Sustainability Symposium 2026 From Shared Vision to Coordinated Action - October 21, 2026

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Ladies and gentlemen, let us now officially comment our program. Please stand for the national anthem by Mr. John James from Chameleon Media. [00:03:08] John James: O land of beauty, our country where peace abounds, my children stand free, on the strength of will and love with God. O in all our schools and kids and families, our nations bound together. With the common destiny, I ask the words we stand. For justice and liberty, with wisdom and truth, we will serve and honor thee. No sword, no spear can come, for God will assure thee. ah [00:04:55] Speaker 1: please remain standing may i invite mrs samantha huggins whatley to lead us in the opening prayer [00:05:25] Samantha Huggins Whatley: good morning everyone let us bow our heads in reverence please dear heavenly father we come to you this morning father god giving you thanks and praise for this brand new day god thank you for joining missus thank you for bringing us here safely father god as we have come together as one ministry father god looking to you father god as we endeavor father god to bring the ceasar to fruition in our dear federation mighty god father god as we are here today let us remember that today is about fun collaboration friendship building and all of that mighty god i ask god as we do our displays as we go through the booths father god will remember that we are here as one family and under one ministry mighty god let us do everything in reverence father god bringing honor and glory to your name thank you once again in jesus name i pray [00:06:26] Speaker 1: thank you mrs watley for that invocation you may be seated thank you to formally welcome you and share the significance of today's gathering it is my pleasure to invite mr john gums to deliver the welcome remarks ladies and gentlemen put your hands together to welcome mr gums [00:07:16] John Gums: thank you very much madam cheer all protocol observe it is my pleasure to welcome you to this joint symposium welcome to the ministry of the ministry of sustainable development and the ministry of environment climate action and constituency empowerment today's gathering provides an important opportunity for us to showcase the work achievements initiatives and contributions of the various departments within our two ministries while demonstrating how our collective efforts support the national vision of of transforming saint kitts and nevis into a sustainable island state at the heart of today's symposium is the sustainable island state agenda cisa which provides a framework for advancing sustainable development strengthening our resilience to climate change protecting our natural resources promoting economic opportunities promoting economic opportunities and improving the quality of life of our people cisa is more than a national development agenda it represents a shared commitment to ensuring that our country's development today does not compromise the opportunities the opportunities and well-being of future generations achieving this vision requires coordinated action across government strong institutional partnerships responsible management of our resources and the active participation of every sector of our society the world of every department within our two ministries contribute in one way or another to the realization of cisa whether through sustainable land management environmental protection climate action community empowerment policy development or the delivery of essential public services our responsibilities must be connected to this broader national vision today's symposium today's symposium features two key components the departmental booth displays and the cisa showcase the booth displays will provide departments with an opportunity to present their mandates projects services and accomplishments while highlighting the practical ways in which your work advances sustainable development the cisa showcase in turn will help us see the bigger picture by demonstrating how these individual departmental efforts align with our national sustainable priorities an important message for us to take away is that cisa is not the responsibility of one ministry one department or a select group of individuals it is a collective national undertaking its success depends on how effectively we integrate sustainability into our policies decisions and this role identify opportunities to conti to contribute and to work collaboratively to turn the vision of a sustainable island state [00:11:18] Speaker 5: this symposium also offers an opportunity for reflection [00:11:23] John Gums: as we examine the work being undertaken across our ministries we should ask ourselves how are our initiatives advancing the goals of cisa where can we shorten collaboration and how can we ensure the benefit of sustainable development are experienced by communities and citizens throughout St. Chris and Nevis i wish to commend all the departments officers and support staff who have contributed to organizing and preparing for today's activities and preparing for today's activities your participation reflects a commitment to teamwork innovation accountability and the national development priorities our communities that guide our ministries as we move to today's program i encourage everyone to engage actively in the displays exchange ideas identify opportunities for collaboration and consider how our our respective responsibilities can contribute even more meaningfully to the cisa national vision ultimately our success will not be measured solely by the projects we undertake or the activities we complete but by the lasting improvement we make to our environment our communities our economy and the well-being of our people our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities our communities determination to build a resilient inclusive and sustainable island state for present and future generations thank you i wish you i wish everyone a productive informative and rewarding day thank you [00:13:34] Speaker 1: very much thank you sir for reinforcing the importance of coordinated action as we strive to advance the sustainable island state agenda let's give him another round of applause our next speaker will share important perspectives on the direction of our national sustainability agenda it is therefore my distinct honor to invite the honorable dr joel clark minister of sustainable development environment climate action and constituency empowerment ladies and gentlemen please join me as i welcome the honorable minister [00:14:52] Speaker 6: good morning everyone you all look really good in pink i'm very happy to be here this morning how are you feeling about this i am so happy to be here this morning how are you all feeling oh because it's free food and a whole day off so you were supposed to have an inspiring motivational keynote from someone other than myself but i'm feeling it and since our esteemed opening speaker who has a whole school named after him give yes we should applaud give such a comprehensive overview of cisa and where we're going i am doing what i do best i'm cutting my intervention into about four minutes the room here is filled with everyone who is important and who has been critical to the work and success of our ministry for the past four years so i'm not going to call anybody out because we've done everything we could to ensure sustainability environmental sustainability cisa and of course our national development planning framework existed as sisters we've ensured that the ministry of environment and the ministry of sustainable development functioned as as they ought to have functioned over the years and that our cooperation and our parks and beaches unit all felt like equal partners at the same table so for that i want all of us to give ourselves a round of applause for every contribution that we've made and this is for everyone from our ps's our consultants our directors down to every staff member who passed me in the hall who sent a text message who had a suggestion we took them on board now how do we protect sustainability for saint kitts and nevis how do we build a modern prosperous and resilient federation without compromising the natural resources the environmental integrity and the quality of life upon which our future is built that's the question we have to ponder and that's what we have on display here today i believe there are three ways we can do this as a ministry and as individuals collective consciousness aggressive protection and of course connecting the dots not just for ourselves but for everyone else and i'll talk about the collective consciousness now i feel every time i drive drive both sides of the island every day in the morning i drive saint paul's via k-on and if you do the same route every time i get to the stretch between k-on and keys i am running off the road not because of texting i just cannot stand the plastic bottles that are always on the green space anybody else observes this or is it that somebody throws them out just for me to torment me right then i get to a connery just after the playing field who does this and it frustrates me and i know it frustrates you as well and i know every single time i see this i send a message to the ps and i send a message to somebody and i'm like but this isn't anybody's responsibility it's our collective responsibility a collective consciousness that a piece of paper in your car should stay in your car until you get to work or a plastic bottle shouldn't be on the side of the road because i don't see them here but everything that we're doing we're doing not just because we love to see trees and we love to see the place clean but we know that a minister of tourism is pushing for flights but what do flights bring in people what do they do they jump in safaris where do they go these are like rhetorical um actually interactive questions so you could say we're having a good conversation they drive around saying it's the nevis do you think they paid thousands of dollars to come to think it's a nevis to jump in a safari to be i mean some of them do to be on their phones like this like oh i'm saying kids some people are actually looking and they see the garbage they're gonna say it's clean they're gonna say it's well manicured but we see the problem so how do we have this collective consciousness proliferate to everybody to feel the same things we feel to be annoyed when trees are cut without permission when people decide to live in guts our construct two rows at a time of blocks you run rows of blocks every night until you finally have a house in our gut how do we share this collective consciousness because we can't be the only people in st kitts and nevis who care about the environment and sustainability so that's our first challenge when you listen today when you pass the boots that's what we're questioning how do we make everybody else care and not hate us because they have to use paper cups and paper facts right but understand that is important i know some of us are frustrated and i laugh at myself sometimes when i am using a paper cup and it's melting away so but it is the second thing is what i think is important aggressive protection the same way we feel passionate about it about football i saw a video the other day of somebody's husband building over the four nil four nil or four one loss that same box got last week passion i see people extremely passionate about whether they're going to be dancing in ultra or in lux and in crisper christmas i see people very very passionate about the christianity their denomination their schools their alma mater and what we want is to be equally passionate and equally aggressive in protecting systems and protecting policy and legislation here in st kitts and nevis so we didn't put in all this work to ensure that we have the community the beautification and safety bill or ncma or to have a climate change system or to have all the departments doing their work just to let anybody take it away and i say this because i'm not always going to be here no matter how much i want it people have to move on but what has to be protected are the institutions you built in sustainable in environment in parks and beaches and in solid waves the connection the responsibility the ownership you cannot let anyone just come and then erode what was four years of systematic thinking planning and vision of over 350 million dollars raised do you know how much money that is over the past four years i think i'm gonna say it again so you could give yourself that rosing round of applause for having raised so much money in three and a half years over 350 million dollars u.s raised raised by these ministries so when folks like i remarked yesterday or whatever it was in our national budget forum when nevlek and skelek can sit together on a platform and talk about a unified goal for renewable energy don't think that we weren't there it started right in psip with gcf with climate finance with our consultants supporting director manners when they talk about the eu funding and the world bank funding we were right there lobbying when we talk about plastics ozone our directors they write all over the world lobbying for resources that come right back here to saint kit san nevis and is then distributed to other parts of the government so we have been central for three and a half plus years and before but i can only account for the years that have been here as leader of the ministries and i'll end with my third and final point which is how do we connect the dots not just for ourselves but for everybody in saint kit san nevis how do we explain to them that our work to ensure that we have the right legislation in place is directly tied to that vision of them turning on the lights and not having an electricity bill that they can't afford how do we connect the dots for them that the reason why mr farrier is always going to tell them no to illegal development or mr berry before he was when he was at planning would go and be like we're taking down the structure because if rain falls or there's a hurricane and your house wash way and you go with the house who are they going to blame they're going to come and say we didn't do our jobs and so you have to protect what you know is right no matter how much they abuse you no matter how much they resist it is important that the ministries of sustainable development environment parks and beaches and solid waste maintain your resolve to protect environmental resources here in saint kids and nevis they abuse as i close informally they complain oh the gabby truck why can't go this way why do i have to are you saying i only have one more minute they complain when you when when we're driving and parks and beaches cutting the grass they bring their five thousand dollar bills to repair the windscreen don't do it but you can and sometimes i too pass and i get a stone and my glass and i'm like you know we really have to get the government to appreciate that parks and beaches needs the adequate tools that we asked for two years ago and this is part of the defense for the directors when you go to estimates you have to connect the dots for the ministry of finance this is part of the reason why every thursday people come to our office at sustainable i want to build my house but there's no road because somehow we haven't made it very clear to the persons who control the disbursement of funds that our ministry is essential is essential and central to development so if you want to build houses for people you need sustainable development if you want to make roads you need us if you want keep the place cool you need us clean you need us you want to know what's happening with statistics you need us we're important and important people should act that way i close by saying i have been extremely proud to have this full team as part of my champion team for sustainability just last week someone said to me oh you got a very powerful ministry and you should be so proud i'm like excuse me i got a ministry sustainable development and environment that nobody understood how to make it work how to make it powerful and integral and we did that together we made it important together and we will celebrate that and it is and it is something that will never be erased from history for seeing kids and new vids so final final statement we have a birthday to celebrate here today and i hope there is gonna be cake plain cake to be specific for mr darian edmi the director of environment please happy birthday [00:28:41] Speaker 1: thank you thank you honorable minister for those insightful words indeed a sustainable future requires collective consciousness aggressive protection and connecting the dots ladies and gentlemen another round of applause for the honorable minister in addition to the question asked by the minister about how do we build a sustainable future i do believe that another question should be how do we ensure that our institutions are working to advance our vision and to turn that into a reality our next session the fireside dialogue will be moderated by sharon rattan the lead consultant working with the ministry of environment as a cisa focal point the participants are austin farrier physical planning director and board secretary for physical planning shesden tockett director of lands and surveys ixa douglas survey board and lincoln maynard cisa are a consultant ladies and gentlemen help me to give them a warm welcome [00:30:34] Speaker 7: CESA is you, CESA is me, CESA is us, CESA is all are we From sunshine to clear, clean energy We are building our future sustainably Water flowing and food going Same kids and Navy CESA we embracing We are building our sustainability To bring brighter days and a stronger economy Health care for everyone Join the movement, transform our islands CESA is you, CESA is me, CESA is us, CESA is all are we [00:31:22] Speaker 8: With CESA, we are stronger and free Yes, CESA is all are we Let's strive to make sustainability the motto for our country [00:31:31] Speaker 7: CESA is you, CESA is me, CESA is us, CESA is all are we [00:31:39] Speaker 9: Every day we make choices Like using less, so there's more for all of us Choices that feed us and support each other Caring for each other, so we all stay strong Turning waste into something that works Creating with our hands Creating with our hands Building with our hearts Building with our hearts Making homes safer And communities stronger Making homes safer And communities stronger Lighting the way with clean energy Together, we are CESA [00:33:16] Speaker 1: So I'd like to acknowledge the presence of Mr. Robert Morris, cheer person of the frigate bay development board and the architect board. Miss Ratan, you may proceed. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. [00:33:48] Speaker 10: Now it's time to have a nice interactive chat and we have quite a group of persons whom I'm sure would stimulate our thinking for the next hour. Let me acknowledge, of course, our minister and I was about to acknowledge our CAPSEC who I thought would be here. I would have loved for him to join us in this conversation. But before we move on, let me welcome a special guest amongst us. Manuel Manos from the Five C's. One of the project managers at the Five C's who works closely with Mr. Oren Manos And so he will also have the opportunity to get some insight into what we're doing today. I also am happy to let you know that we are live and direct. And so I ask us to make sure we adhere to all regarding the discussion. Of course, we won't be afraid to express ourselves, but let us adhere to respectful protocols. Our conversation this morning is titled CISA 26: From Shared Vision to Coordinated Action. The Sustainable Island State Agenda is not only a statement of ambition, but it is a framework for connecting policies, plans, institutions, investments, communities and measurable results. And today we will hear from four entities. And one of the CISA consultants right here on my left, Mr. Lincoln Maynard. But we are represented today by the Physical Planning Board and Ministry by Mr. Austin Farriel. Also by ICSA, I have it right, ICSA Douglas from the Survey Board member. And we have with us also Mr. Cheson Tuckett from Lands and Survey Surveys. And one person in leading two statutory bodies, Mr. Robert Morris from the Frigate Bay Development Corporation and the Architect Board. So we will explore how each entity understands CISA and how the agenda relates to its existing work and how it may influence planning, work plans, budgeting, resource allocation, stakeholder engagement and reporting. Now I also want you to know that it's a practical dialogue and we are not here to expound on what CISA means in principle. But we are asking how CISA may change in practice. What will it affect? What coordination may be required? And what each entity will have to do to make sure we move from shared vision to coordinated action. So at this time, I'm going to invite each panelist to say in no more than one minute, how do you understand CISA and why it is relevant to your entity? So I repeat, we are going to go around from Mr. Jay Farrier right around the corner here. How do you understand CISA and why is it relevant to your entity? Mr. Farrier. [00:37:27] Speaker 11: Good morning. So the Development, Control and Planning Board, along with the Department of Physical Planning, we actually view CISA as a vision and a movement towards self-reliance of our island. We've always supported the agenda based on the fact that we are mainly dealing with the development of land. And so we create plans. We did our national physical development update. It was an updated plan to the previous plan. And we made it more CISA compatible, so to speak. So it's a vision towards a sustainable island state. And throughout the decision making of the board, it's always about sustainability. And that's how the board is composed. That's where the members come from. All members support all the pillars. And that's basically it. [00:38:30] Speaker 10: Thank you. Ms. Douglas. [00:38:34] Speaker 12: In my opinion, CISA is the driving force behind our power thinking. And on the perspective of the Lands of Airs Board, it has reframed how we think about a lot of things that we do and how we approach the profession. So at board level, we have incorporated a lot of our plans towards how we can assist the surveyors as best as we can, and how can we equally assist the ministry. [00:39:14] Speaker 10: Okay, thank you. I'll move over on the far end of my left to Ms. [00:39:21] Speaker 13: Good morning, everybody. From our standpoint at the Frigga Bay Development Corporation, what I could say is we view it as a shared framework for ensuring that the development improves not only the lives of our people, but meanwhile protecting the resources which we have, as we only have a fine number of people. As we have a finite amount of resources, so it has to be managed efficiently and effectively, so we try to -- it should be also assessed, a lot of these developments should be assessed, not only for the economic contribution, but for the demand on those finite resources. Hence being water, electricity and waste water arrangements, and it must be that sustainability must become part of how we define these projects and set the framework in which to approve and allow these projects to take farm. Thank you, Mr. Tuckett. [00:40:13] Speaker 14: Hi, good morning everyone, speaking from the perspective of the Department of Lands and Surveys, our main mandate is land management, and we understand that in order for CESA to be fulfilled, we have to manage our 68 square miles to the best of our ability. And we give consideration to the different land uses within the country, especially those that are meant to preserve the country, so we think about things like the Central Forest Reserve, which is meant to protect our country now and in posterity, and we understand that there are different factors that contribute to CESA's success. And as it relates to the waste, all these things need to come from somewhere, or they need to go somewhere, and we have to understand that the way that we look at land and manage land is really important to CESA's success. Thank you. [00:41:14] Speaker 10: Thank you. Now, Mr. Maynard, I'm deliberately asking you not to contribute at this time, I think you would agree with me. Why not? Yes, down the road you will find out. I think Mr. Maynard would agree with me that at least what the common denominator we found here is from the comments thus far is that it is shared. It is a shared understanding thus far. And I want to dig a bit more and ask, physical planning again, what pillars are most directly associated with your scope of work? [00:41:51] Speaker 11: So the key word is directly. So the obvious is sustainable communities, but we are involved basically, and I said it, it's ingrained in the composition of the board. We deal with all pillars, directly sustainable communities, less direct, somewhat indirectly, you'll have food security and the circular economy. But the members, so to speak, those issues have to come, have to be discussed because everything is associated with land. No matter where you put it, it all comes back around to the use of land and the development of land. And even food security. [00:42:37] Speaker 10: Okay, so how does Mr. Tuckett, do you have anything to expand on that in terms of, I know both of you hold in common the land, but what aspects, you know, of the land do you have to address? [00:42:55] Speaker 14: So there's a lot of factors that we have to consider when we're doing what we're doing. I think that there's a general perspective that we have in St. Kitts is that we have a lot of land to do whatever it is we think is necessary. And for a lot of people that is housing, for example, people feel like a lot of land live for houses. And the reality is we can't necessarily have that perspective. So we understand the sustainable settlements have to know in present and in future start to look a lot different. There's the perspective that we have right now where everybody admittedly wants to own a piece of the rock. And I think that's admirable. And I think that is something that should be. However, previously, I do not think that we've always considered sustainability to the way that we should have, to the degree that we should have. So now going forward, we now have to look at things a lot differently in how we want to, for example, approach the settlement. We want to be able to allocate lands for agriculture, whether that may be livestock crop. But that also means that we also have to revise the way that we're currently doing things because there's a, for lack of a better word, mismanagement of our lands in general. And we have a responsibility to do a lot better with what we're doing. So that also helps the climate that also helps with the water, because we understand that water is a finite resource that we have. As we know, for a very long time, I can speak confidently with this for maybe the better part of 10 years, seven o'clock hit and my water was gone. Thankfully, thanks to the desalination plan, that hasn't been the case in a very long time, but that has been a consistent thing. So we have to understand that sourcing water also means sourcing land, not only to get the water, but to channel the water, but to channel the water. And if it is that we are leaning towards desalination as a country, that also takes up space. So all of these factors are things to be considered in what we're doing. [00:44:57] Speaker 10: Yes, thank you. So you have given us some examples of the other factors like water. And I am certain Mr. Morris can speak from the perspective of land development. You are also the chair of the Frigate Bay Development Corporation. What are some of the considerations there? [00:45:16] Speaker 13: Well, first of all, I could piggyback on a few things that Shazan mentioned. Again, we have to be cognizant that we operate under finite resources. Land, land especially in the Frigate Bay Area, and more so in the planning as a whole. With development comes strain on these resources. The Frigate Bay Area, per se, we have a finite land, a geographic area. With development, we have to be cognizant of the amount of infrastructure already on our old infrastructure that exists. The strain on the water, water conservation, is very important. And even with the alleviation with the desalination plant, that in itself brings strain on energy. With the desalination plant, there is huge energy consumption, again drainage. With the continued development, we are reducing a lot of the permeable land space, which we also have to be cognizant and manage as well, because then it puts more strain on the overall drainage, which again has bearing on wastewater systems that have to be in place. These mechanical systems, again, put strain on our finite resources. So it has to be a collective effort in terms of managing the way we go forward. We can no longer think how we thought 10, 15 years ago. It has to be another approach, a different approach, which considers a lot of these inputs on our resource. [00:47:06] Speaker 10: Yes. Mr. Maynard, I think we would like to hear the word "collective" and we have heard the word "shared". But before I get to you, I'm going to go to Axia and ask her about the importance of spatial data, given the issues raised by Mr. Tuckett and Mr. Morris and Mr. Farrier thus far. [00:47:33] Speaker 12: Well, spatial data is core to a lot of things that we do. A lot of plans that we make, we can't really do much without it. Everything we do has a space, a place in space, it has a position. And as spatial scientists, we are core to what takes place in development. Our contribution to sustainable settlements is very important as surveyors are more often than not, the first person is on ground and the last person is to leave. So we need to keep mindful of how important spatial data should be. [00:48:17] Speaker 10: Mr. Maynard, given all of these considerations raised, you have worked in the private sector for some time, you have been involved in some developments, you have served on various boards. So, are you sensing that there should be some form of climate resilient criteria or sustainability for anything related to land use, planning? Tell us how you feel now that you're here. You've heard from the government side, the public sector side, and tell us your thoughts on this. [00:49:01] Speaker 15: Thank you very much, Sharon. First of all, I'm going to try to get to your question. But first of all, I want to recognize, of course, Minister Dr. Jaya Clark. And I want to start also by complimenting the ministries for which she's responsible for this monumental task, I think, of course, of course, of course, of course, of course, of course, of course. But I think we have found it because St. Kitts and Nevis, yes, we may be the envy of the rest of the Caribbean. We are at a certain level. But I truly believe that there is another level for us to go to. And I believe that Caesar is what is going to take us there. So I want to start with that. I was very glad for the opportunity to be involved in something that I think can be as life-changing as Caesar. Sharon, forgive me, but I want to talk rather philosophically and generally because I think that is important. And I want to piggyback from what the minister said with respect to the small examples. And I like to use small examples like the plastic bottles and the garbage and people living where they're not supposed to be living. These are problems. These are issues. So it seems as if that there are a number of problems which we have why we thought about Caesar, right? There are problems. The way I deal with this kind of thing is to enumerate, identify, catalog all of the problems. And as we introduce Caesar and as we try to implement it, we see whether or not we are doing what we need to be doing with respect to land, with respect to our water, with respect to all of the pillows. So I want to take this opportunity because you are the people in this room who are going to make all of this thing possible. But if I want to give you some advice, I believe that I am presumptuous in thinking that everybody here understands what Caesar is. Am I being presumptuous? I'm not being presumptuous. So everybody knows what Caesar is. So everybody can go out and tell people exactly what Caesar is. No problem. Okay? So I believe, and going back to what the minister said, and I made a note of it. She said, how do we get everybody to care? Because people jumping up in the band on juvie morning, and she said, they care about whether it's going to be an altar or whoever else. What about people living their lives every day? The care they have for not having those bottles, for having the sidewalks clean, because to tell the truth, when I go to a country and I walk through the city, if it's dirty, I get turned off. If it is smelly, I get turned off. These are some of the problems which we have. And I want to, I want to take the opportunity because I'm not, I'm not sure I'm going to get this opportunity again, something which is very passionate to me, which is very much related. You could stop me where you think I've said enough. Parks and beaches. You're here this morning? [00:53:09] Speaker 10: Yes, they're right there. [00:53:11] Speaker 15: Right. I am so proud of parks and beaches. Yes. Because when I drove up the Frigate Bay, not the Frigate Bay Road, the road, the F.T. Williams Highway coming to this session, and I looked at what they have been doing along that road. I say, we are the right track. And you know what I told, what's his name? Um, Alfred? [00:53:42] Speaker 10: Jump on. [00:53:43] Speaker 15: He's here? He's not here. He's right there. What I told him, I said, Alfred, you know, what the work you're doing is not cutting grass. At all. It's not cutting grass. It's making the place look good. So, when you're finished cutting the grass, you have to take up the grass. Otherwise, the place is going to look good. But I think they're coming around. It's starting to look good. I ain't seen a lot of that anymore. And that is part of the development. That's a simple example. But to me, it's one of the most significant things we can do for our tourist products. Right? So, I believe part of my responsibility as a consultant, and I think part of your responsibility as persons working in this ministry, is to get the word out to the other ministries. You have to develop a relationship with all the other ministries. Somehow, the permanent secretary, you have to find a way to talk to all of the other ministries. You have to relate to them. You have to develop a relationship. You have to let them know. And us, all of us, have to let the population know what this Cesar thing is all about. Because people still walking about it and say, "What the hell is Cesar?" How are we going to get them to be passionate about this thing? Which I believe is going to take us to the next level of development in Sankins. I'm going to leave it there for now. I'm going to come back to your question. Stay too hard. [00:55:26] Speaker 10: Okay. I'm going to leave it there for now. But I, Mr. Maynard, passionately describes that we have to work together. In the context of the land that the discussion that preceded, you also spoke about that aspect of it in terms of keeping the land clean. Mr. Farrier would say that we have green spaces in every community. So, and I am aware that they have been identified. Would you care to elaborate on that in terms of how you were still thinking behind allocating them and the importance? [00:56:09] Speaker 11: So, every community is designed with green spaces for different purposes. The green spaces can accommodate several functions, one of which are utility corridors. There is a plan. Hopefully, this agenda fast tracks that plan to move a lot of our vulnerable utilities on the ground. It makes it more climate resilient. So, the green spaces tend to accommodate that. Also, these green spaces can be used for passive recreation, active recreation, which are play fields, but the passive ones are parks. It's also used for basically our cell towers, our internet high speed boxes, these kinds of things. These, in turn, make settlements more sustainable. It adds to different pillars. You know, there are certain industries that indirectly benefit off of the development of these green spaces. But as a planner, and we work in tandem with the Department of Lands and Surveys, who designs a lot of these communities, we have to allocate the space for future development. Because if we don't think about the future, then we'll be mainly reactive. And that's not what the agenda is about. The agenda seems to be a very proactive agenda. Very good. [00:57:39] Speaker 10: So, let us keep that point about the allocation of green spaces. So, Mr. Tuckett, what would you need from Mr. Tuckett to help that? What inputs do you need from him? Apart from your, in your context, you are allocating it. But what surveying needs you need? Does Mr. Tuckett assist his department? Lands and Surveys assist you in helping you to identify the spaces? Get any other information about it? Does the survey board assist? Are there any roles for them to play in helping you to design these spaces? [00:58:17] Speaker 11: We basically need each other. And that is how the Ministry of Sustainable is set up. That is how most of the departments within the Ministry is set up. It's an ecosystem where we work based on our relationships. We've always had to have a good relationship with the Department of Lands and Surveys. Mr. Tuckett's backbone is in planning. And a very versatile guy. Now at Lands and Surveys, we are there actually designing a lot of these communities. And they help us maintain and collect our spatial data. Our office is the central repository for information. A lot of that information, especially on land, comes from Mr. Tuckett. It's a relationship that we both grow from. And we've always had that relationship so much so that I think we're entitled to have that relationship. I've never imagined not having that relationship. You know, so it's sometimes it's so automatic it's undervalued. You know, we are always friends. We communicate well with each other, even before Mr. Tuckett got to Lands and Surveys. And a lot of it is shared responsibility, especially when it comes to land. And Mr. Tuckett hasn't mentioned it. He's on the Development, Control and Planning Board, a key member. Yes. A very key member of the board. [00:59:48] Speaker 10: That is the point I want our listeners to appreciate. And Mr. Maynard raised the relationship. And sometimes we take it for granted. Yes. We take it for granted in terms of how we complement each other, whether it's within a ministry or outside of a ministry. And the takeaway for you to value in going forward with SISL are those relationships. They're not just on the job. But because of the nature of the information shared, there is a bigger picture that feeds into it. Now, I'm going to ask Mr. Morris. Now, he is on the statutory board. And how can your relationship with these departments be strengthened? Not just in SISL, but of course SISL is our base. But what are some of the inputs you would need from these departments to help advance any work that you're doing? Whether it's a frigate bay development corporation or as chair of the architect board. [01:01:05] Speaker 13: Again, it all comes back to regulations and the planning. The planning department, they have a very important role to play in terms of the direction in which these developments go. From our end, in terms of the development, a developer comes to the island. However, it would be important that we set those parameters and guidelines in which they can start designing and operating. Those parameters would come from the planning, the long-term planning plan. From the planning board, from the survey, which guides the process and sets the parameters for, again, design, innovative design creativity in which to act within those parameters. Which, in fact, is the baseline. When we engage these persons, we can ask for a plan of what they intend to do. And with the revisions, bearing in mind we have those parameters, we can now scrutinize those plans and have them conform. But without the lack of that data and information, we are basically going on our discretion, which can be a great area and a dangerous area. [01:02:34] Speaker 10: So that's one area in which you can strengthen your relationship because, yes. Shazan, am I hearing that you want to contribute? [01:02:42] Speaker 14: Oh, well, what I will say is there's a benefit in how our ministry operates. When we're working at peak efficiency, everything is circular within the ministry. There's a reliance on the different departments in order for us to be able to function. As Mr. Fry would have been able to say, to go into more detail about the process. We at Lands and Surveys, we are the holders, or at least, we are responsible for managing the crown lands. And understanding the crown lands are the overarching lands that the government holds that are not private. So these are the government held hands. And we have a responsibility based on requests, based on analysis, based on the data that we have, to design developments that are efficient, that are climate smart, that are able to function independently while still being interconnected with the existing developments and future developments. So these are all different factors that we have to consider. But when we design these things, it's not just Lands and Surveys designs them and the process stops there. We require physical planning to review. And based on their understanding, because we have different purviews, a lot of what we do is based on availability. A lot of what they do is based on suitability. And keeping these things in mind, we work together. We review the plans. And then it goes to the Development and Control Board that says, OK, based on our understanding, based on all these factors that you presented, this can be passed. This is something that we consider valuable to the country. And then we're able to then go on to the distribution of these lands. And there's something that we have here that is really important in that we have such a great responsibility to our country. And the way that we manage the resources that we have is paramount. So even leaning into what Mr. Morris says, understanding that the statutory bodies, the different agencies also need information. So what we've always been is an open line to the different line ministries that require data, whether it's water services, which is Skelec, because we work with these agencies weekly. These are things that we're constantly doing. So it's really all people working together to contribute towards CISO. [01:05:00] Speaker 10: OK, I'm happy that all of these points of intersection are being highlighted. I'd like Mr. Maynard to weigh in here, particularly on that last point about pointing to what Mr. Morris said in terms of strengthening that relationship. And you, as a private citizen who has been involved in different things, do you think it will be useful to have climate resilience standards and sustainable standards established, clear ones established? How useful would that be? I know you're very much into standards. [01:05:42] Speaker 15: Well, you're right. You're touching now when you talk about standards for me, because, and again, I like to deal with the problems, how we solve the problems. And a lot of the problems which we end up with in the end is because we did not adhere to the proper standards, the proper standards with respect to maintenance. Because if you do not have a standard that is going to cause you to maintain what you would have built or what you would have developed, it's not going to last. So it's not sustainable. And I believe that physical planning especially have a significant responsibility with respect to making sure that we build to standards. And if people are not building to standards, whether it is politically correct or not, because you have the authority to deal with it. Otherwise it's not going to be sustainable. And I don't want to mention specific examples now, but I know this country has suffered millions of dollars because we did not have a standard or did not stick to the standard. So it brings me to a critical point, which I have Sharon, is that the sustainability and the CISA is really a matter of mindset, how we think about these things. And I believe that the coordination which we crave, which as a consultant I've been working on with respect to how we coordinate all of this, it's going to be much easier if we all understand the mindset and have that mindset of sustainability. Because once we have that, there will be no conflict along those lines. There are going to be little conflicts as to how we do things, right? But again, let me take the opportunity because you mentioned standards. I want to also mention systems, how we do things, and I'm not just referring to physical planning, I'm referring to the police and to safety. And sometimes we drop safety down until something happens. I usually joke to a friend and say, you see that situation over there? They're waiting for somebody to get killed. And then they're going to deal with it. But we cannot afford to do that. So when we have this sustainability mindset, we deal with problems as we see them. And don't wait for somebody to get killed. And you know what I'm talking about, right? It's sad. But I believe CESA is meant to deal with those kinds of things. That's why CESA is such a brilliant idea. But we have to make sure you, as part of the ministries and the departments which you are part of, to inculcate that mindset. Because once we have this same mindset, and the mindset is about taking the same kids and neighbors to the next level. And we have done a lot as a nation. Look around the rest of the Caribbean. We have done a hell of a lot. But I still believe that we could have been a lot further if we had adhered to some of the standards and the systems which you need as a properly developed society and community. And to me that is what CESA is about. And CESA is not for now. CESA is forever. Let us get that clear. CESA is forever. This is not a one-off little thing that we are doing. This is something that moving forward to be the best island state that we can be. Going beyond even 2040, 2050 when all of us gone. Well, not all of us. Maybe people like me. [01:09:47] Speaker ?: Right? [01:09:48] Speaker 15: I'm sure it was 2070. 2070, I think all of us would have gone, right? Not you. But we want to make sure that we leave that legacy for our children. I mean, you live it today. This is 2026. But you want to make sure that the roads, the way the roads look, the deepwater pier, the airports, all of those things are much better than they are today. Why? Because we would have acted on that mindset of sustainability. Yes. [01:10:29] Speaker 10: Thank you very much for that. That certainly pushes Mr. Maynard us to think more about the coordination. So far in the discussion, we have identified areas in which the departments coordinate with each other. Mr. Morris has been able to show how, as a statutory body, they interact with these departments. And Mr. Maynard has ended on the point of pushing for strengthened coordination. I want to also point out that I am aware of one, one activity that is going on right now. That's the digitalized land management information system. We are all departments here will benefit from, they will be able to access, not only access, plan better, know where the information is. And it will be connected to the information technology and the land registry, both in St. Kitts and Needis. And that is a step in the right direction to assist and also to give information to bodies like Mr. Morris, so that you can have better decision making. But I want us to connect now with you, because I think we have given quite a number of examples. But before I invite any comments or questions from the audience, I would like going around. Mr. Faria, could you think of any one action, practical action in your department for the board that you can commit to to advance system? You are doing some already, but could you think of anyone that you can add to what you're doing now? [01:12:32] Speaker 11: So, basically applying regulations, basically, because we are constantly active in ensuring that lands are developed towards a particular agenda, which is CESA. We've spelt it out in our National Physical Development Plan, that's where the board comes in. They are key to creating plans and how we develop land, and we basically every month get together and make decisions to ensure that we are on that same path. So, we're doing a lot already. [01:13:14] Speaker 10: But there are implications for regulations, updating, looking at what's relevant, what may change in light of new information. [01:13:23] Speaker 11: Yeah, so we're very sensitive about the pieces of legislation that we use. And the board comes with a lot of different entities. So, you have environment on the board they use in CIMA. You have lands and surveys. There's a surveying act. You have planning. That's the key legislation. So, it's always important for us to make sure that these pieces of legislation are agile enough to keep up with certain agendas like CESA and to keep up with modernization on a whole. And so, there's always a way to put frameworks in place to make sure that these pieces are not only reviewed, but recommendations come out of it towards ensuring that the legislation that we are supposed to enforce is agile. Agile, and that's an important word, can keep up with times. Because people often say that, hey, that's an old act. And we have to be proactive. I can't stress on that word. Proactive or not reactive when it comes to what we do. [01:14:28] Speaker 10: I like the word agile. From your departments here, Chazon and Aidsa, do you have anything to add in terms of how your work can further complement physical planning? [01:14:41] Speaker 14: Well, sure. One of the things that I think is most important is making good, well-informed decisions. And that is the premise that guides everything that we do. In order for the decision makers to make the well-informed decisions, we have to have good information. So even now, I would like to take the opportunity to acknowledge my department and all its hard work. Thank you guys for what you're doing. I think you guys are doing a great job and I'd be remiss if I didn't. But I think one of the more beautiful things to acknowledge right now is also to acknowledge the minister. Because one of the things that I think that she's done is she's really removed even the idea of operating in a silo. It's something that she constantly says it's something that we can't do. So we've had to lean on each other a lot more. And even outside of our specific ministry, with environment, with, as I mentioned before, Water Services, Skellig, we are all working together to be able to make these decisions that guide CESA, that lead us to better decisions and a better future. Because again, sustainability is the goal. And if we don't know what we're doing now, we can't plan sustainability for wherever it is we want to go. [01:15:56] Speaker 10: Exactly. So CESA is about breaking down silos and collaborating and finding new ways of working together. Did you have something to add from survey? Yes. [01:16:09] Speaker 12: So in terms of collaboration, we have, at the board level, try our best to strengthen our ties with the Department of Plans and Surveys and the Physical Planning Board, where we can all manifest or share vision because there are a few things that are very important to the surveyors. We have some issues with data access, so we reach out to Department of Landsat and Surveys to get updated plans so that we could support the sustainable settlements. Without a proper development plan, we can't map out these developments accurately. It would lead to legal issues later on in the future and would be costly to both the landowner and to the government. On that note, we actually are pushing for our surveyors resource center, where surveyors can have access to updated and current maps. The control data, the land information data, so that everyone can have real-time information and be able to provide the best service that we could for our clients. We reached out to the Physical Planning Board as well to address some issues that we would have had previously. And we're working on a solution to ensure that persons are building on correct lots. So after several meetings, we have been able to come up with something that we'll be able to slow down the impact of those issues. [01:18:13] Speaker 10: Okay. So you've identified some risks and a solution to the future. [01:18:21] Speaker 12: Yes. [01:18:22] Speaker 10: So that you could have validated information. Mm-hmm. [01:18:27] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:18:28] Speaker 12: So right now, collaboration is very important to us, as we can't operate by ourselves. Sorry. We can't operate in silos. So the collaboration is very important to us. Yes. [01:18:39] Speaker 10: Okay. And Mr. Morris, from the statutory board perspective, what can you do as a board to strengthen that coordination? [01:18:50] Speaker 13: Again, we could start on both the macro and micro side. For example, come back to regulations. You know, having the proper guidelines and infrastructure in which to relay that information, not only to homeowners, but to developers. Collaboration with physical planning, landing surveys. Just a few minutes ago, I was getting a call from a homeowner in Frigga Bay asking about the name of a street, the name of a lot. So I would have to relay that information and take a paper files that we have in the office. If we have the updated digital files, I mean, that would be so much easier. And again, it helps in the future planning of areas. Persons may just want to build on something that they see there, not knowing that it was master plan 10 years ago. But that would be reflected on an updated development plan or digital plan. So we have to take those things into consideration as well as the public awareness. We have to continue to be respectful for green spaces. Little is a big issue on the beaches. Even the golf course, which forms a very important part of the ecosystem and the drainage system within Frigga Bay as a whole. And again, circulation spaces to the micro level. Now we have to give the public more awareness on design guidelines, the proper use of the importance of having more green space. Not only for recreation, but how it serves a bigger purpose in terms of the environment and also the planning on the guidelines. I'll come back to guidelines again. And I want to reiterate, you know, regulations and updating our development plans. [01:20:56] Speaker 10: Okay, so I think we have highlighted how you work together and also look at some emerging themes of areas that you can strengthen the coordination within. But the bigger question also would go to the outside coordination. Before we close, we can ask for one or two comments on that. However, one of the main messages I'd like to say that resonated with the discussion is that CISA is relevant to everyday work. Some of the simple examples the minister used before to the persons here and some of the examples given in our discussion. But it also influences what the institutions do and how they work together. And outlining, we have to go a step further to look at how you that coordination. So, Mr. Maynard, I'm going to now ask you to just sum up in a minute and then we invite one or two. [01:22:13] Speaker 15: Okay. Thank you. Comments. [01:22:15] Speaker 10: Comments. [01:22:16] Speaker 15: Thank you very much, Sharon. First of all, I want to say what a great honour it is to sit at the same fireside, although I have not seen the fire. Right? With Mr. Morris from Frigate Bay, a very important collaboration. Mr. Tuckett, Lands and Service, right? Mr. Douglas. Surveyors? Surveyors. Surveyors. [01:22:40] Speaker 10: Right. [01:22:41] Speaker 15: And of course, the big giant, Mr. Farrier. Mr. Farrier. All right, Mr. Farrier. I want, as somebody who is not in the public, in the civil service, right? I used to teach a long time ago. I stopped teaching in 1989. Very, very, maybe some of you were not born as yet. But you have a really great responsibility. And mark my word that what happens over the next 10 to 20 years is going to be part of your legacy. So when you reflect on certain things, they're going to say, Farrier was here. They say, Douglas was here. Tuckett was here. Morris was here. I want you to think about that as you think about CSUN and the level changing potential of CSUN as to how we do things. I want you to think, not only you at the head table or around the fireside, that we are trying to solve problems. And to me, one of the exercises I would do is to try to enumerate and find out what the problems are. Talk to people out in the field. What issues people have outside there with respect to lands, with respect to development in the area, with respect to surveying. People have all kinds of issues. Find out what those problems are. Have it in your pocket. The list of problems that you are going to be solving. So when you're finished, you know that, look, I helped to solve this problem. I'll come back to paths and beaches. You're solving some problems now, but there are a lot of other problems which you can identify. Show people. Like you go, you cut down the grass, the guinea grass, cut off the head. And in no time at all, you know, guinea grass will go very fast. So they're up before everybody else. Organize to get something and take out the road there. Right? These are little things that you can do with respect to your own area. And I want to say also, Sharon, the issue of relationships and engagements. We cannot separate ourselves. We cannot be in silos. If you're in silos, it means that you're not relating and you're not engaging. And therefore, you're not progressing. And we want to progress. And the last simple point I want to make, going right back to where the minister started. How is it? All of us in this room. How are we going to make everybody care about this? What's in it for me? Why should I care? I'm going back to the juve morning thing again. They care because they feel nice when they're jumping up in the band. So what it is about people generally, that they're going to feel a certain way. That why I'm participating in CISA. I'm making sure that nobody's showing a bottle out of the window when they're driving down the road. Nobody, I'm going across in a field and churning the garbage and churning the fridge and the washing machine. And people report them. Because unless we do that, you know, when I'm going home, I look in a little corner and people go and they leave the washing machine. Who wants to do that? Right? So we have to find a way to make everybody care. And one of the best places to start that, of course, is in school. And we're going to have to amplify that. We've got to have a CISA song in school. Every primary school. What this thing is all about. So that people naturally develop the mindset that we're talking about. You know, this thing is passionate to me because, you know, I want St. Kitts to be number one. Every time, everywhere. But that's it. That is where we leave it though. And we're going to talk about it soon. So CISA is the way. [01:26:49] Speaker 10: Thank you very much for joining us and committing time. Thank you, Mr. Maynard, because if I give him the mic, we speak about CISA for another hour. But I want to now invite one or two persons, and there must be some feedback, some comment on what has been discussed here. Today, Zionsha, Mr. James will give you a mic. So if there's anybody who would want to contribute and say, what do they think about the coordination of CISA? What is it you have to do? You have listened to a representative, Mr. Morris from a statutory body, and your very own departments. What are the implications? Don't be shy to speak up. It doesn't have to be a question, a comment. Do you embrace it? Will you care more? What can be done? Yes, Minister wants to speak. There was one. [01:27:58] Speaker ?: There was one. [01:27:59] Speaker 10: Go ahead. No, go ahead. We want you to speak. We want you to speak. Give it to her first. I agree with you, Minister. Can you kindly repeat the question, please? Yes. [01:28:08] Speaker 16: What, as an individual or a worker in the government, would you like to see more for CISA to move forward, to live it every day? [01:28:21] Speaker 10: Just share. It can be related to work. It could be personal. [01:28:42] Speaker 16: As a government worker, I would like to see more of togetherness across the different ministries that are under the same ministry, in terms of land and surveys, planning. More collaboration, yes, so there is more transition with information rather than sustainable or something, lands and sovereign or something, PSIP or something, so you need more. Okay, good. More of that. Also, you need more thing for the mental, you know, to talk. We need more of that. Okay. Able to have open conversation between bosses or whoever. Okay. And we need to go more technological because we are in 2026, so we need to start this lot of writing and paper and, yes, we need to go technological, please. [01:29:48] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:29:49] Speaker 10: Okay, so even though we had examples of collaboration, I think she said she wants some more visibility, you know, with information, she wants to be more involved, et cetera. Yes. Do we have another comment? The minister would go last. She will give others an opportunity. No? That means people are, oh, I see a hand at the back. Hi, morning. [01:30:12] Speaker ?: Good morning. Good morning. [01:30:14] Speaker 17: I think it is sustainable, um, Sister Island agenda with the smart homes, right? We have a lot of Pitlatchee still. So, if we are going into that futuristic thing that we are talking about, we need to get rid of these Pitlatchees. For me, it is an eyesore in each constituency. But we need, for it to be a sustainable island state agenda, we need to move forward and those too, to get rid of them. [01:30:57] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:30:58] Speaker 17: Make it a holistic. Yes. [01:31:00] Speaker 10: Thank you for that. Um, so their constituency and Parliament is saying they need some more action in that area. Yes. Thank you. Minister, anybody else? And then I'll invite Minister. Oh, we have one. There's another hand. Yes. Mr. Simmons. [01:31:26] Speaker 18: Good morning, everyone. Good morning. The sustainable island state agenda, um, will mesh very well with public relations. Everyone here is very professional in what they do. They get the work done. But we have to reach out to every petition to, for them to understand what we do. And not only understand what we do. To appreciate, because I know there's a lot of pressure that starts with the permanent secretary, with the minister, with a lot of complaints. And persons don't fully understand how we have to merge together as a ministry to make the island itself work. So the public relations persons have to understand, not at a technical level, because we are technical in here. That when they go into Jan, that when they go into Jan, that they understand where the water comes from, where the streets come from, where our nation comes together to understand that the sustainability starts with everyone. And the public relations, they have to understand why some persons get land, why some persons don't get land, what are the constraints and what's not. Because it comes frustrating to persons at the level at the top, because the individual person does not understand the bigger picture. But the public relations would also help with them understanding what we do as a ministry. [01:33:09] Speaker 10: Thank you for pointing out that. So we need to power up the public relations. Mr. Manners. [01:33:17] Speaker 19: Yes. I know you're going to call on me. So I said, let me preempt you. Congrats to the panel. Very interesting discussion. I haven't seen my schoolmate Bobby in a while. So good presentation. But I thought the comments by the young lady behind was very, yes, very, very insightful. It touches on what we are going to present later this morning in terms of a coordinated committee for better coordination. But even before we are presented that, she already knows what the issues are. It's lack of speaking to each other. The need for digitalization across all the departments and sharing of information. So even at all levels, we know what the issues are. Even in schools, probably, we know what the issues are. It's just to implement them, as Mr. Maynard said. So, yeah, I just wanted to comment on her comment, because I thought it was very insightful. It will lead into what we have to present later. And with regard to the panel, it's a very technical area, land. And in the ministry, I try to stay away from those discussions too much. But what I gather when we speak about the coordination committee, that these folks will really be the CESA leads when we speak about CESA, whichever one deals with sustainable settlement. So, thank you. [01:35:09] Speaker 10: Thank you, Mr. Manners. And then we won't want to stay too long from our break. So, I would invite Minister Clark to be the final speaker. Oh, you put up your hand again. Let's give her the opportunity then, Ms. Clark. [01:35:27] Speaker 16: We need to give young people more opportunities to be able to learn what you all know. Young people don't have enough opportunities to come out and able to share their views. So, we need to be able to come and talk and go on panels like you guys. So, yes, we need more opportunities for young people to grow and thrive and become outstanding individuals like yourselves. [01:35:56] Speaker 10: I love it. I love it. Give her a round of applause. Okay, Minister Clark, we welcome you with the final comment. [01:36:08] Speaker 6: Thank you so much. I'm really pleased by the engagement on the panel today. And I have one question about our future that I expect everyone to answer with one word. Or maybe three. How do we use all the resources from the Architects Registration Board, Frigate Bay, the Condominiums Act, the surveyors, planning, sustainability, lands and surveys to solve housing? One or three words? Or five. [01:36:41] Speaker ?: From each of you. [01:36:42] Speaker 6: You know what the main challenges are from your vantage point. What do we need to do? Sustainable settlements is pillar four for Sisa and it's very critical to us, to me. Well, okay. Shazan is going first. [01:37:02] Speaker ?: I'll interject. [01:37:03] Speaker 14: Purely because I don't think my answer is going to be a particularly favourable one, but I'm going to have to use as much words as possible. I just need everyone to understand the reality of our current situation is that going forward, we will not be able to sustainably distribute single parcels of land going forward. So one house per parcel truthfully is just not a reality for us as a nation because a lot of the land that we do have are lands that have alternative uses. As I mentioned before, the different protected areas, the areas that we have to safeguard, whether it's for water, whether it's, again, I mentioned the Central Farage Reserve earlier, and I'll get to my point, but I just want to stress on this. What I think people need to understand is people always say, well, we just don't go up in the hills and bail and we don't use the lands up in the hills. I don't think people understand that in St. Kitts, as we know, we mountain in the middle. So it means that all the water starts in the middle and washes out. We also have all coastal communities, which means that all of our communities are near the coast. They're developed naturally near the coast for different reasons, which means that those are very vulnerable areas. And we can't just go and take up the land in the mountain because that's one of the things that's protecting us from the landslides, from flooding, different factors. So going forward, we're going to have to just go vertical. And that's my one word, vertical. We're going to have to change our view of single unit homes. And I know that's not something that people are excited to hear because previously, of course, the generations that came before us, everybody had the house or everybody wanted to have the house. Realistically, we're going to have to find a way to provide solutions that feel individual, but cater to the reality of our situation. So to align what the minister was saying, my word was vertical. So we're going to have to start building upwards. Vertical. Right. Thank you. [01:39:14] Speaker 10: Bobby, you have three words or what? [01:39:16] Speaker 13: Yeah. What I would say is reiterate what I said at the onset. We have a finite resource or finite resources. One of the main elements is land. We have to change our mindset moving forward. We cannot think that we can spread out laterally because again, the implications in terms of the environment ecosystem and how it relates in our lives and the quality of life. So again, there is the option of vertical development, however sustainably using architectural solutions that are lead inspired and work with the ecosystem, wastewater system that can easily coexist with the irrigation systems. And we have to change our mindset basically. And we have to change our mindset basically. So I go back to managing what we have, our finite resources and thinking outside of the box to come up with ingenious architectural solutions and development solutions. Okay. [01:40:34] Speaker 10: They have set the context. So you are under pressure now for one to three words. [01:40:38] Speaker 12: Well, he just tossed the torch to me, but I think I have three words, but I would like to expand. [01:40:47] Speaker 10: You're keeping them from their snacks. Three words. There's three words. [01:40:51] Speaker 12: Modernized land cadastro. [01:40:53] Speaker 10: Modernized land cadastro. [01:40:56] Speaker 12: Yes. I would like to push forward on that. We really do need it. We have to ride the wave of technology and ensure that we have access to our landfills in real time so that everything can work seamlessly from distribution straight to acquisition and registration. [01:41:17] Speaker 10: Okay. Mr. Maynard, do you think you could do that? Three words. [01:41:21] Speaker 20: Yeah. I'm going to pass the exam now. He's going to pass the exam. I'm going to obey the instructions. Okay then. Those are not my words. [01:41:27] Speaker 10: Fairness. [01:41:28] Speaker 20: Common sense. Sustainability. Fairness. [01:41:31] Speaker 15: Common sense. Sustainability. Fairness. Common sense. Sustainability. [01:41:36] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:41:37] Speaker 10: Fairness. Common sense. Sustainability. Okay. [01:41:41] Speaker 11: So in the context of housing, three words, embracing mixed use. Embracing mixed uses. [01:41:52] Speaker 10: Mixed designs? What about mixed designs? [01:41:55] Speaker 11: Oh, you wanted me to elaborate? [01:41:58] Speaker 10: No, I was just, when you said it, designs came to me. [01:42:02] Speaker 11: Yeah. Mixed use development. Doing multiple things on one parcel. So we're going up, which is something that we promote, which is bigger densities. It's also embraced by the development corporation, which is a developer, so they know what it takes. And for us at Planning, limited land space, I cannot really underscore that. Basically, speak about how limited a land space that we have as an island. And so we have to be careful on how we use the lands. There's no opportunity to waste lands, especially when it comes to. [01:42:41] Speaker 10: Thank you so much for sharing your perspectives. That brings it to a close. Give the panel a rousing round of applause. And Miss Joseph, I invite you to give us some direction for the next activity, which would be our break. So we can turn on the mic. [01:43:05] Speaker ?: Thank you. [01:43:05] Speaker 10: Thank you, Mr. Ratan and to our distinguished contributors. [01:43:07] Speaker ?: I can tell that you all are very passionate about. [01:43:12] Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr. Ratan and to our distinguished contributors. I can tell that you all are very passionate about. safeguarding the environment. You spoke a lot about ministerial responsibilities and alignment, as well as a collective effort. And I do believe that these things are very important to coordinate the sustainable island state agenda. Now, before I move along, I would just like to reiterate what sustainability is all about. Based on the presenters. Mr. Farrier would have expressed that sustainability is a movement towards self-reliance. Ms. Douglas, on the other hand, expressed that CESA is a driving force behind sustainability. Mr. Morris spoke about a shared framework to ensure development that improves the lives of people and to maximize resources as well. Mr. Tuckett spoke about managing land sustainably and to consider the future generations. I believe it was Mr. Farrier who asked you guys about CESA. He would have asked whether you know what CESA is all about. And I did hear a few persons saying yes. Now, I have a question for you. There are seven interconnected pillars. Do you know what these pillars are? Anyone can answer. Yes. Ms. Rattan is responsible for the prizes. Yes. So, anybody can answer. Let's hear. What are the seven interconnected pillars? Not anybody from the platform. I'm more speaking to you in the audience at this time. One begins with the letter E. Just a hint. I'm hearing an answer. Energy. Very good. The other one begins with W. Water. There's one that begins with an F. Food and Nutrition. There's another one. It begins with an S. Sustainable Industries. And we also have Sustainable Settlements. Circular Economy. Health and Social Protection. Ladies and gentlemen, give yourself a warm round of applause for that, as well to our participants. Now, before the fireside dialogue, there was a promotional video being viewed, but I'm not confident that we were all paying attention. And as such, I will ask Chameleon Media to replay that video. So, I invite you to turn your attention to the screens on the left and on the right. [01:47:01] Speaker 9: Every day, we make choices. Like using less, so there's more for all of us. Choices that feed us. And support each other. Caring for each other. So we all stay strong. [01:47:37] Speaker ?: Turning waste into something that works. [01:47:43] Speaker 9: Turning waste into something that works. Creating with our hands. Building with our hearts. Building with our hearts. Making homes safer. And communities stronger. Lighting the way with clean energy. Together, we are CISA. [01:48:31] Speaker 1: All right. Where are you watching? Where are you looking? Yes, very good. I believe that was a very good presentation on what we can do on the individual level to advance our sustainable future. Now, it's time to take a break. It's a 15-minute break. You can get up and leave your seats and get something to eat. And I urge you to return promptly so that we can start our next session. Thank you. [01:49:02] Speaker 9: Every day we make choices. Like using less so there's more for all of us. Choices that feed us and support each other. Caring for each other so we all stay strong. Turning waste into something that works. Creating with our hands. Building with our hearts. [01:50:19] Speaker ?: The next day we will be able to do it. And we will be able to do it. And we will be able to do it. We will be able to do it. We will be able to do it. We will be able to do it. We will be able to do it. We will be able to do it.