He didn't take them. [48:28] Vice President, no. [48:30] Can I be honest? [48:30] It's a very important question. [48:31] Try to be honest. [48:32] He stood up. [48:33] He stood up. [48:34] The answer to the question is no. [48:35] And he threatened Ukraine. [48:36] No. [48:37] Sir. [48:37] With a billion dollars. [48:38] If you don't get rid of us. [48:39] You know what? [48:40] Wait, stop. [48:41] You're going to have. [48:43] True. [48:43] Gentlemen, I hate to raise my voice, but it seems to be, why shouldn't I be different [48:49] than the two of you? [48:50] So here's the deal. [48:50] Good point. [48:51] We have six segments. [48:54] We have ended that segment. [48:55] We're going to go to the next segment. [48:57] In that segment, you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. [49:01] In those two uninterrupted minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want. [49:04] I'm going to ask a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. [49:08] But I think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak [49:15] with fewer interruptions. [49:16] I'm appealing to you, sir, to do that. [49:18] Well, and him, too. [49:19] Well, frankly, you've been doing more interrupting than he has. [49:22] That's all right, but he does plenty. [49:23] Well, less than, sir, less than. [49:25] He does plenty. [49:25] No, less than you have. [49:27] Let's please continue on. [49:29] The issue of race. [49:30] Vice President Biden, you say that President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville [49:36] three years ago, when he talked about very fine people on both sides, was what directly [49:43] led you to launch this run for president. [49:46] Oh, yeah, sure. [49:47] President Trump, you have often said that you believe you have done more for black [49:53] Americans than any president, with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln. [49:58] My question for the two of you is, why should voters trust you, rather than your opponent, [50:04] to deal with the race issues facing this country over the next four years? [50:08] Vice President Biden, you go first. [50:11] It's about equity and equality. [50:13] It's about decency. [50:14] It's about the Constitution. [50:17] And we have never walked away from trying to require equity for everyone, [50:22] equality for the whole of America. [50:24] But we've never accomplished it. [50:26] But we've never walked away from it like he has done. [50:29] It is true. [50:30] The reason I got in the race is when those people, close your eyes, remember what those [50:33] people look like coming out of the fields carrying torches, their veins bulging, spewing, [50:39] just spewing anti-Semitic bile, and accompanied by the Ku Klux Klan. [50:43] A young woman got killed. [50:45] And they asked the president what he thought. [50:46] He said there were very fine people on both sides. [50:49] No president has ever said anything like that. [50:52] Finish the statement. [50:53] It is who's who in it, sir. [50:55] Second point I'd make to you is that when Floyd was killed, when Mr. Floyd was killed, [51:01] there was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. [51:04] What did he do? [51:05] He came out of his bunker, had the military use tear gas on him so he could walk across [51:10] to a church and hold up a Bible. [51:13] And then what happened after that? [51:15] The bishop of that very church said that it was a disgrace. [51:18] The general who was with him said all he ever wants to do is divide people, not unite people at all. [51:24] This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, [51:31] racist division. [51:32] This is a man who, in fact, you talk about helping African Americans. [51:36] One in 1,000 African Americans has been killed because of the coronavirus. [51:42] And if he doesn't do something quickly, by the end of the year, one in 500 will have been killed. [51:48] One in 500 African Americans. [51:50] This man, this man is the savior of African Americans. [51:54] This man cares at all. [51:57] This man's done virtually nothing. [51:59] Look, the fact is that you have to look at what he talks about. [52:03] You have to look at what he did. [52:04] And what he did has been disastrous for the African American community. [52:08] So, President Trump, you have two minutes. [52:11] Why should Americans trust you over your opponent to deal with racism? [52:16] He did a crime bill, 1994, where you called them super predators, African Americans, [52:22] the super predators. [52:23] And they've never forgotten it. [52:24] They've never forgotten it, Joe. [52:25] I've never said it. [52:26] No, no, sir. [52:26] It's his two minutes. [52:27] So you did that, and they call you a super predator. [52:29] And I'm letting people out of jail now that you have treated the African American population [52:35] community, you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. [52:40] You did the 1990s. [52:41] And that's why, if you look at the polls, I'm doing better than any Republican has done in [52:46] a long time, because they saw what you did. [52:48] You call them super predators, and you've called them worse than that, because you look back at [52:54] your testimony over the years, you've called them a lot worse than that. [52:56] As far as the church is concerned, and as far as the generals are concerned, we just got the [53:01] support of 250 military leaders and generals, total support. [53:06] Law enforcement, almost every law enforcement group in the United States. [53:11] I have Florida. [53:12] I have Texas. [53:13] I have Ohio. [53:15] I have every—excuse me, Portland. [53:17] The sheriff just came out today, and he said, I support President Trump. [53:21] I don't think you have any law enforcement. [53:23] You can't even say the word law enforcement, because if you say those words, you're going [53:27] to lose all of your radical left supporters. [53:29] And why aren't you saying those words, Joe? [53:31] Why don't you say the words law enforcement? [53:33] Because, you know what? [53:34] If they called us in Portland, we would put out that fire in a half an hour. [53:38] But they won't do it, because they're run by radical left Democrats. [53:42] If you look at Chicago, if you look at any place you want to look—Seattle. [53:46] They heard we were coming in the following day, and they put up their hands, and we got back [53:50] Seattle. [53:51] Minneapolis. [53:52] We got it back, Joe, because we believe in law and order. [53:55] But you don't. [53:56] The top ten cities in just about the top 40 cities are run by Democrats, and in many [54:02] cases, radical left. [54:04] And they've got you wrapped around their finger, Joe, to a point where you don't want [54:08] to say anything about law and order. [54:10] And I'll tell you what. [54:11] The people of this country want and demand law and order. [54:15] And you're afraid to even say it. [54:16] All right. [54:17] I want to—I want to return to the question of race. [54:20] Vice President Biden, after the grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case decided not to charge [54:26] any of the police with homicide, you said it raises the question, quote, [54:31] whether justice could be equally applied in America. [54:34] Do you believe that there is a separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in this country? [54:41] Yes, there is. [54:41] There's systemic injustice in this country in education and work and in law enforcement [54:49] and the way in which it's enforced. [54:51] But, look, the vast majority of police officers are good, decent, honorable men and women. [54:56] They risk their lives every day to take care of us. [54:58] But there are some bad apples. [55:00] And when they occur, when they find them, they have to be sorted out. [55:03] They have to be held accountable. [55:05] They have to be held accountable. [55:07] And what I'm going to do as president of the United States is call together an entire [55:12] group of people at the White House, everything from the civil rights groups to the police officers, [55:17] the police chiefs, and we're going to work this out. [55:20] We're going to work this out so we change the way in which we have more transparency [55:24] in when these things happen. [55:25] These cops aren't happy to see what happened to George Floyd. [55:29] These cops aren't happy to see what happened to Breonna Taylor. [55:33] Most don't like it. But we have to have a system where people are held accountable. [55:38] And, by the way, violence and response is never appropriate. [55:42] Never appropriate. [55:43] Peaceful protest is. [55:45] Violence is never appropriate. [55:46] All right. [55:46] What is peaceful protest? [55:48] When they run through the middle of the town and burn down your stores and kill [55:52] people all over the place? [55:53] That is not peaceful protest. [55:54] President Trump, I'm not asking. [55:56] But you say it is. [55:56] I do not say it. [55:57] President Trump, I'd like to continue with the issue of race. [55:59] I promise we're going to get to the issue of law and order in a moment. [56:02] All right. [56:03] This month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity [56:10] training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory. [56:15] Why did you decide to do that, to end racial sensitivity training? [56:19] And do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country, sir? [56:23] I ended it because it's racist. [56:25] I ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things that were [56:30] absolutely insane, that it was a radical revolution that was taking place in our military, [56:38] in our schools, all over the place. [56:40] And you know it, and so does everybody else. [56:43] What is radical about racial sensitivity training, sir? [56:47] If you were a certain person, you had no status in life. [56:51] It was sort of a reversal. [56:52] And if you look at the people, we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars [56:56] to teach very bad ideas and, frankly, very sick ideas. [57:00] And really, they were teaching people to hate our country. [57:04] And I'm not going to do that. [57:05] I'm not going to allow that to happen. [57:07] We have to go back to the core values of this country. [57:11] They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place. [57:14] It's a racist place. [57:16] And they were teaching people to hate our country. [57:18] And I'm not going to allow that to happen. [57:20] Vice President Biden? [57:21] Nobody's doing that. [57:22] He's just, he's the racist. [57:24] You just don't. [57:25] Here's the deal. [57:25] I know a lot more about this than he does. [57:27] Let him finish. [57:29] The fact is that there is racial insensitivity. [57:32] People have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what insults them, [57:39] what is demeaning to them. [57:41] It's important that people know they don't want to, [57:43] many people don't want to hurt other people's feelings. [57:45] But it makes a big difference. [57:48] It makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self-esteem. [57:53] It's a little bit like how this guy and his friends look down on so many people. [57:59] They look down their nose on people like Irish Catholics like me who grew up in Scranton. [58:03] They look down on people who don't have money. [58:05] They look down on people who are of a different faith. [58:08] They look down on people who are a different color. [58:11] In fact, we're all Americans. [58:12] The only way we're going to bring this country together is bring everybody together. [58:16] There's nothing we cannot do if we do it together. [58:20] We can take this on and we can defeat racism in America. [58:23] Vice President, I mean, President Trump, sir. [58:25] During the Obama-Biden administration, there was tremendous division. [58:30] There was hatred. [58:31] You look at Ferguson. [58:33] You look at, you go to very many places. [58:36] Look at Oakland. [58:36] Look what happened in Oakland. [58:38] Look what happened in Baltimore. [58:39] Look what happened. [58:40] Frankly, it was more violent than what I'm even seeing now. [58:42] Oh, my Lord. [58:43] But the reason is that the Democrats that run these cities don't want to talk like you about law and order. [58:50] Violent crime. [58:51] And you still haven't mentioned it. [58:52] Violent crime. [58:52] Are you in favor of law and order? [58:53] I'm in favor of law. [58:55] Are you in favor of law and order? [58:57] Yes, I'm in favor of law and order. [58:58] You ask a question. [58:59] Let him finish. [58:59] Law and order. [59:00] Let him answer. [59:02] Law and order with justice where people get treated fairly. [59:05] And the fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17 percent, 15 percent in our administration. [59:11] All right. [59:12] It's gone up on his watch. [59:13] Went down much more than ours. [59:15] All right. [59:15] We're down. [59:16] He is president of the United States of America. [59:18] Mr. President, you're going to be very happy because we're now going to talk about law and order. [59:23] Since we had trouble, we're Democratic-run cities. [59:26] That's exactly my question. [59:27] There has been a dramatic increase in homicides in America this summer particularly. [59:33] And you often blame that on Democratic mayors and Democratic governors. [59:36] But, in fact, there have been equivalent spikes in Republican-led cities like Tulsa and Fort Worth. [59:44] So the question is, is this really a party issue? [59:46] I think it's a party issue. [59:48] You can bring in a couple of examples. [59:50] But if you look at Chicago, what's going on in Chicago, where 53 people were shot and eight died, [59:56] shot. [59:57] If you look at New York, where it's going up like nobody's ever seen anything, [1:00:01] the numbers are going up 100, 150, 200 percent crime. [1:00:05] It is crazy what's going on. [1:00:07] And he doesn't want to say law and order because he can't, [1:00:10] because he'll lose his radical left supporters. [1:00:12] And once he does that, it's over with. [1:00:14] But if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he would want to run it, [1:00:19] we would have, our suburbs would be gone. [1:00:22] By the way, our suburbs would be gone. [1:00:24] And you would see problems like you've never seen before. [1:00:26] He would know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn. [1:00:29] Oh, I know suburbs. [1:00:29] He would not. [1:00:30] I was raised in the suburbs. [1:00:33] This is not 1950. [1:00:35] All these dog whistles and racism don't work anymore. [1:00:38] Suburbs are by and large integrated. [1:00:40] There's many people today driving their kids to soccer practice and or to black and white and [1:00:45] Hispanic in the same car as there have been any time in the past. [1:00:50] What's what really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with COVID. [1:00:55] They're dying in the suburbs. [1:00:56] His failure to deal with the environment. [1:00:58] They're being flooded. [1:00:59] They're being burned out because his refusal to do anything. [1:01:03] That's why the suburbs are in trouble. [1:01:04] I do want to talk about this issue of law and order, though. [1:01:07] And in the joint recommendation that came from the Biden-Bernie Sanders task force, [1:01:13] you talked about, quote, reimagining policing. [1:01:18] First of all, what does reimagining policing mean? [1:01:21] And do you support it? [1:01:22] It means let me if I might finish the question. [1:01:25] What does reimagining policing mean? [1:01:26] And do you support the Black Lives Matter [1:01:31] call for for community control of policing? [1:01:36] Look, what I support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face. [1:01:43] And I'm not totally opposed to defunding the police offices. [1:01:46] As a matter of fact, police local police, the only one defunding in his budget calls for [1:01:51] $400 million cut in local law enforcement assistance. [1:01:54] They need more assistance. [1:01:55] They need when they show up for a 911 call to have someone with them as a psychologist or psychiatrist [1:02:01] to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down. [1:02:05] We have to have community policing like we had before, [1:02:08] where the officers get to know the people in the communities. [1:02:11] That's when crime went down. [1:02:13] It didn't go up. [1:02:14] It went down. [1:02:15] And so we have to be engaged. [1:02:17] That's not what they're talking about, Chris. [1:02:18] That's not what they're talking about. [1:02:19] He's talking about defunding the police. [1:02:21] That is not true. [1:02:22] He doesn't have any law to support. [1:02:25] He has no law enforcement support. [1:02:27] That's not true. [1:02:27] Almost nothing. [1:02:28] That's not true. [1:02:29] Look, who do you have? [1:02:30] Name one group that supports you. [1:02:32] Name one group that came out and supported you. [1:02:34] I think, gentlemen, I think I'm going to take back the moderator's role, and I want to [1:02:47] get to another subject, which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent. [1:02:52] In Portland, Oregon especially, we had more than 100 straight days of protests, which I think you would [1:02:59] agree you talk about peaceful protests, many of those turned into riots. [1:03:03] Mr. Vice President, you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. [1:03:10] The question I have, though, is, as the Democratic nominee, and earlier tonight you said that you [1:03:14] are the Democratic Party right now, have you ever called the Democratic mayor of Portland or the [1:03:20] Democratic governor of Oregon and said, hey, you've got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, [1:03:26] do whatever it takes, but you'd stop the days and months of violence in Portland. [1:03:32] I don't hold public office now. [1:03:34] I am a former vice president. [1:03:36] I've made it clear. [1:03:38] I've made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. [1:03:42] It should be prosecuted. [1:03:43] And anyone who commits it should be prosecuted. [1:03:44] But you've never called for the people, the leader, excuse me, sir, [1:03:48] you have never called for the leaders in Portland and in Oregon to call it, bring in the National [1:03:54] Guard and knock off 100 days of riots. [1:03:57] They can, in fact, take care of it if he just stay out of the way. [1:04:00] Look here. [1:04:01] Oh, really? [1:04:02] Oh, really? [1:04:02] Here's the thing. [1:04:03] I sent in the U.S. Marshals to get the killer of the young man in the middle of the street, [1:04:08] and they shot him. [1:04:09] And for three days, Portland wouldn't do anything. [1:04:12] I had to send in the U.S. Marshals, they took care of business. [1:04:15] Go ahead, sir. [1:04:15] And by the way, you know, his own former spokesperson said, [1:04:19] you know, riots and chaos and violence help his cause. [1:04:23] That's what this is all about. [1:04:24] I don't know who said that. [1:04:25] I do. [1:04:26] Who? [1:04:26] Who? [1:04:27] I think Kellyanne Conway. [1:04:29] I don't think she said that. [1:04:30] She said that. [1:04:31] And so here's the thing. [1:04:32] All right. [1:04:32] Well, here's the point. [1:04:34] The point is that that's what he is, keeps trying to rile everything up. [1:04:38] He doesn't want to calm things down. [1:04:40] Instead of going in and talking to people and saying, let's get everybody together, [1:04:44] figure out how to deal with this. [1:04:46] What's he do? [1:04:47] He just pours gasoline in the fire, constantly, every single solitary time. [1:04:51] Okay, and to end this, button up this segment, [1:04:54] I'm going to give you a minute to answer, sir. [1:04:56] You have repeatedly criticized. [1:04:58] I have to answer his statement. [1:04:59] You have repeatedly. [1:05:00] Wait, just one second. [1:05:01] No, you've been talking back and forth. [1:05:02] You made a statement. [1:05:03] I'm asking you. [1:05:04] I would love to end it. [1:05:05] You know, sir. [1:05:05] I would love to end it. [1:05:06] You know, if you want to switch seats. [1:05:08] We would very quickly. [1:05:09] We could do that. [1:05:10] But send in the National Guard. [1:05:11] It would be over. [1:05:12] There'd be no problem. [1:05:12] Okay. [1:05:13] But they don't want to accept the National Guard. [1:05:15] You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa [1:05:21] and other left-wing extremist groups. [1:05:23] But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say [1:05:30] that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, [1:05:35] as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? [1:05:38] Sure, I'm willing to do that. [1:05:39] Are you prepared to specifically? [1:05:40] Do it. [1:05:41] Well, go ahead, sir. [1:05:41] I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. [1:05:46] So what are you saying? [1:05:48] I'm willing to do anything. [1:05:49] I want to see peace. [1:05:50] Well, then do it, sir. [1:05:51] Say it. [1:05:51] Do it. [1:05:51] Say it. [1:05:52] Do you want to call them? [1:05:54] What do you want to call them? [1:05:55] Give me a name. [1:05:55] Give me a name. [1:05:56] White supremacists and white supremacists. [1:05:57] Who would you like me to condemn? [1:05:58] White supremacists and white supremacists. [1:05:59] White supremacists and white supremacists. [1:05:59] Proud boys, stand back and stand by. [1:06:02] But I'll tell you what. [1:06:03] I'll tell you what. [1:06:04] Somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing [1:06:09] problem. [1:06:09] His own FBI director said. [1:06:11] This is a left-wing problem. [1:06:13] I'm going to go ahead with white supremacists. [1:06:15] Antifa is an idea, not an organization. [1:06:17] Oh, you got to be kidding. [1:06:18] Not militia. [1:06:18] That's what his FBI, his FBI director said. [1:06:22] Well, then you know what? [1:06:23] He's wrong. [1:06:24] No, no. [1:06:24] We're done, sir. [1:06:25] We're moving on to the next. [1:06:26] Everybody who gives you advice in your administration. [1:06:28] That's not an idea. [1:06:29] Antifa is bad. [1:06:29] Everybody in your administration tells you the truth is a bad idea. [1:06:33] Can I tell you what? [1:06:33] You have no ideas that are bad. [1:06:35] Antifa is a dangerous radical group. [1:06:37] All right, gentlemen, we're now moving on to the Trump and Biden records. [1:06:40] And you ought to be careful with them. [1:06:40] They'll overthrow you in two seconds. [1:06:41] When a president... [1:06:42] I'm going to ask a question. [1:06:44] When the president seeks a second term, it is generally a referendum on his record. [1:06:50] But, Vice President Biden, you like to quote one of your dad's sayings, which is, [1:06:54] don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. [1:06:58] And in this case, sir, you are the alternative. [1:07:01] Looking at both of your records, I'm going to ask each of you, [1:07:05] why should voters elect you president over your opponent? [1:07:09] In this segment, President Trump, you go first, two minutes. [1:07:12] Because there has never been an administration or president [1:07:17] who has done more than I've done in a period of three and a half years. [1:07:21] And that's despite the impeachment hoax. [1:07:24] And you saw what happened today with Hillary Clinton, where it was a whole big con job. [1:07:28] But despite going through all of these things, where I had to fight [1:07:31] both flanks and behind me and above, there has never been an administration [1:07:36] that's done what I've done. [1:07:38] The greatest, before COVID came in, the greatest economy in history, [1:07:41] lowest unemployment numbers. [1:07:43] Everything was good. [1:07:44] Everything was going. [1:07:45] And by the way, there was unity going to happen. [1:07:48] People were calling me for the first time in years. [1:07:50] They were calling and they were saying, it's time, maybe. [1:07:53] And then what happened? [1:07:54] We got hit, but now we're building it back up again. [1:07:56] A rebuilding of the military, including Space Force and all of the other things. [1:08:00] A fixing of the VA, which was a mess under him. [1:08:05] 308,000 people died because they didn't have proper health care. [1:08:09] It was a mess. [1:08:10] And we now got a 91 percent approval rating at the VA, our vets. [1:08:14] We take care of our vets. [1:08:16] But we've rebuilt our military. [1:08:18] The job that we've done – and I'll tell you something. [1:08:20] Some people say maybe the most important. [1:08:22] By the end of the first term, I'll have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges. [1:08:29] 300 and hopefully three great Supreme Court judges, justices. [1:08:34] That is a record, the likes of which very few people. [1:08:38] And you know one of the reasons I'll have so many judges? [1:08:41] Because President Obama and him left me 128 judges to fill. [1:08:47] When you leave office, you don't leave any judges. [1:08:49] That's like you just don't do that. [1:08:51] They left 128 openings. [1:08:54] And if I were a member of his party, because they have a little different philosophy, [1:08:58] I'd say if you left us 128 openings, you can't be a good president. [1:09:05] You can't be a good vice president. [1:09:07] But I want to thank you, because it gives us almost – [1:09:09] it will probably be above that number by the end of this term. [1:09:12] I'm sorry. [1:09:13] 300 judges, it's a record. [1:09:16] Looking at both of your records, why should voters elect you president [1:09:20] as opposed to President Trump? [1:09:22] You have two minutes uninterrupted. [1:09:24] Under this president, we've become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided, and more violent. [1:09:31] When I was vice president, we inherited a recession. [1:09:36] I was asked to fix it. [1:09:37] I did. [1:09:37] We left him a booming economy, and he caused the recession. [1:09:42] With regard to being weaker, the fact is that I've gone head-to-head with Putin [1:09:47] and made it clear to him we're not going to take any of his stuff. [1:09:50] He's Putin's puppy. [1:09:51] He still refuses to even say anything to Putin about [1:09:54] the bounty on the heads of American soldiers. [1:09:56] Your son got $3.5 million. [1:09:59] And by the way, my son – [1:10:00] Wait a minute. [1:10:01] Mr. President, your campaign agreed to – [1:10:04] both sides would get two-minute answers uninterrupted. [1:10:08] Well, your side agreed to it. [1:10:10] And why don't you observe what your campaign agreed to as a ground rule? [1:10:14] Okay, sir? [1:10:14] He never keeps his word. [1:10:15] Can you add back – [1:10:16] No, no, no. [1:10:17] I'm not – [1:10:17] That was a rhetorical question. [1:10:19] Can you add back 30 seconds? [1:10:20] Yes, you may have. [1:10:22] All right. [1:10:22] Go ahead. [1:10:23] So, thirdly, we're poor. [1:10:26] The billionaires have gotten much more wealthy, [1:10:29] by a tune of over $300 to $400 billion more just since COVID. [1:10:34] You in the home, you got less. [1:10:37] You're in more trouble than you were before. [1:10:39] In terms of being more violent, when we were in office, there were 15 percent less [1:10:45] violence in America than there is today. [1:10:47] He's President of the United States. [1:10:49] It's on his watch. [1:10:51] And with regard to more divided, the nation can't stay divided. [1:10:55] We can't be this way. [1:10:56] And speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, [1:11:00] the way you talk about them being losers and being – and just being suckers. [1:11:05] My son was in Iraq. [1:11:08] He spent a year there. [1:11:10] He got the – he got the Bronze Star. [1:11:12] He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. [1:11:14] He was not a loser. [1:11:16] He was a patriot. [1:11:18] And the people left behind there were heroes. [1:11:21] Really? [1:11:21] And I resent like hell. [1:11:22] Are you talking about Hunter? [1:11:23] Are you talking about Hunter? [1:11:23] I'm talking about my son, Bo Biden. [1:11:25] You're talking about – [1:11:26] I don't know. [1:11:26] I don't know Bo. [1:11:27] I know Hunter. [1:11:27] Hunter got thrown – Hunter got thrown out of the military. [1:11:31] He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged – [1:11:33] That's not true. [1:11:34] He wasn't dishonorably. [1:11:35] – for cocaine use. [1:11:35] And he didn't have a job until you became Vice President. [1:11:38] Once you became Vice President – [1:11:39] None of that is true. [1:11:40] – he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow – [1:11:43] That is simply not true. [1:11:44] – and various other places. [1:11:45] – Not true. [1:11:46] He made a fortune. [1:11:47] My son – my son – [1:11:48] – and he didn't have a job. [1:11:49] My son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people you know at home, [1:11:53] had a drug problem. [1:11:54] He's overtaken it. [1:11:55] He's – he's – he's fixed it. [1:11:57] He's worked on it. [1:11:58] And I'm proud of him. [1:11:59] I'm proud of my son. [1:12:00] – But why was he given tens of millions of dollars? [1:12:01] – All right. [1:12:01] – But he wasn't given tens of millions of dollars. [1:12:02] – All right. [1:12:03] – He was given tens of millions of dollars. [1:12:04] – That is totally – [1:12:04] – President Trump – [1:12:04] – President Trump, you've already – [1:12:06] – we've already been through – [1:12:07] – We've already – [1:12:08] – totally discredited. [1:12:09] – We've both – [1:12:09] We've already been through this. [1:12:10] I think the American people would rather hear about more substantial – [1:12:13] – So do I. [1:12:14] – Subjections. [1:12:14] Well, you know, as the moderator, sir, I'm going to make a – [1:12:17] – I know, but when somebody gets three and a half [1:12:19] million dollars from the mayor of Moscow – [1:12:20] – Okay, right. [1:12:20] – The mayor of Moscow – [1:12:21] – Let's talk about – [1:12:22] – That is not true. [1:12:22] – I think it's a terrible thing. [1:12:23] – That report is totally discredited. [1:12:24] – Why did he get it? [1:12:25] – I think – [1:12:26] – Mitt Romney on that committee said it wasn't worth taxpayers' money, [1:12:29] that report. [1:12:29] It was written for political reasons. [1:12:31] – You know, I'd like to talk about climate change. [1:12:33] – So would I. [1:12:34] – Okay. [1:12:35] The forest fires in the West are raging now. [1:12:38] They have burned millions of acres. [1:12:40] They have displaced hundreds of thousands of people. [1:12:44] When state officials there blamed the fires on climate change, [1:12:47] Mr. President, you said, [1:12:49] I don't think the science knows. [1:12:51] Over your four years, you have pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord. [1:12:57] You have rolled back a number of Obama environmental records. [1:13:01] What do you believe about the science of climate change? [1:13:05] And what will you do in the next four years to confront it? [1:13:09] – I want crystal clean water and air. [1:13:12] I want beautiful clean air. [1:13:13] We have now the lowest carbon. [1:13:15] If you look at our numbers right now, [1:13:17] we are doing phenomenally. [1:13:20] But I haven't destroyed our businesses. [1:13:22] Our businesses aren't put out of commission. [1:13:25] If you look at the Paris Accord, it was a disaster from our standpoint. [1:13:29] And people are actually very happy about what's going on, [1:13:32] because our businesses are doing well. [1:13:34] As far as the fires are concerned, you need forest management. [1:13:37] In addition to everything else, the forest floors are loaded up with trees, [1:13:41] dead trees that are years old, and they're like tinder, and leaves and everything else. [1:13:46] You drop a cigarette in there, the whole forest burns down. [1:13:49] You've got to have forest management. [1:13:50] You've got to have cuts. [1:13:51] – What do you believe about the science of climate change, sir? [1:13:54] – I believe that we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air, [1:13:59] immaculate water, and do whatever else we can that's good. [1:14:02] You know, we're planting a billion trees, the Billion Tree Project, [1:14:06] and it's very exciting for a lot of people. [1:14:07] – Do you believe that human pollution, [1:14:10] greenhouse gas emissions, contributes to the global warming of this planet? [1:14:14] – I think a lot of things do, but I think to an extent, yes. [1:14:16] I think to an extent, yes. [1:14:17] But I also think we have to do better management of our forests every year. [1:14:22] I get the call, California's burning, California's burning. [1:14:26] If that was cleaned, if that were – if you had forest management, good forest management, [1:14:32] you wouldn't be getting those calls. [1:14:34] You know, in Europe, they live their forest cities. [1:14:36] They're called forest cities. [1:14:38] They maintain their forests. [1:14:39] They manage their forests. [1:14:41] I was with the head of a major country. [1:14:44] It's a forest city. [1:14:45] He said, sir, we have trees that are far more – they ignite much easier than California. [1:14:52] There shouldn't be that problem. [1:14:53] I spoke with the governor about it. [1:14:54] I'm getting along very well with the governor. [1:14:56] But I said, you know, at some point, you can't every year have [1:15:00] hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burned to the ground. [1:15:04] That's burning down because of a lack of – [1:15:06] But, sir, if you believe in the science of climate change, [1:15:09] why have you rolled back the Obama Clean Power Plan, [1:15:13] which limited carbon emissions in power plants? [1:15:16] Why have you relaxed – [1:15:17] Because it was driving energy prices through the sky. [1:15:20] Why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that are going to create [1:15:24] more pollution from cars and trucks? [1:15:26] Well, not really, because what's happening is the car is much less expensive, [1:15:29] and it's a much safer car. [1:15:31] And you're talking about a tiny difference. [1:15:33] And then what would happen, because of the cost of the car, [1:15:36] you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased. [1:15:40] We have the old slugs out there that are 10, 12 years old. [1:15:43] If you did that, the car would be safer. [1:15:45] It would be much cheaper by $3,500. [1:15:47] In the case of California, they've simply ignored your wrong path. [1:15:49] No, but you would take a lot of cars off the market, [1:15:51] because people would be able to afford a car. [1:15:54] Now, so – and by the way, we're going to see how that turns out. [1:15:57] But a lot of people agree with me, many people. [1:15:59] The car has gotten so expensive, because they have computers all over the place [1:16:04] for an extra little bit of gasoline. [1:16:06] And I'm okay with electric cars, too. [1:16:09] I think I'm all for electric cars. [1:16:11] I've given big incentives for electric cars. [1:16:13] But what they've done in California is just crazy. [1:16:15] Vice President Biden, I'd like you to respond to the president's climate change record. [1:16:22] But I also want to ask you about a concern. [1:16:24] You proposed $2 trillion in green jobs. [1:16:27] You talk about new limits, not abolishing, but new limits on fracking, [1:16:32] ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035, [1:16:36] and zero net emission of greenhouse gases by 2050. [1:16:40] The president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs. [1:16:45] He's absolutely wrong, number one. [1:16:47] Number two, if, in fact, when – during our administration, the Recovery Act, [1:16:52] I was able to – I was in charge, able to bring down the cost of renewable energy [1:16:56] to cheaper than or as cheap as coal and gas and oil. [1:17:01] Nobody is going to build another coal-fired plant in America. [1:17:06] No one is going to build another oil-fired plant in America. [1:17:08] They're going to move to renewable energy, number one. [1:17:11] Number two, we're going to make sure that we are able to take the federal fleet and turn [1:17:16] it into a fleet that's run on their electric vehicles, making sure that we can do that. [1:17:20] We're going to put 500,000 charging stations and all of the highways that we're going to [1:17:25] be building in the future. We're going to build an economy that, in fact, is going to provide for [1:17:31] the ability of us to take four million buildings and make sure that they, in fact, are weatherized [1:17:37] in a way that, in fact, they'll emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. [1:17:44] There are so many things that we can do now to create thousands and thousands of jobs. [1:17:49] We can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035, not only not costing people jobs, [1:17:58] creating jobs, creating millions of good-paying jobs, not 15 bucks an hour, but prevailing wage [1:18:06] by having a new infrastructure that, in fact, is green. And the first thing I will do, I will rejoin [1:18:12] the Paris Accord. I will join the Paris Accord because with us out of it, look what's happening. [1:18:16] It's all falling apart. And talk about someone who has no relationship with foreign policy. [1:18:24] Brazil, the rainforest of Brazil are being torn down, are being ripped down. More, [1:18:29] more carbon is absorbed in that rainforest than every bit of carbon that's emitted in the United [1:18:34] States. Instead of doing something about that, I would be gathering up and making sure we had [1:18:39] the countries of the world coming up with $20 billion and say, here's $20 billion. Stop, [1:18:44] stop tearing down the forest. And if you don't, then you're going to have significant economic [1:18:52] consequences. [1:18:52] What about the argument that President Trump basically says that you have to balance [1:18:58] environmental interests and economic interests? And he's drawn his line. [1:19:02] Well, he hadn't drawn a line. He still, for example, makes sure that we, [1:19:06] he wants to make sure that methane is not a problem. We can, you can now emit more methane [1:19:10] without it being a problem. Methane. This is a guy who says that you don't have to [1:19:15] have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. This is a guy who says that, well, [1:19:20] the fact that it's, it's all true. And here's the deal. [1:19:23] You're talking about the Green New Deal. And it's not $2 billion or $20 billion, [1:19:27] as you said. I'm, it's $100 trillion. [1:19:30] I'm talking about. [1:19:31] Where they want to rip down buildings and rebuild the building. It's the dumbest, [1:19:36] most ridiculous, where airplanes are out of business, where two car systems are out, [1:19:41] where they want to take out the cows too. You know, that's not true either, right? [1:19:45] Not true. [1:19:45] This is a, this is a $100 trillion. That's more money than our country could make [1:19:51] in a hundred years. [1:19:52] It's simply not the case. [1:19:54] All right, let me, let me, let me, let me, because, because I actually, wait a minute, [1:19:57] sir, I actually have studied your plan and it includes upgrading four million buildings, [1:20:02] weatherizing two million homes over four years, building one and a half million energy efficient [1:20:09] homes. So the question becomes some, the president is saying, I think some people who support the [1:20:15] president would say that sounds like it's going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. [1:20:19] What it's going to do, it's going to create thousands and millions of jobs, good paying jobs. [1:20:24] But let him finish, sir. [1:20:25] He doesn't know how to do that. [1:20:26] A hundred million dollars. [1:20:28] The fact is, it's going to create millions of good paying jobs and these tax incentives to people, [1:20:33] for people to weatherize, which he wants to get, get rid of. It's going to make the economy much [1:20:38] safer. Look how much we're paying now to deal with the hurricanes, with deal with, by the way, [1:20:42] he has an answer for hurricanes. He said, maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them. They may. [1:20:46] I never said that. [1:20:47] That's what he did say. [1:20:48] You made it up. [1:20:49] Uh, and here's the deal. [1:20:50] You make up a lot of things. [1:20:52] We're going to be in a position where we can create hard, hard, good jobs by making sure the [1:20:59] environment is clean and we all are in better shape. We spend billions of dollars now, [1:21:05] billions of dollars on floods, hurricanes, rising seas. We're in real trouble. Look what's happened [1:21:12] just in the Midwest with these storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties in [1:21:17] Iowa. They didn't happen before. They're because of global warming. We make up 15 percent of the [1:21:24] world's problem. We, in fact, but the rest of the world, we've got to get them to come along. That's [1:21:29] why we have to get back into, back into the Paris Accord. [1:21:33] All right, gentlemen. [1:21:34] Wait a minute, Chris. So why didn't he do it for 47 years? You were vice president. [1:21:38] Why didn't you get the world? China sends up real dirt into the air. Russia does. India does. [1:21:43] They all do. We're supposed to be good. And by the way, he made a couple of statements. The Green New [1:21:48] Deal is $100 trillion, not $20 billion. That is not my plan. The Green New Deal is not my plan. [1:21:55] I want to rebuild everything. If he knew anything about it, gentlemen. [1:21:58] He made a statement about the military. He said I said something about the military. [1:22:02] He and his friends made it up and then they went with it. I never said it. [1:22:05] OK, sir, you're done in this segment. He called the military, Mr. [1:22:09] Vice President. Stupid bastards. And he said it on tape. He said, [1:22:13] stupid bastards. He said it. Please, sir, stop. I would never say that to the military. [1:22:17] I would play it. Play it. [1:22:18] Go ahead. Mr. Vice President answered his final question. [1:22:23] The final question is, I can't remember which of all is ranty. [1:22:27] I'm having a little trouble myself. And about the economy and about this question of what it's going to cost. [1:22:34] The economy. I mean, the Green New Deal and the idea of what your environmental changes will do. [1:22:39] The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward. [1:22:43] We're not going to build plants that, in fact, are great polluting plants. [1:22:47] Could you support the Green New Deal? [1:22:49] Pardon me? You support? [1:22:50] No, I don't support the Green New Deal. [1:22:52] Oh, you don't. Oh, well, that's a big statement. [1:22:54] I support the Biden. [1:22:55] That means you just missed the radical left. [1:22:56] I support the Biden plan that I put forward. [1:23:01] OK. [1:23:01] The Biden plan, which is different than what he calls the radical Green New Deal. [1:23:06] All right, gentlemen, final segment, election integrity. [1:23:10] As we meet tonight, millions of Americans are receiving mail-in ballots or going to vote early. [1:23:17] How confident should we be that this will be a fair election? [1:23:22] And what are you prepared to do over the next five-plus weeks, because it will not only be to Election Day, [1:23:28] but also counting some ballots, mail-in ballots after Election Day? [1:23:33] What are you prepared to do to reassure the American people that the next president [1:23:38] will be the legitimate winner of this election? [1:23:42] In this final segment, Mr. Vice President, you go first. [1:23:44] Prepare to let people vote. They should go to IWillVote.com. [1:23:48] Decide how they're going to vote, when they're going to vote, and what means by which they're going to vote. [1:23:52] His own Homeland Security director, as well as the FBI director, [1:23:56] says there is no evidence at all that mail-in ballots are a source of being manipulated and cheating. [1:24:03] They said that. [1:24:04] The fact is that there are going to be millions of people because of COVID [1:24:07] that are going to be voting by mail-in ballots, like he does, by the way. [1:24:10] He sits behind the Resolute desk and sends his ballot to Florida, number one. [1:24:14] Number two, we're going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote [1:24:20] because enough poll watchers are there to make sure they can socially distance. [1:24:24] The polls are open on time, and the polls stay open until the votes are counted. [1:24:28] And this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he's trying to [1:24:34] scare people into thinking that it's not going to be legitimate. [1:24:38] Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. [1:24:42] Vote, vote, vote. If you're able to vote early in your state, vote early. [1:24:46] If you're able to vote in person, vote in person. Vote whatever way is the best way for you, [1:24:52] because you will. He cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. [1:24:58] And in terms of whether or not when the votes are counted and they're all counted, [1:25:01] that will be accepted. If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that will be accepted. [1:25:06] But by the way, if in fact he says he's not sure what he's going to accept, well, let me tell you [1:25:11] something. It doesn't matter because if we get the votes, it's going to be all over. He's going to go. [1:25:16] He can't stay in power. It won't happen. It won't happen. So vote. Just make sure you understand you [1:25:24] have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. [1:25:29] Is it going to change or you can get four more years of these lies? [1:25:32] DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States": Mr. President, two minutes. [1:25:35] DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States": So, when I listen to Joe talking about a transition, [1:25:40] there's been no transition from when I won. I won that election. [1:25:43] And if you look at crooked Hillary Clinton, if you look at all of the different people, [1:25:48] there was no transition, because they came after me trying to do a coup. [1:25:52] They came after me spying on my campaign. They started from the day I won and even before I won, [1:25:57] from the day I came down the escalator with our First Lady. They were a disaster. [1:26:02] They were a disgrace to our country. And we've caught them. [1:26:05] We've caught them all. We've got it all on tape. We've caught them all. [1:26:08] And, by the way, you gave the idea for the Logan Act against General Flynn. [1:26:11] You better take a look at that, because we caught you, in a sense. [1:26:14] And President Obama was sitting in the office. He knew about it, too. [1:26:17] So don't tell me about a free transition. As far as the ballots are concerned, it's a disaster. [1:26:23] A solicited ballot, OK, solicited, is OK. You're soliciting. You're asking. [1:26:30] They send it back. You send it back. I did that. If you have an unsolicited... [1:26:34] They're sending millions of ballots all over the country. There's fraud. [1:26:38] They found them in creeks. They found some with the name Trump. Just happened to have the name [1:26:42] Trump just the other day in a waste paper basket. They're being sent all over the place. [1:26:47] They sent two in a Democrat area. They sent out 1,000 ballots. Everybody got two ballots. [1:26:52] This is going to be a fraud like you've never seen. The other thing, [1:26:56] it's nice. On November 3rd, you're watching, and you see who won the election. [1:27:00] And I think we're going to do well, because people are really happy with the job we've done. [1:27:04] But you know what? We won't know. We might not know for months. [1:27:07] Because these ballots are going to be all over. Take a look at what happened in Manhattan. [1:27:11] Take a look at what happened in New Jersey. Take a look at what happened in Virginia and other places. [1:27:16] They're not losing 2 percent, 1 percent, which, by the way, is too much. [1:27:19] An election could be won or lost with that. They're losing 30 and 40 percent. It's a fraud, [1:27:25] and it's a shame. And can you imagine where they say, [1:27:28] you have to have your ballot in by November 10th? November 10th. [1:27:33] That means that's seven days after the election, in theory, should have been announced. [1:27:38] OK. [1:27:38] We have major states with that, all run by Democrats. [1:27:41] Two minutes is two minutes. [1:27:42] All run by Democrats. [1:27:43] It's a rigged election. [1:27:44] President Trump, you're going to be able to continue. [1:27:47] You have been charging for months that mail-in balloting is going to be a disaster. [1:27:52] You say it's rigged, that it's going to lead to fraud. [1:27:55] But in 2018, in the last midterm election, 31 million people voted mail-in voting. [1:28:02] That was a quarter, more than a quarter, of all the voters that year cast their ballots by mail. [1:28:08] Now that millions of mail-in ballots have gone out, what are you going to do about it? [1:28:14] And are you counting on the Supreme Court, including a Justice Barrett, to settle any dispute? [1:28:20] Yeah, I think I'm counting on them to look at the ballots, definitely. [1:28:23] I hope we don't need them, in terms of the election itself. [1:28:27] But for the ballots, I think so. [1:28:29] Because what's happening is incredible. [1:28:31] I just heard, I read today, where at least one percent of the ballots for 2016 were invalidated. [1:28:38] They take them, we don't like them, we don't like them. [1:28:41] But what are you going to do about it? If there are millions of ballots going out right now, what are you going to do? [1:28:44] What you do is you go and vote. You do a solicited ballot, and that's okay, or you go and vote. [1:28:48] I'm asking you about the fact that millions of people have received... [1:28:50] You go and vote. You go and vote. [1:28:52] No, but what I'm saying is, what are you going to do about the fact that millions of people... [1:28:56] You either do, Chris, a solicited ballot, where you're sending it in, they're sending it back, [1:29:00] and you're sending... They have mailmen with lots of... Did you see what's going on? [1:29:04] Take a look at West Virginia, mailmen selling the ballots. [1:29:07] They're being sold. They're being dumped in rivers. This is a horrible thing for our country. [1:29:12] There is no... [1:29:12] This is not... [1:29:13] There is no evidence of that. [1:29:14] This is not going to end well. [1:29:16] There is no evidence of that. [1:29:17] This is not going to end well. [1:29:18] Vice President Biden, five states have had mail-in ballots for the last decade or more, [1:29:24] five, including two Republican states, and you don't have to solicit the ballot. [1:29:28] It's sent to you. It's sent to your home. [1:29:31] What we're saying is, they're saying is that it has to be a postmark by the time, by Election Day. [1:29:37] If it doesn't get in until the 7th, 8th, 9th, it still should be counted. [1:29:42] He's just afraid of counting the votes because... [1:29:44] You're wrong. You're wrong. [1:29:46] I want to continue with you on this, Vice President Biden... [1:29:49] Chris, he's so wrong when he makes a statement like that. [1:29:51] No, excuse me. Vice President Biden, the biggest problem, in fact, over the years, [1:29:56] with mail-in voting, has not been fraud, historically. It has been that sizable number, [1:30:02] sometimes hundreds of thousands of ballots are thrown out because they have not been properly [1:30:07] filled out, or there is some other irregularity, or they missed the deadline. [1:30:11] So the question I have is, are you concerned that the Supreme Court, with a Justice Barrett, [1:30:16] will settle any dispute? [1:30:18] I am concerned that any court would settle this, because here's the deal. [1:30:22] When you file, when you get a ballot, and you fill it out, you're supposed to have an affidavit. [1:30:28] If you didn't know, you have someone say that this is me. You should be able to, [1:30:33] if, in fact, you can verify that's you before the ballot is thrown out, [1:30:37] that's sufficient to be able to count the ballot because someone made a mistake and not [1:30:43] dotting the correct I. Who they voted for, testify, say who they voted for, [1:30:48] say it's you, that is totally legitimate. All right. [1:30:51] Excuse me, no, no, no, I have a final, I have a final, I have a final, I have a final, [1:30:54] I have a final question. Senate is swamping the system. [1:30:56] You, you, you, you know it can't be done, you know it can't, and already there's been fraud. [1:31:00] All right, so now, mail service delivers 185 million pieces of mail a day. [1:31:05] In eight states, we can keep talking. In eight states, election workers are prohibited, [1:31:11] currently by law, eight states, from even beginning to process ballots, [1:31:16] even take them out of the envelopes and flatten them until election day. [1:31:20] That means that it's likely, because there's going to be a huge increase in mail-in balloting, [1:31:26] that we are not going to know on election night who the winner is, that it could be days, [1:31:30] it could be weeks. It could be months. [1:31:32] Until we find out who the, the, the new president is. So I, first for you, sir, [1:31:37] finally for the, for the vice president, I hope neither of you will interrupt the other. [1:31:41] Will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil [1:31:49] unrest? And will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been [1:31:55] independently certified? President Trump, you go first. [1:31:58] I'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that's what has to [1:32:04] happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today, there was a big problem. In Philadelphia, [1:32:10] they went in to watch. They were, they're called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing. [1:32:14] They were thrown out. They weren't allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen [1:32:19] in Philadelphia, bad things. And I am urging, I am urging my people. I hope it's going to be a fair [1:32:25] election. If it's a fair election, I am a hundred percent on board. But if I see tens of thousands of [1:32:31] ballots being manipulated, I can't go along with that. And I'll tell you what, from a common sense, [1:32:36] does that mean you're going to tell your people to take to the street? It means you have a fraudulent [1:32:39] election. You're sending out 80 million ballots. They're not equipped. These people aren't equipped [1:32:45] to handle it. Number one. Number two, they cheat. They cheat. Hey, they found ballots in a waste paper [1:32:52] basket three days ago, and they all had the name military ballots. They were military. They all had [1:32:57] the name Trump on them. Vice President Biden, final question for you. Will you urge your supporters to [1:33:04] stay calm while the vote is counted? And will you pledge not to declare victory until the election [1:33:10] is independently certified? Yes. And here's the deal. We count the ballots. As you pointed out, [1:33:16] some of these ballots in some states can't even be opened until election day. And if there's thousands [1:33:22] of ballots, it's going to take time to do it. And by the way, our military, they've been voting by [1:33:27] ballots for the end of the Civil War, in effect. And that's what's going to happen. Why was it not [1:33:34] fraudulent? Why is it for them somehow not fraudulent? It's the same process. It's honest. [1:33:40] No one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail-in ballots, that somehow it's a [1:33:48] fraudulent process. It's already been established. Take a look at Carolyn Maloney's race. [1:33:52] I asked you. You had an opportunity to respond. Look at Carolyn Maloney. Go ahead. [1:33:55] They have no idea what happened. Vice President Biden, go ahead. [1:33:57] He has no idea what he's talking about. Here's the deal. The fact is, I will accept it, [1:34:01] and he will too. You know why? Because once the winner is declared after all the ballots are [1:34:07] counted, all the votes are counted, that'll be the end of it. That'll be the end of it. [1:34:12] And if it's me, in fact, fine. If it's not me, I'll support the outcome. And I'll be a president, [1:34:18] not just for the Democrats, I'll be a president for Democrats and Republicans. And this guy, [1:34:23] I want to see an honest ballot count. Gentlemen, you say that's the end of it? [1:34:27] This is the end of this debate? I want to see an honest ballot count. [1:34:30] We're going to leave it there. And I think he does, too. [1:34:32] To be continued in more debates as we go on. President Trump, Vice President Biden, [1:34:39] it's been an interesting hour and a half. I want to thank you both for participating in the first of [1:34:44] three debates that you have agreed to engage in. We want to thank Case Western Reserve University [1:34:49] and the Cleveland Clinic for hosting this event. The next debate, sponsored by the Commission on [1:34:54] Presidential Debates, will be one week from tomorrow, October 7th, at the University of Utah [1:35:00] in Salt Lake City. The two vice presidential nominees, Vice President Mike Pence and Senator Kamala Harris, [1:35:05] will debate at 9 p.m. Eastern that night. We hope you watch. Until then, thank you and good night. [1:35:11] Thank you.