House Hearing on Sara's SALN, Bank Records, Businesses & Ill-Gotten Wealth

[4:20] we are requesting everybody to settle down we will start in two minutes we are requesting [5:53] everyone to rise for the opening prayer to be led by the honorable mika gonzalez we are requesting [6:01] with everyone by the rise of the national anthem for the opening prayer to be led by the honorable [6:07] mika gonzalez this will be followed by the singing of the national anthem presence of our lord [6:13] in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit amen heavenly father [6:20] the son before you as to continue our solemn duty have a father deliberations before you [6:26] as to continue our song that's wisdom that is deliberations of this community [6:31] hearts that are discerning grant and minds that remain that is clear in the pursuit hearts that [6:36] are discerning and as we consider the impeachment complaint before us of truth and determine the [6:42] existence as we consider the impeachment guidance before fairness and determine the existence of [6:48] fidelity constitution guide us and the fairness integrity may we be free from bias personal [6:55] interest or influence and instead be free from bias in what is just and right or influence remind us [7:03] lord be our decisions carry great weight for people in our nation remind us oh lord [7:09] may our decisions may be instruments of accountability yet also prudence and humility we ask for guidance [7:21] upon all those involved in these proceedings today is april 22 2026 the hearing of the committee on [8:58] justice is hereby called to order may i solicit the motion to dispense with the calling of the roll [9:09] madam chair the honorable keith flores madam chair i move to dispense with the calling of the roll [9:14] there is a motion to dispense with the calling of the roll is there any second any objection [9:21] hearing none the motion is approved may i solicit the motion to dispense with the reading of the [9:28] minutes and for the approval of the same madam chair the honorable keith flores i move to dispense with [9:34] the reading of the minutes of the previous meeting and to approve there is a motion to dispense with the [9:40] reading of the reading of the minutes of the last hearing including the approval of the same do i hear [9:46] a second the same has been seconded is there any objection hearing none the motion is approved the [10:01] chair will address the committee magandang umaga sa ating lahat good morning good morning before anything [10:18] else it is important that we begin by looking back because the work we have today is anchored on what has [10:31] already been laid on record noong nakaraang pagdinig april 14 we begin by affirming our constitutional mandate our [10:47] exclusive power to initiate all cases of impeachment nasa atin ang unang galaw nasa atin ang direksyon at hawak [11:01] natin ang beat ngunit nabanggit din natin na malinaw ang limitasyon ng ating papel sa yugtong ito hindi pa ito [11:17] paghuhusga our task at this stage is simply to determine probable cause kung may sapat na batayan upang [11:32] magpatuloy as congressman benny abante stated sisilipin natin kung may usok dahil kung may usok tungkulin [11:47] nating hanapin kung nasaan ang sunog during our last hearing we formally recognized the complainants [12:01] father sabalia and his group and of course attorney cabrera all of them were present ready to face this [12:14] committee and stand by their complaints but there was one thing we could not ignore something [12:28] that was right in front of us the empty chair of the vice president wala po siya nitong nakaraan [12:42] habang nandito ang mga nagre-reklamo ang tanging humarap sa atin ay isang bakanting upuan and yet [12:55] with or without the presence of the vice president with or without her cooperation tuloy ang mandato ng [13:06] kumite at umusad nga ang ating pagdinig noong araw na iyon first we formally received sabina documents [13:23] all of which are now part of our record second we heard a statement of ramil madriaga who testified for the [13:37] very first time in a very first time in a public hearing through his supplemental affidavit we were [13:46] confronted with a staggering allegation that confidential funds were spent not just in 11 days but were [13:59] prepared purportedly disposed of within a mere 24 hours [14:06] hindi labing isang araw sa halip 24 oras [14:16] milyones na naubos sa loob lamang ng isang araw mabigat ang mga binitiwang salita ni ramil madriaga at [14:28] minsan pa siyang naiyak habang binabasa ang kanyang supplemental affidavit to back his words he signed a bank [14:42] waiver to prove that he has nothing to hide during one exchange congresswoman janet garin recalled the [14:55] formally controversy and could not hide her frustration upon hearing ramil madriaga's allegation [15:06] that the vice president's campaign may have been financed by formally an assertion that if proven [15:17] further deepens the seriousness of the issues now before this committee third and with the help of [15:29] congressman joel chua we have adopted the records from the committee on good government and public [15:38] accountability that testimonies of various resource persons regarding the envelopes and the questionable [15:49] receipts and other statements given in that legislative inquiry are now officially part of this impeachment [16:01] process fourth we heard from the nbi expert and their findings are very clear kinumpirma nila [16:14] na base sa kanilang pagsusuri several questions signatures were actually signed by one and the same person [16:28] this proves that there was a pattern and it raises even more questions about who was [16:39] really behind these documents magkakaibah ang mga pangalan ngunit iisa ang perma i will repeat magkakaibah [16:53] ang mga pangalan ngunit iisa ang perma fifth we heard from a representative of the psa who confirmed [17:06] that several personalities appearing in the records have no corresponding entries in official [17:16] civil registries kabilang dito ang kontrobersyal na pangalang mary grace piatos na batay sa kanilang [17:28] public education ay walang umiiral na psa record si mary grace piatos ay wala sa data [17:38] ng psa sixth we heard from attorney gloria camora of the koa who confirmed that the commission proper [17:50] has resolved the vice president's appeal on the notice of this allowance effectively affirming that this [18:00] allowance covering more than 73 million pesos she further disclosed that the koa has issued [18:11] issued three additional notices of this allowance indicating continued deficiencies in compliance [18:23] this developments lend significant weight to the financial irregularities under examination [18:34] as noted by congressman chel jocno and congressman antonio tino this effectively render the vice [18:44] president liable to return all these amounts 73 million pesos plus 375 million pesos to the national treasury [19:00] and when we heard all these resource persons the committee will note that while i disallowed certain probing [19:30] questions to ensure fairness i nonetheless permitted all inquiries that sought to clarify the truth [19:42] on that note the records will reflect that the arguments regarding the difference between credibility and [19:52] character as well as the confusion between page numbers and dates were stricken from the record [20:03] we have done this we have done this to maintain the integrity and order of this proceedings [20:10] sa kabuan what we saw was not a single piece of evidence but a body of evidence [20:23] hindi pa isa isa kundi magkakaugnay but after the hearing the story did not end [20:33] there sa katunayan doon pa lamang nagsimula ang mas malakas na ingay sa labas marami ang nagulantang [20:46] marami ang nagreact the hearing became the subject of headlines discussions statements particularly from the vice [21:01] president however it is worth noting that instead of addressing the core issues the focus shifted to a [21:14] peripheral matter ang academic performance umano ng vice presidente nung siya nag-aaral pa samantalang [21:26] ang mas mabibigat na usapin tungkol sa confidential funds sa mga dokumento sa mga transaksyon ay [21:40] nananatiling hindi direktang nasasagot kumbaga sa isan daang ebidensya isa lang ang pinupuntiriya let me be [21:55] clear this committee will not take anything at face value whether said inside this hall or outside of it [22:08] hindi tayo basta maniniwala sa ingay we will evaluate everything dahil ang katotohanan ay hindi matatagpuan [22:20] sa mga press release ito ay nakasandal sa mga dokumento at sa mga salaysay na sinumpaan [22:31] sa totoo lang nagos na nga tayo tila ginagas light pa tayo ang mas mahalagang tanong ay kung nasaan ang pera [22:46] ngunit ang sagot sa atin ay tungkol sagrado sa kolehyo and the worst part this explanation is not being [22:59] made here but everywhere else ang gusto natin ay testimonya sa inalim ng sumpa pero ang [23:10] ibinibigay sa atin press release at content sa social media again let us be clear hindi tayo basta maniniwala [23:25] we will evaluate everything madriagas testimony coa documents nbi findings psa [23:38] certifications lahat ng ito ay kailangang iharap dito suriin dito timbangin dito pero [23:53] dapat dito humarap ang kailangang humarap manumpa at magpaliwanag dito sa committing ito [24:05] because this is the proper forum hindi sapat ang magsalita sa labas if there's anything to clarify the [24:25] best and the only place to do that is here before this committee under oath and on record and that [24:39] brings us to today ngayong april 22 malinaw the work of this committee continues ang mga [24:53] isyong inilahad ay hindi natapos noong nakaraan today we expect further evidence from the office of the [25:04] ombudsman from the bureau of internal revenue from the securities and exchange commission and especially [25:13] from the anti-money laundering council we also anticipate testimonies that will help contextualize [25:23] the data before us and that includes from former senator sunny trilianes [25:30] kung mapapansin ninyo ang pag-uusapan natin ngayon mga numero salen tax records from bir reports from [25:46] amlc this is the part where the numbers have to be studied compared analyzed and numbers take note unlike [26:01] people numbers do not have motives numbers do not lie again numbers do not lie at dito po nagiging [26:19] mas mabigat ang usapan because when we speak of numbers we are no longer dealing with opinion spin [26:30] or even narrative we are confronting cold unyielding facts hindi ito napapakiusapan hindi ito natatakot hindi [26:46] ito napipilit magsinungaling a number either matches or it does not at higit sa lahat hindi po ito basta [27:02] sa numero lamang pera ito ng taong bayan pera ito ng manggagawang pilipino na araw-araw kumakayod ng [27:14] pamilyang nagtitipid para makabayad ng buwis ng bawat pilipinong umaasa na ang kanilang ambag ay napupunta [27:27] sa tama a peso is either accounted for or it is missing at kapag pinagsama sama ang [27:43] mga numerong ito mula sa salen bir amlc they begin to tell a story which no press conference can rewrite [28:00] no diversion can erase because numbers once laid bare speak with a clarity that cuts through noise [28:15] and when they point to a discrepancy they do not whisper they demand to be answered [28:24] kung ayaw magsalita ng tao kung ayaw humarap ng vicepresidente hayaan natin na ang [28:38] mga numero ang magkwento sa hiring na ito we shall therefore enter the territory of forensic truth [28:50] sa pamamagitan ng mga numerong ito malalaman natin ang tunay na pagkatao sa likod ng posisyon [29:03] siya ba ay tunay na public servant o isa pa lang private billionaire [29:10] at ang direksyon natin ngayon ay simple ngunit matibay we follow the evidence wherever it leads [29:23] hindi tayo magpapadala sa ingay hindi tayo lilihis sa proseso ang ating sandigan ay ang [29:32] konstitusyon at ang ating layunin ay ang katotohanan because in the end ang tanong ay hindi [29:42] kung sino ang pinakamalakas ang boses hindi kung sino ang pinakamaingay sa [29:50] labas kundi kung saan tayo itinuturo ng ebidensya as we see it now the chair right [30:04] before us it remains empty at tila sanay na po tayo sa tanawing iyan ngunit kahit [30:17] kahit bakante ang upo ang iyan even if that chair remains empty this room is full of the [30:27] people's questions napakaraming tanong mga tanong na sa kabila ng pag-iwas hindi mawawala [30:40] sa kabila ng pananahimik hindi maglalaho mga tanong na kailanman ay hindi kayang takasan [30:51] ng bakanting upuan not today not anymore let the evidence speak let the numbers testify let the chips [31:10] fall where they may be let us finally resume this hearing with that this committee shall proceed [31:21] Madam Chair the Honorable Chua the chair directs the committee secretary to call the case [31:37] thank you Madam chair impeachment complaints against the vice president Sarah C Duterte filed [31:45] by Reverend father Joel Sabalia et al and endorsed by representative Laila M. de Lima and filed by [31:52] attorney Nathaniel G. Cabrera and endorsed by representatives Bienvenido M. Abante Jr. and Francisco Paulo P. Ortega V. [32:01] let it be placed on the record that the committee secretary called the vice president [32:11] and it appears that the vice president is still not present in our hearing the chair likewise direct [32:21] the committee secretary to call the complainants at least to be acknowledged [32:28] the complainants in the Sabalia et al impeachment complaint [32:35] father Joel Tadena Sabalia [32:38] father Rogelio del Rosario and [32:44] sister Geraldine Denoga DC [32:48] Pinky Tam [32:50] father Joselito Sarabia CM [32:52] and pastor Leonardo Arevalo [32:56] and the councils for the complainants [32:59] attorney Amanda Virgil Ligutan [33:02] and attorney Stephen Magallion [33:04] the chair acknowledges the presence of [33:10] complainants in Sabalia et al complaint [33:13] the second impeachment complaint comsec please [33:19] for the Cabrera [33:25] for the Cabrera impeachment complaint [33:26] attorney Nathaniel G. Cabrera [33:29] complainant [33:32] may we know if attorney Cabrera is present [33:34] no one answered [33:38] let it be placed on the record [33:40] that while the Sabalia et al complainant are present [33:43] attorney Cabrera is not present in our hearing today [33:47] the chair likewise direct the committee secretary to call the resource person for today's hearing [33:56] thank you madam chair on behalf of the committee on justice we would like to acknowledge the presence of the following resource persons from the office of the ombudsman ombudsman [34:08] ombudsman Jesus Crispin C. Remulia assistant ombudsman Jose Dominic F. Clavano IV assistant ombudsman Luis Gonzaga S. Bonoan Jr. assistant ombudsman Armando S. Sanchez Jr. attorney Karen S. [34:24] attorney Karen S. [34:26] could we ask those called to acknowledge that they are present [34:32] we are requesting the resource persons to please rise as your names are called [34:36] we already saw the appearance and the acknowledgement of our colleague congressman ombudsman Arimulia thank you [34:44] for the succeeding resource persons [34:49] please rise as your names are called by the committee secretary [34:52] attorney Karen S. Batu OIC of the CRD [34:58] attorney Jeffrey L. Ravelo GIP03 [35:05] assistant ombudsman Eliseo DC Cruz [35:10] assistant ombudsman Margaret Andaman [35:14] from the Bureau of Internal Revenue [35:18] BIR commissioner attorney Charlito Martin R. Mendoza [35:22] deputy commissioner attorney Larry M. Barcelo [35:28] deputy commissioner attorney Marisa O. Cabreros [35:32] OIC regional director Narciso T. Laguerta [35:37] revenue district officer Trinidad A. Villamil [35:42] revenue district officer Jefferson B. Taboga [35:49] Mr. Charlie I. Esto [35:54] OIC revenue district officer Joseph B. Arguelles [36:00] revenue district officer Joseph Melchor D. Ebalia [36:06] OIC revenue district officer Ellen S. Tampus [36:15] Ms. Celia Rizalinda A. Mabanag [36:20] Ms. Anne Lorraine C. Garcia Marquez [36:23] attorney Rachel Caroline Villachon [36:28] Mr. Rupert Ambil [36:31] from the Securities and Exchange Commission [36:37] attorney Gerardo F. Del Rosario [36:41] attorney Romwald C. Padilla [36:44] assistant director Algin M. Lacanaria [36:48] from the Anti-Money Laundering Council [36:51] executive director attorney Ronel U. Buenaventura [36:55] attorney Anthony Lawrence M. Morales [36:59] attorney Arnold T. Cabanlit [37:02] attorney Erano A. Dumale [37:06] and former senator Antonio Sani F. Trillanes IV. [37:12] that's all you are except for the resource persons who have taken their oath [37:19] already during our last hearing in April on April 14 may we request the rest of the resource [37:27] persons to please rise so that the oath will be administered. [37:31] comsec please please raise your right hand you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth before this committee thank you for the organized presentation of our evidence and resource [37:51] persons the chair would like to announce the order of presentation of our resource persons the first will be the Ombudsman followed by the AMLC and then the BIR and then the SEC and last will be the Ombudsman followed by the AMLC and then the BIR and then the SEC and last will be [38:08] former senator Sani Trillanes we will be following the said order before we proceed to the presentation of our resource persons may we know from the comsec whether the documents submitted during the last hearing that is April 14 have been furnished to the vice president the complainants and all the justice members comsec your honor the documents received on April 14 from the Securities and Exchange Commission are [38:41] the commission on audit the commission on audit the commission on audit the bureau of internal revenue in so far as the transmittal only were received on April 14 and on April 16 we received from the commission on audit the decision decision number 2026171 dated April 10 the notice of this allowance and transmittal these were sent to all members of the of the committee on justice regular and ex officio and as well as to the respondent and counsel and complainant [39:13] counsel and complainants and counsel your honor as far as the submissions of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the commission and audit were concerned these were sent to the office of the vice president on April 15 5 56 p.m. and acknowledged by the central records unit of the same office it was also sent to the complainants [39:40] claimant sa bala at arthur attorney amando virgil li guthan on April 21 uh 316 p.m. and acknowledged on April 21 3 50 p.m. It was also sent to attorney Nathaniel Cabrera on April 21 2026 at 3 16 p.m. [39:59] For the April 16 submission of the Commission on Audit, it was sent to the Respondent Office of the Vice President and Fortuna Narvasa in Salazar on April 16 and acknowledged by the Central Records Unit of the Office of the Vice President on April 17, 1025 AM. [40:20] It was also sent to the Complainants, Sabalia, through Attorney Amanda Virgil Ligutan on April 16, 826 AM and acknowledged on April 21, 738 AM. [40:35] It was also sent to the Complainant, Attorney Nathaniel Cabrera on April 21 at 316 PM. [40:41] As far as the documents from the Bureau of Internal Revenue are concerned, the Transmittal only were sent to the Respondent and Counsel on April 21 at 1054 AM and to the Complainants on April 21, 1056 AM for the Sabalia et al. impeachment complaint and for the Complainant, Attorney Nathaniel G. Cabrera, it was sent on April 21, 1056 AM. [41:10] It's all your honor. [41:11] Thank you, Comsec. [41:17] We shall now commence the presentation of our resource persons, including the documents that they are, they will be submitting to this committee. [41:28] The floor is now open for clarificatory questions of the justice members. [41:33] Madam Chair. [41:34] The Honorable Suwa is recognized. [41:37] Thank you, Madam Chair. [41:38] Madam Chair, since nandito na po yung ating Ombudsman, base po sa imbitasyon ng Sabina na itong committee, pwede po ba akong mag-proceed para sa aking clarificatory questions? [41:52] You may proceed, Honorable Suwa. [41:54] Thank you, Madam Chair. [41:56] Mr. Ombudsman, kayo po ay naanyahan ngayong araw para makapagdala po ng SAL-EN ng ating Vice President, [42:06] base po sa aming, para po makatulong sa amin sa determination of probable cause sa SAL-EN violation or sa Ilgaten wealth. [42:21] Pwede po po bang matanong kung dala po ninyo yung SAL-EN ng ating Vice President? [42:25] May we direct the committee or secretary to receive the copy of the SAL-ENs which are being submitted by the Office of the Ombudsman [42:54] so that the same will form part of the records of our proceeding. [42:57] Ombudsman? [42:58] Bago po nagsimula ang ating pagdinig, ipinigay na po namin ang mga kopya ng Sabina, [43:06] ang mga kopya ng mga dokumentong hinihingi ng committee sa amin. [43:10] The committee notes that the Ombudsman already submitted ahead of the commencement of this proceeding. [43:18] Honorable Suwa? [43:20] Thank you, Madam Chair. [43:21] Madam Chair, gusto ko pong tanongin ang ating Ombudsman kasi base po dun sa paragraph 107 ng Sabalia Complaint, [43:32] ang ating pong Vice Presidente ay naging Vice Mayor ng Dabao noong taong 2007 hanggang 2010. [43:42] At siya rin po ay naging Alkalde ng Dabao mula 2010 hanggang 2013, 2016 hanggang 2019, at 2019 hanggang 2022. [43:55] But I notice, Madam Chair, ang naibigay lamang sa ating mga dokumento dito ay mula 2016 hanggang 2024. [44:06] Po pwede ko po bang malaman nasan po yung Salen noong taong 2007 hanggang 2015 noong ating pong Vice President ay Vice Mayor at Mayor ng Dabao? [44:20] Isang paglilinaw, kasama ko po dito ang aming opisyal ng Ombudsman, si Atty. Karen Batu ng Central Records Division upang sumagot po sa mga tanong na particular tungkol po sa mga dokumento. [44:41] Sapagkat hindi ko po nakakikita itong mga dokumentong ito sapagkat iba po ang aking ginagawa sa Office of the Ombudsman. [44:50] Maari po ipasad na po ang mikropono kay Atty. Karen Batu. [44:53] We recognize Attorney Batu. Please answer the question. [44:57] Good morning, Your Honor. Based po din sa submission namin earlier before the proceedings, kasama po sa sinabit namin yung 2007 to 2012 Salen ng ating Vice President. [45:11] May certification din po tayo na yung subpina po kasi is from 2007 to 2013, 2016 to 2022. So yung 2015 po hindi po kasama sa mga sinasagpina sa Office of the Ombudsman. [45:32] Ang kulang lang po sa mga sinabit namin. [45:35] Attorney Batu, if I may interrupt, kindly speak closer to the microphone. [45:40] Sorry po. Ulitin ko po, Your Honor, meron po kaming sinabit 2007 to 2012. Yung pong mga Salen na yun came from our area office from the Mindanao. [45:56] Kasi sila po yung repository or custodian ng Salen during the time na City Vice Mayor and Mayor po yung ating Vice President. [46:05] So we requested pa po. So kasama po yun ngayon sa sinabit namin. Nandun po yun sa submission namin before the proceedings. [46:12] Okay. Kasi meron lamang po ako dito is 2016 hanggang 2024. [46:24] Kasama po yun sa binigay po namin sa Comsec ngayon. [46:28] Okay. Anyway, with that, siguro magsisimula na lang akong magtanong from 2016 to 2024. [46:36] Dahil yun lang meron akong record dito at hindi po sa akin na ibigay ng... [46:42] If I may interrupt, Honorable Chua. [46:45] Comsec, please be directed to provide copy of the Salen submitted by the OMB to the justice members. [46:53] One minute, sis. [46:54] And later to the complainant and the respondent. [46:57] One thousand. Okay. May proceed now, Madam Chair? [47:21] May proceed. [47:23] Thank you, Madam Chair. [47:24] Madam Chair, gusto ko pong tanungin ang ating kagalang-galang na ombudsman. [47:31] Basi po dito sa Salen na isinumiti po ninyo dito sa komity. [47:39] Maaari nyo po bang i-confirm na yung Salen po ng ating Vice President noong taong 2007, [47:49] habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabao, ay may declared net worth na 7.250,497,000. [48:00] For the guidance of the justice members, the question is anchored on the 2016 Salen. [48:07] So... [48:08] 2007. [48:08] 2007. [48:09] Comsec kindly flashed the concern Salen for the guidance of the members. [48:14] 2007. Declared net worth. [48:23] Your Honor, I will just read the content noong 2007 Salen ng ating Vice President. [48:29] And it is stated here na ang kanyang net worth is 7,250,497,000. [48:36] Okay. So, kinukonfirm po ninyo. Tama po. [48:40] Yun po yung nakalagay dito sa Salen niya. [48:41] Thank you po. [48:42] And we flashed the amount of net worth there. [48:50] 7,250,000. [48:54] Alright. [48:55] So, dito po sa 7,250,000 sa kanyang pong Salen, magkano po yung kanyang diniklara na cash at saka cash deposit? [49:04] Again, reading from the Salen and submitted by the Vice President, yung cash on hand and bank niya for the year, various years acquired, is 2,000,000. [49:24] 2,000,000. Okay. Thank you po. [49:27] So, dun po sa kanyang 2008, sabi po niya, ang declared net worth po ng ating Vice President at that time, Vice Mayor po siya noong 2008, is 18.493,616.65. [49:49] Tama po ba ito? Do you confirm this? [49:54] Your Honor, based on the 2008 submitted Salen, the net worth of the Vice President then is 18,493,616.65. [50:06] Okay. At magkakana man po ang diniklara niyang cash at cash deposit po sa kanyang Salen noong 2008? [50:12] Ang declaration po niya dito sa kanyang 2008, Salen, is 2,000,000 din po, Your Honor. [50:24] 2,000,000 ng cash. Salamat po. [50:28] Punta po tayo sa kanyang Salen noong 2009, habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabao. [50:35] May declared net worth po siya na 18,821,264.65. Tama po ba? [50:50] Please flash 2009, Salen. [50:53] Your Honor, again, reading from the 2009 submitted Salen of the Vice President, ang kanyang net worth then is 18,281,264.65. [51:08] Ano po? 18,000,000? [51:14] 281,264.65. [51:18] At 281, sorry. Okay. At magkakana naman po ang kanyang diniklear na cash at cash deposit po dito? [51:26] Based on the submission of the Vice President, the cash on hand bank was 2,800,000 po. [51:39] 2,800,000. Maraming salamat po. [51:44] Dumako naman po tayo sa 2010 na Salen ng ating Vice President, habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabao. [51:52] Meron po dito na naka-declared na net worth na 16,242,886.65. [52:02] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [52:04] Your Honor, again, based on the submission of the 2010 Salen by the Vice President, her net worth then was 16,242,886.65. [52:15] Maraming salamat po. At magkakana naman po yung halaga na i-deniklarin niya na cash at cash deposit po sa kanyang Salen noong 2010 Salen. [52:27] Based on her submission, the cash on hand bank during the time was 3,661,622. [52:37] Alright, maraming salamat po. Dumako naman po tayo sa 2011 na Salen po ng ating Vice President, habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabao. [52:52] May declared net worth po siya na 14,271,148.45. [53:02] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [53:03] Your Honor, reading from the 2011 Salen submitted by the Vice President, her net worth then was declared as 14,271,148.46. [53:22] At magkano naman po ang halaga na diniklara po niyang cash at cash deposit sa kanya pong Salen noong 2011? [53:30] The declared cash on hand bank for the 2011 Salen was 3,931,125.80. [53:45] Okay. [53:47] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2012 na Salen, habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabao. [53:54] Mayroon po siya ditong declared net worth na 22,116,101.93. [54:03] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [54:06] Again, Your Honor, reading from the submitted 2012 Salen of the Vice President, her declared net worth was 22,116,101.93. [54:18] At magkano po yung kanyang diniklarang cash at cash deposit po sa nasabing taon, 2012? [54:27] Your Honor, yung declared cash on hand bank niya for the 2012 Salen was 4,320,532. [54:48] Okay, maraming salamat po. [54:50] Pumunta naman po tayo sa kanyang 2016 Salen, habang siya po ay alkalde po ng Dabao. [54:58] Dito po meron po siyang declared net worth nilang mag-asawa, 34,895,997. [55:10] Ito po ba'y kinukumpirma ninyo? [55:13] Again, Your Honor, reading from the submitted Salen, 2016 Salen by the Vice President, [55:20] ang nakalagay po dito na net worth niya is 34,895,997. [55:27] Maraming salamat po. At magkakano naman po yung kanyang diniklaran na cash at cash deposit sa kanyang 2016 Salen? [55:37] Dito po sa kanyang 2016 Salen, ang nakalagay po na cash on hand bank, 3,750,760. [55:49] Maraming salamat po. [55:51] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2017 Salen, habang siya po ay alkalde ng Dabao City. [55:59] Sabi po sa kanyang Salen, siya po ay nagdeklara ng 44,828,759. [56:09] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [56:11] Your Honor, reading from the submitted 2017 Salen of the Vice President, [56:16] her net worth din was 44,828,759. [56:21] Maraming salamat po. [56:22] At magkakano naman po yung kanyang declared cash at cash deposit doon taong 2017? [56:28] Based on her submission, Your Honor, the cash on hand and bank was declared to be 6,368,596. [56:41] Maraming salamat po. [56:43] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2018 Salen, habang siya po ay alkalde po ng Dabao City. [56:51] Tama po ba na ang declared network po nilang mag-asawa ay 49,699,728? [57:01] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [57:02] Your Honor, again, I'm reading from the 2018 Salen submission of the Vice President. [57:09] Ang kanyang pong declared net worth din was 49,699,728. [57:16] At magkakano naman po dyan yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit doon taong 2018? [57:24] Based on her submission, Your Honor, ang declared cash po niya was 3,795,000. [57:32] All right. [57:36] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2019 Salen, habang siya po ay alkalde po ng Dabao City. [57:43] Ang kanyang pong declared net worth nilang mag-asawa ay 55,613,051. [57:51] Tama po ba ito? [57:52] Do you confirm this? [57:53] Your Honor, I'm reading the 2019 Salen submitted by the Vice President and it is stated here that her net worth for then was 55,613,051 po. [58:09] At magkakano naman po yung kanyang cash at cash deposit noong taong 2019? [58:33] Your Honor, based po dito sa submission niya ng 2019 Salen, wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand. [58:40] Wala po? [58:41] Walang cash or cash deposit na diniklara? [58:45] 2019? [58:46] Tignan po ninyo na maigi. [59:03] Your Honor, after checking it again, wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand. [59:08] Wala pong cash on hand. [59:10] Dumako po tayo sa kanyang 2020 na Salen, habang siya po ay alkalde ng Dabao. [59:18] Mayroong po siyang diniklare na net worth nilang mag-asawa, 56,583,735.01. [59:29] Kinukonfirma po ba ninyo ito? [59:31] Your Honor, again, reading from the submitted 2020 Salen of the Vice President, [59:37] ang declared net worth po ninyo at the time was 56,583,735.01. [59:46] At magkakano naman po yung kanyang cash at cash deposit noong taong 2020? [1:00:01] Your Honor, based on this 2020 Salen, wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand or cash deposit. [1:00:09] Wala rin pong cash at cash deposit? [1:00:12] Yes, Your Honor. [1:00:13] Okay. Pakidobol check po ninyo. [1:00:17] Your Honor, after checking it, we can confirm na wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or deposit declared sa 2020 Salen of the Vice President. [1:00:49] Okay. Thank you pa. [1:00:51] Punta po tayo sa kanyang 2021 na Salen, habang siya po ay alkalde ng Dabao. [1:00:57] Ang kanya pong declared net worth nilang mag-asawa po dito ay 65,308,841. [1:01:06] Tama po ba? Kinukonfirma po ba ninyo ito? [1:01:08] Your Honor, again, I'm reading that the 2021 Salen submitted by the Vice President at ang declared net worth po niya was 65,308,841. [1:01:21] At magkakano naman po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit sa kanyang Salen noong 2021? [1:01:44] Your Honor, based on the 2021 submitted Salen of the Vice President, wala pong declared cash on hand or bank deposits. [1:01:53] So tatlong taong na po, nawala siyang declared, 19-20-21, tama po ba? [1:01:59] Based on the submitted Salen, Your Honor. [1:02:02] Okay. Thank you. [1:02:06] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2022 na Salen, habang siya po ay Vice President. [1:02:13] Ang kanya pong declared net worth nilang mag-asawa ay 71,058,841. [1:02:22] Tama po ba? Do you confirm this? [1:02:25] Your Honor, again, I'm reading the 2022 Salen submitted by the Vice President at ang kanyang declared net worth for that year was 71,058,841. [1:02:37] At magkakano po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2022? [1:02:58] Your Honor, based on the 2022 Salen submitted by the Vice President, wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand or bank deposits. [1:03:08] Pakisiguraduhin po ninyo, baka namang malikmatan lang po kayo. [1:03:12] Give us a few seconds, Your Honor. [1:03:13] Your Honor, based on our second look for this Salen, wala din po talaga nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposit. [1:03:43] Okay. So pupunta po tayo sa 2023. [1:03:46] Dito po, meron po sa kanyang Salen, meron po siyang declared net worth nilang mag-asawa, no? [1:03:55] 77,508,841. Do you confirm this? [1:04:04] Your Honor, based on the submitted 2023 Salen of the Vice President, [1:04:11] ang nakalagay po na net worth niya for that year was 77,508,841. [1:04:20] At magkakano naman po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2023? [1:04:44] Your Honor, based on the 2023 Salen submission by the Vice President, [1:04:49] wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposits declared. [1:04:55] So sa 2023, wala pa rin po? [1:04:57] Wala po, Your Honor. [1:04:58] Okay. So, puntao na pong po tayo sa kanyang declared Salen for the year 2024. [1:05:08] Ang sabi po dito, meron po siyang declared net worth na 88,512,370.22. [1:05:19] Tama po ba ito? [1:05:20] Your Honor, based on the 2024 Salen submitted by the Vice President, [1:05:26] the declared net worth then was 88,512,370.22. [1:05:37] At magkakano po yung kanyang cash deposit, declared cash at saka cash deposit noong taong 2024? [1:05:59] Your Honor, reading from the 2024 Salen of the Vice President, [1:06:04] wala pong nakadeclared na cash on hand or bank deposit for that year? [1:06:09] Wala pa rin po. [1:06:11] Yes, Your Honor. [1:06:13] So sa madaling salita, yung kanya pong cash na din-declare was only from 2007 up to 2018. [1:06:30] Tama po ba? [1:06:32] Based on our received copies of the Salen, Your Honor, [1:06:37] yun po yung lumalabas na years na meron po siyang declared cash on hand and bank deposits. [1:06:43] At noong 2019 at 2024, kahit na singko po, wala po siyang diniklara na cash at saka cash on hand. [1:06:52] Tama po ba? [1:06:53] Based on the submitted Salen, Your Honor, wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposits. [1:06:59] Kahit singko po? [1:07:04] Wala pong nakalagay, Your Honor. [1:07:07] Hindi, wow. Thank you po, Madam Chair. [1:07:12] Thank you, Honorable Shua. Any other member who wish to raise clarificatory questions? [1:07:22] To the Ombudsman. Any other member? [1:07:26] Madam Chair. [1:07:27] The Honorable Barbers is recognized. [1:07:31] Good morning, Honorable Ombudsman Rimulya. [1:07:38] Gusto ko po lamang humingi ng clarification sa inyong taggapan. [1:07:43] Based po sa Salen ng taong 2007, si VP Sara Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Atty. Manasis Carpio ay mayroon pong business interest and financial connection sa mga sumusunod. [1:08:04] One, Davao Emerging Taipan Corporation, Davao Bounty Times Food Corporation, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:08:19] Kino-confirman niyo ba ito? [1:08:24] Si Atty. Karen Bato po yung pwede sumagot. [1:08:27] Yes, alam. [1:08:28] Thank you. [1:08:28] Atty. [1:08:29] Atty. Bato is recognized. [1:08:30] Good morning, Your Honor. [1:08:32] Again, reading from the 2007- [1:08:34] May we interrupt, Atty. [1:08:36] Bato. [1:08:36] We just like to extend our thanks to Ombudsman Boying Rimulya for showing utmost respect to the impeachment process. [1:08:46] Thank you for being here. [1:08:48] He is soliciting our excuse because of huge amount of work he has to attend to. [1:08:54] So, with the indulgence of the members, we're excusing Ombudsman Boying Rimulya. [1:08:59] Maraming salamat po. [1:09:33] We did not suspend. [1:09:36] So, may we request Atty. Bato to address the questions of the Honorable Barbers. [1:09:43] Good morning, Your Honor. [1:09:44] Again, reading from the 2007 Salen submitted by the Vice President, the business interests and financial connections declared then was the Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, and City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:10:07] May we flash the concern, Salen. [1:10:10] What year is this, Honorable Barbers? [1:10:12] Now, 2008. [1:10:14] 2008. Okay. [1:10:17] Now, 2008. The focus is on the list of companies? [1:10:22] Yes. [1:10:22] Okay. [1:10:25] Based naman po sa Salen ng taong 2008, si VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Atty. Manes Carpio ay mayroong business interest and financial connections sa mga sumusunod. [1:10:39] One, Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation. [1:10:45] Two, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation. [1:10:49] Three, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:10:53] Kinukumpirman niyo ba ito? [1:10:54] Your Honor, reading from the 2008 submitted Salen of the Vice President, ang mga financial connections and business interests declared therein were Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, and City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:11:17] Salamat po. Based naman po sa Salen ng taong 2009, si VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawang si Atty. Manes Carpio ay mayroong business interest and financial connections sa mga sumusunod. [1:11:33] One, Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation. [1:11:36] Two, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation. [1:11:40] And three, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:11:44] Kinukumpirman niyo ba ito? [1:11:45] Your Honor, based on the 2009 submitted Salen of the Vice President, the declared business interests and financial connections were the following. [1:11:58] Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:12:05] Salamat po. [1:12:06] Based naman po sa Salen ng taong 2010, si VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawa si Atty. Manes Carpio ay mayroong business interest and financial connections sa mga sumusunod. [1:12:19] One, Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation. [1:12:24] Two, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation. [1:12:28] Three, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [1:12:32] Four, SGT Fortune House Corporation. [1:12:36] And number five, CYKT.inc. [1:12:40] Kinukumpirman niyo ba ito? [1:12:41] Your Honor, I'm reading from the 2010 submitted Salen of the Vice President and the declared business interests and financial connections for that year were the following. [1:12:52] Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation, SGT Fortune Horse Corporation, and CYKT Incorporated. [1:13:06] Salamat po. [1:13:38] Four, SGT Fortune House Corporation, five, CYKT.inc. [1:13:46] And number six, ZELTA Matiem Salon, number seven, 3Kids Inc. [1:13:56] Kinukumpirman niyo ba ito? [1:14:02] Based on the 2011 Salen submitted by the Vice President, Your Honor, the following were the declared business interests and financial connections. [1:14:14] Dabau Emerging Taipan Corporation, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation, SGT Fortune Horse Corporation, CYKT Incorporated, and CELTA Matiem Salon. [1:14:30] Salamat po. [1:14:32] Sa taong 2016, based naman sa Salen ni VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Atty.man Scarpio, ay mayroong business interests and financial connections sa mga sumusunod na negosyo. [1:14:47] Number one, Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, number two, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, three, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, four, Times Square B Foods Corporation, five, SGT Fortune House Corporation, six, [1:15:20] Dabau Bounty Inc., and number eight, ZELTA Matiem Salon. [1:15:26] Tama po ba? [1:15:27] Your Honor, Your Honor, I'm reading from the 2016 submitted Salen of the Vice President, and the declared business interests and financial connections for that year were the following. [1:15:40] Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, Times Square B Foods Corporation, SGT Fortune Horse Corporation, [1:15:54] CYKT Inc., 3Kids Inc., 3Kids Inc. Tracking Services, and ZELTA Matiem Salon. [1:16:04] Salamat po. [1:16:05] And base naman po sa Salen ng taong 2017, si VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Atty.man Scarpio, ay mayroon din hong business interests and financial connections sa mga sumusunod na kumpanya. [1:16:20] One, Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, two, Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, three, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, four, Times Square B Foods Corporation, five, CYKT Inc., and six, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:16:47] Tama po ba? [1:16:50] Your Honor, again, I'm reading from the 2017 Salen submitted by the Vice President. [1:16:57] Ito po yung kanyang mga declared business interests and financial connections. [1:17:02] Dabau New Royal Taipan Corp., Dabau Bounty Times Food Corporation, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, Times Square B Foods Corporation, [1:17:20] and four, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:17:49] Kinukumpirman niyo po ba ito? [1:17:51] Your Honor, base po dito sa sinumiting Salen ng ating Vice Presidente noong 2018, [1:18:00] ang kanyang mga diniklarang business interests and financial connections ay ang Dabau New Royal Taipan Corp., Metro City Chow Foods Corp., [1:18:08] Times Square B Foods Corp., Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:18:13] Salamat po. [1:18:15] Based naman po sa Salen ng taong 2019, si VP Duterte ay mayroong business interests and financial connections sa mga sumusunod na kumpanya, [1:18:25] One, Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, two, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, three, Times Square B Foods Corporation, and four, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:18:42] Ito po ba ito po ba ito po ba ito ay kinukumpirman niyo? [1:18:45] Your Honor, base on the 2019 submitted Salen of the Vice Presidente, here are the business interests and financial connections declared for that year. [1:18:54] Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, Times Square B Foods Corporation, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:19:05] Salamat po. [1:19:08] Punta naman po tayo sa taong 2020. [1:19:11] Si VP Duterte ay mayroong business interests and financial connections sa mga sumusunod na kumpanya, [1:19:17] One, Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, two, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, three, Times Square B Foods Corporation, and four, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:19:35] Your Honor, base on the 2020 submitted Salen of the Vice Presidente, the following are the declared business interests and financial connections. [1:19:44] Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:19:56] Dito naman po tayo sa Salen niya sa taong 2021. [1:20:01] Si VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawan na si Atty. Man Scarpio ay mayroon pong business interests and financial connections sa mga sumusunod na mga kumpanya, [1:20:13] One, Dabau New Royal Taipan Corporation. [1:20:16] Two, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. [1:20:21] Three, Times Square B Foods Corporation. [1:20:26] Four, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:20:32] Five, Carpio Duterte Lawyers. [1:20:35] Six, Kale 88 Foods Corporation. [1:20:43] Seven, Triple Eight Bistro. [1:20:46] And number eight, Mandaya Fisheries Inc. [1:20:49] May we just request for a confirmation. No need to read again. [1:20:53] Okay. [1:20:55] Okay, Your Honor, we can confirm from the submitted Salen of the Vice President for the 2021 [1:21:02] that those mentioned by the Honorable Congresswoman were the declared business interests and financial connections for the 2021. [1:21:11] Okay, salamat po. [1:21:13] Bale, waluhuyo na, no? [1:21:16] Based naman po sa salien ni VP Duterte noong taong 2022 at ng kanyang asawan na si Atty. Man Scarpio ay mayroon din pong business interests and financial connections silang mag-asawa sa mga sumusunod na kumpanya. [1:21:32] One, Davao New Royal Taipan Corporation. [1:21:38] Two, Metro City Chao Foods Corporation. [1:21:42] Three, Times Square B Foods Corporation. [1:21:46] Four, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:21:50] Five, Carpio Duterte Lawyers. [1:21:55] Six, Kale 88 Foods Corporation. [1:21:59] Seven, Triple Eight Bistro. [1:22:04] And number eight, Madayo Fisheries Inc. [1:22:07] Maliwalo po. [1:22:08] Your Honor, based on the 2022 Salen of the Vice President, we can confirm that those you mentioned were those business interests and financial connections declared therein. [1:22:21] Salamat po. [1:22:22] Sa taong 2023, sa salien ni VP Duterte at na kanyang asawang si Atty. Man Scarpio, may nakadeclare po ng mga business interests and financial connections sa mga sumusunod na mga negosyo. [1:22:38] One, Metro City Chao Foods Corporation. [1:22:44] Two, Davao New Royal Taipan Corporation. [1:22:48] Three, Times Square B Foods Corporation. [1:22:52] Four, Tapang at Malasakit Alliance for the Philippines Inc. [1:22:57] Five, Carpio Duterte Lawyers. [1:23:00] Six, Triple Eight Bistro. [1:23:03] Seven, Kale 88 Foods Corporation. [1:23:08] Number eight, Madayaw Fisheries Inc. [1:23:13] Number nine, Mati City Ice Plant and Gold Storage Inc. [1:23:22] Number ten, Amyanan Shores Inc. [1:23:26] And eleven, Geometry, Security and Investigation Agency Inc. [1:23:32] Your Honor, again, basing on the 2023 submitted salien of the Vice President, we can confirm that those you mentioned were the business interests and financial connections declared therein. [1:23:48] Salamat po. [1:23:49] Sa taon pong 2024, ang salien ni VP Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Atty. Manase Scarpio ay mayroon din pong business interest and financial connections sa mga sumusunod po na kumpanya. [1:24:08] One, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. [1:24:13] Two, Gencorp Industries Inc. [1:24:17] Three, Carpio Lawyers. [1:24:20] Four, Triple Eight Bistro. [1:24:23] Five, Kale 88 Foods Corporation. [1:24:28] Six, Madayaw Fisheries Corporation. [1:24:31] Seven, Mati City Ice Plant and Gold Storage Inc. [1:24:38] Eight, Amyanan Shores Inc. [1:24:41] Nine, Geometry, Security and Investigation Agency Inc. [1:24:47] And ten, Cable Toe 88 Shipping and Marine Services Inc. [1:24:52] Kinukopirman niyo po ba ito? [1:24:53] Your Honor, reading from the 2024 submitted salien of the Vice President, we can confirm that those ten business interests and financial connections that you have read were declared by the Vice President in her 2024 salien. [1:25:10] Salamat po. [1:25:11] So, tama po ba na base sa mga salien ni VP Duterte at ni Atty. Manase Scarpio ay kada taon ang mga business interests nila ay dumadami? [1:25:25] We cannot make any conclusion on the ano po. Basta kung ano lang po yung binasa ninyo, we can confirm na yun po yung nakalagay sa salien nila, Your Honor. [1:25:35] We know the answer of Attorney Batu. [1:25:38] Okay. Madam Chair, manifestation? [1:25:42] Yes, you may proceed. [1:25:43] Sana po ay merong maipakita sana sa atin kung ano ang importansya o reason ng pagdami ng mga interests sa mga negosyo ng mag-asawang Duterte Carpio. [1:25:56] So, like paglaki ng kanilang income, net worth at halaga ng kanilang yaman. [1:26:05] Anyway, that's all, Madam Chair. Thank you very much. [1:26:07] Thank you, Honorable Barbers. [1:26:09] Any other Justice Member who wish to raise questions to the Office of the Ombudsman? [1:26:19] Madam Chair, manifestation? [1:26:21] The Honorable Dilemma is recognized. [1:26:24] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:26:25] Observations on what I hear and what I saw on the screen and the presentation of those salens from 2006 to 2024. [1:26:34] The latest in the possession of the Ombudsman. Latest po yung 2024? [1:26:40] Yes, Your Honor. [1:26:41] So, wala pa po yung 2025? [1:26:43] We have not received the submission of the 2025 salens of the vice president. [1:26:48] So, the latest is 2024? [1:26:50] Yes, Your Honor. [1:26:50] Look, observation po. [1:26:52] Yung kanina, yung tungkol nga po, yung pag-sa-questioning po ni Honorable Joel Chua, [1:26:59] yung kapansin-pansin na mula 2019 to 2024, the respondent... [1:27:05] Honorable Dilemma, kindly speak closer to the microphone. [1:27:08] And may I share as well, the matrix prepared by the secretariat with respect to the information gathered from the salens of the respondent. [1:27:20] Kindly flash the matrix of the salens of VP Duterte. [1:27:23] This may help Honorable Dilemma in her clarificatory questions. [1:27:27] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:27:29] So, can we see it please, the matrix, on the first point of observation that I'm making? [1:27:35] Yung tungkol po doon sa wala na pong naipakita o wala na pong naideclare or re-report na cash in bank or cash on hand from 2019 to 2024. [1:27:51] Pero nung mga una, ay meron mga re-report na mga cash on hand or cash in bank. [1:28:00] So, maliho atang matrix yung nakalagay dyan. [1:28:03] Yung dapat po makita natin, yung matrix na pinapakita na wala na nga na mga re-report na cash on hand from, oh, from 2019. [1:28:18] Yes, it's there ho pala. [1:28:20] So, from 2019 to 2024, wala na pong cash on hand or cash in bank. [1:28:27] Para sa akin po, ang biglaan at tuloy-tuloy na pagkawala ng deklarasyon ng liquid assets. [1:28:36] Because cash on hand and cash in bank are liquid assets. [1:28:40] Sa kabila ng dati, meron naman na mga halaga ng mga cash on hand, cash in bank, [1:28:47] ay nagdudulot ng pagdududa sa kawastuhan at kabuuan ng subsequent sal-ends ni VP Sara. [1:28:53] Second point of observation, Madam Chair. [1:28:58] Dungkol naman po sa liabilities. [1:29:00] Nakita rin po natin na as to liabilities, VP Sara declared 6,954,454 in 2016. [1:29:14] Nandiyan ho ba yan yung liabilities? [1:29:17] 2016, 6,954,454. [1:29:22] At sa 2017 naman, liabilities of 6,313,188 in 2017. [1:29:32] And 6,119,113 in 2018. [1:29:39] At sa 2019 naman po, ay 3,460,790. [1:29:46] And 2,490,105,90 in 2020. [1:29:54] Kapansin-pansin po na mula 2021, tangin ang kanyang asawa na si Menezes Carpio. [1:30:03] Nagre-reflect ho ba yan dyan? [1:30:05] Natangin yung kanyang asawa na si Menezes Carpio ang may dineklarang mga liabilities at wala nang iniulat na utang o liability ni VP. [1:30:15] Mako-confirm ho ba yan? [1:30:19] Your Honor, I'm reading from the 2021 Salen submitted by the Vice President. [1:30:25] And it is stated there that the liabilities was a personal loan from various creditors po by Attorney Manasa Carpio. [1:30:35] Yes. How about on the part of VP Sarah herself? [1:30:38] Meron pa ho ba na mga riniport na liabilities in 2016, 2017, no, I'm sorry, beginning in 2021? [1:30:48] Meron ho ba riniport na liabilities? [1:30:50] Let me check your Honor with regard to the 2022 Salen of the Vice President. [1:31:04] Based on the submitted 2022 Salen of the Vice President, the liabilities stated or declared therein was a personal loan of Manasa Carpio. [1:31:20] That's all your Honor for the 2022? [1:31:21] Manasa Carpio. How about 2022? [1:31:24] So no VP, no Sarah Duterte. [1:31:26] For the 2023 Salen, Your Honor, based on the submitted Salen by the Vice President, the liabilities declared therein was a personal loan of Manasa Carpio, Your Honor. [1:31:42] Again, of Manasa Carpio and not Sarah Duterte. [1:31:46] 2024, please. [1:31:48] For the 2024 Salen, Your Honor, reading from the submission of the Vice President, the liabilities were declared to be loans of Manasa Carpio, only Your Honor, from various creditors and banks. [1:32:10] Again, only Manasa Carpio and not Sarah Duterte. [1:32:13] Observation with respect to this, for the record, Madam Chair, [1:32:17] Ang ganitong biglang pagbabago sa paraan ng pag-uulat ng liabilities ay lubhang kahinahinala at nararapat siya sa atin. [1:32:24] As it may indicate reclassification or possible circumvention of full disclosure requirements. [1:32:44] One last point of observation, pagdating naman po sa net worth. [1:32:50] Sa pinakita po kanina, we can again show po the matrix. [1:32:54] Please flash the matrix. [1:32:55] The respondents declared net worth increased from 34,895,997 in 2016 to 71,658,841 in 2022, the year she assumed the office of Vice President. [1:33:25] Sa loob lamang ng dalawang taon, ito ay lalo pang umakyat sa 88,512,370.22 noong 2024. [1:33:39] Observation po, ang ganitong mabilis at medyo malaking pagtaas ng yaman with the absence of declared liquid assets and the diminution or transfer of liabilities [1:33:51] ay nagbubunsod ng seryoso rin pagdududahin gil sa veracity, transparency and integrity of the Vice President's financial disclosures. [1:34:01] So those are my observations with respect to the salens. [1:34:06] Maraming salamat po. [1:34:07] The observations of the Honorable Dilima are noted by the committee. [1:34:10] Madam Chair. [1:34:11] The Honorable Keith Flores. [1:34:13] Madam Chair, I just have a few questions for the Ombudsman. [1:34:16] Madam Chair, every government employee is required to fill up a salen, correct? [1:34:24] Yes, Your Honor. [1:34:25] And in that salen, di ba, may sa bottom niyan, it's may waiver. [1:34:29] Every government employee in filling up a salen also executes a waiver. [1:34:35] Tama po ba? [1:34:36] Can we show the last page of the salen just for reference to the question of the Honorable Flores? [1:34:44] Please flash last page of salen. [1:34:57] Attorney Batu. [1:34:59] Your Honor, I'm reading the 2024 salen, the last page of which reads, [1:35:05] I hereby certify that these are true and correct statements of my assets, liabilities, net worth, business interests, and financial connections, [1:35:15] including those of my spouse and unmarried children below 18 years of age living in my household, [1:35:22] and that to the best of my knowledge, the above enumerated are names of my relatives in the government [1:35:27] within the fourth civil degree of consanguinity or affinity. [1:35:30] I hereby authorize the Ombudsman or his or her duly authorized representative to obtain and secure [1:35:37] from all appropriate government agencies, including the Bureau of Internal Revenue, [1:35:42] such documents that may show my assets, liabilities, net worth, business interests, and financial connections [1:35:49] to include those of my spouse and unmarried children below 18 years of age living with me in my household, [1:35:55] covering previous years to include the year I first assumed office in government. [1:36:00] So, yeah, yan nga. But that applies to all, di ba? All government employees. [1:36:05] Yes, Your Honor. [1:36:06] Sa standard siya in all salens na sinasubmit. [1:36:09] Yes, Your Honor. [1:36:10] Now, iyong second paragraph kasi it says na it authorizes the Ombudsman to conduct an investigation, [1:36:16] or something like that, no? Tama ba? [1:36:20] Or to look into? [1:36:22] To gather documents also? [1:36:24] So, yung second paragraph pa. [1:36:32] Based on this second paragraph, Your Honor, the Ombudsman can look into the, or can secure [1:36:42] from other government agencies yung mga documents pertaining to the salens. [1:36:48] And based on that, ano, that parang paragraph, in fact, it does not even require a complaint [1:36:55] to be filed for the Ombudsman to look into these things. [1:36:59] Yes, Your Honor, because it's included.