House prosecution panel holds briefing on VP Sara Duterte impeachment pre-trial — June 25

[0:00] BIR box. [0:03] Nakakalungkot po ito [0:05] sapagkat doon sa House of Representatives, [0:08] we decided not to open [0:09] kahit alam namin karapatan ng taong bayan, [0:13] malaman na kung anong nilalaman nun. [0:15] We decided not to open [0:17] because we believe in the power of the impeachment court. [0:23] E pagdating ho pala namin dito sa impeachment court, [0:27] mahihirapan pa rin kami [0:28] sa pagbubukas ng BIR box. [0:32] So we will be looking forward [0:33] na sana itong BIR box na ito ay [0:37] mabuksan na [0:38] sapagkat karapatan ho [0:40] ng isang bayan ng Pilipino [0:42] na malaman at makita [0:44] ang nilalaman nito. [0:46] Maraming salamat po. [0:47] You can raise questions to my colleagues. [0:50] So regarding po sa BIR box, [1:03] safe to say no that [1:04] the decision on this [1:06] mangyayari na mismo sa trial proper [1:08] sa mismong pagliritis. [1:09] They've already decided that either. [1:33] And then, [1:34] Karina po, [1:34] I'd just like to seek comment [1:35] and then perhaps from the lead prosecutor. [1:38] Earlier, [1:39] the defense spokesperson, [1:41] Attorney Michael Poe, [1:42] said that [1:43] regarding the appearance [1:44] of Vice President Duterte [1:45] on the impeachment trial, [1:47] he said that [1:48] depende daw po yun [1:49] kung kakailanganin, [1:50] depende sa advice nila [1:51] bilang mga abugato [1:52] kung kailangan [1:53] na mag-appear si B.P. Sara [1:56] doon sa mangyayaring pagliritis. [1:58] Sa inyo po ba, [1:58] kailangan po bang [1:59] nandun si B.P. Sara? [2:00] I understand that [2:02] that is her prerogative, [2:05] whether to appear or not. [2:07] And her non-appearance [2:08] will simply be deemed [2:10] as an entry of [2:11] a plea of not guilty. [2:14] Nevertheless, [2:15] in my personal opinion, [2:17] appearance [2:18] must be accountable [2:52] to the people [2:53] at all times. [2:55] Good evening po. [3:00] I'm Jairo Boleta [3:01] from Rappler. [3:02] Just a procedural question. [3:03] If ever the impeachment court [3:04] decides to open the box, [3:06] will they open the box [3:07] like sila po mismo [3:08] or will they subpoena [3:10] the B.I.R. itself [3:11] to open the box [3:12] according to [3:13] tax code po ba [3:15] or ano po bang [3:15] implementing rules na? [3:16] Thank you po. [3:17] For the record, [3:18] yun pong box na yun [3:20] ay trinransmit ng House [3:22] dito sa Senate [3:23] when we transmitted [3:25] the Articles of Impeachment. [3:26] So it is in the custody [3:29] of the Senate. [3:32] So I don't know [3:33] to your question [3:33] whether mga ngailangan [3:35] pa ba sila ng Sabpina [3:36] when in fact [3:37] the sealed B.I.R. box [3:40] is already in the custody [3:41] of the Senate. [3:44] Good evening po. [3:45] Ang ilo po pang bambaradyo. [3:46] Kung despite na hindi po [3:48] nabuksan itong B.I.R. box, [3:50] masasabi niyo pa rin po ba [3:51] na pumabor sa inyo [3:53] itong pre-trial? [3:55] Definitely. [3:57] Sa pagkat ever since [3:58] our objective [3:58] is to finish expeditiously. [4:01] No? [4:01] That is why [4:02] during the first BTC [4:04] madaming nire-raise [4:05] yung defense [4:06] which clearly [4:07] are not within [4:08] the purview [4:09] of the [4:11] pre-trial conference. [4:14] We opted [4:14] not to engage [4:15] with the defense [4:17] with respect [4:18] to the issues [4:18] which are being raised [4:19] like the determination [4:20] of two-thirds threshold. [4:23] No? [4:23] The allegation [4:24] that we did not [4:25] transmit all the exhibits [4:27] and documents [4:27] to the respondent. [4:28] it was a clear [4:30] position [4:30] not to engage [4:32] with those issues [4:33] because our objective [4:35] ever since [4:36] is to finish [4:37] this pre-trial conference [4:39] expeditiously. [4:40] And that is why [4:41] we would like [4:42] to express our thanks [4:43] to the impeachment court [4:44] because the goal [4:45] was achieved [4:46] because just today [4:48] the pre-trial conference [4:50] has been terminated. [4:51] Kung isa na lang po [4:54] aside po sa [4:55] napakadaming documents [4:56] ano pa po yung [4:57] ibang [4:58] nakikita nyo [5:00] na pinakamalaking [5:00] hamon kung bakit [5:01] tumagal po itong [5:02] pre-trial? [5:08] Well, unang-una [5:09] kagaya ng binanggit [5:10] kanina ni [5:11] Chair Jinky [5:12] dun sa marking [5:14] of evidence [5:15] sa isang dokumento [5:16] po pwede naman po [5:17] na both [5:18] yung prosecution [5:19] at saka yung defense [5:20] sa isang dokumento [5:22] pwede magmarkahan [5:23] na parehas dyan [5:23] para maka [5:25] safe tayo [5:25] ng oras. [5:26] Pero [5:27] pinilit pa rin po nila [5:28] na magmarka sila [5:30] ng sarili lang dokumento [5:31] samantalang [5:32] parehas lang naman [5:33] ang nilalaman [5:34] at content [5:36] netong dalawang dokumento. [5:38] So, [5:38] kagaya na kanyang [5:39] binabanggit [5:39] kung halimbawa [5:40] yung pagmamarka [5:41] ng isang dokumento [5:42] tumatagal na lima minuto [5:44] na dodoble. [5:45] Kasi bukod sa pagmamarka [5:46] pipirmahampato [5:47] ng mga [5:48] both [5:50] ng prosecution [5:51] ng defense [5:52] at saka ng mga [5:53] doon sa impeachment court. [5:56] So, [5:57] dumadami at [5:58] kumahaba [5:59] yung proseso [6:00] na dodoble. [6:01] Pero kung sabi po [6:02] ni Attorney Powa [6:03] kahapon, [6:03] may incident po daw [6:05] sa markings na [6:06] nagkulang po daw [6:07] yung document nyo [6:09] ng isang page. [6:11] Isolated lang po yun. [6:12] Hindi naman po [6:12] sa lahat [6:13] ng pagkakataon. [6:14] Nangyayari naman po yun. [6:17] Dagdagang ko lang [6:18] yung sinabi ni Kong Joel. [6:19] For DEPs, [6:22] Document Evidencing Payment [6:23] for OVP and DepEd, [6:25] we're talking about [6:26] 1,900 plus [6:28] for DepEd [6:29] and 2,000 plus [6:30] for OVP. [6:32] 4,000 in total. [6:34] So, [6:35] mamarkahan niya [6:36] ng prosecution [6:36] individually. [6:39] And then, [6:39] because they refuse [6:40] to agree [6:41] that we mark [6:42] in the same document, [6:44] then they have [6:45] to mark as well [6:45] those 4,000 exhibits [6:47] which likewise [6:48] form part [6:49] of their documents. [6:52] 8,000 in total [6:53] ang DEPs. [6:58] Kung Mary Monreyes po [6:59] from One News, [7:00] makikitanong lang din po sana. [7:02] Di ba po [7:03] part ng pre-trial [7:04] brief po ng prosec [7:05] yung box? [7:06] Tama po ba? [7:07] That's correct. [7:08] Okay po. [7:08] So, how does it work po? [7:10] Nabanggit niyo [7:10] dapat magpirmahan. [7:12] So, [7:13] since hindi [7:14] pumayag ang defense, [7:16] walang pirmahan [7:16] nangyayari po [7:17] tungkol doon sa box [7:18] to be marked? [7:20] Well, [7:20] wala namang [7:21] permahang [7:22] mangyayari, no? [7:23] Except that [7:24] they manifested [7:25] their intention [7:26] to file comment [7:28] which we interpreted [7:29] as objection [7:30] to our position [7:31] to open the box. [7:33] But your question [7:34] earlier [7:35] as to whether [7:35] that box [7:37] is part of [7:38] the pre-trial brief [7:39] and the manifestation, [7:41] yes, [7:41] they are part. [7:43] Not only the contents [7:44] but even [7:46] the sealed box [7:47] itself. [7:49] Pero hindi naman po [7:50] ibig sabihin na [7:50] hindi siya namarkahan. [7:51] For the record [7:52] lang din po [7:53] for soundbite, [7:54] hindi naman [7:54] porkit hindi siya [7:55] namarkahan ngayon [7:55] out of the [7:56] presentation na po siya. [7:58] It will be subject [7:59] to the judgment [8:00] prerogative of the [8:01] impeachment court. [8:02] But of course, [8:04] ito po'y karapatan [8:04] ng sambayan [8:05] ng Pilipino [8:06] na makita [8:08] na makita [8:08] kung anong [8:08] nilalaman [8:09] ng box. [8:10] Hindi po kami [8:11] naglakas [8:12] ng loob [8:12] sa house [8:13] because we [8:14] understand [8:15] that we are [8:15] not the [8:16] impeachment court [8:16] but we have [8:18] the highest regard [8:19] to the impeachment [8:20] court [8:20] na dito [8:21] makikita na [8:23] ng sambayan [8:24] ng Pilipino [8:24] ang laman [8:25] ng BIR [8:26] box. [8:27] But to our [8:27] surprise, [8:29] tinanggihang buksan [8:30] at tinanggihang [8:31] ding markahan [8:32] even [8:33] the sealed box. [8:40] Kung just a follow-up [8:41] question on the [8:42] BIR. [8:42] Ay, sorry po. [8:43] Sige po. [8:43] But can you ask [8:44] your follow-up [8:45] questions? [8:46] Ah, sige po. [8:47] Just a follow-up [8:47] question po. [8:48] Kung so on the [8:49] BIR, [8:50] if ever po [8:50] hypothetically [8:51] hindi po [8:52] umayon po [8:53] yung impeachment [8:54] court on the [8:55] prosecution's [8:56] favor, [8:56] halimbawa po [8:57] hypothetically, [8:58] would the [8:59] two articles [9:00] specifically on [9:01] the confidential [9:01] funds and [9:02] unexplained wealth [9:03] still stand [9:04] despite the [9:05] absence of [9:06] the BIR? [9:08] Thank you. [9:08] Malakas pa rin [9:09] ang aming [9:09] ebidensya [9:10] dito sa [9:11] unexplained wealth. [9:13] In fact, [9:14] ito ay [9:14] mas makakadagdag [9:17] lamang ng [9:17] linaw. [9:19] At, [9:20] well, [9:20] kagaya po [9:21] na binabanggit [9:21] kanina ni [9:22] Chair Jinky, [9:24] hindi naman [9:24] natin alam [9:25] kung ano [9:25] naman ito. [9:26] Pupwede naman [9:26] ito ay maging [9:27] dahilan [9:29] para [9:29] ma-justify nila [9:31] yung kanilang [9:32] ari-ariyan. [9:33] Pero, [9:34] kaya na [9:34] nakakalungkot po [9:35] kanina [9:36] dahil [9:36] ang [9:37] sekje [9:39] naman kanina [9:39] yung [9:40] tumatayong [9:40] clerk of [9:41] court [9:41] ng [9:42] Senate [9:43] ay hindi [9:43] naman [9:43] pupupwedeng [9:44] mag-desisyon. [9:45] Kaya po [9:46] ito ay [9:46] hindi [9:46] nadesisyonan [9:47] kanina. [9:48] Yung [9:50] umaasa kami [9:55] na [9:56] when we [9:56] file [9:56] that [9:57] manifestation [9:57] with [9:58] certain [9:58] proposals [9:59] that [9:59] includes [10:00] the [10:00] opening [10:00] of the [10:02] BIR [10:03] box [10:03] and [10:03] the [10:04] inventory [10:06] of the [10:07] contents [10:07] kasi [10:07] kailangan [10:08] malaman [10:08] na yung [10:09] laman [10:09] ng [10:09] BIR [10:11] box. [10:11] Umaasa [10:12] kami [10:12] na [10:12] walang [10:12] magiging [10:13] issue [10:13] doon. [10:13] Kasi [10:14] sila [10:14] mismo [10:15] doon din [10:15] sa [10:15] kanilang [10:16] pre-trial [10:17] brief [10:17] ay [10:18] meron din [10:18] silang [10:18] reserve [10:19] evidence [10:20] and [10:21] relating [10:22] to [10:22] BIR [10:23] submissions. [10:25] Katulad [10:25] sa [10:25] pre-trial [10:28] brief [10:28] na [10:28] sinabit [10:29] ng [10:29] prosecution [10:29] meron [10:30] doon [10:30] about [10:30] tax [10:31] records [10:31] and [10:32] reserve [10:32] documents [10:33] and [10:33] therefore [10:34] ganon [10:35] din [10:35] doon [10:36] sa [10:36] defense [10:37] meron [10:38] din [10:38] sila [10:38] ganon [10:39] na [10:39] plano [10:40] to [10:40] submit [10:41] BIR [10:41] submissions. [10:42] So [10:42] why [10:43] are [10:43] they [10:43] refusing [10:44] now [10:45] to [10:45] open [10:46] and [10:46] make [10:46] an [10:47] inventory [10:47] and [10:47] find [10:47] out [10:48] the [10:48] contents [10:48] of [10:49] that [10:49] BIR [10:51] box. [10:52] Sila [10:52] mismo [10:53] rin [10:53] may [10:53] ganong [10:53] reservation [10:54] may [10:54] reserve [10:55] evidence [10:56] din [10:56] sila [10:56] pertaining [10:57] to [10:57] BIR [10:58] submissions. [11:00] E [11:00] galing [11:01] nga [11:01] yun [11:01] sa [11:01] BIR [11:02] nung [11:02] binanggit [11:04] kanina [11:04] ni [11:04] Chair [11:04] Jinkie [11:05] ay [11:05] sinabit [11:06] yun [11:06] ng [11:06] BIR [11:07] Commissioner [11:07] doon [11:08] sa [11:08] Justice [11:10] Committee [11:10] na [11:11] tinansmit [11:11] naman [11:12] ng [11:12] Justice [11:12] Committee [11:13] dito [11:13] sa [11:14] Senado. [11:14] So [11:15] nandyan [11:15] na [11:15] and [11:16] karapatan [11:16] prerogative [11:17] ng [11:17] any [11:17] party [11:18] either [11:19] or [11:19] both [11:19] parties [11:19] na [11:20] magpamarka [11:21] ng [11:21] kaanuman [11:22] ang [11:22] intended [11:23] evidence [11:23] nila. [11:24] So yun [11:24] na hindi [11:24] namin [11:24] maintindihan [11:26] kung bakit [11:26] ginawa [11:27] pang issue [11:27] na hindi [11:28] na dapat [11:29] kunin [11:30] or [11:32] hingin [11:32] yung [11:33] permiso [11:34] ng [11:35] impeachment [11:36] court [11:36] kung [11:37] nag-agree [11:37] sana [11:38] both [11:39] parties [11:39] kung [11:40] nag-agree [11:40] yung [11:40] defense [11:41] na buksan [11:41] na talaga [11:42] at this [11:42] point [11:43] yung [11:43] BIR [11:43] box. [11:44] Saka [11:46] kung [11:46] wala [11:46] naman [11:47] punting [11:47] natago [11:48] buksan [11:48] na [11:48] natin [11:48] yung [11:49] box. [11:50] Kung [11:50] malinis [11:50] naman [11:50] po [11:51] yung [11:51] kanilang [11:51] consyensya [11:52] edi [11:53] labas [11:53] ang [11:53] ebidensya. [11:56] Follow [11:56] up [11:57] question [11:57] regarding [11:58] the [11:58] marking [11:59] of [11:59] the [11:59] box. [12:01] Basically [12:01] kaya [12:01] po [12:02] hindi [12:02] siya [12:02] namarkahan [12:03] kasi [12:03] may [12:03] objection [12:04] from [12:05] the [12:05] other [12:05] camp [12:06] or [12:06] is [12:06] it [12:06] because [12:07] it's [12:07] sealed [12:08] kaya [12:08] hindi [12:08] siya [12:09] mamark [12:09] as you [12:09] would [12:10] the [12:10] other [12:10] evidences? [12:11] Initially [12:12] what we [12:13] are [12:13] requesting [12:14] is [12:14] the [12:14] opening [12:15] so [12:16] that [12:16] after [12:16] the [12:17] opening [12:17] we [12:18] will [12:18] be [12:18] requesting [12:18] the [12:19] contents [12:19] the [12:20] documents [12:21] inside [12:21] to be [12:22] marked [12:22] but [12:23] since [12:24] they [12:24] opposed [12:24] the [12:24] opening [12:25] we [12:26] contained [12:26] with [12:27] just [12:28] marking [12:28] the [12:29] sealed [12:29] box. [12:30] Even [12:31] the [12:31] marking [12:31] of [12:31] the [12:32] sealed [12:32] box [12:32] was [12:33] opposed [12:33] by [12:33] the [12:34] defense. [12:34] Pero [12:37] how [12:37] would [12:38] it [12:39] work [12:39] po? [12:39] Kung [12:39] hindi [12:40] po [12:40] siya [12:40] ngayon [12:40] umusad? [12:42] And [12:43] that [12:43] is [12:43] why [12:43] we [12:44] registered [12:45] our [12:45] reservation [12:46] as [12:47] to [12:48] the [12:48] marking [12:48] of [12:49] the [12:49] box [12:50] including [12:50] its [12:51] contents [12:51] because [12:52] we [12:53] understand [12:53] that [12:54] there's [12:54] a [12:54] rule [12:55] that [12:56] all [12:56] the [12:56] evidence [12:56] must [12:57] be [12:57] pre-marked [12:58] during [12:58] PTC [12:59] otherwise [12:59] you [13:00] will [13:00] not [13:00] be [13:00] able [13:00] to [13:01] present [13:01] that [13:01] during [13:02] the [13:02] trial. [13:03] Nevertheless [13:03] the [13:04] records [13:05] will [13:05] show [13:05] that [13:06] we [13:07] really [13:07] tried [13:07] to [13:08] have [13:08] the [13:08] mark [13:08] the [13:09] contents [13:09] and [13:10] when [13:11] they [13:11] oppose [13:11] at [13:13] least [13:13] the [13:14] sealed [13:14] BIR [13:14] box. [13:15] Di ko [13:15] nga [13:15] maintindihan [13:16] eh. [13:17] Kayo [13:17] ba? [13:18] Ano [13:18] bang [13:18] nakakatakot [13:19] dun sa [13:19] selyadong [13:21] BIR [13:21] box [13:21] na [13:22] mamarkahan [13:22] lang [13:22] naman? [13:23] Di ba? [13:25] Kung [13:25] is it [13:25] anong [13:26] usual [13:26] case [13:26] po [13:26] na may [13:27] certain [13:27] documentary [13:28] evidence [13:28] na [13:29] hindi [13:29] na [13:29] pre-marked [13:30] or [13:30] dito [13:31] or dito [13:31] lang [13:31] po [13:31] sa [13:31] case [13:32] ng [13:32] BIR [13:33] green [13:33] box? [13:33] Dito [13:34] lang [13:35] kasi [13:35] eselyado [13:36] nga [13:36] yung [13:36] box. [13:37] If [13:37] you [13:37] will [13:37] remember [13:38] it [13:38] was [13:38] presented [13:39] during [13:39] the [13:39] justice [13:40] committee [13:40] pinagdibatehan [13:42] yan [13:42] ng [13:42] justice [13:42] members [13:43] I [13:44] think [13:44] pinagbotohan [13:45] pa [13:45] nga [13:45] at [13:46] ang [13:46] nanalo [13:46] wag [13:47] buksan [13:47] i-transmit [13:48] na lang [13:49] sa [13:49] senado. [13:50] Of [13:51] course [13:51] we [13:51] would [13:51] like [13:51] to [13:52] invoke [13:52] the [13:53] exclusive [13:53] power [13:54] of [13:54] the [13:54] senate [13:54] to [13:54] try [13:55] and [13:55] decide [13:56] all [13:56] impeachment [13:56] cases. [13:58] As a [13:58] trial [13:58] na [13:58] tayo [13:59] diba? [14:00] So [14:00] dapat [14:00] may [14:01] kapangyarihan [14:01] ng [14:02] impeachment [14:02] court [14:03] to [14:03] open [14:03] it. [14:04] And [14:05] we [14:05] do [14:05] not [14:05] understand [14:06] kung [14:06] bakit [14:07] ito [14:07] ay [14:08] hindi [14:08] bubuksan [14:09] karapatan [14:10] ng taong [14:11] bayan [14:11] malaman [14:12] ang [14:12] laman [14:13] ng [14:13] BIR [14:13] box. [14:15] We [14:15] will [14:15] entertain [14:16] one [14:16] last [14:17] question. [14:19] Yung [14:19] sakit [14:20] po [14:20] procedural [14:20] lang [14:21] po. [14:21] So [14:21] when [14:23] do [14:23] we [14:23] expect [14:24] the [14:24] order [14:25] and [14:25] then [14:26] di [14:26] pa [14:26] magre [14:26] respond [14:27] po [14:27] kayo [14:28] ano [14:28] po [14:29] yung [14:29] mga [14:29] babantayan [14:30] nyo [14:30] that [14:30] would [14:31] warrant [14:31] a [14:31] response [14:32] because [14:32] I [14:32] understand [14:32] pwede [14:33] rin [14:33] po [14:33] hindi [14:34] kayo [14:34] magre-respond [14:35] kung [14:35] wala [14:35] namang [14:35] dapat [14:36] sabihin. [14:37] The [14:37] defense [14:38] was [14:38] given [14:39] until [14:40] tomorrow [14:41] afternoon [14:42] to [14:42] file [14:42] their [14:43] comment [14:43] to [14:43] our [14:44] two [14:44] manifestations. [14:45] Yung [14:46] isa [14:47] is [14:47] our [14:48] request [14:48] to [14:48] specify [14:49] the [14:49] purpose [14:50] for [14:50] the [14:50] presentation [14:51] of [14:51] documents [14:53] and [14:53] witnesses [14:53] especially [14:54] those [14:54] nakagayan [14:55] sa [14:55] prosecution. [14:56] Second [14:57] is [14:58] their [14:58] comment [14:59] to [14:59] our [14:59] second [15:00] manifestation [15:00] that [15:01] is [15:02] with [15:02] respect [15:02] to [15:02] the [15:02] use [15:03] of [15:03] English [15:03] and [15:03] Filipino [15:04] as [15:04] official [15:05] language [15:05] for [15:05] the [15:05] trial, [15:06] the [15:07] participation [15:07] of [15:08] the [15:08] public [15:09] and [15:09] private [15:09] in [15:10] the [15:10] presentation [15:11] of [15:11] the [15:11] witness [15:12] and [15:12] ultimately [15:13] opening [15:15] of [15:15] the [15:15] PIR [15:16] box. [15:17] So [15:17] they [15:17] were [15:17] given [15:17] by [15:18] the [15:18] impeachment [15:18] court [15:19] until [15:19] tomorrow [15:20] afternoon [15:21] to [15:21] file [15:21] their [15:22] comments. [15:23] And [15:23] for [15:24] us [15:24] naman [15:25] naka-file [15:26] naman [15:26] yung [15:26] manifestation [15:26] namin [15:27] we [15:28] will [15:28] just [15:28] be [15:28] waiting [15:28] for [15:29] the [15:29] PTO [15:29] at [15:30] kung [15:30] may [15:30] concern [15:31] kami [15:31] on [15:31] the [15:32] contents [15:32] of [15:32] the [15:32] pre-trial [15:33] order [15:33] then [15:34] we [15:34] are [15:34] allowed [15:34] to [15:36] both [15:36] the [15:37] defense [15:37] and [15:37] the [15:38] prosecution. [15:40] Alright, [15:40] mga aming [15:41] salamat po [15:42] sa pagkakataong [15:43] binigay na ating [15:43] mga kapatid [15:44] the media [15:44] sa ating [15:45] prosecution [15:46] panel [15:46] para [15:47] ipaliwanag [15:48] yung mga [15:48] ilang [15:49] isukaw [15:49] ngayong [15:50] naganap [15:50] na [15:50] pre-trial [15:51] conference. [15:52] Muli po, [15:52] magandang [15:53] gabi, [15:53] maraming [15:53] salamat. [15:54] Pwede [15:55] nyo po [15:55] interviewin [15:55] si Jay.