Pro Se Defendant Takes His Felony Case to Trial! — Opening Statements — Part 1

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: good evening good morning wherever you are i'm glad you hanging out tonight thanks for coming to hanging out with me all right so uh i'm gonna get right into it well hello to everyone hello to everyone in the chat all right so this is what we have and this is gonna be a multi-day series okay so we have a pro se defendant who wants to represent himself with serious charges but he's gonna blame the victim and all of that stuff so we started from ground zero and we're gonna go all the way up until he gets sentenced all right so i have to split these up because you know hearings are pretty long and we're not gonna be on here three hours a night okay it's a little too long but i'll split it up in good places where we can stop and continue the next day or however we do it all right so i think we're gonna have a good time and as usual let's go [00:01:07] Speaker 2: all right with that we will begin opening statements um prosecution ready to make their opening statement yes your honor thank you mr daly this is adam quinlan [00:01:20] Speaker 3: this is a call that took place on september 4th of 2023 labor day this is the product of the defendant christopher donison autumn quinlan went to the greeley police department on september 4th of 2023 for reports in earlier assaults took place in july i'm going to talk about those separately in a moment but when she returned to her residence in the afternoon of september 4th 2023 these were the consequences of her actions by trying to report an earlier assault it may be difficult to read but two different assaults on two different days the first assault july 24th 2023 autumn quinlan the same woman in the photo that i just showed you strangled by the defendant by a sock from behind this was not reported until september 4th of 2023 i meant to tell you this is opening statements i [00:02:33] Speaker 1: i skipped all the instructions right now they're looking at a tv as if they're looking at us in the same direction just looking at a few of the items that he's going over and then you'll get the witnesses and testimony and all that stuff and pro se defendant will show off a little bit [00:02:49] Speaker 3: a second assault again that same date september 4th 2023 after reporting this strangulation from july to officer juan mateo the defendant proceeded to assault autumn again at the residence i mentioned ferrica residence address where the event punches her causing an orbital bone fracture and then proceeds to beat on miss quinlan with a massage gun again two separate assaults on two different days this is miss quinlan on september 4th 2023 it's a little bit harder to see given your distance but this is about 12 21 pm on that date when she's at the greeley police department meeting with officer juan mateo yes she does not have any of those same injuries in which you saw in that first photo she's at the greeley police department she was with two of her children but not her third not her daughter again no injuries yet she was stressed and emotional again she was there to report the july 24th strangulation she had a phone which was broken but that she wanted to provide to law enforcement because they had photos specifically this photo this is a photo that miss quinlan took again from your distance may be difficult to see but there are marks around her neck this is from being strangled from behind using a sock not only was there enough pressure placed upon her to leave a mark but it was also enough for her to lose consciousness to black out to urinate upon herself signs of strangulation in fact you're going to hear from ali lackey later in this trial she's a nurse she's going to talk about those signs of strangulation she's going to discuss her observations in this particular case this 1600 fairacre road in greeley donison the donson home place where autumn should have been safe and secure from the dangers of this world yet in reality was the location and setting of the beatings and the strangulation at the hands christopher donison ultimately while she's speaking with officer juan mateo on september 4th she indicates she's not going to be returning to the home but ultimately she does decide to go back home again she did not have her daughter with her she only had two of her children now these are photos within the home not necessarily the photos or the arrangement of furniture within the home of that day but these are photos from that residence again these are the locations in which or this is the location in which the defendant sucker punches autumn quinlan while she's at home holding her daughter he begins slamming autumn against the walls and then winds up all the way back punches her in the eye causing an oral bone fracture that she could feel she could feel a crack the defendant then produces a knife and threatens to kill autumn and then there's a pause there's a calm in this chaos but then that's when autumn's phone lights up it's a survey text from the greeley police department talking about essentially asking her how was our service to you well the defendant sees that and prevent and proceeds to beat on her [00:07:04] Speaker 4: with a massage gun we'll go into that a little bit later [00:07:13] Speaker 3: later on law enforcement after meeting with autumn earlier that day is at the dawson home speaking with the defendant on september 4th it's about 4 0 7 pm in this particular photo that's important because that's after they met with miss quinlan at the police department as you notice as you can tell no injuries no visible marks on the defendant while they're speaking with him and we'll go into more of this a little bit later but while law enforcement is speaking with the defendant miss quinlan is in the basement of their residence law enforcement has no idea and the defendant is out there calm he doesn't know where she is she left we got into an argument he doesn't say oh yeah she's in the basement i just beat her for the last however long since she got back none of that she left you know domestic violence is something that you know happens behind closed doors however on september 4th this occurred from somebody else chase arroyo he was present in the home and he's going to testify you'll hear him testify about his observations of that particular day tom packard he's someone else you're going to hear from not in any way related to the individuals here except he sees a woman run up to him covered in injuries the same injuries you observed in that first photo [00:09:00] Speaker 4: he calls 911 at about 407 pm or sorry 413 pm [00:09:10] Speaker 3: he just lives like a block and a half way not very far away from the donelson residence we'll talk about the distance between them a little bit later in trial but ultimately not very far away six minutes [00:09:23] Speaker 4: after law enforcement's right there and again law enforcement has no idea that she's in that basement that she's in that residence [00:09:39] Speaker 3: the defendant like oh she's not here he's calm he answers the questions he's chatting with him [00:09:49] Speaker 4: she's not there again these are the injuries that miss quinnlin suffered at the hands of the defendant [00:10:09] Speaker 3: is after she's met with law enforcement because they go to her just you know blocking halfway to meet with her she's taken to the hospital she explains what had happened she says yeah i saw you guys in there [00:10:23] Speaker 4: i didn't know what to do so i ran here's some documents from ali lackey again the nurse to examine [00:10:39] Speaker 3: miss quinnlin at the hospital eight separate and distinct injuries on autumn's face head neck including you know as you can tell i'm just going to go back one just briefly these were not the same injuries this is not the same face that officer juan mateo saw approximately four and a half hours earlier [00:11:08] Speaker 4: it was not just miss quinnlin's face 23 documented injuries on miss quinnlin's body [00:11:22] Speaker 3: in fact that on the second side over there on the right hand side ran out a room on the page to document all the different injuries suffered that were observed [00:11:34] Speaker 4: again ali lackey we'll go into more detail in her testimony two different assaults two different days [00:11:47] Speaker 3: july 24 2023 strangulation she does not report right away on september 4th she does she finally goes in and reports that earlier assault [00:12:04] Speaker 4: and what is her reward these injuries the beating she endured by the defendant she was first strangled and then beaten ultimately you're going to hear from miss quinnlin [00:12:34] Speaker 3: she's going to detail what she endured on that july 24th date as well as on the september 4th date talk about why she went to law enforcement about what she endured what she suffered through where this occurred and who did it to her the defendant [00:12:54] Speaker 4: he strangled her he broke her orbital bone threatened her with a knife [00:12:58] Speaker 3: he assaulted her he threatened her during which she's holding her child in her arms child abuse [00:13:13] Speaker 1: i know he's a little bit boring but i think he's almost done until we get to him but we got to go through the whole thing if i skip it you'd be like well hey i want to hear the free part [00:13:26] Speaker 3: at the conclusion of this trial after you've heard all the evidence there will be only one possible outcome is that the defendant is guilty of all the charges thank you [00:13:41] Speaker 2: thank you mr daly mr donison did you wish to make your opening statement at this time yes your honor [00:13:50] Speaker 4: yes thank you well that's a tough one to follow [00:14:09] Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen of the jury um mr daly speaks very matter-of-factly um and that's a very tough one to follow i mean it's very hard to look at um and as you can tell i'm no attorney um so please bear with me um i'm not attempting to appear smarter than anyone because i'm not i simply ask you to listen to the facts of this case and not judge any books by their covers um nor follow any any false narratives the prosecution shall try to paint with any lies or non-existent as evidence um i ask you not to follow any uh modified modified or edited or stories or statements that have been changed several times that you're going to hear this team of district attorneys make every excuse for why autumn quinlan lies or changes her stories objection your honor why the ability is for a jury to determine and your honor the evidence is going to prove all of this i'm i was told to [00:15:13] Speaker 2: stick to the evidence right so the court will remind the members of the jury that opening statements are not evidence and the and the change in the statement sorry is to make their own determinations with [00:15:28] Speaker 5: regard to credibility and you may continue and okay thank you because the statements have changed over and over and over um your honor and they're going to i didn't interrupt them once and they're just [00:15:39] Speaker 2: going to keep interrupting me so mr donison if there's an objection they can make the objection and the court will rule on it but you're what you're welcome today no i was i know i was able to [00:15:47] Speaker 5: interrupt because i i didn't know i was able to mr donison you can continue with your opening statement okay because they're going to keep doing this um all right um your honor um okay um the stories okay more stories and statements that have changed several times and you're going to hear from this team of district attorneys make every excuse for why autumn quinlan lies and changes their stories and probably even why she has gotten away with such crimes as assaulting me and why my at-risk elderly grandfather unprovoked and there are no repercussions for her miss quinlan's own words will show you who who she is besides everyone else's testimonies to that fat effect she see the prosecution wants you to believe that what took place on 942-2023 was some kind of payback or a teaching of a lesson to her for her going to the police and they also want you to believe based on miss quinlan's statements later that day that she told me she wanted to divorce and that is what caused the altercation which you will be showing video evidence from earlier that day proving the truth that it was me ending the relationship against autumn quinlan's wishes you will see how miss quinlan's literally begs and becomes aggressive and suicidal threatening and mentally unstable in one video and then in another video totally becomes aggressive while threatening to go to the police and i tell her to go ahead and go but she should not drive because she just downed a whole bottle of pills which shall which shall contradict and disprove the prosecution's theory for motive behind the incident which later took place this was the frame of my this was the frame of mind miss quinlan went to the police at the department to falsely report an alleged crime strangulation which took place which which she says took place six weeks prior and which she admits to police she was only reporting because i was leaving her i will but i will get back to that alleged strangulation later but keep in mind while at the police station miss quinlan gave her first of approximately five different versions of the strangulation story which which would get added to over and over months later and which would get added to over and over in the months to come well while at the police department you will see on the officer's body camera footage miss quinlan's dramatics pay close attention to every bit of her wonderful control of emotion and keep in mind that this is in the in the one this is the one insane woman who just in a short while earlier was begging and pleading the man she is accusing of being a monster and trying to have arrested not to leave her you will see in those videos too you will see written statements miss you will see in you will see written statements miss miss quinlan wrote herself while in the safety and protection of the district attorney while i was already in custody but then later she claims she did so out of fear but only after realizing things were not going her way which has been autumn's quinlan's routine her entire life you will you will hear audio confessions of miss quinlan admitting to the da that she struck me which match up to her other statements of aggression and actions before and after this incident but again she and the prosecution will try to pull blinders over your eyes expecting you all to be ignorant and not to see through it they want you to believe that everything is black and white and this is just the situation of some bad guy beating on his wife they do not want you to know she was poking the bear daily hitting him and kicking him and depriving him of sleep after long hours working in the oil fields which you will hear evidence of in in the videos this is a case of toxic relationship but one of one of us tried to end it for the betterment of both and for the sake of the children the evidence the evidence will prove that on the date of 9 4 23 testimony will prove the police and even autumn's friend told her to not return home but she was upset she was angry autumn was overly distraught about the relationship in ending and over and also over being told by the police that they were not planning on arresting me and so first she asked her friend to have her husband go go with her to beat me up and when her friend refused she said she would go start a fight with me herself to make sure i went to jail or got in trouble she come home to assault me and she did and she stated in her at as she stated at her in her statement she backhanded me in the mouth but with a fist and followed through with pulling me to the ground by my hair onto a pile of sharp plastic and wood toys she had on shorts and that's where the bruises on her legs came from us falling onto and fighting on on top of those she then she then used her used her other free hand to violently grab onto my penis and testicles with her nails embedded as evidence she as evidence shall also be presented to prove she has a history of doing as doing on as doing so on other as doing so in other altercations she has she has admitted to grabbing onto my testicles and penis went into other on other altergations she admitted so at that time i told miss quinlan quinlan no less than four times to let go before i started punching her in the face as hard as i could until she let go of my genitalia chase arroyo only came out of out for the last part of this fight he saw nothing else when we were on the ground but when we were on the ground autumn quinlan's statements which we shall present which state she handed him the baby and left we are left are all true chase left because he was on bad terms chase left when he saw us come downstairs because we were on bad terms you will also hear evidence of what autumn really thought of chase arroyo and who he really is and i believe you should call his credibility into question there was no knife and no weapons none were ever found or looked for even though as evidence and testimony will prove the police were given permission to enter the house to search but declined to do so i have never been accused of disposing of nor of leaving with anything after the incident and no one not autumn quinlan nor chase arroyo ever turned in a single item they claimed was a weapon nor offered proof of their existence in fact they both had conflicting stories one said i had a knife the other said he never saw a knife and never heard mention of a knife and never knew me to ever carry a knife then there was the massage gun one said i just hit her legs and body but one but chase said i hit her face and head which she never claimed their stories do not match the fact is the prosecution will not be able to present you with any evidence of these so-called weapons not even receipts of them ever being purchased because they tried and they never found anything all you will see are stock images of photos of a random message a massage gun and a pocket knife from the internet they found that they hope will fool you into believing are the weapons that no one over ever looked for or found the evidence will show you it will show the discrepancies in this cage which which should raise more than respond reasonable doubt before ruining someone's life miss quinlan claims she was holding daughter during what she describes as a very vicious beating and claims that i hit her hit my daughter but none of the evidence is consistent with that ask ask to see the bruises they claim are on my daughter and see if these are any any consistent with such an attack or if the one or if one tiny bruise on her leg is more consistent with a one and a half year old toddler bumbling around plus i was charged the non-injury child abuse which is consistent with the statement miss quinlan gave about holding my daughter or handing my daughter to chase arroyo not me abusing my daughter as the evidence shall prove as miss quinlan's own statements audio and written shall support as for the charge of the strangulation the incident that never took place as stated earlier miss quinlan has changed her story approximately five times in one version chase was there until it was proven he did not live with us yet in another version told to officer juan mateo there was a knife that never got brought up again later in yet another version we were going to make the news and in another version she wakes confused not knowing why i stopped and in a final version she told approximately five months later she urinated herself after after she was rescued by my 80 year old grandfather who she claims has alzheimer's put me in a headlock also please keep in mind that she also claims that she was strangled for and i quote 46 seconds which is an astronomical amount of time considering the prosecution's expert testified in the last trial that after 10 seconds a person loses consciousness at about and at about 15 seconds bodily function so for about for how for so far for miss quinlan could have received from about 40 second strangulation for anything near that is a miracle and the fact is if it did not act and it did not happen and for and there is not evidence to support that it did you will see and hear statements from autumn quinlan herself telling that she assaulted me that day and and but as with everything else she would downplay it and make excuse for it or we can't or recant it but as miss as miss quinlan tells it us in her own words she has been abusing me and others in my family for years and lying about it and getting away with it watch the videos and listen closely and why and listen closely watch miss quinlan's face during interviews and listen listen to her and listen to her closely evidence will prove that the photos miss clinton which miss quinlan provided as her supposed proof of this alleged strangulation were found to be modified and edited and were not originals this was proven by the specialist who extracted the photos from miss quinlan's phone who also found that these photos which miss quinlan claimed were evidence did not bear time or date stamps to indicate when they were taken and all through this case miss quinlan reminded this prosecution team that she struggles with not only controlling her anger but mental health issues and yet seems to be the one controlling the case we even had these three we we we even had three beautiful children and as evidence and testimony will show she had two years to get them back but was too dangerous to get them back and that was deemed by the state lastly i'm going to object to this your honor this is not relevant all this evidence will be supported your honor i'm i'm going to sustain the [00:26:31] Speaker 2: objection let's stick with the facts of this case mr donison i'm going to be supporting this with the evidence mr donison i made my ruling let's move forward okay okay well um [00:26:46] Speaker 5: uh i'll stop there oh i guess the last part will be that um that the rest of the evidence will support that um that on the night that i was arrested um um autumn quillen was with me and that was um she was with me every day after up to two and a half months after my arrest and this that was up to two months after uh the after nine four of 2019 or after 2023 she was with me two months after the date of the offense and she continued to be with me and that was after she continued to contact me so i just [00:27:23] Speaker 1: wanted to make the record of that he did a lot of testifying and a lot of telling on himself and as somebody said in the in the chat he can get arrested right now of all the stuff he said [00:27:38] Speaker 5: you continue contacting me being with me [00:27:42] Speaker 2: all right thank you mr donison are the people ready to call their first witness [00:27:46] Speaker 3: yes your honor people would call officer juan mateo [00:27:58] Speaker 1: good afternoon is it officer oh hold on before she started testifying welcome wolfpack i see y'all coming in welcome just squeeze on in and check out this trial we have going on i'm sure they will brief you in the chat but thanks for your support and hanging out yes okay officer i'm going to [00:28:17] Speaker 2: swear you in if you wouldn't mind raising your right hand for me do you swear in a firm under penalty of law that the information you provide to the court will be the truth and nothing but please be seated officer when you're seated and comfortable please state your full name for the court's record and then spell your last name for me [00:28:37] Speaker 6: my name is maria juan mateo last juan hyphen mateo thank you officer thank you officer uh mr daly may [00:28:47] Speaker 3: inquire thank you good afternoon good afternoon you can adjust that microphone to wherever is most comfortable for you are you currently employed yes where are you employed the greely police department how long have you been employed with the greely police department as a sworn officer a little over three years you mentioned sworn officer were you working with them in a non-officer capacity prior to that yes any other law enforcement uh prior experience no were you on duty with the greely police department on september 4th of 2023 yes were you on duty at approximately 11 53 a.m yes anything happened at that time [00:29:31] Speaker 6: i was dispatched to a call at the greely police department when you say you were dispatched to a call [00:29:38] Speaker 3: is that where the incident took place no why were you going to the greely police department the call [00:29:44] Speaker 6: came out at the 1600 fair acre drive but the reporting party was currently at the lobby of the greely police department and where did you go i went to the lobby of the greely police department and when you got there was anyone there yes there was a female who was later identified as autumn quinlan and she had a small male toddler and a baby in a car seat so just to be clear two children yes [00:30:21] Speaker 3: and while you were speaking with her before getting into what you spoke about did you observe any injuries on her no and again this is almost noon on september 4th of 2023 yes what were you there i guess why why were you there um the call came out saying that there was the [00:30:45] Speaker 6: female who was reporting a past assault that had happened on july 24th 2023 [00:30:53] Speaker 3: did you discuss the prior assault that took place 2000 or sorry on july 24th 2023 with miss quinlan yes [00:31:05] Speaker 6: what did she tell you um she told me that she had been strangled by her husband hear say [00:31:13] Speaker 3: response your honor for this purpose the people would be not for the truth but seeking for effect upon the listener to explain what officer juan mateo does with this information [00:31:26] Speaker 6: thank you i'm going to overrule the objection please continue um she was strangled by her husband with the sock on july 24th where did that take place at the 1600 fair acre drive what city is that [00:31:41] Speaker 3: location really what county weld in what state colorado while speaking with her not going to ask you any more questions about that specific event but while you were speaking with miss quinlan did she [00:31:56] Speaker 6: provide you with any other i guess information um she stated that there was a phone that she wanted to [00:32:06] Speaker 3: provide to me were you provided a phone yes what did you do with this phone i placed it into evidence at the grilling police department ultimately with respect to your involvement regarding this phone [00:32:22] Speaker 6: what did you do anything else with it um i personally did it but i had handed it off to [00:32:28] Speaker 3: um detective brunmeyer and detective brunmeyer where does detective brunmeyer work at the grilling police department a colleague of yours yes and ultimately anything else to do with the phone is something that he handled correct so before moving on did you happen to see a vehicle at the really police department that was driven by mrs quinlan yes so now your honor um miss fick is going to approach the witness if she may thank you [00:33:16] Speaker 2: i'm sorry miss affected can you show that to mr donelson thank you [00:33:25] Speaker 3: and officer juan mateo do you happen to recognize that yes and you've been handed and i should note this you've been handed what's been previously marked as people's exhibit 98 yes and you mentioned that you [00:33:37] Speaker 6: recognize that how is it that you recognize that um so when um she stated that she had the phone she informed me that it was in her vehicle i told her i would meet her out in the parking lot and i met her there and i saw the vehicle out there where she was looking for the phone and what you've been [00:33:56] Speaker 3: shown is that essentially a screenshot of your body cam footage of you observing the vehicle yes is it a fair and accurate depiction of your observation of miss quinlan's vehicle yes you know at this time people would move to admit people's exhibit 98 any objection objection objection court will see you and admit exhibit 98 and permission to publish your honor yes and so officer it's going to be directly behind you so it's kind of awkward is that the uh is that the same exhibit that you have in front of you yes all right and is that the vehicle that you observed miss quinlan driving or being in control of yes thank you and we're going to move on for a moment after speaking with miss quinlan at the greeley police [00:34:50] Speaker 6: department what were you going to do i was going to follow up with um her husband for the allegations [00:34:58] Speaker 3: she had made and so i guess what did you do to do to follow up um it had been a few hours later and i had [00:35:06] Speaker 6: gone to the 1600 fair acre road to talk to him and you mentioned a couple hours later approximately [00:35:17] Speaker 3: what time did you arrive around 4 pm and this is again still on september 4th 2023 yes when you arrived at the 1600 fair acre address did you observe any vehicles out front yes i did and your [00:35:38] Speaker 4: honor i'm gonna ask the ms fick approach the witness with people's exhibit 97 [00:35:48] Speaker 3: officer juan mateo you've just been handed what's been previously marked as people's exhibit 97 do you [00:35:54] Speaker 6: recognize that yes how is it that you recognize it it was the same vehicle that i had contacted uh miss [00:36:00] Speaker 3: quinlan and you said same vehicle is it a different location yes different location same vehicle same day yes is it a fair and accurate depiction of your observations of the same vehicle on the same day at [00:36:16] Speaker 6: a different location yes and what location was that the location here is the 1600 [00:36:23] Speaker 3: your honor at this time people have moved to admit people's exhibit 97 any objection [00:36:27] Speaker 2: no objection court receive an admit exhibit 97 and permission to publish your honor yes [00:36:36] Speaker 3: same thing directly behind you is that the same photo that you have in front of you yes and in our guess where's the vehicle that you observed i guess in both locations both agree the police department and [00:36:53] Speaker 6: at the 1600s which one is it which one is it yes it's that blue or bluish grayish minivan so there's a [00:36:59] Speaker 3: minivan kind of towards the front of the photo at the bottom right corner is it's not that one right no [00:37:04] Speaker 2: it's not that one so one more center frame yes and miss sorry i'm just going to interrupt for just officer one material there should be a pointer like a extendable intent almost thank you thank you [00:37:17] Speaker 3: your honor this one that one thank you so much that's way more helpful than me trying to describe it um thank you so much [00:37:29] Speaker 6: so when you arrived at this location what did you do um i arrived here and then i knocked on the front door where you met with anyone yes who was that it was what i later found out was mr donison's uh father [00:37:49] Speaker 3: grandfather grandfather and but ultimately who are you there to see um mr donison and ultimately did this individual go and try to find that uh mr donison yes while you were waiting [00:38:09] Speaker 6: did anyone else come up to the door um yes the small boy i had earlier seen at the grilly police [00:38:15] Speaker 3: department so same child yes ultimately while you were there did you meet with someone by the name of christopher donison yes did that person speak with you yes do you see mr donison in the courtroom today yes i do would you please be able would you please identify where that person is sitting as well as an [00:38:33] Speaker 6: article of clothing that person is wearing um he's sitting right next to me too he's wearing a white [00:38:39] Speaker 3: button-up shirt and you say right next to you uh you to my right to your right your honor with the record please reflect the witnesses identified the defendant subject to cross examination the record will still reflect subjects across examination so before getting into your actual conversation did you observe any injuries on the defendant no i did not while you were speaking with the defendant were you equipped with a body-worn camera yes was it on during your interaction yes how do you know that um because [00:39:08] Speaker 6: i had turned it on prior to knocking on the door your honor if the uh miss fic can approach the [00:39:14] Speaker 3: witness with uh what's been previously marked as people's exhibit 23. yeah i just want to confirm mr daily this was exhibit 23. yes sir i apologize for the out of order numbers but so the first one was 98 97 then 23. thank you now i'm sorry i want to tell you before going into any specifics do you know what that is yes what is [00:39:39] Speaker 6: it it is a desk that contains um the video of my body cam is it your entire body cam footage of your [00:39:46] Speaker 3: entire investigation not all of it i believe is it a portion of it just where you're meeting with the defendant yes and is this from september 4th sorry yes september 4th of 2023 yes is it a fair and accurate depiction of your interactions with the defendants on that date september 4th 2023 yes you're at this time people would move to admit people's exhibit 23 into evidence any objections [00:40:14] Speaker 2: oh no objection thank you the court receive an admit exhibit 23. and this time you're on people would request to publish yes you may do so hello hello it's christian all right now they're looking [00:40:25] Speaker 1: at the body cam footage it's not long that's why i left it on here so you can hear what the interaction was but it's probably maybe two minutes it's it's really not long but you it's pretty clear you can hear 95 of it hello hello hey christopher can i talk to you out here [00:40:45] Speaker 6: so the reason of contacting you what happened uh during july [00:40:51] Speaker 7: anything happened here no no is your wife home no no where'd she go she set up the store she got mad at [00:41:00] Speaker 6: you what happened she got mad at you what happened today you guys fire or i mean like verbally not she just walked out okay what about um during like july 24th no is this your dad does he have any mental mental capacities at least for me no he does yeah what [00:41:38] Speaker 7: does he have talk outside please no i don't want to discuss your health like right here [00:41:46] Speaker 6: okay okay so the reason i'm contacting you is because autumn went to the station saying that you had [00:42:01] Speaker 7: assaulted her she did say she did say that let's call she did say that if it was over it was over okay you think that's part of it i mean i have a 29 minute video where she's begging me to stay with her [00:42:18] Speaker 6: yeah she did explain to me a little bit that you would videotape her and stuff i'm not saying that's bad yeah i get that she started getting so bad okay but nothing happened between you guys that's nothing happening okay well i'm just going to document it just because you guys are you know it's a dv situation she's claiming so i'm going to document it and here's my card if you need anything else let me know okay thank you thank you yeah i'll tell her thanks so a few kind hold on i gotta where's the comment [00:43:02] Speaker 1: what's up long wolf just wanted to say hi because you popped in and thanks for sending the raid over tonight so and thanks for hanging out with us hope you hang out for a little while i know you'll be busy [00:43:12] Speaker 3: uh follow-up questions from that interaction specifically what was the focus of your [00:43:23] Speaker 6: conversation with the defendant um to see what had happened on july 24th before getting to that [00:43:33] Speaker 3: did you also ask him if anything happened that day yes what was his response um that nothing had happened um he mentioned anything about a physical application that happened on september 4th no you ever mention autumn quinlan grabbing him by his testicles no about throwing him to the ground no did you observe any marks on the defendant no with respect to your questions on what happened on july 24th 2023 did he admit to anything about strangulation no in fact he denied any sort of physical education right i want to back up a little bit um just for your the end of your interaction with miss quinlan at the police station around you know uh 12 30 one o'clock in that range um did you ever uh actually physically observe the phone that was given to you like the physical phone the physical [00:44:37] Speaker 6: phone yes i had the phone in my hand what did it look like uh it was broken when you say broken [00:44:42] Speaker 3: the screen was shattered um and you couldn't turn it on and uh what color was the phone i believe it was black and regarding your interaction specifically with autumn quinlan during your initial interaction with her at the police station [00:44:59] Speaker 6: and how would you describe her demeanor uh initially she was calm but then when she started to getting into the story of the assault that had happened she was crying and she said she was scared and that she couldn't do all of this by herself and she didn't know how she was going to get out of it [00:45:19] Speaker 1: real quick trish thanks for the five give the memberships and congrats to the recipients and welcome to the trust thanks uh thanks once again and ultimately did you recommend her not to [00:45:33] Speaker 3: return to the residence yes and to your knowledge when you were there thanks for the super chat too [00:45:41] Speaker 1: with that in mind in my bed y'all i gotta acknowledge i don't want it to get away from me [00:45:46] Speaker 3: there at the residence in the video we just saw do you know if miss quinlan was there or not [00:45:53] Speaker 6: i don't know if she was there but i was told she was not there so when you were there you were told [00:45:59] Speaker 3: she was not there who told you that she wasn't uh mr donison and so uh at the end of that video [00:46:05] Speaker 6: you're walking away where are you going uh we were just gonna leave the area anything happen um once we were leaving the area we were informed by dispatch that there was an assault a few blocks away from us that [00:46:19] Speaker 3: had just occurred and when you say an assault that took place i guess let's let's back up a little bit what was the address that dispatch was telling you 1420 and in relation to the fair acre address [00:46:35] Speaker 6: what's the distance there maybe a block and a half to the east of the 1600 relatively close yes [00:46:43] Speaker 3: and dispatch informed you that an assault had taken place yes did to your knowledge was the assault taking place at that 17th street address yes okay but that's ultimately did you go to that location yes and was there an assault taking place there not at that location and so what did you observe i guess did you observe anything when you got there um i didn't i talked to victims [00:47:13] Speaker 6: but then after i observed the female inside the ambulance and so when you say you observe the female who was [00:47:22] Speaker 3: this female autumn quinlan the same woman that you met with earlier that day yes now when you saw her at really police department and now you're seeing her later in the day about how long has it been since you've seen her probably about four hours okay can you describe what she looks like now now that you're seeing her at [00:47:48] Speaker 6: approximately 4 4 15 p.m she had a goose egg on her forehead she had like what appeared to be dark discoloration on her face it was not what i had seen earlier in that the day and so compared to [00:48:05] Speaker 3: what you saw earlier you just said it wasn't the same these were new compared to what you saw earlier yes what happened with miss quinlan at that time um from my knowledge is that she had just uh been assaulted and sorry um without going into that just uh after you met with her and uh where did you meet with [00:48:26] Speaker 6: her at this 17th street address um i met her in the ambulance but i did not speak with her you just saw [00:48:35] Speaker 3: her yes and so and that's kind of what i'm getting at is where did she go she ended up going to um ncmc all right when she went there where did you go i went to where she went as well did you immediately [00:48:54] Speaker 6: go there no where did you go first um first we went to this back to the sixth why'd you go there um to [00:49:03] Speaker 3: talk to uh christopher donison about i guess approximately what time was it when you returned to this [00:49:11] Speaker 6: residence um maybe it was almost five at that time a little bit before five one seconds your honor [00:49:20] Speaker 3: i would like to approach the witness for refresh recollection may i do so or yes they can thank you [00:49:30] Speaker ?: okay [00:49:32] Speaker 3: so i want to tell you i'm just going to have you just review that portion of your reports just about where you are being dispatched where what times and then when you're done just flip it over and ask you some questions and so when you are dispatched first of all is your memory refreshed yes so when you're dispatched to the 17th street address approximately what time was that it was about 4 38 and approximately how long after that did you leave to return to the 1600 address it was like i said a little bit before five so a bit maybe 20 minutes the most and what time if you recall did you originally leave the 1600 address before going to the 17 avenue or the 17th street address when i first went and won my first [00:50:23] Speaker 6: follow-up yes um i got there around like four-ish a little bit before but i don't remember exactly [00:50:30] Speaker 3: what time i left but ultimately let's put it this way are you returning to this address within an hour of being there originally yes when you or did you return to the 1600 address yes did you meet with anyone while you were there yes did you try to meet with the defendant [00:50:52] Speaker 6: yes were you able to no why not i was told that he was no longer there did you ask for him yes but [00:51:01] Speaker 3: he was not there at the residence correct did you meet with anyone else there yes who was that it was [00:51:08] Speaker 6: uh chase i believe his last name is arroyo is that someone you met with when you were originally at the [00:51:13] Speaker 3: the address no and ultimately they'll go into specific statements were you asking him questions about his observations for september 4th 2023 yes did he give you an explanation of what he observed yes again not asking you specific questions about what he asked you after you spoke with mr arroyo what did you do i went to the uh nc autumn quinlan was um at what was the purpose of this meeting uh to take photographs of her injuries ultimately did you take photographs yes one moment so i want to back up to your first interaction with the defendants before your meeting with autumn quinlan and the ambulance okay okay during that interaction were you ever offered the opportunity to go into the residence no did you ever ask to go to the residence i did not when you came back afterwards after meeting with autumn in the ambulance and then returning to the fair acre residence did you ever go and conduct a search of the biscuits no where did [00:52:30] Speaker 6: you go uh we went to the front yard of the of the address is is that where you met with mr arroyo [00:52:39] Speaker 3: yes and ultimately you then went to go meet with miss quinlan at the hospital yes all right for this [00:52:46] Speaker 2: witness at this time thank you mr donelson do you have any questions for this witness yes your honor [00:52:52] Speaker 1: thank you hello officer hello did before he starts because it's going to be you know how this is going to go uh welcome new member and uh welcome to the trust thanks for hanging out tonight all right let's see what he's going to say with his little line of questioning you obviously recorded [00:53:10] Speaker 5: your interaction with miss quinlan on the day that she met with you at the uh police department [00:53:16] Speaker 6: right yes why are we not seeing that video today that is not up to me i it's provided to the courts [00:53:24] Speaker 5: do you not think it would be useful for the jury to see that video as well [00:53:27] Speaker 3: your honor i'm going to object these are calls for questions of evidence and um calls for questions of ultimately hearsay from miss quinlan so i don't know what the foundation would be to bring these i [00:53:40] Speaker 2: just thought the jury would like to see that any of those work some mr ernison any response [00:53:46] Speaker 5: i didn't hear your sponsor i just thought the jury would like to see that video as well [00:53:50] Speaker 2: all right i'm going to sustain the objection um the parties are bound by the rules of evidence and um we'll just go from there all right mr donison you can continue okay [00:54:07] Speaker 5: um where i have you subpoenaed as a witness as well correct correct okay um [00:54:16] Speaker 4: all right [00:54:21] Speaker 5: do you recall have you had a chance to review um that interview you did with miss quinlan yes do you recall that miss quinlan continued to bring up other uh falls that day um with you yes and do you recall that those calls are inaccurate i'm going to object your honor to a lack of personal knowledge uh i don't believe it is an act it is not she she called miss quinlan continued to say have parties um put on their headphones okay because he's he's inaccurate mr or mr donison go out and put on your [00:54:58] Speaker 2: headphone first [00:55:02] Speaker 1: she haven't put the headphones on i think when they need to have some kind of private talk or something and then they take them back off so i don't know what was said during that time but i think it was she [00:55:11] Speaker 5: was getting on them well something officer one mateo do you recall if uh autumn quinlan um inquired about [00:55:17] Speaker 6: other calls being made to our home if she required them or if she inquired if she brought up other [00:55:26] Speaker 5: calls being made to our home yes and do you recall you um checking on that to verify if there were [00:55:35] Speaker 6: i had i didn't go check when she asked i had checked prior but at the same time a lot of people don't know this that the greely police department's system had changed from what used to be spillman to what now is um central square so not everything is transferred so i couldn't say exactly if there was more history it had it was just a new system that they had just implied and it's true that that [00:56:04] Speaker 5: day she was claiming that there were calls to that home that were not true correct i couldn't say [00:56:09] Speaker 6: because i couldn't see the whole history from the past if that makes any sense from your investigation that day did you find any other calls though no but i did not check further on the other systems [00:56:23] Speaker 5: and since then did you i did not so is it accurate to say that [00:56:32] Speaker 6: that her claims that her claims that day were false i cannot say because i did not investigate further if there was any more calls [00:56:44] Speaker 5: but through your investigation you did not find other calls no are you aware of uh let me see here do you recall that during the when she claimed when she told you about the strangulation the alleged strangulation that she claimed there was a knife she did are you aware that never after that time there was never alleged knife after that can you explain a little bit more yeah after that after the allegation of a knife that day that there was never an alleged knife mentioned after that in that strangulation allegation that that was the only time that was ever mentioned yeah she mentioned it once yes and that was the only time that was ever mentioned are you aware of that yes are you aware that that story has changed several times since then i wouldn't know is that the only time you've heard that allegation that's the only time i spoke with her you testified that ms quinlan gave you a broken phone correct yes who did miss quinlan say broke that phone she said she broke it and are you aware that she later told miss told someone that i broke that phone i wouldn't know that day did miss quinlan tell you that i was wanting to end the relationship with her yes are you aware that later that day she told [00:58:10] Speaker 3: someone that she wanted to divorce me objection your honor hearsay as well as outside the personal [00:58:16] Speaker 2: knowledge of this witness withdrawn for the record the court sustains the objection mr donison you may [00:58:21] Speaker 6: continue okay did she seem upset or angry over that uh miss quinlan had a lot of emotions going on that day what did she seem to be upset about most about i guess everything that was going on she seemed to be dwelling over one thing over another she just seemed that she was upset about a lot of things that were going on with everything in the relationship do you recall her talking about not [00:58:59] Speaker 4: being able to parent alone yes did that seem to be a major concern for her i would assume yes [00:59:10] Speaker 6: assume or i did not ask her exactly if that was what she was most upset about well no i mean based on what she said she seemed like she was upset over everything that officers on the previous calls did not listen to her about parenting about um not being mentally okay and the assaults so there was a lot of things that she was upset about [00:59:34] Speaker 5: she mentioned she mentioned she mentioned not being mentally okay yeah can you elaborate on that um she said that [00:59:41] Speaker 6: she was going through a lot of uh therapy upon previous trauma [00:59:49] Speaker 5: she mentioned uh being not on her mental on her medical and medicine yes since uh there was no she was not [00:59:58] Speaker 6: financially able to afford her medications and that was affecting her yeah when you told her not to come [01:00:06] Speaker 5: back to the house when you when you suggested that she not come back to the house what reason did you give her [01:00:13] Speaker 6: uh that i would try to contact you first was that for her own safety yes was that also because you felt that her temper was flaring no did you feel that she was angry uh she not angry but more i don't know how to explain it when a female is upset that she's not being listened to and not getting any help that's [01:00:37] Speaker 5: that's what i got from her did you feel that she was frustrated when you told her that i would not be arrested for that i did not tell her anything about that did you become aware later that miss quinlan had come upstairs with me that day were you ever made aware of that can you elaborate a little bit oh i'm sorry were you ever made aware that when my grandfather called me upstairs that autumn [01:01:02] Speaker 3: clinton also came upstairs with me objection your honor outside the personal knowledge of this witness [01:01:09] Speaker 2: that's why i asked if she was made aware i think if she's aware she can answer the question if not [01:01:13] Speaker 5: then that's the answer aware that she came up with you yeah that she came upstairs with me that day and was watching out the window while you talked to me on the porch did she ever make you aware [01:01:22] Speaker 6: of that she did not make me aware of that before she left no you testified that you came back to [01:01:30] Speaker 5: the house later that day correct yes and you spoke to uh chase arroyo yes and did he offer you to come into the home no at that time did he offered to give you any of the uh for lack of a better word for them the weapons no um at that at that time were you told that there were um alleged weapons involved yes did you ask to be given these alleged weapons no is there a reason why you did not ask for [01:02:11] Speaker 6: these weapons so i was not the initial officer who was speaking with arroyo i was more of a cover officer [01:02:19] Speaker 5: on that and who was the officer in that time officer serafino and where is officer serafino now [01:02:25] Speaker 4: i have no idea do are we going to be hearing from him your honor is outside the scope of or i think it's a good question in the objection [01:02:41] Speaker 2: it's a whether or not the district attorney is going to call a witness not up to this officer so i'm sustaining the objection you can ask your next question please [01:02:51] Speaker 5: lots of questions here not being answered all right your honor i would ask that the [01:02:56] Speaker 3: that all parties refrain from making other statements that goes for both the people and for the defendant [01:03:02] Speaker 2: coral order that the parties both the people and the defense are to refrain from making okay sorry [01:03:08] Speaker 5: treatments like that so was there it was it ever explained to you why the evidence was not collected no um did you ever question why the evidence was not collected no did you ever ask chase arroyo about the evidence no did you ever ask adam quinlan about the evidence no did you uh did you ever ask about any anything else other than the fact of where this mysterious evidence was where it was in the house no did anybody speak on it be after this day i am not aware but i don't know did anybody uh give me just one second please were you ever made aware of another situation of uh on march 3rd it took place at our residence i'm going to object outside the scope and direct your [01:04:12] Speaker 2: uh on our other officers thank you hold on mr donison when there's an objection you just need to make i apologize you have an opportunity to rule on it i'm going to have everyone put on their heads [01:04:25] Speaker 5: and we'll have a discussion yes ma'am not again thank you go ahead mr donison um i have no further questions for this witness at this time thank you mr daily any redirect yes right [01:04:40] Speaker 3: hello again hello you're asked um we're going to do some follow-up on the questions from cross-examination you were asked about other possible calls do you recall those questions yes you mentioned that there's a new system i don't want you to necessarily go into all the details but when you say there's a new system i guess what what trouble were you having if any with this portion of your investigation so [01:05:12] Speaker 6: the county had switched from what an old system used to be called spillman i'm sorry can you pull [01:05:19] Speaker 2: the microphone a little bit closer the whole thing moves just like a penis so they used to be called [01:05:24] Speaker 6: spillman where all our calls would come in all the you know 911 or dispatcher calls but then i believe either late 2022 and or early 2023 they had changed it to a new system that is not linked to the other ones so any other previous call that didn't come that came after the change was on there but anything [01:05:49] Speaker 3: previously we could not see and so just regarding your investigation were you responding to a call on september 4 2023 at about you know just before noon yes and that was at the greeley police department yes so and again you're speaking with miss quinlan i'm not going to go through your entire interaction with her um but at one point you were provided a phone yes when you received that phone were you investigating [01:06:20] Speaker 6: who broke that phone no what were you investigating the assault that happened on july 24th and during [01:06:29] Speaker 3: the interaction or during cross-examination you're also asked questions about what miss quinlan may or may not have been upset about do you recall that yes um ultimately i believe your response was something to the effect of kind of everything that was going on yeah is that a fair indication of that yes was being strangled one of the things that she was talking about while she was being emotional yes when you were investigating let's put it this way when you're told about a knife is that in relation to the strangulation situation from july 24th yes okay in terms of your investigation however you didn't speak with miss quinlan specifically about what happened to her on september 4th did you no and so anything that may have happened causing her injuries or whatever she went through you wouldn't have any knowledge of that no and so anything that occurred in that 1600 fair acre residence on september 4th you weren't informed of what occurred that day no and specifically i know that may have been a bit of a confusing question let's put it this way you're investigating something that occurred on july 24th 2023 yes the same day that you're investigating this prior incident there was a new assault that takes place yes but as part of your investigation were you then let's put this way part of that new investigation for the assault yes but did you receive any information specifically from miss quinlan about the september 4th second assault case no no further questions your honor thank you [01:08:42] Speaker 5: thank you mr donison avery cross um yes ma'am i just wanted to ask her is there any way to to verify [01:08:51] Speaker 6: those calls you would have to contact the grilly police department records so you couldn't do it [01:08:58] Speaker 5: directly to verify those calls that miss quinlan claims you know to she claims she's made so many [01:09:06] Speaker 6: times over and over not at that time of when she had made those claims so she was just so when she was [01:09:14] Speaker 5: saying she made all these calls over and over there's no way to verify those no but i had gone for the [01:09:20] Speaker 6: assault and not where previous officers had gone all right all right no further questions run thank you [01:09:29] Speaker 2: all right do any members of the jury have any questions for officer one with them thank you thank you officer you may step down um members of the jury as we discussed previously we generally take an afternoon recess um so we'll go ahead and take that afternoon recess at this time since it seems like that's a good point to do it i do need to remind you that until the trial is completed you must not discuss this case with anyone either in person using the internet by any other means this includes members of your family people involved in the trial other jurors or anyone else if someone approaches you and tries to discuss the trial with you or if you see or hear anything about it even accidentally please let me know about it immediately you must not conduct any research undertake any investigation or otherwise obtain information about this case from an outside source you must not read or listen to any news reports or internet information or other electronic sources about the trial your verdict must be based solely on the evidence presented in the courtroom and the laws i instruct you finally it is especially important that you do not form or express any opinion on the case until your deliberations at the end of the trial all right but that will be in a 15 to 20 minute recess [01:10:42] Speaker 1: all right thank you may be seated all right we are they let the jury out but she's finishing up [01:10:49] Speaker 2: before they take that break outside the presence of the jury um one i do think everyone probably needs to take a recess at this time but uh as we indicated this morning we wanted to have a uh discussion and further ruling with regard to the motions that were filed by mr donison on the 17th last week and would the [01:11:13] Speaker 8: parties like to address that now or do a recess first well i i mean i was i was told by advisory council that mr donison has actual exhibits he's seeking to potentially admit through miss quinlan i have not seen those and so i need to view them okay opportunity to view them i don't know if there are exhibits i can view but at a minimum i need to look at those before he can even make a record about them so i don't know if that's the case if mr donison is seeking to admit exhibits if not then we can talk about the evidence generally but threshold matter if there are exhibits particularly video exhibits [01:11:45] Speaker 2: that take some time to watch i need to see them now mr donison are there exhibits that you're seeking to [01:11:51] Speaker 5: admit through miss quinlan i need to uh speak to my advisory that's fine that's fine yep uh mr skeleton [01:11:58] Speaker 2: while mr donison is speaking with uh with his advisory council is there an exhibit list yes thank you gallon for you that's fine yes and judge is it okay if i put the exhibits on there yes you can put them up on the um for reporters table thank you thank you mr daily all right um i just want to certainly mr donison you have an opportunity to speak with your advisory council yes ma'am um that microphone has a where you can push it so the green light turns off yeah when you speak to each other i'm going to advise you to press that button yeah otherwise we are live streaming so my concern is that people who are live streaming maybe oh yeah conversation so just make sure okay yes ma'am i'm ready to separate and talk thank you for the thank you thank you so mr donison my question was if there are exhibits that you are intending to seek with miss quinlan for admission yes i would say [01:13:05] Speaker 5: that if if if i'm being well if i'm going to be able to turn them over to for this purpose we're probably going to need to break for the day so they have time to go through them because there's it's a [01:13:19] Speaker 2: lot so can you give me an offer of proof of what you are intending to admit so i have a good timeline on [01:13:28] Speaker 5: that um uh well your honor i mean i wouldn't know where to start i mean it's uh it's a lot it is a lot so i need you to tell me what is a [01:13:43] Speaker 2: lot is it something that can be done between now and 5 p.m so mr skelta can review it is it something that's going to need need him to review it after hours this afternoon that's what i need to know or is it a 10 minute or less situation no it's not when you say a lot i need you to quantify it for [01:14:00] Speaker 5: me it's probably going to be it's probably going to be something he's going to probably have to review after after hours it's going to be it's going to take time it's going to take time for him to digest and and probably going to take time for him to want to want to go through so are you able to quantify how [01:14:16] Speaker 2: much there is that you need mr skeleton to review which is a maybe we did maybe we could like condense [01:14:23] Speaker 5: it there was quite a bit but maybe we did condense it quite so i don't need to hear that you can condense [01:14:31] Speaker 2: it i just need to know what i'm looking at here so if i need to advise the jury of something different than i can able i'm able to do that today i mean i'll just say timing wise i think we could just [01:14:41] Speaker 8: start with ms quinlan's direct i mean i it's going to take longer than an hour anyway um and actually use the time and not waste the jurors time this afternoon um and then defense counseling or advisor counsel and the defendant can get together and decide how they wish proceed to give me something i can watch um and then we're going to need a lot of time to litigate it because i'm sure 80 of it's objectionable so uh yeah uh we might have to just block off some time in the morning um yeah very frustrating because i got five or six witnesses lined up tomorrow morning um but it is what it is so i think if this is the case where we're at i think we go to the break and then i call miss quinlan and then we proceed to direct because at no point now is the defendant offering evidence on direct examination i'm going to finish today on direct and then we just figure it out once we release the [01:15:29] Speaker 2: jury for the day thank you i think actually that makes sense that we're not wasting time um that'll give mr donison and mr lemus an opportunity to get this in a way that mr skeleton and mr daily can review it um i would agree that whatever exhibits mr donison is seeking to admit would probably not be relevant for the purposes of direct examination so would not impact the people's uh presenting of evidence with miss quinlan so we will try let's try this let's try to break around quarter to five quarter to five uh because one we need we are required to break by five um given the circumstances of mr donison and that way we can get a better understanding of what we're looking at um looks like we may need to tell the jury to come back a little bit later than normal in the morning i usually try to start at 8 30 but it sounds like depending on what the exhibits are we'll need to hear and address argument on that so i'm inclined to have the jury come back maybe at 10 a.m tomorrow so we can get started um and litigate those issues yeah at a minimum i think we'll just have to hopefully we get some [01:16:53] Speaker 8: more information about how long these exhibits are and potentially it might be helpful for the court to review them too versus two people telling you what's on there so i we can i guess we could talk again at 4 45 but i agree okay thank you let's go ahead and take our recess um if i could have [01:17:12] Speaker 2: mr jonathan basically brought up as soon as he's ready um we've been in a recess for about 10 minutes at least with the jury so if if i could have just parties back in the courtroom as soon as possible thank you court will be in a brief recess [01:17:28] Speaker 1: all right that's part one i can try to bring part two tomorrow night if y'all want to see it i pretty much got it most of the way ready it might be a little bit shorter than this because it's the same day and then we would have to go to the next day so each day if i do it i have to break it into two because it's long so i think y'all voting in the in the chat already but i hope you enjoyed the first part in the next part we'll see more witnesses and i'm sure he's going to say more things because i haven't watched it all yet i have to watch it as i edit it and then and then put it here so all right well i'll send y'all off with a song like i normally do of course there's not nothing about the case just to print i wouldn't do anything on stuff like this anyway so um let's go i'll be checking the uh responses in the chat [01:18:33] Speaker 9: never go pro say it's a big mistake you don't know the law you can't stand tall sit down before it's too late walking through the courtroom thinking you know best every rule in motion puts your nerves to the test the other sides prepare they've studied every page while you're learning court procedures standing on the stage evidence and deadlines objections in the air one miss filing here and the judge don't care confidence alone won't carry you that far the law is a mountain not a walk in the park you can watch a hundred videos read every case you find but years of legal practice can't be learned overnight never go pro say it's a big mistake you don't know the law you can't stand tall sit down before it's too late they think they know the answers they think they got a plan till the judge starts asking questions they don't understand case law statutes burdens every rule inside one wrong step can change the whole fight no legal training no strategy to bring trying to play the game without knowing everything the courtroom is in social media where opinions dominates rules prove and procedure that decide your fate they say the person who represents himself has a fool for a client that's been said for years pride can cloud your judgment confidence confidence can hide your fears know what you're walking into before the snakes get great never go pro say it's a big mistake you don't know the law you can't stand tall sit down before it's too late it's a big mistake [01:21:16] Speaker 1: all right thanks for hanging out marz thanks for what you do in the chat helping out and everybody that hangs out so good night and good morning because i know i got half and half in here and uh all right i'll try to get everything together for tomorrow night another video is coming out in the morning members look you'll get an alert shortly because i have another video about to be released in about probably 10 or 15 minutes if that some of you are up late and i know the ones that pop in at night so all right i'll see you around tomorrow