Top Charlie Kirk Debates That SHOOK Campuses This Spring 2025 👀🔥

[0:00] it's all right if you have an opinion i'm saying it's not all right if you don't understand how [0:04] the female reproductive okay pop quiz when does heartbeats begin for babies in utero [0:09] have you ever eaten an egg before um that's yes or no have you ever eaten an egg before [0:18] uh scrambled yeah okay so would that be you scrambled a full chicken well hold on oh you [0:25] understand it takes an egg to be fertilized right uh-huh yeah uh-huh yeah so the whole [0:31] thing you're making is that a baby since we're doing pop quiz on like human development [0:36] so when exactly do heart waves begin in utero you know that but you don't know the four [0:42] hold on no so tell me when tell me when i don't know okay you don't know no so wait hold on so [0:46] you're trying to say i know more about the woman reproductive system than you do i am a woman so [0:52] yes yes okay well but the point being is we could both go back and forth of like independent trivial [0:58] facts when it comes to the woman's reproductive system but here's something we all know because [1:03] god wrote this on the human heart of every individual that says in the book of romans [1:06] we know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby you're not murdering a baby okay okay well let's [1:13] let's play this out what is it then it is an embryo which is not a baby well well okay so it's a [1:19] fertilized embryo right which is not a baby so at what point does it become a baby when it is born [1:25] oh i don't agree with abortions up to full term abortions but hold on but but you said it becomes [1:33] a baby when it's born then why would you have a abortion limits before it's born i thought it's [1:37] just an embryo so embryo rights no embryo rights aren't a thing but then where would you draw a [1:42] line for abortion then and why and under what moral standard there are medical reasons no no no no [1:47] that's not the question that's not the question you just asked me why would i not have an abortion [1:50] full term for medical reasons okay so at 29 weeks the baby is nearly fully developed can recognize the [1:56] mother's voice has a heartbeat has brain waves is it okay to abort that baby i don't like it's not [2:03] okay but you're gonna say it's okay to have an abortion then like i don't understand what you're [2:09] trying to say it's not okay to have an abortion ever correct like three weeks in correct no abortion [2:14] correct why well because your life started at conception it did not though it did not well hold on [2:20] so let's play this out so who are you as an individual from your skin color to your eye color [2:25] to your likes your dislikes from your temperament to your everything i am not an embryo i'm a person [2:32] hold on a second but it started with something called deoxyribonucleic acid and your own individual [2:40] dna started at the point of egg and sperm meeting that's where your journey started and so from that [2:48] point in particular life begins not not at birth not at first words not at first steps but when [2:55] your dna which is who you actually are your you are your dna every one of your dna cells is coded xx or [3:02] xy it's coded with all of your unique characteristics and attributes that god we believe god individually [3:08] curated for the rest of your life that doesn't happen at eight weeks or ten weeks it happens at [3:13] conception what happens if you need a medical abortion if the mother will die if she does not [3:17] get an abortion what's your stance on the only the only place where medical abortion is necessary is [3:22] before 20 weeks which is incredibly what if she will die what if the mother hold on a second so let's [3:26] take they for example like this is a very important question let's say it's 27 weeks okay and the mother [3:33] will die why shouldn't you could agree why don't we just have the baby delivered by cesarean section you [3:38] know what a cesarean section is right yes what is a cesarean section a c-section yeah why wouldn't we just [3:43] put the baby out by c-section instead of terminating it because if the mother will die it's not safe to [3:48] do that you remove the baby i understand threat removed i know what a c-section but it's actually [3:52] safer than an abortion so every time they say this is for you guys they say oh you need to have abortion [3:58] for medical reasons respond then have a c-section what if you're not able to have a c-section what if [4:03] you are on your deathbed you need to have an abortion right now again but and it's illegal you can't [4:08] so you actually die first first and foremost c-section is safer c-section is quicker and a [4:13] c-section saves both lives a c-section the baby is already dead you just said no but even no no no [4:19] hold on a second you're saying if the baby's already dead then it doesn't have an abortion [4:22] right then you're talking about a removal of a carcass which is a completely different medical [4:26] operation you're saying that's okay if you're having if you're a hold on if you're removing a carcass of a [4:32] baby that is not an abortion by definition same process no it it's completely different during an [4:38] abortion they actually inject the spinal fluid with cyanide poisoning as the baby squirms and tries to [4:46] find its mother and it is gasping for air of life have you ever watched an abortion it is one of you [4:51] yeah actually i have and i encourage every human being to watch one to know what you are fighting [4:56] against because when you see abortion you will have your your life will be changed that we allow [5:02] the massacre of a million and a half babies a year under the guise of woman reproductive health [5:07] we are allowing babies every single year to just say you know we're going to discard them why oh they're [5:12] smaller they're not humans you're using dehumanizing language saying oh it's an embryo no that's a [5:18] baby made in the image of god deserving of protection what do you do with those children once they're [5:26] born into a bad household so now we've transitioned to like what do you do with the kids right glad we're [5:31] past the other part of the argument okay what do you do with them you know there's twice as many [5:35] people on the adoption waiting list than there are abortions every single year then they're still on [5:39] the list so you want to send a child into an orphanage is that what you want for a child is that a good [5:45] life for a child no i'm not advocating that in fact i'm advocating for to make it easier to be able to [5:50] adopt number one number two there's no such thing as an unwanted child number three it is never right to [5:57] justify the mass elimination or termination of people under the guise of saying they're unwanted [6:03] that's how we get auschwitz that's how we get the greatest horrors of the 20th century those people [6:09] are unwanted so you're comparing abortion to the holocaust absolutely i am in fact it's worse it's [6:15] worse it's really not it's 45 million babies it's nearly eight times worse than the holocaust [6:24] what's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown jew who was killed at [6:29] auschwitz what's the moral difference one is older is a person what species is the baby in the womb [6:36] it's a human but therefore they should have human rights oh they should have human rights i do not [6:43] agree oh so so small humans know human rights grown humans human rights a small human it's an embryo [6:50] you just said it was a human species it's not a living human child wait it's not a what it's not [6:55] a child but it's not a living child it's very it has a heartbeat it has brain waves make it a child [7:01] but tell me when it becomes a child then when it i already told you when it is born again so under [7:08] every other objective definition you see guys how quickly the pro-abortion arguments fall apart with just [7:13] the slightest questioning and but it our position is one rooted not in feelings not in personal [7:20] autonomy but one in biological consistency and reality that your life had an agreed upon starting [7:27] point that that starting point should be protected and preserved and the excuses given for abortion is [7:33] dehumanization oh it's just an embryo guys that's just using different language to justify the massacre [7:38] of something smaller than you that's all that it is you brought a sign up i'm sorry did you bring [7:44] a sign up yeah i did but so my name is eric i'm 70 years old i've been a born again evangelical [7:52] christian for 35 plus years praise god worship here in the valley with a bunch of uh i i was on [7:59] worship teams in the valley for quite a few churches but the holy spirit brought me here today [8:04] to prove you wrong okay and so what the holy spirit has led me to do is to try to explain to you that [8:13] i don't think you're a good godly man okay right away and and and this is why because what a godly [8:21] man does a good godly man does is stand up for people he stands he stands up for people he stands up [8:27] and even fights for people okay and i don't believe you stand up and fight for people yeah you use your [8:34] mouth and you all these kids you're good at all these kids and i didn't think you were gonna are [8:40] they are they people yeah do i fight for them and and how dare you say that after i just shared the [8:52] gospel to nearly 2 000 people here at boise state university because there's a difference between [9:04] someone who just shares the gospel and someone who's a godly man i can i can explain the difference [9:10] to you right now okay tell them tell the world why i am not a godly man because you only stand for [9:18] people who are white use evidence and male you've got where's my brother up here where's my man look [9:26] at him you gotta come up here come up here come up here come up here get over the gate come over the [9:33] gate look at this guy here look at this yeah right up to the mic you stand for me we good wait i i only [9:43] stand up for white is that a white man can you can you look at him please look at him is that a white [9:49] man is that a white man you said i only stand up for white men he's got he's got dreads are you [9:57] but you you just libeled me in front of 2 000 people saying i only i only stand up for white men [10:03] and i got a brother in christ right here how dare you say something like that i'm ready if if you [10:09] if you quit messing around i'll prove it to you right now messing around bringing up a person of [10:13] colors messing around isn't that your whole shtick are you are are you are you ready okay so yeah i'm [10:22] ready so the holy spirit the holy spirit specifically brought me here because this is the idaho this is [10:29] the old west right the holy spirit brought me here to challenge you to a gentleman's fist fight right [10:34] here in front of this whole crowd now look listen listen listen no i i i i i i i i would hate to [10:42] hospitalize you in front of 2 000 people but see see the difference is i'm a 70 year old i'm a 70 [10:52] year old man i haven't been in a fight in like 60 years however yeah does a godly man challenge [10:59] another to a duel yes okay so hold on i'm serious about this can i speak all right so look i'm telling [11:12] you i'm not up here just fighting for me the lord has come up to me to ask for fight for people that [11:16] you diss all the time like women women gay people trans people uh immigrants people of color people [11:26] of different religions a man immigrants refugees so look you seriously i'm serious you can have your [11:34] goons they can search me i'll sign a waiver i'll let you take the first punch let's go put up put up [11:42] or shut up charlie kirk you know what so first of all it says very clearly in the bible that [11:50] we you know we shouldn't harm those that you know are worthy of protection and you obviously [11:54] are you're just worried i'll kick your ass well on medicare age but let's let's play this out [12:01] despite the obvious fact and we you and i both know who would win this duel however you are hold [12:08] on a second this is a great embodiment of the american left you can't debate so you want to go to [12:13] blows you can't the only thing that is preventing us from this country from going to civil war is debate [12:20] and dialogue and you don't even want to have debate you want to go and you want to wrestle [12:23] like a seven-year-old who here's actually dividing the country so you know what that is right again [12:30] i would like to think that we are elevated above trying to go have a fight in the streets or a fight [12:37] in front of 2 000 people in fact a mark of civilization is that we don't have to go to blows [12:45] or bullets that we can have discourse and debate but yet you're inviting that and you know that out [12:49] here in the west that's a bunch of oh really you don't you don't debate out in the west [12:54] men stand up you guys believe you guys don't dialogue in the west come on man look i know [13:00] how about this why don't you since since you're a 70 year old aged elder and you want to have a [13:06] fist fight with a 31 year old is that how old you are why don't you tell me what a woman is see [13:13] i am not here to debate oh i'm here to prove you wrong prove you wrong prove him wrong so either put up [13:22] or shut up i'll walk away you tell me right now i i will say this i will say this i'm not gonna [13:31] fight you because i don't have to because you know why you don't have to you are acting as if someone [13:35] who is very desperate who is clout chasing we are going to remain peaceful while the left promotes [13:40] violence we are going to peace because as christ our lord said blessed are the peacemakers for theirs [13:48] is the kingdom of heaven thank you sir and get out of here you're a coward dude anytime [14:00] the anti-immigration rhetoric you have is not new i think that you try to paint a picture of it being [14:08] this current phenomenon that we're facing but there's been rhetoric from uh you know your side [14:13] from for a long time throughout the entirety of history i mean if we look at the immigration policies [14:18] in the u.s even though chinese immigrants built the entire western railroad there was still the chinese [14:24] exclusion act because they were providing insane value to the united states but we still had these [14:30] exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes and so this is not this is not a novel idea that you [14:36] know immigrants are bad for the country so i'm i'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need [14:43] to change the way the united states works well first of all immigration has gone in great influxes [14:49] we basically turned off all immigration in 1940s and 50s we had like net zero immigration for almost [14:54] 15 years most people don't even know that so we had ellis island in the early 1900s and then we turned [14:59] on the guzzle of immigration but let's be honest for 40 years we have tried this mass immigration [15:06] project for the last 40 years has it worked are we are we a more connected country have middle class [15:12] wages kept up or look at the material data has immigration enriched the well-being of the united [15:18] states of america especially the last five or six years i would say of course not actually we're more [15:23] divided we're more factious and we see this in almost every european country as well when you import [15:29] a bunch of people that don't speak your language that are from the third world all of a sudden you [15:33] have mass destabilization happening in your country it's not a matter of being xenophobic instead it's a [15:38] matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens not about hating the foreigner [15:43] it's about loving the citizen and your obligation is always to citizens first not foreigners so you [15:53] don't think that the magma movement has led to xenophobic attitudes at all i don't even know how to [15:58] answer that i mean like why not well because you have to first define what you mean by xenophobic attitudes [16:05] i mean just like you said you said i mean we're living in a divided world you don't think that comes from [16:11] people being anti-immigration no i think it's the opposite i think when you allow a bunch of people that [16:15] aren't native-born americans too quickly with no checks no background no idea who they are and [16:21] flood them into your towns definitionally diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community [16:27] ties if you don't use it if you don't use it i don't know that you're committed to finding its [16:31] strength hold on no explain this to me this is a good question what country has ever grown stronger [16:36] the more divided it's been none but i'm not saying that that's the point yeah that's the point no no [16:41] but but diversity definitionally will divide you unity unit unifies you you notice they never say [16:47] unity is our strength they say diversity is our strength in fact just so we are clear there is [16:52] nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak english [16:58] there's nothing racist to say that it actually means that you want to be able to communicate with [17:02] your neighbor there's nothing racist and xenophobic to say for example we don't want to import people [17:08] from a far off distant land that don't share western values that don't treat women the same [17:14] that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech so what we see is the unraveling of the [17:18] united states of america because a country is is is again just like undoubtedly a it is the people [17:26] that inhabit it so you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country sure and i but [17:30] i think that what you're talking about this like mass shift in american culture is like not happening [17:35] i think you're fear-mongering and also i i think that the united states forever has been a mix of [17:41] culture i don't really know like where you can point to a time in the u.s history that hasn't [17:47] included immigrants in its culture again from the 20s to the 1920s and 1960s we had very little [17:53] immigration in this country nearly 40 years in fact that is what largely led to us becoming a world [17:59] superpower in the 1950s is we've felt we had the bracero program back then where we brought in tons of [18:05] laborers from the united from mexico to the united states to work in agricultural and that's how we [18:10] fed the united states so again it was it was very limited in scope versus what we see today but again [18:19] i will ask a more moral question does a politician have first loyalty to its own citizens or to another [18:25] country's citizens absolutely i'm glad you brought this because i wanted to circle back to my original [18:29] question about the united states creating instability in the rest of the world i do think that every single [18:34] politician like let's say i'm the prime minister of south africa you know my my just an incredibly [18:40] anti-white country like oh my goodness dangerously anti-white okay anyway do you know about that by [18:46] the way you should apartheid yes oh no no no no no it's like they're killing white people in the streets [18:51] in south africa they're stealing farmland and do you if you don't know about that that shows how the [18:56] media's lying to all of you it is literally a mini white genocide happening in south africa right now [19:01] but i i don't think that we should no it's fine you brought up south africa not me but yes that was [19:06] just an example anyway let's stay on topic um so let's say i'm the prime minister of a country i do [19:11] agree with you that my first job is that country for sure that's who i'm leading but considering the [19:17] united states has created mass violence instability and poverty around the world you don't think that we [19:22] have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that no why not wait hold on [19:29] i i well why not define your terms where where where have we created mass stability i'll grant you [19:36] iraq that was a disaster where else in all of latin america in different countries in in africa places [19:44] that like the philippines that we colonized puerto rico yeah i mean of course i'm always so interested [19:49] in this as if it's like you can never blame those countries for not having their act together [19:54] it's somehow america's fault like oh it's america's fault that nicaragua can't get its act together [20:00] it's america's fault even though we welcome puerto rico to become u.s citizens like we've colonized [20:06] them so here's the paradox you don't think that puerto rico was colonized no no no i'm saying though [20:11] so if we don't help puerto rico we're evil when they become a territory we colonize them and we haven't [20:17] done enough it's like which one is it exactly the puerto rico was taken from the spanish as a colony and [20:22] used as a sugar farm for years where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create [20:29] sugar for the united states and it's not really about statehood or independence it's about letting [20:34] puerto rico decide that for themselves and anyway this isn't about no it's fine but it as more broadly [20:40] and i'll get to the final couple final questions here i can sense that your problem is that like [20:45] america's super successful and these other countries aren't and foundationally it's rooted in envy bitterness [20:51] and resentment because we are the world's superpower it's not because we've held anybody back it's [20:57] because we've had incredible people really good ideas the u.s has intervened in a negative way in [21:02] other countries at times yes at times we've intervened very favorably we can you at least [21:08] acknowledge at times that sure there has been aid but there's also been terrible no no not just aid [21:12] south korea exists because of american involvement kuwait exists because of american involvement but it's not [21:18] it's not so but but but to to to look at american accountability you have to look at the whole of [21:24] that accountability and and to say that certain countries are less developed purely on their own [21:31] fault is to ignore no it i can so that that's where we disagree countries have to take responsibility [21:36] for their own future which again this is one of the reasons why so many people hate israel [21:40] every other country around there is like a third world country and israel is super successful and [21:44] super agentic and they're able to be like one of the wealthiest countries on the planet you're gonna [21:49] wonder what is it that they're doing oh it's the jews because they're stealing all this money no [21:53] actually they like work super hard and they don't believe in islam and they actually and like wow and [22:00] the one place that have you ever been to those yeah actually i have been to israel and i've been to [22:05] the palestinian authority i've been to that i've been to the west bank i've actually visited it even if i [22:09] had that doesn't mean what i'm saying is wrong just for the record by the way i encourage you to try [22:13] to go to lebanon or syria not exactly the four seasons right so not great that u.s intervention [22:19] has anything to do with that partially but again to blame the evil u.s intervention on for every [22:26] single problem is at its core intellectually sloppy i don't think so because the united states has two [22:32] times the military of the rest of the world and it has been in our dna to intervene in a military way [22:39] in other countries so to say i mean you i know you believe so i i want to try to square this [22:44] all together i got to get another question just make sure i'm clear so you're mad at america for [22:48] getting involved in other people's countries right so america's bad for that but then you want everyone [22:53] to come to america i thought america's bad america i'm saying that the united states needs to be held [22:58] accountable you can't meddle so we're held accountable by inviting the entire world here if if you are going [23:03] to mess up that country you have to do something about oh do something invite them here maybe if you're [23:07] the reason that they have to leave no right then that that at its core i'm glad you articulated it [23:13] is neoconservatism which is invade the world invite the world which is that you don't support the [23:18] invasion part of it but somehow we have to invite the world as some sort of like mass penance so but [23:22] that's like you invade and then say oh no i don't i don't support the invasions i'm just i think you [23:27] are overly ascribing fault to the united states of america when in reality it's it's these own broken [23:33] countries that cannot get their own act together a great example is this and i'll close this el salvador [23:38] is because is actually safer than america that has billions of dollars flowing into el salvador [23:43] why because they elected bukele who decided to go after ms13 and clean up the streets of el salvador [23:49] which again it wasn't it was because they decided to do good things with massive action countries [23:57] can be wealthy singapore is wealthy you could be a very wealthy country if you embrace western market [24:03] ideas private property with low crime and it's not always i mean in the case of el salvador the united [24:08] states was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare and now if you look at the way [24:13] they were able to turn around they had to declare again it's of emergency again to be able to turn [24:17] things around it's just like this is where we're different and then i'll close the next then we have [24:21] to get get going i look at america as a force for good you look at everything wrong and you say it [24:27] must be america no sir i'm i'm looking at bad things that they have done and calling for accountability [24:33] okay like i i again i mean maybe we disagree i don't know i i guess i think we're a wonderful [24:39] country and i think of a country as poor they're poor by choice and they have to be able to get [24:43] their act together make better decisions and stop acting like victims all the time thank you very much [24:47] hi good afternoon i'm gonna try and keep this right on point so you guys can get going my name is dennis [24:53] i'm here with san francisco state's uh speech and debate crew our forensics crew here on sf state [24:58] and i'm hoping to engage you guys both of you it's very nice to meet you both in a fair honest debate [25:03] on pursuing truth um the points i'm going to hit today are going to be your podcast that you just [25:08] made about us about sf state as well as some of your points on religion and immigration and i like [25:16] to believe that you're hopefully here in good conscience trying to debate people fairly we're [25:21] gonna go faster man what is it i'm doing it um you called our campus an island of totalitarianism [25:28] you said you should see what these people believe what they think that sf state is much like [25:32] stalingrad or leningrad a maoist type concentration cap now look i think they could have done a little [25:41] better job with the architecture and all but also a campus that's totalitarian as you said this is [25:47] literal you said on your podcast this you did you said this i'm talking to both of you you said this on [25:53] your you said this okay i said island italitarianism but i agreed everything she said so anyways on your [25:59] podcast you said this and i don't think an island of totalitarianism would be hosting this event for you [26:05] to come debate people fairly no last time i was here they did it they only did because we threatened [26:09] to sue them that's why we're here today you know that you know do you know she was literally locked [26:14] in a room for hours because a bunch of trans zealots were threatening her life and they canceled the [26:19] event in a classroom and the university did nothing to punish the people responsible and instead sent on [26:23] an email apologizing that her presence was even came on campus what do you think about that i think that [26:28] if people should do protests peacefully trying to debate with logic and facts like we're trying to do now [26:33] and so you would condemn what happened two years ago to me on this campus i think violence is [26:40] condemnable without logic and debate but i'd like to bring up that i don't think sometimes you guys are [26:46] here fairly when you come to debate people i watched a debate that you had with texas a m where you brought [26:52] up come up come up come up come up come up come on come on up right here this mic is for you come on up [27:03] walk her up i'll say i'll say very briefly come up to the mic you said you had every intention [27:11] approaching this conversation of truth absolutely do you believe that men can get pregnant no you're [27:18] not come on up that's complex issue that i don't complex it's not a complex issue okay i'm not going [27:24] to answer that because you guys you're interested in the truth if you cannot say if men can or cannot [27:28] get pregnant you're clearly not interested in the truth i am i just i don't want to give you an [27:33] untruthful answer so i'm going to continue to my next i will give you the answer the only answer [27:37] it's no men cannot get pregnant okay i will accept that as your answer now i want to show to the crowd [27:42] this photo anyone wants to look at that charlie kirk showed at a debate at texas and m as proof that [27:48] kilmar abrigo garcia yes he has it right there is a criminal with very photoshopped very now look at [27:55] that it's called labeling do you know what a label is no trump when you drink a water bottle is that [28:00] photoshopped when it labels something and describes it it was photoshopped as labeling and [28:05] hold on these tattoos are not photoshopped they're no they're not labeled do you know the difference [28:09] between a labeling and a phone i understand please don't be condescending i have a photo of hold on [28:13] a second mr debate champion if it's if it's correct sir i'm trying to engage you in a respectful [28:19] debate please let me finish my thought if it's true that there is nothing wrong with the tattoos on his [28:24] hands why did his girlfriend blur it out in all the images she posted i cannot speak to what his [28:30] girlfriend has or hasn't done because all i can show is right here he doesn't have ms13 tattoos [28:36] literally right here has that been proven is that factual yes it is trump has used this labeling to [28:41] try and prove that he's a part of next question thank you very much okay i'm part religion will you let [28:47] me debate you on religion no we got a long line thank you all right thank you for your time i have um [28:55] i have a couple points that i want to talk about you know illegal immigration um is it okay if i write [29:01] if i say all of them with no interruption okay cool so first illegal immigrants power our economy [29:08] they're 50 percent of u.s farm workers harvesting the food on our tables and fill 70 percent of [29:12] construction jobs in states like texas they pay 13 billion annually in taxes including 2 billion to [29:18] social security that they can't claim deporting them would slash agriculture output by 60 billion and [29:25] raise food prices by 6 percent why gut our farms and wallets when these workers fuel our prosperity [29:32] that's my first point second point they strengthen our communities with lower crime rates so in texas [29:38] undocumented undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower percent homicide conviction rates so which is 2.2 per [29:46] a hundred thousand versus three for native-born citizens nationally immigrants are incarcerated at half [29:51] the rate of native born where it's 0.85 versus 1.71 uh that's according to bureau of justice statistics uh [30:00] i'm from 2019 so if safety is your goal why deport people who make our streets safer this is my third [30:07] point um mass deportation tears apart american families over 4.4 million u.s citizens uh children [30:14] have an undocumented parent and in texas one in seven kids lives in a mixed status household um okay this is [30:22] my fourth point deportation is a fiscal nightmare removing 11 million people would cost 315 to 400 [30:30] billion more than the entire homeland security budget and shrink our gdp by 1.7 trillion over 10 [30:37] years and um this is my last point our immigration system is broken pushing people to cross illegally [30:46] visa waits mexicans can exceed 20 years and the asylum blockage is 1.3 million cases with hearings [30:52] four to six years out uh okay you done that's pretty much it yeah yeah all right so without [30:59] looking at the phone look at me what should the penalty be for breaking into america i think there [31:03] should be a system where it's more merit-based so if this person penalty so what is the penalty so [31:07] what what yeah what should happen it's a film it's it's not a felony it's a miss no it is that's not [31:11] true it's 8 usc 1312 you can look it up right now it's a felony if it's done twice no no it's not [31:16] correct that is correct that is not correct it's to illegally go across the southern border with the well [31:20] intent to come in to harbor yourself into the interior of the united states the violation of [31:24] 8 usc 1312 which is a felony in the federal criminal code now it can be enforced as a misdemeanor or it [31:29] can be upwards to five years in prison now i want to know since it's a felony law in the books 8 usc 1312 [31:34] what should the penalty be um well in my opinion these kinds of like um laws are not are usually they're [31:44] they're they're they're um what do you call it they're um sorry usually the the like the um wait [32:01] sorry can i can i check my phone real quick i apologize can you can you repeat the the question [32:09] sorry what should the penalty be for someone that breaks or comes into america illegally what should [32:17] the penalty be i think there should be a a merit system where the people okay the penalty all right [32:21] let's that's not the answer it's a very simple moral and legal question okay what should the [32:25] penalty be if you come into america illegally okay so since it's a misdemeanor not a felony misdemeanors [32:31] i just i just told you it's not eight you can look up on your chat gpt what is 8 usc look up what [32:37] is 8 usc 1312 no i know i've already looked it up yes it's which is it when it's your second time [32:43] crossing the border legally then it becomes a felony it can it can be and it is enforced as a felony [32:50] and it usually is done as a misdemeanor citation because no one has the stones to do 20 million [32:56] felony you know applications okay so i just want to ask yeah what should the penalty be then for [33:04] someone that comes into this country illegally usually there's there's three ways that go about [33:11] this when there's a penalty it's there's either like a fine or there's some kind of like uh public [33:16] service that this person does um or you send them back but oh send it back i agree that's what we [33:22] should do okay okay so okay so this is this is interesting so one of the stats one of the [33:28] statistics that i read said that illegal immigrants don't cause as much as much like elite they don't [33:35] break the law as often as people who are native born that is statistic but they're all time out but [33:40] every single one of them are criminals they're all criminals they're okay sure by law by law okay no by [33:44] law of course of course if they commit less crime and they're all criminals wait a second by definition [33:50] yeah they've they all have broken the law by being here and they break the law every day by staying [33:55] here because you're actually not allowed to stay here either do you know that so every day you're [33:59] here you're actually continually breaking the law you can't break in or harbor that's what the federal [34:04] law says okay so by breaking in it's not just the only law they broke every second you remain here [34:09] you're also breaking the law so that statistic is invalidated by just them breathing here they're [34:13] breaking the law no of course not of course not so of course it makes sense for them when they're here [34:17] they're breaking the law because they're illegal immigrants obviously obviously but once they're [34:20] okay yeah of course so once they're here once they are here what kind of harm are they actually doing [34:25] when you look at the numbers a lot no no that's not true okay black wages have gone down okay in texas [34:29] duis have gone up dramatic dramatically try not to interrupt bro okay so i i i'm i'm interjecting [34:36] and i let you go uninterrupted with your whole soliloquy right thank you so so let me just let me ask [34:41] you a question though okay so if it is correct yeah that illegal aliens commit less crimes which [34:47] of course it's not correct that is correct look it up in texas they made a study in 2019 is any [34:52] percent is any crime it's just not correct i'm not going to debate that it's it's i just i just proved [34:57] it at its face because they commit a crime by being here every day that is a crime okay once they are [35:01] here what kind of crimes are they committing which is okay well they're they're 26 percent do you know [35:05] you know the name laken riley no educate me oh you don't no no do you know wow do you know the [35:13] name rachel morin no i don't wow okay so laken riley was a girl at the university of georgia okay there [35:23] was a peeping tommy a legal alien that was deported five times prior and biden kept on letting him [35:27] back in he hunted her down her sodomized her and murdered her on a hiking trail university of georgia [35:33] okay so one person doesn't represent all on a second every person who is killed by an illegal [35:37] alien is one that should not happen every single one of course and also the ones that are native born [35:42] everyone and so that's the point is that it's not a matter of the rate native born the the rate even [35:47] if i accept your premise which is incorrect the rate is irrelevant the number is what's relevant there [35:53] should be zero illegal aliens there should be zero americans being killed by illegals not to mention [35:58] there's six other problems with the illegal aliens they steal social security numbers they depress wages [36:03] they are heavily involved by the way not to mention a lot of people that cross on the southern [36:08] border are also smuggling girls weapons and drugs alongside the southern border when they come it's [36:12] the largest slavery operate slavery operation in american history that many illegal aliens helped make [36:17] possible on the southern border and i guess the final question i'll have is should a government serve [36:23] its citizens first and foremost yeah of course of course well okay there's many there's been many people [36:29] who are like very political leaders who have said that this place is built off of immigrants oh is [36:34] it well hold on let's think about that was um was um first of all it's legal not illegal but was america [36:40] founded by immigrants or settlers settlers that's not an immigrant yeah yeah okay and that's not my [36:45] point my point is that you brought up the nation built by immigrants yeah we're actually not because [36:50] the political leaders have said that this place is built yeah and they're they're wrong they're wrong [36:55] political leaders are wrong george w bush is wrong all these political leaders who have built america [37:00] by the way the first person to say that was how is that wrong when illegal immigrants make i just they [37:04] grow the economy statistically allow me again allow me to build it out for you sure immigrants have [37:10] helped at times in american history but we are first and foremost a nation founded by settlers [37:14] immigrants come to a country already built settlers come to a barren place and build something new [37:19] right this land was barren when people came in the 1840s gold rush this was not an easy place to live [37:25] california was not exactly industrialized there was not immigrants coming west to california those [37:30] were settlers building a new place around you know western western values finally i would just ask [37:35] the question do you see a moral distinction between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant [37:40] well the argument is that they're cutting in line like their argument is that they're cutting [37:44] in line in the 20-year process that it would take for someone to be to cross it's not 20. [37:48] at most it's 20. at most it's 20. right now there's around like 1.2 million people who are [37:53] currently waiting that would take six to seven years for a hearing and by the way no one has a [37:56] right to come to this country just to be clear let me stay on track of what i was going to say [38:01] okay so so people people who come here usually almost all the time when they come here it's [38:07] they benefit society they benefit society there's studies that have done this not necessarily okay not [38:13] necessarily but overall in general but i fundamentally disagree with that you can't disagree with the [38:19] fact hold on do you think elan omar has enriched the united states of america i don't know do you [38:26] think rashida talib uh-huh i mean i could go through person by person by person so i don't know these [38:31] people are these people who have like are illegal immigrants that have caused harm yeah again if you [38:35] don't know i don't need to pick on you it's fine okay but i i guess the final question is do you have [38:40] any concern that there are too many people coming into this country and we're a nation of strangers not [38:46] a nation of neighbors if the people who are coming are creating america making it more growing like [38:50] the economy is growing then what harm is that doing especially if the people are coming in an [38:54] economy though aren't we we're a culture we're a language yeah of course okay so let's talk about [38:58] that front when they come here they don't have any kind of they're not committing as more more [39:02] crimes than the people who are already here that is we've already dispelled that but that is not you [39:06] can't spell a statistic let's say california do you think there's anything wrong that a majority of [39:11] young people in california speak spanish not english is there wait sorry do you think there's anything [39:15] wrong or troubling to the fact that a majority of people under the age of 30 here in the state [39:19] speak spanish spanish not english um is there a problem with that well yeah everyone should be [39:24] able to have a ability to communicate with the rest of the crowd so i guess i don't know what the big [39:29] issue of that yeah i think it's a huge problem when we have a nation where you can't communicate [39:33] okay simple solution teach them how to speak english what is your yeah our schools don't do that [39:38] actually and also have a better solution don't import a bunch of people that don't speak english [39:43] you mean importing people who actually grow the economy don't reject i reject your premise [39:49] that's not a premise that's a study that's been done do you know what a premise is i don't actually [39:53] care as much about economic growth because you don't care about we're one nation under gd we're not one [39:58] nation or gdp we're a nation under god when we lose social cohesion and you import a bunch of people [40:04] that don't share our values that don't necessarily always assimilate that's a major and serious problem [40:10] and we are we are a people first and foremost with a creed and that creed is falling apart mass [40:15] migration has not helped that creed yes they might buy more trinkets they might help depress wages [40:20] mass migration of course all good things all great things for america well they help major corporations [40:25] but you know what they also do they keep down the wages of working people if you are a plumber yes of [40:30] course if you think about your plumber electrician or a welder and you have to compete against someone [40:34] from nicaragua who's willing to do it for five bucks less an hour that depresses the wages of the american [40:39] citizen right yeah so there's been studies that done that also like counteract that illegal immigrants [40:45] well let's use our reason legal no let's use our studies let's use our statistics how about our [40:49] reason so we've had mass migration for 20 years have wages gone up i don't know no they haven't [40:57] actually so forget your studies for 10 years we've had for 10 years we've had 30 million people come [41:02] into america wages have gone down dramatically maybe there's a reason why okay okay so what i encourage [41:11] you to do just because there's a study that confirms you should use your reason and look [41:16] actually at self-evident truths be like huh does that make sense can you name these things are [41:21] self-evident well not always statistics are very misleading yes like for example i could say did you [41:27] know that 600 people a year die because of seat belts well that's a misleading statistic because over [41:32] a hundred thousand lives are saved by seat belts that's an incomplete statistic okay so where's the so [41:37] that's a gray area so where's the gray area where people are talking about where 26 percent of illegal [41:42] immigrants who come here commit less crimes than native born we have how many times have you been [41:46] over this that's just not correct that is correct that is every single crime it doesn't matter [41:51] this is a study that was done in texas the most diverse again second most diverse state every crime [41:56] in illegal commits is one that should never have happened it is a period of course they should not be [42:00] here so i don't care about the rate the rate is irrelevant so let me just ask one final question is [42:05] relevant someone broke into the country and cut in line what should happen to them well they get [42:10] they're given ideally there's a system ideally there's a system that's merit-based where these [42:14] people then become part of the part of the citizen like they become a legal citizen yeah i mean we have [42:20] clarity but not agreement i say deport them all back to their country of origin and put americans first [42:25] that's not an appropriate solution when well the american people voted for it and it is appropriate [42:29] it isn't appropriate because most of the people that do come here illegally contribute positively [42:33] again not again dude statistically everything backs this you're not listening to anything i'm [42:39] saying that's fine they take jobs from americans they depress wages they steal social security numbers [42:45] they commit a crime every single day that they're here they flood our public schools they flood our [42:49] social services they flood our hospitals they are a burden on the taxpayer they should go back and [42:54] make their own country great again and apply and become a legal immigrant if they want to live here [42:59] thank you very much thank you next question yeah i'm just here to talk about abortion but the first [43:17] my first question was um why should women who are raped have to give birth to that baby yeah i think [43:26] it's as simple as do you believe life matters or not i mean is it because it has a heartbeat when it is [43:33] conceived well um exactly right so what what is the what is the question you're asking i'm saying that my question [43:44] to you is do you believe that life matters i do believe life matters after the person is born [43:50] oh after the person's so okay so here we go if um if riley were to be pregnant or if any woman were to [43:57] be pregnant right now and there's a baby that's 20 weeks develop is that baby alive no i mean not [44:05] physically is it i mean it's wait so it has a heartbeat it can hear the mom's voice has its own fingerprint [44:11] its own dna it can empty its own bladder what about it is not alive the fact if it doesn't have [44:18] a heartbeat at 20 weeks it does it so heartbeats start at six weeks right so i'm talking about a 20 [44:24] week baby 20 week year old baby how is that not alive i mean we i guess we see it different ways but [44:31] i mean in my in how i see it you have to cut an umbilical cord to get that child out and i feel like [44:37] if the if that child is still attached to the mother if the mother is still the mother has to eat to feed [44:42] the baby if the mother if the child is still living on the baby inside of the mother it should not like [44:48] it isn't alive well a mother has to feed a baby months and months and months and months after the [44:53] baby is already like on this planet but there the mother is feeding the baby this baby when is inside [45:01] are they feeding so what about someone on a feeding tube if you don't feed them through their feeding [45:05] tube are they not worthy of life how old is that person are they are they born like have they been born [45:11] yet but why does the moral worth of a human being matter whether they're born or not um probably [45:17] well the point that i was trying to get out with it the point that i was trying to get out with it [45:24] is that women shouldn't have to be forced to give birth to that child if they're if they don't want to [45:33] that's the point i was just trying to get out there okay um let's say i have two ultrasounds here [45:39] one of the baby dolphin fetus again one of them is a baby conceived in rape the other one is a baby [45:46] conceived in a loving relationship which one is which it's up to them no but which one is which i [45:52] can't tell the difference help me out i'm not saying that there's a difference between those two exactly [45:56] so they both deserve human rights no i'm saying that if a mother doesn't want to give birth to her [46:02] child she shouldn't have to okay so should you be able to commit murder of a newborn if you don't want [46:07] the baby anymore no you would why well then what's the difference you wouldn't have the child if you [46:11] didn't want it that's the point of abortion well hold on i will i hope you never have an abortion [46:19] actually abortion's really bad my body my choice that's the thing well hold on if if it's your body [46:25] your choice and i'll let riley chime in your choice because you're a man and you get to make those [46:28] well hold on time out well you want to say that to riley riley's a woman too so say the same statement [46:33] to her say the same statement to her but i'm no your logic must be equally applicable to all sexes [46:37] say that same statement i'm saying that she can say the same statement to her i'm not saying that [46:40] statement to you i'm saying that you just said it to me no i'm saying you as a man should not have [46:44] you should have the rights to choose whether i can okay does she have the rights to choose [46:47] for you no one has the right to choose from okay so it's not a man thing that's what i'm saying [46:52] it's a man because trump is in charge and he is the one he said that he is the reason that roe v wade [46:56] is overturned he said praise the lord roe versus wade is overturned in what way like it also kills [47:03] other women and you know we have more babies being born in texas than ever before since the [47:07] abolition of abortion isn't that a good thing that's that's why we have such a high population [47:10] that's why we have 12 million people yes we do we have a declining population we have a population [47:15] collapse what are you talking about the world is on the the world is on the verge of a like [47:19] population extinction event we don't have enough babies we're below replacement levels in the west [47:23] so you want to make women not make okay let's go through fundamental biology how do people get [47:28] pregnant i i know how a woman gets pregnant so if you decide to have sex you might win a certain [47:33] prize what if you don't decide i'm sorry what what if you do not decide to have sex and get raped [47:37] again it's still a human life you don't get to have you don't get to kill a baby just because a human [47:41] life occurs something evil rape does not get better when another evil action occurs and i will say this [47:48] somebody in this audience was conceived in rape can you tell me who it doesn't matter who that's the [47:53] thing that's the thing is they're all human i'm not saying that they're not a human life i'm saying the [47:56] mother should have the choice whether she got it no but let's you said they're not a human life so they're a [48:00] human life therefore an abolition of an extermination of human life is called what murder so yes abortion [48:06] is murder even the case of rape and that's a hard thing to internalize it doesn't matter so you're [48:11] saying it's a child but it's not what species is it it is a human but ah okay but is it a has the child [48:17] formed yet but but hold on you're not fully formed riley's not fully formed i'm not fully formed we [48:23] actually go through this process of development our entire life an embryo is just one stage upon human [48:28] development it doesn't mean you get less rights just because you're earlier in the human development [48:31] scale i mean i feel like i do have more rights than a baby that is in someone why does your age give you [48:41] more rights over an embryo why do you the ability to eliminate a smaller human why is that morally [48:49] consistent i'm not saying that it's better because it is a smaller human i'm saying that oh my god i'm [48:55] saying that women themselves should have the choice to get yeah that's why i should have the choice [49:05] riley do you want to take this as a woman yeah i mean this is it's just a flawed logic uh to insinuate [49:11] that if you have a heartbeat uh these certain qualifications that is what determines human [49:16] rights the moment you're conceived you are a human right we we all just agreed that the species is a [49:23] homo sapien you are a human at that point that's when human rights begin so i think it's um ironic [49:29] that the other side who who touts human rights who claims to fight for human rights um they don't [49:35] they don't believe those belong to to children and as a woman um i believe every single life is worthy [49:42] every life matters i mean there are so many women out there who do get pregnant and because of laws that [49:57] there are in place they cannot have an abortion and they have to give birth to that baby many women [50:02] that are pregnant i'm not going to say i'm not saying all of them i'm saying some of them [50:05] are drug addicts some of them just physically can't financially keep a child what is the solution [50:10] adoption but the thing is that do you do you know how many kids are actually adopted from [50:14] adoption do you know how many women struggle with infertility who would love to adopt a baby [50:18] 25 of these kids get adopted before they are 18 and the kids that do not get adopted are let go from the [50:23] adoption agency and they do not like know what they're doing not that they don't know what they're [50:26] doing there certainly could be reforms within the foster care community and within the the adoption [50:32] system but there are are plenty and plenty and plenty of of families of women uh who are are hoping [50:39] to be able to adopt because they can't conceive on their own but 25 like only no only 25 then there [50:45] should be a reform it's not for a lack of willingness what are you going to do about it there's not a [50:48] do you want to say that we can't have an abortion but many children are not finding homes until they're [50:52] 18 and a lot of these kids once they're let go from that's often these become homeless become drug [50:56] addicts because you say that we can't have abortion but you are not doing anything but first of all [51:00] number one exactly so well what am i supposed to do i'm 16. okay so again so the the essence of this [51:09] again and i'll we'll wrap this up there's twice as many people on the adoption waiting list than there are [51:14] actually being adopted twice as many so the adoption waiting list is very long you just [51:19] have to make it easier to adopt adoption reform well then that means that only 50 percent of these [51:22] kids would be adopted and there are still 50 percent of these children which are i think she missed i [51:28] i think you missed the point that's okay thank you for your time we'll get to the next question thank you