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Politics Chat, October 6, 2026

Heather Cox Richardson October 13, 2026 57m 9,424 words
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About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of Politics Chat, October 6, 2026 from Heather Cox Richardson, published October 13, 2026. The transcript contains 9,424 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.

"Hey folks from West Virginia, thank you for the early birthday. You all know what I want for my birthday this year. I'm not going to be more specific. That was a totally inappropriate thing to say, of course. Moorhead, Kentucky, Prospect, Connecticut, Canyon Lake, Texas, Old City, Philadelphia...."

[0:03] Hey folks from West Virginia, thank you for the early birthday. You all know what I want for my [0:09] birthday this year. I'm not going to be more specific. That was a totally inappropriate thing [0:14] to say, of course. Moorhead, Kentucky, Prospect, Connecticut, Canyon Lake, Texas, Old City, [0:21] Philadelphia. Pretty sure I'm going to be in Philadelphia in a few days. I am going to talk [0:26] about San Diego, Cape Cod, Amory, Wisconsin. Hey, by the way, wasn't that a cool story I wrote about [0:32] the other day about the history of fish in America? I love that stuff. Long Island, New York, [0:40] East Tennessee, checking in, Toronto, Wales, the swamps of Jersey, and Nibley, Utah. I'm not going [0:52] to try and pronounce that town in Washington. I get in trouble when I mispronounce things. [0:55] And I am still not seeing Facebook here. Mobile, Alabama is on YouTube. Falmouth from Cape Cod. Oh, [1:05] speaking of, right? Falmouth causes such a problem because, of course, when the British attacked the [1:14] town of what is now Portland, Maine, it was called Falmouth at the time. And now it's Portland, [1:20] Maine, but there's a town nearby it that is Falmouth now. And both of them were in Massachusetts. [1:25] And, of course, there's another Falmouth, Massachusetts. So every time I try and write [1:30] about those, I'm like, okay, it's not that one or that one, but it's that one. And it's got a [1:36] different name. But so anyway, Glenallen, California, Florida. Where are my Facebook people here? Oh, [1:43] there we go. We got somebody here from Facebook I just saw when I went by. And Winchester, Virginia, [1:48] still the home of that fabulous pizza place that we had such a good time at. And Facebook is here. [1:52] Terrific. Okay. Hey, everybody. I am back home for a few days. And I'm going to get to your [1:58] questions now. But I think I'm going to give you a big picture to the degree that I can because there [2:03] is so much going on right now. And to that end, I want to start back with what happened in the 2024 [2:14] election. Not everything that happened in the 2024 election. There's this lot of stuff that went on. [2:19] But one of the things that Trump did really effectively and his supporters really did [2:25] effectively, especially Elon Musk, who came on board in the last few weeks of that election to [2:32] elect Trump and Republicans and poured close to $300 million into that election, which is bonkers. [2:40] And one of the first things we have to do is get rid of the Citizens United decision from the Supreme [2:45] Court that permits people to do that. But one of the things that they managed to do was to get a lot [2:52] of people who were not necessarily political animals, but were political adjacent to like the Trump [3:00] message. And this would be the people who were involved in health-related issues that made them [3:09] adjacent to the Make America Healthy Again agenda, or people who were male adjacent, so they were part of the [3:17] podcast bro world, the manosphere, if you will. Lots of places where they managed to put together a lot of [3:25] different interest groups that are in different interests that weren't necessarily firmly in the Republican camp. And they did it in a [3:37] way that if you listen to me, you know, I kept saying he's promising the opposite things to people, he'll go to one [3:43] place and make one kind of a speech, and someplace else and make the exact opposite speech. And this isn't going to play [3:49] well, because at the end of the day, somebody is going to be disappointed because you can't be wet and dry at the exact same [3:55] time, which was essentially what he was promising. But what came out of that when he won the election was was two [4:02] things. First of all, he and his loyalists insisted that he had won a mandate. Now, this is something you see a lot in [4:10] American politics, really, since the 19, maybe even the 20s, the 2000s, where so many people voted for you, you just [4:20] have that you can ram through whatever it is, because you have a mandate. And in fact, and George W. Bush talked about [4:27] having a mandate, even though he, of course, lost the popular vote. But this was true with Trump, he kept [4:33] insisting he had a mandate, when in fact, in the 2024 election, more people voted for somebody other than [4:41] him, than voted for him. Because of course, there was not only Kamala Harris on the ticket, but other people [4:46] as well, or on the on the, the up for election, but other people as well. So they, they argued that they had [4:54] this mandate to change American society really profoundly, along a number of lines, that are [5:02] actually not popular. So one of the things that they rolled out in the summer of 2024, was project 2025, [5:09] which you've all heard about at this point, but that was so unpopular that when people heard about it, [5:15] the number of people who wanted to see the measures in it enacted, were about 4% of the American people. [5:21] And this is the white Christian nationalist version of American history. That very long project, [5:27] you can still find it online. But it was extraordinarily unpopular. So Trump ran away [5:32] from it and said, I have nothing to do with it. I don't know who those people are. And so on. Of course, [5:36] we know that that was right all along that in fact, they did intend to put that into place. And that's [5:41] exactly what's happened. And it's no more popular now than it was. In fact, it's less popular now [5:46] than it was back in the summer of 2024, when he ran away from it. So that's an example of one of the [5:53] things that he did that turned out not to be popular. And another thing was that he kept talking [5:58] about how he was going to get rid of the criminals, the criminal immigrants who were in this country. [6:04] And then he often used the words rapists and murderers. But what people didn't understand, [6:12] even though folks like me were talking about it a lot, was that in Trump 1.0, the Trump administration [6:18] had redefined anybody who was in this country without documentation as being a criminal. In fact, [6:26] that's not a criminal offense. It's a misdemeanor. But they considered anybody who had come into this [6:32] country and didn't have documentation as a criminal, like a rapist or a murderer. But lots of people [6:39] didn't hear that. I remember having a conversation with somebody about this after he was elected and [6:44] said, you know, it's going to be interesting to see how this plays in your state. And he's like, [6:48] no, no, no, no, it's only criminals, which by the way, had always been deported. This was nothing new [6:53] from Trump. This was something that had always gone on, that usually you had to live out your sentence [6:59] in the U.S. and then you got deported afterward for the simple reason that you didn't want somebody [7:04] deported and then have them turn around and come back if they had been convicted of a [7:09] crime, especially a violent crime in the United States. So anyway, as soon as Trump and Stephen [7:15] Miller, who's really running the deportation program out of the Oval Office of the White House, [7:19] where he is a deputy assistant chief of staff, once they started trying to round up people in these [7:26] huge numbers, a lot of Americans who thought they were behind the idea of getting rid of the criminals, [7:32] including, by the way, a number of Latinos, turned against this policy and said, you know, [7:37] this is not what we signed up for, and this is not what we want to see. And the reason that I [7:42] emphasized that particular thing is because one of the things that came out of the 2020 election was [7:49] a lot of political pundits looking at Trump winning a second time and said, that's it. [7:56] We have a new alignment in the United States. We're a right, a far right, not only a center right, [8:02] but a far right country. And going forward, this new coalition is going to be the way things are [8:11] in the United States, which never really made sense. It was kind of a pundit thing rather than [8:16] a political scientist thing or a historian thing, because again, we could read the numbers as well [8:21] as anybody else and recognize the importance of the rhetoric that went into that election, [8:27] on the, not only on the part of Trump, but on the part of the podcasters and so on, who sanitized [8:34] Trump and made him look better than he was. And the mainstream media, by the way, which didn't really [8:39] report the really quite bonkers stuff he was already saying. It still doesn't to the degree it ought to. [8:47] But anyway, so they thought that this was going to be permanent. And a lot of Republican leaders, [8:54] lawmakers bought into the idea that this is going to be a permanent realignment and they had to get [8:58] with the program if they were going to stay in office. And one of the things that you saw based [9:04] on that, still the recognition on the part of the radical right, the MAGA Republicans, that they didn't [9:11] have the numbers, they've never had the numbers, but that they needed further to rig the system so [9:15] that Trump would win, especially in the midterms, but then going forward. And so one of the things you saw [9:21] in the summer of 2025, were these highly unusual mid-decade redistrictings. And let me unpack that [9:30] a little bit. Remember in the Constitution, the Constitution provides for us to count everybody [9:37] in the United States every 10 years. And just to be very clear, that was everybody, not just citizens. [9:47] And there's a reason for that. They had, it was everybody in the United States every 10 years. [9:52] And then based on those people, the states would redistrict their states to say how many, [10:01] before 1929, how many seats there should be in Congress that gets capped in 1929, [10:06] for reasons that I don't think I'll go into today. And how after 1935, when the New Deal really gets [10:15] underway, how federal money would be divided up. And that's done every 10 years because of the [10:20] Constitution. That's why we have the census every 10 years. And by the way, I got into an argument [10:25] years ago with a relative that I really loved. And he was, this was many years ago, and he was on the, [10:31] far on the right. It was under Obama. He didn't want to fill out his census form, because this was [10:36] government intrusion and the whole thing. And I was like, do not even go there. Because for historians, [10:44] we must have that census. This is our one snapshot every 10 years of what the country looks like. [10:49] And if you look at those old censuses, you know, in the 19th century, for example, they literally [10:56] tell you how many horses were in the country. You know, how much land people had, where they lived, [11:03] who lived next to each other. And so we can find out unbelievably cool stuff from that census. And, [11:10] you know, someday when we get more time, I can do things like show you the census, where we found [11:17] out everything about, you know, that guy who wrote that letter to the Jordan Anderson, who wrote the [11:23] letter to his former enslaver. And, and it's very famous. Every year, and during Black History Month, [11:31] the major media pulls it out and says, I've never before seen letter. Of course, we've been using it in [11:36] classrooms for literally decades. But anyway, you can go to the censuses, and you can find Jordan [11:42] Anderson, but more than just finding Jordan Anderson, and his wife, and his children, whether [11:47] or not they were literate, where they worked, and so on, you can actually see because of the ways in [11:53] which they collect the census, door to door, you can see who his neighbors were. And you realize when [12:01] you look at that census, that his neighbors overwhelmingly were German Americans, they were [12:06] German immigrants, and many of them were in the newspaper business, which is how his letter ends [12:11] up in the newspaper and became this sensation. Anyway, the censuses are incredibly important to [12:17] historians. And when you get one, and you maybe feel like they're asking too many questions, and you [12:23] don't feel like you want to fill it out or whatever, please do. Because this is the only snapshot [12:28] Americans get for how their country looks every 10 years. Anyway, summer 2025, a number of Republican [12:37] dominated states decided to redistrict in the middle of the decade, not after the census, but to do it [12:44] again, and to gerrymander such that they could pick up more seats in the House of Representatives, which [12:51] the Republicans only hold already because it is gerrymandered. So especially in a state like Texas, [12:57] but there were others as well, they carved up the state again to give themselves more seats. But [13:04] this is where I was going with this. One of the populations that has best fled from Trump in the [13:12] last two years are Latinos. And in Texas, they redivided the state according to this new Latino vote [13:21] that had swung to Trump in 2024. And now it has abandoned him even more than he had been before 2024. [13:29] So what you're seeing now is the the realization that, first of all, this is not a mega country. But [13:39] second of all, that some of the machinations that the Republicans undertook in order to get extra seats [13:45] might very well blow up in their faces, because they have done things like divided their gerrymandering [13:52] such that they didn't give themselves enough margin to keep the seats that they were trying to keep. [13:58] So as part of this movement to create this new right wing, to tell you more about this new right [14:05] wing America and a right wing world, the mega Republicans, especially under Trump, have been [14:12] supporting the right wing in Europe, places like Germany, the AFD party, which is a far right party, [14:20] they have they have supported, they certainly turned out, as you know, to support Viktor Orban [14:26] in Hungary, he did lose his election. And Trump has been supporting Vladimir Putin in Russia with [14:33] this idea of dividing up the world along these right wing, you know, get rid of the old post World War [14:40] Two world where people tried to support democracy and equal rights and replace it with something that [14:46] looks much older, where you have strong men who command not only their own countries, but also the [14:50] countries around them. And there was a fascinating article within the last couple of days in the New [14:56] York Times with a key cryptocurrency guy, the guy who is responsible primarily for starting Bitcoin, [15:06] talking about how, you know, democracy is inefficient, that, you know, everybody for 200 years has said [15:11] democracy was great, he says, but in fact, it's really inefficient. And you're much better off with the [15:16] benevolent dictator, because you get stuff done much more quickly. And what really jumps out to me about [15:21] that, and I did write about that in one context yesterday, but what jumps out to me about that is [15:26] that, that is literally what Xi Jinping of China had been saying to, to, to Joe Biden, and Joe Biden quoted [15:39] that a lot and said, No, we have to, we have to maintain democracy. And certainly, the people that [15:46] Vladimir Putin listens to say the same thing, the democracy is washed up, it's all gone. And, and [15:52] it's, it's never been as efficient as dictatorships. And we need to go to these dictatorships. And, and [15:58] of course, FDR was all over this. And you'll hear more from me about FDR going forward, where he said, [16:03] you know, if fascism and dictatorships are also great, how come the allies are winning World War Two, [16:09] and when we get to countries like Italy and Germany, the people are starving to death. And the reason for that, [16:14] of course, is that all of the things that they have produced have gone into the whatever the latest [16:20] project of the dictator is, and you see the same thing now in Russia, you saw it in Hungary, which [16:25] now you're if you follow Hungarian news, you will see that, which is kind of cool, by the way, you'll [16:31] see that the person who is now in charge of Hungary, is going through the palaces and stuff that hit that [16:39] the Viktor Orban and his cronies had and the places where they have concentrated the wealth of the [16:44] Hungarian people for their own use. And of course, we can see that in in other places where this has [16:50] happened as well. So anyway, part of all of that, and you're probably all asleep now, but it's, it's, [16:59] I'm really interested in how these big thoughts go and how these how societies are constructed around [17:05] these different thoughts. So in the United States, one of the pieces of creating this idea of a [17:12] concentrated power and wealth is highly informed by the white Christian nationalist movement that goes [17:22] through white evangelical thought. And by the way, white evangelicals split in the 1970s, with one of [17:31] them going toward people like Jimmy Carter, and the other going toward Jerry Falwell, and black evangelicals [17:37] are a different kettle of fish altogether. But the white evangelicals have been moving into [17:42] American politics beginning in the late 1970s and continuing so that they are now the MAGA based. [17:49] I'm going somewhere with this, by the way. And by 2013, a number of them had embraced something [17:56] called the Seven Mountain Mandate. It comes from an earlier period. But what the Seven Mountain Mandate [18:04] said was that if you accepted the premise of a certain branch of white evangelical thought from [18:10] the 1970s, that the United States of America had replaced its belief in having a God-centered society, [18:19] had replaced it with a human-centered society, which is what they argued, that human-centered society, [18:26] which by which they largely meant the New Deal and equal rights and, and the idea of regulation of [18:31] business and all that, in order to destroy that, you had to take over all the seven pillars of [18:40] society, family, church, education, media, entertainment, economics, and government. All right, so, so what they [18:53] set out to do first under Trump 2.0, and now again, is to take over those pillars. And one of the reasons [19:03] that those MAGA, religious MAGA figures didn't want Trump to be turned out of office in 2020 was because [19:14] they literally thought he was a mountain king, that is, he would be able to oversee all of those [19:20] mountains even though he himself was a leaky vessel, so that they would put other people in all of those [19:26] places. Well, where we are now is that the American people are figuring all this out, and they never [19:35] wanted it. They, I mean, some did, but as I say, Project 2025 only had about a four, four percent [19:41] approval rating when people learned about it in the summer of 2025, but Trump, with the help of all these [19:47] different media outlets, managed to run away from that. Well, now we see what that looks like, and it not only [19:53] means, you know, the purging of Black and brown Americans from the military and from public office, and the, the [20:01] purging of white women and Black women and brown women from the military and from, uh, from public [20:09] service. It means the loss of health care. It means the loss of science. It means the, the loss of the [20:17] food inspections that are, you know, I don't know about you, but I am beside myself when it comes time [20:23] to buy food, because you just don't know what's been, what's in trouble now. You know, all the things that [20:29] created a modern society that many of us expected would continue are gone or are going, and Americans [20:37] do not like it. But what this means is that Trump's approval rating is god-awful. It's at new lows, [20:47] not just for him, but for any president in American history. And what this means is that there has been [20:54] enormous momentum toward Democratic candidates. And I need to be really clear here because [21:00] we still talk about Democrats, independents, and Republicans in this country, and that's still the [21:06] way polls are done, and that's still the way that, that when people talk about it, even like I just did, [21:11] we tend to use those, those pieces. But this is not partisan any longer. This is those of us who care [21:21] about democracy, and who like education, and who like healthcare, and who like schools, and who like [21:28] to be able to eat food, and who like to have clean air and clean water, who like that world that we have [21:36] created since World War II to keep us safe through things like the rules-based international order, to [21:41] keep products getting better and cheaper, to keep, to have jobs. You know, all of those things are now [21:49] what's at stake. And what that means is you're seeing a really, really big change in both political [21:57] parties. So the Republican Party, which has this long, grand history, is now the mega party, if it's [22:06] even a party. It's really more a Trump personality cult. And they are openly calling for getting rid of [22:12] democracy. They are openly calling for, you know, just surrounding Trump and people like him, and [22:19] putting in place Christian nationalism, and, and so on. Everybody else right now is pulling together [22:27] to say, listen, we can sort it out on the other side, what society is going to look like. But right [22:34] now, we can't have that. And this is one of the reasons that I'm finding this moment so fascinating, [22:39] is we have done this three times before in our history. And the 1890s is probably the place that is [22:45] most close to where we are right now. But I love the 1850s in this moment. Because in the 1850s, [22:53] you would never have thought in 1850, that the Whigs and the Democrats were going to, anything was going [22:59] to happen. And yet, after it became clear that elite Southern enslavers were going to be able to move [23:06] enslavement into the American West, where the new states there could work with the Southern states to [23:11] take over the entire country and make the entire country a slave country, which was the plan. All [23:17] across the North, people literally went to a meeting in right after the there's a big law that [23:24] passes that makes this clear. There's a meeting in Washington and 30 lawmakers go to it and they say, [23:29] listen, we don't agree about education, we don't agree about immigration, we don't agree about funding. [23:39] But we can agree that we can't have this small oligarchy take over our democracy because there's [23:45] going to be nothing left. And that was the birthplace of the Republican Party. That's where it comes from. [23:51] They don't have a name yet. They don't have any platform yet. All they have is not that. And what [23:56] came from that is where we are now with a whole bunch of new ideas about how to run a government and [24:03] what a government should do. And the coming together of people was at the time was just really [24:10] fascinating. And I think you're seeing the same thing now in that a lot of people who end up working [24:17] together in the 1850s, couldn't stand each other in the 1840s. And going into the 1860s, and you look [24:27] at this new coalition to create a new government. And of course, all kinds of new relationships, new [24:35] coalitions and all that. But you cannot predict in 1859, people going into that coalition, you cannot [24:44] predict who's going to stay with it on the other side of the Civil War. The meaning of things changes, [24:54] the issues change, and some of the people who were the most fervent about getting rid of the slave [24:59] power end up joining the Democrats at the end of the war. I mean, there's just all these really funny [25:05] changes that go on. And that feels to me like what we are doing now, where you have, you know, people [25:12] who used to be Republicans now running as Democrats, as fervent Democrats, and people who used to be [25:17] Republicans and then switched to becoming never Trumpers suddenly being, you know, really on the left [25:24] side of the Democrats. And you're seeing all these really dramatic changes in this moment. So you've [25:30] got this, this change and this real momentum moving toward the Democrats. And again, not just people D's [25:40] after their names. When I say moving toward the Democrats, that's an umbrella term for all the, [25:46] this entire pushback to the MAGA movement, really. Again, something very similar to what we saw in the [25:52] 1850s and the 1890s and the 19, late 1920s, early 1930s. But what has that done? That has meant [26:00] that Trump is desperate. And Trump is desperate, not only because he can't stand ever to back down or [26:07] ever to lose anything, but also because it is increasingly clear, although increasingly, I mean, [26:14] what does that mean? The man's broken laws. And, and I don't say that lightly, but oh my god, [26:21] you know, there's a new report out today about, you know, a diamond ring that he accepted from some [26:26] country. And of course we got the plane and we got the cryptocurrency and we got the, we got the fact [26:31] that the Trump phones have all been hacked and the Trump company says there's nothing they can do about [26:37] it. I mean, he's a, he is a walking problem for the legal system because clearly he never expected to [26:45] run up against any kind of pushback. And so as that happens, and as people in his administration [26:52] appear to be concerned about things like, for example, the continuing strikes on the small boats [26:59] in east, the eastern Pacific and in the Caribbean, likely most of them out of Venezuela, we don't know, [27:06] for all that you see people saying things about them in the news, we really don't know anything about [27:11] those boats. But one of the things we don't know about them is the legal justification for striking [27:17] them. And within the last week, a report from the UN, the United Nations, suggests that those strikes [27:26] have been war crimes. And that's, or crimes against humanity. And that's, you know, that's clearly [27:35] something that that is likely to be of concern to members of that administration who have been part [27:41] of those strikes. So the more desperate he gets, not only because of the money that he's got coming [27:47] in, thanks to being in the administration, but also because of potential crossing of the line legally, [27:54] and the fact, by the way, that once he's not in office, the cases that Jack Smith, the indictments [28:02] that Jack's, that grand juries charged by, the grand juries charged him with under special counsel Jack [28:08] Smith, those aren't, those did not go away. Those are put on hold while he is president. They can come [28:14] back after he's no longer president. So anyway, as this momentum goes toward the Democrats, Trump is now, [28:22] first of all, he's not okay. The man is just not okay. He can't put a sentence together. And if you, [28:28] I am not a speech therapist, I'm none of those things. But all you have to do is call up on [28:35] YouTube, call up an interview he did in the 80s, or the 90s. And then call up one of the things that [28:42] he has said today or yesterday. And you can just see he's not the same man that he was. In any case, [28:48] he is now hitting the road in the belief that he alone can turn people out for this midterm election. [28:55] He keeps saying to people at the rallies, you know, pretend I'm on the ballot. But he is so [29:00] unpopular, first of all, that the rallies are not filling. And second of all, that Republican [29:04] candidates don't want to be seen with him, or with JD Vance. And you will see this if you are looking [29:10] on social media, when they go to one place or another, they will say, Oh, so and so had another [29:15] place to be or whatever. Well, you do that when you don't want to be seen with someone. And there are [29:21] many reasons to do that in politics, you know, maybe somebody has said something that you don't [29:25] want to be associated with or whatever. But usually when the president shows up, and he's a member of [29:31] your party, you want to be seen with him, because it shows that you're important, and you have this [29:35] friendship and all that. But no, they're they're literally not, they don't want to be seen with him. [29:39] And Ken Paxton, who is running for senator in Texas has been, was taped saying, you know, [29:44] you know, his midterm convention hurt me here. And I, you know, we I have no control over this [29:53] campaign. And it's being run from Washington. And it's a real problem. Mind you, that's Ken Paxton [29:58] trying to get out ahead of the fact that he's not looking good for winning in that race. And he wants [30:03] somebody to blame. Always keep that in mind, too, when you listen to politicians. But so anyway, [30:08] as Trump is out there in these rallies, they're sending him to places where he has won, he won by [30:15] double digits in 2024. Two reasons for that. First of all, they're hoping he can't do any damage, [30:21] that he can turn out the base, but that he won't do any damage when he's out there. Because, [30:26] you know, if he's, he's somewhere where people are trying to decide whether or not to vote for a [30:30] Republican or not, he could do real damage there. But if he's in a deep, deep red district, they should be [30:35] okay. And they want him to turn out the base, which is where the base is going to be. And he likes the [30:40] idea of getting people to cheer for him. So he likes being there. But it's not necessarily going terribly [30:46] well. So what I mean by that is that last night in Nebraska, he said, and I'm going to read this [30:54] exactly as he said it. He's talking about how expensive diesel is, and gasoline is. And he's trying [31:04] to argue that it's okay, because the war in Iran is going to be brief. And it's going to make sure [31:10] there isn't a nuclear weapon in Iran, he said. And again, remember, with the war, it's just artificial. [31:20] It's a little bit high. It's a small price to pay for keeping the world safe, keeping our country safe. [31:28] They can take out a city, let them take out Los Angeles, let them take out San Diego. And at that, [31:36] the crowd broke out into cheers. That's, this is a very small price to pay, and it's going to be over [31:45] in very soon. It's essentially almost over with, and they might keep going a little long, you know. [31:53] They always say they have a big threshold for pain. They need it. Let me tell you, they need it. [32:00] But it's gonna end very soon. While the White House immediately said he didn't say what it sounded [32:07] like he said, that he was trying simply to say that if Iran had a nuclear weapon, they could [32:14] take out LA or San Diego. But I read that exact, believe me, I listened to that tape at least seven [32:21] times to get every word down exactly as he said it. And you can see that where he started, he played to [32:31] the crowd with, let them take out Los Angeles, let them take out San Diego, and the crowd responded. [32:41] And then he went back to, that's a very small price to pay. And of course, people have been outraged [32:45] today, both Democrats and Republicans. For a president to suggest an attack on the United States in any [32:54] context is not only unprecedented, it is a fundamental attack on what a president should do and what a [33:06] president should be. And it's, it's not surprisingly been the major story of the day. People are outraged by [33:15] that. And that's out there. At the same time, you also asked about the determination of the administration [33:27] to stay in power, despite the its waning popularity. And part of that, I think you have to look at [33:36] Secretary of Defense, it is still Secretary of Defense, there has been no name change, except for the cost of [33:42] taxpayer dollars on changing all the signs outside of buildings and stationary and things like that. [33:50] But Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is pulling as much power as he can to himself. And Pete Hegseth, [33:59] of course, is not good at what he does. And he was very much behind this Iran war. And the Iran war has, [34:09] from every calculation left the United States significantly less safe than it was before the [34:15] Iran war, not only because of the, the pinching of the Strait of Hormuz, and the pinching of the Bab [34:23] al-Mandeb Strait on the other side of the Arabian Peninsula. Both sides of the Arabian Peninsula now have [34:30] Iranian pinch points, controlled pinch points at the outlets of them. But also because of the [34:39] Iranians willingness now to attack American bases in the Middle East, which it has done and create caused [34:46] enormous damage, and probably will force the United States at least to back away from them, because we can [34:53] no longer defend those against drones, for example. But also within the last couple of days, the United States [35:00] has pulled its aircraft out of the, the UK, again, because it couldn't protect against the drones that [35:09] might be there, because the Iranians are much more powerful with drones now than they were before and [35:15] are willing to use them. But also, of course, because the Iranians have now know that they can control [35:25] world trade by pinching off the Strait of Hormuz. And the issue with that nowadays, you're seeing the, [35:31] the Trump administration say, but there's the oil is flowing through the Strait of Hormuz again, [35:36] sort of, that is, the amount of oil coming through the Strait of Hormuz has increased in the last few [35:43] days or a week or weeks. But it has only done so with the United States pouring in extraordinary amounts [35:51] of money and being willing to risk cargoes and the people on those cargoes, people on those ships. [35:59] And traders, I always have a problem with that word, not traders, but traders, traders say it's [36:06] not sustainable to continue to do that. There is going to have to be some kind of a settlement with [36:12] the, the Iranians so that the vessels can once again traverse the Strait of Hormuz without worrying [36:19] about, about attacks. And what that has done in addition to risking the oil and the crews and the [36:26] ships is it's made insurance incredibly expensive. One of the ways to that, that is really interesting [36:33] about his history is that we don't talk enough about and I know it sounds boring. I know car [36:38] insurance is boring. I'm sorry, I'm with you on that one. Looking at who is bearing the risk for things [36:44] that are happening around the world. So who is insuring things and how much you have to pay for that [36:48] insurance is fundamental to understanding the way the economy works. So, um, you know, what, what [36:59] insurance does is it spreads out the risk so that people can take, people can do things that they [37:05] couldn't afford to do on their own. That's actually where we get the idea of insurance. It actually comes [37:10] out of a coffee house in London when people were really starting to trade in a big way, um, especially [37:17] across the Atlantic. You, if you lost a ship, you would be ruined. And what people figured out was [37:24] that if you underwrote each other's voyages, that you could lose a ship and everybody would pay in a [37:32] little bit and, and that person wouldn't go under, and then they would do the same thing for you. [37:37] That's all insurance is. And the reason that under, that insurers are called underwriters [37:43] is because literally on those old contracts, they would write their names under each other. They were [37:50] underwriters. And that's where we got Lloyd's of London and Lloyd's of London remains, not just Lloyd's, [37:56] remains, uh, the, the major insurer in the world. Um, insurance is, is so cool that, um, it's killing me [38:08] not to tell you more about it, but I, but I think I'm going to save my other cool inch. No, I got, [38:14] I got too many cool insurance stories. All right. I'll leave it with that. So Hegseth, um, is pretty [38:22] clearly a white nationalist, a Christian nationalist, white Christian nationalist. And, um, he has been [38:30] firing generals. You asked me about this. He's fired a lot of generals. Now the people I read in the [38:35] military suggests there was some room to fire some generals in that they were, they'd become top [38:41] heavy, but he is pretty clearly trying to get rid of the generals and admirals who would stand for the [38:48] constitution rather than standing for him, because he, of course, subscribing to this idea of taking [38:55] over the country for his version of militant Christianity, um, means he doesn't want anybody [39:02] to stand in his way. He sees himself as taking over one of those mountains where he can move this [39:08] military in a way that serves his version of what the world should look like. And it's a white [39:15] nationalist version. So one of the things that he did on September 30th was he gave this state of the [39:22] force speech, which is new. The generals don't usually do that. They do go, I'm sorry, the secretary of [39:28] defense doesn't usually do that. They do talk to the forces, of course, and talk to generals. But [39:32] this idea that he's got to have this big rah-rah thing, this is the second time that he has done [39:37] it. And this one is the one he called the first annual. The other one he did right after they began [39:44] the bombing of the small boats in the Caribbean. And there had been apparently real pushback from [39:51] that within the military. And that when he was haranguing the military leaders about that, [39:57] people have interpreted that as his way to say, get on board with this, because I'm going to move [40:01] forward with it. Because remember, he fired all the jags when he came in, the judge advocate generals [40:05] from the military who take care of the legal angles of things. Anyway, he announced Project Meridian, [40:16] which is going to be, in his mind, a group that is overseen by Newt Gingrich, which is, [40:25] Newt Gingrich is not one of our great thinkers, but he is the man who engineered the 1994 takeover [40:32] of the House of Representatives by the Republican Party and who subsequently really, really turned it [40:38] over to business. The other person on it is the man who started up a defense contractor named Anduril. [40:47] It's a defense startup. His name is Palmer Luckey. And the third person on it is Elon Musk. And Elon Musk, [40:55] of course, has been busily trying to make everything run by AI. And part of the things that Hegs have [41:02] talked about doing was building a giant plant, a giant base, military base in the United States. [41:13] And this reflects the administration's determination to back away from Europe and really to start putting [41:20] our military muscle into Latin America to take over the Western Hemisphere, which is what they keep [41:26] talking about. And of course, the idea of putting Gingrich and Lucky and Musk together to decide what [41:35] the future should look like sure looks like it's going to have a lot to say about AI and putting AI in [41:41] charge of things. And the US and Russia were the two members of a UN task force that was supposed to be [41:49] looking at making AI respond to the needs of humanity. And one of the things that they were talking about [41:57] doing the task force was to make sure that it responded to moral questions. And the US and Russia [42:04] killed that. So that's not a good thing. So we've got Hegseth out there really trying to set himself [42:13] up as this new kind of defense secretary running the military. And I would suggest perhaps thinking [42:20] of himself as a candidate for a higher office. The fact that he is out giving speeches around the [42:26] country right now looks an awful lot like all those other people who are out giving speeches around the [42:31] country because they are expecting themselves to become candidates in 2028. Although I am, [42:38] I haven't seen anybody else say that but me. So that might be entirely stupid. Don't take that to the [42:43] bank. But I do think it looks a little bit like everybody else. Okay, in any case, where are we now? [42:50] So one of the questions you asked about a lot when you asked for questions was, what are we going to [42:56] do about this election? Because what I have just outlined is an American public that is clearly [43:02] against the Trump administration, and yet, an administration that is determined not to lose [43:08] power. And a couple of things happened today, no, were reported on today that didn't happen today. [43:13] One is that the United States has not invited the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, [43:21] the OSCE, to observe US elections, as it has every year since 2002. And the OSCE, [43:33] the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe has 57 member nations, obviously not just [43:39] in Europe, because we're a member of it. And of those organizations, of those 57 organizations, there [43:45] are two who don't permit their elections to be observed, Russia and Belarus. Now there's a third, [43:56] the US. That's not good. There's also the news now that Tina Peters, the election denier that [44:08] messed with voting machines in Colorado, and that Trump pardoned for that, or put pressure, I'm sorry, [44:16] he did not pardon her, it was a state crime, put pressure on the Colorado governor to pardon, [44:20] and he did. She is back at it. And she has reportedly met with Trump at the White House, [44:28] and is putting a scheme that is also being pushed by Cleta Mitchell, who was the lawyer who was [44:33] instrumental in trying to come up with a legal rationale for overturning the 2020 election. [44:40] And their argument, as it was reported today in democracy docket, is, and Media Matters, by the [44:46] way, is all over this as well. Media Matters is great. You really, if you're ever confused about [44:54] stuff, they're a good place to go. And by the way, ProPublica too, has been knocking it out of [45:00] the freaking park day after day after day after day. Read ProPublica. Sometimes the articles are a [45:08] little bit more than you wanted to know about something, and they're kind of in the weeds. [45:12] But boy, their investigative journalism is just off the charts. Anyway, digression there. Apparently, [45:19] Peters and Mitchell are pushing the idea that the Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, can seize voting [45:26] machines because they have foreign-made parts in them. Now, anybody who does this sort of election [45:33] law says there's absolutely no way they have the power to do that. But that's kind of the way that [45:38] they are trying to push Trump right now, because quite clearly, he does not want to give up power [45:44] under any circumstances. All right, so where does that leave us in this about 30 days out from the next [45:51] election? It's from the midterm elections. It's going to be really bad, folks. It's going to be [45:57] really rocky. And by that, what I mean is that here you have two immovable forces, [46:03] and on the one hand are the American people, and on the other hand are Trump and his cronies. [46:09] Now, I've talked to you about what J. Michael Ludig said about ways in which Mike Johnson, [46:19] the Speaker of the House, could change the clerk of the House, and the House wouldn't read the names [46:26] of the Democrats and so on. There's all kinds of things like that. And Ludig was saying, well, [46:29] there's no legal way to change that. But what I keep saying to you and to all of us is that Trump has [46:40] acted from the beginning as if the Constitution doesn't exist. He's not just breaking laws. He's not [46:49] just challenging the Constitution. He's pretending like the Constitution doesn't exist. And this is [46:55] part of a theory, a political theory of how one overturns a democracy that was articulated earliest [47:04] on by a guy named Carl Schmitt, who became a political theorist who became beloved of the Nazis, [47:11] because he said the way that you get rid of democracy, and mind you, he was looking at the [47:17] Weimar Constitution, but the theory applies even to the United States Constitution, although they're [47:23] very different constitutions, is that you declare emergencies, that you say things are sort of outside [47:31] the realm of normalcy. And because of that, the person who can claim the emergencies and grab power [47:38] because of that becomes the power in the country and becomes the dictator. And that's the theory that [47:45] the Trump 2.0 has been operating under. That's why we have all these emergency things. But in the United [47:52] States, the power in the United States comes from the people. Literally, our Constitution says, [48:01] we the people, and that's not just rhetoric, it says the right to have a country and to have a government [48:10] is inherent in the people. It's not imposed from outside. We have that power to create a government. [48:19] And in order to do that, we give our power to those that we elect to create laws under which we live. [48:27] If they do not do what we want, we can reclaim that power. If Trump's going to go before the Constitution, [48:33] so are we. And so between now and the election, and then afterward, because it's not going to be over [48:42] on the 4th of November, the thing to remember is, first of all, to stop being afraid of what Trump is [48:50] going to do. Because Trump is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. And the people around him are largely incompetent. [48:57] We have given them our power. In 2024, the American people gave them our power. But now, [49:05] in the next month, we cannot behave as if we are afraid of them. You know, no more, [49:13] am I going to be allowed to vote? No, no, you have the right to vote. And one of the things about [49:20] the people who are currently in power in the United States is that they're cowards. Trump backs down [49:27] if there is enough pressure against him to begin with. And so the way to face going forward, [49:35] when you're, you know, I keep saying, can we impeach him? What are we going to do and all that? [49:39] We have legal systems for getting rid of a president like Trump. The problem here is that [49:45] the Republicans that we have put in power have completely abdicated their jobs. This man should [49:52] have been impeached from day one. He should have been impeached and convicted. He was impeached, [49:57] but he should have been impeached and convicted in Trump 1.0. And the reason he wasn't the second [50:03] time around is because Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell really appeared to believe that the [50:10] courts would hold him responsible. And then, of course, the courts decided that Trump, the Supreme [50:16] Court decided that Trump could not be held responsible for anything he did as part of his [50:21] duties as the president. And by the time Jack Smith came forward with another set of indictments [50:28] that did not involve any of those duties, Trump had already, it was already too close to the election [50:33] for that to go forward. So the senators, the Republican senators who have walked away from all this [50:41] need to be held to account. And what I'm pointing out to here is that often, if you look about what's [50:48] happening around the country, the Democrats are out there holding town halls, they're talking to people, [50:53] you can see them all over social media, at events showing up for things. Are you seeing Republicans? [50:59] They're all in hiding. They're all living in their bubbles, where they don't have to deal with the [51:04] anger of the American people. And in the next month, they need they, you know, and again, it's really [51:10] easy to complain about things you don't like about the Democrats. And, and, you know, that's the point, [51:16] like, nobody in office is perfect. You know, we all have complaints about all these people. [51:21] But they are trying to restore democracy. It's the Republicans who are hiding from us [51:26] who are trying to destroy it. And so making sure that those people hear from us at their offices, [51:34] phone calls, letters, and so on, nonviolent, always nonviolent under every circumstance, [51:41] not just because that's morally right, as it is, but also and safer and legal, but also because [51:49] that's what changes politics in the United States violence does not. But making sure that they hear [51:56] from us, and make it clear that we will not support somebody trying to steal this election, [52:03] will make the difference between Trump being willing to do it, and not. So if you think about 2020, [52:11] when he desperately wanted to steal that election, at the end of the day, he chickened out. And he [52:16] chickened out because he couldn't quite push it through. And then he backed off, and he gave the [52:21] video and all that. We need to make sure that happens before this election, so that people in the [52:27] Senate, for example, continue to say to him, as they did over the SAVE Act, as they have done over [52:34] the, some of the other stuff he's tried to do with elections, that they will not support him, because [52:42] they, they, it is not in their interest to support him. Because we, you know, this, this idea that we [52:48] have to wait till he does something awful and protest afterward, the time to make it clear we are not [52:53] going to put up with this crap is now. And part of that, I'm going to add on here is, now is also the [53:04] time to make sure that people you know, are going to vote, and that they know how to vote, and they [53:11] literally, like how it is done. A lot of the people you think vote don't, because they're afraid to go in, [53:17] because they're afraid of the ballots, the ballots are too extensive, they don't know what to, what they're [53:22] looking for. And they don't know how to get to the polls. Those are things that if you are anxious [53:28] about this election, you can do now, you can make sure gets taken care of now. And one of the, the [53:34] people I say, well, my vote doesn't matter. And you know, there's this great guy running in Iowa, [53:38] named Josh Turek, he's running for Senate in Iowa, neck and neck, by the way, with his opponent. And he [53:44] won his first election, not to the Senate, to a, to a state Senate seat, by six votes. So when you think [53:53] your vote doesn't matter, or your friend's vote doesn't matter, Josh Turek's career came down to [53:58] six votes. And those getting those marginal votes out, getting people out, that really will, A, [54:07] relieve your anxiety, but B, make it less likely that Trump, I mean, Trump's going to try to pull [54:15] something. But the question is how many people in office will continue to support him when his numbers [54:21] are in the toilet, the economy is in trouble. He's gotten us into this war, he's put incompetent [54:26] people in office, including Peter Exeth, and we've just had and cash Patel over there at the FBI, [54:32] we've just had the largest hacking of FBI agents and associates, personal information in American [54:42] history. I mean, how long are they going to stand up for this, they're going to stay, they're going to, [54:47] they're going to stay behind it so long as we make it easy for them to do it. We stop making it easy, [54:54] they stop supporting him, and they're on the cusp of doing that. So run through the tape here for the [55:00] midterms, because this is where we finally get the opportunity to check Trump's administration, [55:07] he will still be in office, the Democrats are not going to be able to put into law things that they [55:13] really want to do and that we all want. But the the more pressure we put on them, and then the [55:17] pressure that we keep up saying that we want universal health care, that we want to stop [55:24] partisan gerrymandering, both of which are popular with over 80% of the American people, Republican, [55:30] Independent and Democratic. These are not wild proposals. The more pressure that we keep up for [55:37] those things, and the more pressure we keep up for accountability for hearings at first from the [55:44] Democrats, if they get control of either the House or the Senate, and then those hearings might of [55:49] course turn up things that then go into the courts. The more, you know, we are not done on November 4th, [55:55] we are just starting now. And this movement needs to continue not only through this election and the [56:04] next election and the next, which is when we will have the new census and the gerrymandering problem. [56:11] That's how you change the nature of a country. And if we do that, we might very well end up where [56:18] people ended up during the progressive era, which was that when things really, really went badly, [56:24] Americans started to look internally and because the the of the first Gilded Age and the robber barons [56:31] are getting everything. They began to look at their neighbors and say, you know, we actually don't [56:36] want cities that are teeming with with offal from the the butchering of hogs that draw flies and disease [56:48] and so people are dying of cholera. You know, we want to clean that up regardless of which party we voted [56:53] for. And and you know, we'd like kids to go to kindergarten rather than working. And and we think [56:58] that workers should have decent pay. Those are not partisan issues. And we got those the first time [57:04] around coming out of a moment looks very much like this one. So maybe next time I'll be able to talk [57:09] more about the people who are working on that. But I kind of wanted to talk a lot of you off the ledge [57:14] today and say, yeah, things look pretty bad in a lot of ways. But never forget that it is the American [57:21] people who call the shots in this government. And and the that our moment to make that very clear [57:30] is now before the midterms rather than after. Anyway, I hope that made some sense. And I I'll be back. [57:41] I'm here. I don't I'm I'm I'm back here for a while. So I'll let you know when I'm up and doing this again. [57:49] Anyway, thank you for being here. And I will talk to you soon.

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