The Third Presidential Debate: Hillary Clinton And Donald Trump (Full Debate) — NBC News

[0:00] Good evening from the Thomas and Mack Center at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. [0:05] I'm Chris Wallace of Fox News, and I welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential [0:12] debates between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump. This debate is [0:18] sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. The commission has designed the format, [0:23] six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers to the first question, then open discussion [0:29] for the rest of each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to those rules. For the record, [0:36] I decided the topics and the questions in each topic. None of those questions has been shared [0:41] with the commission or the two candidates. The audience here in the hall has promised to remain [0:46] silent. No cheers, boos, or other interruptions so we and you can focus on what the candidates have [0:53] to say. No noise except right now as we welcome the Democratic nominee for president, Secretary Clinton. [1:00] The Republican nominee for president, Mr. Trump. Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump, welcome. Let's [1:23] get right to it. The first topic is the Supreme Court. You both talked briefly about the court in [1:30] the last debate, but I want to drill down on this because the next president will almost certainly [1:36] have at least one appointment and likely or possibly two or three appointments, which means that you [1:42] will in effect determine the balance of the court for what could be the next quarter century. [1:47] First of all, where do you want to see the court take the country? And secondly, what's your view on how [1:54] the Constitution should be interpreted? Do the founders' words mean what they say or is it a living [2:01] document to be applied flexibly according to changing circumstances? In this segment, Secretary Clinton, [2:09] you go first. You have two minutes. Thank you very much, Chris, and thanks to UNLV for hosting us. [2:15] You know, I think when we talk about the Supreme Court, it really raises the central issue in this [2:20] election, namely what kind of country are we going to be? What kind of opportunities will we provide [2:27] for our citizens? What kind of rights will Americans have? And I feel strongly that the Supreme Court [2:34] needs to stand on the side of the American people, not on the side of the powerful corporations and [2:42] the wealthy. For me, that means that we need a Supreme Court that will stand up on behalf of women's [2:51] rights, on behalf of the rights of the LGBT community, that will stand up and say no to Citizens United, [2:58] a decision that has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, [3:07] unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. I have major disagreements with my opponent [3:14] about these issues and others that will be before the Supreme Court. But I feel that at this point in [3:21] our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, that we not reverse [3:28] Roe v. Wade, that we stand up against Citizens United, we stand up for the rights of people [3:35] in the workplace, that we stand up and basically say the Supreme Court should represent all of us. [3:42] That's how I see the court and the kind of people that I would be looking to nominate to the court [3:48] would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of [3:55] our rights as Americans. And I look forward to having that opportunity. I would hope that the [4:01] Senate would do its job and confirm the nominee that President Obama has sent to them. That's the [4:08] way the Constitution fundamentally should operate. The President nominates and then the Senate advises [4:14] and consents or not, but they go forward with the process. [4:18] Secretary Clinton, thank you. Mr. Trump, same question. Where do you want to see [4:22] the court take the country, and how do you believe the Constitution should be interpreted? [4:28] Well, first of all, it's great to be with you, and thank you, everybody. The Supreme Court, [4:32] it's what it's all about. Our country is so, so, just so imperative that we have [4:39] the right justices. Something happened recently where Justice Ginsburg made some very, very [4:45] inappropriate statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of people, many, many millions [4:51] of people that I represent, and she was forced to apologize, and apologize she did. But these were [4:58] statements that should never, ever have been made. We need a Supreme Court that, in my opinion, [5:03] is going to uphold the Second Amendment, and all amendments, but the Second Amendment, [5:07] which is under absolute siege. I believe if my opponent should win this race, which I truly [5:14] don't think will happen, we will have a Second Amendment, which will be a very, very small replica [5:21] of what it is right now. But I feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold because of the fact [5:28] that it is under such trauma. I feel that the justices that I am going to appoint, and I've named [5:36] 20 of them. The justices that I'm going to appoint will be pro-life. They will have a conservative bent. [5:44] They will be protecting the Second Amendment. They are great scholars in all cases, and they're people [5:50] of tremendous respect. They will interpret the Constitution the way the founders wanted it [5:57] interpreted, and I believe that's very, very important. I don't think we should have justices [6:04] appointed that decide what they want to hear. It's all about the Constitution of, and so important, [6:12] the Constitution the way it was meant to be, and those are the people that I will appoint. [6:20] Mr. Trump, thank you. We now have about 10 minutes for an open discussion. I want to focus on two issues [6:27] that, in fact, by the justices that you name, could end up changing the existing law of the land. [6:34] First is one that you mentioned, Mr. Trump, and that is guns. Secretary Clinton, you said last year, [6:40] and let me quote, the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment. And now, in fact, in the 2008 [6:46] Heller case, the court ruled that there is a constitutional right to bear arms, but a right that is reasonably [6:54] limited. Those were the words of the of the judge, Antonin Scalia, who wrote the decision. What's wrong [6:59] with that? Well, first of all, I support the Second Amendment. I lived in Arkansas for 18 wonderful [7:06] years. I represented upstate New York. I understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. It goes [7:13] back to the founding of our country. But I also believe that there can be and must be reasonable [7:19] regulation. Because I support the Second Amendment doesn't mean that I want people who shouldn't [7:24] have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. And so when I think about [7:31] what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. I think we need comprehensive [7:39] background checks, need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole. There's other matters [7:46] that I think are sensible, that are the kind of reforms that would make a difference, that are [7:51] not in any way conflicting with the Second Amendment. You mentioned the Heller decision. And what I was [7:57] saying that you referenced, Chris, was that I disagreed with the way the court applied the Second [8:04] Amendment in that case. Because what the District of Columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers [8:12] from guns. And so they wanted people with guns to safely store them. And the court didn't accept [8:19] that reasonable regulation, but they've accepted many others. So I see no conflict between saving [8:24] people's lives and defending the Second Amendment. Let me bring Mr. Trump in here. The bipartisan open [8:31] debate coalition got millions of votes on questions to ask here. And this was, in fact, one of the top [8:38] questions that they got. How will you ensure the Second Amendment is protected? You just heard Secretary [8:45] Clinton's answer. Does she persuade you that while you may disagree on regulation, that in fact she [8:50] supports a Second Amendment right to bear arms? Well, the DC versus Heller decision was very strongly, [8:57] and she was extremely angry about it. I watched. I mean, she was very, very angry when upheld. And [9:03] Justice Scalia was so involved, and it was a well-crafted decision. But Hillary was extremely [9:10] upset, extremely angry. And people that believe in the Second Amendment and believe in it very strongly [9:16] were very upset with what she had to say. Well, let me bring in Secretary Clinton. Were you extremely [9:20] upset? Well, I was upset because, unfortunately, dozens of toddlers injure themselves, even kill people [9:29] with guns. Because, unfortunately, not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate [9:36] precautions. But there's no doubt that I respect the Second Amendment, that I also believe there's [9:43] an individual right to bear arms. That is not in conflict with sensible, common-sense regulation. [9:50] And, you know, look, I understand that Donald's been strongly supported by the NRA. The gun lobby's on his [9:57] side. They're running millions of dollars of ads against me. And I regret that. Because what I [10:02] would like to see is for people to come together and say, of course we're going to protect and defend [10:08] the Second Amendment. But we're going to do it in a way that tries to save some of these 33,000 lives [10:14] that we lose every year. Let me bring Mr. Trump back into that. Because, in fact, [10:19] you oppose any limits on assault weapons, any limits on high-capacity magazines. You support [10:26] a national right-to-carry law. Why, sir? Well, let me just tell you, before we go any further, [10:32] in Chicago, which has the toughest gun laws in the United States, probably you could say by far, [10:38] they have more gun violence than any other city. So we have the toughest laws and you have tremendous [10:44] gun violence. I am a very strong supporter of the Second Amendment. And I am, I don't know if Hillary [10:50] was saying it in a sarcastic manner, but I'm very proud to have the endorsement of the NRA. And it's [10:55] the earliest endorsement they've ever given to anybody who ran for president. So I'm very honored by all [11:01] of that. We are going to appoint justices. This is the best way to help the Second Amendment. We are going to appoint [11:08] justices that will feel very strongly about the Second Amendment, that will not do damage to the [11:15] Second Amendment. Well, let's pick up on another issue which divides you and the justices that [11:22] whoever ends up winning this election appoints could have a dramatic effect there. And that's the issue [11:27] of abortion. Right. Mr. Trump, you're pro-life. But I want to ask you specifically, [11:32] do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn Roe v. Wade, [11:39] which includes, in fact states, a woman's right to abortion? Well, if that would happen, [11:44] because I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life judges, I would think that that will go [11:49] back to the individual states. But I'm asking you specifically, [11:52] would you like to... If they overturned it, it'll go back to the states. But what I'm asking you, [11:55] sir, is do you want to see the court overturned? You've just said you want to see the court [12:00] protect the Second Amendment. Do you want to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade? [12:03] Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that's really what's going to be, [12:08] that will happen. And that'll happen automatically, in my opinion, because I am putting pro-life [12:14] justices on the court. I will say this, it will go back to the states, and the states will then make [12:20] a determination. Secretary Clinton. Well, I strongly support Roe v. Wade, which guarantees [12:26] a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult in many cases, [12:32] decisions about her health care that one can imagine. And in this case, it's not only about [12:38] Roe v. Wade. It is about what's happening right now in America. So many states are putting very [12:47] stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice, to the extent that [12:54] they are defunding Planned Parenthood, which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings [12:59] and other benefits for women in our country. Donald has said he's in favor of defunding [13:05] Planned Parenthood. He even supported shutting the government down to defund Planned Parenthood. [13:10] I will defend Planned Parenthood. I will defend Roe v. Wade, and I will defend women's rights to make [13:18] their own health care decisions. Secretary Clinton. And we have come too far to have that turn back [13:23] now. And indeed, he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for [13:30] women who obtain abortions. And I could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. [13:36] I'm going to give you a chance to respond. But I want to ask you, Secretary Clinton, [13:39] I want to explore how far you believe the right to abortion goes. You have been quoted as saying [13:44] that the fetus has no constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late-term partial birth [13:53] abortions. Why? Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion [14:04] so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. And when I voted as a senator, [14:12] I did not think that that was the case. The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy [14:19] are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. I have met [14:25] with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get that their health [14:31] is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been [14:38] discovered about the pregnancy. I do not think the United States government should be stepping in [14:44] and making those most personal of decisions. So you can regulate if you are doing so with the life [14:53] and the health of the mother taken into account. Mr. Trump, your reaction and particularly on this [14:57] issue of late-term partial birth? Well, I think it's terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying. [15:02] In the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to [15:11] the birth of the baby. Now, you can say that that's okay. And Hillary can say that that's okay. But it's [15:18] not okay with me. Because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, [15:25] you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. And that's [15:32] not acceptable. Well, that is not what happens in these cases. And using that kind of scare [15:38] rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I've met with, [15:44] women I've known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman [15:51] and her family has to make. And I do not believe the government should be making it. You know, I've had [15:56] the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. I've been to countries [16:01] where governments either forced women to have abortions like they used to do in China, [16:06] or forced women to bear children like they used to do in Romania. And I can tell you the government [16:11] has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, [16:18] with medical advice. And I will stand up for that right. All right. But just briefly, [16:23] I want to move on to another segment. And honestly, nobody has business [16:26] doing what I just said, doing that as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. [16:34] Nobody has that. All right. Let's move on to the subject of immigration. And there is almost [16:39] no issue that separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration. Actually, there are a lot [16:44] of issues that separate the two of you. Mr. Trump, you want to build a wall. Secretary Clinton, [16:49] you have offered no specific plan for how you want to secure our southern border. Mr. Trump, [16:54] you are calling for major deportations. Secretary Clinton, you say that within your first hundred [16:59] days as president, you're going to offer a package that includes a pathway to citizenship. [17:06] The question really is, why are you right and your opponent wrong? Mr. Trump, you go first in this [17:11] segment. You have two minutes. Well, first of all, she wants to give amnesty, [17:13] which is a disaster and very unfair to all of the people that are waiting in line for many, [17:17] many years. We need strong borders. In the audience tonight, we have four mothers of, [17:24] I mean, these are unbelievable people that I've gotten to know over a period of years, [17:28] whose children have been killed, brutally killed, by people that came into the country illegally. [17:33] You have thousands of mothers and fathers and relatives all over the country. They're coming in [17:39] illegally. Drugs are pouring in through the border. We have no country if we have no border. [17:44] Hillary wants to give amnesty. She wants to have open borders. The border secure, as you know, [17:49] the border patrol agents, 16,500 plus ICE last week endorsed me. First time they've ever endorsed a [17:55] candidate. It means their job is tougher, but they know what's going on. They know it better than [18:01] anybody. They want strong borders. They feel we have to have strong borders. I was up in New Hampshire [18:07] the other day. The biggest complaint they have, it's with all of the problems going on in the world, [18:11] many of the problems caused by Hillary Clinton and by Barack Obama. All of the problems, their single [18:16] biggest problem is heroin that pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their [18:22] youth. It's poisoning the blood of their youth and plenty of other people. We have to have strong [18:28] borders. We have to keep the drugs out of our country. Right now, we're getting the drugs. They're [18:33] getting the cash. We need strong borders. We need absolute, we cannot give amnesty. Now, I want to [18:41] build the wall. We need the wall. The border patrol, ICE, they all want the wall. We stop the drugs. We [18:48] shore up the border. One of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, all of the bad ones. We [18:53] have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out. We're going to get them out. We're going to [18:58] secure the border, and once the border is secured, at a later date, we'll make a determination as to [19:03] the rest. But we have some bad hombres here, and we're going to get them out. Mr. Trump, thank you. [19:10] Same question to you, Secretary Clinton. Basically, why are you right and Mr. Trump is wrong? Well, [19:16] as he was talking, I was thinking about a young girl I met here in Las Vegas, Carla, who was very [19:23] worried that her parents might be deported because she was born in this country, but they were not. [19:29] They work hard. They do everything they can to give her a good life. And you're right. I don't want to [19:35] rip families apart. I don't want to be sending parents away from children. I don't want to see [19:41] the deportation force that Donald has talked about in action in our country. We have 11 million [19:48] undocumented people. They have 4 million American citizen children, 15 million people. He said as [19:55] recently as a few weeks ago in Phoenix that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation. [20:01] Now, here's what that means. It means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence, [20:07] where law enforcement officers would be going school to school, home to home, business to business, [20:13] rounding up people who are undocumented. And we would then have to put them on trains, [20:20] on buses to get them out of our country. I think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we [20:28] are as a nation. I think it's an idea that would rip our country apart. I have been for border security [20:35] for years. I voted for border security in the United States Senate. And my comprehensive immigration [20:41] reform plan, of course, includes border security. But I want to put our resources where I think [20:47] they're most needed. Getting rid of any violent person, anybody who should be deported, we should [20:54] deport them. When it comes to the wall that Donald talks about building, he went to Mexico. He had a [20:59] meeting with the Mexican president. Didn't even raise it. He choked. And then got into a Twitter war [21:05] because the Mexican president said we're not paying for that wall. So I think we are both a nation of [21:10] immigrants and we are a nation of laws and that we can act accordingly. And that's why I'm introducing [21:17] comprehensive immigration reform within the first 100 days with a path to citizenship. Thank you, [21:22] Secretary Clinton. I want to follow up. I think I should respond to that. First of all, I had a very [21:28] good meeting with the president of Mexico. Very nice man. We will be doing very much better with Mexico [21:34] on trade deals, believe me. The NAFTA deal signed by her husband is one of the worst deals ever made of [21:39] any kind, signed by anybody. It's a disaster. Hillary Clinton wanted the wall. Hillary Clinton [21:46] fought for the wall in 2006 or thereabouts. Now, she never gets anything done. So naturally, [21:53] the wall wasn't built. But Hillary Clinton wanted the wall. We are a country of laws. [22:00] We either have... And by the way... No, wait. I'd like to hear from... [22:03] Well, but you said one thing. I'd like to hear from... [22:04] Well, but you said one thing. I'd like to hear from... I'd like to hear from Secretary Clinton. [22:06] I voted for border security. And there are some... [22:09] And the wall. There are some limited places where that was appropriate. [22:13] There also is necessarily going to be new technology and how best to deploy that. [22:19] But it is clear when you look at what Donald has been proposing, [22:23] he started his campaign bashing immigrants, calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals and [22:28] drug dealers, that he has a very different view about what we should do to deal with immigrants. [22:35] Now, what I am also arguing is that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows, [22:43] putting them into the formal economy will be good because then employers can't exploit them [22:48] and undercut Americans' wages. And Donald knows a lot about this. He used [22:52] undocumented labor to build the Trump Tower. He underpaid undocumented workers. [22:57] And when they complained, he basically said what a lot of employers do. [23:01] You complain, I'll get you deported. I want to get everybody out of the shadows, [23:06] get the economy working, and not let employers like Donald exploit undocumented workers, [23:11] which hurts them, but also hurts American workers. [23:13] Mr. Trump. President Obama has moved millions of [23:16] people out. Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, [23:20] millions of people have been moved out of this country. They've been deported. [23:23] She doesn't want to say that, but that's what's happened. And that's what's happened big league. [23:28] As far as moving these people out and moving, we either have a country or we don't. We're a country [23:34] of laws. We either have a border or we don't. Now, you can come back in and you can become a citizen, [23:40] but it's very unfair. We have millions of people that did it the right way. They're online, [23:44] they're waiting. We're going to speed up the process, big league, because it's very inefficient. [23:49] But they're online and they're waiting to become citizens. Very unfair that somebody runs across [23:53] the border, becomes a citizen. Under her plan, you have open borders. You would have a disaster on [23:58] trade and you will have a disaster with your open borders. But what she doesn't say is that [24:03] President Obama has deported millions and millions of people just the way it is. [24:08] Secretary Clinton, I want to... We will not have open borders. That is a [24:13] rank mischaracterization. We will have secure borders, but we will also have reform. And this [24:20] used to be a bipartisan issue. Ronald Reagan was the last president to sign immigration reform, [24:26] and George W. Bush supported it as well. Secretary Clinton, I want to clear up your [24:30] position on this issue because in a speech you gave to a Brazilian bank for which you were paid [24:35] $225,000. We've learned from the WikiLeaks that you said this, and I want to quote, [24:41] my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders. So that's the question. [24:48] Thank you. [24:50] That's the question. Please quiet everybody. Is that your dream, open borders? [24:54] Well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, I was talking about energy. You know, [25:00] we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. And I do want [25:06] us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. I think that would be a great [25:13] benefit to us. But you are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks. And what's really important about [25:19] WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans. They have hacked [25:29] American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions. Then they have given that [25:37] information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. This has come from the highest [25:44] levels of the Russian government, clearly from Putin himself, in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence [25:51] agencies have confirmed, to influence our election. So I actually think the most important question of this [25:58] evening, Chris, is finally will Donald Trump admit and condemn that the Russians are doing this [26:06] and make it clear that he will not have the help of Putin in this election, that he rejects [26:14] Russian espionage against Americans, which he actually encouraged in the past. Those are the questions [26:21] we need answered. We've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before. [26:25] That was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders. Okay? How did we get onto Putin? [26:31] Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, folks, because this is going to end up getting out of control. Let's [26:37] try to keep it quiet for the candidates and for the American people. [26:41] So just to finish on the borders, she wants open borders. People are going to pour into our country. [26:47] People are going to come in from Syria. She wants 550 percent more people than Barack Obama. And he has [26:54] thousands and thousands of people. They have no idea where they come from. And you see, we are going to [26:59] stop radical Islamic terrorism in this country. She won't even mention the words and neither will [27:05] President Obama. So I just want to tell you, she wants open borders. Now we can talk about Putin. I don't [27:10] know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia and the [27:17] United States got along well and went after ISIS, that would be good. He has no respect for her. [27:23] He has no respect for our president. And I'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble [27:28] because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1,800, by the way, [27:35] where they expanded and we didn't, 1,800 nuclear warheads. And she's playing chicken. Look, [27:43] from everything I see has no respect for this person. Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet [27:50] as president of the United States. No puppet. No puppet. And it's pretty clear. You're the puppet. [27:54] It's pretty clear. You won't admit that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the United [28:00] States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to [28:08] spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do, [28:15] and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. [28:24] So I think that this is such an unprecedented situation. We've never had a foreign government [28:31] trying to interfere in our election. We have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, [28:38] who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyber attacks come from the highest levels [28:46] of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing. [28:52] Secretary Clinton. She has no idea whether it's Russia, [28:56] China, or anybody else. I am not quoting myself. She has no idea. [28:59] I am quoting 17, 17 intelligence, do you doubt 17 military and civilian agencies? [29:07] Well, he'd rather believe Vladimir Putin than the military and civilian intelligence professionals [29:14] who are sworn to protect us. I find that just absolute... [29:18] She doesn't like Putin because Putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way. [29:23] Excuse me. Putin has outsmarted her in Syria. He's outsmarted her every step of the way. [29:30] I do get to ask some questions. Yes, that's fine. [29:32] And I would like to ask you this direct question. The top national security officials of this country [29:37] do believe that Russia has been behind these hacks. Even if you don't know for sure whether they are, [29:44] do you condemn any interference by Russia in the American election? [29:48] By Russia or anybody else? [29:50] You condemn their interference? [29:52] Of course I condemn. Of course I can. I don't know Putin. [29:55] I have no idea. I'm asking you that. [29:56] I never met Putin. This is not my best friend. But if the United States got along with Russia, [30:01] wouldn't be so bad. Let me tell you, Putin has outsmarted her and Obama at every single step of [30:07] the way, whether it's Syria, you name it, missiles. Take a look at the startup that they signed. [30:15] The Russians have said, according to many, many reports, I can't believe they allowed us to do [30:20] this. They create warheads and we can't. The Russians can't believe it. She has been outsmarted by [30:27] Putin. And all you have to do is look at the Middle East. They've taken over. [30:30] We've spent $6 trillion. They've taken over the Middle East. She has been outsmarted and outplayed [30:36] worse than anybody I've ever seen in any government whatsoever. [30:40] We're a long way away from immigration, but I'm going to let you finish this topic. [30:45] You've got about 45 seconds. [30:46] And she always will be. [30:48] I find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapons. This is a person who has been very [30:56] cavalier, even casual, about the use of nuclear weapons. He's advocated more countries getting [31:01] them, Japan, Korea, even Saudi Arabia. He said, well, if we have them, why don't we use them, [31:06] which I think is terrifying. But here's the deal. The bottom line on nuclear weapons is [31:12] that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. There's about four minutes between the [31:19] order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. [31:26] And that's why 10 people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out [31:31] and in an unprecedented way said they would not trust Donald Trump with the nuclear codes [31:37] or to have his finger on the nuclear button. [31:39] I have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 Congressional Medal of Honor recipients. [31:48] As far as Japan and other countries, we are being ripped off by everybody in the world. [31:54] We're defending other countries. We are spending a fortune doing it. They have the bargain of the [31:59] century. All I said is we have to renegotiate these agreements because our country cannot afford [32:05] to defend Saudi Arabia, Japan, Germany, South Korea and many other places. [32:10] We cannot continue to afford. She took that as saying nuclear weapons. Look, [32:16] she's been proven to be a liar on so many different ways. This is just another lie. [32:21] Well, I'm just quoting you when you were asked about a potential nuclear competition in Asia. [32:31] You said, you know, go ahead, enjoy yourselves, folks. That kind of language that, well, [32:38] And defend yourselves. I didn't say nuclear and defend yourself. [32:42] The United States has kept the peace through our alliances. Donald wants to tear up our alliances. [32:48] I think it makes the world safer and frankly, it makes the United States safer. I would work with [32:53] our allies in Asia, in Europe, in the Middle East and elsewhere. That's the only way we're going to be [32:59] able to keep the peace. We are going to move on to the next topic, [33:03] which is the economy. And I hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. [33:09] You also have very different ideas about how to get the economy growing faster. Secretary Clinton, [33:14] in your plan, government plays a big role. You see more government spending, more entitlements, [33:23] more tax credits, more tax penalties. Mr. Trump, you want to get government out with lower taxes [33:28] and less regulation. We're going to drill down into this a little bit more. But in this overview, [33:33] please explain to me why you believe that your plan will create more jobs and growth for this [33:39] country and your opponent's plan will not. In this round, you go for a Secretary Clinton. [33:44] Well, I think when the middle class thrives, America thrives. And so my plan is based on growing [33:50] the economy, giving middle class families many more opportunities. I want us to have the biggest [33:56] jobs programs since World War II, jobs in infrastructure and advanced manufacturing. [34:02] I think we can compete with high wage countries, and I believe we should. New jobs and clean energy, [34:07] not only to fight climate change, which is a serious problem, but to create new opportunities and [34:12] new businesses. I want us to do more to help small business. That's where two thirds of the new jobs are [34:17] going to come from. I want us to raise the national minimum wage because people who live in poverty [34:23] should not, who work full-time, should not still be in poverty. And I sure do want to make sure women [34:28] get equal pay for the work we do. I feel strongly that we have to have an education system that starts [34:34] with preschool and goes through college. That's why I want more technical education in high schools and [34:40] in community colleges, real apprenticeships to prepare young people for the jobs of the future. [34:45] I want to make college debt-free and for families making less than $125,000. [34:50] You will not get a tuition bill from a public college or university if the plan that I worked [34:55] on with Bernie Sanders is enacted. And we're going to work hard to make sure that it is because [35:02] we are going to go where the money is. Most of the gains in the last years since the great recession [35:08] have gone to the very top. So we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share. We're going to have [35:14] corporations make a contribution greater than they are now to our country. That is a plan that has been [35:20] analyzed by independent experts which said that it could produce 10 million new jobs. By contrast, [35:27] Donald's plan has been analyzed to conclude it might lose 3.5 million jobs. Why? Because his whole plan [35:34] is to cut taxes to give the biggest tax breaks ever to the wealthy and to corporations, [35:41] adding 20 trillion dollars to our debt and causing the kind of dislocation that we have seen before [35:48] because it truly will be trickle-down economics on steroids. So the plan I have, I think, will [35:54] actually produce greater opportunities. The plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another [36:00] great recession. Secretary, thank you. Mr. Trump, why will your plan create more jobs and growth than [36:06] Secretary Clinton? Well, first of all, before I start on my plan, [36:09] her plan is going to raise taxes and even double your taxes. Her tax plan is a disaster and she can [36:15] say all she wants about college tuition and I'm a big proponent. We're going to do a lot of things for [36:20] college tuition, but the rest of the public is going to be paying for it. We will have a massive, massive [36:25] tax increase under Hillary Clinton's plan. But I'd like to start off where we left because when I said Japan [36:33] and Germany, and I'm not to single them out, but South Korea, these are very rich, powerful countries. [36:40] Saudi Arabia, nothing but money. We protect Saudi Arabia. Why aren't they paying? She immediately, [36:46] when she heard this, I questioned it. And I questioned NATO. Why aren't the NATO questioned? [36:50] Why aren't they paying? Because they weren't paying. Since I did this, this was a year ago, [36:54] all of a sudden they're paying. And I've been given a lot of, a lot of credit for it. All of a sudden, [36:58] they're starting to pay up. They have to pay up. We're protecting people. They have to pay up. [37:02] And I'm a big fan of NATO, but they have to pay up. She comes out and said, we love our allies. We [37:08] think our allies are great. Well, it's awfully hard to get them to pay up when you have somebody saying, [37:13] we think how great they are. We have to tell Japan in a very nice way. We have to tell Germany, [37:18] all of these countries, South Korea. We have to say, you have to help us out. We have, [37:24] during his regime, during President Obama's regime, we've doubled our national debt. We're [37:30] up to $20 trillion. So my plan, we're going to renegotiate trade deals. We're going to have a lot [37:35] of free trade. We're going to have free trade, more free trade than we have right now. But we have [37:38] horrible deals. Our jobs are being taken out by the deal that her husband signed, NAFTA, [37:43] one of the worst deals ever. Our jobs are being sucked out of our economy. [37:47] You look at all of the places that I just left. You go to Pennsylvania. You go to Ohio. [37:51] You go to Florida. You go to any of them. You go upstate New York. Our jobs have fled to Mexico [37:57] and other places. We're bringing our jobs back. I am going to renegotiate NAFTA. And if I can't [38:02] make a great deal, then we're going to terminate NAFTA and we're going to create new deals. We're [38:06] going to have trade. But we're going to terminate it. We're going to make a great trade deal. And if we [38:11] can't, we're going to go a separate way, because it has been a disaster. We are going to cut [38:17] taxes massively. We're going to cut business taxes massively. They're going to start hiring people. [38:22] We're going to bring the two and a half trillion dollars that's offshore back into the country. [38:26] We are going to start the engine rolling again, because right now our country is dying at 1% GDP. [38:33] Well, let me translate that if I can, Chris, because the fact is he's going to advocate for [38:41] the largest tax cuts we've ever seen, three times more than the tax cuts under the Bush administration. [38:48] I have said repeatedly throughout this campaign, I will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 [38:55] or less. I also will not add a penny to the debt. I have costed out what I'm going to do. He will, [39:03] through his massive tax cuts, add $20 trillion to the debt. Well, he mentioned the debt. We know [39:09] how to get control of the debt. When my husband was president, we went from a $300 billion deficit [39:14] to a $200 billion surplus. And we were actually on the path to eliminating the national debt. When [39:20] President Obama came into office, he inherited the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. [39:25] He has cut the deficit by two thirds. So yes, one of the ways you go after the debt, one of the ways [39:32] you create jobs is by investing in people. So I do have investments, investments in new jobs, [39:39] investments in education, skill training, and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay [39:45] ahead. That's the kind of approach that will work. Cutting taxes on the wealthy, [39:50] we've tried that. It has not worked the way that it has been promised. [39:55] Secretary Clinton, I want to pursue your plan, because in many ways, [39:59] it is similar to the Obama stimulus plan in 2009, which has led to the slowest GDP growth since 1949. [40:10] Correct. Thank you, sir. [40:13] You told me in July when we spoke that the problem is that President Obama didn't get [40:18] to do enough in what he was trying to do with his stimulus. So is your plan basically more, [40:24] even more of the Obama stimulus? Well, it's a combination, Chris. And let me say that [40:30] when you inherit the level of economic catastrophe that President Obama inherited, [40:37] it was a real touch and go situation. I was in the Senate before I became Secretary of State. [40:43] I've never seen people as physically distraught as the Bush administration [40:50] team was because of what was happening to the economy. I personally believe that the steps that [40:57] President Obama took saved the economy. He doesn't get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard [41:04] positions. But it was a terrible recession. So now we've dug ourselves out of it. We're standing, [41:10] but we're not yet running. So what I am proposing is that we invest from the middle out and the ground [41:17] up, not the top down. That is not going to work. That's why what I have put forward doesn't add a penny to [41:24] the debt. But it is the kind of approach that will enable more people to take those new jobs, [41:31] higher paying jobs. We're beginning to see some increase in incomes. And we certainly have had a long [41:37] string of increasing jobs. We've got to do more to get the whole economy moving. And that's what I believe [41:44] I will be able to do. Mr. Trump, even conservative economists who have looked at your plan [41:49] and say that the numbers don't add up, that your idea and you've talked about 25 million jobs created [41:56] 4 percent. Over a 10 year period. Growth is unrealistic. And they say you talk a lot about [42:03] growing the energy industry. They say with oil prices as low as they are right now, that's [42:07] unrealistic as well. Your response. So I just left some high representatives of India. [42:14] They're growing at 8 percent. China is growing at 7 percent. And that for them is a catastrophically [42:20] low number. We are growing. Our last report came out and it's right around the 1 percent [42:26] level. And I think it's going down. Last week, as you know, the end of last week, [42:31] they came out with an anemic jobs report, a terrible jobs report. In fact, I said, [42:36] is that the last jobs report before the election? Because if it is, I should win easily. It was so bad. [42:42] The report was so bad. Look, our country is stagnant. We've lost our jobs. We've lost our businesses. [42:50] We're not making things anymore, relatively speaking. Our product is pouring in from China, [42:56] pouring in from Vietnam, pouring in from all over the world. I've visited so many communities. This has [43:01] been such an incredible education for me, Chris. I've gotten to know so many. I've developed so many [43:06] friends over the last year. And they cry when they see what's happened. I passed factories that were [43:12] thriving 20, 25 years ago. And because of the bill that her husband signed and she blessed 100 percent, [43:19] it is just horrible what's happened to these people in these communities. Now, [43:23] she can say that her husband did well, but boy, did they suffer as NAFTA kicked in, [43:28] because it didn't really kick in very much, but it kicked in after they left. Boy, did they suffer. [43:33] That was one of the worst things that's ever been signed by our country. Now she wants to sign [43:37] trans-Pacific partnership, and she wants it. She lied when she said she didn't call it the gold [43:42] standard in one of the debates. She totally lied. She did call it the gold standard, and they actually [43:47] fact-checked, and they said, I was right. I was so honored. I want to give you a chance to briefly [43:52] speak to that, and then I want to pivot to one-sixth of the economy, which is Obamacare. [43:56] But go ahead, briefly. Well, first, let me say number one. When I saw the final agreement for TPP, [44:03] I said I was against it. It didn't meet my tests. I've had the same tests. Does it create jobs, [44:08] raise incomes, and further our national security? I'm against it now. I'll be against it after the [44:13] election. I'll be against it when I'm president. There's only one of us on this stage who's [44:17] actually shipped jobs to Mexico, because that's Donald. He's shipped jobs to 12 countries, [44:22] including Mexico. But he mentioned China. And, you know, one of the biggest problems we have with [44:26] China is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets. I have fought against that. [44:33] As a senator, I've stood up against it as Secretary of State. Donald has bought Chinese steel and [44:38] aluminum. In fact, the Trump hotel right here in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel. So he goes [44:44] around with crocodile tears about how terrible it is. But he has given jobs to Chinese steel workers, [44:49] not American steel workers. Mr. Trump? [44:51] That's the kind of approach that is just not going to work. We're going to pull the country together. [44:57] We're going to have trade agreements that we enforce. That's why I'm going to have [45:00] a trade prosecutor for the first time in history. And we're going to enforce those agreements. [45:05] And we're going to look for businesses to help us by buying American products. [45:10] Go ahead, Mr. Trump. I ask a simple question. [45:12] She's been doing this for 30 years. Why the hell didn't you do it over the last 15, [45:17] 20 years? You were very much involved. Excuse me. My turn. You were very much involved [45:23] in every aspect of this country. Very much. And you do have experience. I'd say the one thing [45:28] you have over me is experience. But it's bad experience. Because what you've done has turned [45:32] out badly. For 30 years, you've been in a position to help. And if you say that I use steel or I use [45:38] something else, I make it impossible for me to do that. I wouldn't mind. The problem is you talk, [45:45] but you don't get anything done, Hillary. You don't. Just like when you ran the State Department, [45:50] $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State Department. $6 billion was either [45:58] stolen. They don't know. It's gone. $6 billion. If you become president, this country is going to be [46:07] in some mess. Believe me. Well, first of all, what he just said about the State Department is [46:13] not only untrue, it's been debunked numerous times. But I think it's really an important issue. He raised [46:20] the 30 years of experience. So let me just talk briefly about that. You know, back in the 1970s, [46:26] I worked for the Children's Defense Fund. And I was taking on discrimination against African-American [46:32] kids in schools. He was getting sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination [46:37] in his apartment buildings. In the 1980s, I was working to reform the schools in Arkansas. [46:43] He was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. In the 1990s, [46:48] I went to Beijing and I said, women's rights are human rights. He insulted a former Miss Universe, [46:54] Alicia Machado, called her an eating machine. And on the day when I was in the situation room, [47:00] monitoring the raid that brought Osama bin Laden to justice, he was hosting the Celebrity Apprentice. [47:07] So I'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience, what I've done for this country, trying to help in [47:13] every way I could, especially kids and families, get ahead and stay ahead with your 30 years. And [47:19] I'll let the American people make that decision. Well, I think I did a much better job. I built a [47:24] massive company, a great company, some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, [47:29] worth many, many billions of dollars. I started with a $1 million loan. I agree with that. It's a $1 [47:35] million loan. But I built a phenomenal company. And if we could run our country the way I've run my [47:41] company, we would have a country that you would be so proud of. You would even be proud of it. And [47:47] frankly, when you look at her real record, take a look at Syria, take a look at the migration, [47:54] take a look at Libya, take a look at Iraq. She gave us ISIS because her and Obama created this huge [48:00] vacuum. And a small group came out of that huge vacuum because we should have never been in Iraq. [48:07] But once we were there, we should have never got out the way they wanted to get out. [48:10] She gave us ISIS as sure as you are sitting there. And what happened is now ISIS is in 32 countries. [48:17] And now I listen how she's going to get rid of ISIS. She's going to get rid of nobody. [48:22] All right. We are going to get to foreign hot spots in a few moments. But the next segment is [48:28] fitness to be president of the United States. Mr. Trump, at the last debate, [48:33] you said your talk about grabbing women was just that talk and that you'd never actually done it. [48:40] And since then, as we all know, nine women have come forward and said that you either [48:46] groped them or kissed them without their consent. Why would so many different women from so many [48:54] different circumstances over so many different years, why would they all in this last couple of [48:59] weeks make up? You denied us. Why would they all make up these stories? And since this is a question [49:04] for both of you, Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump says what your husband did and that you defended was [49:12] even worse. Mr. Trump, you go first. Well, first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. [49:18] Those people, I don't know those people. I have a feeling how they came. I believe it was her [49:22] campaign that did it. Just like if you look at what came out today on the clips, where I was wondering, [49:29] what happened with my rally in Chicago and other rallies where we had such violence, [49:34] she's the one in Obama that caused the violence. They hired people. They paid them $1,500, [49:41] and they're on tape saying, be violent, cause fights, do bad things. I would say the only way, [49:47] because those stories are all totally false. I have to say that. And I didn't even apologize to my wife, [49:52] who's sitting right here, because I didn't do anything. I didn't know any of these women. I didn't see [49:58] these women. These women, the woman on the plane, the woman, I think they want either fame or her [50:04] campaign did it. And I think it's her campaign because what I saw, what they did, which is a [50:10] criminal act, by the way, where they're telling people to go out and start fistfights and start [50:15] violence. And I'll tell you what, in particular in Chicago, people were hurt and people could have [50:20] been killed in that riot. And that was now all on tape, started by her. I believe, Chris, that she [50:28] got these people to step forward. If it wasn't, they get their 10 minutes of fame. But they were all [50:35] totally, it was all fiction. It was lies and it was fiction. Secretary Clinton. At the last debate, [50:42] we heard Donald talking about what he did to women. And after that, a number of women [50:50] have come forward saying that's exactly what he did to them. Now, what was his response? Well, [50:57] he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done [51:04] those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for them to be assaulted. [51:10] I did not say that. I did not say that. [51:11] In fact, he went on to say... Her two minutes, sir, her two minutes. [51:15] But did not say that. It's her two minutes. [51:17] He went on to say, look at her. I don't think so. About another woman, he said, [51:24] that wouldn't be my first choice. He attacked the woman reporter writing the story, called her [51:31] disgusting, as he has called a number of women during this campaign. Donald thinks belittling [51:38] women makes him bigger. He goes after their dignity, their self-worth. And I don't think there is a [51:46] woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. So we now know what Donald thinks and what [51:53] he says and how he acts toward women. That's who Donald is. I think it's really up to all of us [52:01] to demonstrate who we are and who our country is and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect [52:10] from our next president, how we want to bring our country together, where we don't want to have the [52:18] kind of pitting of people one against the other, where instead we celebrate our diversity, we lift [52:25] people up, and we make our country even greater. America is great because America is good. And it [52:34] really is up to all of us to make that true now and in the future, and particularly for our children [52:42] and our grandchildren. Mr. Trump. Nobody has more respect for women than I do. Nobody. Nobody has more [52:49] respect. Please, everybody. And frankly, those stories have been largely debunked. And I really [52:57] want to just talk about something slightly different. She mentions this, which is all fiction, [53:04] all fictionalized, probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign. But I will tell you, [53:12] what isn't fictionalized are her emails, where she destroyed 33,000 emails criminally, criminally, [53:19] after getting a subpoena from the United States Congress. What happened to the FBI? I don't know. [53:26] We have a great general, four-star general, today, you read it in all the papers, [53:32] going to potentially serve five years in jail for lying to the FBI. One lie. She's lied hundreds of [53:41] times to the people, to Congress, and to the FBI. He's going to probably go to jail. This is a four-star [53:50] general. And she gets away with it, and she can run for the presidency of the United States. That's [53:57] really what you should be talking about, not fiction, where somebody wants fame or where they come out of [54:02] her crooked campaign. Secretary Clinton. Well, every time Donald is pushed on something, which is [54:10] obviously uncomfortable, like what these women are saying, he immediately goes to denying responsibility. [54:22] And it's not just about women. He never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. So we know what he [54:29] has said and what he's done to women. But he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him [54:37] on national television. He went after Mr. and Mrs. Khan, the parents of a young man who died [54:46] serving our country, a gold star family because of their religion. He went after John McCain, [54:52] a prisoner of war, said he prefers people who aren't captured. He went after a federal judge, [55:00] born in Indiana, but who Donald said couldn't be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering case [55:07] against Trump University because his parents were Mexican. So it's not one thing. This is a pattern, [55:14] a pattern of divisiveness of a very dark and in many ways, dangerous vision of our country, [55:21] where he incites violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his [55:28] rallies. That is not who America is. And I hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, [55:37] more and more people will understand what's at stake in this election. It really does come down to [55:43] what kind of country we are going to have. So sad when she talks about violence at my rallies and she [55:49] caused the violence. It's on tape. The other things are false, but honestly, I'd love to talk about [55:56] getting rid of ISIS and I'd love to talk about other things. But those other charges, as she knows, [56:00] are false. In this bucket about fitness to be president, there's been a lot of developments [56:06] over the last 10 days since the last debate. I'd like to ask you about them. These are questions [56:11] that the American people have. Secretary Clinton, during your 2009 Senate confirmation hearing, [56:16] you promised to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest with your dealing with the [56:22] Clinton Foundation while you were Secretary of State. But emails show [56:26] the donors got special access to you. Those seeking grants for Haiti relief were considered [56:33] separately from non-donors. And some of those donors got contract, government contracts, taxpayer money. [56:41] Can you really say that you kept your pledge to that Senate committee? And why isn't what happened [56:45] and what went on between you and the Clinton Foundation, why isn't it what Mr. Trump calls pay to play? [56:53] Well, everything I did as Secretary of State was in furtherance of our country's interests and our [56:59] values. The State Department has said that. I think that's been proven. But I am happy. In fact, [57:04] I'm thrilled to talk about the Clinton Foundation because it is a world-renowned charity. And I am so [57:10] proud of the work that it does. You know, I could talk for the rest of the debate. I know I don't have [57:15] the time to do that. But just briefly, the Clinton Foundation made it possible for 11 million people [57:22] around the world with HIV-AIDS to afford treatment. And that's about half of all the people in the [57:28] world who are getting treatment. In partnership with the American Health Association, we have made [57:34] environments and schools healthier for kids, including healthier punches. [57:38] Secretary Clinton, respectfully, this is an open discussion. [57:40] Well, it is an open discussion. I understand. And this specific [57:42] question went to pay for play. Do you want to talk about that? [57:44] Well, I think it's been very well studied. It's been very well studied. And it's a criminal [57:52] enterprise. And so many people know it. It's a criminal enterprise. Saudi Arabia giving 25 [57:59] million dollars. Qatar, all of these countries. You talk about women and women's rights. So these [58:05] are people that push gays off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. [58:13] And yet you take their money. So I'd like to ask you right now, why don't you give back the money [58:19] that you've taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? Why don't [58:25] you give back the money? I think it would be a great gesture. Because she takes a tremendous amount [58:30] of money. And you take a look at the people of Haiti. I was at a little Haiti the other day in Florida. [58:36] And I want to tell you, they hate the Clintons. Because what's happened in Haiti with the Clinton [58:41] Foundation is a disgrace. And you know it. And they know it. And everybody knows it. Secretary Clinton. [58:48] Well, very quickly, we at the Clinton Foundation spend 90 percent, 90 percent of all the money that [58:55] is donated on behalf of programs of people around the world and in our own country. I'm very proud of [59:01] that. We have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. And I'd be happy to compare [59:07] what we do with the Trump Foundation, which took money from other people and bought a six-foot [59:12] portrait of Donald. I mean, who does that? It just was astonishing. But when it comes to Haiti, [59:19] Haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. The earthquake and the hurricanes, it has devastated [59:25] Haiti. Bill and I have been involved in trying to help Haiti for many years. The Clinton Foundation [59:30] raised 30 million dollars to help Haiti after the catastrophic earthquake and all of the terrible [59:37] problems the people there had. We've done things to help small businesses, agriculture and so much [59:43] else. And we're going to keep working to help Haiti because it's an important part of the American [59:48] experience. They don't want you to help them anymore. I'd like to mention one thing. Trump Foundation, [59:54] small foundation, people contribute, I contribute. The money goes 100 percent, 100 percent goes to [1:00:00] different charities, including a lot of military. I don't get anything. I don't buy boats. I don't [1:00:05] buy planes. What happens is the money goes out. Wasn't some of the money used to settle your [1:00:09] lawsuit, sir? No, it was we put up the American flag and that's it. They put up the American flag. We [1:00:15] fought for the right in Palm Beach to put up the American flag. There was a penalty that was imposed [1:00:20] by Palm Beach County. There was. And the money came from your foundation. And by the way, the money went to [1:00:26] Fisher House where they build houses, the money that you're talking about, went to Fisher House [1:00:32] where they build houses for veterans and disabled. I want to get into one last. But of course, there's [1:00:36] no way we can know whether any of that is true because he hasn't released his tax returns. He is [1:00:40] the first candidate ever to run for president in the last 40 plus years who has not released his tax [1:00:46] returns. So everything he says about charity or anything else, we can't prove it. You can look at our [1:00:53] tax returns. We've got them all out there. But what is really troubling is that we learned in the last [1:01:00] debate he has not paid a penny in federal income tax. And we were talking about immigrants a few [1:01:06] minutes ago, Chris. You know, half of all immigrants, undocumented immigrants in our country actually pay [1:01:12] federal income tax. So we have undocumented immigrants in America who are paying more federal [1:01:18] income tax than a billionaire. I find that just astonishing. So let me just tell you very simply, [1:01:22] we're entitled because of the laws that people like her pass to take massive amounts of depreciation [1:01:28] on other charges. And we do it. And all of her donors, just about all of them. I know Buffett took [1:01:33] hundreds of millions of dollars. Soros, George Soros took hundreds of millions of dollars. Let me just [1:01:38] explain. All of her donors, most of her donors have done the same thing as I do. And you know what [1:01:44] you should have done? And you know, Hillary, what you should have done? You should have changed the [1:01:48] law when you were a United States Senator. Folks, we heard this. Because your donors and your special [1:01:53] interests are doing the same thing as I do, except even more so. You should have changed the law, [1:01:58] but you won't change the law because you've taken so much money. I mean, I sat in my apartment today [1:02:05] on a very beautiful hotel down the street known as Trump. Made with Chinese steel. But I will tell you, [1:02:09] I sat there, I sat there watching ad after ad after ad, false ad, all paid for by your friends [1:02:18] on Wall Street that gave so much money because they know you're going to protect them. And frankly, [1:02:24] you should have changed the law. If you don't like what I did, you should have changed the law. [1:02:28] Mr. Trump, I want to ask you about one last question in this topic. You have been warning [1:02:33] at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of [1:02:41] trying to steal it from you. Your running mate, Governor Pence, pledged on Sunday that he and you, [1:02:49] his words, will absolutely accept the result of this election. Today, your daughter Ivanka [1:02:56] said the same thing. I want to ask you here on this stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that [1:03:01] you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? [1:03:06] I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now. I'll look at it at the time. [1:03:10] What I've seen, what I've seen is so bad. First of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt [1:03:17] and the pylon is so amazing. The New York Times actually wrote an article about it that they don't [1:03:22] even care. It's so dishonest and they've poisoned the minds of the voters. But unfortunately for them, [1:03:28] I think the voters are seeing through it. I think they're going to see through it. We'll find out on [1:03:32] November 8th, but I think they're going to see through it. But sir, there's a- [1:03:35] If you look, excuse me, Chris, if you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people [1:03:41] that are registered to vote. Millions. This isn't coming from me. This is coming from Pure Report [1:03:46] and other places. Millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to [1:03:52] vote. So let me just give you one other thing. So I talk about the corrupt media. I talk about the millions of [1:03:58] people. I'll tell you one other thing. She shouldn't be allowed to run. She's guilty of a very, [1:04:05] very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run. And just in that respect, I say it's rigged [1:04:14] because she should never, Chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based [1:04:20] on what she did with emails and so many other things. But sir, there is a tradition in this country. [1:04:26] In fact, one of the prizes of this country is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter [1:04:31] how hard fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign that the loser concedes to the winner, [1:04:38] not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes [1:04:42] to the winner and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. Are you saying [1:04:47] you're not prepared now to commit to that principle? What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the [1:04:51] time, I'll keep you in suspense. Well, Chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. [1:04:57] You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims [1:05:02] whatever it is is rigged against him. The FBI conducted a year-long investigation into my emails. [1:05:09] They concluded there was no case. He said the FBI was rigged. He lost the Iowa caucus. He lost the [1:05:15] Wisconsin primary. He said the Republican primary was rigged against him. Then Trump University gets [1:05:22] sued for fraud and racketeering. He claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. [1:05:28] There was even a time when he didn't get an Emmy for his TV program three years in a row, [1:05:34] and he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged. Should have gotten it. [1:05:38] This is a mindset. This is how Donald thinks. And it's funny, but it's also really troubling. [1:05:46] Okay. That is not the way our democracy works. We've been around for 240 years. We've had free [1:05:53] and fair elections. We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them. And that is what [1:05:59] must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. You know, President [1:06:05] Obama said the other day, when you're whining before the game is even finished, it just shows [1:06:12] you're not up to doing the job. And let's, you know, let's be clear about what he is saying and [1:06:17] what that means. He is denigrating. He's talking down our democracy. And I, for one, am appalled [1:06:24] that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. [1:06:30] I think what the FBI did and what the Department of Justice did, including meeting with her husband, [1:06:36] the attorney general, on the back of an airplane on the tarmac in Arizona, I think it's disgraceful. [1:06:43] I think it's a disgrace. I think we've never had a situation so bad. Hold on, folks. This, [1:06:48] this doesn't do any good for anyone. Let's please continue the debate and let's move on to the subject [1:06:53] of foreign hotspots. The Iraqi offensive to take back Mosul has begun. If they are successful in [1:07:02] pushing ISIS out of that city and out of all of Iraq, the question then becomes, what happens the [1:07:09] day after? And that's something that whichever of you ends up, whoever of you ends up as president, [1:07:13] is going to have to confront. Will you put U.S. troops into that vacuum to make sure that ISIS doesn't [1:07:21] come back or isn't replaced by something even worse? Secretary Clinton, you go first in this [1:07:26] segment. You have two minutes. Well, I am encouraged that there is an effort led by the Iraqi army, [1:07:35] supported by Kurdish forces and also given the help and advice from the number of special forces and [1:07:44] other Americans on the ground. But I will not support putting American soldiers into Iraq as an [1:07:51] occupying force. I don't think that is in our interests and I don't think that would be smart [1:07:56] to do. In fact, Chris, I think that would be a big red flag waving for ISIS to reconstitute itself. [1:08:03] The goal here is to take back Mosul. It's going to be a hard fight. I've got no allusions about that. [1:08:10] And then continue to press into Syria to begin to take back and move on Raqqa, which is the ISIS headquarters. [1:08:18] I am hopeful that the hard work that American military advisors have done will pay off and that [1:08:25] we will see a really successful military operation. But we know we've got lots of work to do. Syria will [1:08:34] remain a hotbed of terrorism as long as the civil war aided and abetted by the Iranians and the Russians [1:08:41] continue. So I have said, look, we need to keep our eye on ISIS. That's why I want to have an [1:08:47] intelligence surge that protects us here at home. Why we have to go after them from the air, on the [1:08:52] ground, online. Why we have to make sure here at home we don't let terrorists buy weapons. If you're [1:08:57] too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous to buy a gun. And I'm going to continue to push for a [1:09:04] no-fly zone and safe havens within Syria, not only to help protect the Syrians and prevent the constant [1:09:12] outflow of refugees, but to frankly gain some leverage on both the Syrian government and the [1:09:17] Russians so that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict [1:09:23] to an end and go forward on a political track. Mr. Trump, same question. If we are able to push [1:09:30] ISIS out of Mosul and out of Iraq, would you be willing to put U.S. troops in there to prevent [1:09:38] their return or something else? Let me tell you, Mosul's so sad. We had Mosul. But when she left, [1:09:45] when she took everybody out, we lost Mosul. Now we're fighting again to get Mosul. The problem with [1:09:50] Mosul and what they wanted to do is they wanted to get the leaders of ISIS who they felt were in Mosul. [1:09:58] About three months ago, I started reading that they want to get the leaders and they're going to attack [1:10:04] Mosul. Whatever happened to the element of surprise, okay? We announced we're going after [1:10:10] Mosul. I've been reading about going after Mosul now for about how long is it, Hillary? Three months? [1:10:14] These people have all left. They've all left. The element of surprise, Douglas MacArthur, George [1:10:22] Patton spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. So we're now fighting [1:10:29] for Mosul that we had. All she had to do is stay there. Now we're going in to get it. But you know who [1:10:34] the big winner in Mosul is going to be after we eventually get it? And the only reason they did it [1:10:38] is because she's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. They want [1:10:43] to look good. He violated the red line in the sand and he made so many mistakes. Made all mistakes. [1:10:50] That's why we have the great migration. But she wanted to look good for the election. So they're going [1:10:55] in. But who's going to get Mosul really? We'll take Mosul eventually. By the way, if you look at what's [1:11:00] happening, much tougher than they thought. Much, much tougher, much more dangerous, going to be more deaths [1:11:05] than they thought. But the leaders that we wanted to get are all gone because they're smart. They [1:11:10] said, what do we need this for? So Mosul is going to be a wonderful thing and Iran should write us a [1:11:17] letter of thank you. Just like the really stupid, the stupidest deal of all time. A deal that's going [1:11:23] to give Iran absolutely nuclear weapons. Iran should write us yet another letter saying thank you very [1:11:30] much. Because Iran, as I said many years ago, Iran is taking over Iraq, something they've wanted to do [1:11:36] forever. But we've made it so easy for them. So we're now going to take Mosul. And you know who's going to be [1:11:42] the beneficiary? Iran. Boy, are they making. I mean, they are outsmarting. Look, you're not there. You might [1:11:49] be involved in that decision. But you were there when you took everybody out of Mosul and out of Iraq. You shouldn't [1:11:55] have been in Iraq, but you did vote for it. You shouldn't have been in Iraq. But once you were in Iraq, you [1:12:01] should have never left the way. The point is, the big winner is going to be Iran. Well, you know, once again, [1:12:09] Donald is implying that he didn't support the invasion of Iraq. I said it was a mistake. I've said that years ago. [1:12:15] He has consistently denied what is a very clear fact that before the invasion, he supported it. And you know, I just [1:12:24] want everybody to go Google it. Google Donald Trump Iraq, and you will see the dozens of sources which verify [1:12:31] that he was for the invasion of Iraq. Wrong. And you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. Now, [1:12:37] why does that matter? Well, it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. I guess he [1:12:45] believes it makes him look better now, to contrast with me, because I did vote for it. But what's really [1:12:51] important here is to understand all the interplay. Mosul is a Sunni city. Mosul is on the border of Syria. [1:13:00] And yes, we do need to go after Baghdadi. And just like we went after bin Laden while you were doing [1:13:08] Celebrity Apprentice. And we brought him to justice. We need to go after the leadership. But we need to [1:13:14] get rid of them. Get rid of their fighters. There are estimated several thousand fighters in Mosul. [1:13:19] They've been digging underground. They've been prepared to defend. It's going to be tough fighting. [1:13:24] But I think we can take back Mosul. And then we can move on into Syria and take back Raqqa. [1:13:29] This is what we have to do. I'm just amazed that he seems to think that the Iraqi government and our [1:13:37] allies and everybody else launched the attack on Mosul to help me in this election. But that's how Donald [1:13:43] thinks. You know, he always is looking for some conspiracy. Chris, we don't gain anything. [1:13:47] He has all the conspiracy theories. Iran is taking over Iraq. [1:13:50] Secretary Clinton. Iran is taking over Iraq. We don't gain anything. [1:13:53] Secretary Clinton. Which he's been spewing out for quite some time. [1:13:56] Wait, wait, wait. Secretary Clinton, it's an open discussion. [1:13:59] Secretary. We would have gained if they did it by time. [1:14:01] Secretary, please let Mr. Trump speak. He's unfit. And he proves it every time he talks. [1:14:06] You are the one that's unfit. You know, WikiLeaks just actually came out. John Podesta [1:14:11] said some horrible things about you. And boy, was he right. He said some beauties. [1:14:16] And, you know, Bernie Sanders, he said you have bad judgment. You do. And if you think [1:14:21] that going into Mosul, after we let the world know we're going in, and all of the people that we [1:14:27] really wanted, the leaders, they're all gone. If you think that was good, then you do. Now, [1:14:33] John Podesta said you have terrible instincts. Bernie Sanders said you have bad judgment. I agree with [1:14:39] both. Well, you should ask Bernie Sanders who he's supporting for president. And he has said, [1:14:43] Which is a big mistake. As he has campaigned for me around the country, [1:14:46] you are the most dangerous person to run for president in the modern history of America. [1:14:52] I think he's right. Let's turn to Aleppo. [1:14:57] Mr. Trump, in the last debate, you were both asked about the situation in the Syrian city of Aleppo. [1:15:05] And I want to follow up on that because you said several things in that debate which were not true, [1:15:11] sir. You said that Aleppo has basically fallen. In fact, there, in fact, there are- [1:15:17] It's a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. [1:15:19] But there are a quarter of- Have you seen it? Have you seen it? [1:15:22] Sir- Have you seen what's happened to Aleppo? [1:15:25] If I may finish my question. Okay, so it hasn't fallen. Take a look at it. [1:15:28] Well, there are a quarter of a million people still living there and being slaughtered. [1:15:31] That's right. You also- And they are being slaughtered. [1:15:33] Yes. Because of bad decisions. [1:15:35] If I may just finish here. And you also said that Syria and Russia are busy fighting ISIS. [1:15:44] In fact, they have been the ones who've been bombing and shelling eastern Aleppo. [1:15:49] And they just announced a humanitarian pause, in effect, [1:15:52] admitting that they have been bombing and shelling Aleppo. Would you like to clear that up, sir? [1:15:56] Well, Aleppo is a disaster. It's a humanitarian nightmare, but it has fallen from any standpoint. [1:16:04] I mean, what do you need? A signed document? Take a look at Aleppo. It is so sad when you see [1:16:08] what's happened. And a lot of this is because of Hillary Clinton. Because what's happened is, [1:16:14] by fighting Assad, who turned out to be a lot tougher than she thought, and now she's going to [1:16:20] say, oh, he loves Assad. He's just much tougher and much smarter than her and Obama. And everyone [1:16:28] thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago. He aligned with Russia. He now also aligned with Iran. [1:16:35] Who we made very powerful. We gave them $150 billion back. We give them $1.7 billion in cash. [1:16:43] I mean cash, bundles of cash, as big as this stage. We gave them $1.7 billion. Now, [1:16:50] they have aligned, he has aligned with Russia and with Iran. They don't want ISIS, but they have other [1:16:57] things because we're backing, we're backing rebels. We don't know who the rebels are. We're giving them [1:17:05] lots of money, lots of everything. We don't know who the rebels are. And when and if, and it's not [1:17:11] going to happen because you have Russia and you have Iran now. But if they ever did overthrow Assad, [1:17:16] you might end up with as bad as Assad is. And he's a bad guy. But you may very well end up with worse [1:17:22] than Assad. If she did nothing, we'd be in much better shape. And this is what's caused the great [1:17:29] migration where she's taken in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who probably in many cases, [1:17:38] not probably, who are definitely in many cases, ISIS aligned. And we now have them in our country. [1:17:44] And wait till you see, this is going to be the great Trojan horse. And wait till you see [1:17:48] what happens in the coming years. Lots of luck, Hillary. Thanks a lot for doing a great job. [1:17:54] Secretary Clinton, you have talked about, and in the last debate and again today, [1:17:58] that you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of Aleppo and to stop the killing [1:18:04] there. President Obama has refused to do that because he fears it's going to draw us closer or [1:18:09] deeper into the conflict. And General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says, [1:18:15] you impose a no-fly zone, chances are you're going to get into a war, his words, with Syria and Russia. [1:18:22] So the question I have is, if you impose a no-fly zone, first of all, how do you respond to their [1:18:26] concerns? Secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and a Russian plane violates that, [1:18:32] does President Clinton shoot that plane down? Well, Chris, first of all, I think a no-fly zone [1:18:38] could save lives and could hasten the end of the conflict. I am well aware of the really legitimate [1:18:43] concerns that you have expressed from both the President and the General. [1:18:48] This would not be done just on the first day. This would take a lot of negotiation. It would [1:18:53] also take making it clear to the Russians and the Syrians that our purpose here was to provide [1:18:59] safe zones on the ground. We've had millions of people leave Syria and those millions of people [1:19:06] inside Syria who've been dislocated. So I think we could strike a deal and make it very clear [1:19:12] clear to the Russians and the Syrians that this was something that we believe was in the best [1:19:17] interests of the people on the ground in Syria. It would help us with our fight against ISIS. [1:19:22] But I want to respond to what Donald said about refugees. He's made these claims repeatedly. [1:19:28] I am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted, who we do not have confidence in, [1:19:34] but I am not going to slam the door on women and children. That picture of that little four-year-old [1:19:40] boy in Aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an ambulance is haunting. [1:19:45] And so we are going to do very careful, thorough vetting. That does not solve our internal challenges [1:19:53] with ISIS and our need to stop radicalization, to work with American Muslim communities who are on [1:19:58] the front lines to identify and prevent attacks. In fact, the killer of the dozens of people at the [1:20:08] nightclub in Orlando, the Pulse nightclub, was born in Queens, the same place Donald was born. [1:20:15] So let's be clear about what the threat is and how we are best going to be able to meet it. And yes, [1:20:22] some of that threat emanates from over in Syria and Iraq, and we've got to keep fighting, [1:20:27] and I will defeat ISIS. And some of it is we have to up our game and be much smarter here at home. [1:20:32] I want to get into our final segment. But I just have to, it's so ridiculous what you, [1:20:37] she will defeat ISIS. We should have never let ISIS happen in the first place. And right now, [1:20:41] they're in 32 countries. You should have never. Wait one second. They had a ceasefire [1:20:46] three weeks ago. A ceasefire, United States, Russia, Syria. And during the ceasefire, [1:20:52] Russia took over vast swatches of land. And then they said, we don't want the ceasefire anymore. [1:20:57] We are so outplayed on missiles, on ceasefires. They are outplayed. Now she wasn't there. I assume [1:21:05] she had nothing to do with it. But our country is so outplayed by Putin and Assad, and by the way, [1:21:12] and by Iran, nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is. Mr. Trump, Secretary Clinton, no, [1:21:19] we need to move on to our final segment, and that is the national debt, which has not been discussed [1:21:24] until tonight. Our national debt is a share of the economy. Our GDP is now 77 percent. That's the [1:21:32] highest since just after World War II. But the nonpartisan committee for a responsible federal [1:21:38] budget says, Secretary Clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86 percent of GDP over the next [1:21:45] 10 years. Mr. Trump, under your plan, they say it would rise to 105 percent of GDP over the next 10 [1:21:52] years. Question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? Mr. Trump, you go first. [1:21:58] Well, I say they're wrong because I'm going to create tremendous jobs. And we're bringing GDP from [1:22:04] really one percent, which is what it is now. And if she got in, it'll be less than zero. [1:22:09] But we're bringing it from one percent up to four percent. And I actually think we can go higher than [1:22:14] four percent. I think you can go to five or six percent. And if we do, you don't have to bother [1:22:20] asking your question because we have a tremendous machine. We will have created a trend, tremendous [1:22:26] economic machine once again. To do that, we're taking back jobs. We're not going to let our [1:22:31] companies be raided by other countries where we lose all our jobs. We don't make our product [1:22:36] anymore. It's very sad. But I'm going to create a the kind of a country that we were from the [1:22:43] standpoint of industry. We used to be there. We've given it up. We've become very, very sloppy. [1:22:51] We've had people that are political hacks making the biggest deals in the world, bigger than companies. [1:22:56] You take these big companies. These trade deals are far bigger than these companies. And yet we don't [1:23:01] use our great leaders, many of whom back me and many of whom back Hillary, I must say. But we don't use [1:23:07] those people. Those are the people. These are the greatest negotiators in the world. We have the greatest [1:23:11] business people in the world. We have to use them to negotiate our trade deals. We use political hacks. [1:23:16] We use people that get the position because they gave they made a campaign contribution. And they're [1:23:22] dealing with China and people that are very much smarter than they are. So we have to use our great [1:23:28] people. But with that being said, we will create an economic machine, the likes of which we haven't [1:23:35] seen in many decades. And people, Chris, will again go back to work and they'll make a lot of money [1:23:42] and we'll have companies that will grow and expand and start from new. Secretary Clinton. Well, first, [1:23:49] when I when I hear Donald talk like that and know that his slogan is make America great again, [1:23:54] I wonder when he thought America was great. And before he rushes and says, you know, before you and [1:24:02] President Obama were there, I think it's important to recognize that he has been criticizing our [1:24:10] government for decades. You know, back in 1987, he took out a $100,000 ad in the New York Times [1:24:19] during the time when President Reagan was president and basically said exactly what he just said now, [1:24:25] that we were the laughing stock of the world. He was criticizing President Reagan. This is the way [1:24:32] Donald thinks about himself, puts himself into, you know, the middle and says, you know, [1:24:38] I alone can fix it, as he said on the convention stage. But if you look at the debt, which is the [1:24:44] issue you asked about, Chris, I pay for everything I'm proposing. I do not add a penny to the national [1:24:52] debt. I take that very seriously because I do think it's one of the issues we've got to come to grips [1:24:58] with. So when I talk about how we're going to pay for education, how we're going to invest in [1:25:03] infrastructure, how we're going to get the cost of prescription drugs down and a lot of the other [1:25:08] issues that people talk to me about all the time, I've made it very clear we are going where the money [1:25:13] is. We are going to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share. And there is no evidence [1:25:20] whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. In fact, I think just the opposite. [1:25:27] We'll have what economists call middle out growth. We've got to get back to rebuilding the middle [1:25:33] class, the families of America. That's where growth will come from. That's why I want to invest in [1:25:39] you. I want to invest in your family. And I think that's the smartest way to grow the economy, [1:25:44] to make the economy fairer. And we just have a big disagreement about this. It may be because of [1:25:49] our experiences. You know, he started off with his dad as a millionaire. I started off with my dad [1:25:54] as a small businessman. We've heard this before. I think it's, you know, it's a difference that [1:25:58] affects how we see the world and what we want to do with the economy. Time. Thank you, Hillary. [1:26:03] Could I just respond? Well, no, well, no. Because I did disagree with Ronald Reagan very strongly on [1:26:08] trade. I disagreed with him. We should have been much tougher on trade even then. I've been waiting for [1:26:13] years. Nobody does it right. And frankly, now we're going to do it right. All right. [1:26:17] The one last area I want to get into with you in this debate is the fact that the biggest driver [1:26:23] of our debt is entitlements, which is 60 percent of all federal spending. Now, [1:26:28] the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget has looked at both of your plans, [1:26:33] and they say neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the fact that Medicare is [1:26:39] going to run out of money in the 2020s. Social Security is going to run out of money in the 2030s. [1:26:44] And at that time, recipients are going to take huge cuts on their benefits. So, [1:26:49] in effect, the final question I want to ask you in this regard is, and let me start with you, [1:26:53] Mr. Trump. Would President Trump make a deal to save Medicare and Social Security that included [1:27:00] both tax increases and benefit cuts, in effect, a grand bargain on entitlements? [1:27:05] I'm cutting taxes. We're going to grow the economy. It's going to grow at a record rate. [1:27:09] But that's not going to help on entitlements. No, it's going to totally help you. And one thing we [1:27:13] have to do, repeal and replace the disaster known as Obamacare. It's destroying our country. It's [1:27:20] destroying our businesses, our small business, and our big businesses. We have to repeal and replace [1:27:27] Obamacare. You take a look at the kind of numbers that that will cost us in the year 17. It is a [1:27:33] disaster if we don't repeal and replace. Now, it's probably going to die of its own weight. [1:27:38] But Obamacare has to go. It's the premiums are going up 60, 70, 80 percent. Next year, [1:27:45] they're going to go up over 100 percent. And I'm really glad that the premiums have started. At [1:27:51] least the people see what's happening because she wants to keep Obamacare and she wants to make it [1:27:56] even worse. And it can't get any worse. Bad health care at the most expensive price. We have to [1:28:01] repeal and replace Obamacare. And Secretary Clinton, same question. Because at this point, [1:28:08] Social Security and Medicare are going to run out. The trust funds are going to run out of money. [1:28:12] Will you, as president, entertain, will you consider a grand bargain, a deal that includes both tax [1:28:19] increases and benefit cuts to try to save both programs? Well, Chris, I am on record as saying that [1:28:26] we need to put more money into the Social Security trust fund. That's part of my commitment to [1:28:32] raise taxes on the wealthy. My Social Security payroll contribution will go up, as will Donald's, [1:28:39] assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. But what we want to do is to replenish the [1:28:44] Social Security trust fund by making sure that we have sufficient resources. And that will come [1:28:51] from either raising the cap and or finding other ways to get more money into it. I will not cut [1:28:57] benefits. I want to enhance benefits for low-income workers and for women who have been disadvantaged by [1:29:05] the current Social Security system. But what Donald is proposing with these massive tax cuts [1:29:11] will result in a $20 trillion additional national debt. That will have dire consequences for Social [1:29:19] Security and Medicare. And I'll say something about the Affordable Care Act, which he wants to repeal. [1:29:24] The Affordable Care Act extended the solvency of the Medicare trust fund. So if he repeals it, [1:29:30] our Medicare problem gets worse. What we need to do is go after the long-term health care drivers. [1:29:36] We've got to get costs down, increase value, emphasize wellness. I have a plan for doing that. And I [1:29:42] think that we will be able to get entitlement spending under control by with more resources and smarter [1:29:48] decisions. This is the final time, probably to both of your delight, that you're going to be on the stage [1:29:53] together in this campaign. I would like to end it on a positive note. You had not agreed to closing [1:30:01] statements, but it seems to me in a funny way that might make it more interesting because you haven't [1:30:05] prepared closing statements. So I'd like you each to take it. We're going to put a clock up a minute as the final [1:30:11] question and the final debate to tell the American people why they should elect you to be the next [1:30:17] president. This is another new mini segment. Secretary Clinton, it's your turn to go first. [1:30:22] Well, I would like to say to everyone watching tonight that I'm reaching out to all Americans, [1:30:28] Democrats, Republicans and independents, because we need everybody to help make our country what it [1:30:34] should be, to grow the economy, to make it fairer, to make it work for everyone. We need your talents, [1:30:41] your skills, your commitment, your energy, your ambition. You know, I've been privileged to see the [1:30:47] presidency up close, and I know the awesome responsibility of protecting our country and [1:30:52] the incredible opportunity of working to try to make life better for all of you. I have made the [1:30:59] cause of children and families really my life's work. That's what my mission will be in the presidency. [1:31:05] I will stand up for families against powerful interests, against corporations. I will do everything [1:31:12] that I can to make sure that you have good jobs with rising incomes, that your kids have good [1:31:17] educations from preschool through college. I hope you will give me a chance to serve as your president. [1:31:23] Secretary Clinton, thank you. Mr. Trump? [1:31:26] She's raising the money from the people she wants to control. Doesn't work that way. But when I started [1:31:32] this campaign, I started it very strongly. It's called Make America Great Again. We're going to [1:31:38] make America great. We have a depleted military. It has to be helped. It has to be fixed. We have [1:31:42] the greatest people on earth in our military. We don't take care of our veterans. We take care of [1:31:47] illegal immigrants, people that come into the country illegally better than we take care of our vets. [1:31:52] That can't happen. Our policemen and women are disrespected. We need law and order, but we need justice, [1:31:59] too. Our inner cities are a disaster. You get shot walking to the store. They have no education. They have no [1:32:05] jobs. I will do more for African Americans and Latinos than she can ever do in 10 lifetimes. [1:32:12] All she's done is talk to the African Americans and to the Latinos. But they get the vote, and then [1:32:17] they come back. They say, we'll see you in four years. We are going to make America strong again, [1:32:22] and we are going to make America great again, and it has to start now. We cannot take four more years [1:32:29] of Barack Obama, and that's what you get when you get her. Thank you both. Secretary Clinton, [1:32:36] hold on just a moment, folks. Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump, I want to thank you both for participating [1:32:42] in all three of these debates. That brings to an end this year's debate, sponsored by the [1:32:46] Commission on Presidential Debates. We want to thank the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, [1:32:51] and its students for having us. Now the decision is up to you. While millions have already voted, [1:32:57] election day November 8th is just 20 days away. One thing everyone here can agree on, [1:33:02] we hope you will go vote. It is one of the honors and obligations of living in this great country. [1:33:09] Thank you, and good night. Well, it was billed as the final debate, [1:33:21] but there might have been two debates here tonight. There was the first 30 minutes that could almost be [1:33:25] described as subdued. Then there was the next hour, not so subdued. This is Lester Holt along with [1:33:32] Chuck Todd, Savannah Guthrie, Tom Brokaw, as we begin to discuss what just happened there, [1:33:38] especially in the last hour of the debate. Chuck? Well, look, overall, this was the closest thing [1:33:45] we had to a normal debate, okay? There was issue questions. There was issue back and forth. So [1:33:50] there was moments there where it almost felt like a normal presidential election. And the first 30 minutes, [1:33:57] in many ways, if you were a Republican running down the ballot, you were thrilled because it was [1:34:02] the Supreme Court and it was sort of the putting the stakes of why this is important for Republicans [1:34:08] to get out the vote. So if you're a down-ballot Republican, you were relieved that Trump didn't [1:34:13] have a bad first 30 minutes. He had a pretty good first 30 minutes. But I have to tell you throughout [1:34:17] this debate, Hillary Clinton substantively had every, you know, had substance in every answer, [1:34:23] had sort of detailed policy proposals that she would talk about. He would answer every question. [1:34:29] 10% of the answer would sound good in the moment. I think it's going to not go over well with the [1:34:36] fact-checkers. It's not going to play well the next day because he would almost say a pretty good line [1:34:40] and then repeat it over and over again. And he didn't seem to have a lot of substance. So I think [1:34:44] it might look good and feel good in the moment and it may not survive for him over a few days. [1:34:49] And Savannah, one of the more memorable lines was that nasty woman that we heard near the end. [1:34:53] It was. It was, I mean, she was in the middle of an answer. He interjected. He leans into the [1:34:58] microphone and says twice, such a nasty woman, such a nasty woman. And I think that will be a moment [1:35:05] that people look back at this debate. I mean, look, if you don't like Hillary Clinton, if you were in [1:35:10] Donald Trump's base, you were probably saying amen to the TV and cheering right then. But this is a [1:35:16] candidate who has a deficit with women, who needs Republican moderate women to come over into his [1:35:22] corner. And it just, it was so striking to see him actually go there. It's not a substantive. [1:35:30] By the way, on the weird answer, and on a weird, I mean, of all questions due to do it, it was like, [1:35:35] on Social Security and Medicare, like, what are you, it was a bizarre interjection. [1:35:39] There was another moment in this debate people will be talking about. And we have, [1:35:43] for the last week and a half or so, heard Donald Trump talk about the legitimacy of the election, [1:35:47] voter fraud. The question was put to him about whether he would accept the outcome. Not the [1:35:52] first time this question has been asked. And let me play, we've put a couple of those moments [1:35:57] together. Let's play it, and then we'll talk about it. Do you make the same commitment that you will [1:36:02] absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? I will look at it at the [1:36:08] time. I'm not looking at anything now. I'll look at it at the time. Are you saying you're not [1:36:12] prepared now to commit to that principle? What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. [1:36:16] I'll keep you in suspense. Well, Chris, let me respond to that, [1:36:19] because that's horrifying. You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his [1:36:25] direction, he claims whatever it is is rigged against him. Let's put that little perspective now. [1:36:31] In the first debate, same question was asked, and Trump's answer was, if she wins, [1:36:36] I will absolutely support her. A few hours ago, before the debate, [1:36:41] his running mate, Mike Pence, Governor Pence said on CNN, [1:36:44] will certainly accept the outcome of this election. Let me bring in Nicole Wallace right now, [1:36:50] who worked in the Bush White House and the McCain campaign. Nicole, when you heard that, [1:36:55] what did you think about November 8th and November 9th and the days beyond? [1:37:00] Well, as someone that's been involved in presidential debate prep, my stomach sort of [1:37:04] sank for all the people who have actually improved upon Trump's first debate performance tremendously. [1:37:10] This was, you know, by far his best performance. Unfortunately for him, it was also her best [1:37:15] performance. But he, by refusing to say that he would accept the results of the election on November 8th, [1:37:22] he may as well have laid down in his own coffin with a hammer and nail and pounded it in himself. [1:37:27] No voter wants to hear that a participant who has been very successful, he won the primary. [1:37:33] How could the primary have not been rigged against him if he won so overwhelmingly? [1:37:37] To say that he will not accept the result of a hard fought and robust election where he's been [1:37:43] pretty close in the polls until very recently is really just a disqualifying statement in the views [1:37:50] of many voters. And really, the tragedy for his base of support, which is very agitated and very [1:37:56] sort of anxious to see him do better, is they got that improved performance from him on questions [1:38:01] like trade. They will like what they heard from him on the economy and they will like some of his [1:38:06] other answers. But by saying he won't accept the results of the election, that was just a lights [1:38:11] out moment in American politics. All right, Nicole, thank you. I want to go now to John Podesta, [1:38:16] Hillary Clayton's campaign chair. Mr. Podesta, good evening. Thanks so much for joining us from [1:38:20] the Spin Room. I do not hear you. Can you, Mr. Podesta, do you hear me? Okay. [1:38:29] Oh, we don't. He doesn't have sound. I can hear you. [1:38:31] Yeah, we've got you now. I apologize for that. Give me your sense of what we just saw here, [1:38:36] the low moments and the high moments for you. Well, look, I think Hillary came in not preparing [1:38:43] to play it safe. She went right at two things. One is to make the case about what she wanted to do for the [1:38:50] economy, on immigration, on those sections that were on issues. I think she really scored tonight. [1:38:58] And she also wanted to make the case that he was unprepared and unfit. And I think that answer [1:39:04] that Nicole was just talking about, where he said he wouldn't accept the outcome of the election, [1:39:09] or he'd wait and see whether he would accept it, was really a low moment for Donald Trump. [1:39:14] I have to ask you, the first half hour of the debate, Donald Trump came out rather subdued. [1:39:21] What did you think at that moment? Did you think you had a much different debate than the one you had [1:39:25] planned for? Well, I think that perhaps because Chris started off on issues like the Supreme Court, [1:39:33] I think perhaps he threw Donald Trump off his game plan. Obviously, that was an area that Hillary was [1:39:40] familiar with, and I think she scored big with standing up for defending reproductive rights, [1:39:48] standing up for LGBT rights. But I think that he was a little bit rattled in that section, [1:39:54] because he didn't really know what he wanted to talk about. But he was definitely a different [1:39:58] Donald Trump. But he really got cranked up at the end. He ended when Chris gave him that last minute [1:40:05] to give a closing argument. And he kind of ended where he began this campaign, in a very dark place. [1:40:13] I just think that from an overall point of view, that beginning with your debate, [1:40:19] and at the end of three debates, we now have a very good idea about who these candidates are, [1:40:24] what they represent, what their feelings are, how they would conduct themselves. [1:40:27] I think that's very important. And there are going to be a lot of Republicans out there tonight [1:40:31] who are going to be holding their hands over their heads, saying he didn't go back to saying he would [1:40:36] have to look at the election again, did he? Because they've all walked away from that. [1:40:41] And you had a real sense of where they are in terms of detail on a lot of complicated issues. [1:40:47] Tax reform, for example. What are you going to do about Obamacare? What are you going to do about [1:40:51] the Supreme Court? I thought that Donald Trump nicked her on the question about taking money from the [1:40:55] foundation, from Saudi Arabia, and some other issues. But by and large, if you look at the two [1:41:00] candidates, one had a very strong agenda, acutely argued, and the other one was doing what we've [1:41:07] been seeing from him for a long, long time, going back over a lot of the phrases. I don't know how [1:41:11] it's going to change the equation. And Mr. Purness, a question now from Chuck Todd. [1:41:15] Hey, John. I know that it's probably disconcerting to see all your private emails suddenly be made public. [1:41:21] But let me ask you this question. The public is going to, is digesting this, is reading these emails. [1:41:28] They see sort of the sausage making of watching a campaign decide, okay, do we run? How far to the [1:41:35] left do we run? How far to the center? Trying all these things. What should voters take away from [1:41:41] from what they're reading about? I know you don't want to confirm them, but there is a general sense [1:41:47] that they're learning that, okay, what is she? Is she a centrist? Is she a progressive? Is she [1:41:52] calculating? What should voters learn from this? You know, the last time we were in Las Vegas for a [1:41:57] debate, it was in the primaries, and she got the question about where are you on the political [1:42:03] spectrum. And she said that she was a progressive who likes to get results. And that's what I so [1:42:09] admire about Hillary. That's what she's always been about. She's always fought for women's rights, [1:42:14] children's rights, for families across the country. But she's a person who delivers results, [1:42:19] who gets results. She operates in prose, I guess. But she's a person who really studies the issues. [1:42:27] She prepared for this debate. She took this seriously. I think to some extent in contrast to [1:42:33] her opponent. And when she's in office, she'll do the same thing, work on behalf of the American [1:42:40] people and get results. All right. John Podesta, good to talk to you. 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[1:45:56] Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States. [1:46:00] No puppet. No puppet. [1:46:01] And it's pretty clear. You're the puppet. [1:46:03] It's Vladimir Putin and Russia, the first of many flashpoints in tonight's 90-minute debate, [1:46:11] the last debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. We want to go to the spin room now. [1:46:15] NBC's Katie Tur is there. Katie, after every other debate, Trump has declared himself the winner. [1:46:21] What's the sense you're getting from the campaign right now about the performance? [1:46:24] The campaign is so happy with his performance, especially early on when he was able to get to [1:46:30] decisions around SCOTUS, who he would choose for the Supreme Court, appointing conservative judges. [1:46:36] I will note, though, that what did not come up and what we expected to see come up more was Benghazi. [1:46:41] We noted earlier on that they did, the campaign did invite Pat Smith, a Benghazi victim's mother. [1:46:48] There was allegedly supposed to be a confrontation, one that jumped force between [1:46:53] another and Hillary Clinton on stage, hitting her on her foreign policy. That did not happen. [1:46:59] There were also a number of easily fact-checked contradictions that Donald Trump gave during this [1:47:05] debate performance. One has Iraq war stance, another on proliferation, saying that he does [1:47:11] believe that North Korea, South Korea, excuse me, Japan and Saudi Arabia should get nuclear weapons. [1:47:17] He did say that in the past. All in all, though, a better debate performance than Trump has had in the past. [1:47:23] Katie Tur, thanks. And that leads me right to my question to the panel right here. [1:47:27] If you just take this as a whole, how did Donald Trump, realizing the pressure was on him tonight, [1:47:32] how did he do compared to his previous debates? Well, overall, it was his best performance. [1:47:37] But as Nicole pointed out, she was as good as she's been. It was also her best performance. [1:47:43] But, you know, he stepped on himself. I mean, I was just looking. I mean, [1:47:46] every newspaper headline in the debate is breaking news. Donald Trump says he won't, [1:47:52] isn't ready to accept the results. And remember, you're like, wait and see. [1:47:55] That's the headline. And guess what? [1:47:56] Every Republican. That's a huge issue. [1:47:58] And here's the thing, Tom. Every Republican on the ballot tomorrow is going to get asked, [1:48:03] Senator X, candidate Y, are you going to accept the results on November 8th? [1:48:07] And by the way, that comes after he said, and was it the second debate or your debate, [1:48:11] that he would put her in jail if he could, if he became the president. [1:48:14] Actually, put her in jail the second debate. First debate, he said he was going to support her. [1:48:19] Second debate, put her in jail, this time not concede. He's got a little bit of consistency. [1:48:23] Well, he's now out on an island on that issue and contradicting, well, not only himself, [1:48:28] but his daughter, but his running mate, but the Republican secretaries of state from around [1:48:32] the country who say, we run these elections. And we are telling you that there's not voter fraud [1:48:37] that would imperil the result of an election. So I think that's part of the problem that he has, [1:48:42] is he's kind of swimming against the tide here with this argument. [1:48:45] Let me go to Andrea Mitchell, also in the spin room. She's been following the Clinton campaign. [1:48:49] And we talked about there was a lot of pressure, certainly on Donald Trump coming in here as the [1:48:53] underdog in the polls, but a fair amount of pressure as well on Secretary Clinton to kind of [1:48:59] hold what she has. How do her folks feel right now? Well, they have, of course, saying that they [1:49:04] feel very confident, and actually they do, that her performance was a strong performance. [1:49:09] She did manage to pivot on WikiLeaks to what they wanted her to talk about, which was to try to get [1:49:15] Donald Trump to disavow Vladimir Putin, to accuse him of supporting someone who is supporting Russian [1:49:22] espionage, saying that 17 separate intelligence agencies have concluded that it is a very strong [1:49:28] likelihood that Russia is behind this stealing of the emails and the hacking that then went to [1:49:34] WikiLeaks. And he refused to back down with what he has done all along, which is to not criticize [1:49:40] Vladimir Putin. Also on nuclear weapons, I think they feel that they were on very strong grounds. [1:49:44] This was the first debate that challenged both candidates on their budget and tax proposals, [1:49:50] and cited the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget, which is the best-known arbiter of these [1:49:55] things, saying that both of them are wrong, but he far worse than her. So it was a substantive debate. [1:50:01] I think that they also feel that he was very weak on the women's issues, especially when she called him [1:50:06] to task for what he had said about the women who accused him of sexual advances. And he accused [1:50:13] Clinton of putting them up to it, which was the first time he's actually said that. Lester? [1:50:18] Andrea Mitchell in this spin room. We'll take another break and be back with more of our [1:50:21] post-debate coverage on NBC. Election coverage stressing you out? [1:50:28] I can't believe this. This is worse than the worst-case scenario. 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Our next president needs to take [1:51:44] action on social security. Or future generations could lose up to $10,000 a year. [1:51:50] We're working hard. What about you? Hey candidates, do your job. Keep social security strong. [1:51:56] After tonight's debate, wake up to everything that counts only on today. [1:52:01] Polls will tighten and you have to write the comeback stories again. [1:53:05] But what about the idea that he will not, he says he's going to look into the results of the election. [1:53:08] Does that give you pause? No, it doesn't give me pause. You remember Al Gore in 2000? [1:53:12] Nobody says ahead of time that they're not going to contest the election. But Al Gore did. [1:53:17] Kellyanne Conway, the campaign manager for the Trump campaign, talking to our Hallie Jackson [1:53:24] about one of the big headlines tonight. And that is Donald Trump demuring on the question [1:53:29] of whether he would accept the outcome of the election. Let me bring in Tom Brokaw on there. [1:53:34] Now, Tom, third debates typically don't move the needle, do they? [1:53:38] No, they don't. And the way they move the needle would be if he had been somebody else tonight, [1:53:43] whether he played at her level, completely prepared, more engaging in a personal way. [1:53:49] She came on, as she always has, going back to her moot court days at Yale Law School, [1:53:53] extremely well prepared with details on all of the proposals that she wanted to get through. [1:53:58] And she did that very, very well. And back on the business about whether you'll accept it or not, [1:54:03] you have to remember that Al Gore had 7 million more votes than George Bush and it went to the [1:54:07] Supreme Court. And when it was over, he wasn't happy about it, but he said, I accept it. [1:54:11] And the same thing happened with John Kerry, who felt he was robbed of votes in Ohio. [1:54:16] There's a long tradition of however bitter you may be, you accept it, [1:54:20] including Richard Nixon against John Kennedy. [1:54:22] But I'm sure that played well to his base of supporters, sir. [1:54:24] No, it, I think it did. But, you know, this is a case where he may survive debate night [1:54:32] and then post-debate the next couple of days aren't going to go well far. [1:54:36] On that issue. [1:54:37] And how he, how he handles it and the way other Republicans are just going to rake him [1:54:40] over the coals for this. [1:54:41] And don't miss the subtext of him saying the system is rigged and we can't trust the results. [1:54:45] That's not an argument for how to win. It's an argument and an explanation for why you lost. [1:54:51] And that's not where you want to be. [1:54:52] As we wrap up, I note the next time we will see each other together at a desk. [1:54:56] Election night. [1:54:56] Election night. [1:54:57] Yes, one night. [1:54:58] We're getting there, my friends. [1:54:59] November 8th. We don't want to go to 9th. [1:55:01] That's going to do it for our primetime coverage of the third and final presidential debate. [1:55:05] Much more debate, reaction and analysis throughout the night on MSNBC on cable [1:55:09] and on NBCnews.com and all the fallout tomorrow morning on today. [1:55:14] A reminder again, the next time we'll be together, election night, decision night in America, [1:55:18] 20 days from now for Chuck Todd, Savannah Guthrie, Tom Brokaw, [1:55:22] and our entire team. I'm Lester Holt saying good night from Las Vegas. [1:55:26] Decision night in America. [1:55:45] NBC News brings you unparalleled coverage of this unprecedented election. [1:55:50] Join Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie and Chuck Todd live November 8th for decision night in America on NBC.