Sara Duterte Impeachment Trial LIVE: Day 14 HEATS UP — Confidential Funds Under Fire

[0:00] Opo, tama po. [0:01] You may proceed, counsel. [0:05] Dahil dito, sa sinabi mong violation, wala sa period, as observed by the Honorable Presiding Officer. [0:16] At dahil wala naman sa listahan sa Joint Circular kung saan pwedeng gamitin ang confidential funds, ano ang ginawa mo after that, if any? [0:26] After po evaluating the response ng OBB at saka po yung mga attachments neto, ako po ay nag-draft ng Notice of Disallowance at isinabit ko po ito sa aking Division Chief for her review. [0:41] If I will show you, pag pinakita sa iyo ang isang Notice of Disallowance for purposes of the record, Your Honor, this has been pre-marked as Exhibit P-1-13-C. Would you be able to identify it? [0:56] Opo. [0:59] Showing to you, Attorney De La Cruz, we'll show it to you. [1:03] Please go over this document and tell us if the relationship of this document to the Notice of Disallowance you have mentioned. [1:13] And again, we are seeking permission to flash it for ECC reference on screen. [1:27] Opo, yun po yung same copy ng Notice of Disallowance na inisyo namin sa Office of the Vice President. [1:32] Please look, counsel, please look at this Notice of Disallowance. [1:37] There is a signature there on top of the name Nilda B. Claras. [1:45] Kanino pong signature ito? [1:47] Si Assistant Commissioner Nilda Claras po ang officer in charge ng IKFAO nung ma-issue po ang dokumento na ito. [1:56] Anong ibig sabihin pag pinirmahan ng isang Assistant Commissioner ang isang Notice of Disallowance na DRENAF mo? [2:09] Ito po is for release na po sa, na-approve po niya kung alam, ang laman neto at for release na po ito sa agency. [2:17] For release ng agency. Okay. [2:18] Tell us, Madam Witness, itong Notice of Disallowance ng COA-IKFAO, yung recommendation mo at yung in-approve ng Assistant Commissioner for release. [2:33] Magkano? Magkano ang disallowed ng COA-IKFAO? [2:38] Ang disallowance po is P73,287,000. [2:45] Ano naman ang basis ng disallowance na ito? [2:49] Ang disallowance po na ito, binubuo po ito ng first, yung payment of rewards in the total amount of P69,787,000. [2:58] Before you proceed, Your Honours, please, this is being flashed on the screen. [3:02] This is the first page of Exhibit P-1-13-C, which is the Notice of Disallowance identified by this witness. [3:11] First page dyan, Madam Witness, ano ang breakdown or basihan ng iyong Notice of Disallowance? [3:19] Yung P73,287,000, ang bumubuo po dito is yung payment for rewards amounting to P69,787,000 plus yung P3.5 million for payments for tables and chairs, desktop computers, and printers po. [3:42] Dalawang amount na naka-indicate dyan. Bakit dalawang amount? Paki-explain. [3:48] Ito po ba yung sa number 1 na yung P69,587,000 at yung sa... [3:56] In item number 1, if you can check your document on the screen, item number 1 sa Notice of Disallowance, dalawa ang amount na naka-state. [4:07] Isa, P69,587,000 at yung isa ay P69,787,000. [4:17] Ito ba ay typo, discrepance? Ano ang... bakit may hindi pareho itong amount? [4:25] Ito po ay isang typographical error po. Ang tamang amount po ay P69,787,000. [4:32] Okay. Ngayon naman, Madam Witness, let us go to page 2, item number 2. [4:46] Ano naman? Pakibasa ang sinabi dito sa page 2, item number 2. [4:54] The Notice of Disallowance po is issued kasi yung pangalawang reason po is charging payment for tables and chairs, desktop computers and printers in the total amount of 3.5 million to confidential fund without specifying that they were intended for the confidential operations slash activities undertaken by the OBP, non-compliant with the requirement of item 4.8.4 of the Joint Circular. [5:23] Ano yung item 4.8 ng circular na sinasabi mo? [5:28] Pwede po ba akong mag-refer para po sa Joint Circular? [5:31] With a permission? [5:32] Witness may refer to the document. [5:34] Thank you po. [5:52] Based po sa item 4.8.4 ng Joint Circular, purchase or rental of supplies, materials and equipment for confidential operations that cannot be done through regular procedures without compromising the information gathering activity concern. [6:08] Okay. Bakit ito ay naging basihan ng disallowance? Nung tables and chairs na yan, di ba confidential yun? [6:17] Kung saan binili yung table and chair na yan, di ba confidential yun, Madam Witness? [6:22] Hindi po kasi nila in-specify na the payments for table, yung tables and chairs and desktop computers were used for confidential operations po. [6:30] So, wala po silang nasubmit na any explanation dun sa response po nila. [6:36] Kailangan ba mag-submit ng, anong mga kailangan isubmit na dokumento by way of, para explain kung saan ginamit itong tables and chairs, laptop, tsaka anong hinahanap ninyo sa post-audit? [6:51] Dapat po mapatunayan nila na ito ay binili para po sa confidential operations ng ahensya. [6:58] At anong kailangan na dokumento? [7:03] And since this pertains po sa purchases, dapat po supported ito ng either sales invoice or official receipts po. [7:11] Okay. Sa pag-evaluate mo nitong dokumentong sinubmit ng Office of the Vice, meron ba yun mga official receipts, sales invoice na sinubmit? [7:28] Wala po. [7:29] Isa, dalawa, tatlo. Walang sinubmit, Madam Witness? [7:33] Wala pong mga resibo po. [7:35] Okay. Now, based sa iyong audit, sino-sino ang liable persons dito sa connection, in connection, in connection with this notice of disallowance na binasa mo, [7:50] sino-sino ang mga persons na responsible or accountable dyan sa pinakita mo? [7:59] Ang mga persons po na liable or responsible is, first po, the head of agency, Vice President Sara Duterte, the special disbursing officer, si Ms. Gina Acosta, at ang chief accountant po na si Ms. Julieta Villadela Ray. [8:18] Okay. Sa document na yan, pwede bang pakita mo yung mga pangalan na sinabi mo? [8:26] Nasa page 2 po. [8:28] Showing to you page 2, Madam Witness, and being flashed on the screen. [8:34] Please tell us, if these are the very same persons na sinabi mo na accountable? [8:41] Yes po. [8:41] Bakit sila accountable? [8:44] Unang-una po, yung si Vice President Sara Duterte po, siya po ang nag-approve ng transaction, including the utilization of the cash advance. [8:53] Saan nakalagay dyan na siya ang nag-approve? [8:56] Yun pong sa accomplishment report. [9:01] And then, kay Ms. Gina Acosta naman po, dahil siya ang special disbursing officer, and she disbursed po the cash advance. [9:10] Ito naman, Villa Del Rey. Bakit sinasabi mo na accountable officer siya? [9:16] Nag-certify po siya dun sa backseat ng liquidation report na ang supporting documents are complete and proper. [9:25] Hindi ba nila ginawa ito? Yung mga sinasabi mo na kailangan sa joint circular? [9:32] Yes po. [9:35] Yes. [9:35] It kasi po, yung participation nila sa transaction, kaya po sila nasama sa persons na liable po sa transaction na ito. [9:47] Dahil, first, si BP Sara bilang siya ang head of agency, at siya po ang nag-approve ng transaction and utilization ng cash advance. [9:56] Pangalawa po, ang naging participation po ni Ms. Gina Acosta is siya po ang special disbursing officer, at siya po yung nag-disbursing ng cash advance. [10:06] At kay Ms. Solieta Villa Del Rey naman po, sinertify niya na complete and proper yung supporting documents, pero hindi po complete and proper yung nasubmit po sa amin. [10:16] Okay. Madam Witness, nag-issue ka, nag-issue ang COA-IQFAO ng notice of disallowance. What happened next, if any, kung maalala mo? [10:28] Noon pong February 5, 2025, nag-appeal po ang Office of the Vice President. Nag-file po sila ng petition for review sa commission proper. [10:39] And do you know what happened to this petition for review? [10:42] Noong April 10, 2026 po, nag-labas ng decision ng commission proper at na-furnishan po ang aming office and in-affirm po nila yung notice of disallowance in the total amount of $73,287,000. [11:00] So yung petition for review, disallowed pa rin? [11:09] Noon pong lumabas yung decision ng commission proper, in-affirm po nila yung disallowance. [11:14] Magkano yung disallowed ng commission proper? [11:18] Same po sa notice of disallowance namin, $73,287,000 po. [11:24] At ano naman ang ibig sabihin ng disallowed? [11:30] Ang notice of disallowed po is sa level ni IKFAO po kasi pag nag-issue kami ng notice of disallowance, [11:39] meron na po sila, we demand them to ibalik po yung pondo, pero meron pong remedy which is yung ginawa nila, [11:47] nag-file sila ng petition for review po sa commission proper. [11:51] At ano naman ang nangyari sa petition for review na yan? [11:55] Ayun nga po, nagkaroon ng COA decision na in-affirm po nila yung notice of disallowance. [12:00] Pagkatapos na in-affirm yung notice of disallowance ng commission, ano ang ginawa, if at all? [12:10] Noong May po, May 2026, meron po silang final na motion for reconsideration. [12:16] So nag-file ng motion for reconsideration ang office of the vice president. [12:22] Anong nangyari sa motion for reconsideration na final? [12:26] Well, tungkol dito sa decision na ibalik ang 73 million na yan, ano ang status? [12:35] Wala pa pong naging decision ang commission proper po. Pending resolution po. [12:42] Punta naman tayo sa first quarter and second quarter of 2023 which covers the office of the vice president's liquidation of confidential funds. [12:58] What is your participation? Ano naman ang participation mo dito? [13:04] Sa pag-evaluate ng liquidation expenses or documents na sinabit ng office of the vice president. [13:15] For anong period po? [13:17] For the first quarter of 2020. First and second quarters of 2023. [13:29] Ako po ang nag-evaluate ng response ng OVP sa audit observation memorandum po na na-issue sa kanila for that period. [13:39] Yung dalang quarters e nag-issue ng audit observation memorandum. Sino ang nag-issue? [13:46] Yun po, si Mr. Wamil po. Na-issue po yung AOM na yun noong time ni Mr. Wamil. [13:51] And if shown to you this AOM, audit observation memorandum dated February 2024, for the record, this is exhibit P-1-13-E being shown to the witness and being flashed on the screen for easy reference. [14:10] Will you be able, Madam Witness, to identify the same? [14:20] For the record, this is a stipulated document. [14:23] Yes po. [14:32] Pagkatapos ng issuance nitong audit observation memorandum, meron bang ginawa ang office of the vice president? [14:41] Nagsubmit po sila ng response noong April 19, 2024. [14:48] Para saan itong response? [14:49] Response po nila sa AOM na na-issue po sa kanila for the first and second quarters of 2023. [14:56] And just to remind us, anong period covered ng first quarter? [15:00] It's for the February 6th to March 29, 2023. [15:07] At yung second quarter po, April 25 to June 30, 2023. [15:13] Okay. [15:15] How many, Madam Witness, kung maalala mo, ilang, ano, ano ah, wait, I will withdraw the question. [15:22] Ito ba sa response na sinabit ng office of the vice president, ano ang mga naka-attach dito sa response na ito? [15:42] Sa response po nila, nag-attach po sila ng acknowledgement receipts, certification ni Colonel Lachica, at mga protective intelligence operations reports po. [15:52] So, before we go to those documents na sinasabi mo, sa response being shown on the screen, there is on the second page, counsel, will you show the second page? [16:02] There is a second page, there is a signature appearing on the second page of the response. [16:14] Whose signature is that? Appearing above the name, Attorney Lopez? [16:21] Opo. [16:22] Kaninang signature yan, if you know. [16:26] Kay Atty. Zuleika Lopez po. [16:28] At dito naman, above the name, Mr. Ortonio? [16:32] Kay Mr. Limuel Ortonio po. [16:34] And you are familiar with these signatures for the same reasons you stated earlier? [16:38] Yes po, tama po. [16:39] Sa response na sinabit ng office of the vice president, sinabi mo kanina, meron mga acknowledgement receipts, no? [16:47] So, if shown to you, a summary, these acknowledgement receipts, how many acknowledgement receipts were attached to the response for the first quarter of 2023? [17:04] Yung sa first quarter po ng 2023 is 519. [17:10] 519 acknowledgement receipts. [17:13] At sinabi mo kanina, this covers the period February 6th to March 29, 2023. Tama? [17:20] Opo, tama po. [17:20] Okay. [17:21] Sa second quarter of 2023, ilan naman ang acknowledgement receipts nang sinabit ng office of the vice president? [17:32] 530 po. [17:34] So, pag total number ng acknowledgement receipts for the first quarter and second quarter is how much? [17:45] 1,049 po. [17:47] At madam witness, if shown to you, these acknowledgement receipts, or a summary, acknowledgement receipts, if shown to you certified through copies of these acknowledgement receipts, would you be able to identify the same? [18:11] Yes, po. [18:12] By agreement with the honorable presiding officer, your honor, in lieu of this witness glossing over or looking over the documents, but they are in front of her, your honor. [18:35] We manifest that she has prepared a tabulation. [18:40] Yes, as agreed to also by counsel for the respondent. [18:44] The witness need not peruse individually and flip over us, the word used by counsel, these ARs, and may refer to her tabulation and her summary that she prepared with respect to, ma'am. [18:58] The first and second quarter of 2022 for the ARs, acknowledgement receipts, for the office of the vice president. [19:07] You may refer to your table and her summary, ma'am, if you have one. [19:11] Your honor, please, may we also make the manifestation, your honor, for future witnesses, your honor. [19:16] This should not dispense with our future witnesses, being able to identify, to use and to identify certain acknowledgement receipts, your honor, which are part of the summary or tabulation. [19:33] Without prejudice of the reservation of counsel, the court will allow it. [19:38] Ms. Eileen, or Attorney Lorna, can you kindly give us a copy? [19:43] Because that is not yet a marked document, right? [19:45] Your honor, for the record, we are handing over the table. [19:57] This summary is your honor. [19:59] Hindi po ito pre-marked, but we are now giving a copy to the honorable presiding officer and to counsel for the respondent. [20:08] Yes, kindly do so. [20:10] The clerk of court is instructed to reproduce the copy to be able to give each center judge with... [20:20] A copy of the table or summary. [20:41] For the record, your honor, while our witness is perusing this document, we have given a copy of what she is going over, both to the presiding officer for the clerk of, through the clerk of court, your honor, and to the respondent's counsel. [21:00] And again, for the record, this is for the first quarter, February 6, March 29, 2023, consisting of 519 documents in that summary, and second quarter of the office of the vice president, covering the period April 25 to June 30, 2023, consisting of 1,049 documents, your honor, total for both quarters. [21:40] And, your honor, we will be requesting through the clerk of court, your honor, at some time, that this be marked as exhibit... [21:55] The tabulation being identified by the witness, be identified by the witness, be identified for the first quarter, as P-1-30-Q-1, and series. [22:14] And, the tabulation for the second quarter, be marked as exhibit P-1-31-Q-1, and series. [22:25] The, your honor, the aforementioned tabulations and their summaries are hereby ordered to be, um, so marked by the clerk of court at the appropriate time. [22:40] We have selected, for the first and second quarter, your honor, we have selected for better appreciation of the honorable presiding judge and our senator judges, your honor. [22:58] We have selected certain acknowledgement receipts, which we request be shown to the witness when she is done. [23:55] Madam Witness, uh, just look at the summaries, please. [24:03] You confirm that these summaries, uh, marked in evidence now, are yours? [24:12] Yes, po. [24:13] Now, tell us, tell us, walk us through, anong proseso ang ginawa mo sa paggawa mo ng mga summary na to? [24:20] During the evaluation po, um, I tabulated po yung acknowledgement receipts, dun po, based sa date, kung kailan sila na-execute, the expense, and the amount po. [24:34] Kaya, ang nakalagay po sa tabulation ko is the date, the amount, and the expense po. [24:40] Yung pangalan? [24:43] Hindi na po namin na, hindi ko na po na-tabulate yung sa names. [24:47] Okay, so nakalagay dyan yung amount, yung date, and yung expense. [24:52] At yung expense. [24:54] But if I show to you certain acknowledgement receipts, which were part of the documents that you said were turned over to the COA-ICFAO office, [25:06] would you be able, pag pinakita sa'yo, certain acknowledgement receipts na parte, na nasa part ng tabulation o summary mo, [25:15] would you be able to identify the same? [25:17] Yes, po. [25:18] Okay, I will show you now. [25:20] And with the kind permission of this Honorable Court, [25:23] we have chosen certain acknowledgement receipts to be flashed on the screen, Your Honor, [25:29] and being shown to the witness. [25:33] Mark the exhibit P-1-8-14-18. [25:37] It's a certain Pia Piatos Lim. [25:46] Could you read the date, Madam Witness? [25:53] Dito po is May 17, 2023. [26:00] Na-receipt po ni Pia Piatos Lim. [26:04] Para saan ito, allegedly? [26:07] For the purchase of information po. [26:09] Okay, and may signature dyan sa ilalim. [26:14] Whose signature is this at the bottom? [26:18] Ito po is signature po ng admin staff namin sa ICFAO. [26:22] Who is your admin staff in ICFAO? [26:25] Si Mr. David E. Bakay po. [26:28] David Bakay. [26:30] David E. Bakay. [26:31] And that is his signature, administrative. [26:34] Ano ang significance nitong C9 ng administrative staff ninyo, [26:40] ang acknowledgement receipts? [26:43] Pinapatunayan po nitong certification na ito, [26:45] na ito po yung copy na sinabmit sa amin ng OVP. [26:49] Pinapatunayan na ang binabasa mo ay kasama sa binigay ng respondent. [26:57] Yes po. Kasama po ito sa binigay sa amin na acknowledgement receipts in response po sa AOM. [27:05] So yung summary ng acknowledgement receipts for the first quarter [27:10] and second quarter ng Office of the Vice President, [27:14] consisting of 1,049 separate acknowledgement receipts. [27:18] Sabihin mo nga sa amin kung meron similar signature ang all other acknowledgement receipts ni Mr. Davin Bakay. [27:35] Yes po. Doon po sa mga acknowledgement receipts na ito is lahat po sinertify ni Mr. Bakay [27:40] na ito po ay mga kopya ng acknowledgement receipts na sinabmit po sa amin ng OVP. [27:46] Punta naman tayo sa P-1-8-1483. [27:52] Pangalan ng, please read for the record. [27:59] Acknowledgement receipt. [28:00] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of P150,000 for the purchase of information [28:08] received by Ralph Josh Bacon on June 20, 2023. [28:15] Bacon. Okay. [28:18] Okay. Alas 12 na. Gutom na tayo. [28:23] Yung susunod na pangalan. [28:25] Mukhang P-1-8-928. [28:32] Pakibasa for the record. [28:36] Acknowledgement receipt. [28:37] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of P50,000 for the purchase of information [28:44] received by Anong Pauko date March 20, 2023. [28:49] Okay. Next. [28:51] P-1-8-1015. [28:55] Pangalan ni Hart, Hart Santiago. [28:59] Pakibasa. [29:01] Bumili siya ng supplies. [29:02] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of P250,000 for the purchase or rental of supplies, [29:11] materials and equipment for confidential operations, [29:15] open and close parentheses, payment for the purchase of supplies received by Hart Santiago date Feb 27, 2023. [29:24] Kanina, Madam Witness, mayroong ang Paukot saka mayroong Hart. [29:29] Tinanong mo ba kung sino ito at kung related sila sa presiding officer natin? [29:37] Hindi po. [29:39] Hindi naman. [29:40] Bakit hindi? [29:41] Bakit hindi ka nag-verify ng mga pangalan? [29:45] May pagkain na bacon, may parang kamag-anak ni Hart. [29:50] Why did you not verify the names in this 1,049 acknowledgement receipts? [29:58] Sa ICFO po kasi ang ginagawa namin is compliance audit po. [30:02] Anong ibig sabihin nun? [30:04] I-chinicheck po namin kung compliant ba sa joint circular at kompleto at proper ba yung mga liquidation documents po na sinasubmit sa amin in relation po sa provisions ng joint circular. [30:17] Okay, sinabi mo kung proper ba. Ito bang payment of purchase of supplies? Proper ba yan sa paggamit ng confidential funds? [30:26] Yung payment for supplies po, kasama po siya dun sa enumeration kapag payment for supplies na ginamit po sa confidential operations. [30:35] At sinabi mo earlier, dapat yung mga sinasubmit may kasamang sales invoice at mga kasamang purchase documents. [30:42] Meron bang kasama? Dito sinubmit ni Ms. Hart? [30:50] Wala po. [30:51] Wala. [30:52] P-1-8-1807, Fiona Villegas. Pakibasa. [31:00] Acknowledgement receipt. This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of 500,000 for the purchase or rental of supplies, materials, and equipment for confidential operations. [31:11] Open and close parentheses, purchase of provision of medical and food aid. [31:15] Yeah. Nakalagay purchase of medical and food aid. [31:19] Ito ba? Isang ayon sa pinapayagan na paggamitan ng confidential funds. [31:26] Based po dito, nakalagay po na it's for the purchase of supplies na naka-open and close po provision of medical and food aid. [31:34] P-1-8-1466, kamag-anak ata ito ni Senator Bong Revilla. [31:44] Beth Revilla, 50,000. Purchase of information. [31:51] Ang purchase of information ba ay allowed? Allowable expense? [31:57] Yes po, under 4.8.1 po. Kasama po ang purchase of information. [32:02] Kung kasama, bakit mo dinisalaw itong purchase of information? [32:07] Hindi po ito kasama dun sa na-disalaw po. [32:11] Ito? [32:11] Hindi po. [32:12] Balik naman tayo sa P-1-8-1220. [32:19] Kamag-anak naman ito ni Senator Risa Ontiveros. [32:24] Clarice Ontiveros, please read the amount. [32:28] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of $500,000 for the purchase or rental of supplies, materials, and equipment for confidential operations, open and close parentheses, purchase of provision of medical and food aid. [32:44] At again, disallow dito? [32:46] Kasama po ito dun sa na-disallow po kasi humingi pa po, based on this acknowledgement receipt, we cannot assert, hindi ko po ma-assertain if this is for really nabigay for purchase of medical and food aid. [33:02] Kaya humingi pa po ako ng additional documents. [33:06] Nabigyan rin itong Jose Jocno Jr., kamag-anak ba ito ni Public Prosecutor, Madam Witness? Binerify mo ba? [33:22] Can you look at P-1-8-1482? [33:27] Nagbigay ng information itong Jocno, kapangalan Jose Jocno Jr., Baka anak ni Congressman. [33:42] Hindi mo tinanong kanina nung dumaan ka dyan? [33:45] Hindi po. [33:45] Ah, hindi. Okay. [33:47] Ito naman, P-1-8-994. [33:53] Kamag-anak naman ni Senator Lapid. [33:55] Diane Maple Lapid na tumanggap ng P-150,000 na bumili daw ng supplies. [34:05] Pakibasa for the record. [34:07] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of P-150,000 for the purchase or rental of supplies, materials, and equipment for confidential operations. [34:18] Sorry, go ahead. [34:20] Open and close parenthesis, payment for the purchase of supplies received by Diane Maple Lapid on Feb 17, 2023. [34:29] Bakit naman naka-disallowed itong expense na ito? [34:32] Gaya po yung sa provision and medical and food aid, based on this acknowledgement receipts po, hindi po ma-assertain kung this is really given for the purchase of supplies. [34:43] Kaya nanghipo ko ng additional documents po. [34:46] Meron na naman, not once, but for the second time, Lapid family, John A. Lapid Jr. [34:53] Tumanggap ng P-350,000. [34:57] Can you read for the record? [34:59] P-1-8-1735. [35:02] Acknowledgement receipt. [35:04] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of P-350,000 for the purchase or rental of supplies, materials, and equipment for confidential operations. [35:15] Open and close parenthesis, purchase of provision of medical and food aid. [35:21] Received by John A. Lapid Jr. [35:24] Date May 3, 2023. [35:26] Madam Witness, apart from these selected acknowledgement receipts, the total for the first quarter and the second quarter, the Office of the Vice President, are similar acknowledgement receipts for purchase of medical and food aid, pambili daw ng supplies, pambili ng iba-iba pa. [35:54] Ano ang masasabi mo sa mga expenses na ito? [35:58] Nung in-evaluate ko po, kasama po siya dun sa naging findings ko at hinihingan ko po ng additional documentation to ascertain po na these are paid na pinambili po ng supplies at medical and food aid. [36:14] Okay. Nung sinabi mo humingi ka ng additional information or documents, nagsubmit ba ang Office of the Vice President para patunayan talaga na itong medical, grocery, etc. tables, [36:29] eh talagang ginamit sa confidential funds. [36:35] Nakasama po ito dun sa notice of disallowance. [36:38] And yung notice of disallowance po is within the prescribed period pa po sila para mag-comply. [36:44] Nag-comply ba sila? [36:46] Wala pa po silang naging action after ma-receive nila ito. [36:50] So despite na binigyan ninyo ng opportunity para mag-submit ng additional documents para matutunayan nila or mag-explain man lang bakit nandyan ang mga pangalan na yan at bakit walang mga resibo na in-attach para pag-liquidate. [37:11] Nag-submit ba ang Office of the Vice President ng additional documents after this notice of disallowance? [37:20] Dahil nga po nabanggit ko na naging notice of disallowance po ito, ang remedy po nila is to appeal po sa commission proper. [37:31] And nandun pa po sila sa period to appeal po sa commission proper. [37:35] Ngayon, what other ano, meron pa bang ibang dokumento na sinabmit ang Office of the Vice President na sinama sa response nila? [37:47] May sinab, to support po the payment of rewards, nagsubmit po sila ng certification ni Colonel Raymond Dante Piliachica together with the Protective Intelligence Operations Report. [37:59] If shown to you, will you be able, kung pakita sa iyo itong document, exhibit P-1-12-G, isang certification dated April 4, 2024, stipulated document with the defense, Your Honor. [38:16] Please identify the same. Also being flashed on the screen. [38:21] Yes po, ito po yung certification na naka-attach sa response ng OBP. [38:26] A correction, Your Honor, it's not stipulated. What relation does this certification to the one you mentioned? [38:33] Ito po yung same certification na naka-attach po sa response ng OBP. [38:38] Ano naman ang significance? Bakit? Bakit? Anong significance nitong certification na sinabmit nila? [38:47] Ito po ay sinabmit nila to support po the payment of rewards. [38:51] Under po kasi sa Joint Circular, pag may payment of rewards, dapat po subject ito sa tatlong conditions. [38:57] And kasama po yun yung documents evidencing success of the information gathering and or surveillance activities. [39:06] Nung tinest, nagtestify, nung nagtestify dito si Atty. Niwamil, sinabi niya nung tinanong siya ng prosecution, [39:13] ito ba ay compliant? At ang sagot niya eh, ito ay pro forma. [39:21] Copy-paste ang sinabi ng prosecution. [39:24] Kinoconfirm mo ba yan na ito ay parang annex? [39:26] Ito po yung certification na ito, hindi po ito kasama dun sa annexes sa Joint Circular. [39:35] Ang sinasabi po niyang certification is yung certification ng Accountable Officer. [39:41] Yun po yung kasama sa annexes sa Joint Circular. [39:44] So ano nga ang significance nitong certificate, if you know? [39:49] Ito po yung sinabmit nila para po, as proof of success of the information gathering and surveillance activities po, [39:57] to support the payment of rewards. [40:00] Okay. [40:00] Together with this, meron rin sinabmit, earlier you mentioned, ang Office of the Vice President, [40:12] ng tinatawag na Protective Intelligence Operation Reports, o tinatawag P-I-O-R, [40:20] na inattach nila sa response. [40:22] If shown to you, Madam Witness, will you be able to identify this P-I-O-Rs? [40:29] Yes, po. [40:30] For the first and second quarters of the Office of the Vice President. [40:49] Yeah. [40:51] For the record, Your Honor, this Protective Intelligence Operations Reports, or P-I-O-Rs, [41:01] have been marked in exhibit, pre-marked, as P-1-12-H, up to P-1-12-H-9, [41:15] and exhibits P-1-12-M-1, up to P-12-M-13 for the prosecution. [41:27] Which, for the record, is 1-1-15-O-V-P-N series for the respondent. [41:35] Correct, Attorney Christine? [41:37] Yes, Your Honor. [41:39] Noted. [41:44] Please proceed, Council. [42:48] Thank you, Madam Witness. [42:49] We still have to. [42:50] As correctly noted by the presiding officer, Your Honor, [43:45] although this witness is taking time, [43:47] these are also pre-marked documents of the defense, Your Honor, [43:52] although they, again, refuse to stipulate on the same. [45:28] Permission to sit down, Your Honor? [45:29] Sure, Attorney Larna. [45:34] It's too hard. [45:37] While we are waiting, Chair would like to inform the senator, judges, and the parties [46:41] that we will be pausing for lunch break at 12, regardless of where we are, [46:46] since clearly we might not be able to finish with a direct before 12. [46:51] So, kung saan man tayo abutan, hanggan dun lang din po tayo, [46:56] and we'll continue after lunch. [46:58] Your Honor, we will be able to finish before lunchtime with the Office of the Vice President. [47:04] Yes. [47:05] But not with the witness, Council. [47:07] Not with the witness. [47:08] And after lunch, Your Honor, with the Depth. [47:10] Yes. [47:11] Because of the… [47:16] Attorney Christine, you can also sit down if you want to. [47:18] Thank you, Your Honor. [47:19] Attorney Larna, next time you can provide either a high chair for you so that you can sit while… [47:28] Your Honor, I think the Office of the Clerk misunderstood. [47:32] I asked for a high chair. [47:33] They gave me a high podium, Your Honor. [47:35] Which is making it… [47:36] The Clerk of Court is so directed. [47:39] I think it's more convenient to have a high chair. [47:41] Yes, Your Honor. [47:42] Thank you. [47:42] I'd rather call it a high chair, Attorney Kapunan, than a bar stool. [47:47] With due respect, Your Honor, I'm more familiar with bar stools. [47:50] I would know. [47:52] I would have thought, Council. [47:55] Yes, Ms. Ceylin. [47:57] Are you just about done, Ma'am? [48:00] Yes, po. [48:01] You're on. [48:01] Are you ready, Ms. Ceylin? [49:56] Yes, po. [49:57] Your Honor. [49:58] Thank you, Madam. [49:58] Attorney Larna, you may proceed. [50:00] With the permission of this Honorable Court. [50:02] Thank you, Madam Witness. [50:03] You have gone over PIERS or Protective Intelligence Operations Reports, which were attached to the Office of the Vice President's Response for the first and second quarter of 2023. [50:23] Madam Witness, sa tinignan mong reports na yan at na-evaluate mo na reports na yan, ano ang mga observation mo? [50:34] Doon po sa Protective Intelligence Operations Reports, ito po ay inattach nila kasama yung certification as documents evidencing success. [50:45] And based po sa aking evaluation ng mga PIORs, ang nakalagay po rito is ang date and locations ng mga engagement ng Vice Presidents kasama na din po yung mga satellite offices nila. [50:58] Nakalagay din po dito yung probable threats doon sa mga activities na ito, pati na rin po yung narratives ng timeline of events magmula sa planning stage, actual operation, and post operation. [51:13] Pero during the evaluation po ng documents na ito, hindi ko po nakita yung particular accomplishments po na magwa-warrant sa payment of rewards. [51:21] Bakit sinabi mo na napakahaba ng mga dokumentong ito? Bakit sinabi mo nung na-evaluate mo ay hindi mo nakita yung hinahanap mo o yung kailangan kasama nito sa mga dokumentong ito? [51:38] Bakit, Madam Witness? [51:39] Under po kasi sa Joint Circular, yun nga po, sa payment of rewards, it should be supported with documents evidencing success. [51:45] Pero based po sa mga documents na ito, ang nakalagay lang po doon sa certification is a general statement that there were no untoward incidents doon sa mga engagement ng Office of the Vice President together with the implementation ng programs. [52:01] Pero hindi po ito naging sapat. [52:04] Ano-ano itong mga programs na sinasabi nila na pinaggamitan ng confidential funds? [52:10] Wala ka bang nakita dito sa mga sinabmit na kadami-daming mga dokumento? [52:18] Anong specifics nitong activities allegedly na pinaggamitan? [52:23] May mga activities po sa mga meetings, mga attendance po sa mga festival, ganun po. [52:32] Tsaka yung mga engagement din po ng satellite offices. [52:36] Hindi ba qualified ito? Hindi ba allowed ito? [52:39] Yung mga nagmi-meeting, nagmi-meeting-meeting? [52:43] Paano mo malalaman? [52:46] How can you ascertain that these meetings are indeed to discuss confidential activities? [52:54] Kasi po ang nakalagay lang po doon is kung ano yung mga activity na inattendan doon po ng Vice President. [53:01] Kasama na rin po yung mga programs ng mga satellite offices niya, [53:06] pati po yung Libring Sakay program ng OBP. [53:10] Libring Sakay program? [53:12] Opo, kasama po doon sa PIORs. [53:14] Hindi ba ito confidential? [53:18] Yung libre na sakay na yan? [53:21] Hindi po. [53:22] Ano pa yung mga activities ng satellite offices na sinasabi mo na hindi naman tamang paggamit ng confidential funds? [53:30] Yung mga hindi po. [53:34] Pwede po mabalikan yung... [53:37] Assistant Council may approach. [54:00] Dito po sa isang satellite office po nila sa Bacolod, [54:05] ang nakalagay po rito na activity nila is provided rice box to Morsha fire victims. [54:13] Sandali, rice box to Morsha fire victims. [54:20] Baka confidential ang rice victims na yan, Madam Witness. [54:24] Tapos, Tupad Beneficiaries at BCNHS gym. [54:27] Can you speak to the mic please? [54:29] Tupad Beneficiaries at BCNHS gym. [54:34] Dole, Tupad Payout May 1, 2023. [54:38] 198 recipients. [54:40] Daily wage for 50, a total of 841 cash disbursed 10 days. [54:45] Mga Tupad Beneficiaries, linis na dyan kung magkano. [54:48] Ito po yung mga naging activity po dun sa Bacolod. [54:51] So rice giving, Tupad Activities, ano pa? [54:54] Medical mission po. [54:56] Medical mission. [54:57] Release of rice boxes to beneficiaries in Sebastian Vique. [55:07] Visited MAIPP hospitals and provided GLs at billing accounting offices to get a copy of SOA. [55:15] With the indulgence of counsel, Ms. Eileen, these are the activities na sinasabi nilang kinover ng intelligence operations. [55:26] Ito po yung inattach nila as proof of success of the information gathering. [55:31] Ng activities nga. [55:32] Opo. [55:33] Not that ginamit yung confidential fund sa pagbigay ng bigas. [55:36] Not that ginamit yung confidential fund sa pagbigay ng Tupad. [55:39] Not that ginamit yung confidential fund sa MAIPP. [55:43] Opo. Bale po, ito yung naging activities ng vice president po. [55:47] Pero hindi po yung confidential fund yung ginamit dito. [55:50] Na naging ligtas siya, ika nga. [55:52] Opo. Parang conducted surveillance activities po sa mga programang ito. [55:57] Okay. You may proceed, counsel. [55:59] Again, para sa record. [56:01] Itong mga activities daw, yung mga rice giving, yung mga tupad na yan, [56:07] dun siya nag-conduct ng surveillance activities. [56:10] Yun ba ang sinasabi mo, Madam Witness? [56:12] Ang nakalagay po kasi dun sa certification, [56:15] nag-conduct siya ng confidential activity, surveillance activities, [56:20] before, parang ang pagkakaintindi ko po dito is yung [56:23] nag-conduct sila ng surveillance activities [56:25] before the engagement of the vice president po. [56:29] At sinabi mo na kasama to sa notice of this allowance? [56:35] Opo. [56:35] Kasi hindi napapakita ng mga dokumentong ito kasama yung certification na [56:40] there was success in the information gathering and surveillance activities. [56:45] Kasi yung statement lang po is there were no untoward incidents. [56:48] Hinahanap ko po kung ano yung... [56:50] Pag sinabing, Madam Witness, pag sinabing there were no untoward incidents, [56:56] hindi ba evidence of success yun, walang yung mga komunista, yung mga terorista, [57:04] imbis na nag-away-away, tumanggap na lang ng rice pack, tumanggap na lang ng tupad. [57:11] Hindi ba success yun? [57:12] Hindi sila nag-away-away? [57:13] Ang hinahanap ko po kasi dito, sample po dun sa isang activity is, [57:18] nakalagay probable threat, CTG, parang gano'n, NFNPA po. [57:24] Ang hinahanap po kasi is payment of rewards. [57:28] Meron bang dun sa probable threat na yun, may nahuli ba? [57:31] Parang gano'n po. [57:32] Yun ang magwa-warrant ng payment of rewards po. [57:35] At wala kang gano'n? [57:37] Yun po ang hindi nakita sa evaluation mo, Madam Witness. [57:40] Opo. [57:41] Going now to the third quarter of 2023, covering the period July 14 to September 30, 2023. [57:54] Anong participation mo, if any, Madam Witness, [57:58] dito sa pag-audit ng liquidation documents na sinubmit ng Office of the Vice President? [58:06] Ako po ang nag-evaluate ng response nila sa audit observation for the third quarter po ng 2023. [58:15] At Madam Witness, ano ang nangyari, if any? [58:20] Nung ma-issue po yung audit observation memorandum noong August 8, 2024, [58:26] nagsubmit po ang OVP ng response nila noong August 27, 2024. [58:31] If shown to you, if shown to you, the AOM, yung audit observation memorandum, this is a stipulated document siya no na? [58:41] Stipulated with the former witness attorney, Wamil, with you, oh, with you. [58:48] What is the relation of this AOM dated August 8, 2024? [58:57] Council for the Assisting Councils may approach. [59:00] P-1-12-I for the prosecution and stipulated upon in the last hearing with Defense Council. [59:14] As respondents exhibit 1-106 OVP. [59:17] Correct, Your Honor. [59:21] This is the same copy po of the AOM na na-issue namin sa OVP. [59:26] Now, showing to you and it's being flashed on the screen as it's being shown to you. [59:31] Sa last page, pakitingin sa last page, merong signature dyan over the name Nilda Plaras. [59:43] Whose signature is this? [59:44] Si Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras po ang officer in charge ng ICPOW nung ma-issue po ang dokumento na ito. [59:51] Anong ibig sabihin na pumirma ang isang Nilda Plaras na Commissioner Associate, Assistant Commissioner ng COA-ICPOW? [1:00:02] Ito po ay na-review at na-approve niya and is ready for release na po. [1:00:07] Ano mga, ano, ano, if at all, ang mga findings or issues na re-nace mo, na in-approve naman ng Assistant Commissioner, [1:00:22] ano-ano yung mga issues na nakalagay dyan sa AOM or Audit Observation Memorandum, Madam Witness? [1:00:30] Ang mga issues po dito sa Audit Observation Memorandum na ito is first, the submitted liquidation documents po, [1:00:39] wala pong naka-attach na documentary evidence of payments. [1:00:43] Your Honor, we request permission to flash this on the screen. [1:00:47] Council, me do some. [1:00:48] Yung pangalawa naman po, yung payment of rewards na nagkakahalaga ng 35 million were not supported with documents evidencing success. [1:00:57] Pangatlo po, yung physical and financial plan, hindi po nakaspecify yung specific confidential activities. [1:01:05] At yung pang-apat po, yung box E ng disbursement voucher kung saan makikita yung receipt of payment ng SDO ng cash advance ay hindi po napirmahan. [1:01:16] Bakit itong apat na findings na pinakita natin ngayon, bakit eh hindi compliant ito at linigay ninyo sa notice sa AOM? [1:01:27] Yung sa una po, under the Joint Circular po, dapat po, ang disbursement for confidential fund should be supported with documents evidencing payments po. [1:01:38] At? [1:01:39] Hindi po ito naisubmit sa amin, kaya po hiningin namin sa AOM. [1:01:43] Yung pangalawang finding na sinabi mo? [1:01:46] Yung pangalawa naman po, yung payment of rewards under the Joint Circular, under item 4.8.5.b, [1:01:54] it should be supported with documents evidencing success. [1:01:57] Pero dun sa initial submission po nila, walang naka-attach na documents evidencing success to support the payment of rewards. [1:02:05] At yung pangatlong finding, bakit nasa AOM ninyo ito? [1:02:10] Kasi po yung sa physical and financial plan po nila, hindi nakaspecify kung ano yung confidential activities na paggagamitan na magiging basis po ng disbursement ng confidential fund. [1:02:20] At Madam Witness, lastly, yung findings mo, yung pang-apat, bakit sinasabi nyo na bakit sinama ito sa Audit Observation Memorandum? [1:02:32] Yung box ipo kasi ng disbursement voucher kung saan pumipirma yung SDO pag nareceive na niya yung cheque is wala pong pirma yung Special Disbursing Officer. [1:02:42] After you issued this AOM, anong ginawa, if any, ng Office of the Vice President? [1:02:49] After po nilang mag-after nilang ma-receive itong Audit Observation Memorandum, nagsubmit po sila ng response noong August 27, 2024. [1:03:01] And if shown to you, pag pinakita sa iyo itong response dated August 27, 2024, would you be able to identify the same? [1:03:11] Yes po. [1:03:12] Your Honor, please, witness, is looking at Exhibit P-1-12-J. [1:03:22] Again, despite this being the response of the Vice President herself, Council for Defense did not stipulate on this document. [1:03:31] But they marked it as Exhibit 1-116 OVPN Series. Correct, Counsel? [1:03:37] Correct, Your Honor. [1:03:38] Proceed, Counsel. [1:03:39] Who signed this response, if you know? [1:03:43] Si Atty. Soleika T. Lopez at si Mr. Limuel G. Ortonio po. [1:03:48] Again, Madam Witness, you are familiar with the signatures for the same reason you stated? [1:03:54] Yes po. Kasama po ito dun sa specimen signatures na naka-attach po sa liquidation documents. [1:04:00] Dito sa response ng Office of the Vice President, meron bang mga dokumento na sinama dito sa response na ito? [1:04:09] Yes po. [1:04:10] Ano-ano itong mga documents? [1:04:12] Nagsubmit po sila ng acknowledgement receipts as documents evidencing payments. [1:04:18] Tapos, to support po the payment of rewards, nagsubmit sila ng certification ni Colonel Raymond Dante Pilachica together with the Protective Intelligence Operations Report. [1:04:28] At yung panghuli pong attachment ay yung warrant register. [1:04:32] Okay. [1:04:34] By agreement and upon direction of the presiding officer, we will be marking instead the tabulation of these acknowledgement receipts for the period July 14th to September 30th, 2023, [1:04:47] representing the third quarter liquidation, alleged liquidation expenses of the Office of the Vice President. [1:04:57] Without, of course, without prejudice to the right to our opportunity to present them at the appropriate time separately to the appropriate witnesses in the future. [1:05:11] Madam Witness, if you are shown a acknowledgement receipts, would you be able to identify them? [1:05:25] Yes po. [1:05:26] We will not show them now, but did you prepare, if at all, a tabulation or summary of these acknowledgement receipts for the third quarter? [1:05:36] Yes po. Meron po akong tabulation. [1:05:38] Would you please show them to us? [1:05:47] We have copies, Your Honor, of these tabulations or summaries. [1:05:52] And for the record, we are giving the Honorable Presiding Officer and Council for the Respondent copy of the summaries. [1:06:04] Madam Witness, these summaries that you prepared tell us the process involved. [1:06:11] Ano-anong ginawa mo? Paano ka nakarating sa mga tabulation or summary na yan? [1:06:18] Nung ma-receive ko po yung documents na sinabit kasama po ng response, in-encode ko po yung mga acknowledgement receipts na naglalaman po ng disbursement nila by date, activity, and the amount po. [1:06:34] And we have selected a few of these acknowledgement receipts. [1:06:45] If shown to you, please identify the same. [1:06:49] P-1 being flashed on the screen. [1:06:55] Pakibasa nga ng mga pangalan dito. [1:07:04] Acknowledgement receipt. [1:07:06] This is to acknowledge receipt of the amount of P130,000 for the purchase of information received by name Beverly Clare Pampano, date September 9, 2023. [1:07:18] This is P-1-8-2051 in the name of Pampano. [1:07:28] P-1-8-2107, queso naman ito, queso. [1:07:34] Please read. [1:07:38] Cheese. [1:07:40] In English, cheese. [1:07:43] Matthew N. Queso, 7-15-23. [1:07:48] Magkano ito, Madam Witness? [1:07:49] P-250,000 po at nareceived ni Matthew N. Queso noong July 15, 2023. [1:07:57] Ginamit for payment of supplies. [1:08:01] Susunod, Nova Santos. [1:08:03] P-50,000 pesos. [1:08:05] P-1-8-2147. [1:08:09] Payment for the purchase of supplies. [1:08:13] At another one, P-1-8-2195 sa isang sala kasim, 8-11-2023 for 180,000 pesos. [1:08:26] Itong payment of supplies na pinakita natin. [1:08:31] Ito ba ay allowable expense ng confidential funds? [1:08:36] Yes po, under 4.8.4 of the joint circular po. [1:08:40] Purchase of supplies, is this compliant with the joint circular? [1:08:48] Yun po, yung sa purchase of supplies, based on the acknowledgement receipt po na ito, [1:08:54] hindi ko ma-assertain na talagang pinambili siya ng supplies, [1:08:57] kaya humingi po ako ng additional documentation. [1:09:00] So, sa linagay sa acknowledgement receipt, purchase of supplies, [1:09:04] eh hindi naman in-explain saan binili yung supply. [1:09:09] Wala po, ito lang pong acknowledgement receipt ang sinabi. [1:09:11] Saan dinamit yung supply? [1:09:13] Wala din. [1:09:14] Nakalagay lang po dito na for confidential operations. [1:09:17] Okay, lahat ng sinabi no? [1:09:20] At yung mga sinasabi ditong payment of supplies pa, [1:09:24] kagaya nitong, okay, [1:09:28] P-1-8-1933 Renan Piatos, [1:09:33] purchase of information naman ito. [1:09:35] P-1-8-2258 Ke Xiaomi, Xiaomi 8, [1:09:48] 100,000 Pesas, purchase of supplies. [1:09:52] Another one, P-1-18-2092, flash on the screen, [1:09:58] sa isang J Kamote, [1:10:02] 200,000 payment of purchase of supplies, [1:10:06] 8-11-2023. [1:10:08] At itong mangga, gumawa ato ng fruit salad dito. [1:10:14] May kamote, may mangga, may keso. [1:10:17] P-1-8-2262, [1:10:20] Miggy Mango, [1:10:21] for P-50,000 Pesos. [1:10:27] Ano ang masasabi mo dito, Madam Witness? [1:10:30] Yung mga acknowledgement receipts po na [1:10:32] purchase of supplies and [1:10:34] purchase of supplies, [1:10:37] hiningan ko po ng additional documentation [1:10:39] to ascertain po na [1:10:40] ipinambili po talaga ito ng supplies. [1:10:43] We will finish this list. [1:10:46] Kokoy Villamin, [1:10:48] Kokoy Villamin, [1:10:49] P-1-18-2064, [1:10:52] P-50,000 Pesos. [1:10:55] Bumili daw siya ng information. [1:10:57] Last three, last four in this list. [1:10:59] P-1-8-26-35, [1:11:03] for Contis. [1:11:07] Connor, Adrian, [1:11:08] 9-20-2023, [1:11:10] for P-50,000 [1:11:13] reward payment. [1:11:15] P-18-2178, [1:11:19] Honeylet, [1:11:20] Camille C, [1:11:22] 8-3-2023, [1:11:24] P-350,000 Pesos. [1:11:27] P-1-18-2665, [1:11:31] Christine Applegate Estrada, [1:11:36] P-50,000 Pesos [1:11:37] for reward payment. [1:11:39] And last, but not the least, [1:11:42] P-1-18-2010, [1:11:45] isang Denise, [1:11:46] Tanya Escudero. [1:11:49] August 25, [1:11:52] 2023. [1:11:54] Bumili ng information, [1:11:57] itong Escudero, [1:11:58] for P-120,000, [1:12:00] Madam Witness. [1:12:02] May hard time, [1:12:03] may keso. [1:12:03] May keso, [1:12:05] may Escudero, [1:12:06] may Honeylet, [1:12:08] may Estrada. [1:12:09] Anong observation mo dito [1:12:11] sa mga selected ARs [1:12:13] na pinakita sa'yo? [1:12:15] Yung sa mga payment of rewards po, [1:12:18] hindi po siya supported [1:12:19] ng documents evidencing success. [1:12:21] And yun sa purchase of supplies po, [1:12:24] hiningan ko po [1:12:24] ng additional documentation [1:12:26] to ascertain na [1:12:27] binayad po talaga ito [1:12:29] para sa supplies [1:12:30] na ginamit [1:12:30] sa confidential operations. [1:12:32] Your Honor, please, [1:12:35] we just have [1:12:37] three certifications [1:12:38] for the Office [1:12:39] of the Vice President, [1:12:40] and then we will go [1:12:41] to the DepEd, [1:12:42] but it's now 12 o'clock, [1:12:45] and all with the names [1:12:46] Apple, [1:12:47] Queso, [1:12:48] Mangga, [1:12:48] and et cetera, [1:12:49] I think it is time [1:12:50] for us to have lunch, [1:12:51] Yerona. [1:12:52] With the permission [1:12:55] of this Honorable Court, [1:12:56] request for continuation. [1:12:58] If you think [1:12:58] it is a good time [1:12:59] to pause [1:13:00] so that your direct examination [1:13:02] may not be cut [1:13:05] at an inappropriate time, [1:13:07] Chair will accede to that. [1:13:11] May we ask [1:13:12] that the witness [1:13:12] be temporarily excused, [1:13:14] General? [1:13:14] The witness is excused [1:13:16] for lunch. [1:13:17] Kain ka muna, [1:13:18] Ma'am Ceylin. [1:13:19] We resume at 12.30. [1:13:22] Chair declares [1:13:23] a lunch recess. [1:20:45] Turn over [1:20:46] to the COA-IQFAO office. [1:20:47] Would you be able [1:20:48] magpagpinakita sa'yo [1:20:50] certain [1:20:51] acknowledgement receipts [1:20:52] na parte [1:20:53] na nasa part [1:20:55] ng tabulation [1:20:56] or summary mo, [1:20:57] would you be able [1:20:57] to identify the same? [1:20:59] Yes, po. [1:21:00] Okay, I'll show you now. [1:21:02] And with the kind permission [1:21:03] of this Honorable Court, [1:21:05] we have chosen [1:21:06] certain acknowledgement receipts [1:21:08] to be flashed [1:21:10] on the screen, [1:21:11] Your Honor, [1:21:11] and being shown [1:21:12] to the witness. [1:21:15] Mark the exhibit [1:21:16] P-1-8-14-18 [1:21:19] is a certain [1:21:20] P-A-P-A-T-O-S-LIM. [1:21:31] Could you read [1:21:32] the date, [1:21:32] Madam Witness? [1:21:33] Dito, po, [1:21:35] yes. [1:21:36] May 17, [1:21:38] please speak louder. [1:21:39] Speak to the mic. [1:21:40] May 17, [1:21:41] 2023, [1:21:42] nareceived po [1:21:43] ni Pia Piatos-LIM. [1:21:46] Para saan ito, [1:21:48] allegedly? [1:21:49] For the purchase [1:21:50] of information po. [1:21:52] Okay. [1:21:53] And may signature [1:21:54] dyan sa ilalim. [1:21:56] Whose signature [1:21:57] is this [1:21:58] at the bottom? [1:22:00] Ito po is [1:22:00] signature po [1:22:01] ng admin staff [1:22:02] namin sa IQFAO. [1:22:03] Who is your [1:22:05] admin staff [1:22:05] in IQFAO? [1:22:07] Si Mr. [1:22:08] David E. [1:22:08] Bakay po. [1:22:10] David Bakay. [1:22:12] David E. [1:22:13] Bakay. [1:22:13] And that is [1:22:14] his signature [1:22:15] administrative. [1:22:16] Ano ang significance [1:22:17] nitong [1:22:18] sinign [1:22:19] ng [1:22:20] naman. [1:22:20] No. [1:22:20] Ito po [1:22:21] is [1:22:21] is [1:22:22] is [1:22:22] is [1:22:22] is [1:22:23] is [1:22:25] is [1:22:26] is [1:22:30] is [1:22:31] is [1:22:32] is [1:22:36] is