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"responding eligibility requirement was upgraded to second level eligibility. In this regard, it is recommended that a provision be included to allow existing employees of provincial and sub-provincial jails who do not currently meet the QS or the qualification standards an opportunity to comply..."
[0:05] responding eligibility requirement was upgraded to second level eligibility.
[0:11] In this regard, it is recommended that a provision be included to allow existing employees
[0:20] of provincial and sub-provincial jails who do not currently meet the QS or the qualification
[0:26] standards an opportunity to comply with the required qualification standards within a specific
[0:34] period. Example, five years or during the five years transition period in order to be absorbed
[0:41] into the BJMP. Relatedly, Section 5 of SB number 203-886-1196 and 1273 provides provided that the
[0:54] BJMP shall take proactive measure in training and enhancing the capacity of employees and personnel
[1:03] of provincial and sub-provincial jails to obtain the necessary qualifications provided further
[1:10] that those who will fail to comply with the qualification standards at the time of the
[1:15] transfer shall be given five years from the lapse of the transition period as provided in this act to
[1:22] complete the necessary requirements for the concerned position. The foregoing provision may be adapted to
[1:30] ensure the existing employees who do not yet meet the QS for absorption into the BJMP are afforded a
[1:37] reasonable and definite period within creates to comply with the requirement for their respective
[1:45] positions. Lastly, as regards Section 7 of SB number 1872, it provides that a special oversight committee
[1:55] shall include the civil service commission. As a member in this regard, the CSC respectfully expresses
[2:05] reservation regarding the membership in the oversight committee considering that as issues arising from
[2:11] the implementation of the proposed bill may be brought before the CSC for resolution. That's all for the
[2:17] civil service commission, your honours. Thank you. Thank you. Next is from the Department of Budget
[2:28] Management. It's not yet here. So we go first to the Department of Finance, represented by
[2:37] Attorney Manuel Rodriguez. Good morning. Good morning, your honours. Your honours, we are yet to submit our
[2:43] official position paper on this subject matter. However, I think it is safe to say that we are retaining our
[2:50] previous position in the similar bill that was filed in the previous congress or congresses wherein we
[2:58] recognize the objective and institutionalization of efficient and competent jail services that may
[3:05] be well be performed by a government agency that is specialized in its operation. However, we deferred the
[3:11] proposed transfer of provincial jails to the BJMP to the DILG having jurisdiction and authority over the BJMP.
[3:23] As regards to the budget, we defer the subject matter to the Department of Budget and Management. However,
[3:30] we note, however, that funds currently dedicated to implement priority programs within a government
[3:35] agency would have to be realigned under the proposed scheme potentially affecting or displacing already
[3:43] existing programs. Hence, any proposed funding from national government should be subject to fiscal
[3:49] programming and the usual budgetary process to ensure that scarce government resources are properly
[3:55] allocated in accordance with the spending priorities that support the country's growth and development.
[4:00] That would be all for now for the Department of Finance, your honours.
[4:04] Okay, thank you. So now, probably before we tackle the other bills on jail integration, probably we can already
[4:14] start with the discussion on the ranking classification of the BFP and BJMP. So the Senators will be asking questions already.
[4:26] Sen. Tulfo is here and he has some concerns with the BFP and the BJMP. So you now have the floor.
[4:32] Actually, Mr. Chair, yung question ko sa mga policies na lang nila at sa kayong mga nangyayari sa loob ng let's start with the BFP
[4:43] and then based on the people that came to my program to complain. As a matter of fact, more than a couple of
[4:53] weeks ago, I was very happy nung mag-announce si DLG Secretary John Vic Rimulya at kanyang in-expose
[5:04] tungkol doon sa rocket ng BFP, worth 15 billion pesos annually from inspection rocket.
[5:11] Bakit po ako natuwa?
[5:14] Dahil for the first time ever, isang DLG Secretary nag-expose nito. Kasi matagal na po ito nangyayari eh.
[5:20] Even when I was still a broadcaster many, many years ago, decades ago, I've been exposing this but nobody was listening to me.
[5:28] Ngayon, si DLG Secretary mismo nag-expose. Natotoo po ito at hindi pwede mag-deny itong mga taga BFP
[5:36] na ang pinakarakit dyan ay iyong fire extinguisher. Kino-corner nila ang fire extinguisher bentahan
[5:45] pabor doon sa kanilang kasabwat na manufacturer at yung iba na gustong pumasok para mag-provide ng fire extinguisher,
[5:58] hindi na nakapasok. Now, ang tanong ko sa mga taga BFP, ano po yung mga ginagawa niyong
[6:06] polisya ngayon nang hindi na maulit ito at magiging malinis na po talaga ang pagpapatakbo
[6:15] ng BFP when it comes to inspection ng fire extinguishers? Wala na ba talaga? Hindi na talaga ba maulit?
[6:26] Mr. Chair, for now, as instructed by no less than the Honorable Secretary,
[6:32] all our fire safety inspectors are now wearing a weatherworm camera
[6:37] to be able to monitor their actions. But it's not only on that particular matter, Mr. Chair.
[6:44] The bold move of the BFP is to relieve the 902 fire safety inspectors in Metro Manila and other regions
[6:53] will soon follow. This may be a result of inadequacy of the number of fire safety inspectors as part of
[7:01] our mandate in the enforcement of the fire code. What we did last Thursday, we were able to discuss this
[7:07] situation to PPSC and FDI for this school to offer courses pertaining to fire safety inspection.
[7:15] So this morning, Mr. Chair, those people who are removed from their posts is undergoing a reintegration
[7:22] and reorientation program. And that is why I came late because I talked to them this morning.
[7:28] And the new designated fire safety inspectors are also into this program undergoing a 40 hours
[7:37] fire safety inspection training for them to be equipped on the knowledge. And at the same time,
[7:42] we incorporate integrity and ethical standard for their actions.
[7:47] Mr. May I interrupt? Okay. Maganda yun na dapat meron silang suot na body-worn camera.
[7:53] In fact, isa ako sa mga nagsuggest niya noon during a budget hearing, hindi lang sa BFP,
[7:59] but also sa other agencies ng ating gobyerno. Pero yung sinasabi mong pagsusot na body-worn
[8:05] camera, hindi naman siyempre sa harap nung habang nakasot ng camera gagawa ng transaksyon yung mga
[8:10] tauhan ninyo. Pwede naman gumawain sa labas. Tama?
[8:13] We recognize that na, Mr. Chair.
[8:16] Now, another way na para ma-distinguish nyo nung kung meron ba talagang nangyayari pa rin
[8:20] anomaly, Mr. Chair, pag pupunta ka sa mga buildings, sa mga mall, pare-pareo yung brand.
[8:26] Kumbaga, iisang brand lang ng fire extinguisher ang nakalagay sa lahat ng business
[8:35] establishments. That should raise a red flag. So are you doing some inspections?
[8:42] Pupunta ka sa lahat ng mga condo units, sa lahat ng mga malalaking business
[8:46] establishments? Bakit iisa lang ang brand ng fire extinguishers? Kasi kung iisa lang
[8:51] brand ng fire extinguishers, ibig sabihin, yun yung pinaburan ng BFP inspectors.
[8:57] Of course, with the blessings of the higher-ups sa BFP.
[9:02] Mr. Chair, we continue doing the monitoring on these anomalies and practices.
[9:08] But what we did for this time is to inform the public that the BFP is not into
[9:16] recommending any kind and any brand of fire extinguisher as well as the expiration
[9:22] because it's not the duty of the bureau fire to recommend we are not into business
[9:27] and to tell the establishment owners that there's a need for you to refill or to recondition
[9:35] in a yearly basis because it's very clear under NFA standard that the fire extinguisher
[9:41] has no expiration. But rather for the establishment owner and their safety officer
[9:48] to ensure that it is operationally ready. Then we already instructed our regional directors
[9:56] to constantly monitor on these particular anomalies of engaging into the business practices
[10:03] of dealing a certain brand of fire extinguisher, Mr. Chair.
[10:07] A follow-up question also. What's your name again, sir?
[10:13] Chief Superintendent Rico Cuadjo, sir.
[10:15] Okay, Chief Superintendent. Another observation that I had in the past ay yung mga personnel ninyo
[10:26] sa BFP ay kasosyo o direktor sa mga manufacturer na fire extinguisher.
[10:37] Is that something that you have already investigated? Because in the past, ako mismo na-research ko yun
[10:42] at in-expose ko nga sa radio program ko yun. So ngayon ba gumagawa kayo ng investigation?
[10:49] Baka meron dyan mga kamag-anak, misis, pamangkin ng mga taga-BFP
[10:54] na kasama sa manufacturers ng fire extinguishers?
[11:05] Yes, sir. Isa po yan ngayon sa tinitingnan namin kasi nga po umabot na sa amin
[11:10] na hindi lang ho certain brand ang nire-recommenda kundi yung sarili pa nilang negosyo.
[11:17] Dahil nga ho may mga kasamahan kami na nag-engage and that is a conflict of interest.
[11:23] It is part of our monitoring, Mr. Chair.
[11:26] We send public this particular platform of a-reklamo para immediately ma-inform po ang BFP
[11:33] kung meron mga anomalies na nangyayari.
[11:35] And second, Mr. Chair, we will be doing a multi-stakeholder forum to discuss these things
[11:41] and I plan, hopefully, Mr. Chair, that I can establish a BFP and Industry Advisory Council
[11:48] so we can, on a regular basis, we can immediately address this particular concern
[11:55] of engaging anomalies within the guise of our safe inspection, Mr. Chair.
[12:01] Mr. Chair, ang modus operandi ng mga taga-BFP, kapag hindi bumili ng fire extinguisher
[12:11] doon sa nirecommenda nila o pag-aari ng mga kasamahan nila, iniipit yung permit.
[12:19] Yun yung sumbong na palagi ko natatanggap noon pa.
[12:21] And I've been exposing that time and time again.
[12:24] Kaya again, sabi ko kanina, I was very happy when DILD Secretary John Vickie Bullia
[12:30] in-expose itong kalukuhan na nangyayari sa BFP.
[12:33] Hopefully, sana matigil na po talaga ito.
[12:37] Yes, yes, Mr. Chair, we assure you that this kind of anomalies and practices done
[12:44] by very few personnel with all due respect to the men and women of the BFP,
[12:50] very few ones who are doing this kind of practices.
[12:53] We initiated what we call a flaming sword oplan to ensure that this anomalies is being monitored
[13:02] and acted immediately.
[13:04] And soon, we will be adopting a BIN scheme or a business ID number inspection scheme
[13:12] that no fire safety inspector will identify a certain establishment to be inspected,
[13:18] but rather it will be a system-generated kind of inspection order.
[13:22] There will be no, wala akong babalik na inspector na mag-inspect sa same establishment
[13:27] so we can monitor on the makikita ho anong mali.
[13:29] Then it will be like the LTO renewal of registration that establishment renewed their FSIC
[13:35] on demand corresponding to the last number of their BIN.
[13:38] Para ho, we can distribute and we can easily monitor anomalies.
[13:41] Kano po katagal o meron bang deadline para ma-release na po yung permit ng isang establishment?
[13:47] Kasi habang tumatagal, wala namang kayong sinasabi.
[13:50] Halimbawa, sa BFP, in fairness, they're not going to say anything na,
[13:53] you need to come up with something.
[13:55] Pero iniipit, tumatagal yung pag-release ng permit,
[13:59] napipilitan itong business owner to come up with something
[14:03] na para mapabilis na yung proseso.
[14:06] So dapat meron kayong deadline, meron kayong number of days na allowed,
[14:09] na after that, kailan ma-release na?
[14:11] Yes, Mr. Chair, we have a citizen charter in accordance to the ease of doing business act.
[14:17] There is a certain number of days that this particular establishment can secure their FSIC.
[14:24] Pag hindi ho pumasok doon yung number of days,
[14:27] then the fire stations, whoever will be the firm,
[14:30] is answerable to this problem, Mr. Chair.
[14:32] Rest assured that we will go into that particular situations.
[14:36] And the citizen charter is already being disseminated all over the countries.
[14:42] And we will post that on our page so that people can see the number of days,
[14:48] the calendar of days that they must secure these necessary permits coming from the BFP, Mr. Chair.
[14:52] Last question na lamang sa BFP, Mr. Chair.
[14:54] Last year, nag-ikot po ako sa mga manufacturing company,
[15:02] Tabotas, dyan sa Kampanaba, Kaloocan,
[15:08] and lahat na napuntahan namin kasama yung mga taga BFP,
[15:12] I don't know, yung mga nung mag-ikot ako, meron bang kasama doon?
[15:16] Wala ata sila dito.
[15:18] Halos lahat sila hindi na-inspect ng BFP, yung mga fire extinguishers.
[15:26] Kung na-inspect man, hindi ko alam bakit nakalusot pa rin.
[15:32] A, is it because kunti lang yung fire extinguishers doon, walang kikitain?
[15:37] Or B, nung mag-inspect, nakapikit, nakapiling yung mata habang ginagawa inspection?
[15:44] Because when I was there, nakita ako eh,
[15:46] mismo yung taga BFP inspector nakasama ko,
[15:49] nagsabi, Senator expired na ito.
[15:52] Senator, dapat hindi ganito ang pagkapuesto ng fire extinguishers.
[15:56] Dapat mas malaki, dapat yung may gulong, dapat doon, hindi sa kaliwa, sa may kanan.
[16:01] Dapat mayroong fire exit, etc.
[16:04] Very important po mag-inspect kayo sa mga manufacturing company
[16:08] kasi marami po mga empleyado doon during working hours.
[16:11] What happens kung may nasunog, di marami matutustan ang mga manggagawa natin.
[16:16] And yet, hindi niyo po in-inspection,
[16:17] siguro dahil kukunti lang ang kikitain those fire extinguishers,
[16:22] or kung hindi man, like I said earlier, inakapiling yung mata dahil meron ng envelope.
[16:27] I'm sorry for the word, sir.
[16:30] Yes, sir. As I stated earlier, we will be adopting what we call the BIN.
[16:35] Wala hong may iwan ng establishment at may-inspect ko sila on the right calendar days
[16:40] because of this business ID number.
[16:42] The last digit of their number will represent the month.
[16:46] We counted already and calculate number of establishment versus the calendar days for inspection.
[16:53] Rest assured that we will look into this matter.
[16:55] I was the ground commander of the Kentex fire, and I don't want the same thing to happen again.
[17:00] So we recognize your observation, Mr. Chair,
[17:05] and we look into this particular matter to ensure that all establishments prior to their operation,
[17:12] especially those establishments operating in a very hazardous situation will be inspected and properly addressed.
[17:17] Yung pong mga bus, provincial buses, na required magkaroon ng fire extinguishers,
[17:26] kasama dyan ba sa jurisdiction ninyo na i-inspect yun?
[17:29] Yes, Mr. Chair, we already have an initial coordination with the OTS, with General Cruz,
[17:40] and I told him that there's a need for us to really implement this kind of safety because there are so many...
[17:47] May question, sir?
[17:48] Yes, Mr. Chair, kasama po siya sa...
[17:51] People are not doing their job because nag-inspected din ako last year sa napakarami mga buses,
[17:57] expired yung mga fire extinguishers.
[17:59] So pag nagkaroon ng sunog, useless, hindi masasalba yung mga pasahero.
[18:05] There will be a thorough coordination with the OTS, Mr. Chair, and we will address this month.
[18:09] Ganon din po sa mga barko, expired yung mga fire extinguishers ng iba.
[18:14] So, ibig sabihin, hindi rin kayo nag-inspect, di ba?
[18:16] Kasama rin sa responsibility nyo.
[18:18] Basta at fire extinguishers yung pinag-usapan, dapat kayo po nag-inspect.
[18:21] Mr. Chair, for vessels, it's the marina.
[18:26] What we are into is when the vessel is on dock, in case of fire occurrences and incident, it's the BFP who will take charge.
[18:35] Okay. Well, then may na-inspect ako isang barko, yung exit nila, nakakandado, nakatali, sira.
[18:43] Dapat na sa inspection. Sabi ko nga dun sa kapitan ng barko, paano ko nagkasunog o malulubog ng barko?
[18:49] Hindi makatakas yung mga pasayro dahil serado yung pinto, yung fire exit nila.
[18:54] Mr. Chair, it is within the marina authority for vessels. It's not part of the mandated functions of the BFP.
[19:01] But coordination is being, we will observe the coordination with the marina, Mr. Chair.
[19:05] So, lastly, mag-inspect po kayo sa mga factories. Ano po?
[19:09] Yes, sir.
[19:09] Dahil marami tayong mga gagawa dyan. Every day, by the hundreds, they're working there, mainit, tapos walang fire exit.
[19:17] In fact, meron ng incidents in the past, many years ago, na natos tayo mga magagawa dahil sinisira ng mga owners ng factory yung mga fire exits.
[19:29] Kasi iniisip nila baka mag-nakaw, mag-puslit ng mga produkto. That's why they locked it. Nang nagkaroon ng sunog, ilan mga magagawang na sunog.
[19:37] So, you have to inspect, please, itong mga factories, okay?
[19:43] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[19:44] Do we note it, Mr. Chair?
[19:46] Siguro, just a follow-up, siguro, yung po sa mga, usually, fire exits, saka yung mga doors, diba, dapat, Chief Superintendent,
[19:54] nagkaroon tayo ng dati problema yung sa ozone dahil yung pagbukas yung pindu.
[19:58] Yung flow po ng directions po ng...
[20:00] Does the BFP check on that also?
[20:02] Yes, Mr. Chair, it's part of the safety...
[20:04] Dapat palabas na eh, diba?
[20:05] Yes, Mr. Chair, it's part of the safety requirements. It depends on the type of occupancy, Mr. Chair.
[20:09] Siguro, just a quick question to follow, doon sa linya ni Senator Tulfo,
[20:16] as the one who is defending the budget of the DILG, which includes the BFP,
[20:21] how effective is the use of body-worn cameras for the fire inspectors?
[20:25] Maganda yan, at least tuwing may inspection sila.
[20:29] Are all inspectors required to wear the body-worn cameras now?
[20:33] Yes, Mr. Chair, before a fire safety inspection to be conducted,
[20:37] the fire safety inspector must wear, as instructed by the secretary,
[20:42] wear the body-worn camera.
[20:43] It's effective because we're able to monitor.
[20:47] Unfortunately, it's limited.
[20:51] That's why my next question,
[20:53] what is the inventory of our present body-worn cameras now sa BFP
[20:58] and how much more do we need para itong sa darating na budget season,
[21:02] mapaghandaan na po natin?
[21:03] Yes, sir. For now, around 50% covers the fire safety inspector.
[21:07] Kaya mag-antayan, matapos yung isa, sir, bago makapag-inspect.
[21:10] But hopefully, we will be able to secure more in the future
[21:13] so that everybody who will be conducting fire safety inspector
[21:16] will have the body-worn camera.
[21:19] Okay, thank you.
[21:20] Yes, Sir.
[21:22] Ito pa, no?
[21:24] Ito ay talamak na reklamo.
[21:25] In fact, I have a friend, I'm not going to mention her name,
[21:29] na kapag may nasusunugan,
[21:31] kadalasan ninanakawan yung nasunugan.
[21:35] At sino po yung nagnanakaw?
[21:38] E taga Bureau of Fire.
[21:39] Alam niyo po yun, ano?
[21:41] I'm sure, you cannot deny that.
[21:43] So, anong steps ang ginagawa ninyo
[21:44] para maiwasan na po yung nasunugan ka na nga,
[21:48] tapos inaasahan mo yung Bureau of Fire,
[21:50] magsisave ng mga properties mo,
[21:52] yun pala, nanakawin ng mga taga Bureau of Fire,
[21:55] ng mga bumbero mismo.
[21:56] Mr. Chair, part of our far ground management now
[22:00] is for the ground commander and the safety officer
[22:03] to look and check all responders in the BFP of possible looting.
[22:11] We called it looting, Mr. Chair.
[22:12] It's the thing of the past already, Mr. Chair.
[22:15] No, sir. It's still happening.
[22:16] That is why, Mr. Chair, na matagal na hong nangyayari,
[22:19] na hanggang ngayon nangyayari pa rin siya.
[22:22] Kaya ho, Mr. Chair,
[22:24] ginagawa namin yung fire ground management supervisions
[22:27] of our ground commanders.
[22:29] But it's not only about BFP.
[22:31] We will include those who board the other fire trucks
[22:35] coming from our auxiliaries.
[22:38] There was an incident in one of the mall near Balintawak
[22:45] that there was a looting incident.
[22:48] And with this FAS, we called it a fire auxiliary service
[22:52] that we will establish within our Bureau
[22:54] to make sure that all these auxiliaries will be counted properly.
[22:59] It will be part of the fire ground management supervision, Mr. Chair.
[23:02] So meron kayong ground commander na nandoon
[23:05] habang ginagawa nila yung mga bombero yung karang trabaho
[23:08] habang napulay yung sunog.
[23:10] And then after that, minomonitor nyo kung saan yung mga
[23:13] itong bombero and then ini-inspect nyo yung mga sasaka nila.
[23:17] Bago umuwi ng first station,
[23:18] doon pa lang sa ground,
[23:19] ipapacheck namin yung mga sasakyan,
[23:22] yung mga suot na banker codes nila.
[23:23] Yung fire trucks, Mr. Chair,
[23:25] at saka yung mga suot nila.
[23:26] Sorry, so you were born yesterday.
[23:29] Hindi, hindi nila nilalagay sa fire trucks.
[23:30] Of course, nilalagay nila.
[23:31] May kasabot sila na may kotse, private vehicle.
[23:35] At doon nila sa trunk, nilalagay yung mga nanakaw nila.
[23:38] It's not sa fire truck.
[23:39] Kasi pag fire truck, of course, very obvious.
[23:41] Maraming tao nakatingin.
[23:42] Usually, pasimple, pinapasa sa mga sasakyan.
[23:46] Ah, hindi nyo pala alam yun, sir?
[23:48] Mr. Chair, may mga nababilitano kami,
[23:50] and that is why we intensify this
[23:52] fire ground management functions of our ground commander.
[23:56] That will maybe extend to, even in the fire scene,
[23:59] that these officers will be looking into
[24:02] how the firefighters inside the boarding building doing.
[24:06] Kasi, Mr. Chair,
[24:07] nung pa naman pa ito,
[24:08] hindi pa, hindi itong present administration.
[24:11] Yung kahadiyero, yung maliit,
[24:14] dalawa na, ano,
[24:16] na bumbero, buhat-buhat,
[24:17] at nilagay sa kotse.
[24:19] Tapos, once na nilagay sa kotse,
[24:20] iskered na na,
[24:22] at pinapalabas na yung kahadiyero,
[24:26] ang may-ari ng kahadiyero,
[24:28] ay yung nasusunugan.
[24:29] Pero wag ka,
[24:31] yung pala,
[24:31] e, bumbero,
[24:34] na inalis lang muna ang damit
[24:36] para maikarga yung mga nanakaw
[24:38] sa loob ng kotse,
[24:39] sa loob ng trunk.
[24:40] And then,
[24:41] once nakatakas na yung sasakyan,
[24:43] babalik ulit doon,
[24:44] susuot na ng uniforme.
[24:46] So, that is something that you have to monitor.
[24:48] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[24:49] We recognize that, Mr. Chair.
[24:50] And I would like also to share, Mr. Chair,
[24:52] that there are also firefighters
[24:54] who nagsauli din po ng mga
[24:56] na-save nilang mga precious
[24:58] or cash doon sa mga nasunugan.
[25:01] But, as I said,
[25:02] we recognize this.
[25:03] This is happening
[25:03] and we have to look into this one closely
[25:07] so we can avoid the same incidents
[25:09] to happen in the future.
[25:09] Thank you.
[25:10] Okay, Mr. Chair.
[25:11] Salamat yung admission
[25:13] is very important
[25:14] para ma-adress mo yung problema
[25:16] kasi pag nag-deny ka,
[25:17] para ma-adress yung problema
[25:18] if you keep on denying.
[25:20] In this case,
[25:21] I really commend you
[25:23] and I salute you, sir,
[25:24] for admitting to those
[25:26] sa lahat ng mga nabanggit ko
[25:28] na mga nangyaring katiwalian
[25:30] at ginagawa niyo
[25:31] para magawa niyo ng paraan.
[25:32] Salamat po.
[25:34] Thank you, Senator Tulfo.
[25:35] Likewise, siguro,
[25:36] if I may add,
[25:37] we are doing everything
[25:39] to give the men and women
[25:41] in uniform
[25:43] the benefits that they deserve.
[25:46] So, inaasahan din namin
[25:47] na magiging maayos
[25:49] sa kanilang tungkulin
[25:53] na sana po,
[25:54] mawala niyong maganto.
[25:57] We don't hear of these things.
[25:58] We hear about these things.
[25:59] Naririnig din mo na natin
[26:00] yun talaga.
[26:02] Legit yung mga
[26:03] binanggitin,
[26:04] Senator Tulfo.
[26:05] So, sana po.
[26:06] Kami, the part of the Senate,
[26:08] siguro,
[26:09] tulad na lang nung halbawa,
[26:11] subsistence allowance
[26:12] ng uniformed personnel,
[26:14] ng PNP,
[26:15] BFP and BJMP
[26:18] and Coast Guard,
[26:20] lahat po yan
[26:21] in increase ng Senado.
[26:23] Alam po niya yan.
[26:24] From 150 pesos a day
[26:25] to 350 pesos a day,
[26:28] lahat na pwede natin ibigay.
[26:29] Now, we are talking about
[26:30] the upgrading
[26:30] of the ranks,
[26:33] improving of
[26:33] itong classification
[26:35] of the ranks
[26:36] for the improvement
[26:38] of the agencies.
[26:39] Kaya,
[26:40] we also expect
[26:41] the same amount,
[26:43] the honest
[26:44] service.
[26:45] So, yun naman nanginan natin.
[26:47] We
[26:48] proposed those things,
[26:50] lalo na itong
[26:50] increase in subsistence allowance
[26:52] during the budget hearings.
[26:54] It was an
[26:56] intervention by the Senate
[26:57] and
[26:57] approved and supported
[26:59] by Senator Tulfo
[27:00] and the rest of our colleagues.
[27:02] Inaprobaan mo namin yan.
[27:03] So, we expect
[27:03] the
[27:04] same amount of service.
[27:06] Simple, yun tapat.
[27:07] So, yun po.
[27:08] So, now we can
[27:09] go on.
[27:12] Tanong ko lang
[27:12] tungkol po dito
[27:13] sa proposed measures
[27:14] regarding
[27:15] Republic
[27:19] at 9263
[27:20] amending
[27:21] amendment.
[27:21] Yung pong
[27:22] upgrading
[27:23] of the rank
[27:24] structure
[27:25] and organizational
[27:26] hierarchy
[27:26] of both the
[27:27] BFP
[27:28] and the
[27:28] BJMP.
[27:30] The intention
[27:30] appears to align
[27:31] the leadership
[27:32] structure with
[27:33] operational demands
[27:34] and evolving
[27:35] public safety
[27:35] responsibilities.
[27:37] The chair is
[27:37] very supportive
[27:38] of the men and
[27:39] women of the
[27:39] BFP and the
[27:40] BJMP.
[27:41] As you know,
[27:42] we have found
[27:42] this proposed
[27:43] measures because
[27:43] we believe that
[27:44] we will not only
[27:45] improve the
[27:45] economic situation
[27:46] of our
[27:48] BFP and
[27:48] BJMP personnel.
[27:50] Kaya nga,
[27:50] inaasaan natin,
[27:51] mas magiging
[27:52] tapat po sila.
[27:53] Dahil inaimprove,
[27:54] sinusubukan natin,
[27:55] mapaganda yung
[27:56] kanila pong
[27:57] compensation.
[28:00] So,
[28:01] for the record,
[28:04] para sa alam
[28:05] na kang bayo,
[28:05] how will this
[28:07] restructuring
[28:07] completely improve
[28:08] command efficiency
[28:09] and service
[28:10] delivery on the
[28:11] ground?
[28:13] Siguro,
[28:13] pwede nang magsimula
[28:14] ang ating
[28:15] BFP
[28:15] and then
[28:16] BJMP.
[28:16] As earlier
[28:22] stated on my
[28:23] opening statement,
[28:24] Mr. Chair,
[28:26] that providing
[28:27] an additional
[28:29] rank to
[28:30] BFP
[28:30] somehow
[28:31] motivate
[28:32] and uplift
[28:33] the entire
[28:34] moral of
[28:35] the organizations
[28:36] at par with
[28:37] our counterpart.
[28:38] But this is not
[28:39] about,
[28:40] you know,
[28:41] yun bang tinitingnan
[28:42] lang ho namin,
[28:42] nakapantay namin yung
[28:43] police.
[28:44] I have classmates
[28:44] in the PNP
[28:45] who are soon to
[28:47] become three-star
[28:48] generals and me
[28:49] myself is only
[28:50] two-star.
[28:50] It's not about
[28:51] that.
[28:51] It's really about
[28:52] the evolution
[28:53] of the fire
[28:53] service,
[28:54] Mr. Chair,
[28:54] that the
[28:55] functions of
[28:56] the BFP
[28:56] under the
[28:57] Republic Act
[28:58] 11589
[28:59] and the
[28:59] modernization
[29:00] expand too
[29:01] much.
[29:02] Hindi na ho
[29:02] yung makalumang
[29:03] bumbero,
[29:04] Mr. Chair,
[29:04] na pumapatay
[29:05] lang ng apoy,
[29:05] ang laki na
[29:06] naging
[29:06] responsibility.
[29:07] And how
[29:07] to increase
[29:08] expert people
[29:09] joining the
[29:10] BFP
[29:10] is for
[29:11] looking that
[29:12] there is a
[29:12] future in
[29:13] the BFP
[29:13] because they
[29:13] will be soon
[29:14] getting a
[29:15] four-star
[29:15] rank,
[29:15] Mr. Chair.
[29:16] That's all,
[29:16] Mr. Chair.
[29:18] Thank you.
[29:18] Sa BJMP,
[29:21] Chief Superintendent
[29:22] Dennis Okamura.
[29:25] Thank you,
[29:25] Mr. Chair.
[29:26] Sir,
[29:26] as far as
[29:27] the BGMP
[29:27] is concerned,
[29:28] the BGMP
[29:29] is almost
[29:30] similar to
[29:31] the organization
[29:31] structure of
[29:32] BGMP,
[29:33] is almost
[29:33] similar to
[29:34] the BNP.
[29:35] Sir,
[29:35] we have
[29:36] the chief,
[29:36] the command
[29:37] group,
[29:37] then the
[29:38] director of
[29:38] directorates,
[29:39] and the
[29:39] regional
[29:39] directors.
[29:41] So,
[29:41] under the
[29:41] current setup,
[29:42] sir,
[29:43] two-star lang
[29:44] yung chief
[29:45] department.
[29:45] So,
[29:45] wala na,
[29:46] sir,
[29:46] napupuntahan
[29:46] yung iba
[29:47] pang nasa
[29:48] kasunod niya.
[29:50] Whereas,
[29:52] the BGMP
[29:52] organization is
[29:53] lumalaki
[29:54] ng lumalaki
[29:55] habang tumatagal
[29:56] because we were
[29:56] given additional
[29:58] of 2,000
[29:59] yearly.
[30:00] So,
[30:00] yung pyramidal
[30:01] structure,
[30:02] sir,
[30:02] ng manpower
[30:03] requirement,
[30:04] eh,
[30:04] hindi na,
[30:05] sir,
[30:05] nasusunod.
[30:06] Nagiging masyadong
[30:07] marami na
[30:08] na sa ibaba,
[30:08] then sa taas
[30:09] na masyadong
[30:09] mataas.
[30:11] Kaya,
[30:11] sir,
[30:11] parang
[30:12] nalilimit
[30:13] na lang yung
[30:14] mga positions
[30:16] or ranks
[30:16] na pwedeng puntahan
[30:17] ng iba namin
[30:17] mga senior
[30:18] officers.
[30:19] So,
[30:20] the same
[30:20] with the
[30:20] PNP
[30:21] and AAP
[30:21] saan,
[30:22] sir,
[30:22] magka,
[30:23] pareho lang
[30:24] rin,
[30:24] kaya binang
[30:24] structure.
[30:26] So,
[30:26] dapat,
[30:26] ganun na rin,
[30:27] sir,
[30:27] yung magiging
[30:27] structure
[30:28] ng BGMP.
[30:30] Okay,
[30:30] thank you.
[30:31] So,
[30:31] how will the
[30:31] proposed hierarchy
[30:32] improve crisis
[30:33] response,
[30:34] mag-improve naman,
[30:35] no,
[30:35] jail management
[30:36] and fire
[30:37] operations
[30:37] nationwide?
[30:39] Mr.
[30:43] Chair,
[30:44] mayroon na
[30:45] questions
[30:45] at BGMP
[30:46] so that
[30:47] I can go
[30:47] and
[30:47] then we
[30:49] will go
[30:49] to,
[30:50] after
[30:50] Senator
[30:51] Tulfo's
[30:51] questioning,
[30:52] we'll go
[30:52] back to
[30:52] DBM
[30:53] quickly
[30:54] for their
[30:54] position,
[30:55] naka-zoom
[30:56] representative
[31:00] sa DBM.
[31:01] Yes,
[31:01] Tulfo.
[31:02] A couple months
[31:04] ago,
[31:04] may pumunta
[31:05] sa aking
[31:05] PDL
[31:06] na-release na.
[31:09] After
[31:10] he was
[31:10] released,
[31:11] galing siya
[31:11] sa Suong
[31:11] City Jail
[31:12] sa Lapu-Lapo,
[31:14] Cebu.
[31:15] Tama?
[31:15] That's under
[31:16] BGMP?
[31:17] Yes,
[31:17] sir,
[31:17] correct, sir.
[31:19] Alam ko
[31:19] kapag
[31:20] ikaw
[31:20] ay
[31:20] convicted
[31:22] siya,
[31:24] alam ko
[31:25] pag sa mga
[31:26] city jail
[31:26] ninyo,
[31:27] one to
[31:28] ilan years
[31:29] lang dapat?
[31:31] One to
[31:31] three years,
[31:33] up to
[31:33] three years,
[31:34] but he
[31:36] was
[31:36] detained
[31:37] for 14
[31:38] years.
[31:39] Ano
[31:39] nangyari
[31:40] doon?
[31:40] Sir,
[31:41] there were
[31:41] instances
[31:41] wherein the
[31:42] PDL
[31:43] has multiple
[31:43] cases.
[31:45] Say,
[31:45] for example,
[31:45] in this
[31:46] one particular
[31:46] case,
[31:47] he is already
[31:48] convicted
[31:48] and sentenced
[31:49] to suffer
[31:50] three years,
[31:50] but he
[31:51] has other
[31:51] pending
[31:52] cases
[31:52] that is
[31:53] still
[31:53] undergoing
[31:54] litigation
[31:54] in the
[31:55] local
[31:55] court.
[31:56] That's
[31:56] why he's
[31:56] not
[31:57] transferred
[31:57] to
[31:57] BGMP.
[31:58] Now,
[31:58] nung pumasok
[31:59] siya,
[32:00] he was
[32:01] just an
[32:01] ordinary
[32:01] guy.
[32:02] When he
[32:03] came out,
[32:04] he became
[32:04] a millionaire.
[32:06] So,
[32:07] ang question
[32:07] ko,
[32:08] pinapayagan
[32:08] nyo na
[32:09] magnegosyo
[32:10] ang isang
[32:11] PDL,
[32:12] one to
[32:12] sawa,
[32:13] wala kayong
[32:14] ginagawang
[32:14] regulation,
[32:17] wala kayong
[32:17] ginagawang
[32:18] monitoring,
[32:18] otherwise,
[32:19] hindi
[32:19] naging
[32:19] milyonaryo
[32:20] ito.
[32:20] Of course,
[32:20] siyempre,
[32:21] kaya naging
[32:21] milyonaryo
[32:21] ito,
[32:22] meron ding
[32:22] naging
[32:22] milyonaryong
[32:23] taga-BGMP.
[32:25] Kung may
[32:25] biyaya
[32:25] sa labas,
[32:26] may biyaya
[32:26] din sa loo.
[32:27] Kaya lang,
[32:28] BGMP
[32:29] personnel.
[32:30] So,
[32:31] how did that
[32:31] happen?
[32:32] At isa pa,
[32:32] Mr. Chair,
[32:35] alam ko sa
[32:35] policy ninyo,
[32:38] sa telephone
[32:38] calls,
[32:40] binibet nyo
[32:41] muna
[32:41] limang
[32:42] relatives
[32:43] ng isang
[32:45] PDL,
[32:47] ililista,
[32:48] ibibet,
[32:48] ilibigay sa
[32:49] inyo
[32:49] ng PDL,
[32:51] tapos
[32:52] ibibet nyo
[32:52] ko talagang
[32:53] relative
[32:53] shot,
[32:53] and then
[32:54] lima na
[32:54] professional,
[32:55] pare,
[32:56] abogado,
[32:57] lawyer,
[32:59] etc.
[33:01] Hindi yata
[33:02] kayo gumagawa
[33:03] ng ganong
[33:03] klase
[33:04] monitoring.
[33:04] How?
[33:05] Because
[33:05] yung pumunta
[33:06] sa akin,
[33:08] nagbibenta
[33:08] siya
[33:09] ng
[33:09] telephone
[33:10] card,
[33:13] electronic
[33:14] telephone
[33:14] card,
[33:15] at
[33:15] want to
[33:15] sawa,
[33:16] pwede
[33:16] magtawag
[33:17] kahit
[33:17] sino.
[33:17] Kaya
[33:19] yung mga
[33:20] PDL
[33:21] sa loob,
[33:22] kunyari
[33:22] drug lord
[33:23] ka,
[33:24] pwede
[33:24] tuloy-tuloy
[33:25] para negosyo
[33:26] mo sa
[33:26] labas
[33:26] kasi
[33:27] want to
[33:28] sawa
[33:28] ang
[33:28] pagtawag
[33:29] mo
[33:30] ng
[33:30] paggamit
[33:31] ng
[33:31] telephone
[33:31] at
[33:31] tawagan
[33:32] mo
[33:32] kung
[33:32] sino
[33:32] gusto
[33:32] mo
[33:33] sa
[33:33] labas.
[33:34] Yes,
[33:34] Mr.
[33:35] Chair,
[33:35] your honor,
[33:36] nangyayari
[33:36] po talaga
[33:36] yan.
[33:37] But in
[33:38] that
[33:38] particular
[33:38] case,
[33:38] your honor,
[33:39] it appears
[33:40] that the
[33:41] jail
[33:41] warden
[33:42] is remiss
[33:42] in his
[33:43] duties
[33:43] because he
[33:43] is not
[33:44] implementing
[33:44] the
[33:49] appording
[33:51] telephone
[33:52] calls
[33:52] to the
[33:52] PDL
[33:53] and those
[33:53] who
[33:54] transact
[33:54] sa
[33:56] jail
[33:57] commissary.
[33:59] Hindi talaga
[33:59] dapat nakakapag
[34:00] negosyo
[34:01] yung
[34:01] PDL
[34:02] namin
[34:02] sa loob
[34:03] ng
[34:03] jail.
[34:03] But in
[34:04] that
[34:04] particular
[34:04] case,
[34:05] it appears
[34:06] na nakapag
[34:06] negosyo.
[34:07] So,
[34:08] liable
[34:09] po yung
[34:09] warden
[34:09] doon.
[34:10] So,
[34:11] ano yung
[34:11] current
[34:12] policy
[34:12] ninyo
[34:13] about
[34:13] commissary?
[34:14] Kasi
[34:15] kung
[34:16] nangyayari
[34:16] sa
[34:16] Cebu,
[34:17] nangyay
[34:17] yung
[34:17] sa
[34:17] Manila.
[34:18] So,
[34:18] ibig
[34:18] sabihin,
[34:19] anybody
[34:20] pwede
[34:22] negosyo
[34:22] ng
[34:22] canteen
[34:23] o kung
[34:23] anong
[34:23] gusto
[34:24] niya
[34:24] i-benta
[34:24] electronics,
[34:27] I mean,
[34:27] cell phone
[34:28] cards,
[34:29] is that
[34:30] being
[34:30] allowed?
[34:31] No,
[34:31] sir.
[34:32] Sir,
[34:32] first,
[34:32] yung
[34:33] commissary,
[34:33] itinatag yan
[34:34] para
[34:34] ma-limit
[34:35] yung
[34:36] mga
[34:36] dinadala
[34:37] ng
[34:37] mga
[34:38] dalaw
[34:38] kapag
[34:38] pumunta
[34:39] sila
[34:39] sa
[34:39] jail.
[34:40] Kasi
[34:40] nga,
[34:41] karamihan
[34:41] na rin
[34:41] doon
[34:42] sa
[34:42] mga
[34:42] dinadala
[34:42] ng
[34:43] dalaw.
[34:45] So,
[34:45] who
[34:46] owns
[34:46] the
[34:46] commissary?
[34:47] Sir,
[34:47] it's
[34:47] under the
[34:48] management
[34:48] of
[34:48] the
[34:49] jail
[34:49] warden.
[34:49] But,
[34:50] sino
[34:51] nagkakapital?
[34:53] Yung
[34:53] mga
[34:53] jail
[34:54] personnel
[34:54] din,
[34:54] sir.
[34:55] Jail
[34:56] personnel
[34:56] or
[34:56] the
[34:57] PDLs?
[34:58] Kasi
[34:58] yung
[34:59] sa
[34:59] Cebu,
[35:00] yung
[35:00] PDLs,
[35:01] nagkakaroon
[35:02] silang
[35:02] kanya-kanyang
[35:02] negosyo
[35:03] doon.
[35:03] Ang
[35:03] nangyayari
[35:04] po
[35:04] kasi
[35:04] doon,
[35:04] sir,
[35:05] yung
[35:05] proceeds
[35:06] or
[35:07] reprofits
[35:07] na
[35:07] ma-digenerate
[35:08] sa
[35:08] jail
[35:09] commissary,
[35:09] dapat
[35:10] din
[35:10] mapupunta
[35:10] rin
[35:11] siya
[35:11] sa
[35:11] livelihood
[35:12] programs
[35:13] ng
[35:20] pero
[35:21] yung
[35:22] pera,
[35:23] pagdating
[35:24] sa atian,
[35:26] kasi
[35:26] sir,
[35:26] nalilito
[35:27] kay.
[35:28] What I
[35:28] said
[35:29] earlier,
[35:30] itong
[35:30] PDL
[35:31] lumapit
[35:31] sa akin,
[35:32] dumating
[35:32] siya
[35:32] sa
[35:33] kulungan,
[35:34] ordinary
[35:34] tao.
[35:35] Paglabas
[35:35] niya,
[35:36] milyonaryo
[35:36] na siya.
[35:37] Kasi
[35:37] pinayagan
[35:38] siya
[35:38] na magkaroon
[35:39] ng negosyo
[35:39] sa loob
[35:41] ng
[35:41] kulungan.
[35:42] Yun,
[35:42] sir,
[35:43] ang
[35:43] violation
[35:44] doon.
[35:44] Hindi po
[35:44] talaga
[35:44] dapat
[35:45] nangyayari.
[35:45] And I
[35:45] was
[35:46] informed
[35:46] na hindi
[35:47] lamang
[35:47] sa Cebu
[35:47] nangyayari
[35:48] ito
[35:48] kung
[35:48] hindi
[35:48] sa
[35:48] iba-ibang
[35:49] facility
[35:49] na
[35:51] under
[35:51] sa
[35:52] BGMP.
[35:53] It is
[35:53] being
[35:53] allowed
[35:54] na
[35:54] yung
[35:54] mga
[35:55] PDLs
[35:57] they're
[35:58] being
[35:58] allowed
[35:59] na
[35:59] magnegosyo
[36:00] sa
[36:00] loob
[36:00] maging
[36:01] sa
[36:01] telepono.
[36:02] I'm
[36:02] very
[36:02] particular
[36:03] doon
[36:03] sa
[36:03] paggamit
[36:04] ng
[36:04] telepono.
[36:05] Sa
[36:06] pagkain
[36:06] okay
[36:07] lang.
[36:08] Kasi
[36:08] there
[36:08] are
[36:09] times
[36:09] na
[36:09] kailangan
[36:10] nila
[36:10] kumain
[36:11] ng
[36:11] merienda
[36:11] o
[36:12] hindi
[36:12] na
[36:12] mag-
[36:12] BGMP
[36:13] pero
[36:14] dapat
[36:14] monitored
[36:15] yung
[36:15] pera
[36:15] na
[36:16] pupasok
[36:18] sa
[36:18] kanila
[36:18] to
[36:19] their
[36:19] relatives.
[36:20] How do you
[36:21] monitor that?
[36:22] Now,
[36:23] pangalawa,
[36:24] ang gusto
[36:25] ko
[36:25] talagang
[36:26] tutukan
[36:26] ninyo
[36:27] yung
[36:27] paggamit
[36:28] ng
[36:28] telepono.
[36:29] Kasi
[36:29] like I
[36:31] said
[36:31] earlier,
[36:31] pag
[36:32] mga
[36:32] drug
[36:32] lord
[36:32] nakulong
[36:33] dyan
[36:33] tuloy-tuloy
[36:34] pa
[36:34] negosyo
[36:35] kasi
[36:35] pinapabayaan
[36:36] sila
[36:36] maggamit
[36:36] ng
[36:36] telepono
[36:37] one
[36:37] to
[36:37] sawa.
[36:39] So
[36:39] how
[36:39] do you
[36:39] deal
[36:39] with
[36:39] that
[36:40] now
[36:40] sir?
[36:40] Sir,
[36:41] yung
[36:41] sigurong
[36:42] paggamit
[36:42] ng
[36:42] telepono
[36:43] ng
[36:43] mga
[36:43] drug
[36:44] lords,
[36:44] yun yung
[36:44] mga
[36:44] post-lit
[36:45] na
[36:45] telepono
[36:46] na
[36:46] naggamit
[36:47] nila
[36:47] sa loob
[36:47] ng jail
[36:48] na hindi
[36:48] alam
[36:48] ng
[36:48] jail
[36:49] guards.
[36:50] Pero
[36:50] yung
[36:51] meron
[36:51] po
[36:51] talaga
[36:51] kami
[36:51] ginagamit
[36:52] na
[36:52] telepono
[36:53] para
[36:53] sa
[36:54] legal
[36:54] na
[36:54] pagtawag
[36:55] na
[36:55] sa
[36:55] telepono
[36:56] na
[36:56] gumagamit
[36:57] ng
[36:57] telephone
[36:58] cards.
[36:59] Tama?
[37:00] May
[37:00] binibenta
[37:00] telephone
[37:01] card
[37:01] sa loob
[37:01] eh.
[37:03] Meron sir,
[37:05] meron
[37:05] telephone
[37:06] card
[37:07] na
[37:07] ginagamit
[37:08] meron
[37:09] public
[37:09] phone
[37:10] sa loob
[37:11] ng
[37:11] mga
[37:11] BGMT
[37:12] cells.
[37:13] Facilities.
[37:15] Why is it
[37:15] being allowed?
[37:16] If it's
[37:16] being allowed,
[37:17] okay lang sa akin.
[37:17] As long as
[37:18] it's being
[37:18] monitored,
[37:19] dapat.
[37:19] Yes,
[37:20] sir,
[37:20] ina-allow
[37:20] namin,
[37:21] sir,
[37:21] yung
[37:22] pwedeng
[37:22] i-monitor
[37:23] ng
[37:23] jail
[37:24] personnel.
[37:24] Ang
[37:24] nangyayari
[37:24] yan,
[37:25] sir,
[37:25] yung
[37:25] jail
[37:26] personnel
[37:26] ang
[37:27] magkocontact
[37:28] doon
[37:28] sa
[37:28] kakausapin
[37:30] ng aming
[37:30] PDL.
[37:31] And then
[37:31] kapag
[37:32] nakontact
[37:32] na,
[37:32] i-bibigay
[37:33] na sa
[37:33] kanya
[37:34] yung
[37:34] handgun.
[37:36] May
[37:37] nag-monitor
[37:38] lang,
[37:38] sir,
[37:38] hindi
[37:39] naman,
[37:39] sir,
[37:39] talagang
[37:40] pinapakinggan,
[37:41] pero
[37:42] inobserbahan
[37:43] lang,
[37:43] sir.
[37:44] I don't
[37:44] get it.
[37:46] Inobserbahan
[37:46] pero
[37:46] hindi
[37:46] pinapakinggan.
[37:48] Yes,
[37:48] sir,
[37:49] yung
[37:49] right to
[37:49] privacy
[37:50] and
[37:51] communication
[37:51] ng aming
[37:52] PDL
[37:52] ay ina-observe
[37:53] din,
[37:53] sir,
[37:53] namin.
[37:54] So,
[37:54] what do
[37:55] you have
[37:56] to observe
[37:56] if you
[37:56] cannot
[37:56] listen,
[37:57] if you
[37:57] don't
[37:57] know
[37:57] what is
[37:58] being
[37:58] talked
[37:58] about
[38:04] sa labas?
[38:08] So,
[38:08] you don't
[38:08] need to
[38:09] monitor it.
[38:09] Yung mga
[38:09] value
[38:09] language
[38:10] kapag
[38:11] palihim
[38:12] na yung
[38:12] punto
[38:13] ng
[38:13] usapan
[38:14] saka
[38:14] na
[38:14] nag-interview
[38:16] yung
[38:16] aming
[38:16] jail
[38:16] personal.
[38:17] No,
[38:17] kasi
[38:17] sa ibang
[38:18] bansa
[38:18] tulad
[38:19] sa
[38:19] Amerika,
[38:20] minomonitor
[38:21] eh,
[38:22] yung
[38:22] mga
[38:23] tawag
[38:23] eh.
[38:24] Yes,
[38:24] sir,
[38:24] ang...
[38:25] Kasi,
[38:25] okay,
[38:26] tulad yan,
[38:26] kunyasa sabihin
[38:27] five
[38:27] relatives,
[38:28] tama ba
[38:28] ako?
[38:29] Mali,
[38:29] sa
[38:29] privacy
[38:30] ninyo.
[38:31] So,
[38:31] magbibigay
[38:31] yung isang
[38:32] PDL
[38:32] ng five
[38:33] relatives
[38:33] na pwede
[38:34] niyang
[38:34] tawagan
[38:35] at yan
[38:36] ay
[38:36] iniimbestigahan
[38:36] ninyo.
[38:38] Ginagawa
[38:38] nyo ba
[38:39] talaga
[38:39] yun?
[38:39] Eh,
[38:40] hundreds
[38:40] and
[38:40] hundreds
[38:40] and
[38:41] thousands
[38:41] pa nga
[38:41] na
[38:42] PDL.
[38:42] So,
[38:43] kung
[38:43] thousands
[38:43] sila,
[38:44] ito times
[38:44] five
[38:45] mo,
[38:45] nagagawa
[38:46] nyo
[38:46] pa rin
[38:46] yun?
[38:47] I don't
[38:48] think so.
[38:49] Upon
[38:50] commitment
[38:50] kasi,
[38:51] sir,
[38:51] tiyatanong
[38:51] namin
[38:52] yung
[38:52] PDL.
[38:53] Kung
[38:53] sino yung
[38:53] kanyang
[38:54] immediate
[38:54] family member
[38:56] na pwedeng
[38:57] dumalaw
[38:57] at pwedeng
[38:59] tawagan
[38:59] lima,
[39:00] tama?
[39:02] Lima.
[39:02] So,
[39:04] dapat yan,
[39:04] iniimbestigan nyo
[39:05] yung limang yun.
[39:07] Yes, sir.
[39:07] Kaya nyo?
[39:09] Ginagawa
[39:10] sir namin
[39:10] na talaga
[39:11] namin.
[39:11] You're doing
[39:12] your best.
[39:12] Pero I don't
[39:13] think so,
[39:13] Mr. Chair.
[39:15] And then,
[39:15] lima na
[39:16] professional.
[39:18] Payag ako,
[39:19] I don't have
[39:19] any problem
[39:20] that the PDLs
[39:21] are allowed
[39:21] to call
[39:22] their relatives,
[39:23] to call
[39:24] their lawyers,
[39:24] the doctors,
[39:25] the priests,
[39:26] or their pastors.
[39:27] I don't have
[39:28] any problem
[39:28] with that.
[39:28] The problem
[39:29] is,
[39:30] nagkikita ako,
[39:31] kung pinapabayanan
[39:32] sila,
[39:33] tumawag
[39:33] one to sawa
[39:34] doon sa mga
[39:34] transaction nila
[39:35] na mga tao
[39:37] and the reason
[39:37] why sila
[39:38] pinapunta sa jail.
[39:39] Kumbaga,
[39:39] tuloy-tuloy
[39:39] pala yung negosyo
[39:40] nila.
[39:40] If they're a
[39:41] drug lord
[39:41] or they're a
[39:42] pusher,
[39:43] they can still
[39:43] call people
[39:44] outside
[39:45] to work
[39:46] with them
[39:46] para ituloy
[39:47] negosyo nila.
[39:49] That is something
[39:49] very important
[39:50] that should be
[39:50] monitored, sir.
[39:51] I don't think
[39:52] that's being done.
[39:53] We will look into that, sir.
[39:55] So,
[39:56] itigil nyo na siguro
[39:57] yung mga card card
[39:58] na yan.
[40:01] Dapat siguro
[40:01] kung akong
[40:02] tatanungin,
[40:03] meron kayong
[40:04] telephone
[40:05] na pwedeng
[40:06] gamitin
[40:07] ng mga PDL
[40:08] na libre.
[40:11] Huwag na kailan
[40:11] magbayad.
[40:13] It's either
[40:14] landline
[40:14] or cell phone.
[40:16] Yes, sir.
[40:17] Diba?
[40:18] Sir,
[40:19] libre po talaga
[40:19] yung pagtatawag
[40:20] natin mga PDL.
[40:21] So, yung
[40:22] libre.
[40:22] E, bakit may mga
[40:23] ano?
[40:24] Ayan po, sir.
[40:25] Cell phone.
[40:26] We will look into that
[40:27] violation
[40:28] as anong policy namin.
[40:30] So,
[40:31] i-stop nyo na yun?
[40:32] Yes, sir.
[40:33] Okay.
[40:34] How much money
[40:35] is being allowed
[40:37] for a certain
[40:39] PDL
[40:40] for him
[40:41] to accept
[40:42] from his relatives
[40:44] or friends
[40:44] going inside
[40:46] the BGM facility?
[40:47] Sir, ang allowed lang
[40:48] sa aming mga PDL
[40:49] is 1,000 per week.
[40:51] 1,000 per week.
[40:52] So, that is like
[40:53] 4,000 a month.
[40:54] Yes, sir.
[40:55] So, kailan
[40:55] ubusin nyo yung 1,000
[40:57] a week bago siya
[40:57] out another 1,000?
[40:59] Yes, sir.
[40:59] Correct, sir.
[41:00] And how is it
[41:00] to be monitored?
[41:03] May mga jails kami, sir,
[41:04] na gumagamit na
[41:05] ng legal tender
[41:07] para
[41:07] legal tender, sir,
[41:09] yung
[41:10] legal tender?
[41:11] What is legal tender?
[41:12] Is it the money?
[41:13] Yung parang
[41:13] card?
[41:14] Card, sir.
[41:15] Yes.
[41:15] In exchange of money.
[41:17] Okay.
[41:18] Yes, sir.
[41:19] So, pwede niyang
[41:20] ipalit you, sir,
[41:20] yung kanyang 1,000.
[41:21] Correct.
[41:22] Pero, paano yung monitor?
[41:23] Sir, kung naumus niya ba yun
[41:24] o pwede niya itago sa kama,
[41:26] pwede niya ibaon sa lupa
[41:27] hanggang sa dumami
[41:28] yung pera niya
[41:29] at may later on,
[41:29] gamitin niya sa kung anong
[41:30] kalokuan.
[41:32] Dapat digitalize.
[41:33] Yes, sir.
[41:34] Para lahat ng lalabas
[41:36] na legal tender
[41:37] na sinasabi niyo,
[41:38] digitalize yun,
[41:39] nakapasok sa computer yun,
[41:41] pamamonitor niyong galaw
[41:42] sa loob ng facility
[41:43] na sabihin,
[41:44] o alam mo ba,
[41:45] itong si Juan
[41:45] o mukhang dumadami
[41:48] ng pera niya,
[41:49] lalapitan niyo,
[41:50] Juan,
[41:50] ayon sa monitoring namin,
[41:52] lampas ka na sa
[41:52] allowed na 1,000 per week,
[41:54] nakaka-2,000 ka na
[41:55] and this week lang.
[41:57] Yes, sir.
[41:58] Do you follow me, sir?
[41:59] Yes, sir.
[41:59] Sir, kung in-implement lang
[42:00] talaga ng warden
[42:01] yung policy,
[42:02] hindi po talaga
[42:03] dapat na lumampas
[42:04] ng 2,000 or 1,000.
[42:06] Hindi, talking that policy
[42:07] sa Cebu,
[42:08] what I'm saying is,
[42:09] dapat sa lahat ng facility,
[42:12] hindi lang sa Cebu facility,
[42:13] sa lahat ng facility ninyo,
[42:15] is it being done?
[42:16] Hindi pa, sir,
[42:17] dahil ilang jails pa lang, sir,
[42:18] yung nag-implement
[42:19] ng legal tender.
[42:23] So, yung iba,
[42:23] cash basis pa rin po, sir,
[42:24] yung pinapadala
[42:25] ng ating mga visitors
[42:27] ng ating PDL.
[42:28] Ayan naman, sir,
[42:28] kapag dumaan yan doon, sir,
[42:30] mayroon po kaming
[42:31] property custodian,
[42:33] siya po yung
[42:33] hahawak sa cash ng PDL.
[42:35] Okay,
[42:35] yung kaso sa Cebu,
[42:37] naparusaan po ba yun?
[42:40] The last thing I know, sir,
[42:41] yung official doon,
[42:42] yung jail warden doon
[42:43] sa Suong City Jail?
[42:45] Yes, sir.
[42:45] Nag-settle na sir sila,
[42:46] naibalik na yung pera
[42:47] ng PDL
[42:48] and under investigation pa, sir,
[42:50] yung former warden
[42:51] kasi nga hindi na sir sila
[42:52] yung nakapodo na warden.
[42:55] Kaya nga,
[42:55] so yung former warden,
[42:56] gusto ko makasuhan po yun.
[42:58] Yes, sir,
[42:58] iniimbestigahan, sir.
[42:59] Hindi ko pa lang, sir,
[43:00] alam mo ang status
[43:00] ng takbo ng investigation.
[43:01] Well, then,
[43:02] give me a,
[43:04] give this committee, sir,
[43:06] a report kung
[43:07] ano na po nangyari
[43:08] doon sa investigation nyo.
[43:09] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[43:10] Ayaw ko magkakaroon po
[43:11] ng takipan, you know,
[43:12] and then pag pinasin sa committee
[43:13] and then the committee
[43:14] will give me a copy
[43:16] of that report
[43:16] para mahalaman ko
[43:18] kung talagang gumagawa kayo
[43:19] ng tunay na investigation.
[43:21] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[43:22] And then lastly,
[43:23] Mr. Chair,
[43:24] congestion.
[43:27] Namumuniton niyo ba
[43:27] yung sobrang congestion
[43:29] sa mga facilities ninyo?
[43:30] Yes, sir.
[43:31] In fact,
[43:31] meron pa ata na-plug yung COA
[43:32] na sobra-sobra
[43:33] by the thousands
[43:34] and sobra
[43:35] Yes, sir.
[43:36] ng mga inmates
[43:37] or PDLs.
[43:38] The good news, sir,
[43:39] is that our average
[43:40] congestion rate
[43:41] is decreasing
[43:42] nasa 273
[43:45] 273% na lang, sir,
[43:48] ngayon.
[43:48] But that is an average, sir.
[43:50] Pero mayroon talaga
[43:51] mga jail facilities
[43:51] na over 1,000 plus
[43:53] at parin ang congestion rate
[43:55] katulad nung sa
[43:56] Consolacion Cebu
[43:57] sa Montinlupa
[43:58] because
[43:59] wala pa pa siya
[44:00] talagang malipatan
[44:01] na bagong jail.
[44:02] Okay.
[44:02] Ngayon kasi, Mr. Chair,
[44:04] Summer,
[44:04] in the past,
[44:05] nababalitan natin,
[44:06] marami na mamatay
[44:07] ng mga PDL
[44:07] dahil sa take-dust
[44:08] because of
[44:09] over congestion.
[44:11] So,
[44:11] na-address nyo buo yan?
[44:13] Yes, sir.
[44:13] May mga advisories
[44:14] na kami pinadala
[44:15] sa mga jails.
[44:16] Nanghihingi kami
[44:17] ng tulong
[44:17] sa mga
[44:18] kaibigan namin
[44:19] sa Bureau of Pires
[44:20] para sa
[44:20] augmentation
[44:21] ng water
[44:23] kung kinakailangan
[44:24] ng additional water supply
[44:25] sa jails.
[44:26] Okay.
[44:26] Isa na lang pa lang.
[44:28] Magkano ang budget
[44:29] ng isang PDL
[44:30] pagdating po
[44:33] sa pagkain?
[44:34] Sir, 100 pesos.
[44:34] Umaga, tanghali, gabi.
[44:36] 100 pesos na po, sir, ngayon.
[44:37] From last year na 75,
[44:40] di nagdagan po
[44:40] ang naging 100.
[44:41] Very good.
[44:42] Kasi dati,
[44:43] nangyari, Mr. Chair,
[44:44] itong PDL,
[44:47] wala silang
[44:48] masyadong
[44:49] natatanggap na pagkain.
[44:52] Eh, mahirap sila
[44:53] sasabihin sa relatives
[44:55] tapos in relatives
[44:56] gagawa ng
[44:57] diskarte
[44:57] hanggang madna huli
[44:59] yung diskarte
[44:59] sila mismo
[45:00] makukulong na rin.
[45:02] So,
[45:03] meron kayong
[45:04] subdinagdagan
[45:05] yung budget
[45:06] sa maayos
[45:07] ng pagkain.
[45:08] Nag-improve
[45:09] na sir.
[45:09] PDL.
[45:10] And then,
[45:12] anong mga
[45:14] sample lang
[45:15] sa mga ulam nila?
[45:16] Anong pagkain
[45:16] na sa umaga?
[45:17] Hindi sa akin
[45:17] kinakampiyan ko
[45:18] itong mga PDL eh.
[45:19] Dahil karaktan din
[45:20] lang kumain
[45:20] ng maayos.
[45:21] Kasi hindi pa naman
[45:22] convicted.
[45:24] Suspect pa lang,
[45:25] di ba?
[45:25] And even if
[45:26] they're suspects,
[45:26] may karapatan pa rin
[45:28] silang kumain
[45:29] ng maayos.
[45:30] Ano yung mga
[45:30] pagkain
[45:31] sa umaga
[45:31] tanghali-gabi?
[45:33] Sir,
[45:33] meron kaming
[45:33] nakipag-coordinate
[45:35] kami sa
[45:36] FNRI
[45:37] para bigyan kami
[45:38] ng ideal menu
[45:39] para sa ating
[45:40] mga PDL
[45:41] for breakfast,
[45:42] lunch,
[45:44] saka dinner.
[45:45] Kasi baka
[45:46] Mr. Chair,
[45:47] tinitipid
[45:48] at siyempre
[45:48] yung matipid
[45:49] may nagbubulsa
[45:50] doon sa
[45:51] catering.
[45:53] So,
[45:54] sino ang mayari
[45:54] ng catering?
[45:56] Baka naman
[45:56] kamag-anak
[45:57] ng taga BGMP,
[45:58] baka kamag-anak
[45:59] na mataas
[46:00] na opisyal
[46:00] o poncho
[46:01] piloto sa BGMP
[46:02] yung mayari
[46:03] ng catering.
[46:03] Usually,
[46:04] ganun na nangyari,
[46:04] tama?
[46:05] Sir,
[46:05] by administration
[46:06] po yung
[46:07] pagpapakain
[46:07] sa aming mga PDL
[46:08] ngayon,
[46:09] hindi po siya
[46:09] under ng catering
[46:10] service.
[46:11] Ah,
[46:11] hindi na catering,
[46:12] dati kasi,
[46:12] so,
[46:13] sino ang nagluluto?
[46:14] Yung mga
[46:15] PDL, sir.
[46:17] At sino na mamalingke?
[46:18] Mayroon po kaming
[46:19] food service
[46:20] section sa jails.
[46:22] May mga jail personnel
[46:23] po na mamalingke
[46:24] at nagdadala sa jails.
[46:26] Then,
[46:26] ang nag-prepare po
[46:27] niya na yung mga PDL.
[46:29] PDL mismo
[46:29] nag-prepare?
[46:30] Okay,
[46:30] that's better.
[46:31] At yung mamalingke,
[46:33] jail personnel.
[46:35] Tapos,
[46:36] binibigan sila
[46:36] ng certain amount
[46:37] na yun ang
[46:38] pwede nilang gastusin
[46:40] for a certain meals.
[46:42] Ganun.
[46:43] Yes, sir.
[46:43] The full amount, sir,
[46:44] of 100 pesos per day.
[46:46] Talagang kailangan po
[46:46] na nakareplek
[46:47] kung paano
[46:48] ginastos.
[46:49] Sila ba ay
[46:50] merong budget
[46:51] para sa mga sabon,
[46:52] toiletries,
[46:53] o kailangan niyan
[46:54] bahala sila,
[46:54] bibili sila
[46:55] sa labas
[46:55] at pera nila?
[46:56] Mayroon, sir.
[46:56] That's separate budget, sir.
[46:57] And good news, sir,
[46:59] nadagdagan na rin
[46:59] yung aming budget
[47:01] for hygienic materials.
[47:04] Magano.
[47:06] Ah, good.
[47:06] How about yung
[47:07] sa mga gamot
[47:08] para,
[47:09] ano mo,
[47:10] against thick dust
[47:11] o para sa flu?
[47:14] Including the
[47:14] medicine, sir,
[47:15] nagdagdag na rin, sir,
[47:16] ng budget for medicine.
[47:19] 30 pesos per day
[47:21] na rin po ngayon
[47:21] ang budget
[47:22] ng medicine for PDL.
[47:23] Ayun,
[47:25] sumayos ng panamalakot
[47:27] ngayon dahil
[47:27] nadagdagan ng budget.
[47:29] Siyempre,
[47:29] kasi pagdagdag budget,
[47:31] eh,
[47:32] mababawasan yung
[47:34] korupsyon.
[47:36] Dahil yung mga PDL,
[47:38] eh,
[47:38] hindi na lang kailangan
[47:39] pang pumunta doon
[47:40] sa mga kamag-anak
[47:41] at siyempre,
[47:42] yung mga kamag-anak,
[47:44] eh,
[47:44] gagawa ng remedyo
[47:45] o magbabayad
[47:47] sa taga BGMP
[47:48] para magiging maayos
[47:50] ang takbo ng kanilang
[47:50] family.
[47:51] Last na lang pala talaga.
[47:52] Nauso sa mga city jail
[47:55] yung pag nire-renta
[47:57] yung space
[47:58] pagbago ka lalo na.
[48:01] Ito yung space mo,
[48:02] ang renta dito,
[48:03] ang nagpaparenta
[48:04] yung bastunero.
[48:05] Of course,
[48:05] may bas-bash yun sa taas.
[48:07] Aware kayo doon
[48:08] na ito yung space mo,
[48:11] malayo ka sa kubeta,
[48:13] mas mahal
[48:13] kaysa doon malapit ka
[48:14] sa kubeta,
[48:16] o itong banig,
[48:17] paparenta ko sa'yo,
[48:18] itong kamarenta,
[48:19] it's still happening
[48:20] or wala na?
[48:21] Nangyayari pa rin, sir.
[48:22] Nangyayari pa rin.
[48:22] So ba't yung pinapayagan
[48:24] na ipaparenta
[48:25] ng mga space
[48:26] yung mga bastunero
[48:27] doon sa loob ng kulungan?
[48:29] Sir,
[48:30] we are trying to control
[48:31] yung gang
[48:32] sa loob ng jails
[48:33] because
[48:34] pagdating naman kasi,
[48:35] sir,
[48:35] sa loob na natalaga
[48:36] ng jail,
[48:37] hindi katulad,
[48:39] sir,
[48:39] mga nakikita natin
[48:40] sa movie
[48:41] na ang PDL nila
[48:42] ay isang celda lang
[48:44] ay may dalawa lang
[48:45] maximum na PDL.
[48:46] Dito kasi,
[48:47] sa isang celda,
[48:48] kuminsan naglalaban
[48:48] ng 100,
[48:49] 100 PDL.
[48:50] Yes,
[48:50] kaya nga,
[48:51] over congestion.
[48:51] Now,
[48:53] bakit hindi kayo maglagay
[48:54] ng CCTV
[48:55] sa bawat jail cell?
[48:57] Mayroon, sir,
[48:57] may CCTV.
[48:58] So monitor nyo.
[48:59] So manalaman nyo
[49:00] na kung nagkakaroon
[49:02] ng rentahan
[49:02] o bentahan
[49:03] ng space
[49:04] because may CCTV.
[49:07] Yes, sir.
[49:08] Ang nangyayari lang kasi, sir,
[49:09] talagang kapag may grupo
[49:11] ng mga PDL,
[49:12] mayroon talagang
[49:12] nag-hahari-hariyan dyan
[49:14] yung tiyatawag nila
[49:15] na nagiging mayor
[49:16] or bastonero.
[49:17] Tedi,
[49:17] wag yung payagan.
[49:18] Yes, sir.
[49:19] Inano,
[49:19] pag na-monitor naman namin, sir,
[49:21] talagang
[49:21] yung mga bastonero,
[49:24] mayor,
[49:25] matagal ng practice yan.
[49:27] Usually,
[49:27] yan ang ginagamit
[49:28] ng mga warden
[49:30] para disiplinahin
[49:31] o magkaroon ng peace and order
[49:32] dun sa lugar
[49:34] na sila-sila
[49:34] they police among themselves
[49:36] to the mayor.
[49:37] Ang sa akin ng po, sir,
[49:39] yung bang
[49:39] pinapayagan
[49:40] itong mga bastonero
[49:41] na maningil
[49:44] na para magkaroon
[49:46] ng higaan
[49:47] katiting na space
[49:49] ang isang bagong
[49:50] saltang PDL.
[49:53] Yun dapat ipagbabawal.
[49:54] At nakarating sa akin,
[49:57] itong si bastonero
[49:58] o si mayor,
[50:00] Mr. Chair,
[50:01] nag-intriga ito
[50:01] sa isang official
[50:03] sa BGMP.
[50:06] Yun yun eh.
[50:07] Bawal na bawal po yan, sir.
[50:08] Alam ko bawal,
[50:09] pero nangyari,
[50:10] bawal kapag hindi nalaman.
[50:12] Pag nalaman,
[50:13] nagiging bawal.
[50:14] So that is,
[50:14] kaya sabi ko,
[50:15] maglagay ng CCTV,
[50:16] strict monitoring
[50:18] na lahat ng mga
[50:19] space doon,
[50:21] dapat libre
[50:22] first camp,
[50:23] first serve
[50:23] o kayo mag-a-assign.
[50:24] Hindi yung mag-a-assign
[50:25] si bastonero
[50:26] at saka maniningil siya.
[50:27] At yung nasingil niya,
[50:28] may prosyento
[50:29] ang taga BGMP personnel.
[50:31] Yun yung iwasan natin po.
[50:32] Kailangan talaga, sir,
[50:33] natin magdagdag ng mga CCTVs
[50:35] because usually,
[50:36] yung CCTV namin, sir,
[50:37] hindi naman talaga
[50:37] nakafocus sa loob ng jail
[50:39] kundi doon lang
[50:40] sa mga lobby,
[50:41] sa mga pasilya.
[50:42] O isang dapat
[50:42] sa loob ng jail din.
[50:43] Kaya nga, sir.
[50:44] Of course, sa mga CR,
[50:45] yung mga private area.
[50:47] Pero kung yung pinaka-jail itself,
[50:50] wala naman siguro
[50:50] masama doon.
[50:51] Tama ba, Mr. Chair?
[50:53] Na para mamonitro
[50:54] yung kaganapan doon sa jail
[50:56] kasi kuminsan sabihin
[50:57] nagbigte
[50:59] o sabihin
[50:59] na inataka sa puso
[51:01] pero wag ka.
[51:02] Binugbog pala.
[51:03] Pinabugbog ni Mayor
[51:04] at dahil may nagutos kay Mayor,
[51:06] mayroong mayaman na
[51:07] kamag-anak ng victim,
[51:08] babayaran si Mayor
[51:10] at si Mayor
[51:10] papatayin yung PDL,
[51:13] etc.
[51:14] So that's the reason
[51:15] why kailangan po
[51:16] yung CCTV
[51:17] para ma-monitor
[51:18] yung activities nila
[51:19] at nang sagayon
[51:21] ma-protection
[51:21] na hindi lamang
[51:22] yung mga PDL sa loob
[51:24] kundi maging kayo
[51:25] para hindi kayo
[51:26] mapagbinda
[51:26] kasi without the camera
[51:27] pag may namata
[51:28] it will be
[51:29] he said, she said
[51:29] sabihin yung kamag-anak
[51:30] ng PDLs.
[51:33] May kagagawan po
[51:33] yung utos
[51:34] yung BGMP personnel.
[51:36] Sasabihin ng BGMP personnel,
[51:37] hindi po,
[51:38] hindi totoo yan.
[51:39] Pero kung may CCTV camera,
[51:41] malalamang
[51:41] siya nagsasabi na toto.
[51:42] You follow me, sir?
[51:43] Yes, sir.
[51:43] Tama po, Mr. Chair.
[51:44] In fact, sir,
[51:45] mayroong kaming
[51:46] 488 jail facilities
[51:48] nationwide
[51:48] at binigay sa akin
[51:49] nasa 2,600 pa lang
[51:52] yung CCTV cameras namin.
[51:54] So kulang na kulag po.
[51:55] Eh, budget na natin, Mr. Chair.
[51:57] Sige, kung kailangan ng budget,
[51:58] then I will support.
[51:59] Siguro,
[52:00] okay ka man sa committee na ito
[52:01] na magkaroon karagdagang budget
[52:04] na para magkaroon ng CCTV
[52:05] ang lahat ng jail cell facilities
[52:08] ng BGMP.
[52:11] And lastly,
[52:12] nagustuhan ko na ito transfer
[52:14] na iyong jurisdiction
[52:15] ng provincial jail
[52:16] sa BGMP.
[52:17] Kasi dati,
[52:18] marami tayong napabalitan.
[52:19] Ako mismo, Mr. Chair,
[52:21] kapag kamag-anak
[52:22] ng mataas na opisyal
[52:24] sa probinsya,
[52:25] eh, nabibigyan ng special paper,
[52:27] nakakalabas pa.
[52:29] Diba?
[52:30] Eh, siyempre,
[52:31] kay Gubyan eh.
[52:32] Bata ni Gubyan eh.
[52:34] Eh, bigyan ng special treatment.
[52:35] Pero sa ngayon,
[52:36] dahil BGMP na,
[52:37] national na,
[52:38] matatanggal na yung
[52:39] ganong klaseng mga
[52:40] problema noon.
[52:43] Okay?
[52:43] That's all, Mr. Chair.
[52:44] Marami, salak.
[52:45] Thank you for answering
[52:45] all my questions.
[52:46] Thank you.
[52:47] Thank you, Sir Tutufo.
[52:48] So, we now go back to,
[52:50] ano,
[52:50] yung presentation na ng DBM.
[52:52] Thank you.
[52:56] Ma'am, you now have the floor
[52:57] for your position
[52:58] on the measures
[53:00] that we are taking up.
[53:01] Please identify yourself also.
[53:03] Yes, sir.
[53:04] Good morning.
[53:05] I'm Jenny Lin Sunga
[53:07] from DBM.
[53:07] My apologies for not able
[53:11] to attend for this meeting
[53:12] due to unexpected situation, Sir.
[53:21] Regarding the transfer
[53:22] of the provincial jails
[53:24] to the BGMT,
[53:30] pursuant to Section 17B3
[53:32] of Republic Act Number 72160,
[53:35] the provision of provincial jails
[53:37] is among the services
[53:38] devolved to the provincial government.
[53:41] Specifically, Section 468
[53:43] of the same law provides
[53:45] that the Sangguniang Panlaluigan
[53:47] as the legislative body
[53:49] of the province
[53:49] shall establish and provide
[53:51] the maintenance
[53:52] and improvement of jails
[53:53] and detention centers,
[53:55] institute a sound jail
[53:56] management program,
[53:58] and appropriate funds
[53:59] for the subsistence
[54:00] of detainees
[54:01] and convicted prisoners
[54:02] in the province.
[54:03] The said provision
[54:05] of RA No. 7160
[54:07] are in consonance
[54:09] with the provision
[54:10] of the Section 61
[54:11] of RA 6975,
[54:14] which provide
[54:14] that the jail bureau
[54:17] shall exercise supervision
[54:19] and control
[54:20] over all city
[54:22] and municipal jails.
[54:25] And detention centers,
[54:26] institute a sound jail
[54:28] management program
[54:29] and appropriate funds
[54:30] for the subsistence,
[54:33] while the provincial jails
[54:34] shall be supervised
[54:35] and controlled
[54:36] with the provincial government
[54:37] within its jurisdiction.
[54:40] In this regard,
[54:41] the transfer of supervision
[54:42] and control
[54:43] of all provincial jails
[54:45] for the integration
[54:46] to the BGMP
[54:46] is inconsistent
[54:48] with the purpose
[54:49] of decentralization
[54:51] as envisioned
[54:52] in RA 7160,
[54:55] whereby local government units
[54:56] shall be given
[54:57] more power,
[54:58] authority,
[54:59] responsibilities,
[55:00] and resources
[55:01] that the process
[55:02] of decentralization
[55:04] shall proceed
[55:04] from the national government
[55:06] to LGUs.
[55:09] And this submitted summary
[55:12] of proposed funding requirement
[55:14] for the absorption
[55:15] of provincial
[55:16] and subprovincial jails
[55:19] submitted by the BGMP.
[55:22] As of January 2026,
[55:24] the proposed transfer
[55:25] will require
[55:26] an additional amount
[55:27] of $3.4 billion.
[55:33] Accordingly,
[55:34] the requirements
[55:34] to fully implement
[55:35] the proposed transfer
[55:37] will require
[55:38] a substantial amount
[55:39] given the limited resources
[55:41] of the national government,
[55:42] it may be necessary
[55:43] to identify
[55:44] additional tax measures
[55:47] that will cover
[55:48] the purpose
[55:49] subject to congressional approval.
[55:53] Regarding the adjusting
[55:55] the rank classification
[55:58] for personnel
[56:00] of the BFP
[56:01] and the BGMP,
[56:02] it is our position
[56:03] that should the bill
[56:05] be passed,
[56:06] the same measure
[56:07] serve as a precedent
[56:07] to the other uniformed agencies
[56:09] with the same existing rank
[56:11] classification
[56:12] as the BFP
[56:13] and the BGMP
[56:14] to propose
[56:15] for upgrading
[56:16] of their rank structures
[56:17] similar to these bills,
[56:20] thus adding up
[56:20] to the increasing PS
[56:22] and pension requirements
[56:23] of uniformed personnel.
[56:27] Relative to this,
[56:28] we have computed
[56:30] for the requirements
[56:31] for the BGMP
[56:32] and BFP.
[56:33] For the BFP,
[56:34] it will require
[56:35] $52 million
[56:36] and for the BGMP,
[56:38] $29 million.
[56:40] It is already adjusted
[56:44] to the recent increase
[56:46] in salary-based pay.
[56:49] Thank you.
[56:52] Thank you, ma'am.
[56:54] Now we can,
[56:55] Jerry would like to ask,
[56:57] Siguro,
[56:57] before we move on
[56:58] to the next.
[57:03] Senate bill,
[57:05] DBMDOF or COA,
[57:08] the bill's proposed
[57:09] salary grade adjustments
[57:11] aligning BFP
[57:12] and BGMP ranks
[57:13] with the counterparts
[57:14] in the PNP and AFP.
[57:17] Magkano pong
[57:17] kakailangan
[57:19] para sa rank upgrading
[57:20] at salary standardization?
[57:22] So,
[57:24] also,
[57:25] mayroon ba itong
[57:25] magiging epekto
[57:26] sa retirement
[57:27] and pension obligations?
[57:28] Siguro,
[57:28] we can start with
[57:29] the COA ba dito?
[57:40] Yung pa,
[57:40] yung ano lang,
[57:41] is there any effect
[57:42] on retirement
[57:43] and pension obligations?
[57:46] DOF?
[57:46] Mero ba?
[57:47] DOF or
[57:48] ORDBM?
[57:54] Sir.
[57:55] Yes, sir.
[57:56] Meron po siyang
[57:57] impact actually
[57:58] sa pension pa rin
[57:59] for requirements.
[58:02] May
[58:03] indexation factor po
[58:06] kasi siya.
[58:06] So,
[58:07] pag meron po tayong
[58:08] tumatas po yung
[58:09] ating salaries,
[58:10] naka-indexation din po
[58:12] yung
[58:13] ating pension requirements.
[58:17] So,
[58:17] is there a possibility
[58:18] of salary distortion?
[58:23] Sam?
[58:24] Sige po.
[58:24] Salary distortion,
[58:26] sir,
[58:26] meaning,
[58:27] hindi, sir,
[58:32] meron po tayong
[58:33] salary upgrading
[58:37] and also
[58:38] all the
[58:39] collaterals.
[58:41] May effect din po siya
[58:42] sa all the
[58:42] allowances and collaterals
[58:44] being received
[58:45] by the MUTs.
[58:48] Sige po.
[58:49] Sa civil service,
[58:50] pwede na rin,
[58:51] quickly,
[58:51] hindi talag lang kayo.
[58:52] Is the three-year
[58:53] compliance period
[58:54] sufficient for officers
[58:55] to meet their
[58:56] academic requirements?
[58:58] Sige,
[58:58] attorney,
[59:00] Ruth?
[59:00] Sir,
[59:02] as regards
[59:03] the transition period,
[59:05] sa amin po
[59:06] sufficient na yung
[59:06] five years,
[59:07] minimum five years,
[59:08] kasi there is,
[59:10] I don't know
[59:10] what agency yung
[59:12] attrition,
[59:13] there is a certain
[59:14] period for the,
[59:18] yung parang,
[59:19] kasi kung parang,
[59:20] this is not reorg kasi,
[59:21] if you want to see
[59:22] the picture of the
[59:23] transition from the
[59:24] provincial to the
[59:26] BJMP,
[59:27] hindi kasi namin
[59:27] masasabi na reorg
[59:28] for us to
[59:30] forgo with the QS.
[59:31] So there is a need
[59:32] really for them
[59:32] to meet the QS
[59:34] under the law.
[59:34] So for us,
[59:36] pwede na po yung
[59:37] five years transition period.
[59:39] And there is really
[59:40] a need for them
[59:41] to meet that QS
[59:43] kasi otherwise
[59:45] magkakaroon tayo
[59:46] ng disapproval
[59:48] or
[59:49] invalidation of appointment
[59:52] if once
[59:54] fined by the
[59:55] Civil Service Commission
[59:56] that these
[59:57] transferred employees
[1:00:00] did not meet the QS
[1:00:01] as required
[1:00:02] under the
[1:00:03] proposed bills.
[1:00:18] Okay,
[1:00:19] so thank you.
[1:00:21] This bill
[1:00:22] almost
[1:00:23] reached the
[1:00:25] second reading
[1:00:25] last Congress
[1:00:27] kaya lang
[1:00:27] merong mga ibang
[1:00:29] tinake up yung
[1:00:31] house
[1:00:32] kaya
[1:00:33] hindi na
[1:00:33] so kumbaga
[1:00:34] ano na ito
[1:00:34] narinig na lahat
[1:00:35] and has been
[1:00:36] thoroughly researched
[1:00:38] and studied.
[1:00:39] So in order
[1:00:40] that we can move
[1:00:41] on to the
[1:00:42] next agenda,
[1:00:44] may we request
[1:00:45] that the position
[1:00:46] papers of the
[1:00:47] Concerned Agents
[1:00:47] be just submitted
[1:00:48] to the committee.
[1:00:50] Okay, thank you.
[1:00:51] So we can start
[1:00:52] with the jail
[1:00:52] integration.
[1:00:55] These are the
[1:00:56] order
[1:00:56] of presentation.
[1:00:59] Quick,
[1:00:59] bilisan na lang po natin,
[1:01:01] Department of Justice,
[1:01:03] Bureau of Jail
[1:01:03] Management Technology,
[1:01:05] DBM,
[1:01:06] COA,
[1:01:07] Civil Service,
[1:01:08] Provincial Government
[1:01:09] of Batangas,
[1:01:10] Union of Local
[1:01:12] Authorities of the
[1:01:13] Philippines,
[1:01:14] and League of
[1:01:14] Provinces of the
[1:01:16] Philippines.
[1:01:16] So yun na po yung
[1:01:17] mga nandito.
[1:01:18] Okay, so
[1:01:19] probably you can
[1:01:23] already dismiss
[1:01:23] yung mga members
[1:01:24] ng BFP.
[1:01:26] We will now
[1:01:27] talk about
[1:01:28] the jail
[1:01:30] integration.
[1:01:36] Sige,
[1:01:37] we can now
[1:01:37] start
[1:01:38] sa DOJJ pa,
[1:01:39] meron pa?
[1:01:41] Mr. Chair,
[1:01:42] thank you,
[1:01:43] thank you very much.
[1:01:44] Before we continue,
[1:01:49] this will be a
[1:01:50] working lunch
[1:01:50] in the 12,
[1:01:51] magdi-12 na rin po.
[1:01:52] You can already
[1:01:53] have your lunch
[1:01:54] while the
[1:01:56] presentations are
[1:01:57] ongoing.
[1:01:58] Please make the
[1:01:58] presentations brief,
[1:02:00] as brief as
[1:02:00] possible,
[1:02:01] and focus on
[1:02:02] yung mga
[1:02:03] gist na lang po tayo.
[1:02:11] Okay,
[1:02:14] can we start
[1:02:14] with DOJ?
[1:02:15] May DOJ ba?
[1:02:16] Mr. Chair,
[1:02:17] good morning.
[1:02:17] Ay,
[1:02:18] good morning.
[1:02:19] Senior State
[1:02:19] Council,
[1:02:20] Bernadette Ongoko.
[1:02:21] Good morning po.
[1:03:03] Please proceed.
[1:03:07] Mr. Chair,
[1:03:08] for the
[1:03:08] Department of
[1:03:09] Justice,
[1:03:10] we interpose
[1:03:11] no constitutional
[1:03:12] objection regarding
[1:03:13] this integration.
[1:03:15] We support
[1:03:15] this proposal
[1:03:18] as we
[1:03:21] have supported
[1:03:22] this in
[1:03:23] previous Congress.
[1:03:25] So,
[1:03:26] we will be
[1:03:26] submitting our
[1:03:27] official comments,
[1:03:29] Mr. Chair,
[1:03:30] by next week.
[1:03:32] Thank you.
[1:03:37] Thank you,
[1:03:38] ma'am.
[1:03:38] Thank you,
[1:03:39] Senior State
[1:03:39] Council,
[1:03:40] Bernadette Ongoko.
[1:03:41] Next,
[1:03:42] for BJMP,
[1:03:42] again,
[1:03:43] for your
[1:03:43] position
[1:03:44] on the
[1:03:46] jail integration.
[1:03:54] Thank you very much,
[1:03:54] Mr. Chair,
[1:03:55] Your Honor.
[1:03:58] So,
[1:03:58] sir,
[1:03:58] the jail bureau
[1:03:59] or the Bureau
[1:03:59] of Jail Management
[1:04:00] and Penology
[1:04:01] extends its
[1:04:02] sincere gratitude
[1:04:03] for the opportunity
[1:04:04] to participate
[1:04:05] in this very
[1:04:06] significant hearing
[1:04:07] concerning the
[1:04:08] proposal
[1:04:08] to transfer
[1:04:10] to transfer
[1:04:10] the supervision
[1:04:11] and control
[1:04:12] of all
[1:04:12] provincial
[1:04:13] and sub-provincial
[1:04:14] jails
[1:04:14] to the Bureau
[1:04:15] of Jail Management
[1:04:15] and Penology.
[1:04:17] The willingness
[1:04:18] to hear the Bureau's
[1:04:19] stand on this
[1:04:19] subject
[1:04:20] demonstrate the
[1:04:21] committee's
[1:04:22] commitment to
[1:04:22] legislative duty.
[1:04:24] The integration
[1:04:25] of provincial
[1:04:25] and sub-provincial
[1:04:27] jails
[1:04:27] into the
[1:04:27] BJMP
[1:04:28] offers significant
[1:04:29] advantages
[1:04:30] which are as
[1:04:31] follows.
[1:04:32] Number one,
[1:04:33] there will be
[1:04:34] an established
[1:04:34] uniform and
[1:04:35] standard policy
[1:04:36] for the
[1:04:37] administration
[1:04:37] and supervision
[1:04:38] of all
[1:04:39] local jails.
[1:04:40] Number two,
[1:04:41] the administration
[1:04:42] and operation
[1:04:43] of all local
[1:04:43] jails will be
[1:04:44] entrusted to
[1:04:45] the BJMP
[1:04:45] which is a
[1:04:47] specialized
[1:04:47] agency for
[1:04:48] detention,
[1:04:49] safekeeping
[1:04:50] and development
[1:04:50] of persons
[1:04:51] deprived of
[1:04:52] liberty.
[1:04:53] Thus,
[1:04:53] the objective
[1:04:54] of public
[1:04:54] safety and
[1:04:55] institutional
[1:04:56] correction
[1:04:56] for jail
[1:04:57] supervision
[1:04:58] and management
[1:04:58] can be
[1:04:59] better attained
[1:05:00] through this
[1:05:01] act.
[1:05:02] Number three,
[1:05:03] the provincial
[1:05:04] government
[1:05:04] will be
[1:05:05] unburdened
[1:05:06] from the
[1:05:06] task of
[1:05:07] supervising
[1:05:07] and maintaining
[1:05:08] a jail
[1:05:09] facility,
[1:05:10] enabling them
[1:05:11] to devote
[1:05:12] its focus
[1:05:12] and resources
[1:05:13] to other
[1:05:13] more pressing
[1:05:14] responsibilities.
[1:05:16] And number
[1:05:17] four,
[1:05:17] this measure
[1:05:18] will promote
[1:05:19] the professionalization
[1:05:20] of jail
[1:05:20] personnel,
[1:05:21] which will
[1:05:22] now include
[1:05:23] the provincial
[1:05:23] jail guards.
[1:05:25] At present,
[1:05:27] 53.75%
[1:05:28] of provincial
[1:05:29] governments
[1:05:31] are manning
[1:05:32] these provincial
[1:05:34] jails and
[1:05:34] sub-provincial
[1:05:35] jails have
[1:05:36] already expressed
[1:05:37] their willingness
[1:05:38] to transfer
[1:05:39] the management
[1:05:39] of their
[1:05:40] facilities
[1:05:41] to the
[1:05:41] Bureau of
[1:05:41] Jail Management
[1:05:42] and
[1:05:42] Technology.
[1:05:44] Their
[1:05:44] conformity
[1:05:45] is rooted
[1:05:45] on their
[1:05:46] appreciation
[1:05:46] that there
[1:05:47] is a need
[1:05:49] to establish
[1:05:50] a national
[1:05:50] standard
[1:05:51] in the
[1:05:51] operation
[1:05:52] and management
[1:05:52] of all
[1:05:53] local jails
[1:05:53] and that
[1:05:54] the integration
[1:05:55] of provincial
[1:05:55] jails
[1:05:56] and sub-provincial
[1:05:57] jails
[1:05:57] into the
[1:05:57] BNP
[1:05:58] will assist
[1:05:59] all relevant
[1:06:00] parties.
[1:06:02] First,
[1:06:03] this will
[1:06:03] unburden
[1:06:04] the provincial
[1:06:04] government
[1:06:05] of one
[1:06:06] of its
[1:06:06] many vital
[1:06:07] obligations
[1:06:07] to their
[1:06:08] constituents.
[1:06:08] Secondly,
[1:06:10] the provincial
[1:06:11] jail guards
[1:06:11] currently
[1:06:12] handling
[1:06:13] provincial
[1:06:14] jail
[1:06:14] facilities
[1:06:14] will have
[1:06:16] the same
[1:06:16] opportunities
[1:06:17] in terms
[1:06:17] of salary,
[1:06:19] benefits,
[1:06:19] and training
[1:06:20] provided they
[1:06:21] possess the
[1:06:22] required
[1:06:22] qualifications
[1:06:23] set by the
[1:06:24] Civil Service
[1:06:24] Commission.
[1:06:26] Currently,
[1:06:26] a total
[1:06:27] of 2,470
[1:06:29] personnel are
[1:06:31] manning the
[1:06:32] provincial
[1:06:32] jails
[1:06:33] nationwide,
[1:06:35] and
[1:06:35] approximately
[1:06:35] 52%
[1:06:37] of whom
[1:06:37] do not
[1:06:38] hold
[1:06:38] regular
[1:06:39] plantilla
[1:06:39] positions.
[1:06:41] This bill
[1:06:41] will promote
[1:06:42] the
[1:06:42] professionalization
[1:06:43] of jail
[1:06:44] personnel,
[1:06:45] including
[1:06:45] provincial
[1:06:46] jail
[1:06:46] guards.
[1:06:47] Thirdly,
[1:06:49] this move
[1:06:49] to enable
[1:06:50] the BGMP
[1:06:50] to further
[1:06:51] advance
[1:06:52] its
[1:06:53] decongestion
[1:06:53] measures.
[1:06:54] And lastly,
[1:06:55] and most
[1:06:56] important,
[1:06:57] the passage
[1:06:57] of this
[1:06:58] bill will
[1:06:59] ensure that
[1:06:59] the persons
[1:07:00] deprived of
[1:07:00] liberty are
[1:07:01] provided
[1:07:02] with optimal
[1:07:03] reformative
[1:07:03] and rehabilitative
[1:07:04] treatment
[1:07:05] programs to
[1:07:06] the
[1:07:06] establishment
[1:07:07] of a
[1:07:07] uniform
[1:07:08] and
[1:07:08] standardized
[1:07:09] policy on
[1:07:10] the
[1:07:10] administration
[1:07:10] and
[1:07:11] supervision
[1:07:11] of all
[1:07:13] local
[1:07:13] jails.
[1:07:14] In
[1:07:14] closing,
[1:07:14] Mr.
[1:07:15] Chair,
[1:07:15] the passage
[1:07:16] of this
[1:07:16] bill is
[1:07:17] also aligned
[1:07:18] with the
[1:07:18] national
[1:07:18] goals such
[1:07:19] as the
[1:07:20] Philippine
[1:07:20] Development
[1:07:20] Plan
[1:07:21] 2023-2028,
[1:07:23] specifically
[1:07:24] under Chapter
[1:07:25] 13.2,
[1:07:26] Outcome
[1:07:27] 3,
[1:07:28] improving
[1:07:28] the quality
[1:07:29] of life
[1:07:29] of PDL
[1:07:30] and ensuring
[1:07:30] the productive
[1:07:32] reintegration
[1:07:33] of PDL
[1:07:33] into the
[1:07:34] community,
[1:07:34] and specifically
[1:07:35] in establishing
[1:07:37] a unified
[1:07:38] phenology and
[1:07:39] correction
[1:07:39] systems.
[1:07:41] And the
[1:07:41] ambition
[1:07:42] in 2040
[1:07:43] as regards
[1:07:44] to the
[1:07:44] modernization
[1:07:45] and capacity
[1:07:46] building of
[1:07:47] the DILG
[1:07:48] along with
[1:07:48] the PNP
[1:07:49] and the
[1:07:50] BGMP.
[1:07:51] Mr.
[1:07:51] Chair,
[1:07:52] we also
[1:07:54] prepared an
[1:07:55] ABP to
[1:07:56] further express
[1:07:58] or elucidate
[1:08:00] our stand
[1:08:01] on this
[1:08:01] if we will
[1:08:02] be allowed
[1:08:03] to play
[1:08:05] it.
[1:08:05] How long
[1:08:05] will it take?
[1:08:06] Just a 4
[1:08:07] means
[1:08:07] to make
[1:08:09] it quick
[1:08:10] so we can
[1:08:11] hopefully
[1:08:11] adjourn
[1:08:12] before 1
[1:08:13] o'clock.
[1:08:13] Thank you
[1:08:14] very much.
[1:08:14] Okay.
[1:08:14] Sige po.
[1:08:15] Is it ready
[1:08:16] already
[1:08:17] their presentation?
[1:08:18] ABP.
[1:08:19] To the
[1:08:22] Honorable
[1:08:23] Chairperson
[1:08:23] of the
[1:08:24] Senate
[1:08:24] Committee
[1:08:24] on Public
[1:08:25] Order
[1:08:25] and
[1:08:26] Dangerous
[1:08:26] Drugs,
[1:08:27] Joseph
[1:08:27] Victor,
[1:08:28] J.V.
[1:08:28] Ejercito,
[1:08:29] and the
[1:08:30] distinguished
[1:08:30] members
[1:08:30] of the
[1:08:31] committee,
[1:08:32] good day.
[1:08:33] The
[1:08:33] current
[1:08:33] jail
[1:08:34] management
[1:08:34] system
[1:08:35] in the
[1:08:35] Philippines
[1:08:35] remains
[1:08:36] divided,
[1:08:37] while
[1:08:37] the BJMP
[1:08:38] overseas
[1:08:38] district,
[1:08:39] city,
[1:08:40] and municipal
[1:08:41] jails,
[1:08:42] provincial
[1:08:42] governments
[1:08:43] operate their
[1:08:43] own facilities.
[1:08:45] This dual
[1:08:46] structure has
[1:08:46] resulted in
[1:08:47] uneven
[1:08:47] operational
[1:08:48] standards,
[1:08:49] inconsistent
[1:08:49] security
[1:08:50] practices,
[1:08:51] and varying
[1:08:52] levels of
[1:08:52] rehabilitation
[1:08:53] services across
[1:08:54] jurisdictions.
[1:08:56] A unified
[1:08:56] national approach
[1:08:57] is therefore
[1:08:58] necessary to
[1:08:59] ensure uniformity
[1:09:00] in custodial
[1:09:01] care and to
[1:09:01] strengthen the
[1:09:02] country's
[1:09:02] overall jail
[1:09:03] management
[1:09:03] system.
[1:09:04] Explicitly
[1:09:05] supported under
[1:09:06] the Philippine
[1:09:06] Development Plan
[1:09:07] 2023-2028 of
[1:09:09] the Department
[1:09:10] of Economy,
[1:09:11] Planning,
[1:09:12] and Development.
[1:09:13] This initiative
[1:09:13] advances
[1:09:14] Outcome 3,
[1:09:15] which aims to
[1:09:16] improve the
[1:09:16] well-being of
[1:09:17] persons deprived
[1:09:18] of liberty
[1:09:18] and promote
[1:09:19] their successful
[1:09:19] reintegration.
[1:09:21] By prioritizing
[1:09:22] a unified
[1:09:23] penology and
[1:09:24] corrections system,
[1:09:25] it strengthens
[1:09:26] the PDP's
[1:09:26] commitment to a
[1:09:27] more humane,
[1:09:28] efficient,
[1:09:29] and responsive
[1:09:29] corrections framework.
[1:09:33] The BJMP has
[1:09:34] consistently
[1:09:34] demonstrated its
[1:09:35] institutional
[1:09:36] capability to
[1:09:37] administer jails
[1:09:38] in a professional
[1:09:38] and humane
[1:09:39] manner.
[1:09:40] Its rehabilitation
[1:09:41] programs,
[1:09:42] benefiting 116,669
[1:09:46] persons deprived
[1:09:47] of liberty,
[1:09:48] provide educational,
[1:09:49] livelihood,
[1:09:50] spiritual,
[1:09:51] and therapeutic
[1:09:51] interventions
[1:09:52] aligned with the
[1:09:53] Nelson Mandela
[1:09:53] rules.
[1:09:55] These initiatives
[1:09:56] reflect the
[1:09:56] Bureau's long-term
[1:09:57] commitment not only
[1:09:59] to custodial security
[1:10:00] but also to
[1:10:01] preparing PDLs for
[1:10:02] eventual reintegration
[1:10:03] into society.
[1:10:05] Another key
[1:10:05] strength of the BJMP
[1:10:07] is its trained and
[1:10:08] professional core of
[1:10:09] 26,894
[1:10:11] personnel.
[1:10:12] Through continuous
[1:10:13] capacity building,
[1:10:14] competency upgrading,
[1:10:16] and leadership
[1:10:16] development, BJMP
[1:10:18] personnel maintain
[1:10:19] high standards of
[1:10:20] discipline, integrity,
[1:10:21] and operational
[1:10:22] competence.
[1:10:24] These institutional
[1:10:25] advantages cannot be
[1:10:26] fully duplicated by
[1:10:27] individual provincial
[1:10:28] governments, whose
[1:10:29] capacities and
[1:10:31] resources differ
[1:10:31] widely.
[1:10:33] At present, the BJMP
[1:10:34] manages 488 jail
[1:10:36] facilities nationwide,
[1:10:38] operating under a
[1:10:39] unified set of
[1:10:40] policies and
[1:10:41] procedures.
[1:10:42] Extending this
[1:10:43] standardized system to
[1:10:44] provincial jails will
[1:10:45] resolve long-standing
[1:10:46] disparities in custodial
[1:10:48] practices and improve the
[1:10:49] welfare and security of
[1:10:50] PDLs across the
[1:10:51] country.
[1:10:52] In the 20th Congress,
[1:10:54] four Senate bills were
[1:10:55] refiled, by Senator J.V.
[1:10:57] Ejercito, Senator Juan
[1:10:58] Miguel Subiri, Senator
[1:11:00] Ronald Vato de la Rosa,
[1:11:02] and Senator Jingoy Ejercito
[1:11:04] Estrada, underscoring the
[1:11:05] continuing importance of
[1:11:06] unifying local jail
[1:11:08] administration.
[1:11:09] The proposed measure
[1:11:10] transfers the management,
[1:11:12] control, and supervision of
[1:11:13] provincial and sub-provincial
[1:11:14] jails to the BJMP, while
[1:11:16] retaining ownership of land
[1:11:18] and buildings with the
[1:11:19] provincial governments.
[1:11:21] Personnel of provincial
[1:11:22] jails will retain security
[1:11:23] of tenure and will be
[1:11:24] absorbed by the BJMP in
[1:11:26] accordance with the
[1:11:27] Qualification Standards of
[1:11:28] Republic Act No.
[1:11:29] 9263.
[1:11:31] To ensure an orderly shift,
[1:11:33] the measure provides for a
[1:11:34] three-year transition period.
[1:11:37] During this time, provincial
[1:11:38] governments will continue
[1:11:39] funding the subsistence of
[1:11:40] PDLs and facility maintenance,
[1:11:43] until such time as the BJMP
[1:11:44] assumes full supervision and
[1:11:46] operational responsibility.
[1:11:48] We also acknowledge the
[1:11:49] support of several local
[1:11:51] chief executives.
[1:11:53] Their endorsements reflect a
[1:11:54] shared understanding that
[1:11:55] jail management requires
[1:11:56] specialized expertise,
[1:11:58] standardized systems, and
[1:12:00] professionalized service,
[1:12:01] attributes inherent in the BJMP.
[1:12:04] In closing, this measure
[1:12:05] represents a necessary step
[1:12:07] toward a professional, humane,
[1:12:09] and unified jail management
[1:12:10] system that strengthens
[1:12:11] national security, advances
[1:12:13] human rights, and aligns the
[1:12:15] country with global
[1:12:16] correctness standards.
[1:12:18] We respectfully seek the
[1:12:19] favorable consideration of
[1:12:20] this honorable committee.
[1:12:23] Thank you.
[1:12:23] Please go ahead.
[1:12:32] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:12:32] That's all for the BJMP.
[1:12:35] Thank you.
[1:12:36] Probably DILG.
[1:12:37] Meron pa tayong anorita
[1:12:38] position.
[1:12:38] Yusek Barreto.
[1:12:39] On Senate Bill number 203,
[1:12:58] transferring provincial and
[1:13:01] sub-provincial jails to BJMP,
[1:13:04] this bill tackles fragmentation
[1:13:07] of jail administration.
[1:13:11] For district, city, municipal
[1:13:14] jails fall under BJMP, but
[1:13:18] provincial jails remain with
[1:13:21] local governments.
[1:13:24] Transferring control as a
[1:13:26] provision to BJMP promotes
[1:13:29] coherence.
[1:13:31] Efficient resource allocation
[1:13:34] and consistent standards for
[1:13:37] prisons deprived of
[1:13:38] liberty for PDL.
[1:13:41] While DILG's long-term agenda
[1:13:45] envisions merging BJMP and
[1:13:50] provincial jails with BUCOR
[1:13:52] under DOJ for a unified
[1:13:57] correction system, SB203 is a
[1:14:02] practical immediate reform.
[1:14:06] It fills current gaps without
[1:14:11] prejudicing future structural
[1:14:16] changes.
[1:14:17] we urge its swift approval.
[1:14:22] Thank you.
[1:14:29] Yusek Barreto.
[1:14:31] Go back to DBM.
[1:14:34] She's still online.
[1:14:36] Online ba naman siya?
[1:14:39] Ma'am, you're the position of
[1:14:41] DBM on the integration,
[1:14:44] chill integration.
[1:14:45] Yes, sir.
[1:14:46] For the DBM, sir, we are
[1:14:48] constrained from favorably
[1:14:49] recommending the proposed
[1:14:51] legislative measure.
[1:14:52] As mentioned earlier, sir, the
[1:14:56] transfer of supervision and
[1:14:58] control of all provincial jails
[1:15:00] for the integration to the BJMP is
[1:15:03] inconsistent with the purpose of
[1:15:05] decentralization.
[1:15:07] The LGUs shall be given more
[1:15:10] power, authority, and
[1:15:12] responsibilities and resources.
[1:15:13] Sir, we have also mentioned that it
[1:15:18] would require an amount of $3.4 billion
[1:15:21] for this purpose.
[1:15:24] Thank you.
[1:15:28] Sa civil service, ma'am, again,
[1:15:32] what's the position?
[1:15:32] Kasi meron pong integration,
[1:15:34] nung transfer pala, nung jail
[1:15:37] guards to the BJMP.
[1:15:40] Ma'am, sige po.
[1:15:41] Good morning again, pa.
[1:15:43] As we respectfully manifest,
[1:15:46] we respectfully reiterate our
[1:15:47] manifestation, your honor, that
[1:15:50] the absorption under Section 5 of
[1:15:52] SB 1872, the absorption of the
[1:15:56] provincial and subprovincial jails
[1:15:58] into the BJMP will have
[1:16:00] significant implications to
[1:16:02] existing employees, particularly
[1:16:04] those occupying first-level
[1:16:06] positions.
[1:16:08] It must be noted that when the
[1:16:09] BJMP ranks were professionalized
[1:16:11] under RA 9263 and 9592, the
[1:16:15] minimum education requirement was
[1:16:17] upgraded to completion of a
[1:16:19] baccalaureate degree, and
[1:16:21] consequently, the corresponding
[1:16:22] eligibility requirement was
[1:16:24] upgraded to second-level or
[1:16:26] professional eligibility.
[1:16:28] In this regard, it's
[1:16:29] recommended that a provision be
[1:16:30] included to allow existing
[1:16:32] employees of provincial and
[1:16:34] subprovincial jails who do not
[1:16:37] currently meet the qualification
[1:16:38] standards an opportunity to
[1:16:40] comply with the required
[1:16:41] standards within a specific
[1:16:43] period, example po, minimum of
[1:16:46] five-year transition period in
[1:16:48] order to be absorbed into the
[1:16:50] BJMP.
[1:16:52] Relatedly, Section 5 of SB
[1:16:54] numbers 203-886-1196-1273
[1:16:59] provides a provision for this
[1:17:01] matter, which states, provided
[1:17:04] that the BJMP shall take
[1:17:05] proactive measures in training and
[1:17:07] enhancing the capacity of
[1:17:09] employees and personnel of
[1:17:11] provincial and subprovincial jails
[1:17:13] to obtain the necessary
[1:17:14] qualifications, provided further
[1:17:17] that those who will fail to
[1:17:19] comply with the qualification
[1:17:20] standards at the time of
[1:17:22] transfer shall be given five
[1:17:24] years from which to comply as
[1:17:28] provided for in this Act to
[1:17:29] complete the necessary
[1:17:30] requirements for the concerned
[1:17:32] position.
[1:17:32] This foregoing provision may be
[1:17:35] adopted to ensure that
[1:17:36] existing employees in the
[1:17:38] provincial and subprovincial
[1:17:39] jails who do not yet meet the
[1:17:41] qualification standards for
[1:17:43] absorption into the BJMP are
[1:17:45] afforded a reasonable and
[1:17:46] definite period of time with
[1:17:48] increased to comply with the
[1:17:49] requirements for the respective
[1:17:51] positions.
[1:17:52] As regards Section 7 or the
[1:17:55] Special Oversight Committee of
[1:17:58] SB 1872, the CSC interposed its
[1:18:02] reservation considering that
[1:18:05] considering that membership in
[1:18:13] such committee as issues arising
[1:18:16] from the implementation of the
[1:18:18] Act may be brought before the CSC for
[1:18:20] resolution, especially on human
[1:18:21] resources matters.
[1:18:23] That's for the two key points for
[1:18:26] the Civil Service Commission, Your
[1:18:27] Honor.
[1:18:27] Thank you, ma'am.
[1:18:29] Next will be the, let's hear from
[1:18:32] the provincial, no, yung mga
[1:18:34] positions sa mga probinsya.
[1:18:36] Let's hear first from the League of
[1:18:38] Provinces of the Philippines and
[1:18:41] then followed by Union of Local
[1:18:42] Autorities of the Philippines and
[1:18:44] then Provincial Government of
[1:18:46] Batangas.
[1:18:47] Sige po, sa League of Provinces.
[1:18:50] Yes, good morning, Mr. Chair.
[1:18:51] Yes, ma'am.
[1:18:52] We have, the League of Provinces has
[1:18:54] submitted its position paper on 10,
[1:18:56] March 20, 26th.
[1:18:58] So we're just going to read some
[1:19:00] portions of our position paper po.
[1:19:02] So firstly, the League is of the
[1:19:06] position that the jail integration
[1:19:10] bills is counter-devolution and
[1:19:12] contrary to the spirit of the local
[1:19:14] government code.
[1:19:16] However, the argument in integrating
[1:19:18] jail management and services to
[1:19:20] ensure compliance with international
[1:19:22] standards may be valid as some
[1:19:25] provinces are amenable to the
[1:19:26] transfer, but there are other
[1:19:29] provinces who are not.
[1:19:31] This is why the League has not
[1:19:32] adopted a uniform position
[1:19:34] mandating full transfer as it is
[1:19:37] recognized that such decision should
[1:19:39] be addressed on a case-to-case
[1:19:40] basis depending on the circumstances
[1:19:43] and capacities of the provinces
[1:19:45] concerned.
[1:19:46] The BJMP has already mentioned that
[1:19:49] there are at least
[1:19:50] 52 provinces who are, who have
[1:19:56] transferred the, have entered into
[1:19:59] memorandum of agreement with the
[1:20:01] BJMP for the management of the
[1:20:03] provincial jails.
[1:20:04] However, there are some who have
[1:20:06] really expressed that they would not
[1:20:08] rather, they would rather keep their
[1:20:10] functions for the provincial jail.
[1:20:12] So, parang, Mr. Chair, our compromise
[1:20:15] is that we do this on a case-to-case
[1:20:17] basis.
[1:20:18] So, instead of providing in the law
[1:20:20] that the use of the word
[1:20:22] shall, if we can put it on a may,
[1:20:26] exchange the word shall with may.
[1:20:29] And then, however, the League is not
[1:20:31] in favor of provisions requiring the
[1:20:33] transfer of LGU resources and
[1:20:36] facilities to the BJMP, including land
[1:20:38] where current provincial jails are
[1:20:40] located.
[1:20:42] This, this has no legal and factual
[1:20:45] basis and relative there.
[1:20:46] So, that's why the League imposes its
[1:20:49] clear objection on this, to this
[1:20:51] provision.
[1:20:53] General position is that the League
[1:20:54] recognizes that a legit, the
[1:20:56] legislative measure is necessary
[1:20:59] should there be a policy to transfer
[1:21:01] provincial jails to the BJMP.
[1:21:04] However, such measure must respect the
[1:21:06] principles of decentralization and
[1:21:08] local autonomy and must not impose a
[1:21:10] mandatory transfer that disregards the
[1:21:13] varying capacities and conditions of the
[1:21:15] provinces.
[1:21:16] So, we have six recommendations, Mr.
[1:21:19] Chair.
[1:21:20] First is to allow but not mandate the
[1:21:22] transfer of the provincial jails to
[1:21:24] the BJMP.
[1:21:26] And then, relative to this, leave the
[1:21:28] decision to transfer the, to the
[1:21:31] respective provinces subject to approval
[1:21:33] by the respective Sanggunian Panlalawigans.
[1:21:36] Then, third is to remove the provisions
[1:21:39] requiring the transfer of provincial
[1:21:41] assets, properties, and funds to the
[1:21:43] BJMP.
[1:21:44] Once the province agrees to transfer the
[1:21:50] functions, the management, the control, and
[1:21:53] supervision of the provincial jails to
[1:21:55] the BJMP, that is, that necessarily means
[1:21:58] that they are already giving up their
[1:22:02] mandate on the provincial jails.
[1:22:04] So, I do not think that the LGUs are in the capa, are, are
[1:22:09] legally mandated to be continuing to fund this.
[1:22:13] So, fourth is that we propose to institutionalize mechanisms
[1:22:19] that will allow flexible arrangements such as, such as MOA's for technical
[1:22:24] assistance and jail management support.
[1:22:26] Then, fifth, ensure that such arrangement will avoid disruption of services and
[1:22:31] promote smoother coordination and more efficient relationship between the BJMP and
[1:22:36] concerned provinces.
[1:22:37] And last, upon the completion of the three-year transition period for the transfer of the
[1:22:43] provincial jails to the BJMP, the concerned provinces shall be relieved of the function
[1:22:49] of allocating funds for the maintenance and improvement of jails and detention centers and
[1:22:55] subsistence of detainees and convicted personnel.
[1:22:58] The same cost should be shouldered by the BJMP under the General Appropriations Act.
[1:23:05] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:23:07] Ma'am, so yung pong ano, may we just have an idea, ilan po yung favor and how we are not
[1:23:14] favor sa mga probinsya kung meron po kayong count?
[1:23:18] Mr. Chair, nagbabari po yung numbers for now.
[1:23:23] Kasi there are, we understand that this already crossed at least four congresses.
[1:23:29] See, if I'm not mistaken, this bill started in the 17th Congress.
[1:23:35] Tapos, kapag nag-change rin ng administration, minsan may mga provinces na may mga governors
[1:23:42] na in favor and then the next, the succeeding governor nag-change na po ng position.
[1:23:47] So, we do not have a, what they call this, a current number for now.
[1:23:53] Although BJMP will have a number of the provinces who entered into AMOA with them,
[1:23:58] which we understand to mean that in favor sila sa pag-transfer ng kanilang provincial jails.
[1:24:05] Mr. Chair.
[1:24:05] What's up, siguro lang, just have an idea, concerns, why they have apprehensions on the said integration.
[1:24:17] Kasi this will professionalize the management by having it supervised by the BJMP.
[1:24:24] Is it, is it, is it, is it the concern, syempre nag-LGU din ako, syempre ang concern ko dyan yung displacement of,
[1:24:32] of, halimbawa, provincial guards or workers.
[1:24:38] Could there be, ano, kung meron bang, ano, some will be absorbed, those who will qualify.
[1:24:43] No, ang naging ano rao, sabi ni Comsec, last time, the agreement was those who will not be, will not be absorbed,
[1:24:50] because hindi who will qualify, will be absorbed by the local government.
[1:24:55] But, yung kanilang service will be continuous para hindi ma-disrupt, no?
[1:25:01] So, probably that's the, one of the reasons.
[1:25:05] There will be a compromise naman eh, kasi parang ang hihirap naman kung if we will pass this,
[1:25:10] tapos, ano, optional, no, yung May, yung sinasabi niya kanina.
[1:25:16] But we would want to get the, ano, also, of course, we respect, as a former local government official,
[1:25:21] we respect the HLGU, yung local government code, yung autonomy.
[1:25:25] But if this will, siguro we have to weigh things that if this will improve the service,
[1:25:30] especially yung pong condition and handling of our PDLs, then probably it's worth looking at.
[1:25:37] Yes, Mr. Chair, tama po kayo.
[1:25:39] The first, the first agam-agam nila is the displacement of the personnel.
[1:25:46] Hindi nang naisip ko eh, dahil ako rin yun ang naisip ko.
[1:25:49] Pero, nagsabi naman ang BJMB that those who will qualify will be absorbed,
[1:25:56] but those who will not be, siguro ang proposal natin ng committee
[1:25:59] is that it will be absorbed by the local government.
[1:26:03] Pero yung kanila pong service continues, no?
[1:26:07] Kung baga parang walang disruption, it will be considered.
[1:26:11] Siguro po pwedeng, ano, yun, no?
[1:26:12] We can discuss that further with the different provinces.
[1:26:17] Then, Mr. Chair, I think there's also, there are some bills kasi na sinasabi
[1:26:22] once na transfer na yung provincial operation, management,
[1:26:25] and supervision of the provincial jails to the BJMP.
[1:26:30] Mananatili pa rin po sa LGUs yung cost ng operation and maintenance.
[1:26:36] So, that is one of the second thoughts of some LGUs.
[1:26:42] That's the source of their, what they call this, the opposition.
[1:26:48] Pero once ma-transfer naman po siguro yung costs for running the provincial jail,
[1:26:54] I think medyo baka pwede na pong mapag-usapan uli.
[1:26:58] Because we have held a number of meetings with the BJMP before.
[1:27:03] Yun po po yung position nila na the league does not take a collective position.
[1:27:08] So, on a case-to-case basis.
[1:27:12] Thank you po.
[1:27:12] Well, we hear you, no?
[1:27:45] In fact, we have heard, we have some, we wrote letters to the different provinces already.
[1:27:52] May ibang nag-respond na.
[1:27:53] Meron po mga favor, no?
[1:27:55] Some provinces, but there are also who are opposed, no?
[1:28:00] So, syempre, pangunay ng panakawang batas na ito,
[1:28:03] yung integration ng BJMP ay to relieve the LGUs of their responsibilities ng jail management
[1:28:10] at upang makapag-focus sila in other basic services.
[1:28:14] And also, yun more importantly, the professional handling of PDLs, no?
[1:28:22] Yun ba, siguro sa ang ayob buong mga local governors isuko ang control sa kanilang mga prasilitan
[1:28:27] kapalit ng fiscal relief.
[1:28:29] So, that will be probably the question.
[1:28:31] Siguro yun ang dapat nating i-address, no?
[1:28:38] The concerns of different LGUs.
[1:28:40] For the informational body, may natanggap na rin po kaming position from the province of Bulacan.
[1:28:46] They believe that this response must remain vested in the province,
[1:28:49] which they believe is consistent with the local government code and the constitution.
[1:28:56] Tapos, may ano pa, ano pa ang ano.
[1:28:57] But there are other provinces that are in favor, like Bataan, Southern Leyte,
[1:29:04] and I think Camarines Norte.
[1:29:06] So, we're waiting for the responses.
[1:29:09] So, yun po.
[1:29:10] So, we can ask, probably you can go next to ULAP, Union of Local Authorities of the Philippines,
[1:29:22] yun po ang position niyo po regarding the jail integration.
[1:29:25] Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.
[1:29:27] I'll keep this relatively short po.
[1:29:30] ULAP finds the legislative intent of the bills on the transfer of control and supervision
[1:29:34] of provincial jails to the BJMP to be reasonable for the standardization of jail services.
[1:29:41] However, while some provinces may be amenable to this,
[1:29:44] we see possible difficulties in the application of the provisions,
[1:29:48] should it become a law,
[1:29:49] considering that each province has evolved the administration of their jails.
[1:29:54] Given that, ULAP, as the umbrella organization of all leagues of LGUs
[1:29:57] and locally elected officials,
[1:29:59] defers to the League of Provinces of the Philippines,
[1:30:01] since their members will be the most affected stakeholders,
[1:30:04] should it become a law.
[1:30:05] Thank you, Pope.
[1:30:08] Okay, Attorney.
[1:30:09] Thank you, Attorney Untalan.
[1:30:12] Next, siguro.
[1:30:17] At sa province of Batangas, is here pala.
[1:30:20] At least andito.
[1:30:21] Thank you for coming, sir.
[1:30:24] Adalaw po kayo.
[1:30:25] Sige po.
[1:30:25] Please, sino po magsasalta?
[1:30:28] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:30:29] Good morning po, everyone, to the distinguished guests.
[1:30:32] I'm Attorney Ose Marco, video comp.
[1:30:34] I am here to represent and provide the views and stance
[1:30:37] of the provincial government of Batangas.
[1:30:39] Yes, please, sir.
[1:30:40] Go ahead.
[1:30:41] First of all, po, we support the passage of this SB number 886,
[1:30:46] 1273, 203, and 1196,
[1:30:48] considering that this would actually alleviate
[1:30:50] and cure some of the issues we are facing in the province of Batangas.
[1:30:53] Just to paint a small picture, po,
[1:30:55] in the provincial jail of Batangas,
[1:30:58] we are actually taking care of actually around 500 PDLs,
[1:31:02] persons deprived of liberty,
[1:31:05] which should actually be under the jurisdiction of the BGMP.
[1:31:09] And this 500 PDLs actually composes 60% of the population
[1:31:15] of our provincial jail.
[1:31:18] Therefore, if this law passes,
[1:31:20] this would actually cure this issue
[1:31:22] for the province of Batangas specifically.
[1:31:26] In addition to this,
[1:31:27] in relation to the issue on the displaced personnel,
[1:31:31] I can only speak for the province of Batangas,
[1:31:34] but we have already spoken
[1:31:35] with our personnel in the provincial jail,
[1:31:39] and we have assured them that
[1:31:40] we will protect their security of tenure,
[1:31:44] whether they be placed in the BGMP
[1:31:46] or in the local government of Batangas.
[1:31:49] Just to keep it brief here,
[1:31:50] Mr. Chair, we will provide our views and comments
[1:31:53] after this committee hearing.
[1:31:56] Thank you.
[1:31:57] So the position of the province of Batangas
[1:32:00] is supportive,
[1:32:02] and they have assured their jail personnel,
[1:32:06] yung po mga provincial guards,
[1:32:07] that those that will not be absorbed
[1:32:09] will be absorbed by the LGU,
[1:32:11] ay, by the province.
[1:32:13] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[1:32:14] Thank you.
[1:32:14] Thank you, attorney.
[1:32:15] Next is sa mga liga ng mga barangay.
[1:32:27] Ah, wala pala.
[1:32:28] Wala.
[1:32:30] He was here.
[1:32:32] Sumama sa fire.
[1:32:34] Hindi pa sila dapat namalis.
[1:32:36] Anyway,
[1:32:39] we can ask siguro,
[1:32:42] sa a few questions,
[1:32:43] according to the report you submitted sa BGMP,
[1:32:47] to the committee in the previous series,
[1:32:48] mayroong significant improvement
[1:32:49] in the national congestion rate,
[1:32:52] dropping from 612%
[1:32:53] in 2017
[1:32:55] to 279%
[1:32:57] in 2025.
[1:33:00] So,
[1:33:00] what the sudden absorption of high density,
[1:33:02] provincial jail,
[1:33:03] reverse,
[1:33:04] this gains,
[1:33:06] and cause another spike
[1:33:07] in your congestion statistics.
[1:33:08] Hindi ba makakaano to?
[1:33:10] Baka mamaya,
[1:33:10] nag-improve na,
[1:33:11] from 612
[1:33:12] to 79 na lang.
[1:33:14] So,
[1:33:16] percent.
[1:33:17] So,
[1:33:17] won't this absorption
[1:33:19] cause another spike
[1:33:20] in your congestion statistics?
[1:33:23] Hindi kaya makadagdag ito?
[1:33:24] Thank you,
[1:33:26] Mr. Chair,
[1:33:27] Your Honor.
[1:33:27] After all, sir,
[1:33:28] our congestion rate
[1:33:29] is measured
[1:33:31] in individual
[1:33:32] jail facility.
[1:33:34] So,
[1:33:34] if the
[1:33:35] congestion rate,
[1:33:37] say for example,
[1:33:37] in one provincial jail
[1:33:39] is this high,
[1:33:42] even if it will be transferred
[1:33:43] to the BGMP,
[1:33:44] the congestion rate
[1:33:46] remains, sir.
[1:33:47] Unless,
[1:33:48] if the BGMP
[1:33:50] will be
[1:33:51] given the authority
[1:33:52] to transfer
[1:33:54] some of that PDL
[1:33:55] to other
[1:33:55] BGMP manned facility.
[1:33:58] Because,
[1:33:58] sir,
[1:33:59] in some...
[1:34:01] So,
[1:34:01] you plan to transfer
[1:34:03] the
[1:34:03] congested city jails,
[1:34:05] for example,
[1:34:06] to lesser congested,
[1:34:08] less crowded
[1:34:08] provincial facilities?
[1:34:09] Yes,
[1:34:10] Your Honor, sir.
[1:34:10] That's the idea.
[1:34:11] Because,
[1:34:11] in the BGMP,
[1:34:13] we are managing
[1:34:13] several
[1:34:14] city or municipal jails
[1:34:16] in one particular
[1:34:17] province.
[1:34:19] And,
[1:34:19] some of those
[1:34:20] jails
[1:34:20] are congested,
[1:34:22] some are not.
[1:34:22] So,
[1:34:23] we may
[1:34:23] transfer
[1:34:25] the congested,
[1:34:27] some PDL
[1:34:27] in a congested
[1:34:28] facility
[1:34:29] to not congested
[1:34:30] one.
[1:34:30] Okay.
[1:34:34] Next,
[1:34:35] we are looking
[1:34:35] at over 80
[1:34:36] provincial
[1:34:36] and sub-provincial
[1:34:38] jails.
[1:34:39] Nationwide,
[1:34:40] under
[1:34:40] my bill
[1:34:42] and others
[1:34:43] presented,
[1:34:43] the BGMP
[1:34:44] is expected
[1:34:44] to absorb
[1:34:45] all existing
[1:34:46] personnel.
[1:34:47] is the BGMP
[1:34:48] truly ready
[1:34:49] not just
[1:34:49] on paper
[1:34:50] but in terms
[1:34:51] of actual
[1:34:51] manpower
[1:34:52] and logistical
[1:34:52] capability
[1:34:53] to absorb
[1:34:54] these facilities
[1:34:55] and personnel
[1:34:56] within the
[1:34:58] three-year
[1:34:58] prescribed period,
[1:34:59] three-year lang
[1:35:00] yung transition
[1:35:00] period.
[1:35:01] So,
[1:35:02] without compromising
[1:35:03] your current
[1:35:04] operations,
[1:35:06] so,
[1:35:06] kaya ba
[1:35:07] natin yun
[1:35:07] i-absorb
[1:35:08] yung personnel,
[1:35:09] yung logistics,
[1:35:11] ng 80
[1:35:11] provincial
[1:35:12] and sub-provincial
[1:35:13] jails
[1:35:13] within three years?
[1:35:14] Yes,
[1:35:16] sir,
[1:35:16] your honor,
[1:35:16] because currently,
[1:35:18] sir,
[1:35:18] the BGMP
[1:35:20] has more
[1:35:22] than 26,000
[1:35:23] personnel
[1:35:24] nationwide
[1:35:25] and sanay
[1:35:27] naman,
[1:35:28] sir,
[1:35:28] ang BGMP
[1:35:28] na nag-multitask.
[1:35:32] So,
[1:35:32] if the
[1:35:33] provincial
[1:35:34] jails
[1:35:34] will be
[1:35:34] given to
[1:35:35] the BGMP,
[1:35:37] yung mga
[1:35:37] personnel
[1:35:38] namin,
[1:35:38] sir,
[1:35:38] maglilipat
[1:35:40] lang kami
[1:35:40] ng personnel
[1:35:41] sa
[1:35:41] provincial
[1:35:41] jails.
[1:35:45] Yes.
[1:35:46] And besides,
[1:35:47] sir,
[1:35:47] we are given
[1:35:48] by the
[1:35:48] DBM
[1:35:49] additional
[1:35:49] of 2,000
[1:35:50] jail officers
[1:35:51] every year.
[1:35:54] Mayroon po
[1:35:54] kaming
[1:35:54] additional
[1:35:55] na 2,000
[1:35:56] personnel
[1:35:56] every year.
[1:36:01] May,
[1:36:02] sa usapin
[1:36:03] ng integration
[1:36:04] policy,
[1:36:05] paano natin
[1:36:05] may kita
[1:36:06] ang magiging
[1:36:06] framework
[1:36:07] ng BGMP
[1:36:07] para sa
[1:36:08] integration
[1:36:09] facility
[1:36:09] readiness
[1:36:10] assessments,
[1:36:11] particularly
[1:36:12] yung structural
[1:36:13] integrity,
[1:36:13] fire safety,
[1:36:14] compliance
[1:36:15] to the
[1:36:15] national
[1:36:15] detention
[1:36:16] standards.
[1:36:17] So,
[1:36:18] yun po.
[1:36:19] Yes,
[1:36:19] sir,
[1:36:19] we have
[1:36:20] done it
[1:36:20] before.
[1:36:21] At present,
[1:36:22] sir,
[1:36:22] actually,
[1:36:23] we already
[1:36:23] have 11
[1:36:24] provincial
[1:36:25] governments
[1:36:26] that
[1:36:28] transferred
[1:36:29] the
[1:36:29] administration
[1:36:30] and
[1:36:30] supervision
[1:36:30] of their
[1:36:31] provincial
[1:36:31] JS to
[1:36:32] the BGMP.
[1:36:33] We have
[1:36:34] done it
[1:36:34] through
[1:36:34] execution
[1:36:36] of
[1:36:36] memorandum
[1:36:36] of
[1:36:37] agreement.
[1:36:38] However,
[1:36:38] sadly,
[1:36:39] in 2020,
[1:36:40] the DOJ
[1:36:41] found it
[1:36:42] ultra-virus
[1:36:43] and
[1:36:43] COA,
[1:36:45] nagkaroon
[1:36:46] po ng
[1:36:46] COA
[1:36:47] findings
[1:36:47] na
[1:36:47] pinababalik
[1:36:49] sa amin
[1:36:50] yung
[1:36:52] provincial
[1:36:53] JS
[1:36:53] sa respective
[1:36:54] provincial
[1:36:54] governors.
[1:36:55] However,
[1:36:56] ginawa naman
[1:36:56] po sa
[1:36:56] binabalik
[1:36:58] namin,
[1:36:58] pero ayaw na
[1:36:58] talagang
[1:36:59] tanggapin
[1:37:00] pabalik
[1:37:00] ng mga
[1:37:01] governors
[1:37:01] because
[1:37:02] iniwanan
[1:37:03] na nila,
[1:37:03] sir,
[1:37:03] at
[1:37:03] naniniwala
[1:37:04] sila
[1:37:04] na kami
[1:37:05] yung
[1:37:05] dapat
[1:37:06] talagang
[1:37:06] nagmamanage
[1:37:06] ng
[1:37:07] provincial
[1:37:07] jails.
[1:37:08] So,
[1:37:09] katulad,
[1:37:09] sir,
[1:37:09] nung ginawa
[1:37:09] namin
[1:37:10] through
[1:37:10] MOA,
[1:37:11] nagkaroon
[1:37:11] din,
[1:37:11] sir,
[1:37:11] ng
[1:37:12] three-year
[1:37:12] transition
[1:37:12] period
[1:37:13] during
[1:37:13] that
[1:37:13] time
[1:37:14] between
[1:37:14] the
[1:37:14] BGMP
[1:37:15] and
[1:37:15] the
[1:37:15] provincial
[1:37:16] governments.
[1:37:17] Yung
[1:37:17] kanila
[1:37:17] po mga
[1:37:18] personnel
[1:37:18] ay
[1:37:19] during
[1:37:20] the
[1:37:20] transition
[1:37:20] period
[1:37:21] naka-augment
[1:37:22] sir,
[1:37:22] sa
[1:37:23] BGMP
[1:37:23] sa pagbabantay
[1:37:24] ng
[1:37:24] provincial
[1:37:25] jails
[1:37:25] and
[1:37:26] yung
[1:37:26] mga
[1:37:26] qualified
[1:37:27] po
[1:37:27] na
[1:37:27] pasok
[1:37:28] sa
[1:37:28] qualification
[1:37:30] standards
[1:37:30] set
[1:37:31] by the
[1:37:31] Civil
[1:37:31] Service
[1:37:31] Commission
[1:37:32] were
[1:37:32] absorbed
[1:37:33] by
[1:37:33] the
[1:37:33] BGMP.
[1:37:34] In
[1:37:34] fact,
[1:37:34] marami
[1:37:34] po
[1:37:35] mga
[1:37:35] former
[1:37:35] provincial
[1:37:36] jail
[1:37:36] guards
[1:37:36] na
[1:37:42] the
[1:37:42] provincial
[1:37:43] governments
[1:37:44] are
[1:37:45] helping
[1:37:47] the
[1:37:47] BGMP
[1:37:48] through
[1:37:49] sila,
[1:37:50] sir,
[1:37:51] yung
[1:37:51] nag-ano
[1:37:51] sa
[1:37:51] MOOA,
[1:37:52] water
[1:37:54] bills,
[1:37:54] electricity
[1:37:55] bills,
[1:37:56] something like
[1:37:56] that.
[1:37:57] Nagpo-provide
[1:37:57] din, sir,
[1:37:57] sila ng
[1:37:58] mga
[1:37:58] gasoline
[1:37:59] allowance
[1:38:00] of supplies
[1:38:00] including
[1:38:01] yung
[1:38:02] ibang
[1:38:04] mga
[1:38:04] equipment
[1:38:05] nila
[1:38:05] like
[1:38:06] firearms
[1:38:06] and
[1:38:06] vehicles.
[1:38:07] So,
[1:38:08] pinapahirampo
[1:38:08] nila
[1:38:08] sa amin.
[1:38:09] Until
[1:38:09] such
[1:38:10] time
[1:38:10] na
[1:38:10] after
[1:38:10] three
[1:38:11] years,
[1:38:11] fully
[1:38:12] BGMP
[1:38:12] talaga
[1:38:13] yung
[1:38:13] nagmamanage.
[1:38:15] So,
[1:38:15] I think
[1:38:16] kung
[1:38:16] may
[1:38:17] papasay
[1:38:18] yung
[1:38:18] bill,
[1:38:18] sir,
[1:38:18] ganoon
[1:38:18] din,
[1:38:19] sir,
[1:38:19] yung
[1:38:19] scheme
[1:38:20] na
[1:38:20] mangyayari
[1:38:21] during
[1:38:22] the
[1:38:22] transition
[1:38:22] period.
[1:38:25] So,
[1:38:25] siguro,
[1:38:26] sa usapin
[1:38:27] ng
[1:38:27] facilities,
[1:38:29] most
[1:38:29] provincial
[1:38:30] jails,
[1:38:31] facilities
[1:38:32] are much
[1:38:33] older
[1:38:33] than
[1:38:34] those
[1:38:34] current
[1:38:35] facilities
[1:38:36] under
[1:38:37] the
[1:38:38] bureau,
[1:38:38] being
[1:38:38] managed
[1:38:39] by
[1:38:39] the
[1:38:39] bureau.
[1:38:40] So,
[1:38:40] based
[1:38:40] sa current
[1:38:41] facility
[1:38:41] development
[1:38:42] plan,
[1:38:43] meron
[1:38:43] na
[1:38:43] kayong
[1:38:43] initial
[1:38:43] audit
[1:38:44] dun
[1:38:45] sa
[1:38:46] provincial
[1:38:48] jails
[1:38:48] at
[1:38:49] current
[1:38:50] provision
[1:38:50] jails,
[1:38:52] kung
[1:38:52] halimbawa
[1:38:53] na
[1:38:53] i-absorb
[1:38:54] ng
[1:38:54] BGMP
[1:38:55] para
[1:38:55] ma-rehabilitate,
[1:38:56] so,
[1:38:57] meron ba tayong
[1:38:57] kinakailangan,
[1:38:58] of course,
[1:38:59] may bagong
[1:38:59] capital,
[1:39:00] may capital
[1:39:00] outlay
[1:39:01] dito,
[1:39:02] meron ba tayong
[1:39:03] audit
[1:39:03] dito,
[1:39:03] meron ba tayong
[1:39:04] initial
[1:39:08] audit
[1:39:09] para malaman
[1:39:09] natin
[1:39:10] kung ilan
[1:39:10] yung
[1:39:10] kailangan
[1:39:11] ayusin,
[1:39:11] magkano
[1:39:12] kaya
[1:39:12] kailangan,
[1:39:12] para
[1:39:13] mapagandaan
[1:39:13] natin
[1:39:13] just in
[1:39:14] case.
[1:39:15] Since I
[1:39:15] also
[1:39:15] handled
[1:39:16] the
[1:39:17] budget
[1:39:20] of
[1:39:20] the
[1:39:21] DILG,
[1:39:22] which
[1:39:22] includes
[1:39:22] the
[1:39:23] BJMP.
[1:39:31] I'm
[1:39:31] sorry,
[1:39:31] sir.
[1:39:31] Sir,
[1:39:31] we have
[1:39:32] an
[1:39:32] estimate
[1:39:32] of
[1:39:32] 4.5
[1:39:33] billion
[1:39:33] to
[1:39:34] cover
[1:39:35] the
[1:39:36] mandatory
[1:39:36] requirements
[1:39:37] para
[1:39:38] sa
[1:39:38] absorption
[1:39:39] ng
[1:39:39] mga
[1:39:39] provincial
[1:39:40] jails.
[1:39:41] 4.5
[1:39:41] billion?
[1:39:42] Yes,
[1:39:42] sir.
[1:39:42] So,
[1:39:43] for 80
[1:39:44] provinces
[1:39:44] na po
[1:39:44] yan?
[1:39:45] Yes,
[1:39:45] sir.
[1:39:47] For
[1:39:48] 60
[1:39:50] provinces
[1:39:50] because
[1:39:50] yung
[1:39:51] ibang
[1:39:51] mga
[1:39:52] provincial
[1:39:52] jails
[1:39:52] nasa
[1:39:53] amin
[1:39:53] na
[1:39:53] sir.
[1:39:55] So,
[1:39:55] 60
[1:39:55] na
[1:39:55] pala?
[1:39:56] Yes,
[1:39:56] sir.
[1:39:58] So,
[1:39:58] sa DBM,
[1:39:59] ma'am,
[1:40:00] siguro
[1:40:00] lasa po
[1:40:01] para makaano
[1:40:01] na kayo.
[1:40:02] Meron po tayong
[1:40:03] medium term
[1:40:04] fiscal
[1:40:05] estimates
[1:40:05] sa magiging
[1:40:06] dagdag
[1:40:06] na
[1:40:06] obligasyon
[1:40:07] ng
[1:40:07] national
[1:40:07] government
[1:40:08] post
[1:40:08] integration.
[1:40:10] Is there
[1:40:10] any
[1:40:11] medium
[1:40:12] term
[1:40:12] fiscal
[1:40:13] estimates
[1:40:13] with
[1:40:15] additional
[1:40:16] obligations?
[1:40:17] Yes,
[1:40:17] sir.
[1:40:17] We
[1:40:20] related
[1:40:20] the
[1:40:20] submission
[1:40:21] of
[1:40:21] the
[1:40:21] BGMP
[1:40:22] sir
[1:40:22] kasi
[1:40:22] sila
[1:40:23] po yung
[1:40:23] na
[1:40:25] compute
[1:40:26] ng
[1:40:26] budgetary
[1:40:27] requirements
[1:40:28] and
[1:40:29] what
[1:40:29] we
[1:40:29] have
[1:40:29] here
[1:40:30] is
[1:40:31] the
[1:40:31] submission
[1:40:31] as of
[1:40:34] January
[1:40:34] 2026
[1:40:35] amounting
[1:40:36] to
[1:40:36] 3.4
[1:40:37] billion.
[1:40:42] Thank
[1:40:42] you.
[1:40:43] Siguro
[1:40:44] you can
[1:40:44] ask
[1:40:44] DILG.
[1:40:51] We
[1:40:52] have
[1:40:53] training
[1:40:53] institutes
[1:40:53] is there
[1:40:56] a
[1:40:56] modular
[1:40:57] certification
[1:40:57] pathways
[1:40:58] na
[1:40:58] pwedeng
[1:40:58] itake
[1:40:59] ng
[1:40:59] mga
[1:40:59] personnel
[1:41:00] habang
[1:41:01] nasa
[1:41:01] servisyo
[1:41:02] pa sila?
[1:41:04] Training
[1:41:06] po.
[1:41:08] Meron po
[1:41:09] yan
[1:41:09] sa
[1:41:09] mandatory
[1:41:12] training
[1:41:13] and
[1:41:14] special
[1:41:14] courses
[1:41:16] under
[1:41:17] Philippine
[1:41:18] Public
[1:41:18] Safety
[1:41:19] College.
[1:41:19] Thank
[1:41:21] you.
[1:41:22] Siguro
[1:41:22] before
[1:41:22] we
[1:41:23] end
[1:41:23] this
[1:41:24] just
[1:41:25] like
[1:41:25] to
[1:41:25] ask
[1:41:26] yung
[1:41:26] feedback
[1:41:26] sa
[1:41:27] League
[1:41:28] of
[1:41:28] Provinces
[1:41:28] ma'am
[1:41:29] if
[1:41:29] you
[1:41:29] can
[1:41:29] help
[1:41:31] us
[1:41:31] doon
[1:41:32] po
[1:41:32] sa
[1:41:32] we
[1:41:34] wrote
[1:41:34] the
[1:41:34] letter
[1:41:34] to
[1:41:35] the
[1:41:35] different
[1:41:35] provinces
[1:41:36] yung
[1:41:36] mga
[1:41:36] positions
[1:41:37] nila
[1:41:37] so
[1:41:37] that
[1:41:38] we
[1:41:38] will
[1:41:39] always
[1:41:39] take
[1:41:39] into
[1:41:39] consideration
[1:41:40] and
[1:41:40] respect
[1:41:41] of
[1:41:41] course
[1:41:41] the
[1:41:42] local
[1:41:42] government
[1:41:43] unit
[1:41:43] lalo
[1:41:43] na
[1:41:43] po
[1:41:44] mga
[1:41:44] pinja
[1:41:44] so
[1:41:45] that
[1:41:46] hindi
[1:41:46] naman
[1:41:46] pwedeng
[1:41:46] sabihin
[1:41:47] na
[1:41:47] hindi
[1:41:47] sila
[1:41:47] kinonsulta
[1:41:48] because
[1:41:49] we
[1:41:49] wrote
[1:41:49] them
[1:41:50] all
[1:41:50] the
[1:41:50] letter
[1:41:50] the
[1:41:50] committee
[1:41:51] sent
[1:41:51] letters
[1:41:52] for
[1:41:52] the
[1:41:52] position
[1:41:53] so
[1:41:53] meron
[1:41:54] mga
[1:41:54] ilan
[1:41:54] nag
[1:41:54] respond
[1:41:54] meron
[1:41:55] meron
[1:41:55] inaantay
[1:41:56] pa
[1:41:56] so
[1:41:57] meron
[1:41:57] namang
[1:41:58] ano
[1:41:58] as
[1:41:58] she said
[1:41:59] wala
[1:41:59] ho
[1:41:59] kayong
[1:41:59] idea
[1:42:01] but
[1:42:01] we
[1:42:01] would
[1:42:01] want
[1:42:02] to
[1:42:02] get
[1:42:02] those
[1:42:03] in
[1:42:03] favor
[1:42:03] and
[1:42:04] those
[1:42:04] who
[1:42:04] are
[1:42:04] not
[1:42:05] so
[1:42:05] probably
[1:42:05] we
[1:42:06] can
[1:42:09] discuss
[1:42:10] it
[1:42:10] with
[1:42:11] them
[1:42:11] siguro
[1:42:12] yung
[1:42:12] BJMP
[1:42:13] can
[1:42:13] explain
[1:42:14] we
[1:42:17] just
[1:42:18] want
[1:42:18] to
[1:42:18] make
[1:42:18] sure
[1:42:18] that
[1:42:18] everyone
[1:42:19] is
[1:42:19] all
[1:42:20] the
[1:42:20] stakeholders
[1:42:20] especially
[1:42:21] provincia
[1:42:21] ito
[1:42:22] it's
[1:42:23] very
[1:42:23] important
[1:42:23] yung
[1:42:23] positions
[1:42:24] of
[1:42:24] provinces
[1:42:25] okay
[1:42:26] sige
[1:42:27] po
[1:42:27] mr.
[1:42:27] chair
[1:42:27] we
[1:42:28] will
[1:42:28] help
[1:42:28] you
[1:42:28] on
[1:42:28] this
[1:42:29] po
[1:42:29] yes
[1:42:32] since
[1:42:33] there
[1:42:33] are
[1:42:33] no more
[1:42:33] matters
[1:42:34] to
[1:42:34] discuss
[1:42:35] unless
[1:42:36] anybody
[1:42:36] would
[1:42:36] want
[1:42:36] to
[1:42:37] add
[1:42:38] anything
[1:42:38] kung
[1:42:39] wala
[1:42:39] na
[1:42:39] po
[1:42:39] ay
[1:42:40] nagpapasalamat
[1:42:42] to
[1:42:43] committee
[1:42:43] on
[1:42:43] the
[1:42:43] public
[1:42:44] order
[1:42:44] and
[1:42:44] safety
[1:42:45] sa
[1:42:45] inyo
[1:42:45] pong
[1:42:45] aktibong
[1:42:46] pakikilahok
[1:42:47] sa
[1:42:47] mga
[1:42:48] tinalakay
[1:42:50] na
[1:42:50] mga
[1:42:50] panukalan
[1:42:52] batas
[1:42:52] sa
[1:42:53] umagang
[1:42:54] ito
[1:42:54] so
[1:42:54] we
[1:42:55] join
[1:42:55] everyone
[1:42:56] to
[1:42:56] submit
[1:42:56] their
[1:42:56] respective
[1:42:57] position
[1:42:57] papers
[1:42:58] to
[1:42:58] the
[1:42:59] committee
[1:42:59] for
[1:43:00] further
[1:43:00] inputs
[1:43:01] to the
[1:43:01] committee
[1:43:02] for the
[1:43:02] enhancement
[1:43:02] of the
[1:43:03] proposed
[1:43:03] legislation
[1:43:04] so
[1:43:05] with
[1:43:05] that
[1:43:05] there
[1:43:06] being
[1:43:06] other
[1:43:06] questions
[1:43:07] this
[1:43:07] hereby
[1:43:07] adjourn
[1:43:09] thank
[1:43:11] you
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