LOOK: Ombudsman Remulla, Trillanes attend VP Duterte impeachment hearing — ANC

[0:00] all the complainants at least to be acknowledged comsec the complainants in the sabalia et al [0:10] impeachment complaint father joel tadena sabalia father rogelio del rosario sister geraldine denoga [0:22] dc pinky tam father josedito sarabia cm and pastor leonardo arevalo and the councils for the [0:34] uh complainants attorney amando virgil ligutan and attorney stephen magalyon the chair acknowledges [0:44] the presence of complainants in sabalia et al complain the second impeachment complaint comsec [0:54] please for the cabrera impeachment complaint attorney nataniel g cabrera complainant may we [1:08] know if attorney cabrera is present no one answered let it be placed on the record that while the [1:17] sabalia et al complainant are present attorney cabrera is not present in our hearing today [1:24] the chair likewise direct the committee secretary to call the resource person for today's hearing [1:34] thank you madam chair on behalf of the committee on justice we would like to acknowledge the presence [1:39] of the following resource persons from the office of the ombudsman ombudsman jesus christine c [1:45] remulia assistant ombudsman jose dominic f clavano the fourth assistant ombudsman luis gonzaga s bono [1:54] and jr assistant ombudsman armando s sanchez jr attorney karen s could we ask those called to acknowledge [2:06] that they are present we are requesting the resource persons to please rise as their your names are called [2:12] and we already saw the appearance and the acknowledgement of our colleague congressman [2:18] ombudsman remulia thank you for the succeeding resource persons please rise as your names are [2:26] called by the committee secretary attorney karen s batu oic of the crd attorney jeffrey l ravello gip03 [2:41] assistant ombudsman eliseo dc cruz assistant ombudsman margaret andaman from the bureau of internal [2:53] revenue bir commissioner attorney charlito martin r mendoza deputy commissioner attorney larry m [3:02] barcelio barcelo deputy commissioner attorney marisa o cabre cabreros oic regional director [3:11] mr narciso narciso tila guerta revenue district officer trinidad a villiamil revenue [3:22] district officer jefferson b taboga mr charlie i esto o ic revenue district officer joseph b [3:35] arguelles revenue district officer joseph melchor d ebalia oic revenue district officer ellen s tampos [3:47] miss celia rizalinda a mabanag miss anne lorraine c garcia marquez attorney rachel caroline villachon mr [4:05] rupert ambil from the securities and exchange commission attorney gerardo f del rosario attorney [4:19] romwald c padilla assistant director algin m lakanaria from the anti-money laundering council [4:28] executive director attorney ronel u buenaventura attorney anthony lawrence m morales attorney arnold [4:38] t cabanlit attorney irano a dumale and former senator antonio sani f trilianis the fourth thank you [4:49] that's all your honor except for the resource persons who have taken their oath already during our last [4:57] hearing in april on april 14 may we request the rest of the resource persons to please rise so that [5:05] the oath will be administered come sec please please raise your right hand you swear to tell the truth [5:13] the whole truth and nothing but the truth before this committee thank you for the organized presentation [5:24] of our evidence and resource persons the chair would like to announce the order of presentation of our [5:32] resource persons the first will be the ombudsman followed by the amlc and then the bir and then the sec [5:43] and last will be former senator sani trillianis we will be following the said order before we proceed [5:51] to the presentation of our resource persons may we know from the comsec whether the documents submitted [5:58] during the last hearing that is april 14 have been furnished to the vice president the complainants [6:06] and all the justice members comsec your honor the documents received on april 14 from the securities [6:14] and exchange commission the commission on audit the bureau of internal revenue in so far as the [6:23] transmittal only were received on april 14 and on april 16 we received from the commission on audit the [6:31] decision decision decision number 20 26 171 dated april 10 the notice of this allowance and transmittal [6:39] these were sent to all members of the of the committee on justice regular and ex-officio and as well as [6:47] to the respondent and counsel and complainants and counsel your honor um as far as the submissions of the [6:58] securities and exchange commission and the commission and audit were concerned these were sent to the office [7:03] office of the vice president on april 15 5 56 pm and acknowledged by the central records unit of the same [7:12] office it was also sent to the complainants sabalia et al through attorney amando virgil ligutan on april 21 [7:23] 3 16 pm and acknowledged on april 21 3 50 pm was also sent to attorney nathaniel cabrera on april 21 2026 at 3 16 pm [7:34] and acknowledged on april 22 am for the april 22 am for the april 22 am [7:40] for the april 16 submission of the commission on audit it was sent to the respondent [7:43] office of the vice president and fortuna rosa and salazar on april 16 and acknowledged by the central records unit of the office of the vice president [7:51] of the office of the vice president on april 17 10 10 25 am it was also sent to the complainants [7:59] sabalia through attorney amando virgil ligutan on april 16 8 26 am and acknowledged on april 21 [8:09] 7 38 am it was also sent to the complainant attorney nataniel cabrera on april 21 at 3 16 pm as far as the documents from the bureau of internal revenue are concerned [8:22] the transmittal only were sent to the respondent and council uh on april 21 at 10 54 am and to the [8:31] complainants on april 21 10 56 am for um this for the sabalia et al impeachment complaint and for the [8:40] complainant attorney nataniel g cabrera it was sent on april 21 10 56 am it's all your honor thank you comsec we [8:53] shall now commence the presentation of our resource persons including the documents that they are they [9:01] will be submitting to this committee the floor is now open for clarificatory questions of the justice [9:08] members madam chair the honorable two ways recognized thank you madam chair uh madam chair since [9:15] nandirito na po yung uh ating uh ombudsman uh base po sa imbitasyon ng sabina netong committee [9:25] pwede po ba akong magproceed para sa aking clarificatory questions you may proceed honorable [9:29] thank you madam chair uh mr ombudsman uh kayo po ay uh naanyahan ngayong araw para makapagdala po ng salen [9:40] nang ating vice president nang ating vice president base po sa aming para po makatulong sa amin sa [9:49] determination of probable cause sa salen violation or uh sa ilgat and wealth po pwede ko po bang matanong [9:58] kung dala po ninyo yung salen ng ating vice president ganda umaga po dala po namin ang mga salen [10:04] hinihingi po ng committee ayon sa sabina doces check home na inyong ibigay sa amin may may we direct [10:20] the comes the committee or secretary to receive the copy of the salens which are being submitted by [10:28] the office of the ombudsman so that the same will form part of the records of our proceeding [10:33] um bago hood ah nagsimula ang ating pagdinig ibigay na po namin ang mga kopya na sabina [10:41] ang mga kopya na mga dokumentong hinihingi ng committee sa amin the committee notes that the [10:48] ombudsman already submitted ahead of the commencement of this proceeding honorable suwa thank you madam [10:56] chair um madam madam chair gusto ko pong tanongin ng ating uh ombudsman kasi base po dun sa paragraph 107 [11:06] ng sabalya complaint ang ating pong vice presidente ay naging uh vice mayor [11:12] ng dabaw nung taong 2007 hanggang 2010 at siya rin po ay naging alkalde ng dabaw mula 2010 hanggang 2013 [11:24] 2016 hanggang 2019 at 2019 hanggang 2022 but i notice madam chair ang naibigay lamang sa ating mga [11:35] dokumento dito ay mga dokumento dito ay mula 2016 hanggang 2024 po pwede ko po bang malaman nasan po yung uh [11:45] salen nung taong 2007 hanggang 2015 nung ating pong uh vice president ay vice mayor at mayor ng dabaw [11:56] uh [12:00] isang ano na ho ano isang paglilinaw kasama ko po dito ang aming uh ang aming [12:06] opisyal ng ombudsman [12:08] si attorney karen batu [12:10] ng central records division [12:12] upang sumagot po sa mga tanong na particular [12:15] tungkol po sa mga dokumento sapagkat hindi ko po [12:18] uh [12:19] nakakikita ito mga dokumentong ito [12:21] sapagat iba po ang aking ginagawa sa office of the ombudsman [12:24] maaari po ipasad na po ang mikropono kay attorney karen batu [12:28] we recognize attorney batu [12:31] please answer the question [12:32] um good morning your honor um [12:34] um [12:36] based po din sa submission namin earlier before the proceedings um [12:40] um [12:41] kasama po sa sinabit namin yung 2007 to 2012 salen ng ating uh [12:46] uh vice president [12:48] um [12:49] may certification din po tayo na [12:51] um [12:52] yung sabina po kasi [12:54] is from [12:55] um [12:56] 2007 to 2013 [12:59] 2016 to [13:00] 2022 [13:01] so yung 2015 po hindi po kasama sa mga [13:05] uh [13:06] sinasabina sa office of the ombudsman [13:08] ang kulang lang po sa mga sinabit [13:10] uh [13:11] sinabmit namin [13:12] attorney batu if i may interrupt kindly speak closer to the microphone [13:15] sige po [13:16] sorry po [13:17] um [13:18] ulitin ko po um [13:19] um [13:20] your honor [13:21] ang meron po kaming sinabit 2007 to 2012 [13:25] ah [13:26] yung pong mga salen na yon [13:28] came from our office of the area office from the Mindanao [13:32] kasi sila po yung repository or custodian ng salen [13:35] during the time na city vice mayor and mayor po yung ating vice president [13:40] so we requested pa po [13:42] so kasama po yun ngayon sa sinabmit namin [13:45] nandun po yun sa submission namin before the proceedings [13:48] okay [13:51] kasi meron lamang po ako dito is [13:53] 2016 hanggang 2024 [13:55] um [13:56] kasama po yun sa binigay po namin sa comsec ngayon [14:03] okay [14:04] anyway [14:05] ah [14:06] with that siguro magsisimula na lang akong magtanong from 2016 to 2024 [14:12] dahil yun lang meron akong record dito at hindi po sa akin na ibigay ng [14:17] ah [14:19] may interrupt honorable chua [14:21] comsec please be directed to provide copy of the copy of the salen submitted by the OMB [14:26] to the justice members [14:28] and later to the complainant and the respondent [14:32] may proceed now madam chair [14:56] may proceed [14:57] thank you madam chair [14:59] madam chair [15:00] ah [15:01] gusto ko pong tanongin ang ating ah [15:03] kagalang galang na ombudsman [15:07] base po dito sa salen no na isinumiti po ninyo dito sa committee [15:13] maaari nyo po bang i-confirm na yung salen po ng ating vice president noong taong 2007 habang siya po ay vice mayor ng Dabao ay may declared net worth na 7.250,497,000 [15:36] for the guidance of the justice members the question is anchored on the 2016 salen [15:43] so [15:44] 2007 [15:45] 2007 [15:46] consequently flash the concern salen for the guidance of the members [15:50] 2007 [15:51] declared net worth [15:59] um your honor um i will just read the content nung 2007 salen ng ating vice president [16:05] and it is stated here na ang kanyang net worth is 7,250,497,000 [16:12] ok so kino confirm po ninyo [16:14] tama po [16:15] yun po yung nakalagay dito sa salen [16:17] thank you po [16:18] can we flash the amount of net worth [16:25] there [16:26] 7,250,000 [16:29] alright [16:30] so dito po sa 7,250,000 sa kanyang pong salen [16:35] magkano po yung kanyang diniklara na cash at saka cash deposit [16:40] um again reading from the salen submitted by the vice president [16:52] yung cash on hand and bank niya um for the year uh various years acquired [16:58] is uh 2,000,000 [17:00] 2,000,000 [17:01] ok thank you po [17:02] dun po sa kanyang 2008 [17:06] sabi po niya ang declared net worth po ng ating vice president at that time [17:13] uh vice mayor po siya noong 2008 is 18.493,616.65 [17:25] tama po ba to? [17:26] do you confirm this? [17:27] um your honor based on the 2008 submitted salen the net worth of the vice president then is 18,493,616.65 [17:37] ok [17:41] at magkaka naman po ang diniklara niyang cash at cash deposit po sa kanyang salen noong 2008 [17:48] um [17:53] ang declaration po niya dito sa kanyang 2008 salen is 2,000,000 din po your honor [18:00] 2,000,000 mga cash salamat po [18:02] punta po tayo sa kanyang salen noong 2009 habang siya po ay vice mayor ng dabaw [18:10] may declared net worth po siya na 18,821,264.65 [18:19] tama po ba? [18:26] please flash 2009 salen [18:28] um your honor again reading from the 2009 submitted salen of the vice president [18:36] ang kanyang net worth din is 18,281,264.65 [18:43] ano po? [18:44] 18,000,000 [18:48] 281,264.65 [18:52] at 281 sorry [18:55] ok [18:57] at magkaka naman po ang kanyang diniklara na cash at cash deposit po dito [19:02] based on the submission of the vice president the cash on hand bank was 2,800,000 po [19:15] 2,800,000 [19:16] marami salamat po [19:17] dumako naman po tayo sa 2010 na salen ng ating vice president habang siya po ay vice mayor ng dabaw [19:28] meron po ditong nakadeclared na net worth na 16,242,886.65 [19:38] kinukumpirma po ba ninyo to? [19:40] um your honor again based on the submission of the 2010 salen by the vice president [19:45] her net worth din was 16,242,886.65 [19:51] marami salamat po [19:52] at magkaka naman po yung halaga na diniklara niya na cash at cash deposit po sa kanyang salen nung 2010 salen [20:01] based on her submission the cash on hand bank during the time was 3,661,622 [20:12] alright marami salamat po [20:16] dumako naman po tayo sa 2011 na salen po ng ating vice president habang siya po ay vice mayor ng dabaw [20:26] may declared net worth po siya na 14,271,148.45 [20:37] kinukumpirma po ba ninyo to? [20:39] um your honor reading from the 2011 salen submitted by the vice president [20:46] her net worth din was declared as 14,271,148.46 [20:54] at magkano naman po ang halaga na diniklara po niyang cash at cash deposit sa kanya pong salen nung 2011 [21:06] um the declared cash on hand bank uh for the 2011 salen was 3,931,125.80 [21:18] okay [21:21] dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2012 na salen habang siya po ay vice mayor ng dabaw [21:29] meron po siya ditong declared net worth na 22,116,101.93 [21:38] kinukumpirma po ba ninyo to? [21:40] um again your honor reading from the submitted 2012 salen of the vice president [21:47] her declared net worth was 22,116,101.93 [21:53] at magkano po yung kanyang diniklarang cash at cash deposit po sa nasabing taon 2012 [22:13] um your honor um yung declared cash on hand bank niya for the 2012 salen was 4,320,532 [22:23] okay marami salamat po [22:25] pumunta naman po tayo sa kanyang 2016 salen habang siya po ay alkaldi po ng dabaw [22:33] dito po meron po siyang declared net worth nilang mag asawa no [22:40] 34,895,997 [22:46] ito po ba'y kinukumpirma ninyo? [22:48] um again your honor reading from the submitted salen [22:52] 2016 salen by the vice president [22:55] ang nakalagay po dito na net worth niya is 34,895,997 [23:02] marami salamat po [23:05] at magkano naman po yung kanyang diniklara na cash at cash deposit sa kanyang 2016 salen [23:11] dito po sa kanyang 2016 salen ang nakalagay po na cash on hand bank 3,750,760 [23:23] marami salamat po [23:25] dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2017 salen [23:33] habang siya po ay alkaldi ng dabaw city [23:35] sabi po sa kanyang salen [23:37] siya po ay nagdeklara ng 44,828,759 [23:41] kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [23:47] your honor reading from the submitted [23:49] 2017 salen of the vice president [23:51] her net worth din was 44,828,759 [23:55] marami salamat po [23:57] at magkano naman po yung kanyang [23:59] declared cash at cash deposit [24:01] noong taong 2017 [24:03] based on her submission your honor [24:06] the cash on bank [24:08] the cash on bank [24:11] cash on hand and bank was declared to be 6,368,596 [24:15] kaming salamat po [24:19] dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2018 salen [24:23] habang siya po ay alkaldi po ng dabaw city [24:27] tama po ba na ang declared network po nilang mag asawa ay 49,699,728 [24:35] kinukonfirm po ba ninyo ito? [24:37] your honor [24:39] again i'm reading from the 2018 [24:41] submission salen [24:43] submission of the vice president [24:45] ang kanyang pong declared net worth din [24:47] was 49,699,728 [24:51] at magkakano naman po dyan yung kanyang [24:53] declared na cash at cash deposit [24:55] noong taong 2018 [24:57] based on her submission [25:02] your honor ang declared [25:04] cash po niya is [25:06] was 3,795,000 [25:08] alright [25:12] dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2019 salen [25:16] habang siya po ay alkalde po ng dabaw city [25:18] ang kanyang pong declared net worth nilang mag asawa [25:22] ay 55,613,051 [25:26] tama po ba ito? [25:28] do you confirm this? [25:30] your honor i'm reading the 2019 salen submitted by the vice president [25:36] and it is stated here that her net worth for then was 55,613,051 po [25:44] at magkakana naman po yung kanyang cash at cash deposit [25:48] noong taong 2019 [25:50] your honor [26:11] based po dito sa submission yung 2019 salen [26:13] wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand [26:15] wala pong [26:17] walang cash or cash deposit na diniklara [26:19] 2019 [26:21] tignan po ninyo na maigi [26:23] your honor [26:40] again [26:42] wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand [26:44] wala pong cash on hand [26:48] dumako po tayo sa kanyang 2020 [26:50] na salen [26:52] habang siya po ay alkalde ng dabaw [26:54] meron po siyang diniklear na net worth [26:56] nilang mag asawa [26:59] 56,583,735.01 [27:03] kinukonfirma po ba ninyo to? [27:05] your honor [27:07] again reading from the submitted 2020 salen [27:11] of the vice president [27:13] ang declared net worth po nyan [27:15] at the time was 56,583,735.1 [27:19] at magkakana naman po yung kanyang cash at cash deposit [27:24] noong taong 2020 [27:26] your honor [27:38] based on this 2020 salen [27:40] wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand [27:42] or cash deposit [27:44] wala rin pong cash at cash deposit [27:47] yes your honor [27:48] okay [27:49] pakidobl check po ninyo [28:13] your honor [28:14] after checking it [28:15] we can confirm na wala pong nakalagay na [28:19] cash on hand [28:20] or deposit [28:21] declared sa 2020 salen [28:23] of the vice president [28:24] okay thank you pa [28:25] punta po tayo sa kanyang 2021 [28:28] na salen [28:29] habang siya po ay alkalde ng dabaw [28:33] ang kanya pong declared network [28:35] nilang mag asawa po dito ay [28:37] 65,308,841 [28:40] tama po ba? [28:42] kinukumpirma po ba ninyo to? [28:44] your honor again [28:45] i'm reading that the [28:46] 2021 salen submitted by the vice president [28:49] at ang declared net worth po niya [28:52] was 65,308,841 [28:56] at magkakana naman po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit [29:00] sa kanyang salen noong 2021 [29:04] your honor based on the 2021 submitted salen of the vice president [29:24] wala pong declared cash on hand or bank deposits [29:29] so tatlong taon na po nawala siyang declared 19,20,21 [29:33] tama po ba? [29:34] based on the submitted salen your honor [29:37] okay thank you [29:38] dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2022 [29:43] na salen [29:45] habang siya po ay vice president [29:48] ang kanya pong declared net worth nilang mag asawa ay 71,058,841 [29:53] tama po ba? [29:54] do you confirm this? [29:56] your honor again i'm reading the 2022 salen submitted by the vice president [30:00] your honor again i'm reading the 2022 salen submitted by the vice president [30:05] at ang kanyang declared net worth for that year was 71,058,841 [30:13] at magkakano po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2022 [30:19] your honor based on the 2022 salen submitted by the vice president [30:39] wala pong naka declare na cash on hand or bank deposits [30:44] pakisiguraduhin po ninyo baka namamalikmat na lang po kayo [30:47] give us a few seconds your honor [30:49] your honor based on our second look for this salen wala din po talaga nakalagay [31:15] na cash on hand or bank deposit [31:17] okay so pupunta po tayo sa 2023 [31:22] dito po meron pong sa kanyang salen meron po siyang declared net worth nilang mag asawa no? [31:29] 77,508,841 do you confirm this? [31:40] your honor based on the submitted 2023 salen of the vice president [31:46] ang nakalagay po na net worth niya for that year was 77,508,841 [31:53] at magkakano naman po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2023 [32:02] your honor based on the 2023 salen submission by the vice president wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposits declared [32:30] so sa 2023 wala pa rin po? [32:33] wala po your honor [32:34] so punta na pong po tayo sa kanyang declared salen for the year 2024 [32:43] ang sabi po dito meron po siyang declared net worth na 88,512,370.22 [32:52] your honor based on the 2024 salen submitted by the vice president [33:00] the declared net worth then was 88,512,370.22 [33:10] at magkakano po yung kanyang cash deposit [33:15] declared cash at saka cash deposit noong taong 2024 [33:18] your honor reading from the 2024 salen of the vice president wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposit for that year [33:45] wala pa rin po [33:47] yes your honor [33:48] so sa madaling salita yung kanya pong cash na din declare was only from 2007 up to 2018 [34:06] tama po ba? [34:07] based on our received copies of the salen your honor [34:13] yun po yung lumalabas na years na meron po siyang declared cash on hand and bank deposits [34:19] at noong 2019 at 2024 kahit na singko po wala po siyang din declara na cash at saka cash on hand [34:27] tama po ba? [34:28] based on the submitted salen your honor wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposits [34:34] kahit singko po? [34:35] wala pong nakalagay your honor [34:41] hindi wow [34:43] thank you po madam chair [34:47] thank you honorable chua [34:51] any other member who wish to raise clarificatory questions? [34:55] to the ombudsman [34:59] any other member? [35:01] madam chair [35:03] the honorable barbers is recognized [35:05] good morning honorable ombudsman Rimulya [35:10] gustok po lamang humingi ng clarification sa inyong taggapan [35:18] based po sa salen ng taong 2007 si VP Zara Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Manases, attorney Manases Carpio ay mayroon pong business interest and financial connection sa mga sumusunod [35:39] 1 Davao Emerging Taipan Corporation [35:46] Davao Bounty Times Food Corporation [35:50] City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation [35:55] kinokumpirman niyo ba ito? [35:58] si attorney Karen Bato po yung pwede sumagot [36:03] yes salamat [36:04] thank you attorney Bato is recognized [36:06] good morning your honor [36:08] again reading from the 2007 [36:10] may we interrupt attorney Bato [36:12] we just like to extend our thanks to ombudsman Boing Rimulya for showing utmost respect to the impeachment process [36:21] thank you for being here [36:23] he is soliciting our excuse because of huge amount of work he has to attend to [36:29] so with the indulgence of the members we're excusing ombudsman Boing Rimulya [36:34] maraming salamat po