'That's his choice': Pia Cayetano on Escudero joining Gatchalian bloc — ANC

[0:00] Your comment on Sen. Jingoy Estrada maintaining that Senate President is still in Sen. Alan Peter? [0:07] Ah, not just Sen. Jingoy is still maintaining it. I think all of you should also understand it. [0:12] I'll read the rules to you very simply, okay? [0:15] Guys, rules of the Senate, okay? We're all bound by this. [0:22] Rules of the Senate, the officers of the Senate shall be elected by the majority votes of all its members. [0:27] Majority vote of all its members. [0:30] Nagkaroon ba ng majority vote of all its members for any other officer? Wala. [0:34] It's very simple. It's very simple. [0:36] Huwag tayo magpapalitong, huwag tayo magpapagulo. [0:39] Kaya nga nagkanda gulo-gulo na yung hearing ko because somebody who's purporting to be the acting Sen. President Pro Temp, [0:46] when we have a Sen. President Pro Temp, issued instructions that wala ng hearing. [0:52] And then, this is last night, and then pinayagan ituloy yung hearing ko. [0:55] So, may mga nag-attend naman. [0:58] But by 9.30 in the morning, may memo na naman na sinabing because there's no official business authorizing all employees to leave the Senate by 10 a.m. [1:07] O, anong klase yan? Kasi nga, nag-iimbento sila ng script nila. [1:11] We have a Sen. President. It's Sen. Alan Cayetano. [1:14] We have a Sen. President Pro Tempore. It is Sen. Loren Legarda. [1:18] We have a Secretary, Attorney Joel Montales. [1:22] Clear lang tayo, guys. [1:23] Ma'am, tinawag po nilang bogus yung Durebon Committee hearing ngayon. Ano pong reaction lang? [1:28] Yeah. So, you know, I love answering these questions. Thank you for answering these very important questions. [1:33] I go back to the rules. [1:36] Who were the elected officers of the Senate? [1:40] We already discussed that, right? [1:42] Senators of the Senate must elect its officers. [1:44] Sen. President, Sen. President Pro Tempore. [1:46] And from there, we elect our chairmans of each committee. [1:51] I was elected chairman of the Blue Ribbon Committee. [1:54] So, chairman ako, wala naman nagbago dun. [1:58] Paano magbabago? [1:59] Nag-hold sila ng some kind of gathering where 12 of them decided that there will be an acting Sen. President. [2:06] Then, the 12 of them decide to change the... [2:10] They can't even hold the session, guys. [2:12] The person authorized to conduct a session is the Senate President. [2:22] And in his absence is the Senate President Pro Tempore. [2:25] In their absence, guys, it's the Secretary under Rule 5. [2:34] The Secretary. The Secretary can be the one. [2:37] Hindi yung metatayo lang doon. That cannot be. [2:41] Pag hindi kami nagkasundo, all of us can decide. [2:46] We can have a vote to change the Senate President. [2:49] That's all it takes. It's very simple. [2:51] You just need 13 people to change the Senate President [2:54] because the majority of the Senators do not like the Senate President anymore. [2:58] But you cannot decide. [3:00] 3 kami, 5 kami, 12 kami, ayaw na namin. [3:04] We will conduct our own session. Hindi pwede yun. [3:06] Otherwise, we are lawless already. [3:09] Sila nga ang yabang-yabang nilalagyan lang tinuturo yung rules [3:12] tapos hindi nila sinusundan. [3:14] Okay, guys, I think I've said my name. [3:17] Ma'am, kung magpapatawag po ang Presidente ng special session, [3:20] willing po ba kayo sa majority? [3:22] Well, I'm not the Senate President. I'm the Senate President. [3:24] I mean, I'm a team player. [3:26] Are you willing to attend? [3:28] Of course. Pag nagpatawag ang Presidente, bakit naman hindi? Yes. [3:33] Kung sarabi po ni SILG, hindi daw po kayo hinarang [3:36] kasi hindi daw po niya kaya dahil mag-isa lang daw po siya. [3:40] Ah, hindi yata. [3:41] Kasi nakita nung staff ko na may iba siyang kasama. [3:43] Tsaka may video nandun siya. [3:45] Naglalakad ako dito o. [3:46] Pag hindi ka umalis, nihinarang mo ako, diba kuya? [3:49] So, diba? Tsaka tatayo ka dun sa harap ko, diba? [3:53] Kung nakita mo ako, tapos gusto mo lang ang kawayan, [3:56] decide mo, hi Sen! Oh, hi! Hi! [3:58] Pero kung tatayo ka sa harap ko, nakaganong ka, ano tawag mo dun? [4:02] Ano tawag mo dun? [4:03] Sorry if I cannot appreciate somebody standing in front of me [4:08] and I'm trying to move forward. [4:10] Di naman ako nagmamalaki, pero I would think naman na excuse me, [4:13] pwede bang makitaan? [4:15] Mamay, sahay ba ba kayo may SILG map? [4:17] Dina, sinabi ko na yung kailangan ko sabihin. [4:19] Ma'am, how about Senator's training? [4:23] That's his choice. [4:25] Thank you, guys. [4:27] Thank you. [4:28] Ano natin yan, iniwan natin sa Senado. [4:36] Mas exciting po ito. [4:38] Para naman ma-entertain tayo. [4:40] Ano nga, may showbiz question kami eh. [4:42] Sino raw bad boy, minority, majority? [4:46] Wow! [4:47] Wala naman. [4:48] Ang sagot ko dyan, democracy. [4:50] Ito po ay democracy. [4:51] Ang Pilipinas ay democracy. [4:53] Ang bawat tao ay meron siyang opinion, meron siyang, [4:58] lalo na sa politika. [4:59] Meron kaming kanya-kanyang point of view. [5:02] Ang importante dito, ang gusto namin, [5:04] umasenso Pilipinas. [5:05] At sana, mawala na yung corruption. [5:07] Senator, ito na yung showbiz question. [5:10] Paano mo naman mag-describe ang bad boy sa politika? [5:16] Ang bad boy sa politika. [5:20] Kasi yan yung mga corrupt. [5:22] Yan. [5:23] Eh, hindi ako bad boy sa politika. [5:25] Ako'y very good boy sa politika. [5:28] Kaya nga, ang sabi nila, [5:30] lagi akong maximum tolerance. [5:33] So, yung ibig sabihin yung maximum tolerance? [5:35] Kaming dalawa, maximum tolerance naman kaming dalawa. [5:40] Kasi parehas lang kami na may trabaho siya, may trabaho. [5:44] Ang mainam doon, nakita ng tao, wala naman nagbuhat ng kamay. [5:48] Talagang natural lang yun, marami. [5:50] Ano yun eh, nagkakagulo eh. [5:51] Walang tulakan? [5:52] Nagkaroon ng tulakan, siyempre. [5:56] Kasi maraming tao, nagkakagulo eh. [5:59] Ang importante, walang nagbuhat ng kamay. [6:01] Natural lang tulakan. [6:04] Kumbaga kami yung mga nangyari doon, [6:07] alam mo yung sa, ano dami yung, crowd control kami. [6:11] Crowd control kami ni sekretary. [6:14] Kaibigan ko naman yun. [6:15] Wala namang kaming personal na away. [6:18] Tagahanga ako nung siya i-governor eh. [6:21] Lagi ako sa kabite dahil maraming pinatatay yung ano yan eh. [6:24] Ospital. [6:25] Ako'y kagahanga niyan. [6:28] Wala, walang bad blood. [6:32] Natural lang yun. [6:33] Siguro ganun din naman pakiramdam ni sekretary. [6:35] Ganun talaga. [6:36] Meron siyang pinaglalaban. [6:38] Meron din akong pinaglalaban. [6:39] Ang importante, walang nagbuhat ng kamay. [6:42] After bad boy, does this mean other social-based projects? [6:46] Lahat tatapusin ko. [6:48] Kasi lahat ng commitment ko. [6:50] Yung mista, kailangan magawa ko na. [6:53] Kasi si Boss Vic nakasibangot na. [6:55] Yung blood versus duty, ginawa ko yun. [6:59] Ginawa ko yun kasi may kinalaman yun sa mga Muslim. [7:04] Kaya ako ginawa. [7:06] Pero special role lang ako doon. [7:08] Hindi ako mainstay, hindi ako pang matagalan. [7:12] Ako'y pinakiusapan ng mga kaibigan ko sa ABS-CBN. [7:16] Naggawin ko yun. [7:17] Kasi nung binasa ko nga yung istorya. [7:19] Ah, may kilalaman sa mga Muslim ito. [7:21] Bilang taga-pangulo ng Muslim affairs, ginawa ko yun. [7:23] Thank you, Senator. [7:25] Thank you, sir. [7:26] Sir, reaksyon po. [7:27] Parang natulak daw ko pa yun ni Senator Magidia. [7:30] Yeah. [7:31] Palabas na ako eh. [7:32] Nag-usap lang kami ni Senator Win. [7:35] Palabas na ako. [7:36] Pagkipakita ko isang dilubyong tao dumatating papunta sa akin eh. [7:39] Eh kung hindi ko may protect na ang sarili ko, magano. [7:42] Kaya ano ako ah. [7:43] Sa malvintuhan na yun eh. [7:45] Madadagalan ako. [7:47] So hindi kayo pumitigil? [7:49] Hindi, I have to protect myself. [7:51] Kasi siguro there were nga 50 sila eh. [7:54] Pupunta ako dito para mag-confer lang kay Senwin regarding security procedures. [7:58] Nung paalis na ako. [8:00] Bilang nag-delubyo na rito. [8:02] Eh, I just had to protect myself. [8:04] Wala ba't there was no exchanges ah. [8:07] There was no punches. [8:08] Wala, wala. [8:09] Hindi ko lang nasaktan. [8:10] But I did know. [8:11] Hindi ko alam na parating sila. [8:13] Eh. [8:14] Tinulak ba ho daw kayo ni Senator Padilla? [8:17] Hindi. [8:18] I wouldn't say tinulak niya ako. [8:19] Pero siya yung nasa harap ko. [8:21] Nung parang isang wave ng tao biglang nasa harap ko. [8:24] Nag-bulot na ako eh. [8:26] Kung hindi ako, [8:27] kung hindi matibated ba yung katawan ko, [8:31] nahulog na ako nun eh. [8:32] Kasi tapat ka yung pintuwang mismo yung doorjamb eh. [8:35] So, [8:37] baka nasaktan pa ako. [8:38] May chance pa kayong mag, [8:40] mag ano, [8:41] mag sorry kung sino ba na magsasorry. [8:42] Hindi na kailangan. [8:43] Trabaho nung ano na, [8:45] they were doing their job. [8:46] I was doing my job ako. [8:47] Palabas lang ako. [8:48] No feeling so hurt physically. [8:50] I wasn't hurt. [8:51] Diba? [8:52] It takes more than that to hurt me. [8:53] Sir, [8:54] what can you say to Senator Pia [8:55] saying that [8:56] you did block them po [8:57] kasi used to them? [8:58] Oo. [8:59] Makita niyo naman, [9:00] wala akong kasama. [9:01] Tignan niyo lahat ng video ko na mag-isa. [9:03] Malabas na talaga ako. [9:04] Diyan nakaparada ko ang chikong, [9:05] diyan sa labas eh. [9:06] Pag-isa rin talaga ako. [9:07] Ang blocking force. [9:09] Dapat mga isang daang kayo. [9:11] Mag-ahanda. [9:12] Pwede ba ako mag-isa mag-block ng isang batalyo ng tao? [9:16] Diba? [9:17] Hindi ko kaya nunginan. [9:18] Sir, [9:19] can you talk para siguruhin na [9:22] yung, [9:23] yung, [9:24] yung, [9:25] yung, [9:26] yung, [9:27] yung, [9:28] yung, [9:29] yung group. [9:30] Anong nakapangyayari? [9:31] I'm here kasi nagkakaroon ng parehong factions [9:33] sa left and right of the building. [9:35] Diba? [9:36] Ang iniiwasan namin, [9:37] mag-clash yung dalawa kaya. [9:38] So, makikusom ko sa kanya. [9:39] Diba? [9:40] Let's keep things down. [9:41] Diba? [9:42] The rhetoric down. [9:43] And then, [9:44] we agreed. [9:45] Nag-captown ng kasundo na kami. [9:46] Kung paalis na ako, [9:47] bigaan na nang [9:48] boom! [9:49] So, abog na may [9:50] parating pala sila. [9:52] Diba? [9:53] External security? [9:54] O, external naman na role ko. [9:56] I have no role here in the Senate. [9:57] Then why are you inside? [9:58] The two, [9:59] we'll talk to, [10:00] ginoso po si [10:01] Senator Gatchelian [10:02] na sabi ko, [10:03] I asked him na, [10:04] doon kami sa labas. [10:05] Diba? [10:07] Sa loob, [10:08] wala kaming pakialam dito. [10:09] Totoo naman eh. [10:10] Wala kaming pakialam dito. [10:11] Wala kaming pakialam. [10:12] So, [10:13] and if you can see, [10:14] walang, [10:15] walang pulis eh. [10:16] Diba? [10:17] Walang pulis dito. [10:18] I came here alone. [10:19] I came here alone. [10:20] They, [10:22] I was almost trampled upon. [10:23] Eh, [10:24] hindi na lang, [10:25] malakas-lakas pakatamang ko. [10:26] Kaya, [10:27] kinaya ko naman. [10:28] But that was where you came from a meeting, [10:29] right, sir, [10:30] with Senator Gatchelian? [10:31] Yes. [10:32] Can you tell us more about it? [10:33] There was a summon of the Sandigan Bayan [10:36] na para i-produce si Bryce Hernandez dito. [10:38] Pero nung nakita namin, [10:41] eh ano kong valid to? [10:43] Anong order yung Old Blue Ribbon Committee? [10:46] So, [10:47] kanina, [10:48] pinakita niya sa akin [10:49] na yung New Blue Ribbon Committee [10:51] sumulat na sa Sandigan Bayan [10:53] na they no longer recognize [10:55] the request of the Old Blue Ribbon Committee. [10:59] So, [11:00] ano na lang yun. [11:01] It's a, [11:02] it's a communications thing. [11:03] Kasi baka, [11:04] baka makontempt yung mga tao ko sa BGMP eh. [11:06] Kung di-produce si Bryce Hernandez dito. [11:08] So, [11:09] to clarify everything. [11:10] And they wrote to the Sandigan Bayan [11:11] na ready na. [11:12] Nain ko lang nalaman. [11:13] Ah, [11:14] hindi ka have the copy. [11:15] Hindi ka have the copy already na. [11:17] Cancel na yung Sabitin. [11:18] Ayong [11:19] order to bring Bryce Hernandez dito. [11:21] Ibang, [11:22] yung naonang Blue Ribbon po yun [11:24] hindi yung [11:25] kay Senator Irwin. [11:26] So, [11:27] hindi na rin na pala nang [11:29] nag-notice na ang Blue Ribbon [11:30] na [11:31] they no longer are requested. [11:32] So, [11:33] yun ang, [11:34] yun ang, [11:35] yun ang, [11:36] kara maklarify lang. [11:37] Clarify ko lang. [11:38] Kasi, [11:39] nagka-panning kay mga tao sa BGMP. [11:40] So, [11:41] buunta ko dito [11:42] para makita talaga [11:43] ito sa nyo. [11:44] For today po ba sana yan? [11:45] For today? [11:46] Yes, [11:47] at 10 o'clock. [11:48] So, [11:49] kanina pa kami nagtatanong, [11:50] balik balik balik. [11:51] Anong, [11:52] kanina pa kami balik balik. [11:53] Anong susundan namin? [11:54] Kaya hindi na, [11:56] wala dito si Bryce. [11:57] Kaya wala din si Bryce. [11:58] Kasi nga, [11:59] in all this confusion, [12:03] hindi sino ang, [12:05] sinong manangayag dito. [12:07] Ako, [12:08] I'm protected by people. [12:09] Mga tao ko sa BGMP. [12:11] Ayoko makontempt sila. [12:12] So, [12:13] kinaklaro ko lahat. [12:14] Bago, [12:15] aside from Bryce sir, [12:16] meron pa kong iban? [12:17] Ayun lang. [12:18] Si Bryce lang ang, [12:19] nirequest niya na mag-appear dito. [12:20] So, [12:21] dahil nag-ibang Blue Ribbon Committee, [12:23] sila ang sumulit sa saligan. [12:25] Hindi ka na? [12:26] Okay? [12:27] So, [12:28] kita niya, [12:29] wala naman akong galos. [12:30] Diba? [12:31] Huupay ang mukha ko. [12:32] There was no, [12:33] nasagasaan lang ako. [12:34] Nagkatsu, [12:35] wala na akong tatamihan eh. [12:36] So, [12:37] wala na akong tatamihan eh. [12:38] So, [12:39] wala na akong tatamihan eh. [12:40] So, [12:41] wala na akong tatamihan eh. [12:42] Diba? [12:43] Ganyan na ganyan. [12:44] Except, [12:45] times two nyo, [12:47] tumutulak sa akin. [12:48] Kung hindi ako nag-defensive brace. [12:49] Nag-defensive brace ako eh. [12:50] Masasagasaan talaga ako na. [12:51] So, [12:52] buto yun lang wala nangyari. [12:53] Set with your indulgence? [12:55] Pwede lang malawin sir? [12:56] Bakit kung hindi kayo tumubi [12:57] at bakit nasa gitna po? [12:58] Nandun ako sa doorjump [12:59] at wala papuntang [13:00] right by dun. [13:01] Yung pinaka, [13:03] yung papunta sa doorjump [13:05] wala na akong tatamihan eh. [13:06] So, [13:07] if I had, [13:08] if I had, [13:09] kung tumubi ako, [13:11] dito ako tatama eh. [13:13] Papunta sa door, [13:14] sa pintuwalren. [13:15] So, [13:16] I had to put myself in a position [13:17] na pwede ako matrasa. [13:18] And when there was [13:19] that position, [13:20] kung tingnan nyo, [13:21] I did not hold on to anyone. [13:22] Wala ako sinigawan. [13:23] Wala ako. [13:24] I just looked at them. [13:25] Diba? [13:26] Tumubi na ako eh. [13:27] But I had no, [13:28] there was no position [13:29] to look aside. [13:30] Hindi, [13:31] hindi na fog of war eh. [13:32] Yung talaga na yung kita mo. [13:33] Kasi she was, [13:34] I saw her mga [13:35] five people deep. [13:36] Akala nyo, [13:37] nakikipagtulakan ako eh. [13:38] When in fact, [13:39] ako'y natutulak. [13:41] Okay? [13:42] Thank you very much. [13:43] Thank you. [13:44] There was some statements [13:45] about the palace. [13:46] Isa po doon ay, [13:47] sabi niya, [13:48] sometimes you have to bend [13:49] the constitution [13:50] to please Malacanang. [13:51] Wala tayong nilalabag [13:53] na anumang probisyon [13:54] ng konstitusyon. [13:55] Maliwalag naman, [13:57] diba? [13:58] Nakalagay sa konstitusyon, [13:59] the senate shall elect [14:01] the senate president [14:03] by the vote of majority [14:05] of all the members. [14:07] May inelect ba [14:08] ng senate president? [14:09] Diba wala? [14:10] Pero nung nagkaroon ng quorum, [14:12] pwede silang gumawa ng transaksyon. [14:14] At legal ang pagdeklara [14:17] na bakante lahat [14:19] ang senate elected [14:20] or elected senate positions. [14:22] So walang dinideklara, [14:25] walang binoto, [14:26] walang inelect [14:27] na senate president, [14:28] acting senate president. [14:30] So ano ang nilalabag [14:32] na probisyon [14:33] ng konstitusyon? [14:34] At may iwanag, [14:35] akin na rin nabanggit kanina, [14:36] na tayo ay sumusunod lamang [14:38] sa naging kautusan [14:40] at naging desisyon [14:41] ng Supreme Court [14:42] sa Avelino versus Cuenco. [14:44] At tandaan natin, [14:45] yan din ang ginawang [14:47] aksyon [14:48] ni dating [14:49] senate president [14:50] Franklin Dillon [14:51] na nagdeklara siya [14:52] noong 2015 [14:53] ng quorum [14:55] ng 12. [14:56] Diba? [14:57] Kasi may 17 at that time [14:58] na recognized [14:59] base number [15:01] at nandu doon [15:03] si Sen. Alan [15:04] at Sen. Pia Cayetano. [15:06] Wala naman naging [15:07] pagtutol dito. [15:08] Wala naman naging [15:09] ginawang aksyon [15:10] na sinampa [15:11] sa Korte Suprema. [15:13] So, yan ang nasusunod [15:14] na jurisprudence [15:15] ngayon. [15:16] Yung na lang siguro [15:23] kung pupunta sila [15:24] sa Supreme Court [15:25] sabihin na lang [15:27] ngayon sa Korte. [15:28] Ma'am, yung pakikipagpulong daw [15:29] ng [15:32] 11 [15:34] SB 11 [15:35] Yes, SB 11 [15:36] Nagpupulong sa [15:37] nagpupulong sila [15:38] coordinated daw po dito. [15:40] Wala tayong information [15:41] patungkol dyan. [15:44] At yung akosyon po na [15:46] may mga members daw po [15:47] ng Kabinet na [15:48] tinangkang kausapin [15:49] si Sen. Jingo Estrada [15:51] para daw po [15:52] maligtas sa [15:53] kanyang kaso. [15:54] Unang una, [15:55] ano po bang kapangyarihan [15:56] ng mga miyembro [15:57] ng Gabinete [15:58] na mangako [15:59] sa isang tao [16:00] na di umanong sangkot [16:01] sa anomalya [16:02] na sasabihin [16:03] wala ka ng kaso. [16:04] Wala silang karapatan. [16:07] Wala silang kapangyarihan. [16:08] Ang kapangyarihan [16:10] ng pag-iimbestiga [16:11] ay nasa kamay [16:12] ng Office of the Ombudsman [16:13] or ng DOJ. [16:14] So, [16:15] nasa Office of the Ombudsman [16:17] ang pagdirekomenda [16:18] kung ididismiss ang kaso [16:19] o isasampa ang kaso. [16:22] Walang kinalaman dun [16:23] ang Gabinete. [16:24] Ang mahira po kasi ngayon, [16:26] mas marami [16:27] ang paninira. [16:28] Kumbaga, [16:29] sa paninira na lamang [16:30] sila kumakapit [16:31] para iangat [16:32] ang sarili nila. [16:33] In response to [16:34] criticisms [16:35] and observations [16:36] ng Ombudsman [16:37] albeit independent siya [16:38] under the Constitution [16:39] ay kaalyado pa rin daw [16:40] ni Pangulong [16:41] Ferdinand Marcos Jr. [16:42] given that he is [16:43] the older brother [16:44] DILG Secretary [16:45] John Bigel? [16:47] Thank you very much. [16:48] Thank you very much. [16:49] Magkapatid? [16:50] Magkapatid yan eh. [16:51] Pero iba naman [16:52] ang mandato ng Ombudsman [16:53] at iba naman [16:54] ang mandato [16:55] ng isang Secretary [16:56] ng DILG. [16:57] Kung nagkataong magkapatid sila, [16:58] hindi naman ibig sabihin [16:59] na sila'y nagkakampiyan [17:00] sa lahat ng bagay. [17:01] So, yung mga gayetong [17:02] klaseng hinala, [17:03] alam nyo naman yan, [17:04] naggagawa ng intriga [17:05] para sirain [17:06] ang ibang institusyon. [17:08] So, dapat siguro [17:09] iangat muna nila [17:10] yung kanilang institusyon [17:11] bago manira [17:12] ng ibang institusyon. [17:13] Thank you a lot. [17:15] Thank you a lot.