Toy Geeks! Interview Scott Neitlich aka ToyGuru! MOTU Classics, Ghostbusters Origins and more!

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: today on toy geeks we're going to interview the legendary scott toy guru nightlick the creative force behind matty collector.com masters of the universe classics and so much more so sit back relax and enjoy the show hi everybody and welcome to toy geeks my name is jay and with me as always is john john how you doing today i'm doing fantastic it's a big night it's a big night for toy geeks we are super excited because uh we have our first ever special guest on the show uh this is episode 16 of toy geeks and uh uh we have you know somebody you know we're chatting with him before he's in the our green room right now with him before and it's like you know i i've gone to comic-con for 16 17 years and i feel like i've i've been observing and appreciating his work for so long but it's really cool uh to be able to actually like talk to him in person uh and uh really excited to have him on the show today which will be happening very shortly but before we get into that uh if you haven't checked it out yet john and i last week we recapped uh day one and day two of polls con so definitely check that out if you haven't already uh and this week on the geek dead life channel new episode reviewed that spanglers uh new toronto one uh hasbro getting into the prop ghostbuster prop game uh even though uh scott uh brought us our first ghostbuster props uh over at maddie collector but still really excited uh for tonight uh as always we've got the chat live and uh again you know once we kind of bring uh scott on we'll we'll have moments throughout the show uh we'll be able to plus in your questions if you have any pd devs is in the house hello pd dub he found the second wave of retro joe's and the retro striker did they oh i striker did i know the the [00:02:02] Speaker 2: aw striker ah yes yes i've yet to see any of those i saw one random snake eyes hanging out at walmart me too that was it i passed me too [00:02:18] Speaker 1: let's see giraffe manger ruled let's uh do this more ghostbusters can i get a hell yeah hey listen you know drafting i'm always down i'm always down for more ghostbusters um all right well uh let's not waste any time here uh really excited uh oh it's monday morning here where you at coming from 10 23 tool uh but uh so we have scott toygu knight look on the show today um really it would be one thing to be like the creative force behind like one classic uh toy but just you know when i was making the artwork for uh this episode you know like uh like you run out of space right i could like there was more i could have put on there um so you know ghostbusters masters of the universe justice league of lemon like just the the list goes on and on and on and uh recently he has uh created his own youtube channel uh specter creative um where he does just this really cool breakdown of just toy industry insider like knowledge and it's great because you know if you just kind of want to know why things are the way they are like when you and i complain about stuff like why is nice enough on those shelves um he does a really good job kind of breaking it down and why it is the way it is uh so before i bring him i did want to play a little clip uh from his channel and uh let's [00:03:40] Speaker 3: let that clip take it away collector audiences were known they were out there in 1999 uh ish they put out a anniversary wave of the old figures in vintage recreations basically at toys r us but this was a chance to reinvent he-man to make him brand new for a brand new generation because if kids could get into he-man and the masters of the universe then this brand could be a billion dollar brand again [00:04:09] Speaker 1: all right well without any further ado let's bring him on scott's toy guru nightwick scott welcome never never never never look into the neutron stream yeah don't make neutrino wands it's it's uh awesome well uh scott thank you for coming on to the show uh you know as as far as uh you know people that we could geek out about toys with i mean one what's so cool about you know your contributions to toy collecting is you know you brand manage a lot of these classic iconic lines uh but you're also like a toy collector you're one of us and that's kind of what's out what you've been able to do [00:05:02] Speaker 3: yeah thank you for having me it's always absolutely i love anytime i can talk to him because yeah i mean i am i'm a collector too as you can kind of see and it's great it's not like you know i can talk to my wife and daughter about this kind of stuff so i love when i can uh you know jump on podcasts otherwise we're like living in this internet bubble where i'm putting out youtube videos and responding to [00:05:22] Speaker 1: comments but it's not really you know uh exactly exactly yeah it's um something about uh even more so in this uh covid bubble world like this is how we interact uh i don't think i've seen john in person [00:05:39] Speaker 2: in in months but at least this is a chance to kind of we're so used to uh interacting at shows and being able to geek out in our show bubble or going to conventions and it's now like you say it's just it's all virtual now we can't even play with toys together [00:05:59] Speaker 3: dogs and cats sleeping together mass hysteria all right i get the point [00:06:06] Speaker 1: all right well uh scott before we get into the more uh q a portion of this program uh we usually start our show with recent toy halls and uh do you do you have any scott that you you know maybe would share [00:06:20] Speaker 3: with us some recent pickups uh well i ordered some stuff from hasbro pulsecon but i realized i'm gonna be here till like april i was like wait weren't you supposed to have these for comic-con but now they're [00:06:32] Speaker 1: back here till like next comic-con april so now can can you then say uh now is it your turn to be like you're killing the land [00:06:44] Speaker 3: i was expecting to have my hellfire club set on my desk already and now i gotta wait till april let's see what did i just picked up the uh the new marvel legends i got the deadpool wave it's nice and then the uh whoops the spider-man wave here i took the glasses off of peter parker because they look ridiculous so anyone who wants to they he looks fine without the glasses like you can't even see the little holes in his head that yeah oh yeah yeah take those off um who else did i get i don't know oh i oh i found the the new star wars uh vin oh nice oh nice like i actually found these in aisle which was wow i haven't seen them yet yeah but i've only seen them once and i was like oh my god the whole case back is there i'll take akbar and i'll take i'll take a stormtrooper i mean on the on the shelf i love it there's nothing like finding it you know in the wild if you will yeah exactly that right [00:07:41] Speaker 2: place right time feeling yeah it doesn't get any better it wasn't like 8 a.m i just happened to be at [00:07:46] Speaker 3: a target shopping for you know cheese and candles and i'm a stormtrooper uh how do you like the [00:07:52] Speaker 1: stormtrooper i hear the new articulation on it's really good like it's yeah this is on i mean he's [00:07:58] Speaker 3: an unbelievable it's it's one of the best six inch figures i think i've seen i mean like the head alone oh wow look at that like it's got two ball joints in it so the range of motion i mean you know he can do like look like oh wow you're talking about i'm short first and uh and the uh the legs the pins are hidden ah yes yes really really nice i mean you can you get all this posing out of him and you can't see the pins so yeah this is this is probably going to be figure of the year for a lot of people i think still can't believe i found it sitting on on the pegs that's that yeah that's the best feeling [00:08:37] Speaker 1: in the world for sure uh john what was that called was it like pin tech or thin tech or i think it was [00:08:42] Speaker 3: thin tech that's what hasbro was calling it anyway you know hasbro owns like patents on all this crazy articulation yeah things like double jointed knees and and elbows which is why we couldn't use them in dcu classics really yeah i don't think a lot of people know that like hasbro that's like hasbro proprietary [00:09:02] Speaker 1: trademark or whatever like invention i guess you could yeah now did they get that when they like bought toy biz because didn't toy toy biz had that stuff yeah you know maybe uh you know i don't know [00:09:15] Speaker 3: all the details i just know that when we tried to put it into toys at mattel legal told us we couldn't [00:09:24] Speaker 1: and here again there's us the keyboard warriors it's like yeah why don't you have devil joining knees [00:09:30] Speaker 3: we didn't have them on blue beetle we got away with him on one figure uh yeah one slip through the [00:09:34] Speaker 1: cracks yeah it's a long story uh uh let's see now why do i want that figure uh i yeah it's a great figure it's a great figure uh he also says oh hey scott toy guru 10e 23 a tool where is the tool from did we find out yet he hasn't said yet he just says like it's in tomorrow so he's got to be i don't know what's tomorrow it's like china china australia uh old school shinobi's in the house old school what's up old school uh if you don't know scott old school is a frequenter uh on the program or a viewer of the program um those those are great toy finds uh i still haven't found any of those so that's [00:10:19] Speaker 2: really good uh john do you want to go next um i got very little um nothing in hand i pre-ordered the mandarin spawn the new um gold label um from walmart i did finally find the origins man at arms uh in the wild nice that's in the case i didn't take it out that's it that's all i got it was a slim [00:10:42] Speaker 1: pickens week that's that's all right yeah origins has seemed to hit uh the north carolina pretty strong finally because first it was just like battle cat and then the sky slid set and a sprinkling of skeletor he-man and now like those big end caps are starting yeah that end cap display lasted one day [00:11:01] Speaker 2: i want at my walmart it went from full it went from full to not even there anymore in 24 hours yep that's insane there's a lot of figures in that display yeah it would cut if you if you went to buy the entire thing it would be like a thousand dollars with tax because it's four i think it's four figures [00:11:20] Speaker 1: deep and it's four figures wide yeah four figures tall that's nuts that is nuts uh old school is with you same here john that mandarin spawn is a must have it's a big one um how about you jay what'd you get same for me the motu display hit my probably my closest walmart or the walmart actually has a toy section not the other one uh but uh their display ripped off the top so it was just the bottom uh blue part so it wasn't as pretty but i did steal this layout paper that was it's like the planogram uh yeah or it's how to put it together oh and i was like ah souvenir the blueprints oh but uh so i got new he-mans and a new he-man and another skeletor for my sons um because they've been playing with my vintage ones and so it was a nice thing just like you know give them toys that the feet aren't going to be all wobbly and break off so that was cool and then while i was there i picked up uh from the wwe masterverse line the uh ray mysterio figure um which i i'm not a current wrestling fan but i know he's the san diego kid so i i do dig that and uh has straight up the stratos uh uh wings and the the back and i love the the paint detail here so i assume that'll probably be on the motu origins uh stratos the one thing i do have concerns though is the i don't know if i'll change it but the wings don't connect to the arms at all and i and it just you kind of take off the hands then put this on and i just worry if over time they'll just [00:13:02] Speaker 3: don't flop over i mean they never did i mean like those are the i think they're the same wings as stratos and yeah i mean they're what they're what was there on those did i totally miss that i must maybe those are those are definitely the same i mean the same tool you can see it here yeah they only attach at the rest yep yep this is the power con version but it's the same thing [00:13:25] Speaker 1: yeah yeah well see i wonder but they they use sock or it's more rubbery on the origins because mine's already kind of sagging if you notice so i don't know maybe something they'll fix down like it still looks great though this figure it's just a cool looking toy it's like you know one of those knock off motu uh uh toys from the 80s or something like a remco yeah remco kind of figure somewhere so i thought that was a that was a cool pickup and then and then i went to the flea market this weekend and i got these weird they're not weird but you know like the imperial dinosaurs and yeah dillas and stuff well i i spotted this uh imperial giraffe uh at at my at the state fairground flea market and uh i don't know he just he just appealed to me it was two dollars and then i saw that they had other ones they had a uh this cool elephant oh that's cool really neat and then uh this this uh grizzly bear uh who i thought was pretty so i you know i got these for my boys but there's just something about those old imperial like animal toys this is like a tank like i could probably like i don't know yeah it's a safe with these things battle giraffe right right that that mattel would like repurpose or something even though it was imperial but [00:14:45] Speaker 2: would have been the fifth wave of dino riders yeah yeah exactly zoo riders [00:14:54] Speaker 1: uh brad brooks that's a sick giraffe uh yeah i mean it's almost like uh joff or jeffrey the the toys r us draft when they when he was like just a normal giraffe remember when toys r us did that for like a second yeah like very briefly yeah it was like so unsettling they're like oh we're not going to do that anymore oh it's got too real uh let's see um hey don't knock renko lost world of the world i wasn't knocking it old school i like remco so aggressive so aggressive uh cool that grizzly bear and uh we got a a quick question here for scott hey scott have you ever collected ghostbusters toys well i mean i have [00:15:42] Speaker 3: all the ghostbuster toys that i worked on yeah yeah you know you know as well as the you know the prop replicas within hands reach um when i was a kid i had the kenner stuff so you know yeah um jordan answers yeah i mean i like one i mean a big reason when we did the when mattel got the ghostbuster license it was part of a sort of a shared deal with sony where mattel was uh well more or less obligated to make toys for the new movie which turned out to be a 2016 female movie but at the time there was no script and it could have been you know mattel was assuming it was going to be you know a boy's action adventure property yeah um but as soon as the license sort of came away i was like we are doing can we do classic figures like they've never been done in movie style ever and i was just like so thrilled to do that so well yeah i mean that's [00:16:34] Speaker 1: something that as like at the time i ran a really like tiny ghostbusters toys website it was like ghostbusters toy archive or something and i remember when i think it was at toy fair when they showed the the two upped i think it was acroids uh ray stance and i believe the herald ramus figures it was like those two and maybe slimer they're the two upped versions um of of those two guys and it was huge it was huge for the ghostbusters toy collecting community because nobody somehow yes oh yeah there they are uh somehow in at that point what 30 years nobody had made action figures of the original goat and as much as real ghostbusters were my favorite of all time but it was crazy that we never got and it was so cool i mean like that had to have been i don't know like a one of the shining moments of your mattel time right now we have more movie [00:17:31] Speaker 3: ghostbuster figures than we could possibly need from three different companies making the same thing [00:17:37] Speaker 1: but that's not important right now um but like what was that like because you know uh like from the insider perspective because i remember at the time there was a lot of like uh in or people were thinking like how will they do the murray sculptor well he'll never allow it because that's what killed the necco one or like well so what was that like trying to get the likenesses and and to bring those [00:17:56] Speaker 3: to life for the first time so i mean so basically yeah we had rights to um you know and this sony was the one who initiated the whole thing they came to mattel oh really oh wow um and they came to mattel a big thing because of maddie collector they recognized that mattel as a company was making toys for adult collectors and they knew that the best way to get excitement going for the new toys was to start with the adult collector market yeah so it was because of maddie collector that sony approached us which was like a few times maddie collector ever got like credit for anything with upper management um otherwise it was like we have what a maddie who the what website um so yeah so i mean we had rights to to make all of the actors ex well not all like we did not have janine from movie one but we could make her for movie two weird stuff like that but otherwise for the most part we had everybody um but we had to get actor approval and um dan akroyd and harold ramus were like already on board with doing it from day one yeah and um i actually met um ernie hudson at a convention a little while back i actually had his contact info and so i wrote him and told him what we were doing and he was really excited and then yes bill murray was like the big question like are we going to be able to get him to approve the head sculpt yeah and there's a reason that walter peck was the sixth figure in the line and we still didn't have a bill murray yeah um originally the plan was bill murray the very first figure comic-con was supposed to be slimed peter with slimer but because we couldn't get bill murray to approve the sculpt in time it became egon with slimer which made no sense yeah that's why because we had the egon sculpt approved because hailed ramus and dan akroyd were all on board from day one yeah i still actually have the form that dan akroyd sent back approving it because he signed it um and then yeah i mean so basically we we finally tracked down uh uh bill murray and showed him showed him the sculpt and he the one the four horsemen did and he just didn't like it i remember his comments was it looks chinese whatever um so then we sculpted it in house we had to do a brand new portrait that's what a head sculpt is called a portrait sculpt okay and we wound up tracking him down on a golf course and bringing him like a gift box of a bunch of figures and some slimers and the other characters in the lines we could see how we fit in and we're like look we don't want to have a line without vanckman and he's like okay okay and he signed it but so we we we had we brought him both head sculpts the slime and the unslimed and we're like okay we have two vanckman head sculpts to use we can use them forever yeah every figure we'll just get that we're not gonna like re-sculpt vanckman we have it it's done yeah let's just go make it so yeah i mean it was it was tricky we had to track him down uh and you know he went through two different sculpts before he approved it but he did and it's great i mean i and i think we just blew up that same sculpt for the for the 12 inch because again we like had approval yeah so it's like use it that like did you have like a intern or something [00:21:17] Speaker 1: try and track him down at the at the golf course like how did i think it was someone from licensing [00:21:22] Speaker 3: you know or something i mean yeah it wasn't me or someone on my team but i remember them telling me the story like okay we know he's at this golf course this game we're gonna go try to find him well because we we were up to our sixth figure in line we still didn't have yeah you know bankman yeah and you know we're like it's gonna be like ridiculous to like just keep doing these variants [00:21:41] Speaker 1: of ray and egon and so yeah we got a ton that's crazy yeah because i remember at the time uh because uh i remember at comic-con like i got that uh slimes uh egon uh variants and i loved how that packaging you could like uh open and then reseal i thought that was really cool um uh but yeah it's like well they even in our heads like they probably wanted thank you and probably couldn't get it and then like in the community where it's like oh man please bill just approve your head you just want a figure so bad don't don't not let us have a figure and it must have been [00:22:16] Speaker 3: easier with he must be like used to this stuff by now with hasbro and and uh was it diamond did the seven inch figure so yeah yeah yeah i mean they launched with ever i actually bought the zuul because we didn't get or a gozer because we didn't do those are so i bought i bought their gozer and put [00:22:32] Speaker 1: it with my figures yeah the gozer is okay what i do like and you know i don't know if you've got any of the plasma series stuff but at least it seems to scale really well with the maddie collector stuff yeah yeah yeah on the shelf together and they look like if you're not they look like they belong [00:22:47] Speaker 3: together you know which is nice and then i took i i took the terror dog head and i mounted on my wall [00:22:52] Speaker 1: like a deer head i wasn't gonna buy the rest of them so um john john what's what's your next question [00:23:03] Speaker 2: what do you got um well mine is more so masters related and in the uh i'm a full-time toy dealer scott that's that's how i make my living and i've noticed you know ever since um the toys that made us documentary about he-man the the prices on masters toys has absolutely gone crazy from the only thing that really hasn't budged that much is new adventure stuff um do you think if if more if masters classics was launched today um from brand new today in the current market would it would it last at retail do [00:23:43] Speaker 3: you think like mochi like like yeah like classics yeah instead rather than maddie collector if it was [00:23:50] Speaker 2: a motu classic series at retail with the absolutely not no you don't think so and i mean [00:23:56] Speaker 3: the reason is i've done a few videos on this it it basically comes down to one factor if you and even a video i think i even just posted on friday it was called like toy aisles and ontological shift see we bring just i mean i'll do like one sentence of background and then i promise i'll answer your question as collectors as toy dealers as hobbyists we look at these figures as everything i mean you know it's what we display it's what we go you know early in the morning to toy stores to look for it's what we wait in line at comic-con for so there's so much emotional build-up and enjoyment from that and like you said i'm a collector too i get it from a business standpoint anything that's at retail in the toy aisle so meaning at a big box store like a walmart or a target yep has to sell 80 of its product to kids hands down they have a collector zone you know behind the electronics both walmart and target have this and that's where you see stuff like neca you saw the funko like a motu five inch horror figures you know the motu form factor if you will perfect example is a product that is designed only for adult collectors with retail stores they basically have to have a certain amount of sales um per peg per week to justify carrying a line okay so a line that's only aimed at adult collectors really well it won't we're a lot smaller than we realize we are you know like we talk to each other it's like the internet makes us louder than numerous yeah and the reason something like classics i don't think could work at retail is because it was all about going to character deep now you can go character deep if you have a cartoon show or a movie but until until there's a cartoon show or a movie then like that's what would be needed to support a he-man line at retail so even origins which i know has been hard to find because you know yeah see the thing is also with collectors it only takes one collector to go in and clean out a whole peg oh yeah or scalper right or scalper or whatever so you know like that's not going to happen with the screwdrivers or the notepads or the apples you know right nobody goes in oh my god they got a new case pack of yellow pads i'm gonna get them all [00:26:23] Speaker 1: toilet paper was that way for a minute though you know corona but yeah you know exactly so [00:26:32] Speaker 3: what what i mean while or it's great that origins are retail and it's great that they're focusing on main characters yeah it has to appeal to kids while collectors are you know like like you said in north carolina we're having like they're just starting to show up yeah that's because think of it like this if you've got a hundred percent of a pro of production quota let's just call it for a round number a hundred thousand units yeah twenty thousand twenty percent are usually bought by collectors and then the eighty percent are bought by kids moms gift givers etc etc grandparents but the thing about the collector twenty percent is that's the first twenty percent bought yeah so modu classics has probably only shipped five percent of its total quota so we're still in that top twenty percent yeah that's why they keep disappearing quickly off shelves because we haven't um sort of maxed out the collector purchase yet yeah after enough time after a few months same thing with gi joe classified same thing with marvel legends black series all this stuff the first twenty percent of whatever that you know production quota again let's just say 100 000 units for a round number that's yeah collectors work you know vultures and we're gonna get it first yeah then once we've had our fill you know once we've all gotten it then it's gonna sit there for kids so the concern with a line like motu is we're still in the collector like feast area where you know five to seven percent of the quota has shipped after we hit that twenty percent and it shifts all the collectors are full and they've had their fill of he-man and skeletor will then the question is will kids buy it and that's why i would fear something like motu classics which was all about going deep what i like about origins at retail is one it's a little cheaper very colorful yeah yeah i tend to equate like classics is kind of like star wars black series and origin is kind of like star wars vintage collection if you will you're taking the old style or you know the old form factor and updating it so the question basically is is will kids once collectors have eaten their 20 and we're not even halfway there i think you know and that's you know my so classics that the whole point of classics was to go deep yeah and you can't really go deep at re i mean the only toy line that really has gone deep is like maybe marvel legends star wars but that was over the course of years and you had movies and you had entertainment and you know huge world i mean star wars is like way bigger than he man oh yeah so i know that was a long-winded answer but i [00:29:20] Speaker 2: but it was very informative with the um you know your percentage of what what needs to be sold off of a shelf you know like that's the stuff that i want to hear you know um like five percent of weekly sales need to be off of every peg you know um like that's the stuff that i that i like to hear right you know [00:29:41] Speaker 1: one of the things in that i think it was in that same video i'm hoping not remembering something else but i think you talked about and i think use it as a hypothetical but you said like the wind waiter raider and you know maybe it would sell out really quick on its maddie collector release but you were selling what came in from the warehouse and there could still be i don't know another 5 000 or something that was coming in and it's something that you know i really like about your channel is it actually gives you the inside baseball look at how it all works um and it's almost like this public service you're doing now because it's just before it was like wow and it's nice that it's like oh well that actually makes sense that that actually we get that you know yeah i basically started the channel because [00:30:30] Speaker 3: you know corona shut down i was like sitting at home with that much to do yeah and uh yeah like i was looking for something fun to do so i started making these videos but then i was realizing like yeah you know no one's ever actually explained this and it's not that complicated but anything i did with mattel like any video had to be like go through like 19 you know approvals from 100 different people and it just like there was this one time i went i was going to record uh maddie videos we would record like 10 of them at once yeah so we we were doing the recording in a there's one conference room at in the design center mattel that's sort of in front of the front desk like you don't have to go into the con the the building yeah in the lobby more or less so you don't have to like pass through the security zone if you will and we specifically chose that conference room because we knew like if there's no security you know like we don't have to go through mega security to use that room and so we hired a crew we brought them in we set up the lights and an admin came in and said like you need permission from like three vps to use this room for shooting and i'm like well you know what we're doing here and like i can go get my vp and she's like no i'm sorry and she shut the whole thing down oh my god that way it was like those were like some of my frustrations because it was like oh my god just like look outside the box like yeah you know you know this doesn't have to be you know [00:31:55] Speaker 2: kobayashi maru by the book here like yeah it's it's all in the benefit of the the company that [00:32:00] Speaker 3: everybody's working for yeah so the one thing i love about my videos is nobody approves them but me i mean i'm not going to give away any proprietary information i mean i'm still you know there's obviously stuff i'm not going to talk about out of respect for my previous employers but sure i tend to think things that apply to the toy industry as a whole that's not proprietary to anyone yeah you know that just needs to be explained so come to my channel spectra creative and you too can [00:32:26] Speaker 1: learn something uh link is in the description below if you're watching this right now it's right there as well as your website spectra creative.com um so you know i think i've heard you say it in other podcast interviews and stuff like that but there's times where it like rings really true and i think as you say uh and correct me if i'm saying this wrong but uh there's too many suits and not enough geppettos um i think yes that's definitely one of my phrases um but it is so true uh a lot and it's it's one that i think is also works in other iterations other companies you see it where there's like way too much kind of corporate governance and it almost crushes the the creativity um you know and with your time it's hell did you find more freedom in the other toy companies that you worked with or was there all some type of variation like is there a toy company that is creative first versus suits and then the creators are down there and don't really have much control [00:33:26] Speaker 3: um i mean i think every company i've worked for it's definitely always about the bottom line first and foremost but the smaller the company the less levels of approval you would have to go through i guess you could say so when i work like when i work for jada for example which is a very small family-owned company you would just have to get the approval from the president who owned the company and that was it and if he said do it you did it um versus mattel there were like you know 100 signatures you had just to bring a camera into a room that wasn't even behind the security desk so you know yeah it was basically that i worked for you know jacks for a while i've worked for entertainment earth loot crate yeah the smaller the company the less red tape basically yeah yeah um speaking of jada like the [00:34:12] Speaker 1: and i don't know how much you're paying attention to it now but i wonder if like the nano hollywood rides are becoming more successful now that also micro machines is back and like is there like a cross pollination effect because i know my kids are loving the micro machines and now they want the the jada ones too because they're kind of in that i mean a little bit bigger but still works enough for a kid um but do you think like that line will be you know even greater now that micro machines are back [00:34:38] Speaker 3: i mean another you know another one of those phrases i tend to use is um but i picked this one up for marketing people a high tide lifts all ships so you know like you said when the netflix documentary came out you saw a rise in he-man sales so it's like anything that gets kids into toys is great because for most kids they don't care about the label they just care about the toy yeah so i mean in some ways whether you're getting a stormtrooper or spider-man they just want to get a new toy yep um so yeah i mean it's like if micro machines are huge now again and it helps jada sell more of their micro scale like [00:35:14] Speaker 1: it's it's all it's anything that helps toys sell is good now when you're leading the charge on some of these is there like worry or concerns that toys are becoming and in i think it was in that graph you show it's like maybe only like three percent of total sales or something it's very small is there a worry ever that it's going to keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller to where it's just not even around or do you think there's always a market there will always be a market for toy like action figures for kids as opposed to us big kids that you know buy them all up or whatever [00:35:50] Speaker 3: well you know and again uh i'll answer that question by giving a little background and actually i'm going to plug my my business through it because what i do with spectra creative besides making these fun youtube videos and teaching hieroglyphics on sundays it is um and kiki the cat kiki the cat yes that's what i do with my 10 year old daughter we do that um she enjoys it and then kiki like makes appearances and videos and meows when battle cat comes on screen it's hilarious i did not time that and she did that it was really funny um anyway uh so so what i what i my company what my consulting company does is specialize in what i call the emotional connection between consumer and product it doesn't have to necessarily be toy product it could be you know toilet paper or beauty product i actually run a beauty product company called avocadoshair.com check it out it's got some great products um link in the description uh but understanding why a customer is buying a product is what's really missed in many industries but especially the toy industry a lot of times companies are making things just because it's like the i think i've said this the line from jurassic park from ian malcolm where it's like you're making it because you can but not because you should yeah um you know they're packaging and they're putting on lunchbox and they're you know patented and patented on it um and so i still gotta find that malcolm figure anyway um so it's basically you know will people always be buying toys that's where the emotional connection comes from so with adult collectors it's all about acquisition you know we want to get as much as we can because it's at the end of the day we feel good when we have a full collection it's like a trophy for kids it's about play and you have to look at who's playing and how are they playing and obviously you know the the low-hanging fruit answers about you know screens and ipads and you know tick tock becoming a toy which it is i mean my daughter's favorite toy is tick tock um you know which is scary uh and pickle the dinosaur from mariah elizabeth but that's a whole other story um but if you look at things like toddlers um that you know the the toddler and baby market is the by far the biggest toy market like by far because not only do those kids need that product to understand the world but you're dealing with especially first-time parents who have no idea what they're doing and are freaking out and seeing this product as a solution to the problem they have of not knowing how to be parents so they're buying a lot of these toys under duress um if you will as like oh i hope this works and but that is what you know that again like look at that that's the emotional connection to buying the toddler product and you know it's not the toddler saying oh i want that abc block and you know like they don't know to ask for that so it's really the parent is the and why is the parent buying that toy so um again to plug my company that's what we do is we help develop product based on that emotional connection but then the idea of will people still play with toys i mean screens have taken a huge bite out of this way too much um especially when it comes to the dopamine hit yeah because when the way i mean you know even like i don't know if you guys have seen the documentary on netflix uh social distraction i think it's called uh yeah uh the social dilemma social dilemma yeah um they definitely they talk about it and my wife is a is a clinical play therapist um so she she like knows this stuff backwards and forwards yeah but it's essentially all of these apps and facebook and twitter are all designed to create dopamine hits every time you get likes every time you get comments every you know it and toys are also designed to release dopamine that's the happy chemical in your brain and when toys release that through play it's a good thing it's a it's a healthy dopamine but when you're sitting on a screen and you're looking to see how many subscribers you have to tick tock um for a 10 year old for a child that's really dangerous because that's like it's basically the same type of dopamine that gamblers and smokers get and so we're basically by giving screens and facebook and these apps to kids it's like opening them up to gambling and smoking and drinking type behaviors yeah which are releasing these chemicals so what really needs to happen is parents need to kind of wake up and stop and like it's almost like you have to like be you know i know it's like you'll never take a screen away from a 16 year old but it's like they're not meant for kids especially young kids um you know it's tough i mean you know companies have tried to find these ways of i remember mattel had a thing called activity you can google it it was basically a toy where it would be like hot wheels and you would play it on your ipad and as you move the hot wheels forward the ipad would would create like unlimited track if you would oh wow the curve well it seemed like and that was basically their answer to how do we merge toys and apps problem was that the hot wheels on the ipads were scratching the ipads so they lasted about three weeks of retail before they got pulled um but that's you know it's like i think the toy industry i i say there's three things that they think are going to save the toy industry one is figuring out toy plus app which does not work yeah two is 3d printing which is a great thing but it's not a toy yeah maybe a lego block maybe um and then three there's this and i think it's a little less now than it was three years ago but there's this obsession with genderless toys uh you're selling dolls in the boys aisle and and i mean like there's a new barbie series out where it's like there's no hair and there's no face and you make it you can make it whatever gender you want okay um target has it it's like a blue box and it's like there are fundamental differences between boys and girls and gender slash sex whatever i mean sorry social justice warriors there is a thing called gender and kids do play differently based on their brain structure yeah so trying to find this genderless toy that's going to save the industry because everyone will buy it like is a fallacy that doesn't take science into account it's taking like wishes into account right so you know i think the secret to say you know getting more toys is really better entertainment like look at the way star wars and you know he-man and transformers back in the day and strawberry shortcake and my little pony spawned healthy good toys yeah yeah um so it's better entertainment with stories that actually connect with children on an emotional level through psychology not through you know like luke skywalker is perfect he follows the linear hero's journey that's why he appeals to us ray didn't do that she just showed up and she was great at everything so better storytelling that actually uses if you will like the psychological needs of of humans from storytelling will lead to better toy product and that's what people need to [00:43:17] Speaker 2: do so call spectra creative we can help you develop that we need we need a really good um saturday [00:43:23] Speaker 3: morning cartoon lineup again we do we do and it's one also because kids are binging cartoons now there's no longer that communal share so you know the whole thing about like talking about the latest episode around the water cooler in office kids were doing around the uh seesaw they were talking about what happened on he-man yesterday right because that it just exists on demand now and kids watch it whenever they want there's no communal oh my god did you see my little pony and what happened last night like that's a big part of it too so we've lost that and people aren't looking at that but even then like [00:44:00] Speaker 1: i think there's also the creativity part of it where you know like when i would watch real ghostbusters it would be like one episode i'd watch it and if i wanted to keep the stories going i would take the toys and then create the story you know and kids now like my kids and we limit screen time they don't have tablets or anything but if they're watching daniel tiger or something like that you know they can just keep watching daniel tiger there's it doesn't stop until i turn off the tv you know and no that that [00:44:29] Speaker 3: is a great point and i actually i did a video about this on my channel um where i talked about like why the the old star wars work versus the new and it's something that most people don't discuss in the old the i said that the the greatest line in the entire trilogy the most important line it's not you know luke i am your father or anything like that it's on hoth when han and leia are arguing in echo base and leia says i thought you i thought you said you'd stay and han responds well the bounty hunters we ran on read into on ord mandel bentel changed on my mind he's suggesting to kids what happened between movies between episodes seven and eight nothing happened it literally eight picked up right when seven ended there was no time skip and that was the biggest problem just like you said kids need to be able to make up their own stories and they need the content to give them a jumping board a diving board to then do that because they're avatars for the imagination and if kids are just being fed constant daniel tiger or constant star wars with no gap then they can't make up adventures on their own and [00:45:41] Speaker 1: that's yeah that's a great point yeah that's where i like i have like notes you need to go in your room and play with your toys like that's it no nothing that is your time that's your punishment to go and play toys you have all these toys like you have so much what i would give that like we have a playground all you go do these things um so but the thing is they eventually enjoy the time but it's just like it's those few moments of like but then if you just leave it long enough then then they just start playing with their toys and stuff just kind of to force the hand a little bit uh going to the chat uh we got uh well uh motu she-ra may cross the sexual identity divide that is a very uh you know even boys probably had some she-ra figures and and and vice versa i know my wife is a fan of he-man and i'll admit i two young sisters i i played with a fair many a barbie uh in in my day [00:46:32] Speaker 3: i will admit it i will admit it yeah i stole my sister she-ra i completely did i i don't think that's an issue of sexual identity i think that's just an issue of there's nothing wrong with having with boys playing with female action figures yeah that's why barbie has ken yeah um but if you look at barbie she's all about hair play and dress play if you look at princess leia or teela they're still about what we with the technical term they use is doinky doink play meaning you know like i'm gonna get you no i'm gonna get you you know versus versus hair play or you know so you can have female act like you you actually need female action figures to balance out the storytelling because it adds a dramatic element that's actually why they added teela um because having a female on the line added romantic interest you could play out that you could play out rescues that kind of thing um but it and all but at the same time it's you know action figures are a boy play pattern for the most part so they need to have mostly men but you can have females not just don't overload the line and likewise with dolls don't overload the line with boys it should be mostly goes but there should be you know monster high did a great job it had like a couple boy characters you know but it was mostly [00:47:56] Speaker 1: about hair play and dress play you know so um let's see go into the chat here bernie davis once my book becomes an animated movie i could use a toy guru to help me with action figures based on my original [00:48:06] Speaker 3: character as well spectre creative.com that is literally one of the things we do on our list of services so [00:48:14] Speaker 1: check out the website uh and uh anywho all right um john what's your next question um well i know you've [00:48:26] Speaker 2: talked about it before um but what do you think of the um this new masterverse this new seven inch line do you think it's going to dilute um the collectors for for masters stuff and i know it's it's going to be it's assumingly it's based on the new netflix series but is it going to be um just too much out [00:48:48] Speaker 3: there like well i mean i think we can clearly tell because yeah if you look at that little top right corner it says right there masters the universe revolution it's got the logo right there yeah telling you what it's going to be about um obviously i don't work for mattel i mean i have people i have friends still there but i call them and ask them this stuff because it wouldn't be polite or you know professional um but i can give you my opinion more as a fan right um and as a prof as a professional myself not working there is that yeah it will pro i'm it will be a you know a seven inch line or six since you know i guess class is classics considered a seven inch line i think it's a i consider it six inch i do too i mean i think it i can go get a ruler and a figure but um you know i mean they were designed to be a little taller than marvel legends because even back in the day he-man figures were always like a little bigger that was kind of the whole thing you know that was like their their identity was they were they were bigger than gi joe's and bigger than star wars um but yeah i mean it was really it was meant to be compatible with six inch figures yeah i hate seven inch figures i'll tell you that right now to me that's like the inch of doom because there are seven inches dope like here can i can i spin this around like see here's my like some of my six inch figures and they're all in scale to each other right yep and i love that shelf it's got like you know tons of different ip but they're all in perfect scale seven inch figures aren't in scale they're just one inch too big and it is really noticeable um so i'm hoping by seven inch they kind of mean more like they're using the motu classic bucks [00:50:26] Speaker 1: yeah it seems like they are like but if this is true i don't i don't know if this is official but it looks very like they're using or i would think they're using according to entertainment earth [00:50:35] Speaker 2: this week that's official because that the rest of the image was leaked with the watermark ah okay and it was um do a wholesale account publication for uh entertainment earth so all right so what so then [00:50:50] Speaker 3: you know yeah so they'll they'll be using the six inch bucks all the seven inch line but i think it'll be yeah it'll be it'll be in scale to classics but they'll overlay like you just saw with moss man you know details on like you know that'll be like a piece that rests on top if you will is probably what that is um and then you know there may be like pieces that you know overlay on the arms or they might just you know do new arms and legs like minimal new parts but like the basic buck inside but the key difference is to me um what they're doing for masterverse is basically just a exactly what they did for 2000x it was reimagining the motor universe in a different aesthetic style with 2000x the style was you know mike young productions or four horsemen what i call hyper anime detail sometimes trying to come up with a word for it yeah and with masterverse the you know based on the it says right there it's an anime show on netflix so it will be the netflix anime look like it doesn't serve them a purpose to do like the classic look that's kind of what origins is yeah so i think that anyone who's expecting masters verse to be like a continuation of classics in classic style yep maybe they'll do some figures down the line but there's no way in the launch wave or even the second or third wave it's going to be anything but netflix style because they have to get kids into it and they're hoping kids are watching the netflix line and then are going to store looking for figures that look like the netflix show so yeah they might use classic parts the same way the filmation series used classic parts but then used new heads new armor to simplify details but the arms and the legs and the chests were more or less the same yeah so yeah i mean it'll be compatible but i see it as being in the aesthetic style of the new show much like 2000x was in the style of the mike young show yeah is there is there a bit of risk and i and i [00:52:57] Speaker 1: think i the clip i played uh before you came on was from your kind of deep dive on 2000x um but do you think there is a bit of history repeating itself on the bad side for this line where 2000x was a hit with collectors but didn't quite break through to the kids like the cartoon was great like it had it's like on paper looking back it had it was a great show great toys but it didn't connect with kids are you worried that history might repeat itself with this new line or what could be different that does break [00:53:26] Speaker 3: through so um you know what you just said is is absolutely perfect because you know as us as collectors we all love the 2000x line and saw that is for us we're like oh this is great mattel's putting out new he-man figures for the adult collector but like you said no they were putting those out for kids they did some collector figures like keldor and she-ra yeah they were sold at comic-con not at target yeah um you know and right there that's kind of like the aha moment about that line i think that people kind of need to come around to we view that line as a collector line so you can't the same thing if you view revelate master verse if you view master verse as a line for the adult collector then you're on the wrong path you have to view it as a line for kids so basically the show has to work for kids it has to work so well that they want to then go to the toy store and buy plastic representations of what they just saw so you you asked me if i'm worried about it um well i don't own it i i sold my mattel stock a long time ago much better price as a he-man fan i already have my definitive he-man toy line in classics yeah i i mean i may pick up an origin figure here and there like maybe trapjaw or scareglow but i don't need another complete he-man line if you will oh you have it already i've got [00:54:58] Speaker 1: one of the european ones that that hit the european market how much did you pay for that that's the question i don't know my wife watches this sometimes you've already gotten in trouble that way um so so [00:55:10] Speaker 3: yeah so basically for myself as a he-man fan i have my quintessential he-man line i got snake mountain i got castle grayskull i got every figure that's ever been you know i mean yeah but you could obviously classics could have kept going there's more obscure characters or re-dos of a-listers so um masterverse well i think people may be looking at it like the way um mattel did the dc multiverse and they would mix movie style with comic style um which is what marvel legends does yeah they might do that and they might you know it'd be awesome i would love a 2000x highly articulated buzz off you know with thin arms and a thin torso yes um will that be what masterverse is you know if you look at star wars it was years before they started doing obscure characters it really was um so i you're definitely looking at launch here my guess is they're going to focus on the new netflix show in that style of all the main a-lister characters because if you can't sell the a-lister characters you know you're up a creek so am i worried i'm not worried because i already have my he-man toys and i sold my stock um well we'll see how it does i'm you know it's it's interesting that it's going to be compatible with classics um you know there may be people who like that version of moss man better than the classics version and that's great it's good for them for me i like all my figures to be in one style one look and i like that's why we did classics that way is because it feels like it's a we did everyone from optic to perfuma in the same style and they all work together and that to me was the beauty of it so you know it's like good luck charlie i you know i i i do hope it does well i mean i always always wish these lines well um i think it just depends on if kids are into the entertainment and then into the toys and that's that's a lot of steps yeah sure and as you said yeah are they just [00:57:08] Speaker 2: repeating 2000x i think the saving grace for um this new series over 2000x um the 2000x cartoon the the programming hours were seemed to be always all over the place so you couldn't just count on it being on at three o'clock you know every thursday or whatever whereas now they'll just be able to binge it all at one time absolutely and hopefully they'll be able to connect with it and and still want to continue the stories just like jay was saying with ghostbusters you know hopefully just doesn't it's [00:57:40] Speaker 3: not just a binge and then they're done with it that's you nailed it on the head that's it exactly it and that's the question is will that happen and we'll find out in the future all right we're [00:57:53] Speaker 1: coming up at the top of our i do want to get to some questions in the audience uh dave chambers uh says hey scott thanks for all you've done for the toy world what are your thoughts on why there is not a successor to dc you see on shelves at retail like classics looks instead of elseworld well i mean is that just because mcfarlane's doing it now so we'll never get those or [00:58:13] Speaker 3: yeah and i think um and i can go a few minutes over um i think logistically it's because when mattel had the license for dc it was the master toy license um when they took it back from mattel they then split it up um and they gave part of the license to spin master and part of the license to mcfarlane i don't know how that was defined i don't know if it was defined by scale or age grade or distribution i mean there's a zillion ways you can there's a video on my channel called splicing people should check it out explains all this i mean i've heard of license getting split up based on 80 percent die cast versus 20 die cast but the same scale like i mean it's crazy um so why can't dcu exist because i don't think a company right now has the rights to exactly that i think that it's been split up so that what was dcu classics that particular right sort of almost doesn't exist it got eaten up in the uh distribution or the dissolving of the master license [00:59:24] Speaker 1: and death of uh dc direct too which was another kind of sad thing for dc collectors um uh i think old school here has a line from what we're talking about with netflix unfortunately that happened with dark crystal show there was just a drop and binge with nothing to sustain interest going forward and making the budget not cost effective for netflix and that show was incredible the dark crystal show on [00:59:45] Speaker 3: netflix was it was unbelievable yeah yeah but did kids get into it yeah exactly i really don't think [00:59:52] Speaker 1: they got it yeah but we did i was watching with my six-year-old sonny's like daddy can we change this and i'm like i guess um uh ordinary joe 79 if i missed it uh scott what's your favorite universe uh i'm i guess [01:00:11] Speaker 3: any like like like property ip yeah i love this universe the one i exist in yeah ip probably i guess i would guess um i mean for toys i mean i love star wars he-man i mean i got my marvel legends shelf over here um on that my favorite ip is savage dragon which i know is a little obscure it's an eric larson image comics but it's amazing and if you're not reading it like you should check it out because one guy has drawn inked and written 253 issues and the continuity is insane so yeah it's worth checking out again if you haven't heard of that since the 90s [01:00:54] Speaker 1: well did i was that in that that kind of post marvel legends line didn't they do one of savage [01:00:59] Speaker 3: dragon yes yeah they uh actually the uh legendary heroes line here star yeah the uh so toy biz did these figures which i love um i haven't gotten that many figures from the world of savage dragon but yeah there's a few out there let so toy biz did the legendary heroes line that's what i'm gonna do and i'm gonna do with that and i'm gonna do with that and i'm gonna do this yeah um which i get but i'm just glad that this was made yeah but but it what came out of it was one [01:01:28] Speaker 2: of the best builder figures ever that pit figure oh my god i've got him in my back room yeah that is amazing that is one of the most amazing builder figures ever done yep i've he's he's in my back room yep i love that figure um i got a quick question um before you go were you working at um jack's when they did the the giant [01:01:49] Speaker 3: big figs that was me yeah the one behind you that batman yeah the giant is that the one with the light [01:01:55] Speaker 2: up chest it is and this is one of my the light up chest is yeah unbelievable everybody that comes into my toy room it's like the ultimate night light everybody that comes into my toy room i just hit that and and hit the lights and they're like why don't you shut the light off i'm like look [01:02:15] Speaker 3: yeah it's i'm really proud of yep that one that was like literally 100 me because we had to come up with a feature for batman and i said well why don't we do a bat signal because it was there any four footers that didn't come uh didn't get made four footers um oh there were a lot of 20 inchers that didn't get made a lot um there was a boba fett that uh uh uh the the four foot boba fett yeah it was just way too expensive because of the deco um i saw the prototype at jack's um that would have been amazing yeah that that would have been really cool um that was there weren't what in that scale and in the uh what four foot scale the whatever that batman is the giant colossal scale we call it yeah yeah that was very limited i know that they looked into doing um boba fett and uh i want to say the death trooper from rogue one because those were coming out at the time of rogue one yeah but they were concerned about the tooling they weren't sure if the death trooper would like catch on yeah um and it didn't did but it didn't you know catch on in the way like darth vader did but yeah there were really it was 20 it was the smaller ones the 20 inch that had a lot of figures that were sculpted but never made it [01:03:42] Speaker 2: oh wow um well he's one of my he's one of my favorites he's like a you know he stands out in the [01:03:49] Speaker 1: room yeah he's that's i'm really proud of that toy and it made an appearance in a shazam there was a throw it so i mean it appeared in a movie too which is great uh one last question from the audience here uh tour past printing what's your thought on how hasbro is working with ghostbusters as it seems they're repeating some of the maddie figure style we kind of talked about it they are hitting a lot [01:04:14] Speaker 3: same beats yeah you know well that line was was put out originally to coincide with the new movie and the movie got pushed like every movie this year i mean you know it's like you saw those black widow toys and yeah i don't know what has were what uh hasbro's done with those uh marvel eternals figures but they've probably hidden them or you know stop production or something yeah if you go to walmart you'll see a tab for an exclusive one that's not that's not hanging there um but yeah so ghostbusters the point of ghostbusters of putting that line out at retail was because it was supposed to be writing the coattails of this nostalgic movie that was going to tie into the original ghostbusters as opposed to the 2016 movie which didn't which was its own universe so because that movie didn't happen it there's kind of like no longer a reason for those toys at retail now it's like just a collector thing yeah um and it's now literally just a repeat yeah what mattel did um and i think a lot of people i mean like for example me even though the terror dogs was a cool carrot i wasn't going to rebuy the entire crew to get a terror dog when i already had them um and i think that you know this this is a great final question because it also applies to a larger principle with with toy collectors is that there's something called an moq which means minimum order quantity and when you're producing a toy any toy one you have to produce the minimum amount that the factory requires to go into production let's just again call 10 000 units for that number and so when people then so let's say you make you know 10 000 units well stormtrooper is a bad example let's say dr doom here right you make 10 000 units of doctor stormtrooper you could make you know people want to buy lots of those forever yeah especially that figure yeah so you make your 10 000 units of dr doom and then people start saying wait a minute i want another dr doom like i didn't get a chance to get it so then you have to look and you have to say okay let's say there are 13 000 fans that want dr doom you've already appeased 10 000 of them with the first run to do a second run will require you to do 10 000 again but there's only 13 000 fans so those 3 000 fans screaming for dr doom or whoever yeah very loud online they're they're very vocal but you know that there's only 3 000 left and if you produce 10 000 units for 3 000 people you're stuck with 7 000 units you can't sell yeah this is what happened with us with the pke meter it's a perfect example so it's really up to a good brand manager to figure out how big his audience is so he knows that there's 13 000 fans instead of ordering 10 000 in the first run you should order 12 500 or 14 000. yeah um but that's a risk you know if you do that are you going to wind the worst thing is to wind up with inventory because then you have to discount it and that harms the brand it harms you know bottom line so that's where kind of the catch is with all of that so with these bringing it back to these ghostbuster figures so they're producing the new ghostbuster figures they're basically exactly what mattel did more or less some of them have better sculpts absolutely but fewer accessories way fewer accessories so you have to say okay there's 10 000 fans out there that want a six inch bankman figure how many of them have already been satisfied by the mattel product yeah how many of them will either rebuy the figure in a hasbro box or never got the mattel one because it was never at retail and are now excited to find it at retail yeah so it's like a venn diagram and you have to figure out where those two meet and if that middle part is big enough you have success but if that middle part is too thin that's where you wind up with toys that don't sell egg warmers quote-unquote yeah big warmers yeah yeah yeah you know i don't know i've seen the ghostbuster toys peg warming for more or less [01:08:38] Speaker 1: yeah because they made like again to your point i know the first waves are being all bought up but then once that set those second waves of inventory and now they're there um and while my boys have really been but they like the kenner ones they bought i got them extra ones of the the kenner ones that's [01:08:54] Speaker 3: the ones they like more uh to play with they appeal to kids yeah exactly exactly those don't appeal to kids [01:09:02] Speaker 1: there's the proof exactly uh one last thing before we close it out uh do you have your big box snake [01:09:09] Speaker 3: mountain uh on the way there scott from uh super seven so uh won't want my blood in the streets i actually didn't order one love snake mountain but i have no place to put it me too i didn't get it i didn't either buy it and then stick it in my garage i figured you know one day soon when i'm like super rich and famous and money doesn't matter i'll just buy one off ebay because i have a big enough room at that point because i'm also rich and famous um until then my my toy room i mean i'm literally in it it's pretty much full i've got my castle gray skull on display i've got a giant bell rock from lord of the rings on display from neca um i did order that giant sentinel from haslab but i love what they i love they i mean i started it like i did yeah it was basically i was completely on it until it got past the super seven so it's like a toy i worked on yeah i just have no place to put it yeah so it's no offense to i mean to not support i mean obviously it happened so my support wasn't [01:10:12] Speaker 1: needed but it is kind of crazy because i mean it's been so you worked on it so how's it's been like what a six-year journey seven-year journey for this thing to like finally get there it's kind of cool [01:10:23] Speaker 3: yeah well i worked on it in 2014 so we're in 2020 now so yeah six years that's crazy your name should be on the production credits hopefully two companies you know crazy uh well scott really appreciate you [01:10:41] Speaker 1: uh coming on the show tonight to talk toys uh again i think i said at the top of the hour and i'll say it again here it's great having your perspective as both a toy industry expert but also a toy collector and fan and i think um that's what makes your channel and while maybe you did it just for fun to kill time during quarantine uh i think it's you know become a really important channel for uh toy fans it's really the first thing that's actually talking about uh the business and why things are the way they are um so uh where again links to his youtube channel are below uh as well as his website spectrecreative.com but any other things that you wish to plug as we're as we're closing out the show [01:11:25] Speaker 3: um i already plugged avocados hair.com right amazing vegan omega rich shampoo um the millennial hit of the summer yeah um no i mean those are those are definitely my my my two biggies um but uh you know yeah if you're also looking for someone to help develop ip you know help you make product that's going to sell better with better entertainment i off one of the services i offer is called toyetic script review where i will review a script and help develop that script so it has elements that will translate better to toy product and not just try to shove them [01:12:01] Speaker 1: in there so hey hollywood give me a call there you go there you go and what did i tell you my wife was watching but i don't know how much he paid for it see gotta be careful people oh man anyway all right well uh scott thank you again for coming on the show thank you very much scott and uh thank you for having me it's great to chat i'm happy to come back anytime awesome well thank you thank you well that'll do it for this episode of toy geeks where again we do this live on youtube.com geekdadlife every sunday be careful no no uh sundays at nine o'clock eastern and and uh and remember uh don't cross the streams uh we'll see you all next time hasta luego and goodbye