House Committee on Rules holds hearing on DHS funding

[0:00] it's okay okay [0:14] good afternoon the committee will come to order without objection the chair is authorized to [0:19] declare recess at any time today the rules committee is convening to consider the [0:25] further additional continuing appropriations act 2026. in the early morning early hours of [0:34] this morning the senate passed a swiss cheese like funding proposal for the department of [0:41] homeland security it is unwise and sorely deficient the senate's proposal is nothing [0:52] more than unconditional surrender masquerading as a solution and the house will not bend itself [1:00] into submission by acquiescing the senate's proposal operates on the mere hope that [1:10] foreign [1:10] can be used for every aspect of pay and resources for our nation's border protection going that [1:21] route will undercut all new important dollars provided by the working families tax cut act [1:28] to backfill current operational needs these points alone disqualify [1:35] any serious consideration by the house that won't fly with us we don't operate on [1:43] hope we operate on process deliberation and action under president trump we have secured [1:53] the border and we'll be damned if we go down the road of passing legislation [1:59] that undercuts the progress made by our republican majorities and the administration on that front [2:08] let's recollect just how dire the situation was at our border just over a year ago [2:16] during the biden administration cbcbp recorded more than 2 million gotaways that's almost double [2:28] what was tracked during the previous decade 388 illegal aliens whose names appear on the terror [2:41] watch list were apprehended crossing between ports of entry along the southwest coast of [2:49] northwest and northern borders during the biden administration up from just 14 between the years [3:00] 2017-2020 transnational gangs like ms-13 and trend de aragua infiltrated the united states [3:12] and rapidly exerting grow exerted growing control in u.s cities including a notorious takeover [3:20] in aurora colorado [3:23] now let's compare this record to the trump administration's record [3:28] october november and december of 2025 combined marked the lowest number of nationwide encounters [3:40] to start a fiscal year in recorded history over 76 percent lower than the encounters recorded [3:49] from october through december 2024 under the biden administration [3:55] border patrol apprehensions between ports of entry at the southwest border in december [4:04] decreased 86 percent compared to december fy 2025 and 97 compared to fy 2024 southwest border [4:17] apprehensions are down over 77 percent compared to president trump's first month in office uscbps [4:24] and the u.s government's first month in office [4:28] agents apprehended an average of 209 inadmissible aliens per day along the southwest border in [4:37] December, 96 percent lower than the daily average under the Biden administration. And let's not [4:45] forget about the serious reduction in fentanyl trafficking that has been achieved. In 2025, [4:53] fentanyl trafficking at the southern border was cut by 56 percent compared to the previous year. [5:02] President Trump's decision of allocating funds to TSA is a positive and decisive development. [5:12] I commend his strong display of leadership in doing so. His action allows us time to negotiate [5:20] legislation that will protect the border and fund the priorities that Republicans [5:25] and Democrats understand are paramount to the entire nation. Our position on this matter is as [5:35] simple as it is ironclad. We won't be force-fed a non-starter by the legislative body that sits [5:45] opposite of us. Our eight-week continuing resolution provides time for us to deliberate, [5:52] build consensus, and move forward with a solution that is not [5:59] soluble like what the Senate has offered up, all while ensuring our homeland defenders are paid. [6:07] I encourage our Democrat colleagues to join us in supporting this measure. With that, I now yield to [6:15] the ranking member for any comments that he wishes to make. I don't even know where to begin, Madam [6:21] Chair. Honest to God. And I don't even know, and I say this with respect, what you're talking about. [6:29] The bottom line is Republicans cannot govern. It is [6:33] crystal clear. You cannot govern. And in fact, the American people should be able to sue you for [6:40] malpractice. This is ridiculous that we're at this point right now. And I want to say to the American [6:46] people that if you woke up this morning not knowing who to blame for this shutdown, you will [6:52] go to bed tonight with no doubt on who to blame. It's House Republicans and Speaker Johnson. I mean, [6:59] what the hell are you guys doing? This is insane. [7:06] The Senate passed a bill last night by voice vote. Not a single Senator dissented. Senate Majority Leader, [7:15] Republican Senate Majority Thune, was on the floor when it passed by voice vote. He's one of you guys, because you [7:22] control the House, the Senate, and the White House. But the Senate bill that passed last night can pass the House [7:28] today with a large majority. I mean, according to reports last night, Trump was ready to sign the bill. Now he's wobbling and now he's saying [7:38] if he'll sign the bill let me just say about the president there's something severely wrong with [7:44] him and one of you needs to stage an intervention because not only to prevent the republicans from [7:52] more embarrassment but for the sake of our country you know if the senate bill were brought to the [7:58] floor that passed last night we could put an end right now to the unnecessary hardship that so many [8:06] federal workers are facing the uncertainty that they're facing not next week not in a month or 60 [8:14] days from now but right now if speaker johnson would just put it on the floor and i know a lot [8:23] of republicans would vote for it i had i've had a number of conversations with republicans on [8:27] the floor today who told me they would vote for it and i know many of you have as well and probably [8:33] many of you might vote for it as well but instead of doing the responsible thing [8:39] the obvious thing the obvious thing the speaker is cowardly bowing to a handful of extremist [8:46] wackos in the republican conference and by the way these wackos don't care about governing [8:53] they don't care about the people that they are hurting they only care about writing another [8:59] blank check for ice or passing a voter suppression bill before the november election or getting a [9:05] shout out on some batshit crazy right-wing podcast [9:10] to speaker mike johnson you are supposed to be the speaker of the whole house [9:17] you're not a member of trump's cabinet or the chairman of the house freedom caucus [9:23] you're not just the speaker of a small minority of crazy members [9:27] who throw a fit every time we're about to solve a problem you are supposed to be the speaker of [9:33] the whole house so act like it act like it and instead we are here with the latest gimmick from [9:43] the president that will ensure that the shutdown continues when we could enact a law today to end it [9:50] but this garbage cr bill is a non-starter that will do nothing to get us out of the situation [9:57] it's dead on arrival in the senate you already know that you all know that and the speaker knows [10:03] that and reportedly even many host republicans have called this plan stupid i followed the social [10:10] media uh that was going on while you were having your conference call and we heard at a number of [10:16] times your republican colleagues called this plan stupid and said that you're going to be blamed [10:21] and you are going to be blamed for this shutdown you know this is not complicated this is not [10:28] complicated speaker johnson needs to grow up he needs to grow a spine and he needs to be the [10:34] leader of this house put the senate bill on the floor let it let it pass with a large majority [10:41] of house votes and let's end this mess and that's what i hope we'll do but before i yield back [10:47] madam chair i i just have a question because i think it's important for the house to have a [10:48] vote because i think there's a lot of confusion right now about what the hell's going on here [10:53] um so i'd like to ask you um what are we doing here procedurally i mean i've heard rumors of [11:00] gaveling in and gaveling out so that we could vote on the rule tonight like we have some time machine [11:07] i've also heard that we may take the rule to the floor tomorrow morning can we get some [11:12] clarification on what the hell the plan is because every hour republicans drag this stunt out means [11:20] chaos more lines at the airport more federal workers not getting paid more americans getting [11:25] screwed over so what is the what is the game plan are we going to make are we going to adjourn and [11:29] make believe that in an hour on a different day are we coming are we going to vote on all this [11:33] stuff tomorrow mr mcgovern you've been around a long time and you know that there are [11:40] different roles for our different [11:44] people and our different committees to play the rules committee is here to pass a rule the [11:51] majority leader makes decisions on when to call bills up and when to call rules up so you'll have [11:59] to well you're you're a lot more patient rules chair than i was uh madam chair because to be [12:05] honest with you uh i mean if i were about to report a rule out i'd like to know am i going to [12:10] the floor today or am i going to go to the floor tomorrow are we going to the floor on monday and i [12:15] think there are a lot of members on both the house about the republican and democratic side we're [12:20] just trying to figure out like [12:22] do we cancel all of our late night flights tonight do we cancel our flights tomorrow i mean so you [12:27] have no idea when when we report this rule out when it might be brought to the floor i might have [12:35] an idea what could and and you're not allowed to inform is that a radical subversion help help us [12:43] here today with getting through this rule quickly and the quicker we get it done the quicker we'll [12:50] all know what's going to happen yeah well i i mean i i [12:55] i you know again if if anybody's watching what well i'd like to know that we'll be getting out [13:02] tonight look at i mean this is this is not a game and it's not a joke i mean people are getting [13:08] screwed over because of what you're doing here today um and the idea that we have no idea when [13:13] we might even bring this up i mean i i just i mean like that's some sort of subversive [13:17] like secret thing that you that no one's supposed to know american people are not [13:21] allowed to know when we might want to bring this to the floor i mean i i'm sorry that you find that [13:27] reasonable i mean i just think it's a common sense basic question that everybody i don't care [13:32] what your political persuasion may be should want to we should get an answer to um and we can't get [13:38] an answer to that well as i said help us get through this as quickly as possible and then [13:43] we'll all know what's going on well let me just say we we would have been helpful to get through [13:48] this all of this uh easily um if you just took what the senate did in a bipartisan way but you've [13:55] chosen to go down a partisan pathway because you want to [13:58] have a group of people who are on the right and you're the hell with the american people [14:02] so no forgive us we're not going to go quietly here we're going to fight we're going to fight [14:07] like hell i not i yield back my time thank you mr mcgovern without objection any prepared [14:16] statements that our witnesses may have will be included in the record and now welcome our first [14:22] panel chairman cole and ranking member delora from the committee on appropriations always happy to [14:29] see you good to see you madam chair [14:32] chairwoman for a full statement will be submitted for the record we ask you summarize your [14:36] statement in five minutes chairman cole i welcome your testimony thank you very much madam chair [14:41] chairwoman fox ranking member mcgovern members of the rules committee i appreciate the opportunity [14:46] to testify today come before you today on senate amendment to hr 7147 the further additional [14:54] continuing appropriations act of 2026. this is now the fourth time i've appeared before you in recent [15:01] Channell [15:27] Object [15:28] captioning [15:29] canon [15:30] 你看 [15:30] forward [15:31] green [15:31] auto [15:31] event [15:31] Senate, who wanted us to send over the final six bills as one package. [15:37] The House did its part, passed these six bills, and sent them to the Senate as one package. [15:43] Sadly, over the intervening weekend, Senator Schumer and Senate Democrats decided that [15:48] the deal that they had agreed to was no longer good enough. [15:52] They broke their word and reneged on the deal. [15:55] While they would pass the other five bills, as they had previously accepted, they would [16:00] now only support a short two-week CR for the Department of Homeland Security. [16:06] Predictably, the two-week CR came and went without Senate Democrats agreeing to a full-year [16:11] funding bill. [16:12] And so, beginning on Valentine's Day of this year, the Department of Homeland Security [16:17] entered a lapse in appropriations, or to use the term that everyone understands, a shutdown. [16:24] This of course followed a previous shutdown last fall, again instigated by Senate Democrats [16:30] as a consequence, as of tomorrow, the Department of Homeland Security has been shuttered by [16:36] Senate Democrats for 50% of the fiscal year, leaving DHS personnel and critical missions [16:43] in limbo, employees have been reporting to work without pay, and causing chaos at the [16:49] Department charged with protecting the homeland. [16:52] Indeed, in the last few weeks, we have witnessed the consequences of this decision. Many employees, [16:58] in mission critical roles, have been forced to leave the office of the Secretary of State. [16:59] Critical roles such as Transportation Security Administration agents, Secret Service agents, [17:05] and the brave service members of the United States Coast Guard have continued to work [17:10] without guaranteed pay and without full operational resources. [17:14] Airports across the country are feeling the brunt, with lines stretching outside the airport [17:19] to clear security. [17:22] Employees at the TSA are having to take radical action to make ends meet, such as donating [17:28] plasma, even as they continue to show up to work without pay. [17:33] By today, Senate Democrats will have denied over 80,000 American families more than $1 [17:38] billion in take-home pay. [17:41] These are people who are still showing up for their shifts. [17:44] The numbers are even higher when you include furloughed employees. [17:48] While the state of affairs was acceptable to Senate Democrats, who were reportedly, [17:53] quote, very serene with the shutdown, as one Democratic Senator said, [17:58] it was not acceptable to House Republicans. [18:01] And so we've now passed through the House, the final negotiated full-year Homeland Security [18:08] Funding Bill three different times. [18:10] And to be clear, what we passed each time is the same funding bill that Senate Democrats [18:16] agreed to before flip-flopping, the same agreed-upon funding levels, the same agreed-upon policy [18:23] changes, the needed funding for body cameras, for DHS law enforcement, the same agreed-upon [18:27] policy changes. [18:28] All of it. [18:30] Every last word was negotiated upon and agreed-upon between the parties before Senator Schumer [18:36] went back on his word. [18:38] In the middle of the night, with the smell of jet fumes in the air, the Senate passed [18:42] an amendment to H.R. 7147 and sent it back to the House, once again telling the House [18:49] to take it or leave it because the Senate was leaving town. [18:53] Madam Chair, we often hear from our constituents of how sick they are of bills [18:58] that are written and passed in the dead of night. [19:01] The Senate amendment that was sent to us early this morning is a case in point for why that [19:06] is so. [19:07] Instead of fulfilling the bicameral and bipartisan bargain that was struck months ago, the Senate [19:12] amendment instead stripped out all funding for the U.S. Border Patrol and for the U.S. [19:18] Immigration and Customs Enforcement, effectively defunding these two agencies. [19:23] If allowed to become law, this would prevent all border non-law enforcement personnel from [19:24] being able to get out of the country. [19:25] I'm not saying that the U.S. Department of Justice is going to be able to do that. [19:26] I'm saying that the U.S. Department of Justice is going to be able to do that. [19:27] I'm not saying that the U.S. Department of Justice is going to be able to do that. [19:28] The bill will require逐 leave all lumière and white-collar personnel and all ICE non-law [19:29] enforcement personnel from being paid, and it would defund day to day operations of both [19:35] agencies. [19:36] Madam Chair, this 부분이 unacceptable to House Republicans. [19:40] We cannot and will not support any bill befuds the defense of our national borders. [19:46] While it may be news to the Senate to hear this, the Constitution gives both the House [19:51] of Representatives and the Senate an equal say in this matter and we will not pass an [19:56] unacceptable bill simply because our agency is under throughout the skilled care of our [19:57] people. [19:58] because the Senate wants to leave town. [20:01] And so I appear before you today in support of House amendment to the Senate amendment [20:05] to H.R. 7147, which will provide a continuing resolution for the Department of Homeland [20:11] Security through May 22nd. [20:14] This will end the pointless shutdown at the Department of Homeland Security, it will provide [20:19] back pay for employees who have not been paid, and will ensure that TSA can return to full [20:25] operational status at airports. [20:27] And will allow DHS to continue to defend our national borders against narco-traffickers, [20:33] terrorists, and other evil-doers, and will ensure that the homeland is protected. [20:38] It doesn't selectively decide which parts of Homeland Security matter. [20:43] Rather, it ensures critical missions and personnel are resourced and ready. [20:48] I urge my colleagues, both Republican and Democrat, to do the right thing and support [20:52] this bill. [20:53] I thank each of you for your time. [20:55] I urge all members to support this bill. [20:57] I look forward to your questions. [20:58] Thank you, Mr. Cole. [20:59] Ranking members and Laura, you're recognized. [21:02] Thank you very much, Chairman Fox. [21:03] And thank you, Ranking Member McGovern. [21:04] Thank you, members of the committee, and my friend, Chairman Cole. [21:05] I think I'm in the movie Groundhog Day. [21:07] But nevertheless, we proceed. [21:08] Just for the record, let us be very, very clear. [21:09] ICE and CBP are 85% of the population of the United States. [21:10] And that's a lot. [21:11] That's a lot. [21:12] That's a lot. [21:13] That's a lot. [21:14] That's a lot. [21:15] That's a lot. [21:16] That's a lot. [21:17] That's a lot. [21:18] That's a lot. [21:19] That's a lot. [21:20] That's a lot. [21:21] That's a lot. [21:22] That's a lot. [21:23] That's a lot. [21:31] They are 95% funded. [21:33] They are funded. [21:36] If there's concern about them doing their job, get them the hell out of the airports [21:42] where they're doing nothing and getting paid, while TSA workers are not getting paid and [21:48] trying to do their job, and get them to where they can do their job. [21:53] They are funded. [21:58] I think we have to keep repeating that. [22:01] They are not suffering an iota of economic insecurity. [22:06] They are not. [22:06] I have to be honest, I really am at a loss. [22:13] Last night, the United States Senate unanimously passed a bill to end the shutdown at the Department [22:22] of Homeland Security, a bill that was engineered by Majority Leader Thune. [22:34] Senate Republicans support the bill. [22:38] Senate Democrats support the bill. [22:42] House Democrats support the bill. [22:45] The White House, though you're never sure where they're going to come out, at the outset [22:50] was supporting the bill. [22:51] Don't know where they are now, but that's always a crapshoot. [22:55] We never know what the hell is going on there. [22:58] How often, how often do we get unanimous consent in this body, in this environment? [23:08] My God, the earth should shake. [23:12] You know, it was just an unbelievable moment. [23:15] No one, they hotlined it, no one disagreed. [23:20] Whoa. [23:21] It's extraordinary. [23:23] But all I have to say is, unanimous vote comes to the House, House, Senate, we fought, that's [23:33] the way the system works, the way the system works. [23:36] But House Republicans, House Republicans alone have said no. [23:42] What they have said is, let's keep the shutdown going. [23:45] Let us continue to withhold paychecks from TSC. [23:48] It's okay if they sleep in their cars. [23:52] It's okay if they're getting paid for plasma. [23:56] It's okay if they're frightened to death about evictions, what they're going to do for their [24:01] families and their kids. [24:04] It's okay. [24:05] Extend the long lines at airports, prolong the chaos and the uncertainty that this shutdown [24:11] has caused. [24:13] Leave Americans economically burdened and poorer. [24:19] So, what are we considering here today? [24:22] An entirely different piece of legislation altogether. [24:25] It is an almost two-month continuing resolution. [24:29] One that does not have buy-in from anyone other than House Republicans. [24:35] It has a zero chance of becoming law. [24:39] Again, zero chance of becoming law. [24:42] It serves no purpose other than to prolong this shutdown for almost two months, and a [24:47] shutdown that has already gone on. [24:49] Long term. [24:50] Long enough. [24:51] The Senate has gone home. [24:55] They are not passing anything. [24:58] They did their job, striking an agreement that passed unanimously. [25:03] This shutdown rests squarely on the shoulders of the House Republican leadership. [25:10] They were offered a bipartisan bill that the President indicated he would sign, and they [25:16] still rejected it. [25:18] This is no way to govern. [25:20] But quite frankly, I don't believe that the House majority wants to govern. [25:27] I've heard so much from so many of my Republican colleagues throughout this shutdown about [25:32] how they cannot imagine how Democrats can look TSA agents in the eye as we go through [25:38] security and how it is a disgrace, and all of the rest of it. [25:43] And here we are with a deal that everyone has agreed to, and they are still saying no. [25:51] TSA agents. [25:52] These agents will know who is responsible to holding their paychecks up. [25:58] I return the question to my colleagues, how will you look those agents in the eye as you [26:04] fly home for spring break? [26:07] Kicking the can down the road for 60 days is not a viable solution by any stretch of [26:13] the imagination. [26:14] But what I can say is that my colleague and friend, Chairman Cole and I, have long agreed [26:20] that continuing resolutions are not the way to govern. [26:24] It is always better to do the hard work of legislating, of negotiating, of forging a compromise. [26:33] The bill the Senate passed is a product of that process. [26:36] It is a bipartisan solution that was arrived at after many long hours of negotiating. [26:44] Ultimately, yes, between Democrats and Republicans. [26:47] But, as I said, a bill engineered by Senate Republicans and the majority leader. [26:54] It is the only viable option before us. [26:58] I want to be clear that Chairman Cole is a man of his word. [27:02] My frustration today is with Speaker Johnson and with House leadership, who, in my opinion, are making a catastrophic mistake. [27:14] This is an inexcusable failure of leadership. [27:18] This is not how you get things done in this body. [27:22] House Republican leadership are refusing to take yes for an answer. [27:26] And the American people? [27:28] Are going to continue paying the price for that. [27:32] The White House apparently believes they have the authority to pay TSA workers. [27:37] If they do, then every day for the past 40 plus days, they made a conscious decision not to pay them. [27:49] And the TSA administrator, not two days ago, said the department made the decision not to pay TSA workers. [27:58] They are picking and choosing. [27:59] They are picking and choosing which workers they think deserve to be paid. [28:05] I think the public ought to decide which of us they think ought to be paid for the jobs that are being done here. [28:14] Most staff at CBP and ICE and the Coast Guard and the Secret Service are already being paid. [28:23] But TSA workers have been singled out, held hostage, pawned in a political game. [28:29] They are not being paid. [28:30] They are not being paid. [28:31] They are not being paid. [28:31] And as the ranking member said, this is not a game, playing with people's lives. [28:39] It is shameful. [28:40] And these folks are somehow undeserving. [28:43] That is shameful. [28:44] And I am prepared to answer your questions. [28:46] I thank you and I yield back. [28:51] Thank you, Ms. DeLauro. [28:55] Chairman Cole, I agree with you that generally our colleagues have an aversion to passing bills, [29:06] to voting for bills passed in the dark of the night. [29:09] Or the dead of the night, as you said. [29:13] And I appreciate very much your giving us that little reminder about how Mr. Schumer and others went back on their word [29:25] when we were negotiating the full appropriations bill. [29:29] And we were all ready to fund all of Homeland Security. [29:33] I also find it a little interesting that Ranking Member DeLauro now is saying they shouldn't, [29:43] the ICE agents should be back out in the field. [29:47] When the Democrats have been screaming about taking them out of the field. [29:52] But would you explain how the Senate amendment defunds immigration and custom enforcement [30:01] and custom and border patrol? [30:04] Because I think that has not been as clear to the American people as it should be. [30:13] Let me begin, Madam Chair, if I may. [30:16] Just by reading a portion of Section 4 of the explanatory statement about the bill. [30:24] Thank you very much. [30:25] That, I think, sums it up pretty well. [30:31] And it, you know, this is what the author's intent was in the bill. [30:36] The contents printed under the heading United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement [30:42] and Border Security Operations under the heading U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall have [30:49] no force or effect for purposes of this act and amounts specified in the final bill column [30:56] under the subheading Border Security Operations under the heading U.S. Customs and Border [31:01] Protection and under the heading U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the Department [31:08] of Homeland Security Act of 2026 table shall be zero dollars. [31:14] Zero dollars. [31:15] Now, what does that mean? [31:17] Well, we're hearing that these other agencies have been funded. [31:21] Parts of them have been funded. [31:23] Additional technology finishing the wall, but the day-to-day operations aren't funded [31:28] in those bills. [31:29] So this moves you to zero. [31:31] The other thing I would say about the legislation, if it's a great piece of legislation, nobody [31:36] in the United States Senate read it, they were writing it at midnight last night. [31:40] There were five senators on the floor when they passed by unanimous consent. [31:46] No, you know. [31:47] I will bet you over 90 senators have not read this bill. [31:52] Over 90. [31:53] And I will bet you their staff have not had a chance because most of them were at home [31:57] in bed where they should have been as well. [32:01] And then it's kicked over here in the dead of night with no discussion with anybody on [32:07] our side of the chamber, maybe in either party, I could only speak for my own. [32:14] I can certainly assure you there was none. [32:16] I can tell you, because I talked to a number of senators, that they were unaware of this [32:22] themselves. [32:23] So that's no way to legislate. [32:27] Again, we had an agreement with the Senate. [32:30] It was an agreement they agreed to. [32:32] We agreed to the language. [32:33] It was compromised language. [32:35] They didn't get everything we wanted. [32:37] They wanted. [32:38] We didn't get everything we wanted. [32:39] But it was language they agreed to. [32:42] They told us the form they wanted it in and said if it comes in that form, we're going [32:46] to pass it. [32:49] And that's what they got. [32:50] And then they broke their word. [32:51] We've offered them three opportunities now to go back and do what they said they were [32:57] going to do. [32:58] What we got back was something I would not vote for something, to tell you the truth, [33:03] that said I was going to give zero money for border security and homeland security, zero, [33:11] on the idea that maybe it's funded. [33:13] Some of it is. [33:14] Some of it isn't. [33:15] We do have the executive branch trying to do that. [33:16] I don't know. [33:17] We're trying to do the right thing. [33:19] But this is preeminently a legislative matter. [33:21] We should just do our job, keep our agreements, and pass it. [33:25] And we have the opportunity to do that. [33:28] The Senate bill doesn't do that at all. [33:33] And frankly, anybody that thinks it got any serious consideration in the United States [33:38] Senate, I would like to tell me where was the committee hearing on the bill or the amendment? [33:46] Where was the discussion? [33:48] Tell me the senators that were awake at 2 and 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning. [33:52] I mean, that's not what happened. [33:55] And that's no way to legislate for the greatest power on the planet and the oldest democracy [34:01] in existence. [34:02] It's a mockery of the legislative process. [34:06] And frankly, it's not something anybody should be comfortable voting for. [34:10] Thank you very much from a great historian. [34:17] Thank you for explaining the process. [34:17] Thank you. [34:18] Thank you. [34:20] Mr. McGovern, you're recognized. [34:21] Mr. Cole, do you know when we're going to vote on this on the floor? [34:28] I do not. [34:28] I would assume as quickly as possible, but I don't have any specific information. [34:34] Did you do a hearing on this here? [34:37] A hearing on this bill that you just said? [34:38] No, that was not. [34:40] Because I don't think you need a hearing when you're saying we're going to just continue [34:43] exactly what's happening. [34:44] But what the Senate did basically is what we've been doing on and on and on and on with [34:50] Mr. Lauro's amendment. [34:51] that basically funds all lawful agencies within the Department of Homeland Security. [34:55] I mean, it's been around for a long time. [34:58] It's not a new phenomenon, so I just wanted to know that. [35:02] And this idea that, oh, we don't like bills that are passed in the middle of the night, [35:07] I just remind all my colleagues that I think I remember correctly the big, ugly bill was passed at a time when it was prime time in Guam, [35:16] but nobody seemed to have any problem with that whole effort. [35:20] But, Mr. Lohr, I wasn't very good in arithmetic, but I just want to clarify for the record, [35:28] when Chairman Cole keeps on talking about and Chairman Fox about defunding ICE, I mean, am I right? [35:37] Was money funded for ICE, the big, ugly bill? [35:40] My gosh. [35:43] You got $75 billion for ICE, $65 billion for CBP, and no one has suggested. [35:50] The legislation. [35:52] The piece that I introduced said, let's continue the negotiations with ICE and CBP. [35:58] But that is within the appropriations portion of the bill, that, in fact, we would not provide the money until there was the overhaul. [36:11] But let's fund everyone else. [36:12] They have the money, and they have a $10 billion slush fund, a $10 billion slush fund, [36:20] which they can use in anything. [36:22] Any way they want to. [36:24] And in the Senate bill, is there a provision that clawbacks the ICE and CBP money that was in the big, ugly bill? [36:30] No. [36:32] No. [36:33] The money is there. [36:35] So, again, just basic arithmetic. [36:38] This has not been defunded. [36:39] So I'm having trouble following that argument. [36:44] You know, I, and Mr. Lohr, Chairman Cole keeps on talking about the deal that Schumer and others seem to have had on DHS. [36:54] Am I correct? [36:55] You said that that was before ICE and CBP murdered two people? [36:59] Yes. [37:00] Two American citizens? [37:01] That's right. [37:02] Yeah. [37:02] And I know, I think we all agree that the murder of two Americans is a big deal. [37:07] You know, it should give us pause. [37:09] BFD. [37:10] It should ask us to want to review whether or not we're spending money wisely. [37:14] I mean, isn't that the reason why there's been kind of a reconsideration of how we should approach the issue? [37:22] Exactly. [37:22] Exactly right. [37:24] And, you know, and definitely, you know, I think that's a good point. [37:25] The Democrats have been asking for major reforms in ICE and CBP. [37:31] Well, it's not even Democrats. [37:33] The major reforms have come from the American public. [37:36] Absolutely. [37:37] How about we not try to detain and deport American citizens? [37:40] How about we not go to sensitive locations, schools, hospitals, medical facilities? [37:45] How do we not have a warrant before we pick up somebody or kick their door down? [37:50] How do we say, don't wear a mask, let's be identified? [37:53] But I think it's important for people. [37:55] I think it's important for the American people to understand, like, you know, what my Republican friends think is controversial, like, you know, having a judicial warrant before you can knock down somebody's door. [38:07] I mean, I don't know, I thought you guys all cared about civil liberties. [38:12] I thought, you know, I mean, I've talked to some of you on FISA, and you're asking, some of you support warrants, but yet, I mean, that's one of the things that we're asking for, and yet that's a radical idea, you know. [38:24] Or before you get picked up and hauled away. [38:26] And separated from your family, and put in a vehicle to go God knows where, that you, the person who's doing that has an obligation to tell you who they are and what they're doing. [38:38] I mean, and that is, and that's one of the reforms that you all think is too radical, or that we shouldn't deport U.S. citizens. [38:45] Boy, that's a real radical idea, right? [38:48] I mean, those are some of the things that, you know, we've been trying to negotiate with this administration, who has no interest in negotiating. [38:56] Because they don't really give a damn about any of this stuff. [38:58] I mean, they just don't. [39:00] And I've been to detention centers, I don't know whether some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have been to detention centers. [39:08] I've seen detention centers that include full families that have been following all the rules, that have been doing everything right, and then all of a sudden get picked up without any explanation, and they find themselves in a jail. [39:20] I mean, like, really? That's what we're all think is okay? [39:25] Yeah. [39:26] Mr. Loro. [39:28] You know, if we were to bring the Senate bill to the floor that, similar to your bill, do you believe that Republicans would, any Republicans would support the bill? [39:41] I really do. [39:42] I think there would be bipartisan support, because it is, and this is not self-serving. [39:49] I believe it was a reasonable approach to dealing with what is a difficult problem, where people had real concerns about ICE and CBP. [39:59] And they, but no one really wants to hold hostage, whether it is FEMA, Coast Guard, TSA, cybersecurity, etc. [40:09] I also might add, and I'm going to quote Senator Susan Collins, who was chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee. [40:16] This is her statement on the Senate vote to pass the Department of Homeland Security funding package. [40:23] Passage of this package brings us closer to ending a reckless and harmful shutdown. [40:28] Today's action moves us closer to ending the shutdown, which has caused chaos. [40:34] It is moving, it says this is the way we need to move forward. [40:41] And is Susan Collins a Republican? [40:43] Yes. [40:44] And do you believe that she's familiar with the bill that the Senate passed last night? [40:47] Or do you agree with Chairman Cole that she probably didn't read it? [40:50] No, if I know, and I think that the chairman would agree to this, because all four corners have sat down. [40:57] They've sat down numerous times. [40:59] And Senator Collins, I am sure, has gone very thoroughly through what was out there. [41:04] I'll let Senator Collins speak for herself, but I spoke to her last night, and she was not aware of this bill. [41:10] She did not talk to you about it. [41:12] Did she issue this statement? [41:13] Well, this is, these are her words. [41:15] I've not made this up. [41:16] This is today, 3-27-26. [41:20] Washington, D.C. [41:21] Senator Collins' statement on passage of DHA's funding package. [41:25] This is this moment. [41:26] Is today the 27th? [41:27] Yes. [41:28] That's interesting. [41:29] That's an interesting observation. [41:31] Whoa. [41:32] And does anyone dispute the fact that reports say that when this vote took place on the Senate floor last night that the Republican Senate Majority Leader, John Thune, was on the floor? [41:43] And he doesn't know anything about what's in the bill? [41:45] Give me a break. [41:46] Do we, anybody dispute that? [41:47] No. [41:48] Because. [41:49] Would the gentleman yield? [41:50] Yeah, happy to yield. [41:51] Well, not just Senator Thune, but Senator Schmidt was on the floor. [41:53] Senator Moreno, Republican of Ohio, was presiding in the Senate. [41:57] So, this fiction that somehow the Senate Republicans had no idea what they were doing. [42:01] I yield back to the chairman. [42:02] No. [42:03] And that's a very good point, because you remind us that the Republicans do control the Senate, right? [42:07] Because they were presiding. [42:08] And I don't know whether, you know, Speaker Johnson, you know, has one of these devices. [42:14] You know, I mean, everybody has them now. [42:16] I mean, and you can communicate with one another. [42:18] And the House Majority Leader. [42:21] I mean, the Republican leadership. [42:24] I mean, it's hard for me to believe that. [42:26] That the Speaker and the Senate Majority Leader don't talk. [42:31] Or that Republicans don't talk to their Senate counterparts. [42:34] I will tell you, as a Democrat, I talk to my counterparts in the Senate all the time. [42:41] You know? [42:42] I've even reached out to Senate Minority Leader Schumer on occasion. [42:47] I talked to Senator Durbin. [42:49] I mean, I talk to them all the time about stuff that I'm concerned about. [42:54] And the notion that the Republican House leadership was just caught off guard. [43:01] That they had no idea that anything was happening. [43:06] I mean, I said at the beginning that I think this leadership is, the House leadership is incompetent. [43:13] But that even goes beyond incompetence. [43:15] I just can't, that defies belief. [43:17] That defies, I mean, and that the White House somehow had no clue that this was going on. [43:24] We have reports that Trump was saying, I would sign this. [43:27] He said he would sign it. [43:28] Last night. [43:29] Let me just. [43:30] Can I just say this one thing? [43:31] I was nervous because, and this is a couple of days ago, Senator Cruz was all over this. [43:35] I said, by God, Senator Cruz and I have very little in common. [43:38] And we were agreeing on the same direction in which to go. [43:42] And so, people understood and knew what was in this bill. [43:45] I would just close with this. [43:47] You know what? [43:49] I mean, we can hide behind process. [43:52] We can hide behind, you know, all kinds of. [43:55] Procedural rhetoric. [43:58] And that's what ends up, that's what usually happens when my Republican friends don't want to talk about the real consequences behind what they're doing. [44:09] What I care about are the people who are getting screwed. [44:12] The people who are being jerked around. [44:14] You know, the PSA agents who aren't getting paid. [44:17] The Coast Guard. [44:18] You know, the FEMA. [44:20] You know, I care about FEMA. [44:21] I said this on the House floor. [44:23] And my Republican friends say they care about FEMA. [44:25] Yet, they said nothing. [44:26] And Kristi Noem wanted to zero out the agency and eliminate it. [44:29] But that's, we'll save that for more discussion later. [44:33] But at the end of the day, what really matters is people. [44:37] And we have an opportunity to help people. [44:39] We had an opportunity to do it in a bipartisan way. [44:42] And I think if, you know, and I guess, and I know this is the last thing, but let me ask you, Chair McColl. [44:47] Would you have any objection if we were to allow for there to be a vote on what the Senate did last night? [44:57] That's not for me to say. [44:58] That's for this committee to decide. [45:00] But do you have an opinion? [45:01] No. [45:03] Oh. [45:04] Boy. [45:06] You're sounding like Speaker Johnson. [45:07] He has an opinion on nothing. [45:08] And I have to tell you, I mean, you know, if you believe that, you know, a short-term [45:14] Sierra that funds agencies that have done horrific things to the American people, you [45:19] know, if that's the way you want to go, fine. [45:21] Go for it. [45:22] But to not allow members, Democrats and Republicans, in the House the opportunity to vote on the [45:30] bipartisan product that came out of the Senate last night that will fund all lawful agencies, [45:36] I just find that really undercutting, not only kind of our, the House of Representatives, [45:45] but, you know, we're supposed to be a deliberative body here. [45:50] But really, it undercuts our democracy. [45:53] Well, my preferred course is to fund the full agency for the full fiscal year. [45:57] You can bring that bill to the floor. [45:58] You have. [45:59] We have. [46:00] We've brought it repeatedly. [46:01] We've passed it three or four times. [46:02] You don't have the votes to do it. [46:03] We have the votes to do it. [46:04] We'll see if we have the votes today. [46:05] So you've said it a hundred times. [46:06] And, you know, you want to do it a hundred and one times, and now we're doing it a short-term. [46:11] We have a majority. [46:12] Why do you keep on doing that? [46:13] We have a majority. [46:14] And you got results. [46:15] We have a majority. [46:16] Yes, we do. [46:17] We have a majority in both chambers each time we've done it. [46:18] But you're not helping a damn person in this country who's getting screwed over by the [46:21] incompetence of this House. [46:22] I'm not the one who voted to shut down the agency. [46:24] Yeah, you did. [46:25] You know what? [46:26] Yes. [46:27] Well, okay. [46:29] He just did. [46:30] Okay. [46:32] Do you want to say one more? [46:34] Anything else? [46:35] I said I'm not the one who voted to shut down the agency. [46:37] I voted to fund it every time. [46:39] Yeah. [46:40] And, by the way, it is my time. [46:41] Okay. [46:43] But I also want, I just want to say for the record, you are now. [46:46] You are now. [46:47] All of you are. [46:48] By doing what you're doing. [46:49] You know exactly what you're doing. [46:51] You know exactly what the result of this is going to be. [46:54] You know exactly who's going to be heard. [46:56] And you continue to do it. [46:57] So, as I said at the beginning of my opening remarks, you all own this. [47:01] I yield back. [47:02] Mr. Speaker. [47:09] Ms. Fischbach, you're recognized. [47:10] Thank you, Madam Chair. [47:11] And I just, I'm kind of surprised that this is a clean CR. [47:18] This will make sure that folks are paid. [47:21] This will be helping the people that Mr. McGovern is concerned that we are, quote unquote, [47:27] I believe the word was screwing. [47:29] But this will take care of that, will it not, Mr. President? [47:35] Correct. [47:36] And so, I think this makes sense. [47:38] We will then have six weeks. [47:40] We have six weeks to deal with things, to continue the negotiations. [47:44] And there's some discrepancy about how it actually went down in the Senate. [47:48] And so, we can figure that out. [47:50] But I am, I just think this is the way that we are coming together to help those folks [47:57] that aren't getting paid, that aren't, that things aren't happening for. [48:00] And I think we've been trying for several weeks to do something. [48:04] But this makes sense. [48:06] It is a simple continuing resolution. [48:09] There's nothing else. [48:10] But it will help those people that Mr. McGovern continues to say he is concerned about. [48:16] And I don't have any questions because I think it is that self-explanatory that this is going [48:23] on, unless you had something to add to that. [48:25] No, I think you summed it up perfectly. [48:27] We passed this legislation. [48:29] Everything will be fully funded. [48:31] And so, with that, Madam Chair, I yield back. [48:35] Thank you, Ms. Fischbach. [48:36] Ms. Scanlon, you're recognized. [48:38] Thank you. [48:39] I first yield to the ranking member. [48:41] First of all, I just want to say the General Lady talks about there's a discrepancy of [48:45] what happened in the Senate last night. [48:47] I don't know what the hell you're talking about. [48:49] No. [48:50] The Senate, by voice vote, passed a product that is, that we are talking about trying [48:56] to bring to the floor. [48:57] There's no discrepancy over what happened. [48:59] You know, they passed something. [49:01] They passed something in a bipartisan way. [49:03] I mean, so there's no discrepancy over that. [49:05] Yeah. [49:06] And, you know, and the only thing, you know, that's, well, you know, and the general [49:12] lady talks about how, you know, a simple way to deal with this. [49:17] I mean, you know, I mean, you know what is really simple is bringing the same thing up [49:23] that you know is going to fail over and over and over again. [49:27] It is clear that there are Democrats in the House and in the Senate who will not support [49:33] unlawful agencies unless they are reformed. [49:36] That is clear. [49:38] You know that. [49:39] You run everything. [49:40] And if you want our votes, you need to either do it or not. [49:42] You either need to make these reforms or you need to remove them from the bill so that [49:47] we can all vote to fund all these other agencies and departments. [49:52] And you all know that. [49:55] You all know that. [49:56] The Senate majority leader, the Republican, knew that. [49:59] And he brought this bill to the floor. [50:02] He gets the schedule. [50:03] By the way, when you're in charge, you need to bring things to the floor. [50:05] Will the gentleman yield? [50:06] I'm happy to yield to the general lady. [50:08] Are the reforms that you requested in the Senate bill yes or no? [50:11] No, they're not. [50:12] Okay, great. [50:13] No, they're not. [50:14] But in the Senate bill, neither is one more dollar for the agencies that break the law. [50:20] There's not one more dollar for ICE, not one more dollar for CBP. [50:24] So, yeah, I would like the reforms. [50:27] And we're happy to continue to negotiate with you on that. [50:31] But the bottom line is this notion that Republicans have no control. [50:36] You set the agenda. [50:39] You set the agenda. [50:40] The Senate Republican majority leader brought this to the floor. [50:43] Not Chuck Schumer, you know, not Jim McGovern, but your Republican Senate majority leader. [50:51] And the deal is that they had a unanimous voice vote. [51:00] And we have Republican senators issuing statements today saying what is going on. [51:07] But this is insane what you people are doing. [51:10] It's shameful. [51:12] I mean, I'm embarrassed for this institution by what is going on here. [51:15] And I'm so sick and tired of regular people getting screwed over. [51:19] And that's what's happening here. [51:21] I thank the general lady for yielding. [51:23] I yield back to her. [51:24] Thank you, Mr. McGovern. [51:27] I've been fielding calls and texts and emails from my constituents all morning. [51:33] Generally, they were really relieved to hear that the Senate had finally taken action to fund TSA and the Coast Guard and FEMA [51:45] because that's what we've all been talking about for more than 40 days, [51:51] that folks and parts of these agencies were not funded, unlike ICE and Customs and Border Patrol, [51:58] which actually are funded, as the ranking member mentioned. [52:03] So they were relieved to hear that there had been Senate action. [52:06] And we're looking forward to the House moving forward. [52:10] So, like them, I'm a little surprised to find ourselves in this. [52:15] Alternative universe where House Republicans are refusing to take yes for an answer. [52:24] We should be voting on the bipartisan legislation that passed the Senate that would reopen and fund TSA, [52:32] FEMA and the Coast Guard, because we all know all of us here know that if that bill were put on the House floor, [52:39] it would pass with a strong majority. [52:41] I mean, it would pass. [52:44] So I am not quite sure why. [52:46] I don't know what this exercise is, but it appears that Speaker Johnson is playing politics. [52:50] Ms. Canlan, would you yield to a question? [52:55] I would be happy to yield to a question from the Chairwoman. [52:57] Thank you. [52:58] I think some of us are confused because Mr. McGovern just said that ICE and Border Patrol are getting not a penny, [53:07] which confirmed what Mr. Cole said. [53:11] Thank you. [53:12] And yet you're saying— [53:13] I'd be happy to answer your question. [53:15] Answer the question. [53:16] It was a brief remark taken out of context. [53:18] I think we can— [53:19] Sure. [53:20] The easy answer, of course, is that there was funding. [53:22] They have the money from the Big Beautiful Bill, which is the money that they're utilizing. [53:25] But they weren't funded in this fund. [53:27] Not in an appropriations bill, which is what this is about. [53:29] But they have serious money, $75 billion, $65 billion in the Big Beautiful Bill and a $10 billion slush fund. [53:37] I was making a different point, so I'll reclaim my time for now. [53:41] But just the point is that we could be voting on that. [53:45] We could be voting on that bill. [53:47] Speaker Johnson is playing some political games here to satisfy a small group of fringe extremists in the House Republican conference. [53:56] And in doing so, he's threatening the livelihood and well-being of millions of Americans. [54:02] And he's doing so knowing that after the Senate unanimously passed this bill last night or this morning, they left town for two weeks. [54:11] So in choosing to go down this path, [54:14] the Speaker is making a deliberate choice to prolong this partial shutdown, [54:21] knowing that the Senate has already rejected the bill he intends to put on the floor and that they aren't going to consider it for weeks. [54:29] Every day, TSA employees, some Coast Guard service members, natural disaster first responders are going without pay, [54:36] going without the resources they need to do their jobs. [54:39] And we know, we've heard that some of these dedicated public servants have been forced to sleep in their cars, [54:44] go without food because their paychecks are being withheld. [54:48] Hundreds have had no choice but to put their families first and leave TSA altogether to find other work. [54:56] But that hurts all of us as well. [54:58] So, Madam Chair, this shutdown has extended for more than 40 days. [55:02] Very few Americans can go that long without a paycheck. [55:06] And even fewer can understand how or why congressional Republicans have chosen not to act, [55:14] when there's a real opportunity to solve this problem and to do the right thing. [55:19] Why are we wasting everyone's time? [55:21] Why are we continuing to hang TSA workers and other federal employees out to dry on this pointless, [55:28] pointless partisan exercise? [55:30] For weeks, Republicans have withheld this funding to try to force Democrats to give more money, [55:36] even more money, billions more, to a rogue agency that has cost Americans lives. [55:43] So I would urge our Republican colleagues to reject this insanity and join Democrats in passing the Senate legislation. [55:51] There is one point I was particularly interested in, Ranking Member DeLauro. [55:56] We have heard repeatedly that there was some kind of reneging on a deal. [56:00] And we've heard that, oh, it's very simple to just fund the government. [56:04] But our Republican colleagues keep glossing over the fact that the turning point in this funding discussion [56:11] was when Americans said, [56:13] American citizens were killed on American streets by masked and armed federal agents. [56:20] And this administration has refused to put any guardrails around that behavior. [56:25] So it's not as though things were just perking along with no changes. [56:30] There was an outrageous assault on American values and American citizens that must be dealt with. [56:37] So I would appreciate your observations on that. [56:40] On January 7th, [56:41] Renee Nicole Goode was murdered. [56:43] In Minneapolis. [56:44] On January 24th, [56:45] Alex Preti was murdered in Minneapolis. [56:49] American citizens murdered. [56:51] Now, if that doesn't speak to making some changes in an agency, [56:59] and both agencies involved, [57:01] because, and I will just say, [57:03] the Commander Bovino was, [57:06] he's the one who, you know, [57:08] killed Preti. [57:10] And he was let go. [57:12] Things have happened. [57:13] It was not a static situation. [57:15] It was a fluid situation. [57:17] Which, given the contention and the sensitivity around ICE, [57:23] 11th, 45 days ago, [57:26] I introduced this bill which said, [57:29] we have a serious issue which everyone is concerned about. [57:33] Put it aside and continue to negotiate because it's going to take a long time to sort it out. [57:40] And that it had to have protections. [57:42] The protections were never a part of what the bill was about, [57:47] but about the future funding of those agencies. [57:50] But let's free these people who are being hammered and pilloried [57:56] and not being paid when they're doing the work that they have. [58:00] That was the scene. [58:01] Events. [58:02] Events. [58:03] If you can't move with events, [58:05] my God, we are not stuck in concrete here. [58:08] We have to be sensitive to what happens. [58:11] The murder of two American citizens. [58:13] Well, and as there's a couple of us here who are members of the Judiciary Committee, [58:17] and since that time we have had before us the head of the Department of Justice, [58:21] the head of the former head of the Department of Homeland Security. [58:26] And there has been no action from those departments to rein in, [58:31] to investigate, to prosecute that lawless behavior by federal agents on our streets. [58:37] So that has increased our concern about how we put together [58:41] and how we put guardrails around this paramilitary force [58:45] that has been deployed to American streets. [58:47] Look, no one on this side of the aisle wants to withhold pay from TSA agents. [58:52] That's why we've been trying to push forward the legislative proposal that you suggested [58:57] and that the Senate unanimously adopted last night. [59:01] But we now have admissions from the White House and from administrators there [59:07] that there has been a choice by this administration not to pay TSA agents. [59:12] Fortunately, I understand that, you know, maybe while we've been here, [59:15] the President has signed an order directing that TSA agents be paid going forward. [59:21] But this is, it's just outrageous that a simple bipartisan solution [59:26] that solves a problem for the American people is being rejected by Speaker Johnson [59:32] and some of the fringe extremists in his group. [59:35] Thank you for all of your work on this, and I yield back. [59:39] Thank you. [59:40] Thank you, Ms. Scanlon. [59:41] Mr. Roy, before I recognize you, [59:43] I would like to get a clarification from Chairman Cole. [59:47] Ms. Scanlon said Coast Guard service members are not being paid. [59:52] My understanding is that is incorrect. [59:56] I think that is incorrect. [59:58] Just as the President was able to pull a rabbit out of a hat during last year's shutdown, [1:00:03] keep the military paid, they found a way to pay the personnel, [1:00:08] but not the support personnel, not the civilian employees. [1:00:11] So it's one of these areas. [1:00:13] That's right. [1:00:14] It's clearly not the preferred way. [1:00:16] I mean, there ought to be passed legislation, appropriations bills to do that. [1:00:21] Uniformed personnel are being paid. [1:00:23] I know there are form letters going around because I've had constituents contact me, [1:00:29] and I think it's important that we make it clear that our service members are being paid. [1:00:36] Right, but just to clarify, not everybody in the Coast Guard is being paid. [1:00:40] No. [1:00:41] It's the uniformed personnel. [1:00:43] Uniformed personnel are. [1:00:46] Mr. Cole said that. [1:00:48] He stated it very clearly. [1:00:50] Mr. Roy, you're recognized. [1:00:53] I thank the Chairwoman. [1:00:56] Mr. Chairman, Chairman Cole, is it true that the United States House of Representatives, Republicans, [1:01:02] have sent over to the United States House multiple times full funding for the Department of Homeland Security, [1:01:06] including all operations? [1:01:08] I assume you mean the United States Senate, and yes, it is. [1:01:11] Yes, sir. [1:01:12] And in sending it over to the United States Senate, [1:01:14] is it not true that the 53 Republicans of the Senate have multiple times voted for full funding [1:01:19] for the Department of Homeland Security? [1:01:21] I believe that's the case. [1:01:22] So therefore, is it not true that there are precisely seven human beings in the entire world [1:01:27] that are holding up funding for the men and women who are serving our country in Border Patrol, [1:01:32] in ICE, in FEMA, in TSA, and every other aspect of the Department of Homeland Security? [1:01:38] Seven individuals necessary, seven Democrats in the Senate necessary to get 60 votes. [1:01:42] May only be five. [1:01:43] I believe at least one, I think two Democrats have voted. [1:01:47] So it's a pretty substantial sort of mid-50s majority to fund the government. [1:01:52] So to repeat, we've had some Democrats interested in continuing to do the job, 53 Republicans. [1:01:56] So we've had five, six, seven Democrats necessary in order to actually do the job of funding [1:02:01] the important function of the Department of Homeland Security. [1:02:04] Is that correct? [1:02:05] That's correct. [1:02:06] So let's just be very clear about who is holding up any funding necessary for the people in this country [1:02:11] to have a secure country. [1:02:12] When we've had multiple terrorist attacks since this funding dispute began, [1:02:17] since we've had conflict in Iran, since we've had issues at our border, [1:02:21] and I would note, for example, a CBP support employee saying, [1:02:25] quote, the Senate bill paid TSA, but thousands of CBP and ICE professional staff will not be paid. [1:02:30] The last paid workday for me was February 13th. [1:02:33] Now Senate on paid vacation until April 13th, that is guaranteed for two months, no pay. [1:02:38] Very likely we won't be paid until May if Johnson lets this bill pass. [1:02:42] ICE civilian employee, quote, I have a huge favor. [1:02:45] When you guys report on the fact that ICE is funded through OB3 funds, [1:02:48] can you please make it known that support staff, i.e. mission support, OPA, et cetera, is not getting paid. [1:02:55] Is that true, Mr. Cole? [1:02:57] That's absolutely true. [1:02:58] It's one of the reasons why you should do the complete bill instead of trying to pick and choose [1:03:02] because you always miss somebody. [1:03:05] There's somebody being paid in another way, and it's just not, I mean, part of the essence of this problem [1:03:11] is nobody reads an appropriation bill and likes everything in it. [1:03:17] And if you get to pick and choose what you like, no appropriations bill would ever be passed. [1:03:22] You pass the full bill, you balance it off, and that's the appropriate way to do it. [1:03:28] Substantial majorities, bipartisan majorities in each chamber have done that. [1:03:32] This is really a Senate rule that has held up complete funding of the government. [1:03:38] Would I be correct when I observe [1:03:42] that when the ranking member discusses 85% of ICE and Border Patrol operations being funded [1:03:49] or something to that effect, that the vast majority or all of that is coming through OBB funds? [1:03:56] Again, I wouldn't presume to speak for my friend, the ranking member, [1:04:00] but that would be my understanding that that's where the majority of that money is coming from. [1:04:05] So to the extent that there is funding going to the men and women in Border Patrol [1:04:11] and ICE too, [1:04:12] to carry out their job, [1:04:13] that funding is entirely or predominantly coming through OBB, to the best of our knowledge. [1:04:18] That's correct. [1:04:19] And it wasn't what it was designed to do originally. [1:04:22] Correct. [1:04:23] It was meant to better technology, finishing the border wall, things of that nature. [1:04:27] How many Democrats voted for the OBB? [1:04:30] None. [1:04:32] None. [1:04:33] So to be very clear, [1:04:34] the funds that are going for Border Patrol and ICE operations was not supported by Democrats. [1:04:40] Correct. [1:04:41] Democrats today refused, [1:04:42] Correct. [1:04:43] to fund through the normal appropriations process, [1:04:45] any funding for ICE or Border Patrol to be able to carry out the functions of defending the United States of America. [1:04:51] And to be clear that since that lapse of funding, [1:04:54] we've had material terrorist attacks on our soil. [1:04:57] We've had the murder of Sheridan Gorman by a person who was here, [1:05:02] who came in here illegally in 2023 under the previous administration, [1:05:06] who is a criminal who was released and who murdered and shot a student in Chicago. [1:05:12] And this stuff continues to operate because our colleagues on the other side of the aisle flat out refuse to do the job of funding the operations necessary to secure the United States of America. [1:05:23] I support the speaker in making sure that we do our job right now to send back to the Senate a bill that will fully fund these operations so that we can get busy defending this country when we need to do it and make sure that the people on the streets are safe and secure. [1:05:39] I yield back. [1:05:40] Madam Chair. [1:05:41] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [1:05:42] Point of clarification. [1:05:44] Yes. [1:05:45] I want to know how many Republican Senators voted against the bill that we're asking to be considered today in lieu of the continuing resolution. [1:05:53] How many Republican Senators objected to basically the bill that Ms. DeLauro... [1:05:59] None. [1:06:00] None. [1:06:01] Madam Chair, was there a roll call vote in the Senate or was this conducted in the middle of the night by voice vote? [1:06:05] This was passed at around... [1:06:07] By voice in the middle of the night? [1:06:09] By voice. [1:06:10] You control the Senate. [1:06:11] Anyone could have dissented. [1:06:12] You control the agenda. [1:06:13] What? [1:06:14] In the Senate. [1:06:15] And the person who's holding up the table is the Speaker of the House. [1:06:17] Mr. McGovern. [1:06:18] Mr. McGovern. [1:06:19] Mr. McGovern. [1:06:20] Five Democrats refused to actually do the job for the American people. [1:06:21] And those did not object. [1:06:22] Yeah. [1:06:23] And Americans are dying because you guys refused to secure the country. [1:06:26] So stop the bullshit. [1:06:27] Mr. McGovern, you do not have the floor. [1:06:30] Mr. McGovern, I've been pretty tolerant. [1:06:34] I'm... [1:06:35] So have we. [1:06:37] So have we. [1:06:38] But it's garbage. [1:06:39] Based on what's going on here today. [1:06:40] It's garbage. [1:06:41] Mr. McGovern, you don't have the right to make that decision. [1:06:43] You don't have the right to make a decision. [1:06:45] You don't have the right to make a decision that you've been tolerant. [1:06:47] We're following regular order here. [1:06:48] Well... [1:06:49] And that's what I'm going to do. [1:06:50] Follow regular order. [1:06:51] I, out of courtesy, introduced you to ask a question, but I'm not going to tolerate [1:06:52] this kind of an outburst. [1:06:54] I will not. [1:06:55] I will not. [1:06:56] Speak to both sides. [1:06:57] Speaking of outbursts... [1:06:58] I hope you'll make that clear to the other side. [1:06:59] Please. [1:07:00] Mr. Neguse, you are recognized. [1:07:01] Go for it. [1:07:02] I thank the Chairwoman. [1:07:03] Well... [1:07:06] Perhaps I'll start where... [1:07:07] No. [1:07:09] No. [1:07:10] No. [1:07:11] No. [1:07:12] No. [1:07:13] No. [1:07:14] No. [1:07:16] No. [1:07:17] No. [1:07:18] No. [1:07:19] No. [1:07:20] Come on! [1:07:21] If we had crossed this finish line, we would have got a great choice. [1:07:24] We would have had a great choice. [1:07:25] ... [1:07:46] Now, my colleagues, I think I know why. [1:07:50] My Republican colleagues are very much living in a fantasy land and somehow trying to make [1:07:55] the case to the American people that Democrats control the United States Senate. [1:07:57] Senator objected. Senator Bernie Moreno, Republican of Ohio, presided over the vote. [1:08:07] Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri, the former Attorney General of the state of Missouri, [1:08:12] that my friend from Texas, Chip Roy, talks so glowingly of in the past, he was on the floor [1:08:18] when the bill passed. Senator Collins. John Thune asked for unanimous consent on this bill. [1:08:24] Not a single senator objected. So I don't really understand this Republican argument. I suspect [1:08:36] when we get to Mr. Scott, I'm counting on Mr. Scott, because I think he'll be intellectually [1:08:40] honest. And what he will say is, I disagree with those Republican senators, not to speak [1:08:43] for you, but they should have objected. Perhaps some member on the other side of the aisle will [1:08:49] make that case. But as of yet, instead, we're stuck with these abstract attacks on the Senate [1:08:55] as though these are not members of your own party. [1:08:58] Chairman Cole, you're going to have an opportunity, Mr. Scott. Chairman Cole, [1:09:06] Chairman Woman Fox described the Senate's action, this bill. I wrote it down because I found it very [1:09:13] interesting. She said it was unwise and, quote, unconditional surrender. Do you agree? [1:09:20] I agree it was unwise. [1:09:22] Not about the unconditional surrender part? [1:09:24] You know, I'm not going to get it equivalent over words. [1:09:27] That's not my words. It's Virginia Fox's words. [1:09:30] I think it was. [1:09:30] I think it was. [1:09:30] It was the wrong thing to do and the wrong way to do it. [1:09:34] Well, here's the question, I think, not for you, but for whoever may be watching these proceedings. [1:09:40] I think someone, maybe Jake Sherman, a reporter, can go ask Ted Cruz whether this bill was [1:09:47] unconditional surrender. Go ask Mike Lee whether it was unconditional surrender. I hope the chairwoman, [1:09:55] when we conclude with this hearing, that she will call her senators from the great state of North [1:10:02] Carolina to talk about it. [1:10:03] I think it was unconditional surrender. [1:10:04] And if it was, why he made the decision not to object, I hope we get an answer to that [1:10:10] question because the rest of this is just noise. [1:10:14] The senators, in my view, did the right thing. [1:10:18] They passed a bill that funds TSA, that funds the Coast Guard, that ends this crisis. [1:10:26] And we have the opportunity to do the same. [1:10:29] The only reason we're not, just to be clear, is because one person, the Speaker of the [1:10:37] House, was here. [1:10:39] He was here three years ago and watched his predecessor lose his job and his gavel the [1:10:46] last time a Republican speaker dared to put a bipartisan bill on the floor that would [1:10:53] pass with a huge majority vote. [1:10:57] He's not in Congress anymore. [1:11:00] We all know that. [1:11:02] That's the reason that we're engaged in this theater. [1:11:06] And I find it to be repugnant because, again, as the ranking member has articulated, real [1:11:14] harm. [1:11:16] I mean, to people, these TSA agents who've been working for weeks without pay. [1:11:21] Now, Chairman Cole, you, I wrote something else down during your opening statement. [1:11:27] You said, quote, that constituents are tired of bills passing in the dead of night. [1:11:32] Remember saying that? [1:11:33] Correct. [1:11:34] Okay. [1:11:35] Do you remember where you were on Thursday, July 3rd, in the middle of the night? [1:11:40] No, I don't. [1:11:42] I remember because we were both on the floor of the House as Republicans passed in the [1:11:49] dead of night. [1:11:50] We were on the floor of the House as Republicans passed in the dead of night, tax breaks for [1:11:51] the richest Americans. [1:11:52] Let me read you a few headlines. [1:11:53] I don't think it's- [1:11:54] Sleep deprived. [1:11:55] I didn't ask you a question, Chairman Cole. [1:11:56] Sleep deprived lawmakers- [1:11:57] No, you did. [1:11:58] Stay up all night to pass the big, beautiful bill. [1:12:00] Republicans advance Trump's big, beautiful bill in unusual late night vote. [1:12:05] Dead of night, Dems accused GOP of cowardice over late night votes on Trump's big, beautiful [1:12:10] budget bill. [1:12:11] Intentionally hiding, GOP tries to sneak through Medicaid cuts in the dead of night. [1:12:18] This was not like a decade ago. [1:12:20] This was eight months ago. [1:12:21] I remember these votes, as I'm sure my colleagues on the other side of the aisle do. [1:12:28] Thou doth protest a little too much. [1:12:31] I get it. [1:12:32] I understand why you're opposed on the merits to this proposal, Mr. Chairman, but the speaker's [1:12:38] comments in his press conference, his dead of night votes and outrageous how the Senate [1:12:43] could have done so and all the rest, it's a little bit too much for me to bear. [1:12:49] May I respond? [1:12:50] I know your response, so I'm going to jump onto that. [1:12:52] No. [1:12:53] I think you don't know my response. [1:12:54] Well, I think you'll make, in any event, I'm going to, I have limited time. [1:12:55] I have one more question. [1:12:56] No. [1:12:57] I think in this committee you don't have limited time. [1:13:00] Well, under you, Mr. Chairman, we pine for the days under Chairman Cole, of course, that [1:13:05] was true. [1:13:06] I would love it. [1:13:07] That's fine. [1:13:08] That's no longer the case, Mr. Chairman. [1:13:09] I haven't been my experience in this committee. [1:13:10] I think the chair is enormously generous with time, regardless of who the chair is, by the [1:13:16] way. [1:13:17] It's unfortunate. [1:13:18] I agree with you. [1:13:19] I want to read you one more thing. [1:13:20] Sure. [1:13:21] This is a tweet from the House Freedom Caucus. [1:13:23] From about two hours ago, I guess. [1:13:25] It says, quote, why on earth would we hand them exactly what they want by keeping the [1:13:33] deportation wing unfunded? [1:13:35] We hold the leverage. [1:13:38] Don't surrender it. [1:13:41] What leverage are they referring to, Mr. Cole? [1:13:45] I suspect we have the majority in the House, which we do. [1:13:49] That's why we've passed funding the government three or four times. [1:13:52] The leverage is the majority of the House? [1:13:53] And by the way, all but one of those bills- [1:13:55] The majority is not- [1:13:56] Not overwhelmingly, but you agreed. [1:13:59] That was bipartisan. [1:14:00] I don't think that you would make a statement like this, because I think you know what they're [1:14:06] referring to. [1:14:07] The leverage are ultimately the hardworking TSA agents, the folks in the various sub agencies [1:14:15] in the cybersecurity and Coast Guard and all the rest. [1:14:18] The Freedom Caucus is making very clear that if we pass the Senate bill tonight, their [1:14:23] leverage, meaning the hardworking TSA agents who- [1:14:27] That would not- [1:14:29] Would ultimately not get paid, dissipates. [1:14:30] That would not- [1:14:31] And that is why they convinced the Speaker- [1:14:32] That would not be my interpretation. [1:14:33] Well, I'll look forward to your statement saying that we have- [1:14:34] You heard it. [1:14:35] That you hold the leverage. [1:14:36] I don't think that I would, I imagine that you would use those words. [1:14:37] I suspect you would not, because we all know what they're really getting at. [1:14:38] In any event, I digress. [1:14:39] I would just simply say this. [1:14:40] We're going to have an opportunity tonight for the Republican members on the conference [1:14:41] call earlier, who apparently, I don't know who they are. [1:14:42] I don't know who they are. [1:14:43] I don't know who they are. [1:14:44] I don't know who they are. [1:14:45] I don't know who they are. [1:14:46] I don't know who they are. [1:14:47] I don't know who they are. [1:14:48] I don't know who they are. [1:14:49] I don't know who they are. [1:14:50] I don't know who they are. [1:14:51] I don't know who they are. [1:14:52] I don't know who they are, but they've got the leverage, and I'll likely do my best. [1:14:55] I'll do what they say I can. [1:14:56] I'll get it. [1:14:57] I'll do what's good, but I don't think they're going to get paid. [1:14:58] The only risk they're really getting at, in any event, I digress, I would just simply [1:15:00] say this. [1:15:01] We're going to have an opportunity tonight for the Republican members on the conference [1:15:02] call earlier who apparently bemoaned this proposal by the Speaker, this plan that you [1:15:05] all have conjured up, for those who I think, Chairman McGovern said, Rick and Member McGovern [1:15:10] that some Republican members supposedly called it stupid [1:15:13] and all the rest, they're gonna have a chance [1:15:16] to do the right thing. [1:15:18] Because if we defeat the previous question on the floor, [1:15:21] the Senate bill will get a vote. [1:15:24] And I have no doubt, no doubt, [1:15:27] that if the Senate bill gets a vote, [1:15:29] it will pass by an overwhelming margin. [1:15:33] So all we need, all we need, are a handful of Republicans. [1:15:38] I'm not talking a lot, five, six, maybe four, [1:15:43] House Republicans to defeat the previous question [1:15:46] and TSA agents can get paid tonight. [1:15:49] I hope they do the right thing. [1:15:51] I yield back. [1:15:54] Thank you, Mr. Neguse. [1:15:58] I want to make a quick comment. [1:16:02] We passed the Working Families Tax Cut Act [1:16:05] at 7.30 in the morning, if I remember right. [1:16:10] It wasn't in the dead of night. [1:16:12] I believe it was at 7.30 in the morning, okay? [1:16:16] So I scheduled a rules hearing [1:16:18] for 2 a.m. [1:16:20] You have the audacity to, 1 a.m., 1 a.m., sorry. [1:16:25] What are we talking about? [1:16:30] Madam Chair, Madam Chair, Madam Chair, Madam Chair. [1:16:34] Okay, we're giving you guys a lot to laugh about, [1:16:38] but I want to say Democrats always want us to flex [1:16:44] and defend Article I, but that seems to end [1:16:48] as we cross the rotunda or a bill is rushed [1:16:51] from over at that side. [1:16:53] Ms. Houchen, you're recognized. [1:16:56] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:16:57] I will want to yield some time [1:16:59] to the gentleman from Virginia, Mr. Griffith. [1:17:04] Thank you very much, Ms. Houchen. [1:17:06] I have to say to my friends on the other side of the aisle, [1:17:10] I am vexed and offended when words are put [1:17:19] into the mouths, into my mouth, that are not accurate. [1:17:25] I am a proud member of the Freedom Caucus, [1:17:29] and I know that the leverage is votes [1:17:32] the floor not the TSA workers this place is about voting and voting in in the way [1:17:39] you feel is right and appropriate and when the Freedom Caucus says that we [1:17:44] have the leverage what they're talking about is we have a block of votes in the [1:17:49] United States House of Representatives and we use those votes to try to move [1:17:53] this nation in a direction that we believe is the right direction in which [1:17:58] to go I know my colleagues don't agree with that and that's fine you don't have [1:18:02] to agree with that but don't imply that when we say we have the leverage that [1:18:08] we're using hard-working TSA workers as that leverage no it's the leverage of [1:18:13] the vote on the floor of the house and the leverage of the vote here in the [1:18:16] Rules Committee I yield back to miss how do you have a majority of votes would [1:18:20] pass this thank you mr. McGovern I did not yield time to you [1:18:26] miss how we get your thank you mr. McGovern I've asked you I appreciate it [1:18:32] madam chair [1:18:32] but I just want to know mr. McGovern this is not your time I'm sorry no you [1:18:39] do not have the time mr. McGovern sorry thank you miss madam chair mr. Cole I [1:18:44] would like to give you time to respond to the gentleman's characterization that [1:18:48] the one the Working Families Tax Cuts Act was a tax giveaway for the rich it [1:18:54] was a what the gentleman from Colorado may I listen to the question would you [1:18:59] gentleman from Colorado characterized the working [1:19:03] families tax cuts act as a tax giveaway for the rich I wanted to give you an [1:19:08] opportunity to respond well certainly was not that I don't know very many [1:19:12] rich people that rely on tips to get their pay I don't very very many rich [1:19:16] people that do overtime I don't know very many people that get social [1:19:20] security tax rebates because that's all they have to live on and that's an [1:19:25] effort to help move them in the right direction so no I would not characterize [1:19:29] it as that I think it was a incredibly complex sweeping [1:19:33] piece of legislation and I'll add there's a big difference between voting [1:19:37] on something you've been debating for months and voting on something that was [1:19:42] not only voted on in the dark it was written in the dark it was written [1:19:45] within hours and presented so I don't I don't consider them you know [1:19:51] comparison at all I understand the effort to get the bill done by the 4th [1:19:55] of July which was an exceptional achievement but the idea that it wasn't [1:19:59] thoroughly discussed debated go through committees move back and forth as a [1:20:04] matter of fact that was the second time the house had dealt with it it voted it [1:20:07] over the first time the Senate had changed it and then we had to deal with [1:20:11] that and move the bill so again I think it's an apples and oranges comparison [1:20:16] does the child tax credit only benefit rich Americans no obviously not is a [1:20:21] small business pass-through deduction only benefit rich America obviously not [1:20:25] thank you there thank you [1:20:28] okay [1:20:29] so let's just be clear the government is not shut down because of Republicans [1:20:34] the government is shut down because Democrats in the Senate have not voted [1:20:39] to fund it the Department of Homeland Security I want to be because I do want [1:20:45] to give my democracy look we got 11 bills done and this house got all 12 [1:20:50] bills done and we sent the Senate the bill in the form and the manner it asked [1:20:56] for to pass it with an agreement with Senate Democrats they were going to [1:20:59] pass it they changed about you know but against I check them want to come in [1:21:07] ranking member here lot of Democrats help passed these bills that's why [1:21:12] they're almost all of the Bibeey partisan by cannibal even the ones who [1:21:17] were contested had some democratic votes so it's a bipartisan achievement and [1:21:23] we're very lucky and I compliment my friends on the other side of the aisle [1:21:27] because they were a huge [1:21:28] out of this [1:21:29] dark [1:21:29] we could be sitting here in a total government shutdown in the middle of a war. [1:21:34] And that did not happen because Democrats and Republicans worked together. [1:21:39] More pressure on Democrats, in my opinion, to do that, particularly my friend. [1:21:44] And I will never forget that. [1:21:46] That was an exceptional act of political courage. [1:21:50] And I think working, you know, through regular order and give and take negotiation, [1:21:56] where we both ended up with bills that we would have written differently if we were king of the world or queen of the world. [1:22:04] But we're not. And we work together. [1:22:07] So, again, but in this case, no question. [1:22:11] And that's not House Democrats. It is Senate Democrats who broke their word. [1:22:16] Thank you. And thank you for that clarification. [1:22:17] So the Department of Homeland Security is not being funded because of Democrat votes in the Senate. [1:22:23] Correct. [1:22:23] We've heard a comment today about there's zero chance. [1:22:26] That what we're doing here will become law. [1:22:28] But there's also zero chance in the House that the Senate bill is going to become law. [1:22:34] We've heard comments that this is no way to govern. [1:22:37] But is it any way to govern partially funding the federal agency responsible for our national security at a time when we face unprecedented risks? [1:22:45] And the Biden administration let in thousands of known terrorists into the country. [1:22:50] In my opinion, it is not the appropriate way to govern. [1:22:53] And not just known terrorists were let into the country. [1:22:57] Under the Biden administration, there were also at least 2 million or more gotaways, people we don't even know who they are, where they came from, or their status, or as whether they're on the terrorist watch list or not. [1:23:11] Correct. [1:23:12] I mean, I've been mystified by people don't want to fund the Border Patrol of all agencies, probably been the most successful agency, you know, in history. [1:23:23] I would have never believed they could turn around the situation on the border as rapidly. [1:23:27] As they did. [1:23:29] Uh, and it shows how adept their management was before the arrival of President Trump versus after. [1:23:36] Because they've they've accomplished what was unbelievable. We've had no known illegal entries into the country in months. Why do you want to not fund that agency that has delivered that to you? [1:23:50] And just recently, ICE arrested a criminal illegal alien from Uzbekistan, wanted in his origin country for belonging to a terrorist organization. [1:23:56] That's what they did. [1:23:57] That's what they did. [1:23:58] That's what they did. [1:23:58] That's what they did. [1:23:58] That's what they did. [1:23:58] ICE arrested an illegal alien from Honduras and a leader of MS-13 known as Phantasma, who was wanted in his home country for killing four people. [1:24:08] ICE arrested an illegal alien wanted in his origin country of India for connection with terrorist activities that included planning one more than one dozen grenade attacks on police officials. [1:24:19] ICE arrested a criminal illegal alien, an MS-13 leader from El Salvador. [1:24:23] He faces an Interpol red notice from El Salvador for drug trafficking and conspiracy. [1:24:28] He faces an Interpol red notice from El Salvador for drug trafficking and conspiracy. [1:24:29] He faces an Interpol red notice from El Salvador for drug trafficking and conspiracy. [1:24:38] And you had yourways fucked. [1:24:39] Red Law Law seem to try to destabilize crime again. [1:24:41] The�� [1:24:44] You lied to me, bitch. [1:24:44] You lied to me, bitch. [1:24:46] I thì [1:24:46] ... [1:24:49] We know you lied to me. [1:24:53] In [1:24:58] a [1:24:58] There, [1:24:58] arrested and off our streets thanks to ICE. All of these operations will be negatively impacted by [1:25:05] this defund effort by Democrats. And let me be clear, the people doing these jobs are the people [1:25:12] the Democrats don't want to pay, and they are American citizens with families too. The Democrats [1:25:19] are the ones that are picking which employees should be paid. The Democrats are singling out, [1:25:24] holding hostage, and using the American people as pawns for a false premise that we're somehow [1:25:29] voting on this DHS. They're voting against the DHS funding because they want reforms, [1:25:35] yet in the Senate bill there are zero reforms that they asked for. But now that the bill sets [1:25:43] this total amount we're spending on these agencies that are so important to our national security, [1:25:49] setting those at zero, they don't care about ICE and Border Patrol. They don't care about the [1:25:56] people doing these very difficult jobs because they want border chaos and crime in the [1:26:02] streets. [1:26:02] Otherwise, they would have secured the border under the Biden administration. But regular people, [1:26:08] this is a comment made by one of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, he said regular [1:26:14] people are getting screwed. Regular people are getting screwed, like the families of American [1:26:20] citizens who have been killed by illegal immigrants. Like Laken Riley, a nursing student [1:26:26] from Augusta University who was killed on February 22, 2024, while jogging on the University of Georgia [1:26:33] campus. Her killer was a Venezuelan national who entered the country illegally in 2022. Like the [1:26:41] family of Jocelyn Nungery, age 12, who was sexually assaulted and strangled to death on June 16, 2024, [1:26:47] by two Venezuelan nationals. Like the family of Rachel Morin, a mother of five who was raped and [1:26:53] murdered while jogging on a popular trail in Maryland by an undocumented immigrant from El [1:26:58] Salvador. Like the family of Luis Lopez, age 15, a teenager shot and killed by a police officer in [1:27:03] Kentucky in 2025, while attempting to protect his mother from an attempted rape by an illegal [1:27:09] immigrant from Mexico. Like the family of Megan Boss, found dead in Illinois in April of 2025. [1:27:15] Her body was discovered in a storage container. The suspect was an undocumented illegal immigrant [1:27:20] from Mexico. Like the family of Ivory Smith, age 7, who was killed in a car crash by a Venezuelan [1:27:27] national in Texas in 2024. Like the family of Christopher Babcock, age 62, a husband killed in a [1:27:34] car crash in Colorado, by a Mexican national, who had been released into the country in 2024. [1:27:41] Like the family of Hallie Hagelson, age 18, and Brady Heiling, age 19, both killed in a [1:27:47] 2025 car crash in Wisconsin by a Honduran national. The family of Melissa Powell, age 47, and her son [1:27:55] Riordan, age 16, killed in a 2024 car crash in Colorado caused by an undocumented immigrant [1:28:01] from Honduras. Like the family of Karen Dodd, who was killed in a car crash in Colorado, by a [1:28:04] Simon, who died in June of 2025 following a Molotov cocktail attack at a pro-Israel [1:28:10] event in Colorado. [1:28:11] The suspect was an Egyptian national living on U.S. soil on an expired visa. [1:28:16] Like the family of Aurelio Zunio-Orbez, a taxi cab driver in New York who was strangled [1:28:21] to death in December of 2025 by a Guatemalan national over a fare dispute, and the family [1:28:27] of an 11-year-old girl in Georgia who was raped in early 2026 by an undocumented immigrant [1:28:34] who also held her 10-year-old sister at knife point, and finally, the family of Brad Kastner, [1:28:41] a competitive four-wheeler racing champion from Holton, Indiana, in my district, who [1:28:46] was killed on March 26, 2024 in a head-on collision near Seymour, Indiana, while on [1:28:51] his way to work. [1:28:53] The driver of the other vehicle was a 26-year-old undocumented immigrant with a history of driving [1:28:57] without a license. [1:28:57] These are the people that ICE are fighting for. [1:29:02] These are the people that they're doing very difficult jobs, and they deserve to be paid [1:29:07] too. [1:29:08] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:29:10] I yield back. [1:29:11] They're being paid. [1:29:13] They're being paid. [1:29:14] Being paid. [1:29:16] Ms. Delora. [1:29:17] Sorry, Mr. Chairman, but- [1:29:18] Please. [1:29:19] Ms. Delora. [1:29:20] No. [1:29:21] Facts are facts. [1:29:22] Ms. Ledger-Fernandez. [1:29:23] You're recognized. [1:29:24] Facts are facts. [1:29:25] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:29:26] And I think that what is really clear about what we're doing today. [1:29:31] Because the points that would have been made. [1:29:33] The Senate unanimously passed a bill that would fund TSA, fully fund TSA, fully fund [1:29:43] the Coast Guard, fully fund FEMA, make sure that all of that work is done. [1:29:48] And there is a decision made in the House to not bring it to the floor. [1:29:54] So everybody on this panel who votes for this continuing resolution rule is basically going [1:30:03] to be voting- [1:30:04] To keep all of that shut down. [1:30:07] And one of your own members said in your caucus, if we're to be believed since none of our [1:30:12] calls or conferences are ever private, that the shutdown is going to be on Republicans. [1:30:19] And indeed it will be. [1:30:20] And you will be voting for that because you know that the Senate's gone. [1:30:25] You know that this will keep things closed. [1:30:30] And I want to remind everybody that we've already gone through this. [1:30:34] Last- [1:30:35] A few days ago. [1:30:36] Three days ago. [1:30:37] I read Representative Jack's words on the floor where he said that this doesn't have [1:30:47] anything to do about funding for CBP or ICE because they've already been funded under [1:30:52] the big, beautiful bill. [1:30:54] I asked Chairman Cole, do you agree with that? [1:30:57] And he said, yes, they have been substantially funded. [1:31:00] So this isn't about funding what ICE might be doing. [1:31:05] It is about keeping TSA. [1:31:07] Okay. [1:31:08] Right? [1:31:11] Without pay. [1:31:12] And all of those other agencies without pay. [1:31:16] That's what you are doing. [1:31:17] That is what you are doing. [1:31:19] And I'm going to also quote from the chair. [1:31:23] I asked him is if we pass Rosa DeLauro's bill, which was introduced 44 days ago, this isn't [1:31:29] something that is new. [1:31:30] How long ago? [1:31:31] Am I correct? [1:31:32] Was it 44 days? [1:31:33] Forty-five days. [1:31:34] Forty-five. [1:31:35] Sorry. [1:31:36] It's been 45 days. [1:31:37] This is not dead in the night. [1:31:38] We haven't seen before. [1:31:39] If we could fund TSA, FEMA, and Coast Guard. [1:31:40] Immediately. [1:31:42] Is there support for that? [1:31:46] Chairman Cole said I don't know. [1:31:49] I don't know that it would pass the Senate. [1:31:54] If you are asking me if it can pass the House, I certainly believe it can. [1:31:58] Close quote. [1:31:59] So, that's the issue. [1:32:01] We know that if you brought this bill to the floor, there would be your Republican colleagues [1:32:06] who care enough about what's happening to their citizens, to their constituents that [1:32:15] they vote for it. [1:32:16] That is what we're thinking. [1:32:18] But I want to say, I love, I don't know if you've noticed, [1:32:20] but they're no longer saying the Big Beautiful Bill, right? [1:32:24] It's no longer the Big Beautiful Bill. [1:32:25] That was the title of it. [1:32:28] But Americans were so upset about how [1:32:30] that Big Beautiful Bill transferred money [1:32:34] to the wealthy and the well-off and the billionaires [1:32:38] and the big corporations that Republicans [1:32:40] changed the name of it. [1:32:41] Because people hated the fact that the Big Beautiful Bill did [1:32:45] all those really bad things. [1:32:46] It was big, but it was big bad, right? [1:32:50] It was big bad. [1:32:51] And so they had to change it. [1:32:53] And the reality is those tax cuts for tips, no taxes on tips, [1:33:00] it's temporary. [1:33:03] Ranking member, are the tax cuts for the wealthy, [1:33:06] are they temporary? [1:33:07] No, those are permanent. [1:33:08] $4.5 trillion of the blink of an eye. [1:33:11] $4.5 trillion. [1:33:12] And it's OK. [1:33:12] The $1 trillion and the cuts to Medicaid, whoa. [1:33:17] And then the thing is, it's [1:33:20] because Americans don't like, none of what we are asking for [1:33:23] would address ICE arresting those who have [1:33:26] engaged in unlawful activity. [1:33:29] Our 10 items are about should they [1:33:31] be breaking down your door without a warrant? [1:33:35] Should they be deporting citizens? [1:33:37] Should they be arresting citizens? [1:33:39] Another conversation I had with Chairman Coal, [1:33:41] he doesn't think they should be detaining Native Americans. [1:33:44] We agree on that. [1:33:45] They shouldn't be detaining citizens. [1:33:46] But I'm going to yield a few minutes to our right. [1:33:49] No. [1:33:49] I just want to, because I want to respond to Ms. Houchin, who [1:33:52] left after she gave her, read her speech. [1:33:55] But when she talked about the big beautiful bill [1:33:57] and how great it was for regular people, according to JCT, [1:34:02] people who make over $1 million a year [1:34:05] will get their pockets lined. [1:34:07] On average, these millionaires will [1:34:09] have an additional $96,400 per year, or $264 per day. [1:34:15] And pennies for everybody else. [1:34:16] For those earning less than $50,000 per year, [1:34:18] the average benefit is $200,000. [1:34:19] That's $147, or $0.68 per day. [1:34:24] A laughable sum that won't even begin [1:34:26] to cover the gaps from Republican deep cuts [1:34:29] to essential programs and as a result of Trump's tariff tax. [1:34:34] And I just also want to say, I'm listening to my colleagues. [1:34:37] And look, I think we don't share the same values. [1:34:41] I heard the gentlelady talk about why [1:34:45] we need to continue to fund ICE without any checks, [1:34:48] without any reforms. [1:34:50] But we're expressing our concern here [1:34:53] because we remember Renee Good and Alex [1:34:57] who got shot at point blank by federal agents of the United [1:35:01] States government. [1:35:03] And we are moved to fight for reforms [1:35:06] because we talked to US citizens who are unjustly detained. [1:35:11] People who have had their front doors broken down by ICE agents [1:35:15] without a warrant, without a judicial warrant. [1:35:18] Yeah. [1:35:19] I mean, people who have been mistreated, [1:35:20] children who have been mistreated. [1:35:22] We don't believe that that's what the United States of America [1:35:25] is about. [1:35:26] And we believe we can do better. [1:35:28] And the idea that we, you want to talk [1:35:30] about how we move forward? [1:35:32] The Senate gave us away, and you're just blowing it. [1:35:35] You're blowing it because what? [1:35:37] The Freedom Caucus or whatever is using their leverage, [1:35:41] not for votes, but to deny members of the House [1:35:44] the ability to vote on things. [1:35:46] You know, that's just not the way [1:35:48] this place is supposed to run. [1:35:49] I yield back. [1:35:50] Thank you. [1:35:51] And I would also point out that I [1:35:54] find it incredibly hypocritical when [1:35:57] we start listing issues with regards [1:36:03] to sexual violence and sexual assaults, [1:36:07] given this administration's record. [1:36:11] And it's not just the Epstein files [1:36:13] and that they have refused to release [1:36:15] half of those Epstein files. [1:36:17] And we know who's in those Epstein files [1:36:19] over and over and over again, and that there was a 13-year-old, [1:36:24] who was raped and beaten, right? [1:36:29] But at least 33 of the pardons that Trump issued [1:36:36] following January 6th had other criminal charges. [1:36:41] We've had some of those pardons be convicted afterwards [1:36:46] for egregious pedophilia and rape of children. [1:36:51] Six for child sex crimes, two fatal reckless driving, [1:36:55] and two rapes. [1:36:59] But none of the reforms that we're going through, [1:37:02] we're going for, would address ICE doing its job with regards [1:37:09] to those who are engaging in lawful activity. [1:37:13] What we don't want them doing is beating up people [1:37:18] because they look brown or they're Native American, [1:37:21] maybe look Latino. [1:37:23] That's what we say as well. [1:37:29] Ranking member DeLauro, isn't that what we are fighting for? [1:37:34] It's absolutely. [1:37:35] I mean, that is what the overhaul is about. [1:37:38] That's the reality. [1:37:39] We mourn all of the cases that have been brought up, [1:37:45] mourn the tragedy of loss of life. [1:37:48] But there's loss of life in terms of, you know, [1:37:52] Rene Good and Alex Preti. [1:37:53] There's no one. [1:37:55] They were immediately classified as terrorists, you know, [1:37:59] in a nanosecond without any understanding of what happened. [1:38:03] We all mourn the loss of life, and to go after those who have [1:38:09] perpetrated these crimes and, you know, and deport them, [1:38:13] do what needs to be done. [1:38:15] But we know the evidence is, there's so much of it [1:38:20] that talks about the inequities that have been applied [1:38:24] to American citizens, to children, [1:38:27] to people who speak a different language, [1:38:29] to people whose color of their skin is different, [1:38:32] just based on some, just plucked off the street, [1:38:35] sent to a detention camp. [1:38:37] Families don't know where they are. [1:38:39] That's real. [1:38:40] We're not making that up in the same way I don't believe [1:38:43] that Ms. Hodgson is making up what she talked about. [1:38:46] That's not right. [1:38:47] But what's happening here is not right, [1:38:49] which is why we need to address that. [1:38:53] And that is what is absent here, [1:38:56] the willingness to address the transgressions [1:39:00] that are being made by these agencies, [1:39:03] which we have an obligation and a moral responsibility [1:39:06] to deal with. [1:39:07] And that same moral responsibility [1:39:09] to say we are going to make sure that TSA people [1:39:14] and Coast Guard and FEMA and cyber security, [1:39:17] those issues need to be addressed. [1:39:21] That is what we are doing. [1:39:22] That is what we had hoped would come forward [1:39:26] that came from the Senate in a unanimous way, [1:39:33] getting done various differences that we have [1:39:38] on these other issues. [1:39:39] And we know that you can hammer out differences [1:39:42] in this institution. [1:39:44] We have done that before. [1:39:46] We did it with 11 appropriations bill. [1:39:48] We can do this if there is the will and the goodwill [1:39:53] to say we can't allow some of these things to happen. [1:39:56] And that's why if we take off these areas [1:39:59] where there isn't any debate, [1:40:03] and then you guys go and negotiate, [1:40:05] negotiate the four corners. [1:40:06] And once again, I'm going to say it again, [1:40:08] because these are the words, [1:40:09] I'm going to quote the words of Representative Jack, [1:40:12] on the floor. [1:40:14] He said, open quote, this debate is not about funding ISOCBP. [1:40:18] Those agencies were already fully funded through H.O.1, [1:40:23] the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, close quote. [1:40:28] So I'm going to anticipate we're now going to hear, oh, no, no, [1:40:31] but we have to do it. [1:40:32] But they were funded. [1:40:33] They have the money, $50 billion, $70 billion, $140 billion. [1:40:35] They have the money. [1:40:37] Before we give them more money, let's [1:40:39] make sure that they are not violating basic, [1:40:43] constitutional rights, that they are following [1:40:46] the same procedures that my sheriffs, my police are [1:40:51] following in New Mexico. [1:40:52] And I asked last week whether Chairman Cole's sheriffs [1:40:56] and officers were following basic procedures of warrants [1:41:01] and wearing masks. [1:41:03] And I asked you, everybody expects that. [1:41:07] Today, what we are voting on today [1:41:10] is whether you are going to go home and tell people [1:41:15] on your line, I voted to fund TSA, FEMA, and Coast Guard. [1:41:21] That's the vote today, not whatever [1:41:23] happened three weeks ago. [1:41:25] That's the vote today. [1:41:26] And you're going to vote for it. [1:41:27] And I hope we get four Republicans who [1:41:30] have the courage to stand up for their constituents, [1:41:33] for their TSA agents, and vote with us on the motion [1:41:38] to move the previous question. [1:41:41] Because if we get that, we will vote on the Senate bill. [1:41:44] There is an opportunity. [1:41:46] Republicans, reach out to us. [1:41:48] Vote with us. [1:41:49] Join us in fully funding FEMA, Coast Guard, cybersecurity. [1:41:54] You can do it. [1:41:55] You can do it today. [1:41:56] You can vote with us today. [1:41:58] But the money isn't there is in appropriations. [1:42:01] The money and the reconciliation has not been dealt. [1:42:04] With that, with that, with that, with that, if there is no other, [1:42:09] I am the last Democrat. [1:42:11] Do you want? [1:42:12] Yeah, you've got two, three, four, five Republicans [1:42:15] that still have to speak. [1:42:16] And I don't know why we can't. [1:42:18] Wait a minute. [1:42:18] You could have. [1:42:18] No, I was just, Ms. DeLauro. [1:42:20] I hadn't asked her a question. [1:42:22] I will ask her a final question. [1:42:23] Representative, Ranking Member DeLauro, [1:42:25] do you have a quick summary that you want to share with us? [1:42:28] Look, I'll just say the issue is the money [1:42:30] through the Appropriations Committee. [1:42:32] I don't approve. [1:42:33] I voted against the reconciliation bill, [1:42:35] the big, beautiful, whatever the hell you want to call it. [1:42:38] But that is not being challenged. [1:42:40] And in that bill, there is substantial amount of money, [1:42:43] 75 ICE, 65 CBP, $10 billion in the slush fund. [1:42:48] They have plenty of money to do what they want to do [1:42:50] and to exercise the jurisdiction that they have, et cetera. [1:42:54] And get out of the airports, go do your job, [1:42:58] and let's get these other folks paid in the meantime. [1:43:01] And with that, Madam Chair, I am Langworthy. [1:43:11] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:43:12] I am not going to belabor this hearing anymore, [1:43:14] because I'm pretty sure anyone watching at home, [1:43:18] it sounds about like the teacher on Charlie Brown at this point. [1:43:23] You know, to listen to our colleagues trying to define [1:43:25] the terms of debate and say that, you know, [1:43:27] they're on the side of the angels, [1:43:28] when just yesterday they withheld their votes [1:43:31] for the critical funding of these departments, [1:43:33] I think is very hypocritical. [1:43:37] Chairman Cole, do you have any responses [1:43:40] to any of what we've just heard? [1:43:41] I'm sure he does. [1:43:44] Probably better delivered over a cigar and with a stiff bourbon. [1:43:47] So come down and see me sometime. [1:43:51] But look, this is... [1:43:53] I obviously have a different view on this. [1:43:54] I hold in my position that the appropriate thing to do [1:43:59] is fund the government, and fully fund it, [1:44:02] and not to pick and choose which agencies you like. [1:44:05] I don't see how you can ever write appropriations bills [1:44:08] if it's done that way. [1:44:11] And I think most of the additional funding that is available [1:44:14] and that has been, has been diverted from something else. [1:44:17] That's the point. [1:44:18] It was not there for this purpose. [1:44:20] There was always an assumption the day-to-day operations, [1:44:23] that these agencies would be funded through regular order. [1:44:26] These were things like extras, [1:44:28] like the border wall, or technology, [1:44:31] or a lot of things like that. [1:44:32] But regardless, it's just better to work [1:44:34] through the regular order. [1:44:36] We better work through the regular order. [1:44:41] We've passed it here, the Democrats in the Senate. [1:44:44] We have a majority in the Senate. [1:44:46] People seem to lose that fact, a bipartisan majority. [1:44:50] And the only thing standing in the way, [1:44:52] and I'm never critical of this, look, filibuster's, [1:44:55] none of my business. [1:44:56] I'd run for the United States Senate if I cared about it. [1:44:59] It does impact what happens. [1:45:01] And so, you know, a minority in both houses [1:45:05] are deliberately stopping the day-to-day operation [1:45:08] of government, a minority. [1:45:10] And the only reason, they couldn't get away with it [1:45:12] in this House because we're majority rule. [1:45:15] Senate has a different approach. [1:45:18] That's their rule. [1:45:19] And the Republicans feel very strongly about that. [1:45:21] They think it protects minority rights. [1:45:23] I would say this has been an abuse of minority [1:45:25] power consistently throughout the appropriations process [1:45:29] by the United States Senate. [1:45:30] And why? [1:45:31] Because when Senator Schumer did the right thing, [1:45:34] an FY24 bill, and accepted a CR rather than the shutdown, [1:45:39] he just got the political stuffings beaten out of him [1:45:43] by the Democrats, led by House Democrats, I must say. [1:45:47] And so now we see a very different behavior. [1:45:51] And I think we see one that is not constructive, [1:45:54] that led to the longest [1:45:55] shutdown in American history and produced no results. [1:45:59] If there was any results, it had to be political. [1:46:02] That must be what my friend felt about it [1:46:04] because it didn't change one thing. [1:46:05] And now we're seeing the same thing play out here again. [1:46:09] So, you know, I regret that, but I'm proud [1:46:12] that we got 95% of the government funded. [1:46:15] And that was done with my friend's cooperation here [1:46:18] at this table and other, many other Democrats as well. [1:46:21] Most of those are not. [1:46:22] I think that's what we should do here. [1:46:25] I don't think that's what we should do here. [1:46:25] I think this is an appropriate use of leverage. [1:46:27] And I also would just add parenthetically, [1:46:30] I don't think smearing an entire group of people, [1:46:34] 95, 98, 99% of whom are federal law enforcement officials [1:46:40] trying to do the right thing is ever the right thing to do. [1:46:42] I don't think comparing American law enforcement, [1:46:46] I've heard some people do, to the Gestapo or the SS [1:46:49] is ever the right thing to do. [1:46:52] And if mistakes were made, my goodness, [1:46:54] the president has changed. [1:46:55] He's had leadership at the department. [1:46:57] He's negotiated seriously, made numerous changes [1:47:01] and what have you. [1:47:02] It seems to me it doesn't matter what he says. [1:47:05] They simply won't accept yes. [1:47:07] It's never, ever enough. [1:47:10] And this is more about politics than it is about change. [1:47:13] That's my view. [1:47:14] I know other people have a different view. [1:47:16] I accept that and respect that. [1:47:18] Heel back. [1:47:19] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield back. [1:47:22] Thank you, Mr. Langworthy. [1:47:24] Mr. Scott, you're recognized. [1:47:27] Thank you, Madam Chair. [1:47:28] I want to bring this back to the subject matter at hand, [1:47:31] which is H.R. 7147. [1:47:34] I mean, that's what we're discussing, is it not, Mr. Cole? [1:47:39] And on January 22nd of this year, [1:47:43] the House voted 220 to 207 to pass that measure, [1:47:48] with seven Democrats voting yes and one Republican voting no, [1:47:53] according to the call-off. [1:48:00] There have since then been multiple votes in the Senate, [1:48:05] 52 to 47. [1:48:06] So the majority voted in favor of the piece of legislation [1:48:10] coming to the floor, where it would no doubt pass, [1:48:15] if the vote were allowed to come to the floor in the Senate. [1:48:17] 50 to 45, 51 to 45, 51 to 46, 47 to 37, [1:48:24] and then most recently, which was yesterday, 53 to 47. [1:48:31] So the majority of the senators voted yes [1:48:34] on the same piece of legislation that had passed the House, [1:48:38] 220 to 207. [1:48:39] And at least procedurally to bring the vote to the floor. [1:48:42] So if we want to talk about procedure [1:48:43] and about how democracy is supposed to work, [1:48:46] the majority of the people in the House and the Senate [1:48:50] are in favor of passing H.R. 7147. [1:48:57] Is that a fair statement, Mr. Cole? [1:48:59] Yes, it is. [1:49:03] Now, there were four members on the floor last night, [1:49:08] plus Mr. Marino, who was presiding. [1:49:13] Now, I'll give him a little bit of a pass, [1:49:14] because he's presiding. [1:49:15] And typically, the presiding officer [1:49:17] doesn't offer objections or motions. [1:49:20] They simply rule over the procedure. [1:49:22] But the other four members, Eric Schmidt, John Thune, Brian [1:49:27] Schatz, and Andy Kim. [1:49:30] Interestingly enough, Andy Kim is the one I know best. [1:49:33] And I like Andy. [1:49:33] I think he's an honest person. [1:49:36] I disagree with him politically on a lot of things. [1:49:39] But I want to read you what Andy Kim said at 3 AM. [1:49:43] And let me back up. [1:49:45] The bill, this was not yesterday morning. [1:49:47] This was this morning. [1:49:48] And my understanding, Mr. Cole, is [1:49:50] that the language was not actually [1:49:53] introduced until after midnight today, which [1:49:57] would be this morning, correct? [1:49:59] I think that is correct. [1:50:01] And so somewhere between midnight, [1:50:03] because it says it was introduced on the 27th, [1:50:06] and 2 AM, it was somewhere in the 2.10 AM range. [1:50:11] Do we know exactly what time the non-vote happened, 2.10, 2.30? [1:50:17] 2.20, I think. [1:50:18] 2.20? [1:50:19] Is that what you're saying? [1:50:20] Is that what you said, ma'am? [1:50:20] OK, I'll accept that. [1:50:22] Somewhere in that range. [1:50:23] But the language was not actually introduced on the 26th. [1:50:27] It was introduced on the 27th. [1:50:30] And then less than 2 and 1 half hours later, it was adopted. [1:50:36] There was no roll call vote on it. [1:50:39] There was no roll call vote from the Senate. [1:50:42] Now, if there had been a roll call vote, [1:50:45] I would be more willing to have a discussion on procedure [1:50:50] and other things. [1:50:51] But let me read what Mr. Kim said. [1:50:54] Just leaving the Capitol now at 3 AM, [1:50:56] as I wanted to be on the Senate floor [1:50:58] through final passage of the vote to end the shutdown. [1:51:02] As we promised, there was no funding for ICE [1:51:05] without the reforms Americans demanded. [1:51:08] TSA and our airports fully funded. [1:51:12] TSA and our airports fully funded, zero for ICE. [1:51:16] So zero funding for ICE. [1:51:18] So this piece of legislation strips all of the funding [1:51:22] for ICE out. [1:51:24] It also strips the funding for Customs. [1:51:25] Customs and Border Patrol. [1:51:27] Is that an accurate statement, Mr. Cole? [1:51:28] I believe that is an accurate statement. [1:51:31] And that is not what the majority [1:51:36] of the members of Congress want. [1:51:38] Is that also an accurate statement, Mr. Cole? [1:51:40] That would be my assessment as well. [1:51:44] The majority of the members of Congress in the House, [1:51:47] 220 to 207, have voted to fund DHS, including ICE and Customs [1:51:53] and Border Patrol. [1:51:55] But the general appeal from the- [1:51:57] Just a second. [1:51:57] I will give you a second, Ms. Laura, out of respect for you. [1:51:59] I will give you a second. [1:52:00] Thank you very much. [1:52:01] But the majority of members of the House, 220 to 207, [1:52:03] voted to fund, voted to pass HR 7147, [1:52:08] which is what we're talking about here. [1:52:10] The majority of the members of the Senate want to pass it. [1:52:15] But Senator Schumer won't allow the vote to come to the floor. [1:52:19] And so we're left with the option [1:52:21] of sending a continuing resolution. [1:52:24] President Trump has said he's gonna fund, [1:52:26] gonna make sure TSA agents get paid, and he should. [1:52:29] But I just wanna, you know, for the record, [1:52:31] for the American citizens to know, [1:52:34] the vast majority of the members of Congress [1:52:36] have voted for 7147, or voted to allow it [1:52:41] to come to the Senate. [1:52:43] And it is the Democrats on procedure [1:52:44] that are stopping the bill from moving forward, [1:52:47] where it would fund ICE and Customs and Border Patrol. [1:52:51] And there was an agreement before we sent it across to them. [1:52:56] And then they turned around and went back [1:52:58] on the agreement in the Senate. [1:53:00] Senate Democrats, that's correct. [1:53:02] Yes, Senate Democrats. [1:53:03] And Senate Republicans. [1:53:04] Senate Republicans absolutely capitulated last night. [1:53:08] I don't wanna make any bones about it. [1:53:09] This idea that we can fund TSA and Border Patrol [1:53:13] through reconciliation, if we had done reconciliation first, [1:53:16] you could make that argument. [1:53:17] But no Senate Republican should be making the argument [1:53:21] that we could do something through reconciliation [1:53:23] that has not already been done. [1:53:25] I would say predicting that is a high-risk endeavor. [1:53:31] So yeah, I don't think relying on something [1:53:35] that hasn't happened to replace funding [1:53:38] that you're taking away is something you can count on. [1:53:41] Ma'am, I am a minute and 15 seconds past. [1:53:44] If you can answer in 30 seconds, I'll yield it to you. [1:53:47] I'll be very happy to do that. [1:53:48] Again, the funding for ICE and CBP, [1:53:54] and I'll get back to CBP in a moment, [1:53:56] there is, that's right, there is, that was removed. [1:54:01] There is no removal or no difference, there was no, [1:54:05] there was no attack on the reconciliation bill [1:54:07] that already passed, that provided the billions of, [1:54:10] now let me just tell you about the- [1:54:11] But you removed the ordinary funding. [1:54:13] Well, we removed the appropriations funding, [1:54:15] as we said, until- That's right. [1:54:17] Until, yeah, until- Removed the appropriations funding. [1:54:19] Until they were worked out [1:54:21] in terms of where we're going on ICE. [1:54:23] Now, CBP, just let me correct the record for you, [1:54:25] because I think you would like to know this. [1:54:27] There's $11 billion in that bill for CBP, [1:54:31] and that is to deal with the inspection of imported goods. [1:54:34] There's- [1:54:35] The money for duties, taxes, and other fees, [1:54:38] the seizing dollars for seizing pounds of illicit drugs, [1:54:41] fentanyl, currency coming into our country. [1:54:44] It is about taking care of the 1.21 million people [1:54:47] coming through air, land, and seaports of entry, [1:54:51] intercepting shipments produced with forced labor. [1:54:54] So there is $11 billion in the Senate bill for CBP, [1:55:00] just so that you know and understand it. [1:55:02] I'm not making it up, you know- [1:55:04] I'm not, I'm not questioning you. [1:55:05] I'm not questioning your integrity, ma'am. [1:55:06] I'm just telling you, the vast- [1:55:07] the majority of the members of Congress have voted for 7147 [1:55:12] with Customs and Border Patrol and ICE funded. [1:55:16] I yield back. [1:55:17] Thank you, and Mr. Lohr, [1:55:18] thank you for giving us the specific [1:55:22] that have been funded there. [1:55:24] Mr. Griffith, you are recognized. [1:55:29] Thank you, Madam Chair, I greatly appreciate it, [1:55:31] and I intend to vote in favor of what we're doing here [1:55:36] in the Rules Committee, and then later on, [1:55:38] on the floor. [1:55:39] It is interesting to me that, and it was foreseen in the past, [1:55:44] we get into these huge fights, we've had several [1:55:47] in this committee today, Madam Chair, [1:55:50] about what the Senate is or isn't going to do. [1:55:55] And in Jefferson's Manual of Parliamentary Practice [1:55:57] and Procedure, and for many years in the rules of this House, [1:56:00] one was not to mention the actions of the Senate [1:56:03] or the other body, and the Senate had the same rule [1:56:05] on the House actions, in debate. [1:56:08] And this is the very reason, because we have, you know, [1:56:10] we have a lot of work to do, and we have a lot of work to do, [1:56:10] and we have a lot of work to do, and we have a lot of work to do, [1:56:10] and we have a lot of work to do, and we have a lot of work to do, [1:56:10] and we have a lot of work to do, because we have [1:56:12] because we have [1:56:13] because we have a bicameral legislature, two Houses. [1:56:16] And the purpose of that is that each House [1:56:19] is to make an independent decision. [1:56:24] So, arguing that we should do something [1:56:27] because the Senate did something violates the very tenets [1:56:31] of why we have two Houses. [1:56:33] If we wanted to be like Indonesia, [1:56:35] where we had two Houses, but on the major issues to vote, [1:56:38] they came together to vote together on the big issues, [1:56:42] then we should go [1:56:43] to an Indonesian hybrid model, [1:56:46] or we should go and just have a unicameral legislature. [1:56:51] But we have a bicameral legislature, [1:56:53] and I'm making an independent decision, [1:56:55] notwithstanding whatever the Senate may have done [1:56:57] in the dark of night or otherwise. [1:56:59] And I can talk about how we debated in this committee [1:57:01] for more than, for almost 24 hours on the bill they talked [1:57:05] about from last July, but I'm making an independent decision. [1:57:11] And I think that looking at the facts [1:57:15] before me as a member of the House [1:57:19] and exercising the precepts of Jefferson's manual, [1:57:24] that I will vote according to my conscience [1:57:28] and according to what this House, I think, [1:57:31] ought to be doing, and not worry [1:57:32] about whatever the Senate may or may not have done. [1:57:36] I yield back. [1:57:37] Would the gentleman yield for one quick question? [1:57:40] So, then you agree with Chairman Cole when he said, [1:57:45] and I put an asterisk, [1:57:46] beside it, the House and Senate have an equal say in legislation? [1:57:52] Absolutely. [1:57:54] Absolutely an equal say. [1:57:55] And we're supposed to look at it a little bit differently. [1:57:57] We're not supposed to walk monolithically one [1:58:01] with the other. [1:58:01] We're supposed to have a different viewpoint. [1:58:04] And tonight, we have a different viewpoint. [1:58:08] And do you remember my mentioning [1:58:10] to you the other day that the Senate is called the upper body [1:58:15] only because they were on the second floor [1:58:18] in New York? [1:58:21] Yes, ma'am. [1:58:21] And Madam Chairman, if I might, [1:58:23] I would say that you at one point said something about, [1:58:27] you know, me being the historian. [1:58:29] That was a fact I did not know. [1:58:31] And so, I was educated by the chairwoman in regard [1:58:34] to the history of the so-called upper body. [1:58:37] I always wondered how, because as the representatives closest [1:58:41] to the people, I've always felt like we were the superior body. [1:58:44] Amen. [1:58:44] Agreed. [1:58:45] That's one thing we all agree on. [1:58:47] We all agree on that. [1:58:48] Chairman, would he be in favor [1:58:50] of different? [1:58:50] Yes. [1:58:50] Different viewpoints being represented in the rule? [1:58:52] Or is it just his view that can be brought to the floor [1:58:55] and everybody else's is cut out? [1:58:59] It's a question. [1:59:00] I'm not sure. [1:59:01] I don't understand it. [1:59:02] I understand the question, but I didn't yield my time [1:59:05] for a question. [1:59:06] Oh, I thought you did. [1:59:07] No. [1:59:07] The question was whether or not that the rule will represent [1:59:10] different view, whether it will be only his viewpoint that [1:59:13] will be represented in the rule. [1:59:15] And I can answer, Madam Chair, even though I did not yield time [1:59:19] to the gentleman to ask me a question. [1:59:21] But I'm happy to answer the question nonetheless. [1:59:23] And the answer is. [1:59:24] Is that the rule represents the will of the majority. [1:59:27] If I'm in the majority today, then the rule [1:59:30] will reflect my will. [1:59:32] If I'm in the minority tomorrow, the rule [1:59:35] will not reflect my will. [1:59:36] So it's not about my will. [1:59:37] It's about the principles of our democratic republic, which [1:59:41] rely on majoritarian rule. [1:59:43] And tonight, I believe we're going to have the majority. [1:59:46] Madam Chair, if I could just. [1:59:47] I mean, the gentleman claims he's a historian. [1:59:50] If you look at the history of the United States House of [1:59:54] Representatives, it hasn't always [1:59:55] been my way or the highway. [1:59:57] We have had situations where other people's viewpoints, [2:00:01] even in the minority, have been allowed to have [2:00:04] been debated and voted on. [2:00:06] So I mean, I don't believe this absolutism [2:00:09] that you just outlined is what this is about. [2:00:12] It is the tenet of our, I would say, Madam Chairman, [2:00:16] that it is the tenet of our basic government [2:00:19] that we have majoritarian rule. [2:00:20] There are times when the majority determines that it is [2:00:24] appropriate to do things where you let members have a minority [2:00:28] report or they get their time on the floor, which is absolutely [2:00:31] appropriate and fine. [2:00:33] But it is a majority rule body, and that's the way we've been [2:00:36] set up since the beginning of the nation. [2:00:39] And that's why I stand on those principles, because it is what [2:00:43] has led our country to be the greatest country on Earth. [2:00:49] Thank you, Mr. Griffith. [2:00:51] Mr. Jack, you're recognized. [2:00:53] Thank you, Chairwoman. [2:00:54] And Chairman Cole, I agree with you. [2:00:56] It's obviously very political with what we're dealing, [2:00:58] and I think that Leader Schumer is very afraid of his base, [2:01:01] and that's why we continue to find ourselves [2:01:03] in the positions that we do. [2:01:04] But just in closing this out, I would ask you, [2:01:07] some members of this committee tried to frame this vote [2:01:10] or frame a vote on ordering the previous question. [2:01:13] I would welcome for you framing for the audience [2:01:16] and the thousands of people watching online. [2:01:19] What is the vote this afternoon, this evening, [2:01:22] when we take the vote? [2:01:23] And if you're voting against this continuing resolution, [2:01:26] what are you voting against? [2:01:27] Well, if you're voting against the continuing resolution, [2:01:30] you're voting to shut down the government or these agencies [2:01:34] that are affected by this continuing resolution. [2:01:36] A number of agencies have already been fully funded [2:01:39] and not contested here, but specifically, [2:01:41] the Department of Homeland Security. [2:01:43] If you vote against this, you're voting not to fund it. [2:01:47] You're voting to shut it down. [2:01:49] I think that's very unwise. [2:01:52] You can have complaints. [2:01:53] You can have differences. [2:01:55] But we all know. [2:01:56] Ninety-five percent of what this agency does [2:02:00] is noncontroversial, is nonpartisan, [2:02:03] is protecting American citizens. [2:02:05] And it's almost, you know, in an agency this large, [2:02:12] is everybody an angel? [2:02:14] Probably not. [2:02:15] But are almost everybody really dedicated patriots [2:02:19] who make a great sacrifice for this country [2:02:22] and put themselves at risk for this country? [2:02:24] Absolutely so. [2:02:26] And if we haven't done that, [2:02:27] if we have a bad actor, we make a mistake, [2:02:29] we do an investigation, we make a correction, [2:02:31] we don't shut down a whole agency. [2:02:34] And we certainly don't shut it down [2:02:36] at the height of international danger, [2:02:38] where we're involved in military activity overseas [2:02:42] against a known sponsor, [2:02:45] the largest sponsor of state terrorism in 50 years. [2:02:48] And we know there are people that come in this country. [2:02:52] Ms. Houchin gave a long list of people where, [2:02:57] you know, Americans have been damaged [2:02:59] by the policies pursued by the last administration [2:03:01] that let a lot of people in here, [2:03:03] and without adequate vetting and screening, [2:03:06] and then gets in the way of trying to apprehend those people [2:03:08] and get them out of the country. [2:03:10] So again, I don't doubt anybody's sincerity in this debate, [2:03:14] whatever their position is, [2:03:17] but it is a point, and several of you have made it. [2:03:20] Look, a majority of both chambers have voted repeatedly [2:03:23] to fund the government. [2:03:25] This is a matter of minority in the House [2:03:27] and a majority in the Senate, [2:03:29] obstructing the majority in both chambers. [2:03:31] They can only do that. [2:03:33] The Constitution doesn't say you get to do this. [2:03:35] The law doesn't say, but Senate rules do. [2:03:39] And again, I respect Senate rules. [2:03:42] They have the right to structure their chamber. [2:03:45] But I will say, to solve your problem [2:03:48] and dump it over here in the middle of the night, [2:03:53] is a strange procedure, and then leave town [2:03:58] before anybody can react to it. [2:04:00] Not something I would be proud of [2:04:02] if I were a United States Senator. [2:04:04] I don't think it's the right way to operate, [2:04:06] whether you're Republican or Democrat. [2:04:09] And I think it was a deliberate act to exclude this chamber [2:04:14] from its constitutional prerogatives and authority, [2:04:18] and inappropriately done. [2:04:20] But, you know, others would see it differently, [2:04:22] and that's fair enough. [2:04:25] And I think it's fair to say too, right, [2:04:27] this is a temporary extension [2:04:29] of the 60-day CR. [2:04:31] A vote against this is also a vote against talks. [2:04:33] It's a vote against negotiation. [2:04:34] I think it's like an eight-week CR. [2:04:35] Eight-week CR. [2:04:36] But it's a vote against talks and negotiation [2:04:38] and deliberation, is it not? [2:04:40] I think that is true. [2:04:43] And, you know, I would have hoped [2:04:47] we would take another extension. [2:04:49] There's not often, we quite often have three, four, [2:04:52] five-day extensions if something is worked through. [2:04:54] We should stay and work this through. [2:04:57] And both chambers should do that. [2:04:59] My understanding is that. [2:04:59] My opinion, although, again, we've done our job. [2:05:03] When you've passed it and sent it over there repeatedly, [2:05:06] and then you wait for what comes back. [2:05:09] And nothing came back quite a few times, [2:05:13] and now this has come back, [2:05:14] and the other body sent it back [2:05:16] without even the patience to wait [2:05:18] and see how this body would react to it, [2:05:20] how it would regard it. [2:05:22] That's wrong. [2:05:23] That's no way to govern. [2:05:25] And I think there was a, [2:05:27] I think both parties on the other side were equally guilty [2:05:30] of this, because they both had to cooperate to make it happen. [2:05:34] Madam Chair, I yield back. [2:05:37] Correct, just a quick comment [2:05:40] about correcting the record. [2:05:42] I wish Ms. Houchin were here. [2:05:44] This is very simple. [2:05:46] I've been here for a long time, [2:05:48] and I've been here through shutdowns. [2:05:51] And I think Ms. Houchin said that we don't, you know, [2:05:54] do something like carving out [2:05:57] of a particular function, et cetera, during this time. [2:06:02] I can very readily recall, you know, [2:06:04] in a shutdown where we found that there were, [2:06:08] unless we had our food inspectors going into our meat [2:06:11] and poultry plants every day, that we couldn't produce food. [2:06:15] Therefore, they were carved out. [2:06:18] The same was true of the air traffic controllers. [2:06:20] So the same has been true with the military, [2:06:23] and the same has been true when the Coast Guard, [2:06:28] which is part of DHS, when we felt [2:06:29] that they were being harmed, that they would necessarily [2:06:34] be organized with defense so that they could be paid. [2:06:38] So it is, this is not something that is brand new. [2:06:41] And I think it's just important for the history [2:06:44] of the institution to understand that. [2:06:48] Well, I think what you just described is people being opted [2:06:53] in, not people being opted out. [2:06:55] So thank you very much, Ms. DeLoren. [2:06:59] Thank you, Mr. Jack. [2:07:01] Is there anyone else seeking to testify on the Senate [2:07:04] Amendment to H.R. 7147? [2:07:10] Seeing none, this closes the hearing portion of our meeting. [2:07:16] And I thank our two witnesses for being here. [2:07:19] Madam Chair, I just heard Mr. Jack say [2:07:22] that we're voting tonight. [2:07:24] Is that accurate? [2:07:25] I was about to make an announcement, Mr. Jack. [2:07:27] OK. [2:07:28] Was that in the middle of the night, or when was the vote? [2:07:30] Well, the whip has just announced that we could have [2:07:34] votes as early as 8 p.m. [2:07:36] But please stay tuned to additional updates. [2:07:39] It could be the middle of the night. [2:07:41] And when would we be on the floor? [2:07:44] Because I want to be ready. [2:07:48] Well, can we proceed? [2:07:52] And then we'll get there quicker if you allow us to proceed. [2:08:01] The chair will be in receipt of a motion from the gentlewoman [2:08:05] from Minnesota, Mrs. Fischbach. [2:08:07] Thank you, Madam Chair. [2:08:09] The rule provides that the house shall be considered to have taken [2:08:14] from the speaker's table, H.R. 7147, with the Senate amendment thereto, [2:08:20] and to have concurred in the Senate amendment with an amendment [2:08:23] consisting of the text of the Rules Committee Print 119-21. [2:08:30] Thank you very much, Mrs. Fischbach. [2:08:33] You have now heard the motion. [2:08:34] Is there any discussion or amendment to the rule? [2:08:37] So just a clarification. [2:08:39] So if I'm reading this rule correctly, when we pass the rule, [2:08:44] this will be deemed passed? [2:08:48] No. [2:08:48] We are pass. [2:08:49] We are. [2:08:50] So there's no, there's a debate on the rule, [2:08:54] but no debate on this thing? [2:09:00] Correct. [2:09:02] All right. [2:09:02] Talk about, you know, procedures. [2:09:06] But anyway, I don't want to get into that because anything [2:09:10] the House Republicans do is just perfect and is above reproach. [2:09:14] I mean, give me a break. [2:09:15] OK, Mr. McGovern. [2:09:17] I have an amendment. [2:09:18] I move the committee. [2:09:19] Mr. McGovern, since we seem to have selective memory, [2:09:24] let me remind you that. [2:09:26] During the 117th Congress, House Democrats [2:09:30] deemed 29 items total, including two budget resolutions. [2:09:37] We understand that this is a tool the majority that should [2:09:40] be used only when necessary. [2:09:42] I, I. [2:09:43] We've had extensive time to debate our differences. [2:09:46] We did. [2:09:47] On funding for the Department of Homeland Security. [2:09:52] Pardon me. [2:09:54] It's time we stop holding the over 100,000. [2:09:58] and DHS workers' paychecks hostage. Let's expeditiously pass this continuing resolution [2:10:06] so our homeland offenders can get immediately paid and Congress has more time to come to an [2:10:13] acceptable agreement that will not jeopardize keeping our borders secure and our nation safe. [2:10:23] I appreciate that, Madam Chair, but I have a little whiplash. I think I need a neck brace [2:10:30] from listening to you guys who are complaining about the fact that the Senate didn't have a [2:10:34] record vote on final passage of what they sent to us, and we're going to vote on a rule to deem [2:10:39] something to pass and not have a record vote on the final passage of this continuing resolution. [2:10:45] But anyway, you're in charge. You can do whatever the hell you want to do, [2:10:49] and I have an amendment to the rule. I move the committee strike all after [2:10:54] Congress. [2:10:55] I concurred in the Senate amendment so that the rule hereby concurs with the Senate amendment [2:10:59] without an amendment and sends the bipartisan Senate bill to the President's desk. Madam [2:11:05] Chair, this morning the Senate unanimously passed compromise legislation that would fund [2:11:12] all the law-abiding agencies under the Department of Homeland Security. Not a single senator [2:11:18] objected. Not a single Republican senator objected. There were Republican senators on the floor. [2:11:24] The Senate. [2:11:25] The Senate is controlled by Republicans. This could not have been voted on without the Senate [2:11:29] Majority Leader paving the way for it to be voted on. And he's a Republican. This bipartisan solution [2:11:35] would make sure that TSA employees are paid, FEMA employees are paid, CISA employees are paid, [2:11:42] and our Coast Guard is paid. And if Speaker Johnson would just put the damn bill on the floor [2:11:48] of the House for an up or down vote, we all know it would pass. We could end the shutdown today, [2:11:54] end the long wait times and the chaos across the country's our nation's airports and make sure that [2:12:00] hard-working federal employees can finally finally finally receive their long overdue paychecks [2:12:06] and i'm sure if this was allowed to receive a vote on the floor many many many many republicans [2:12:15] were supported maybe even a couple on this panel that's what this motion does it allows for a vote [2:12:23] on the compromise bill that just passed unanimously uh in a bipartisan way through the [2:12:29] united states senate um and instead of a vote on your partisan two-month cr that we already know [2:12:37] will not become law and it is crazy to me that any so-called reasonable or moderate republican if [2:12:44] there were any left would go along with this extremist plan by speaker johnson that would keep [2:12:50] all of dhs shut down [2:12:53] including tsa and fema we know this is a two-month cr this two-month cr is a stunt [2:13:01] it is a non-starter it will not become law and look i know some of my republican colleagues want [2:13:07] to stop the games and stop the endless partisan politics and just pay these federal workers [2:13:13] and i know that because many of you have told me that in private [2:13:18] earlier this week when i offered a motion specifically on paying tsa agents [2:13:23] congressman langworthy and congresswoman houchen voted with democrats to do that but the rest of [2:13:30] the republicans on the other side of the aisle blocked that bill from even getting a vote on the [2:13:36] house floor now is the time to stand up against far-right extremism and take the deal you know [2:13:46] let's have a vote on the senate bill let's actually do something to help people [2:13:51] rather than to screw them over and so i urge you yes vote on my motion [2:13:55] and i yield back my time [2:14:13] suppose i know no in the opinion chair the no's have it the amendment's not agreed to that sounded [2:14:20] close i'd like to roll mr mcgovern request a roll call vote clerk will call the role [2:14:27] mrs fischbach mrs fischbach votes no mr norman mr roy mrs houchen mr mr roy no mrs houchen [2:14:38] mrs houchen no mr langworthy mr langworthy no mr scott mr scott [2:14:44] no mr griffith no mr griffith no mr jack no mr jack no mr mcgovern aye mr mcgovern aye [2:14:52] ms scanlon ms scanlon aye mr negus mr negus aye ms ledger fernandez ms ledger fernandez aye [2:15:06] madam chair no madam chair no the clerk will report the total four yeas um eight no's the [2:15:17] amendment is not agreed to is there any further discussion or debate [2:15:26] um no further discussion the questions on the motion from the gentleman from minnesota all [2:15:33] those in favor signify by saying aye aye all those opposed say nay no in the opinion chair [2:15:41] the eyes have it the motion is agreed to mr mcgovern requests a roll call the clerk will [2:15:48] call the roll mrs fischbach mrs fischbach aye mr norman mr roy mrs houchen roy mr roy aye mrs houchen [2:16:01] aye mrs houchen aye mr langworthy mr langworthy aye mr scott mr scott aye mr griffith aye mr [2:16:09] griffith aye mr jack mr jack aye mr mcgovern no mr mcgovern no ms scanlon ms scanlon no mr negus [2:16:20] mr negus no ms ledger fernandez ms ledger fernandez no madam chair aye madam chair aye [2:16:28] the clerk will report the total eight yeas four nays the eyes have it the motion to report is agreed to [2:16:37] representative fischbach will manage the rule for the majority [2:16:40] mr mcgovern for the minority without objection the committee is adjourned