Mehdi Hasan DEBATES Iran War, Qatar/China DARK Money & Racism In America — PBD #812

[0:10] Did you ever think you would make it real? [0:13] I feel I'm so excited. [0:14] Sweet bit furry. [0:16] I know this life meant for me. [0:18] Adam, what's your point? [0:20] The future looks bright. [0:22] My handshake is better than anything I ever signed. [0:25] It's right here. [0:25] You are a one-on-one? [0:27] My son's right there. [0:28] I don't think I've ever said this before. [0:31] We have a special guest in the house. [0:36] One of the biggest MAGA spokesperson out there in the world. [0:41] Hardcore, hardcore MAGA. [0:42] Now a capitalist. [0:43] He runs a very successful business now after leaving MSNBC. [0:47] He's crushing it. [0:49] But it's great to have you on the podcast today, Mehdi Hassan. [0:51] Thank you very much. [0:51] Thanks for having me. [0:52] Yes, of course. [0:53] Of course. [0:53] And, you know, obviously I've been watching you for many years. [0:55] And we reached out. [0:57] We said, let's invite him on board. [0:58] And then Rob said, Mehdi said yes. [1:00] I said, this is great. [1:01] It took a long time to get to yes, but I'm here. [1:03] Yes. [1:04] So what took such a long time? [1:06] I don't know. [1:06] What were you worried about? [1:07] Were you afraid of sitting with a capitalist? [1:09] Is it like this guy's going to be... [1:12] I don't know. [1:12] I've seen your show. [1:13] It's an entertaining show. [1:14] I know it's a very different format today. [1:16] I don't know. [1:17] I'm genuinely... [1:17] I'm intrigued as to what we're going to talk about today. [1:20] And I'm genuinely interested in learning your story. [1:22] Okay. [1:22] So tell me your story, your background. [1:25] My background is, if the accent didn't give it away, I'm a British-American. [1:29] I'm a dual national, British-American citizen. [1:31] Citizen of both great countries. [1:33] Born and raised in the UK. [1:34] My parents, immigrants from India. [1:36] Moved to the UK in the 60s. [1:38] What part of India? [1:38] South India, Hyderabad. [1:40] Okay. [1:40] Best biryani in the world. [1:42] Best beer? [1:43] Biryani. [1:43] Biryani. [1:44] That's the best beer. [1:45] I'm not going to be the guy who gives you beer recommendations. [1:47] Best biryani. [1:47] Okay, got it. [1:48] I went to Mumbai. [1:49] I went to Mumbai eight years ago and I spoke at IIT Institute. [1:54] Oh, yes. [1:54] Incredible experience. [1:55] Incredible place. [1:56] But Hyderabad has better food. [1:57] So I have to say that as a Hyderabad-y. [1:59] So my parents moved in the 60s and 70s to the UK. [2:02] I was born in 79. [2:04] I think we're similar in age. [2:06] And I moved to the US 12 years ago, come February. [2:10] So it's been over a decade I've been here. [2:12] Became a citizen in 2020, been a journalist all my life. [2:15] What do you prefer? [2:16] UK or, and I know, listen. [2:17] Oh, this is a controversial question. [2:18] Mother, friend, family. [2:19] I don't want to upset mom, so you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. [2:22] They both have their brilliance. [2:25] Yes, I go back to the UK all the time. [2:27] I'm heading out there next week. [2:28] I get to go for work and pleasure and I love going back to the UK. [2:31] But the US, I got to say, the US has given me opportunities and open doors that even the [2:37] UK I don't think could have done. [2:38] Really? [2:39] And I think you hear that from a lot of black and brown folks from the UK. [2:43] Because I'm someone who's criticized racism, obviously, in the UK and in the US. [2:48] But what's interesting is you talk to people in the media space, entertainment space. [2:52] You look at someone like Idris Elba. [2:53] You look at someone like my good friend, my old school friend, Riz Ahmed, Oscar-winning, [2:57] Emmy-winning actor. [2:58] They've all talked about how when they came to the US, they got more opportunities than [3:01] they got in the UK. [3:02] Why do you think that is? [3:03] Is it just capitalism? [3:04] Is it just business? [3:06] Is it incentives? [3:08] I think there's also, I mean, the country is a bigger country. [3:10] I think we can sometimes forget when we live here how big, how this is a continent of a [3:14] country. [3:14] Yep. [3:14] So just geographically, space-wise, there's more places to just do things. [3:18] The UK is very heavily concentrated around London, right? [3:21] The entire country. [3:22] And to the great constellation of people in Manchester, Birmingham, the entire economy [3:25] is centered around one city. [3:26] Politics is centered around Westminster and London. [3:29] And I think there's also, in England, we don't have the legacy of, you know, plantation slavery [3:34] and the black struggle for civil rights in the US. [3:37] But we do have a different kind of legacy of empire and that form of, you know, history [3:43] to overcome. [3:44] I don't know what the right word I'm looking for, like, staid, stodgy. [3:48] It's just a kind of an old way of doing things. [3:50] You hit a different kind of glass ceiling in the UK. [3:53] I'm not giving a pass to all kinds of racism and bigotry there still is in the US that we're [3:57] still fighting with. [3:58] But there is something about being a person of color and just having a little bit more [4:02] ambition in the US. [4:04] It's going to get me in huge trouble with people. [4:06] I'm screwed now when I go back to the UK next week, if this airs before. [4:10] Both of us are brown and winning in America, which is a good thing. [4:12] Yes, from different parts of the political divide, I think. [4:16] That's right. [4:16] By the way, in high school, if I was in high school with you, you're 15, 16. [4:20] Who's media, son? [4:21] What were you doing? [4:21] I was the same person I am now. [4:23] I was a debater. [4:24] I was an arguer. [4:25] I was the guy with the big mouth. [4:26] I was the guy getting thrown into the hallway. [4:28] I was the guy going to detention because I answered back. [4:30] I talked a lot. [4:31] Teachers, students, professors, didn't matter. [4:33] I found report cards recently that my children and I sat and went through. [4:36] It was really embarrassing. [4:37] My daughter sat with me. [4:38] We went through the report cards. [4:39] Every single one is, he doesn't stop talking. [4:41] He answers back. [4:42] He thinks he knows everything. [4:43] He won't stop asking questions. [4:45] Is that a family thing or is that a you thing? [4:46] It's a family thing for sure. [4:48] Okay, got it. [4:48] Yeah, I wrote about it in the book. [4:49] My father passed away last year. [4:51] Thank you. [4:52] He was a very disputatious individual. [4:55] Loved to debate, loved to argue, super provocative. [4:57] Even in the Muslim community, the story I tell, remember in the late 80s, you'll remember [5:01] this because you're of Iranian heritage. [5:03] Ayatollah Khomeini gives the fatwa against Salman Rushdie for the satanic verses. [5:06] Yes, of course. [5:06] Yes. [5:07] Muslims in the UK are furious, especially in the UK. [5:09] By the way, he helped him sell millions of copies by doing it. [5:12] Indeed. [5:12] Indeed. [5:13] So listen to this. [5:13] So in Bradford, big Muslim city in the UK, they even burned copies of the satanic verses. [5:20] Got it. [5:20] You know, huge issue. [5:21] We could talk about another time. [5:22] But anyways, huge issue in the UK. [5:24] My dad goes out and buys a copy of the satanic verses, reads- [5:28] As a Muslim? [5:29] As a Muslim. [5:29] And puts it on our dining room bookshelf right next to the table. [5:32] So every time our friends, family come over for dinner, it's there. [5:36] And people are saying to my dad, what the hell are you doing here? [5:38] Why do you have satanic verses on your bookshelf? [5:41] My dad said, have you read it? [5:45] He said, no. [5:46] He said, well, how do you know what to object to about it? [5:48] And I think that attitude of his, which was quite provocative at the time, and even until [5:52] his death, he was known as a provocative individual. [5:54] I think I borrowed a lot of that. [5:56] The ability to be able to ask questions, be offensive if need be, be provocative if need [6:00] be, don't give a shit what people think. [6:02] If you need to ask the right questions, you need to say what you want to say. [6:05] That very much comes from my father, from my household growing up. [6:08] My sister is also a journalist. [6:09] We very similar in that sense. [6:11] Was he a journalist or no? [6:12] No, he wasn't, but he was very political. [6:13] He was a very traditional, he was a civil engineer. [6:15] My mother's a doctor, they're very classic Asian, Desi, Indian couple. [6:19] But he was very political from the moment he moved to the UK, he loved British politics. [6:23] Till he passed away, he was asking me questions about Trump, what's he doing, is he going to [6:27] survive? [6:28] Like in 2024, all he did, all he asked me was like, why are they running Biden? [6:31] Why are they running Biden? [6:33] At what age? [6:34] This was at 80, he passed away last year at 87. [6:36] So this would have been at 86. [6:37] Good for him. [6:38] So he was super... [6:39] Was he sharp to the very end? [6:40] No, unfortunately. [6:41] He wasn't sharp at the end. [6:42] But even when he wasn't sharp at the end, he was still very political. [6:45] Just wanted to talk about politics. [6:46] Never had a desire to run and do anything? [6:49] No, no, just loved it. [6:51] There's a certain generation of Indian immigrant men who have a lot of opinions. [6:55] Well, the opinion part, I agree. [6:57] But he also read broadly, read widely. [6:59] He could quote Shakespeare. [7:00] Who influenced him? [7:01] What influenced his politics? [7:02] His uncle growing up, my dad grew up as an orphan. [7:04] His father died when he was two. [7:07] He was raised by his uncle mainly, who was a kind of polymath. [7:10] And I think he absorbed a lot of that. [7:12] So my father was someone who could quote Shakespeare, but he could also quote Allama Iqbal, the famous [7:16] Urdu poet. [7:17] Like he could switch between different cultures, different intellectual references. [7:20] So it put a lot of pressure on me and my sister. [7:22] But was he a devout liberal himself? [7:25] Would you consider him a... [7:27] Would he today be a progressive himself or no? [7:29] I think he very much would see himself as a liberal. [7:31] My parents are very different. [7:32] I think my mother is more conservative, more practicing. [7:34] My father was more intellectually engaged with the religion. [7:37] Like a literal conservative? [7:38] Like conservative conservative? [7:39] What's your definition? [7:40] Like she's pro-Trump? [7:42] No. [7:42] Okay. [7:43] No, she's sensible. [7:44] She's a sensible. [7:45] She's sensible. [7:45] I meant conservative, socially conservative. [7:47] You know, Islam, making sure that when we were kids, she was the one who made sure [7:50] we prayed and we fasted, we read Quran and all of that stuff. [7:53] My father was the person who made sure that we were asking questions about the world. [7:57] And yes, the culture very much. [7:58] The language, the culture, all of that stuff. [7:59] Got it. [7:59] So did they know you're going to get into journalism? [8:02] No. [8:03] How did that happen? [8:04] Like when was it that? [8:05] This is what I'm going to be doing. [8:05] So I went to university in the late 90s. [8:08] I went to Oxford. [8:08] I did politics, philosophy, economics, which is this degree that... [8:11] Math is... [8:11] Economics. [8:12] Yeah, I saw economics. [8:12] PPE. [8:13] Right. [8:13] It's a famous degree in the UK that politicians love to do. [8:16] Prime ministers love to. [8:17] David Cameron did PPE. [8:18] Like it's called the degree of prime ministers. [8:20] Like it's famous. [8:21] I did that degree and I didn't like economics. [8:24] I struggled with the philosophy and I enjoyed it. [8:26] I loved the politics. [8:27] I didn't know what to do. [8:28] Most of my friends left university and went into finance, investment, banking, management, [8:32] consulting. [8:33] I knew I didn't want to do that. [8:35] So that left me with a kind of, well, what do I do now? [8:37] And I kind of fell into journalism. [8:39] People ask me at events now, young people, like, what's your story? [8:41] How do I become a journalist? [8:42] I wish I had like a Marvel origin story. [8:44] I don't. [8:44] It's not like I dreamt of being a journalist. [8:46] It's just, I didn't know what else to do. [8:47] I have a big mouth. [8:48] I'll try this. [8:49] You would have been great in sales. [8:50] You would have been great in finance. [8:52] You would have done very well. [8:52] Not finance. [8:53] I can't deal with numbers. [8:53] Well, you're saying you did, well, PP, you're saying the guys that went into politics. [8:56] That's why the economics, because I enjoyed, I did enjoy the math part of economics. [8:59] But at that time, you have no aspirations for politics. [9:01] No, it came later. [9:02] I did. [9:02] There was a period where I was very aspirational. [9:04] I thought about running. [9:05] To run? [9:05] Yeah, to run as a member of parliament, be a politician. [9:08] And then I realized it's not for me. [9:09] When you cover it as a journalist, you're like, this world? [9:11] What do you mean it's not for you? [9:12] To run for office? [9:13] You? [9:15] Do you ever watch Mamdani? [9:16] You're like, dude, I could do that better. [9:18] Mamdani is, I know I could do what Mamdani is. [9:20] Because I'll tell you why. [9:21] Mamdani has an electric smile. [9:24] I know Zoran well. [9:25] I've met him a few times. [9:26] He actually spoke at our anniversary party recently, and I had to speak after him. [9:29] And I'm kind of arrogant. [9:30] I think of myself as a good speaker. [9:32] I got nervous that day. [9:33] I have to speak after Zoran Mamdani. [9:35] What the hell? [9:35] What am I doing here speaking after Mamdani? [9:36] Did you feel the energy that he had? [9:38] He was Muhammad Ali. [9:39] I'm looking straight there at Ali right there. [9:41] He is the Muhammad Ali of politics right now. [9:43] Just the energy in the room. [9:44] People going crazy. [9:45] His every move, hanging off his every word. [9:47] He's got that. [9:48] If he was American-born, he would be one of the top runners and riders for 2028 easily. [9:52] Super capable. [9:53] But here's the difference between me and Zoran Mamdani. [9:55] There are many differences. [9:55] The big one is he has this charming electric smile. [9:59] He's the guy who kisses babies at events. [10:02] He wins people over. [10:03] I have what's called RAMF. [10:05] I have resting angry Muslim face. [10:08] So when I'm talking to people, when I'm listening, I look mad. [10:11] People have told me this over the years. [10:12] Producers have told me in my ear. [10:13] You look angry. [10:14] Smile. [10:14] Smile. [10:15] Not in a misogynistic way. [10:16] He said to women, you should smile. [10:17] But people tell me, smile. [10:18] So for me, running for office, I look angry all the time. [10:21] You can't win like that. [10:22] You need the smiling. [10:22] You're brown. [10:23] You need to be smiling. [10:24] Kelly or Mickey or people, family that are taking pictures. [10:27] Patrick, can you smile, please? [10:29] I'm smiling. [10:30] You're not smiling. [10:31] So maybe it's a Middle Eastern thing. [10:33] I don't know. [10:33] But I think for brown and black people, sorry to come back to racism again. [10:36] I do think there's that extra pressure to show you're not an angry black man, angry brown man. [10:40] Obama was always seen as beloved because he was like, oh, you can imagine your daughter marrying him when he comes in the room. [10:45] There was always that kind of sensibility around Barack Obama. [10:47] So you think that's the part with Mamdani. [10:50] He's got a little bit of that Obama-esque thing going for him. [10:53] For sure. [10:54] I mean, look, he won over your guy. [10:55] Yeah. [10:56] You talking about Cuomo or you talking about Sliwa? [10:57] I'm talking about Donald Trump. [10:59] Oh. [10:59] He won him over. [11:00] He went to the white. [11:01] You swore him in the white. [11:02] Tell me you don't love the fact that you're saying my guy, that my guy said, just tell him how you feel. [11:07] Tell me you don't respect that. [11:08] That was an amazing one. [11:08] Tell me you don't respect that. [11:09] I respect Mamdani for pulling it off. [11:10] But do you respect that Trump's like, just tell him you don't like me. [11:13] I don't respect it. [11:13] I don't understand it. [11:14] You can't say that. [11:14] I swear to God, I don't understand it. [11:15] Dude, you know you respect the fact that. [11:17] I've studied Donald Trump, unfortunately, through no choice of my own for 12 years. [11:22] I moved here months before he came down that golden escalator. [11:25] You can say it. [11:25] You respected that. [11:25] I do not respect Donald Trump. [11:26] But I watched that clip, and I genuinely, I'm someone who, you could ask me about Trump, I could talk about Trump all day long. [11:32] I know everything about Trump. [11:33] That moment still is, he looks at Mamdani the way I've never seen him look at anyone. [11:37] I've never seen him look at Melania the way he looks at Zoran Mamdani, right? [11:40] In love, just in awe. [11:42] He goes on Sid Rosenberg's radio show. [11:44] You see that? [11:44] Sid Rosenberg, he's a jihadist. [11:46] Mr. President, he hates you. [11:47] Nah, he's a good guy. [11:48] He's at the State of the Union. [11:50] And that still doesn't get you to say you respect Trump. [11:51] I don't understand why. [11:52] But can you tell me why? [11:53] Yeah, I think he respects Trump, honestly. [11:55] Like game recognizes game. [11:57] No, it's, look, you're here. [11:59] I like your talent. [12:00] And I watch and I see what you're doing. [12:02] Listen, we may not agree on, you know, 50% of things. [12:04] But he's not like that with most other people. [12:05] But no, he is. [12:06] He respects talent. [12:08] And he's got it. [12:09] But fawning over people? [12:10] Trump doesn't fawn over people. [12:11] To bring the guy over. [12:13] He's done it with a few different people. [12:14] Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-un, Zoran Mamdani. [12:17] Those are my three. [12:17] What does that say about your Mamdani? [12:18] You've got to be careful with that. [12:19] That's why I don't understand. [12:20] You just put him in a bad place. [12:20] That's why I don't understand. [12:21] Be careful what you're doing. [12:22] That's why I don't understand. [12:24] Maybe a song compares Mamdani to Putin and Kim Jong-un. [12:28] Don't do that. [12:28] Out of context. [12:29] This is why no one likes right-wing media. [12:31] Out of context. [12:32] Just say you like the fact that they got along with him. [12:35] I do like the fact they got along. [12:36] I do as well. [12:36] Because Zoran Mamdani went, in his second time he went to New York. [12:39] He's so smart. [12:40] He knows how, you know, Trump is very easily won over. [12:42] He takes a front page of a newspaper, right? [12:44] He takes a fake newspaper front page. [12:46] Why has people not thought of this before? [12:47] With Trump saving New York, gives it to Trump. [12:50] And then he goes, can you free this Palestinian student who ICE just picked up? [12:53] By that afternoon, Trump has freed that student, right? [12:56] That is a mayor who knows how to get results and win over Trump without giving up his own self-respect. [13:00] Without, like, fawning over him like I think Wes Moore was in one clip where they used it against him. [13:05] Where he was very, very friendly. [13:05] Will you give any credit for the fact that by the afternoon, the most powerful man in the world gave him what he asked for? [13:11] No. [13:12] I'll tell you why. [13:13] Can I tell you why? [13:13] When is your birthday? [13:14] Let me tell you why. [13:14] Where's the July 10th, 79th? [13:16] You are this stubborn? [13:17] Wow, you've done your whole book. [13:19] I'll tell you why I don't respect it. [13:21] Because I'm glad Zoran Mamdani did it. [13:23] But what does it say about our leader, the President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief, the self-proclaimed leader of the free world? [13:29] That it's so easy to play this guy. [13:31] World leaders have been doing it for years. [13:33] This is the problem with him. [13:34] It's so easy to manipulate him. [13:36] He's so easy to be won over. [13:38] And I'm glad when my guy's doing it for a good cause. [13:40] But people do it for bad causes, too. [13:43] I'm sure we're going to talk about Israel. [13:44] Benjamin Netanyahu did it to get him into a war of Iran. [13:47] That's my problem. [13:48] You know when Trump first went to Saudi Arabia after he got elected in 2017, there was a story about how when he drove from the airport to the embassy or hotel, wherever he was staying, the Saudis, this is in 2017, remember his first trip as President was to Saudi Arabia. [14:00] The Saudis put up on billboards his tweets. [14:03] Can you imagine that? [14:04] How smart that is? [14:05] That Trump is driving along and he's seeing his own quotes. [14:08] Like, these people know how to play him. [14:10] They know how to suck up to him. [14:11] Kim Jong-un- [14:12] His good quotes or his bad quotes? [14:13] No, no, good. [14:14] They're not praising him, right? [14:15] All right. [14:15] Every foreign leader knows how you can suck up to Donald Trump. [14:18] You praise him. [14:19] And now, in the second term, you give him money. [14:21] You can now bribe the President of the United States. [14:23] So do you think there's an element? [14:26] You've never been in sales before, but you're a businessman now, right? [14:29] Yeah, I'm selling. [14:30] I have to unfortunately do that stuff. [14:32] Subscribe to Zetaya. [14:33] Join to Capitalist. [14:34] Subscribe to Zetaya. [14:35] I'm so happy. [14:35] All the cameras. [14:37] Z-E-T-E-O.com. [14:38] By the way, respectfully, respectfully, you leave mainstream. [14:42] You're at MSNBC. [14:43] I think you're the number one guy for them with the eyeballs you guys are getting. [14:45] I don't know what it was. [14:46] Young people online, for sure. [14:47] Yeah, for young people online, you're number one. [14:48] And then, I don't know what the story is, what happened there. [14:52] We've read a lot of different stories. [14:53] They were giving you another job. [14:55] You chose to leave. [14:56] You do independent. [14:57] And then independently, you have, what, $3.5 million on reoccurring revenue 12 months later. [15:04] 12 months later. [15:05] That's amazing to be able to do that. [15:06] And then today, being a business guy, so it's great to have another- [15:10] And I've never run anything in my life, so I was very worried. [15:12] So maybe that PPE degree you got in economics, a capitalist was inside of you, and we brought it out. [15:17] So that's great. [15:18] Okay. [15:18] Welcome to the Club of Capitalists. [15:19] It's great to have you with us. [15:20] I'm a socialist slash capitalist. [15:22] A multimillionaire socialist, which is great. [15:24] Nothing wrong with that? [15:25] Bernie's a millionaire. [15:26] Nothing wrong with that. [15:27] Nothing wrong with that. [15:28] But let's go to the part about you brought up Trump and Bibi. [15:34] So Axios brings out the story. [15:35] At this point, you've seen it. [15:36] So, Rob, if you want to go down so I can read the whole thing, you're effing crazy. [15:39] Trump fumes at Netanyahu in call on Lebanon. [15:43] Go a little bit lower, Rob, so I can read the whole thing. [15:46] So, President John Lashat, Israel, over Israel, escalation in Lebanon in an expletive Latin call on Monday. [15:52] Two U.S. officials and a third source briefed on the call. [15:54] Netanyahu told Axios why it matters early on Monday. [15:56] Iran threatened to abandon negotiations with the U.S. over Israel, saying actions in Lebanon. [16:00] On the call, Trump called Netanyahu crazy and accused him of ingratitude, according to two of the sources. [16:06] He also put the brakes on Israel's plan to strike Beirut. [16:09] Behind the scenes, one U.S. official told Bibi that Falun threw on his threat to bomb Lebanese capital. [16:16] Israel would further isolate Israel from around the world. [16:18] Two of the sources said Trump claimed he'd help keep Netanyahu out of jail. [16:23] He said, if it wasn't for me, you'd be in jail right there. [16:25] You're effing crazy. [16:26] You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. [16:28] I'm saving your ass. [16:29] Everybody hates you. [16:31] Everybody hates Israel because of this. [16:33] Do you think this call happened? [16:34] The call definitely happened. [16:35] But both sides are spinning it in their own ways, and they're spinning it with the classic people. [16:40] So just background on this. [16:41] This is an Axios piece. [16:42] The author of this piece is Barack Ravid, who is an award-winning journalist, won coverage, co-authored by Mark Caputo, former colleague of mine at NBC News. [16:50] But Barack Ravid is famous, or should I say now infamous in media circles, for being the guy who the White House always goes to, to leak stuff about conversations with Israel. [16:58] Is this the guy that leaked it that Bibi got upset, that Biden got upset? [17:02] Yes, same. [17:03] This is the same guy. [17:03] So he did both. [17:04] He's bipartisan. [17:04] I got it. [17:05] Whether you're Joe Biden. [17:06] Who's the fair guy? [17:06] Well, it's not about being fair. [17:08] The point is that whoever's in the White House, they know that this is the guy who does the stories about split between Israel and America. [17:15] So we've had about a dozen, two dozen of these stories over the last three years. [17:18] Is this a guy you trust? [17:19] Unfortunately, no, now. [17:20] It's not that I don't trust him. [17:21] I'm not saying he's making stuff up. [17:23] But I am saying he's clearly become a useful vessel for information from the White House that they want to get out. [17:29] They know, if you're Joe Biden or you're Donald Trump, you know that if you want to get out, that you're pissed at Netanyahu. [17:34] So Barak Ravid is the guy you go to. [17:36] Now, on the other side, you have Amit Segal, who is one of Israel's most famous journalists, very close to Benjamin Netanyahu. [17:41] Channel 12, I think, is his network. [17:43] This guy is now reporting today, the day we're talking, that actually the Israeli side is saying, no, no, Trump never swore at Netanyahu, never mentioned jail or prison. [17:51] And they disagreed about how to handle Hezbollah in Lebanon. [17:55] So the question then becomes, for those of us who were not in the room, who do you believe? [17:58] Hmm, serial liar Donald Trump or serial liar Benjamin Netanyahu? [18:03] Journalists who act as vessels for leaders on both sides? [18:06] It's very hard. [18:07] This is why people have a real issue with mainstream media right now. [18:09] Because what do you do in a situation like this where both sides are spinning furiously? [18:13] And I can believe either version. [18:14] I can believe that Trump told him, you're fucking crazy. [18:16] We wouldn't put that past Donald Trump. [18:17] I can also believe that they lied to make Trump sound stronger than he is. [18:20] And now he's telling the truth. [18:22] I don't know. [18:23] Okay. [18:23] So how do they typically get the credibility? [18:27] Because anybody can say this was said. [18:29] So can you go back to the article when it says two sources were there? [18:33] What is the, you're in this world. [18:35] Is there a system or a standard to be able to, because this is a big deal here. [18:38] Yeah, yeah. [18:38] It's a big deal. [18:39] I mean, look, all the traditional rules of political journalism went out the window when Donald Trump came along. [18:45] Right? [18:46] So, you know, my colleague Swin Subhsang reports on the White House for Zateo. [18:49] He has very good contacts. [18:50] And, you know, he tells me some of the crazy stories he gets from behind the scenes in terms of people trying to screw each other over. [18:55] Right? [18:55] In the Trump administration, there's a very unique dynamic. [18:59] And, you know, he's referred to it as a reservoir dogs dynamic. [19:02] It's been referred to where everyone's got a gun to each other's head at the same time. [19:05] Right? [19:06] So they're all trying to screw each other over. [19:07] So that's another issue is are two of the sources people who are allied with each other? [19:10] Are they from different wings of the White House? [19:12] You know, Pat, with this Iran war, there are different elements in this administration. [19:15] Some people want the war done, finished. [19:17] Some people want it to keep going. [19:18] So there's different pressures on Trump. [19:20] This is not a 100 percent, 80 percent story. [19:22] No. [19:23] So there's different people leaking for different agendas to try and end a war or escalate a war. [19:27] Give me how this makes Trump look good. [19:29] How does it make it look bad? [19:31] Who's winning with the story? [19:32] Who's not? [19:33] So Trump, you know the MAGA base better than me. [19:36] Many of them are your viewers. [19:37] Many people in the MAGA base. [19:38] Not as many as people suggest. [19:40] My good friend, Cenk Uge, I know you've had on the show. [19:42] He thinks there's a big split in MAGA. [19:44] I'm less of that view. [19:45] I look at the polls, 80 percent of MAGA still loves Trump, 70 percent love this war. [19:49] But there is a growing minority who don't like what's going on with the foreign wars, with [19:54] the betrayal of anti-war promises. [19:56] And a lot of them see Donald Trump as being, you know, I can't come up with a better phrase [20:01] than Netanyahu's bitch. [20:02] And this would help Donald Trump say, look, I'm telling Benjamin Netanyahu, fuck you. [20:08] You're fucking crazy. [20:09] I saved you from prison. [20:10] I'm the dominant partner in this relationship. [20:12] And by the way, this is not just a Trump issue. [20:14] Every American president who's dealt with Netanyahu has come out getting screwed over. [20:18] Joe Biden got completely screwed over. [20:19] He gave his entire presidency to save Netanyahu. [20:22] Look at him today. [20:22] Destroyed. [20:23] Bill Clinton in the 90s came out of a conversation with Netanyahu. [20:26] You know what he said to his team? [20:27] He said, who's the fucking superpower here? [20:29] He was so pissed that he got talked down to by Benjamin Netanyahu. [20:32] So American presidents have been dealing with Bibi for many years, and they've always tried [20:35] to assert their dominance, and many of them have failed to do so. [20:38] So I think for Donald Trump, it's good if people believe it. [20:40] The problem is, those of us who know that Axios is reporting on this, we're very, very skeptical. [20:43] So let me ask you this. [20:45] If you're Trump's advisor, which you're not, but let's just say if you were Trump's advisor, [20:49] and Trump hears you, and he says, screw this guy, that call did happen. [20:53] That's exactly what I told him. [20:54] What does he need to do publicly for even a guy like you to say, shit, this happened? [20:59] That's a great question, because Donald Trump's word means nothing to me. [21:02] I've been documenting his lies for many years. [21:04] No one's told more lies than Donald Trump in the public sphere. [21:06] So actions matter more than words. [21:08] Same issue with Biden. [21:09] His people would leak. [21:10] Biden's very upset with Netanyahu. [21:11] Okay, but what the fuck are you doing about it? [21:13] Many of us frustrated with the genocide would say. [21:16] Same question now. [21:17] What are you going to do about it? [21:17] Donald Trump has given Netanyahu everything he wanted. [21:20] If this conversation is true, he's saying, I saved you from prison, [21:23] in the sense that he demanded the Israeli president. [21:25] Did he? [21:25] Don't you think he did, though? [21:26] In many ways, he did, because every time this war continues, Netanyahu avoids trial. [21:30] Every time there's an escalation in the war, he doesn't have to go back to court. [21:32] That's right. [21:33] And Trump has publicly called on Herzog, the president, to pardon him, [21:36] which he hasn't done yet, but I'm sure he's feeling the pressure [21:38] from Trump publicly calling him out. [21:40] So he has helped Netanyahu. [21:42] But worse than that, you look at what's happening in Gaza. [21:44] He's given Netanyahu everything he wanted. [21:46] And this really bothers me, because in 2024, I spend a lot of time pointing out to people on my side, [21:50] leftists, Muslims, Arab Americans, people in Dearborn, Michigan, who welcome Trump. [21:56] And I said to them, you're going to get screwed over by this guy. [21:58] No, no, no, no. [21:59] He's more anti-war than Kamala and Joe. [22:01] This is what I was told by Arab Americans who voted for Trump. [22:04] He will be the anti-war president. [22:05] Stephen Miller said he won't send our boys to die. [22:08] Trump said, remember what he said? [22:09] He goes, Liz Cheney will go to war with Kamala and kill Muslims. [22:11] I won't. [22:12] They all believed that shit. [22:13] Then he bombed, what is it, six countries last year, seven countries last year. [22:16] Now he's in a war with Iran. [22:18] In Gaza, he had this ceasefire at the beginning that people were very happy about. [22:21] But since then, he's allowed Netanyahu to do whatever he wants. [22:24] And earlier this week, Netanyahu went on camera and he said, [22:27] we now control 60% of Gaza and I'm going to take 70% of Gaza. [22:31] Even Biden, Harris, Blinken, none of them said that would be possible. [22:35] Trump has basically given Netanyahu carte blanche to do whatever he wants in the Gaza Strip. [22:38] So when your answer to your question is, what does he have to do to prove he's holding... [22:41] A guy like you, because it's impossible to win a guy like you. [22:45] I will give credit. [22:46] I'll say it now. [22:46] If what? [22:47] If he manages to get Netanyahu out of Lebanon and out of Gaza, which he won't. [22:52] But that's what I would want to see, because that's what's happened on his watch. [22:55] On his watch, Netanyahu's taken more territory in both those places. [22:58] Prove to me that you actually care about Middle East peace. [23:01] Prove to me that you have control over Netanyahu and American weapons and get him to pull out. [23:04] Because right now, greater Israel's happening in front of our eyes. [23:07] Netanyahu's doing the project that far-right Israelis have always wanted. [23:09] He's taking Lebanon, southern Lebanon. [23:11] You're saying Egypt, Turkey, all this stuff. [23:12] Who knows what's coming next? [23:13] That's what you're thinking? [23:14] Well, if you embolden the guy, what is the lesson of the last three years? [23:17] There's impunity. [23:18] You can do whatever the F you want, and America will never stop you. [23:21] Okay, do me a favor. [23:22] Differentiate between what Bibi's vision is and what Israel's vision is. [23:26] What do you mean by that? [23:27] Okay, so for instance, you could have a, you know, there's a difference between what America's vision is. [23:32] Yes. [23:32] Be the greatest country in the world versus what AOC's vision would be if she became president versus Trump, right? [23:38] So what do you think is Bibi's vision versus Israel's vision? [23:41] That's a great question, and I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. [23:44] We do this thing in the U.S., especially on the liberal side, where we say, look, we're against a Netanyahu government. [23:49] We're not against Israel or the Israeli people. [23:51] The problem is the Israeli people have made it very clear over the last three years that they're totally behind all these wars. [23:56] There's been no real anti-war movement. [23:58] In Israel, there's no real... [23:58] There's a little bit. [23:59] It's not a big number. [24:00] It's tiny. [24:01] It's tiny. [24:01] You look at the polling, 80% of Israelis support... [24:03] 20% is what I was going to say, yeah. [24:04] ...every military operation blindly. [24:06] You look at the polling, some of it's horrific. [24:08] Like 80% of Israelis support removing Palestinians from Israel, sorry, from Gaza, and another small majority support ethnically cleansing them from Israel itself, Palestinian citizens of Israel. [24:18] Israeli society... [24:19] What percentage was this one? [24:20] So I think it's 80% say they're fine with getting them out of Gaza. [24:23] Okay. [24:24] Forcibly... [24:24] And there's another majority or big plurality of Israelis who are Israeli Jews who say even Palestinians in Israel should ultimately emigrate. [24:32] West Bank and some of that. [24:33] No. [24:33] Israel proper within the green line. [24:35] Got it. [24:35] One-fifth of the population of Israel is Palestinian citizens of Israel. [24:38] So the polling is horrific. [24:39] There was a poll done last year by Penn State, I think it was, where almost half of Israelis said that when we capture a town in Gaza, we should treat it like the Bible and Jericho. [24:48] We should kill all the inhabitants, all the men. [24:51] Like this kind of crazy. [24:52] So, okay, all these polls, you take them with a pinch of salt. [24:54] I get it. [24:54] But anyone you speak to in Israel who's a serious commentator on Israeli politics will tell you that over the last 5, 10 years, Israeli society has moved to the right, to the far right. [25:02] In a way that American society has not. [25:03] Donald Trump is polling in the 30s right now. [25:06] Even at his peak, he got 49.8% of the vote in the last election. [25:09] He's never had a majority. [25:10] In Israel, the right-wing parties, the far-right parties are dominant right now. [25:14] Maybe in the 90s, early 90s, there was a peace camp. [25:16] There was Oslo, all this stuff. [25:18] That's gone now. [25:19] You could argue about why it's gone. [25:20] How is that? [25:20] How is that possible? [25:21] How is it that in Israel, the guy is being that aggressive and his support is getting higher? [25:28] I don't think his personal support is getting higher. [25:30] We'll see what happens in these elections. [25:31] You just said 80%. [25:33] The war. [25:33] The war, right? [25:34] This is what I'm saying. [25:34] This is what I'm saying. [25:35] Don't focus on Netanyahu. [25:36] It's a very good copper. [25:37] Even Bernie Sanders, who I'm a big fan of, he often says, Netanyahu, Netanyahu, Netanyahu. [25:41] A lot of Palestinians say, Bernie, it's not Netanyahu. [25:44] It's Israel. [25:44] It's the Israeli political establishment. [25:45] So if you swap out, I'll give you one example. [25:47] If you swap out Netanyahu tomorrow with Naftali Bennett, who's an opposition leader, former prime minister. [25:52] I interviewed him once. [25:53] Naftali Bennett is also on the right, also likes war, has threatened Turkey, has threatened Lebanon. [25:58] You've got another opposition leader, Avedor Lieberman, former defense minister. [26:01] You know what he said this week? [26:01] He said, flatten the suburbs of Beirut. [26:04] We should be going in and not listen. [26:05] Don't listen to Trump. [26:06] So the opposition in Israel are equally hawkish, right-wing. [26:10] So this idea that it's all about Netanyahu, it's a myth, I'm sorry to say. [26:13] Okay, so you're saying the two are the same, is what you're saying. [26:16] On issues of war and peace, yes. [26:18] I'm sure in some domestic politics tax rates, I'm sure there's... [26:20] Smaller stuff is going to be the best story. [26:21] Yeah, domestically within Israel, I'm sure they are. [26:23] When it comes down to the region, Israel's role in the region. [26:25] Tell me what the vision is. [26:26] If you think, what do you think their vision is? [26:29] What do you think Israel's vision is? [26:30] So there's a best-case scenario and there's a worst-case scenario. [26:32] Okay. [26:33] The best-case scenario is that they have this idea of [26:36] we must be in a state of permanent war footing, right? [26:40] I think there's a phrase for it. [26:41] I forget the name, combat between the conflicts. [26:43] There's a military doctrine that says even when we're not at war, [26:45] we carry on doing preemptive strikes, we carry on doing cyber warfare, [26:48] we carry on doing assassinations, so that Israel remains the regional hegemon. [26:51] We keep our superiority, our military edge. [26:53] We let everyone know in the region who's boss, [26:55] even when we're not in a formal state of war. [26:57] That's the best-case scenario, that this is just a security doctrine [26:59] that says we will bomb and invade whoever we like [27:02] just to remain top dog in the region. [27:04] That's best-case scenario. [27:05] Worst-case scenario is it's ideological, [27:08] that these are fanatical, messianic people [27:10] who believe that all of the territory is theirs, [27:12] given to them by the Bible. [27:13] I interviewed Naftali Bennett in 2017, [27:16] nearly a decade ago for Al Jazeera. [27:18] He was an education minister at the time. [27:19] I never forget this interview. [27:21] I said to him, we were talking about peace treaties [27:23] and two-state solution, and he said, [27:24] the Bible says it's ours. [27:26] I'd never heard someone say it that bluntly to my face. [27:28] I can't imagine Ilhan Omar going on TV and saying, [27:30] the Quran says this, right? [27:32] This guy's openly saying, the Bible says the land is ours. [27:35] Where do you go with that? [27:36] There's no debate after that, right? [27:37] That's just a kind of religious, ethnic nationalist, [27:40] messianic vision. [27:41] So Benjamin Netanyahu, even though he's not a religious man, [27:43] has signed off on a greater Israel. [27:45] He was asked about whether he believes in it. [27:46] He said, absolutely. [27:47] The opposition leader, Yair Lapid, [27:49] who's a kind of centrist, supposedly a liberal, [27:51] he was asked after the Mike Huckabee, Tucker Carlson interview. [27:54] He said, do you agree with Mike Huckabee? [27:56] That all of the territories from the Bible, it's all yours? [27:58] He said, yeah, our borders are biblical. [28:00] That's what the opposition leader said. [28:02] Forget the right-wingers Smotrich and Ben Gavir. [28:04] Who do you think is likely that their vision becomes a reality? [28:07] Right now, more likely than not, [28:08] because the United States of America [28:10] has allowed Israel to get away with a genocide. [28:12] Well, how long? [28:12] I mean, long-term, the... [28:14] Yeah, long-term, no. [28:15] Long-term, it's perpetual war for perpetual peace. [28:17] And by the way, deep down inside, [28:19] do you really think Trump wants his war to continue? [28:22] No. [28:22] Trump doesn't like long war. [28:23] No. [28:23] He likes short wars. [28:24] That's why he's been humiliated by Iran, [28:25] because he thought this would be over in a few days. [28:26] By the way, nobody thought Iran was going to be able to... [28:28] Like, not nobody. [28:30] A lot of people on this camp, [28:31] when they sat there and talked about it, [28:33] it is a very fair argument to say that... [28:36] No. [28:37] Let me make my point on what I'm saying. [28:38] It is a very fair argument to say [28:40] that unlike Venezuela, [28:42] Yeah. [28:43] which we went in, we got Maduro, and we're out, [28:45] most likely Cuba's going to be the same way as Venezuela, [28:48] probably even easier when they go through and get it. [28:50] Sure. [28:50] Iran showed up strength to the world. [28:54] Yeah. [28:54] And you've got to give them credit, [28:55] no matter what anybody says, [28:57] conservative or on the left. [28:58] You can give them credit militarily, [28:59] obviously not politically, [29:00] but Trump, [29:02] I don't think we can defend him with nobody knew this, [29:03] but he did this line recently. [29:05] Nobody knew they were going to hit the Gulf states. [29:06] We all knew they were going to hit the Gulf states. [29:08] They've been saying this for years. [29:08] That Iran was going to hit the Gulf states. [29:09] That Iran was going to hit the Gulf states. [29:10] That's been their doctrine for years. [29:12] Do you think that unified the Gulf states even more? [29:14] No. [29:15] I think we've wrecked our long-term relationship with the Gulf states. [29:17] Tell me why. [29:17] I think in private all of these Gulf states will, [29:20] in public they'll say what they've got to say, [29:21] but in private they know the U.S. security umbrella [29:23] does not extend to them anymore. [29:23] So do you... [29:24] They know that even if they give Donald Trump [29:25] a $400 million plane, [29:27] even if they put half a billion dollar in his crypto business, [29:29] Israel will always take precedence over them. [29:31] Do you think, [29:32] do you think the Gulf states prefer Iran to be led by IRGC? [29:37] Or you know the story we saw recently with Pezheshkian, [29:39] who's a moderate, [29:40] stepping down because he's like everything's being run by. [29:42] Who do you think the Gulf states would rather have? [29:44] I think the Gulf states are not a monolith festival, Patrick, [29:46] because the UAE is very different to Qatar and Kuwait, right? [29:49] Sure, but they're neighbors. [29:50] They're neighbors, but they have different foreign policy. [29:51] I understand. [29:52] The UAE is an outlier. [29:53] The UAE is very hawkish, very pro-Israel, [29:55] very pro-America, very anti-Iran, [29:58] which is kind of crazy because, you know, [30:00] if the U.S. and Israel move on with their lives, [30:01] the UAE is exposed to Iran for the rest of their lives. [30:04] Isn't UAE succeeding the most out of most of the Gulf states? [30:07] Are they? [30:08] Financially? [30:08] Are they? [30:09] So many businesses have cleared out. [30:11] Tourism has fallen. [30:12] I mean, it's a huge industry based on tourism. [30:13] For the time. [30:14] For the time. [30:14] Do you think people are going to go back? [30:16] I think my thing is- [30:17] I think so. [30:17] I think that their image has been permanently destroyed. [30:20] I don't think you could put it back in the bottle. [30:21] They had this image, especially to kind of white Westerners, [30:24] as this business, tourist, even residential utopia. [30:27] You go there, there's no crime, you chill out, [30:29] everything's cheaper, et cetera, et cetera. [30:31] I think that's gone now. [30:32] Once Iran has done this, I think they've destroyed that image. [30:35] Now, if you're Amazon or you're whatever it is, Chase Bank, [30:38] you're going to go back into Dubai, Abu Dhabi, [30:41] knowing that Iran can then do this again at any time they want. [30:43] And as long as Iran is still run by the same government, [30:46] I don't think these Gulf states get that image back. [30:48] And I think the Qataris understand that. [30:49] Even the Saudis understand that. [30:51] They want a region, I think privately, and I may be wrong, [30:54] and the few people in the Gulf I speak to say this to me, [30:56] they recognize that Israel is the real problem in the region. [30:59] They may not say so publicly. [31:01] Some of them have signed up to the Abraham Accords, [31:02] like Bahrain, et cetera, UAE. [31:06] But I think they understand that Israel is the destabilizing force in the region. [31:09] It's Israel that bombed six countries in the Middle East last year. [31:11] It wasn't Iran that did that. [31:13] It's Israel that went to war now and brought the United States into this conflict [31:15] and led to Iran bombing Kuwait and Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the UAE. [31:19] And I think that is the situation we're in. [31:21] I think you're going to see these Gulf states, if they're smart, [31:23] making overtures to the Chinese and to the Russians in future years. [31:25] They have to kind of diversify who they rely on. [31:28] You know, maybe it's me being a Syrian, maybe it's me being an Armenian, [31:33] maybe the fact that I lived in Iran could be the reason for this, [31:36] but nobody, you know, sells Israel as this incredibly powerful organization [31:44] and brains than those who hate Israel. [31:47] All they talk about is how powerful Israel is. [31:51] I don't think there's anybody that's the Don Kink promoting how smart, [31:56] intellectual, brilliant Israel is than those who cannot stand Israel. [32:00] I'm not one of those. [32:01] But if, okay, so if you... [32:03] I mean, let me just go through the list. [32:05] I'm not somebody who said Iran would roll over. [32:07] I said Iran would make Iraq look like a walk in the park. [32:08] Not that, but I'm talking about like how... [32:09] I warned that Iran and America would not be able to destroy Iran [32:12] in the way they thought they could destroy Iran. [32:13] It was insane. [32:14] It was hubris to think they could do that. [32:16] I've been saying that for 15 years. [32:18] I've been saying it since Iraq, 2003, [32:19] when I was a 23-year-old marching against that war. [32:21] When Bush was thinking about Iran, I was saying... [32:24] Are you afraid of Israel? [32:25] Am I afraid of... [32:26] Are you afraid of Israel? [32:26] What do you mean? [32:27] Are you afraid of Israel's aspirations? [32:30] Oh, yeah. [32:30] The aspirations are different, right? [32:31] Can they pull it off? [32:32] I agreed with you that just because they have this messianic vision [32:35] doesn't mean they're going to win. [32:36] Yeah. [32:37] I agree with that. [32:38] To me, it's like, okay. [32:39] They didn't win in Gaza. [32:40] Patrick, I said in 2023, this whole plan, [32:43] when people were like yourself and others were saying, [32:45] Israel has a right to self-defense, [32:46] destroy Hamas, you can't. [32:47] There is no military solution to your problem. [32:49] Yeah, so you know what it is for me. [32:52] Oh, don't talk to Mehdi because Mehdi is going to do this. [32:54] No, I want to talk to Mehdi. [32:56] No, I'm telling you, be careful. [32:57] No, I want to talk to Mehdi. [32:58] Oh, don't talk to Bibi because I'm... [33:00] No, I want to talk to him. [33:01] I wish you had an hour and a half to talk. [33:03] No, don't talk to Nick. [33:04] No, don't talk to this guy. [33:05] I want to talk to him. [33:06] I don't sit there and see that, my God, everything. [33:10] They're so powerful. [33:11] They're going to control America. [33:12] They do this. [33:13] They do that. [33:14] I mean, you're kind of giving them too much credit. [33:16] I mean, you're mixing different things together, though. [33:18] One thing is, militarily, can they win on battlefields? [33:21] No, not always. [33:23] Hezbollah defeated them in 2000, famously. [33:25] That was the first time they were defeated by an Arab force on a battlefield [33:27] when they withdrew from southern Lebanon. [33:29] They're back now. [33:29] We were told Hezbollah was done. [33:31] Do you remember a couple years ago? [33:31] Oh, the pages and the assassination of Asrallah. [33:34] They're done. [33:34] It was a paper tiger. [33:35] They just killed 30 Israeli soldiers in the last few weeks, right? [33:38] They've injured hundreds more. [33:38] Who knows what the real numbers are? [33:40] So clearly, they're not done for. [33:41] Hamas is still around. [33:42] And the Iranians still have, what, 70% of their missile stock, [33:45] according to U.S. intelligence. [33:46] So the idea that these were all paper tigers was bullshit. [33:48] That's a different argument. [33:50] I'm not a military expert. [33:50] I'm not going to sit here and adjudicate, you know, [33:52] who has the strength in the field. [33:54] Politically, though, in this country, does Israel still have power? [33:56] Sure. [33:57] They still have politicians who support them. [33:58] They still have lobby groups to advocate on their behalf. [34:01] So does China. [34:01] No, not on the level of Israel. [34:03] Come on. [34:03] Oh, okay, let me ask you a question. [34:05] Let me ask you a question. [34:06] If you had $5 billion to win over influence in people in America, [34:13] politically, and inject your way of thinking, [34:16] would you put that money to buy over congressmen and senators, [34:20] or would you put that money into winning over kids? [34:23] Where would you put your money? [34:25] No, no. [34:25] Either or. [34:26] Okay, then do diversify. [34:27] Diversify. [34:28] Seriously, use it as a mutual fund. [34:30] You got $5 billion. [34:31] How much you put in one? [34:32] How much you put in the other one? [34:33] Honestly. [34:33] I don't know. [34:35] I haven't thought about it. [34:35] But I want you to think about it. [34:36] Yeah, 50-50. [34:37] I think they're both important. [34:37] You think it's 50-50. [34:38] You're talking about, when you say young people, [34:39] you mean like TikTok? [34:40] Universities. [34:40] I'm talking about universities, TikTok, social, [34:43] you know, give money to universities, [34:44] give money to places to get the kids' influence. [34:47] Where would you put the money in? [34:48] But let me take your example, take it a step further. [34:51] Okay, let's say I put it all in students. [34:52] I win over young people. [34:53] That's already happened. [34:54] Have you seen the polling? [34:54] The young people hate Israel. [34:56] I know. [34:56] But does it translate into policy? [34:59] No, because the Congress still controls the purse strings. [35:01] So I'll give you one example. [35:03] 8% of Democrats support Israel's war in Gaza. [35:06] 8%, according to a poll last year. [35:08] In Congress, it's the other way around. [35:10] It's like 80% of Democrats support Israel. [35:12] Only 8% or 10% are voting against weapons or genocide. [35:15] I'm ballpark figures here. [35:16] So what's the disconnect? [35:17] The disconnect is we have a Congress [35:18] that doesn't represent the public. [35:20] On either side of the divide, [35:21] I don't think the Republican Party [35:22] fully represents its base, but more so, [35:24] Democratic Party certainly doesn't represent its base [35:26] on Israel, the leadership. [35:27] Look at these primaries. [35:28] We're sitting on a day where there's going [35:29] to be a bunch of primaries. [35:30] So my big point here is, [35:32] yes, it's great that young people have been won over. [35:34] It's great that everyone under the age of 50 [35:36] in the United States of America, [35:37] whether Republican or Democrat, [35:38] does not want more weapons going to Israel. [35:40] That's the latest polling. [35:40] Under the age of 50, everyone. [35:42] That makes sense to me. [35:43] Right? [35:43] But Congress does. [35:45] So the disconnect, [35:46] this is why we have such a crisis of democracy. [35:47] This is why Israel matters so much [35:48] in our political system. [35:49] It's not just a foreign policy issue. [35:51] It's an issue of our democracy [35:52] where we have members of Congress [35:53] and a president who does not follow American will, [35:56] does not follow the will of the voters. [35:57] And so to answer your question, [35:59] yeah, you do need to spend money lobbying Congress [36:01] because ultimately they're the ones voting on weapons. [36:03] They're the ones voting on aid. [36:04] They're the ones voting to censor our speech, [36:06] saying anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. [36:08] All of that stuff is coming out of Congress. [36:10] And people say, oh, Qatar and this. [36:11] I just gave you an example. [36:13] The Qataris gave him a $400 million plane. [36:15] The Emiratis gave him a half a billion dollars [36:17] for his crypto fund. [36:18] The Saudis have sponsored multiple [36:20] multi-million dollar golf tournaments [36:21] at his properties, hotel. [36:23] Did it come in useful? [36:24] When it came down to it, [36:25] he picked Israel. [36:26] He picked Miriam Adelson. [36:27] He picked Benjamin Netanyahu. [36:28] He picked AIPAC. [36:29] He picked Marco Rubio. [36:31] I don't know about that. [36:32] He picked all these people. [36:33] What do you mean? [36:33] We've seen it with our eyes. [36:34] I don't know about that. [36:35] Listen, let me ask you this. [36:36] Do you think, [36:37] and by the way, [36:37] you didn't answer my question. [36:38] So I want to stay on the money part [36:40] and then I'm going to go to the next question. [36:41] I did answer. [36:41] I said, I could spend it all on the kids. [36:42] It doesn't matter. [36:44] Ultimately, Congress is still more important. [36:45] So you would put all the money in Congress? [36:47] No, both. [36:48] I said split. [36:48] You would do 50-50? [36:49] 50-50. [36:50] Win over the people [36:51] and then win over the people [36:51] who represent people. [36:52] So where does Qatar put their money? [36:54] They put $6.5 billion in universities. [36:56] Where does China put their money? [36:58] $5.5 billion in universities. [37:00] What type of influence [37:01] do you think they got long-term? [37:03] You think long-term? [37:04] Like you think China thinks short-term? [37:06] You think Qatar thinks short-term? [37:08] You think they're trying to buy influence [37:09] long-term when they get in front of the kids? [37:11] Do you have evidence? [37:13] It's a serious question. [37:14] The dollar? [37:14] No, I'm talking about [37:15] do you have evidence that, [37:17] first of all, [37:17] what Chinese investment has gone into university? [37:19] Do you want to pull it up, Rob? [37:20] I mean, you know the numbers. [37:21] I know that Qataris are sponsored. [37:22] I've been to Georgetown, Qatar. [37:24] They've spent a lot of money [37:24] on U.S. universities. [37:25] It's great. [37:26] I'm asking about [37:27] what's China's sponsored universities? [37:29] Oh, China's given donations to... [37:31] The Chinese government [37:32] sponsors American universities. [37:33] I did not notice. [37:34] Let me pull up these numbers. [37:34] I'm happy to show my ignorance here. [37:36] By the way, [37:36] I don't know where the money is coming from, [37:38] but I'll show you here. [37:39] China has invested an estimated 5.6. [37:42] I was short by a billion. [37:43] Okay. [37:44] 6.4 billion American universities [37:46] over the recent decade [37:47] making it one of the largest [37:48] foreign countries. [37:49] So why are they doing it? [37:50] No, no, no. [37:50] Hold on. [37:50] You didn't read the third sentence. [37:52] Which is what? [37:52] These funds are... [37:53] You think research partnerships [37:55] with the Chinese [37:55] is making kids on campus pro-China? [37:58] No, no, no. [37:59] No, no, no. [37:59] It's not what I'm saying. [38:00] Okay. [38:00] Mehdi, you're very smart. [38:02] So you went to Oxford. [38:03] You got the PPE degree. [38:05] It's like, [38:05] not the PPP loan. [38:07] You got the legit PPE degree, right? [38:09] Do you not think [38:10] if these schools [38:11] are getting this type of money, [38:13] which phone call [38:14] you think they're picking up? [38:15] Oh, we know, Patrick, [38:17] because we just saw [38:18] what happened the last three years. [38:19] Did Colombia go pro-Israel [38:20] or pro-Qatar? [38:21] But what did Colombia do? [38:22] They went pro-Israel. [38:23] They silenced [38:24] all the pro-Palestinian... [38:25] But what did they do? [38:26] But what did they do? [38:27] They rolled over for Donald Trump [38:28] and they rolled over [38:29] for the Israel lobby. [38:29] What was the event that happened [38:31] that got them to get there? [38:32] I don't know which event. [38:33] Why did they do that? [38:35] I don't know. [38:35] I don't know where you're going. [38:36] No, no. [38:37] You follow the stories. [38:38] You tell them, [38:38] who was it? [38:39] It was three universities, right? [38:40] Colombia was one of them. [38:42] And there was a bunch of universities [38:43] a crackdown on pro-Palestine dissentism. [38:45] Why did they do that? [38:45] Multiple reasons. [38:46] Pressure from politicians [38:47] who are pro-Israel. [38:49] You think maybe they screwed up as well? [38:49] Pressure from donors [38:50] who are pro-Israel. [38:51] Pressure from activist groups. [38:53] This whole ridiculous debate [38:55] where we conflate criticism of Israel [38:56] with anti-Semitism. [38:57] I remember when I launched... [38:58] I'm not with that. [38:59] Just so you know, [38:59] like in Florida, [39:00] when they're saying [39:00] you can't debate and criticize Israel, [39:02] I'm not part of that camp. [39:03] Not just that. [39:04] DeSantis is one of the many governors [39:06] and Republicans... [39:06] I'm not part of that camp. [39:07] ...who have said [39:07] that if you're an American business [39:09] that engages in BDS, [39:10] you can't get contracts with the state. [39:11] That's insane. [39:12] An American business [39:13] can't do what it wants to do. [39:14] But by the way, [39:15] what I'm trying to tell you [39:16] is I think the reasonable people [39:18] are not with that. [39:20] Short-term, [39:20] some of these things may come and go. [39:22] Long-term, they're not. [39:23] I had Randy... [39:24] What's his last name? [39:25] Randy Fein? [39:26] I had him on [39:26] and I asked him the question [39:28] about where he's at. [39:29] I think you may have even tweeted [39:31] something about it [39:31] when we talked about it. [39:33] I asked him a couple questions [39:33] pointed whether he was pro-America, [39:35] America first, [39:36] or Israel first. [39:37] If you're in America, [39:39] hey, [39:39] I have a problem with you [39:41] not being in America first. [39:41] But I want to go back to this. [39:43] If they give $6 billion, [39:45] you think they're dumb [39:46] that they're just giving $6 billion [39:47] to universities? [39:48] You don't think they want things in return? [39:49] No, I think everyone... [39:50] I think you made that point earlier. [39:51] There are many lobbies [39:52] trying to get their way. [39:53] I'm not disputing [39:53] that there are many lobbies. [39:54] In fact, I'm the one who says [39:55] let's not treat the Israel lobby [39:57] as a unique lobby. [39:57] People are like, [39:58] oh my God, AIPAC. [39:59] I always say AIPAC, NRA, [40:01] Big Pharma, [40:02] all of these people. [40:02] All of them. [40:03] I want to get money out of politics. [40:04] I'm on the left. [40:04] I'm a Bernie Elizabeth Warren. [40:06] I want to get money out of politics. [40:07] Let's get rid of Citizens United. [40:08] Yeah, Citizens United, [40:09] worst Supreme Court decision. [40:10] Okay, but let me come back [40:11] to your direct point about influence. [40:13] I'm not disputing [40:13] that they're spending money, [40:14] they're lobbying. [40:15] Everyone's doing it. [40:16] I'm saying Israel's winning [40:17] and the evidence is what's happened. [40:19] See, I'm saying Israel's losing. [40:22] Not only do I have a kid in college, [40:23] I have multiple Muslim friends, [40:25] leftist friends with kids in colleges. [40:26] Kids are now Jewish. [40:27] I have kids who've been arrested. [40:28] I have kids who've been doxxed. [40:30] I know kids who've been suspended. [40:32] I know kids who've been expelled [40:33] because of their criticism of Israel. [40:34] I watched a video of Ramesa Ozturk, [40:36] a young Turkish student at Tufts, [40:38] be picked up by eight ICE agents [40:40] and detained because she wrote [40:41] an op-ed in her student paper [40:43] saying we should divest from Israel. [40:44] And Marco Rubio had her detained [40:46] for a year, right? [40:47] So don't tell me that Qatar [40:48] is winning this argument. [40:49] Qatar is not winning [40:50] the argument on campus. [40:51] That's just a complete, [40:52] the last three years [40:53] is a complete denial. [40:55] I get your argument, [40:56] but I would dispute it [40:58] in the following way. [40:59] Everybody is trying [41:00] to win influence. [41:01] Everybody. [41:01] And they're spending money. [41:02] So no matter what it is, [41:03] everybody, but the question is [41:05] whose money is working [41:07] and who's not? [41:08] The part where I go [41:09] that's not working [41:10] is do you think [41:12] Israel's popularity in America [41:14] has increased or decreased [41:15] the last five years? [41:16] No, because that's a different argument. [41:18] That's because people saw [41:18] a genocide live stream [41:19] to their phones, right? [41:20] And you can't buy your way out of that. [41:22] It's more than, [41:22] that's one of it. [41:23] That's one of the big issues. [41:23] It's one of the bigger issues, [41:25] but it's more than that. [41:26] So whatever they did, [41:27] like even when Charlie Kirk, [41:28] you know, the letters came out [41:29] when he was having a conversation [41:30] with Bibi [41:31] and I don't know [41:32] if it was the seven things [41:33] he wrote, the six things. [41:34] Do you remember that [41:34] when he wrote a letter? [41:36] I don't know if you remember that. [41:36] I wasn't a big Charlie Kirk reader. [41:38] You'll be shocked here. [41:39] Yeah. [41:39] Well, you would have liked him. [41:40] It was a special thing. [41:41] No, he didn't like me. [41:42] He wanted me deported. [41:43] He called for me [41:43] to be deported from this country [41:44] because he's such [41:45] a free speech champion he was. [41:47] What was his reason for it? [41:48] Because I said something [41:48] about COVID [41:49] that he didn't like. [41:50] What did you say about COVID? [41:51] Something about the whole school, [41:53] my position on, [41:54] you know, lockdowns, [41:55] vaccines, [41:55] whatever it was, [41:56] he didn't like it, [41:57] but instead of debating me on it, [41:58] he said, [41:59] who's this guy? [42:00] He should be deported [42:00] from the country. [42:02] Can you tell me specific [42:03] what it was, Rob? [42:04] Rob, can you find out? [42:06] Now, if you said [42:06] something crazy shit on Twitter [42:08] and he responds back to you. [42:10] Hold on, even if I said [42:10] something crazy, [42:11] the First Amendment [42:11] doesn't come crazy? [42:13] His First Amendment, [42:14] he can also say that. [42:15] But you think [42:15] we should threaten [42:16] people with deportation? [42:17] I don't know. [42:18] You said some crazy shit. [42:19] What did you say? [42:19] No, I didn't say anything crazy. [42:20] I'm just saying, [42:21] let's say I did say something crazy. [42:22] No, but even if I didn't say anything crazy. [42:23] But let's just say he said that. [42:25] That's his freedom to be crazy. [42:26] Of course it's his freedom. [42:27] Yeah. [42:27] I'm not going to like the guy. [42:28] You're like, [42:28] I would have agreed with him. [42:29] That's a different story. [42:30] That's how we got on to Kirk. [42:30] I'm like, [42:31] why would I agree with the guy [42:32] who hated Islam? [42:32] No, no, you don't have to. [42:33] He hated Islam [42:34] and he wanted me deported. [42:35] That's a different story. [42:35] That's a different story. [42:37] But by the way. [42:37] Rob is fast. [42:38] Rob is fast. [42:39] We need you, Rob. [42:40] Charlie. [42:41] This is speed. [42:42] Charlie was a phenomenal, [42:43] phenomenal guy. [42:44] But let me go back to it. [42:45] We'll have to agree to disagree. [42:46] Yeah, that's totally fine. [42:47] So, but where was I going with this? [42:48] We were talking about the influence [42:49] and then we went to universities. [42:51] What topic were we on? [42:52] I brought up Charlie. [42:54] Rob, do you know where I was going? [42:55] You were talking to Netanyahu [42:55] and the stuff. [42:56] Oh yeah, when he talked to Netanyahu [42:57] with the seven points [42:58] and he said to him, [42:58] he said, [42:59] you're losing the kids. [43:01] Whatever you're doing, [43:03] the propaganda, [43:04] you're losing the kids. [43:05] So it's not working. [43:06] So if you say [43:08] the influence of AIPAC [43:09] or whatever they're spending [43:10] their money to win over Congress [43:11] and all these other guys, [43:13] guess what happened? [43:14] I think they gave money [43:15] to John Cornyn. [43:16] AIPAC did. [43:17] He lost. [43:17] He's been there for 40 plus years. [43:20] Paxton won. [43:21] So what happened [43:22] with that guy winning? [43:22] He was a guy [43:23] that was not even supposed to win. [43:24] He had issues. [43:25] Letters came out with his wife, [43:26] all these others. [43:27] It wasn't a pretty thing. [43:28] So I don't know if [43:29] their influence, [43:31] don't get me wrong, [43:32] when you're talking about Mary, [43:33] you know, [43:33] she's putting up [43:34] some real money there. [43:35] Trump's been very open about it. [43:36] She's put up some real money there. [43:37] Can I say, [43:38] I don't think we're disagreeing that much. [43:39] I think we're not actually disagreeing. [43:42] I agree with you. [43:42] I'm the first to say [43:43] I'm very happy [43:44] to see young people switching on this. [43:45] I never thought [43:46] a day would come in my lifetime [43:47] where polls showed [43:49] that the American public [43:49] supports Palestine more than Israel, [43:51] which we're now seeing [43:51] from Pew and Gallup. [43:52] That's an amazing change [43:53] in public opinion [43:54] for people like me. [43:55] But what I'm trying to say to you [43:56] is all of that is valueless, [43:58] worthless. [43:58] Why the AIPAC calculation [43:59] might make sense to AIPAC is, [44:01] well, who cares [44:02] what public opinions say? [44:03] If we can, [44:04] it is short term, [44:05] but if we can control. [44:06] But they don't think long term. [44:08] No, no, no, no. [44:08] Maybe the Chinese do. [44:09] The Israelis think short term. [44:11] No, I'm not talking Israeli. [44:12] Okay. [44:13] I'm talking about [44:14] those who wanted to make sure, [44:16] like whatever their belief is, [44:17] whatever your belief is, [44:18] folks that are not pro-Israel, [44:19] right? [44:20] And hey. [44:20] Yeah, they've not won hearts and minds. [44:22] We agree on that. [44:22] Oh, no, no. [44:23] I think, [44:24] I go to schools [44:25] and I talk to kids. [44:26] First thing I ask is, [44:27] who do you watch? [44:28] Used to be Charlie Kirk. [44:29] Who is it now? [44:30] Da, da, da. [44:30] Really? [44:31] What's your position with Israel? [44:33] Oh, boom. [44:33] I mean, it's like [44:35] zero to anger towards Israel. [44:37] So guess what that means? [44:39] Whatever the propaganda was, [44:41] correct or not, [44:42] it worked for those [44:44] that are anti-Israel. [44:45] But guess what's scary? [44:46] They've made a lot of problems. [44:46] But guess what's scary? [44:47] What's that? [44:47] When the pro-Israel side [44:48] hear you say that, [44:49] when they see the numbers [44:50] of people watching Candace Owens [44:51] or Tucker Carlson [44:52] or Nick Fuentes, [44:53] God help us, [44:54] when they hear that, [44:55] they don't go, [44:56] shit, [44:56] we need to work harder [44:57] to win hearts and minds. [44:58] What they say is, [44:59] we need to crack down [45:00] on democracy and free speech [45:01] because that's the only way [45:02] we stay in power. [45:03] That is why you have, [45:04] Peter Beinart, [45:04] my good friend, [45:05] who used to be [45:06] a hardcore Zionist, [45:07] now a liberal. [45:07] I don't think that works anymore. [45:08] Peter makes the point [45:09] that you're going to see [45:09] a lot of Zionist groups [45:10] in this country [45:11] allying with the right. [45:12] Traditionally, [45:13] American Jewish groups [45:14] have been pro-democrat, [45:15] liberal, [45:15] but now they're allying [45:16] with Trump and MAGA [45:17] because they see a way [45:19] of suppressing speech [45:20] and joining with [45:22] authoritarian forces [45:23] because they can't win [45:24] the argument fair and square. [45:25] I think that's a mistake. [45:26] It is a mistake. [45:26] But that's what they're doing. [45:28] Jonathan, [45:28] I understand that, [45:29] but what I'm saying to you is [45:30] it's very important [45:32] to win over the kids, [45:33] very important [45:34] to win over kids. [45:36] And when I see [45:37] China, Qatar, [45:38] putting that kind of money [45:39] in schools, [45:40] their long-term thinking [45:42] is let's win these kids over [45:44] and now let's see what happens. [45:45] So I don't think Israel [45:46] is winning [45:47] when it comes down [45:47] to winning over... [45:48] Did you see [45:49] the Jerusalem Post conference [45:50] in New York this week? [45:51] No. [45:51] They host a conference [45:52] that ties in [45:53] with the Israel Day [45:53] crazy parade. [45:55] They had Ronald Lauder, [45:57] the Estee Lauder guy, [45:58] the billionaire, [45:59] giving a speech. [45:59] His son-in-law [46:00] is the Federal Reserve guy, [46:01] Kevin Walsh. [46:02] I don't remember his name. [46:03] Is he a Jewish? [46:04] Ronald Lauder [46:04] is a very leading figure [46:05] in the American Jewish community, [46:07] big supporter of Israel. [46:08] He gave a speech [46:08] at the Jerusalem Post conference [46:09] and in that speech, [46:10] he said that Mossad [46:13] and Shin Bet, [46:14] the Israeli intelligence, [46:15] domestic and foreign intelligence, [46:16] should be working hard [46:17] to get American kids [46:18] to support Israel, [46:19] influence operations. [46:20] Openly called for it [46:21] in a speech. [46:22] There's a clip doing that. [46:23] It's insane. [46:23] Right? [46:24] So when you're talking about... [46:24] This is what I'm saying to you. [46:25] It's not that they don't know [46:26] what's happening, [46:27] but their solutions [46:28] are so batshit crazy [46:29] and so authoritarian. [46:31] Israel is losing [46:32] the information war. [46:34] So they get it. [46:34] They agree with you and me, [46:35] but their solutions [46:36] are scary as shit. [46:37] They're authoritarian. [46:38] It's not going to work today, though. [46:39] I hope it doesn't work. [46:39] You know why it's not going to work today? [46:42] Why is it not going to work? [46:43] Are you with MSNBC today? [46:44] No. [46:45] Okay, where are you at? [46:46] I'm independent. [46:46] What can you talk about? [46:47] Anything I want. [46:48] Anything you want. [46:49] As long as you don't say [46:50] something crazy [46:50] that you get a strike on YouTube, [46:52] you're good to go. [46:52] Yeah, but that's the thing, right? [46:53] Look at TikTok. [46:54] When Mitt Romney [46:54] had Antony Blinken on stage, [46:56] do you remember [46:56] that famous conversation [46:57] a couple of years back? [46:58] And he said, [46:59] everyone's like, [47:04] every time I go on TikTok, [47:06] you see six times, [47:06] seven times as many [47:07] pro-Palestinian posts [47:08] as pro-Israel posts. [47:10] We've got to do something about that. [47:11] Blinken's nodding. [47:12] I'm like, [47:12] Mitt, you're not supposed [47:13] to say that out loud. [47:13] You're supposed to say that [47:14] in a speech-filled room. [47:15] He said it on stage, right? [47:17] He made it clear [47:18] that the TikTok, [47:19] taken over TikTok [47:20] by the Ellisons and co [47:21] was always about Israel [47:22] more than it was about China. [47:23] And that does worry me [47:24] because you could say, [47:25] oh, well, I wonder today [47:26] if, God forbid, [47:27] the genocide restarted today [47:29] at the level it did [47:29] in October 2023 [47:30] after the horrific massacre [47:31] on October 7th, [47:33] what would we see [47:33] on our social media [47:34] screens today? [47:34] I think you'd see much less [47:36] than you saw in October, [47:37] November, December of 2023. [47:40] So if you, [47:41] okay, fair [47:42] on what could happen there. [47:43] But to me, [47:44] I think the independent [47:46] content creators, [47:48] Israel wasn't used [47:49] to these guys 20 years ago. [47:51] And this is a very different game. [47:52] Yeah. [47:53] Very different game. [47:54] So they were not accustomed [47:55] to these guys coming on [47:56] and not needing anybody [47:57] and just sit in front of the computer, [47:58] play video games and talk. [47:59] And nowadays, [48:00] you have streamers. [48:01] Streamers are influencing kids. [48:03] Gamers are influencing kids. [48:05] How long this is going to last, [48:06] I don't know. [48:06] But look what the UK government [48:07] just did. [48:08] My country. [48:08] With Jenkin and Hassan. [48:09] They just banned Jenkin and Hassan. [48:10] So again, [48:11] that's the short-term crackdown. [48:12] We can't win the argument. [48:13] What was the reasoning, [48:13] by the way? [48:14] What did they say? [48:14] Anti-Israel. [48:15] Or what was a specific thing? [48:16] They didn't give a specific [48:17] as far as I'm aware. [48:17] Well, I mean, UK, [48:18] you know your country. [48:19] I haven't seen the details [48:21] because there's a bunch of news. [48:21] I know that they didn't say, [48:24] look, [48:25] ban for criticizing Israel. [48:26] They say. [48:26] I don't know what the UK government has said. [48:28] But they're saying this. [48:30] You don't know if that's the position. [48:32] I don't know. [48:32] I don't know the exact, [48:33] but my point being, [48:34] my point being, [48:35] this is exactly what we just talked about, [48:36] which is, [48:37] again, [48:38] we can't debate with Hassan Piker, [48:40] the streamer, [48:40] so we just prevent him [48:41] from coming to speak. [48:42] You can do it here, though. [48:43] This is specifically in the UK. [48:45] But my point is, [48:46] but they're doing, [48:46] no, no, [48:46] but they do it in reverse, right? [48:47] So with the UK, [48:48] you pressure the UK government. [48:49] I don't know about Cenk, [48:50] but you want to pull up [48:51] some of the stuff Hassan has said? [48:52] You want to give him feedback [48:53] on what he said? [48:54] I give him feedback. [48:55] I know Hassan very well. [48:55] Have you heard about some of this stuff? [48:57] He knows that he said some dumb. [48:58] He said the capitalist blood [48:59] on the, you know, [49:00] he said some outrageous stuff. [49:02] He said, [49:02] he knows that. [49:03] Is he the guy that's making [49:04] 9-11 happen again or something? [49:05] No, what he said. [49:06] Okay, come on, hold on. [49:07] Can you just pull up [49:08] the crazy shit he said? [49:08] No, no, no, hold on. [49:09] I'm not going to defend this. [49:10] I know you're going to defend him, [49:11] but I want to know [49:11] I'm not going to defend him. [49:12] Go ahead. [49:13] Well, I'm going to defend him [49:13] from falsehoods. [49:15] I've spoken to Hassan [49:15] very bluntly and said, [49:16] you've given your opponent. [49:19] Yes. [49:20] What is the context of that? [49:21] Tell me. [49:22] The context, [49:22] he was talking about [49:22] American foreign policy [49:23] and, you know, [49:24] the quote unquote famous line [49:25] about, you know, [49:25] chickens coming home to roost. [49:27] It was a very provocative statement. [49:28] He's apologized for that, [49:29] by the way, [49:29] just to be clear. [49:30] But even Robert Kagan, [49:32] you know who Robert Kagan is? [49:32] The big neocon. [49:33] He came out recently and said, [49:35] you know what? [49:35] 9-11 was a result [49:36] of our bad foreign policy. [49:37] He just said it in a more [49:38] diplomatic, Atlantic magazine [49:42] No, he shouldn't have said it like that [49:43] because America deserved 9-11 [49:44] and makes the sound [49:44] that those people died [49:45] was worth it. [49:46] No. [49:46] But did America bring 9-11 [49:47] on itself? [49:48] 100%. [49:49] U.S. foreign policy created [49:51] Osama bin Laden, [49:52] created Al-Qaeda, [49:53] created all of these wars [49:54] in the Middle East, [49:55] created that jihad in Afghanistan. [49:57] 110% [49:58] that was a blowback [49:59] from U.S. foreign policy. [50:00] Every serious scholar [50:01] who's looked at that [50:02] admits that now. [50:03] We're coming up [50:03] to the 25th anniversary of 9-11. [50:05] Even Robert Kagan is saying. [50:06] When do you think, [50:07] Rob, can you pull up [50:09] how many arrests [50:10] happen in UK [50:10] versus other countries [50:11] on social media? [50:12] I don't know if you've seen this. [50:13] Yes, I've seen it. [50:14] It's a little bit out of context. [50:14] But you know, [50:15] when you talk about Piker, [50:17] Osama Piker, [50:17] what he said, [50:18] to me, [50:19] you can say anything [50:20] you want to say. [50:21] The only thing [50:22] I have a problem with [50:23] is when it comes down [50:23] to a threat [50:24] to someone's life. [50:25] Yes. [50:25] Give your opinion. [50:26] Hey, I disagree with it. [50:27] This guy's a, [50:28] this guy's a, [50:29] that. [50:29] But when he gets down [50:29] to that, [50:30] and then... [50:30] He's never threatened [50:31] anyone's life. [50:32] When he said, [50:34] capitalist blood, [50:35] let them die. [50:36] Can you pull up that clip? [50:38] I don't know that clip. [50:39] If it sounds sad right here, [50:41] I'm 47. [50:42] You're 46. [50:43] I think we're a year apart. [50:44] You're 79, right? [50:45] So we're the same age. [50:46] So when you sit down [50:47] with a young guy like that, [50:48] and we've made some [50:49] major mistakes in our career. [50:50] I just told you, [50:51] I talk to Hassan all the time. [50:52] Don't give your opponent [50:53] sticks with you. [50:53] Here's the one. [50:54] Watch this. [50:54] The guy is a non-violent guy. [50:55] He doesn't support war or killing. [50:57] He just says provocative things. [50:58] You have it, Rob, [50:58] with audio or no? [50:59] My understanding [51:00] is that the property owners [51:01] who have properties there [51:02] choose just not to rent it at all. [51:04] Yeah, kill them. [51:05] Kill those motherfuckers [51:06] and murder those motherfuckers [51:07] in the street. [51:08] Let the streets soak [51:10] in their fucking [51:11] red capitalist bloods, dude. [51:14] Yeah, that's a dumb thing. [51:15] Good looking guy. [51:15] That's a dumb thing to say. [51:16] Talented guy. [51:17] Good speaker. [51:18] Why would you say something like that? [51:18] I'm going to text Hassan after this [51:19] and say you screwed me over [51:21] on the Patrick Ben David [51:23] because I'm not going to defend that. [51:24] I don't know what the context [51:24] for that is. [51:25] But look, even you said, [51:26] let's park Hassan Piker. [51:28] Cenk Uge said a lot of things [51:29] are very provocative too. [51:30] Not like that, [51:30] but about Israel. [51:31] The point is, [51:33] to come back to my wider point, [51:34] which is there's still a way [51:35] for them to shut down [51:36] the conversations, [51:37] to censor speech [51:38] critical of Israel. [51:39] Cenk is pretty loud. [51:39] Cenk is everywhere. [51:40] But now he can't speak [51:41] in the UK is my point. [51:42] But that's the argument [51:43] for UK's dumb policy. [51:45] It's not just the UK. [51:46] You don't think the US? [51:47] Not at the... [51:48] Bro, pull up the numbers. [51:49] No way. [51:50] Come on. [51:50] Let's compare. [51:51] The US is much worse. [51:52] Dude, look at this here. [51:53] The number of arrests [51:54] for hateful messages. [51:55] Marco Rubio locked up [51:57] students in this country [51:58] for their speech, [52:00] for speaking, [52:00] for a woman, [52:01] a young woman in a hijab [52:02] from Turkey [52:03] wrote an article [52:04] in a student paper. [52:05] She said, [52:06] we should divest from Israel. [52:07] I don't know the whole story. [52:07] Pull it up, [52:08] whatever you want. [52:08] I don't know the whole story. [52:09] A judge threw it out. [52:10] He said it was a chilling [52:11] free speech in this country. [52:12] He had her released from prison. [52:14] Multiple cases. [52:15] I'm going to give you one. [52:15] Was she a US citizen? [52:16] No, she was a Turkish student. [52:18] She was a Turkish student here. [52:19] Turkish student. [52:19] Legal student. [52:20] We're studying a tough. [52:20] Legal student here [52:21] and criticized American policy. [52:23] No, she asked, [52:24] she said, [52:24] she didn't even criticize [52:25] the American government. [52:26] She said, [52:26] my university, [52:27] hey, Tufts, [52:28] we should divest from Israel. [52:30] Marco Rubio locked her up. [52:30] This is the one right here. [52:31] This is the one right here. [52:33] The judge threw the case out. [52:35] He said it was a complete [52:36] assault on free speech. [52:37] In fact, [52:37] a Reagan judge, [52:38] Patrick, [52:39] you don't have to trust lefties. [52:40] Let me quote you a Reagan judge, [52:41] a guy called William Young, [52:42] appointed by Ronald Reagan. [52:43] When he looked at the cases [52:44] of all these students, [52:45] he said, [52:46] Donald Trump has launched a quote, [52:47] this is his words, [52:48] full-throated assault [52:49] on the First Amendment. [52:50] Marco Rubio [52:51] is deporting people [52:52] like Mahmoud Khalil, [52:53] who you may not be a fan of, [52:54] not because they did any terrorist activity [52:57] or called for the killing of anyone, [52:58] but because under some random 1952 immigration law, [53:02] the Secretary of State has the power [53:03] to deport anyone he says [53:05] is undermining U.S. foreign policy [53:06] through their speech. [53:07] Can he? [53:08] Well, it's never been tested [53:09] at the Supreme Court. [53:10] There's one judge [53:11] who adjudicated on this law. [53:13] You know what her name was? [53:15] Guess what her name was? [53:16] Judge Marion Barry Trump. [53:19] Trump's sister [53:20] is the only judge [53:21] to ever look at the 1952 law [53:23] on its merits, [53:23] and she said it was unconstitutional. [53:24] But it then got rejected [53:26] by another court [53:26] on procedural grounds. [53:27] It's never been tested. [53:28] You and I, [53:29] if I just describe it to you, [53:30] you and I think it's insane, right? [53:31] The Secretary of State [53:32] should not have dictatorial powers. [53:33] I don't know the laws behind it. [53:35] Let's assume I'm right. [53:35] Sure. [53:36] Assume I'm right. [53:37] You would disagree [53:38] with the idea [53:38] that the Secretary of State, [53:39] Antony Blinken, [53:40] Marco Rubio, [53:41] whoever it is, [53:41] has the power unilaterally [53:43] to throw out people [53:44] who have broken no laws [53:45] because he didn't like [53:46] what they said. [53:47] Surely you as a free speech guy [53:48] would be opposed to that. [53:49] Yeah, I'm a... [53:50] And by the way, [53:50] the way you're making it seem like [53:52] is you're quick to forget [53:53] what happened under Biden. [53:55] You're quick to... [53:55] I just said Blinken, too. [53:57] I just said Blinken's name. [53:58] How can you say [53:59] I'm quick to forget Biden? [53:59] Do you know how many... [54:00] No, hold on. [54:01] How can you say [54:01] I'm quick to forget Biden? [54:02] I just said Blinken and Rubio. [54:03] I'm just reminding you [54:04] how many people on YouTube [54:06] got strikes, [54:07] videos taken down, [54:08] what things we couldn't talk about. [54:09] We couldn't criticize [54:09] anything about vaccine, [54:12] COVID. [54:12] That's not true. [54:13] You know how many strikes I got? [54:15] You're exaggerating. [54:15] You couldn't criticize [54:16] anything about vaccines [54:17] that was there in the pandemic. [54:18] Wait, wait, wait, wait. [54:18] People were criticizing vaccines. [54:19] You were criticizing. [54:19] And videos were disappearing [54:22] I can do easy research for you, [54:24] send a report to you. [54:25] Videos were disappearing like that. [54:26] People that were talking, [54:27] creating content, [54:28] massive YouTubers [54:29] were disappearing. [54:30] Hold on, hold on. [54:31] You've just made my point for me. [54:32] A minute ago, [54:32] you said America's much better [54:33] than the UK. [54:34] Now you're saying [54:34] America's dictatorial, too. [54:35] So we're agreeing. [54:35] No, no, I'm not saying [54:36] America's better than UK. [54:37] When it comes down to arrest, [54:39] we don't arrest. [54:41] What if it was Rubio Sostak? [54:42] I just showed you. [54:42] I can go through the list. [54:44] Should I go through the list? [54:44] Mahmoud Khalil. [54:45] Are you really going to defend [54:46] UK versus US? [54:48] I'm going to say right now [54:49] the US is much worse [54:50] than the UK. [54:51] Stop it. [54:51] And actually, by the way, [54:52] the UK is really bad right now. [54:54] When's the last time [54:55] somebody knocked on your door [54:56] and said, [54:56] Mehdi, be quiet. [54:57] You're talking too much. [54:57] You know, the UK is, [54:58] by the way, [54:59] I don't want to defend the UK. [55:00] The Labour government in the UK [55:01] passed a law [55:02] that criminalized Palestine action. [55:04] You heard of this group, [55:05] Palestine Action? [55:06] No. [55:06] It's a group that went [55:07] and threw paint on some, [55:09] broke into a military base [55:10] and threw paint [55:11] and I think they assaulted [55:13] a police officer, [55:14] fought with them. [55:14] I can't remember [55:14] what the charges were. [55:15] But they were classified [55:16] as a terrorist group [55:18] alongside ISIS [55:19] and some far-right [55:20] white supremacist groups. [55:21] Insane. [55:22] There's no intelligence for this. [55:23] They rammed it through Parliament, [55:25] got it, voted on. [55:26] And then they started [55:26] rounding up people. [55:27] I don't know if you've seen the videos. [55:29] Every weekend [55:30] for the last few months in the UK, [55:31] people were protesting [55:32] against the genocide. [55:33] Little old ladies, [55:34] a guy in a wheelchair, [55:36] vicars, priests, [55:37] grabbed by two police officers, [55:38] arrested. [55:38] You're a terrorist [55:39] because they said [55:40] Palestine Action. [55:40] You can't say Palestine Action. [55:42] So I'm not going to defend [55:43] the British government. [55:43] They're deeply repressive right now. [55:45] But funnily enough, [55:46] Elon Musk never talks [55:46] about cases like that. [55:47] He always brings up the cases [55:49] about, [55:49] Tommy Robinson. [55:50] All of that stuff. [55:51] I'm sure you're a big fan of Tommy. [55:52] Oh, yeah. [55:53] And he's a big fan of mine. [55:54] But the biggest threat right now, [55:56] there's no more repressive law [55:57] than this law they did [55:58] to basically, [55:59] if you go out and say [55:59] Palestine Action, [56:00] say the two words. [56:01] If I go to the UK tomorrow [56:02] and say Palestine Action, [56:03] I will be arrested. [56:03] So what do you think [56:04] about what happened [56:04] to Henry Nowak? [56:06] Who's Henry Nowak? [56:07] Remind me. [56:07] You don't know [56:08] who Henry Nowak is? [56:09] I will if you remind me. [56:09] Can you pull it up, Rob? [56:11] Henry Nowak, [56:11] this is the guy [56:12] in Southampton, England, [56:14] last year, December 3rd, [56:16] 20, 25, [56:17] 18-year-old kid [56:17] is going home, [56:18] murdered by Vikram Digwa. [56:21] The video just came out. [56:23] The Vikram guy [56:24] stabs Henry Nowak. [56:28] That's the problem. [56:28] Media's not even [56:29] talking about this. [56:30] Stabs Henry Nowak. [56:31] I don't know how many times. [56:33] Cut and stabbed Nowak [56:35] a total of five times [56:36] with a knife. [56:36] When police arrived, [56:37] Digwa accused Nowak [56:38] of assault [56:39] and officers [56:40] handcuffed Nowak. [56:41] He died shortly [56:42] after being handcuffed. [56:43] The video came out, [56:44] I think, yesterday, Rob, [56:45] if you want to pull it up. [56:46] And it showed [56:47] the guy can't breathe. [56:49] He's having a hard time breathing. [56:50] He's telling the cops, [56:51] I can't breathe. [56:52] I can't breathe. [56:53] I can't breathe. [56:54] All of a sudden, [56:56] he dies. [56:57] And they said, [56:57] no, you said [56:58] some racist comments. [56:59] Rob, I send the video to you [57:00] in the notes [57:01] if you go to it. [57:02] Okay. [57:03] So what is the point of that? [57:04] But I'm going to tell you [57:05] what's the point of it. [57:05] No, no. [57:06] It's horrible. [57:06] No, but because the cops [57:08] sided with Digwa [57:09] they said Digwa [57:11] told them [57:12] that he made racist comments [57:14] and with the guy saying [57:15] I was stabbed by these guys, [57:16] he's running away. [57:17] They caught him. [57:18] The guy had an eight-inch knife [57:20] typical to seek [57:21] what do you call it? [57:22] The ceremonial knife [57:25] that they have. [57:25] You know which one [57:25] I'm talking about. [57:26] So he gets stabbed. [57:27] Now they want to ban. [57:28] I did see British politicians [57:30] say they want to ban it [57:31] and I didn't realize the context. [57:32] This is the context. [57:32] And this is the context. [57:33] And they said [57:33] they wanted to ban it. [57:34] Keir Starmer came out today [57:35] and said, [57:35] no, we're not going to ban it. [57:36] But you know what [57:37] you can't have in England? [57:38] You know what you can't have [57:39] in England? [57:39] You can't even have pepper spray. [57:41] Pepper spray has not been [57:42] legal since 68 [57:43] but they can have that knife. [57:44] How does that make any sense? [57:45] So for me, [57:46] you and I can cherry pick [57:47] stories on both sides [57:48] to create rage [57:49] on why this or that [57:51] but the stats are the stats. [57:53] So when you're saying [57:54] that story about America [57:55] and UK, [57:55] you hear a story like this, [57:57] where is the rage with this? [57:58] Where is the outrage with this? [57:58] That's not even a free speech story. [57:59] We were talking about free speech. [58:00] You brought up stats [58:01] about social media arrests [58:02] and I'm saying to you [58:03] right now in the US [58:05] you can be arrested [58:06] by this government [58:06] detained for a year [58:07] without charge [58:08] because you said something [58:10] the government doesn't like [58:10] about Israel, [58:11] by the way, [58:12] about a foreign country. [58:12] It's not even about [58:13] the American government. [58:13] You're not even criticizing [58:14] the American government. [58:15] You're criticizing a foreign government. [58:15] I'm going to go look it up [58:16] and I'll give you my response [58:17] to you personally and myself. [58:19] Have them on your show. [58:20] Have Molson Madawi on your show. [58:21] Have Badr Khan Suri [58:23] who's in court right now [58:24] on your show, [58:25] Georgetown student. [58:25] These guys were picked up [58:26] off the streets [58:27] by men, [58:28] masked men, [58:29] unmarked cars. [58:30] Do these people love America? [58:31] Yes. [58:32] They love America. [58:33] I don't know. [58:33] Are they planning on staying here [58:34] or going back home? [58:35] Mahmoud Khalil is married here, [58:36] has a kid. [58:36] He had a kid while he was in prison. [58:38] Donald Trump, [58:38] the Family Values Party, [58:39] the Republican Party [58:40] didn't let this guy be [58:41] with his wife [58:41] when she gave birth, [58:42] didn't let him hold his baby. [58:43] What do you say about Henry Nowak, [58:44] what I just showed you? [58:45] I think that's horrific. [58:45] That's UK. [58:46] I think that's horrific. [58:47] I don't know the details [58:49] but obviously the police got it wrong. [58:50] This is the part that kind of, [58:51] so you represented [58:52] the media on the left, [58:54] okay, [58:55] so Rob, [58:56] can you go back to that story [58:57] that New York Times, [58:58] if you search the two different words [58:59] of George Floyd [59:01] versus what happened with Nowak, [59:03] Novak, [59:04] you just had it up right now [59:05] a minute ago. [59:06] Oh, come on. [59:07] You're going to do this? [59:08] No, he's going to be fine. [59:09] The media is... [59:10] But wait a minute. [59:11] This is New York Times. [59:11] Go to the first one. [59:12] I'm not a fan of the news. [59:13] You type in Henry Nowak. [59:14] How many names? [59:15] Results, 19. [59:16] Go to the next one, Rob. [59:19] George Floyd, [59:19] 63-97. [59:21] There is no incentive [59:22] to tell this story [59:22] because it doesn't go [59:24] with the narrative. [59:24] So I disagree with you. [59:26] I grew up in the UK. [59:27] Right-wing media [59:28] has been telling these stories [59:28] all my life. [59:30] All my life, [59:31] all I've seen is black people [59:32] and Muslim people [59:32] on the front pages. [59:34] Have you looked at the front pages, [59:35] the Daily Mail, [59:35] the Daily Express? [59:36] What do you mean [59:36] the UK is being destroyed? [59:37] You think the UK is doing good? [59:38] I mean, no, [59:39] but not for the reasons you think. [59:40] Why do you think the UK [59:41] is not doing good? [59:42] I think economically [59:43] it's doing very badly. [59:44] It had very bad leadership [59:45] for the last 15 years. [59:46] I was there. [59:47] The conservative government [59:48] that came in in 2010 [59:49] did an austerity program [59:50] after the financial crisis [59:51] basically destroyed. [59:52] Cameron and George Osborne [59:54] did a austerity program [59:56] that basically gutted [59:57] the British state, [59:57] gutted our competitiveness, [59:59] didn't cut the deficit, [1:00:00] actually ruined [1:00:01] our fiscal credibility, [1:00:02] downgraded our credit rating, [1:00:04] destroyed our growth [1:00:05] over the course of a decade, [1:00:06] undermined our health service. [1:00:08] You put anything [1:00:09] tied to immigration to that? [1:00:10] No. [1:00:11] None. [1:00:12] Immigration has been a boost [1:00:13] for the British economy. [1:00:13] In fact, cutting immigration back. [1:00:14] Look at Brexit. [1:00:15] Brexit has been a disaster [1:00:16] for the British economy. [1:00:17] Do you know how many people [1:00:18] in Britain want to rejoin the EU? [1:00:19] A majority. [1:00:20] Pull that up. [1:00:21] The majority of Britons [1:00:21] want to go back into the EU. [1:00:22] Why do you think that is? [1:00:23] Why do you think that is, Patrick? [1:00:24] Do you think... [1:00:25] Why do you think [1:00:26] Britons want to go back [1:00:26] into the EU? [1:00:28] You just said Britain's [1:00:29] being destroyed. [1:00:30] Have you looked at the crime numbers, [1:00:33] what's going on in the UK? [1:00:34] Crime is very low. [1:00:35] Have you looked at... [1:00:36] Crime is very low, Patrick. [1:00:37] So let me ask you... [1:00:38] Do you know what the crime rate [1:00:39] in London is? [1:00:40] Did you see the tweet [1:00:41] that came out yesterday? [1:00:41] I know you're not a fan [1:00:42] of Sadek Khan. [1:00:42] You're not a fan [1:00:43] of my good friend Sadek Khan, are you? [1:00:44] What EU did... [1:00:45] You saw the tweet [1:00:46] that came out, [1:00:47] what EU was saying they're doing, [1:00:48] that they want to find a way [1:00:49] to get rid of illegal immigrants? [1:00:50] Okay, you're jumping around, Patrick. [1:00:51] Britain is not in the EU. [1:00:52] We're talking about Britain. [1:00:53] You just said Britain's [1:00:54] being destroyed, [1:00:55] which is nonsense. [1:00:55] And then you said crime rate. [1:00:57] Have you looked [1:00:58] at the London crime rates? [1:00:59] Last year, London had its lowest [1:01:01] per capita murder rate [1:01:03] since records began. [1:01:04] Had the lowest volume [1:01:05] of homicides for 30 years [1:01:06] under Sadek Khan, [1:01:07] third term mayor, [1:01:08] who people in America, [1:01:09] Elon Musk, Donald Trump, [1:01:10] get very worked up about. [1:01:11] I don't know if you guys [1:01:12] get worked up about him. [1:01:13] Been a very successful mayor [1:01:14] and crime has come down [1:01:15] by record numbers. [1:01:17] Violent crime and murder. [1:01:18] When you're looking at EU, [1:01:19] do you know which country [1:01:20] in EU has the lowest rape rate? [1:01:22] We're talking about the UK, Patrick. [1:01:23] Stay with UK. [1:01:24] The UK is not in the EU anymore, sadly. [1:01:25] UK to me, [1:01:26] I'll put them somewhat together [1:01:27] in the same area. [1:01:28] They left 10 years ago. [1:01:29] By the way, [1:01:29] so you're saying immigration [1:01:31] coming from all these countries [1:01:32] has been a successful project [1:01:33] for the EU? [1:01:34] What's your definition of success? [1:01:37] Many different ways. [1:01:38] Economically, [1:01:39] EU desperately needs migrants. [1:01:40] Have you seen the age rate [1:01:41] pull up the demographic? [1:01:42] Okay, so the main... [1:01:43] It's a dying continent [1:01:44] with a very low birth rate, [1:01:45] as Elon Musk likes to point out. [1:01:46] So when you think about... [1:01:47] They got no one there to work, [1:01:48] to pay taxes, [1:01:49] to look after the elderly, [1:01:50] to run the health services, etc. [1:01:51] Maybe the one argument [1:01:52] I'll go to [1:01:53] to see what you'll say about this. [1:01:54] Do you think the West, [1:01:55] when it comes down to West, [1:01:57] Muslims can coexist with the West? [1:01:59] I'm curious. [1:02:00] I'm curious. [1:02:01] We went from Britain's being destroyed [1:02:02] to London Crown [1:02:03] to EU to Muslims. [1:02:04] I'm curious. [1:02:05] Okay, we got to... [1:02:05] Tell me where you are with this. [1:02:07] I'm Muslim. [1:02:08] Do you think they can coexist? [1:02:09] Do you think I can coexist with them? [1:02:10] I think you can coexist. [1:02:12] Why me? [1:02:14] Educated. [1:02:15] You're a worker. [1:02:17] You're now a capitalist. [1:02:18] You're contributing. [1:02:20] You're creating jobs. [1:02:22] I would say you're net positive. [1:02:23] Do you not think [1:02:24] most Muslims do that? [1:02:26] I don't think [1:02:26] depending on where [1:02:28] they're coming from, [1:02:29] they don't. [1:02:29] Because if their countries [1:02:30] did a good job, [1:02:30] why would they leave it? [1:02:32] War that we caused? [1:02:33] War that who caused? [1:02:34] That we caused. [1:02:35] So they're leaving because of us. [1:02:36] Well, you know the big controversy [1:02:38] in the UK over the boats, [1:02:40] the small boats [1:02:40] coming across the channel. [1:02:41] Do you know what the top [1:02:42] three nationalities are [1:02:43] in those boats? [1:02:44] Tell me. [1:02:45] Iran, number one. [1:02:45] Okay. [1:02:46] Afghanistan, number two. [1:02:47] Iraq, number three. [1:02:49] Now, Iran is a current war. [1:02:50] Let's park Iran. [1:02:51] Are you telling me [1:02:52] we're not responsible [1:02:53] for the mess in Afghanistan [1:02:53] and Iraq? [1:02:54] Come on. [1:02:55] When you look at this, [1:02:56] let me show you this. [1:02:56] Rob, can you pull this up [1:02:57] when it comes down to... [1:03:00] Let me see which one I got here. [1:03:01] I love Rob bringing up these... [1:03:03] No, no. [1:03:04] I love he brings this up. [1:03:05] I know you like numbers. [1:03:06] No, I love it. [1:03:06] I love being proved right as well. [1:03:08] It's good for my ego. [1:03:09] No, no. [1:03:09] No, no. [1:03:09] Per capita, per capita. [1:03:11] When you look at the countries, [1:03:12] Rob, I think you got it. [1:03:14] Gulf states, [1:03:15] how they perform per capita [1:03:16] versus some of the other [1:03:17] Muslim nations. [1:03:19] Look at this one here. [1:03:20] Because they got oil and gas. [1:03:22] You think it's only oil and gas [1:03:23] that's causing them? [1:03:24] You don't think... [1:03:24] Did you know what these countries [1:03:25] are like in the season 70? [1:03:26] Iran has plenty of oil. [1:03:28] Yeah. [1:03:28] How come they're not in here? [1:03:29] Maybe there was a... [1:03:30] Can I answer your question? [1:03:31] But this has been going on [1:03:33] for a minute. [1:03:33] This is not a one-year thing. [1:03:34] Can I answer your question? [1:03:35] Sure. [1:03:36] Why do you think Iran's [1:03:37] not doing well economically? [1:03:38] Should I go through the list? [1:03:39] You're going to say it's sanctions. [1:03:40] Of course I'm going to say [1:03:41] it's sanctions. [1:03:41] You're going to say [1:03:42] it's America's fault. [1:03:42] Not just America's fault. [1:03:43] So how come Iran... [1:03:44] But partly... [1:03:45] Hold on, hold on. [1:03:46] How much... [1:03:46] Okay, you left Iran [1:03:47] during the Iran-Iraq war, right? [1:03:48] I left Iran after Khomeini died. [1:03:51] Six weeks after Khomeini died. [1:03:53] Okay, so Iran-Iraq was done by then. [1:03:54] 89... [1:03:55] July 15th, 89. [1:03:56] So Iran-Iraq was done. [1:03:57] It was done. [1:03:57] 1980 to 1988. [1:03:58] Yes. [1:03:59] $600 billion of damage [1:04:01] done to Iranian infrastructure, [1:04:02] the economy, [1:04:02] the cost of that war. [1:04:03] That was a war that Saddam Hussein... [1:04:05] Whose fault is that? [1:04:05] Oh, you put it on Saddam. [1:04:07] Who's fault do you think it is? [1:04:08] Who invaded who? [1:04:09] So, by the way... [1:04:10] Hold on, hold on, Patrick. [1:04:10] Come on. [1:04:11] You don't at all put that on IRGC? [1:04:14] No, I put it on the... [1:04:14] You don't put it on [1:04:15] Islamic Revolutionary Guard? [1:04:16] I put it on the country [1:04:17] that invades the other country. [1:04:18] That's how the world works. [1:04:19] I blame Russia for the Ukraine war. [1:04:21] They invaded Ukraine. [1:04:22] Why do they have a hard time [1:04:22] getting along with other people? [1:04:24] Why does Saddam Hussein... [1:04:25] Are you poor Saddam? [1:04:26] No, no, no, no, no. [1:04:27] Why does Iran have a hard time [1:04:28] getting along with other people? [1:04:29] That was what I said. [1:04:29] I said there was an Iran-Iraq war. [1:04:30] You said, is America to blame? [1:04:32] I said, yes, we backed Saddam Hussein. [1:04:33] Did we not back Saddam Hussein? [1:04:34] Did Donald Rumsfeld not fly and hug? [1:04:36] You can pick up a... [1:04:37] Rob can bring up a video [1:04:38] of Donald Rumsfeld [1:04:39] hugging Saddam Hussein [1:04:40] in 1983 in Baghdad. [1:04:42] Were we not supporting [1:04:43] the Iraqi invasion of Iran [1:04:45] that cost Iran a million lives, [1:04:48] 600 billion dollars [1:04:49] in infrastructure damage? [1:04:50] You're saying that didn't play [1:04:51] any role in Iran's economic future. [1:04:53] Why don't they... [1:04:54] You're not answering my question. [1:04:54] No, but you don't understand [1:04:55] what I'm saying. [1:04:56] No, no, no. [1:04:56] No, no, but Mehdi, let me ask you... [1:04:58] You want me to acknowledge that? [1:04:58] No, but look, let's give credit [1:05:00] to, for instance, [1:05:01] when Mamdani goes to the White House. [1:05:03] You and I both gave credit [1:05:04] to both of them [1:05:05] for being diplomatic, right? [1:05:07] Yeah. [1:05:08] Do you think Iranian leadership [1:05:09] with the IRGC is diplomatic? [1:05:10] No. [1:05:11] They've been horrific [1:05:12] in their leadership. [1:05:13] I think they've... [1:05:14] Again, they've given themselves... [1:05:15] They've given their opponents [1:05:16] a stick with which to beat them. [1:05:17] I was a big critic [1:05:18] of Ahmadinejad back in the day. [1:05:19] He said dumb things. [1:05:20] So do you think Khomeini [1:05:21] was good for Iran? [1:05:23] Do I think Khomeini was good for Iran? [1:05:24] Do you think Khomeini [1:05:24] was good for Iran? [1:05:26] No, in hindsight, of course not. [1:05:27] If you look at the record today... [1:05:28] So then we're on the same... [1:05:29] What I'm trying to do is... [1:05:31] I've said this before. [1:05:31] I went on Piers Morgan's show. [1:05:32] Just to be clear, [1:05:33] for people who don't know, [1:05:34] I'm Shia. [1:05:34] I'm a Shia. [1:05:35] I know you're Shia. [1:05:36] Which is the majority religion in Iran. [1:05:37] Sure. [1:05:38] Right? [1:05:38] So I do... [1:05:39] But there are two types of Shias. [1:05:41] This is a very crude... [1:05:42] I'm trying to explain to your audience. [1:05:44] Religiously, theologically, [1:05:45] politically, [1:05:45] there's two types of Shias. [1:05:46] There are those who believe [1:05:47] in what's called [1:05:48] Vilayat al-Faqi, WF. [1:05:50] They believe that Khomeini... [1:05:51] This was a political theory, [1:05:52] some say a religious theory [1:05:53] pushed by Ayatollah Khomeini [1:05:54] that said that the clerics, [1:05:56] the Ayatollahs, [1:05:57] the Mullahs, [1:06:01] that is the model [1:06:01] that Iran has followed. [1:06:02] There is another school of thought [1:06:03] that comes out of Iraq, [1:06:04] mainly out of a city called Najif, [1:06:06] and Ayatollah Khalsiistani, [1:06:07] who is the leading Shia Ayatollah [1:06:08] in Iraq today. [1:06:09] And they say, [1:06:10] no, no, [1:06:11] we are all for religion. [1:06:12] We're all, you know, [1:06:12] we want everyone to practice Islam, [1:06:14] Shia Islam, [1:06:15] but we're not going to rule. [1:06:16] After the American toppled Saddam, [1:06:19] Ayatollah Khalsiistani did not do a Khomeini. [1:06:20] He did not say, [1:06:21] I'm going to become Supreme Leader of Iraq. [1:06:23] He said, [1:06:23] have elections, [1:06:24] democracy, [1:06:25] vote. [1:06:25] I'm going to stay in my house [1:06:26] and I'm going to give you advice, [1:06:27] religious advice, [1:06:28] when you need it. [1:06:31] I don't follow the Ayatollah Khomeini [1:06:33] view of the world. [1:06:34] So when you say to me, [1:06:34] was he good for Iran [1:06:35] as a governmental system? [1:06:37] No, [1:06:37] I don't support the governing system [1:06:38] of Iran the way it is. [1:06:39] But you're changing the subject. [1:06:41] You're avoiding the, [1:06:42] you are. [1:06:42] I'm not. [1:06:43] There was an eight year war. [1:06:44] We were talking about Iran's economy. [1:06:45] I live there. [1:06:45] Trust me, [1:06:45] I live there. [1:06:46] I witnessed it. [1:06:47] I understand. [1:06:48] You should entertain the idea [1:06:49] of living in a Muslim majority country [1:06:50] and see what it's like. [1:06:51] I understand. [1:06:51] I live there. [1:06:52] You're jumping around. [1:06:53] I'm not. [1:06:54] You were talking about the economy. [1:06:55] Iraq, Iran. [1:06:56] I'll let you finish your thought [1:06:58] and then I'll go back [1:06:59] to my question that I have. [1:06:59] Go ahead, finish your thought. [1:07:00] I'm going to finish my thought. [1:07:01] Well, it doesn't, [1:07:01] it's a thought that requires [1:07:02] a response from you, [1:07:03] which is if there's an eight year war [1:07:05] that Iraq started [1:07:06] and we supported [1:07:07] that cost $600 billion to Iran, [1:07:10] that took out a million members [1:07:11] of their population [1:07:12] and then was followed [1:07:13] by crazy sanctions, [1:07:14] are you telling me then [1:07:15] that it's fair to compare [1:07:16] that economy with Abu Dhabi? [1:07:19] Are you seriously telling me [1:07:20] that's a fair comparison? [1:07:20] Can you go back [1:07:21] and go back to that chart again, [1:07:22] Rob, for me? [1:07:23] So you just defended Iraq, right? [1:07:26] That we backed up Iraq. [1:07:28] Yes. [1:07:28] That went against Iran. [1:07:29] Yeah. [1:07:30] How come they're not [1:07:31] on the top GDP per capita [1:07:33] on this list? [1:07:34] Do you know what happened [1:07:35] to Iraq after the Iran- [1:07:36] Iraq war? [1:07:36] Oh, so now you have another reason. [1:07:37] It's America's fault again. [1:07:38] I mean, do you study history, [1:07:40] but do you know [1:07:40] what happened in 1991? [1:07:41] No, no. [1:07:42] We did a gulf, [1:07:42] there's a gulf, [1:07:43] Saddam idiotically invaded Kuwait. [1:07:45] This is a victimhood language [1:07:45] for you to say. [1:07:46] So on one end, [1:07:47] Wow. [1:07:48] No, on one end, [1:07:49] you're saying this, [1:07:49] on the other end, [1:07:50] you're saying no, [1:07:50] it's because of this. [1:07:51] You're comparing countries, [1:07:52] you're showing me a graph [1:07:53] comparing countries [1:07:54] that have never been bombed, [1:07:55] invaded, [1:07:59] and then you say, [1:08:00] why is the GDP per capita [1:08:01] higher in one, [1:08:01] not the other? [1:08:02] That's an insane comparison. [1:08:03] Why have they made [1:08:04] so much progress? [1:08:06] Why? [1:08:06] They're Muslim majority. [1:08:08] Yeah. [1:08:08] Okay, why have they [1:08:09] made so much progress? [1:08:10] I mean, [1:08:10] and by the way, [1:08:11] at this point, [1:08:11] just so you know, [1:08:12] the argument is now [1:08:13] not about Muslim. [1:08:13] I know it's not. [1:08:14] I know, [1:08:15] but the argument is [1:08:15] why are some winning, [1:08:17] some are not? [1:08:17] And I explained, [1:08:18] war plays a big role in this. [1:08:20] Well, Mehdi, [1:08:20] a part of it makes sense. [1:08:21] I just pointed out to you, [1:08:22] the three biggest refugee groups [1:08:23] on the boats going into England [1:08:25] are Iran, [1:08:26] Iraq, [1:08:26] Afghanistan. [1:08:27] Coincidence? [1:08:28] No, those are war-torn countries. [1:08:30] I'm not disputing that. [1:08:31] What I'm trying to tell you [1:08:32] is even with that, [1:08:33] if you sit here and say [1:08:34] every single time [1:08:35] everything is America's fault, [1:08:37] what responsibility [1:08:38] do they take? [1:08:40] Do they take any responsibility [1:08:41] that they're not making [1:08:42] a right decision for other people? [1:08:43] Just to be clear, [1:08:44] people can rewind. [1:08:45] Rob does screenshots, [1:08:46] but people on watching [1:08:47] on YouTube can rewind. [1:08:48] Never did I say [1:08:49] it's all America's fault. [1:08:50] I've never said that. [1:08:51] I'm very, [1:08:52] have you read, [1:08:52] you said you've read my stuff. [1:08:53] You've seen my stuff. [1:08:54] I've seen your stuff. [1:08:54] I'm very critical [1:08:55] of Muslim majority countries. [1:08:57] I am very critical [1:08:58] of the Iranian government. [1:08:59] I'm very critical [1:08:59] of the Saudi government. [1:09:00] I'm very critical [1:09:00] of the Emirati government. [1:09:01] What do you think they can do? [1:09:02] I do a show for Al Jazeera [1:09:03] and I grilled the Qatari [1:09:04] foreign minister on that show [1:09:05] about the lack of democracy. [1:09:07] Dude, I've seen your stuff. [1:09:07] I'm critical of Arab governments, [1:09:09] Muslim governments, [1:09:10] Pakistan. [1:09:11] Do you think [1:09:12] the Middle East [1:09:13] is a safer place [1:09:15] with IRGC [1:09:16] in charge of running America [1:09:17] or somebody like [1:09:18] Pazeshkian? [1:09:19] More of the moderates. [1:09:19] Of course, [1:09:20] I'm more of a moderate. [1:09:21] I would like to see. [1:09:21] And again, [1:09:22] who undermined the moderates [1:09:23] in Iran? [1:09:24] Sorry. [1:09:25] It's going to be [1:09:25] the answer you don't like [1:09:26] of the United States of America. [1:09:27] No, no, I disagree. [1:09:28] The United States of America. [1:09:29] No, I disagree. [1:09:29] I don't think that's the case. [1:09:30] Who did? [1:09:30] Israel. [1:09:31] Oh, well. [1:09:32] No, no, I don't put it on. [1:09:32] Our proxy then. [1:09:33] No, but listen to my, [1:09:35] you were not expecting my answer. [1:09:36] No, because I don't accept [1:09:37] this fake split [1:09:38] between U.S. and Israel. [1:09:39] But this is not it. [1:09:39] But let me tell you what's going on. [1:09:40] I do. [1:09:41] Because what I see going on right now [1:09:42] is I see Israel [1:09:44] in a way I actually like [1:09:45] what's taking place. [1:09:47] Let me explain to you [1:09:47] why I like what's taking place. [1:09:49] A part of what's going on [1:09:50] right now [1:09:51] is the world [1:09:53] is able to see [1:09:55] Bibi's motive [1:09:56] versus Trump's motive. [1:09:59] Like you remember [1:09:59] that one time [1:10:00] when the Trump and Bibi [1:10:01] are on stage speaking [1:10:02] and he's saying, [1:10:03] yeah, we're thinking [1:10:04] about taking over Gaza [1:10:05] and we're going to build [1:10:06] a hotel here. [1:10:07] And then you see Bibi [1:10:08] goes like, wait, what? [1:10:10] You never told me that. [1:10:11] He kind of got, [1:10:12] I don't know if you remember [1:10:12] that session or not. [1:10:13] The West Bank equivalent. [1:10:14] So a part of it for me, [1:10:16] I like that this is happening [1:10:17] because I prefer this [1:10:18] to be in the public's eye. [1:10:20] I prefer for Trump [1:10:21] to show, hey, listen, [1:10:23] if I want to go become [1:10:24] a prime minister of Israel, [1:10:25] I would do it. [1:10:25] You're there just because of me. [1:10:26] I like him saying that publicly. [1:10:28] All right. [1:10:28] I like that that is taking place. [1:10:30] But to me, [1:10:31] who wants IRGC to be gone? [1:10:34] It's a couple of things. [1:10:35] On the Trump point, [1:10:36] I agree it's better [1:10:37] these things happen in public [1:10:38] and there is a weird upside [1:10:39] to Trump having such a big mouth [1:10:41] and saying crazy shit [1:10:41] all the time. [1:10:42] There is a pro to that. [1:10:43] I get that. [1:10:44] But let's not forget, Patrick, [1:10:45] you saw the New York Times [1:10:46] big piece [1:10:47] where we discovered [1:10:49] from Jonathan Haber, [1:10:50] Maggie Haberman [1:10:51] and Jonathan Swan [1:10:52] that Benjamin Netanyahu [1:10:53] went to the Situation Room [1:10:55] and made the case to Trump [1:10:56] with Mossad [1:10:57] joining via Zoom [1:10:59] or wherever it was [1:11:00] and he persuaded Trump [1:11:01] that this will be [1:11:02] a walk in the park, [1:11:02] cakewalk, [1:11:03] all of that shit. [1:11:04] That happened in private. [1:11:05] What's your percentage [1:11:05] that that happened? [1:11:06] That happened in private. [1:11:07] What's your percentage [1:11:07] that that happened? [1:11:08] High percentage. [1:11:08] Give me a number, 80%? [1:11:09] 80%. [1:11:10] I'm 50-50 [1:11:10] that that happened. [1:11:11] Okay. [1:11:11] You think Trump did it [1:11:12] on his own [1:11:12] without next year? [1:11:13] No, no, no. [1:11:13] I said I'm 50-50 [1:11:14] meaning I believe [1:11:15] there's a 50% chance [1:11:16] because... [1:11:17] But you don't deny [1:11:18] that behind the scenes [1:11:19] the Israelis are putting [1:11:19] pressure on the U.S.? [1:11:20] Of course I know. [1:11:21] Okay. [1:11:21] So then to come back [1:11:22] to your broader point... [1:11:22] But I don't think he's Bush. [1:11:24] I don't think he's Obama. [1:11:25] I don't think he's Biden. [1:11:26] I don't think he's those guys. [1:11:28] In many ways, he's worse. [1:11:29] No, no, no. [1:11:30] I don't think he is. [1:11:31] He doesn't have any [1:11:31] independent views. [1:11:32] The one thing I know [1:11:33] with you, Mehdi, [1:11:34] is the fact that [1:11:35] no matter what he does, [1:11:36] he's not going to get [1:11:37] victory from you. [1:11:38] We have to put those two... [1:11:39] Again, you can go back [1:11:40] on YouTube, rewind an hour. [1:11:41] I said if he restrains [1:11:42] Netanyahu in Gaza and Lebanon... [1:11:44] You said if... [1:11:44] He won't. [1:11:45] I know he won't. [1:11:45] No, I understand. [1:11:46] But have you ever given him [1:11:47] any credit for anything he's done? [1:11:49] When we set out [1:11:50] to create a shoe [1:11:50] that blends comfort, [1:11:52] function, and luxury, [1:11:54] we had the choice [1:11:55] to make it fast. [1:11:56] We had the choice [1:11:57] to make it cheap. [1:11:59] We chose neither. [1:12:00] Instead, we chose Tuscanyero. [1:12:02] We chose true [1:12:03] Italian craftsmanship. [1:12:05] Each pair touched [1:12:06] by 50 skilled hands. [1:12:08] We chose patience, [1:12:09] spending two years [1:12:10] perfecting every detail, [1:12:12] and we chose the finest quality [1:12:13] at every step. [1:12:16] Introducing [1:12:16] the Future Looks Bright collection. [1:12:19] Not rushed, [1:12:21] not disposable, [1:12:22] not ordinary. [1:12:23] Rather intentional, [1:12:26] luxurious, [1:12:27] timeless. [1:12:33] In the first term, [1:12:34] I wrote a piece [1:12:35] for The Intercept. [1:12:35] I got a lot of shit for it [1:12:36] because I said, [1:12:37] credit where credit's due, [1:12:38] he's going to withdraw [1:12:38] from Afghanistan. [1:12:39] Remember, [1:12:39] he laid out that timeline [1:12:40] that Biden then [1:12:41] got attacked for following. [1:12:42] It was a Trump timeline [1:12:43] to pull out of Afghanistan. [1:12:44] The way he did it. [1:12:44] The way he did it. [1:12:45] Trump would have done it better? [1:12:46] Come on. [1:12:46] It was always going to be [1:12:47] a disaster, [1:12:48] no matter how you pull out [1:12:48] of Afghanistan. [1:12:49] There was many, [1:12:50] many, many military personnel [1:12:51] said there was better [1:12:52] ways to leave. [1:12:52] No, I don't agree on that. [1:12:53] Many, many military personnel. [1:12:54] Can I come back to your [1:12:55] wider point? [1:12:56] Tell me. [1:12:56] Oh, my God, [1:12:57] he's showing me. [1:12:57] I need to take a shower now. [1:12:58] Bravo, Donald Trump [1:12:59] is the headline. [1:12:59] Rob's too fast. [1:13:00] All right, [1:13:00] so let me come back [1:13:01] to the wider point. [1:13:02] Forget Trump. [1:13:02] I always knew. [1:13:03] I introduced him properly [1:13:04] at the beginning. [1:13:05] Big MAGA supporter. [1:13:07] That's 2020. [1:13:07] Six years ago. [1:13:08] We all grow, evolve, [1:13:09] learn from our mistakes. [1:13:10] So the broader point [1:13:11] about America and Israel, [1:13:12] Iran, [1:13:12] to go back to your IRGC point. [1:13:14] Forget Trump for a moment. [1:13:14] Let's just take [1:13:15] U.S. foreign policy [1:13:15] as a whole. [1:13:16] When you say it's Israel, [1:13:17] I don't accept that. [1:13:18] I think this new thing [1:13:19] on the right [1:13:20] where you say, [1:13:21] you know, [1:13:22] Tucker Carlson, [1:13:22] Joe Kent, [1:13:23] all this line, [1:13:23] which is like, [1:13:24] America's good. [1:13:25] It's bad, bad Israel [1:13:26] making good, good America. [1:13:27] I'm not saying you did, [1:13:27] but I'm saying others, [1:13:28] it's becoming a very [1:13:29] consensus, [1:13:30] which is America's really good [1:13:31] and then evil Israel [1:13:32] comes on [1:13:33] and makes good America [1:13:34] do bad things. [1:13:35] We need to take agency [1:13:36] and responsibility. [1:13:36] We are the superpower. [1:13:38] And when Israel's murdering [1:13:40] Iranian nuclear scientists [1:13:41] or murdering Iranian diplomats [1:13:42] who might do a deal with them, [1:13:44] we have to take ownership for that. [1:13:45] They don't do that [1:13:46] without an American green light. [1:13:48] They didn't kill Khamenei [1:13:49] without an American green light. [1:13:50] They don't do shit [1:13:51] without an American green light. [1:13:52] So I don't buy this idea [1:13:53] that Israel is some rogue force, [1:13:55] going back to the Barack Ravid point [1:13:57] about there's all these splits [1:13:58] between the president [1:13:59] and the prime minister. [1:13:59] Nine times out of 10, [1:14:01] Americans are on the same page. [1:14:02] One time out of 10, [1:14:03] they're on a different page. [1:14:05] Yeah. [1:14:05] So we had moderate presidents [1:14:07] in Iran. [1:14:08] They got screwed over. [1:14:08] Qatami, Rouhani. [1:14:10] They got screwed over [1:14:10] by Western governments [1:14:12] that wouldn't do a nuclear deal. [1:14:13] Israel went out [1:14:13] and killed the 50 guys. [1:14:15] You know, [1:14:15] we could have worked together, [1:14:16] whatever they kept. [1:14:17] And Trump kept saying, [1:14:18] everybody we're negotiating [1:14:19] with, they're killing them. [1:14:19] Who's they? [1:14:20] Who's he saying they? [1:14:20] And you think Israel can do that [1:14:21] if Trump wanted them to stop? [1:14:22] Come on. [1:14:23] No, no, no. [1:14:23] What I'm saying to you is [1:14:25] Israel, [1:14:25] when they get their intel [1:14:27] and they want to take somebody out, [1:14:28] you remember the pagers. [1:14:29] They got very good intel. [1:14:30] They don't have a problem [1:14:30] going and doing what they're doing. [1:14:32] I understand Israel's motive. [1:14:34] So do I? [1:14:34] I understand Israel's motive. [1:14:36] But I'm saying they get [1:14:36] a green light from the U.S. [1:14:37] I don't think as much [1:14:39] under him as others. [1:14:40] I do think they're an ally [1:14:41] for the Middle East. [1:14:42] And I'm not, [1:14:43] like, you're a business guy now. [1:14:44] You're a capitalist. [1:14:45] So one of the things [1:14:45] you'll experience, [1:14:46] because you're a capitalist. [1:14:47] There's nothing wrong. [1:14:48] You should be proud of it. [1:14:49] You should be, [1:14:49] look at the smile on your face. [1:14:50] You're making more money [1:14:51] than ever before. [1:14:52] It's a good line. [1:14:56] I'm making more money. [1:14:57] That's good. [1:14:57] There's nothing wrong. [1:14:58] We should be proud of it. [1:14:59] Did I say that? [1:15:00] That's not my definition. [1:15:01] But here's where I'm going with this. [1:15:02] In the last couple of years [1:15:03] since you've been private, [1:15:05] how many opportunities [1:15:06] have you had to do deals with people? [1:15:08] Many. [1:15:08] Many. [1:15:09] When you're on the call, [1:15:10] do you know their motives? [1:15:11] No. [1:15:12] Their motives are typically [1:15:13] beneficial to who? [1:15:14] Themselves. [1:15:14] Themselves. [1:15:15] Is that something [1:15:16] that you and I [1:15:17] would be surprised with? [1:15:17] No. [1:15:18] Why are you here today? [1:15:19] Why do I have you on today? [1:15:21] It's going to be a good show for us. [1:15:22] Why are you on here today? [1:15:23] You don't live down the street. [1:15:24] You came. [1:15:24] There's a motive. [1:15:25] Yes. [1:15:25] Both of us have a motive. [1:15:26] So both of us are winning [1:15:27] from this exchange that we have. [1:15:29] Okay. [1:15:30] In that sense, [1:15:31] the way they negotiate, [1:15:33] then it goes to [1:15:34] who's the better negotiator. [1:15:35] Then it goes to [1:15:36] who gave up more. [1:15:37] Then it goes to [1:15:37] all the other stuff [1:15:38] that you've got to go through [1:15:39] and you've got to make adjustments. [1:15:40] Well, Trump is a horrible negotiator [1:15:41] and as Benjamin Netanyahu said, [1:15:43] these are Benjamin Netanyahu's words. [1:15:44] For 40 years, [1:15:46] I've dreamt of attacking Iran. [1:15:47] He's the only president [1:15:48] who would listen to me. [1:15:49] Those are Netanyahu's words. [1:15:50] I'm paraphrasing. [1:15:50] For 40 years, [1:15:51] Trump said in 1987, [1:15:53] he would go and take over Carrick Island. [1:15:55] He said that in 85. [1:15:57] You make it seem like [1:15:57] this guy's not an independent thinker. [1:15:59] Well, he's not an independent thinker. [1:16:00] Trump said that in 85. [1:16:01] Hold on. [1:16:02] He also said, [1:16:03] none of us knew [1:16:03] they would hit the Strait of Hormuz. [1:16:05] None of us knew [1:16:05] they would hit the Gulf countries. [1:16:06] You idiot. [1:16:07] Everyone knew this. [1:16:08] You can't give him credit [1:16:08] that he said this 40 years ago. [1:16:10] Yeah. [1:16:10] I don't know how he got that one thing [1:16:11] consistent. [1:16:13] Oh, yeah. [1:16:13] I don't know how this one thing he did. [1:16:15] I don't know how he came back [1:16:17] and won an election. [1:16:18] Trump asked me to give him credit. [1:16:20] The Iran war, [1:16:21] you praised him on day one [1:16:22] of the Iran war. [1:16:22] Would you accept today [1:16:23] it's been an absolute disaster [1:16:24] because Donald Trump [1:16:25] is not a war leader. [1:16:27] He doesn't understand foreign policy. [1:16:28] He doesn't understand war. [1:16:29] He just said this week, [1:16:30] I'm bored. [1:16:31] You know what he said this week? [1:16:31] I'm bored of all this. [1:16:32] Mehdi. [1:16:33] Like a child. [1:16:33] Mehdi, let me tell you where it is. [1:16:35] You know, [1:16:35] I have a local doctor [1:16:38] I want you to go see. [1:16:39] He specializes in TDS [1:16:41] and I think you would work [1:16:42] very well with him. [1:16:43] Over a six-month period, [1:16:45] he'll be able to get rid of your TDS. [1:16:46] I have a guy who's a psychologist [1:16:47] and he deals with cult members. [1:16:49] And I think he'll do well [1:16:50] with you guys [1:16:51] who can't get out of a Trump cult. [1:16:53] See, the difference... [1:16:53] I asked you, [1:16:54] I gave you an opportunity [1:16:55] in front of your audience [1:16:56] to criticize Trump on Iran. [1:16:57] You can't do it. [1:16:58] I will. [1:16:58] It's been a disaster. [1:16:58] Can I tell you? [1:16:59] Please. [1:16:59] The difference between you and I [1:17:01] is I will sit there [1:17:02] and I'll give credit [1:17:04] and I'll criticize. [1:17:05] I'll give him credit. [1:17:06] What should I give him credit for? [1:17:07] I am more supportive [1:17:08] of him than you are. [1:17:09] What should I give him credit for? [1:17:10] Because the longer [1:17:10] you're a capitalist, [1:17:12] you're going to like, [1:17:12] you're going to want somebody [1:17:14] that's pro-capitalism. [1:17:15] The economy's horrific under him. [1:17:17] My business is doing badly [1:17:18] because of him. [1:17:19] Because of the war? [1:17:20] Who started the war? [1:17:21] He did. [1:17:22] I take ownership [1:17:23] that he started the war. [1:17:24] So when you say give him credit, [1:17:25] what should I give him credit for? [1:17:26] You're going to allow me [1:17:27] to finish my thought. [1:17:27] Please. [1:17:28] Did you give him credit for Venezuela? [1:17:29] No, of course not. [1:17:30] Illegal action. [1:17:31] So that's also no. [1:17:32] He broke international law, [1:17:33] American law, [1:17:34] the Constitution. [1:17:35] So that's a no for you as well. [1:17:37] He killed a grandmother. [1:17:37] Let me ask you a question. [1:17:38] And he brought this guy [1:17:39] into a court case [1:17:39] that he might lose. [1:17:40] If they take over Cuba, [1:17:41] would that be a victory [1:17:42] in your eyes? [1:17:42] So give it already, [1:17:43] criticism up front. [1:17:44] You think I'm supporting, [1:17:45] you want me to come here [1:17:45] to Florida [1:17:46] and support imperialism? [1:17:47] You support imperialism. [1:17:48] So, so, so. [1:17:49] You support just invading [1:17:50] other countries. [1:17:51] So, so you go back, [1:17:53] you go, criminal? [1:17:54] Well, how the hell [1:17:54] you think America got so big? [1:17:55] What do you think they did? [1:17:56] It was an expansionist, [1:17:57] James Polk ideology [1:17:59] of let's go out [1:17:59] and buy all these other places. [1:18:00] Was there international law, [1:18:01] the UN charter, [1:18:02] the Geneva conventions [1:18:03] at the time? [1:18:03] But, but you're, [1:18:04] you're sitting here [1:18:05] complaining about [1:18:06] something like this [1:18:07] where you're living [1:18:08] in a country. [1:18:09] It's because of the byproduct [1:18:10] of the visionaries [1:18:11] previous to us [1:18:11] that they made it [1:18:12] what it is today. [1:18:13] Why do you feel so safe here? [1:18:14] Bizarre argument. [1:18:15] Why do you feel so safe here? [1:18:16] Because we once got Alaska, [1:18:17] we should go conquer Cuba. [1:18:18] No, that's not what I tell you. [1:18:20] Sounds like it. [1:18:20] If they're expanding, [1:18:22] I don't mind [1:18:22] an expansionist president. [1:18:23] I don't mind it. [1:18:24] You like imperialism. [1:18:25] How are you different [1:18:26] to the IRGC? [1:18:26] I don't mind an expansionist. [1:18:27] How are you different [1:18:28] to the IRGC? [1:18:28] Are you kidding me? [1:18:29] Everyone says, [1:18:29] Islamic revolutionary government, [1:18:31] everything is above, [1:18:33] but God tells them [1:18:34] what to do [1:18:34] and Maribad on Brikad, [1:18:36] death upon America? [1:18:36] They're accused [1:18:37] of being expansionist, [1:18:38] of trying to take over [1:18:39] the Middle East. [1:18:39] That's the big allegation [1:18:41] that the Gulf states [1:18:41] make against Iran. [1:18:43] And yet, [1:18:43] you're sitting here saying, [1:18:44] but we should take over [1:18:45] the Western Hemisphere. [1:18:46] By the way, [1:18:47] do you know what I've actually [1:18:48] said? [1:18:48] I'm not imperialist. [1:18:49] Let me ask you a question. [1:18:51] Insane that we're having [1:18:51] a conversation about imperialism. [1:18:52] How many subscribers [1:18:53] do you have with your channel [1:18:53] right now that are paying you? [1:18:54] On Substack? [1:18:55] On Substack. [1:18:56] I'm not going to say that number. [1:18:57] Let's say it's 100,000 people. [1:18:59] There you go. [1:18:59] It's not, sadly. [1:19:00] Okay, but let's just say [1:19:01] you have 50 to 100,000 people. [1:19:02] You're doing well. [1:19:03] You're making good money. [1:19:04] Okay. [1:19:05] Have you taken any viewership [1:19:06] from anybody else? [1:19:08] What do you mean? [1:19:08] Are people watching you [1:19:10] that used to watch [1:19:10] somebody else on YouTube? [1:19:11] What an expansionist you are. [1:19:13] What a shameful expansionist [1:19:16] capitalist. [1:19:16] I've been with you [1:19:17] for one hour and 20 minutes. [1:19:18] Bullshit, matey. [1:19:18] This guy's expanding [1:19:20] his YouTube channel, [1:19:20] but God forbid [1:19:21] anybody else does it. [1:19:23] I've waited an hour, [1:19:23] 20 minutes for you [1:19:24] to say the dumbest thing [1:19:25] with respect, Patrick. [1:19:27] That is not an analogy. [1:19:28] I've noticed every time [1:19:29] you say the dumbest things [1:19:30] is when you're cornered. [1:19:31] What do you mean [1:19:32] you're expanding? [1:19:32] That is the worst analogy. [1:19:33] You're expanding, by the way. [1:19:34] Did I go into [1:19:35] the New York Times? [1:19:36] Hold on. [1:19:37] You're expanding. [1:19:38] Did I walk into [1:19:39] the New York Times [1:19:39] and abduct the editor-in-chief [1:19:41] of the New York Times [1:19:42] and put a bag over his head [1:19:43] and take him out [1:19:44] in order to undermine [1:19:45] the New York Times? [1:19:46] Do you have any employees? [1:19:46] Yes. [1:19:47] How many of them [1:19:47] came volunteer? [1:19:48] How many of them [1:19:48] did you recruit [1:19:49] and hire away [1:19:49] from another company? [1:19:50] How many of them [1:19:50] did I get with a gun [1:19:51] and a special forces team? [1:19:53] You're making [1:19:53] a ridiculous analogy. [1:19:55] You expand as a business. [1:19:56] That's the same [1:19:57] as illegally occupying [1:19:58] other people's land. [1:19:59] What la-la land [1:20:00] are you living in? [1:20:01] What do you think [1:20:02] happened to this world? [1:20:03] The world of law. [1:20:03] What do you think [1:20:04] happened to this world? [1:20:05] You do realize [1:20:05] the problem that [1:20:06] the MAGA folks have [1:20:06] when they say this is [1:20:07] you lose any credibility [1:20:08] to criticize anyone else. [1:20:09] You can't criticize Iran then. [1:20:11] You can't criticize Hamas. [1:20:12] And I don't. [1:20:13] You don't criticize Hamas? [1:20:13] No, I don't criticize. [1:20:15] If you're able to expand... [1:20:16] So if Hamas goes into Israel, [1:20:18] you're for that? [1:20:18] It's not about [1:20:19] if I'm for that or not. [1:20:20] If you're able [1:20:21] to successfully do it, [1:20:22] that's your vision. [1:20:23] I know I have to [1:20:24] defend against it. [1:20:25] What do you think [1:20:25] companies do? [1:20:26] How do you think [1:20:27] companies work? [1:20:28] What do you think [1:20:28] companies are supposed to do? [1:20:29] I think it's insane [1:20:30] that you're comparing [1:20:31] business expansion [1:20:33] to us going around the world [1:20:34] killing people? [1:20:35] Manny, why do you think [1:20:36] we have military? [1:20:37] For what? [1:20:37] To defend ourselves. [1:20:38] Against what? [1:20:38] Threats. [1:20:39] Against another one [1:20:40] trying to expand. [1:20:40] But you want to be the threat. [1:20:41] I'm not saying that. [1:20:42] You think Cuba's [1:20:42] trying to expand right now? [1:20:43] No, no, no. [1:20:44] You think Cuba's [1:20:45] trying to expand? [1:20:45] Where are they expanding to? [1:20:46] Miami? [1:20:47] No, no. [1:20:48] You've been living [1:20:48] in Miami too long. [1:20:49] By the way, maybe... [1:20:49] I think you've been [1:20:50] drinking too much Miami water [1:20:51] too long. [1:20:51] I should rarely go to Miami. [1:20:52] Maybe that's their fault. [1:20:54] Maybe that's their fault. [1:20:55] What's their fault? [1:20:55] Maybe their ideology of communism [1:20:57] created a poor country [1:20:58] and their people want something better. [1:20:59] But that doesn't give us [1:21:00] the right to go [1:21:00] and take over the country. [1:21:01] How do you think [1:21:01] all this stuff happened in history? [1:21:03] Okay, lots of things [1:21:04] happened in history [1:21:04] that weren't right. [1:21:05] Yeah, but guess what? [1:21:06] This is 2026. [1:21:07] Dude, you understand. [1:21:08] You've taken market share [1:21:10] from other people. [1:21:12] Your viewers were [1:21:13] somebody else's viewers [1:21:14] that came to you. [1:21:14] So you support... [1:21:15] Kudos to you. [1:21:16] So you want a... [1:21:17] Just to be clear, [1:21:17] you want some kind of [1:21:18] law of the jungle [1:21:19] where might is right, [1:21:20] power... [1:21:20] What do you think [1:21:21] the law is? [1:21:22] You're fine with it. [1:21:22] But what do you think [1:21:23] the law is? [1:21:23] I noticed you don't answer [1:21:24] any question. [1:21:25] It's a very simple question. [1:21:26] Yes or no? [1:21:26] Do you support [1:21:27] a law of the jungle [1:21:27] where might is right? [1:21:29] Do you believe [1:21:29] in non-competes? [1:21:30] You can't answer [1:21:31] a question with a question. [1:21:32] You have to answer [1:21:32] the question. [1:21:33] Do you support [1:21:34] a might is right view [1:21:35] where law of the jungle, [1:21:36] whoever's powerful [1:21:36] gets to do what they want? [1:21:37] I'm trying to find... [1:21:38] No, no. [1:21:39] I'll answer it for you. [1:21:40] I'm trying to find out [1:21:41] what other law [1:21:42] of the land [1:21:43] you think we live in. [1:21:44] Help me understand. [1:21:45] We have domestic law. [1:21:46] We have international law. [1:21:47] We have criminal law. [1:21:48] What is the... [1:21:49] I don't know where you're living. [1:21:50] What do you use? [1:21:51] You've been in Florida [1:21:51] far too long. [1:21:52] Do you use ChatGPT [1:21:53] or do you use Claude? [1:21:54] Which do you use more? [1:21:55] Probably ChatGPT more. [1:21:57] ChatGPT more than Claude? [1:21:58] Okay. [1:21:59] Do you know [1:21:59] when it first started [1:21:59] who had the biggest market share? [1:22:01] ChatGPT. [1:22:02] Oh, who do you think [1:22:02] is killing it right now? [1:22:03] Claude. [1:22:03] Claude's picking it up. [1:22:04] Why? [1:22:05] Because they invaded [1:22:06] another country [1:22:07] and kidnapped the president? [1:22:07] Because they produced [1:22:08] a better product. [1:22:10] Did they... [1:22:10] Hold on. [1:22:11] Did... [1:22:12] Did... [1:22:12] Amade... [1:22:13] What's the guy's name? [1:22:13] Dario Amade? [1:22:14] What's his name? [1:22:15] The guy runs Claude. [1:22:16] Did he go into [1:22:16] Sam Altman's house [1:22:17] in the middle of the night, [1:22:18] take Sam Altman and his wife, [1:22:20] put bags on their heads [1:22:21] and fly them back [1:22:22] to his compound [1:22:22] and kill a grandmother [1:22:24] in the process? [1:22:24] That's the only difference. [1:22:24] The only difference is that [1:22:25] but war is next. [1:22:26] That is the big difference, Patrick. [1:22:27] I can't believe you don't see it. [1:22:28] No, no. [1:22:28] No, I understand [1:22:30] what you're saying [1:22:30] and the argument of that [1:22:31] but the reality of it is... [1:22:32] Answer the question. [1:22:33] Which is what? [1:22:33] Do you support a law [1:22:34] of the jungle [1:22:34] where the might is right? [1:22:35] Do you support a world? [1:22:36] Do you like living in a world? [1:22:37] Be specific. [1:22:38] Are you pro? [1:22:38] Do you support the idea [1:22:39] of living in a world [1:22:40] where powerful countries [1:22:41] should be able to do [1:22:41] what they want? [1:22:41] Can I ask you a question? [1:22:42] What country? [1:22:42] You keep answering a question [1:22:49] Go live in Iran! [1:22:51] Go live in Iraq! [1:22:52] I don't live here [1:22:52] because it's the most powerful country. [1:22:53] Why do you live here? [1:22:54] Because many reasons. [1:22:55] One is it's a country [1:22:56] that's governed by laws, [1:22:57] principles, free speech. [1:22:59] I love the First Amendment, [1:23:00] the Constitution. [1:23:01] I don't favor presidents [1:23:02] and people who say [1:23:04] we should just break the law [1:23:04] because we can. [1:23:05] I didn't say break the law. [1:23:06] What do you mean? [1:23:06] Taking over Cuba [1:23:07] is breaking the law. [1:23:08] UN Charter. [1:23:09] That's the law of the land. [1:23:10] If they come [1:23:11] and they try to take over... [1:23:14] Who's coming? [1:23:15] Whoever it is. [1:23:15] Trump's already talking about it. [1:23:16] Rubio's already talking about it. [1:23:17] The Cubans are not [1:23:18] taking over anything. [1:23:19] No, no. [1:23:19] Cubans are not taking over anything. [1:23:20] We are launching a war of aggression [1:23:22] like the Nazis. [1:23:23] Nuremberg called it. [1:23:24] You know what the Nuremberg Tribune [1:23:25] called a war of aggression? [1:23:26] I'm assuming... [1:23:27] The supreme international war crime. [1:23:28] Is it fair to say [1:23:29] you were against tariffs on day one? [1:23:31] Yes. [1:23:31] I was for tariffs. [1:23:33] Guess what Supreme Court ruled? [1:23:34] Against tariffs. [1:23:35] Okay, great. [1:23:36] Guess what? [1:23:37] You just. [1:23:37] Okay. [1:23:38] That's what happened. [1:23:39] If they go... [1:23:40] You want to live in a world [1:23:40] where Trump says [1:23:41] F the Supreme Court [1:23:42] and that's what J.D. Vance [1:23:43] has said on the record. [1:23:44] Not at all. [1:23:45] J.D. Vance has said this on the record. [1:23:46] But you just said [1:23:47] how the people [1:23:48] get to do what they want. [1:23:50] Look, let me tell you. [1:23:51] You said it. [1:23:51] Everyone can watch it. [1:23:52] Today, Trump's the president. [1:23:53] Okay? [1:23:54] A few years ago, [1:23:55] Biden was the president. [1:23:56] In 2028, [1:23:57] AOC could be the president. [1:23:58] Newsom could be the president. [1:23:59] Rubio could be the president. [1:24:01] Somebody else could be the president. [1:24:02] Right? [1:24:02] Every time the opposing side [1:24:04] is the president, [1:24:06] the opposing side [1:24:07] thinks it's the end of the world. [1:24:08] What ends up happening to America? [1:24:10] What ends up happening? [1:24:11] Bad things. [1:24:12] No, not necessarily. [1:24:13] Eventually goes back to normalcy [1:24:14] and it's like, [1:24:14] yeah, I'm going to go... [1:24:15] I look at the Trump first term [1:24:16] and I see half a million people [1:24:17] killed from COVID [1:24:17] because he couldn't handle a pandemic. [1:24:18] But do you know why, though? [1:24:19] Do you know why, though? [1:24:20] What protects America [1:24:21] the way it does? [1:24:23] I would argue [1:24:23] our law's constitution [1:24:24] is in people's history. [1:24:25] I agree. [1:24:26] And you're saying [1:24:26] I want to throw it all out [1:24:27] to have an imperialist nation. [1:24:29] If a leader comes in [1:24:30] that is a visionary leader [1:24:32] that wants to expand and grow [1:24:33] and he can do it [1:24:34] within his terms [1:24:35] and Supreme Court [1:24:36] and law allows it, [1:24:37] I don't mind him doing that. [1:24:39] First of all, [1:24:39] the Supreme Court law [1:24:40] doesn't allow it. [1:24:40] Venezuela was unconstitutional. [1:24:42] Congress declares war [1:24:43] in this country. [1:24:43] Yeah, then if that's the case, [1:24:45] well, we saw that [1:24:45] with the 60-day rule with Iran. [1:24:47] He's violated that. [1:24:47] I understand that. [1:24:48] And they're working around that [1:24:50] right now in different ways. [1:24:51] American law, [1:24:51] what about international law? [1:24:52] Even if the American Congress [1:24:54] votes to attack Cuba, [1:24:55] that doesn't make it legal [1:24:56] in international law. [1:24:58] You can't attack other countries. [1:24:59] Mehdi, let me ask you. [1:25:00] If, for instance, [1:25:01] tomorrow you'll say 9-11 was just... [1:25:03] Do you support 9-11? [1:25:04] Innocent... [1:25:04] Do you support 9-11? [1:25:06] Why? [1:25:06] Al-Qaeda could do it. [1:25:07] They did it. [1:25:08] According to your logic, [1:25:08] Al-Qaeda had everywhere to do it. [1:25:09] No, there's a difference [1:25:10] between me supporting it [1:25:12] and then them doing it [1:25:13] and then me retaliating to you. [1:25:14] Like right now, [1:25:15] if you and I were sitting... [1:25:16] But you don't think [1:25:16] it was illegal? [1:25:17] Do I? [1:25:18] Of course it's illegal. [1:25:19] Why? [1:25:19] According to you, [1:25:20] it doesn't matter. [1:25:20] No, no. [1:25:20] Of course it's illegal. [1:25:21] Also, 9-11's illegal, [1:25:22] but us attacking Cuba is legal. [1:25:24] I didn't tell you. [1:25:25] You never heard me say attacking. [1:25:27] If they can go [1:25:28] and take it over without attacking [1:25:29] and the laws allow it, [1:25:31] guess what? [1:25:31] I'm for it. [1:25:32] That's a whole different argument. [1:25:33] If the Cuban people vote in a referendum [1:25:35] to become the 51st state... [1:25:37] Don't spin right now [1:25:37] and make it seem like [1:25:38] I want to go kill people [1:25:39] and take stuff over. [1:25:40] You defended Venezuela. [1:25:41] We killed people to get them out. [1:25:42] I never said... [1:25:43] But by the way... [1:25:44] You said give him credit for Venezuela. [1:25:45] You did say that. [1:25:46] You don't think that was a good move? [1:25:47] No. [1:25:48] You don't think that was a good move? [1:25:49] No, I don't believe you. [1:25:50] I don't support regime change. [1:25:51] I don't support assassinating foreign leaders. [1:25:54] What did George Washington say? [1:25:55] Don't go abroad [1:25:56] looking for monsters to split. [1:25:57] Or was it Adams? [1:25:58] I forget. [1:25:59] Yeah, so you don't support what he did. [1:26:01] I do not support [1:26:02] the United States government [1:26:02] attacking foreign countries. [1:26:04] Especially the way they did it. [1:26:05] And killing foreign leaders. [1:26:06] Even if it has a good outcome, [1:26:07] I don't support it. [1:26:08] Because I support laws and principles. [1:26:10] Well, I do also support laws and principles. [1:26:12] But if you say you support laws and principles, [1:26:14] you're trying to tell me [1:26:15] Obama followed everything? [1:26:17] No. [1:26:17] You're telling me... [1:26:18] He violated the law in Libya. [1:26:19] I criticized him. [1:26:20] Every one of them. [1:26:20] Because I'm not in a cult, [1:26:22] I criticized Obama in 2011 [1:26:23] for doing Libya. [1:26:24] You know what's the difference [1:26:25] between you and I and them? [1:26:27] I criticize people on all sides. [1:26:29] You don't. [1:26:29] Yeah, we do. [1:26:30] We do it as well. [1:26:30] But you know what's the difference [1:26:31] between you and I and them? [1:26:33] Go on. [1:26:34] What's the difference? [1:26:35] You and I and who? [1:26:36] You and I talking, [1:26:37] giving our opinions [1:26:38] and Obama and Trump. [1:26:39] What's the difference [1:26:40] between you and I and them? [1:26:41] We're not politicians. [1:26:42] They made it into the White House. [1:26:43] Okay. [1:26:44] And so they're going to be able [1:26:45] to do whatever they're going to do. [1:26:46] You and I can talk about it, [1:26:47] give our opinions. [1:26:48] We don't have an imperial president yet. [1:26:49] We shouldn't have an imperial president. [1:26:50] That's why we have the freedom of speech [1:26:51] of giving our opinions. [1:26:52] We also have a vision of America, [1:26:55] which is supposed to be [1:26:55] a restrained commander-in-chief. [1:26:57] The founders came to this. [1:26:57] We're celebrating 250 years [1:26:59] of American history. [1:27:01] They came to this country. [1:27:01] Where? [1:27:02] For my old country, the UK, [1:27:03] to get away from a mad king, [1:27:05] not to recreate a mad king. [1:27:06] Okay. [1:27:07] So we can get past this. [1:27:08] I mean, maybe the next time [1:27:09] we'll do the podcast, [1:27:10] we'll do it in Cuba or Venezuela [1:27:11] just for the sake [1:27:13] of what we'll enjoy ourselves with. [1:27:15] Anyways, let me get [1:27:16] to the next story with you. [1:27:16] By the way, [1:27:17] Momdani Spencer Pratt, [1:27:19] what commonality do you see [1:27:20] between the two of them? [1:27:22] Very little. [1:27:23] Very little. [1:27:23] Very little. [1:27:24] Tell me why. [1:27:25] Because I know this is argument [1:27:26] that says all of these candidates [1:27:27] who make a lot of noise, [1:27:28] do well on social media, [1:27:30] are similar. [1:27:31] But I think people have underestimated [1:27:33] what Momdani is. [1:27:34] Momdani, yes, is charismatic, [1:27:35] had a great social media game. [1:27:37] I interviewed his team [1:27:38] that made his social videos. [1:27:40] Great people, smart people. [1:27:42] The video he did [1:27:42] where he jumped into the water [1:27:43] freezing cold to show [1:27:44] freeze the rents. [1:27:45] The video he did for Halal. [1:27:46] You're saying Momdani? [1:27:47] Momdani, Momdani. [1:27:48] His campaign was brilliant online. [1:27:50] No doubt about it. [1:27:51] The Halal inflation. [1:27:51] Maybe one of the best. [1:27:52] One of the best, yeah. [1:27:53] Maybe one of the best. [1:27:54] One of the best. [1:27:54] And the guy that's... [1:27:55] Came out of nowhere, one percent. [1:27:56] Yeah, I agree. [1:27:57] But what happens is [1:27:59] a lot of Democrats [1:27:59] took the wrong lesson from that. [1:28:01] They said, ah, [1:28:01] this guy is so good on social media. [1:28:03] We've got to hire the same people [1:28:04] who did his social media campaigns. [1:28:06] We've got to do videos. [1:28:06] Did you notice after Momdani [1:28:08] won the primary, [1:28:09] suddenly you saw [1:28:09] all these congressional Democrats primaries [1:28:11] making... [1:28:12] Walking down the same videos, [1:28:14] same cutaways, same... [1:28:15] And they think that's how [1:28:16] you replicate Momdani. [1:28:17] They misunderstand. [1:28:18] Momdani, yes, [1:28:19] the social media game [1:28:19] helped him get his message across, [1:28:21] helped him get the youth out. [1:28:21] But at the core of Momdani [1:28:23] was a very clear message. [1:28:25] And here's what I'm going to do. [1:28:25] I'm going to compare him to Trump [1:28:26] right now. [1:28:28] Careful. [1:28:28] I'm going to compare him to Trump. [1:28:30] Donald Trump... [1:28:30] I asked this question to everyone. [1:28:32] I can't get fired. [1:28:34] You're a capitalist. [1:28:34] You're free. [1:28:35] I'm free. [1:28:36] 2016, I say this to everyone [1:28:37] I talk to about politics. [1:28:38] I said, tell me. [1:28:39] I say this to leftists. [1:28:40] I say this to liberals. [1:28:41] I say this to Muslims. [1:28:42] I say this to non-Muslims. [1:28:43] Tell me what Donald Trump's [1:28:45] three main policies were in 2016. [1:28:48] What was it? [1:28:49] You tell me. [1:28:49] What was his slogan? [1:28:50] Do you remember what Donald Trump... [1:28:51] What did he run on? [1:28:51] When he fasted around, [1:28:52] what did he run on? [1:28:52] Get rid of these rapists [1:28:54] and all this stuff. [1:28:55] Ban Muslims. [1:28:56] Build a wall. [1:28:57] Remember that? [1:28:57] That was all his big lines. [1:28:58] Build a wall as one. [1:29:00] So we remember all those slogans. [1:29:01] Sure. [1:29:01] Yeah. [1:29:02] Right? [1:29:03] Do you remember what [1:29:03] Hillary Clinton's lines were? [1:29:05] No. [1:29:05] I'm for her. [1:29:07] And that's about it. [1:29:07] First female president. [1:29:09] But her own slogan. [1:29:10] She had a great, you know, [1:29:11] 77 page childcare proposal, [1:29:13] I'm sure. [1:29:13] I'm sure it's better than Trump's. [1:29:14] But people don't campaign like that. [1:29:16] And I think what Momdani did [1:29:17] is even now you ask me, [1:29:19] what is our Momdani run on? [1:29:20] Okay. [1:29:21] Freeze the rents. [1:29:21] Free buses. [1:29:22] Free childcare. [1:29:23] He was message discipline [1:29:24] around a set of policies [1:29:26] that people identified with [1:29:27] that helped with this [1:29:28] ridiculous affordability crisis [1:29:30] that made him seem like [1:29:31] he was in touch. [1:29:32] And I think if Democrats [1:29:33] only take away [1:29:34] or people in the media [1:29:35] only take away from Momdani [1:29:36] that, oh, the guy's slick. [1:29:37] He smiles well. [1:29:38] Trump loves him. [1:29:39] He does great social videos. [1:29:40] You don't think Pratt has that? [1:29:42] I don't think. [1:29:42] What's Pratt's main policy platform [1:29:45] that's going to get people out for him? [1:29:47] The fires, homelessness. [1:29:50] Everyone. [1:29:50] Everyone says they want to deal with that. [1:29:52] Yeah, but that's because [1:29:53] that's what's happening in the light. [1:29:53] The guy's a reality TV star. [1:29:54] I'm not a fan of reality TV stars [1:29:56] running for president. [1:29:56] I wrote a piece saying [1:29:57] Oprah should not run for president [1:29:58] years ago. [1:30:00] Although I have said [1:30:00] Jon Stewart should run in a primary. [1:30:02] Do you think Spencer Pratt [1:30:02] stands a chance? [1:30:04] Yes. [1:30:04] He does. [1:30:05] Because America's [1:30:06] fucked up right now. [1:30:07] Do you think Spencer Pratt [1:30:08] stands a chance? [1:30:08] Donald Trump is president [1:30:10] of the United States twice. [1:30:11] I'm never going to rule out [1:30:11] anything in this country. [1:30:13] I thought Trump [1:30:14] wouldn't win in 2016. [1:30:15] That's how dumb I was in 2016. [1:30:17] I don't do predictions anymore. [1:30:19] No, no. [1:30:19] 24. [1:30:19] I said he would win. [1:30:20] I said he's going to win [1:30:21] and he's going to be a fashion. [1:30:22] When did you say he'd win in 24? [1:30:23] All of 24. [1:30:24] I spent all of 24 warning. [1:30:25] Got it. [1:30:26] I said get rid of Biden. [1:30:27] I said Karl needs to change [1:30:28] her performance. [1:30:29] You think this is the new era? [1:30:31] You think that this is the new era [1:30:32] of types of people [1:30:32] that run for president? [1:30:33] Which before used to be [1:30:34] general, military, [1:30:35] all this stuff. [1:30:36] Yeah, I don't think [1:30:37] it's a good thing. [1:30:38] And I wrote this piece [1:30:38] when they were thinking [1:30:39] about Oprah. [1:30:40] Do you remember a few years ago [1:30:40] people were pushing Oprah [1:30:41] and I wrote a piece [1:30:42] for The Intercept saying [1:30:43] come on, no. [1:30:44] Let's not go down this road. [1:30:45] I do think you need [1:30:46] politicians with charisma [1:30:48] and that's why people [1:30:49] think of Hollywood stars. [1:30:50] That's why someone like [1:30:51] I love Jon Stewart. [1:30:52] I would love Jon Stewart [1:30:52] to run in a primary [1:30:53] just to shake things up. [1:30:54] He'd be fun. [1:30:55] I don't think he'd be [1:30:55] a great president [1:30:56] but I think him running [1:30:58] would just add to the race. [1:30:59] But my biggest problem is [1:31:00] I take politics seriously [1:31:02] to go back to. [1:31:03] I've been studying [1:31:03] I've been a political journalist [1:31:04] for 25 years. [1:31:05] This is your sport. [1:31:06] I did politics at university. [1:31:07] I did politics at high school. [1:31:08] I do debate. [1:31:08] I take this shit seriously [1:31:10] and it annoys me [1:31:11] when look at Donald Trump. [1:31:12] What did he say yesterday? [1:31:13] I'm bored. [1:31:14] I'm bored of the Iran negotiations [1:31:15] like a freaking child. [1:31:16] Right? [1:31:17] You cannot have people [1:31:17] who are unserious people. [1:31:18] You can't help yourself [1:31:19] candy with Trump. [1:31:20] Unserious people [1:31:21] in charge of our country's [1:31:23] Have you ever met him [1:31:23] by the way? [1:31:25] You've never met? [1:31:26] I've never met Donald Trump. [1:31:27] No. [1:31:28] Should I go to White House briefing? [1:31:29] No, I'm just trying to see [1:31:30] if you've ever met him. [1:31:31] Should I go to White House briefing [1:31:32] and try and get called on [1:31:33] by Caroline Leavitt? [1:31:34] I got a few questions. [1:31:36] Did I meet Biden? [1:31:37] I'm trying to think. [1:31:38] I was in an event with Biden. [1:31:39] I don't think I met him. [1:31:39] Obama? [1:31:40] No, he was before my time. [1:31:41] I arrived at the end [1:31:42] of his presidency. [1:31:43] Did you interview him? [1:31:43] I was in a room with Obama. [1:31:45] I interviewed a lot of his people, [1:31:45] Ben Rhodes, a lot of people around him. [1:31:47] Not him? [1:31:47] Not the president. [1:31:48] Okay, got it. [1:31:48] The president gave me an interview [1:31:49] then. [1:31:49] I was an out, yeah, no. [1:31:50] Got it. [1:31:51] Surprised you've never met Trump. [1:31:53] No. [1:31:53] Would you want to meet him? [1:31:54] I'm a journalist. [1:31:55] How would I not want to meet him? [1:31:56] I'd love to interview him. [1:31:56] What would you ask him? [1:31:57] What three questions would you ask him? [1:32:00] You sat with him. [1:32:07] I regard American interviewers [1:32:09] to be softball interviewers. [1:32:11] I'm from the UK [1:32:11] where we do tough interviews. [1:32:12] My biggest criticism [1:32:13] in the American media [1:32:14] is weak-ass interviews. [1:32:15] Nora O'Donnell [1:32:16] barely asked him anything [1:32:18] the other day. [1:32:18] The guy had a meltdown. [1:32:19] He's like, [1:32:19] you're so rude. [1:32:20] You're so rude. [1:32:21] You're so disgusting. [1:32:22] He just can't handle it. [1:32:24] He's got such a thin skin. [1:32:25] He's the whiniest leader [1:32:26] we've ever had. [1:32:27] Well, he asked about, [1:32:27] if I'm not mistaken, [1:32:28] he asked about the guy's letter [1:32:30] that had to do with rape [1:32:33] and pedophilia [1:32:34] and something like that. [1:32:35] She started with, [1:32:36] and you could tell [1:32:36] she was nervous [1:32:37] when she asked the question. [1:32:38] This is CBS. [1:32:38] This is now in the can for Trump. [1:32:39] Let's not forget it. [1:32:40] Sure. [1:32:40] This is the guy who says, [1:32:41] be quiet piggy to reporters. [1:32:42] He can't handle tough questions. [1:32:43] So what do you ask him? [1:32:44] You got three questions. [1:32:45] What do you ask him? [1:32:47] I would ask him, [1:32:49] I wouldn't ask him opinion questions. [1:32:50] It annoys me when people say, [1:32:51] what do you think, Mr. [1:32:52] He loves that shit. [1:32:53] I would ask him fact questions [1:32:55] about what is happening in the world. [1:32:57] I would ask him, [1:32:59] it depends on the day, right? [1:33:00] If I'm interviewing him right now, [1:33:02] I would say to him, [1:33:04] you said, [1:33:05] my opening question would be, [1:33:06] you said a few weeks ago, [1:33:08] that people say Donald Trump's [1:33:09] going to get bored of this war. [1:33:11] I don't get bored, you said. [1:33:13] And yesterday you said, [1:33:14] I'm bored of this war. [1:33:16] How do you explain that? [1:33:18] That would be my first question in Iran. [1:33:19] What else? [1:33:21] I would say to him, [1:33:22] are you out of your depth [1:33:25] in this conflict? [1:33:26] And I would give it the evidence [1:33:27] as to why he's out of his depth [1:33:28] and ask him to deal [1:33:28] with each of those examples. [1:33:29] For example, the Strait of Hormuz. [1:33:31] For example, the Gulf countries. [1:33:33] I also wouldn't be able [1:33:33] to resist having some fun. [1:33:35] I always think someone [1:33:36] should ask Donald Trump. [1:33:37] I would love for someone [1:33:38] at a White House briefing [1:33:39] to stand up [1:33:39] and ask something [1:33:40] that completely exposes [1:33:42] this man's pig ignorance [1:33:43] of the world. [1:33:44] I would love someone [1:33:45] to stand up and say, [1:33:45] Mr. President, [1:33:47] when will you be going to Wakanda? [1:33:49] They are building a Trump Tower there [1:33:50] and they love you in Africa. [1:33:52] And he would say, [1:33:53] I love them too. [1:33:54] Because he doesn't know [1:33:55] that Wakanda is a fictional country. [1:33:56] You think he would say that? [1:33:59] 110%. [1:33:59] You think he would say that? [1:34:00] I would pay money [1:34:01] to any White House correspondent watching. [1:34:02] They'd get fired on the spot [1:34:03] by the network. [1:34:04] It's obvious. [1:34:06] Do you put him [1:34:06] as an intelligent man? [1:34:08] Depends how you define intelligence. [1:34:10] Like street smart, [1:34:11] getting ahead, [1:34:12] getting his way? [1:34:12] Sure. [1:34:13] He wouldn't be able [1:34:14] to get where he got to. [1:34:15] He's probably not [1:34:15] a well-read guy in your eyes. [1:34:17] That's an understatement. [1:34:18] I think he's one of the most [1:34:19] ignorant people [1:34:19] I've ever come across. [1:34:20] You see in the latest stuff, [1:34:21] he keeps being like, [1:34:21] I call them dumbocrats. [1:34:23] You have to take the B off of dumb. [1:34:24] Most people don't know [1:34:25] that dumb has B on it. [1:34:26] No, most people do know that. [1:34:27] You probably just discovered [1:34:29] that there's a B on dumb. [1:34:31] You know, [1:34:31] there's a Trump tick. [1:34:32] I watch him so much. [1:34:32] Whenever he says, [1:34:33] most people didn't know this, [1:34:34] it means he just discovered [1:34:35] something himself [1:34:36] two minutes ago. [1:34:37] You literally think [1:34:41] talk to the people [1:34:42] who worked with him. [1:34:42] We're second term Trump, Patrick. [1:34:43] I don't have to make this stuff up. [1:34:45] Dozens of people [1:34:45] have now left the administration [1:34:46] and have told their stories [1:34:47] and it's all the same thing. [1:34:49] The guy is an egomaniac. [1:34:50] The guy is vain. [1:34:51] The guy is dumb. [1:34:52] The guy changes his opinion [1:34:53] based on the last person [1:34:54] he spoke to. [1:34:55] This is a guy [1:34:55] that won in business. [1:34:57] This is a guy [1:34:57] that won in media. [1:34:58] He didn't win in business. [1:34:58] Five bankruptcies in a row. [1:34:59] You're more successful than he is. [1:35:01] This is a guy [1:35:01] that took a, you know, [1:35:03] show from zero to one, [1:35:05] 15 years. [1:35:06] He's not Steve Jobs, for God's sake. [1:35:07] Dude, the guy won presidency [1:35:08] two times. [1:35:09] I give you Apprentice. [1:35:10] Two times. [1:35:10] I give you Apprentice. [1:35:11] Great reality TV star. [1:35:13] Two times. [1:35:13] Great. [1:35:13] I'm not going to question [1:35:14] his ability to run [1:35:15] in a reality TV star. [1:35:16] I'm questioning his ability [1:35:17] to run America. [1:35:19] How do you think about his kids? [1:35:20] Do you give him compliment [1:35:21] as a parent, as a father? [1:35:22] No. [1:35:23] Have you read the stories [1:35:24] about his children? [1:35:24] You don't think he's a good father? [1:35:25] Why do you think his kids love him? [1:35:26] You think the kids love him? [1:35:27] You don't think they do? [1:35:28] I mean, if you read [1:35:29] some of the tabloids, [1:35:31] well, money and power [1:35:32] can be great. [1:35:33] That's the only reason? [1:35:33] I know a lot of billionaires [1:35:34] that kids don't want to be around [1:35:35] a lot of them. [1:35:37] If you read the New York tabloid press [1:35:39] that Trump was very friendly with, [1:35:40] the kids didn't like him [1:35:41] when he was young. [1:35:42] They were annoyed [1:35:42] that he was cheating [1:35:43] on their parents, [1:35:44] his respective mothers. [1:35:45] Things change. [1:35:46] Their stories about him [1:35:47] allegedly is denied. [1:35:50] There we go. [1:35:51] Their stories about allegedly [1:35:51] him slapping Don Jr. [1:35:53] at college in front of his friends [1:35:54] and all sorts of stories. [1:35:55] I don't know if they're true or not, [1:35:56] but this is what's reported. [1:35:58] Tiffany Trump, [1:35:59] he never talks about. [1:35:59] Coming from a Muslim [1:36:00] and a Middle Eastern, [1:36:01] dude, what did our parents [1:36:02] do to us when we were kids? [1:36:03] Did you ever get a slam? [1:36:04] Of course. [1:36:05] Dude, you and I [1:36:06] don't have the permission [1:36:07] to say anything with that. [1:36:08] So we got to change the subject. [1:36:09] We withdraw that. [1:36:09] Yeah, we withdraw that. [1:36:10] He didn't go to his son's wedding [1:36:12] so he could do troll posts [1:36:13] about Ro Khanna. [1:36:15] I don't think he didn't go [1:36:16] to the wedding [1:36:17] because they had to go back [1:36:18] for the war [1:36:19] and everything that was going on. [1:36:20] Come on. [1:36:20] Question. [1:36:20] When it comes down to Muslims, [1:36:22] 2020 vote to 2024. [1:36:23] I love you. [1:36:24] Whatever you did, [1:36:24] you came back to Muslims. [1:36:25] Why are you obsessed with Muslims? [1:36:27] Because you left Iran? [1:36:28] I want to give you a stat. [1:36:28] No, no, I want to know [1:36:28] why you're obsessed with Muslims. [1:36:29] I want to give you a stat. [1:36:30] You know there was a terrorist attack [1:36:31] on a mosque recently. [1:36:31] I want to give you a stat. [1:36:32] Did that bother you, Patrick? [1:36:33] I want to give you a stat. [1:36:33] Did that bother you? [1:36:34] Can I, can I, [1:36:35] Mary, invite me to your show. [1:36:37] I'll ask you questions. [1:36:37] I'm inviting you. [1:36:38] Here we go. [1:36:38] You've all heard it. [1:36:40] He said to invite him, Rob. [1:36:41] You heard it. [1:36:42] Everyone on YouTube heard it. [1:36:43] I'm inviting you to a show. [1:36:44] Okay, so here we go. [1:36:45] 2020, Biden had 69% of Muslim votes. [1:36:48] Yes. [1:36:48] Trump had 24%. [1:36:50] 2025, Kamala dropped [1:36:52] the Democrat vote from 69 to 50%. [1:36:54] Trump went from 24 to 31%. [1:36:57] Third party got 12% [1:36:58] and increased by 9%. [1:36:59] Why did Muslims become Republicans? [1:37:02] Gaza. [1:37:04] Gaza. [1:37:04] There are other issues too. [1:37:05] The bathroom transgender issue [1:37:06] in places like Michigan. [1:37:07] A lot of conservative Arab Muslims [1:37:08] didn't like that. [1:37:09] They don't like the, [1:37:10] they don't like that. [1:37:10] That's very, [1:37:10] that was happening even before Gaza. [1:37:12] No doubt about that. [1:37:13] But it was still a kind of fringe issue. [1:37:15] What made it an issue [1:37:16] in the Muslim community? [1:37:16] You said the transgender, [1:37:17] oh, the LGBTQ. [1:37:17] Yeah, like there were conservative [1:37:19] Arab communities in Dearborn [1:37:20] who were like, [1:37:20] we don't want this. [1:37:21] And I'm glad you brought that up. [1:37:21] We don't want this. [1:37:22] And they brought that up. [1:37:22] That was before Gaza. [1:37:23] There's no debate [1:37:24] that some were shifting already [1:37:25] to the Republican party. [1:37:26] Sure. [1:37:26] But they were a tiny minority. [1:37:28] The vast majority of Muslims [1:37:28] still voted. [1:37:29] Democrats still supported, [1:37:30] still understood. [1:37:31] The Republican party [1:37:32] is Islamophobic. [1:37:33] You know, [1:37:33] white supremacist adjacent party [1:37:34] right now. [1:37:35] You think number one reason [1:37:38] why they vote the other side [1:37:39] is because of Israel? [1:37:40] 10 miles. [1:37:41] Gaza. [1:37:41] No, not Israel. [1:37:43] The Gaza genocide. [1:37:44] You have to understand, [1:37:45] I spoke to a lot of these people. [1:37:46] I traveled through [1:37:46] all these communities in 2024. [1:37:48] Yep. [1:37:48] And I tried to point out, [1:37:49] yes, Biden and Harris [1:37:50] are complicit in a genocide. [1:37:51] No one's defending the Democrats. [1:37:52] I was very critical [1:37:53] of the Democrats [1:37:54] and what they did [1:37:55] between 2023 and 2024. [1:37:56] But Trump will be worse [1:37:58] or as bad. [1:37:58] He's not going to be better. [1:37:59] And people bought [1:38:00] the Trump shtick. [1:38:01] No, no, he's anti-war. [1:38:02] He didn't start any new wars. [1:38:04] He's not interested [1:38:04] in the Middle East. [1:38:04] He's friends with MBS. [1:38:05] He's friends with Erdogan. [1:38:06] It's going to be great. [1:38:07] I met Palestinians [1:38:08] who told me [1:38:09] Trump will be better on Gaza. [1:38:10] He's transactional president. [1:38:12] They bought that shit. [1:38:13] Look at him now. [1:38:13] Look how many Arab countries [1:38:14] have been bombed. [1:38:15] But Muslims [1:38:17] were not voting for Trump [1:38:19] as a whole. [1:38:20] You mentioned third party too. [1:38:21] Jill Stein picked up [1:38:22] a lot of votes [1:38:23] in some places. [1:38:23] Not as many as people [1:38:24] thought she would. [1:38:24] Four percent. [1:38:26] Of Muslims, yes. [1:38:27] Yeah. [1:38:28] So in certain places. [1:38:29] The majority was like [1:38:30] two percent. [1:38:31] But my bigger picture [1:38:32] is every time [1:38:34] I said to someone [1:38:35] Trump is going to be [1:38:36] worse than Harris, [1:38:38] they said legitimately to me [1:38:39] but we have to punish [1:38:41] the Democrats. [1:38:42] That was the line. [1:38:42] We have to punish [1:38:43] the Democrats. [1:38:44] They can't be seen [1:38:45] to get away with a genocide. [1:38:47] And when you say [1:38:47] Kamala dropped it to 50, [1:38:48] well Joe Biden [1:38:49] dropped it to 50. [1:38:50] Harris kept it at 50 [1:38:51] by not distancing [1:38:52] herself from Biden. [1:38:53] Her biggest single mistake [1:38:55] was going on The View [1:38:55] and my friend [1:38:56] Sonny Hurston [1:38:56] said to her, [1:38:57] what will you do [1:38:58] differently to Joe Biden? [1:38:59] And she said, [1:39:00] nothing. [1:39:01] And the minute she said that [1:39:02] I knew she's lost. [1:39:03] And that was it. [1:39:04] Until then I had some hope. [1:39:05] She could beat him. [1:39:06] She was leading in the polls [1:39:06] after the convention. [1:39:07] Is this the worst candidate [1:39:08] you've ever seen on the left? [1:39:10] In our lifetime. [1:39:11] This is your sport. [1:39:12] I don't think she's as bad [1:39:13] as people thought she was. [1:39:14] I think she was [1:39:15] definitely handed a poison chalice. [1:39:17] Who's been worse [1:39:17] than her on the left? [1:39:17] But who's ever had [1:39:18] a 60, 100 day campaign? [1:39:20] She's got a shitty legacy. [1:39:23] Let's just be fair to her. [1:39:24] If we're going to be fair, [1:39:25] we should be fair [1:39:25] that Joe Biden [1:39:26] should not have been [1:39:27] in the race [1:39:27] until July of 2024. [1:39:29] That was insane. [1:39:30] I'm with you on that one. [1:39:31] She then got coronated. [1:39:32] You saw what Joe Biden [1:39:32] came out and said. [1:39:33] What a load of bullshit [1:39:34] from Joe Biden. [1:39:36] She's like, [1:39:36] oh, I thought he had [1:39:36] a stroke that night. [1:39:37] No, you didn't. [1:39:38] And then the video says, [1:39:39] oh, Joe, you did so good. [1:39:40] Yeah, we saw you that night. [1:39:42] If you thought you had a stroke, [1:39:43] why didn't you call [1:39:43] the White House doctor? [1:39:45] So bullshit, [1:39:46] but rewriting of history. [1:39:47] I did a video that night [1:39:49] after the debate [1:39:50] in my basement, [1:39:51] in my home studio. [1:39:52] I got attacked for it [1:39:52] by some people saying [1:39:53] Biden needs to stand down. [1:39:54] It's ridiculous. [1:39:56] And I still think [1:39:57] Trump should stand down. [1:39:57] He's also got mental issues. [1:39:59] But Harris was a good candidate [1:40:01] for a very short period. [1:40:02] She had all this momentum. [1:40:03] You know, [1:40:03] the honeymoon period. [1:40:04] Americans love rehabilitation. [1:40:05] You give somebody a chance. [1:40:07] She comes in, [1:40:08] she gets a boost. [1:40:09] She runs this. [1:40:09] I'm Joy, Joy. [1:40:10] You remember that? [1:40:11] Goes to the convention. [1:40:11] I was at the convention. [1:40:12] It felt like a freaking party. [1:40:13] I remember a member [1:40:14] of Congress was there. [1:40:15] A Democratic member [1:40:16] of Congress said to me, [1:40:17] this is bad. [1:40:17] We have not won. [1:40:18] This is way too early. [1:40:19] There's a member of Congress [1:40:20] that said this to me, [1:40:20] a lefty. [1:40:22] And I remember sitting there, [1:40:23] watching, [1:40:23] oh, Beyonce's gonna be here. [1:40:24] It wasn't Beyonce. [1:40:24] It was fucking Leon Panetta. [1:40:26] But anyways, bizarre. [1:40:28] We come out of that convention [1:40:29] and then she starts [1:40:30] tacking to the right. [1:40:31] She starts saying [1:40:31] all this shit about, [1:40:32] you know, [1:40:34] what was it? [1:40:34] Oh, they were shutting down [1:40:35] Lena Khan, [1:40:37] the antitrust stuff. [1:40:39] She had Mark Cuban, [1:40:40] Liz Cheney campaigning for her. [1:40:42] She campaigned more [1:40:43] with Liz Cheney [1:40:43] than with AOC and Bernie, right? [1:40:45] By the way, [1:40:45] that was a horrible move. [1:40:47] Insane. [1:40:47] Horrible move. [1:40:48] It didn't win over anyone. [1:40:49] Did you think [1:40:49] that was a good idea? [1:40:50] No, I said at the time. [1:40:50] At the time, [1:40:51] I said these people [1:40:51] are not gonna switch over. [1:40:52] Olivia Troy, [1:40:53] who's a good friend of mine, [1:40:54] former Trump official [1:40:55] turned never Trumper, [1:40:56] she was part of that. [1:40:57] And she admits now, [1:40:58] I've interviewed her. [1:40:58] She says, [1:40:59] yeah, we tried, [1:41:00] but we thought there'd be [1:41:01] like this mass of conservative women [1:41:03] that would come over. [1:41:04] How much money did they raise? [1:41:05] 2.1? [1:41:06] What was the number? [1:41:06] 1.5 billion or 2.1? [1:41:08] That's a big number. [1:41:08] It was a lot. [1:41:09] Yeah. [1:41:10] But so you... [1:41:11] But she also had [1:41:11] her brother-in-law, [1:41:12] by the way. [1:41:13] There's a lot of reporting [1:41:13] that suggests Kamala's brother-in-law, [1:41:15] her sister's husband, [1:41:15] I think Tony West is his name, [1:41:17] big Uber lobbyist, [1:41:18] he was pushing her [1:41:19] to drop all the affordability, [1:41:20] good stuff, [1:41:21] drop the ads. [1:41:22] There was poll testing done. [1:41:23] Some controversy with him as well, [1:41:24] if I'm not mistaken. [1:41:25] I don't know. [1:41:25] But the affordability agenda [1:41:27] that she dropped, [1:41:27] she should have gone [1:41:28] economic populist, right? [1:41:30] She did not go economic populist. [1:41:32] Instead, [1:41:32] she campaigned with a billionaire [1:41:33] and with a war criminal. [1:41:34] And I think that was a huge problem. [1:41:36] And then she went on The View [1:41:38] and said, [1:41:38] no change. [1:41:39] This is a change election. [1:41:40] You can't go into change elections. [1:41:42] I'm not going to do anything different [1:41:42] from the guy who's going out. [1:41:44] It was just... [1:41:45] So you think, [1:41:45] okay, so go to 28. [1:41:46] But she could have won, [1:41:47] by the way. [1:41:47] He didn't win a landslide. [1:41:48] Trump lied his ass off. [1:41:50] What do you mean she could have won? [1:41:51] She lost every single state, [1:41:52] seven states. [1:41:53] Have you looked at the numbers? [1:41:54] In the three key swings... [1:41:55] She helped more counties [1:41:56] become Republican in America. [1:41:58] Have you looked at the numbers? [1:41:58] If 115,000 people [1:42:00] had voted differently, [1:42:00] she would be president. [1:42:01] That's what it came down to [1:42:02] in our ludicrous system. [1:42:04] She lost by one and a half percentage [1:42:06] at each point. [1:42:07] One of the narrowest... [1:42:07] He got one of the narrowest wins [1:42:09] in modern American history. [1:42:10] You know that, right? [1:42:10] I know he lies. [1:42:11] And people like you give him credit. [1:42:13] He lies. [1:42:14] He said, [1:42:14] I won a landslide. [1:42:15] He won one of the worst... [1:42:16] You can pull it up, Rob. [1:42:17] I wrote a piece for The Guardian [1:42:18] with all the receipts. [1:42:18] Every county became more Republican [1:42:20] in America. [1:42:21] Pull up my piece. [1:42:22] Every county became... [1:42:23] 2024, Mehdi landslide. [1:42:25] Type it out. [1:42:26] Can you please send this chart [1:42:28] to this man here? [1:42:29] Pull it up. [1:42:30] He's the Muslim community [1:42:31] becoming more Republican, [1:42:33] which is great. [1:42:34] Patrick, will you give me [1:42:35] permission to read your screen? [1:42:37] Go ahead. [1:42:37] Can we scroll down? [1:42:38] Yes. [1:42:38] This is a great moment for me [1:42:39] taking over your show. [1:42:40] Scroll down. [1:42:41] Keep going. [1:42:42] Keep going. [1:42:42] Keep going. [1:42:42] Stop, stop, stop. [1:42:44] So, the former president's [1:42:46] margin of victory over Harris [1:42:47] is a minuscule 1.6 percentage. [1:42:49] Actually, it's 1.5. [1:42:49] It went down after that. [1:42:50] Smaller than that [1:42:51] of every winning president [1:42:52] since 1888 [1:42:53] other than JFK [1:42:55] and Richard Nixon. [1:42:56] In fact, [1:42:56] in the 55 presidential elections [1:42:57] in which the popular vote winner [1:42:59] became president... [1:43:00] Listen to this. [1:43:00] Oh, your viewers are getting [1:43:01] some good facts today. [1:43:02] 49 of those 55 elections [1:43:05] were one with a margin [1:43:06] bigger than Donald Trump's [1:43:08] in 2024. [1:43:09] I hope the president [1:43:09] is watching your show. [1:43:10] I know he's a friend of yours. [1:43:11] He's coming to the show. [1:43:11] Can you do me a favor? [1:43:12] Donald Trump, you lost. [1:43:13] Can you show [1:43:14] how many counties? [1:43:17] Who gives a fuck [1:43:18] about counties? [1:43:19] This guy won. [1:43:19] I'm showing you [1:43:20] the margin of victory. [1:43:21] Dude, Mehdi. [1:43:22] He won by 1.5. [1:43:24] You can raise your voice, [1:43:25] but I've already done my receipts. [1:43:26] If there's anybody [1:43:27] that has no room [1:43:29] to say anything... [1:43:30] Look at this here. [1:43:30] My receipts are up. [1:43:31] Look at this here. [1:43:32] You run away. [1:43:33] I love this. [1:43:34] You know Land doesn't vote. [1:43:35] He converted Muslims [1:43:36] to Republicans. [1:43:37] Patrick, you know Land doesn't vote. [1:43:38] I love these maps. [1:43:40] That's Land. [1:43:40] You showed a stat. [1:43:41] Land doesn't vote. [1:43:42] I gave you the numbers. [1:43:43] Muslims voted for him. [1:43:45] Still more for the Democrats. [1:43:47] No, no. [1:43:47] Muslims went from 24% [1:43:49] for Trump in 2020 [1:43:50] to 31%. [1:43:51] Patrick, I'm not on the right. [1:43:52] He's winning your people over. [1:43:53] Patrick, and it kills me. [1:43:54] Patrick, I'm not on the right. [1:43:55] I'm not an election denier. [1:43:57] Donald Trump won, [1:43:58] but he didn't win 50% of the vote. [1:43:59] You know people say [1:44:00] he won the popular vote. [1:44:02] You know he didn't win [1:44:02] a majority of the votes. [1:44:03] He's running three elections. [1:44:04] I know that, but... [1:44:04] You know he's run three elections. [1:44:05] You know who's the last Republican [1:44:07] that has? [1:44:08] George W. Bush. [1:44:09] Yeah, it's the last one that did it. [1:44:11] It's not a... [1:44:11] That's not like a, [1:44:12] oh my God, [1:44:13] he didn't win the majority. [1:44:14] But he hasn't, [1:44:15] but he brags and says he does. [1:44:16] He's never won a majority of the vote. [1:44:17] Today he's polling in the 30s. [1:44:19] He's lost, by the way, [1:44:20] he's lost all that support [1:44:21] from Latinos, [1:44:21] young people, and Muslims. [1:44:22] You accept that, right? [1:44:22] That coalition he put together [1:44:23] is gone now. [1:44:24] Yeah, so this is the part [1:44:26] where guys like you come out [1:44:28] and they'll say what they'll say. [1:44:29] They'll say fact. [1:44:29] Did you see his endorsement [1:44:32] how they did? [1:44:32] Did you see his endorsement [1:44:33] how they did? [1:44:34] Everybody he picked. [1:44:35] Did you see how many that won? [1:44:37] Oh, in the primaries? [1:44:38] Yeah, did you see? [1:44:39] Great, great news for Democrats. [1:44:40] Great news. [1:44:41] Tell me why. [1:44:42] You think James Tallarico [1:44:42] wants to run against Paxton [1:44:43] or Cornyn? [1:44:44] I'm actually curious. [1:44:45] Tell me why. [1:44:46] No, he picks horrible candidates. [1:44:47] Remember, [1:44:48] what was the Georgia candidate? [1:44:50] They should have won Georgia [1:44:50] and they lost. [1:44:51] Who did they put up? [1:44:51] Herschel Walker. [1:44:52] Remember that? [1:44:53] Remember Herschel Walker? [1:44:53] That I remember. [1:44:54] Remember the dude in Alabama? [1:44:55] He had a hard time speaking. [1:44:56] Remember the dude in Alabama [1:44:57] who was accused of child molestation [1:44:58] that he denied? [1:44:59] I can't remember his name. [1:45:00] Alabama guy from his first term. [1:45:03] He backed him. [1:45:04] He lost. [1:45:04] Talk about now. [1:45:05] He picks bad candidates. [1:45:06] Why would you back Paxton? [1:45:08] 117. [1:45:11] Yeah, but why would you back Paxton? [1:45:12] Let's just talk about the main one. [1:45:13] Tell me why you... [1:45:13] So you're like establishment candidates? [1:45:15] Like Cornyn, 40 plus years. [1:45:17] I hate John Cornyn. [1:45:17] I hate Cam Paxton. [1:45:18] But who would you want to run against? [1:45:19] I want the Democrats to win the Senate, [1:45:21] obviously, to save democracy. [1:45:22] So you think Tallarico does better with Paxton [1:45:24] than he does with Cornyn? [1:45:25] You don't. [1:45:26] I'm asking you. [1:45:26] I'm asking you. [1:45:27] No, no, I ask you for... [1:45:28] I 100% think he's going to do better. [1:45:29] That he's going to do better. [1:45:30] Well, the poll show he's doing better. [1:45:31] Yeah. [1:45:31] I mean, just toss the polls. [1:45:32] He's leading in the polls. [1:45:33] So you think his... [1:45:34] By the way, do you guys in your family [1:45:35] celebrate Pride Month? [1:45:37] Do we celebrate Pride Month? [1:45:38] Yeah, I mean, it's Pride Month. [1:45:39] I'm just asking, like, [1:45:40] do you guys... [1:45:40] Do you have a way of celebrating Pride Month? [1:45:42] Because Tallarico... [1:45:43] Not personally, but I support people who do. [1:45:50] People on your side... [1:45:52] 9 a.m., he posts Happy Pride Month, [1:45:54] Mayor of New York. [1:45:55] Yeah. [1:45:55] Midday, Happy Eid, [1:45:56] hosted Eid at Gracie Mansion. [1:45:58] That's modern America. [1:45:59] People want to make this guy [1:46:00] into some kind of extremist. [1:46:02] You guys on your show. [1:46:02] I see you getting worked up [1:46:04] about prayers in New York. [1:46:05] This guy, Zoran Mamdani... [1:46:07] You think Tallarico... [1:46:08] Okay, so by the way, [1:46:08] I think Tallarico's formidable. [1:46:09] It's not like I don't think he's formidable. [1:46:10] I think he's a very good communicator. [1:46:12] I think he's a... [1:46:13] To be honest with you, [1:46:14] I think he's a better version of Pete Buttigieg. [1:46:16] I think he's a better version of Pete Buttigieg. [1:46:18] Okay. [1:46:18] I think he's got a bigger upside [1:46:19] than Pete Buttigieg. [1:46:20] Okay. [1:46:21] So I think... [1:46:21] I think he's very talented. [1:46:22] I think he's very talented. [1:46:23] I want to interview him again. [1:46:24] He's a very, very good talker. [1:46:25] His policies are good. [1:46:26] Texas is difficult. [1:46:28] My wife is from Texas. [1:46:29] I spend a lot of time in Texas. [1:46:30] I'm under no illusions. [1:46:30] It's a difficult state to win, [1:46:32] but it's not as red as Republicans [1:46:33] want you to believe. [1:46:34] Not anymore. [1:46:35] Not anymore. [1:46:35] Not anymore. [1:46:36] And I think that they could have [1:46:38] probably won with Cornyn, [1:46:39] but I think now it's in play, [1:46:40] and you have to ask, [1:46:41] what is Donald Trump's political direction? [1:46:42] You know, Patrick, [1:46:43] that every Republican senator [1:46:44] is pulling their hair out [1:46:46] wondering, [1:46:46] what the hell did Donald Trump do here? [1:46:48] He's now put the Senate in play [1:46:49] in a way it wasn't in play before. [1:46:50] Because even if Paxton wins Texas, [1:46:53] they have to divert a bunch of resources [1:46:54] from other states [1:46:55] which need them more to protect him. [1:46:58] That's the problem, strategically. [1:47:00] For Paxton or Tallarico? [1:47:01] For the Republicans [1:47:02] trying to save their Senate majority, [1:47:04] they're going to have to divert resources [1:47:05] to defend Texas. [1:47:06] Do you know how much money [1:47:06] they're going to spend in this? [1:47:07] Yeah, but it could have been spent elsewhere. [1:47:08] We're going to see the money go in there [1:47:10] in ways we've never seen before. [1:47:11] But it could have been spent elsewhere. [1:47:12] Could be. [1:47:12] I mean, that's the part about... [1:47:13] They've got a tough race in Michigan. [1:47:14] They've got a tough race all over the place. [1:47:15] By the way, just out of curiosity... [1:47:16] They're losing in North Carolina? [1:47:17] I'm curious what you're going to say with this. [1:47:18] So out of curiosity, [1:47:19] you have two people to choose as a candidate. [1:47:22] One is a hardcore Republican, [1:47:26] capitalist, pro-Trump guy [1:47:29] who's a Muslim. [1:47:31] Second one is a hardcore socialist, [1:47:36] progressive liberal [1:47:38] who is a Christian. [1:47:42] Which do you vote for? [1:47:44] Obviously, I vote for the person [1:47:46] whose values and policies I support. [1:47:47] I don't vote based on religion. [1:47:49] So you would vote for the second person? [1:47:50] Of course. [1:47:52] Because the values and principles? [1:47:53] Of course. [1:47:54] I don't vote based on religion. [1:47:55] Mehmet Oz ran against John Fetterman. [1:47:57] He would have been the first Muslim senator. [1:47:59] If Abdul El-Sayed pulls it off in Michigan, [1:48:01] he will be the first ever Muslim member [1:48:02] of the United States Senate [1:48:03] in American history. [1:48:04] Yeah, we've never had one. [1:48:05] Never had one. [1:48:05] Mehmet Oz could have been... [1:48:06] We have five Congressmen. [1:48:07] Mehmet Oz could have been the first Muslim senator. [1:48:09] But he would have been a Republican. [1:48:10] Exactly. [1:48:11] And his policies were horrible. [1:48:12] So for you, that's a no-go. [1:48:13] Yeah, because I don't care. [1:48:14] It would be nice to say, [1:48:15] hey, I must have... [1:48:15] So it's policies over faith. [1:48:17] Of course. [1:48:17] But then, by the way, [1:48:17] who did I back against him? [1:48:19] Literally the worst Democratic senator [1:48:20] turned out to be John Fetterman. [1:48:21] But let's put that to one side. [1:48:22] But Mehmet Oz, [1:48:23] yeah, I don't vote on religion. [1:48:24] I think it's crazy if people vote on religion. [1:48:26] You shouldn't vote on religion. [1:48:26] Okay. [1:48:27] Muslims shouldn't vote for Muslims. [1:48:28] Jews shouldn't vote for Jews. [1:48:29] Christians shouldn't vote... [1:48:29] You should vote based on your policy platform, [1:48:31] the principles and values. [1:48:32] Do you think we'll have a... [1:48:33] Muslims are not a monolith. [1:48:33] I don't agree with all Muslims. [1:48:34] You just mentioned some of them who vote for Trump. [1:48:36] Yeah, do you think long-term [1:48:38] America will be at a point [1:48:41] where we'll have a Muslim governor [1:48:42] or a Muslim president? [1:48:44] Muslim governor, I hope. [1:48:45] Maybe Mamdani. [1:48:46] He can't be president, right? [1:48:47] So where does he go next? [1:48:48] He could be governor. [1:48:49] He could be governor. [1:48:49] He could be senator, right? [1:48:50] He can't go anywhere else. [1:48:51] Secretary of State, whatever it is. [1:48:52] He can't be president, sadly. [1:48:53] Not even VP, right? [1:48:54] VP, you can't even be VP. [1:48:55] No, because you have to be... [1:48:56] So, Speaker of the House, [1:48:57] you could be, though. [1:48:57] I think that if he chooses to go that route. [1:48:59] That's a good question. [1:49:00] I don't know the answer to that [1:49:00] because Speaker of the House [1:49:02] is third in line to the presidency. [1:49:03] I think you could be speaker. [1:49:04] But then what if the president, [1:49:05] I know, I know, on the same plan, [1:49:06] but that's why they're not on the same flight [1:49:08] when they go. [1:49:08] You'll notice some of the stuff that they do. [1:49:10] I don't know. [1:49:10] I don't know the answer to that question. [1:49:11] If you're ineligible from the presidency, [1:49:14] can you be in the line of success? [1:49:14] Yes, the Constitution does not require [1:49:16] the Speaker of the House [1:49:17] to be born in the U.S. [1:49:18] But it means they would have to skip past the speaker [1:49:20] if something happened to the president. [1:49:20] Yeah, it would go to somebody else. [1:49:22] So he could run for Congress, be speaker. [1:49:23] He could be whatever. [1:49:24] But to come back to your question, [1:49:25] yes, Muslim governor, [1:49:26] I think hopefully very soon. [1:49:28] Yeah. [1:49:28] Inshallah, as Joe Biden might say. [1:49:31] And president, I don't think for a while. [1:49:33] Look, let's first get a woman president. [1:49:35] This country is so behind the rest of the world. [1:49:36] We haven't had a woman leader. [1:49:39] Pakistan's had a woman leader. [1:49:40] Bangladesh has had a woman leader. [1:49:42] Most European countries have had a woman leader. [1:49:44] America still needs to do that basic thing. [1:49:46] What do you, your thoughts on, [1:49:48] you know, a lot of people in America, [1:49:50] you got things that's happened in Texas [1:49:51] with that one city, what is it called? [1:49:54] Epic City. [1:49:54] Epic City or something like that in Plano, Texas. [1:49:56] What do you say to some conservatives [1:49:58] that are worried about Sharia law [1:50:00] making it into America? [1:50:02] I would say, please do not worry. [1:50:04] You're being lied to. [1:50:05] You're being gaslit. [1:50:05] You're being distracted. [1:50:07] This is a fake moral panic that's been blown up. [1:50:09] Because it'll never happen [1:50:10] or because Sharia law is not that bad? [1:50:12] Because it's not two different things. [1:50:14] One, number one, Sharia law is not what you think it is, [1:50:17] but we can part that for discussion for a moment. [1:50:18] I'll come to that. [1:50:19] It's not happening. [1:50:20] There's nobody I know who's pushing Sharia law in this country. [1:50:22] It's completely fake. [1:50:23] And it's being pushed in ridiculous places, [1:50:25] not just Texas, Oklahoma, Indiana. [1:50:27] Did you see the lieutenant governor of Indiana said recently, [1:50:29] we need to hate Islam. [1:50:30] It's a demonic religion, right? [1:50:32] And I'm going to fight radical Islam and Sharia. [1:50:34] How many, do you know what the population, [1:50:35] the Muslim population of Indiana is less than 1%? [1:50:37] Like this is ridiculous fear-mongering. [1:50:40] It has 3X the US, I think, in the last 26 years, [1:50:43] if I'm not mistaken. [1:50:44] Muslim population, not Indiana. [1:50:46] But it's still, even nationwide, what is it? [1:50:47] 1 to 2%. [1:50:48] I want to say 4.5 million. [1:50:50] Which is what? [1:50:51] Yeah, you're right. [1:50:51] Just 1 to 2%. [1:50:52] But by the way, it's, I mean, you're 3X and then 26 years. [1:50:55] It's not like you're not doing a good job. [1:50:57] You're growing. [1:50:57] We're growing. [1:50:58] Elon Musk wants people to have more kids. [1:50:59] But my point being is, it's not going to happen. [1:51:02] But also, a few things. [1:51:03] Number one, please let's not talk in this demonizing way [1:51:06] about Muslim communities being a threat to you [1:51:08] because it has real world consequences. [1:51:09] We just saw in San Diego, [1:51:11] a mosque was attacked by two Nazi teenagers [1:51:13] who shot and killed three people, [1:51:15] including the security guard, [1:51:16] who had eight kids. [1:51:17] Police say he was a hero, [1:51:18] saved 100 kids in that mosque, in the school, right? [1:51:22] Murdered by two guys. [1:51:23] Do you read their manifesto? [1:51:24] I don't like reading these shooters' manifestos. [1:51:25] I did them. [1:51:25] I read the whole thing. [1:51:26] Some of the lines in there are crazy. [1:51:28] They say, you know what they say? [1:51:28] Towards everybody. [1:51:29] Towards every, Jews, women, Muslims, gay. [1:51:32] But the line about Muslims is really scary [1:51:35] because they say, we don't hate Muslims. [1:51:38] We hate Islam. [1:51:39] We hate the invasion of our country. [1:51:41] That is rhetoric that you hear on right-wing media. [1:51:43] That is rhetoric that you hear [1:51:44] in the House of Representatives. [1:51:46] That is what you hear from Randy Fine. [1:51:47] That is what you hear from Republicans. [1:51:48] That is what you hear in America. [1:51:50] So that is not just some Nazi shooter. [1:51:52] That is mainstream rhetoric [1:51:53] that has been mainstreamed on the right [1:51:54] and has real-world consequences. [1:51:56] If you say, and I've seen some of your shows, [1:51:59] you've talked about Muslims praying in Times Square, [1:52:02] that being some kind of threat. [1:52:03] I would say, just have a sense [1:52:05] of what the real-world consequences [1:52:07] of our rhetoric can be. [1:52:08] Words have consequences. [1:52:10] Crazy people out there can pick up weapons [1:52:12] and think Muslims are coming to take over my country. [1:52:14] You know, I would tell you, [1:52:15] I've interviewed a lot of weird people on my podcast. [1:52:18] A lot. [1:52:19] You tell them, I'll have them on. [1:52:20] I don't have a problem talking to anyone. [1:52:21] I had a great conversation with Westmore. [1:52:22] Yeah. [1:52:23] What was it? [1:52:24] Five weeks ago. [1:52:25] I've had Mopsters on, Sammy the Bull. [1:52:27] I've had Kobe on. [1:52:28] I've had, you know, many different people on. [1:52:31] You know what's the only one [1:52:32] that brought so many death threats? [1:52:34] BB was the only one. [1:52:36] I've had a lot of people on. [1:52:37] Okay. [1:52:37] Multiple presidents. [1:52:39] We did a podcast with BB. [1:52:40] I've never told this story publicly, [1:52:42] so they'll know. [1:52:43] It was on my birthday, [1:52:47] and I come out of the podcast. [1:52:49] My security says, [1:52:50] there's a guy in the front lobby [1:52:53] that just got caught with cops with grenades. [1:52:56] I said, this is a terrible joke here [1:52:58] because everybody always tried to prank me for my birthday, [1:53:00] and I always catch people. [1:53:01] Like, they're trying to surprise me. [1:53:01] I'm like, listen, this is not the right way to do it. [1:53:03] He says, I'm not laughing. [1:53:04] This is an 18 Delta guy. [1:53:07] And I said, really? [1:53:07] He says, yeah, look at the front gate. [1:53:09] So I go to the front gate. [1:53:10] I'm looking. [1:53:10] I'm like, wait a minute. [1:53:11] What is that? [1:53:12] Cops everywhere. [1:53:13] Guy shows up. [1:53:14] I'll show you the pictures afterwards. [1:53:16] With grenades, with weapons, with guns [1:53:18] that came in here, [1:53:19] and the number of death threats [1:53:21] that we started getting afterwards [1:53:22] in Senate just for having BB. [1:53:24] Dare I ask, what was the guy's background? [1:53:27] Do we know? [1:53:27] I couldn't tell you. [1:53:28] I know he went away. [1:53:29] I know they took his weapons away. [1:53:33] I'll show you a couple of texts. [1:53:34] Was he quote-unquote far-right? [1:53:36] Was he quote-unquote Islamist? [1:53:37] Do we know what his ethnicity was? [1:53:38] I have no idea. [1:53:39] Okay. [1:53:39] I don't know that. [1:53:40] I have no idea what that was. [1:53:42] But the point is, [1:53:42] the threat started increasing [1:53:44] only after BB. [1:53:46] So here's the part. [1:53:47] When you say that, [1:53:48] I think that applies to both sides. [1:53:50] I agree. [1:53:50] If you think about, like, [1:53:52] who in the history of America [1:53:53] has had more assassination attempts [1:53:55] as a president, [1:53:56] where do you think that's coming from? [1:53:57] He's a fascist. [1:53:58] Hitler. [1:53:59] This. [1:53:59] That. [1:54:00] He's a bigot. [1:54:00] He deals it out. [1:54:01] He's the one who started [1:54:02] the threats and the violence. [1:54:03] I don't. [1:54:04] I'm not going to sit here [1:54:05] and apologize for him. [1:54:06] He calls his opponents Nazis and fascists. [1:54:08] He's called a lot of people [1:54:09] a lot of things. [1:54:09] He's called Biden a Nazi. [1:54:11] Dude, the guys, [1:54:12] after how many times they called him, [1:54:13] he couldn't get anything right. [1:54:15] When he was coming up, [1:54:15] the media was just... [1:54:16] Come on. [1:54:17] In 2016, [1:54:17] he suggested the Second Amendment people [1:54:18] should take care of Hillary Clinton. [1:54:20] Come on. [1:54:20] I have a longer memory. [1:54:21] But let me come back to what I was saying. [1:54:22] I agree with you. [1:54:23] We need it across the board. [1:54:24] I'm not... [1:54:24] I don't think we should have political violence. [1:54:25] I don't support political violence on any end. [1:54:27] I don't justify going after capitalists [1:54:29] or anyone else. [1:54:30] I'm against violence. [1:54:31] So I'm saying to you, [1:54:32] for example, [1:54:33] you did a show recently, [1:54:34] or not recently, [1:54:35] I looked it up [1:54:35] because I knew we were going to talk about Islam here. [1:54:37] You have a show on YouTube [1:54:37] called Islam's Hidden Threat to the West. [1:54:39] You have another headline, [1:54:40] Will Muslims Run America in 30 Years? [1:54:42] Now, I know you like to host [1:54:43] good faith discussions and debates, [1:54:45] but you have to understand [1:54:46] if people get this in their feeds [1:54:47] and their social media all the time, [1:54:49] are you telling me [1:54:50] that people are not going to start... [1:54:51] If they hear Micah Beckwith of Indiana [1:54:53] say Islam is a demonic religion, [1:54:55] and then they hear guests on your show [1:54:56] saying Islam's a threat to the West, [1:54:58] and they hear Randy Fine saying [1:54:59] Sharia law's taken over America, [1:55:01] you don't think two Nazi teenagers with guns [1:55:03] are going to go, [1:55:03] well, I'm going to go deal with this mosque down my street. [1:55:05] You're telling me there's no link between that? [1:55:07] Yeah. [1:55:07] Come on. [1:55:07] No, I'm not going to say [1:55:08] there's no link between that. [1:55:09] Of course there's... [1:55:10] We have to be careful. [1:55:11] We know that demonizing minority communities... [1:55:13] Look what happened to synagogues. [1:55:14] And I would say the same thing [1:55:15] about the Jewish community. [1:55:15] We have to be careful [1:55:16] about our criticism with Israel [1:55:17] so it doesn't lead to attacks on Jews. [1:55:19] The question becomes... [1:55:20] For me, it's all on data. [1:55:22] Meaning, if you live in my community, [1:55:25] you make it safer, [1:55:26] I'm all for it. [1:55:27] Yeah. [1:55:27] If you come in, [1:55:28] you create jobs, [1:55:29] I'm all for it. [1:55:30] If you come in, [1:55:31] you assimilate, [1:55:31] you love America, [1:55:32] I'm all for it. [1:55:33] If you come in, [1:55:35] you don't contribute, [1:55:36] you take advantage of the programs that we have, [1:55:38] you don't want to create jobs, [1:55:40] where's the incentive? [1:55:41] Why are we bringing... [1:55:41] That's a different argument. [1:55:43] We can have the argument. [1:55:43] It is. [1:55:44] I'm talking about incitement. [1:55:46] When you say, [1:55:47] Muslims, [1:55:47] are they going to run America in 30 years? [1:55:48] Of course not. [1:55:49] We're a tiny... [1:55:49] We're 1% of the population. [1:55:50] I don't think so. [1:55:51] When you say Islam is a threat to the West... [1:55:53] Oh, come on. [1:55:54] 1% of the population. [1:55:55] 2050, you guys are going to be the biggest population in the world. [1:55:57] You guys make 2.98. [1:55:58] But not in America. [1:55:59] Not in America. [1:55:59] We're not even going to be... [1:56:01] Pull up the numbers, Rob. [1:56:03] What are we going to be in 2050? [1:56:04] The difference between you and I is, [1:56:06] I think, long-term. [1:56:07] And even if... [1:56:08] By the way, [1:56:08] if we do grow as a community, [1:56:09] even that, [1:56:10] this is... [1:56:11] I'm sorry to go back to World War II and the Nazis, [1:56:13] but look at the rhetoric that Nazis used about Jews in 1920s, 30s. [1:56:16] These people are aliens. [1:56:17] They are parasites. [1:56:18] They're leeching off our state. [1:56:19] The rhetoric is... [1:56:20] No, it's very similar. [1:56:21] When I listened to Andy Ogles, [1:56:23] and I listened to Chip Roy, [1:56:24] You think Ilhan Omar loves America? [1:56:25] Yes. [1:56:25] You think Ilhan Omar loves America? [1:56:26] Yes. [1:56:27] You know how I know she loves America? [1:56:28] You think Ilhan Omar loves America? [1:56:29] Yeah, you don't? [1:56:30] Absolutely not. [1:56:31] She absolutely loves America. [1:56:32] You know how I know she loves America? [1:56:33] Tell me. [1:56:34] Because she came to America. [1:56:35] She decided to run for office. [1:56:36] When she ran for office, [1:56:37] she ran as a lefty [1:56:38] who devotes her life [1:56:39] to trying to improve people's lives. [1:56:41] She wants health care for everyone. [1:56:42] She wants health care [1:56:43] for every Trump voter watching this show. [1:56:44] She is eventually going to return to her country [1:56:48] and contribute to her country. [1:56:50] She's only doing this to advance her country. [1:56:52] This is bullshit. [1:56:52] It's her words. [1:56:54] Pull up the video. [1:56:55] Listen to me. [1:56:55] Pull up her video. [1:56:56] It's her words. [1:56:57] I just showed you Sam Piker. [1:56:59] Any of you like I've never seen that video. [1:57:00] Let me say this to you. [1:57:00] Go ahead. [1:57:01] Donald Trump has made more anti-American remarks [1:57:03] than Ilhan Omar. [1:57:03] If we're going to go down, [1:57:04] who loves America? [1:57:04] She loves it more than Trump does. [1:57:06] She didn't incite her insurrection. [1:57:07] You think Ilhan Omar loves more? [1:57:08] I'm so glad you're saying this. [1:57:09] A hundred times more. [1:57:10] I'm so glad the audience can see [1:57:12] that Ilhan Omar loves America more than Trump. [1:57:14] Well, one person incited an attack on our democracy. [1:57:17] One didn't. [1:57:18] One tried to undermine American democracy. [1:57:19] One didn't. [1:57:20] One pardoned 1,600 people who attacked America. [1:57:23] One didn't. [1:57:24] What happened with her finances? [1:57:25] Where did the $30 million network come from? [1:57:27] Out of nowhere. [1:57:27] It was an accounting error. [1:57:28] Hold on. [1:57:28] Hold on. [1:57:29] Hold on. [1:57:31] Stay on. [1:57:31] Don't go Trump. [1:57:32] But Trump. [1:57:32] I am going to do that. [1:57:33] Go do the but Trump. [1:57:33] Because your argument now is if you're... [1:57:35] First of all, [1:57:35] I don't want to get into rights and wrongs [1:57:36] of politicians' finances. [1:57:38] You're telling me Republican congressmen are not corrupt? [1:57:40] Oh, you're doing a but. [1:57:40] Okay, got it. [1:57:41] No, I'm just wondering. [1:57:41] So you're not forgiving Ilhan. [1:57:42] It's not a big deal. [1:57:43] It's just like you have this whiner. [1:57:44] No, no, because... [1:57:44] Ilhan Omar amended a congressional financial disclosure. [1:57:47] What's that got to do with loving America? [1:57:48] You're telling me people's finances don't have... [1:57:50] Donald Trump is the most corrupt politician [1:57:51] in modern American history. [1:57:52] You just said he loves America. [1:57:54] Donald Trump is the most corrupt politician in America. [1:57:56] Did you deny that? [1:57:56] That's your opinion, guys. [1:57:57] He just made $3 billion. [1:57:58] No, it's not. [1:57:59] In your eyes... [1:57:59] Okay, Rob, pull up the numbers. [1:58:00] How much... [1:58:01] Pull up the numbers, Rob. [1:58:02] Forbes magazine. [1:58:02] How much money did Donald Trump's net worth go up by last year? [1:58:04] Let me ask you. [1:58:05] $3 billion. [1:58:06] Just out of curiosity. [1:58:07] $3 billion. [1:58:07] How did he make that? [1:58:08] Are you going to go... [1:58:09] How did he make $3 billion while president? [1:58:11] Are you going to go... [1:58:12] How did he make $3 billion while president? [1:58:12] Are you going to go and show the same... [1:58:14] Wait a minute. [1:58:14] If you're going to allow me to rebuttal... [1:58:16] You always rebut with a question. [1:58:17] We've noticed that over two hours. [1:58:18] You've been doing it. [1:58:19] All you do is yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, but... [1:58:20] I answered. [1:58:20] I said Ilhan loves America. [1:58:21] You're a professional yeah, but, yeah. [1:58:22] I said Ilhan loves America. [1:58:23] Just out of curiosity. [1:58:24] You're the jump around guy. [1:58:25] We were talking about who loves America. [1:58:26] Now we're talking about politicians. [1:58:27] Are you also... [1:58:28] Are you also going to go... [1:58:30] Look at that line, Patrick. [1:58:31] Look at that line. [1:58:31] Rob is good. [1:58:32] Can I show you something? [1:58:33] You know you said capitalists expand, Rob. [1:58:34] If you're ever looking for a job, my friend. [1:58:36] Yeah. [1:58:37] Everybody's been trying. [1:58:38] So if you go back here, then what's your argument if you say, look how... [1:58:41] No, no, stay on that, Rob. [1:58:42] Stay on that. [1:58:42] No. [1:58:43] Then what do you say? [1:58:44] His first presidency lost so much money. [1:58:46] Did you ever say that? [1:58:46] You never said that. [1:58:47] Because that doesn't add to your argument. [1:58:49] But this is... [1:58:50] No, I've always said the second term is the term where he's got no guardrails. [1:58:52] He gets to do whatever he wants. [1:58:53] No, no, but his first term, he lost money. [1:58:55] Okay, but the second term... [1:58:57] What about a second term? [1:58:58] Markets gone up. [1:58:59] He's made money. [1:59:00] Markets gone up. [1:59:01] Have you made more money in the last 18 months with the investment? [1:59:03] He didn't make it from markets. [1:59:03] Do you know what happened on January 19th? [1:59:05] The day before he became president, inaugurated? [1:59:07] Tell me. [1:59:07] The Emiratis put $500 million into his crypto fund. [1:59:10] You think that was the market going up? [1:59:11] They gave a half a billion dollar bribe to Donald Trump. [1:59:14] $187 million went straight into Trump bank accounts. [1:59:16] Ilhan Omar can work for the rest of her life. [1:59:18] Do whatever she'll never make $187 million. [1:59:20] Trump made that in one day from the Emiratis. [1:59:21] If Biden or Hunter Biden had done it, you'd be up in arms. [1:59:24] Now, back to the topic of who loves America. [1:59:26] The fact that you said Ilhan Omar loves more than... [1:59:28] I'm so glad you're going to be judged quoted for that. [1:59:31] Please, please quote me. [1:59:32] Let me finish the quote. [1:59:32] And then let's go back to Islam as well. [1:59:33] Let's finish the quote. [1:59:34] I will. [1:59:34] Ilhan Omar has spent her political career trying to get free lunches for every American child, [1:59:39] including the children of MAGA voters. [1:59:41] Donald Trump has spent his presidency taking away Medicare, [1:59:43] taking away health care from people, taking Medicaid away from people. [1:59:46] So yes, Ilhan Omar loves Americans more than Donald Trump loves Americans. [1:59:49] By the way, when she was threatened by a Trump supporter who tried to kill her, [1:59:51] he went to prison, tried to kill Ilhan Omar in 2019. [1:59:54] She went to the sentencing, and she asked for his sentence to be reduced to give him grace. [1:59:59] I can't imagine Donald Trump doing that. [2:00:01] Do you know how many... [2:00:02] So I do think Ilhan Omar is someone who has actually a very good role model. [2:00:05] Do you know how many... [2:00:06] I wouldn't have done that. [2:00:07] Do you know how many endless stories there are of what Trump's done behind closed doors for people? [2:00:11] Do you know how many? [2:00:12] Yes. [2:00:12] Do you know how many of them are? [2:00:13] Do you know how many of them are him screwing people over? [2:00:15] Do you know what he did to his niece? [2:00:16] Do you know what he did to a baby and his family? [2:00:17] This is all you're going to do? [2:00:18] This is your hit piece? [2:00:19] Just going on him right now? [2:00:20] I mean, you're doing positive. [2:00:21] I'm going to do negative. [2:00:22] Isn't that the point? [2:00:22] You're building up Ilhan. [2:00:25] I am. [2:00:26] There's no comparison. [2:00:28] Anyone who knows Ilhan Omar says she's a good person. [2:00:30] All of her friends. [2:00:31] Donald Trump's people. [2:00:31] What is the investigation into it right now? [2:00:35] Why did no one in Donald Trump's cabinet endorse Donald Trump for president the second time around? [2:00:38] What is the investigation? [2:00:38] Why do you think that is? [2:00:39] Why did his vice president not endorse him for president? [2:00:41] You know how he is, though. [2:00:42] He's a guy that... [2:00:44] They all hate him. [2:00:44] He's a team of rivals. [2:00:45] They hate him. [2:00:45] Why did he come back? [2:00:46] Why did he come back? [2:00:47] He's a national security advisor. [2:00:48] He's a chief of staff. [2:00:49] Why did they come back? [2:00:50] Because the Democrats fucked everything up. [2:00:51] Joe Biden and Merrick Garland fucked everything up. [2:00:54] He should have been in prison. [2:00:55] Whose fault is that? [2:00:55] The Democrats. [2:00:56] Beautiful. [2:00:57] I'm agreeing with you. [2:00:58] Merrick Garland. [2:00:59] I blame two people for Donald Trump. [2:00:59] How come unified Republicans? [2:01:01] I blame two people for Donald Trump. [2:01:03] Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell. [2:01:06] Mitch McConnell should have voted to convict in 2021 to prevent him from ever running again. [2:01:10] And Merrick Garland should have got off his ass and investigated him from day one [2:01:13] and outsourced it to Jack Smith with one year to go. [2:01:16] And I just do want to come back to the Islam question. [2:01:18] Let's do it. [2:01:19] Muslims love America who live here. [2:01:21] According to the polls, according to the Pew polls, 92% of Muslims in America say they [2:01:26] love being American. [2:01:27] I don't. [2:01:28] So this is a myth that Muslims don't love America. [2:01:31] No, I don't sit there. [2:01:32] I have Muslims who work with me. [2:01:34] Right afterwards, come with me. [2:01:35] I'll take them to them if you want to meet them. [2:01:36] So my point is, and their families are worried for their safety right now. [2:01:40] Every Muslim in America I know. [2:01:41] I don't think they are. [2:01:41] I think they feel the safest in America. [2:01:43] Let's talk to you guys afterwards. [2:01:44] I think they feel the safest in America. [2:01:45] Every Muslim I know, Patrick, trust me on this. [2:01:47] I spend a lot of time with Muslims. [2:01:48] Every Muslim I know is worried about what they're going to do. [2:01:50] Have a plan B. [2:01:51] Where are you going to go? [2:01:52] Where are you going to go live if it becomes intolerable? [2:01:53] Go ahead and leave America. [2:01:54] How come they don't? [2:01:55] Because they love America. [2:01:56] That's the point. [2:01:57] They feel the safest here. [2:01:58] No, but what if it's changing, right? [2:02:00] But if, but if, but if. [2:02:01] You don't think 12 years old. [2:02:02] Hold on, but Jews feel the same way, Patrick. [2:02:04] You know that, right? [2:02:04] To do what? [2:02:05] Jewish communities right now are saying we don't feel safe in America. [2:02:06] You know this. [2:02:07] They're saying it every day. [2:02:08] Sure. [2:02:08] They're saying where synagogues are being attacked. [2:02:09] We're being demonized. [2:02:10] You can't say that. [2:02:10] The Muslims feel the same way, especially when a mosque is attacked by two Nazis. [2:02:15] Yeah. [2:02:15] Republicans can't even bring themselves to condemn it. [2:02:17] Do you know that Ted Cruz wouldn't even condemn it? [2:02:18] We talked about it. [2:02:19] On social media. [2:02:20] We talked about it on the podcast. [2:02:20] You did. [2:02:20] I'm talking about Republican congressmen. [2:02:22] I can't speak on their behalf, buddy. [2:02:23] I'm not them. [2:02:24] No, good. [2:02:24] I'm speaking on my behalf. [2:02:26] Whatever they do is their position. [2:02:27] But on your show too, Patrick, come on. [2:02:28] You did a whole thing. [2:02:29] I watched it of you obsessing over this Times Square prayer. [2:02:32] Like this is some act of domination. [2:02:34] Why are Muslims not allowed to pray in Times Square? [2:02:36] Why are Jews allowed to do Hanukkah? [2:02:37] Why is Jews allowed to do Hanukkah? [2:02:39] Hindus do Diwali. [2:02:40] You know what my argument is against that? [2:02:41] Catholics do Easter. [2:02:41] You know what my argument is against that? [2:02:42] Guess what my argument is against that? [2:02:44] You ready? [2:02:45] Go on. [2:02:45] It's going to go back to something you don't like. [2:02:47] Please. [2:02:47] You ready? [2:02:48] Go on. [2:02:48] Here we go. [2:02:50] If Muslims do a better job expanding, they deserve everything they get. [2:02:54] But it's not expanding. [2:02:55] No, but it is, though. [2:02:56] No, no, it is, though. [2:02:56] It's changing the subject. [2:02:57] No, no, it is, though. [2:02:58] If Muslims, I'm a capitalist to the core. [2:03:01] Meaning, if you beat me, guess what I do? [2:03:05] You got to tip your hat. [2:03:07] I don't know if you follow basketball or not. [2:03:07] What if people aren't trying to beat you? [2:03:08] What if they just want to pray in Ramadan? [2:03:10] No, but they're visual. [2:03:10] You want to go watch how many of the videos? [2:03:12] Like, long term, we're going to come, Erica. [2:03:13] Have you seen the Christian prayers at the National Mall? [2:03:16] They're not the same? [2:03:17] No. [2:03:17] Have you seen? [2:03:18] Can I ask you a question? [2:03:19] Did you watch? [2:03:20] Can I ask you a question? [2:03:20] Patrick, you need to get out more. [2:03:22] You're on the right-wing algorithm too much. [2:03:23] You watch Ilhan Omar videos of Times Square all day long. [2:03:27] Do you know at one point I was sitting down with Muslims trying to find out what things [2:03:29] we have in common? [2:03:31] Literally, I was bringing Muslims to sit down and talk about them. [2:03:33] You know why? [2:03:34] Because to me, the LGBTQ, specifically on the T side, was getting a little too far. [2:03:39] And I think deep down inside to the core, you're there. [2:03:41] But you know you can't say it publicly because it's politics for you over what your religion [2:03:46] believes in as a Muslim. [2:03:47] What is the Muslim position on LGBTQ? [2:03:50] There is no one position. [2:03:52] Islam is not a monolith. [2:03:53] But yes, in general. [2:03:53] Oh, let me read it to you. [2:03:54] Hold on. [2:03:54] Let me finish. [2:03:55] Go for it. [2:03:56] Islam in general, obviously, I'm not an Islamic scholar, but Islam as traditionally practiced, [2:04:01] like Christianity and Judaism as traditionally practiced, is very hostile to the idea of homosexuality. [2:04:06] Okay. [2:04:07] Theologically. [2:04:07] We have that in count. [2:04:08] Let me finish. [2:04:08] Okay. [2:04:09] Pew polling. [2:04:10] Let me give you some polls because you keep talking about Americans this and that. [2:04:12] So in 2017, Pew did a poll of Americans, and they found that Muslim Americans were more [2:04:20] likely to say, 52%, I think it was, of Muslim Americans said that homosexuality should be [2:04:24] accepted in society. [2:04:26] You know how many white evangelical Protestants said that? [2:04:28] 34%. [2:04:29] 34%. [2:04:30] Protestants was 34%. [2:04:31] 34%. [2:04:31] I have that data. [2:04:32] So Muslims were more accepting of homosexuality. [2:04:34] Rob, I love you, Rob. [2:04:36] They were more accepting of homosexuality than white Christian evangelicals, right? [2:04:40] So my question then is, when you talk about integration, assimilation, America is a liberal [2:04:44] country. [2:04:45] It's a pro-gay country, whether you like it or not. [2:04:47] Muslims, and by the way, we ran a poll. [2:04:49] We ran a poll this year. [2:04:50] One last point, Patrick. [2:04:50] We ran a poll earlier this year at Zeteo from Opinium. [2:04:53] They polled Muslims in the UK and the US. [2:04:55] Guess what they found? [2:04:56] Muslims in the UK and Muslims in the US support democracy more than non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslim [2:05:00] Britons. [2:05:01] Muslims in America and Britain support gender equality more than non-Muslim Britons in [2:05:05] America. [2:05:05] May I reach this point? [2:05:06] So for your viewers, I just want to make clear, you've been lied to, not Muslim attitudes. [2:05:09] I'm giving you the numbers. [2:05:10] Oh, but let me ask you, what was your position a few years ago on homosexuality? [2:05:13] My position when growing up was very hostile. [2:05:15] Very conservative. [2:05:16] Not hostile. [2:05:17] Probably very conservative. [2:05:18] It was hostile. [2:05:18] Okay, it was conservative. [2:05:19] And I've talked about how I've evolved on that. [2:05:22] Okay, so if I go to some of the countries with homosexuality, 10 countries, homosexuality is [2:05:30] a legal punishment in at least death penalties, legal punishment in 10 countries. [2:05:34] Afghanistan, Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Qatar, Somalia. [2:05:38] What's the point? [2:05:38] UAE, Nigeria. [2:05:40] These are, these are, this is where they're coming from. [2:05:41] Okay, so Iran and Saudi, the only two national confirmed to have carried out government sanction [2:05:46] executions. [2:05:47] Horrific. [2:05:48] For that. [2:05:48] Horrific. [2:05:49] Yeah. [2:05:49] Not one Shia majority nation is for same-sex marriage. [2:05:53] Iran criminalizes Iraq. [2:05:54] And yet Muslim Americans are. [2:05:56] Well. [2:05:56] Interesting. [2:05:57] Not at the highest percentage. [2:05:57] Because that shows integration. [2:05:58] No, no, not at the highest percentage as you think. [2:06:00] I think the part where. [2:06:02] More than most white Republicans. [2:06:03] The part where conservatives and Muslims, if you ask me, on why that Muslim vote went from [2:06:09] 24% to 31% for Trump is because liberals got so caught in this LGBTQ community. [2:06:18] I think it's part of it. [2:06:19] Let me finish the thought that I brought them here to sit down and talk and say, look, you [2:06:23] have two daughters? [2:06:23] I have two daughters. [2:06:24] I have two sons. [2:06:24] We have four kids. [2:06:26] For me, this isn't a position of LGBTQ community or not. [2:06:30] I don't have a problem with it. [2:06:31] They work for me. [2:06:32] I will literally take you to my office right now to meet some of these guys and give you [2:06:35] a tour myself. [2:06:36] So you meet some of my staff that I have. [2:06:38] It's about the force that was down the throat of kids. [2:06:42] It was forcing that we have to sit there and hear what LGBTQ is all about and all this [2:06:47] stuff being taught by schools. [2:06:48] I'm not debating that that had an impact. [2:06:50] It had an impact, by the way, on Latino communities, too. [2:06:52] It did. [2:06:52] There's a lot of Latino. [2:06:52] And they weren't conservative. [2:06:53] They don't like that. [2:06:54] But by the way, so two things. [2:06:55] One, I'm not denying that. [2:06:57] I'm the one who brought it up and said it was partly LGBTQ. [2:06:59] But it wasn't the big driver. [2:07:00] The big driver was Gaza, right? [2:07:01] And number two. [2:07:02] Well, by the way, just respectfully, we're going to find out if you're right or I'm [2:07:06] right in 2028. [2:07:07] I agree. [2:07:07] You understand what I'm saying? [2:07:08] Because we'll see. [2:07:09] But right now, right now, what's interesting is as of right now, 2026, Trump has totally [2:07:13] destroyed that coalition. [2:07:14] He had a lot of Muslim support. [2:07:16] Not anymore. [2:07:16] He had a lot of Latino support. [2:07:18] It's collapsed. [2:07:18] I know. [2:07:19] We'll see if it's the same. [2:07:19] Well, we'll also know in the midterms. [2:07:20] But yes, that coalition he seemed to have built, that scary coalition for those of us on the [2:07:25] left, he's his own worst enemy, Donald Trump. [2:07:28] With ICE, he destroyed his Latino support. [2:07:30] With Iran, he supported a lot of it. [2:07:31] And Israel, he's destroyed a lot of his Muslim support. [2:07:34] But I would make a wider point, which is at the end of the day, I say this to Muslim communities, [2:07:38] you can't vote based just on religion or just on foreign policy. [2:07:41] You cannot be single issue voters. [2:07:43] As a Muslim American, you need to care about everything in America. [2:07:45] You need to care about the economy. [2:07:47] You need to care about health care. [2:07:48] And I think most Muslim Americans do. [2:07:50] And I think they make decisions. [2:07:51] By the way, the big reason the Republican Party will not win over Muslims or Arab Americans [2:07:55] in numbers is because of the racism, Patrick. [2:07:57] Fundamentally. [2:07:58] That racism is BS. [2:07:59] What? [2:07:59] You don't think Randy Fiennes is a racist? [2:08:01] Randy Fiennes is not my guy. [2:08:02] But he's a Republican in foreign. [2:08:04] No, he's to me. [2:08:05] You don't think Donald Trump is a racist? [2:08:06] Not at all. [2:08:07] When he says to Rashida Taleb, you should go back to where you came from. [2:08:09] If you don't like America, go back. [2:08:11] She's born and raised in Michigan. [2:08:13] That's racist, Patrick. [2:08:14] When I grew up, you tell someone to go back to where they came from, you thought a fight. [2:08:17] If you don't, if, listen, we're both from the- [2:08:20] He calls Salali's garbage. [2:08:21] Dude, we're both- [2:08:22] That's racist. [2:08:22] You live in the UK. [2:08:24] I've lived in the Middle East. [2:08:25] But we're both from the same area region. [2:08:28] We are what a lot of- [2:08:30] If we walked in the streets and say we don't have a name, [2:08:32] they would look at us in maybe a different way than they do the average guy. [2:08:34] You're not a white guy. [2:08:35] I'm not a white guy. [2:08:35] Okay. [2:08:38] When you're talking about all this stuff, you said Muslim, people coming in here. [2:08:41] I'll tell you another thing that is a concern of mine. [2:08:43] I want to know what you're going to say about this. [2:08:44] When it comes down to age for marriage in some of these countries, give you a rebuttal. [2:08:50] I'm curious. [2:08:51] So if a person comes from a country, or like in Sudan, the minimum age for marriage is 10 years old. [2:08:57] Are you for that? [2:08:58] I don't think you are. [2:08:59] In Iran, the legal age for marriage is 13 years old. [2:09:02] Okay. [2:09:02] As young as nine with parental consent, are you for that? [2:09:06] I'm certain you're not. [2:09:07] Okay. [2:09:08] And I'm not saying you're taking these positions. [2:09:10] Yemen, no legal minimum wage. [2:09:12] I don't know where you're going. [2:09:13] I'll ask you the question. [2:09:15] Yemen, no legal minimum age. [2:09:17] One third of women, 20 to 24, married before 18 years old. [2:09:20] Iraq parliament in 2024 moved to allow age girls to marry as young as nine years old under Jafari school law. [2:09:28] Pakistan, 1.9 million child brides in Pakistan. [2:09:33] Sixth highest in the world. [2:09:34] Okay. [2:09:35] By the way, the good news with that, I want to give that credit as well. [2:09:37] Islamabad capital territory just changed the minimum age to 18. [2:09:40] Good for them. [2:09:41] They're making progress. [2:09:42] Nigeria, over 50% of girls married before the age of 15. [2:09:44] What's the question, Patrick? [2:09:45] This is the question. [2:09:47] Culturally, if you're coming from this environment to America, notice I didn't see every other country that's coming from Muslim. [2:09:53] If you're coming from that culture to America, does that coincide? [2:09:58] Because if you've lived there for 30, 40 years and these are the values you've lived with, then you're coming here. [2:10:05] There's a clash with the Western ideology. [2:10:07] What do you say to that? [2:10:07] I will say two things. [2:10:08] Number one, all of the social sciences show that when people move to a country within a generation, max two, they do assimilate to local values. [2:10:18] And I just gave you the numbers for it. [2:10:20] Muslims in America and Britain who come from dictatorships support democracy more than non-Muslim Americans and Britons. [2:10:26] The percentages are there. [2:10:27] American Muslims are more open to homosexuality and the acceptability of homosexuality having lived in the U.S. than white Christian evangelical Protestants. [2:10:35] So the data shows that within generations, they do not, you know, they do adapt or assimilate, integrate, whatever word. [2:10:42] These are all loaded phrases. [2:10:43] And by the way, Europe and America are different, by the way, don't forget. [2:10:46] Europe is a very secular place. [2:10:47] So when you're moving there, it's actually very different. [2:10:49] America is actually more hospitable to Muslims coming from those places because we are still very much a Christian country with very conservative attitudes. [2:10:55] It's funny, Rob's on duty, I hope, still. [2:10:58] I got a request for Rob here. [2:11:00] You mentioned you're giving me these child bride ages. [2:11:02] Rob, pull up American states. [2:11:04] How many of the states in America had child marriages until very recently? [2:11:07] What's the age of consent? [2:11:08] What's the lowest age of consent in American states until very recently? [2:11:12] So when you're already at 13, 14, 15, until very recently, American states, that's now. [2:11:17] You can see there are states that until very recently was 12, 13, 14. [2:11:21] So America maybe doesn't get to give so many lessons on some of these things. [2:11:24] And by the way, what is the biggest scandal in this country right now? [2:11:27] It's the pedophile who was protected by the president of the United States. [2:11:30] Donald Trump not just protected Jeffrey Epstein after lying and saying he would expose. [2:11:34] There are so many places I can go with that. [2:11:36] Please. [2:11:36] He also gave Ghislaine Maxwell a kind of soft ride in prison. [2:11:40] He also was going to appoint Matt Gaetz, a man who was accused by the House Ethics Committee of sleeping with a 17-year-old. [2:11:44] He was going to make him attorney general. [2:11:47] So please don't give lessons to other people right now about ages of consent. [2:11:50] Not you personally, but anyone in America. [2:11:53] Let's clean up our own house first. [2:11:54] Mehdi, the question isn't about cleaning up our stuff. [2:11:57] God knows we have a lot of stuff to do. [2:11:59] FYI, when people start talking about Epstein, I can guarantee you no conservative podcast has spoken about Epstein more than us. [2:12:07] I guarantee, just so you know, we're not one that they sit there and say, [2:12:10] hey, we love because they're not going to talk about Epstein. [2:12:12] Go online on YouTube when you leave here to just gain the credibility. [2:12:15] You're talking about cultural clashes. [2:12:17] That's the point you're making. [2:12:17] There's a clash of cultures. [2:12:18] I'm saying there's not. [2:12:19] You and I are sitting here. [2:12:20] We're talking. [2:12:21] Can you and I coexist? [2:12:22] Yes. [2:12:22] Do you think you and I can live in the same community? [2:12:24] Yes. [2:12:24] Do you think you and I can live in the same? [2:12:26] I mean, you live in a much bigger house on a richer street. [2:12:28] You're a pretty rich guy, bro. [2:12:29] You're a multimillionaire, Doug. [2:12:31] Don't act like you're a smart timer. [2:12:32] I read on the way here, a spectator, that you have a 75 grand a week house in the Hamptons. [2:12:37] I can't get near that. [2:12:38] You believe this stuff? [2:12:39] This is all fake news stuff that they tell you. [2:12:40] It's not true. [2:12:40] You're so funny. [2:12:41] Vinny, we have to make sure we don't post pictures this summer where we're staying at [2:12:46] because maybe he's going to be talking shit to us. [2:12:48] 75 grand a week. [2:12:49] Well done. [2:12:49] Yeah. [2:12:50] Where were we at? [2:12:51] We were talking about, okay, you and I can coexist. [2:12:53] Yes. [2:12:54] Why? [2:12:54] And my parents are from India, which has a lot of backward things going on. [2:12:57] A lot of child marriages. [2:12:58] You got a little bit of UK. [2:12:59] You went to a good school. [2:13:00] You went to Oxford. [2:13:01] Who made the school happen? [2:13:02] My parents from India. [2:13:03] Your parents. [2:13:04] They paid for it. [2:13:04] They worked hard for it. [2:13:05] So they were immigrants. [2:13:07] FYI. [2:13:07] What if Patrick met David in the 1960s, said my dad shouldn't come because he's from... [2:13:10] Do you want me to go to a different place? [2:13:12] Let me take you to this next place. [2:13:14] You ready? [2:13:14] Okay, let me go to the next place. [2:13:16] What religious groups that come here make the most money in America? [2:13:23] No idea. [2:13:24] Of course you do. [2:13:25] Hinduism. [2:13:25] Number one. [2:13:26] $166,000. [2:13:27] That's true. [2:13:28] Great community. [2:13:28] You know that number. [2:13:29] Yeah, great community. [2:13:29] Now being attacked by right-wing Republicans in Texas. [2:13:31] Not me. [2:13:32] I didn't see you. [2:13:32] I said right-wing Republicans in Texas. [2:13:33] I'm telling you my position. [2:13:34] I know. [2:13:35] And I have some... [2:13:35] By the way, I have guys that are working here that say that. [2:13:38] That's their position. [2:13:39] That's why the Republican Party is racist and you shouldn't do that. [2:13:41] No, we sit and we debate because we think that's the right way to do it. [2:13:44] Because you, your book is called what? [2:13:46] Yeah. [2:13:46] Win the Art of Debating. [2:13:47] Good Faith Debate. [2:13:48] Put the link below, Rob, so if people want to go support the book, they have it. [2:13:51] Watch this. [2:13:52] Hinduism. [2:13:53] $166,000. [2:13:54] $200,000. [2:13:56] Pretty good. [2:13:57] It's contributing to society. [2:13:58] I'm a great admirer of the Hindu community. [2:14:00] Judaism. [2:14:01] You're supportive of them? [2:14:02] $115,000. [2:14:03] You think they're net positive for America? [2:14:05] Yes. [2:14:05] Okay. [2:14:06] Protestants, $82,500. [2:14:09] Orthodox Christians, $78. [2:14:10] Catholicism, $74. [2:14:12] Islam, $68. [2:14:13] Right? [2:14:15] Atheists are $85. [2:14:16] Okay? [2:14:16] They're making $85,000. [2:14:18] And then you got, what is it? [2:14:19] Buddhism. [2:14:20] Man, that's a bad shout out to Buddhists. [2:14:22] Guys, you guys got to figure out a way to make money, guys. [2:14:23] This is like serious stuff right there. [2:14:25] They pray a lot. [2:14:25] Yes. [2:14:26] So to me, this isn't about skin color or racism. [2:14:31] Like when I meet Indians in America, I got to tell you, the ones I've met, they love America. [2:14:37] They actually love living here. [2:14:39] I get what you're saying, Patrick. [2:14:40] And this is a slight problem for you because you say I'm not speaking for a Republican Party. [2:14:43] But you are in right-wing media space. [2:14:45] There's no debate about that. [2:14:46] I'm not debating that. [2:14:46] Yeah. [2:14:47] But you're an immigrant from Iran who came in as a refugee. [2:14:49] I have a slightly different view than they do. [2:14:51] Exactly. [2:14:51] So when you say Hinduism, great. [2:14:53] Okay, go tell the Texas Republican Party, go tell conservatives in Texas. [2:14:56] You know why? [2:14:56] Do you know, let me finish my point. [2:14:57] All these Hindus in Texas, well-off Hindus, they supported Trump and MAGA. [2:15:01] And guess what? [2:15:01] They're trying to build a temple in Houston. [2:15:03] And people are protesting outside saying, take this demonic religion outside. [2:15:06] I'm no fan of Vivek Ramaswamy, right? [2:15:09] I've interviewed him. [2:15:09] We had a great clash, but I do admire him as a smart guy. [2:15:12] He succeeded in life. [2:15:13] He's super patriotic. [2:15:14] He's very eloquent. [2:15:15] He's running for governor of Ohio. [2:15:17] Did you see the clip the other day? [2:15:17] Guy stands up in the crowd. [2:15:19] Groeper guy stands up, says, Hinduism is a pagan demonic religion. [2:15:21] Why should we have you leaders? [2:15:23] This is what the Republican Party, for you to say they're not a racist party, [2:15:26] when I'm seeing what they're doing to Vivek Ramaswamy, forget Muslims, [2:15:29] what they're doing to Hindus in Texas, what they're doing to Hindus in Ohio. [2:15:32] This is a white supremacist party. [2:15:34] This is a white supremacist. [2:15:35] What's your definition of racism? [2:15:36] Is nobody racist? [2:15:36] No one. [2:15:37] What's your definition of racist? [2:15:38] May I finish? [2:15:39] Please. [2:15:40] You're raising your voice. [2:15:41] Why are you screaming? [2:15:41] I'm sitting right across from you, bro. [2:15:43] Like, let's act American, not Middle Eastern. [2:15:44] You shouted earlier, but yes, New Middle Eastern. [2:15:46] Fair enough. [2:15:46] Okay, so to me, I think a part of it is, I think everybody has a little bit of bigotry [2:15:54] in them, okay? [2:15:55] Everybody. [2:15:55] And I know it's going to sound like, what are you talking about? [2:15:57] I think everybody is a little bit against some community. [2:16:00] By the way, it could be as simple as, you're a Red Sox fan, I'm a Yankees fan, I can't [2:16:04] stand you. [2:16:04] There's no way we can coexist. [2:16:05] Agreed. [2:16:06] It could be you're from Boston, I'm from New York. [2:16:07] Tribalism. [2:16:08] People are tribal. [2:16:09] By the way, that's natural. [2:16:10] Agreed. [2:16:11] That's not like, you know, you were a kid, you were part of a gang, you're part of another [2:16:14] gang, hey, we're going to, you know. [2:16:15] Attacking a religious minority is not. [2:16:17] So that's that part. [2:16:19] The other side is, Colin, you know, like, if there's one thing, like, I brought, what [2:16:25] do you call it, Westmore that we're speaking to, and I'm like, you realize, like, for Democrats, [2:16:29] why did they lose so much of their support during this period? [2:16:33] Let me finish, and you can argue and say, we didn't. [2:16:34] I think some of the positions they took in COVID was out of control. [2:16:39] I think some of the positions they took with LGBTQ, to me, was out of control. [2:16:43] Calling everybody racist, a little too much. [2:16:46] Calling everybody a bigot, a little too much. [2:16:48] Calling, making everybody feel like I'm a bad person. [2:16:51] You need to read the book, my friend. [2:16:52] These are all straw men. [2:16:53] Calling everybody a racist. [2:16:54] I was very specific. [2:16:55] I said, Randy Fiennes a racist. [2:16:56] I said, Donald Trump's a racist. [2:16:57] I said, the Republican Party's indulged racism and white supremacy. [2:17:00] I can stand by those with the receipts. [2:17:01] You're calling the Republican Party that racist. [2:17:03] If a party institutionally allows for racists to take power and do racist policies, what [2:17:08] should I call it? [2:17:09] Oh, my God. [2:17:09] Okay, let me give you one. [2:17:10] Can I give you an example? [2:17:11] Yeah. [2:17:11] Okay, so right now, when you came to America, you came in 1990? [2:17:14] Yep. [2:17:15] In 1990, I checked before I came here. [2:17:16] George Bush Sr. was president. [2:17:18] Yes. [2:17:18] And he allowed in 122,000 refugees, of which 4% were from the Middle East. [2:17:23] So you and your family, how many came from your family, if you don't mind me asking? [2:17:26] Me, my mom, my dad, my sister, four of them. [2:17:28] So four of you. [2:17:29] But my dad came in 84 because my parents got a divorce, and then he came back in 1990 separately. [2:17:35] Okay, so three of you came on that. [2:17:36] We did, yes. [2:17:37] As vetted refugees from Germany. [2:17:39] We went to Germany from Germany. [2:17:40] I read it. [2:17:40] Sorry. [2:17:41] You came in 1990. [2:17:41] So you're part of the lucky 5,000 people from the Middle East. [2:17:44] I feel like I'm the luckiest man alive living in America. [2:17:46] Okay, and that was George Bush Sr. [2:17:48] I'm not a man I'm a fan of, but he did that. [2:17:50] He understood the response, as did Reagan. [2:17:51] You know Donald Trump since October has allowed in 6,069 refugees only. [2:17:55] Not 122,000, only 6,069. [2:17:58] And do you know that 6,066, 99.9% of them, are from white South Africa? [2:18:03] Only three are Afghan. [2:18:05] That's the numbers. [2:18:05] Are you serious? [2:18:06] That's a fact. [2:18:07] Okay, you're serious? [2:18:08] Pull it up, Rob. [2:18:08] 6,000 refugees, all of them are white South Africans fleeing from an imaginary genocide. [2:18:12] The previous guy brought more people than four presidents combined. [2:18:16] Hold on, he brought in 125,000 refugees. [2:18:17] He's trying to say, guys, time out. [2:18:19] Let's get back to our people a little bit. [2:18:20] No, we're talking about refugees. [2:18:21] Refugees are different. [2:18:22] It's not about jobs. [2:18:23] Refugees, your international obligation. [2:18:24] Like you're talking H-1B, green card, which one are you talking about? [2:18:27] Refugees, refugees, vetted by, you know, the vetted program. [2:18:29] Sure. [2:18:29] Where you're vetted abroad. [2:18:30] You check you're not a terrorist, all of that stuff. [2:18:32] That's what we did. [2:18:32] What happened to you? [2:18:33] Yes, 18,000. [2:18:33] Biden did it too. [2:18:34] He allowed 125,000 people. [2:18:35] Trump dropped the cap with Stephen Miller to 7,500, and since October, he allowed in [2:18:40] 6,069, according to the Washington Post. [2:18:42] I want to know where you're going with this. [2:18:44] He allowed in only three Afghans and 6,066 white people from South Africa. [2:18:49] There are two things I would say about that. [2:18:50] Number one, that's racist. [2:18:51] You let in, 99.9% of your refugees are white people who are not refugees, and you don't [2:18:55] allow people from Iran, Iraq, Syria. [2:18:57] And the second point is, Donald Trump won't allow you into this country, and yet you sit [2:19:00] and support, you voted from three times. [2:19:02] Donald Trump would not have allowed little Patrick Bette David into this country. [2:19:05] How do you feel about that? [2:19:06] You're so funny. [2:19:07] A genuine question. [2:19:08] You are so funny. [2:19:09] It's a genuine question. [2:19:10] He wouldn't have let little Patrick Bette David in. [2:19:11] No, no Iranians were allowed in this year. [2:19:12] So how would you have gotten here? [2:19:13] You know what would have happened? [2:19:14] We would have waited one more year, two more years. [2:19:15] For a Democrat to come and let you in. [2:19:17] Bush Sr. let us in. [2:19:18] He was a Republican. [2:19:18] Oh, for a better Republican. [2:19:19] Okay, for a better Republican. [2:19:20] A non-racist Republican. [2:19:21] That's not the point. [2:19:22] The part that you have to do. [2:19:23] That is the point. [2:19:24] He did not allow in Iranians, Iraqi. [2:19:25] It's not. [2:19:26] Issues, Mehdi, is it fair to say issues are fluid? [2:19:29] Things change. [2:19:30] Meaning? [2:19:30] No, refugees are an obligation that America has always stuck to until Donald Trump. [2:19:34] What is an issue in 2020, maybe different than what's a top three issue in 2016, than [2:19:39] 2012, than 2000? [2:19:40] Plenty. [2:19:40] You're great. [2:19:40] Guess what? [2:19:41] What did his base want? [2:19:42] Who cares what his base wants? [2:19:44] That's who he voted for. [2:19:45] That's a different argument. [2:19:46] You're moving. [2:19:46] Why are you talking about, is he racist? [2:19:47] I'm giving my evidence. [2:19:48] He stopped all refugees from coming in from what he called, what do you call them? [2:19:51] Shit hole countries. [2:19:52] It's itself a racist phrase. [2:19:54] And then he allowed in white people from South Africa. [2:19:55] Would you disagree? [2:19:56] Some of these places are shit hole countries. [2:19:57] I don't think you call entire countries shit. [2:19:59] You don't think some places are shit. [2:20:00] You think generalizing about an entire place? [2:20:01] You think some places are not shit hole countries? [2:20:03] What is your definition of racism, Patrick? [2:20:05] Because you don't seem to think anything is racist. [2:20:06] What do you define as racist? [2:20:07] If you say there's no such thing as racism, fine, but be consistent. [2:20:10] No, I don't know if- [2:20:11] But nobody's a racist. [2:20:12] No, I don't know if- [2:20:14] I think it's a weak argument. [2:20:16] I think it's a weak position to say, hey, that guy doesn't like me and my race and where [2:20:20] I'm from. [2:20:20] Great, but what is your definition of racism? [2:20:22] If you don't have one, say so. [2:20:23] To be honest with you, if you want this- [2:20:25] I think if you call an entire country, entire people shit garbage, low IQ, that's racist. [2:20:29] I think every single person has an element of racism in there. [2:20:35] That's a different argument. [2:20:36] From 1% to 99%. [2:20:37] You keep moving the goalposts, man. [2:20:38] But what you're asking racism, it's like not liking an ethnicity, not liking a community? [2:20:42] Yeah, not liking an entire country. [2:20:43] Is that what you're looking for? [2:20:44] Yeah, if he says, we're going to only have white people in and not shit hole country people in, [2:20:46] that's racist. [2:20:47] Yes, I think that's racist. [2:20:48] If that's not racist, I don't know what it is. [2:20:49] 99.9% of refugees are white South Africans. [2:20:51] Dude, come on. [2:20:52] Do you want to- [2:20:52] Okay, Rob, can you do me a favor? [2:20:54] He calls all Somalis low IQ and garbage. [2:20:56] This is the stuff that you're saying right now. [2:20:58] It's all true. [2:20:58] Can you pull up Biden's administration? [2:21:01] Who was the guy that was the transgender that we're supposed to leave? [2:21:04] That's what you're going to? [2:21:05] When I quote the president making racist remarks, you got no comeback? [2:21:08] Wait a minute. [2:21:08] What's the argument of DEI with you that massively failed? [2:21:11] Are you supportive of DEI? [2:21:12] I don't know what's your definition of DEI. [2:21:13] Are you supportive of DEI? [2:21:14] I don't play- [2:21:15] This is not right-wing bingo. [2:21:16] No, no. [2:21:16] Your words mean nothing to me. [2:21:17] Are you support- [2:21:18] I'm from outside the right-wing media chamber. [2:21:19] DEI is meaningless. [2:21:21] I talk to guys on the left-wing side. [2:21:23] Who do you think I talk to? [2:21:24] You think I just talk to right-wing people? [2:21:25] No, but when you say DEI and the transgender guy from Biden and Ilhan Omar, this is like [2:21:29] right-wing bingo, Patrick. [2:21:30] Is this a good pick? [2:21:31] Yeah, Rachel Levine. [2:21:32] I interviewed her on my show. [2:21:33] Was he phenomenal at what he did? [2:21:34] I'm sure she was very good at a joke. [2:21:36] So you think- [2:21:37] What's that got to do with Trump being racist towards Somalis? [2:21:39] You think- [2:21:40] Patrick, you need to read the book. [2:21:41] Wait a minute. [2:21:41] Because in the book, I deal with people like you. [2:21:43] This is pure deflection. [2:21:44] The difference with me is- [2:21:45] You are deflecting. [2:21:46] This is not deflecting, guys. [2:21:47] He says, all Somalis are garbage, low IQ people. [2:21:50] Is that a racist statement? [2:21:52] Allow this to come to you. [2:21:53] I'm not talking about Rachel Levine. [2:21:54] Do you think this person was hired because they were the best person for a job or because [2:21:59] he was playing politics? [2:22:00] Well, Rob- [2:22:01] That's a form of racism. [2:22:02] Rob, I'm going to read the second paragraph. [2:22:03] Go ahead. [2:22:03] Levine is a professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at Penn State College of Medicine. [2:22:07] Previously served as a Pennsylvania physician general. [2:22:09] So I think Rachel Levine is more qualified to work in the health department than Robert fucking [2:22:13] Kennedy Jr. [2:22:14] Got it. [2:22:14] Who has zero qualifications. [2:22:15] Do you think RFK was hired for his medical qualifications? [2:22:17] No, no. [2:22:18] Patrick, do you think RFK Jr. was hired for his medical qualifications? [2:22:21] What did he have? [2:22:21] By the way, do you know how many people previous to him were doctors? [2:22:25] Do you know? [2:22:25] Was RFK hired for his medical credentials? [2:22:27] Yes or no? [2:22:28] RFK was hired because he was making the arguments- [2:22:30] Whereas Rachel Levine is a professor of pediatrics. [2:22:31] Wait a minute. [2:22:32] You're saying RFK is not qualified for his job. [2:22:34] Not to be health secretary. [2:22:35] No, conspiracy theorist. [2:22:36] By a mile, I think- [2:22:37] Conspiracy theorist who doesn't even understand basic medicine? [2:22:38] You take a transgender to be this job than a- [2:22:41] You think transgender people don't have intelligence? [2:22:43] No, no. [2:22:43] That's a new attack on- [2:22:44] No, see what you're doing now? [2:22:46] But you see what you're doing now? [2:22:47] You take a transgender person- [2:22:48] You're playing. [2:22:50] See, the difference- [2:22:51] So are you. [2:22:51] No, I didn't go to Oxford and you debate 24-7 to see this as my life. [2:22:56] I gave you hard evidence of Trump's racism and you said, Rob, pull up the transgender woman. [2:23:01] That's what happened. [2:23:01] Everyone watched you do it. [2:23:03] I said Trump that in 99% white people. [2:23:06] The point is the previous guy picked people because of color. [2:23:09] If there is any party that's racist- [2:23:12] I'm not even asking about that. [2:23:13] Was the previous guy because they kept saying, black this. [2:23:15] I'm not even asking about that. [2:23:16] Black this. [2:23:17] This many female, this many transgender- [2:23:19] I'm not even asking about that. [2:23:19] Trump did the same. [2:23:19] The left is the party of the racists. [2:23:22] Even if I can see that, it's irrelevant to my point that Donald Trump has blocked refugees like yourself. [2:23:26] Patrick Bet-David would not have been allowed into America under Donald Trump. [2:23:29] You don't know me. [2:23:29] You would have come in illegally. [2:23:30] I would have come in illegally. [2:23:31] You're pro-illegal immigration. [2:23:32] You're so funny. [2:23:32] This is so interesting today. [2:23:34] I would have made it here, buddy. [2:23:34] You heard it here. [2:23:35] You're going to clip Ilhan Omar, clip that. [2:23:36] Patrick Bet-David said if he wasn't allowed illegally, he would come in illegally. [2:23:40] The difference between you and I, this doesn't bother me. [2:23:44] I understand the game we're playing. [2:23:45] I understand the conversation. [2:23:46] I'm not here for a game. [2:23:47] I just said to you earlier, this stuff has real-world consequences. [2:23:50] Oh, this stuff has real-world consequences. [2:23:52] Three Muslims just got killed in a mosque in San Diego because Republican Party racist rhetoric. [2:23:57] And do you know what? [2:23:58] Republican congressmen couldn't even condemn it. [2:24:00] I assume you condemn what happened in San Diego. [2:24:01] We 100% condemned it. [2:24:03] But do you know Republicans wouldn't do it until they were forced to do it? [2:24:05] Brandon Gill was asked on the congressional corridor. [2:24:07] I can't speak on their behalf. [2:24:07] I'm not asking you to speak. [2:24:08] I'm telling you it's bad, right, that what they did not condemn it. [2:24:11] But do you realize you think it's also bad that everything we had to hear in 2022 with Biden getting elected [2:24:15] was about how many black female candidate leadership team we're going to have? [2:24:19] Diversity is a good thing. [2:24:20] No, it's not. [2:24:21] Yes, it is. [2:24:22] No, based on leadership. [2:24:23] When he was president, we're going to find a way to have this percentage. [2:24:27] Let me finish. [2:24:27] This percentage of pilots got to be female and black. [2:24:30] And by the way, Hollywood, you want to go to Hollywood, what standards they created? [2:24:33] Do you remember the Hollywood standards? [2:24:34] In order to win an Oscar. [2:24:35] That's not true. [2:24:37] That's bullshit. [2:24:37] Can you please pull that up? [2:24:38] It's been debunked. [2:24:39] Can you pull that up, please? [2:24:40] You're just parodying Elon Musk's propaganda. [2:24:42] This has been debunked a million times. [2:24:44] A million times. [2:24:45] What time are we at right now? [2:24:46] I've got a flight to catch soon. [2:24:48] That's what I'm saying. [2:24:48] But this is an important conversation because I need you to concede that 99.9% white refugees [2:24:54] from South Africa is a racist refugee policy. [2:24:56] Zero. [2:24:56] Not allowing people in from Afghanistan and Syria is insane. [2:24:59] Next time you come in, don't book a flight afterwards so we can go four hours because [2:25:02] I'm enjoying this. [2:25:03] Next time you're coming on my show, we all heard you agree to my invitation. [2:25:06] I mean, I hereby invite Patrick Bet-David. [2:25:08] You can bring Rob with him. [2:25:09] If you need support, bring Rob with you. [2:25:11] You are so funny. [2:25:11] But we'll have you on today. [2:25:12] We'll have a good time. [2:25:12] Let me wrap it up with some one-word answers and then let's go from there. [2:25:16] You ready? [2:25:17] Yep. [2:25:17] Okay. [2:25:18] Since you already brought him up, I'll bring it up. [2:25:19] So I'll give you a name. [2:25:20] Oh, Rob has just proved me right, by the way. [2:25:21] Two of four DEI standards. [2:25:23] It's not something you have to tick some boxes. [2:25:25] What do you mean two of four DEI standards? [2:25:26] Pull up the standard. [2:25:27] Yeah, you have to have two of four DEI. [2:25:29] They even said you have to have an underrepresented racial ethnic groups, an ensemble cast of [2:25:35] at least 30% represent from two underrepresented, some of them with disability. [2:25:39] First of all, diversity is a good thing, especially on screen. [2:25:42] Oh, stop it. [2:25:42] I know you don't like that. [2:25:43] I know it's a bad word. [2:25:44] D-word is a bad word. [2:25:45] You know why you're here? [2:25:47] You know why I'm talking to you? [2:25:51] Do you know why I'm talking to you? [2:25:53] Do you know why I'm talking to you? [2:25:54] You needed to hear from me that you wouldn't be allowed into America if Trump was president. [2:25:57] Do you know why I'm talking to you? [2:25:58] You'd have to come in illegally. [2:25:59] Betty, do your stick. [2:26:00] I'll let you finish. [2:26:01] And then I'll say, do you know why I'm talking to you? [2:26:02] Why do you think I'm talking to you? [2:26:03] Please tell me. [2:26:04] Because you're good at what you do. [2:26:05] I appreciate that. [2:26:06] That's why you're here. [2:26:07] I appreciate that. [2:26:07] Imagine if I said, hey, Rob, moving forward. [2:26:10] Listen, we need three disabled, two black, four gay, five this. [2:26:15] I know you need to tell your audience. [2:26:16] No, I'm not doing it. [2:26:18] In fact, the person who does that is Hegseth right now. [2:26:20] He's literally blocking black women and women from becoming generals and admins. [2:26:23] You are so obsessed with Trump. [2:26:25] Just ask him for a job, bro. [2:26:27] Just go and say, can I be part of this freaking cabinet? [2:26:30] He wouldn't give it to you because I'm brown. [2:26:31] I'm thinking, I'm almost thinking you are so obsessed. [2:26:34] It's like, you know, these girls that are so in love with somebody secretly. [2:26:38] It's like, it's infatuated. [2:26:39] I love that's the only argument you have. [2:26:40] Can I go? [2:26:41] No, you lost this one, but it's okay. [2:26:43] No, I didn't because technically you wouldn't be sitting here if Trump was president. [2:26:45] You already agreed. [2:26:46] I'm going to sell your book like no one's ever sold your book. [2:26:49] I love it. You are a great salesman. [2:26:49] Go buy this book. [2:26:50] I want to say something nice about you. [2:26:51] I'm going to say you're a great salesman. [2:26:52] By the way, the biggest part about this thing is I am so proud. [2:26:57] I am so proud that we converted another socialist into capitalist. [2:27:01] That is probably the proudest moment to somebody like that. [2:27:03] You did. [2:27:04] And I give you credit. [2:27:05] I am so proud of you that you're publicly now a capitalist and you're creating jobs. [2:27:09] You can be a capitalist and a socialist. [2:27:10] Can we do the one word answers, please? [2:27:12] All right. [2:27:14] Tommy Robinson. [2:27:16] Bigot. [2:27:17] Nigel Farage. [2:27:19] Overrated. [2:27:20] Sadiq Khan. [2:27:22] Underrated. [2:27:23] Ilhan Omar. [2:27:24] Patriot. [2:27:25] AOC. [2:27:27] Presidential. [2:27:29] Interesting. [2:27:29] J.D. Vance. [2:27:31] Fraud. [2:27:33] Marco Rubio. [2:27:35] Little. [2:27:36] Little. [2:27:37] Trump. [2:27:38] Little Marco. [2:27:39] Okay, I got you. [2:27:39] I want to quote my man Trump. [2:27:40] Respect. [2:27:41] Respect. [2:27:41] Newsome. [2:27:43] Although Marco Rubio could be your president, by the way. [2:27:45] Newsome. [2:27:47] Slick. [2:27:48] Interesting. [2:27:49] Musk. [2:27:50] Idiot. [2:27:52] Bezos. [2:27:54] Spineless. [2:27:56] Spineless. [2:27:57] Spineless. [2:27:58] What's the point of having fuck you money if you never say fuck you? [2:28:00] Just rolled over for Trump. [2:28:01] So you just want him to do that? [2:28:02] He doesn't like Trump. [2:28:03] I prefer the people who love Trump. [2:28:05] You know, I prefer the true believers. [2:28:06] Yeah. [2:28:06] These people who just hate Trump privately but roll over for him? [2:28:09] Yeah. [2:28:09] Can't stand them. [2:28:09] Spencer Pratt. [2:28:11] Pratt. [2:28:12] Joe Rogan. [2:28:15] Enigma. [2:28:16] Enigma? [2:28:16] Yeah, I don't know what to make of him. [2:28:17] Sometimes I'm like interesting. [2:28:18] Sometimes I want an idiot. [2:28:19] Have you guys ever done anything? [2:28:20] No, I've never done anything. [2:28:21] Well, you would do it though. [2:28:23] Would I go on Joe Rogan's show? [2:28:24] There was a time when I said 100% yes. [2:28:26] Now, maybe. [2:28:27] I'd come on PBD. [2:28:28] Yeah. [2:28:28] I want to reach new audiences. [2:28:29] Why did you say you wouldn't go, you said to Bassam you wouldn't go on a bunch of different [2:28:33] podcasts? [2:28:33] Yeah. [2:28:34] I didn't say I wouldn't. [2:28:35] Did it change? [2:28:35] Like Fox. [2:28:36] I don't go on Fox. [2:28:38] I don't go on Fox. [2:28:39] Maybe I should change everything. [2:28:40] I've tried to have a hygiene rule. [2:28:41] I talk about it in the book. [2:28:42] Maybe I've just abandoned my hygiene rule. [2:28:43] I think you should go everywhere. [2:28:45] I think you should go everywhere. [2:28:45] It's a tricky argument. [2:28:46] There's pros and cons. [2:28:47] Do you know why? [2:28:48] There's pros and cons. [2:28:49] What's the con? [2:28:50] The cons are platforming people who don't deserve the legitimacy of mainstream platforms. [2:28:54] Okay. [2:28:55] You're such a big deal like we shouldn't go to all these other places. [2:28:58] If I go on Fox, I'm basically telling people that's a legitimate news organization. [2:29:01] I believe it's a legitimate news organization. [2:29:02] It's a propaganda channel. [2:29:03] All right. [2:29:04] Okay. [2:29:04] I don't want to be part of that. [2:29:05] BB. [2:29:06] Criminal. [2:29:07] Biden. [2:29:08] Criminal. [2:29:09] Hillary Clinton. [2:29:10] Annoying. [2:29:14] I'll finish with that one. [2:29:16] That's what we'll finish with. [2:29:17] Hillary Clinton. [2:29:18] She got a lot of credit. [2:29:19] Folks, this was a good conversation. [2:29:21] Thank you for having me. [2:29:22] Go order this book. [2:29:23] Win the art of debating every argument. [2:29:26] That's a horrible cover. [2:29:27] Win every argument. 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