Press conference erupts in chaos as protesters demand answers for Madison police shooting

[0:10] thank you all for joining us this afternoon my name is satya rhodes-conway i'm the mayor of [0:15] madison wisconsin i want to thank chief patterson council president madison and reverend allen for [0:22] being here as well and i want to start first by offering my very sincere condolences to the [0:28] family of cory ruiz my immediate concern right now is for the well-being of our community i want to [0:37] make sure that everyone who needs it has access to resources and mental health support those [0:45] resources exist and are available to you if you need them if you need urgent support please use [0:52] the 988 lifeline you can call or text 988 to be connected with that support you could also text [1:01] home that's h-o-m-e or hola h-o-a-l-a to 741-741 that's 741-741 to reach a live volunteer crisis [1:15] counselor 24 7. dane county also has a crisis hotline that number is 608-280-2609 again that's [1:26] 608-280-2609 there are also more resources available on the public health website which is [1:34] publichealthmdc.com resources this is incredibly difficult moment for the madison community [1:45] and i understand the very strong emotions that people are feeling i am feeling them too as a city [1:54] as a community as a society we have to do better i want to be clear it does not matter who you are [2:05] or what your past is you should not lose your life as a result of an encounter with law enforcement [2:14] that should not happen like many in our community today i have a lot of questions and concerns about [2:22] what happened yesterday what decisions were made by officers that led to escalation instead of de [2:29] escalation what different choices could have been made to prevent harm what needs to change in police [2:38] policy or training or anything else to prevent more deaths this officer involved shooting must be [2:47] rigorously investigated and it will be the process has already started with the department of criminal [2:53] investigation but that's just the first step the da will play a role as will the independent monitor [3:01] and the police civilian oversight board our community deserves full transparency and accountability [3:10] it's really understandable that people want answers right now i want them too but the honest truth [3:17] is that good investigations take time we have to let the investigation play out but believe me [3:25] anything that we can do on the city side to hasten that we will and beyond the formal investigation [3:34] i think there are questions that have to be answered the days and weeks ahead the common council [3:42] and myself as representatives of the community will do our best to get and share information [3:49] and to create spaces to have the conversations that need to be had i'm going to let council president [3:54] madison share more details about community listening sessions and but i also want to mention that there [4:01] is a vigil tonight that's planned that i encourage people to attend if they feel so motivated i also [4:09] want to emphasize that the safety of the community is paramount right now people have every right to [4:15] peacefully protest and i urge people to do that safely and to take care of themselves in the process [4:21] the city is working to help facilitate this i'll close with this dr anthony of the urban league said [4:32] earlier today in their statement that public safety must truly include everyone i quote that statement [4:41] a just community must protect residents from violence and also protect them from unnecessary harm [4:47] by the very systems entrusted with their safety public safety cannot be measured only by enforcement [4:54] it must also be measured by dignity restraint accountability fairness and the preservation of life [5:01] end quote madison should be a just community we can be a just community but we have work to do [5:12] to truly be a just community now hand the podium to council president sabrina madison all righty um [5:24] first of all can you hear me okay thank you all right so um i guess for me i start with um corey could be a [5:40] charles charles can be a clyde who's stepping into the room clyde can be a michael michael can be a tony tony [5:48] could be a lashawn a lashawn can be a james james can be a randall randall could be uh tyrell i can go on [5:58] and on and on and on and on um but corey could have been my brother because my brother is homeless he [6:12] often rides a bike when we meet up by the um by the beacon and corey could have been a charles but [6:25] speaking of corey specifically corey has a family who loves him i believe corey has a child corey is a [6:36] human being corey came from a mother a mother who gave birth to him most of us likely came through [6:47] into the world through a traditional birth likely and so you imagine when you take this child home [6:53] you have all of these hopes for your kid you hope they grow up to be astronauts presidents uh [7:01] entrepreneurs smart business owners community leaders you have all of these hopes for your kids [7:06] and as your kids uh mature you know you begin to especially if you're raising a black child and a [7:13] black male child you have to have very difficult conversations my son is 31 and i've had those [7:20] difficult conversations not just with my own son but with my three brothers so the conversations [7:26] normally look like don't go out by yourself alone if the police stop you you tell you teach your kid [7:35] all of these mechanics of what you need to do if you're stopped by the police make sure the police can [7:40] see your hands pull over right away turn on all of your lights all of these mechanics of just moving [7:48] about the world you sort of have to give this young black child all of these restrictions on how they [7:54] move about the world versus this freedom that exists for white young men when you're raising white boys for [8:00] example i have most of us have friends who are white folks with little white kids and i've never heard my [8:08] any of my female white friends with children giving their children the same directions that i have had to give my son [8:18] so i just want to go back to corey is a person he's a human being he has a family he has parents he has [8:27] parents who loved him you know who brought him home who cared for him who poured into him and when you're [8:38] raising a young person into adulthood as they mature into adulthood you begin to see some of those hopes [8:45] that you have for them realize they become parents they become career people they become high school [8:53] graduates they become college folks they become union workers they become all kinds of things and so [9:00] for me um seeing first getting the call from you know when your council leadership you get all the phone [9:09] calls about emergencies so you know i get the phone call and your first inclination is to get online and [9:17] see what is happening and you know i get online to see what is happening and i see a video of who i [9:24] will learn later is corey and i don't i don't see what's happening all together there's some cars in a way [9:32] but i can hear the sounds i can hear the sounds i can hear the words taser and i could just hear the [9:39] shots and it's the shots that don't uh escape you and then i finally see videos with a bit more detail [9:49] and i'm telling you i'm like my first thought is when the officer is walking away why isn't he walking [9:55] away in cuffs that's my first thought because i'm i'm just i'm looking at a corey who can be a charles who [10:04] can be a clyde who can be my son and i'm angry there's like no way around it and while we know that there [10:14] will be investigations and all of that the thing for me is that his his death is final and for us who [10:22] have lost loved ones and have grieved loved ones or for some of us who may be taking a longer path to [10:29] the passing of a loved one it is it is a very difficult thing to to experience so my thoughts [10:37] are with his family his family that nurtured him and poured into him because they no longer have [10:46] him because his death is final there's no coming back from death so that's where my thoughts have been [10:53] i of course want an investigation that's comprehensive that's complete that's not [11:01] bullshitting you know you want all of those things and i don't want something that's like a six month [11:09] process or a nine month process and we often hear that you know it can be a while so [11:15] i want to encourage everybody not just i want to i guess i want to encourage everybody that we [11:21] should all be encouraging and pushing everyone part of the process push the department of criminal [11:28] investigations to investigate comprehensively and fairly and release information as soon as possible [11:36] we should be pushing and advocating for our district attorney to charge folks when the community [11:43] is is reviewing the information it may feel through that information we have received the person [11:48] should be charged so i want you to engage your district attorney our district attorney as well [11:54] i want you to engage the office of the independent monitor because like dci they are you know they [11:59] investigate a body as well engage them i want you to engage the police and fire commission i spent about [12:06] an hour on the phone earlier today from an attorney out of the milwaukee area and a local community member [12:13] and she serves for her local body's police and fire commission i want you to file complaints with [12:21] them i want you to file complaints with our local madison police department i want you to take every route [12:27] to justice for corey i don't think you should limit yourselves i want you to continue to reach out to [12:33] the common council i want you to continue to reach out to the county i want you to reach out to your [12:38] state legislators because if corey who can be charles who can be clyde who can be jerome who can be this [12:46] person in front of me then if the protocol to go that quickly to shoot this gentleman in the head three [12:55] times and that is an option i don't know how that is an option my brain has not been able to put that [13:03] together as an option because i didn't see anything that warranted it so if this if we are told later [13:14] that that was an option because of what preceded the shooting then we need to be advocating at every [13:22] level of government for these kinds of directives to change i don't think we should end it here i guess [13:31] i think it's at every local every level of government it is every body every election [13:38] elective folks at every level of government that has a responsibility we have folks who are running [13:43] for office right now are the folks listening talking to those folks how are they going to respond to this [13:50] legislatively outside of their vote on august 11th or in november how does this impact what they're [13:57] doing right now how does this impact the policies that they've already drafted and have been running [14:02] on do they respond with different policy legislation do they just get to say we just want an investigation [14:09] well if they're elected they have a responsibility to the voters to update legislation around our police [14:16] and across the state so the last the other thing i want to say is i've spent a considerable amount of years [14:22] giving back into the community and making myself available in tons of spaces and i'm mostly private [14:27] because mental health is not something that any of us should take lightly and i want to implore [14:32] especially other orders to use services available to us i want to implore community members to access [14:38] resources i my assumption is that pastor allen will share some of that but the behavior health center from [14:44] dane county is a really great resource and a really great confidential resource i've made a ton of [14:49] referrals and have have had positive successes with them over the years the other thing i want to say [14:54] about the listening session we would have held that tonight but overnight or at some point between [15:02] last night and this morning i learned there's a vigil for core today at five o'clock so that listening [15:07] session will not happen tonight i expect to have an update hopefully by monday morning because uh you [15:13] know when you're reserving city spaces there's some logistics that you need to work out first so i expect [15:17] to be able to get give an update by monday morning but again i just want to end by saying that just as a [15:23] reminder that corey has a family the family poured into him and corey's family won't get to see his [15:33] family's hopes and dreams for him like the things that we're all sitting here with who likely for [15:38] those of us who have still at least a one living parent my mother still has hopes and dreams for me [15:43] you know so he his family doesn't get to see those things realized for him and so i've had what 24 hours [15:53] maybe to process it but i guess i just i just want to say that that is not this the only thing i [16:01] can say is that's not the option that we want available for us if that makes sense that's we [16:07] should we should the options options should be off the table and if this option was i don't believe it [16:14] was an appropriate option to take and my hope is that the investigation shows that it was not in you [16:20] know maybe maybe maybe it will maybe it won't but whatever the outcome is i think all of us should [16:26] be advocating for that option to be taken off the table and for training to be improved and maybe we [16:34] need to be changing our standards of what it looks like to know that you're fit to be in our community [16:39] serving our community because too often we have a corey and too often we have a corey that doesn't [16:46] a lot does not get to sort of his parents don't get to see their everything that they had for him [16:55] realized so that's all i have and chief patterson thank you good afternoon um i know we have new [17:12] folks in the in the room um i want to just introduce myself quick but first thank you mayor thank you [17:18] president uh madison for your comments uh my name is john patterson i'm the chief of police of the madison [17:24] police department i moved here in 1994 i've been a member of this community since then and i've [17:33] served our community for about a year now as your police chief but i've served as a member of the [17:41] department since 1998. i want to begin by speaking plainly yesterday a young man a young member of our [17:54] community died after an encounter with one of our officers uh he was in his 30s and i i know he had [18:03] a family who cared for him um and i know he had a community who cared for him uh his family is grieving [18:11] today and our entire community i believe is grieving alongside them i don't want to rush past that fact [18:20] to to share with you um what will come next i i want to take time to outline the the process [18:29] for all of you when a death occurs in any community in wisconsin that involves police [18:39] this is an open and active homicide investigation right now in accordance with state statute long-standing [18:48] practice the madison police department has called for a thorough and independent criminal investigation [18:55] into yesterday's shooting so at the request of of us at the mpd the wisconsin department of [19:03] justice division of criminal investigation or as has been called dci by me and others in the past [19:09] they will lead this homicide investigation as you know dci is a statewide agency they have experience [19:19] and expertise in these types of situations these types of situations that involve police and police [19:27] shootings so they are fully in charge of this investigation dci is fully in charge of this [19:35] investigation during these investigations their agents quickly respond to the scene they process it [19:44] for evidence they thoroughly document the scene they analyze video that they can find canvas for video [19:52] they interview witnesses they create their own documents dci will also release the name of the officer who [20:00] fired his firearm at some point in their investigation and i sincerely hope that is soon once all of the [20:08] facts and information have been gathered dci will then present it to the district attorney's office [20:13] for that review and decision so this process exists precisely so that no department in wisconsin [20:22] investigates itself and its own actions involving its community members i'm not going to stand here today [20:30] and render a verdict or an opinion about what the investigation will find because i believe that [20:35] will jeopardize what we all want was which is independence an independent review what i can promise [20:45] you is that this department will cooperate fully with dci and we will not hide from any aspect of [20:51] this investigation so i've been thinking a lot today about a former chief who led this department for [20:59] 21 years david cooper so long before community policing was a phrase that people seem to use [21:09] casually now he built this department upon that conviction he built it upon something he would plainly [21:17] say that you cannot do the job unless you have the support of your community years after he left office [21:26] he wrote something that i think this department has to sit with very honestly right now he said that [21:33] the use of physical force by police is a sacred and public trust more than more he also said that [21:42] more than the force of department uses the less trust and support it has from the people it serves [21:49] the more force we use the less trust we have that is the tension that we are living through right now in [21:56] this city and i can physically feel it i also want to name something directly because i know the city has [22:06] not forgotten about it and will not be silent about it and i referenced it somewhat yesterday but this shooting [22:12] happened a block and a half from where tony robinson was shot and killed by a madison police officer in [22:18] 2015. it happened near the same corner where paul heenan was shot and killed by a police officer in [22:28] madison in 2012. three numbers with your police department within roughly 14 years on the same handful [22:38] blocks i'm not going to stand uh here and draw a legal conclusion about any of the three but i'm saying [22:44] because i think we all have to recognize it we have to recognize the trauma that this community [22:51] has gone through is experiencing now again and pretending that this is the first time [22:57] would ask this community to forget trauma and forget losses endured and i will not do that trust in this [23:07] department is not something any of us can assume it's it is by far our greatest commodity must be earned [23:14] continuously and i think it can be lost in a single afternoon the thinnest of trust in the city right [23:23] now did not start you can shut this down you can stop talking because we don't want to hear anything [23:29] you've been saying you're going to say the same thing you all say every time a black body gets shot [23:33] down in this city this is a corrupt city that's right have no fear the anti-zionist is here you understand me [23:40] you won't be able to talk today because i'm going to keep talking because i was born to talk my talk [23:46] and walk my walk too i told these young people back here on our way here that we have the power not [23:52] that badge not that weapon we have the power the city of madison is corrupt from the da to the to the [23:59] what's the name of this the uh department of independent monitoring we don't want any any of that talk [24:06] you've given us this speech with you'll deliver justice oh we've seen the cameras we've seen it [24:13] was a knife in this young man's hand we don't want to hear that today we didn't want to hear it when [24:18] they put their neck on george floyd's neck we don't their foot on george floyd's neck and we don't want [24:23] to hear it today that's the what do you have to say about that oh you don't get to talk i said right [24:30] go ahead let's go step aside oh give me this microphone then excuse me that's right my name [24:37] is carlos i represent apt half all power to all people zero power to zionists zero power to capitalists [24:45] zero power to colonialism what you are doing right now in this city is continuing the the disgusting [24:54] nature of colonialism the disgusting nature of imperialism look up the definition of imperialism [25:02] it's all within the policies which means when these police officers come down on the street [25:07] and they decide that they want to take the life of another brown body there is no oversight for that [25:12] that's imperialism ladies and gentlemen this man signed up to be an enforcer of imperialism [25:19] is there any anybody else want to say anything it doesn't matter what okay the people want to talk [25:27] come up here the people want to talk the people want to talk come up here this is our our press [25:32] conference and i put my lips all over the this microphone power to the people no power designers [25:39] that's right anybody got anything they want to say let us know you got some questions y'all want to ask [25:45] ask us some questions we're taking questions anybody i didn't think so turn up your zionist [25:51] noses because your your entire communications and media department is all about zionism and [25:58] colonialism we will not stand i am a part of the class that has been oppressed and and struggled my [26:03] entire life my grandmother struggled my mother struggled their grandmother struggled those people [26:09] struggled we go back enough far enough and we can see that there was a white european that colonized us [26:15] that stole land that committed genocide right here on america and you guys want to host your [26:21] bourgeoisie revolution you guys want to run your mouths about the the how disgusting socialism is [26:28] you haven't seen socialism okay i am a revolutionary intercommunalist okay i believe that there is no [26:36] separation of the struggle you see my hand right here this is how you fret this is fragmentation [26:41] all of these struggle palestine congo america uh sudan venezuela but when you put that fist together [26:50] you get the power of intercommunalism so i'm on donald trump's side okay i don't like communism because [26:57] you guys have rebranded communism you guys have took socialism and the fight for liberation and turned [27:03] it into something you can profit for just like the the the non-profit organizations inside of this city [27:09] i've seen the paperwork i followed the paper trail i have smelled the zionism all throughout your city [27:16] it is time for you guys to wrap it up you you got it's time to go you don't have no questions let's [27:22] go it won't be no meeting today you go go for it we are all here for a conversation and i would like to [27:34] hear what the police chief has to finish saying and i want you to also be a part of that conversation [27:41] because this is an opportunity for us to have a conversation so what you're doing is is you're [27:46] coddling up to imperialism brother there will be no coddling to imperialism if you don't have a [27:51] question about what kind of charges are going to be brought by no soul you are coddling to imperialism [27:58] i don't i don't stand for that i fundamentally reject it brother you can get old if you got some [28:05] questions about what's going to happen to these pigs that killed that young man because he appeared to [28:11] be homeless then then let us know will there be just so so so that sounds like a song there will [28:17] be no investigation police have asked dci to do is a homicide investigation one second because i don't [28:26] do the young enough black i don't care i don't do that they invited you to this room young man they [28:32] didn't invite me i don't care i don't show it doesn't matter you don't have a question you have an [28:37] opinion that coddles to capitalism your opinion coddles to imperialism hey hey hey that that's [28:47] coddling and nope for too long for too long we are having a conversation matter of fact you know what [28:56] we're not having no conversation and i'm giving you the answer he said what is the charges being brought [29:01] up against the officer okay they're asked for it to be a homicide investigation and that's why we all [29:07] like you're right yeah so we got to have a conversation we don't have to monopolize [29:12] to get our points this microphone ain't even on [29:15] respond back to him brother i know the response you are out your mind if you think you're going to [29:25] to to to hypnotize me into believing that this young man is going to deliver anything other than what [29:34] we have already been there is no difference this is the clown show this is a puppet show stop it [29:41] that young man there and all of these officers with these bags are puppets the media are puppets [29:47] that's right y'all turn your cameras off i know you did because you better do it because i said i'm an [29:52] anti-scientist so the question is i'm anti-humanism what's your question can he talk [29:57] investigating this is a homicide i like that answer what's your question let him finish so that we [30:03] can actually hear and now you're yelling at a black woman continuing the disgusting i don't care [30:10] what i'm not gonna do what i what i'm not gonna do is is all hey you did you know you don't you don't [30:31] get to walk up on me brother you don't get it don't matter you don't get you don't get i ain't [30:36] no shaking no motherfucking hands with no imperialist i don't do that you can you're you're in my space [30:42] right now too now i'm gonna back up right here and if you keep walking up on me i'm gonna show you [30:48] what i'm talking about let me put my things down that's aggression that's a sign of i'm backing up [30:55] this man approached me i don't care if your hand was out brother don't do that i'm from the ghetto [31:00] i'm from gang culture we don't do that brother don't walk up on me like that i have ptsd okay okay [31:06] okay and that's the problem right there right so tell him to calm down [31:12] and these are the ladies and gentlemen that will rest that will rest good tonight they're going to [31:33] sleep good talking for us the entire period that's right get them gone get them gone what's the [31:42] schedule here how long is this supposed to go through i went to blackhawk east madison college [31:48] in w madison we don't need nobody that's not from here speaking for us so here's a visitor and somebody [31:54] gonna let him know that so here's the thing so here's the thing look this is not your show here's [32:11] the thing we all witnessed on social media last night a human being take the life of another human [32:17] b we were all there stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it clod stop it clod impeding our space [32:25] hey hey this this negro only buy clod get up out of here clod ain't no sir i don't coddle or [32:32] capitulate to your hierarchy and i don't know what type of black man you used to be in around but you [32:37] not gonna disrespect women like that my brother that's right that's what you gonna do because i'm [32:40] like that i know you're not i'm like that i'm like that do it show me how like that you are then [32:48] show me if you like that young man i ain't here for that i ain't here for that i'm i'm not here for [32:53] a good time right right right i don't so y'all [32:57] i feel great i feel great i feel good i'm the happiest i've been in years right here in madison [33:21] wisconsin [33:39] like i was trying to say we witnessed the murder now if it have been my black ass murdered somebody [33:44] in the street y'all to have me in jail right now there should be accountability officer [33:50] patterson that's all i'm saying so then we got to disrupt we got to disrupt because y'all not [33:55] y'all gonna capitulate we know the script you you are i'm sorry you are part of the professional [34:01] managerial class and you seem to be trying to tell me to not do what i'm doing right here [34:06] that's what we love you know because i don't have to put my body on the line at least please come [34:10] closer to me oh no so so what i'm saying to you is out of if you love me if you love me as a black [34:17] woman you are not going to walk out of this way excuse me i feel like you're trying to make me feel [34:22] guilty for standing up for injustice i'm sorry i don't i mean i think it's not cool and i'm going to [34:28] continue hey i hear you no ain't no stand i just hey i just told you the logics of it a human [34:35] being killed another human being we need those young people in jail we need those pigs in jail [34:40] tonight we need those pigs are those pigs going to jail tonight that's right where they at no i am [34:48] listening and that's what you're not understanding you look man look i look brother please leave me [34:53] alone i'm begging we ain't gonna talk later i'm never gonna talk to you i don't coddle or or negotiate [35:00] with anybody that stands along the side of fascism but let you finish talking [35:06] our men men are supposed to be able to have conversations human beings are you don't get [35:14] some human beings i'm not monopolizing this ain't no monopolizing this is a movement this is not my [35:20] movement they can strike me down today and these people right here gonna continue this ain't my [35:26] movement you out your mind that young man out of his mind that young man out of his mind [35:31] every voice matter i know and every black person [35:38] he can't damn it right he's not the only black one in this world [35:48] well that's what he a black man that ain't gonna kiss this white man ain't nobody kissing our ass [35:52] up in here yes you are ain't nobody kissing your ass up in here [35:55] and brother you swell up with this young lady i beat your ass you swell up with this young lady [36:04] and here i beat your ass in front of the police you swear [36:22] i want some i want some answers i want some answers we the people want some answers [36:26] you can't get an answer you say they can't talk okay so we want answers to this question right here [36:34] we're here in madison wisconsin with all these good people in front of these police these imperialist [36:41] hey i'm not calling you a pig but you got on that badge so i got to put you there and my question is [36:47] at what what charges are going to be drawn to the racist police to the racist police that killed that young [36:55] man so i'm gonna get to the side i'm i'm gonna get to the side so officer patterson can talk right [37:03] now because there's can media leave the room please and i'm talking to my bro right here [37:54] if i find you in my space or aggressing towards me in any future after i walk out this door [38:00] acts about the story hey we would like to hear what are the repercussions from the police what's [38:10] going to happen to them racist police officers y'all know what to do i'll give you that respect [38:15] this police chief don't just know me from walking around lord he knows me [38:31] we can easily have a conversation so so mr chief patterson please continue on with what you got to [38:37] say and please respond to any questions that is asked when you open the floor i will highly appreciate that [38:43] and i'm pretty sure everybody else in this room would too we're gonna stay here either with them [38:47] either with him we're gonna let him talk let me talk all right okay i appreciate you being here [39:02] i know this is tough and i before you before you got here there's no speakers in here i'll talk [39:11] okay the mic this is not amplified yeah i gotta be able to talk i mean clearly i and i talked about it [39:24] before you came in here but clearly trust is not you want me to go back to process clay yeah okay [39:39] all right what i said before you got here is that this this is a anytime in the state there's [39:45] a process that involves when that when a death occurs uh involving a police officer this is an open [39:53] an active homicide investigation okay so in accordance [40:01] i will say you're gonna let him finish let him finish my friend i will take every question you have [40:07] of me okay i just i just want to get through this because i think you i'm saying you that's what you [40:19] said bro all right all right clyde clyde clyde please clyde clyde clyde i'm trying here man please [40:33] clyde clyde clyde please i'm not amplified over here i'm trying you guys please please please [41:01] all right here's what i'd like to do i'd like to i'd like to just let's i'm going to repeat myself [41:34] but in accordance with state statute in long-standing practice here we've we've called for a thorough and [41:41] independent criminal investigation into yesterday's shooting so at the request of us the department of [41:49] justice division of criminal investigation they're often called dci they're going to lead this homicide [41:55] investigate investigation we are not leading it so their statewide agency if you're not familiar with [42:02] them they have significant experience and expertise in leading expectations or investigations excuse me [42:08] related to police involved shootings they're fully in charge of this investigation they're not taking [42:13] guidance from us they're not taking direction from us they are in charge during these investigations [42:19] they responded to have a thorough investigation including creating their own reports and documents [42:25] so they will release the name of the officer who fired the shots from his firearm at some [42:30] point in this investigation and i hope it is very soon so once all available facts and information [42:38] are gathered they then take their investigation to the district attorneys for review as a criminal [42:45] investigation as a potential criminal investigation there this process exists precisely so that no [42:51] department in this state investigates itself or its own actions i'm not going to stand there and off [42:57] i'm here and offer a verdict or opinion because if i do that as your chief of police that's going [43:03] to jeopardize the independence of the investigation that we all want the department of criminal investigation [43:13] is leading it right now they're actively investigating this they're they're a state agency i i am [43:19] telling you with a street-faced department of criminal investigations we are going to cooperate fully [43:27] with dci and we will not hide from any aspect of this investigation i assure all of you that [43:35] i'll just finish let me finish my thoughts okay let me let me finish let me finish okay so i i had like [43:51] i said i've been thinking a lot today about about a chief that was our chief for 21 years his name was [43:55] david cooper uh he used community policing as a casual or he used community policing before it was a casual [44:04] phrase that i think a lot of people use and he stressed that we can't do this job without all of you we [44:08] need our community everyone in our community to do our job effectively and he also said that that [44:15] force used by us it's it's a sacred and public trust and the more force that we use the less trust [44:24] that we're going to have in our community i think that means please please let me finish [44:35] so i'm going to tell you so we can all we cannot let me finish thank you i appreciate it i think everyone [44:54] in this room can feel the thinness of trust in this city right now right i can feel it it did not start [45:02] yesterday and it's not abstract it's a direct result i think of what our community has gone through and [45:07] we have watched repeat same stretch of street more than once i'm not going to stand at this podium and [45:13] tell you that this press conference is going to solve anything i know that it won't i want to tell [45:20] you what i'm committed to doing right now and the first is transparency we'll release information about [45:25] this incident as quickly and as completely as possible as the integrity of dci's investigation [45:30] allows and the state law requires this includes sharing information with the office of independent [45:36] police monitor as we can within local ordinance and within this state law we're not going to use an [45:43] active investigation as a reason to not share we're going to push for transparency i'm going to hold [45:49] the department to that and hold myself to that and the second is action we're not going to wait for a [45:53] final report from dci to begin the work of examining our policies our training and response we're going [45:59] to do that now the review has to start now and it can't wait third is accountability if this [46:07] investigation finds that policy training judgment failed yesterday i will say it publicly and we'll [46:13] fix it we must allow the independent investigation to occur so whenever accountability is needed it must [46:21] not only apply to the individual officer it has to apply to the police department as well [46:25] if to do otherwise would be a deflection and i'm not going to do that to this community that's [46:31] embracing me for a long time most of what the public scene saw yesterday came from that bystander's [46:38] phone not from this department i was asked by some of you about body wearing cameras as you know we [46:48] don't have a broad deployment of body wearing cameras in madison and i understand that this fact [46:53] does create another challenge to repairing trust in our community [46:56] we don't have body wearing cameras i think i think this family deserves real answers not just a press [47:09] conference they deserve a department and the community deserves a police department worthy of [47:15] the trust needed to serve the community i intend to spend whatever i have whatever time i have in this [47:21] job continuing that work not because it's easy but again i can't do this job and our police department [47:26] can't do their job without all of you i intended to repeat some of what i said yesterday because we do have [47:33] new faces in this room so i'd like to take a minute to do that an officer with the police department [47:42] madison police department yesterday was involved in a shooting on the city's near east side in the [47:47] marquette neighborhood dispatched to a call just before 1 p.m for a person who was allegedly involved [47:54] checking parked vehicles dci is also investigating other calls from community members which may have also [48:02] involved the same person including one where there was a report of a male attempting to enter an [48:08] occupied home this likely caused more officers to respond to the area the officers located the man [48:16] described they attempted to contact him he fled on a bike he traveled through backyards they connected [48:22] with him again at the intersection of baldwin street and williamson street around 1 30 p.m i still don't [48:27] know if he fell off the bike or if he was taken off the bike that's still being determined by dci [48:34] a struggle obviously ensued with officers in the middle of that intersection at some point [48:40] a knife was pulled out and produced it was a fixed blade knife that was the picture that was shared [48:46] yesterday this occurred while the physical tussle was occurring as they were attempting to [48:54] to arrest him a taser was deployed it was not successful and i don't know why dci is looking into [49:01] that i don't know why it was unsuccessful the officer who sustained injuries from the knife [49:08] was the same officer that fired the shots i don't even have those verifications right now so dci dci has [49:17] that information um i i don't i don't have it i understand there are injuries from the knife is what [49:28] i'm told i haven't seen them i haven't even seen him i don't know so a second a second officer was injured [49:35] but not we don't think by the knife i don't know how that person uh how that officer was injured um [49:40] i don't know officers tried life-saving measures uh he was taken to an area hospital and we all know [49:49] that he tragically passed away and i i know this is uh this is hard in this moment but i i honestly and [49:58] sincerely um express my sympathy to his family his entire family so so the officer who fired his weapon [50:12] and all of the others are on administrative leave while this plays out with dci it's standard practice [50:20] it's standard practice they're off the street they're on admin leave and while this investigation [50:25] takes place that does several things including and most importantly allows for flexibility to get [50:31] interviews with dci done as quickly as possible so this situation was clearly dangerous and i'm going [50:42] to finish and i'll take i'll try to take as many questions as possible okay i promise uh it involved a [50:48] knife it was clearly dangerous um i am incredibly saddened by this loss of life uh wisconsin again dci is [51:09] now um independently investigating this incident because of our involvement uh we're aware of several [51:15] videos circulating around uh the incident i encourage you to the extent you can to to know that not all [51:24] perspectives are had right now we don't we have not seen them all i haven't seen them all um there's a [51:31] narrative i want to say one thing though there's a narrative that's been circulating around that i [51:34] have to address uh it was last night through the night suggesting that he was handcuffed before he [51:40] was shot i have seen video that i don't believe that was the case and i don't know if others have [51:45] seen it other i just i just felt i had to say that because it's been it's been going around by others [51:52] i will i commit to you i will be in frequent contact i'm going to be in frequent contact with dci daily [52:04] i commit to that i am i'm going to push as hard as i can for as much information for them to share [52:12] with all of us as quickly as possible as soon as possible while maintaining the independence of the [52:18] investigation i want transparency i want accountability i want open communication but but i [52:26] also want an independent investigation and i i think we all have to remember we can't jeopardize that [52:31] i understand that these things all have to happen if we're ever even going to consider being able to [52:40] regain your trust those were the comments i wanted to say i want to give pastor allen from mount zion [52:46] baptist an opportunity to speak and then i will stay and i'll answer as many questions as i can thank you [52:53] i want to say uh the emotions that the young man just presented here that's how all of us are really [52:59] feeling uh we have been challenged by this um for many many years um and it seems as if when we see that [53:08] happen to someone a black or brown body has happened to one of our brothers as sabrina was saying our [53:14] brothers or someone that we're related to but that pain is is felt by all of us because it has become so [53:21] consistent um the challenge that we often face with that after all of the marching after all of the yelling [53:28] that we do after all of the protesting things just go back to the same way and so i think our [53:35] intentionality is to ensure um that we continue as sabrina also stated the pressure of asking the [53:42] right questions talking to the right people and making sure things are happening um to the benefit of our [53:49] community um and so we we are here today and first let us honor or recognize that a life was lost [53:58] no matter how much we are angry how much we upset no matter what the investigation or the rules or the laws [54:04] are somebody lost a father a brother a son uncle a life a grandson a life was lost and for me as a pastor [54:16] i deal with deaf and dying and people that endure so a loved one passing away sometimes it's in the hospital [54:23] sometimes it's sudden because of a heart attack but the challenge now this family has to watch [54:29] their loved one die on camera and i'm challenged by that because even my children um they see see this [54:37] our kids are seeing this trauma lived out before their very eyes stated of the day you know i served in [54:44] the united states army for ten and a half years i didn't see a dead body till i was in iraq or afghanistan and [54:49] now my kids are constantly seeing this i'm also challenged by this because um i've seen soldiers 18 19 [54:58] year olds de-escalate situations without no one dying so i'm really challenged challenged by that [55:06] and and wondering you know what what are our practices what are what are we doing to make sure [55:11] we just de-escalating situations and i understand things happen fast but what are we really what are [55:17] intentions um for to ensure that everyone makes it home safe it's a dangerous job it's challenging [55:26] but how are we making sure everyone makes it home home safe so we stand with the family we stand with [55:32] the community um and we want to be intentional about mental health services and on um every thursday at [55:42] mount zion baptist church we have free drop in mental health services uh from 10 to 2 p.m so if you [55:48] know anyone who stands in the need of that please come out for that we are calling as chief and the mayor [55:55] and the president sabrina madison stated we're calling for truth uh we're calling for transparency [56:01] and accountability uh because we want to make sure what's going on is actually happen and be taken [56:09] care of and not just again just giving walking with words but we want to see actions happen we don't just [56:16] want words we want we want to think actions happen um and so this moment calls for courage but it also [56:23] calls for compassion um and our role my role as a pastor in the church and i represent the african [56:30] american council of churches that we'll be here to uh have that comfort for the hurting but we also will [56:36] seek without fear or favoritism the truth and also accountability for those uh who played in part and [56:43] uh taking this young man's life dr king suggests true peace is not merely the absence of tension it is [56:51] the pr is also in the presence of justice so it's going to be a lot of tension it's going to be a lot of [56:56] hurt feelings it's going to be a lot of people being upset but how do we come together and as a [57:02] community and make sure um that accountability is being held and uh people are being um people who [57:10] are hurting are being taken serious in this moment thank you i have two questions first question once [57:21] dci is done with their investigation from my understanding dci does not they don't um present [57:29] like an action that comes from it they do the investigation they give you all the information [57:34] from my understanding the police department is upcoming of you then to make a decision and if you [57:39] make a decision on what the disciplinary um actions are is that is that the understanding so [57:45] typically my is they they present to the da the da makes their decision what that what's going to [57:55] occur uh and then we do an internal investigation after that decision so we don't start that prior to [58:03] so that we're not disrupting decisions as to you know swaying it one way or the other so once that [58:09] process with dci and the da is done that is largely going to um you know steer the initial steps of the [58:16] internal investigation so then the da depart the da can determine to press charges against the officer [58:22] based on the dci that is solely the da's decision yes your investigation second question [58:29] is there a precedence that we have seen in the city of madison that places officers on administrative leave [58:34] without pay because my biggest thing is that taxpayer dollars are going to someone who killed a person [58:43] in our streets and so for me it's like yes we can place them on administrative leave but is there [58:47] precedence that place non-administrative leave without pay yes there there's no precedence for that uh you [58:54] know as you know we're guided by collective bargaining agreements by labor law uh the precedence is [59:00] administrative leave with pay and i know that a lot of these situations this issue comes up [59:05] it does not sit well with a lot of people i understand that that is the process that i have [59:09] available to me and so the only way to suffocate that is to go to the police unit which is bargaining [59:16] on behalf it would take changes in bargaining and changes in and perhaps labor law minus [59:24] i've had contact with with the i am uh here me class uh we are committed to working with the independent [59:35] monitor this is a very challenging situation because we have two bodies that need to conduct [59:42] independent investigations one which we are going to follow because it's guided by state law which [59:47] supersedes our ordinances is the the review per state statute of this open homicide investigation [59:54] i have to follow that it's state law i'm not going to violate state law and so we will try to find the [1:00:00] best scene that we can with that law and work as well with with the office of the independent monitor now [1:00:07] there are things that we may be able to share quickly that are not going to jeopardize the the [1:00:12] state investigation and we'll share those as quickly as possible i have received the request to my [1:00:22] knowledge we have not yet provided anything uh because again like i said as in part of the independent [1:00:27] investigation large amounts the majority are going to be created by this independent agency not by us [1:00:33] but again i think like i said there's a very challenging uh circumstance in front of me where [1:00:43] there's a state law that guides us on what we do when this occurs and then obviously madison is unique [1:00:48] with an office of independent police monitor guided by ordinance we we're going to work with the im [1:00:54] we're going to work with our our team we're going to work with the department of criminal investigations [1:01:01] and we'll figure out exactly what we can share and win as quickly as possible [1:01:12] so again uh i've seen the exact same information that you're talking about i i again you know as your [1:01:20] police chief i'm trying to stay true to the independent uh investigation team they uh will release [1:01:26] it but um i believe this is absolutely correct i am asking for as quick of a release of as much [1:01:32] information as humanly possible no i was talking about mr roots as well yes a question for the mayor [1:01:42] made bedroom floor no no you mentioned the lack of bodyboard cameras this is so much any conversations [1:01:57] around getting those department okay so as i think most of you know the chief and the police department [1:02:08] have requested in their budgets uh submittal that the city budget include body worn cameras [1:02:16] in the future and this has been a conversation that our community has been having for a very long time [1:02:22] and my executive budget is not public yet but i can tell you that when it becomes public [1:02:28] it will include a body worn camera program for the city of madison [1:02:37] the chief and i have talked about this multiple times not since this incident and i have talked with [1:02:44] alders again over years and it is complicated but the last time the council voted on it [1:02:51] and they chose not to fund a program and that's complicated and but i think i would be confident [1:03:01] that there will be support on the council for this i do want to say that and before we implement a full [1:03:08] body worn camera program it's very important for us to have the correct policies in place i know there's [1:03:14] been some discussion about that in the past and in the public and that is something that i've communicated [1:03:19] to the chief and i hope that the council will be involved in and and crafting that policy before [1:03:26] we run it i'm sorry that's an excellent question i mean i think that right now this is can i can i [1:03:39] answer the question can i answer the question thank you and there's been a lot of conversation about that [1:03:45] policy but this is the first time that we have had i mean this will be the first time when we release [1:03:52] the budget that the money has been in the budget to actually have a program and so this is the first [1:04:02] time that it's been real that we would need a policy it's a right so we have not funded body worn [1:04:14] cameras in the past so we haven't had them so we haven't needed to have a policy for them now that we [1:04:21] will have them we need to have a policy for them i don't think that will be a long process well the [1:04:34] budget takes impact the budget takes effect in january so i would be absolutely positive that we [1:04:40] could do it by then that will be part of the policy conversation no i won't be making the policy no yeah [1:04:55] well i just wanted to no no i just wanted to make sure i clarify some things from speaking from the common [1:05:02] council and the policy wait what i don't i wait just let me just let me just level set let me just [1:05:10] level set i am not here i am not here to use this as an opportunity to elevate myself do they give [1:05:25] a do they tell you the direction that this investigation needs to go do they give you any type of [1:05:32] recommendations because at the end you all can read it says that dci did not provide any recommendations [1:05:42] they do not do anything of the sort to hide behind that and present it as something that it is not [1:05:48] it's unhonest so let's be honest so thank you so but before before the chief answers your question i do [1:05:55] want to make sure i clarify from you from the common council standpoint so in 2025 there were several [1:06:01] orders who wanted to defund the office of the independent monitor somewhere around i believe their [1:06:05] budget maybe 440 000 or so something like that and so um alders did not want to see the office [1:06:12] decimated dismantle ruined unfunded so offers i think alders voted maybe 17 to 3 to keep the [1:06:20] funding that the office has in their budget because i would imagine we all know that body [1:06:25] wearing cameras are quite expensive so 400 000 400 000 would not have made a big dent at all also what [1:06:31] happened at that conversation last year is that we had a conversation on the floor with chief patterson [1:06:36] you can literally this is the other thing i want to say is everything i'm saying is public record [1:06:40] this is all recorded it is all on video it's all the emails all it's all findable but in that [1:06:45] conversation we had on the floor with chief patterson the common council committed to going [1:06:49] into the next year because the temporary men's shelter was going to become the permanent men's [1:06:54] shelter this year so now that we have secured permanent shelter for some of the most vulnerable [1:06:59] folks in the city i think the con the con the common council last year was a bit more [1:07:05] we can do the body-worn cameras now so i expect i have not heard that any alders don't support body [1:07:10] one cameras this year at all and i also want to just make sure i clarify because i've gotten this [1:07:14] question probably 100 plus times like why don't we have cameras well before we got this far the [1:07:20] community did not want us to have cameras just yet without some things in place so the community [1:07:25] advocated against implementation of body-worn cameras for some years and then more importantly more [1:07:31] recently the community took a different turn and supports body-worn cameras and i think there [1:07:37] there are cameras everywhere but just more importantly where the common council is hearing from residents [1:07:42] they're coming in to speak to common council i was not on the council at the time but in the time that [1:07:46] i've been on the council the support for body-worn cameras has increased and they'll be funded i'm [1:07:52] confident that they'll be funded so let's let's talk about it it's helene or helen helen helen so [1:08:01] you said i was i guess i i just need to make sure i can i want to answer your question pretty well [1:08:07] because i like to clarify things so when you say that i am police do you mind defining that for me [1:08:14] that you write amendments that take away from the independence of the monitor we have to spend time [1:08:20] on your amendments that limit our independence instead of actually providing vigilance over [1:08:26] the police department so okay so every time you do that sure nick away at our independence sure now [1:08:32] let me reply to you so one i did not write the amendments right no no so i just want to i'm [1:08:38] answering your questions i gave you i listened to you correct i've always the the year that i worked on [1:08:43] restoring money for greg galemic's position i think we restored i was able to restore 126 on my [1:08:49] thousand dollars for maybe a position or something else in the office i don't know if i was police [1:08:53] then or police now what the difference is but in short those amendments were not written by me [1:08:59] the thing that i know could you just let me finish when you are in council leadership whether that's [1:09:05] fortunate or unfortunately you sign up for it right i signed up to become a council president i was [1:09:10] elected unanimously to service coming council president the thing i did not know before being president [1:09:15] is some of the challenges that existed not about investigations not about the office's [1:09:19] independence not about them being able to do their job like to do investigations and you know [1:09:23] report on and accept reports and that sort of thing but just things like yesterday for example when [1:09:28] maya reached out to the office round i don't know maybe three o'clock if you may remember and she was [1:09:34] wanting some help hosting uh an agenda for a meeting that may be tonight or tomorrow night and when that [1:09:40] happened we have civil service employees in the coming council office right so greg for example is a civil [1:09:47] service employee so we those employees often or also are served by two different labor groups for [1:09:56] example those labor groups sets all kind of rules what they can do with overtime how long they can [1:10:01] work who can do for what right so when that happened i end up having to talk to the chief of staff about it [1:10:08] because our chief of staff has a four o'clock appointment so this is happening she has an appointment [1:10:13] there are two other staff one of the staff doesn't really know how to do this she's trying to hunt [1:10:17] down that third person who might be able to pitch in it looks like there was also an attempt to reach [1:10:22] the clerk's office we know clerk's office is busy with creating ballots and so when we had nacoal at the [1:10:27] common council meeting what tuesday night one thing that nacoal said to us is is is what we're doing [1:10:34] clarifying or restrictive now what i when i booked nacoal to come here the one thing i wanted to do is [1:10:39] someone who loves education is to provide us education so that would allow us to go back to [1:10:44] whatever whatever was drafted prior to us and go back and potentially make edits because i think [1:10:49] what i just want to i just want to finish i understand i think nope i'm trying to answer your [1:10:54] question no i'm answering your question fully yes yes nope yep yep let me finish let me finish yes let [1:11:04] me finish let me finish let me let me finish so in common council i have to be sometimes brought into [1:11:14] things and i'm not going to go into like the office dynamics that's not my road to like talk about all [1:11:19] it and i don't think you would want me to do all of it i'm i'm answering a question it's more so how [1:11:25] much do you want me to share open and publicly today oh okay so if so if the if the office of oh okay my [1:11:34] bad let me just say the reason i the reason i am continuing to sign on nope the reason that i am [1:11:39] continue to sign on to the amendment i just want you got your recording make sure i'm clear so i could [1:11:44] i can be heard is because i am still being brought into operational challenges however the amendments are [1:11:51] not final and because we got the education from naco from the law group i expect revisions i expect maybe [1:11:57] things are going to be pulled nope nope nope i ex i literally ex i literally expect things i think [1:12:04] they also think the no no no but wait no one had amendments they could have just died staff and the [1:12:35] office of the infinite monitor and you and i have worked quite productive yes yes yes um the pastor [1:12:43] referred to the distinction between words and actions um one of our core rights under existing amendment [1:12:54] is access to npd databases and and you heard nacle talk about the importance of direct access yes yes [1:13:06] please explain why you are sponsoring between you to sponsor an amendment that would eliminate [1:13:15] our capacity to have that access and therefore impede thank our investigation yep yep that's i'm so glad [1:13:22] that that is a great question greg the reason that i am still on a sponsor is because there is you know [1:13:28] greg knows if anybody else doesn't know there is a process for amendments before the common council [1:13:32] meets to vote on those amendments normally we're working with maybe the city attorney's office sometimes [1:13:37] going back i know the pclb may have a meeting coming up where you'll talk about some things but [1:13:42] we're working on it i expect the the unfettered thing to be removed i expect the thing about the [1:13:46] attorney stuff to be removed because those are things that where we're in conversations when i'm coming to your [1:13:51] meetings showing up listening to what you all have to say and because i i'm serving as coming council [1:13:56] president i'm also thinking like the operating thing what can i sort of help encourage in order [1:14:02] to so i don't have to be pulled into things if that makes sense so while i understand you the reason [1:14:07] that i'm still signed on is because i know it's a work in progress and it's not final so yeah [1:14:11] the reporters can we get like the reporters to just so you guys can get out of here real quick [1:14:16] if matt kenny is still on the police force why are we supposed to trust that this process will end [1:14:23] in accountability thank you oh yeah i want to know this is a question of integrity okay yep yes i'm ready [1:14:38] if i were to go through a database of publicly documented records yes i'm gonna tell you how this is how you find [1:14:47] all of my records you send an email yes oh you keep going then through those publicly documented [1:14:54] records would i find out that your non-profit received money from the city while you were a [1:15:01] sitting out of the person yep so you'll find in 2021 that our office received funding from the city [1:15:08] of madison for a grant that we were all funded yes i'm telling it to you yes that's that's against [1:15:17] the law you shouldn't have done that your trust is down so we received funding on a grant on i just [1:15:23] just to clear up for y'all oh no it's not you can look it up please look it up uh this is public [1:15:29] record there's no hiding it so i just want to make sure i answer you can look up the progress center for [1:15:34] black women the year that we got the grant i was not in alder and so then nope we were not i was not [1:15:40] an alder and then when i became an alder i separated myself from it and the grant ended the grant ended [1:15:50] and it was done oh no this is public but let me just tell you how to get my records you send an email [1:15:55] no no send an email send send an email to council at city of madison.com there we go release it [1:16:13] please repeat your question please repeat your question and let's give black women the space they [1:16:19] deserve in the road if matt kenny is still on the police force how are we supposed to trust that [1:16:41] this process is going to end in accountability it's exactly why i brought up historical trauma [1:16:49] and incidents that have occurred in the same neighborhood it's the same it's the same reason [1:16:55] uh that i brought it up and i i i feel like my job is to do my darndest to make sure that this [1:17:04] investigation is independent that i am not at all influencing that in any way that i'm not using [1:17:11] my position in any way to influence it i'm not using historical decisions that didn't involve frankly [1:17:19] anyone in this room but we're we have to ensure that this particular investigation has complete autonomy [1:17:28] from this police department we're going to cooperate fully with it we're not going to influence it [1:17:33] anything they need they're going to get from us period that's what i can assure you and i can't say [1:17:39] anything up here as you as you would suspect that is going to be able to address something that we [1:17:45] have all been talking about i have been talking about for over a decade you know that yes i want [1:17:52] i know you've had your hand up so please go ahead i'm sorry so uh my question is specific to uh police [1:17:57] training specifically with defense and arrest tax number one it's kind of a two-part question all [1:18:03] right so number one are your officers trained under that to use the least amount of force possible to [1:18:10] overcome a threat and if they choose to use deadly force do they have to evaluate uh say after each shot is [1:18:19] fired whether or not the threat is still there there there is a standard of of a threat of great [1:18:27] bodily harm or death that must be articulated to oneself or to someone else and so that is a standard that [1:18:33] dci will be evaluating when they start that is a standard we will use when we do our use of force review [1:18:39] you clearly have read from the dad uh curriculum that's good that's good and so i i that will happen [1:18:48] that will happen okay can i jump to her because she's also had her hand up and i'll come back to [1:18:52] you go ahead i saw on facebook had supposed to puncture um the police officer but then i got a witness [1:19:02] who saw the whole thing who called and said hey the night was found in his pocket once he was shot [1:19:10] i'm not i don't know i don't know that's up to dci to articulate i i and to find out and to [1:19:16] investigate i don't know i saw a photo of it on the pavement that's what was shared [1:19:20] i don't know how it was produced i don't know how it got to the pavement that's all part of their [1:19:24] investigation that they need to figure out after he was shot the officer was all four officers [1:19:30] including the officer that receives the injuries uh and the other officer that had injuries they all [1:19:36] were evaluated at the hospital uh and uh they've been released so yes um clarify the mayor said that [1:19:43] she would request fundings for a body camera program is that another pilot or is that no [1:19:48] no what i well i hope not but i what i requested and it's a full program okay do you know approximately [1:19:54] the price time for that and when that could be implemented um i don't have the numbers uh at the top [1:20:01] of mind but it's in the police department's capital budget request and i assume in their operating budget [1:20:08] request as well and which will be public soon and so you could go look at the capital budget request for [1:20:14] those numbers and the the program that the police proposed was a rollout of over multiple years [1:20:21] and i believe three years is that right chief yeah so there was proposed to roll out over three years [1:20:26] there is a capital cost for the equipment there's also an operating cost for the technical support and [1:20:32] then the records review that is required when you have more video and people obviously will request [1:20:39] that through through an open records process and they need more staff to review that video so that's [1:20:44] the operating cost that's for the office of independent monitor at pcov to be able to institute and [1:20:51] recommend policies for the rollout of these body-worn cameras so i haven't received the budget request [1:20:59] yet from the office of the independent monitor that will come as part of the operating budget [1:21:03] and we'll review that just like we review from any other agency and i'll review the request just [1:21:12] like every other agency comes in and we review it and we make a decision and we'll release the [1:21:16] executive operating budget i believe it's in october and we're [1:21:23] it was unsuccessful i don't [1:21:47] unsuccessful can mean a number of things it can mean the probes failed it can mean there wasn't [1:21:52] neuromuscular incapacitation for some reason it can mean a lot of things i don't know what happened [1:21:57] versus when they are considered still of course not incapacitated is there a period of time when [1:22:07] officers are supposed to wait to see if the taser is effective before pursuing other measures i am i'm [1:22:13] your chief i am not a use of force expert but i can tell you about the tasers when there's successful [1:22:17] deployment there typically is a five second time period that is delivered so when so let me say this but [1:22:27] say let me say this but that we have to be let me just finish we have to be careful with that because [1:22:35] if it's not successful you're not going to see the same results you're not going to see the same [1:22:40] uh you're not going to see this you're not but we are also trained we are also trained to hear what [1:22:50] the taser is telling us and often when there's an unsuccessful deployment for whatever reason i don't [1:22:56] know it could be bulky clothes it could be a probe mist or what have you you're going to hear something [1:23:01] different it's going to be audible it's going to be very loud in an instance where a weapon of any [1:23:11] sort is involved if less lethal is an option we're going to try to use that as often as possible to your [1:23:17] point so this is all going to be reviewed by dci i don't know what else to say on that our community [1:23:25] is going to mourn someone whose life was lost on willie street you all are members of madison's [1:23:31] community will you join us to mourn the life and continue to answer questions that community [1:23:36] members clearly have i yes i'll do my best can we i will talk about yes i'm sorry he's had his hand [1:23:50] hopefully very quick i know you just said you're not used to force expert nevertheless uh when [1:23:55] considering what a reasonable officer would have done in this sort of situation um in terms of [1:24:03] whether or not a reasonable officer would have would have uh would have used deadly force as [1:24:07] described under dat uh how is that evaluation affected when there's multiple officers involved [1:24:13] in the same situation but only one officer decides to use uh legal force in a way that i want to be [1:24:19] really careful and i'm not trying to dodge you but but i want to be really careful i don't want to [1:24:24] dodge you i mean that respectfully but we we all have to remember what i said you know me standing [1:24:29] here as your police chief if i steer my comments in a certain direction or i render something that's [1:24:34] viewed as an opinion that can affect the independent investigations i can't do that i can't do that [1:24:39] and so for that reason i i'm going to not give you a response that you may want right now i'm sorry [1:24:45] i just i just do not want to impact that investigation and no i appreciate that george i'm sorry i'm [1:24:49] going to get you i mean are you aware of any md officer that has been charged or convicted in the [1:24:54] past of actions while taken on the force george no i'm not i'm not uh yes ma'am i want to say that [1:25:03] we know by statistics that madison wisconsin is one of the racist one of the most racist states [1:25:09] we're here we're here we know the black people are here we know the government is trying to work [1:25:15] with all people here in madison wisconsin so we have seen us come so far um madison has been really [1:25:23] really quiet while the world has been turned upside down and yesterday our world is turned upside down [1:25:29] by a senseless death um i do believe that and this is my opinion that if that was [1:25:38] a white person he probably would not be dead today he probably would not have been murdered um yesterday [1:25:52] so i just want i'm just i'm here um can't say how everybody else thinks but i truly believe in person [1:26:03] that they probably can hear in your jail but not somebody's mother more i just want madison to be a [1:26:14] little aware and just one more thing we know that election time is coming up and this is very [1:26:19] very important for you this is to our children to our future children we ain't gonna vote our way out [1:26:30] the way that we make change is that we elect those oh no no i'm just talking real homie okay the way we [1:26:42] make change is changing laws and we have to rub elbows with those who are lawmakers and who can really [1:26:50] change laws because we don't want to live like this we don't want to go back to where our parents used [1:26:55] to live we don't want to um the racism there's no place for racism work within the lord so do you [1:27:04] that that's where i'm going with it so we need to work let's work together [1:27:08] let me let me just get to her please and yeah go ahead i'll get you great i promise [1:27:23] between the man that died and the officer who shot him were there any previous encounters that you had [1:27:28] i don't know [1:27:48] my main concern has been the cost given the very severe limitations that the state puts on our budget [1:27:54] and i think when we initially got the estimates from the pilot there was a very large price tag [1:28:03] and the chief has worked to bring that price tag down in various ways and and so it's really just [1:28:08] about you know the state very severely limits our budget both in terms of what we can raise and what [1:28:16] we can spend and i have to present a balanced budget so i think with it being at a lower price tag [1:28:22] it's doable body cameras are not a solution they are they are part of a solution but they are not the [1:28:43] solution yeah i mean i i look i wanted i'm gonna get back here and look at i want to get to the press [1:29:11] and i'll stick around as long as you want me to all right [1:29:25] we mentioned that before i don't know i don't know i i understand he was injured [1:29:30] i don't know what the injuries look like if they don't you guys push that paperwork to investigate [1:29:37] this as a homicide why is those pigs not in jail they you you your your department said hey this is [1:29:44] a homicide we're gonna push this as a homicide why are those people not in jail answer that question [1:29:49] what is the reason they are not in jail what is the reason they are not in jail mr patterson answer [1:29:56] it's an in douglas right yeah it's it's an independent investigation that i can't tell them in any [1:30:04] aspect yesterday douglas uh mr patterson i mean if i committed a homicide yesterday and i walked in [1:30:11] here today and there were charges being investigating investigating me for a homicide where would i be right [1:30:17] now officer paterson great please go ahead a question by the gentleman earlier who was asking [1:30:27] about multiple shot proportionality of forests there were recommendations from the mpd policy [1:30:33] procedure review ad hoc committee around force that have never been implemented by mpd those [1:30:39] recommendations actually originated with then representative chris taylor who's now a supreme [1:30:44] court justice um when if ever does mpd expect to implement those recommendations around use of [1:30:50] force no i appreciate you asking that question great uh three years ago we went through a strategic [1:30:55] planning process we attempted to include all of the recommendations from both the oir group from the [1:31:01] ad hoc committee group from the controlling center who also issued recommendations i understand that [1:31:07] there is some feelings that maybe that wasn't done well enough and maybe they weren't reflected well [1:31:12] enough we are committed to working with your office committed to working with pcob committed to working [1:31:18] with the entire community to bring those recommendations back review what's been done review what needs to [1:31:23] happen if there's reasons why they can't happen i need to respond to that and and explain why if that [1:31:28] hasn't been done it will happen like with a lot of law enforcement inputs like over a period of years [1:31:37] so the the can't happen is questionable i do i understand your willingness to work with us i am absolutely [1:31:42] willing to do that great mr patrick gets a huge amount of money we know that you work with community [1:31:55] leaders your organization works with community leaders here in madison but unfortunately and not [1:32:02] just the murder that happened yesterday even murders around the city we know that you guys invest a large [1:32:09] amount of money into let's talk nonprofits we know that you invest a lot into churches we know that you [1:32:16] invest a lot into what are they called sororities we know that all of this funding we know we know that a [1:32:26] lot of this funding goes towards programs through nonprofits okay we know that what we're what i'm asking [1:32:35] here is that open the verizon we have we have other community leaders we have other folks who work [1:32:43] with children sit them at the table look at their programs let's see what's working and what's not working [1:32:51] if we continue to invest our money into what's not working it is a losing battle all the way [1:32:57] so what i'm requesting is that you know open up to this what can work give it a chance because it's not [1:33:08] working it's not working it hasn't worked for a very long time i'm going to say something because the answer [1:33:17] to my question you guys is imperialism which is the absolute the structure of why this pig will go free [1:33:26] and we have to attack that any other questions about funding another non-profit is is is us being bamboosy [1:33:33] we better attack imperialism or we will get no results [1:33:36] actually answer that question just to be clear did the did you recommend that the investigation is [1:33:47] handled as a homicide or was that this is this is an open homicide investigation period we asked for the [1:33:54] criminal investigation okay so with that being said why isn't that gentleman arrested again again [1:34:06] no just said because he was a police officer [1:34:09] he's being protected by imperialism imperialism is the policies that protect these people [1:34:15] if that is what it is then just tell us [1:34:18] i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i can say with 100 certainty [1:34:53] that i i know well not every not every police officer has that background many of us do all of [1:35:06] us have a level of crisis intervention training some officers have far greater levels if they're [1:35:12] members of our mental health unit if they're mental health liaisons they have elevated it absolutely is [1:35:19] standard and if we need to expand it that's when i when i promised you action in a review of policy and [1:35:25] training and training and response that includes everything it's not just use of force we will [1:35:30] look at everything we will try to garner as many lessons as we can on this book how can we ensure [1:36:08] that the pcov independent monitor is not attacked by the police department they have i have sat back [1:36:15] and watched the abuse that that that that this individual in their program has endured and we need to [1:36:23] kill that needs to stop sabrina in the mirror left like we i need you i need you as my chief to kill [1:36:32] that noise that needs to stop like there needs to be transparency with the monitor the disrespect to this [1:36:40] black woman needs to stop like we can't get anywhere where the pettiness is thriving like and i've seen it [1:36:49] and i'm not even sitting at this table or that table i've watched the videos but these people [1:36:55] are trying to help you guys and they're not being treated as partners they're being treated as your [1:37:00] opposition and we need that to stop i hope that my history frankly that you are somewhat familiar with [1:37:15] yes carries a little weight i have tried and i will continue to try to do everything i can to [1:37:22] collaborate with with arameek with greg with the office with the pcob i think it's important i [1:37:29] believe in community input i think communities should have a say in what justice looks like in their [1:37:33] neighborhood that includes the pcob that includes the oim it includes all the other organizations that [1:37:41] she was talking about no no i'm not saying are you willing to hear what she needs to have happen [1:37:48] immediately for that relationship to even i have and from greg like can we give them i'm always [1:37:54] willing to to meet with them and talk with them yes so i just want to say that folks need time to get [1:38:00] to over to the visual and i just want to honor that we do have families coming out so i just want to make [1:38:05] sure community is over there supporting uh chief and assistant chief has said that they will try to come out [1:38:11] um and if you could just take off the shirt you know do whatever you got to do um and because you [1:38:19] guys have to do that and willing to answer questions so i just want to make sure everybody has enough [1:38:25] time and just wanted to remind community of that i have one question we know that homeless is willie [1:38:30] willie street is homeless i've dealt with the homeless uh you're in cold have your have your police [1:38:50] been trained to deal with not only homelessness but mental health um homelessness people we know that [1:38:59] unfortunately that they're being at no having no one you know to to be there or back them up but this [1:39:13] community that's all they have is this community so you know i think that they need to be trained on [1:39:19] really how to deal with the mental health and the homelessness because we know that that's what really [1:39:24] street is that's where they reside one better i think that baby girl is a new prison extension that [1:39:33] has cells that we do have actively homeless people in madison okay this would have been a mental health [1:39:41] crisis if people just had a home i was like briefly almost like a week and it was stressful as if i were [1:39:47] on the street like permanently i would be like okay you're so unwell it's insane [1:39:52] it's true and let's talk about like open connoers is not so much about that [1:40:04] said that they would not ticket homeless people because of existing on the street and yet on willie [1:40:10] street we are seeing your homeless neighborhood officers ticketing homeless people for existing [1:40:17] people so i don't know the details helen i don't know the details of that but you know we're [1:40:22] committed to doing a restorative discussion with the sjc i don't know the details so i i can't i can't [1:40:29] comment on specific instances we are we are trying to because i do not want to hear that this there was [1:40:46] so what they need to do is not only look at that call that i've referenced but look at the [1:41:17] other calls where there was a similar description and see if this is in fact the same individual [1:41:23] that's all part of their investigation and that will all be hopefully included uh in their report [1:41:29] chief you mentioned the other day as far as you know the officer was a veteran officer [1:41:35] uh could you give a little bit more details on how long they've been on the force whether or not [1:41:39] they had a supervisor role and also whether or not there's any um complained or disciplinary history [1:41:45] that you're i don't have that information he is a veteran officer multiple years i i don't know [1:41:51] exactly his tenure uh not a supervisor is what i can say so 11 thank you correct all 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