Tolosa, ilang beses inulit ang tanong sa witness matapos ang 'evasive' na pagsagot nito — GMA News

[0:00] The continuing authority, that it be granted to Attorney Amira, Julia Tumupon, our assisting counsel for today, [0:07] so that he could approach the witness when necessary to confront him with documents. [0:11] Similar authority is given to assisting counsel from the respondent. [0:14] Yes, Your Honor. And that, Attorney Marius Kimberly Almonte, who's situated in the tech booth right now, [0:22] that she be allowed to flash the same documents that will be handed to the witness on the screen. [0:28] Authority is only granted to the tech person in the tech, rather. [0:32] May proceed, Your Honor. [0:33] You may proceed, sir. [0:34] Thank you, Your Honor. Good afternoon. May I call you, Engineer Adeline, sir? [0:40] Yes, sir. [0:41] So, Engineer, a while ago, please correct me if I'm wrong, but you positively asserted that the property covered by TCT No. 146-2024-01-0775 [1:05] is the same property indicated in the 2024 and 2025 salens of the Vice President, [1:15] which is described as having a location of Barangay 74-8 Davao City. Is that correct? [1:25] That's correct, sir. [1:26] For brevity, Your Honor, every time I will be talking about the TCT, I'm referring to TCT No. 146-2024-010-775, [1:37] which has been admitted in evidence as exhibit P-R-2-4-1-LRA of the prosecution. [1:44] Okay. And your basis for making this claim is that basically three things. [1:55] So, you stated one, they're located in the same barangay, right? [2:02] According to you, the barangay is Barangay Matina Crossing, which is the same as Barangay 74-8. [2:12] And second, you said they had the same assessed value. [2:16] And third, you mentioned they had the same fair market value. [2:20] With this three information, you concluded that they pertain to the exact same property. [2:27] Is that correct? [2:28] You're correct, sir. [2:29] Okay. Now, do you already have a copy of the salens with you? [2:40] The 2024-2025? [2:42] I don't have a copy, sir. [2:44] Your Honor, we will hand the witness a copy of this salens, Your Honor. [2:53] For the record, these have been previously admitted in evidence as prosecutions [2:57] P-Roman numeral-2-1-1-Q and R. [3:25] So, please refer to the salen for the year ending 2024. [3:33] Okay, sir. [3:34] Yes, sir. [3:36] Please go to the line pertaining to the property that you identified a while ago. [3:41] So, that one with the location, Barangay 74-8, Davao City. [3:50] Page 3 of 5, sir? [3:52] Yes, that's correct. [3:53] Okay. [3:54] Describe a lot residential, Barangay 74-8. [3:58] Yes. [3:58] Pre-reference, may we ask the book to please reflect it. [4:01] Okay. [4:01] Thank you. [4:03] Okay. [4:03] So, you'll admit that actually, as I pointed out by the good presiding officer a while ago, [4:09] the acquisition cost indicated in the salen was 10 million pesos, correct? [4:16] Pardon, sir? [4:17] The acquisition cost of that property as reflected and disclosed in the salen is 10 million pesos, correct? [4:26] Again, I'm not aware actually of the selling price of 10 million. [4:31] I'm asking you about the acquisition cost indicated in the salen. [4:40] Engineer Jimmy, base po sa salen na nasa harap nyo, para sa 2024 ng Vice President, ano po yung nakalagay na acquisition cost? [4:46] Ang nakalagay po dito, as per record, is 10 million, sir. [4:54] Okay, thank you. [4:56] And since you're the City Assessor of Davao, you remember, you stated a while ago, [5:03] that several documents pertaining to the sale of this property were in your custody, [5:10] in the custody of your office. [5:14] So, you mentioned this includes the title of the property, is that correct? [5:18] You're correct, sir. [5:19] Is it correct that the e-car was also provided to your office? [5:27] You're correct, sir. [5:28] Yes, okay. [5:29] So, Your Honor, may we ask that the e-car dated July 24, 2024, [5:39] which was admitted in evidence as the prosecution's P-Roman numeral number 2-4-1-A-LRA, [5:48] be provided to the witness. [5:50] Okay. [6:24] So, this property, would you confirm that this pertains to a property located in Huna Subdivision, [6:38] Matina Crossing, Talomo, Davao City, Davao del Sur? [6:44] Probably, yes, sir, as indicated in this e-car. [6:49] Probably, yes, or an affirmative yes, sir? [6:53] Pardon, sir? [6:53] So, we don't have to guess you. [7:00] Let's be certain. [7:01] Please refer to the contents of that document so you could give us an affirmative answer. [7:06] Okay. [7:06] That is the location or the address indicated in that document. [7:12] As per location, it is Huna Subdivision, Matina Crossing, Talomo, Davao City, Davao del Sur, sir. [7:20] Okay. [7:22] And you would refer, you would also admit that this refers to the title 20-13. [7:32] Just refer to it as ending in 0775, Council. [7:37] For this, Your Honor, it's ending 766. [7:41] Ah, the one cancelled. [7:43] Yes, Your Honor. [7:43] Okay. [7:43] Yes. [7:44] The one cancelled. [7:45] We object to your order. [7:46] No basis to your order. [7:47] It is in the document, Your Honor, and the witness already confirmed that that is correct. [7:51] You already clearly said, yes. [7:52] The two rolled, cancelled, witnessed my answer, and already did. [7:55] And now, you'll admit that that title is the same title that you explained a while ago, [8:02] which was cancelled when the property covered by it was sold to a certain Manese Scarpio, [8:10] which was then covered by TCT ending 0775, correct? [8:16] Yes, that is correct, sir, as indicated in the tax declaration number. [8:19] Okay, thank you. [8:20] And now, you'll admit that in this Certificate Authorizing Registration... [8:25] Number 463? [8:30] Yeah, the same Certificate Authorizing Registration, no? [8:34] That you would see here the total selling price of 6 million pesos. [8:51] I don't have a data on that, sir. [8:57] I approached the witness to guide him wrong. [9:00] Thank you. [9:03] Deal of sale? [9:12] Okay, as indicated in this e-card. [9:13] Okay, thank you. [9:24] So, first, as you've confirmed, the total selling price is 6 million pesos. [9:31] Yeah, correct, sir. [9:31] Okay. [9:32] And this e-card, this was issued in connection with the purchase of the property by Manese Scarpio, correct? [9:45] The witness would be incompetent to answer that, sir. [9:50] Your Honor, that's reflected in the e-card. [9:52] And as he has confirmed a while ago, these documents were in his custody in relation to the transfer of this property. [10:00] Witness my answer. [10:03] I actually don't have the copy of what is being attached during the transaction made. [10:09] There is... [10:10] Can you refer to it and you will see the name of the buyer indicated in the e-card? [10:18] Again, ito kasing car is not a document that we are producing. [10:25] That is not my question, sir. [10:27] The same way that when you were asked to identify certain figures in the SAL-N by the Council of Defense a while ago, [10:36] we're asking you just to do the same thing. [10:38] Can you confirm the contents of the document before you, which you've already confirmed, is in the custody of your office? [10:44] Objection, Your Honor. [10:45] No basis and argumentative, Your Honor. [10:48] I don't think I need to respond. [10:50] I'll allow it. [10:51] I'll allow it, counsel. [10:52] Kung alam niyo po ang kasagutan at engineer, Jimmy. [10:56] Again, as for document, and as indicated in the tax declaration where it reflects the tax declaration that we are issuing, [11:05] and probably that is the same, I may say, sir. [11:11] Your Honor. [11:12] Yes. [11:13] You're quite fond of using the word probably, no? [11:16] But again, we don't have to venture into probabilities. [11:20] Let's talk about facts. [11:21] I'm asking you the name of the buyer clearly indicated in that e-card, sir. [11:28] Would you please confirm that the name of the buyer indicated in that document is Manasse Scarpio? [11:36] As presented in this document? [11:38] Yes, sir. [11:39] Thank you. [11:39] So now, you already know, based on that e-card, which is again in their custody, the acquisition value of that property, which is 6 million. [11:50] Correct? [11:51] Objection, Your Honor. [11:52] Again, based on the document. [11:53] Asking and answered, Your Honor. [11:54] The question on cost of acquisition has been answered multiple times. [11:58] Ask and answered, counsel. [11:59] Move on. [12:00] We will take that, that the cost of acquisition is 6 million. [12:03] Aside from that… [12:04] We move to strike that, Your Honor. [12:06] I thought the objection is ask and answered. [12:09] Ask and answered, but you cannot make a conclusion of law either, counsel. [12:14] So, it's tricky enough. [12:15] Move on, counsel. [12:15] We submit, Your Honor. [12:16] We submit. [12:16] So, and you would also admit, based on this e-card, what was purchased was not just a bare lot, it also included an improvement. [12:25] Correct? [12:29] As indicated in this e-card, sir. [12:31] Yes. [12:31] Thank you. [12:32] Okay. [12:33] So, now, let's go to the SAL-N for year ending 2024 of the Vice President. [12:50] You would admit that with respect to the property in the location, Barangay 74-A, Davao City, what was declared there was just a lot. [13:01] There is no separate declaration for any improvement or building. [13:06] Correct, sir? [13:07] As indicated in this SAL-N, it is a residential lot. [13:14] A lot. [13:16] Correct? [13:18] Yes, sir. [13:18] Yes. [13:19] Okay. [13:19] And as you've mentioned a while ago, the acquisition is not 6 million, it is 10 million. [13:24] Correct? [13:26] As indicated in this SAL-N, sir. [13:28] Okay. [13:51] Again, you also stated that one of your bases for saying that the property indicated in the TCT and the one declaring in the SAL-N pertain to one and the same property, [14:02] is that they are in the same barangay, 74-A. [14:06] You're correct, sir. [14:07] Yes. [14:08] So, you're aware that the size of that barangay is around, let me see, 5,000 square kilometers? [14:20] Will you admit that? [14:22] I don't have a record for now, sir. [14:24] Okay. [14:24] But insofar as you're aware, since you referred to all of these maps pertaining to that barangay, as an assessor, you stated your office had to do field investigation, tax mapping, etc. [14:43] Will you admit that more or less, that is the size of that barangay? [14:46] Ask and answer, Your Honor. [14:49] The witness already mentioned... [14:50] If he knows, if he can answer, alam niyo po ba yung sagot, Engineer Jimmy, o hindi? [14:54] Kung hindi po, sabihin niyo rin pong hindi. [14:56] Again, I don't have a record with me, sir. [15:00] So, you can't even give an estimate? [15:02] Argumentative, Your Honor. [15:04] You're on a probing question, Your Honor. [15:07] No, it's argumentative. [15:10] Engineer Jimmy, 94-A is a barangay. [15:16] Hindi po ba? [15:16] Isang buong barangay yun. [15:17] No, 74-A rather. [15:20] Isang buong barangay yun, hindi po ba? [15:22] Yes, Your Honor. [15:23] Kung saan maraming mga ari-ariyang nandun, hindi po ba? [15:27] Yes, Your Honor. [15:28] Hindi lang naman po itong ari-ariyang ito, ending in TCT-0775 ang laman ito, hindi po ba? [15:33] Yes, Your Honor. [15:35] So, yun lamang po naman ang tinatanong ni Atty. Tolosa. [15:39] Malaking barangay ito, at paano nyo nalaman at nasabi na ito nga yung parehong ari-ariyan ng Vice President na dineklara sa kanyang salin? [15:47] Dahil barangay lamang naman po yung pinangalanan. [15:50] Hindi po kasi tulad sa Maynila, hindi ba? [15:51] Na merong, numero po yung bahay eh. [15:54] May street yung bahay. [15:56] Sa probinsya po kasi madalas, hindi ba? [15:58] Barangay lang yung binabanggit. [15:59] Kahit ito kami, barangay lang din address namin eh. [16:01] Sa probinsya eh. [16:02] So, paano nyo po matitiyak? [16:04] Dahil wala naman po numero yung bahay, walang kalye, na ito nga po yung property yung tinutukoy sa salin na kanina nyo po pinag-uusapan. [16:11] Base po doon sa property identification map. If you will overlay that property identification map to the Google, makikita po nyo na doon siya nakalagay. [16:25] And as far as the term 74-A, again, as I've mentioned, sa aming comprehensive land use plan, nakalagay ang 74-A. [16:38] So, pinagbabasiyan nyo yung mapa? [16:41] Yes, Your Honor. [16:41] Yung mapa ng lokasyon ng property mismo? [16:44] Yes, Your Honor. [16:44] Na covered by TCT ending in 0775? [16:48] You're correct, Your Honor. [16:50] Your witness attorney, sir. [16:51] So, to clarify, what you're stating na sinasabi nyo kaya nyo i-identify, specifically, dito sa property identification map nyo, itong shaded in red, in 910, [17:06] nasabi nyo na-identify nyo, yan ang property, you're pertaining to the property stated in the TCT. [17:14] Tama ho ba? [17:15] Your correction. [17:15] Dahil sa TCT, nakalagay ang coordinates nyan. Tama ho ba? [17:18] Your correction. [17:19] Yes, no? At kapag binangga mo sa tax declaration, nandiyan yung block number, lot number, street, etc. Tama ho ba? [17:26] You're correct, sir. [17:27] Okay. Pero lahat ng mga impormasyon na yan, wala yan sa SAL-N. Tama ho ba? [17:33] Other than the barangay, hindi mo makikita yung coordinates na yan. Tama ho ba, engineer? [17:39] Ang nakalagay po sa SAL-N as per document is 74-A. [17:43] Exactly. So, ang nakalagay lang ang barangay, ang exact coordinates ng property, wala sa SAL-N. Tama ho ba? [17:50] Yes, I may say so. [17:51] Yes. So, hindi nakalagay block number, lot number. Tama ho ba? [17:55] Sorry. [17:57] Paki-ulit po yung tanong. [18:03] Yes, yes. [18:04] So, dyan sa SAL-N na yan, hindi rin nakalagay anong block number or lot number, anong property indicated in that SAL-N. Tama ho ba? [18:15] Asking answered, Your Honor. [18:16] Not yet, Your Honor. A while ago, he was asked about the coordinates as reflected in the TCT. [18:24] Yan, hindi po nakalagay. [18:25] Yes. So, just confining your identification to the information indicated in the four corners of the SAL-N, there's no way for you to say that this property marked as 910 is that property located in the SAL-N, correct? [18:44] Objection, Your Honor. Misleading and argumentative, Your Honor. [18:47] Very wrong, Your Honor. [18:48] We will allow it, Council. [18:51] Chair would also like to hear the answer of the witness. [18:53] Please answer, Engineer Jimmy, kung alam niyo po yung sagot sa tanong. [18:56] Probably, the similarity is the asset value, ah, the incorrect asset value in the market value. [19:03] Your Honor made motion to strike for not being responsive. [19:05] That's the answer of the witness, Your Honor. [19:07] Yes, but if it's not responsive, clearly under the rules, it should be stricken of the record. [19:11] Sir, no? Simple lang ho ang tanong dito. [19:14] Ang tinatanong ko lang ho dito, tulad ng sinabi niyo, ang nilalaman lamang na location indicated in the SAL-N is Barangay 74A. [19:25] As you've confirmed, hindi nakalagay dyan yung mga technical description indicated in the TCT. [19:32] Hindi man lang nakalagay dyan ang street, hindi din nakalagay ang block number, lot number. [19:38] Considering, wala yung information na yan dito sa SAL-N at ang nakalagay lang ang barangay. [19:45] Hindi mo pwedeng sabihin dito sa property identification map mo na yung property indicated in that SAL-N [19:53] as located in Barangay 74A, ay ito yung 910 na minarkahan in red. [19:59] Tama ho ba? [20:00] The question is big, Your Honor. [20:02] There are numerous factual premises upon which the question is based. [20:07] That does not make it big. [20:08] I think the witness counsels, please. [20:11] It's our first day. [20:12] I think the witness is intelligent enough to be able to answer the question. [20:17] Engineer Jimmy? [20:17] Yes, Senator Judge Lacson, you might be able to help abbreviate, please. [20:22] Yes, to help abbreviate, yes, Mr. Presenting Officer. [20:26] Engineer Jimmy, pakikonvince nyo lang yung court na yung pinag-uusapan property na naka-declare sa SAL-N [20:34] ay yung the same property na pinag-uusapan kanina pa. [20:39] Yun lang pong gusto namin. [20:40] Okay, if the tax declaration is being attached to the SAL-N, that could be very easy to identify. [20:49] Kasi yung deed of sale as presented, nakareflect doon yung title, a formal title. [20:59] So, again, itong SAL-N kasi is a document na hindi kami naman na nag-produce. [21:08] Yes, tama ho. [21:09] So, tulad nga nang sabi nyo, kung sanang naka-attach ang tax declaration sa SAL-N, [21:15] mapipinpoint mo sana yung location. [21:17] Pero hindi ho naka-attach sa SAL-N. Ano ho? [21:21] Tama ho? [21:22] Again, um... [21:23] Sir, napakasimple, huwag po tayong magpaikot-ikot. [21:26] Napakasimple ho ng tanong ko. [21:28] Sinabi nyo, kung sanang naka-attach ang tax declaration sa SAL-N, [21:33] mapipinpoint mo sana yung actual location. [21:36] Yan ho ang sagot nyo. [21:38] Ngayon, pinapakonfirm ko lang ho sa inyo. [21:40] So, yung SAL-N na yan, hindi ho naka-attach ang tax declaration. [21:44] Tama ho ba? [21:45] Asking answered, Your Honor? [21:46] Not yet answered, Your Honor. [21:48] Not yet, Attorney London. [21:52] Allow the Chair. [21:54] Engineer Jimmy. [21:56] Yes, Your Honor. [21:58] Pusibli po na yung titolo ending in 000775 [22:03] ay ito po yung binabanggit ng Vice President sa kanyang SAL-N. [22:07] Pusibli po yun? [22:08] Yes, posibli po. [22:10] Pusibli rin hindi. [22:14] I'm not quite sure of that, sir. [22:15] Kaya, hindi ka, meaning in the realm of possibilities, [22:20] ang sinasabi kasi ng prosecution, hindi ito yan. [22:23] Ang sinasabi ng depensa ng respondent, ito yan. [22:27] So, at the very least, can you say, posibling ito yan? [22:31] Okay, ganito po siguro. [22:32] Kung ma, yung assessed value at yung market value. [22:36] At yung sama pang binabanggit nyo, [22:38] nung titolo ending in 0775. [22:42] Tama po? [22:43] Yes, Your Honor. [22:44] Ayan, isa pa pong tanong. [22:45] Ito pong 82,046 na assessed value. [22:49] Ito po ba'y specific sa lupang ito na 379 square meters? [22:55] O meron po bang ibang ari-arian doon na may ganto rin pong assessed value? [23:01] Subdivision po ba ito na iisa lang ang sukat? [23:05] Dati po siyang subdivision. [23:07] Iisa lang po ba ang sukat? [23:08] At meron po bang iba pang properties sa inyong talaan na may assessed value na 82,046? [23:15] Kasi napaka-specific po naman ang 82,046 pesos. [23:20] And not that I'm aware, Your Honor. [23:23] Iba-iba po ba yung assessed value? [23:24] Specific po ba yun sa kada lupa, kada lote? [23:27] You're correct, Your Honor. [23:29] Hindi po siya magkakatugma? [23:31] Possibly po kung magkakaiba po ang area. [23:34] At yung mga adjustment po. [23:36] Ganon din po sa fair market value. [23:38] Iba-iba din po yun at specific din po yan sa lupa? [23:41] You're correct, Your Honor. [23:42] Can you say with certainty na unique po, kakaiba, [23:45] at walang kahalintulad itong 82,046 na assessed value [23:50] at saka 2,051,150 pesos na fair market value? [23:57] Most probably, Your Honor. [23:58] Okay. Your witness, attorney, Tulosa. [24:00] Thank you. [24:01] Again, going back to my question. [24:03] Sir, hapaka-simple lang po nang tinatanong ko sa inyo. [24:06] Sir, huwag na po tayo magpaikot-ikot. [24:08] Tinatanong ko lang sa inyo, [24:09] kung titignan niyo lang yung salin sa harap niyo [24:12] at nakalagay lang dyan barangay 74A, [24:14] hindi nyo masasabi na ang property na nakadeklara dyan, [24:19] yung nasa barangay 74A, [24:21] hindi nyo masasabing ito yan, [24:23] yung property sa property identification map [24:26] na nakamark ng red number 910. [24:28] Tama ho ba? [24:29] Objection, Your Honor. [24:30] This question has been answered several times. [24:33] Your Honor, he has been repeatedly trying to dodge that question. [24:37] That's why I am asking him to give a katecorical... [24:39] I'm asked and answered, counsel. [24:41] Senator Judge Aquino. [24:42] Your Honor, may we ask what was the answer given, please? [24:49] Respectfully, Your Honor. [24:51] Senator Judge Aquino. [24:52] Kindly, attorney, [24:53] kindly allow Senator Judge Aquino. [24:55] Marami salamat, Mr. Presiding Officer. [24:58] Alam nyo po, magdadalawang oras na po tayo sa one property na ito. [25:02] Gusto ko lang pong linawin. [25:04] Engineer, [25:05] kayo po ang city assessor ng Davao City. [25:08] Correct? [25:08] Tama po? [25:09] You're correct, Your Honor. [25:10] Okay. [25:11] Noong kayo po'y sinupina, [25:13] chinek nyo po ba [25:14] ang lahat ng ari-arian ni Vice President Sarah sa Barangay 74A? [25:20] Na-check nyo po ba yan? [25:21] Or hindi nyo po? [25:23] Ito lang particular lot ang na-check ninyo [25:26] o na-check nyo sa Barangay 74A [25:28] kung ilan talaga yung kanyang properties? [25:31] Hindi ko na po, chinek, [25:32] kasi doon na po nakalagay sa Subfina [25:35] yung Pacific Title ending 0775. [25:38] So, hindi nyo po masasabi. [25:39] Kasi kung na-check nyo po yan, [25:40] pwede nyo sabihin, [25:41] isa lang yung kanyang property sa Barangay 74A. [25:45] Hindi nyo po masasabi yun ngayon? [25:47] Hindi po. [25:47] But kung ito po kasing e-car na ito, [25:51] ang basyaan natin to check whether it is provided in this salyan, [25:57] nakalagay po po kasi dyan sa tax declaration, [25:59] yung previous tax declaration ng DANT. [26:02] Tama po, Engineer, I understand that. [26:04] And ang sinasabi ninyo, ito pong property na tinutukoy ninyo [26:09] ay posible o malamang ito rin nakalagay sa salyan ni Vice President Sara. [26:14] Pero yung naiso natin malaman kung ito lang ba ang kanyang property. [26:18] So, were you able to check, even just for that barangay, [26:21] Barangay 74A, kung ilan yung kanyang properties po ni Man Scarpio [26:26] at ni Vice President Sara sa barangay na yan? [26:29] Hindi nyo po alam. [26:30] Hindi ko po na-check. [26:31] So, posibleng more than one po, posibleng more than two. [26:33] I'm not quite sure, although if we are required to submit an official document, [26:41] we will produce as required. [26:43] Kasi alam nyo po, Mr. Presiding Officer, paikot-ikot po tayo, [26:46] I think the witness has the capacity to provide [26:50] all of the properties of Vice President Sara Duterte in Davao City. [26:55] Pwede mong ibanggayon dun sa kanyang sal-en. [26:59] I don't want to do the job of the defense or of the prosecution, [27:05] pero kung naiso natin malaman kung mabanggaba o hindi, [27:08] this witness has the power and the capacity to actually find out [27:11] kung ilang properties meron si Vice President Sara at si Manz [27:15] at ilang properties yung nasa sal-en. [27:17] Mabanggala ho natin. [27:18] Maybe we can save the time of this Honorable Court. [27:21] Yudang po, Mr. Presiding Officer, maraming salamat. [27:23] Thank you, Senator Judge Aquino, to respond to Attorney Tulosa. [27:26] The witness responded that it is possible [27:28] that the property he was describing earlier [27:32] is the property mentioned in the sal-en. [27:36] Not that it is with certainty, but that it is possible. [27:39] You may proceed with your cross, Attorney Tulosa. [27:41] Okay. [27:41] If that's the case, can you please tell us, [27:44] just with the information, Barangay 74A, [27:48] how can you identify it? [27:50] Again, please understand the question carefully, sir, [27:52] with all due respect po. [27:54] Kung titignan lang ho natin, [27:56] itong informasyon na nasa sal-en, [27:59] at ang nakalagay dyan ay location 74A, [28:02] paano nyo ho masasabi na ito ho yung nakamark na 910? [28:09] Objection, Your Honor. [28:10] The question is misleading because it's not only the location [28:16] which is included in the sal-en. [28:17] It's also the cost of acquisition, assessed value, [28:20] and market value, Your Honor. [28:21] So the premise of the question is misleading, Your Honor. [28:25] Let's not belabor the point. [28:29] Clearly, both sides will not agree. [28:32] It is the position of the respondent [28:33] that this is the property covered by TCT 0775. [28:38] It is the position of the prosecution [28:41] that it is not the property covered by TCT 0775, [28:48] as contained in the 2024 and 2025 sal-en of the vice president. [28:54] Now, in the realm of possibilities, [28:56] it is possible that this is the one referred to by the vice president. [29:01] When she made the declaration, [29:03] the prosecutor is clearly trying to point out [29:05] that it is not given some inaccuracies or inconsistencies [29:10] with respect, for example, to the acquisition cost. [29:13] Would that be correct, Counsel? [29:14] That's correct, Your Honor. [29:14] I think we can leave it at that. [29:18] We submit, Your Honor. [29:19] We will never be able to agree, Counsel. [29:20] We submit. [29:22] Kindly proceed. [29:23] One caricatory question with respect to your statement [29:25] that you've stated that it is possible [29:29] that this fair market value and assessed value [29:32] is unique to this property, right? [29:35] But you will admit that you cannot say that [29:38] with 100% certainty, [29:40] considering you've admitted, [29:42] you did not look at all of the joining properties, [29:46] all the properties located in the same area, [29:49] and check their respective assessed values [29:51] and fair market values. [29:52] Correct, sir? [29:53] Pardon, sir? [29:55] I'm sorry. [29:58] Okay, sir. [29:59] Sinabi niyo ho kanina, [30:01] maaari na itong assessed value at market value, [30:05] itong property na kadeklara sa Sal-En, [30:08] na nasa barangay 74A, no? [30:11] Sinabi niyo, maaaring unique ho yan. [30:14] Yan lang ang property dito sa area na ito, no? [30:17] na naka-indicate dito sa inyong mga mapa [30:19] na meron lang ganyang assessed value [30:22] at fair market value. [30:24] Ito ho yung tanong, sir. [30:26] Aaminin niyo ho, [30:27] dahil sinabi niyo nga, [30:28] hindi niyo naman tinignan, [30:30] isa-isa, [30:31] ang tax declaration na lahat ng properties niyan, [30:34] wala din yan sa inyong pangangalaga. [30:36] Hindi niyong pwedeng sabihin, [30:38] with an 100% certainty [30:40] na talagang iyong property na yan, [30:43] yan lang ang may assessed value na ganyang halaga [30:46] at market value na ganyang halaga [30:48] sa barangay 74A. [30:50] Tama ho ba? [30:50] Objection, Your Honor. [30:51] The question is vague, compound, [30:54] and ask and answer, Your Honor. [30:56] Yun. [30:57] I would have been satisfied with long, but... [31:01] Precisely, Your Honor... [31:02] Ang panawaan ba niyo, [31:03] Attorney Engineer Jimmy? [31:06] Sabi niyo po kanina sa katanungan ko [31:08] na posibleng unique ito, [31:11] yung 82,046. [31:15] Pero hindi po kayo sigurado [31:17] ng bungbo [31:19] kung talagang unique nga ba yan. [31:22] Posibleng may kahalintulan din property yan [31:24] maliban dito sa assessed value [31:28] na nilagay dito sa property ito. [31:30] Your Honor, [31:31] I may agree with the Honorable Aquino [31:34] that we will check on the record [31:37] and I will submit a document, [31:40] Julie certified, [31:41] on all properties owned by [31:43] Attorney Manassas and [31:45] Sarah Duterte. [31:47] Para matapos po tayo. [31:50] Bago niyo po gawin yan. [31:51] Para matapos po tayo. [31:52] Sa gawin niyo po na yung tanong ni [31:52] Attorney Tolosa na pinasimplihan ko. [31:55] Gano'n nakasimplihan ko. [31:56] So, [31:57] hindi po kayo sigurado. [31:58] Hindi niyo po posible, [32:00] pero hindi kayo nakatitiyak. [32:02] For now kasi nga, [32:04] Your Honor, [32:07] wala, [32:08] ang [32:08] sa subina kasi [32:09] is [32:10] specifically [32:11] on [32:11] TCT [32:12] 0775. [32:14] So, yun lang po [32:15] ang giverify namin. [32:16] Now, [32:17] if this [32:17] honorable impeachment [32:18] court [32:19] would require us [32:20] to submit [32:21] or subpoena [32:22] to submit [32:23] all [32:23] properties [32:25] owned by [32:26] Attorney Manassas [32:28] on that [32:29] particular barangay, [32:31] then we will [32:31] submit. [32:33] Your Honor. [32:33] We will cross the bridge [32:34] when we get there. [32:37] Engineer Jimmy. [32:39] So, [32:39] ang kasagutan po sa tanong, [32:41] hindi kayo nakatitiyak, [32:42] pero kaya niyong tiyakin [32:43] kung kinakailangan. [32:44] Yes, [32:45] Your Honor. [32:46] Okay. [32:46] Those are public documents. [32:48] Okay. [32:48] Attorney Tolosa. [32:49] Okay. [32:50] Considering [32:51] itong [32:52] information [32:53] na nakita [32:53] natin [32:54] kanina [32:54] na [32:55] magkiba [32:56] ang nakadeclare [32:57] na purchase [32:58] price [32:58] at [32:58] acquisition [33:00] cost, [33:00] 6 million [33:00] versus 10 million, [33:02] at itong mga [33:02] sinagot mo, [33:03] nasabi nyo nga [33:03] posible [33:04] na merong [33:05] ibang property, [33:06] hindi kayo [33:06] nakakatiyak, [33:07] but posible [33:08] merong ibang property [33:09] na may same [33:10] assessed value. [33:11] Do you still [33:12] stand by [33:12] your absolute [33:13] assertion [33:14] a while ago [33:15] that [33:15] the property [33:18] indicating [33:19] the TCT [33:19] is the same [33:20] property [33:21] indicating [33:21] the salient? [33:22] Objection, [33:22] Your Honor. [33:23] Ask and [33:24] answer, [33:24] Your Honor. [33:25] Probing question, [33:26] Your Honor. [33:26] You can only [33:27] say that [33:27] if you don't [33:28] introduce [33:28] any new [33:29] factual matters [33:30] against which [33:31] you will [33:31] challenge [33:32] the earlier [33:32] question. [33:33] This is a [33:34] probing question, [33:35] Your Honor. [33:35] It doesn't [33:36] change the [33:37] fact that [33:37] the witness [33:37] already [33:38] answered that [33:38] question, [33:39] Your Honor. [33:39] It completely [33:40] changes the [33:40] fact, [33:41] Your Honor, [33:41] because I'm [33:41] introducing new [33:42] facts. [33:43] Kindly chill [33:45] a bit. [33:45] Attorney [33:45] to Losa, [33:46] are you [33:47] about to [33:47] wind up? [33:47] Yes, [33:48] Your Honor. [33:49] If you're [33:49] about to [33:49] wind up, [33:50] then I'll [33:50] allow it, [33:51] even if [33:51] the witness [33:51] has indeed [33:52] answered it [33:53] already. [33:54] But kindly [33:54] answer, [33:55] Engineer [33:56] Jimmy. [33:57] Again, [33:57] I will [33:58] insist, [34:00] Your Honor, [34:00] that we [34:03] will submit [34:04] a list [34:05] of properties [34:05] just for [34:07] us to [34:07] shorten [34:08] this [34:08] discussion. [34:09] My [34:09] apologies. [34:10] That is [34:10] the witness [34:11] answer. [34:11] Turning to Losa. [34:12] Okay. [34:13] A while ago, [34:15] just one last [34:17] thing, [34:18] Your Honor. [34:18] Please. [34:18] May we [34:19] request the [34:20] tech booth, [34:21] Your Honor, [34:21] to reflect [34:22] on the [34:24] screen some [34:24] photos, [34:25] and we [34:25] will show [34:25] the witness, [34:27] Your Honor. [34:27] Yes, [34:28] please. [34:28] Okay. [34:29] So, [34:32] you're [34:32] aware of [34:33] the area [34:34] indicated in [34:35] the property [34:36] identification [34:37] map, [34:38] sir, [34:38] the actual [34:39] area. [34:40] You're [34:40] aware of [34:40] that? [34:41] That one? [34:42] The property [34:42] identification [34:43] map, [34:44] muna, [34:44] sir. [34:44] Yes, [34:45] sir. [34:45] In fact, [34:47] that property [34:48] marked as [34:49] 910, [34:50] it's close to [34:50] a landmark. [34:52] It is close [34:52] to a [34:53] university, [34:53] correct, [34:54] sir? [34:55] You're [34:56] correct, [34:56] sir. [34:56] Yes. [34:57] It's even [34:58] close to [34:59] SM City [35:01] Dabao, [35:02] correct, [35:02] sir? [35:03] You're [35:03] correct, [35:03] sir. [35:03] So, [35:04] you're [35:04] familiar with [35:04] the area. [35:05] So, [35:06] would you [35:06] be able [35:07] to [35:08] confirm [35:09] that [35:09] if you [35:10] could [35:11] please [35:11] kindly [35:12] zoom in? [35:13] Zoom in. [35:15] Kindly [35:15] zoom in, [35:16] tech. [35:16] Conti pa. [35:29] Please [35:32] focus on [35:34] the area [35:35] marked with [35:36] the red [35:36] pin. [35:42] Can you [35:42] adjust, [35:43] please? [35:44] There's no [35:45] pointer. [35:46] Where is it? [35:46] Pointer. [35:55] The tech [35:55] is instructed [35:56] to kindly [35:56] adjust [35:57] what is [35:57] being [35:58] shown [35:58] to reflect [36:00] the red [36:01] pointer [36:02] on the [36:03] map [36:03] and then [36:07] zoom in. [36:08] And for [36:08] reference, [36:09] your [36:09] owner [36:09] also [36:10] handing [36:10] the [36:11] witness [36:11] with [36:11] the [36:11] printed [36:11] copies [36:12] of [36:12] these [36:12] photos. [36:13] Kindly [36:13] zoom in [36:14] without [36:17] losing [36:17] the [36:17] red [36:18] pointer. [36:27] Okay, [36:30] yung pong [36:30] nakamark. [36:31] Yes. [36:32] That's [36:33] correct, [36:33] sir. [36:33] Yes. [36:34] So, [36:35] if you [36:35] will [36:35] compare [36:36] it [36:36] to [36:37] the [36:37] property [36:37] located [36:38] in [36:38] your [36:39] property [36:42] identification [36:42] map. [36:45] Yeah, [36:45] that's [36:45] correct. [36:46] You'd [36:46] admit that [36:46] they [36:47] refer [36:47] to [36:47] the [36:47] same [36:47] property? [36:49] Yes, [36:49] you're [36:49] correct. [36:50] Yes, [36:50] okay. [36:51] Can we [36:51] show [36:51] the [36:51] second [36:52] photo, [36:52] please? [36:57] Second [36:57] photo? [36:58] Yes, [36:59] you're [36:59] on. [37:00] Can we [37:01] switch [37:01] to the [37:01] second [37:02] photo? [37:05] So, [37:05] this is [37:06] the [37:06] street [37:06] view [37:07] of [37:07] the [37:07] same [37:07] property. [37:08] So, [37:09] since [37:09] you're [37:09] familiar [37:09] with [37:10] the [37:10] area [37:10] and [37:10] already [37:11] confirmed [37:11] that [37:12] that [37:13] property [37:13] reflected [37:14] a while [37:15] ago, [37:15] it's [37:15] the [37:15] same [37:16] property [37:16] contained [37:17] in [37:17] the [37:17] TCT [37:18] that [37:18] we've [37:18] been [37:18] discussing, [37:19] will [37:20] you [37:23] property [37:24] indicated [37:25] in [37:25] that [37:25] TCT? [37:27] I'm [37:27] not [37:27] quite [37:28] sure, [37:28] sir. [37:29] Okay. [37:29] Maybe [37:30] that's [37:31] understandable. [37:31] It's not [37:32] that recent [37:34] because it's [37:35] reflected. [37:36] This is [37:36] as of [37:36] July [37:37] 2025. [37:39] Third [37:39] photo, [37:40] please. [37:40] So, [37:41] we could [37:41] show [37:41] the [37:41] more [37:42] current [37:42] photo. [37:46] Yeah, [37:46] more [37:46] current [37:47] photo. [37:49] Yes. [37:49] So, [37:49] is this [37:49] the [37:50] same [37:50] property [37:50] now? [37:51] Since [37:51] you're [37:51] familiar [37:51] with [37:51] the [37:52] area, [37:52] is [37:52] it [37:52] the [37:53] property [37:53] which [37:54] is [37:54] now [37:54] called [37:54] the [37:55] Prime [37:57] Bistro? [37:58] Again, [38:01] hindi po [38:02] ako [38:02] sure. [38:03] You're [38:03] not [38:03] sure. [38:03] That's [38:04] okay. [38:04] Since [38:04] you're [38:05] the [38:05] assessor, [38:06] based on [38:08] your [38:08] experience [38:08] and [38:09] competence [38:09] as [38:10] such, [38:10] would [38:10] you [38:10] agree [38:10] that [38:11] a [38:11] property [38:11] like [38:12] this, [38:12] only [38:13] if [38:13] you [38:13] can, [38:13] give [38:13] an [38:14] assessment, [38:14] this [38:15] is [38:15] definitely [38:15] worth [38:16] more than [38:16] the [38:17] fair [38:17] market [38:18] value [38:18] is [38:18] definitely [38:19] worth [38:19] more [38:19] than [38:20] 10 [38:20] million [38:20] pesos. [38:21] Objection, [38:22] your [38:22] honor, [38:23] objection, [38:23] your [38:23] honor, [38:24] no [38:25] basis, [38:26] and [38:27] argumentative, [38:28] your [38:28] honor, [38:28] because [38:31] earlier [38:31] that [38:32] he [38:33] is [38:33] not [38:33] sure [38:34] if [38:34] that's [38:35] the [38:35] property [38:35] being [38:36] pertained [38:36] in [38:36] the [38:36] property [38:37] identification [38:38] map. [38:38] The [38:38] second [38:39] and [38:39] third [38:40] photos [38:40] presented [38:41] by the [38:41] prosecutor. [38:41] Architect [38:42] Jimmy [38:42] can say [38:43] so. [38:45] Alam [38:45] niyo [38:45] po [38:45] yung [38:45] sagot [38:46] sa [38:46] talong [38:46] ni [38:46] Atty. [38:46] Tulosa? [38:48] Makakaiba [38:48] po [38:48] ang [38:49] value [38:50] ng [38:50] property [38:51] versus [38:53] sa [38:54] assessment [38:54] na [38:55] ginagawa [38:55] ng [38:56] mga [38:56] assessor. [38:57] Ang [38:57] assessor [38:58] po [38:58] meron [38:58] siyang [38:59] schedule [38:59] market [38:59] values [39:00] na [39:00] sinusunod [39:01] at [39:02] yun [39:02] sa [39:02] ordinance [39:03] na [39:03] issue. [39:05] Okay. [39:05] But [39:05] based on [39:06] your [39:06] assessment [39:06] if [39:07] you [39:07] were [39:07] to [39:07] assess [39:08] this [39:08] property [39:08] you [39:09] would [39:09] say [39:09] it [39:09] is [39:09] not [39:10] residential [39:10] property [39:11] correct? [39:11] Objection [39:12] your [39:12] honor [39:12] relevance [39:13] your [39:13] honor [39:13] the [39:14] prosecution [39:14] has yet [39:15] to [39:15] establish [39:16] kung [39:16] ano [39:16] ba [39:17] itong [39:17] pinapakita [39:17] nila [39:18] your [39:18] honor [39:18] because [39:20] the [39:20] witness [39:20] already [39:21] answered [39:21] he [39:21] doesn't [39:22] know [39:22] what [39:22] this [39:22] property [39:23] is [39:23] but [39:24] only [39:24] if [39:24] he [39:24] knows [39:24] your [39:24] and [39:25] to [39:25] test [39:25] the [39:25] credibility [39:25] of [39:26] the [39:26] witness [39:26] considering [39:27] the [39:27] thing [39:27] has [39:27] been [39:28] dodging [39:28] questions [39:28] left [39:29] and [39:29] right. [39:30] Again [39:31] I am [39:31] not [39:31] sure [39:31] with [39:32] that. [39:32] Not [39:32] value [39:33] sir [39:33] if [39:33] it [39:33] is [39:34] you [39:34] will [39:35] not [39:35] qualify [39:35] this [39:36] as a [39:36] residential [39:37] property. [39:37] Yes [39:41] engineer [39:42] Jimmy [39:43] please [39:43] answer. [39:44] Toto [39:44] nga [39:44] sinabi [39:45] ko [39:45] hindi [39:45] ko [39:45] naman [39:45] alam [39:46] kung [39:46] yan [39:46] ba [39:46] yung [39:47] subject [39:47] property. [39:49] Pero [39:49] sa [39:49] pananaw [39:49] ninyo [39:50] bilang [39:52] assessor [39:52] residential [39:53] po ba [39:54] ito [39:54] o [39:54] hindi? [39:56] We're [39:56] not [39:57] talking [39:57] of [39:57] the [39:57] same [39:57] property [39:58] engineer [39:59] Jimmy [39:59] pag [40:00] may [40:00] nakita [40:00] po [40:00] kayo [40:01] ganitong [40:01] uri [40:01] ng [40:01] building [40:02] ang [40:02] tingin [40:03] nyo [40:03] po [40:03] ba [40:03] dito [40:03] residential [40:04] o [40:05] commercial? [40:06] Depende [40:06] po [40:06] yan [40:06] kung [40:07] ano [40:07] yung [40:07] gamit [40:08] again [40:09] our [40:09] basis [40:09] is [40:09] actual [40:10] use [40:10] after [40:11] inspection [40:12] of [40:12] the [40:12] building [40:12] there [40:13] are [40:13] times [40:14] na [40:14] commercial [40:14] building [40:15] pero [40:15] gamit [40:16] is [40:16] residential [40:16] so [40:16] magkakaiba [40:17] po [40:17] yan [40:17] So [40:18] use [40:18] ang [40:19] basis [40:19] at [40:20] hindi [40:20] itsura [40:20] You're [40:22] correct [40:22] Your Honor [40:22] Just a [40:25] very few [40:26] questions [40:26] please [40:26] I [40:27] build [40:27] bigger [40:27] intelligence [40:28] I'm [40:28] going to [40:28] interrupt [40:29] this [40:29] up [40:29] because [40:30] your [40:30] answers [40:30] have [40:30] been [40:30] very [40:31] evasive [40:31] sir [40:31] I [40:31] have [40:32] to [40:32] ask [40:32] this [40:32] Can [40:33] you [40:33] confirm [40:34] when [40:34] you [40:34] became [40:35] the [40:35] City [40:35] Assessor [40:36] of [40:36] Davao [40:36] I [40:39] was [40:39] appointed [40:39] 2017 [40:40] Who [40:42] was [40:42] the [40:42] local [40:43] chief [40:43] executive [40:44] at [40:44] that [40:44] time [40:44] At [40:45] the [40:45] time [40:45] it [40:45] was [40:46] the [40:46] former [40:47] city [40:48] mayor [40:48] Sarah [40:48] Duterte [40:49] And [40:50] it's [40:50] the [40:50] city [40:51] executive [40:51] which [40:52] appoints [40:53] the city [40:53] assessors [40:54] correct [40:54] You're [40:55] correct [40:55] sir [40:55] Yes [40:56] And [40:57] at [40:58] that [40:58] time [40:59] you were [40:59] just [40:59] acting [40:59] city [41:00] assessor [41:00] In [41:01] 2016 [41:02] Acting [41:04] and [41:04] was [41:05] appointed [41:05] in [41:06] 2017 [41:06] So [41:07] he [41:07] gave [41:07] you [41:07] the [41:07] permanent [41:08] position [41:08] You [41:09] would [41:09] also [41:09] admit [41:10] that [41:11] sometime [41:11] in [41:12] November [41:12] 2025 [41:13] you're [41:14] one [41:14] of [41:14] the [41:14] LGU [41:15] officials [41:16] of [41:16] Davao [41:17] who [41:17] went [41:18] to [41:18] China [41:18] in [41:19] an [41:19] all [41:20] expense [41:20] paid [41:21] tour [41:21] sponsored [41:22] by the [41:22] Chinese [41:22] consulate [41:23] Is that [41:23] correct? [41:24] Objection [41:24] Your [41:24] Honor [41:25] relevance [41:25] Your [41:25] Honor [41:26] You [41:26] want to [41:26] check [41:26] his [41:26] credibility [41:27] Your [41:27] Honor [41:27] if [41:27] he'll [41:27] admit [41:28] this [41:28] or [41:28] not [41:28] You're [41:32] in [41:32] a [41:32] short [41:32] lease [41:33] counsel [41:33] Yes [41:33] Your [41:34] Honor [41:34] This [41:34] is [41:34] the [41:34] final [41:34] question [41:35] Your [41:35] Honor [41:35] Kindly [41:37] answer [41:38] engineer [41:38] Jimmy [41:39] I [41:39] think [41:39] that [41:39] is [41:39] irrelevant [41:40] Your [41:41] Honor [41:41] made [41:41] a [41:42] witness [41:42] Funny [41:47] ka [41:47] doon [41:47] engineer [41:49] Jimmy [41:49] but [41:50] funny [41:53] ka [41:53] doon [41:53] Actually [41:54] hindi [41:55] ko [41:55] ma-recall [41:55] You [41:56] cannot [41:57] recall [41:57] sir [41:57] if [41:58] in [41:58] November [41:59] 2025 [42:00] you [42:01] went [42:01] to [42:01] China [42:02] last [42:02] year [42:02] you [42:03] cannot [42:03] recall [42:03] that [42:03] Argumentative [42:05] Your [42:05] Honor [42:05] Of course [42:06] not [42:06] Your [42:07] Honor [42:07] This is [42:10] a probing [42:10] question [42:11] I [42:11] think [42:11] it's [42:11] been [42:12] clear [42:12] how [42:13] evasive [42:13] this [42:14] witness [42:14] has [42:14] been [42:14] so [42:15] I [42:15] have [42:15] to [42:15] ask [42:16] you [42:16] I [42:17] I [42:19] I [42:19] I'm [42:20] on [42:20] cross [42:20] examination [42:21] I'm [42:21] allowed [42:22] to [42:22] ask [42:22] probing [42:23] questions [42:23] Sir [42:24] are [42:24] you [42:24] telling [42:24] me [42:25] you [42:25] cannot [42:26] say [42:26] for [42:26] sure [42:26] if [42:27] in [42:27] 2025 [42:28] just [42:28] last [42:28] year [42:29] one [42:29] year [42:29] ago [42:29] if [42:30] you [42:30] were [42:30] in [42:30] China [42:30] you [42:31] cannot [42:31] recall [42:31] that [42:32] Your [42:32] Honor [42:33] before [42:33] the [42:33] witness [42:33] answers [42:34] we [42:34] just [42:34] move [42:35] to [42:35] strike [42:35] the [42:35] manifestation [42:36] of [42:36] the [42:37] counsel [42:37] for [42:37] the [42:38] prosecution [42:38] regarding [42:40] the [42:41] statement [42:43] that [42:43] the [42:44] answer [42:45] of [42:45] the [42:45] witness [42:45] evasive [42:46] because [42:46] only [42:47] this [42:47] honorable [42:47] court [42:48] can [42:48] make [42:48] that [42:48] conclusion [42:49] Your [42:49] Honor [42:49] we [42:49] no [42:50] need [42:50] to [42:50] belabor [42:50] that [42:51] point [42:51] may [42:51] we [42:51] get [42:51] an [42:51] answer [42:52] from [42:52] the [42:52] witness [42:52] now [42:52] we [42:53] ask [42:53] for [42:53] a [42:54] ruling [42:54] Your [42:54] Honor [42:54] let [42:55] it [42:55] remain [42:56] in [42:56] the [42:56] record [42:56] thank [42:56] you [42:56] but [42:57] before [42:57] that [42:58] Senator [42:58] Judge [42:59] Soto [42:59] thank [43:00] you [43:01] I [43:02] believe [43:02] that [43:03] that [43:03] question [43:04] is [43:04] important [43:05] to [43:08] gauge [43:08] the [43:09] credibility [43:09] of [43:10] the [43:10] witness [43:10] he [43:11] doesn't [43:12] want [43:12] to [43:12] answer [43:13] we [43:13] can [43:13] always [43:13] ask [43:14] the [43:14] Bureau [43:14] of [43:14] Immigration [43:14] simple [43:16] then [43:17] the [43:19] credibility [43:19] is [43:20] proven [43:21] we [43:23] already [43:24] allowed [43:24] it [43:24] the [43:24] witness [43:25] already [43:25] answered [43:26] the [43:27] chair [43:28] will [43:28] allow [43:28] the [43:29] question [43:30] attorney [43:31] sorry [43:32] if I keep [43:33] on [43:33] mistaking [43:34] you [43:34] engineer [43:35] engineer [43:35] Jimmy [43:36] so [43:38] ano [43:39] po [43:39] hindi [43:39] niyo [43:40] naalala [43:40] yung [43:41] pecha [43:41] o [43:41] yung [43:41] biyahe [43:42] siguro [43:43] ang [43:43] pecha [43:43] sir [43:43] pero [43:45] nagbiyahe [43:46] po [43:46] kayo [43:46] sa [43:48] China [43:48] mga [43:48] ganong [43:49] pecha [43:49] mga [43:50] ganong [43:50] panahon [43:51] siguro [43:53] again [43:55] I don't [43:56] have [43:56] the [43:56] record [43:56] hindi [43:57] po [43:57] mamamemorize [43:58] yung [43:58] mga [43:58] lakad [43:58] mo [43:58] no [43:59] senator [44:01] judge [44:01] erwin [44:02] mr. [44:05] presiding [44:06] officer [44:06] para [44:08] tayo [44:08] niluloko [44:09] na [44:09] testigo [44:09] na [44:10] ito [44:10] sir [44:10] may [44:11] I remind [44:11] you [44:12] that [44:12] you're [44:12] under [44:12] oath [44:13] yes [44:13] sir [44:14] we can cite [44:21] you [44:21] for [44:21] contempt [44:22] just [44:23] to [44:23] remind [44:23] you [44:23] sir [44:24] just [44:24] to [44:24] remind [44:24] you [44:24] okay [44:25] we're [44:26] serious [44:26] here [44:26] okay [44:27] natanong [44:27] kayo [44:28] nakapunta [44:28] kayo [44:29] ay sabihin [44:29] yung [44:30] petya [44:30] hindi [44:30] niyo [44:31] rin [44:31] malaman [44:31] so [44:32] just [44:33] just [44:33] kun [44:34] talaga [44:34] hindi [44:34] niyo [44:34] alam [44:35] hindi [44:35] hindi [44:35] niyo [44:35] alam [44:35] pero [44:36] I mean [44:36] just [44:37] remind [44:39] this [44:39] witness [44:40] na [44:40] under [44:41] oath [44:42] po [44:42] siya [44:43] yung [44:43] pagsisinungaling [44:44] po [44:44] nasa [44:45] kanya [44:46] may [44:46] consequences [44:47] po [44:47] thank [44:48] you [44:48] sir [44:49] julie [44:49] noted [44:50] witness [44:52] already [44:52] answered [44:52] your [44:53] question [44:53] no [44:54] more [44:55] we've [44:55] heard [44:56] enough [44:56] from [44:56] this [44:56] witness [44:56] your [44:57] honor [44:59] redirect [45:00] council [45:00] so [45:01] that [45:01] we [45:01] can [45:01] pause [45:01] for [45:02] lunch [45:02] or [45:02] do [45:02] you [45:02] have [45:02] a [45:02] brief [45:03] redirect [45:03] we [45:04] can [45:05] pause [45:05] for [45:05] lunch [45:05] your [45:05] honor [45:06] senator [45:08] judge [45:09] Imi [45:09] is [45:09] raising [45:09] her [45:10] hand [45:10] after [45:12] lunch [45:12] okay [45:13] no [45:14] but [45:14] he [45:14] will [45:14] do [45:14] his [45:14] redirect [45:15] after [45:15] lunch [45:15] according [45:16] to [45:16] him [45:16] senator [45:17] judge [45:18] Rafi [45:18] no [45:18] we [45:18] will [45:37] he [45:41] and [45:44] he [45:45] he [45:47] is [45:47] lying [45:48] to [45:48] his [45:48] teeth [45:48] lumilit [45:49] That is for the appreciation of the Senator Judges, Chair Gris. [46:18] Yes, what is the pleasure of Senator Judge Villanueva? [46:23] Mr. Presiding Officer, this is in connection with what happened today. [46:28] We have been sitting and listening for more than two hours. [46:34] And then the next witness would be the city assessor of Samal, Mr. Presiding Officer. [46:41] And what we had experienced a while ago is that the witness himself is not aware of or doesn't have any records of the entire barangay that we were talking about. [46:57] Baka ganun din po yung mangyari sa susunod. [46:59] That's one, Mr. Presiding Officer. [47:01] Mr. Presiding Officer, baka po pwede ngayon pa lang malaman na natin dun sa susunod na witness kung ano rin yung dala niya at mayroon po ba siya na the same na hinahanap natin dito sa witness natin. [47:13] Na sabi niya, dadalhin po niya sa susunod. [47:15] Ikalawag, Mr. Presiding Officer, during the break, we were waiting sana, Mr. Presiding Officer, dun sa mga hiniling po natin during the previous hearings. [47:29] For example, Mr. Presiding Officer, noong October 9, may mga hinilingi po tayo. [47:38] And the presiding officer actually instructed the clerk of court to call it from the submitted exhibits. [47:51] Gusto ko lang kung sabihin, Mr. Presiding Officer, wala pa po tayong nakukuha hanggang ngayon. [47:56] And specifically, yung pong hiningi ng representasyon na ito, dun po sa Kale Foods Corporation na BIR Alphalist and the payroll records, pati po yung document on its sources of financing. [48:12] I just want to put that on record, Mr. Presiding Officer. Maraming po salamat. [48:16] Chair reminds the clerk of court to kindly comply with the request of Senator Judge Villanueva.