NET25 Special News Coverage — VP Sara Duterte Impeachment Trial Day 2 — July 7, 2026

[0:09] Pansamantala po na hindi mo na mapapanood ang programang Here We Meet Again, HiVen News, Responde at Liveable at iba pang mga kasunod na mga palabas upang magbigay daan po sa NET25 News and Information Special Coverage para sa mga kaganapan sa impeachment trial laban kay Vice President Sara Duterte. [0:33] Magandang hapon sa inyong lahat. Ako po si Weng De La Fuente. Nakasubaybay po muli ang sambayan ng Pilipino sa pagpapatuloy ngayong Martes ng hapon ng day 2 ng impeachment trial laban nga po kay VP Sara at kasama ninyo mula na tututok sa mga kaganapan ang NET25 News and Information. [0:54] Ang tabayanan po ang mga ihahatid na pag-uulat ng ating mga kasama at ang pagpapatuloy ng paglilitis ngayong day 2 ng impeachment trial. [1:05] Dumating po kanina sa Senado si Vice President Sara Duterte sa gitna ito ng paanyaya sa kanya na sumipot sa isinasagawang impeachment trial laban sa kanya. [1:18] Kinubirma nga ng kanyang o ng Senate Sergeant at Arms na si retired Major General Alfred Corpus na pupunta ngayong araw si VP Sara para kausapin ang defense team. [1:32] At yun nga po, nagpunta kanina ang Vice Presidente pero sa araw-araw nilang sinabi ng Senate Sergeant at Arms na araw-araw silang naghahanda sa posibleng pagdatinga ni VP Sara lalo't nagsimula na ang paglilitis sa kanya ng impeachment court. [1:53] Dagdag pa ng Senate Sergeant at Arms, wala daw pagbabago sa lagay ng siguridad ng osaa dahil nakahanda o sila ay nakaprepared. [2:07] May sarili din daw security personnel si VP Sara mula sa BPSPG o Vice Presidential Security and Protection Group. [2:18] Sa ikalawang araw nga ng paglilitis, maari daw nabawasan na ang CDM deployment ng PNP sa labas ng Senado base sa initial assessment. [2:28] Alamin po natin ang mga karagdagang kaganapan dyan sa Senado sa pag-uulat ng ating kasamang si Mar Gabriel Mar. [2:37] Sa uwing, higit 30 minuto pa lang nakakalipas nang umalis na dito sa Senado yung convoy ni Vice President Sara Duterte. [2:50] Dumating siya dito sa Senado bandang alas 12 ng tanghali kanina at yan ay para makipagpulong doon sa kanyang mga abogado dito sa defense team. [3:04] Sinalubong pa siya kanina nung isa sa kanyang mga legal counsel na si Atty. Michael Poa at dumiretso sila sa briefing room nitong defense. [3:16] At sa mga oras na ito uwing, pumapasok na dito sa session hall ng Senado itong mga miembro ng House Prosecution Panel at mga taga-defense team para sa pagpapatuloy at ikalawang araw nga nitong impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte. [3:38] Huwing, inaasahan na haharap sa paglilitis ngayong hapon, yung dalawang tauhan ng National Bureau of Investigation. [3:46] Inaasahan na mag-testify sila kaugnay dito sa Article 4 o yung assassination plot at inciting to sedition case laban kay Vice President Sara Duterte. [4:00] Base kasi doon sa pre-trial order na naaprubahan at pinagtibay din kahapon ng impeachment court. [4:07] Unang tatalakayin yung Article 4 at sunod yung Article 1 o yung maling paggamit ng confidential funds. [4:16] Ikatlo yung Article 3 o yung bribery sa Deped at yung Article 2 o yung unexplained wealth ng pangalawang pangulo. [4:24] So, mga ilang minuto mula ngayon, Huwing, inaasahan na magsisimula na itong pagpapatuloy ng paglilitis sa pangalawang pangulo. [4:34] Oo, kanina ay nandyan nga si Vice President. Sumagot ba siya sa mga tanong ng mga kagawad ng media? [4:44] Well, sa pagkakaalam natin, Huwing, hindi na nag-call up na tumanggap ng tanong. [4:49] Nagbigay lang siya ng statement at yung kasama natin si Eden Santos yung nakatutok doon sa press conference kanina [4:56] nitong defense team na pinuntahan niya ni BP Sarah. [5:02] Sa ngayon, nakatutok tayo dito sa mga update na ibibigay naman sa atin ng impeachment court. [5:08] Kahapon, una nang nagsalita yung tagapagsalita ng impeachment court na si Atty. Reginald Tungol [5:14] at ang sinasabi niya, yung pagdalo ni BP Sarah dito sa impeachment trial ay hindi naman daw obligado [5:20] dahil nire-representa na siya ang kanyang mga abogado at may subiting na rin naman daw sila ng sagot [5:26] tungkol doon sa mga akusasyon laban kay BP Sarah doon sa apat na articles of impeachment [5:37] na isinumite ng House Prosec Panel dito sa Senado. [5:43] So Mar, on time magsisimula ang day 2 ng impeachment trial? [5:50] Alas 2, Weng, no? [5:52] Exacto, alas 2 sinasahan magsisimula nitong pagliliti sa araw-araw kasi, Weng, [5:58] mula lunes hanggang miyerkules, yan yung schedule ng paglilitis mula alas 2 ng hapon [6:04] hanggang kung anong oras sila abutin. [6:06] Habang nung araw naman ng Webes at Piyernes, ay inilaan nila yan doon sa mga motion, [6:12] sa mga pleading ng magkabilang kapo at ipagpapatuloy yan sa susunod na linggo. [6:17] Kaya nga ang tansya ng impeachment court, Weng, aabuti ng 6 hanggang 7 buwan itong paglilitis [6:24] dahil nga tatlong beses lang sa isang linggo itong impeachment trial, Weng. [6:29] Sige, antabayanan pa namin yung ilang mga update nung ating mga kasama na nandyan din [6:34] sa natumututok sa impeachment trial. [6:38] Marami salamat sa iyo, Mar Gabrielle. [6:40] Yan po ang paghulat ng ating kasamang si Mar Gabrielle [6:43] at yun nga ano, naibalita niya na dumating si Vice President Sara Duterte [6:50] at yung inaasahan na mangyayari ngayong araw sa day 2 ng impeachment trial, [6:57] yung pagharap ng dalawang tauhan ng National Bureau of Investigation na sinabina [7:02] at yung pagtalakay doon sa mga articles of impeachment. [7:07] I-highlights lang po natin yung mga nangyari kahapon doon sa day 1 ng impeachment trial. [7:15] Sa botongang 12-8 ay naihalal bilang presiding officer ng impeachment court, [7:22] si Sen. Cheese Escudero, sa kabila po yan ng pagtutol ng magkapatid na Alan Peter at Pia Cayetano [7:31] dahil sa sinasabi nila na ang itinatadhana ng batas, [7:36] ang Sen. President ang dapat nauupo. [7:38] Doon sa mga kumukwestiyon naman kung bakit nakaupo pa rin doon sa itaas [7:46] ng katabi ni Sen. Cheese Escudero, si Sen. President Sherwin Gatchalian. [7:54] Hindi po required na maupo siya doon sa tabi na yun. [8:00] Pero choice ng Sen. President kung saan siya pupuesto. [8:06] So since ang presiding officer ay si Sen. Cheese Escudero, [8:11] sabi nung iba, lumabas na parang stenograf pero si Sen. President. [8:17] Pero karapatan niya po yun kung saan niya gusto na pumuesto. [8:21] Pero hindi siya nire-require ng batas. [8:25] Sabi nga po kasi ng 1987 Constitution, kapag ang lilitisin ay mga ibang impeachable officers, [8:37] maliban sa Presidente ng Pilipinas, ang Sen. President ang dapat na umuupong presiding officer. [8:42] At highlight din nga po ng day one ng impeachment trial ay yung affirmation nitong si Sen. Cheese Escudero [8:53] as presiding officer na yung 16 votes o yung two-third ng kabuang bilang ng mga senador o ng senator judges [9:06] ang magiging threshold doon sa pag-convict ng isang impeachable official. [9:13] So hindi po question ngayon kung merong tatlong senador ang absent, [9:18] dumating sila o hindi, ay 16 votes o yung two-third pa rin ng affirmative votes ang threshold. [9:26] Tapos hindi po pinayagan ni presiding officer Escudero ang mosyon ng prosekusyon para basahin ang articles of impeachment [9:38] at i-arrain si Vice President Sara Duterte. [9:42] Kasi hindi nga ito regular na korte. [9:45] Hindi kailangan yung arraignment. [9:47] At katwiran po kahapon ay sumagot naman ang Vice Presidente sa pamamagitan [9:53] noong ipinadala niyang written response at yung pagharap ng kaniyang mga abogado [10:02] o yung defense panel na kumakatawan po sa kanya dito sa impeachment court. [10:08] Hiniling naman po ng minority senators na sinangayunan ng ilan doon sa mga majority senators [10:14] na pahintulutan o hilingin sa Sandigan Bayan na pahintulutan si Senators Jingo Estrada at Sen. Rodante Marcoleta [10:24] para makabahagi sa impeachment trial bilang mga observant. [10:30] At si Sen. Cheese ay hindi rin po pinayagan ang pagbubukas ng BIR box. [10:38] Kung matatandaan po natin, itong BIR box ang naglalaman ng mga sinasabing tax records [10:47] ng mag-asawang Sara Duterte at si Atty. Man Scarpio [10:54] na ito po eh kapaloob na ginagamit nilang ebedensya doon sa sinasabing unexplained wealth [11:02] ng vice-presidente. [11:05] At pinayagan po ng presiding officer yung five-day witness notice list [11:13] na hiniling po ng depensa o kailangan merong limang araw na notice [11:18] para doon sa pagpapresenta ng mga tatawaging testigo. [11:22] At yun nga po, nagpalabas, nagsabpina sa siyam na bangko [11:27] para sa bank records ni Vice President Sara at ng kaniyang asawang si Atty. Man Scarpio. [11:34] Ito yung mga sinasabing deposito ng vice-presidente [11:40] at yung kinukwestyon na hindi niya maipaliwanag na yaman [11:45] mula nung naupo siya bilang vice-president ng ating bansa. [11:53] At yun nga po, yung inaasahan ngayong araw na ito, [11:56] nagpalabas ng sabpina at testifikandum ang impeachment court [12:00] doon sa dalawang tauhan ng National Bureau of Investigation [12:04] na magiging testigo ng prosecution. [12:07] Ang tumayo pong lead counsel for prosecution [12:11] ay si Congresswoman Jerville Luistro [12:14] na siyang chairman ng House Committee on Justice [12:18] at nanguna doon sa mga pagdinig para sa impeachment complaint [12:23] laban kay Vice President Sara Duterte [12:25] at ang lead counsel naman po for defense [12:27] ay si Atty. Sheila Sison. [12:31] So kahapon nakita natin yung pagtatagisan ng galing na mga abogado [12:35] ng depensa at saka ng prosecution [12:40] at ngayong araw po na ito ay yung pagpapatuloy ng impeachment trial. [12:46] Kung hindi tayo nagkakamali ay nagsimula na ang session ng impeachment court [12:52] at kung hindi tayo nagkakamali [12:55] nakikita po natin sa ating mga video monitors [12:59] ang nagsasalita ay si Sen. Alan Quietano para sa opening prayer [13:04] nitong isasagawang impeachment trial. [13:09] So maya-maya po ay ito turnover natin doon sa Senado [13:13] para sa pagsisimula muli ng impeachment trial. [13:16] Mamaya ay kumakakahingi din po tayo ng update [13:20] sa ating kasamang si Eden Santos [13:23] para doon naman sa naging sandaling pagharap [13:28] ni Vice President Sara Duterte. [13:31] At okay, so ano nga ba yung mga aasahan [13:36] dito sa impeachment trial [13:39] at ano yung possible impact dito sa 2028 presidential elections [13:44] dahil sa ngayon pa lang e pinag-uusapan na po [13:48] ang 2028 elections at ang sinasabi nga po [13:52] ay kaya isinusulong itong impeachment case [13:56] laban kay Vice President Sara Duterte [13:58] e para mapigil yung kanyang posibleng pagkandidato [14:03] sa susunod na presidential elections. [14:07] So bakit mahalaga itong impeachment na ito [14:14] doon sa issue ng 2028 elections? [14:19] Kapag na-convict po kasi si Vice President Sara Duterte [14:24] ay hindi na po siya maaaring kumandidato [14:29] pag natanggal siya sa pwesto [14:30] ang isa pa doon sa haharapin niya [14:33] ay yung perpetual disqualification [14:36] to run in any public office. [14:39] So hindi na po siya papayagan [14:42] na humawak ng anumang posisyon sa pamahalaan [14:46] at yan po ay itinatadhana ng saligang batas. [14:51] At kung ma-acquit naman po siya [14:55] e syempre mananatili po siyang Vice Presidente [14:58] at ang akwital ay magpapalakas [15:02] doon sa kanyang political standing [15:04] lalo na po doon sa kanyang mga supporters [15:07] depende po kung ano ang interpretasyon [15:10] ng publiko sa magiging outcome [15:13] nitong impeachment trial. [15:15] So sa broader political effects [15:18] ang trial po could also influence [15:21] yung political parties and coalition alignment. [15:25] syempre kapag ang Vice Presidente [15:30] e na-acquit [15:31] mas magiging malakas yung standing niya [15:34] sa 2028 elections. [15:36] So turnover na po tayo doon sa Senado [15:38] sa pagsisimula ng day 2 [15:40] ng impeachment trial. [15:42] Setor Judge Lapid [15:47] Setor Judge Legarda [15:49] Setor Judge Marcoleta [15:51] Setor Judge Marcos [15:53] Setor Judge Padilla [15:55] Setor Judge Pangilinan [15:57] Setor Judge Soto III [15:59] Setor Judge Tulfo Irwin [16:02] Setor Judge Tulfo Rafi [16:04] Setor Judge Villanueva [16:07] Setor Judge Villar Camil [16:09] Setor Judge Villar Mark [16:12] Setor Judge Zubiri [16:14] The presiding officer [16:16] Setor Judge Escudero [16:17] The Senate President [16:19] With 20 senators present [16:21] the chair declares the presence of a quorum. [16:25] We now recognize [16:25] the presiding officer [16:26] Senator Cheez Escudero. [16:29] Thank you Mr. Chairman President. [16:32] The reading of the journal [16:34] of July 6, 2026 [16:35] of the Senate [16:37] Citizens and Impeachment Court [16:39] is hereby dispensed with [16:40] and unless there are any objections [16:43] the same is hereby approved and adopted. [16:48] The clerk of court [16:48] will now please read [16:49] and call the trial [16:51] the case rather [16:52] before this impeachment court. [16:53] Case number 004-2026. [16:56] In the matter of impeachment trial [16:58] of Vice President Sarah Zimmerman Duterte. [17:02] Appearances. [17:07] Good afternoon Your Honors. [17:09] Same appearance for the prosecution. [17:11] We are ready Your Honor. [17:13] Noted. [17:13] Appearances for the respondent. [17:18] Good morning Your Honor. [17:18] Same appearances for the defense. [17:21] Is the prosecution ready [17:23] to call its first witness? [17:25] Yes Your Honor. [17:26] However, [17:27] the prosecution have few concerns [17:29] which it wanted to raise [17:32] before the Honorable Impeachment Court. [17:34] So may I request Your Honor [17:36] that the Honorable [17:37] Counsel for the Prosecutor [17:39] Lorna P. Capunan [17:40] be recognized Your Honor. [17:42] Before recognizing [17:43] the Counsel for the Prosecutor [17:45] Ma'am, [17:46] upo muna kayo. [17:48] Chair would like to recognize [17:50] first, [17:50] Senator Judge [17:51] Laxon. [17:52] What is the pleasure [17:53] of the Honorable Laxon? [17:54] It's a point of inquiry. [17:56] Mr. [17:56] You may proceed sir. [17:58] Yes, [17:58] Mr. Senate President, [18:00] Mr. [18:00] Presiding Officer, [18:02] Your Honors. [18:04] Just so it will be clear [18:05] to our fellow [18:06] Senator Judges [18:07] as well as [18:08] the panel of prosecutors, [18:10] the defense team, [18:12] and the public in general. [18:14] Yesterday, [18:15] after your election [18:16] as presiding officer, [18:17] you delivered [18:18] your opening statement, [18:20] portions of which [18:21] I will either quote [18:22] or paraphrase [18:23] as follows. [18:26] You stated, [18:27] the Constitution states [18:28] that conviction [18:30] can only happen [18:31] with the concurrence [18:32] of two-thirds [18:33] of all members [18:34] of the Senate. [18:35] And then you continued, [18:37] with 24 members [18:38] of the Senate, [18:40] a literal interpretation [18:42] of this [18:42] means that conviction [18:44] requires [18:45] the affirmative vote [18:46] of at least 16 [18:47] Senator Judges. [18:49] However, [18:50] you also made it clear [18:51] that, [18:52] and I quote, [18:53] those who disagree [18:54] have the right [18:55] to go about it [18:56] through a legal challenge [18:58] and should the Supreme Court [19:00] by virtue of its power [19:02] of judicial review [19:03] render a different ruling [19:05] on this question, [19:06] the impeachment court [19:07] shall faithfully abide [19:09] by that ruling. [19:11] Unquote. [19:12] My point of inquiry, [19:13] Mr. President, [19:14] Mr. Presiding Officer, [19:16] is this portion [19:17] of your opening statement [19:18] a matter of legal opinion [19:20] on your part [19:22] as presiding officer [19:23] or does it constitute [19:26] a ruling [19:27] by the impeachment court? [19:29] If the response is, [19:30] it is the latter, [19:32] does this mean [19:33] that this court, [19:34] through the presiding officer, [19:36] has raised the level [19:37] of discourse [19:39] to a justiciable issue [19:41] or a dispute [19:42] that the Supreme Court [19:43] may have legal authority [19:45] to settle and resolve [19:46] in case either one [19:48] or both panels [19:49] in front of us [19:50] decide to exercise [19:52] their right [19:53] to challenge [19:53] the said ruling, [19:54] should they deem it [19:56] as a grave abuse [19:57] of discretion [19:58] by this court? [19:59] I submit, [20:00] Your Honor. [20:02] The response [20:03] of the presiding officer [20:05] is in the affirmative. [20:08] In fact, [20:08] the journal [20:09] that we just approved [20:11] contains [20:12] a similar inquiry [20:14] by Senator Judge Cayetano [20:16] yesterday [20:18] when he inquired [20:18] if it was the position [20:19] and ruling [20:20] of the presiding officer [20:21] and the presiding officer [20:23] answered in the affirmative. [20:25] So to clarify, [20:26] yes, I believe [20:27] it may be considered [20:29] already as a justiciable [20:30] controversy, [20:31] although it is not [20:31] for us to dictate that [20:32] but the courts, [20:34] given that it is [20:35] a ruling of the chair [20:36] not objected to [20:37] nor appealed [20:38] by any member [20:39] of this court [20:40] and therefore stance. [20:42] Thank you for the clarification, [20:44] Mr. Presiding officer. [20:45] Thank you, [20:45] Senator Judge Lacson. [20:47] Senator Judge Cayetano, [20:48] what is your pleasure, sir? [20:51] Sir President, [20:52] Presiding officer, [20:53] may I just [20:54] further clarify [20:55] this statement? [20:56] You may proceed, sir. [20:58] I confirmed [20:58] that yesterday [20:59] we heard the same thing [21:01] and when the transcripts [21:04] come out, [21:04] of course, [21:05] then it will be available [21:06] to everyone. [21:09] Basically, [21:10] yesterday, [21:10] I clarified [21:11] whether that was [21:12] the opinion [21:12] of the elected [21:14] presiding officer [21:17] and of course [21:18] without any offense [21:19] to my brother [21:20] and friend, [21:21] Senator Escudero, [21:22] we have a continuing objection. [21:25] I asked him [21:26] whether this was already [21:27] a ruling of the court [21:28] because if it's [21:29] the ruling of the court, [21:31] then as a threshold issue, [21:33] we will have [21:34] no further questions. [21:36] Section 22, [21:38] Article 22 of our rule [21:39] says that all orders, [21:41] decisions, [21:41] may be acted upon [21:42] without objection [21:44] or if objection [21:45] is heard, [21:46] the orders [21:47] and decisions [21:47] shall be voted on [21:49] without debate [21:50] by ayes and nays [21:51] which shall be entered [21:53] in the record. [21:54] Subject, however, [21:55] to operation [21:56] of Rule 6 [21:57] and Rule 6 [21:58] speaks of [21:59] whether the presiding officer [22:01] will rule [22:02] on relevance, [22:03] admissibility [22:03] and giving [22:05] any move on [22:06] two minutes. [22:06] So I may also correct [22:08] that yesterday [22:08] I was not allowed [22:10] to, [22:11] when I objected [22:11] to Senator [22:12] Lacson, [22:17] I should have been [22:18] given 10 minutes [22:19] in accordance [22:21] with Section 22, [22:22] but I do admit [22:23] that before that [22:25] in the point of order, [22:27] Senate President [22:28] Cachelyan [22:29] was liberal [22:30] in allowing us [22:31] to explain. [22:32] Anyway, [22:32] everything has been [22:34] explained yesterday [22:35] as part as the constitutional [22:36] issue of the presiding officer [22:39] and since you allowed us [22:41] to submit in writing, [22:42] we will do so. [22:44] But just on this point [22:45] of the threshold issue [22:49] of two-thirds [22:50] of all members, [22:51] there is actually [22:52] a pending case [22:53] in the Supreme Court [22:54] entitled Cayetano [22:55] versus Aquino [22:56] that is myself [22:59] and my seatmate, [23:00] Senator Aquino. [23:00] We talk, [23:01] but we're not talking [23:02] about the case. [23:03] So actually, [23:04] you're correct, [23:05] Senator Lacson, [23:05] that anyone [23:06] can go [23:07] on this issue itself [23:08] and I'd just like [23:10] to make sure today [23:11] and further clarify [23:12] that there's no objections [23:13] that as of today, [23:15] the stand [23:15] of the impeachment court [23:18] is that [23:19] of all members [23:20] means that [23:21] as long as you're [23:22] still a member, [23:23] so meaning [23:24] when are you [23:24] not a member anymore? [23:26] When you die, [23:28] when you are removed [23:29] by finality, [23:31] and when you resign. [23:36] Otherwise, [23:37] you are still a member, [23:38] so you are still counted [23:40] and it is in that spirit [23:41] that we ask [23:42] and we're preparing [23:43] maybe a memoranda [23:45] for all members [23:46] to allow [23:47] Senator Marcoleta [23:48] and Senator Jingoy [23:50] since they are going [23:51] to have a vote [23:52] and if they are not [23:53] allowed to vote, [23:54] then that will be counted [23:55] as a vote [23:56] for acquittal [23:56] and that might be [23:58] favorable [24:01] to the defense [24:03] rather than [24:04] a part of giving [24:05] a fair trial. [24:05] So all I wanted [24:07] to clarify today, [24:08] Mr. President, [24:08] is that we will [24:09] continue to trash out [24:10] if there are any [24:11] constitutional issues, [24:13] but as of today, [24:14] it is very clear [24:15] that as a court, [24:16] we have decided [24:17] that two-thirds [24:19] of 24, [24:20] there are 24 members [24:21] of the Senate today, [24:22] 20 are present [24:23] here today, [24:24] but there are still [24:25] 24 members [24:25] and 16 [24:26] number of senators [24:29] needed to convict [24:30] on any of the articles, [24:32] Mr. President, [24:33] Mr. President, [24:33] Mr. President, [24:34] Mr. President, [24:34] Mr. President, [24:34] thank you. [24:35] What is the pleasure [24:36] of Senator Judge [24:37] Pangalinan? [24:38] 21. [24:41] Thank you, [24:42] Mr. President, [24:43] Mr. President, [24:44] just to place [24:45] on record [24:46] that I would [24:47] like to clarify [24:48] that the ruling [24:50] of the chair [24:51] of 16 [24:52] is as to [24:53] the issue [24:54] of whether [24:56] the number, [24:57] the threshold [24:58] number of conviction, [25:00] the matter [25:00] of whether [25:02] or not [25:02] Senators [25:03] Marcoleta [25:04] and Senator Estrada [25:05] should be [25:07] participating [25:08] in the process [25:09] of the trial [25:10] is another matter [25:11] that we will [25:12] have to [25:13] discuss perhaps [25:16] in camera [25:16] or on the floor [25:17] at a later date, [25:19] Mr. President. [25:20] Noted. [25:23] If there are [25:24] no other [25:24] Senator Judge [25:25] who wishes [25:26] to make a [25:26] manifestation, [25:28] the lead [25:29] prosecutor, [25:30] Representative Luister, [25:31] is once again [25:32] recognized. [25:32] What was your [25:33] earlier manifestation [25:34] and motion, [25:35] Lam? [25:35] Your Honor, [25:36] we respectfully [25:37] reiterate [25:38] our request [25:38] that Council [25:40] for the [25:40] Panel of Prosecutors [25:41] Attorney Lorna [25:42] Capunan [25:42] be recognized. [25:44] Council [25:44] for the [25:45] Panel of Prosecutors [25:46] Attorney Lorna [25:47] Capunan [25:47] is recognized. [25:49] Will you be [25:50] the one [25:50] to present [25:51] your first [25:52] witness, [25:52] ma'am? [25:53] Good afternoon, [25:57] Your Honors, [25:59] Senate President, [26:00] Presiding Justice. [26:01] I do have [26:02] manifestation. [26:04] Well, [26:04] in direct answer [26:05] to the query [26:06] of the [26:06] presiding [26:07] Senator Judge, [26:09] I am not [26:10] presenting [26:10] the witness [26:11] today. [26:11] But I would [26:12] like, [26:13] with your [26:13] permission, [26:14] Your Honors, [26:15] to manifest [26:16] a query [26:18] that we [26:20] request [26:20] be addressed [26:21] by this [26:22] honorable [26:22] court [26:23] presiding [26:23] judge [26:24] to the [26:25] defense. [26:26] The lady [26:26] may proceed. [26:27] We are [26:28] informed, [26:29] and in fact, [26:30] we have [26:31] seen an [26:32] interview [26:32] conducted [26:34] in the [26:34] Senate [26:34] premises [26:35] on the [26:37] vice [26:37] president [26:37] herself. [26:39] And she [26:40] had been [26:40] quoted [26:41] as saying [26:42] that she [26:44] is expecting [26:45] a bloodbath [26:46] and a [26:46] bludgeoning, [26:48] but she [26:49] will not, [26:51] her head [26:51] may be [26:52] blooded, [26:53] but unbowed. [26:55] My [26:55] respectful [26:57] query, [26:58] Your Honors, [26:59] please, [27:00] which could [27:00] be directed [27:01] to the [27:02] defense [27:02] councils, [27:04] is, [27:05] if the [27:05] vice [27:06] president [27:06] is in [27:07] the premises, [27:09] does she [27:09] intend to [27:10] appear [27:11] personally [27:11] before this [27:13] impeachment [27:14] court. [27:15] And that [27:15] is [27:15] preliminary [27:16] to another [27:17] manifestation [27:18] that I [27:19] would like [27:19] to make. [27:21] Can we [27:21] proceed with [27:21] your next [27:22] one, [27:22] counsel? [27:23] Because the [27:24] chair is not [27:25] yet sure [27:26] if it will [27:26] even address [27:27] this to the [27:27] counsel for [27:28] respondents, [27:29] or will [27:29] simply answer [27:30] the query [27:30] of the [27:31] counsel for [27:31] respondents. [27:32] This is [27:33] relevant to [27:34] the presentation [27:35] that we [27:35] will be [27:35] making [27:36] this [27:37] afternoon, [27:37] Your Honors. [27:38] This [27:39] court will [27:39] recall your [27:41] own statements, [27:42] Mr. [27:42] presiding [27:43] judge, [27:43] that on [27:44] Tuesdays, [27:45] every Tuesday [27:45] of every [27:46] week, [27:47] that the [27:48] prosecution [27:48] must indicate [27:50] who the [27:50] witnesses they [27:51] intend to [27:52] present [27:52] before this [27:54] court will [27:55] be. [27:56] This is to [27:57] enable the [27:57] impeachment [27:58] court to [27:59] issue, [28:00] when appropriate, [28:01] and if [28:02] deemed [28:02] necessary, [28:04] a subpoena [28:05] for such [28:06] witness. [28:07] And that [28:07] is my [28:08] query this [28:11] afternoon, [28:12] because [28:12] an end [28:14] presentation [28:15] of witness [28:16] on the [28:17] first article [28:18] that we [28:19] will be [28:19] presenting, [28:21] which is [28:21] grave threats [28:23] and acts [28:24] of sedation, [28:25] Your Honor. [28:26] One of the [28:29] key witnesses, [28:30] hostile, [28:31] albeit hostile, [28:33] would be the [28:34] vice president. [28:35] And therefore, [28:36] if we can [28:37] inquire if [28:39] it is her [28:39] intention to [28:41] again appear [28:42] in the [28:43] premises of [28:44] the Senate, [28:45] because we [28:46] are already [28:46] respectfully [28:48] informing this [28:49] Honorable [28:49] Court that [28:50] we will [28:51] manifest, [28:52] that we [28:52] will have [28:53] a written [28:54] request for [28:55] her presence [28:56] in connection [28:57] with this [28:58] article on [29:00] grave threats, [29:01] Your Honor. [29:01] That is the [29:02] relevancy of [29:03] my manifestation. [29:05] The chair [29:06] would like to [29:07] rule on the [29:07] manifestation and [29:08] request of the [29:09] counsel for [29:11] prosecutors. [29:12] Instead of [29:13] throwing the [29:13] question to the [29:15] counsel for [29:15] respondents, [29:16] for the simple [29:17] reason that I [29:18] do not want [29:19] the parties to [29:20] engage in a [29:20] debate before [29:21] this court. [29:22] You can very [29:22] well do that [29:23] with the [29:23] presentation of [29:24] your witness [29:25] through direct [29:25] and cross [29:26] examination, [29:26] redirect and [29:27] recross. [29:28] To answer, [29:29] the impeachment [29:31] rules do not [29:32] mandate nor [29:33] require the [29:34] respondent to [29:35] attend any [29:37] hearing or [29:38] trial of the [29:39] impeachment [29:39] court. [29:40] Whether she [29:41] was in the [29:41] building earlier [29:42] or arrived [29:43] after, it is [29:44] totally up to [29:45] the respondent [29:46] because from [29:47] the point of [29:47] view of the [29:48] court, she is [29:48] represented in [29:49] this court [29:50] through her [29:51] counsel already. [29:53] Should the [29:55] counsel for [29:56] the prosecutors [29:57] desire to [29:58] call the [29:59] respondent [30:00] herself, the [30:01] court will [30:01] act on that [30:02] motion and [30:03] request once [30:03] it is made [30:04] and or filed [30:05] and need not [30:06] make a [30:06] ruling at [30:07] this point [30:07] in time. [30:08] Because of [30:08] course, when [30:09] that motion [30:10] is made, we [30:11] will ask the [30:12] counsel for [30:12] respondent to [30:13] make a [30:14] comment and [30:15] or reply. [30:17] Thank you, [30:17] thank you, [30:19] sir presiding [30:20] judge, justice, [30:22] senator, judge. [30:23] We yield to [30:24] the wisdom of [30:26] your decision. [30:28] With that, [30:29] we will [30:30] reserve the [30:31] right. [30:32] We are not [30:33] waiving the [30:33] right to do [30:34] call her at [30:35] the appropriate [30:35] time and to [30:37] do file the [30:38] appropriate [30:38] request for [30:39] subpoena [30:40] and [30:42] subpoena [30:42] testificandum. [30:44] For that, on [30:45] that matter, [30:46] Your Honor, [30:47] I have no further [30:48] questions and [30:49] would like to [30:50] turn over the [30:51] floor to our [30:51] lead public [30:52] prosecutor. [30:55] Thank you, [30:56] counsel for [30:56] the prosecutors, [30:57] attorney Lorna [30:58] Capunan, for [30:59] your remarks, [31:00] which are [31:00] duly noted. [31:02] Yes, the [31:03] lead prosecutor is [31:03] recognized. [31:04] Your Honor, as [31:05] manifested yesterday, [31:07] the articles of [31:08] impeachment is [31:09] divided into [31:10] four teams, [31:11] and I would [31:11] like to turn [31:12] over to the [31:13] head prosecutor [31:14] of article [31:15] 4, that is [31:16] threat, the [31:17] Honorable [31:18] Lawrence [31:18] Defensor. [31:19] May I request [31:19] that he be [31:20] recognized, Your [31:21] Honor. [31:23] The member of [31:23] the panel of [31:25] prosecutors, [31:25] Congressman [31:26] the Honorable [31:27] Lawrence [31:27] Defensor, is [31:28] recognized for [31:30] his introduction [31:32] of article 4, [31:33] I presume. [31:33] Thank you so [31:34] much, Mr. [31:35] presiding [31:35] officer, may [31:36] I be allowed [31:36] to make a [31:37] manifestation to [31:38] introduce article [31:39] 4. [31:39] Before you [31:40] proceed, Senator [31:41] Judge Cayetano is [31:43] recognized. [31:43] Before that, I [31:44] ask for your [31:46] indulgence from the [31:47] prosecution and [31:48] the defense. [31:51] There are certain [31:52] issues that we are [31:55] more than willing to [31:56] listen to the [31:57] debate here. [31:58] I'm speaking for [31:59] myself, but I [31:59] think for also [32:00] other senator [32:01] judges, and of [32:02] course will give [32:03] us much leeway, but [32:04] there are certain [32:05] issues that we also [32:07] need time to [32:07] study. [32:09] So if we look at [32:10] our rules of [32:10] impeachment, [32:11] supletory kasi [32:12] yung rules ng [32:14] rules of court, [32:16] and the [32:16] difference between [32:17] asking the [32:20] accused to take [32:21] the stand, and [32:23] asking someone who [32:24] is not the [32:24] accused, but we [32:26] may say something [32:28] that is [32:28] incriminatory, [32:31] there's a wide [32:32] difference. [32:32] So the accused, [32:33] under the rules [32:34] of court, [32:35] hindi mo pwedeng [32:35] force to take [32:36] the stand. [32:38] Pero yung [32:38] hindi accused, [32:39] they have to [32:40] take the stand [32:41] and wait for [32:42] the question, [32:44] and then they [32:44] can claim the [32:47] right against [32:47] self-incrimination. [32:50] But it could be [32:51] argued that this [32:52] isn't exactly a [32:55] criminal court in [32:56] a criminal fence, [32:57] it's an impeachment [32:58] court. [32:59] So if it pleases [33:00] the court, or if [33:01] the prosecution is [33:02] sure to ask for [33:04] the subpoena, may I [33:05] propose, [33:06] sir presiding [33:07] officer, that both [33:08] sides give us a [33:09] memoranda in advance [33:11] so that we can also [33:13] do our part and [33:14] study rather than [33:15] spend much more [33:17] time during the [33:18] debates, because I [33:19] really like to study [33:20] that issue also. [33:21] Thank you, and [33:22] sorry for the [33:22] interruption, [33:23] congressman. [33:24] Noted, senator [33:24] Cayetano, however, [33:25] it is premature at [33:26] this time. [33:27] We will do what we [33:28] did with respect to [33:29] the motion for [33:29] the issuance of [33:30] subpoena [33:31] at testificando [33:32] in regard to the [33:34] bank accounts of [33:36] the spouses [33:37] Duterte and [33:39] Carpio, as well [33:39] as the AMLC [33:40] records. [33:41] We require the [33:42] parties to submit [33:42] a memoranda, and [33:44] we will be [33:45] scheduling it for [33:46] oral arguments [33:47] by the parties. [33:48] If that is the [33:49] desire of the [33:50] honorable senator [33:51] judge Cayetano, we [33:51] will do the same [33:52] with respect to [33:53] this once the [33:54] motion has been [33:55] filed formally by [33:57] the panel of [33:58] prosecutors. [34:00] The honorable [34:00] defensor is [34:01] recognized. [34:01] You may proceed, [34:02] sir. [34:02] Thank you so [34:03] much, your [34:03] honor. [34:05] Honorable [34:06] senator [34:06] judges, [34:08] knowing [34:08] 22 [34:09] of [34:10] 2026, [34:13] the whole [34:15] country [34:16] is [34:17] in a [34:18] study. [34:20] Sorry, [34:20] excuse me. [34:21] Your [34:21] honor, may I [34:22] be allowed to [34:22] finish my [34:23] manifestation? [34:23] I will not [34:24] disrespect and [34:25] interrupt the [34:26] defense council [34:26] once he has [34:28] started. [34:28] This is no [34:29] disrespect. [34:30] Council for [34:30] respondents [34:31] is recognized. [34:32] Thank you, [34:32] your honor. [34:32] Your [34:33] honor, this [34:33] is improper. [34:34] improper for [34:36] trial. [34:37] This is not a [34:38] manifestation proper [34:39] for court procedure. [34:41] This is instead [34:42] them telling a [34:43] story. [34:43] This is a [34:44] narration by the [34:45] prosecution, [34:46] which is not [34:46] allowed. [34:46] This is not [34:47] allowed by any [34:48] rule in any [34:49] court. [34:50] So what is [34:52] proper is that [34:52] they present their [34:53] first witness. [34:54] We will be [34:55] presenting our [34:55] witness, your [34:56] honor. [34:56] However, please [34:57] allow us to [34:58] freely advocate [34:59] our position, [35:00] including the [35:01] defense when [35:02] it's their [35:02] turn. [35:03] We will [35:03] not object [35:04] to the [35:04] same. [35:04] Thank you, [35:06] your honor. [35:07] Yes, you [35:09] were saying. [35:09] Thank you, [35:10] honorable [35:10] senator [35:11] judges. [35:12] No, no, no, [35:14] kindly finish [35:15] your reply to [35:16] the objection [35:17] of council [35:17] for [35:18] respondent. [35:19] Allow us [35:20] to freely [35:21] advocate our [35:22] positions through [35:24] the proper and [35:25] respectful discourse. [35:27] This is not [35:28] prohibited under [35:29] the rules. [35:29] In fact, the [35:30] court has [35:31] declared that [35:32] yesterday, the [35:34] rules will not [35:35] comply with the [35:35] strict procedures [35:36] of a judicial [35:38] proceeding. [35:39] Each article is a [35:41] separate complaint [35:41] and it would be [35:43] the proper guidance [35:44] for the senator [35:44] judges, lalo na po [35:46] sa ating mga kapwa [35:47] Pilipino na [35:48] nanonood, para [35:49] mas lalo nilang [35:50] maunawaan ang [35:51] ipipresenta [35:52] naming [35:52] ebidensya. [35:54] The impeachment [35:55] is a sui [35:56] hineris. [35:58] Sui hineris [35:59] dahil kakaiba [35:59] ito, hindi [36:00] ito judicial [36:01] administrative [36:02] or civil [36:02] or criminal [36:03] proceeding. [36:04] Hayaan niyo po [36:05] kaming [36:05] magbigyan ng [36:07] limang minuto [36:08] para mailatag [36:09] namin kung paano [36:10] namin maipresenta [36:11] at ang basihan [36:12] namin sa pagpresenta [36:13] ng abing [36:14] ebidensya. [36:15] Your Honor, may [36:15] I respond. [36:16] The presiding [36:17] officer, [36:17] Sir Rourle, [36:18] although indeed [36:21] we will interpret [36:22] the rules [36:22] liberally, [36:23] and although indeed [36:24] this is a sui [36:25] generis proceeding, [36:27] neither will [36:27] be allowed [36:28] any dilatory [36:29] moves and [36:30] or tactics, [36:31] and I will [36:31] bind and [36:32] hold you [36:32] to your [36:33] five minutes, [36:34] Honorable [36:34] Defensor. [36:34] Absolutely, [36:35] Your Honor. [36:36] Clock it. [36:37] We will afford [36:38] the same [36:38] opportunity [36:39] to the [36:39] Council for [36:40] respondents [36:40] when their [36:41] turn arrives. [36:42] Thank you, [36:42] Your Honor. [36:42] May I proceed, [36:43] Your Honor? [36:43] You may proceed. [36:44] Honorable [36:45] Senators [36:46] Judges, [36:47] Noong [36:47] ikadalawamput [36:47] dalawa [36:48] ng [36:48] Junyo [36:48] 2026, [36:51] nagulat [36:51] at nagdalamhati [36:52] ang buong [36:52] bansa [36:53] sa pamamaril [36:54] sa isang [36:55] paaralan [36:55] sa Tacloban [36:56] City [36:56] na ikinasawi [36:58] ng tatlong [36:59] batang [37:00] mag-aaral [37:01] at ikinasugat [37:02] ng marami [37:02] pang-iba [37:03] ang mga [37:05] salarin, [37:06] mga [37:06] minor [37:07] de edad. [37:08] Sa kabila [37:09] ng kanilang [37:09] murang [37:10] edad, [37:11] agad [37:11] na pumilos [37:12] ang mga [37:12] otoridad [37:13] upang [37:14] ipatubad [37:15] ang mga [37:15] umiiral [37:16] na batas. [37:18] Ang mensahe [37:18] ay malinaw. [37:20] Ang pagpigiging [37:22] bata [37:22] ay hindi [37:23] nangangahulugang [37:24] walang [37:24] pananagutan. [37:26] Ang pananagutan [37:27] ay umiiral [37:28] pagamat iba [37:30] ang paraan [37:30] ng pagpapatupad [37:31] nito [37:32] sa ilalim [37:32] ng batas. [37:34] Kamakailan, [37:36] isang pasahero [37:36] ang inaresto [37:37] sa airport [37:38] at kinasuhan [37:39] matapos itong [37:40] magbiro [37:41] na may bomba [37:42] sa kanyang [37:43] bagay. [37:44] Dahil mahigpit [37:45] na ipinapatupad [37:46] ng mga [37:47] otoridad [37:48] ang patakarang [37:49] zero [37:50] tolerance [37:51] policy [37:51] sa anumang [37:53] pagbabanggit [37:54] ng bomba [37:55] o anumang [37:55] pampasabok. [37:57] Sa isang [37:58] hiwalay [37:59] na pangyayari [37:59] noong [38:00] Mayo [38:00] 2020, [38:02] isang public [38:03] school teacher [38:04] ang inaresto, [38:05] pinusasan [38:06] at kinasuhan [38:07] ng NBI [38:08] sa Zambales [38:09] matapos [38:10] magbiro [38:11] na magbibigay [38:12] ng pabuya [38:13] sa sino [38:13] mang papatay [38:14] sa Presidente [38:15] ng Republika. [38:17] Ano ang prinsipyo [38:18] dito? [38:19] Ang pananagutan [38:20] ay pinapairal [38:23] sa lahat, [38:24] bata man [38:24] o matanda, [38:26] nasa laylayan [38:27] man [38:27] o nasa katungkulan. [38:29] The prosecution [38:30] comes before you [38:31] today [38:32] to present [38:33] evidence [38:34] for Article 4 [38:35] establishing [38:37] that Vice [38:37] President [38:38] Sarah Zimmerman [38:39] Duterte [38:40] committed [38:40] acts [38:41] that betrayed [38:42] the public [38:42] trust, [38:43] committed [38:44] culpable [38:45] violation [38:46] of the Constitution, [38:48] committed [38:48] high crimes [38:49] in publicly [38:51] admitting [38:51] through a live [38:52] broadcast [38:53] that she [38:54] contracted [38:54] someone [38:55] to assassinate [38:56] the President, [38:58] the First Lady, [38:59] and the former [39:00] House Speaker. [39:01] We acknowledge [39:03] the burden [39:04] of this trial [39:05] on the senator [39:05] judges [39:06] as well as [39:07] the Filipino people, [39:09] but it is a duty [39:10] that we must [39:11] discharge together, [39:14] lest the public [39:14] come to believe [39:15] that threatening [39:16] public officials [39:17] and fostering [39:19] a culture [39:20] of impunity [39:21] or conduct [39:22] that may be [39:23] tolerated [39:23] or condoned, [39:25] especially coming [39:26] from the second [39:27] highest official [39:29] of the land. [39:31] Ang mga kilos [39:32] at salita [39:32] ng Vice Presidente [39:34] ay hindi dapat [39:35] ituring na [39:36] simple increment [39:37] sa ilalim ng batas, [39:39] kundi tuwirang [39:40] paglabag [39:41] sa saligang batas. [39:44] Kaya ang paglilitis [39:45] na ito [39:45] ay mahalagang [39:47] mekanismong [39:47] itinakda [39:48] upang tiyakin [39:50] na ang kapangyarihan [39:52] ay laging [39:52] may kaakibat [39:54] na pananagutan. [39:56] Accountability [39:57] must apply [39:57] to all [39:58] or none [39:59] at all. [40:01] At the heart [40:01] of this impeachment [40:02] proceeding [40:03] lies a fundamental [40:05] question [40:06] para sa ating lahat. [40:07] Can we continue [40:08] to entrust [40:09] one of the highest [40:11] constitutional offices [40:12] to a public [40:13] official [40:14] who on [40:16] multiple [40:16] occasions [40:17] purposely [40:18] and willfully [40:19] and repeatedly [40:21] resorted [40:22] to threats [40:22] of violence [40:23] against the [40:24] very institutions [40:25] that she swore [40:26] to uphold [40:27] and protect. [40:28] The evidence [40:29] presented in this [40:30] article [40:30] are not just [40:31] derived [40:32] from testimonies [40:33] and authenticated [40:34] documents [40:35] but from the [40:36] Vice Presidente's [40:37] own words, [40:39] own conduct, [40:40] her very own [40:41] public admissions. [40:43] Her words [40:44] were neither [40:44] accidental [40:45] nor taken [40:46] out of context. [40:48] They were uttered [40:49] publicly [40:50] with the intention [40:51] to be taken [40:52] seriously. [40:55] Huwag kang mag-alala ma'am [40:56] sa security ko [40:57] kasi may kinausap na ako [40:59] na tao [41:00] at sinabi ko sa kanya [41:01] na kapag pinatay ako [41:03] patayin mo [41:04] si BBM, [41:06] si Lisa Marcos, [41:08] si Martin Romaldes. [41:10] No joke. [41:11] No joke. [41:13] What makes these threats [41:14] especially sinister [41:15] is that they do not [41:17] come from an ordinary [41:18] citizen [41:18] but from the [41:20] Vice President herself, [41:22] an official [41:22] who under the [41:23] Constitution [41:24] stands to succeed [41:26] the President [41:27] of the Republic. [41:29] Such statements [41:30] carry a gravity [41:31] far from the [41:32] exercise of one's [41:33] freedom of expression. [41:35] They strike [41:36] at the very heart [41:37] of government. [41:38] This is especially [41:39] significant [41:40] given that she [41:41] has publicly [41:42] declared her intention [41:43] to run for [41:44] President [41:45] in the next election. [41:47] What values [41:48] do we expect [41:49] from those [41:50] who occupy [41:51] the highest [41:52] office [41:52] in the land? [41:54] Telecadesa, [41:56] palabra de honor, [41:58] integrity, [41:59] and loyalty [42:00] to your oath [42:00] of office. [42:01] These are not [42:02] outdated ideals. [42:04] They are the [42:04] foundations [42:05] of honorable [42:05] public office. [42:07] Maraming salamat po, [42:08] your honors. [42:10] The remarks [42:12] of the gentleman [42:13] are duly noted. [42:15] However, [42:16] Chair would like [42:16] to inform [42:17] and instruct [42:18] the senator judges [42:18] that the statement [42:20] and manifestation [42:21] made by [42:22] the honorable [42:22] defensor [42:23] should not [42:24] in any way [42:24] be taken [42:25] as evidentiary [42:26] because it was [42:28] merely a manifestation [42:29] cum introduction [42:30] of the fourth [42:31] article of impeachment. [42:32] Any evidence [42:33] to be presented [42:34] proving the fourth [42:34] article of impeachment [42:35] should be done [42:37] through a witness. [42:38] under oath, [42:40] duly subscribed, [42:41] and subjected [42:42] to direct [42:43] and cross-examination. [42:44] Call your first witness. [42:45] Your Honor, [42:46] may I be allowed [42:46] also to? [42:48] Your Honor, [42:48] we move to strike [42:49] that opening statement. [42:52] It's improper [42:53] for trial. [42:55] It is not [42:56] evidentiary [42:57] in nature, [42:59] and it only provides [43:01] conclusions [43:02] of fact and law. [43:04] Most of it [43:04] is irrelevant, [43:06] and fact of the matter [43:08] is the prosecution [43:09] should not [43:10] present, [43:12] should present evidence [43:13] and not manifest [43:14] in this improper manner. [43:17] May I be recognized, [43:18] Your Honor? [43:19] No need. [43:21] Motion is denied. [43:22] Let it remain [43:23] in the records [43:23] and as instructed [43:24] by the Chair [43:25] for the Senator judges [43:26] not to consider, [43:27] deem, [43:28] whatever statements [43:28] were given [43:29] by the honorable [43:29] defensor [43:30] as evidentiary [43:31] in any way, [43:32] shape, [43:33] size, [43:33] or form. [43:34] Again, [43:35] counsel, [43:35] call your first witness. [43:36] Your Honor, [43:37] may I request [43:38] permission [43:38] to recognize [43:39] counsel [43:40] for the Panel [43:40] of Prosecutors, [43:42] Attorney Virgil Ligutan [43:43] to conduct [43:44] the examination [43:45] of our first witness. [43:47] He will be under [43:48] the direct suspension [43:49] and control [43:50] of the Panel [43:51] of Prosecutor. [43:52] I register [43:53] my continuing [43:54] objection [43:55] to the opening [43:57] statement [43:58] by the Prosecution. [44:00] Well, [44:00] I don't think [44:01] he'll do it again [44:01] but nevertheless, [44:02] so noted. [44:03] Thank you, [44:04] Your Honor. [44:04] May I request [44:05] that Attorney [44:05] Virgil Ligutan [44:06] be recognized [44:07] to conduct [44:08] the examination [44:09] of our first witness. [44:10] Counsel for Prosecutors, [44:14] Attorney Virgil [44:16] Ligutan [44:16] so that we can [44:18] have the records [44:19] clear. [44:20] Did I pronounce [44:21] your name [44:21] correctly, [44:22] Sir? [44:22] Your Honor, [44:23] Magandang Hapon. [44:25] My full name [44:26] is Attorney [44:27] Amando Virgil [44:29] Discartin Ligutan. [44:31] Your Honor, [44:31] please. [44:32] And you've entered [44:32] your appearance [44:33] yesterday? [44:34] Yes, [44:34] Your Honor. [44:35] Julie entered [44:36] my appearance [44:36] as one of the [44:38] counsel for [44:39] the Prosecutor. [44:39] You may proceed, [44:40] Sir. [44:40] Call your first witness. [44:41] Thank you so much. [44:44] Mga kababayan, [44:45] we call to the witness stand [44:47] the first witness [44:50] for the prosecution [44:51] in the person [44:53] of NBI Senior Agents [44:56] Jean-Marc Santa Ana [44:57] Calilong. [45:01] Kindly bringing [45:04] the witness [45:04] to the witness stand. [45:05] Please remain standing. [45:20] Clerk of Court [45:20] is instructed [45:21] to kindly administer [45:22] the oath [45:23] to the witness. [45:24] Please raise [45:24] your right hand. [45:26] You, [45:27] Jean-Marc Calilong. [45:28] I, [45:28] Jean-Marc Calilong. [45:29] Do swear [45:30] that the evidence [45:31] you shall give [45:32] the evidence [45:33] that I'll give. [45:33] in the case [45:34] now pending [45:35] between the Philippines [45:37] and Vice President [45:40] Cyrus Zimmerman Duterte [45:42] shall be the truth [45:45] shall be the truth [45:46] the whole truth [45:47] and nothing but the truth. [45:49] So help me God. [45:51] So help me God. [45:52] Your witness counsel. [45:55] Thank you so much, [45:57] Your Honors. [46:09] Your Honors, [46:11] mga kababayan, [46:13] the testimony [46:14] of the first witness [46:15] for the prosecution, [46:17] NBI Senior Agent [46:19] John-Marc Santa Ana Calilong [46:22] is offered [46:23] to prove [46:24] the following. [46:27] Number one, [46:28] si Agent [46:29] John-Marc Calilong [46:31] ay isang [46:31] Senior Agent [46:32] of the National [46:34] Bureau of Investigation. [46:37] Number two, [46:38] he is [46:39] well-trained [46:40] and experienced [46:42] in the field [46:44] of digital [46:45] forensic examination [46:46] having undergone [46:48] extensive training [46:50] in the field [46:51] making him [46:52] competent [46:53] in identifying, [46:56] preserving, [46:58] collecting, [46:59] and authenticating [47:01] digital evidence. [47:02] Pangatlo, [47:06] si Agent Calilong [47:07] ay bahagi [47:08] ng NBI [47:10] Cybercrime [47:11] Division Team [47:12] na inatasang [47:14] mag-imbestiga [47:14] sa mga pahayag [47:16] at pagbabanta [47:20] ng Vice Presidente [47:22] laban [47:24] sa Pangulo [47:25] ng Pilipinas [47:26] unang ginang [47:27] at dating [47:28] Speaker [47:29] ng House [47:29] of Representatives [47:30] sa isang [47:31] online [47:32] media briefing [47:33] noong Nobyembre [47:34] 23 [47:35] taong [47:36] 2024 [47:37] pang-apat [47:38] particular [47:40] na sinabi [47:41] sa publiko [47:42] ng Vice Presidente [47:44] na may [47:46] kinontrata [47:47] na siyang [47:48] tao [47:48] na papatay [47:52] na papatay [47:56] sa Pangulo [47:56] unang ginang [47:58] at former Speaker [47:59] ng House [47:59] of Representatives [48:00] at ito [48:04] ay nakatatak [48:05] na sa kasaysayan [48:06] ng ating bansa [48:07] bilang unang [48:09] pagkakataon [48:11] na ang isang [48:12] Vice Presidente [48:14] ay nakipagkontrat [48:16] sa isang [48:18] mamamatay tao [48:20] upang [48:23] patayin [48:24] no less than [48:26] the Presidents [48:29] of the Republic [48:32] of the Philippines [48:35] Pangliba [48:37] Your Honor [48:38] May I object [48:38] Is this a speech [48:40] or an offer [48:40] Your Honor [48:41] please [48:41] with all due [48:42] respect to [48:43] Council [48:43] May I register [48:48] my continuing [48:49] objection [48:49] There is no [48:50] proper ground [48:51] this is [48:51] offer [48:52] and testimony [48:52] please [48:53] please hold [48:53] your horses [48:54] number five [48:55] number five [48:55] the public [48:56] statements [48:57] and threats [48:58] of the [48:58] Vice President [48:59] were publicly [49:01] live streamed [49:02] and captured [49:03] on video [49:05] number six [49:07] Agent Kalilong [49:09] is the designated [49:10] agent on case [49:11] for the investigation [49:12] number seven [49:14] as agents [49:16] on case [49:17] Agent Kalilong [49:19] personally conducted [49:21] and participated [49:23] in the cybercrime [49:26] and open source [49:28] investigation [49:28] relating to the [49:30] subject video [49:30] and related [49:32] digital recordings [49:34] Pangwalo [49:36] sa takbo [49:40] ng open source [49:42] investigation [49:43] na pag-alaman [49:44] ng NBI [49:45] na ang [49:47] Vice President [49:48] ay nagpahayag [49:50] din [49:50] ng iba [49:52] pangkahawig [49:53] na pananakot [49:55] sa buhay [49:56] ng Pangulo [49:56] kasama na [49:58] ang sinabi niya [49:59] sa publiko [50:01] na minsan [50:02] minsan [50:04] naisip niyang [50:05] pugutan [50:09] ng ulo [50:11] ang Pangulo [50:13] ng Republika [50:14] ng Pilipinas [50:15] number nine [50:16] in the course [50:18] of the investigation [50:19] Agent Kalilong [50:21] duly identified [50:22] preserved [50:23] collected [50:24] and authenticated [50:26] the subject video [50:28] and other [50:29] related [50:30] digital recordings [50:31] at number ten [50:33] the last offer [50:33] of testimony [50:34] your honors [50:35] Agent Kalilong [50:36] will testify [50:37] on such [50:39] other matters [50:40] as may be [50:40] relevant [50:41] material [50:43] incidental [50:45] to the issues [50:46] involved in this [50:47] impeachment proceeding [50:48] and will identify [50:49] relevant [50:51] and material [50:52] documentary [50:53] and object [50:54] pieces of evidence [50:55] that is the offer [50:56] of testimony [50:57] of our first witness [50:58] your honor [50:58] please [50:58] your honor [51:00] we will now hear [51:01] the objection [51:01] and our comments [51:02] if any [51:03] of the counsel [51:03] correspondent [51:04] to the offer [51:05] made by counsel [51:07] for the [51:08] persecution [51:08] may we move [51:11] may we move [51:11] for the exclusion [51:12] of Agent Kalilong [51:13] for being [51:17] not previously [51:19] attached to the [51:19] Sabalia and Cabrera [51:20] complaints [51:21] as well as [51:23] exclusion [51:23] on the ground [51:25] that the [51:26] his [51:27] he was not [51:28] included [51:29] in the articles [51:29] of impeachment [51:31] transmitted [51:32] to the Senate [51:33] impeachment court [51:34] can I respond [51:35] to that [51:36] your honor [51:36] please [51:36] counsel [51:37] for prosecutor [51:38] may do so [51:38] mga kababayan [51:39] in this stage [51:41] of the proceedings [51:42] the prosecution [51:43] is about to present [51:44] a witness [51:45] and the defense [51:47] is invoking [51:49] the facts [51:50] that this witness [51:52] is not listed [51:53] as one of the [51:54] witnesses [51:54] in the Sabalia [51:55] complaint [51:56] the Sabalia [51:57] complaint [51:58] already lived [51:59] its natural life [52:00] your honor [52:01] this is [52:02] the impeachment [52:03] proceeding [52:04] of the articles [52:05] of impeachment [52:06] filed [52:07] by the House [52:08] of Representatives [52:09] Sabalia et al [52:10] is done [52:11] that should not [52:13] be a proper [52:14] objection [52:14] your honor [52:15] please [52:15] as to the [52:16] number two [52:16] I think [52:17] the good counsel [52:18] mentioned [52:18] that it is [52:19] not part [52:20] this witness [52:21] is not part [52:22] of the articles [52:22] of impeachment [52:23] your honor [52:26] please [52:26] I have [52:26] been practicing [52:27] for quite some [52:29] time [52:29] I don't see that [52:30] your honor [52:31] may allow [52:31] to reply [52:32] also [52:32] can I finish [52:33] it's not [52:35] a ground [52:36] and in fact [52:37] your honor [52:37] please [52:37] to settle [52:38] the matter [52:38] this witness [52:40] is listed [52:41] in the [52:42] pretrial order [52:44] the issue [52:45] is settled [52:46] the issue [52:47] is passe [52:47] no ground [52:49] for objection [52:49] let me proceed [52:50] your honor [52:50] of course [52:52] not your honor [52:52] there were no [52:53] rulings [52:53] counsel [52:54] correspondent [52:55] is recognized [52:56] for a final [52:57] rebuttal [52:58] on this issue [52:58] before the [52:59] court [52:59] before the [53:00] chair [53:00] will issue [53:00] ruling [53:00] your honor [53:01] there were [53:01] no rulings [53:02] on the [53:02] pretrial [53:03] order [53:03] and exclusion [53:04] of witnesses [53:04] we have [53:05] a current [53:07] petition [53:08] with the [53:09] supreme [53:09] court [53:09] questioning [53:10] the very [53:10] actions [53:11] of the [53:12] prosecution [53:13] to allow [53:14] the presentation [53:15] of evidence [53:16] that were not [53:17] attached to the [53:17] sabalia or cabera [53:18] in police [53:19] complaints [53:19] would allow [53:20] the house [53:21] of representatives [53:22] and the [53:23] prosecution [53:23] to circumvent [53:24] the very [53:24] procedural abuse [53:25] condemned [53:26] in stonehill [53:26] versus [53:27] jocno [53:27] and allow [53:28] the violation [53:29] of the [53:29] respondents [53:30] constitutional [53:30] rights [53:31] as held [53:31] in Duterte [53:32] versus the [53:34] house of [53:34] representatives [53:35] your honor [53:35] the prosecution [53:37] says [53:38] the sabalia [53:39] complaints [53:39] have lived [53:42] and they [53:43] died [53:43] their natural [53:44] deaths [53:45] however [53:46] your honor [53:46] this precisely [53:48] does not [53:49] cure [53:49] what the [53:50] prosecution [53:51] did [53:51] this does not [53:53] cure [53:54] the [53:55] violation [53:56] of the [53:56] rights [53:56] of my [53:57] client [53:57] if I may [53:59] your honor [53:59] please [54:00] the chair [54:01] will make [54:01] its ruling [54:02] the motion [54:05] to exclude [54:05] by the [54:06] counsel [54:06] for respondent [54:07] is hereby [54:08] denied [54:08] chair [54:08] cites [54:09] and really [54:09] versus [54:10] and you [54:10] can buy [54:10] in which [54:11] states [54:11] that [54:11] the [54:12] prosecutors [54:13] may [54:13] add or [54:14] rely on [54:14] evidence [54:15] during [54:15] free trial [54:16] even if [54:16] the evidence [54:17] is not [54:17] stated [54:17] in the [54:18] complaint [54:19] or [54:19] articles [54:19] because [54:20] only a [54:20] summary [54:20] is required [54:21] to be [54:21] stated [54:21] in the [54:23] articles [54:23] of [54:23] impeachment [54:24] in this [54:24] case [54:24] and or [54:25] complaint [54:26] and not [54:26] a complete [54:27] list [54:27] of the [54:28] prosecution's [54:29] evidence [54:30] and or [54:31] witnesses [54:32] the court [54:33] in general [54:34] will not [54:34] shackle the [54:35] prosecution [54:35] by limiting [54:36] it to [54:36] the evidence [54:37] mentioned [54:37] in the [54:38] information [54:39] and or [54:40] the articles [54:40] especially [54:41] when it [54:41] is mentioned [54:41] in the [54:42] pretrial [54:43] brief [54:44] not only [54:45] order [54:45] but brief [54:46] of the [54:47] counsel [54:47] for [54:47] persecutors [54:48] but [54:48] in relation [54:50] to this [54:50] witness [54:50] even if you [54:51] will do [54:51] cross [54:51] you can [54:52] register [54:52] your continuing [54:53] objection [54:53] counsel [54:54] for responding [54:54] we are [54:55] registering [54:55] it [54:56] your [54:56] honor [54:56] please [54:56] so [54:57] noted [54:57] counsel [54:58] for the [54:58] prosecution [54:58] may proceed [54:59] thank you [54:59] so much [55:00] your [55:00] honor [55:00] john [55:01] mark [55:01] kalilong [55:02] your [55:02] honor [55:02] may I [55:03] register [55:03] my [55:03] objections [55:04] to the [55:04] purposes [55:05] your [55:07] honor [55:07] please [55:08] I [55:08] think [55:08] the [55:08] purposes [55:09] must be [55:09] specified [55:10] what are [55:10] your [55:10] objections [55:10] on what [55:11] grounds [55:11] may I [55:12] be [55:12] allowed [55:12] you may [55:12] comment [55:12] on the [55:13] offer [55:13] of the [55:15] testimony [55:15] of this [55:16] witness [55:16] for the [55:16] record [55:17] your [55:17] honor [55:17] for the [55:18] purpose [55:19] number [55:19] three [55:19] this is a [55:20] conclusion [55:20] of fact [55:21] and law [55:21] for the [55:23] fourth [55:23] purpose [55:25] it is also [55:26] a conclusion [55:26] of fact [55:27] and law [55:27] and the [55:28] eighth [55:28] purpose [55:29] it is a [55:30] conclusion [55:30] of fact [55:31] and law [55:31] counsel [55:33] for [55:33] respondent [55:35] before [55:36] we [55:36] yes [55:37] senator [55:38] judge [55:38] Pia [55:39] I would [55:40] just like [55:41] the [55:42] defense [55:42] when you [55:43] say [55:43] item [55:44] number [55:44] three [55:45] can you [55:46] repeat [55:46] what it [55:46] is [55:46] because [55:46] I'm [55:47] trying [55:47] to [55:47] follow [55:47] exactly [55:48] what [55:48] your [55:48] objection [55:49] is [55:49] so [55:50] either [55:50] you [55:51] say [55:51] it [55:51] or [55:51] he [55:51] repeats [55:51] it [55:52] so [55:52] we [55:52] can [55:52] follow [55:52] I [55:53] was [55:53] about [55:53] to [55:53] do [55:53] that [55:53] actually [55:54] thank [55:54] you [55:54] item [55:56] number [55:56] three [55:57] in the [55:57] offer [55:58] of [55:58] this [55:58] witness [55:59] is [56:00] that [56:00] the [56:00] NBI [56:01] agent [56:02] being [56:02] presented [56:02] is [56:03] part [56:03] of [56:04] its [56:04] cyber [56:04] crime [56:05] unit [56:05] that [56:05] investigated [56:06] this [56:06] matter [56:08] that's [56:11] what [56:11] you're [56:11] referring [56:12] to [56:12] as [56:12] the [56:12] conclusion [56:12] of [56:12] law [56:13] council [56:13] sorry [56:14] number [56:15] four [56:15] number [56:15] four [56:16] your [56:16] honor [56:16] yes [56:17] not [56:17] number [56:17] three [56:17] so [56:18] number [56:19] four [56:19] and [56:19] what [56:19] else [56:20] number [56:20] eight [56:20] your [56:20] honor [56:20] number [56:24] eight [56:25] on [56:25] other [56:25] threats [56:25] other than [56:26] the [56:26] video [56:27] mentioned [56:28] in [56:28] the [56:28] press [56:28] briefing [56:29] yes [56:29] yes [56:29] your [56:29] honor [56:29] correct [56:31] yes [56:32] your [56:32] honor [56:33] we [56:33] will [56:33] not [56:34] reply [56:35] to [56:35] that [56:35] your [56:35] honor [56:35] please [56:36] may [56:37] I [56:39] continue [56:39] your [56:40] honor [56:40] please [56:40] you [56:40] may [56:40] continue [56:41] to [56:41] present [56:42] your [56:42] first [56:43] witness [56:43] counsel [56:43] thank you [56:44] so much [56:44] mr. [56:45] Kalilong [56:46] reminder [56:47] nakikinig [56:48] yung [56:48] taong [56:48] bayan [56:49] pakilakasan [56:49] ng [56:49] boses [56:50] okay [56:50] okay [56:51] mr. [56:53] witness [56:54] maari [56:55] bang [56:55] sabihin [56:56] mo [56:56] ano [56:56] yung [56:56] pangalan [56:57] edad [56:58] at [56:59] other [56:59] personal [57:00] circumstances [57:00] i am [57:03] senior [57:03] agent [57:03] john [57:04] mark [57:04] kalilong [57:04] a [57:05] filipino [57:06] citizen [57:06] 31 [57:07] years [57:07] old [57:08] with [57:08] office [57:08] address [57:09] at [57:09] nbi [57:10] fill [57:10] in [57:10] best [57:10] cyber [57:11] zone [57:11] based [57:11] city [57:12] makapagal [57:12] boulevard [57:13] pasay [57:13] city [57:14] sir [57:14] and [57:14] mr. [57:15] witness [57:15] reminder [57:16] you may [57:18] filipino [57:19] or [57:19] tagalo [57:19] or [57:20] filipino [57:20] or [57:21] english [57:21] okay [57:21] mr. [57:22] witness [57:22] what is [57:23] your [57:23] occupation [57:24] if [57:25] any [57:25] i'm [57:30] an agent [57:31] since [57:31] 2021 [57:32] and was [57:32] recently [57:33] assigned [57:33] at [57:33] cyber [57:34] investigation [57:34] and [57:35] assessment [57:35] center [57:36] in [57:36] april [57:37] 2026 [57:37] okay [57:38] you said [57:39] that you [57:40] have been [57:40] an agent [57:41] of the [57:41] nbi [57:41] since [57:43] 2021 [57:43] pero [57:45] you [57:45] were [57:45] recently [57:46] assigned [57:47] to the [57:47] cyber [57:48] crime [57:48] investigation [57:49] and [57:49] assessment [57:50] center [57:51] of the [57:51] nbi [57:51] now [57:52] ano [57:52] ba [57:52] yung [57:53] position [57:53] mo [57:53] before [57:54] you [57:55] were [57:55] assigned [57:56] to the [57:56] cyber [57:57] crime [57:57] investigation [57:58] and [57:58] assessment [57:58] center [57:59] kung [57:59] meron [58:00] man [58:00] in [58:02] 2022 [58:02] i was [58:03] assigned [58:03] at [58:04] digital [58:04] forensic [58:05] laboratory [58:05] division [58:06] and [58:06] in [58:07] 2024 [58:07] in [58:08] cyber [58:08] crime [58:08] division [58:09] sir [58:09] okay [58:10] now [58:11] you [58:13] said [58:13] that [58:13] you [58:13] were [58:14] assigned [58:14] to [58:14] the [58:15] digital [58:15] forensics [58:16] laboratory [58:17] division [58:18] in [58:18] 2022 [58:18] now [58:19] yung [58:20] tanong [58:20] ano [58:20] ba [58:20] yung [58:21] mga [58:21] naging [58:22] primary [58:23] duties [58:24] and [58:25] functions [58:25] mo [58:25] bilang [58:26] ahente [58:26] ng [58:27] division [58:28] na yan [58:28] in [58:30] digital [58:30] forensic [58:31] my [58:31] primary [58:31] duties [58:32] is to [58:32] identify [58:33] preserve [58:34] collect [58:35] analyze [58:37] and present [58:37] digital [58:38] evidence [58:38] in court [58:39] sir [58:39] now [58:40] preliminary [58:41] question [58:42] have [58:43] you [58:43] undergone [58:44] any [58:45] training [58:46] as an [58:47] agent [58:47] of that [58:48] digital [58:48] forensics [58:49] laboratory [58:50] division [58:51] yes sir [58:53] now [58:54] kung [58:55] alam mo [58:56] ano ba yung [58:56] naging [58:56] trainings [58:57] in that [58:59] division [58:59] i have undergone [59:02] computer [59:02] hacking [59:03] forensic [59:03] investigation [59:04] training [59:04] mobile [59:05] forensics [59:06] computer [59:07] forensics [59:07] and photo [59:08] and video [59:09] authentication [59:09] training [59:10] sir [59:10] okay [59:10] so [59:11] the last [59:11] part of [59:12] your answer [59:12] Mr. [59:12] witness [59:13] you mentioned [59:14] that you [59:15] were trained [59:15] into photo [59:18] and video [59:20] authentication [59:21] now [59:21] specifically [59:22] now [59:22] ano ba yung [59:23] naging [59:23] trainings [59:24] in that [59:25] regard [59:26] photo [59:26] and video [59:28] authentication [59:29] kung meron [59:30] man [59:30] i was [59:31] trained [59:32] for two [59:32] weeks [59:33] intensive [59:33] training [59:34] in july [59:35] 2022 [59:36] by max [59:37] core [59:37] intervention [59:38] sir [59:38] in digital [59:38] forensic [59:39] now [59:40] sabi [59:40] mo [59:41] ano ba [59:41] yun [59:42] two weeks [59:42] of [59:42] intensive [59:43] training [59:44] yung tanong [59:45] Mr. [59:45] witness [59:45] specifically [59:46] what [59:47] happened [59:48] in that [59:49] you said [59:49] two weeks [59:50] of [59:51] intensive [59:52] training [59:52] i was [59:54] trained to [59:54] perform [59:54] digital [59:55] forensic [59:55] examination [59:56] sir [59:56] now [59:57] Mr. [59:57] witness [59:58] you tell [59:58] the public [59:59] what [1:00:00] what is [1:00:00] the [1:00:00] objective [1:00:01] if [1:00:02] any [1:00:02] what [1:00:03] is [1:00:03] the [1:00:03] objective [1:00:04] if [1:00:04] any [1:00:04] if [1:00:04] you [1:00:04] know [1:00:05] of [1:00:06] that 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[1:30:20] Yes, counsel for the respondent. [1:30:39] Thank you. [1:30:41] You may proceed, sir. [1:30:42] For your comments. [1:30:43] Sir, for your honor, for P-I, P-4-9H. [1:30:52] Your honor, there is a CD in the original. [1:30:58] No, no. [1:31:01] 9-4. [1:31:09] 9-4. [1:31:11] Counsel, what are you referring to again? [1:31:13] P-P-4-9H. [1:31:21] Ano siya? [1:31:26] Before that. [1:31:29] Before that. [1:31:30] Before that. [1:31:31] Before that. [1:31:37] Before that. [1:31:38] Is this the same? [1:31:40] Sequence. [1:31:41] Sequence. [1:31:42] Sige, punta ka sa C muna. [1:31:44] Hanapin mo yung C. [1:31:45] Dito. [1:31:47] Dito. [1:31:48] Dito. [1:31:49] Dito. [1:31:50] Okay. [1:31:52] Next page. [1:31:53] Ian. [1:31:54] Okay. [1:31:55] Next page. [1:31:56] Next page. [1:31:57] Okay. [1:32:00] Next page. [1:32:01] Yeah. [1:32:02] Spot the difference. [1:32:03] Your honor, for P-4-9H. [1:32:08] In the original, there's a marking. [1:32:11] November 23. [1:32:13] And in the photocopy, it is only a photocopy of the CD. [1:32:23] Your honor. [1:32:25] So there's a difference. [1:32:26] Noted. [1:32:27] You can reply to that, your honor, please. [1:32:29] Counsel, let's get all of his comments first. [1:32:32] Thank you. [1:32:33] There's already a USB. [1:32:34] Your honor, the page after in the original is a USB, which is Annex E-1. [1:32:42] However. [1:32:43] With markings, October 18, 2024 video, CLPPS 182. [1:32:51] However, in the photocopy, there is no such. [1:32:55] Photocopy, the marked photocopy, there's no such thing. [1:32:59] Yeah. [1:33:00] So the order is no longer the same. [1:33:03] So the order is no longer the same moving forward, your honor. [1:33:06] Yeah, that's it. [1:33:07] Even in that very same one, which I assume is P-4-9K does not have any date marking, your honor. [1:33:16] It's not the same document. [1:33:18] It is not the same document. [1:33:20] It's not faithful reproduction of anything, your honor. [1:33:23] Your Honor. [1:33:24] The photocopy is not a faithful reproduction of the certified true copy. [1:33:28] That's what you're stating. [1:33:29] Yes, your honor. [1:33:30] What does the counsel for the prosecution say? [1:33:32] Your Honor, cultural manifestation that the documents that the defense are producing have been identified by the very person who authenticated and who executed that exhibit. [1:33:44] So, your honor, please, we move that the comments of the defense be noted, your honor, please. [1:33:50] Your honor, that's irrelevant. [1:33:51] What we're saying is that this is not the copy marked. [1:33:55] It is not the same as the original, which he says is the same thing, which is identified. [1:34:01] What he's saying is off-tangent. [1:34:03] What he identified earlier, which is the marked copy, which is the copy marked during pretrial, is not the same document as they are passing on as an original. [1:34:14] Your Honor, this is the issue here. [1:34:16] Counsel for Respondent. [1:34:18] That is a proper subject matter, too, for your cross to point, if at all, the distinction and difference between the two copies, which Counsel for the Persecution can use as a subject matter for his redirect. [1:34:31] Thank you, Your Honor. [1:34:32] Because you can confront the witness with respect to the certified true copy that is different from what he identified earlier, impending, if at all, his credibility as a witness in this case. [1:34:44] Thank you so much, Your Honor. [1:34:45] We note the comments and observations of the Counsel for the Respondent. [1:34:50] I got lost. [1:34:51] So it's being reviewed and has not yet been given to the witness, right? [1:34:54] Your Honor may just register our continuing objection. [1:34:57] So noted and so registered. [1:34:59] Thank you so much. [1:35:01] Can we proceed? [1:35:04] Before we proceed, the presiding officer was not there during pretrial. [1:35:15] As manifested by the Counsel for Respondent, was there indeed such an agreement that the originals will be presented during the trial? [1:35:26] Yes, Your Honor. [1:35:27] By both parties. [1:35:28] Can the Counsel for the Prosecutors also confirm that? [1:35:32] Your Honor, please. [1:35:33] We do not confirm. [1:35:34] I conferred with my team, the team who actually participated in the marking for Article 4. [1:35:39] Your Honor, please. [1:35:41] Be that as it may, Your Honor, please, we would like to put into record certain realities of the law. [1:35:48] A photocopy is now considered as an original. [1:35:53] 2019 amendments in the Rules and Evidence. [1:35:55] Number two, Your Honor, please. [1:35:57] This is the person who authenticated the documents. [1:36:00] So there's no other person who is competent to testify as to the veracity of those documents other than the witness. [1:36:08] Your Honor, please. [1:36:09] Your Honor, that's only a conclusion, Your Honor. [1:36:11] You do not confirm such an agreement during pretrial? [1:36:14] We do not confirm that, Your Honor, please. [1:36:16] So Chair would like to advise the parties. [1:36:20] The court understands the exceptions to the original document rule and will so implement the rules in that regard. [1:36:28] However, if it does not fall under the original document rule exceptions, then to save on the court's time, [1:36:35] the party presenting the document should present the original during trial to obey what we are seeing now. [1:36:43] Perhaps the next time you present a witness, counsel for the prosecutors and counsel for respondents. [1:36:49] Who will, Your Honor? [1:36:50] We appreciate that, Your Honor, please. [1:36:52] We understand that would be for the next presentation. [1:36:54] For the next one. [1:36:55] Please proceed. [1:36:56] Thank you so much. [1:36:57] Are we done now? [1:36:58] We move, Your Honor, please. [1:36:59] Your Honor, may I request that Hinat also address me directly? [1:37:04] So ordered, so instructed, kindly address all of your queries and statements to the presiding officer [1:37:12] and use the third person when referring to your fellow counsel for the other party. [1:37:16] Much obliged, Your Honor, please. [1:37:17] We move, Your Honor, please, that the marking in the affidavit of authentication of digital evidence [1:37:24] that was previously identified by the witness in photocopy, [1:37:28] the markings of the same be transposed, Your Honor, please, to the documents that this witness [1:37:35] is being confronted with at present, Your Honor, please. [1:37:37] We object to this, Your Honor. [1:37:39] This is precisely our earlier objection. [1:37:43] They're marking a new document. [1:37:46] That's why they're asking that it be marked again, which defeats the very purpose of our pretrial. [1:37:52] If I may reply, Your Honor, please. [1:37:57] Can I continue? [1:37:58] I wasn't done. [1:37:59] You kindly allow the counsel for the prosecution to speak. [1:38:01] So the hearing will proceed, Your Honor, please. [1:38:03] I will withdraw that motion. [1:38:04] We will stand by the presentation, the photocopy allowed by the rules, [1:38:09] and identified by the witness who actually executed the affidavit. [1:38:14] May proceed, Your Honor, please. [1:38:15] I hope to satisfy the counsel for the respondent. [1:38:17] You may proceed, sir. [1:38:18] Thank you so much, Your Honor. [1:38:20] Now, Mr. Witness, on page 3, sa pahin ng number 3, [1:38:26] of the Affidavit of Authentication of Digital Evidence, may makikitang isang pirma [1:38:32] sa ibabaw ng pangalang Agent John Mark Kalilong. [1:38:35] Now, yung tanong, kaninong pirma ba ito kung alam mo? [1:38:38] Pirma ko po, sir. [1:38:40] Now, sa page 4 ng nasabing Affidavit of Authentication of Digital Evidence, [1:38:46] may makikita din na isang pirma sa ibabaw ng pangalang Attorney Jeremy C. Lotok. [1:38:54] Now, kaninong pirma ito kung alam mo? [1:38:56] Pirma po ni Attorney Lotok. [1:38:59] Now, how do you know that it is the signature of Attorney Lotok? [1:39:05] Nakita ko pong pinirmahan niya yung document. [1:39:07] May mga document po ako na nakita at enacted upon na bearing his signature kaya pamilyar po ako. [1:39:14] Thank you so much, Your Honor. [1:39:17] Please, we proceed. [1:39:18] Mr. Witness, now, what action did you perform, if any, after you authenticated the subject video [1:39:29] in relation to the investigation you conducted on the statements of the Vice President? [1:39:34] I first saved the video on my laptop and saved a copy of the video on a DVD and a flash drive. [1:39:44] Okay, now, you mentioned that you saved a copy in a flash drive. [1:39:48] Mr. Witness, kung yung flash drive ipapakita sa'yo, will you be able to identify the same? [1:39:54] Objection, Your Honor. [1:39:55] Yes, sir. [1:39:56] We object. [1:39:57] What is the objection of the counsel for responding? [1:39:58] The document identified by the witness was the photocopy. [1:40:05] And the appended, there's no flash drive, CD, or anything appended upon that. [1:40:13] So there's nothing, no foundation for this question. [1:40:17] I have to reply to that, Your Honor, please. [1:40:18] Mr. Witness, counsel for the prosecution. [1:40:20] This is a non-issue. [1:40:22] I asked the witness what did he do after saving the video and he said he saved it in a flash drive [1:40:30] without referring to any document attached to the affidavit of authentication. [1:40:35] Basis is laid, Your Honor, please. [1:40:37] This is a non-issue. [1:40:38] We may proceed, Your Honor, please. [1:40:40] Your Honor, may I respond? [1:40:41] Counsel for the respondent. [1:40:43] This is not a surprise. [1:40:46] This was flash drives, several flash drives were pre-marked during the pre-trial. [1:40:51] Your Honor, may I reply first before? [1:40:53] I believe seven on the part of the prosecution and several on the part of the respondent too. [1:40:59] But you may proceed, sir. [1:41:00] Your Honor, that is not my objection. [1:41:02] My objection is the very basis upon which the witness introduced this flash drive was the affidavit. [1:41:11] The affidavit. [1:41:12] And there was no affidavit upon the, there was no attachment upon the affidavit which they introduced. [1:41:21] So the very questions that he has does not, do not have any foundation. [1:41:27] No? [1:41:28] Can I proceed? [1:41:31] Counsel for the prosecution? [1:41:32] Your Honor, please. [1:41:33] The presiding officer makes a ruling? [1:41:34] I just said that this witness said that he saved a copy of that video in a flash drive. [1:41:47] So the logical question now is to ask him if this flash drive is presented to him, is he able to explain and or identify the same? [1:41:57] I don't see any proper basis for the objection to that, Your Honor, please. [1:42:01] The presiding officer will make a ruling. [1:42:02] Objection is overruled. [1:42:03] The prosecution, counsel for the prosecution, is trying to comply with the requirements initiated by the Supreme Court in so far as such pieces of evidence is concerned. [1:42:12] Number one, establishing its origin. [1:42:14] Number two, to trace the chain of custody in so far as the transfer to a storage device is concerned. [1:42:19] And finally, how it reached this court. [1:42:22] So the objection is overruled. [1:42:24] Thank you so much, Your Honor, please. [1:42:27] Now, Mr. Witness, Attorney Pagallion, please confront the witness with a flash drive. [1:42:32] Mr. Witness, I'm now showing a flash drive that is previously marked as Exhibit P-Roman numeral 4-10A containing the subject video that is previously marked as Exhibit P-4-10A. [1:42:56] For the prosecution, question. [1:43:00] What relation, if any, does this flash drive have with the one you mentioned? [1:43:06] May I know if this was appended upon any document? [1:43:25] Council for Respondent is recognized. [1:43:27] Thank you, Your Honor. [1:43:28] Your Honor, may I know if this was appended upon any document? [1:43:31] Your Honor, please. [1:43:33] Counsel for the prosecution will please reply. [1:43:35] Your Honor, please. [1:43:36] The answer is no, I presume. [1:43:38] No. [1:43:40] The basis, if at all, counsel for the Respondent is the testimony of the witness. [1:43:45] When asked, again, to establish not only the origin but also how he transferred it to a storage device and, if at all, how it reached this court. [1:43:57] So, share replies and, if that is an objection, overrules the same. [1:44:02] Witness may answer. [1:44:03] Permission to unseal the flash drive. [1:44:07] You may do so, sir. [1:44:08] Thank you, Your Honor. [1:44:09] Your Honor, the witness manifestation is now in the process of unsealing the object evidence. [1:44:40] Witness will please answer. [1:44:45] This is the flash drive where I see the recording, sir. [1:44:48] Now, Your Honor, please. [1:44:49] At this juncture, we are about to confront the witness with the video contained in the flash drive. [1:44:56] Your Honor. [1:44:57] Kindly let the counsel for the prosecution finish. [1:45:00] Yes, Your Honor. [1:45:01] Thank you, Your Honor. [1:45:02] Thank you so much. [1:45:03] And in the interest of time, Your Honor, please, we move that we allow attorney Magalyon to transport himself to the technical booth to facilitate, Your Honor, please, the playing of the video when the time comes. [1:45:18] Counsel for Respondent. [1:45:19] Your Honor, may we know how long the video is? [1:45:22] We will arrive to that, Your Honor, please. [1:45:24] No, I'm also curious. [1:45:26] How long is this for us to know? [1:45:29] How long is this particular video? [1:45:31] Namely, exhibit P, Roman numeral number 4, 10A. [1:45:35] Your Honor, please. [1:45:36] How many minutes or seconds would this be? [1:45:37] Exactly. [1:45:38] The video is 2 hours and 26 minutes and 10 seconds. [1:45:43] But wait, Your Honor, please. [1:45:45] We will aid the court in this regard. [1:45:47] We will not be showing the entire 2-hour video, Your Honor, please. [1:45:51] We will be presenting the relevant portions of the video, Your Honor, please, sanctioned by the rules and subject to the defense, doing whatever they want with the remainder of the video, Your Honor, please. [1:46:05] So what will you play exactly, Counsel? [1:46:07] How many minutes or seconds? [1:46:09] We counted. [1:46:10] It's 2 minutes and exactly 18 seconds, Your Honor, please. [1:46:14] 2 minutes and 18 seconds of a 2-hour, 26-minute and 10-second video, Your Honor, please. [1:46:20] What does Counsel for respondents say? [1:46:22] We object. [1:46:23] Based on, Your Honor, based on the rules, part of a video documentary must be presented, Your Honor. [1:46:35] Come again. [1:46:37] I'm sorry, Counsel? [1:46:38] Hold on, Your Honor. [1:46:39] I'm sorry, Counsel? [1:46:41] I did not get what he said. [1:46:42] Hold on, Your Honor. [1:46:43] Your Honor, under Rule 132, when part of a transaction writing or record given in evidence, the remainder must be shown. [1:46:52] When part of an act declaration conversation writing or record is given in evidence by one party, the whole of the same subject may be inquired into. [1:47:02] And when a detached act declaration conversation writing or record is given in evidence, any other act declaration conversation or record necessary to its understanding must be given into evidence. [1:47:14] Your Honor, we request that the entire video be played. [1:47:18] Your Honor, can I respond to that, Your Honor, please? [1:47:20] Can I respond to that? [1:47:21] What does the Counsel for the Prosecution say before the Chair makes a ruling? [1:47:24] Your Honor, please. [1:47:25] We don't want to put the defense on the spot, but that is a misreading of the rules. [1:47:30] Your Honor, please. [1:47:33] Counsel cited Rule 132, Section 17. [1:47:37] With all respect to the defense, that doesn't serve your interest. [1:47:41] It serves the interest of the prosecution. [1:47:44] May I explain? [1:47:45] Reason. [1:47:46] If we read Section 17 of Rule 132, it says, [1:47:51] When part of transaction writing or record given in evidence, the remainder is admissible. [1:47:57] When parts of an act's declaration, conversation, writing record, when part is given by one party, and in this case, that is the prosecution, the whole of the same may be inquired into by the other side. [1:48:14] Meaning, it's simple. [1:48:16] This rule, Section 17, Rule 132, allows exactly the prosecution to present a two-minute portion of a two-hour video subject to the defense, the presentation of the remainder of the same. [1:48:29] Be that said, Your Honor, please. [1:48:30] The rules are clear. [1:48:31] Number two, we invoke, Your Honor, please. [1:48:33] The ruling. [1:48:34] That it is for the prosecution to decide what to present, when to present, how to present, and whether to present at all. [1:48:46] Be that said, Your Honor, please. [1:48:47] The defense will not be prejudiced. [1:48:49] Exactly. [1:48:50] Because when the time comes for the defense to present their evidence, they can present the remainder of that two-hour video. [1:48:58] What we are saying, Your Honor, please, for the interest of time, for the prosecution's presentation of evidence, we deem that only a two-minute portion of that two-hour video is relevant at this point in time. [1:49:11] Your Honor, please. [1:49:12] We move for our ruling. [1:49:13] Your Honor, if I may respond. [1:49:15] That's the last response. [1:49:17] Your Honor, the prosecution cannot be allowed to present a small, a truncated part of a whole two-hour 26-minute video. [1:49:27] That will not provide the context necessary for the understanding of what occurred during that night on November 23, and also not allow the proper identification by this witness. [1:49:44] Your Honor, sorry, I will not even reply to that, Your Honor, please. [1:49:47] Chair would like to ask, who did the edit? [1:49:51] From the, how many hours? [1:49:52] Two hours? [1:49:53] No. [1:49:54] Your Honor, please, if I may, can I reply to that? [1:49:56] From the total, who did the edit? [1:49:58] Was the witness the one who did the edit, or was it already the prosecution? [1:50:02] Your Honor, there is no editing done. [1:50:04] There's no editing done. [1:50:05] Who got that certain portion? [1:50:08] No, Your Honor, please. [1:50:09] What we are presenting are portions of the entire two-hour video. [1:50:13] And this witness, I think, will be able to identify the specific timestamps of that preserved, not edited portion. [1:50:25] If I may repeat, Your Honor, please. [1:50:26] We are not presenting any edited portions, but only snippets, portions of that two-hour video. [1:50:33] And this witness, I suppose, will be able to identify which specific portions that he would like the court to view at this point. [1:50:40] When it is shown, the witness will testify and attest to the portion of the entire video that it was found in so far as the timestamp is concerned. [1:50:48] Yes, Your Honor, please. [1:50:49] But as evidence, at the proper time, you will be offering this entire two-hour or so video. [1:50:56] Yes, Your Honor, please. [1:50:57] And simply highlighting the two or so minutes. [1:51:01] Would that be correct? [1:51:02] That's a very key observation. [1:51:04] I agree 100%, Your Honor, please. [1:51:06] Your Honor, the prosecution cannot be allowed to do this because the entire video will show the context on which the utterances were made. [1:51:16] That is a matter for the Council for Respondents to do and present during their time because I believe the Council for Respondents also identified and marked, if I'm not mistaken, the same video for over two and a half hours. [1:51:33] It can do so during its time to present its evidence in chief. [1:51:36] Thank you so much. [1:51:37] The objection is overruled. [1:51:38] Council is instructed to go to the booth accompanied by a council from the respondent in order to make sure that indeed the USB identified by the witness is the same USB that will be played in the tech booth of the Senate. [1:51:55] Okay. [1:51:57] While they're doing that, may I propound the next question, Your Honor, please? [1:52:02] Yes, Council. [1:52:04] You may proceed. [1:52:05] Mr. Wittes, John Mark, listen. [1:52:06] Now, you mentioned kanina that you authenticated the subject video by recording the same through sinasabi mong open broadcaster software OBS. [1:52:20] And then you compared the contents of the recording and the subject video. [1:52:24] That's one. [1:52:25] And you also said that you investigated certain statements made by the Vice President on November 23, 2024. [1:52:33] Yung tanong, no? [1:52:34] What particular statements of the Vice President did the NBI deem proper to investigate? [1:52:42] The statement of the Vice President where she uttered that she already talked to someone to kill the President, the First Lady, and the former Speaker of the House if something's happened to her. [1:52:55] Okay. [1:52:56] Now, the next question now, Mr. Wittes is, in what particular portion of the subject video, did the respondent utter that she already contracted a person to kill? [1:53:22] Objection, Your Honor. [1:53:23] Oh, wait, wait, wait. [1:53:24] Allow the Council to finish his question. [1:53:26] I'm not yet done. [1:53:27] Relax. [1:53:31] To kill the President, the First Lady, and the former Speaker of the House. [1:53:40] Objection, Your Honor. [1:53:41] What? [1:53:42] What is the objection of Council for Respondent? [1:53:45] Your Honor. [1:53:46] No basis for the question, Your Honor. [1:53:49] Wow. [1:53:50] Overall, the witness may answer. [1:53:52] May I refer, sir, to my notes to identify the specific timestamp, sir? [1:53:58] Okay. [1:53:59] The witness may do so if it is available to him. [1:54:04] You may refer to your notes. [1:54:05] While he is doing that, while the witness is doing that, Senator Judge Alan Cayetano is recognized. [1:54:15] You may proceed, sir. [1:54:16] Your Honor, may I question what notes he is referring to? [1:54:19] Council for Respondent, the presiding officer recognized Senator Judge Alan Cayetano. [1:54:24] You may proceed, sir. [1:54:25] Just some thoughts, presiding officer. [1:54:27] This is not yet an appeal from your ruling and maybe a question to the Council of the Defense. [1:54:34] Just to refresh our memory, Rule 132, Section 17. [1:54:38] When part of a transaction, writing, or record given in evidence, the remainder admissible. [1:54:44] When part of our act declaration, conversation, writing, or record is given in evidence by one party, [1:54:50] the whole of the same subject may be inquired into by the other. [1:54:56] And when a detached act, declaration, conversation, writing, or record is given in evidence, [1:55:02] any act, declaration, conversation, writing, or record necessary to its understanding may also be given in evidence. [1:55:09] So I'm not appealing yet. I see the logic of the ruling of the presiding officer. [1:55:15] Ito lang po ang tanong ko. [1:55:17] Is the defense going to ask later on for the showing of the whole video? [1:55:22] Because if they are, why don't we just watch the whole of it? [1:55:28] Because we're going to have to assess the context, if it was really a threat, what did she say before or after. [1:55:37] And I don't really want to go home today believing one thing based on a two-minute clip, [1:55:44] and then come back next week to watch the two-hour clip. [1:55:48] I think most of us saw parts of the clip. [1:55:50] Of course, I don't also feel like watching the two-hour, I don't even watch two-and-a-half-hour movies, [1:55:57] much less this, but I'm just putting this at the feet of the presiding officer and my colleagues, [1:56:03] na kung gagawin din naman natin, eventually, yung two-and-a-half hours, [1:56:07] mas gusto ba natin putulin muna ngayon, at may iniisip tayo, and then later on the two hours. [1:56:13] Or can the two parties agree, of the two-and-a-half hours, which one yung my context? [1:56:19] So I'm not criticizing the prosecution's motion. I see what you mean. [1:56:25] May I ask that one question to the defense, if they're going to ask the presiding officer? [1:56:31] For the presiding officer, we cannot dictate nor predict what either counsel for the prosecution or respondent [1:56:39] will do during the presentation of their evidence-in-chief. [1:56:42] Even if they say yes to us now, absolutely, they have every right to change their mind. [1:56:48] I agree, Your Honor, but if they do answer now that they want it shown, may we consider... [1:56:55] I mean, if I'm the only one who wants to see it as a whole, then I will submit to everyone else. [1:57:00] But if everyone else is saying we will eventually watch the whole of it, [1:57:04] we might as well get it over and see the context of the whole video, [1:57:10] unless the two parties can agree that they only want to look at 30 minutes or one hour. [1:57:16] I don't know what context they're talking about. I'm just trying to expedite the presiding officer. [1:57:21] Both parties, Senator Judge Allan Cayetano, marked the same video. [1:57:25] Yes. May I ask the... [1:57:27] Which is over two hours. [1:57:28] May I just ask the defense, do they plan to ask us to watch the whole... [1:57:33] Council for Defense will please reply to the question of Senator Judge Cayetano. [1:57:38] First, Your Honor, precisely why we're asking to watch the video is because we don't know what the contents of that video is. [1:57:47] We don't know if it's any different or the same with our video. [1:57:50] And to answer the question of the Honorable Senator, yes, we will be asking the entire two-hour 26-minute video to be presented and watched later on during our cross. [1:58:03] So on that point, Mr. President and presiding officer, [1:58:07] hindi naman nakalagay sa Section 17 when... [1:58:10] And usually, at least for myself, if I have to watch 30 minutes and then may emphasize na 30 seconds, 2 minutes, 1 minute, [1:58:19] pinapanood muna yung buo and then saka papanoodin yung maikle na ine-emphasize para walang pre-judgment. [1:58:26] Kasi pag nauna yung portions na maliliit and then saka mo lang sasabihin later on, ah, eto pala context neto. [1:58:34] Medyo umiiba. [1:58:36] But again, I'm only one of the 24, so I leave it to my colleagues. [1:58:41] If we're going to have to watch it anyway, may I ask the presiding officer what the pleasure is. [1:58:46] But since the rule doesn't say, personally, I'd rather watch the whole thing and get it over with [1:58:52] than allow the prosecution to pick out the portions that quickly say, that goes into the center of the controversy or what they want to prove. [1:59:03] Without disagreeing with Senator Judge Cayetano, for the presiding officer, [1:59:09] it's just that I don't think the court should impose or dictate upon either party how they will present their evidence in chief. [1:59:19] Although it would save the court some time if they, but we can also waste a lot of time arguing about this instead of watching the two-minute video. [1:59:29] Mr. Presiding officer, I'm not saying we dictate because there was an object and you ruled. [1:59:34] You can change your ruling or we can appeal. [1:59:37] But I'm saying I'm just one. [1:59:39] So if everyone agrees na portion muna, I will submit to that. [1:59:42] But if everyone else thinks na panorin na yung buo, then baka we can, I can appeal your ruling without voting. [1:59:49] So I'm just bringing up this issue for expediency, but I leave it up to what everyone else thinks about it. [1:59:55] Your Honor, if I may, we also move for the reconsideration of the earlier ruling of the Honorable Court. [2:00:01] The council cannot move for reconsideration of the ruling of the chair. Only a senator judge can do so. [2:00:07] Your Honor, may we manifest that we intend to present the whole during cross-examination, Your Honor. [2:00:13] The presiding officer declares a brief recess. [2:00:16] Thank you so much, Your Honor. [2:00:19] Can I go? [2:00:23] Okay, yan po ang day two ng impeachment proceedings laban kay Vice President Sara Duterte. [2:00:30] Sa ngayon po ay naka-recess ang impeachment court dahil sa merong hindi mapagkasundoan. [2:00:37] Ito yung issue tungkol doon sa ipipresenta na bahagi ng video presentation [2:00:44] noong November 23 briefing, online briefing ni Vice President Sara Duterte [2:00:50] dahil dito nga po nakasalig yung Article 4 ng impeachment complaint laban kay Vice President Sara Duterte [2:00:58] na ayon sa prosecution kinapapalooban ito ng culpable violation of the Constitution, [2:01:05] yung high crimes at yung betrayal of public trust dahil nga po doon sa sinasabing banta sa buhay ni Pangulong Bongbong Marcos, [2:01:17] ni First Lady Lisa Marcos, at gayon din ni dating House Speaker Martin Romualdez [2:01:23] nang sabihin umano ni Vice President Sara Duterte na meron siyang kinausap [2:01:29] para kitilin ang buhay ng tatlo sakali mang may masamang mangyari sa kanya. [2:01:36] So ito po ang point of discussion dito sa isinasagawang impeachment trial [2:01:43] sa harap po yan ng pagharap ng unang testigo ang NBI agent na si Mark John Mark Kalilong. [2:01:53] Siya po ang tauhan ng NBI forensic expert na nakipag-ugnayan doon sa meta at nagsagawa ng preservation dito sa video na ito. [2:02:05] Isa din doon sa napag-usapan kanina ay ang hiling ng House Prosecution Panel sa Impeachment Court [2:02:14] para isabina o mag-issue ng sabina na paharapin si Atty. Zulueca Lopez, [2:02:21] ang Chief of Staff ni Vice President Sara Duterte bilang testigo dito sa impeachment trial. [2:02:29] Dito sa pag-testigo ni Kalilong, sinabi niya nga na ang isa doon sa piece of evidence na kanilang tinignan [2:02:39] ay yung video nito nga pong November 23 online briefing ni Vice President Sara Duterte [2:02:49] at ito ay nakapost o na posted doon sa page ni Harry Roque. [2:02:56] Pero ang NBI po sa pamamagitan ng cybercrime division nito nakipag-ugnayan sa meta na siyang mother company ng Facebook [2:03:06] para sa kanila po humingi ng authenticated copy nitong nasabing news briefing. [2:03:13] So sa ngayon po ay kanina din doon sa presentasyon pa lamang ng Article 4 ni Congressman Lawrence Defensor [2:03:26] ay meron ng mga objections ang defense panel sa pangunguna po yan ni Atty. Carlo Narvaza [2:03:36] at meron silang mga hindi nagustuhan. Una ay kinasyon nila at tinutulan ang pag-upo ni Agent Kalilong bilang testigo [2:03:48] na ito naman po ay hindi pinahintulutan o din-enay ng presiding officer na si Sen. Cheese Escudero. [2:03:57] So sa ngayon ay nag-uusap-usap ang mga Sen. Judges dahil sa ang gusto po sana ng prosecution [2:04:11] ay yung bahagi lamang ng portion itong November 23 online briefing ni Vice President Sara Duterte [2:04:19] ang ma-i-play o ma-i-presenta sa impeachment court. At ito nga, kinapapalooban lamang ng mahigit sa dalawang minutong video [2:04:28] pero ang nais ng prosecution o ng depensa ay i-play ang buong dalawang oras na online news briefing [2:04:40] ng Vice President Sara Duterte para daw maintindihan ang konteksto sa kung bakit nabanggit yung bahaging iyon [2:04:49] ng naging pahayag ng vicepresidente. So si Sen. Judge Alan Cayetano ay tumayo at sabi niya nga, [2:05:02] kung papahintulutan naman, gusto din nilang makita ang bahagi o 30 o 1 hour portion ng naturang video [2:05:11] pero yun ay ano, sabi ni presiding judge Escudero, ang prosecution ang may karapatan para magpasya kung ano ang ipipresenta nila [2:05:30] pero ang sabi naman po ng depensa sa sandali ng cross-examination ay hihilingin nila na ma-i-play ang buong dalawang oras [2:05:40] nitong online briefing na ito. Sa ngayon, nasa isang testigo pa lamang po ang humaharap at parang wala pa sa kalahati [2:05:51] ng testimonya ang nailalahad dahil sa doon pa lamang po sa presentasyon ng mga ebidensya na kinalap ng NBI [2:06:05] patungkol dito sa isyo ng banta sa buhay ng Presidente, ng Unang Ginang at ng dating speaker ang pinag-uusapan. [2:06:15] So ang tabayanan po natin ang pagpapatuloy ng day 2 nitong impeachment court [2:06:22] pero nakita natin sa ating video monitor na tumayo at umalis doon sa kanyang pwesto si presiding judge Escudero [2:06:32] gayon din si Senate President Sherwin Gatchalian. [2:06:37] So nakasama pa rin po ni presiding officer Escudero sa taas ng podium itong si Senate President Sherwin Gatchalian. [2:06:56] Tingnan natin kung baka meron tayong makuhang update mula sa ating mga kasama. [2:07:00] Nasa linya po natin si Eden Santos na tumututok sa bahagi ng defense panel. [2:07:06] And then? And then? Medyo ano? [2:07:15] Okay. Sige, malinaw. [2:07:17] Ayan na. [2:07:29] Dahil na doon siya nung mahigit, dalawang video ng press briefing ni Vice Presidente, [2:07:40] noong November 20, dito nabanggit buhay ni Pangulong Senyor, [2:07:53] ni First May Emigration. [2:08:46] Yes. And then, nalang namin dahil sa nagpapatuloy na yung impeachment trial. [2:08:58] Okay. Salamat kay Eden Santos. [2:09:04] Balik po tayo doon sa plenary kung saan isinasagawa ang day 2 ng impeachment trial. [2:09:10] Correct niya kasi hindi ako takey talaga dyan. [2:09:13] So sabi mo, pag in-authenticate mo, you get the video tapos may hash. [2:09:18] Yes, Your Honor. [2:09:19] So you get the hash tapos you download the video. Tama po ba? [2:09:22] No, Your Honor. The video was screen recorded, Your Honor. [2:09:26] Okay. So screen recorded. Then yung hash na nakuha mo. [2:09:30] Yung hash value po is kinalculate from the recorded po. [2:09:33] Okay. Then you have to compare that with the original one, right? [2:09:37] Yes, Your Honor. [2:09:37] So the original one, yung hash nyan, nasa Facebook. Tama ba? [2:09:42] Yung hash po, hindi po kinalculate yung hash from the Facebook. [2:09:46] Kasi ang purpose po ng hash value is to calculate yung value ng mismo video na nirecord ko. [2:09:53] Dahil hindi po siya yung for authentication purpose, [2:09:56] but for the integrity of the video that I screen recorded na. [2:10:00] If matampered siya during the time na sinamit siya until presented in court, [2:10:04] makikita po na iba po yung hash value. [2:10:06] So is there a possibility na iba yung hash ng Facebook for the same video sa hash nung sayo? [2:10:13] Magkaiba po talaga, Your Honor. [2:10:14] Magkaiba. But how do you know it's, when you authenticated, how do you know it's the same video? [2:10:19] Ay manually compared, Your Honor. [2:10:22] Manually compared? [2:10:23] Yes, Your Honor. [2:10:24] So, but we don't know that unless we also manually compare. [2:10:28] Yes, Your Honor. [2:10:29] Yeah. Thank you. I just want to clarify that and think about it more. [2:10:33] Noted and entered into the records. [2:10:35] What is the pleasure of Senator Judge Villaneva? [2:10:40] Mr. Presiding Officer, in relation to what Senator Judge Alan Cayetano mentioned, [2:10:47] may I just be allowed to ask a clarificatory question in relation to that particular matter? [2:10:54] Senator Judge Villaneva may do so. [2:10:55] Yes. [2:10:56] Thank you. [2:10:56] Mr. Witness, I was listening attentively earlier and you made mention that the live stream video [2:11:03] was recorded using open broadcaster software or OBS. [2:11:10] Just for the benefit of the court, could you briefly explain what OBS is and how it was used [2:11:16] in the course of your investigation? [2:11:19] It's an open source na software na pwede pong i-access na kahit sino. [2:11:25] So, it's generally available to the public? [2:11:27] And ang purpose po niya is may two functions siya is live stream and screen recording po. [2:11:34] And stream recording? [2:11:35] Screen recording, Your Honor. [2:11:36] Could you explain the capabilities nitong OBS as well as any considerations that investigators take into account [2:11:46] pag ginagamit po itong recordings generated through this particular software as part of your investigation? [2:11:56] Yung OBS po capable po siya i-screen record kung ano po yung nakikita sa screen. [2:12:00] After po nun, makakapag-generate po siya ng output. [2:12:03] Yung output po na yun, yung minamanuali compared ko with the live stream video, Your Honor. [2:12:09] To authenticate? [2:12:09] Yes po. [2:12:10] Thank you. [2:12:11] Thank you, Sir Presiding Officer. [2:12:13] Thank you, Sir Wilkins. [2:12:14] Thank you, Your Honor. [2:12:18] Noted and entered into the records, what is the pleasure of Senator Judge Rafi Tulfo? [2:12:27] Thank you. [2:12:28] Thank you. [2:12:28] Mr. Presiding Judge, just a statement. [2:12:44] The gentleman may proceed. [2:12:46] In Rule 132, Section 17, it is not mandated that the whole record be shown to the court. [2:12:54] The video being shown in open court and it being in evidence is completely different. [2:13:01] That's all, Mr. Presiding Officer. [2:13:03] Noted and entered into the records, what is the pleasure of Senator Judge Pangalinan? [2:13:11] Yes, Mr. President, just a one or two quick questions to the... [2:13:15] The gentleman may proceed. [2:13:17] Yes. [2:13:17] So please answer the questions of Senator Judge Pangalinan. [2:13:19] He has two minutes. [2:13:20] Yes, Mr. Kalilong, ikaw, eh, nabanggit mo kanina na nag-training ka, no? [2:13:25] Yes, Your Honor. [2:13:26] Hindi lang dalawang linggong training lamang ang nakuha mo. [2:13:30] Tama ba yun? [2:13:31] Dalawang linggo on the start, pero during the, ano po, during the, ano na ako, tine-train po ako ng chief ko. [2:13:39] During the process... [2:13:40] So continuing training? [2:13:41] Yes po, kasi nagpe-present po ako sa... [2:13:43] At saan yung training? [2:13:45] Sinabi mong dalawang linggo, nabanggit mo ba? [2:13:48] Sa office namin siya ginawa, pero ang nag-handled is MaxCore po. [2:13:52] Ano yung MaxCore? [2:13:53] MaxCore Interventures. [2:13:55] Ano nga yun? [2:13:55] Ah, provider po namin ng forensic softwares. [2:13:59] At kompanya siya? [2:14:00] Yes po. [2:14:00] Nang, ah, computer... [2:14:04] Nang mga pang-forensic po. [2:14:05] Pang-forensic. [2:14:06] Okay. [2:14:07] Yes, Your Honor. [2:14:07] Thank you. [2:14:08] Council for prosecutor will please proceed. [2:14:11] Your Honor, ah, may I be allowed to speak in Cebuano a bit? [2:14:15] Mahi mo ba kita magpadayon? [2:14:17] In Tagalog it means in English. [2:14:19] Can we proceed? [2:14:20] Council may proceed. [2:14:21] Thank you so much, Mr. Vites. [2:14:23] Now, in what particular portion of the subject video did the respondent utter that she already contracted a person to kill the President, the First Lady, and the former Speaker of the House of Representatives? [2:15:11] Are you done? [2:15:13] Objection? [2:15:14] Objection, Your Honor. [2:15:15] Wow. [2:15:16] Kindly state the objection, Council for Respondent. [2:15:18] Your Honor, the question is misleading. [2:15:20] There was no mention anywhere before that, that the video mentioned the killing of the President. [2:15:31] To kill? [2:15:32] Yeah, there's no mention in any testimony earlier. [2:15:35] There's no mention in that video. [2:15:37] Your Honor, again, with all respect, the records will bear me out. [2:15:41] Your Honor's basis have been more than complied with. [2:15:46] This witness mentioned many times over that the subject of investigation is the statement of the Vice President that she already contracted a person to kill the President, the First Lady, and the former Speaker. [2:15:59] There's no basis for the objection, Your Honor, please. [2:16:01] Your Honor, may I ask for a readback? [2:16:04] He was the only party who said that, Your Honor. [2:16:07] Kindly use the third party in referring to co-posing counsel. [2:16:10] Yes, Your Honor. [2:16:11] If I may, Your Honor. [2:16:11] May I ask, Your Honor, for a... [2:16:12] Let the Council for Defense finish his statement. [2:16:15] May I ask, Your Honor, for a reading of the transcript as the witness, to my recollection, never mentioned that the Vice President did those things. [2:16:23] All right. [2:16:23] If I may, Your Honor, counsel... [2:16:24] Counsel, kindly lay the basis. [2:16:27] Yes, Your Honor, please. [2:16:27] Now, Mr. Witness, you said that your office, the NBI, conducted an investigation for a statement made by the Vice President noong Nobyembre 23, taong 2024. [2:16:42] Naalala mo yun? [2:16:43] Objection, Your Honor. [2:16:45] Oh. [2:16:45] Your Honor, please, sir... [2:16:46] What is the basis of the objection? [2:16:48] Your Honor, it's leading. [2:16:49] Your Honor, please, if I may, Your Honor, please... [2:16:51] You remember? [2:16:52] Leading, Your Honor. [2:16:53] If I may, Your Honor, please, I'm just giving in to what the defense wants. [2:16:57] The record will bear me out. [2:16:59] This witness mentioned so many times over that he investigated the statement of the Vice President uttering that she already contracted a person. [2:17:09] The whole nation is listening. [2:17:11] Your Honor, so many words leading. [2:17:13] The chair will make a ruling. [2:17:14] The objection is overruled. [2:17:16] Earlier, the chair noted, I have it in my notes, [2:17:20] that the question was propounded by counsel with respect to the 11-23-24 incident that was the subject matter of a digital forensic examination by the witness pertaining to the former Vice President. [2:17:36] That was the instance, if the counsel will recall. [2:17:38] That counsel for the prosecutors asked the witness if he knew who the Vice President was. [2:17:45] So, the objection is overruled. [2:17:47] Witness may answer. [2:17:48] Your Honor, may I state for the record, [2:17:51] my objection is on the part of the question where he said that the Vice President hired someone to kill the President, [2:18:02] the First Lady, and the Speaker of the House. [2:18:05] Not on the identification of the Vice President. [2:18:09] Noted. [2:18:09] Court already made a ruling. [2:18:11] Witness will answer. [2:18:12] Mr. Witness, [2:18:13] Yes, naalala mo ba yung tanong? [2:18:17] Can you repeat the question, sir? [2:18:18] Okay, now. [2:18:19] Kindly repeat the question, counsel. [2:18:21] In what particular portion of the subject video, in that online media conference of the Vice President, [2:18:34] did she utter that she already contracted a person to kill the President, the First Lady, the former Speaker? [2:18:46] In what portion? [2:18:47] Objection, Your Honor. [2:18:49] What is the objection? [2:18:49] Your Honor, this Honorable Court already ruled on this question. [2:18:54] The discussion later on was on the leading question made by the prosecutor. [2:18:59] If you recall, Your Honor, this Honorable Court said, [2:19:03] Prosecutor, please lay the foundation, the basis for your question. [2:19:07] Your Honor, please, if I may. [2:19:08] The Presidential Officer will ask the witness. [2:19:11] Mr. Witness, out of the two or more so hours of video that you downloaded, do you know if at all the timestamp that pertains to any statements made by the Vice President pertaining to any of the allegations in the articles of impeachment, particularly article 4, the subject matter of this case, in relation to alleged threats made by her in that video? [2:19:39] Yes, Your Honor, but may I refer to my investigator's note, Your Honor? [2:19:43] You may do so. [2:19:45] Senator Cayetano, sir. [2:19:47] The President Officer. [2:19:48] Alan Cayetano. [2:19:49] May I know from the records, is this the first time that the witness mentioned that the Vice President uttered threats against the President, the former Speaker, the First Lady? [2:20:03] Your Honor, if I may, there was no mention at all, sir, apologies. [2:20:07] No, because if it's the first time, precisely the rule says that you cannot allow leading questions, whether it's from the judges, whether it's from the presiding officer, or from the defense. [2:20:20] So, meaning, you lay the basis. [2:20:22] Simply, you ask him, ano yung laman ng video? [2:20:26] Pag binanggit na niya, na may ganito sa laman ng video, then you can ask him na directly what parts. [2:20:33] So, all of us want to expedite it, but let's follow the rules. [2:20:36] So, that's why I'm asking, has this witness, this afternoon, I don't, I missed a portion because I have a headache and I had to eat before I drink medicine, but I was watching sa TV, but hindi ko pa narinig na sinabi niya to. [2:20:51] Kasi kung hindi pa niya sinabi, Mr. Presiding Officer, can we just follow the rules and just lay the basis, ask him kung ano laman ng video, let him testify, tapos pag binanggit niya, then you can ask him, hindi na siya leading. [2:21:02] But we shouldn't really ask leading questions because we'll violate the rules. [2:21:07] So, excuse me, but I'll just be very particular when it comes to the rules, and it's not against any group. [2:21:13] Senator Judge Caetano, it will take some time before we can, quote unquote, appeal to the records. [2:21:20] I'm trying to have them get it. [2:21:22] But in lieu of that, that's why the Chair tried to intervene. [2:21:25] Can counsel kindly lay the basis for the witness to be able to identify the timestamp portions of the two-hour video? [2:21:36] Counsel for the prosecutors may proceed. [2:21:38] This will be quick. [2:21:39] Mr. Witness, you said that your office conducted an investigation on the statement made by the Vice President dated November 23, 2024, correct? [2:21:51] Objection, Your Honor. [2:21:52] Leading. [2:21:52] Your Honor, he's not on direct, he's... [2:21:56] Overruled. [2:21:56] Witness may answer. [2:21:58] Sorry. [2:21:59] Yes, sir. [2:21:59] Now, tanong, ano ba, ano ba exactly yung sinabi ng Vice President nung araw na yan, November 23, 2024? [2:22:16] Objection, Your Honor. [2:22:17] Well, I'm not yet done. [2:22:19] Well, Your Honor, the pauses of the prosecution are very confusing. [2:22:23] Can I just let the counsel for the prosecutors finish his question before you object? [2:22:27] May I ask, instead of this, Your Honor, may I ask that the Honorable Court direct the witness to allow me to object before answering? [2:22:38] Because precisely the questioning of the prosecutor is there are many pauses, which it's confusing if he's done or not. [2:22:49] Counsel, witness even on occasion forgot what the question was because he did not respond to the question of the prosecutor. [2:22:56] Yes, Your Honor, so I just... [2:22:57] Court will make sure of that. [2:22:59] Thank you, Your Honor. [2:22:59] So kindly finish your question if you want to state it again, counsel for the prosecutors. [2:23:03] Maybe it's the tone. [2:23:04] I'll be quick. [2:23:06] What particular statements of the Vice President on that day did you investigate? [2:23:11] Objection, Your Honor. [2:23:13] Vague. [2:23:14] Your Honor, please. [2:23:17] Counsel for Respondent, a bit of patience. [2:23:21] Let the counsel finish. [2:23:22] I don't think it's finished. [2:23:24] The question is done. [2:23:25] What particular statement on that day did you investigate? [2:23:29] How is that leading? [2:23:30] Objection, Your Honor. [2:23:31] Vague. [2:23:32] Not leading. [2:23:33] Your Honor, please. [2:23:33] I didn't say leading. [2:23:34] Counsel, what's the basis of the objection? [2:23:39] Vague. [2:23:40] All right. [2:23:41] I will indulge, Your Honor. [2:23:42] It's a 2R36-26 minute video, Your Honor. [2:23:45] I will indulge. [2:23:46] I will add these two phrases. [2:23:48] It will never be that. [2:23:50] Now, Mr. Witness, what statement did the Vice President add on that day, if any? [2:23:59] Your Honor, same objection. [2:24:01] There's a 2R26 minute. [2:24:04] Let the witness answer. [2:24:06] Counsel, this 2R and so minute video was done on the same day. [2:24:11] Yes. [2:24:11] Correct, Your Honor. [2:24:12] But the question must be given with particularity. [2:24:15] If the witness knows, witness may answer. [2:24:18] Answer. [2:24:19] Answer. [2:24:20] Witness will please answer. [2:24:21] Can I refer for my notes to identify the exact statement because I might said a statement that's not part of the actual statement? [2:24:31] Signing officer will allow the witness to refer to his notes to refresh his memory. [2:24:34] Go ahead, Mr. Witness. [2:24:35] The specific statement, quote-unquote, yes, wag kang mag-alala, ma'am, sa security ko kasi may kinausap na ako na tao. [2:24:57] Sinabi ko sa kanya, kapag pinatay ako, patayin mo si BBM, si Lisa Araneta at si Martin Romualdes. [2:25:04] No joke, no joke. [2:25:06] Nagbilin na ako, ma'am. [2:25:08] Pag namatay ako, sabi ko, wag kang tumigil hanggat di mo sila mapatay. [2:25:13] Hanggat di mo sila mapatay sila. [2:25:15] And then he said yes. [2:25:16] Please proceed, counsel. [2:25:21] Thank you. [2:25:22] Now, in what particular portion of that video recording that you authenticated of that online media briefing on November 23, 2024, did the Vice President utter those words? [2:25:44] If I may, sir, I think we should include the question first. [2:25:51] It starts at 1 hour and 15 minutes to 1 hour 17 minutes and 18 seconds, sir. [2:25:58] Your Honor, so the witness manifested as an answer to the question in what portion he said. [2:26:06] Time stamps, 1 hour, 15 minutes, 0 seconds to 1 hour, 17 minutes, 18 seconds. [2:26:14] And we computed, Your Honor, please, it's a 2 minute, 18 second portion of that video. [2:26:20] At this juncture, Your Honor, please, bases have been laid. [2:26:24] The nation can finally see it. [2:26:27] The court will do. [2:26:29] We move. [2:26:30] That that's 2 minute and 18 second portion of that video be presented at this juncture, Your Honor, please. [2:26:37] The secretariat is instructed to play the USB given to the tech behind that was observed and witnessed by both councils for the parties. [2:26:52] So, kindly play the video. [2:26:55] Vice President, thank you so much na po para sa dala niyong hopia nung e-ring. [2:27:00] Ana, pumunta kayo for PRRD. [2:27:03] Kami yung nasa likod niyo po yung pinawag ilang bastos kasi pumalak. [2:27:06] So, kindly posit, kindly posit, ganyan ba talaga? [2:27:13] Your Honor, please, can I? [2:27:14] Your Honor, please, the witness said that he would like to include the question propounded to the Vice President. [2:27:21] So, ganyan nga, hindi nalalakihan yan, ganyan talaga? [2:27:25] Or it will get bigger? [2:27:26] It will get bigger, Your Honor, please. [2:27:27] Okay, please proceed. [2:27:29] Thank you, ma'am. Nakakain kami. Ako po'y natatakot kumain ng pagkain dun pa mamaya. [2:27:35] Ma'am, mag-iingat po kayo na sa teretoryo kayo ng kalaban. [2:27:39] Okay lang po niyo, ma'am. Kasi sila na matap na e. Sila talaga yung bastos e. [2:27:44] You reap what you sow. [2:27:47] Yeah. Mag-iingat po kayo kasi sa dinami-rami po ng inyong mga pasabog ngayong labi, [2:27:53] It seems like marami po talaga kayong alam about them, no? [2:27:57] Dahil sa pagkakasamay niya sa kanila during the campaign and during the 2022 elections. [2:28:03] Baka po mamaya kasi totoo yung mga narinig namin or yung, I don't know if it's true, [2:28:08] na meron daw silang Operation Romanovs and baka bala kayong ubusin ang iyong pamilya [2:28:14] dahil hadlang kayo sa kanilang mga balaki in the future. [2:28:18] So, mag-iingat po kayo. [2:28:19] Kami po kasi na, kami ng EDSA Friday crew, kami yung bumababa every Friday dyan sa EDSA [2:28:25] because we believe yan yung tamang venue sa dinami-rami na ng problema natin. [2:28:31] Ang kaya lang naman po namin gawin ay manawagan na bumaba na yan. [2:28:37] Eh ano po kaya ang remedy naman, yun yung mga nasa posisyon [2:28:40] o ng mga kayang labanan itong napakarami na pong ginagawang corruption at krimen laban sa taong bayan. [2:28:49] Ano po ang pwede nyo maging remedy para matapos na ito? [2:28:52] Lalo't nagsisigaw na po ang taong bayan na mag-people power na. [2:28:56] Yes. [2:28:58] Huwag kang mag-alala ma'am sa security ko [2:29:02] kasi may kinuusap na ako na tao. [2:29:06] Sinabi ko sa kanya, kapag pinatay ako, patayin mo si BBM, [2:29:10] si Lisa Caraneta at si Martin Romales. [2:29:13] No joke. [2:29:16] No joke. [2:29:17] Nag-dealing na ako ma'am. [2:29:18] Pag namatay ako, sabi ko, huwag ka pumigila. [2:29:24] Hanggang hindi mo magpatay sila. [2:29:27] And then he said yes. [2:29:36] That's the end of that 2 minute and 18 second portion of the video, Yon, please. [2:29:45] Pwede ba kita magpadayon? [2:29:47] Can we continue? [2:29:48] Council may continue. May proceed. [2:29:50] Now, Mr. Witness, what relation, if any, does that video that you viewed [2:30:00] with the video you mentioned earlier, the Vice President uttering that statement? [2:30:07] It is the portion of the video that I authenticated, sir. [2:30:12] Okay. [2:30:12] Let's continue. [2:30:15] What happened next, Mr. Witness, kung meron man, [2:30:19] after mong ma-authenticate yung subject video na yan? [2:30:22] Our team conducted an open source investigation to identify previous statement of the Vice President [2:30:32] that had similarities to the November 23, 2024 video, sir. [2:30:37] Okay. [2:30:38] Now, sinabi mo that your team conducted yung tinatawag mong open source investigation [2:30:43] for any prior statements made by the Vice President against President Marcos Jr. [2:30:49] and his family members. [2:30:50] Yung tanong nga, ba't kailangan pa maghandak ng open source investigation [2:30:56] for any prior statements na ginawa kung meron man [2:31:00] ng Vice President against President Marcos Jr. at saka yung pamilya niya? [2:31:07] As part of our standard procedure, sir, [2:31:10] kailangan namin makita yung full context kung bakit ito nagsimula. [2:31:14] Kaya nagtingin kami ng mga prior statement, [2:31:16] meet the Vice President against the President and the family. [2:31:20] Alright. Now, ano ba yung naging resulta kung meron man [2:31:23] sa naging open source investigation nyo, Mr. Witness? [2:31:27] We identified a video, October 18, 2024, [2:31:33] an online press conference held by the Office of the Vice President, sir. [2:31:37] Now, ano ba yung nakita nyo kung meron man [2:31:40] sa naging press conference ng Vice President on October 18, 2024? [2:31:44] There were similar statements authored by the Vice President against the President, sir. [2:31:52] So, sinasabi mo na on that October 18, 2024 press conference, [2:31:57] may mga nasabi din na mga statements. [2:32:00] Yung Vice Presidente laban sa President, yung mga sinasabi mo, di ba? [2:32:06] Yes, sir. [2:32:06] Now, yung tanong is, ano ba yung maging naging mga parehong statements [2:32:12] ng Vice President sa araw na yan, October 18, 2024? [2:32:17] To said the exact statement, may I refer to my investigator's notes, sir? [2:32:23] Move, Your Honor, that this witness be allowed to peruse his notes [2:32:26] to answer the question as to ano ba yung naging exact statement [2:32:30] ng Vice President on October 18, 2024, Your Honor, please. [2:32:34] Witness may confer with his notes. [2:32:36] Quote, end quote. Gusto ko tanggalin yung ulo niya ba? [2:32:59] I just imagine myself cutting his head. [2:33:04] Wait, wait. So, sinabi ng Vice President, [2:33:06] gusto kong tanggalin yung ulo niya, I imagine myself cutting his head. [2:33:09] Now, ano ba yung naging statement kung meron pa? [2:33:13] So, doon, na-realize ko, toxic na, di ba? [2:33:17] Ganyan na yung imagination mo. Sinasakal mo na yung tao. [2:33:21] And then, I said this is over. [2:33:24] Alright. Kung meron pa, ano pa yung naging statement ng Vice President sa araw na yan? [2:33:31] Hindi marunong maging presidente ang nakaupo. Kasalanan ko ba yun? [2:33:36] Kung meron pa, ano pa yung naging statement ng Vice President sa araw na yan? [2:33:41] Hindi ko alam. Pero isang beses, sinabihan ko talaga si Senator Aimee. [2:33:48] Sabi ko sa kanya, kung hindi kayo tumigil, [2:33:51] kuhukayin ko yung tatay niyo, itatapon ko siya sa West Philippine Sea. [2:34:02] Your Honor, please. [2:34:05] There is a manifestation of the good Senator Tito Soto. [2:34:09] He did that here, the last statement. [2:34:13] No, no such manifestation was heard by the President of the President. [2:34:16] Counsel na i-continue. Please proceed. [2:34:18] Thank you so much. [2:34:25] Kindly stated for the record, Senator Judge Soto. Apologies from the President. [2:34:28] Thank you. I did not get the exact words that were uttered during the last statement. [2:34:35] Will the witness kindly repeat his answer to the last question propounded by counsel for the prosecutors? [2:34:42] Yes, Your Honor. [2:34:44] Hindi ko alam. Pero isang beses, sinabihan ko talaga si Senator Aimee. [2:34:51] Sabi ko sa kanya, kung hindi kayo tumigil, [2:34:55] kuhukayin ko yung tatay niyo, itatapon ko siya sa West Philippine Sea. [2:35:02] Kuhukayin. Kuhukayin. [2:35:04] May proceed, Your Honor, please. [2:35:06] Counsel may proceed. [2:35:07] Ano pa yung naging mga statements kung meron pa ng Vice President sa araw na yan? [2:35:13] Last statement, kung Presidente niyo siya, okay lang. Ako hanggang Vice President lang ako. Hanggang number two lang itong bansa na ito. Wala itong number one para sa akin. [2:35:29] Are these all the statements, Mr. Witness? [2:35:32] Yes, sir. [2:35:32] Now, proceed. Now, ano ba yung nangyari kung meron man pagkatapos madiskubre ng NBI yung mga naging statements ng Vice President nung araw na yan, October 18, 2024? [2:35:48] Like what we did to the main video, the November 23, I proceed to preserve and authenticate the October 18, 2024 video, sir. [2:35:58] Again, for ano ba yung ibig sabihin when you preserve the video? [2:36:02] It means that I make the necessary action to ensure that the evidence will be accessible at any time, sir. [2:36:09] Alright, now, ano ba yung ibig sabihin? After mo ma-authenticate yung video, ano bang ginawa mo kung meron pa? [2:36:21] I save the video on my laptop and on a flash drive, sir. [2:36:27] Now, sinabi mo yung flash drive kung saan sinave mo yung mga video recording mo sa mga naging statements ng Vice President sa araw na iyan. [2:36:37] Now, kung yung flash drive na iyan ipapakita sa iyo, ma-identify mo ba yan? [2:36:43] Yes, sir. [2:36:43] You want to please, we are now in the process of confronting this witness with a flash drive that is previously marked as Exhibit P-14-11, small letter A, for the prosecution, [2:36:58] containing the recording of the October 18, 2024 press conference of the Vice President identified by the witness that is previously marked as Exhibit P-4-11 for the prosecution. [2:37:12] Permission to unseal the flash drive. [2:37:18] You may do so. [2:37:19] Thank you, Your Honor. [2:37:38] Manifestation, Your Honor, that the witness is in the process of checking the flash drive. [2:37:45] Question, Mr. Witness, what relation, if any, does that flash drive have with the flash drive you mentioned? [2:38:09] This is the flash drive where I save the recording, sir. [2:38:11] Alright, now, Mr. Witness, you mentioned earlier that you authenticated the subject video by recording the same through open broadcaster software, [2:38:27] and then you compared the contents of the recording of the subject video, and you also said that you found out that the respondent said, [2:38:36] itong sinabi niya, gusto ko tanggalin yung ulo niya, at saka, I imagine myself, [2:38:43] Now, Mr. Witness, in what particular portion of that subject video did the Vice President utter, [2:38:59] gusto kong tanggalin yung ulo niya, at saka, I imagine myself, cutting his head? [2:39:06] Permission to refer back to my investigator's note, sir. [2:39:09] Witness may do so. [2:39:11] Your Honor, may I approach the witness. [2:39:14] Your Honor, may I approach the witness. [2:39:17] Counsel may do so. [2:39:18] Thank you, Ron. [2:39:20] For the first statement, time stamp, [2:39:25] 1 hour, 35 minutes, 57 seconds, [2:39:31] to 1 hour, 36 minutes, 10 seconds. [2:39:36] And on the part na, [2:39:37] I just imagined myself, [2:39:39] 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 52 seconds, [2:39:43] to 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 58 seconds, sir. [2:39:47] Okay, now, [2:39:48] what about the statement that sinabi niya, [2:39:51] so noon na realize ko, toxic na, di ba? [2:39:54] Ganyan na yung imagination mo. [2:39:57] Sinasakal mo na yung tao. [2:39:59] And then I said, [2:40:00] this is over. [2:40:03] In what particular portion of the video [2:40:05] did the Vice President [2:40:08] utter that statement? [2:40:10] From the authenticated video, [2:40:13] time stamp, [2:40:13] 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 32 seconds, [2:40:17] to 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 48 seconds, sir. [2:40:22] Okay, now, [2:40:24] what about the statement, [2:40:26] hindi marunong maging presidente [2:40:28] ang nakaupo? [2:40:29] Kasalanan ko ba yun? [2:40:31] In what particular portion [2:40:32] of the subject video [2:40:34] did the Vice President utter that? [2:40:38] Time stamp, [2:40:42] 55 minutes, 26 seconds, [2:40:44] to time stamp, [2:40:46] 55 minutes, and 37 seconds, sir. [2:40:48] Okay, now, [2:40:50] what about the statement [2:40:51] that I quote, [2:40:52] hindi ko alam. [2:40:54] Isang beses, [2:40:54] sinabihan ko talaga [2:40:56] si Sinas Senator Aimee, [2:40:58] pagdi tumigil, [2:41:00] huhukayin ko [2:41:01] ang tatay niyo [2:41:02] at itatapon ko siya [2:41:03] sa West Philippine Sea. [2:41:05] In what particular portion [2:41:06] of the video [2:41:07] did the Vice President [2:41:09] utter those words? [2:41:10] Time stamp, [2:41:12] 1 hour, 11 minutes, [2:41:13] and 28 seconds, [2:41:15] to 1 hour, [2:41:16] 11 minutes, [2:41:17] and 42 seconds, sir. [2:41:19] And finally, [2:41:19] as to the statements, [2:41:21] I quote, [2:41:22] kung presidente niyo, [2:41:23] siya, [2:41:24] okay lang, [2:41:25] ako hanggang [2:41:26] Vice President lang. [2:41:27] Hanggang Vice President lang ako. [2:41:30] Hanggang number two lang [2:41:31] itong bansang ito, [2:41:32] wala itong number one [2:41:33] para sa akin. [2:41:34] In what particular portion [2:41:35] of that video [2:41:36] did the Vice President [2:41:37] utter those words? [2:41:38] On time stamp, [2:41:41] 1 hour, [2:41:42] 4 minutes, [2:41:43] and 2 seconds, [2:41:44] to 1 hour, [2:41:45] 4 minutes, [2:41:46] and 16 seconds. [2:41:47] Your Honor, [2:41:48] this representation [2:41:49] took notes [2:41:50] of the time stamp. [2:41:51] So, Your Honor, [2:41:52] please, [2:41:52] we now move for, [2:41:54] we go to the next question. [2:41:55] Now, Mr. Witness, [2:41:57] I'm about to show you [2:41:58] the specific portions [2:42:01] of the recording [2:42:02] of the October 18, [2:42:04] 2024 press conference. [2:42:07] Now, you tell us [2:42:08] after viewing [2:42:08] these portions, [2:42:10] what relations [2:42:11] do they have [2:42:12] with the subject video [2:42:14] of that October 18, [2:42:15] 2024 video [2:42:16] that you identified, [2:42:18] if any, [2:42:19] okay? [2:42:20] Now, [2:42:20] Your Honor, [2:42:21] we move that [2:42:22] Attorney Stephen Magalion [2:42:24] be allowed [2:42:24] to proceed [2:42:25] to the technical booth [2:42:26] to bring [2:42:27] the flash drive [2:42:29] and for the Secretariat [2:42:30] to play [2:42:31] specific portions [2:42:32] of the video [2:42:33] identified by the witness. [2:42:34] Conditioned upon [2:42:35] counsel being accompanied [2:42:37] by a representative [2:42:37] of the counsel [2:42:38] for the respondents [2:42:40] so that the exact same [2:42:41] USB flash drive [2:42:42] will be the one [2:42:44] that will be played. [2:42:45] To guide [2:42:46] the Secretariat, [2:42:48] Your Honor, [2:42:48] please, [2:42:48] these are the timestamps [2:42:49] that the prosecution [2:42:50] would like to present. [2:42:52] First, [2:42:53] from one hour, [2:42:55] 35 minutes [2:42:57] to 57 seconds [2:42:59] to one hour, [2:43:01] 36 minutes [2:43:02] and 10 seconds [2:43:03] at the first video [2:43:04] and the second video [2:43:05] is from [2:43:05] one hour, [2:43:07] 36 minutes, [2:43:08] 52 seconds [2:43:09] to one hour, [2:43:10] 36 minutes [2:43:11] and 58 seconds. [2:43:13] So, [2:43:13] move, [2:43:14] Your Honor, [2:43:14] please. [2:43:14] The Secretariat [2:43:20] is instructed [2:43:20] to kindly [2:43:21] play the video [2:43:23] in the presence [2:43:24] of both [2:43:25] counsels [2:43:25] for the parties. [2:43:29] I realized [2:44:22] the second video, [2:44:37] please, [2:44:37] time stops [2:44:38] one hour, [2:44:39] 36 seconds [2:44:40] to 56 minutes [2:44:41] to 52 seconds [2:44:43] to one hour, [2:44:44] 36 minutes [2:44:44] and 58 seconds, [2:44:46] please. [2:44:46] Oh, [2:44:46] it's done. [2:44:48] Is that it? [2:44:49] Cutting his head [2:44:51] to come [2:44:56] that I didn't want [2:44:58] to go. [2:44:59] Mr. Witness, [2:45:00] you heard [2:45:01] the Vice President [2:45:04] mentioning [2:45:05] cutting somebody [2:45:09] else's head. [2:45:11] Based on your investigation, [2:45:14] based on your investigation, [2:45:18] kaninong ulo ba [2:45:19] yung nirefer [2:45:22] ng Vice President [2:45:23] na gusto niyang tanggalin? [2:45:26] The President, sir. [2:45:29] Ulo ng Presidente. [2:45:31] Yes, sir. [2:45:35] Mr. President, [2:45:36] you also mentioned [2:45:38] of time stamps, [2:45:40] one hour, [2:45:42] 38 minutes [2:45:43] to 32 seconds [2:45:44] and one hour, [2:45:46] 38 minutes [2:45:47] to 48 seconds. [2:45:48] May we have [2:45:49] that specific [2:45:50] portion be played? [2:45:57] So, [2:45:57] narealize ko, [2:45:59] toxic na, [2:45:59] di ba? [2:46:00] Ganyan na yung [2:46:01] imagination mo, [2:46:04] ang imagination mo, [2:46:05] sinasakal mo na yung [2:46:06] tao. [2:46:08] And then I said, [2:46:10] this is over. [2:46:15] Okay. [2:46:17] Then, [2:46:17] what about [2:46:18] from time stamps, [2:46:20] 55 minutes, [2:46:21] 26 seconds [2:46:22] to 55 minutes, [2:46:24] 37 seconds, [2:46:25] please? [2:46:25] Elaborate po. [2:46:37] Hindi marunong maging [2:46:40] Presidente [2:46:41] ang nakaupo. [2:46:45] Salanan ko ba yun? [2:46:47] Hindi. [2:46:51] Mag sinasabi ng mga tao, [2:46:52] kasalanan mo, [2:46:53] kasi hindi ka tumakbo, [2:46:54] ikaw sana yung Presidente, [2:46:55] hindi siya. [2:46:57] Upita na, [2:46:58] I said, [2:46:59] maaga ako nagsabi [2:47:00] na [2:47:01] hindi ako [2:47:03] tatakbo [2:47:04] for [2:47:05] President. [2:47:06] May mga, [2:47:07] madaming mga... [2:47:08] Okay. [2:47:11] Now, [2:47:12] what about [2:47:13] from time stamps, [2:47:15] 1 hour, [2:47:16] 11 seconds, [2:47:17] sorry, [2:47:17] sorry, [2:47:18] 1 hour, [2:47:18] 11 minutes, [2:47:19] 28 seconds, [2:47:20] 1 hour, [2:47:20] 11 minutes, [2:47:21] 42 seconds. [2:47:22] Hindi ko alam, [2:47:47] pero isang beses [2:47:48] sinabihan ko talaga [2:47:48] si Senator Aini. [2:47:50] Sabi ko sa kanya, [2:47:51] kung hindi kayo tumigil, [2:47:53] huukayin ko [2:47:54] yung tatay ninyo, [2:47:56] itatapon ko siya [2:47:57] sa West Philippine Sea. [2:48:00] Sinabihan ko [2:48:01] Senator Aini. [2:48:05] Thank you. [2:48:05] What about [2:48:06] from time stamps, [2:48:07] 1 hour, [2:48:09] 4 minutes, [2:48:10] to 02 seconds, [2:48:12] to 1 hour, [2:48:13] 04 minutes, [2:48:15] 16 seconds. [2:48:26] Ano? [2:48:26] Ay hindi. [2:48:27] Hindi ko na gusto. [2:48:28] Kung Presidente niyo siya, [2:48:30] okay lang. [2:48:31] Ako, [2:48:31] hanggang Vice President lang ako, [2:48:34] hanggang number two lang [2:48:35] itong bansa na ito, [2:48:37] wala itong number one [2:48:38] para sa akin. [2:48:42] Yeah. [2:48:43] Okay. [2:48:44] May proceed, Your Honor. [2:48:45] Mr. Witness, [2:48:46] what relation? [2:48:47] If any, [2:48:48] do these portions [2:48:49] of that specific video have [2:48:51] with the video [2:48:52] you authenticated [2:48:54] as to the [2:48:55] press conference [2:48:56] of the Vice President [2:48:57] on October 18, 2023? [2:49:01] Those video presented [2:49:02] were portions [2:49:03] of the video [2:49:04] that I recorded [2:49:05] and authenticated, sir. [2:49:06] Thank you so much. [2:49:07] Mr. Witness, [2:49:08] ano ba yung nangyari [2:49:09] kung meron pa [2:49:10] after you authenticated, [2:49:12] identified and authenticated [2:49:14] the video [2:49:14] ng Vice President [2:49:16] on October 18, 2024? [2:49:18] We performed [2:49:20] open source investigation [2:49:21] to identify naman po [2:49:23] yung mga naging responses [2:49:25] ng iba't-ibang tao [2:49:27] in response to the [2:49:28] statement of [2:49:29] the Vice President po. [2:49:31] Ano ba yung naging resulta [2:49:33] kung meron man [2:49:34] sa naging open source [2:49:35] investigation nyo? [2:49:36] We found that the President [2:49:40] himself, [2:49:41] the former Speaker [2:49:42] of the House, [2:49:43] and different [2:49:44] governmental agencies [2:49:45] made their statement [2:49:47] in response to the [2:49:48] statement of the [2:49:49] Vice President. [2:49:49] So, yung Presidente, [2:49:51] yung Speaker, [2:49:52] former Speaker [2:49:52] of the House, [2:49:53] saka yung mga [2:49:54] sinasabi mong [2:49:54] mga governmental [2:49:55] agencies [2:49:56] nagbigay ng kanilang [2:49:58] mga tugon [2:49:58] sa mga nasabi [2:49:59] ng Vice President. [2:50:00] Now, ano ba yung mga [2:50:01] governmental agencies [2:50:03] neto that you are [2:50:04] referring to [2:50:04] aside from [2:50:05] the President [2:50:06] and the former Speaker [2:50:07] of the House [2:50:07] of Representatives? [2:50:09] The Armed Forces [2:50:10] of the Philippines, [2:50:12] the Philippine [2:50:13] National Police, [2:50:15] the National Security [2:50:16] Council, [2:50:17] and the Presidential [2:50:18] Communication Officer. [2:50:19] Okay, now, [2:50:20] nasabi mo na yung [2:50:21] Presidente ay nag-issue [2:50:23] ng kanyang statement [2:50:25] in relation sa [2:50:26] naging mga pahayag [2:50:28] ng Vice President. [2:50:29] Ano ba yung naging [2:50:30] pruweba mo [2:50:31] sa naging statement [2:50:32] ng Vice Presidente? [2:50:35] I have taken a screenshot [2:50:36] of the statement [2:50:37] of the President [2:50:38] on the official [2:50:39] webpage of the [2:50:41] Presidential [2:50:42] Communication Office [2:50:43] and I also have [2:50:45] a video recording [2:50:47] which I authenticated [2:50:48] wherein the President [2:50:50] made such a statement, [2:50:51] Sir. [2:50:51] Okay, so, [2:50:52] nasabi mo [2:50:52] isang screenshot [2:50:54] saka isang [2:50:55] authenticated recording [2:50:56] ng Presidente. [2:50:57] Now, let's go to [2:50:57] that screenshot. [2:50:58] Sino yung kumuha [2:50:59] ng screenshot [2:50:59] kung alam mo? [2:51:01] I did, Sir, [2:51:02] and I use my laptop. [2:51:03] Ginamit mo yung laptop mo. [2:51:04] Ano ba yung ginawa mo [2:51:05] kung meron man [2:51:06] sa naging screenshot mo [2:51:08] sa laptop mo? [2:51:09] I first saved [2:51:10] an electronic copy [2:51:11] po ng screenshot [2:51:12] sa laptop. [2:51:12] Now, saan na [2:51:12] kung screenshot? [2:51:14] Pin-print ko po. [2:51:15] Ha? [2:51:16] Pin-print ko po. [2:51:17] Print mo. [2:51:18] Now, saan na yung [2:51:19] print-out [2:51:19] ng screenshot na ito? [2:51:21] Sinamit ko po [2:51:22] sa Committee on Justice [2:51:23] of House of Representatives. [2:51:24] Now, [2:51:25] kung yung print-out [2:51:26] ng naging statement [2:51:28] ng Presidente, [2:51:29] sinabi mo, [2:51:29] titled, [2:51:30] Message by President [2:51:32] Ferdinand R. [2:51:32] Marcos Jr. [2:51:33] is shown to you, [2:51:35] will you be able [2:51:35] to identify the same? [2:51:37] Yes po. [2:51:37] I'm showing you now [2:51:38] a print-out [2:51:40] of a screenshot [2:51:40] of the statement [2:51:41] from the President [2:51:42] titled, [2:51:44] Quotes, [2:51:44] Message from President [2:51:46] Ferdinand R. [2:51:46] Marcos Jr. [2:51:48] and Quotes, [2:51:49] Your Honor, [2:51:50] that is previously [2:51:51] marked as Exhibit [2:51:52] P-Roman numeral [2:51:53] 4-12 [2:51:55] for the prosecution [2:51:56] through the website [2:51:57] of the Presidential [2:51:58] Communications Office. [2:52:00] Now, question, [2:52:01] what relation [2:52:01] if any [2:52:03] does this document [2:52:04] have with the print-out [2:52:05] that you mentioned? [2:52:13] Your Honor, [2:52:13] same objections [2:52:14] to this print-out. [2:52:17] Yes. [2:52:22] May I know [2:52:22] the specific [2:52:23] objections? [2:52:23] Your Honor, [2:52:23] same objections. [2:52:24] There is, [2:52:25] on the left, [2:52:26] right, [2:52:27] bottom portion [2:52:28] of the [2:52:29] Annex I, [2:52:31] Annex P-U-12, [2:52:34] 12A, [2:52:35] and until [2:52:37] 12B, [2:52:39] there is, [2:52:40] there are [2:52:40] marked, [2:52:41] certified true copies [2:52:43] from the NBI [2:52:43] signed, [2:52:45] Safira T, [2:52:46] dated 4-10-26, [2:52:49] Your Honor. [2:52:49] Court made [2:52:50] the previous [2:52:51] ruling about [2:52:51] this matter already, [2:52:52] but the objection [2:52:53] is surely noted. [2:52:54] Submit, [2:52:55] Your Honor. [2:52:55] Thank you. [2:52:55] Mr. Witness, [2:52:56] how faithful, [2:52:57] please, [2:52:59] how faithful, [2:53:00] if at all, [2:53:01] is this print-out [2:53:01] from the actual [2:53:02] screenshots? [2:53:05] The print-out [2:53:06] accurately reflects [2:53:07] the screenshot, [2:53:08] sir. [2:53:09] And how do you know [2:53:09] that this print-out [2:53:10] accurately reflects [2:53:12] the screenshot? [2:53:13] I compared [2:53:14] the print-outs [2:53:14] with the screenshot [2:53:15] and the web page [2:53:17] wherein the message [2:53:18] can be seen [2:53:19] and found that [2:53:20] the contents [2:53:20] are identical, [2:53:21] sir. [2:53:21] Now, [2:53:21] you mentioned [2:53:22] that an authenticated [2:53:23] recording of the [2:53:24] president making [2:53:25] a statement, [2:53:25] you mentioned [2:53:26] that. [2:53:26] Now, [2:53:27] yung question now [2:53:27] is, [2:53:28] sino ba yung gumawa [2:53:29] ng authentication [2:53:29] na ito? [2:53:31] I did, sir. [2:53:32] Ano ba yung prueba mo [2:53:33] na ikaw talaga [2:53:34] yung nag-authenticate [2:53:35] ng video na ito? [2:53:37] It's part of the [2:53:38] January 30 [2:53:39] Affidavit of Authentication [2:53:41] of Digital Evidence [2:53:42] na in-identify [2:53:43] ko po kanina. [2:53:44] Okay, [2:53:44] Mr. Witness, [2:53:45] ano bang ginawa mo [2:53:46] kung meron man [2:53:47] pagkatapos mo [2:53:48] sinabi mong [2:53:49] nirecord mo, [2:53:50] tsaka inauthenticate mo [2:53:51] yung video [2:53:52] ng presidente [2:53:53] na nagbibigay [2:53:54] ng statement niya? [2:53:56] Sinib ko po yung [2:53:57] video sa laptop ko [2:53:58] and sa flash drive. [2:54:00] Oh, [2:54:00] na-mention mo yung [2:54:00] flash drive. [2:54:01] Now, [2:54:02] kung yung flash drive [2:54:02] ipapakita sa'yo, [2:54:04] ma-identify mo ba [2:54:05] yan? [2:54:06] Yes po. [2:54:06] Now, [2:54:07] Your Honor, [2:54:07] please, [2:54:07] we are in the process [2:54:08] of confronting [2:54:09] this witness [2:54:10] ng isang flash drive [2:54:11] that is previously [2:54:13] marked for the [2:54:14] prosecution [2:54:14] as exhibit P, [2:54:16] dash, [2:54:16] Roman numeral 4, [2:54:18] dash 13, [2:54:18] small letter A. [2:54:21] Permission to unseal [2:54:22] the flash drive, sir. [2:54:25] Witness may do so. [2:54:26] Thank you, [2:54:26] Your Honor. [2:54:26] Continuing manifestation [2:54:30] that the flash drive [2:54:32] contains the recording [2:54:33] of the President [2:54:34] making the statement [2:54:35] that is previously [2:54:36] marked as exhibit [2:54:37] P, [2:54:38] dash, [2:54:38] Roman numeral 4, [2:54:39] dash 13, [2:54:40] for the prosecution. [2:54:43] This is the flash drive [2:54:48] where I see the recording, sir. [2:54:51] Okay, [2:54:51] now, [2:54:53] move that we allow [2:54:54] Attorney Stephen Magalion [2:54:56] to proceed to the [2:54:57] technical booth [2:54:58] to have [2:54:59] the recording [2:55:00] played on peace [2:55:01] to be accompanied [2:55:03] by the defense [2:55:04] if they want to. [2:55:05] So, [2:55:05] ordered, [2:55:06] Takabahala [2:56:07] ang mga pahayag [2:56:09] na narinig natin [2:56:10] itong mga nakarang araw. [2:56:12] Nandyan [2:56:13] ang walang pakundangang [2:56:14] pagmumura [2:56:15] at ang pagbabanta [2:56:17] ng planong ipapatay [2:56:18] ang ilan sa atin. [2:56:20] Kung ganun na lang kadali [2:56:21] ang pagplano [2:56:22] sa pagpatay [2:56:23] ng isang presidente, [2:56:25] paano pa kaya [2:56:26] ang mga pagkaraniwa [2:56:27] na mamamayan? [2:56:28] Yang ganyang [2:56:29] kriminal [2:56:30] na pagtatangka [2:56:31] ay hindi dapat [2:56:32] pinapalampas. [2:56:34] Yan [2:56:34] ay aking papalagan. [2:56:37] As a democratic country, [2:56:39] we need to uphold [2:56:40] the rule of law. [2:56:42] Ako, [2:56:42] bilang pinuno [2:56:43] ng Executive Department [2:56:45] at lahat [2:56:46] ng mga nanunungkulan [2:56:48] sa pamahalaan [2:56:49] ay may sinumpaang tungkulin [2:56:51] na tutup din [2:56:52] at pangangalagaan [2:56:54] ang konstitusyon [2:56:55] at ang ating mga batas. [2:56:57] Kaya hindi tama [2:56:58] ang pagpigil [2:56:59] sa mga halal [2:57:00] ng bayan [2:57:01] sa paghahanap [2:57:02] ng katotohanan. [2:57:03] Hindi na sanang [2:57:04] hahantong [2:57:05] sa ganitong drama [2:57:06] kung ito [2:57:07] at sa House of Representatives. [2:57:09] Ang katotohanan [2:57:10] ay hindi dapat [2:57:11] itokhang. [2:57:12] Tapos na sana [2:57:13] ang usapang ito [2:57:14] kung tutupayan [2:57:15] ay magsabi [2:57:17] ng totoo [2:57:17] at hindi [2:57:19] hahadlangan. [2:57:19] Imbis na diritsahang sagot [2:57:21] nililiis pa [2:57:23] sa kwentong [2:57:23] Chichiria. [2:57:24] Hangad ko [2:57:25] na matuldukan na [2:57:26] itong mga pangyayaring ito [2:57:28] sa parang [2:57:29] matiwasay [2:57:30] at magdadala [2:57:31] sa atin [2:57:32] sa katotohanan. [2:57:33] Labindalawang taong [2:57:34] din ako [2:57:34] nanungkulan [2:57:35] sa magkaparehong [2:57:36] kamera ng Kongreso. [2:57:38] Batid ko [2:57:39] ang kapangyarihan [2:57:40] iginawan sa kanila [2:57:41] ng taong bayan [2:57:43] at ng ating [2:57:43] konstitusyon. [2:57:45] Dahil dito, [2:57:46] ikinagalang ko [2:57:47] ang kanilang gawa [2:57:48] at ang buong [2:57:49] executive branch [2:57:50] lahat ng mga [2:57:51] ayensya [2:57:51] ay hindi nakakaligtas [2:57:53] at parating sumasa [2:57:55] ilalim sa kanilang [2:57:56] masusing pagsusuri. [2:57:57] Bilang isang bansa, [2:57:59] marami tayong [2:58:00] mga paghamon [2:58:01] na dapat harapin [2:58:02] at mga suliraning [2:58:04] dapat digyan ng lunas. [2:58:05] Sa kabila [2:58:06] ng mga pambabatikos [2:58:07] na kain natin [2:58:08] ikokompromiso [2:58:09] ang rule of law. [2:58:11] Kailangan [2:58:11] manaig ang batas [2:58:13] sa anumang sitwasyon [2:58:14] sino man. [2:58:15] ang tamaan. [2:58:16] Kaya hindi ko [2:58:17] hahayaan [2:58:18] magtagumpay [2:58:19] ang hangarin [2:58:20] ng iba [2:58:20] na hatakin [2:58:22] ang buong bansa [2:58:23] sa burat ng politika. [2:58:25] Igalang natin [2:58:26] ang proseso. [2:58:28] Ito pa rin [2:58:28] ang katiwala [2:58:29] sa atin [2:58:29] ng milyon-milyon [2:58:31] na Pilipino. [2:58:32] Magtrabaho po tayo [2:58:33] sa ikaw-uunlat [2:58:34] ng Republika [2:58:35] ng Pilipinas [2:58:36] at para [2:58:37] matamo [2:58:38] ang bagong [2:58:39] Pilipinas. [2:58:40] Your Honor, [2:58:40] the defense [2:58:41] puts on record [2:58:42] that the video [2:58:43] was skipping [2:58:44] and then portions [2:58:46] where the [2:58:46] president [2:58:47] or who [2:58:49] seemed to be [2:58:49] the president [2:58:50] was paused [2:58:51] while audio [2:58:52] was continuing [2:58:53] playing. [2:58:55] So it's delayed? [2:58:56] Yes, [2:58:56] Your Honor. [2:58:57] Noted. [2:58:58] Thank you. [2:58:59] Mr. [2:58:59] Witness, [2:59:00] what relation [2:59:00] if any [2:59:01] does that video [2:59:02] have of the [2:59:04] president [2:59:04] taking the [2:59:05] statement [2:59:05] if any [2:59:06] to the video [2:59:07] of the president [2:59:07] making the statement? [2:59:08] That is the video [2:59:10] that I recorded [2:59:11] and authenticated, [2:59:12] sir. [2:59:12] All right, [2:59:13] now proceed. [2:59:13] You mentioned [2:59:14] that the [2:59:14] presidential [2:59:15] communications [2:59:16] office or [2:59:17] PCO [2:59:17] also issued [2:59:18] a statement. [2:59:19] Ano yung [2:59:20] pruweba mo [2:59:20] na yung PCO [2:59:21] nag-issue [2:59:22] ng statement [2:59:22] na iyan? [2:59:24] I have a [2:59:25] screenshot [2:59:25] of the [2:59:26] webpage [2:59:26] of the [2:59:27] presidential [2:59:27] communication [2:59:28] office [2:59:29] wherein [2:59:29] they [2:59:29] consider [2:59:30] the [2:59:30] statement [2:59:31] of the [2:59:31] vice [2:59:31] president [2:59:32] as an [2:59:32] active threat. [2:59:34] As an [2:59:34] active threat. [2:59:35] Okay, [2:59:35] now, [2:59:36] sino yung [2:59:36] kumuha [2:59:36] ng screenshot [2:59:37] na iyan? [2:59:38] I did, [2:59:39] sir, [2:59:39] and I [2:59:39] used my [2:59:40] laptop. [2:59:40] Now, [2:59:41] saan yung [2:59:41] print-out [2:59:42] ng screenshot [2:59:42] galing sa [2:59:52] website [2:59:53] ng PCO [2:59:53] kung saan [2:59:55] yung statement, [2:59:55] makikita yung [2:59:56] statements [2:59:56] ng vice [2:59:57] president [2:59:58] sinasabi [2:59:58] ng PCO [2:59:59] that's [3:00:00] an [3:00:01] active [3:00:01] threat. [3:00:02] Now, [3:00:02] previously [3:00:02] marked [3:00:03] in [3:00:03] exhibit [3:00:03] P [3:00:04] dash [3:00:04] Roman [3:00:05] numeral [3:00:05] 414. [3:00:07] May [3:00:07] you [3:00:07] peruse [3:00:08] the [3:00:08] same? [3:00:09] And [3:00:09] after [3:00:09] perusing [3:00:10] the [3:00:10] same, [3:00:11] the [3:00:11] question [3:00:12] Mr. [3:00:12] Kalilong [3:00:13] is [3:00:14] what [3:00:14] relation [3:00:15] if [3:00:15] any [3:00:15] does [3:00:15] this [3:00:15] document [3:00:16] have [3:00:16] with [3:00:16] the [3:00:16] print [3:00:16] that [3:00:17] you [3:00:17] mentioned [3:00:17] but [3:00:17] you [3:00:17] have [3:00:17] to [3:00:18] produce [3:00:18] the [3:00:18] document [3:00:18] first. [3:00:19] For the [3:00:23] record [3:00:24] again, [3:00:24] your [3:00:24] honor, [3:00:24] the [3:00:25] exhibit [3:00:30] P [3:00:31] dash [3:00:32] 4-14 [3:00:33] is a [3:00:33] photocopy [3:00:35] and [3:00:36] on the [3:00:37] right [3:00:38] bottom [3:00:39] part [3:00:39] there is [3:00:41] a stamp [3:00:41] marked [3:00:42] certified [3:00:43] true [3:00:43] copy [3:00:44] NBI [3:00:44] signed [3:00:45] Sapphira [3:00:46] T [3:00:46] dated [3:00:47] 4-10-26. [3:00:50] The [3:00:50] observations [3:00:51] and [3:00:51] comments [3:00:51] of [3:00:52] the [3:00:52] respondents [3:00:52] council [3:00:53] are [3:00:53] duly [3:00:53] noted. [3:00:55] Witness [3:00:56] may [3:00:56] answer. [3:00:58] Please [3:01:01] peruse [3:01:01] the [3:01:01] document [3:01:01] and [3:01:02] answer [3:01:02] the [3:01:02] question [3:01:02] please. [3:01:05] This [3:01:05] is [3:01:05] the [3:01:05] copy [3:01:06] of [3:01:06] the [3:01:06] print [3:01:07] out [3:01:07] that [3:01:07] was [3:01:07] submitted [3:01:08] to [3:01:08] the [3:01:08] committee [3:01:08] on [3:01:08] justice [3:01:09] sir. [3:01:09] Thank [3:01:09] you [3:01:09] so [3:01:10] much. [3:01:10] How [3:01:10] faithful [3:01:10] if at [3:01:11] all [3:01:11] is [3:01:11] this [3:01:11] print [3:01:11] out [3:01:11] from [3:01:12] the [3:01:12] actual [3:01:12] screenshot [3:01:12] you [3:01:13] mentioned? [3:01:14] The [3:01:14] print [3:01:14] out [3:01:15] accurately [3:01:15] reflects [3:01:16] the [3:01:16] screenshot [3:01:16] sir. [3:01:17] And [3:01:17] how [3:01:17] do [3:01:17] you [3:01:18] know [3:01:18] that [3:01:18] the [3:01:18] print [3:01:19] out [3:01:19] accurately [3:01:20] reflects [3:01:20] the [3:01:20] screenshots? [3:01:22] I have [3:01:22] compared [3:01:23] the [3:01:23] screenshot [3:01:24] with [3:01:24] the [3:01:24] print [3:01:25] outs [3:01:25] and [3:01:25] the [3:01:25] web [3:01:25] page [3:01:26] and [3:01:26] found [3:01:27] that [3:01:27] the [3:01:27] contents [3:01:27] are [3:01:27] identical. [3:01:28] Now [3:01:29] let's [3:01:29] proceed [3:01:29] Mr. [3:01:30] Witness [3:01:30] sinabi [3:01:31] mo [3:01:31] rin [3:01:31] na [3:01:31] yung [3:01:31] former [3:01:32] Speaker [3:01:32] ng [3:01:32] House [3:01:33] of [3:01:33] Representatives [3:01:33] nagbigay [3:01:34] rin [3:01:34] ng [3:01:35] statements [3:01:35] sa [3:01:36] mga [3:01:36] pagbabalta [3:01:37] ni [3:01:37] Viby [3:01:37] Duterte [3:01:38] sa [3:01:38] isang [3:01:39] sad [3:01:39] video. [3:01:40] Ano [3:01:40] ba [3:01:40] yung [3:01:40] maging [3:01:41] pruweba [3:01:41] mo [3:01:41] sa [3:01:42] naging [3:01:42] pahayag [3:01:43] ng [3:01:43] former [3:01:43] Speaker [3:01:44] ng [3:01:44] House [3:01:44] of [3:01:44] Representatives? [3:01:47] I have [3:01:48] a video [3:01:48] of the [3:01:49] statement [3:01:49] of the [3:01:50] former [3:01:50] Speaker [3:01:51] of the [3:01:51] House [3:01:51] of [3:01:52] Representatives [3:01:53] during [3:01:54] the [3:01:54] plenary [3:01:55] session [3:01:56] on [3:01:56] November [3:01:56] 25, [3:01:57] 2024 [3:01:58] which [3:01:59] was [3:01:59] published [3:02:00] by [3:02:00] ANC [3:02:00] Digital [3:02:01] Sir. [3:02:01] Ano [3:02:01] sinabi [3:02:01] mo [3:02:02] na [3:02:02] authenticate [3:02:02] mo [3:02:02] yung [3:02:03] video [3:02:03] na [3:02:03] yun? [3:02:04] Ano [3:02:04] ba [3:02:04] yung [3:02:04] naging [3:02:05] pruweba [3:02:05] mo [3:02:06] na [3:02:06] ikaw [3:02:06] ay [3:02:06] nag [3:02:06] authenticate [3:02:07] sa [3:02:07] video [3:02:08] na [3:02:08] iyan? [3:02:09] It's [3:02:09] part [3:02:10] of [3:02:10] the [3:02:10] Affidavit [3:02:11] of [3:02:11] Authentication [3:02:12] of [3:02:12] Digital [3:02:12] Evidence [3:02:13] dated [3:02:13] January [3:02:14] 30, [3:02:14] 2025 [3:02:15] which [3:02:16] I [3:02:16] identified [3:02:17] earlier [3:02:17] Sir. [3:02:17] Ano [3:02:18] ba [3:02:18] yung [3:02:18] ginawa [3:02:19] mo [3:02:19] kung [3:02:19] meron [3:02:19] man [3:02:20] after [3:02:20] you [3:02:20] authenticated [3:02:21] yung [3:02:21] video [3:02:22] ng [3:02:22] former [3:02:22] Speaker [3:02:23] of [3:02:23] the [3:02:23] House [3:02:23] of [3:02:23] Representatives? [3:02:25] I [3:02:26] saved [3:02:26] a [3:02:26] copy [3:02:26] of [3:02:27] the [3:02:27] video [3:02:27] on [3:02:27] my [3:02:27] laptop [3:02:28] and [3:02:28] a [3:02:29] copy [3:02:29] of [3:02:29] the [3:02:29] video [3:02:30] on [3:02:30] a [3:02:30] DVD [3:02:30] and [3:02:31] a [3:02:31] flash [3:02:31] drive. [3:02:32] Now [3:02:32] sinabi [3:02:32] mo [3:02:32] sa [3:02:33] isang [3:02:34] flash [3:02:34] drive [3:02:34] Yes, [3:02:41] sir. [3:02:41] The [3:02:42] Honor, [3:02:42] we're [3:02:42] in the [3:02:42] process [3:02:43] of [3:02:43] presenting [3:02:45] to the [3:02:45] witness [3:02:45] yung [3:02:46] isang [3:02:46] flash [3:02:47] drive [3:02:47] that [3:02:47] has [3:02:48] been [3:02:48] previously [3:02:48] marked [3:02:49] as [3:02:49] Exhibit [3:02:49] P [3:02:50] Roman [3:02:51] 4 [3:02:51] 15 [3:02:52] sub [3:02:53] paragraph [3:02:53] A [3:02:53] which [3:02:54] contains [3:02:55] the [3:02:55] recording [3:02:55] of [3:02:55] the [3:02:55] former [3:02:56] Speaker's [3:02:56] speech [3:02:57] previously [3:02:58] marked [3:02:58] as [3:02:58] Exhibit [3:02:58] P [3:02:59] Roman [3:03:00] 4 [3:03:00] 15 [3:03:01] Permission [3:03:03] to [3:03:03] unseal [3:03:03] the [3:03:03] flash [3:03:04] drive [3:03:04] Sir. [3:03:04] Thank [3:03:06] you [3:03:06] Your [3:03:06] Honor. [3:03:08] Manifestation, [3:03:09] the [3:03:09] witness [3:03:10] is [3:03:10] in [3:03:10] the [3:03:10] process [3:03:11] of [3:03:11] checking [3:03:11] that [3:03:12] flash [3:03:12] drive. [3:03:13] This [3:03:45] is [3:03:45] the [3:03:45] flash [3:03:45] drive [3:03:45] where [3:03:45] I [3:03:46] saved [3:03:46] the [3:03:46] recording [3:03:46] Sir. [3:03:47] Mr. [3:03:48] Witness, [3:03:48] question. [3:03:55] In what [3:03:55] particular [3:03:56] portion [3:03:56] of [3:03:58] that [3:03:58] video [3:03:59] did [3:04:00] the [3:04:01] former [3:04:01] Speaker [3:04:01] of [3:04:01] the [3:04:02] House [3:04:02] give [3:04:03] his [3:04:04] response [3:04:04] to [3:04:04] the [3:04:04] threats [3:04:05] of [3:04:05] the [3:04:05] Vice [3:04:05] President? [3:04:07] May I [3:04:07] refer [3:04:08] back [3:04:08] to [3:04:08] my [3:04:08] notes? [3:04:15] Your [3:04:15] Honor, [3:04:15] Your [3:04:19] Honor, [3:04:19] please. [3:04:21] There is [3:04:21] a request [3:04:22] by the [3:04:23] witness [3:04:23] that [3:04:23] he [3:04:23] be [3:04:24] allowed [3:04:24] to [3:04:25] refer [3:04:25] to [3:04:25] his [3:04:26] notes. [3:04:26] Yes, [3:04:27] the [3:04:27] witness [3:04:27] may [3:04:27] refer [3:04:28] to [3:04:28] his [3:04:28] notes [3:04:29] to [3:04:29] refresh [3:04:30] his [3:04:30] memory. [3:04:30] What [3:04:30] is [3:04:30] the [3:04:30] pleasure [3:04:31] of [3:04:31] Senator [3:04:31] Judge [3:04:32] Irwin [3:04:33] Tulfo? [3:04:35] Mr. [3:04:36] President [3:04:36] Officer, [3:04:37] just a [3:04:37] clarificatory [3:04:38] question. [3:04:40] The [3:04:40] witness [3:04:41] here [3:04:42] for the [3:04:43] record [3:04:43] mentioned [3:04:43] that he [3:04:44] was [3:04:44] referring [3:04:44] to [3:04:45] notes [3:04:45] canina [3:04:45] pa po [3:04:46] ito. [3:04:46] Could [3:04:47] he [3:04:47] please [3:04:47] clarify [3:04:48] what [3:04:48] specific [3:04:49] notes [3:04:49] he [3:04:49] was [3:04:50] referring [3:04:50] to? [3:04:51] Who [3:04:51] prepared [3:04:52] those [3:04:52] notes? [3:04:52] When [3:04:56] were [3:04:56] they [3:04:56] made [3:04:57] before [3:04:57] during [3:04:58] or [3:04:58] after [3:04:58] the [3:04:58] events [3:04:59] he [3:04:59] testified [3:05:00] about? [3:05:01] And [3:05:01] also [3:05:02] this [3:05:03] notes [3:05:03] was [3:05:06] submitted [3:05:08] as part [3:05:10] of the [3:05:11] evidence [3:05:11] also, [3:05:11] Mr. [3:05:13] Presiding [3:05:14] Officer. [3:05:14] Additionally, [3:05:15] the [3:05:15] question is [3:05:16] was he [3:05:17] relying [3:05:17] on [3:05:17] these [3:05:18] notes [3:05:18] to [3:05:18] refresh [3:05:19] his [3:05:19] recollection [3:05:20] while [3:05:21] giving [3:05:21] his [3:05:21] testimony [3:05:22] today? [3:05:23] Witness [3:05:24] will [3:05:24] please [3:05:24] answer [3:05:25] the [3:05:25] question [3:05:25] of [3:05:25] Senator [3:05:26] Judge [3:05:26] Erwin [3:05:27] Dolfo? [3:05:28] This [3:05:28] is [3:05:29] my [3:05:29] investigator's [3:05:30] notes [3:05:30] which [3:05:30] I [3:05:31] made [3:05:31] during [3:05:31] my [3:05:31] time [3:05:32] of [3:05:32] investigation [3:05:33] sir. [3:05:34] My [3:05:34] next [3:05:35] question [3:05:35] would [3:05:36] be [3:05:36] was [3:05:36] this [3:05:37] also [3:05:37] presented [3:05:37] since [3:05:38] notes [3:05:38] nyo [3:05:39] ito [3:05:39] pinagbabasihan [3:05:40] nyo [3:05:40] po [3:05:41] yung [3:05:41] testimony [3:05:41] nyo [3:05:42] rito [3:05:42] nagsubmit [3:05:43] sinabit [3:05:44] nyo [3:05:44] rin [3:05:44] po [3:05:44] ba [3:05:44] ito [3:05:45] as [3:05:45] an [3:05:45] evidence [3:05:46] so [3:05:46] that [3:05:46] may [3:05:47] ma-re-refer [3:05:49] din po [3:05:49] ang [3:05:49] defense [3:05:50] Mr. [3:05:51] Witness? [3:05:52] Yung [3:05:52] content [3:05:52] po [3:05:53] ng [3:05:53] affidibit [3:05:54] nung [3:05:54] notes [3:05:54] ko [3:05:55] is [3:05:55] nandun [3:05:55] na [3:05:55] po [3:05:55] sa [3:05:55] affidibit [3:05:56] investigation [3:05:57] sir. [3:05:58] Yung [3:05:58] copy [3:05:59] exactly [3:05:59] ng [3:06:00] notes [3:06:00] po [3:06:01] no [3:06:01] sir. [3:06:02] Hindi nyo [3:06:03] naibigay. [3:06:04] That's [3:06:05] all [3:06:05] your [3:06:05] honor. [3:06:06] Thank you [3:06:06] senator [3:06:07] judge [3:06:08] Irwin [3:06:08] Tulfo [3:06:08] counsel [3:06:09] for the [3:06:10] prosecution [3:06:10] that the [3:06:12] witness [3:06:13] referred to [3:06:14] his notes [3:06:14] when answering [3:06:15] specific [3:06:15] questions [3:06:16] as to [3:06:17] actual [3:06:18] statements [3:06:18] made by [3:06:19] the vice [3:06:19] president [3:06:19] and the [3:06:20] others [3:06:20] number [3:06:20] one [3:06:21] and number [3:06:21] two [3:06:21] in [3:06:22] referring [3:06:22] to [3:06:23] the [3:06:23] actual [3:06:23] timestamps [3:06:24] of the [3:06:25] video [3:06:25] for [3:06:25] these [3:06:26] specific [3:06:26] reasons [3:06:27] the [3:06:28] witness [3:06:28] was [3:06:28] referring [3:06:29] to [3:06:29] his [3:06:29] notes [3:06:29] as [3:06:30] to [3:06:30] his [3:06:31] answers [3:06:31] for [3:06:31] the [3:06:31] other [3:06:32] substantial [3:06:32] questions [3:06:33] he [3:06:33] was [3:06:33] not [3:06:34] 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president [3:14:26] got [3:14:27] in the [3:14:28] previous [3:14:28] election [3:14:29] thank you [3:14:29] thank you [3:14:30] counsel [3:14:30] for [3:14:30] the [3:14:30] president [3:14:31] chair [3:14:34] would [3:14:34] like [3:14:34] to [3:14:34] remind [3:14:37] my [3:14:37] colleagues [3:14:37] the [3:14:39] question [3:14:40] posed [3:14:40] by [3:14:40] senator [3:14:41] judge [3:14:41] Risa [3:14:42] pertains [3:14:43] to [3:14:43] the [3:14:43] final [3:14:43] question [3:14:44] of [3:14:44] this [3:14:44] entire [3:14:45] impeachment [3:14:45] proceedings [3:14:46] already [3:14:46] if [3:14:47] that [3:14:48] is [3:14:48] an [3:14:48] impeachable [3:14:49] act [3:14:49] or [3:14:49] not [3:14:49] and [3:14:51] since [3:14:51] we [3:14:51] gave [3:14:52] the [3:14:52] counsel [3:14:53] for [3:14:53] the [3:14:53] prosecutors [3:14:54] I think [3:14:55] about [3:14:55] five [3:14:55] minutes [3:14:56] chair [3:14:57] would [3:14:57] now [3:14:58] like [3:14:58] to [3:14:58] be [3:14:58] fair [3:14:59] and [3:14:59] hear [3:14:59] the [3:15:00] counsel [3:15:00] for [3:15:00] the [3:15:00] respondent [3:15:01] to [3:15:02] discuss [3:15:04] why [3:15:05] it is [3:15:06] not [3:15:06] an [3:15:08] impeachable [3:15:09] offense [3:15:10] your [3:15:11] honor [3:15:11] may be [3:15:11] allowed [3:15:12] I [3:15:12] allowed [3:15:12] to [3:15:13] do [3:15:13] so [3:15:13] after [3:15:13] our [3:15:13] cross [3:15:14] after [3:15:15] your [3:15:15] I [3:15:16] would [3:15:16] like [3:15:16] as I [3:15:17] understand [3:15:18] it [3:15:18] I [3:15:19] would [3:15:21] like [3:15:21] the [3:15:21] honorable [3:15:22] court [3:15:22] to [3:15:22] play [3:15:23] back [3:15:23] what [3:15:24] the [3:15:24] prosecutor [3:15:25] said [3:15:25] because [3:15:26] it's [3:15:26] very [3:15:26] interesting [3:15:26] so [3:15:27] may I [3:15:28] be [3:15:28] indulged [3:15:29] to [3:15:29] allow [3:15:30] to [3:15:30] give [3:15:31] my [3:15:31] answer [3:15:31] after [3:15:32] my [3:15:32] cross [3:15:32] examination [3:15:33] the [3:15:35] chair [3:15:35] will [3:15:35] allow [3:15:35] it [3:15:35] thank [3:15:36] you [3:15:36] but [3:15:37] you [3:15:37] would [3:15:37] have [3:15:37] the [3:15:37] similar [3:15:38] and [3:15:38] same [3:15:38] amount [3:15:39] of [3:15:39] time [3:15:39] given [3:15:40] to [3:15:40] the [3:15:40] council [3:15:41] for [3:15:41] the [3:15:42] prosecutors [3:15:42] again [3:15:43] to answer [3:15:44] the [3:15:44] reverse [3:15:45] of the [3:15:45] question [3:15:45] because [3:15:46] statements [3:15:47] were made [3:15:47] by the [3:15:47] council [3:15:48] for [3:15:48] the [3:15:48] prosecutor [3:15:49] there are [3:15:49] conclusions [3:15:50] of [3:15:50] fact [3:15:50] and [3:15:51] law [3:15:51] already [3:15:51] which [3:15:52] should be [3:15:53] taken [3:15:53] upon [3:15:53] advisement [3:15:54] by the [3:15:54] impeachment [3:15:54] court [3:15:55] because [3:15:55] these [3:15:55] were not [3:15:56] evidence [3:15:56] but [3:15:57] rather [3:15:57] conclusions [3:15:58] and [3:15:58] fact [3:15:58] and [3:15:58] law [3:15:58] by [3:15:59] the [3:15:59] council [3:15:59] for [3:15:59] prosecutors [3:16:00] senator [3:16:00] judge [3:16:01] Pia [3:16:01] Cayetano [3:16:01] is [3:16:02] recognized [3:16:02] ma'am [3:16:02] you may [3:16:02] proceed [3:16:03] what's [3:16:03] your [3:16:03] pleasure [3:16:03] thank you [3:16:03] thank you [3:16:04] mr. [3:16:04] president [3:16:04] no I [3:16:06] would [3:16:06] just [3:16:06] like [3:16:06] to [3:16:07] manifest [3:16:08] my [3:16:08] support [3:16:08] for [3:16:09] the [3:16:09] statement [3:16:10] and [3:16:10] observation [3:16:10] of [3:16:11] the [3:16:11] presiding [3:16:11] officer [3:16:12] that [3:16:12] was [3:16:13] like [3:16:13] a [3:16:13] closing [3:16:13] statement [3:16:14] mr. [3:16:14] president [3:16:14] so [3:16:15] I [3:16:16] don't [3:16:16] think [3:16:17] this [3:16:17] is [3:16:17] fair [3:16:17] because [3:16:18] you [3:16:18] know [3:16:18] some [3:16:20] parts [3:16:20] are [3:16:20] exciting [3:16:21] some [3:16:21] parts [3:16:21] are [3:16:21] dragging [3:16:22] we're [3:16:23] trying [3:16:23] our [3:16:23] best [3:16:24] to [3:16:24] be [3:16:24] paying [3:16:25] attention [3:16:25] and [3:16:26] what [3:16:31] objections [3:16:31] will [3:16:31] come [3:16:31] later [3:16:32] but [3:16:32] when [3:16:32] we [3:16:33] allow [3:16:33] this [3:16:33] to [3:16:33] happen [3:16:34] then [3:16:35] the [3:16:35] process [3:16:36] so [3:16:37] if I [3:16:40] may [3:16:40] with all [3:16:41] due [3:16:41] respect [3:16:41] mr. [3:16:43] president [3:16:43] admonish [3:16:44] us [3:16:45] call us [3:16:45] out [3:16:46] if [3:16:46] the [3:16:46] question [3:16:46] is [3:16:48] also [3:16:48] not [3:16:49] not [3:16:50] proper [3:16:50] at [3:16:51] the [3:16:51] proper [3:16:51] time [3:16:51] we [3:16:53] may [3:16:53] all [3:16:53] make [3:16:54] those [3:16:54] mistakes [3:16:54] even [3:16:54] I [3:16:55] may [3:16:55] make [3:16:55] that [3:16:55] mistake [3:16:55] and [3:16:56] I'm [3:16:56] telling [3:16:56] you [3:16:56] please [3:16:57] call [3:16:57] me [3:16:57] out [3:16:57] if [3:16:57] I [3:16:57] make [3:16:58] a [3:16:58] mistake [3:16:58] and [3:16:58] ask [3:16:58] the [3:16:58] kind [3:16:59] of [3:16:59] question [3:16:59] that [3:16:59] should [3:17:00] not [3:17:00] properly [3:17:00] be [3:17:00] asked [3:17:01] by [3:17:01] a [3:17:01] judge [3:17:01] at [3:17:02] that [3:17:02] particular [3:17:03] time [3:17:03] because [3:17:05] it [3:17:05] is [3:17:05] not [3:17:05] right [3:17:06] we [3:17:06] must [3:17:07] follow [3:17:07] the [3:17:07] rules [3:17:07] and [3:17:08] I [3:17:08] know [3:17:08] you [3:17:08] are [3:17:08] being [3:17:09] courteous [3:17:09] to [3:17:09] all [3:17:10] of [3:17:10] us [3:17:10] but [3:17:10] that [3:17:12] was [3:17:12] a [3:17:12] closing [3:17:12] statement [3:17:13] and [3:17:14] I [3:17:15] also [3:17:15] ask [3:17:15] the [3:17:15] parties [3:17:16] involved [3:17:16] you [3:17:18] have [3:17:18] an [3:17:19] oath [3:17:19] as [3:17:19] lawyers [3:17:20] don't [3:17:21] take [3:17:22] advantage [3:17:22] of [3:17:23] the [3:17:23] generosity [3:17:24] of [3:17:24] this [3:17:24] impeachment [3:17:24] court [3:17:25] I [3:17:27] don't [3:17:27] want [3:17:27] to [3:17:27] see [3:17:28] this [3:17:28] happen [3:17:28] again [3:17:28] thank [3:17:29] you [3:17:29] Mr. [3:17:30] President [3:17:30] Julie [3:17:31] noted [3:17:31] and [3:17:31] well [3:17:32] taken [3:17:32] the [3:17:32] chair [3:17:33] as [3:17:33] the [3:17:34] presiding [3:17:35] officer [3:17:35] said [3:17:35] earlier [3:17:36] reminded [3:17:37] our [3:17:38] colleagues [3:17:38] with [3:17:39] respect [3:17:39] to [3:17:40] similar [3:17:42] questions [3:17:42] to be [3:17:42] asked [3:17:43] in the [3:17:43] future [3:17:43] I [3:17:45] would [3:17:47] like [3:17:47] to [3:17:47] make [3:17:47] a [3:17:47] ruling [3:17:48] that [3:17:49] the [3:17:50] council [3:17:50] for [3:17:51] the [3:17:51] respondent [3:17:52] will [3:17:52] be [3:17:52] given [3:17:52] I [3:17:53] think [3:17:53] that [3:17:53] was [3:17:53] approximately [3:17:54] 8 [3:17:54] minutes [3:17:55] or [3:17:56] 10 [3:17:56] minutes [3:17:56] we [3:17:56] will [3:17:56] get [3:17:57] the [3:17:57] exact [3:17:57] time [3:17:57] to [3:17:58] answer [3:17:59] after [3:18:00] the [3:18:01] cross [3:18:01] examination [3:18:01] of [3:18:02] this [3:18:02] witness [3:18:02] so [3:18:03] that [3:18:03] we [3:18:03] would [3:18:03] be [3:18:04] fair [3:18:04] in [3:18:05] listening [3:18:05] and [3:18:06] hearing [3:18:06] the [3:18:07] views [3:18:07] of [3:18:07] both [3:18:08] parties [3:18:08] in [3:18:08] regard [3:18:09] to [3:18:09] the [3:18:10] query [3:18:10] raised [3:18:11] earlier [3:18:11] Senator [3:18:12] Judge [3:18:12] Pia [3:18:13] Cayetano [3:18:13] I [3:18:15] don't [3:18:16] mean [3:18:16] to [3:18:16] interrupt [3:18:17] I [3:18:17] want [3:18:17] to [3:18:17] give [3:18:18] the [3:18:18] defense [3:18:18] time [3:18:19] I [3:18:19] respectfully [3:18:20] move [3:18:20] that [3:18:21] the [3:18:21] statements [3:18:22] of [3:18:22] the [3:18:23] prosecution [3:18:23] be [3:18:24] stricken [3:18:25] of [3:18:25] the [3:18:25] record [3:18:25] it [3:18:26] is [3:18:26] not [3:18:26] proper [3:18:27] for [3:18:27] those [3:18:27] statements [3:18:28] have [3:18:28] been [3:18:28] made [3:18:28] thank [3:18:28] you [3:18:31] your [3:18:33] honor [3:18:33] if [3:18:34] I [3:18:34] please [3:18:35] um [3:18:37] with [3:18:38] the [3:18:39] portion [3:18:39] of [3:18:39] Senator [3:18:39] Judge [3:18:40] Pia [3:18:41] Cayetano [3:18:41] maybe [3:18:44] table [3:18:46] her [3:18:46] motion [3:18:47] and [3:18:47] act [3:18:47] on [3:18:48] it [3:18:48] at [3:18:49] a [3:18:49] later [3:18:49] time [3:18:49] with [3:18:49] respect [3:18:50] to [3:18:50] striking [3:18:50] it [3:18:51] so [3:18:51] that [3:18:51] we [3:18:52] can [3:18:52] discuss [3:18:52] the [3:18:52] matter [3:18:53] your [3:18:53] honor [3:18:53] for [3:18:53] your [3:18:54] generosity [3:18:55] Senator [3:18:55] for [3:18:56] the [3:18:56] record [3:18:57] we [3:18:57] join [3:18:58] the [3:18:58] motion [3:18:58] of [3:18:58] the [3:18:59] honorable [3:18:59] senator [3:18:59] no [3:19:03] need [3:19:03] counsel [3:19:04] that [3:19:05] most [3:19:05] will [3:19:05] be [3:19:05] taken [3:19:06] up [3:19:06] at [3:19:06] the [3:19:06] proper [3:19:07] time [3:19:07] by [3:19:07] this [3:19:08] court [3:19:08] noted [3:19:10] for [3:19:11] the [3:19:11] record [3:19:11] Senator [3:19:13] Judge [3:19:13] Irvin [3:19:16] Tulfo [3:19:16] first [3:19:17] and [3:19:17] then [3:19:17] Senator [3:19:18] Judge [3:19:18] Risa [3:19:19] Tiveros [3:19:19] once [3:19:20] again [3:19:20] I [3:19:23] think [3:19:24] to [3:19:24] resolve [3:19:24] this [3:19:25] issue [3:19:25] Mr. [3:19:25] Presiding [3:19:26] Officer [3:19:26] Mr. [3:19:26] President [3:19:27] a [3:19:29] quick [3:19:29] manifestation [3:19:30] um [3:19:31] can [3:19:32] we [3:19:33] request [3:19:35] the [3:19:35] counsel [3:19:36] that [3:19:37] be [3:19:37] directed [3:19:37] whenever [3:19:38] available [3:19:38] to [3:19:39] furnish [3:19:40] members [3:19:40] of this [3:19:41] impeachment [3:19:41] court [3:19:42] with [3:19:42] sworn [3:19:42] statement [3:19:43] testimony [3:19:43] or [3:19:44] affidavit [3:19:44] of [3:19:45] witnesses [3:19:46] or [3:19:46] witness [3:19:47] they [3:19:47] intend [3:19:47] to [3:19:47] present [3:19:48] in [3:19:48] the [3:19:48] proceedings [3:19:49] or [3:19:49] succeeding [3:19:50] proceedings [3:19:50] before [3:19:50] such [3:19:51] witness [3:19:51] is [3:19:52] called [3:19:52] to [3:19:52] testify [3:19:53] and [3:19:53] this [3:19:54] goes [3:19:54] to [3:19:54] the [3:19:54] defense [3:19:55] panel [3:19:56] too [3:19:56] while [3:19:57] the [3:19:57] judicial [3:19:58] affidavit [3:19:58] rule [3:19:58] does [3:19:59] not [3:19:59] strictly [3:19:59] apply [3:20:00] to [3:20:01] impeachment [3:20:02] proceedings [3:20:03] its [3:20:03] underlying [3:20:04] objectives [3:20:05] of [3:20:06] promoting [3:20:06] orderly [3:20:08] and [3:20:08] efficient [3:20:09] presentation [3:20:10] of [3:20:10] evidence [3:20:11] may be [3:20:11] instructive [3:20:12] advanced [3:20:13] access [3:20:13] to the [3:20:14] witnesses [3:20:14] sworn [3:20:14] statement [3:20:15] would [3:20:15] assist [3:20:16] the [3:20:17] senator [3:20:17] judges [3:20:18] in [3:20:19] following [3:20:19] the [3:20:19] testimony [3:20:20] and [3:20:21] preparing [3:20:22] clarificatory [3:20:23] questions [3:20:24] sa [3:20:25] madaling [3:20:25] sabi [3:20:26] po [3:20:26] hinihiling [3:20:28] lang [3:20:28] po [3:20:28] natin [3:20:29] na [3:20:29] kung [3:20:29] mayroon [3:20:30] nang [3:20:30] nakahandang [3:20:30] sinumpang [3:20:31] salaysay [3:20:32] ng [3:20:32] susunod [3:20:33] na [3:20:33] testigo [3:20:34] magbigay [3:20:35] na sana [3:20:36] ng mga [3:20:37] copy [3:20:37] nito [3:20:37] sa aming [3:20:38] mga [3:20:38] senator [3:20:38] judges [3:20:39] bago [3:20:40] pa po [3:20:40] ang [3:20:40] pagdining [3:20:41] upang [3:20:41] magsilbing [3:20:43] gabay [3:20:44] sa [3:20:44] pagtatanong [3:20:45] at [3:20:45] pagtatalakay [3:20:46] maiwasan [3:20:47] po [3:20:47] natin [3:20:48] ang mga [3:20:49] sitwasyon [3:20:49] na ito [3:20:50] thank you [3:20:50] Mr. [3:20:50] Presiding [3:20:51] Officer [3:20:51] To reply [3:20:53] Senator [3:20:53] Judge [3:20:54] Irwin [3:20:54] Tulfo [3:20:56] the [3:20:57] court [3:20:57] did not [3:20:57] adopt [3:20:58] the [3:20:58] judicial [3:20:59] affidavit [3:20:59] rule [3:20:59] for the [3:21:00] simple [3:21:00] reason [3:21:00] that [3:21:01] we [3:21:01] wanted [3:21:01] all [3:21:02] of [3:21:02] the [3:21:02] testimonies [3:21:03] to be [3:21:03] made [3:21:03] and given [3:21:04] in open [3:21:04] court [3:21:04] so that [3:21:05] it will [3:21:06] be heard [3:21:06] not only [3:21:07] by the [3:21:07] senator [3:21:07] judges [3:21:08] but also [3:21:08] by the [3:21:09] public [3:21:09] as a [3:21:10] whole [3:21:10] given [3:21:10] that [3:21:11] there is [3:21:11] an [3:21:11] impeachment [3:21:12] court [3:21:13] and an [3:21:14] impeachment [3:21:14] trial [3:21:14] that seeks [3:21:15] to unseat [3:21:15] a [3:21:16] duly [3:21:16] elected [3:21:17] official [3:21:17] however [3:21:18] the [3:21:19] court [3:21:19] shall [3:21:19] endeavor [3:21:20] through [3:21:20] the [3:21:20] clerk [3:21:20] of [3:21:20] court [3:21:22] senator [3:21:23] judges [3:21:23] a [3:21:24] copy [3:21:24] of [3:21:25] the [3:21:25] annexes [3:21:26] attached [3:21:27] if they [3:21:27] have not [3:21:28] yet done [3:21:28] so [3:21:29] to the [3:21:30] pretrial [3:21:32] order [3:21:32] and the [3:21:33] pretrial [3:21:33] briefs [3:21:34] pre-marked [3:21:34] by the [3:21:35] parties [3:21:35] because it [3:21:36] would encompass [3:21:37] already [3:21:37] approximately [3:21:38] 80% [3:21:40] of the [3:21:40] documents [3:21:41] that will [3:21:41] be presented [3:21:42] by both [3:21:43] parties [3:21:43] save of [3:21:44] course [3:21:44] for [3:21:45] documents [3:21:46] that they [3:21:47] have not [3:21:47] yet been [3:21:47] able to [3:21:48] produce [3:21:48] and are [3:21:48] yet [3:21:49] to [3:21:50] produce [3:21:51] but [3:21:51] the [3:21:52] clerk [3:21:52] of [3:21:52] court [3:21:52] is [3:21:52] instructed [3:21:53] to [3:21:54] endeavor [3:21:54] to [3:21:55] do [3:21:55] so [3:21:55] with [3:21:56] respect [3:21:56] to [3:21:56] the [3:21:56] senator [3:21:57] judges [3:21:57] so [3:21:58] that [3:21:58] they [3:21:58] can [3:21:58] catch [3:21:58] up [3:21:58] with [3:22:00] what [3:22:00] is [3:22:00] going [3:22:00] on [3:22:00] in [3:22:00] the [3:22:01] proceedings [3:22:01] yes [3:22:03] counsel [3:22:04] for the [3:22:05] prosecution [3:22:05] you may [3:22:05] proceed [3:22:06] thank you [3:22:06] so [3:22:07] much [3:22:07] apologies [3:22:08] senator [3:22:09] judge [3:22:09] reza [3:22:10] deveros [3:22:10] is [3:22:12] recognized [3:22:13] what is [3:22:14] your [3:22:14] pleasure [3:22:14] ma'am [3:22:15] salamat [3:22:15] po [3:22:15] mr [3:22:16] presiding [3:22:16] officer [3:22:17] just [3:22:18] a point [3:22:18] of [3:22:18] clarity [3:22:19] briefly [3:22:20] if i [3:22:20] may [3:22:20] mr [3:22:20] presiding [3:22:21] officer [3:22:21] salamat [3:22:22] po [3:22:22] mr [3:22:23] presiding [3:22:23] officer [3:22:23] and of [3:22:24] course [3:22:24] i will [3:22:25] submit [3:22:25] to [3:22:26] any [3:22:26] ruling [3:22:27] or [3:22:27] statement [3:22:30] of the [3:22:30] presiding [3:22:30] officer [3:22:31] to this [3:22:32] senator [3:22:32] judge [3:22:32] but for [3:22:33] clarity [3:22:33] mr [3:22:34] presiding [3:22:34] officer [3:22:35] my [3:22:36] question [3:22:36] po [3:22:36] had to [3:22:37] do [3:22:37] with [3:22:38] how [3:22:38] how [3:22:38] the [3:22:38] evidence [3:22:39] is [3:22:39] material [3:22:39] to [3:22:40] the [3:22:40] allegations [3:22:41] in [3:22:41] the [3:22:42] articles [3:22:42] of [3:22:42] impeachment [3:22:43] kasi [3:22:44] nga [3:22:44] po [3:22:44] hindi [3:22:45] naman [3:22:45] napapatunayan [3:22:46] na [3:22:46] the [3:22:47] vice [3:22:47] president [3:22:47] actually [3:22:48] sought [3:22:48] an [3:22:49] assassin [3:22:49] i wanted [3:22:50] to [3:22:50] appreciate [3:22:51] the [3:22:51] evidence [3:22:52] before [3:22:52] me [3:22:52] in [3:22:53] light [3:22:54] of [3:22:54] the [3:22:54] articles [3:22:54] of [3:22:55] impeachment [3:22:55] if [3:22:56] you [3:22:56] wish [3:22:56] to [3:22:56] strike [3:22:56] out [3:22:57] the [3:22:57] response [3:22:57] of [3:22:57] the [3:22:58] prosecutor [3:22:58] then [3:22:59] so [3:22:59] be [3:23:00] it [3:23:00] mr [3:23:00] presiding [3:23:01] officer [3:23:01] but [3:23:02] for [3:23:02] clarity [3:23:03] again [3:23:03] my [3:23:04] intention [3:23:04] was [3:23:05] not [3:23:05] to [3:23:05] provoke [3:23:06] a [3:23:06] closing [3:23:06] statement [3:23:07] we [3:23:08] will [3:23:09] review [3:23:09] the [3:23:09] transcript [3:23:09] again [3:23:10] sorry [3:23:11] we [3:23:11] have [3:23:11] some [3:23:12] my [3:23:12] apologies [3:23:13] on the [3:23:13] part [3:23:13] of [3:23:14] the [3:23:14] presiding [3:23:14] officer [3:23:14] we [3:23:14] have [3:23:15] a [3:23:15] bit [3:23:15] of [3:23:16] a [3:23:16] problem [3:23:16] with [3:23:16] respect [3:23:17] to [3:23:17] getting [3:23:17] an [3:23:17] updated [3:23:18] copy [3:23:20] of [3:23:20] the [3:23:20] TSN [3:23:21] but [3:23:21] given [3:23:22] the [3:23:22] clarification [3:23:22] of [3:23:23] Senator [3:23:23] Judge [3:23:24] Risa [3:23:24] on [3:23:26] the [3:23:26] matter [3:23:26] then [3:23:27] for [3:23:27] the [3:23:28] consideration [3:23:28] of [3:23:28] the [3:23:28] body [3:23:29] given [3:23:29] that [3:23:29] we [3:23:29] tabled [3:23:30] the [3:23:30] motion [3:23:30] of [3:23:30] Senator [3:23:31] Pia [3:23:31] that [3:23:34] for [3:23:34] the [3:23:34] prosecution [3:23:34] is [3:23:35] not [3:23:35] responsive [3:23:35] to [3:23:36] the [3:23:36] question [3:23:37] of [3:23:37] Senator [3:23:37] Judge [3:23:38] Ontiveros [3:23:39] because [3:23:40] clearly [3:23:40] the [3:23:41] question [3:23:41] he [3:23:41] answered [3:23:41] was [3:23:42] whether [3:23:42] or [3:23:42] not [3:23:42] it [3:23:43] constituted [3:23:44] an [3:23:44] impeachable [3:23:45] offense [3:23:45] but [3:23:46] without [3:23:46] further [3:23:46] debate [3:23:47] we [3:23:47] are [3:23:47] tabling [3:23:47] this [3:23:48] and [3:23:48] we'll [3:23:49] discuss [3:23:49] and [3:23:49] decide [3:23:50] upon [3:23:50] this [3:23:50] at [3:23:50] a [3:23:50] later [3:23:51] date [3:23:52] So [3:23:52] ordered [3:23:52] Thank [3:23:53] you so [3:23:54] much [3:23:54] May [3:23:54] proceed [3:23:54] your [3:23:55] order [3:23:55] please [3:23:55] Mr. [3:23:56] Wittes [3:23:57] Okay [3:23:58] Now [3:23:59] sinabi [3:24:00] mo [3:24:00] na [3:24:01] yung [3:24:01] former [3:24:01] Speaker [3:24:02] of [3:24:02] the [3:24:02] House [3:24:02] ay [3:24:03] nagbigay [3:24:03] ng [3:24:03] kanyang [3:24:04] tugon [3:24:04] sa [3:24:04] managing [3:24:05] pagbabanta [3:24:06] ng [3:24:06] Vice [3:24:06] President [3:24:07] saka [3:24:07] sinabi [3:24:07] mo [3:24:08] rin [3:24:08] na [3:24:09] may [3:24:09] isang [3:24:09] video [3:24:10] recording [3:24:11] na [3:24:11] inauthenticate [3:24:12] mo [3:24:12] So [3:24:12] yung [3:24:12] tanong [3:24:12] is [3:24:13] I'm [3:24:15] reminded [3:24:15] he [3:24:16] is [3:24:16] supposed [3:24:16] to [3:24:16] answer [3:24:17] the [3:24:18] specific [3:24:18] timestamp [3:24:19] of [3:24:20] that [3:24:21] recording [3:24:21] of [3:24:22] the [3:24:22] former [3:24:23] Speaker [3:24:23] of [3:24:23] the [3:24:23] House [3:24:24] speech [3:24:25] I [3:24:25] move [3:24:27] that [3:24:27] the [3:24:27] witness [3:24:28] be [3:24:28] allowed [3:24:28] to [3:24:29] answer [3:24:29] the [3:24:29] question [3:24:29] as to [3:24:30] ano [3:24:30] yung [3:24:30] naging [3:24:31] specific [3:24:31] timestamp [3:24:32] ng [3:24:33] recording [3:24:34] na yan [3:24:34] witness [3:24:35] may [3:24:35] answer [3:24:35] may [3:24:36] I [3:24:36] refer [3:24:36] to [3:24:36] my [3:24:37] investigator's [3:24:37] notes [3:24:37] you [3:24:38] may [3:24:38] do [3:24:38] so [3:24:38] if [3:24:38] so [3:24:38] wishes [3:24:39] thank [3:24:39] you [3:24:39] your [3:24:40] honor [3:24:40] time [3:24:53] stamp [3:24:53] one [3:24:54] minute [3:24:54] two [3:24:54] seconds [3:24:55] to [3:24:56] two [3:24:56] minutes [3:24:56] and [3:24:57] twenty [3:24:57] seconds [3:24:58] so [3:24:59] that [3:24:59] would [3:24:59] be [3:24:59] time [3:25:00] stamp [3:25:00] one [3:25:00] minute [3:25:01] two [3:25:01] seconds [3:25:02] to [3:25:02] two [3:25:03] minutes [3:25:03] twenty [3:25:05] seconds [3:25:06] sir [3:25:06] twenty [3:25:07] seconds [3:25:08] your [3:25:08] honor [3:25:09] please [3:25:09] I [3:25:10] move [3:25:10] that [3:25:11] the [3:25:11] portion [3:25:12] identified [3:25:12] by the [3:25:13] witness [3:25:13] from [3:25:13] time [3:25:14] stamps [3:25:14] one [3:25:15] minute [3:25:15] two [3:25:15] seconds [3:25:15] to [3:25:16] two [3:25:16] minutes [3:25:16] twenty [3:25:17] seconds [3:25:17] be [3:25:18] played [3:25:18] your [3:25:18] honor [3:25:18] please [3:25:19] clerk [3:25:22] of [3:25:22] court [3:25:22] is [3:25:22] directed [3:25:23] to [3:25:23] coordinate [3:25:23] counsel [3:25:24] for [3:25:24] the [3:25:24] prosecution [3:25:25] accompanied [3:25:25] by [3:25:26] counsel [3:25:26] for [3:25:26] the [3:25:26] respondent [3:25:27] to [3:25:27] make [3:25:27] sure [3:25:27] that [3:25:27] the [3:25:28] US [3:25:28] be [3:25:28] identified [3:25:28] by [3:25:29] the [3:25:29] witness [3:25:29] will [3:25:29] be [3:25:29] the [3:25:29] same [3:25:30] one [3:25:30] that [3:25:30] will [3:25:31] be [3:25:31] played [3:25:31] sorted [3:25:32] oh [3:25:32] the [3:25:33] the [3:25:33] the [3:25:34] Senate [3:25:35] President [3:25:35] sr [3:25:36] presiding [3:25:37] officer [3:25:37] i just [3:25:37] have a few [3:25:38] questions [3:25:38] while we're [3:25:39] waiting for [3:25:39] the [3:25:40] video [3:25:40] to play [3:25:40] this is [3:25:42] in line [3:25:42] with [3:25:42] authentication [3:25:43] the [3:25:43] gentleman may [3:25:44] proceed [3:25:44] yes [3:25:45] two [3:25:45] minutes [3:25:45] At sa ating kinong testigo, narinig ko kanina ilang beses yung open source investigation. Anong ibig sabihin ng open source investigation? [3:25:57] Ang ibig sabihin po noon is nag-gathered po ko ng iba't ibang information na available sa internet where anyone can access po yung data na yun. [3:26:07] And yung iba't ibang information na yun, how do you prove whether those information are valid, authentic, totoo? [3:26:23] In the age of fake news ngayon, ang dami ng mga information na lumalabas? [3:26:27] Yung pinagkuhanan ko, your honor, ng mga information na yun is from the official websites and official webpages po. [3:26:34] To ensure that the contents is accurate. [3:26:37] Okay. And then my next question, narinig ko rin kanina na may na manual comparison nyo yung mga videos between, let's say, Facebook and, let's say, yung video recording. [3:26:52] Can you describe to us anong ibig sabihin ng manual comparison? [3:26:55] Ibig sabihin po noon, your honor, meron akong dalawang monitor during that time and both videos were being played to ensure that the contents are identical po. [3:27:04] Meron bang, ano yan, nakaupo ka doon, tinitignan mo yung dalawa? [3:27:09] Yes po. [3:27:10] Wala ka bang, let's say, software na will say ito ay purely parehas itong dalawang video? [3:27:18] Kasi inamajin ko lang, upo ka doon, papanoodin mo yung dalawang video. [3:27:21] How do we know that one is to one yung video na kino-compare mo? [3:27:28] Based on, nakikita naman po siya and based on the audio, sir, na sabay po sila. [3:27:35] Ikaw lang yun ang tumitingin? [3:27:36] Yes po, and it was checked after po. [3:27:39] Sino nag-check? [3:27:40] Meron po akong nagre-review na executive officer and the chief po. [3:27:44] So kayong dalawang nagsasabi na itong Facebook video and also itong video recording talagang parehas na parehas. [3:27:54] The authentication itself na affidavit po, ako lang po. [3:27:57] Meron ba kayong ginagamit ng standards in terms of comparison? [3:28:06] Like for example, ito ay ginagamit ng international investigative body. [3:28:11] Ito ay isang standard na acceptable by international judicial process. [3:28:18] Meron ba kayong ginagamit na standard acceptable by the judiciary or any courts? [3:28:23] Yung procedure ko po na gawin is based lang po sa digital forensic procedure po. [3:28:30] Which is, ayun po yung ginagamit sa digital forensic as a whole. [3:28:35] Yung process po ng identification. [3:28:36] But in digital forensic procedure, ito ba? [3:28:39] An internationally accepted procedure or locally lang? [3:28:43] It's a procedure that is acceptable internationally in court po. [3:28:47] And then, meron ba ang international accreditation stamp yan or organization? [3:28:53] That approves it? [3:28:55] I have no personal knowledge, your honor. [3:28:59] But I have been following that procedure. [3:29:01] And accepted by the courts? [3:29:02] Yes, pa. [3:29:03] Alright. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. [3:29:05] Thank you, Mr. President. [3:29:08] Clerk of Court is directed through the technical staff to kindly play the video. [3:29:12] The Vice President of the Republic of the Philippines, Sara Duterte, admitted to contacting an assassin to kill President Ferdinand R. Marcos Jr., First Lady Luis Araneta Marcos, and myself. [3:29:32] Let me be clear. [3:29:35] Hindi na ito biro. [3:29:36] Hindi na ito normal na panalita. [3:29:40] Isa itong direktang banta sa ating demokrasya, sa ating pamalahan, at sa siguridad ng bayan. [3:29:46] Such statement is not just reckless, it is dangerous. [3:29:57] It sends a chilling message to our people. [3:30:00] A message that violence can be contemplated by those in positions of power. [3:30:07] This is not just an affront to the individuals targeted. [3:30:11] It is attack on the very foundation of our government. [3:30:15] It is an insult to every Filipino who believes in the rule of law and the sanctity of life. [3:30:21] Violence has no place in our society. [3:30:26] It is irreconcilable with the values that have taught and guided us for years. [3:30:32] Values... [3:30:32] Thank you so much. [3:30:37] That's the portion. [3:30:39] Your Honor, please. [3:30:40] May we proceed? [3:30:41] Absolutely. [3:30:42] Thank you so much. [3:30:43] Absolutely. [3:30:43] Thank you so much. [3:30:45] Mr. Witness, nasabi mo rin na yung AFP, Armed Forces of the Philippines, [3:30:51] nag-issue rin ng kanilang tugon sa mga naging pagbabanta ng Vice President. [3:30:56] Ano ba yung prueba mo sa naging tugon ng Armed Forces of the Philippines? [3:31:01] I have a screenshot of the website of the Armed Forces of the Philippines title statement on military professionalism and national unity by General Romeo Browner, sir. [3:31:15] Sinabi mo screenshot. [3:31:16] Now, sino yung kumuha ng screenshot na yan? [3:31:19] I did, sir, and I used my laptop. [3:31:21] Anong ginawa mo sa screenshot na yan kung meron man? [3:31:24] I first saved an electronic copy ng screenshot sa laptop and printed it. [3:31:28] Sana yung print out ng screenshot na yan? [3:31:30] Sinabi ko po yung copy sa Committee on Justice of House of Representatives. [3:31:35] Now, kung yung print out ng screenshot ipapakita sa'yo, ma-identify mo ba yan? [3:31:40] Yes, sir. [3:31:41] Now, we are now in the process of presenting to you a print out of a screenshot from the AFP website with the title, [3:31:49] Quotes, Statements on Military Professionalism and National Unity and Quotes, [3:31:54] that is previously marked as Exhibit P-Roman Numeral 4-16. [3:31:59] May you peruse the same? [3:32:05] And the question is, [3:32:05] What relation, if any, does that document have with the print out of the screenshot you mentioned? [3:32:11] This is a copy. [3:32:12] How faithful, if at all, is this print out from the actual screenshots? [3:32:19] The print out accurately reflects the screenshot, sir. [3:32:22] How do you know that the print out accurately reflects the screenshot? [3:32:26] I compared the print outs with the screenshot and the webpage of the AFP. [3:32:31] It found that the contents are identical, sir. [3:32:33] Now, sinabi mo rin, Mr. [3:32:34] Your Honor, for the record, we have the copy of the document. [3:32:40] How it can be he be identifying the document when he does not have that copy? [3:32:45] Are you following a script? [3:32:46] Oh, my goodness, Your Honor, please. [3:32:48] I move that that statement by the defense that the witness is following a script be stricken out of record. [3:32:54] For the record, Your Honor, the witness was perusing the document before he handed that to the defense. [3:33:01] I move that the statements of the defense be stricken out, Your Honor, please. [3:33:05] But he was answering the question. [3:33:06] Comments of both councils are simply noted kindly. [3:33:09] If you're done with the document council, kindly give it to the witness. [3:33:11] Your Honor, for the record, the right-hand portion of both documents contain certified true copies and a mere photocopy, Your Honor. [3:33:24] The manifestation and objection is duly noted. [3:33:27] Same ruling by this court. [3:33:28] Witness may answer. [3:33:29] You. [3:33:32] Stay for the record, Your Honor. [3:33:34] I have compared the screenshot with the print outs and the webpage and found that the contents are identical, sir. [3:33:40] Your Honor, may continue. [3:33:42] Mr. Witness, sinabi mo rin na yung PNP ay nag-issue rin ng kanilang statements sa mga naging pagbabanta ng vice-presidente sa subject video. [3:33:53] Ano buong pruweba mo kung meron man of that PNP statements? [3:33:58] I have the screenshot of the statement of the PNP on their Facebook official page dated November 23, 2024, sir. [3:34:07] Sino bang kumuha ng screenshot na yan? [3:34:09] I did, sir, and I used my laptop. [3:34:11] Anong ginawa mo sa screenshot na yan kung meron man? [3:34:15] Sinib ko po yung screenshot doon sa laptop ko and print it. [3:34:19] And then, print it mo. [3:34:21] Saan na yung print out ng screenshot na yan? [3:34:23] Sinabmit ko po sa Committee on Justice on House of Representatives. [3:34:27] Now, saan na yung print out ng screenshot na yan? [3:34:29] Sinabmit ko po sa Committee on Justice. [3:34:31] Now, kung yung copy ng print out ng screenshot ipapakita sa'yo, will you be able to identify the same? [3:34:37] Yes, sir. [3:34:38] Now, I'm showing you a print out of a screenshot ng Facebook post ng PNP dated November 23, 2024. [3:34:50] Title is PNP Statement that is previously marked as Exhibit P-Roman numeral 417. [3:35:00] What relation, if any? [3:35:01] Your Honor, may I ask that we be allowed to peruse before he asks his question to identify the document? [3:35:09] Council is directed to kindly give opposing counsel for the respondent a copy of the document being presented to the witness. [3:35:48] Your Honor, both documents appear to be photocopies, Your Honor. [3:35:56] Noted, and I presume the continuing objection and comment of the counsel for respondent will be placed on record as well. [3:36:03] Thank you, Your Honor. [3:36:04] Witness may answer. [3:36:10] It is a copy of the submitted document to the Committee on Justice, sir. [3:36:15] How faithfully, if at all, is this print out sa naging actual screenshot? [3:36:20] It accurately reflects the screenshot. [3:36:23] Tsaka, paano mo nasabi na that print out accurately reflects the screenshot? [3:36:28] I compared the screenshot with the print out and the webpage where this was posted and found that the contents are identical. [3:36:36] Okay, so let's go to the last agency, Mr. Witness. [3:36:39] Nasabi mo rin na yung National Security Council or NSC nag-issue ng statement sa naging mga pagbabata ng Vice President. [3:36:48] Ano mong pruweba mo kung meron ma sa naging tugod ng National Security Council or NSC? [3:36:55] I have the screenshot of the statement of National Security Council on the official webpage of the Presidential Communication Officer. [3:37:04] Sino yung kumuha ng screenshot? [3:37:06] I did, sir, and I used my laptop. [3:37:08] Okay, anong ginawa mo kung meron maan sa naging screenshot na yan? [3:37:13] Sinib ko muna electronic copy ng screenshot sa laptop ko. [3:37:16] Sana yung screenshot na yan kung alam mo? [3:37:20] Pid na rin ko, sir. [3:37:22] Now, kung yung kopya ng screenshot na yan ipapakita sa iyo, ma-identify mo ba? [3:37:28] Yes, sir. [3:37:29] Now, we are in the process of showing you a print out. [3:37:32] The defense may produce the document sa screenshot ng National Security Council statement. [3:37:38] Okay, previously marked is Exhibit P-Roman numeral 4-18. [3:37:55] Your Honor, the Exhibit P-4-18 is a photocopy. [3:38:02] Noted. [3:38:04] Okay, may I ask the question? [3:38:07] Kindly return the document to the witness so that witness may answer. [3:38:11] Mr. Witness, what relation, if any, does that document have with the print out of the screenshot you mentioned? [3:38:17] This is the copy that was submitted to Committee on Justice, sir. [3:38:21] How faithful, if at all, is that print out from the actual screenshot? [3:38:26] It accurately reflects the screenshot, sir. [3:38:28] And how do you know that that print out accurately reflects the screenshot? [3:38:34] I conferred the screenshot with the print outs and the web page and found that the contents are identical, sir. [3:38:40] Okay, done. [3:38:41] Now, Mr. Witness, let's proceed. [3:38:43] Sinabi mo rin na in the course you conducted yung open source investigation now. [3:38:51] What happened, if any, in the course of your investigation in relation to the statements of the Vice President [3:38:58] after you collated the videos, the screenshots of the several governmental agencies? [3:39:09] We then proceed to the issuance of subpoena, sir, to the following individuals who were present on November 23, 2024. [3:39:18] Bons Magsambol, Red Mendoza, Demcy Reyes, Ana Malindog Uy, Mikael Flores, and Jason Rubrico, sir. [3:39:34] Alright. Now, yung tanong, Mr. Witness, is, ba't kaya nag-issue, kung alam mo, no? [3:39:39] Ba't nag-issue yung NBI ng subpoena sa mga taong ito? [3:39:44] Nandun po kasi sila sa pressa during the November 23, 2024 online press conference, sir. [3:39:50] Alright. Now, ano ba yung nangyari kung meron man after yung NBI nag-issue ng, ano ba yan, [3:39:58] Sabinas ba yan or Sabinae sa mga taong ito? [3:40:04] Dumating po sa office namin si Demcy Reyes and Bons Magsambol.