Mamta Kafle Bhatt: The Preceptor Who Spent 40 Hours a Week With Her — Full Testimony — Day 11

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Okay ma'am, do you finally swear or affirm that the evidence you shall give in this case before the court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. [00:00:08] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:00:09] Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, Ms. Williams. Thank you, Anna. [00:00:13] Speaker 3: Good afternoon, ma'am. Good afternoon. Could you please state your name for the court and spell it, please, for the court reporter? [00:00:22] Speaker 1: This is Sunita Bosnit Thapa, S-U-N-I-T-A-S-U-N-I-T-A. B-A-S-N-E-T-T-H-A-P-A. Thank you, ma'am. And what language do you prefer to speak with us in? I would start with English for now, and if I need any help, I'll ask. Thank you. Ms. Thapa, where are you from? Originally, I am from Nepal, but now from Maryland. And when did you come to the United States? 2007, January. [00:01:03] Speaker 3: 2007. 2007, in January? Yes. And are you employed, ma'am? Yes. What is it that you do? I'm a nurse. And how long have you worked as a nurse? I've been working as a nurse for 29 years. So 29 years? [00:01:22] Speaker 1: Yes. Where do you work as a nurse? I worked back home about 10 years. Then I came to the States, and I started working in different places, Texas, Maryland. But my recent job was in Inova Hospital. Then I recently changed my job to Holy Cross Hospital, Germantown. [00:01:47] Speaker 3: In 2023 and 2024, where were you working then? Inova Hospital. The Inova Hospital? That's correct. And what was the location of that Inova Hospital? In Fairfax. Do you know a person named Mamta Koffle? Yes, I do. Who is Mamta Koffle? [00:02:16] Speaker 1: She's a human. And she's a mother, a daughter, a very good friend of mine, and a nurse. When did you first meet Mamta Koffle? I believe that was May or June, maybe May 2023. [00:02:40] Speaker 3: You said May or June of 2023? That's correct. What were your initial impressions of Mamta? [00:02:52] Speaker 1: She was very kind. Very kind. And she was very helpful, very modest, very, very, very simple, and naive. She was very naive. [00:03:10] Speaker 3: When you first met Mamta, did she have any children? No, she did not. When you first met Mamta, to your knowledge, was she married? Yes, she was married. She told me she was married. Did you come to know who she was married to? Not is what. At any point, did you meet Naresh Bhatt? Yes, I did. If you saw Naresh Bhatt in court, would you recognize him? Yes, I do. Do you recognize him in the courtroom here today? Yes, he's there in Black Court. I'll ask you to point out where he's sitting. Yeah, he's right there. I would ask the court to know that the witnesses identified the defendant. [00:03:53] Speaker 2: The record will reflect that. [00:03:54] Speaker 3: Thank you, Your Honor. Did you work with Mamta? Yes, I did. And where was it that you worked with Mamta? [00:04:05] Speaker 1: That was in Inova Hospital, Fairfax. [00:04:09] Speaker 3: Did you spend time with Mamta when you were working with her? Yes, I did. About how much time would you say you were spending with Mamta when you were working? [00:04:19] Speaker 1: Actually, I was her preceptor, so I was training her and we spent like entire 12 hours, 3 days in a week, so I spent 36 to 40 hours for like 2 or 3 months continuously. We were like 2 people, but like you know, one person like that. Could you explain to the members of the jury what a preceptor is? A preceptor is the one role of the nurse, so when you nurse hired and they are in the unit, so preceptor has the role and responsibility to, you know, train them and for Mamta, she was basically, you know, brand new in the American hospital. And I was, you know, training her clinical part. So you were Mamta's preceptor? [00:05:13] Speaker 3: That's correct. When did you first start training Mamta? [00:05:18] Speaker 1: Maybe May or June, I don't clearly remember the first week. [00:05:23] Speaker 3: But did you know Mamta before you started training her? [00:05:25] Speaker 1: No, I did not. [00:05:27] Speaker 3: When you started training her, that was the first time you encountered Mamta? [00:05:30] Speaker 1: Yes, I saw her before she actually started training because she came to the interview with my, with the clinical director and clinical director sent, brought Mamta to the floor and she introduced and there is a part of interview. So they would, you know, look at shadow and observe the unit and, you know, that is the chances given to the new nurse if they like the floor and also they asked me, you know, if that nurse is, you know, compatible to our unit. So I heard, you know, was in the part of that interview process, so, you know, I observed her and she was waiting for two hours, then she went, then after she came accepting the job, that is when I started training her. [00:06:21] Speaker 3: Okay, let's break that down just a little bit. Did you have the occasion to see Mamta shadow the unit before she started working there? That's correct. And what was her attitude when she was shadowing the unit before she started working there? [00:06:35] Speaker 1: She was very, very kind, very helpful, and keen to learn. [00:06:41] Speaker 3: And you previously testified that you were tasked with determining whether or not somebody was compatible. What do you mean by compatible? [00:06:52] Speaker 1: Like, if she likes the unit, you know, and what is her pace, what is her previous experience, those are the thing, you know, like, who is observing, you know, like, we allow to talk about that, you know, and if that is compatible, if that is the exact thing she was looking for, and, you know, like, she can pick the pace of the unit. Okay. Did you think that Mamta was compatible with your unit? [00:07:18] Speaker 3: Absolutely. Once Mamta started working at your hospital, what were her shifts in relation to yours? [00:07:28] Speaker 1: It was a day shift, so it starts 7 o'clock in the morning to 7 p. But we need to be there, needed to be there 30 minutes before, so we would start 6:30 in the morning, and when we finish our report, you know, it might take like 45 minutes or one hour, even. Sometimes, you know, like, I would say 6:30 to 7:30 or 8:00 in the evening. [00:07:52] Speaker 3: So for the day shift, you would begin at 6:30 in the morning? Yes. And what time would you end? [00:07:58] Speaker 1: We end up about, like, 7:30 or 8:00. [00:08:01] Speaker 3: Did you follow Mamta on social media? Yes, I do. How active was she on social media? She was very active. What kind of activity would you see from her social media? [00:08:20] Speaker 1: She used to, I saw, like, you know, making TikTok videos, posting, posing with her family, and, you know, like, when, like, she, like, was kind of traveler, and when she goes here and there, and, you know, trying food, and with different outfits, those kind of things. How often would Mamta post to social media? Maybe daily or, like, you know, two or three times a week. So two to three times a week? Yeah, maybe. I actually did not count, but, you know, I just assumed. I quite often see them. [00:08:58] Speaker 3: And at any point did Mamta become pregnant while you knew her? Yes. [00:09:02] Speaker 1: How did Mamta feel about her pregnancy? [00:09:07] Speaker 3: How did Mamta feel about her pregnancy? She was very, very excited. At any point did Mamta take maternity leave from the Fairfax Inova Hospital? She did. Do you know when she started taking maternity leave? Yes. Yes. [00:09:25] Speaker 1: So it was Friday before she gave birth, and she was working very hard, you know, like, she would not take care of herself. She would just, you know, jump to help everybody, and, you know, we had to, because she was leaking so many times when she was working. And she had extra pant, and I talked to my nurse educator and my clinical director. Hey, this girl is working very hard, and she's almost due. And I think they stopped, you know, clinical, you know, educator. Nurse educator sent her an email and asked her to, you know, stay home until she gives birth. So I think she was, you know, on leave the Friday before she gave birth. So she was on leave on Friday, then Sunday she had already given birth. I think Sunday or something like that, that during the weekend she gave birth. [00:10:27] Speaker 3: Okay. I'm going to break that down just a little bit. You said she was working the Friday before giving birth on Sunday. Yeah. You previously testified that she was working and she was leaking. Yes. What do you mean by when she was leaking? [00:10:39] Speaker 1: When she was working and, you know, I started feeling like she had a pressure to finish work. And because, like, you know, in my experience I trained other people too, but Mamta had some kind of pressure or some kind of, you know, fearfulness to lose her job. So she wanted that, get it done in any cost, you know, like, and on top of that she was pregnant. And sometimes, you know, like she would go to bathroom and puke without letting me know. And, you know, when she comes back, you know, to the floor and I would notice, you know, as being, you know, a mother and, you know, she was almost like my daughter's age. And I would ask what happened she would like, you know, come with all flossy face and, you know, like eyes in the chair. So those kind of stuff. And she, she would say just, I did not, you know, want to bother you. I went to bathroom, I puked, and like that. And on top, on top of that at the, almost the end of the, her trimester, last trimester. And she started and I noticed one day she had extra pant, scrub pant on her locker. And I asked her, why do you have it? And she said when she, you know, puke or like, you know, and our unit was very heavy unit, very fast paced unit, you know, and she would run to help her. And there on top of that, our work was very, very like hard. You know, we do have some coma patient, craniotomy and everything. And when she, you know, pulled patient or thing, I try not to give her that kind of stuff. But, you know, like when she pulls and she would leak and she used to change her pants in the work. [00:12:24] Speaker 3: So going back a little bit, could you briefly describe the role of a nurse in Fairfax Inova? What some of those job descriptions are? [00:12:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, so job descriptions are to, you know, admit the patient and do their assessment. And it was in neuro unit and we were like, you know, that unit used to be IMC. That means intermediate care unit and general unit. So, you know, like we used to have severity of the patient and our patient nurse ratio was, if you are in the general unit, it used to be one is to four. And in IMC, it is like one for three patients. So, you know, like some of the patient who are, you know, like since it was like neuroscience. So, you know, and third tertiary level hospital. So we had very critical patients, you know, they were in coma or craniotomy, you know, and they were paralyzed, all those kind of stuff. And some of the patient were even combative abusive. So, you know, our job was, you know, for me as a preceptor and knew that she's, you know, pregnant. So, you know, I tried to. [00:13:38] Speaker 2: I'll sustain that objection. [00:13:43] Speaker ?: Understood, Your Honor. [00:13:44] Speaker 3: I'll redirect the witness. As a nurse, are you on your feet a lot? Yes. When you're talking about Mamta leaking, was she living in Falls Church at the time, to your knowledge? I think so. And when you said that she was working the Friday before she gave birth, do you know what date we're talking about with that? No, I'm not clear. Are you familiar with the date she gave birth? 20th, August. August 20th of what year, ma'am? 2023. When Mamta gave birth, did you visit her in the hospital? [00:14:26] Speaker 1: Yes. [00:14:27] Speaker 3: When did you visit her in the hospital after she gave birth? [00:14:31] Speaker 1: Maybe that night or the day after, maybe, maybe day after she gave birth. She was still in the hospital and I went to see her. And why did you go see her in the hospital? Mamta was like my, you know, little sister and the timeframe we had developed like, you know, like mother daughter kind of, you know, relationship. And even like, you know, we used to talk a lot and I was getting all the updates. And once we let her, you know, stay home and I was keeping checking if she gave birth. So knew that. And also that is our tradition, you know, as a Nepali tradition. So go see them. [00:15:15] Speaker 3: What's the relevance? It's the identification of the defendant as well. And I'm happy to get to it more quickly than I am, but that's the first time she met the defendant. MS. [00:15:28] Speaker 2: I'll ask you to get to it more quickly than you are then. MS. Understood. I'm sure if I can. [00:15:32] Speaker 3: MS. MS. Before Mamta had given birth, had you ever met the defendant? MS. No, I did not. MS. When was the first time you met the defendant? [00:15:43] Speaker 1: MS. When I went to meet Mamta and Nima, that's when I met Norris. MS. And was that in the hospital? MS. [00:15:51] Speaker 3: What were your first impressions of the defendant? MS. I did not like it. [00:15:58] Speaker ?: MS. [00:15:59] Speaker 3: I'll give her a little leeway. MS. Thank you, Your Honor. What were your first impressions of the defendant, ma'am? MS. [00:16:06] Speaker 1: I felt Mamta was insulted in front of us. MS. [00:16:10] Speaker 3: Judge, that's speculative. MS. [00:16:12] Speaker 2: I'm going to sustain that and strike it. MS. Understood. MS. [00:16:17] Speaker 3: Ma'am, what, if anything, did the defendant, Naresh Bat, say to you when you visited Mamta at the hospital? [00:16:26] Speaker 4: MS. [00:16:27] Speaker ?: Judge. Judge. MS. [00:16:30] Speaker 2: Judge. Do you all need to approach -- I don't know the answer, so. MS. If we can. [00:16:36] Speaker ?: MS. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. MS. [00:19:08] Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, the jury, I'm going to -- I'm going to need to handle this without you in the courtroom. I apologize if you can flip out. We'll do this as quickly as possible. Thank you. [00:19:22] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:19:52] Speaker 1: Thank you. I was asking me if she can use any kind of baby cream or something for a baby because she was concerned because, you know, I was still her preceptor. She was concerned if baby would get any baby, you know, like rashes or something. And I told mom that, hey, you know, you know, this is just one day old baby. You don't need to use any rask cream or anything that is vernix, you know, vernix is that, you know, like lubricating part of the, you know, like newborn. So you don't need to be worried. So I answered her and that time Norris told me what kind of nurse you are to mom. So, you know, like I said that was kind of insulting, you know, like saying that to mom, you know, and mom that would consider me a big sister or like a mother and I had another co worker. [00:21:11] Speaker 2: Did he say anything else that day? [00:21:13] Speaker 1: That's what he said. [00:21:15] Speaker 2: What kind of nurse you are? [00:21:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. [00:21:16] Speaker 2: Anything else? 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For members of the jury, can you explain what Naresh said while in the hospital room with [00:25:04] Speaker 1: Mamta and yourself? Sure. So when I was there to meet Mamta and Nima, basically I went to meet Nima and Mamta was and Norris was there. And, you know, I held the baby and Mamta asked me, I think I was still her preceptor. Mamta asked me if there is any, if -- Stop one second. [00:25:26] Speaker 2: Here say some questions overruled. [00:25:30] Speaker 1: You can continue, ma'am. Okay. And Mamta asked me if she can use any cream, any tube cream for the baby for any like rashes. And I told her, hey, Mamta, this baby is just one year old. You know, like one day old baby doesn't get -- I mean to say one day. One day baby doesn't get any rashes. So, you know, it is just vernix, you know, when new baby comes, you know, they have all this lubricant thing. You don't need to be worried. And that is when Norris told that what kind of nurse you are to Mamta in front of me and other coworkers. He said what kind of nurse you are to Mamta? Yes. Yeah. [00:26:11] Speaker 3: What, if anything, did you observe about his tone? [00:26:15] Speaker 1: It was kind of sarcastic, you know, insulting kind. I felt insult. Yes, ma'am. [00:26:24] Speaker 2: I'm going to sustain the objection, it's irrelevant how she felt. [00:26:34] Speaker ?: Understood. [00:26:35] Speaker 3: Did Mamta ever invite you to parties for her daughter? Yes, she did. What kind of parties would Mamta invite you to for Nima? It was a rice feeding ceremony. And could you explain to us what a rice feeding ceremony is? [00:26:50] Speaker 1: This is our tradition when daughters are like five months and we introduce the solid food and with the big ceremony. So that is rice feeding. [00:27:01] Speaker 3: And what age of the baby would you start introducing solid foods? [00:27:07] Speaker 1: We have different ages for boy and girl. So for the baby girl, it is five months, baby boy, it is six months. [00:27:18] Speaker 3: And for Nima, when was that rice feeding ceremony scheduled for? I would say in December, maybe December. And did that rice feeding ceremony occur in December? No. Your knowledge was the December rice feeding ceremony date changed. Yes. [00:27:47] Speaker 2: We're all that. Jerry said she was invited. [00:27:55] Speaker 3: Your knowledge was that they changed. [00:28:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, so initially she invited me she said hey it is going to happen and then like she did not, you know, update me. [00:28:18] Speaker 2: Trying to think of what statement would be for the truth of the matter. [00:28:27] Speaker 1: Ma'am, you can answer the question. Yeah, then so like almost the date was coming and she did not give me any update, you know, like where do I need to come this and that and I inquired about her. Hey, what happened do I still need to come and she said no date is changed and I was not invited for the second one. [00:28:52] Speaker 3: Your knowledge when did mom to return to work after her maternity leave December. Did you see her in December? Yes, December last week. And what year are we telling them 23 December of 2023? Yes, when she came back to work. Did you see her at work? Yes, I saw her at work. Did you notice anything about mom to when she returned to work in December of 2023. Yes, I saw a bruise on her face. We're on her face. Did you see the bruise? I would say maybe these know this right here. Around here of the record. The witness is pointing to the left side of her face below her eye. [00:29:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, the record will reflect that. [00:29:40] Speaker 3: What color was the bruise? It was dark. Did she tell you how she got the bruise? She told me she fell down. Response. Yes, your Honor. This goes to the state of mind of the victim, as contemplated in Jordan v. Commonwealth, as contemplated in Hodges v. Commonwealth, and Clay v. Commonwealth. [00:30:04] Speaker 2: You can. Thank you. [00:30:06] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:32:35] Speaker 2: All right, so the objection is overruled at this point. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:32:52] Speaker 3: And ma'am, you can answer the question or I can repeat it if you'd like me to. [00:32:56] Speaker 2: Why don't you repeat it so it's clear? Understood. [00:32:59] Speaker 3: Thank you. What, if anything, did Mamta tell you how she got the bruise? In December. In December. Yeah. She said she fell down. When Mamta returned to work in December of 2023, what shift did she work in relation to yours? She started working during the night shift. And what shift? Were you working at that time? A shift. Were you seeing Mamta a lot during that time? [00:33:30] Speaker 1: No. We used to see in transition of the shift around, like, overlapping time. You said in the transition of the shift you would see her? Yes. [00:33:37] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. [00:33:38] Speaker ?: At any point did you return to the same shift that Mamta was working? [00:33:38] Speaker 1: No. Mamta returned to the same shift I was working. [00:33:40] Speaker ?: Mamta returned to the shift that you were working? Yes. Yes. And that was the day shift? Yes. And that was the day shift? That was the day shift. [00:33:45] Speaker 3: And when did she return to the day shift? And when did she return to the day shift? [00:33:50] Speaker ?: And when did she return to the day shift? I clearly don't remember. Maybe February or January or February. [00:33:50] Speaker 3: So January and February? And what year was that? That was 2024. I'm going to back up just a little bit. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Because, no, she was still working night shift. And when did she return to the day shift? Yes. Momta returned to the shift that you were working? Yes. And that was the day shift? That was the day shift. [00:34:03] Speaker 1: And when did she return to the day shift? I clearly don't remember. Maybe February or January or February. So January and February? [00:34:10] Speaker 3: And what year was that? That was 2024. I'm going to back up just a little bit. [00:34:15] Speaker ?: No, no, no, no. I'm sorry. [00:34:17] Speaker 1: Because, no, she was still working night shift till February. So February? Yeah. She was still working night shift. And in February, to your knowledge, February of 2024, what shift was she working in February? [00:34:33] Speaker 3: She was working night shift. Night shift? At any point after the night shift that she was working in February of 2024, did she return to days? Yes. [00:34:47] Speaker 1: So she returned to days like March or April. March or April of that same year? Yes. [00:34:55] Speaker 3: Thank you, ma'am. You're welcome. I'm going to back up just a little bit. You previously testified that you were born in Nepal? That's correct. How long did you live in Nepal? 30 years. 30 years, you said? Yes. And are you familiar with the Nepali culture? Yes, I do. To your knowledge, did Mamta have a name that she referred to Naresh as? [00:35:28] Speaker ?: Answer that. No. What's that again, please? [00:35:31] Speaker 1: Maybe I need the help. Oh, yes. [00:35:34] Speaker ?: I'm sorry. [00:35:34] Speaker 1: I must clear the record. Did she ask for interpretation? Yes. I missed that. [00:35:38] Speaker ?: You're absolutely fine. Sorry, I asked. [00:35:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good. I'm good now. [00:35:40] Speaker ?: Thank you so much. [00:35:41] Speaker 4: You're welcome. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. I must clear the record. Did she ask for interpretation? Yes. I missed that. Sorry, I asked. [00:35:50] Speaker 2: You're absolutely fine. Sorry, I asked. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good now. Thank you so much. Yes, Amanda used to call him. [00:35:56] Speaker ?: I'm happy to lay that foundation. [00:35:56] Speaker 2: Lay the foundation. [00:35:57] Speaker 1: So, without telling me what the name is, how do you... I will strike it. Understood. [00:36:07] Speaker 3: Without telling me what the name is, how do you... I will strike it. Understood. Without telling me what the name is, how do you... I will strike it. Understood. Without telling me what the name is, how do you know that Mamta had a name that she would refer to Naresh by? Listening to the conversation, phone conversation. And you said listening to the phone conversation? Yes. And who was on the phone conversation to your... Naresh. And who was speaking into the phone? Mamta. And based on those phone conversations, was there a name that was being used by Mamta to refer to Naresh? [00:36:53] Speaker 1: Yes. So... I'm still going to object... [00:37:00] Speaker 3: Back of the foundation as... [00:37:11] Speaker 2: Mamta say something. [00:37:14] Speaker ?: I'm going to allow it. [00:37:15] Speaker 2: I think by the preponderance of the evidence, she's laid the foundation. [00:37:20] Speaker 3: Thank you, Your Honor. And what was the name that Mamta was using to refer to Naresh? Do you want me to tell you? If you could say the name. Okay. That is Raza and Raza means king. Is it Raza and Raza means king? Yes. [00:37:36] Speaker ?: Overruled. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:37:37] Speaker 3: And based on your familiarity with the Nepali culture, what, if anything, does that name signify to you? [00:37:51] Speaker 1: That signifies the ownership and as well as love. Both. Sustained. Understood. I can move on. [00:38:02] Speaker 2: I will strike that, strike that answer from the record. [00:38:09] Speaker 3: So, Ms. Thapa, I'm going to direct your attention to February of 2024. In February of 2024, did Mamta ever talk to you about her relationship? Yes, she did. How did she contact you initially about that? She called me in messenger. You said messenger? Yes. Is that Facebook messenger? That's correct. And how on Facebook messenger did she contact you? [00:38:40] Speaker 1: She, I was at work and it was almost the time for her to come. And she called me in messenger to ask the objection to. [00:38:55] Speaker 2: I have to ask, so I'm about to get a question, which by its very nature is not going to be hearsay. I'm going to ask you to take this very slowly. Just answer the questions that are asked. Okay. Understood. [00:39:09] Speaker 3: How did Mamta contact you on Facebook messenger? On my phone. And was there any video or audio component to that contact? It was audio. And what, if anything, did you observe about Mamta's tone in that conversation? She was crying. How could you tell she was crying? It was a crying voice. At any point did Mamta talk about being in trouble? [00:39:53] Speaker 2: Thank you. [00:40:23] Speaker ?: Thank you. 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