Sara Duterte Trial Day 16 — P125 Million In Four Black Bags? Gina Acosta’s Shocking Testimony — N18G

[0:00] 125 million pesos [0:02] Pagkatapos ma-verify [0:05] ng bank teller [0:07] yung identification [0:08] at saka pagkatapos i-approve [0:10] yung pag-i-incast ng checking iyan [0:12] di po ba [0:13] you were instructed na magpunta [0:16] sa backroom [0:18] ng banko? [0:20] Objection, Your Honor. Misleading, Your Honor. [0:22] The witness hasn't testified yet. [0:23] Teller's confirmation. [0:25] It may be leading but it's okay to ask leading questions [0:29] because this was testified to by another [0:31] witness from land banks that she went to the [0:33] backroom. [0:34] Just to clarify, Your Honor, the objection is [0:37] grounded on [0:38] that it is misleading, Your Honor, [0:40] because there's no testimony yet [0:42] that [0:43] any bank teller verified [0:47] Your Honor. There's no testimony yet [0:48] from the witness, Your Honor. [0:49] No testimony. [0:52] He is asking the witness [0:56] on the basis of a testimony given before [0:58] the court counsel by a land bank official [1:00] that Gina and [1:02] if I recall correctly, [1:04] Cardinal Lachiga and Orortoño [1:05] went to the backroom of the bank. [1:08] And the bank officer, in fact, [1:09] if I remember correctly, [1:10] there was a door [1:13] leading to the [1:14] exit. [1:18] to another exit. [1:20] Yes, Your Honor. [1:21] Your Honor. [1:22] That pertains to the [1:23] DepEd Council. [1:25] Your Honor. [1:25] That may be the case, Your Honor, [1:28] but it hasn't yet testified by the witness. [1:30] So, [1:31] with due respect to the prosecution, [1:33] the proper basis must be laid, Your Honor. [1:36] Modify, modify, modify for this one, [1:39] counsel. [1:39] I stand corrected with respect to the [1:41] backdoor testimony that it connected [1:43] to DepEd. [1:44] I distinctly remember that. [1:45] Not with the OVP. [1:47] I stand corrected. [1:49] Backroom, backroom, Your Honor. [1:50] I'm asking for the backroom. [1:51] Now, isn't it? [1:53] Isn't it? [1:54] Okay? [1:56] In that afternoon, [1:58] you were instructed [1:59] to the backroom of the bank. [2:02] Di po ba? [2:04] Ano po yun? [2:06] Backroom? [2:07] Bankroom. [2:08] Backroom po. [2:09] Backroom. [2:10] Sorry po. [2:11] Sorry po, sir, ha. [2:12] It's okay. [2:12] Sorry po. [2:13] Attorney Ligudan, [2:14] kwarto sa likod o banyo? [2:16] Kwarto sa likod. [2:17] Kwarto sa... [2:18] Wala pong kwarto sa likod, Your Honor. [2:21] Okay. [2:21] Okay. [2:22] Okay now. [2:23] Now, the question is simple. [2:29] Saan nyo nakita [2:31] yung 125 million pesos [2:34] na in-incash nyo [2:36] sa araw na iyon [2:37] sa loob ng banko? [2:40] Doon po sa may likod niyang [2:41] Taylor, Your Honor. [2:43] Okay now. [2:44] Sa likod ng... [2:45] Open space po. [2:46] Okay. [2:47] Sa likod ng... [2:48] Taylor. [2:49] Taylor. [2:50] Now, ma'am, [2:53] can you describe for us [2:54] to give us a mental picture [2:57] how big the pile [3:01] of 125 million pesos [3:05] in cold cash is? [3:13] Ipa-describe. [3:20] Sorry, sir, ha. [3:23] Pero dilikai ko [3:24] well-versed [3:25] sa mga measure-measurement. [3:26] We will help you. [3:28] Pero nakasulod siya sa... [3:30] Nakalagay siya sa box [3:33] na nakabandal [3:36] tag 1 million [3:38] ang isa kabandal [3:40] na nakaputos, [3:41] nakabalot [3:42] o silofen [3:44] na silyo pa. [3:46] Silyado pa. [3:47] Sinasabi mo, ma'am, [3:49] na hindi ka well-versed [3:50] sa measurement. [3:51] Tama po ba? [3:51] Diba? [3:52] Now, [3:53] I will show you [3:55] a simulated representation [3:57] of 125 million pesos. [4:00] Sinabi mo [4:01] 1,000 peso bill. [4:02] Diba? [4:03] Show that to the screen, please. [4:06] I'm sorry. [4:14] You tell the public, ma'am, [4:16] if yung nakita mong [4:19] 125 million pesos [4:23] in cold cash. [4:26] Your Honor. [4:26] Wait, wait. [4:27] Nato dyan? [4:28] Nato dyan? [4:28] Nato dyan? [4:28] Counsel, to finish the question, [4:30] Attorney Bakuel. [4:34] Can you please confirm [4:36] if the cold cash [4:38] you saw [4:43] 125 million pesos, [4:48] do they look like that? [4:50] Your Honor. [4:51] Counsel? [4:52] Before the prosecution [4:54] proceeds with the question, [4:56] may we just ask [4:58] as to the source [4:58] of the photo [5:00] and how it was [5:01] generated [5:02] and produced? [5:04] Yes, Counsel. [5:05] Either it is distorted [5:06] because the [5:07] 1,000 peso bills [5:09] look bigger. [5:10] Yeah, Your Honor. [5:11] Is this AI? [5:13] Yes, of course. [5:14] That is simulated. [5:15] Okay. [5:17] Is this AI? [5:18] Wait, wait, wait. [5:19] Because we don't have [5:20] 125 million pesos [5:23] in cold cash. [5:25] So we had to resort [5:26] to technology. [5:29] Is that [5:29] Your Honor? [5:31] Artificial intelligence? [5:32] Is this AI? [5:33] Yes. [5:33] Generated? [5:34] Yes. [5:35] Counsel, [5:36] if you will allow [5:37] the presiding officer. [5:38] Ma'am Gina, [5:39] sabi nyo, [5:39] nakalagay po sa kahon [5:40] tigi-isan libong bundle. [5:43] Ilang kahon po? [5:45] Dalaway, Your Honor. [5:47] Gano'ng kalaki po yung kahon? [5:52] Gimitin nyo po yung kamay nyo. [5:56] Gano'ng kataas po? [5:58] Gano'ng kataas? [6:02] Gano'ng kataas po? [6:08] Yung kamay nyo po sa baba, [6:09] pakipat, [6:10] yan, [6:11] para makita po namin. [6:13] Ganyang kataas [6:13] at ganito, [6:14] kalapad? [6:15] Kasing lapad po [6:16] ng witness stand? [6:21] 125 million po yan. [6:22] Dalawang kahong ganyan. [6:24] Opo, Your Honor. [6:26] Binilang nyo po ba? [6:27] Tinanggal nyo po ba [6:28] mula sa kahon? [6:29] O hindi na? [6:30] Tinanggal po sa kahon, [6:31] Your Honor. [6:33] Pagkatanggal nyo sa kahon, [6:34] binalik nyo ba sa kahon? [6:35] Hindi po, [6:36] Your Honor. [6:37] Saan nyo na nilagay? [6:39] Nilagay ko po [6:40] sa aking apat na bag. [6:43] Ito po yung duffel bag. [6:45] Parang traveling bag po, [6:46] Your Honor, [6:47] na oblong. [6:48] Traveling bag, [6:49] apat pong gano'n. [6:50] Yes, Your Honor. [6:51] Okay. [6:52] Proceed, Your Honor. [6:53] Your witness counsel. [6:54] Sinabi mo, Ma'am, [6:55] na yung 125 million [6:56] pesos naka-bundle [6:58] into 1,000 peso bills. [7:01] Sa isang bundle [7:02] is 1 million pesos. [7:05] Again, [7:06] para sa ating mga kababayan [7:07] na hindi pa nakakita, [7:09] how does a 1 million [7:10] buy this? [7:13] Counsel, [7:14] is that an actual thing again [7:15] or a reproduction? [7:19] Your Honor. [7:21] Yes, [7:21] while you're showing the witness, [7:23] Attorney Backel. [7:25] May we just interpose [7:26] an objection [7:27] as regards [7:28] presenting the witness [7:30] those props, [7:32] Your Honor, [7:33] inasmuch as [7:34] the parties [7:37] are uncertain, [7:38] the defense [7:39] is uncertain [7:40] as to how [7:40] is that [7:41] an accurate representation [7:43] of what [7:44] the prosecution [7:45] claims to be, [7:46] Your Honor. [7:47] I will ask, [7:48] I will ask the question [7:48] of Your Honor, [7:49] please. [7:51] Before I rule [7:52] on the objection, [7:53] yes, [7:53] counsel, [7:54] ask your question. [7:55] And kindly, [7:56] don't cover [7:57] Ms. Gina. [7:59] I'm so sorry. [8:02] Ma'am, [8:03] sinabi mo, [8:05] yung 125 [8:06] billion pesos [8:07] nakapile [8:09] by 1 million [8:11] peso each, [8:12] tama po ba? [8:13] And then, [8:14] yung bills [8:14] ginamit is [8:15] 1,000, [8:16] tama po ba? [8:17] Sinabi mo, [8:18] hindi ka well-versed [8:19] sa measurement, [8:20] yun sabi mo, [8:20] di ba? [8:21] Kaya nga, [8:23] eto yung simulated [8:25] 10 bundles, [8:29] the size is similar [8:30] to 1,000 [8:31] peso bills. [8:34] Ma'am, [8:36] yung 1 million, [8:39] pwede nyo pong hawakan [8:40] if you want. [8:41] If you want lang, [8:41] ha? [8:42] Kailang itagal, [8:43] ma'am, ha? [8:43] Now, [8:47] yung 1 million pesos [8:48] kamukha ba [8:50] ng isang bundle na ito? [8:54] Your Honor. [8:54] Wait, wait. [8:56] Is that your question, [8:58] Attorney? [8:59] Yes. [9:00] Yes, [9:01] Attorney Bachel. [9:01] Your Honor, [9:02] we manifest that [9:04] upon the examination [9:05] of assisting counsel, [9:07] these appear to be [9:08] just blue-colored [9:09] lengthwise papers [9:11] wrapped in plastic [9:12] with 10 bundles each. [9:16] How is this [9:17] an accurate [9:17] representation [9:18] of the size [9:22] of whatever [9:23] the prosecution [9:23] claims to be [9:24] your Honor? [9:25] Dare yet to lay [9:26] the proper basis [9:27] as regards this? [9:28] Council claims [9:29] it's a mere simulation. [9:30] If that is an objection [9:33] counsel, [9:33] I will have to [9:34] overrule the objection. [9:35] Witness will [9:36] please answer. [9:37] Ma'am, [9:37] parang ganyan po ba [9:38] yung bundle [9:39] ng tagi-isan [9:39] libong [9:40] winidro ninyo? [9:40] Your Honor, [9:44] may I know po [9:45] kung ito po ay [9:47] is this [9:50] 100,000? [9:54] Yes. [9:55] Is this [9:56] 100,000? [9:57] I think we did [9:57] sa pagkakaalala [9:58] niyo po [9:58] kung tagi-isan [9:59] libo po yan. [10:01] Yes. [10:01] 10 bundle [10:02] ng tagi-isan [10:03] libo [10:03] na ang kabuhuhan [10:04] ay 1,000,000 [10:05] sa isang balot [10:06] ng plastic. [10:07] Ganyan po ba [10:08] yung itsura [10:08] ng inyong winidro? [10:11] Yung bundle po [10:12] ah, yung bundle. [10:13] Basta nakabalot lang po [10:15] siya ng [10:15] silupin, [10:16] Your Honor, [10:16] tapos binilang po [10:17] namin. [10:18] Ma'am, [10:19] minyo say silupin, [10:20] plastic. [10:20] Plastic. [10:21] Ito, [10:21] ito ni Honor. [10:23] Kaya nga, [10:23] so ganyan po [10:24] yung size. [10:24] Oo, [10:24] nakasilyo po [10:25] Your Honor. [10:26] Bagong pera po ba? [10:27] Lumang pera? [10:28] Bagong pera po, [10:29] Your Honor. [10:31] Okay, [10:31] so mga ganyan nga po [10:32] yung size. [10:33] Yung lang ang tinatanong [10:33] sa inyo ni [10:34] Eternity Legutal. [10:36] Huwag natin pag-usapan [10:36] yung bigat, [10:37] yung, [10:38] yung, [10:38] yung hugis. [10:39] We're going to [10:40] the wait later. [10:44] Halos ganyan po ba? [10:46] Ganito po, [10:47] Your Honor, [10:48] basta nakabalot po [10:49] siya ng silupin. [10:50] Ma'am, [10:50] kayo naman. [10:51] Makita niyo naman [10:52] kung halos parehas. [10:53] Para halos parehas po ba? [10:55] Yung lang, [10:55] ganun kasimple yung tanong. [10:58] May similarity [10:59] gama, [10:59] Your Honor. [11:00] May manggot siya, [11:02] lapad-lapad man [11:03] ang kwarta. [11:04] Okay. [11:05] Thank you, [11:06] Your Honor. [11:07] Now, [11:08] Madam Witness, [11:12] ilan yan? [11:13] 1, 2, 3, 4, [11:15] 5, 6, [11:16] 1, 2, 3, 4, [11:19] 5, 6, [11:20] 7, 8. [11:21] So, [11:21] 125th [11:23] of these [11:23] bundles, [11:24] correct? [11:26] Yung nakita niyo [11:27] sa hapon na yun. [11:30] December 20, [11:31] 2022. [11:33] Tama po ba? [11:35] Tama po ba? [11:35] Yun yung nakita niyo [11:36] sa banko [11:38] na in-incash [11:39] ng Office of the Vice President. [11:42] Cash. [11:43] Gold cash. [11:44] Sa hapon na yun. [11:45] Tama po ba? [11:47] Ano po? [11:48] 125 million po ito. [11:50] Your Honor [11:50] ang nakita na ko [11:51] na mag-iihap. [11:52] Yes. [11:53] Gibilang po namin [11:53] Your Honor. [11:54] Yeah, 125. [11:55] Your Honor. [11:57] Just to clarify, [11:58] Gina, [11:58] before Attorney Backel, [11:59] before I recognize you, [12:01] bundle count lang po [12:02] ang ginawa niyo. [12:04] Bundle count po, [12:05] Your Honor? [12:05] Hindi niyo na po [12:05] binuksan yung cellophane [12:07] na sinasabi niyo, [12:07] na yung plastic, [12:08] binilang niyo na lang po [12:09] 125 yung ganon. [12:11] Hindi na po, [12:11] Your Honor. [12:13] Nakasilyo po kasi [12:14] Your Honor. [12:15] So binilang niyo na lang po [12:16] 125 na ganon. [12:19] Opo, Your Honor. [12:19] Hindi na isa-isa. [12:22] Hindi niyo na binilang [12:23] isa-isa yung bill. [12:26] Yung tigisan libo. [12:28] Hindi na po. [12:29] Okay. [12:30] Attorney Backel, [12:30] yes, [12:31] what is your [12:32] comment or objection? [12:34] Your Honor, [12:34] may we respectfully ask [12:36] if the props [12:38] could already be removed, [12:39] Your Honor. [12:40] Because it's not [12:42] necessary for the [12:43] testimony of the witness. [12:45] It is, [12:46] Your Honor. [12:46] It is. [12:47] Are you done yet [12:47] with that, [12:48] with your [12:49] simulation council? [12:50] Not yet, [12:50] not yet. [12:51] Okay. [12:51] Now, [12:52] wind it up. [12:53] Yes. [12:54] Now, [12:54] I'm sure, [12:55] Madam Witness, [12:56] with your figure, [12:59] kanangimong kadakun [13:00] sa lawas, [13:00] ma'am, [13:02] you would not be able [13:03] to bring yung [13:04] kadami-daming [13:05] 125 million pesos [13:07] in cold cash na iyan. [13:09] Tama po ba? [13:11] Tama po. [13:11] Now, [13:12] who were with you [13:13] in the bank [13:14] yung moment na iyan? [13:21] Your Honor, [13:21] ibig sabihin pa [13:22] kung sinong kasama ko [13:23] pagpunta sa bank ko? [13:25] Yung nasa bank ko na, [13:27] sa loob ng bank ko, [13:28] kaharap yung [13:29] 125 million pesos [13:32] in cold cash. [13:33] Sino yung kasama mo [13:34] from the office [13:35] of the vice president [13:36] kung meron man? [13:39] Your Honor, [13:40] before the [13:41] yes, [13:41] may answer, [13:42] Your Honor. [13:43] The question of the prosecution [13:44] is totally unrelated [13:46] to the use [13:47] of the props, [13:48] Your Honor. [13:48] Your Honor, [13:49] I am going there. [13:50] I'm still not finished. [13:52] May we just respect, [13:54] the defense respectfully [13:55] requests, [13:56] Your Honor, [13:56] that these be removed [13:57] until the relevant question [13:59] is interposed [14:00] considering that the witness [14:01] has the right [14:02] to be respected as well. [14:04] Wait, wait, wait. [14:05] I think I see, [14:06] Attorney Backel, [14:07] I think the court sees [14:08] well, [14:09] Attorney Ligutan [14:09] is getting to, [14:11] get to it, [14:12] Attorney Ligutan. [14:12] Yes, yes. [14:13] Okay. [14:14] Ms. Gina, [14:15] may kasama po ba [14:15] kayong ibang tao [14:16] mula sa OVP [14:17] nung pinikap niyo yung pera? [14:19] Meron po, [14:20] Your Honor. [14:20] Sino po? [14:21] Si Asik Ortonyo po, [14:23] Your Honor. [14:24] Okay. [14:25] Attorney Ligutan, [14:25] Your Witness. [14:26] Okay, now, [14:27] walang membro [14:28] ng VPSPG, [14:30] okay, [14:31] yung kasama nyo, [14:32] yung Vice Presidential [14:33] Special Protection Group [14:34] kasama nyo [14:35] sa loob ng bankong iyan. [14:37] Tama po ba? [14:39] Wala, Your Honor, [14:40] pero ang aming driver po [14:42] ay member po [14:44] ng VPSPG. [14:46] Yes, ma'am. [14:47] Now, [14:49] even with such [14:50] large amount of money, [14:54] hindi nyo naisipan [14:55] na mag-request [14:57] ng isang [14:59] or maraming escort [15:01] na sasama sa inyo [15:03] sa banko [15:04] tsaka lalabas [15:06] with those bills. [15:10] Tama po ba? [15:11] Objection, [15:12] Your Honor, [15:12] argumentative. [15:13] Your Honor, [15:14] overruled counsel. [15:16] Witness your answer? [15:18] Ang gisama ko po, [15:19] Your Honor, [15:20] nakisuyo po ako, [15:21] nasamahan po ako [15:22] ni Asik Ortonyo. [15:25] Ortonyo lang. [15:26] Nakiusap ka, [15:27] nasamahan ka ni Asik Ortonyo. [15:29] Yes, Your Honor. [15:31] How did you bring out [15:32] out of the bank [15:34] yun yung [15:35] that [15:36] 125 million pesos? [15:39] Your Honor, [15:41] pwede ulitin ang question. [15:43] Okay, [15:43] paano nyo inilabas [15:45] ng banko [15:47] yung 125 million pesos [15:50] na iyan? [15:52] May tumulong po sa akin, [15:53] Your Honor. [15:56] Okay now, [15:57] sino yung tumulong sa inyo? [15:59] Yung security [15:59] ng land bank po, [16:01] Your Honor. [16:02] This is the question now. [16:04] Okay. [16:05] Yung 125 million pesos [16:06] na iyan, [16:09] did you put it [16:11] into [16:12] bags [16:13] or you [16:14] brought them out [16:16] one by one? [16:19] Nilagay po yun [16:20] sa apat na bag, [16:21] Your Honor. [16:22] Apat na bag. [16:23] So, [16:23] hindi po [16:24] hand carry lang [16:25] yung bills na iyan. [16:26] Hindi, [16:27] Your Honor. [16:27] Okay, [16:27] so now we will [16:29] give in [16:29] to what the defense [16:30] wants, [16:31] Your Honor, [16:31] please. [16:32] Having been satisfied [16:33] that this person [16:36] cannot bring [16:37] out of the bank [16:38] using her own [16:39] two hands [16:40] these bills, [16:43] now, [16:44] we can now. [16:44] Attorney J. [16:45] Assisting counsel. [16:46] Let me now remove. [16:55] Proceed counsel. [16:55] Okay now, [16:56] you said [16:57] you put them [16:59] sa mga traveling bags. [17:00] Ilang bags? [17:01] Apat po, [17:02] di ba? [17:03] Apat, [17:04] Your Honor. [17:04] Can you describe [17:05] to us [17:06] yung size [17:07] ng mga traveling bags [17:09] na ito? [17:13] Ganito, [17:13] Your Honor. [17:14] Paoblong. [17:15] Okay now. [17:18] Okay, [17:18] paoblong. [17:19] I will show you [17:20] now representation [17:21] of 125 million pesos [17:25] inside four [17:27] traveling bags. [17:30] Ito yung tanong now. [17:40] Okay, [17:42] four traveling bags [17:43] with bills, [17:48] 1,000 peso bills [17:49] inside them. [17:51] Yung hapon na iyon, [17:53] ma'am. [17:53] Maalala nyo ba, [17:55] Ms. Gina F. Acosta, [17:57] kung yung na-withdraw nyo [17:59] na 125 million pesos [18:02] na isinilid nyo [18:03] sa four traveling bags, [18:06] do they look [18:07] like this? [18:09] Before you answer, [18:10] Gina, [18:11] counsel for respondent? [18:13] Your Honor, [18:13] we interpose [18:14] the same objection [18:15] as regards [18:16] the use of [18:18] AI-generated imagery, [18:21] Your Honor, [18:21] without laying [18:22] the proper basis [18:23] as to how [18:24] it accurately [18:25] accurately [18:26] represents [18:27] what the prosecution [18:28] claims to be, [18:29] Your Honor. [18:29] It has no basis, [18:31] Your Honor. [18:31] The court will simply [18:32] note the objection [18:33] of counsel. [18:34] And counsel, [18:35] the court will also [18:37] take note [18:38] of your continuing [18:39] objection with respect [18:40] to the use [18:41] of AI-generated [18:42] representations [18:44] of what he is asking [18:47] of what he is asking [18:47] the witness about. [18:49] If it shows closely [18:51] or not, [18:54] what bag she used [18:56] to bring out [18:56] the 125 million. [18:59] Opo. [18:59] With your permission, [19:00] counsel, [19:01] court will note [19:01] your continuing [19:02] objection, [19:03] the use of AI [19:03] representations. [19:04] Thank you, Your Honor. [19:05] Witness will [19:07] please answer, [19:08] Ma'am Gina. [19:09] Parang ganyan po ba [19:10] yung apat na bag [19:11] na pinaglagyan nyo? [19:13] Dili, [19:14] hindi ganyan, [19:15] Your Honor, [19:16] kasi ang opening [19:17] niyan is round. [19:20] Opo. [19:20] Yun, [19:21] bo. [19:22] Ang sa akin, [19:23] ang dinala ko na bag [19:24] is paganoon po [19:25] ang zipper. [19:26] Bo, [19:27] pahaba. [19:27] Yung kabuoan [19:28] ng bag. [19:28] Okay, [19:29] number one, [19:29] yun ang isang [19:30] pagkakaiba. [19:31] Kulay? [19:32] Kulay black. [19:34] Pareho. [19:37] At apat na bag, [19:38] kumasa yung 125. [19:40] Apat po na bag, [19:41] Your Honor. [19:42] Okay, [19:43] thank you so much. [19:44] Ma'am, [19:45] in putting the bills [19:46] inside the bag, [19:48] okay, [19:48] sino ba yung tumulong?