Gatchalian bloc Senate Blue Ribbon probe on flood control issue — ANC Special Coverage

[0:00] they sent a letter respectfully declining the invitation on the grounds of parliamentary courtesy [0:08] okay what about the uh 18 uh bodyguards uh concept we have to invite them we have not [0:18] yes we we invited them but we have not received any reply what about uh attorney baligod uh did [0:26] we invite them yes your honor we invited but we have not received any reply uh what about former [0:33] congressman mike defensor did we invite him we did not invite um former congressman mike defensor [0:42] okay come sec so uh with that uh uh we now allow our fellow senators to deliver their opening [0:51] statements if they have any uh what go ahead thank you uh chairperson senator erwin [1:02] uh as earlier noted for the record today's proceedings are being conducted as a consultation [1:12] and organizational meeting rather than a hearing of the committee the purpose is to facilitate the [1:17] orderly transition and continuity of the committee's work pending uh the completion of its reorganization [1:28] and membership and formal constitution of the committee as we proceed with the formal and [1:34] official public consultation meeting of this committee allow us to place on record the [1:39] following and reiterate the following the june 3 session convened by 12 senators was in compliance [1:45] with the constitution the rules of the senate and jurisprudence and 12 being a quorum all acts [1:53] pertaining to the official business of the senate in plenary on june 3 are deemed lawful consistent with [2:00] the constitution including the constitution including the motion to declare all elected positions vacant which [2:07] includes the position of senate president number one number two um the election of senator win [2:15] gachalian as senate president pro temp to address the vacancy in the position of senate president [2:22] is also lawful and consistent with the constitution and number three the election of senator erwin tulfo [2:29] as chairperson of the blue ribbon committee is likewise lawful and consistent with our rules in addition [2:37] the official acts of the senate in plenary last june 3 has been recognized as lawful and consistent [2:43] with the constitution by the office of the president the house of representatives several retired supreme [2:51] court justices deans and eminent professors of law of various law schools nationwide five former senate [3:00] president presidents and no less than the integrated bar of the philippines the largest organization of [3:07] lawyers in the country as such we rate the rate therefore that the so-called blue ribbon committee [3:14] hearing conducted last thursday june 4 was illegal void ab initio ab initio and no binding had no binding [3:25] effect it is in this context that today's public consultation and organizational meeting of the blue ribbon [3:31] committee is being called to order and we hope uh that with this uh proceedings we will be able to [3:41] get to the bottom of the truth behind the allegations uh earlier uh presented thank you mr chairman and [3:49] uh i yield the floor thank you uh senator uh pengelina and we now uh go to uh our acting uh senate [3:57] president uh president uh pro tempore uh win get your young ramming salamat chairman and let me uh [4:02] knowledge uh and thank our chairman chairman chairman erwin tool for for calling this uh um hearing [4:09] slash consultative meeting uh let me also thank our vice chairman vice chairman tico panglinan [4:16] and of course of course all the members of this uh esteemed uh committee uh unang-una sa lahat po uh nakaka [4:24] dismaya na hindi po umaten yung uh 18 bodyguards yung kanilang abogado na si attorney baligod at si [4:34] uh ginoong mike defensor dito sa ating patawag ito po ay official na patawag nag-release po ang blue ribbon [4:41] secretary at ng official na invitation uh ipinosto sa website uh itong ating uh uh uh consultative [4:53] uh event uh event consultative meeting today uh uh event consultative meeting today ay uh in [4:57] eastrimrim po sa website at uh makikita ho natin na full complement po ang nandito po sa consultative [5:05] meeting at uh nakakadismaya po dahil kung alam ng mga invited guests particularly po yung uh 18 [5:15] bodyguards nasa loob ng kanilang puso ay alam nila ang kototohanan e dapat pumunta ho sila dito [5:22] para ipamahagi at ishare sa ating lahat ang kototohanan hindi ho pwedeng pumili kung saan sila pupunta at [5:30] magsalita hindi ho pwedeng pumili kung sino ang kakausapin ho nila kung kakampi man o hindi dahil kung [5:37] alam mo na sa puso mo ang kototohanan kahit saan kang pupunta kahit saan ka pumunta katotohanan dapat mong sabihin [5:45] marami ho kaming ako personally marami po akong inihandang mga katanungan nakita ko po yung kanilang [5:53] mga sinumpaang salaysay marami po akong gustong itanong dahil marami po akong nakikitang inconsistency [5:59] gaps at gusto kong malinawan itong mga inconsistencies at gaps nagprepara ho tayo para makausap ho sila [6:08] at maging parang po maging patas ang pagdinig ho natin ngayong umagang ito pero sa ganitong sitwasyon [6:18] ako po personal na nadidismaya dahil hindi ho tayo nagkaroon ngayon ng pagkakatoon [6:24] para matanong sila at lalong klaruhin yung mga kanilang isinasabi itong mga nakaraang mga panahon [6:32] sa alam ko marami ho silang inikutan na iba't ibang venue para magsalita pero ito po yung pinakamahalagang [6:40] venue para po ilahad ang katotohanan so sa ganitong punto ako po nagpapasalamat po sa ating [6:49] chairman sa kanyang paghahanda dito sa ating aktividad ngayong araw na ito at nagpapasalamat po ako sa [6:57] lahat ng ating mga kasamahan dahil nagbigay ho sila ng oras at naghanda sila at [7:01] para harapin po itong mga 18 bodyguards na marami pong sinasabi tungkol po sa iba't ibang [7:11] mga personalidad marami marami salamat po marami salamat po [7:15] po marami salamat po marami salamat po uh center for temporary acting uh senate [7:21] president uh wing chilean we'd also like to acknowledge the presence of our colleagues [7:25] senator uh uh jv here's it all senator mama kino said dotito soto and senator risa [7:36] conteveros salamat sir uh we now uh i believe uh senator rafi has a statement thank you mr [7:43] chair mr chair it took all my energy to uh not to gate crush the live selling that happened here last june [7:52] 4th the way it happened the way it was handled the statements being made gusto ko lang talaga [7:59] pumunta rito hindi naman po ako invited dun sa conference nila nayon i waited for today's hearing [8:06] to confront the resourceful persons they presented let me call on them labing walong kargador [8:13] kasi nga po nagkakarga sila ng mga mali maletang pera sabi nga nila yun po talaga [8:21] ang trabaho niya taga bit bit nagkakarga ng maleta una sino ba itong labing walong kargador [8:27] ng mga maleta saan ba sila galing we cannot simply bring in people sa blue ribbon committee [8:33] na nagakusa na mabibigat na paratang nang hindi man lang nalalaman kung karapat dapat ba sila [8:40] paniwalaan kasi simulang simula pa lamang po na tinawag silang 18 marines [8:46] may paglilin lang na agad [8:50] yung bansag na 18 marines ay isang paraan upang pabanguhin sila sa publiko [8:55] matig po kasi yan pag sinabing marines aba iba po ang respeto ng mga tao [9:02] pero hindi naman po silang lahat ay dating marines [9:06] at mahigit kalahati sa kanila ay discharged without honors [9:10] or dishonorably discharged from service for various offenses ibig sabihin palpak sila [9:17] tulad na pagiging able or absent without leave [9:22] why is this information very important because for people to believe their allegations [9:29] it must come from a credible and reliable source and so the people using them portray them as heroes [9:38] god damn [9:40] sabi nga ng isa sa mga senador na dumalo nung araw na yon [9:42] bayani daw po sila [9:44] pero nangakaya naman po sila [9:47] sa iba nating mga bayani [9:49] na itong labing walong kargador [9:52] na ilang taon nagtrabaho [9:54] kay saldiko [9:56] may seven years at nine years [9:58] at nagbitbit daw [10:00] sabi nila ng sangkatutak [10:02] ng maleta ng pera [10:04] at bigla na lang [10:07] tinubuan ng konsensya [10:10] at ngayon ay naninira lang buhay ng mga inusenteng tao [10:12] ay tatawagin nating [10:15] bayani [10:18] pasensya na [10:19] hindi ako papayag na matabi [10:21] ang mga sinungaling neto [10:22] kila Jose Rizal [10:24] Andres Bonifacio [10:25] at mga dakila nating OFWs [10:28] at dito papasok ang Pangulo kong punto [10:30] hindi lang po ang kredibilidad [10:32] ng labing walong kargador [10:34] ang kaduda-duda [10:35] ang mismong testimonya nila [10:38] ay nakakapagtaka [10:39] lumabas na po ang ilan [10:42] sa mga ito sa balita [10:43] pero [10:44] pasadaan lang po natin [10:46] let me show some video clips of the hearing [10:48] video [10:50] 1 [10:51] Si Father Flabi [10:56] ay hinatiran ko ng pera [10:58] doon sa [10:59] Mininaw [11:00] isang sobre yun sir [11:02] Anong lugar po yun? [11:04] Sa Mininaw [11:05] sa mismo simbahan niya sir [11:07] sa may gilid ng kalsada [11:09] Bakit po kayo [11:10] nagdala ng pera [11:11] doon sa pare? [11:12] Kasi sir [11:14] pang [11:15] hindi ko ano sir [11:16] pang ano nila yun sir eh [11:19] basta nagdala na kami [11:20] ng pera sir [11:21] tapos doon [11:22] sa 33 [11:23] Maleta din ba? [11:24] Dinala mo? [11:25] Isang sobre sir [11:26] tapos doon sir [11:27] sa 33 Clemente [11:28] Baka naman sulat lang [11:29] pinadala kayo [11:30] Hindi sir [11:31] pera sir [11:32] tapos sa 33 Clemente sir [11:34] isang maleta [11:35] Kanino? [11:36] Kay [11:37] Father Flabi [11:38] binuwat ko [11:39] papunta sa sasakyan niya [11:40] tapos yung saot niya sir [11:41] itim [11:42] napang pare [11:44] Sagot naman [11:45] ni Diocese of Cabao [11:46] Bishop Elias Ayuban Jr. [11:48] There is no church [11:49] entrusted to the Society of the Divine Word [11:52] on Mindanao Avenue [11:53] or anywhere in its vicinity [11:55] Alawa [12:00] iPhone [12:02] time travel [12:03] 2024 [12:05] pa lang [12:06] wala pang [12:07] iPhone [12:08] 616e [12:09] noong 2024 [12:10] Ang mutok yung flood control po [12:13] 2024 [12:15] Nakapagsalita na po dito si [12:19] Master Sergeant Orly Gautiza [12:21] ngayon [12:22] maraming nagliligaw sa amin [12:25] na [12:27] Ano po? Ano po? [12:28] Niligawan po kami [12:29] na hindi na po kami [12:30] magsalita [12:31] yung lahat ng cellphone po namin [12:33] bibigay po sa kanila [12:35] Sa anong dahilan? [12:36] Papalitan po ng [12:38] mga bago po [12:41] iPhone po [12:42] Ano bang klase yung mga cellphone nyo? [12:44] Nokia? [12:45] iPhone 16 [12:47] So papalitan nila [12:48] ng mas maganda? [12:49] Yes, Your Honor [12:50] Alam ninyo yung dahilan [12:51] kung ba't nila gagawin yun? [12:52] Kasi nandun yung mga picture namin yun [12:55] Anong klase ng cellphone [12:56] para ma-record? [12:57] iPhone 16e [12:59] 128GB [13:00] Nang i-check ng News 5 [13:02] sa mismong website ng Apple [13:04] lumalabas na February 21, 2025 [13:06] ang pre-order na naturang model [13:08] na sinasabi ng Bagman Sahiri [13:10] Matlo [13:16] pinili ng impormasyon [13:17] Ano ang nangyari [13:18] sa pagpapalabas ng katotohanan? [13:20] Kung pinipili lang nila [13:21] kung sino ang ilalabas? [13:23] Malinaw ang detalya nila [13:25] sa una nilang affidavit [13:26] tungkol sa mga maletang dinala [13:28] sa ilan naming kasamahan dito [13:29] na may address pa [13:30] Pero bakit [13:32] parang mirakulo [13:33] na naglaho ang naratibo [13:35] tungkol dito? [13:36] Sa original affidavit [13:38] nung mga dating sundalo [13:40] Nandun din si Sen. Loren [13:42] at saka yung magkapalabit [13:44] na billiards [13:45] Ngayon po lang nakita yung affidavit [13:46] I have not read etc [13:53] Pangapat [13:55] Aking pinasilip [13:56] ang lugar na yun [13:57] sa Makati [13:59] Video 4 [14:00] Nag-advise po si boss [14:03] magpapalit kami ng [14:04] Piso to dollar [14:05] na dalawang maleta [14:06] doon sa Makati po [14:08] Bibili kayo ng [14:09] US dollar [14:10] Yes [14:11] Yes our honor [14:12] Dinala po namin ito [14:13] sa Pearl Bank [14:14] Makati [14:15] Salcedo Village po [14:16] Dalawang maleta [14:18] worth of [14:19] 50 [14:21] to 60 [14:22] M po ang laman [14:23] Aking pong pinasilip [14:28] ang lugar na yun [14:29] sa Makati [14:30] at walang record [14:31] ng money changer [14:32] sa Pearl Bank [14:33] Building [14:34] Dapat po [14:35] makumpirma ito [14:36] At syempre [14:37] nandyan din po ang mga kadudadudang [14:38] testimonya nila [14:39] labang kay Sen. Soto [14:40] na pinabulaanan niya [14:42] na dahil nga matagal [14:43] ng patay [14:44] ang sinasabi nilang [14:45] si E.A. Mark [14:48] or Executive Assistant [14:49] Mark [14:50] At ang pambawi nila [14:51] ng aligasyon [14:52] tungkol kaya [14:53] Representative [14:54] Laila D. Lima [14:55] na noong mga panahon [14:56] na yun ay hindi pa [14:57] kongresista [14:58] at nakakulong pa [15:00] At sabi niyong [15:01] Busman Boing Rimulya [15:02] ang isang letrato [15:04] ay delivery [15:05] na nangyari [15:06] ng panahon ni Speaker [15:07] Lord Velasco pa [15:08] And so I come to my third point [15:11] because it seems [15:12] that some of the information [15:13] from these [15:14] 18 porters [15:15] or kargador [15:16] are fed [15:17] They have a hard time [15:20] telling their story [15:21] on their own [15:23] Kung papanawin mo [15:24] ang live selling nila [15:25] noong Webes [15:26] hirap silang [15:27] ikwento [15:28] ang kanilang naratibo [15:29] The presiding officers [15:30] of that conference [15:31] were coaching [15:32] and leading [15:33] the resourceful persons [15:36] Pag medyo nagkakamali [15:39] siyempre [15:40] inaayos [15:41] ng mga presiding officers [15:42] ang testimonya [15:43] Minsan [15:44] ang 20 baligod [15:45] na hindi naman [15:46] involved sa pagbitbit [15:47] ng balita [15:48] ay siyang tumitistigo [15:50] tungkol sa nangyari [15:52] E wala naman siyang [15:53] personal knowledge [15:56] Ikaapat na punto [15:57] nais ko pong humingi [15:58] ng dispensa [15:59] sa ating mga Senate [16:00] media [16:01] Bilang broadcaster [16:03] at kasapi [16:04] na media [16:05] masakit po [16:06] tuwing nababansagan [16:07] ng ilan sa atin [16:08] na bayaran [16:10] kasi nasisira po [16:11] ang profesyon [16:12] Pero itong pagsisigawan [16:13] na bayaran [16:14] ang karamihan [16:15] sa atin [16:17] dito sa lugar [16:18] na tinawag niyo [16:19] ng tahanan [16:20] at buong puso niyong [16:21] pinuprotektahan [16:22] sa pamamagitan [16:23] na makatotohanang [16:24] pagpapayag [16:25] ay tatawagin kayong bayaran [16:26] hindi po tama yun [16:29] This institution [16:30] time and time again [16:31] owes you its dignity [16:32] because you keep [16:33] the senators [16:34] on their toes [16:36] and make sure [16:37] we stay true [16:38] to the Filipino people [16:39] At kay Sen. Cayetano [16:41] huwag po tayo [16:43] masyadong demanding [16:44] ano po [16:45] itong magreklamo [16:46] na wala ka sa front page [16:47] limited pong front page [16:49] space [16:50] ng mga dyaryo [16:51] kaya pililan po talaga [16:53] ang nalalagay dyan [16:55] pero hindi ibig sabihin [16:57] hindi na sila patas [16:58] dahil kung titignan mo [17:00] naman online [17:01] all these news outlets [17:03] reported his statement [17:06] it is in their online platform [17:08] kung saan libulibo ang nagbabasa [17:11] the front page is reserved [17:12] for the biggest [17:13] and latest news [17:14] yun bang bagong kaganapan [17:18] yun po kasing pagkapit [17:19] sa kapangyariyan [17:20] at hindi pagtanggap [17:21] sa pagkatalo nyo [17:23] lumambalita na po [17:24] but nevertheless [17:26] it was reported upon [17:28] i-google nyo po yun [17:30] and my fifth point [17:33] we have to look into [17:34] the allegation [17:35] na nabayaran ng 5 million [17:37] ang labing walong kargador [17:39] i'm not saying it's true [17:42] hirap po ng NBI [17:43] itong witness nila [17:44] na nagsabi noon [17:45] pero ang masasabi ko lang [17:47] ginamit lang kayo [17:48] ng mga malaking tao [17:49] para sa mga personal nilang [17:51] interest sa politika [17:52] kulang yung 5 million [17:55] kunwari inanalayan nila kayo [17:58] pero pagharapin nyo [18:00] na itong sangkatutak na kaso [18:02] na isasampa sa inyo [18:03] nitong mga siniraan ninyo [18:05] tingnan nyo [18:07] unti-unti kayong iwan yan [18:09] ngayon pa lang [18:11] nainig mo na sila [18:12] na nagugas kamay [18:13] sa mga paratang nyo [18:14] dumidistansya sila sa inyo [18:16] dahan-dahan [18:17] kaya sa ating mga kababayan [18:19] mag-ingat po tayo [18:20] sa paniwalaan [18:22] or papaniwalaan [18:23] remember [18:24] the devil [18:26] can cite the scripture [18:28] for his purpose [18:30] no more no less [18:32] when Jesus [18:33] went into the wilderness [18:35] to pray [18:36] the devil [18:37] tried to tempt him [18:38] three times [18:39] but as we [18:41] as [18:43] but as he was [18:44] failing to tempt Jesus [18:46] and as he was getting desperate [18:48] what did the devil do? [18:51] he quoted the scriptures [18:53] from the book of Psalms [18:56] wag po tayo magpapadala [18:57] sa mga [18:58] mabubulaklak [18:59] na mga pananalita [19:00] dahil lang [19:01] siya ay nagbabasa ng Biblia [19:03] wag po tayo basta maniniwala [19:06] dahil binansagan bayani [19:07] o marins [19:09] ang 18 na kargador [19:11] buksan po natin [19:12] ang ating mga mata [19:13] taing at utak [19:14] wag po tayo magpapadala [19:16] sa mga live selling nila [19:18] tingnan nyo po [19:19] kung sino ang nagbebenta [19:20] kasi [19:22] kung mahistoryan [19:23] ng pagbubudol [19:24] at di tayo maingat [19:25] tayo na pong susunod [19:27] na biktima nila [19:29] and before I end [19:30] I would like [19:33] to remind [19:34] my colleagues [19:36] here in the Senate [19:37] to please [19:39] be very careful [19:40] in calling out [19:41] some people [19:42] as bayani [19:43] putting them [19:45] on a pedestal [19:46] dahil [19:48] hindi naman talaga [19:49] totoo [19:51] because that will be [19:52] a reflection of you [19:53] tatawagin mo [19:55] ang mga taong [19:56] umami naman [19:57] na nagdeliver [19:58] ng mga kickback [19:59] kung sino-sino [20:00] poncho pilato [20:01] so therefore [20:03] matatawag siya ng sindikato [20:04] so kung tatawagin mong bayaneng isang sindikato [20:07] sindikato ka rin [20:08] as simple as that [20:10] maraming salamat [20:11] mr. chair [20:12] maraming salamat [20:13] senator rafi [20:14] we now go to [20:15] senator jv [20:17] if you have any opening statement [20:19] i'm sure i'll just go straight to the question later [20:22] so that we can start the ball rolling [20:24] thank you [20:25] thank you [20:26] thank you [20:27] senator jv [20:28] senator bang [20:29] okay [20:30] now we go to [20:31] senator tito soto [20:35] thank you [20:36] i'm just here to listen [20:39] i actually [20:42] would not want to dignify [20:44] parang siniingit [20:45] sa salaysay [20:46] but [20:47] nevertheless [20:48] i'm here to listen [20:49] mr. chairman [20:53] thank you [20:54] thank you very much [20:55] senator soto [20:56] senator rizontiveros [20:58] salamat po mr. chair [21:00] magandang umaga po sa lahat [21:02] wala pong iniiwasan ang bagong mayorya ng senado [21:07] pero sa kahit anong investigasyon [21:10] dapat ebidensya ang mangibabaw [21:13] hindi kwento lang [21:15] yan pong gusto sana nating alamin ngayong araw [21:18] pero ang 18 ex bodyguards [21:21] hindi po sumipot ngayon sa senado [21:25] oportunidad po sana ito para malaman [21:28] kung ano ba talaga ang totoo [21:30] pero ang resource persons ay wala dito [21:33] para patotohanan ang kwento nila [21:36] sayang po [21:38] i recall a quote which says [21:40] truth [21:41] doesn't mind being questioned [21:44] a lie [21:46] does not like being challenged [21:48] salamat po mr. chair [21:50] maraming salamat po [21:55] senadora rizontiveros [21:58] thank you po [21:59] before we go to [22:01] questioning [22:03] in the matter of the order of rival of our colleagues [22:09] unahin po natin mamaya [22:11] si senator [22:12] senate pro tempore [22:14] wingachalian [22:15] followed by [22:17] senator rafi tulfo [22:19] senator jv [22:20] senator bam [22:21] senator sota [22:22] and senator rizontiveros [22:23] of course [22:24] of course after [22:25] uh [22:26] the chairman [22:27] it will be the vice chairman [22:29] and then the uh [22:30] senate pro tempore [22:31] and uh [22:32] let us now [22:33] uh [22:35] before before we go to the presentation [22:37] of the various agencies present today [22:42] that we invited [22:43] like the national bureau of investigation [22:45] the ombudsman [22:46] the department of public works and highways [22:48] and the department of justice [22:49] department of budget management [22:51] i would just like to quickly mention po [22:54] kasi sinasabi po [22:55] basing doon sa accusations [22:57] that the blue ribbon [22:58] of the 20th congress [23:00] headed by senator ping lakson [23:02] iwala pong nagawa [23:03] actually there were bills filed [23:06] because of the investigation [23:08] isa po dyan [23:09] ang senate bill number 1453 [23:11] license integrity act [23:13] ito po yung [23:14] prohibiting [23:15] unlawful lending borrowing [23:17] a fraudulent use of licenses [23:19] permits and other concessions [23:21] granted by the state [23:22] yung pagpapahiram po [23:24] na mga lisensya na mga kontraktor [23:26] dahil po [23:27] na bulgar po [23:28] dito po sa blue ribbon hearing [23:30] isa pa po [23:32] ang senate bill number 1373 [23:34] contractor's license law [23:36] ito po yung bill [23:38] restructuring [23:39] strengthening the philippine [23:40] contractors accreditation board [23:41] introduces [23:43] stricter qualifications [23:44] in term of office [23:45] for its members [23:46] ang ibig po sabihin [23:48] hindi na po [23:49] pag ikaw ay member ng pick up [23:50] hindi ka po pwede [23:51] mangontrata sa gobyerno [23:53] SB number 1360 [23:54] master plan for infrastructure [23:56] and national development act [23:58] 30 year comprehensive [24:00] infrastructure development [24:01] master plan [24:02] which shall focus on the country's [24:04] long term vision goals [24:06] and strategy of infrastructure [24:08] development [24:09] hindi po yung [24:10] basta na lamang isumiti [24:12] yung program of work [24:13] ng isa pong politiko [24:14] para makakuha po ng pondok [24:16] kailangan po ito'y nakabase [24:18] sa master plan po for infrastructure [24:20] and national development [24:22] isa pa po [24:24] regulation of foreign travel for government officials and employees [24:28] senate bill number 1362 [24:30] this bill regulates foreign travels and government officials and employees who are under investigation [24:36] for acts that may compromise national security public safety or public health [24:41] senate bill number 1364 amending the bank secrecy act [24:45] this measure proposes to amend the law by authorizing a competent court or investigating body to examine the bank deposits of public officials [24:53] senate bill number 1365 amending PD number 1759 penalizing the contractors and subcontractors who violate any material provision of contracts involving public works of government officials of government and public officials who allow such violation [25:10] Senate bill number 1358 Budget Modernization Act of September 9, 2025 [25:18] ito po kaya po natin mapapanood na from now on ang bicameral conference po ng dalawang kupulungan sa pagsasagawa po ng ating budget at marami pa pong iba [25:28] ay yun lamang po ay pinapaalala po natin doon sa mga nagsasabi na wala pong ginawa ang blue ribbon hearings po nito mga nagdaang panahon [25:37] yan po ang accomplishments po ng blue ribbon hearing na isa nagawa po natin ngayong 20th Congress [25:43] now we go to the presentation [25:46] yes [25:48] we do if you don't mind Mr. Chairman yes also [25:51] um to fortify what you're saying [25:54] senate bill 1835 is an infrastructure governance act [25:59] reorganizing the DPWH [26:01] it's uh we filed the debate [26:06] uh uh [26:07] Senator Soto [26:08] let us now uh [26:09] uh [26:10] move to the presentation [26:11] of uh [26:12] the various agencies [26:13] we start with the National Bureau of Investigation [26:15] Attorney Melvin Matibag [26:17] uh [26:18] go ahead please [26:19] meron po kaming pre-repair na slides [26:22] baka po pwedeng [26:25] ma-blast [26:26] go ahead [26:31] una po sa lahat [26:32] magandang umaga po sa inyong lahat [26:33] maraming salamat po sa inyong imbitasyon [26:35] at uh [26:36] kamusta na po kayo [26:37] mga kaibigan naming senador [26:39] noong febrero 23 po 2026 [26:43] nagsumite ng joint apidavit ang grupo [26:46] na sinasabing the former security of Saldico [26:49] kasama si Atty. Balikud [26:51] na naglalaman ng mga aligasyon ng cash deliveries [26:54] ang imbistigasyon ay sinagawa ng NBI Task Force Marino [26:58] base sa deputization ng ombudsman [27:00] at sa sariling kapangyarihan ng NBI [27:03] so tinawag po namin Task Force Marino ito noon [27:06] pero pwede naman na po namin palitan [27:08] siguro yung pangalan ng Task Force [27:10] pag pamarapatin [27:12] ano po [27:13] yes please do that [27:14] kasi po [27:15] insulto po sa institusyon [27:16] sa Philippine Marine Corps [27:18] at sa Armed Forces of the Philippines [27:21] dahil ito pong mga ito [27:22] ay karamihan po sa kanila [27:24] tulad po na nasabi ni Sen. Raffi [27:26] ito po yung mga nag-awol [27:27] may kaso po [27:28] dishonorable discharge [27:29] at sinabi na rin po ng AFP [27:31] na maaari huwag pong gamitin [27:33] na sila po ay 18 marines [27:35] dahil hindi po sila lahat marines [27:38] at ang iba ang may mga kaso [27:40] maraming salamat po [27:41] Palitan lang po namin [27:42] kung hindi Task Force Bodyguard [27:43] eh baka Task Force Bellboys po [27:45] para mas appropriate po siguro [27:48] next slide please [27:50] ang ating tatalakay ngayon [27:53] ay ang ebidensyang halaga ng ABD [27:56] ng tinaguro ang 18 bodyguards [27:58] sa kasong ito [28:00] ginamit ang ABD [28:01] bilang pangunahing ebidensya [28:03] na umano'y kas deliveries [28:05] munit ayon sa NBI Task Force [28:07] kailangan nating suriin [28:09] kung sapat ba ang bigat ng ebidensya [28:11] kung may issue sa paggamit [28:13] ng titulong marines [28:14] at kung paano na iba [28:16] ang independent recollection [28:17] sa collective narrative [28:19] ang layunin natin ay makita [28:21] kung ang ABD [28:22] ay talagang nakatutulong [28:25] sa pagbuo ng probable cause [28:27] kung ito man ay kahinaan [28:29] na dapat pagtunan ang pansin [28:31] sa katunayan po [28:32] ang ginamit na lang namin [28:33] pamantayan ay probable cause [28:35] at hindi na yung memorandum circular [28:38] ng DOJ [28:39] na nagsasabi ng [28:40] there should be reasonable certainty [28:42] of conviction [28:43] pag mag-aakyat tayo ng kaso [28:45] next slide please [28:46] ang tanong na dapat sagutin [28:49] nakakatulong ba [28:50] o nakakasira [28:51] sa kredibilidad [28:52] ang label na Exmarine [28:54] ginagamit ang label na ito [28:56] para ipakita [28:57] ng grupo [28:58] na may integridad [28:59] at disiplina [29:00] gaya na nga po [29:01] ng sinabi [29:02] ni Sen. Rapi Tulpo [29:03] kanina sa kanyang [29:04] opening statement [29:05] sa kasong ito [29:06] may mga [29:07] member ng grupo [29:08] na hindi naman tunay [29:09] na marines [29:10] o honorably discharged [29:13] sa katunayan po [29:14] ayon sa aming [29:15] pagsusuri [29:16] at pag-iimbestiga [29:17] labindalwa [29:18] sa labing anim [29:19] na dating marines [29:20] ay dishonorably discharged [29:22] at may mga [29:24] member ng army [29:25] at reservice lamang [29:26] o sibilyan [29:27] kaya ang Exmarine [29:29] label ay otomatik [29:30] ang nagbibigay [29:31] ng kredibilidad [29:32] na sadyang [29:33] ginamit upang [29:34] itaas [29:35] ang kalidad [29:36] ng kanilang [29:37] sinasabing testimonya [29:38] next slide [29:39] please [29:41] ayon sa batas [29:42] ang testimonya [29:43] ay dapat nakabatay [29:44] sa personal [29:45] na kaalaman [29:46] kung ang testigo [29:47] ay actual [29:48] na nakakita [29:49] ng cash delivery [29:50] mas malakas [29:51] ang ebidensya [29:53] ngunit kung narinig lang niya [29:55] mula sa iba [29:56] ito ay hearsay [29:57] at mahina [29:58] ang probative value [30:00] ito po isang legal [30:01] na provision [30:02] testimony [30:03] must be based [30:04] on personal knowledge [30:05] hearsay [30:06] has a weak [30:07] probative value [30:08] sa report [30:10] na lumabas [30:11] ng aming task force [30:12] lumalabas [30:13] na karamihan [30:14] sa payag [30:15] ng hearsay [30:16] at 10 to 20% [30:17] lamang [30:18] ang base [30:19] sa personal knowledge [30:20] ng mga affiance [30:21] halimbawa [30:22] may testigo [30:23] na nagsabing sinabi [30:24] sa akin ni Estrada [30:25] na may cash delivery [30:26] hindi ako mismo [30:27] ang nakakita [30:28] at hindi rin po nakita [30:30] kung ano ang laman [30:31] ng mga maleta [30:32] base lamang [30:33] sa sinasabi [30:34] ng kanilang mga kasama [30:35] o kung ano [30:36] ang itinex [30:37] sa kanilang group chat [30:39] next slide please [30:41] sabi na ibid [30:43] 10 to 20% lang [30:45] ang base sa personal [30:46] na kaalaman [30:47] halimbawa [30:48] may ilang testigo [30:49] na nagsabing nakita nila [30:50] ang bag [30:51] pero ang karamihan [30:52] ay narinig lamang [30:53] membro [30:55] ng grupo [30:56] o executive assistant [30:57] ang majority [30:58] ng pahayag [30:59] ay hearsay [31:00] kaya mahina [31:01] ang ebidensya [31:02] isang halimbawa [31:03] ng pahayag [31:04] ng testigo [31:05] sinabi sa akin [31:06] ni Estrada [31:07] na may cash delivery [31:08] hindi ako mismo [31:09] ang nakita [31:10] sa report [31:11] na binanggit [31:12] ng mga personal knowledge [31:13] ng botafayan [31:14] ay limitado [31:15] ang natitirang assertions [31:16] ay hearsay na [31:18] next slide please [31:19] walang dokumento [31:22] ito na po [31:23] importante po ito [31:24] suportahan [31:25] ng kanilang testimony [31:26] walang dokumento [31:27] inyong next slide pa po [31:30] lack of collaboration [31:34] walang dokumento [31:35] device [31:36] o physical evidence [31:38] na sumusukorta [31:39] sa mga allegasyon [31:41] halimbawa [31:42] walang cctv footages [31:44] resibo [31:46] o cellphone [31:48] records [31:49] wala po [31:51] nagpapatunay [31:52] ang ebidensya [31:53] ay puro salita lamang [31:54] walang kasamang [31:55] physical na ebidensya [31:56] sa report [31:58] kahit may sabwina [31:59] walang naipakitang [32:00] original photographs [32:01] receipts [32:02] o bank statement [32:03] ang grupo [32:04] ang absence [32:05] ng documentary evidence [32:06] ay hindi lamang kahinaan [32:08] kundi direct failure [32:09] to comply [32:10] with the legal directive [32:11] binigyan po namin sila [32:13] ng sufficient time [32:14] para magsumite [32:15] ng mga corroborative evidence [32:17] testimonya man [32:19] o material evidence [32:20] or physical evidence [32:21] wala po silang isinumite [32:23] next slide please [32:25] next slide please [32:26] ang laman ng bag [32:29] ay kadalasang hinuhulaan lang [32:31] hindi actual na nakita [32:33] halimbawa [32:34] sinabi ng testigo [32:35] na mabigat ang bag [32:36] kaya pinaniwalaan nilang [32:37] pera ang laman [32:39] pero walang actual [32:40] na pagtingin [32:41] o pagpubukas ng bag [32:44] sa report [32:45] ng 12 [32:46] sa 18 na payans [32:47] hindi nakita [32:48] ang laman ng maleta [32:49] at tumaasa lamang [32:50] sa bigat [32:51] code word [32:52] na basura [32:53] o sinabing executive assistant [32:55] ang corpus [32:56] ang elemento [32:57] o kas mismo [32:58] ang hindi napatunayan [32:59] ng independent evidence [33:00] kung maalala nyo po [33:02] may mga lubabas [33:03] noon na [33:04] na abinibit [33:05] na naonang inilabas [33:06] sa media [33:07] na sinasabi nila [33:08] kaya na lamang pera [33:10] merong mga [33:11] nasa active duty pa [33:13] na PNP [33:14] na binuksan [33:15] at kumuha ng pera [33:16] pero nung isinumite na po [33:18] sa ombudsman yung abinibit [33:20] wala na po yun [33:21] hindi na po [33:22] binanggit yun doon [33:23] sa kanilang abinibit [33:24] na sinumite sa [33:26] ombudsman [33:27] ang mangyari po rito [33:29] parang nagpapalit-palit [33:30] palagi [33:31] ang sinasabi doon [33:32] sa abinibit [33:33] hanggang po nung huling [33:34] nagkaroon ng pagdinig po dito [33:35] next slide please [33:37] ang abinibit [33:40] ay hindi dumadaan [33:41] sa cross-exabination [33:42] kaya mas [33:44] mababa [33:45] ang bigat nito [33:46] kumpara sa testimonya [33:47] sa korte [33:48] halimbawa [33:49] sa abinibit [33:50] hindi [33:51] natatanong [33:52] ang testigo [33:53] ng kabilang panig [33:54] sana po [33:55] ito nga yung pagkakataon [33:56] na magkaroon [33:57] ng paghaharapan [33:58] kaya hindi [33:59] masusuri ang katotohanan [34:00] ng pahayak [34:01] kung may maling [34:02] informasyon [34:03] hindi ito [34:04] agad [34:05] mahihiwatigan [34:06] sa report [34:07] pinanggit [34:08] na ang abinibit [34:09] ay ex-party [34:10] coordinated [34:11] at hindi [34:12] subject [34:13] sa cross-examination [34:14] ang supreme court [34:15] na po mismo [34:16] ang nagsabing [34:17] ang coordinated testimony [34:18] ay may [34:19] diminished weight [34:22] next slide please [34:24] mga informasyon [34:25] na dumaan [34:26] pa sa dalawa [34:27] o higit pang tao [34:28] bago makarating [34:29] sa abinibit [34:30] halimbawa [34:31] ang isang [34:32] membro ay naniniglang [34:33] mula sa ibang [34:34] membro [34:35] na may cast delivery [34:36] tapos isasama [34:38] sa abinibit [34:39] lalong humihina [34:40] ang credibilidad [34:41] ng ganitong payag [34:42] dahil [34:44] hindi ito [34:45] directang karanasan [34:46] sa report [34:47] maraming assertion [34:48] ang galing [34:49] sa group [34:50] Viber chats [34:51] o sa executive assistant [34:52] hindi sa sariling [34:54] karanasan [34:55] ng appiant [34:56] ang hearsay [34:57] ay inadvisable [34:58] at walang [35:01] independent [35:02] probative weight [35:03] double hearsay [35:04] pa nga po [35:05] narinig sa ganito [35:06] pinasa sa kanila [35:07] at yung [35:09] yung grupo po [35:11] doon sa Viber chats [35:12] nila [35:13] hindi na alam [35:14] kung sino [35:15] nagpadala [35:16] at nung inahanap po namin [35:17] yung mga Viber chat [35:18] na ito [35:19] ang sinasabi [35:20] wala na yung telepono [35:21] kaya maaaring [35:22] yung binabanggit po noon [35:23] na sinabing [35:24] napalitan yung telepono [35:25] kasama na sa naratibo [35:26] ang kanilang binubuo [35:27] next slide please [35:29] attorney mativag [35:31] before you continue [35:32] we just like to inform [35:33] everyone [35:34] na yung pong [35:35] labing walong [35:36] ex bodyguides [35:37] narito po [35:38] sa building na ito [35:40] nasa tanggapan po [35:42] ni senator [35:43] Robin Padilla [35:44] kasama po si [35:45] attorney baligod [35:46] despite po [35:47] yung [35:48] ating po [35:49] imbitasyon sa kanila [35:50] na dumalo sa hearing [35:51] mas minabuti po nilang [35:52] magtungo sa opisina [35:53] ni senator [35:54] Robin Padilla [35:55] at doon po [35:56] ika nga [35:57] magmonitor [35:58] at maglive din [35:59] yung labing walong [36:01] ika nga [36:02] bodyguard [36:03] at magpa-prescon [36:05] yun lamang po [36:06] i just want to [36:07] let everybody know [36:08] na they're here [36:09] in the building [36:10] yung labing walo po na yun [36:11] kasama po si [36:12] attorney baligod [36:13] pero ayaw po nilang bumaba [36:14] dito [36:15] sa ating hearing [36:16] at nandoon po sila [36:18] sa tanggapan ni [36:19] senator Robin Padilla [36:20] continue [36:21] attorney [36:22] yes [36:23] go ahead [36:24] mr. chair [36:26] for the record lang po [36:27] bagamat [36:28] ito pong dinadaos [36:30] natin ngayon [36:31] sa pamumuno ninyo [36:33] na blue ribbon committee [36:34] ay meeting [36:35] pero inaasahan ko rin po [36:37] na [36:38] iimbitahan ng chair [36:40] itong 18x bodyguards [36:43] sa hearing [36:45] kapag [36:46] fully constituted [36:47] na yung committee [36:48] and [36:49] dapat po [36:50] hindi nila baliwalain [36:51] yung impitasyon [36:52] ng [36:53] committee [36:54] dahil [36:55] pag ginawa pa nila po [36:56] iyon [36:57] magiging subject po sila [36:58] sa [36:59] subpena [37:00] and show cause order [37:01] at higit pa [37:02] mula sa committee [37:03] salamat po [37:04] mr. chair [37:05] noted po [37:06] senator [37:07] tiberos [37:08] pero for now [37:09] kasi [37:10] ang ginawa po [37:11] natin [37:12] isang [37:13] meeting lamang [37:14] organizational [37:15] meeting po [37:16] ng blue ribbon [37:17] committee [37:18] kaya po [37:19] hindi po natin [37:20] mapapwersa yung mga yon [37:21] pero inibitahan po rin natin [37:22] gayon pa man [37:23] noong pong mercules [37:24] para walang masabi po [37:25] yung kabilang grupo [37:27] yung minority block [37:28] na [37:29] iniiwas po natin [37:30] at ayaw natin sila [37:31] inibitahan [37:32] so for the record po [37:33] nabanggit po kanina [37:34] ng secretary [37:35] at inibitahan po [37:36] ang labing walo na ito [37:37] kasama po si [37:38] attorney baligod [37:39] subalit po [37:40] hindi po sila [37:42] at nagpahayag na po sila [37:43] kani kanina lamang [37:44] na hindi po sila [37:45] bababa rito [37:46] bagkos sila po ay [37:47] bisita [37:48] ni senator [37:49] robin padilla [37:50] mr. president [37:52] mr. chairman [37:53] just just for the record [37:54] baka kasi hindi na [37:56] intindihan masyado [37:57] ng ating mga [37:58] mga kababayan [38:00] kaya ito ay hindi [38:02] hearing [38:03] at ito ay [38:05] committee meeting [38:07] consultative meeting [38:09] ay dahil [38:10] kinikilala natin [38:11] na hindi pa nahahalal [38:13] ang lahat ng [38:15] membro [38:16] ng committee [38:17] on public accountability [38:19] at dahil hindi pa nahahalal [38:21] lahat ng membro [38:22] hindi pa constituted [38:24] ang committee [38:25] although [38:27] the chairperson [38:28] has been [38:29] elected [38:30] and the chairperson [38:31] as [38:32] legislative practice [38:33] will reveal [38:35] has from time to time [38:37] been allowed [38:38] by practice [38:39] to hold consultative meetings [38:41] even if [38:42] there is no quorum [38:44] even if [38:45] the committee [38:46] has not been fully constituted [38:47] and also [38:50] yes [38:51] that is correct [38:52] is empowered [38:53] to designate [38:54] a vice chairman [38:55] so in the meantime [38:56] because we are [38:57] a [38:58] have not [38:59] out of respect [39:00] for our colleagues [39:01] in the majority [39:02] dahil [39:03] hindi pa sila [39:04] hindi pa na co-constitute [39:05] and hindi pa sila hinahalal [39:07] ay hindi natin tinatawag itong [39:10] o hindi natin isinasagawa ang hearing [39:12] this is in contrast to [39:14] the previous bogus hearing [39:19] last thursday [39:20] wherein the blue ribbon committee [39:22] precisely [39:23] had been declared vacant [39:26] and even before we removed [39:28] the senate president [39:29] former senate president [39:31] they already [39:33] uh [39:34] uh [39:35] sent out notices [39:36] for that june 4 hearing [39:38] uh [39:39] which again [39:40] uh [39:41] is an indication of their disregard [39:43] for our rules [39:44] uh [39:45] in the senate [39:46] kaya uh [39:47] just for the record [39:48] uh [39:50] mr. chairperson [39:51] thank you for that clarification [39:53] go ahead [39:54] dagdag lamang po dun sa sinabi ni uh [39:56] vice chair [39:57] kiko [39:58] mr. chair [39:59] in fact [40:00] dun sa bogus hearing [40:01] nagpakita at nagsalita [40:03] yung 18x bodyguards [40:05] at saka si [40:06] attorney baligod [40:07] so [40:08] although of course [40:09] i submit to what the chair has said na [40:11] hindi naman sila mapipilitang [40:13] dumalo dito sa ating meeting [40:15] bilang mga guests [40:16] i think [40:17] loss po sa kanila [40:18] na hindi sila humarap [40:20] sa committee hearing na ito [40:21] para matanong din natin [40:23] uh [40:24] na ibang mga senador [40:25] and yung mga miyembro [40:26] magiging miyembro [40:27] ng [40:28] uh [40:29] committee once constituted [40:30] dahil naghanda rin po tayo [40:32] ng mga tanong sa kanila [40:33] uh [40:34] just for the record [40:35] mr. chair [40:36] salamat po [40:37] to emphasize [40:38] na yung june 3 [40:39] klarong klaro [40:40] na [40:41] nuong diniklir [40:43] all seats vacant [40:44] ang [40:45] inelect natin [40:46] as chairman [40:47] of the blue ribbon committee [40:48] ay no other than [40:50] center erwin tulfo [40:51] so [40:52] siya lang [40:53] may karapatan [40:54] na tumawag ng ganitong [40:55] consultative meeting [40:56] at siya lang [40:57] may karapatan [40:58] para mag-issue [40:59] ng mga invitations [41:00] through [41:01] the blue ribbon secretariat [41:02] so let me just put that on record [41:04] thank you [41:06] thank you [41:07] uh [41:08] uh [41:09] uh [41:10] pro tempore [41:11] acting uh [41:12] president uh [41:13] wing chile [41:14] quite attorney matibag [41:16] may approach po [41:17] may [41:18] there's an important thing [41:19] that i want to relay po [41:20] sa inyo po [41:21] pwede po akong lumapit dyan [41:22] because i cannot see [41:23] uh [41:24] one minute suspension [41:41] all right we've been listening to [41:42] senator erwin tulfo [41:43] uh [41:44] chairman of the uh [41:45] senate blue ribbon committee [41:46] opening today's [41:47] consultative meeting [41:48] calling last friday's [41:49] blue ribbon gathering [41:50] with senator alan peter [41:52] cayatano and rodante marcoleta [41:54] as illegal [41:55] now that clarification [41:57] of today [41:58] as just being a meeting [41:59] because uh [42:00] the committee is not fully [42:01] constituted yet [42:02] now senator tulfo issued [42:04] a strict warning [42:05] that any invited source [42:07] or persons or witnesses [42:08] who failed to show up [42:10] without a legally valid [42:12] reason [42:13] will face immediate [42:14] contempt [42:15] charges and [42:16] potential arrest by the [42:17] blue ribbon panel [42:19] he also said [42:20] there will be no more [42:21] surprise witnesses [42:22] to prevent ambush [42:23] testimonies [42:24] and uh [42:25] media grandstanding [42:27] now the committee will [42:28] enforce a strict rule [42:30] requiring all members [42:31] to be notified [42:32] and approved resource [42:34] persons will be [42:36] notified in advance [42:37] now a no-show in today's [42:39] hearing are of course the [42:40] eighteen former marines [42:41] although they are uh [42:43] said to be within the [42:44] senate premises [42:46] visiting the office of [42:47] senator robin padilla as [42:49] well as their legal [42:50] counsel attorney levito [42:51] baligod received an [42:52] invitation but he [42:53] declined [42:54] former house speaker [42:55] martin rumualdez also [42:56] did not show up as well [42:57] as a few congressmen and [42:58] congress women [43:00] now the acting senate president [43:02] sherwin gachelian and kiko [43:04] pangilinan both expressing [43:05] dismay when the eighteen [43:07] marines did not show up [43:09] but the eighteen as i've [43:11] mentioned earlier are [43:12] actually in the premises [43:14] visiting senator padilla [43:15] now the new senate blue [43:17] ribbon committee calling the [43:19] eighteen marines or former [43:21] marines as now the eighteen [43:23] bodyguards or eighteen [43:24] cargador noting that of course [43:26] not all of them were members [43:28] of the philippine marines and [43:29] some of them are even [43:31] dishonorably charged [43:33] representatives of key office [43:36] heads from the national [43:37] bureau of investigation the [43:38] anti-money laundering council as [43:40] well as the department of [43:41] budget at least sent a [43:43] representative in today's [43:45] consultative meeting now this [43:47] one serves us of course an [43:49] initial official reset with [43:51] the senator tulfo already [43:53] targeting a second round of [43:55] hearings later in june that [43:57] is of course to summon additional [43:59] high-profile officials [44:00] including former budget [44:02] secretary amena pangandaman [44:03] and former presidential [44:04] legislative liaison office [44:06] chief adrian bersamin we were [44:09] listening to nbi's attorney [44:11] melvin matibag pointing out [44:14] some inconsistencies in the [44:15] testimonies of the eighteen [44:16] former marines let's listen [44:19] in as he continues [44:20] Sapat ang Abidibit para [44:21] magpatunay ng probable cause [44:23] Kahit marami ang nagsalita [44:25] kung walang independent [44:26] evidence mahina ang kaso [44:28] ang Abidibit ay hindi [44:31] sapat na basihan para [44:33] mag file ng kaso [44:34] sa report binanggit na kahit [44:36] hearsay ay pwedeng gamitin [44:37] sa preliminary investigation [44:39] pero dapat ay may substantial [44:41] basis na wala sa kasong ito [44:44] ang assertions ay uncorroborated [44:47] at ang mga affiant ay hindi nakakita ng material facts. [44:53] Next slide please. [44:56] Public representation. [44:59] Balik po tayo rin sa pag-label nila ng 18 Marines. [45:03] Ipinakilala ang grupo bilang 18 Marines na parang may dagdag na integridad. [45:10] Halimbawa, ginamit ang label na ito sa media para palakasin ang kredibilidad ng grupo [45:15] kahit hindi naman miembro ay tunay ng Marines. [45:18] Sa report, lumabas na may Army Reservies at Sibilyan at sinilama sa grupo [45:24] ang popular narrative na Marine Honor Code ay hindi tugma sa actual na record. [45:29] Katunayan, nakita na natin ang EFP at ang Marines naglabas na ng pahayag [45:34] na huwag silang tawaging 18 Marines. [45:37] At pag hindi po Honorary Discharge, hindi po makukonsidera na sila ay napabilang sa Marine Corps. [45:44] Next slide please. [45:48] Next slide. [45:51] Actual composition. [45:52] Sa totoo lang, ilan lang ang Honorary Retired. [45:56] Ang iba ay discharged o hindi talaga Marines. [45:59] Halimbawa, sa breakdown ng NBI, tatlo lang ang Honorary, Honorary Retired. [46:05] Labindalawa ang dishonorably discharged at may Army Reservies at Sibilyan. [46:11] Karamihan pa po rito ay merong mga naging kaso [46:14] at merong isa na merong pang patuloy na dinidinig na kaso. [46:18] Ang popular narrative na Marine Honor Code ay hindi tugma sa actual na record. [46:22] Ang Philippine Marine Corps mismo ang nagsabing karamihan ay dishonorably discharged at maikli lamang ang servisyo. [46:29] Meron po rito, sampung buwan lang na nagservisyo sa Marine, nag-awol na po. [46:36] At ang karagdagan po rito, para tawagin sila na Marines, matagal na po yung ibang wala sa Marine Service bago po na-recruit ng grupo po ni dating Congressman Saldico. [46:48] Next slide, please. [46:53] Effect of credibility. [46:55] Nagkakaroon ng maling akala na lahat ay may mataas na integridad dahil sa titulo, kahit hindi naman totoo. [47:02] Halimbawa, ang publiko ay naniniwala na ang grupo ay may Marine values, [47:06] pero may mga miyembro na may record ng misconduct o hindi naman tunay na Marines. [47:11] Sa report mismo ng Philippine Marine Corps, ang nasabing karamihan ay dishonorably discharged at maikli lamang ang servisyo. [47:17] Ang invocation ng Marine Honor ay walang institutional basis sa grupo na ito. [47:24] Next slide, please. [47:27] Legal impact of title Marines. [47:29] Sa korte, ebidensya ang malaga, hindi ang label o titulo. [47:34] Kahit pa ex-Marine ang tawag kung walang sapat na ebidensya, hindi ito magpapalakas ng kaso. [47:41] Courts rely on evidence, not on labels. [47:44] Sa report, binanggit na ang invocation ng Marine Honor ay walang institutional basis sa grupo. [47:50] Ang Supreme Court ay nagsabi ng probative value ay nakasalalay sa personal knowledge, hindi sa titulo o sa label. [47:59] Next slide, please. [48:02] Independent recollection. [48:05] Ang tunay na malakas na ebidensya ay galing sa sariling karanasan ng testigo. [48:11] Halimbawa, kung ang testigo ay actual na nakakita at nakaranas ng kas delivery, mas malakas ang pahayag. [48:18] Sa report, may ilang apayant na nagsabing nakita nila ang kas, pero karimihan ay umasa lamang sa kwento ng iba. [48:25] Ang logistics ng operation ay corroborated, pero ang core allegation na kas ay laman ng maleta ay madalas na hirsay lamang. [48:35] Next slide, please. [48:44] Pinagsama-sama ang pahayag ng grupo sa isang avid habit. [48:47] Halimbawa, may mga miyembro na hindi alam ang buong kwento, pero isinama ang kanilang pahayag sa collective narrative. [48:54] Sa report mismo ng apayant ng nasabing hinalo-halo ang avid habit at binoo ng kanilang cancel na si Atty. Baligod, [49:02] ang collective execution ay hindi nagko-convert ng hirsay sa personal knowledge. [49:09] Next slide, please. [49:15] May palatandaan ng koordinasyon ng group discussions, shared preparation. [49:21] Halimbawa, bago gumawa ng avid habit, nagkaroon ng group meeting. [49:24] Para pag-usapan ng mga sasabihin, sa report na binanggit na ang avid habit ay produkto ng collective briefing, [49:32] common housing at cancel-assembled content, [49:35] ang affiant ay house sa cancel unit na may real-time coaching interview. [49:40] Anong ibig sabihin po nito? [49:42] Mula, mayroon pong testimonya doon na November pa lang magkakasama na sila. [49:47] At inilabas po yung testimonya February. [49:49] Ang ibig sabihin po nito, bumuo sila ng naratibo. [49:54] So, ang nangyari po kasi rito, yung si Buduan, siya ang nilapitan ni Atty. Baligod. [50:01] Please take note na hindi po sila ang lumapit kay Atty. Baligod, [50:05] kundi si Atty. Baligod lumapit kay Buduan. [50:08] At si Buduan ang nag-recruit ng mga sasama po rito. [50:12] Ano pong palatandaan itong na-coordinated? [50:15] Sinasabi naman nila lahat sila nang galing doon sa White Plains. [50:18] Doon po sila, magkakasama po sila. [50:21] Tapos, inamin din, may umamin din na may nagbibigay ng pera, [50:25] parang allowance, si Atty. Baligod. [50:28] Kung tutuusin nga po sa aming mga abugado, [50:30] ito po ay violation ng Code of Professional Responsibility and Accountability. [50:35] Sapagkat bilang isang abugado ka, [50:37] hindi ka maaaring dapat magbigay ng financial consideration. [50:41] Papasok po ito sa tinatawag na champertubus contract [50:43] na maaaring meron kang inaasahang kapalit [50:46] sa pagtulong mo sa iyong abugado. [50:48] Magkaiba po ito doon sa tinatawag na contingent basis [50:51] na agreement ng pagiging abugado. [50:56] Sinabidad po mismo, [50:57] halimbawa, a specific example, [50:59] that Baligod suggested to Buduan [51:01] that 18 should instead in Baligod's residence. [51:04] So, in-offer po talaga yung tirahan. [51:06] Meron po talagang pag-aalok na pumunta po. [51:11] At si Buduan po is one of those who are dishonorably discharged. [51:15] Ang kaso po niya rito, corruption eh. [51:17] Dito si Buduan. [51:19] Siya po isang kasama doon sa volunteer doon sa Golan, [51:22] yung peacekeeping po na pinadala natin. [51:24] So, meron po kaming halimbawa lang po yun, [51:26] ang NBI po ay may record, [51:28] service record ng lahat po ng labing walong ito. [51:32] Next slide, please. [51:35] Legal Implication. [51:36] Ayon sa batas, kapag coordinated ang testimonya, [51:40] bumababa ang probative value nito. [51:42] Halimbawa, kung pare-pareho ang wording ng Avi David, [51:45] maaaring indikasyon ng coaching o collusion. [51:50] Coordinated testimony reduces probative value. [51:53] Sa report na binanggit ng Supreme Court [51:57] na doktry na ang coordinated testimony [51:59] ay may diminish weight. [52:01] Ang collective narrative ay hindi reliable [52:03] marker ng independent testimonial reliability. [52:08] When multiple witnesses function like synchronized recorders, [52:14] the testimony fails the test of personal knowledge [52:17] and perception required under Rule 130, [52:20] Section 37 of the Rules of Court. [52:23] Because the court cannot determine [52:25] where the real observation ends [52:27] and the script begins. [52:30] The probative value of the synchronized statement [52:32] are discarded entirely. [52:35] Ito po ay decided case na ng Supreme Court [52:37] sa People versus Centeno. [52:39] The Supreme Court explicitly stated [52:41] that perfect symmetry among testimony [52:45] does not inspire belief. [52:47] Instead, it breeds suspicion [52:49] that the testimonies were rehearsed or concocted. [52:55] Next slide, please. [52:58] Key distinction between independent and collective. [53:02] Attorney Matibag, I'm sorry for interrupting. [53:05] How many more minutes do we have? [53:07] I'm about to wrap up three slides na lang po. [53:09] Okay, thank you. [53:11] Independent, malakas na ebidensya. [53:14] Collective, mahina. [53:15] Ang independent recollection [53:16] ay personal na karanasan. [53:19] Samantalang ang collective narrative [53:21] ay pinaghalo-halong kwento ng grupo. [53:24] Sa report, lumalabas ng logistics [53:26] ng operation ay corroborated. [53:29] Pero ang core allegation [53:30] na kas ang laman ng maleta [53:32] ay madalas hearsay lamang. [53:34] Next slide, please. [53:35] Integrated findings with evidence [53:41] misleading title [53:42] non-independent testimony. [53:44] Tatlong issue. [53:46] Mahina ang ebidensya. [53:48] Misleading ang title [53:49] at hindi independent ng testimonya. [53:51] Ang api-rebit ay hindi sapat. [53:53] Ang ex-marine ay misleading [53:55] at ang testimonya ay coordinated. [53:58] Sa report, [53:59] binanggit na walang credible witness [54:00] na makapagpapatunay [54:02] ng buong allegation [54:03] at photographic evidence [54:06] ay compromise. [54:07] Ang political context [54:09] ang kaso na nagpapakita [54:11] na coordinated ang operation [54:12] hindi independent whistleblowing. [54:15] Ano pong ibig sabihin nito? [54:17] Dahil kinu-coach, [54:18] depende po doon sa political perception [54:22] or political belief ng tao. [54:24] Ang halimbawa na nga po rito [54:26] doon sa mga unang lumabas na api-rebit, [54:28] binabanggit po yung dalawang senador [54:29] pero nung nag-iba na yung alyansa [54:31] ng senador, [54:32] iba na po yung api-rebit [54:34] at may mga dadagdag pa po [54:35] na personalidad. [54:36] Last slide na po. [54:41] Ano po ang konklusyon [54:42] dito po sa aming ginawang [54:43] pag-iimbestiga? [54:45] Hindi napatunayan [54:46] ang mga allegation [54:47] base sa ebidensyang iniharap. [54:49] Walang sapat na personal knowledge, [54:51] puro hearsay, [54:52] walang corroboration [54:53] at coordinated ang narrative. [54:56] Ang api-rebit [54:57] ay hindi sapat na basihan [54:58] para mag-pile ng kaso. [55:00] Sa report, [55:01] binanggit na ang joint api-rebit [55:02] ay hindi self-sufficient basis [55:04] for probable cause [55:05] at bawat allegation [55:08] ay dapat [55:08] ay independent, [55:09] competent [55:10] at authenticated evidence. [55:12] Ang tanong ay hindi [55:13] kung possible [55:14] ang pangyari [55:14] kundi [55:15] napatunayan sila [55:17] batay sa ebidensya [55:18] at ang kasong ito, [55:20] hindi nila [55:21] napatunayan. [55:22] Maraming salamat po [55:23] and we can submit [55:24] the full report [55:24] to the committee. [55:26] Thank you. [55:28] Yes, [55:29] and just an administrative matter [55:31] to the director. [55:33] The report, please, [55:34] and the attachments [55:34] including the affidavits [55:36] of the six or five. [55:39] Five po yung pumirma po. [55:41] Yes. [55:41] Pero we're able to get [55:42] everyone [55:43] na recorded po ito. [55:45] So the report [55:46] plus the attachments [55:47] so that we have [55:48] a full appreciation [55:50] of your documents. [55:51] Thank you. [55:52] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [55:53] Thank you, [55:54] Attorney, [55:55] Senator Pangilinan. [55:57] Doon po sa ibang guest po natin, [55:58] do you have any presentations [56:00] or opening statement? [56:02] Please make it brief. [56:05] Our invited guests. [56:07] The Prosecutor General, [56:09] Prosecutor General Padulion. [56:13] Good morning, Mr. Chair. [56:14] Good morning, [56:15] Honorable Senators [56:15] and members of the committee. [56:17] We do not have a presentation, [56:18] Mr. Chair, [56:19] although we have a report [56:20] on the status of the cases [56:21] that have been filed [56:22] and investigated [56:23] by the Department of Justice. [56:25] As of June 5, [56:26] 2026, [56:28] there were 14 cases [56:29] which were endorsed [56:30] to the Department of Justice [56:31] for preliminary investigation. [56:34] 13 of these [56:35] have been endorsed already [56:36] or have been resolved [56:37] and have been endorsed [56:38] to the Office of the Ombudsman [56:39] for approval. [56:40] Some of them [56:41] have already been approved [56:42] and, in fact, [56:43] some of the cases [56:43] have already been filed [56:44] before the appropriate courts. [56:47] The remaining case [56:47] before the Department of Justice [56:49] is one involving [56:50] former Senator Bong Riviglia, [56:53] Roberto Bernardo, [56:55] Gerard Opelencia, [56:56] Henry Alcantara, [56:58] Corona, [56:59] Manny Bolosan, [57:00] Ruel Umali, [57:01] Arturo Gonzalez [57:02] for violation [57:03] of Republic Act 3019 [57:05] or the Anti-Graft [57:07] and Corrupt Practices Act, [57:08] plunder under Republic Act 7080 [57:11] and Article 210 [57:15] of the Revised Penal Code. [57:16] This case [57:17] is now just being edited [57:18] before it will be [57:19] subjected for review [57:21] and then for final approval. [57:23] Apart from these cases, [57:24] Mr. Chair, [57:25] there are also [57:26] Bureau of Internal Revenue cases [57:28] that were filed [57:29] against several personalities. [57:31] There were 20 BIR cases [57:33] filed with the Department of Justice [57:34] from 2025 to 2026. [57:37] Of these cases, [57:39] seven have already been filed [57:40] and the corresponding [57:43] information filed in court. [57:45] Twelve have been dismissed [57:46] and one is submitted [57:47] for resolution. [57:48] The remaining case [57:49] is the one [57:49] which involves [57:50] Mark Allen Villamore Arevalo [57:54] of Wawa Builders [57:55] for violation [57:56] of Section 254 [57:58] and 255 [57:59] of the National Internal Revenue Code [58:00] of 1997. [58:03] Also, we would like [58:04] to report, Mr. Chair, [58:06] that as of today, [58:08] covered by [58:09] the Witness Protection Program [58:10] of the Department of Justice [58:12] are seven personalities, [58:15] namely, [58:16] Yusek Roberto Bernardo, [58:18] Engineer Henry Alcantara, [58:20] Engineer Gerard Opalencia, [58:22] Sally Santos, [58:24] Monica Santos, [58:25] Virgil Nino Garcia, [58:27] and Francisco De La Fuente Jr. [58:29] And lastly, [58:30] we would like to report, [58:31] Mr. Chair, [58:32] that as of today, [58:34] the amount of [58:38] people's money recovered [58:39] and have been turned over [58:40] to the land bank [58:42] totals [58:43] 841,381,500,000. [58:48] That's all for the [58:50] Department of Justice, [58:51] Mr. Chair. [58:52] Thank you. [58:52] Thank you, [58:53] Prosecutor General Fadulion. [58:54] Just one quick question. [58:56] Ito pong pagka-file [58:57] po ninyo naman, [58:58] where did this come from? [59:00] Is this the result [59:00] of the Blue Ribbon hearing [59:02] previous weeks and months? [59:04] Well, part of it, sir, [59:05] were as a result [59:07] of the investigation [59:09] or the hearings [59:11] before the Senate [59:12] Blue Ribbon Committee, [59:13] which were followed up [59:15] by the Department [59:15] and by the National Bureau [59:17] of Investigation, [59:18] as a consequence [59:18] of which cases were filed [59:20] with the Department [59:21] and the same were the ones [59:23] subjected to preliminary [59:24] investigation, sir. [59:25] Thank you, [59:27] Prosecutor General Fadulion. [59:29] We now move to the [59:31] Office of the Ombudsman, [59:32] Attorney Ravello [59:33] or Attorney Batu. [59:35] Do you have any presentation [59:36] or opening statement? [59:39] Magandang umaga po sa lahat. [59:41] Good morning, [59:41] Your Honor. [59:42] Good morning, [59:43] Honorable Chairperson. [59:46] Wala po kaming presentation, [59:47] but we also have a report. [59:50] Without going into details po, [59:52] doing so might jeopardize [59:54] our ongoing investigations. [59:56] But I'm going to report [59:58] on the complaints [1:00:01] received by our office [1:00:02] from 2025 and to 2026. [1:00:06] So for 2025 po, [1:00:08] we have cases [1:00:10] under packfinding investigation [1:00:12] totaling to 124. [1:00:15] And for 2026, [1:00:17] meron po kaming [1:00:17] packfinding investigation [1:00:19] totaling to 209. [1:00:22] And meron din po kaming [1:00:24] undergoing preliminary investigation [1:00:26] and administrative adjudication [1:00:28] for 2025. [1:00:30] 29 po yun [1:00:31] and 2026, [1:00:32] meron pong lima. [1:00:33] As to the cases [1:00:34] filed in courts, [1:00:35] for 2025, [1:00:37] meron pong isang na file [1:00:38] sa lower court. [1:00:41] And then for 2026, [1:00:42] tatlo po. [1:00:43] Dalawa sa Sandigan Bayan [1:00:44] and one with the lower court. [1:00:47] Attorney Batu, [1:00:48] quick question lang. [1:00:49] Kasi the people are wondering, [1:00:51] parang sobrang bagal [1:00:53] na umusad. [1:00:54] I mean, [1:00:55] the Ombudsman, [1:00:55] the Office of the Ombudsman, [1:00:56] even the Office of the President [1:00:57] was saying, [1:00:59] and people are waiting [1:01:00] na we want proof [1:01:01] na the government [1:01:02] is moving [1:01:03] and serious [1:01:03] in this investigation. [1:01:05] Wala pong lumalabas. [1:01:06] Isa pa lamang po [1:01:07] na labasan ng warant. [1:01:08] Actually, [1:01:08] dalawa pa lang. [1:01:09] The former Senator Revilla [1:01:10] and then Senator Jingoy. [1:01:12] The question now, [1:01:13] the people is like, [1:01:14] kailan po kaya [1:01:14] lalabas yung ibang mga warants? [1:01:16] Meron na bo bang [1:01:17] palabas? [1:01:18] Because we keep on investigating, [1:01:20] we keep on parang [1:01:21] puro tay kwento [1:01:22] pero ala nam pong wenta, [1:01:23] ala nangyayari. [1:01:24] Kaya, [1:01:24] people are really waiting [1:01:25] na if this government [1:01:27] is serious [1:01:28] in its investigation [1:01:29] na may mangyayari, [1:01:31] then can we expect soon [1:01:33] na meron pong mga [1:01:34] arrest warrants [1:01:35] na Sandigan Bayan [1:01:36] will issue, [1:01:37] I mean, [1:01:37] from your office, [1:01:39] Attorney Batu? [1:01:42] Your Honor, [1:01:42] as these cases [1:01:44] are already undergoing [1:01:45] preliminary investigation [1:01:47] and administrative adjudication [1:01:49] before we're going [1:01:50] to file the necessary information [1:01:52] with the appropriate courts. [1:01:54] So, [1:01:54] I'm not at liberty [1:01:57] to say kung ano na po [1:01:59] yung mga [1:01:59] for filing sa courts [1:02:01] or ano na po yung mga [1:02:02] kung sino-sino po [1:02:04] yung pa-filan [1:02:05] ng mga information sa courts. [1:02:09] Go ahead, [1:02:10] Senator Bang. [1:02:12] Maraming salamat, [1:02:13] Mr. Chairman. [1:02:13] This question is for [1:02:15] the Ombudsman. [1:02:16] Ito pong mga affidavits [1:02:18] ng ating 18 former bodyguards [1:02:21] po ni Zaldico, [1:02:23] ito po ba'y iniimbestigan [1:02:24] rin po ninyo? [1:02:25] Kasama ba ito [1:02:26] sa nabanggit nyong [1:02:27] for fact finding [1:02:28] or preliminary investigation? [1:02:31] I'm not at any liberty [1:02:33] to say that, [1:02:34] pero from what I know, [1:02:37] from my personal knowledge, [1:02:39] kasi ako po yung OIC [1:02:40] ng Central Records Division, [1:02:42] when all documents [1:02:44] addressed to the Ombudsman [1:02:45] or filed with the office [1:02:47] of the Ombudsman [1:02:48] usually undergo evaluation po kasi. [1:02:50] So when it was evaluated [1:02:52] by our lawyer evaluators [1:02:54] and reviewed and approved [1:02:55] by our officials, [1:02:57] we sent a notice [1:02:58] to [1:02:59] Attorney Baligod [1:03:02] saying that [1:03:03] what the office requires [1:03:05] yung [1:03:07] tigi-isa pong [1:03:09] affidavit [1:03:10] for the Marines [1:03:11] to declare [1:03:12] or to state [1:03:13] their personal knowledge [1:03:14] dun sa mga [1:03:15] statements nila. [1:03:16] Hindi po yung [1:03:16] kolektibo? [1:03:18] Yes. [1:03:18] Kasi parang [1:03:19] collective, [1:03:20] isa lang po yung [1:03:21] joint affidavit [1:03:22] nilang lahat. [1:03:23] So when it was [1:03:24] evaluated, [1:03:26] sabi po nung [1:03:26] lawyer evaluator [1:03:27] namin [1:03:29] and then it was [1:03:30] reviewed and approved [1:03:30] by our officials [1:03:31] na parang [1:03:32] hindi pwedeng lahat sila [1:03:34] iisa lang ang sinasabi [1:03:36] kasi yung mga [1:03:37] sinasabi nilang [1:03:38] dinala nila [1:03:38] ilan lang naman doon [1:03:40] ang nandun na present [1:03:41] so others [1:03:41] hindi naman din present [1:03:43] so they cannot have [1:03:44] a collective affidavit. [1:03:45] Okay. [1:03:46] So kung kumbaga po [1:03:47] siniseryoso ninyo [1:03:50] itong mga [1:03:50] allegasyon na ito [1:03:52] at nag-next step kayo [1:03:53] which is to ask [1:03:54] for individual [1:03:55] affidavits. [1:03:56] Tama po yun [1:03:57] Attorney Batu? [1:03:58] Yes, Your Honor. [1:03:59] At nakapagsummit ba [1:04:00] ng individual [1:04:00] affidavits? [1:04:02] As far as I know [1:04:03] wala pa po. [1:04:03] Okay. [1:04:04] Kasi dito po sa [1:04:05] Blue Ribbon [1:04:06] you know [1:04:07] many of our [1:04:08] resource persons [1:04:08] have been here [1:04:09] for months already. [1:04:11] Marami po talagang [1:04:12] paratang. [1:04:14] Maraming na [1:04:15] nabibring up. [1:04:16] Kadalasan po [1:04:17] mga kasama rin po [1:04:18] namin sa [1:04:19] Liz Latura. [1:04:21] Kasama namin dito. [1:04:23] Pero ang expectation [1:04:24] po namin [1:04:24] merong further [1:04:25] investigation yan [1:04:26] para malaman [1:04:27] may corroborative [1:04:28] evidence [1:04:29] may further [1:04:29] investigation [1:04:30] at [1:04:31] syempre po [1:04:33] marami po [1:04:33] dito [1:04:34] maraming [1:04:35] sinasabi [1:04:36] maraming [1:04:36] denial [1:04:37] pero yung [1:04:37] pinaka [1:04:37] mainam talaga [1:04:39] kung talagang [1:04:40] totoong [1:04:40] iniimbestighan [1:04:41] itong mga to [1:04:41] at magagaling [1:04:42] mismo sa [1:04:43] mga hensya [1:04:43] kung meron ba [1:04:44] talagang [1:04:45] bigat ito [1:04:46] o wala. [1:04:47] So [1:04:48] sinasabi po ninyo [1:04:49] tinutuloy nyo [1:04:50] yung [1:04:50] investigation [1:04:50] pero [1:04:51] hindi pa sila [1:04:52] nagsasubmit [1:04:53] ng [1:04:53] individual [1:04:54] affidavit [1:04:55] para talagang [1:04:56] mahimay [1:04:56] at malaman [1:04:57] kung [1:04:57] meron pa [1:04:58] talagang [1:04:58] probative [1:04:59] value [1:04:59] yung [1:05:00] kanilang [1:05:00] mga [1:05:00] statement [1:05:00] Tama po [1:05:01] ba yun [1:05:01] Attorney [1:05:02] Batu? [1:05:05] Your [1:05:05] order [1:05:06] upon [1:05:07] evaluation [1:05:08] we [1:05:08] required [1:05:09] the [1:05:09] handling [1:05:10] lawyer [1:05:11] to [1:05:12] please [1:05:13] submit [1:05:15] individual [1:05:16] joint [1:05:16] affidavit [1:05:17] of the [1:05:17] Marines. [1:05:17] Kung makapagbigay [1:05:18] po sila [1:05:18] ng [1:05:19] individual [1:05:19] affidavit [1:05:20] o kaya [1:05:20] ngayon [1:05:20] kung pumunta [1:05:21] po sila [1:05:21] dito [1:05:22] may kanya-kanyang [1:05:23] testimonya [1:05:24] under oath [1:05:25] at nakuha [1:05:26] po nyo yun [1:05:27] ano po yung [1:05:28] responsibilidad [1:05:28] ng [1:05:29] ombudsman? [1:05:29] Hindi ho ba [1:05:30] para [1:05:30] investigahan [1:05:31] pa rin [1:05:31] po yan [1:05:31] at hanapin [1:05:32] yung [1:05:33] katotohanan? [1:05:35] Going to [1:05:36] the usual [1:05:36] process [1:05:37] or order [1:05:37] if it's [1:05:38] sufficient [1:05:39] in form [1:05:39] and [1:05:40] substance [1:05:40] yung [1:05:40] kanila [1:05:41] if it's [1:05:41] the form [1:05:42] of a [1:05:42] complaint [1:05:43] affidavit [1:05:43] and then [1:05:44] it's [1:05:44] sufficient [1:05:44] in form [1:05:45] and [1:05:45] substance [1:05:46] pwede po [1:05:46] siyang [1:05:46] mag-undergo [1:05:47] ng [1:05:48] preliminary [1:05:48] investigation [1:05:49] At [1:05:49] kayo [1:05:50] po [1:05:50] mismo [1:05:50] attorney [1:05:51] yung [1:05:51] nag-iimbestiga [1:05:51] o ipapasa [1:05:52] po nyo [1:05:52] sa [1:05:52] NBI [1:05:53] o sa [1:05:54] DOJ? [1:05:56] Kami [1:05:57] po [1:05:57] pwede [1:05:58] po [1:05:58] namin [1:05:58] investigahan [1:05:59] diretsyo [1:06:00] yun [1:06:00] preliminary [1:06:00] investigation [1:06:01] din po [1:06:02] kasi [1:06:02] we [1:06:02] have [1:06:03] our [1:06:03] bureaus [1:06:04] doing [1:06:04] that [1:06:04] Okay [1:06:05] So [1:06:05] in [1:06:05] usual [1:06:05] practice [1:06:06] kapag [1:06:06] may [1:06:06] mga [1:06:07] bagong [1:06:07] impormasyon [1:06:08] ano [1:06:08] po yung [1:06:09] proseso [1:06:09] po [1:06:09] ninyo [1:06:09] do [1:06:10] you [1:06:10] forward [1:06:11] it [1:06:11] to [1:06:11] the [1:06:12] other [1:06:12] agencies [1:06:12] for [1:06:13] further [1:06:13] investigation [1:06:14] o [1:06:14] kayo [1:06:14] mismo [1:06:14] yung [1:06:15] nag-iimbestiga [1:06:15] Yung [1:06:16] packfinding [1:06:17] investigation [1:06:18] po [1:06:18] our [1:06:19] office [1:06:19] yun [1:06:20] nagkakonduct [1:06:21] talaga [1:06:21] ng [1:06:21] packfinding [1:06:22] investigations [1:06:23] For [1:06:23] context [1:06:24] po [1:06:24] Your [1:06:24] Honor [1:06:24] yung [1:06:25] mga [1:06:25] sinasubject [1:06:26] to [1:06:26] packfinding [1:06:27] investigations [1:06:28] are [1:06:29] those [1:06:29] complaint [1:06:29] like [1:06:30] anonymous [1:06:30] na [1:06:31] hindi [1:06:32] siya [1:06:32] sufficient [1:06:32] informed [1:06:33] but [1:06:33] merong [1:06:34] mga [1:06:34] verifiable [1:06:34] needs [1:06:35] Okay [1:06:35] At [1:06:36] hindi [1:06:36] pa [1:06:36] yun [1:06:37] nagagawa [1:06:37] para [1:06:38] sa [1:06:38] affidavits [1:06:39] ng [1:06:39] mga [1:06:40] 18 [1:06:40] bodyguards [1:06:41] kasi [1:06:41] hindi pa [1:06:42] sila [1:06:42] nagsasubmit [1:06:42] ng [1:06:42] individual [1:06:43] na [1:06:43] affidavit [1:06:44] Is that [1:06:45] correct? [1:06:45] Yan ba [1:06:45] yung [1:06:45] tamang [1:06:46] proseso? [1:06:47] So [1:06:48] yun po [1:06:49] ang last [1:06:49] ano [1:06:49] namin [1:06:50] sa [1:06:50] kanila [1:06:50] evaluation [1:06:52] is [1:06:52] for [1:06:52] them [1:06:53] to [1:06:53] submit [1:06:53] individual [1:06:55] affidavits [1:06:57] At [1:06:57] kung [1:06:57] makapagsubmit [1:06:58] po [1:06:58] sila [1:06:59] ano [1:06:59] po [1:06:59] yung [1:07:00] magiging [1:07:00] susunod [1:07:00] na [1:07:01] proseso [1:07:01] doon? [1:07:01] It [1:07:01] will [1:07:02] still [1:07:02] be [1:07:02] subject [1:07:02] to [1:07:02] evaluation [1:07:03] Your [1:07:03] Honor [1:07:04] so [1:07:04] kasi [1:07:04] we'll [1:07:05] just [1:07:05] check [1:07:05] kung [1:07:06] kumpleto [1:07:07] siya [1:07:07] like [1:07:08] I [1:07:08] said [1:07:08] sufficient [1:07:10] informant [1:07:10] substance [1:07:11] that [1:07:11] can [1:07:12] go [1:07:12] through [1:07:12] directly [1:07:13] to [1:07:13] the [1:07:13] preliminary [1:07:14] investigation [1:07:15] Kung [1:07:15] hindi [1:07:15] naman [1:07:16] we can [1:07:17] forward [1:07:18] it [1:07:18] to [1:07:18] the [1:07:19] field [1:07:19] investigation [1:07:19] office [1:07:20] for [1:07:20] the [1:07:20] kind [1:07:20] of [1:07:21] fact [1:07:21] finding [1:07:21] investigation [1:07:22] I guess [1:07:24] kasi [1:07:25] Attorney [1:07:25] Batu [1:07:25] yung [1:07:26] binabato [1:07:27] kasi [1:07:27] parang [1:07:28] hindi [1:07:28] daw [1:07:28] pinapansin [1:07:29] yung [1:07:29] mga [1:07:30] ibang [1:07:32] testimony [1:07:33] nila [1:07:33] o [1:07:33] nasa [1:07:34] affidavit [1:07:34] yan yung [1:07:34] kanilang [1:07:35] binabato [1:07:36] ngayon [1:07:36] gusto [1:07:36] kong [1:07:37] malaman [1:07:37] hindi [1:07:38] nyo [1:07:38] naman [1:07:38] sinasara [1:07:39] ito [1:07:39] humihingi [1:07:39] kayo [1:07:40] ng [1:07:40] further [1:07:40] affidavit [1:07:41] para [1:07:41] ma [1:07:42] fact [1:07:42] finding [1:07:42] kasi [1:07:42] lahat [1:07:43] kami [1:07:43] dito [1:07:43] pwedeng [1:07:44] fact [1:07:44] finding [1:07:44] diba [1:07:44] Tama [1:07:45] naman [1:07:50] Well [1:07:56] tama [1:07:56] po [1:07:56] yun [1:07:57] kagaya [1:07:57] nga [1:07:58] po [1:07:58] doon [1:07:58] sa [1:07:58] sinabi [1:07:58] namin [1:07:59] Senator [1:08:00] Mr. [1:08:01] Chair [1:08:01] is [1:08:01] hindi [1:08:02] kami [1:08:03] makapunta [1:08:03] doon [1:08:04] sa [1:08:04] kanilang [1:08:04] allegasyon [1:08:05] dahil [1:08:05] doon [1:08:05] mismo [1:08:05] sa [1:08:06] kanilang [1:08:06] isinabit [1:08:07] na [1:08:07] affidavit [1:08:08] at [1:08:08] nung [1:08:08] kinuha [1:08:09] namin [1:08:09] sila [1:08:09] ng [1:08:09] pahayag [1:08:10] isa-isa [1:08:10] ayaw [1:08:10] naman [1:08:11] din [1:08:11] pirmahan [1:08:11] so [1:08:12] paano [1:08:12] po [1:08:12] tayo [1:08:13] magtutungo [1:08:14] doon [1:08:14] sa [1:08:14] next [1:08:14] step [1:08:14] na [1:08:15] ipapatawag [1:08:15] natin [1:08:16] yung [1:08:16] mga [1:08:20] bakit [1:08:24] kinakailangan [1:08:25] individual [1:08:26] affidavit [1:08:27] hindi ba [1:08:27] pwede [1:08:28] yung [1:08:28] grupo [1:08:28] sila [1:08:29] mag [1:08:29] issue [1:08:30] na [1:08:30] affidavit [1:08:30] yun [1:08:31] na nga [1:08:31] po [1:08:31] yung [1:08:31] binabanggit [1:08:32] namin [1:08:32] kasi [1:08:33] yung [1:08:33] probative [1:08:33] value [1:08:34] po [1:08:34] nito [1:08:34] mababa [1:08:35] kasi [1:08:35] ang [1:08:35] affidavit [1:08:36] po [1:08:36] dapat [1:08:36] base [1:08:37] sa [1:08:37] yung [1:08:37] karanasan [1:08:38] sa [1:08:38] sarili [1:08:39] mong [1:08:39] recollection [1:08:40] tapos [1:08:41] yung [1:08:41] pag [1:08:41] identify [1:08:42] kung [1:08:42] maalala [1:08:43] nyo [1:08:43] po [1:08:43] bahasa [1:08:43] doon [1:08:44] sa [1:08:44] binanggit [1:08:44] ko [1:08:50] sila [1:08:51] ng [1:08:51] mga [1:08:51] additional [1:08:51] na [1:08:52] ebidensya [1:08:52] hinihingan [1:08:53] sila [1:08:53] ng [1:08:54] kanya [1:08:54] kanyang [1:08:54] pahayag [1:08:55] pero [1:08:55] binigyan [1:08:56] po [1:08:56] namin [1:08:56] ng [1:08:56] supesyenteng [1:08:57] panahon [1:08:58] para [1:08:58] magsumitin [1:08:58] ito [1:08:59] para [1:09:00] makaproceed [1:09:00] po [1:09:00] kami [1:09:01] to do [1:09:02] a [1:09:02] fact [1:09:02] finding [1:09:02] doon [1:09:02] po [1:09:03] sa [1:09:03] mga [1:09:03] binanggit [1:09:04] na [1:09:04] pangalan [1:09:04] So [1:09:05] nakapag [1:09:06] issue [1:09:07] na ba [1:09:07] ng [1:09:07] kanyang [1:09:08] affidavit [1:09:08] itong [1:09:09] labing [1:09:09] walang [1:09:09] kargador [1:09:10] have [1:09:11] they [1:09:11] issued [1:09:11] kasi [1:09:12] sabi [1:09:12] nyo [1:09:13] paiba [1:09:21] pinigilan [1:09:22] ni [1:09:22] attorney [1:09:22] balikod [1:09:23] na [1:09:23] pumirma [1:09:23] gusto [1:09:23] pa [1:09:24] nga [1:09:24] punitin [1:09:24] yung [1:09:24] kanilang [1:09:25] naging [1:09:25] statement [1:09:26] ngayon [1:09:27] base [1:09:27] po [1:09:27] kung [1:09:28] tatanungin [1:09:28] inap ba [1:09:29] na para [1:09:30] mag-imbestiga [1:09:31] hindi [1:09:31] po [1:09:31] tatayo [1:09:32] baka [1:09:32] mangyari [1:09:33] po [1:09:33] sa [1:09:33] NBI [1:09:33] nagkakaroon [1:09:34] kami [1:09:34] ng [1:09:34] fishing [1:09:35] expedition [1:09:35] para [1:09:36] may mga [1:09:36] binanggit [1:09:37] na [1:09:37] pangalan [1:09:37] ay [1:09:38] investigahan [1:09:38] namin [1:09:39] pero [1:09:39] hindi [1:09:40] po [1:09:40] namin [1:09:40] isinasara [1:09:41] yung [1:09:41] investigasyon [1:09:42] hanggang [1:09:42] ngayon [1:09:42] bukas [1:09:43] yung [1:09:43] investigasyon [1:09:44] kung [1:09:44] meron [1:09:45] pong [1:09:45] papasok [1:09:45] na [1:09:46] mga [1:09:46] ebidensya [1:09:46] na [1:09:47] direct [1:09:47] ang [1:09:48] magtuturo [1:09:48] o [1:09:48] matibay [1:09:49] na [1:09:49] ebidensya [1:09:50] na [1:09:50] napapasa [1:09:50] po [1:09:51] sa [1:09:51] probable [1:09:51] cost [1:09:52] na [1:09:52] tinatawag [1:09:52] or [1:09:53] reasonable [1:09:53] certificate [1:09:54] condition [1:09:54] Yung lima [1:09:54] po [1:09:54] na [1:09:55] nage-execute [1:09:55] ng [1:09:55] affidavit [1:09:56] individually [1:09:56] po [1:09:57] yun [1:09:57] Ano [1:10:01] pong [1:10:01] nilalaman [1:10:02] ng [1:10:02] affidavit [1:10:02] at [1:10:03] yun [1:10:04] po [1:10:04] ba [1:10:04] hindi [1:10:04] nagpabago [1:10:06] bago [1:10:07] o [1:10:07] pinahindigan [1:10:08] nila [1:10:08] kung [1:10:08] anong [1:10:09] affidavit [1:10:14] lang po [1:10:14] talaga [1:10:14] yung [1:10:15] direct [1:10:16] alam [1:10:16] nila [1:10:16] and [1:10:17] all [1:10:17] the [1:10:17] others [1:10:18] are [1:10:18] hearsay [1:10:19] lagi [1:10:19] nilang [1:10:19] itinuturo [1:10:20] yung [1:10:21] kung [1:10:21] sino-sinong [1:10:21] personalidad [1:10:22] po [1:10:22] o [1:10:22] nakita [1:10:23] nila [1:10:23] sa [1:10:23] group [1:10:23] So [1:10:24] ano [1:10:24] tawag [1:10:24] niyo [1:10:24] po [1:10:24] sa [1:10:25] ganong [1:10:25] klaseng [1:10:25] affidavit [1:10:26] na [1:10:26] hearsay [1:10:27] lang [1:10:27] pala [1:10:27] nanunumpa [1:10:28] sila [1:10:28] sa buong [1:10:29] katotohanan [1:10:29] yun [1:10:30] ang [1:10:30] pagkakaalam [1:10:30] nila [1:10:30] pero [1:10:31] yun [1:10:31] pala [1:10:31] yung [1:10:32] information [1:10:32] na [1:10:32] yun [1:10:32] ay [1:10:33] second [1:10:33] hand [1:10:33] o [1:10:33] third [1:10:33] hand [1:10:34] pala [1:10:34] yun [1:10:35] nagsasabi [1:10:36] na yan [1:10:38] yung [1:10:38] pinakamababang [1:10:39] value [1:10:39] ng [1:10:39] ebidensya [1:10:40] po [1:10:40] na [1:10:41] hindi [1:10:41] po [1:10:41] titindig [1:10:42] na [1:10:42] kahit [1:10:43] po [1:10:43] baka [1:10:43] pagdinala [1:10:44] namin [1:10:44] sa [1:10:44] DOJ [1:10:45] o [1:10:45] sa [1:10:45] ombudsman [1:10:46] ay [1:10:46] dun [1:10:46] pa [1:10:46] lang [1:10:46] po [1:10:46] sa [1:10:46] level [1:10:47] na [1:10:47] yun [1:10:47] hindi [1:10:48] na [1:10:48] po [1:10:48] pumasok [1:10:48] yung [1:10:48] kaso [1:10:49] sa [1:10:49] halip [1:10:49] na [1:10:49] po [1:10:50] na [1:10:50] tumibay [1:10:50] yung [1:10:50] kaso [1:10:51] doon [1:10:51] sa [1:10:52] mga [1:10:52] binabanggit [1:10:52] mahalimbawa [1:10:53] na [1:10:53] meron [1:10:53] talagang [1:10:54] kinalaman [1:10:54] sa [1:10:55] anomalya [1:10:55] baka [1:10:56] makatulong [1:10:56] pa [1:10:57] ito [1:10:57] para [1:10:57] humina [1:10:57] po [1:10:58] yung [1:10:58] kaso [1:10:58] na [1:10:58] ilalaban [1:10:59] po [1:10:59] Okay [1:10:59] nung [1:11:00] April [1:11:00] 28 [1:11:01] po [1:11:01] 2026 [1:11:03] isa [1:11:03] pong [1:11:03] affidavit [1:11:04] na [1:11:05] in-execute [1:11:05] sa [1:11:05] special [1:11:06] action [1:11:06] unit [1:11:06] ng [1:11:07] NBI [1:11:07] ng [1:11:08] isa [1:11:09] sa [1:11:09] mga [1:11:09] kamag-anak [1:11:10] ng [1:11:10] labing [1:11:10] walong [1:11:10] kargador [1:11:11] Now [1:11:12] ready [1:11:13] na [1:11:13] ho [1:11:13] bang [1:11:13] NBI [1:11:14] na [1:11:14] i-present [1:11:14] po [1:11:14] yung [1:11:15] detalye [1:11:15] doon [1:11:15] sa [1:11:16] affidavit [1:11:16] na [1:11:16] yun [1:11:24] Pabuti [1:11:26] po [1:11:26] na [1:11:26] nabanggit [1:11:26] nyo yan [1:11:27] kasi [1:11:27] nangyari [1:11:28] nga po [1:11:28] yan [1:11:28] habang [1:11:29] nagkakaroon [1:11:30] sila [1:11:30] ng [1:11:30] pagdinig [1:11:33] dito [1:11:33] di ko alam [1:11:34] kung ano [1:11:34] pong [1:11:34] exactong [1:11:35] tawag [1:11:35] doon [1:11:36] na [1:11:36] hawak [1:11:37] na po [1:11:37] namin [1:11:38] yun [1:11:38] since [1:11:38] April [1:11:39] 28 [1:11:40] pa [1:11:40] tapos [1:11:41] bumalik [1:11:41] pa nga [1:11:42] po [1:11:42] para [1:11:42] ayusin [1:11:42] yung [1:11:43] kanyang [1:11:43] testimony [1:11:43] ito [1:11:44] po [1:11:44] parang [1:11:45] benan [1:11:46] po [1:11:46] niya [1:11:46] yung [1:11:46] isa [1:11:47] sa [1:11:47] miyembro [1:11:47] ng [1:11:47] 18 [1:11:48] bodyguards [1:11:50] na [1:11:51] sinasabi [1:11:52] niya [1:11:52] ang pinangako [1:11:53] po [1:11:53] na kinumbisi [1:11:55] sila [1:11:55] na sumama [1:11:56] sa pangako [1:11:57] na bibigyan [1:11:58] ang bawat [1:11:58] isa [1:11:58] ng 5 [1:11:59] milyon [1:11:59] pero [1:12:00] ang sinabi [1:12:01] hindi naman [1:12:01] po [1:12:01] nabigay [1:12:02] pa yung [1:12:02] 5 [1:12:02] milyon [1:12:03] ng [1:12:03] una [1:12:03] sabi [1:12:03] 700 [1:12:04] thousand [1:12:04] pero [1:12:05] ang [1:12:05] kabuan [1:12:05] pa lang [1:12:06] na [1:12:06] nabibigay [1:12:06] 350 [1:12:07] thousand [1:12:08] 500 [1:12:09] million [1:12:09] each [1:12:10] dapat [1:12:10] 5 [1:12:10] million [1:12:11] each [1:12:13] pero [1:12:13] hindi [1:12:14] naibigay [1:12:14] yung [1:12:14] 5 [1:12:14] million [1:12:15] each [1:12:15] wala [1:12:15] pa po [1:12:15] yata [1:12:15] naibibigay [1:12:16] base [1:12:16] po [1:12:17] doon [1:12:17] sa [1:12:17] testimony [1:12:18] manugang [1:12:20] sabi po [1:12:22] doon ito [1:12:23] yung [1:12:23] sa personal [1:12:23] account [1:12:24] 350 [1:12:25] sino [1:12:26] po [1:12:26] nabigyan [1:12:26] ng [1:12:26] 350 [1:12:27] out [1:12:27] of [1:12:27] that [1:12:27] si [1:12:27] galing [1:12:28] po [1:12:28] kay [1:12:28] Mike [1:12:28] Defensor [1:12:29] at [1:12:29] si [1:12:30] kasama [1:12:30] po [1:12:31] si [1:12:31] Atone [1:12:31] Balikud [1:12:31] yung [1:12:32] aming [1:12:32] pinapalawak [1:12:33] pa [1:12:33] kaya [1:12:34] nga [1:12:34] po [1:12:34] dami [1:12:34] sino [1:12:34] po [1:12:35] nakatanggap [1:12:36] nung [1:12:36] 350 [1:12:37] isang [1:12:37] ma [1:12:38] po [1:12:38] isa [1:12:38] pa [1:12:39] lang [1:12:39] po [1:12:39] si [1:12:40] yung [1:12:40] 17 [1:12:40] wala [1:12:41] pa [1:12:41] isa [1:12:41] lang [1:12:41] po [1:12:41] yung [1:12:42] may [1:12:42] recollection [1:12:42] hindi [1:12:43] ko po [1:12:43] alam [1:12:43] yun [1:12:44] sa [1:12:44] 17 [1:12:44] ibig [1:12:45] sabihin [1:12:45] po [1:12:45] Mr. [1:12:46] Chair [1:12:46] ang [1:12:47] recollection [1:12:48] po [1:12:48] nito [1:12:48] yun [1:12:49] sa [1:12:49] pag-uusap [1:12:50] nilang [1:12:50] dalawa [1:12:51] ng [1:12:51] kanyang [1:12:51] VNAN [1:12:52] So [1:12:52] ibig [1:12:52] sabihin [1:12:53] kaya [1:12:53] po [1:12:53] lumantad [1:12:54] itong [1:12:54] 18 [1:12:55] kargador [1:12:56] dahil [1:12:56] pinangakuha [1:12:57] po [1:12:57] silang [1:12:57] mabibigyan [1:12:58] ng [1:12:58] 5 [1:12:59] million [1:12:59] pesos [1:12:59] each [1:13:00] Yun [1:13:00] po [1:13:00] yung [1:13:00] sinasabi [1:13:01] isa [1:13:01] sa [1:13:01] membro [1:13:02] nila [1:13:02] pero [1:13:02] gusto [1:13:03] ko [1:13:03] po [1:13:03] liwanagin [1:13:04] I [1:13:04] will [1:13:04] take [1:13:04] the [1:13:04] opportunity [1:13:05] naliwanagin [1:13:06] kasi [1:13:06] narinig [1:13:07] ko po [1:13:07] pinapupunta [1:13:08] ko [1:13:08] rito [1:13:08] noon [1:13:08] ni [1:13:09] Senator [1:13:09] Cayetano [1:13:10] kasi [1:13:11] para [1:13:11] harapin [1:13:12] ko [1:13:13] si [1:13:13] Mike [1:13:14] Defensor [1:13:14] alam [1:13:15] naman [1:13:15] po [1:13:15] natin [1:13:16] na [1:13:16] hindi [1:13:16] naman [1:13:16] po [1:13:17] ganun [1:13:17] yung [1:13:17] proseso [1:13:17] ng [1:13:18] isang [1:13:18] committee [1:13:18] hearing [1:13:18] pero [1:13:20] unang [1:13:20] una [1:13:21] po [1:13:21] hindi [1:13:21] naman [1:13:22] po [1:13:22] ibig [1:13:22] sabihin [1:13:22] suspect [1:13:23] na [1:13:23] kagad [1:13:24] natin [1:13:24] or [1:13:24] akusado [1:13:25] na [1:13:25] si [1:13:25] Mike [1:13:25] Defensor [1:13:26] ang [1:13:27] NBI [1:13:27] po [1:13:27] nag-iissue [1:13:28] po [1:13:28] kami [1:13:28] nagsabwi [1:13:29] na [1:13:29] hindi [1:13:29] dahil [1:13:30] pinagsususpecha [1:13:30] kayo [1:13:31] kundi [1:13:32] as a part [1:13:32] of our [1:13:32] pack [1:13:33] finding [1:13:33] inaalam [1:13:34] nga po [1:13:34] namin [1:13:34] kung [1:13:35] mapatunayan [1:13:36] namin [1:13:36] na itong [1:13:37] tao [1:13:37] nagsisinungaling [1:13:38] laban [1:13:39] kay Mike [1:13:39] Defensor [1:13:40] tutulungan [1:13:40] pa po [1:13:41] namin [1:13:41] si [1:13:42] ginawong [1:13:42] Mike [1:13:42] Defensor [1:13:42] na [1:13:43] habulin [1:13:43] at [1:13:43] papanagutin [1:13:44] po [1:13:44] yung [1:13:44] tao [1:13:44] na yun [1:13:45] Okay [1:13:45] last [1:13:45] na [1:13:45] naman [1:13:45] alimbawa [1:13:46] po [1:13:46] napatunayan [1:13:48] ng NBI [1:13:48] na to [1:13:49] ngayong [1:13:49] allegasyon [1:13:50] na sila [1:13:50] po [1:13:51] ay [1:13:51] tumanggap [1:13:52] ng [1:13:52] 5 [1:13:52] million [1:13:53] in [1:13:53] exchange [1:13:53] for [1:13:53] false [1:13:54] testimony [1:13:54] Ano pong [1:13:55] kaso [1:13:55] noon? [1:13:56] Well, [1:13:56] may pananagutan [1:13:57] po yan [1:13:57] sa revised [1:13:58] penal [1:13:58] code [1:13:59] kasi [1:13:59] yung [1:14:00] pong [1:14:00] ikaw [1:14:00] nagihimok [1:14:02] ng [1:14:02] titistigo [1:14:03] para [1:14:04] kasuhan [1:14:04] ng [1:14:04] kriminal [1:14:05] yung [1:14:05] isang [1:14:05] tao [1:14:05] na [1:14:06] wala [1:14:06] naman [1:14:06] talaga [1:14:06] basihan [1:14:07] e [1:14:07] pinaparusahan [1:14:08] po yan [1:14:08] sa ilalim [1:14:09] ng [1:14:09] ating [1:14:09] revised [1:14:10] penal [1:14:10] code [1:14:10] At [1:14:10] yung [1:14:10] nagtistigo [1:14:11] nagbigay [1:14:11] ng [1:14:12] false [1:14:12] testimony [1:14:12] kapalit [1:14:13] ng [1:14:13] pera [1:14:13] Ano pong [1:14:14] kaso [1:14:15] May kaso [1:14:15] rin [1:14:15] po yan [1:14:16] pwede [1:14:16] managot [1:14:16] ng [1:14:17] perjury [1:14:17] po [1:14:17] Maraming [1:14:18] salamat [1:14:18] po [1:14:18] Mr. Chair [1:14:20] with the [1:14:20] indulgence [1:14:21] of [1:14:21] Senator [1:14:21] Bam [1:14:22] I'm done [1:14:23] Mr. [1:14:23] Chair [1:14:24] Go ahead [1:14:25] A follow-up [1:14:27] question [1:14:27] Mr. [1:14:27] Chair [1:14:28] Salamat [1:14:28] po [1:14:28] So [1:14:29] malinaw [1:14:30] na [1:14:31] dun sa [1:14:31] mga [1:14:31] aligasyon [1:14:32] ng [1:14:32] 18x [1:14:33] bodyguards [1:14:34] nagpapatuloy [1:14:35] ang [1:14:35] investigasyon [1:14:36] ng [1:14:36] NBI [1:14:37] and [1:14:38] then [1:14:38] kung [1:14:38] kanina [1:14:38] sa [1:14:39] ombudsman [1:14:40] ang [1:14:40] next [1:14:40] step [1:14:41] dun sa [1:14:41] mga [1:14:41] aligasyon [1:14:42] nila [1:14:42] ay [1:14:42] pinagsusumitin [1:14:44] nyo [1:14:44] sila [1:14:44] ng [1:14:44] tigi [1:14:45] isang [1:14:45] individual [1:14:46] affidavit [1:14:47] Sa [1:14:47] DOJ [1:14:48] naman po [1:14:49] ano yung [1:14:49] next steps [1:14:50] ng [1:14:51] department [1:14:51] dun sa [1:14:52] mga [1:14:53] aligasyon [1:14:53] ng [1:14:54] ex [1:14:54] bodyguards [1:14:55] Well as [1:14:55] far as [1:14:56] the DOJ [1:14:56] is concerned [1:14:57] ma'am [1:14:57] we will [1:14:58] work [1:14:58] together [1:14:59] with the [1:14:59] National [1:15:00] Bureau [1:15:00] of [1:15:00] Investigation [1:15:01] kasi [1:15:02] meron po [1:15:02] tayong [1:15:03] doon sa [1:15:03] fact [1:15:03] finding [1:15:04] or doon sa [1:15:04] case [1:15:04] build-up [1:15:05] dapat po [1:15:06] magkatuwang [1:15:06] yung [1:15:07] public [1:15:08] prosecutors [1:15:09] at saka [1:15:09] yung [1:15:09] ating [1:15:10] law [1:15:11] enforcement [1:15:11] so [1:15:12] yung [1:15:13] sinasabi [1:15:14] kanina [1:15:14] ni [1:15:14] director [1:15:15] binabaan [1:15:16] pa nga [1:15:16] daw po [1:15:16] nila [1:15:17] yung [1:15:17] antas [1:15:17] ng [1:15:17] ebidensya [1:15:18] which [1:15:19] is [1:15:19] probable [1:15:20] cause [1:15:20] only [1:15:21] but [1:15:22] again [1:15:22] as far [1:15:23] as [1:15:23] the [1:15:23] department [1:15:24] is [1:15:24] concerned [1:15:24] there [1:15:24] is [1:15:25] already [1:15:25] a [1:15:25] higher [1:15:25] standard [1:15:26] which [1:15:26] is [1:15:26] prima [1:15:27] facie [1:15:27] with [1:15:27] reasonable [1:15:28] certainty [1:15:28] of [1:15:28] conviction [1:15:29] if [1:15:30] doon [1:15:30] sinasabi [1:15:30] ni [1:15:31] director [1:15:31] hindi [1:15:31] na [1:15:32] lumulusot [1:15:32] sa [1:15:32] probable [1:15:33] cause [1:15:33] with [1:15:34] all [1:15:34] the [1:15:34] more [1:15:34] reason [1:15:35] it [1:15:35] cannot [1:15:35] prosper [1:15:36] or [1:15:36] not [1:15:36] even [1:15:36] be [1:15:37] accepted [1:15:37] by [1:15:38] the [1:15:38] department [1:15:38] kasi [1:15:39] sa [1:15:39] department [1:15:40] po [1:15:40] ngayon [1:15:40] hindi [1:15:41] po [1:15:41] komo [1:15:41] na [1:15:41] i-submit [1:15:42] o [1:15:42] na [1:15:42] file [1:15:42] yung [1:15:43] kaso [1:15:43] automatic [1:15:44] it [1:15:44] will [1:15:44] be [1:15:44] docketed [1:15:45] as [1:15:45] a [1:15:45] criminal [1:15:45] case [1:15:46] and [1:15:46] subject [1:15:46] to [1:15:47] preliminary [1:15:47] investigation [1:15:48] ang [1:15:49] mangyayari [1:15:49] po [1:15:49] ito [1:15:50] po [1:15:50] dadaan [1:15:50] pa [1:15:51] rin [1:15:51] sa [1:15:51] masusing [1:15:52] evaluation [1:15:52] para [1:15:53] malaman [1:15:54] kung [1:15:54] sapat [1:15:54] na [1:15:55] po [1:15:55] ba [1:15:55] yung [1:15:55] ebidensya [1:15:56] at [1:15:56] kung [1:15:56] ito [1:15:56] sapat [1:15:57] na [1:15:57] sa [1:15:57] kapadamang [1:15:58] po [1:15:58] ito [1:15:58] aakyat [1:15:59] para [1:15:59] maging [1:16:00] isang [1:16:00] kaso [1:16:01] criminal [1:16:01] case [1:16:02] which [1:16:02] should [1:16:03] be [1:16:03] subject [1:16:03] to [1:16:03] PI [1:16:03] tinitiyak [1:16:05] po [1:16:05] natin [1:16:06] kasi [1:16:06] na [1:16:06] kung [1:16:07] magsasampa [1:16:07] tayo [1:16:08] ng [1:16:08] kaso [1:16:08] ngayon [1:16:08] hindi [1:16:09] lang [1:16:09] yung [1:16:09] for [1:16:10] the [1:16:10] sake [1:16:10] of [1:16:10] filing [1:16:10] it [1:16:11] but [1:16:11] one [1:16:11] which [1:16:12] should [1:16:12] really [1:16:12] be [1:16:12] able [1:16:13] to [1:16:13] withstand [1:16:13] the [1:16:14] rigors [1:16:14] of [1:16:14] trial [1:16:14] kung [1:16:15] darating [1:16:15] po [1:16:15] tayo [1:16:15] sa [1:16:16] punto [1:16:16] na [1:16:16] yun [1:16:16] so [1:16:17] if [1:16:17] that [1:16:18] is [1:16:18] the [1:16:18] case [1:16:18] sa [1:16:19] malamang [1:16:19] at [1:16:19] sa [1:16:19] probable [1:16:21] cost [1:16:22] hindi [1:16:22] lulusot [1:16:23] sa [1:16:24] malamang [1:16:24] pag [1:16:24] sa [1:16:24] evaluation [1:16:25] pa [1:16:25] lang [1:16:25] baka [1:16:25] hindi [1:16:26] na [1:16:26] rin [1:16:26] makalusot [1:16:26] sa [1:16:26] department [1:16:27] yan [1:16:27] salamat [1:16:29] Mr. [1:16:29] Chair [1:16:29] gusto ko [1:16:30] lang [1:16:30] i-make [1:16:30] a record [1:16:31] na [1:16:31] na-appreciate [1:16:32] ko po [1:16:32] yung [1:16:33] efforts [1:16:33] ng [1:16:34] DOJ [1:16:36] ang [1:16:36] Office [1:16:37] of the [1:16:37] Ombudsman [1:16:37] at [1:16:37] NBI [1:16:38] lalo [1:16:39] na yung [1:16:39] huling [1:16:39] sinabi [1:16:40] ni [1:16:40] Prosecutor [1:16:41] General [1:16:42] Fadulion [1:16:42] may [1:16:43] certain [1:16:43] liberality [1:16:45] na [1:16:45] sinusubukang [1:16:46] gamitin [1:16:47] and yet [1:16:48] hinahanda [1:16:49] ng [1:16:49] maayos [1:16:50] kung [1:16:50] anumang [1:16:51] mga [1:16:51] kaso [1:16:52] para [1:16:52] talagang [1:16:52] ang [1:16:52] maging [1:16:53] resulta [1:16:53] ay [1:16:54] mahanap [1:16:54] po [1:16:54] yung [1:16:55] katotohanan [1:16:56] and I [1:16:56] hope [1:16:56] everyone [1:16:57] around [1:16:57] the [1:16:58] table [1:16:58] and [1:16:58] even [1:16:58] those [1:16:59] na [1:16:59] hindi [1:16:59] dumalo [1:17:00] sa [1:17:00] table [1:17:01] ay [1:17:01] na-appreciate [1:17:02] po [1:17:02] yung [1:17:02] effort [1:17:03] na [1:17:03] ganoon [1:17:03] Salamat [1:17:04] Mr. [1:17:04] Chair [1:17:04] Thank you [1:17:05] Just a [1:17:05] quick [1:17:06] question [1:17:06] Mr. [1:17:06] Chairman [1:17:07] Sabi [1:17:08] ng [1:17:08] ating [1:17:09] representative [1:17:10] ng [1:17:10] Ombudsman [1:17:11] ang [1:17:12] hiniling [1:17:12] nila [1:17:12] ay [1:17:13] gawing [1:17:13] individual [1:17:14] affidavits [1:17:14] dahil [1:17:15] omnibus [1:17:16] affidavit [1:17:17] yung [1:17:17] sinumiti [1:17:17] Ganon [1:17:18] din [1:17:18] ang [1:17:18] sinabi [1:17:19] ng [1:17:19] ating [1:17:19] director [1:17:19] Individual [1:17:21] affidavits [1:17:22] at [1:17:23] hindi [1:17:23] pwede [1:17:23] itong [1:17:24] labing [1:17:24] walo [1:17:24] ay [1:17:24] pumirman [1:17:25] ng [1:17:25] isang [1:17:25] affidavit [1:17:26] Can [1:17:26] we [1:17:26] get [1:17:27] the [1:17:27] sense [1:17:27] of [1:17:27] the [1:17:27] prosecutor [1:17:28] general [1:17:28] how [1:17:29] do [1:17:29] you [1:17:29] treat [1:17:30] as a [1:17:31] general [1:17:31] rule [1:17:32] how [1:17:32] do [1:17:32] you [1:17:32] treat [1:17:32] an [1:17:33] omnibus [1:17:34] affidavit [1:17:35] of [1:17:35] 15 [1:17:35] 20 [1:17:36] maybe [1:17:37] 40 [1:17:38] people [1:17:38] I [1:17:38] don't [1:17:38] know [1:17:39] Mr. [1:17:41] Chair [1:17:41] if a [1:17:42] joint [1:17:43] affidavit [1:17:43] is [1:17:43] submitted [1:17:44] to the [1:17:44] Department [1:17:45] of [1:17:45] Justice [1:17:45] and [1:17:46] this [1:17:46] joint [1:17:46] affidavit [1:17:47] is [1:17:47] signed [1:17:48] by [1:17:48] let's [1:17:48] say [1:17:49] 10 [1:17:49] or [1:17:50] 18 [1:17:50] people [1:17:50] for [1:17:50] that [1:17:51] matter [1:17:51] kapag [1:17:53] hindi [1:17:53] wala [1:17:53] po [1:17:53] qualification [1:17:54] doon [1:17:54] sa [1:17:54] affidavit [1:17:55] doon [1:17:55] sa [1:17:55] salaysay [1:17:56] na [1:17:57] ito [1:17:57] po [1:17:57] ay [1:17:58] was [1:18:00] taken [1:18:00] was [1:18:01] participated [1:18:01] in [1:18:02] by [1:18:02] this [1:18:02] particular [1:18:03] individual [1:18:04] it [1:18:04] would [1:18:04] appear [1:18:05] as [1:18:05] far [1:18:05] as [1:18:06] the [1:18:06] reader [1:18:06] is [1:18:06] concerned [1:18:07] that [1:18:08] lahat [1:18:08] po [1:18:08] sila [1:18:08] na [1:18:08] nakapirma [1:18:09] doon [1:18:09] lahat [1:18:10] sila [1:18:10] may [1:18:10] personal [1:18:10] na [1:18:11] kaalaman [1:18:11] doon [1:18:12] sa [1:18:12] mga [1:18:13] nakasalaysay [1:18:14] doon [1:18:14] kaya [1:18:14] sinasabi [1:18:15] lagi [1:18:15] po [1:18:15] namin [1:18:16] kung [1:18:16] magjo [1:18:16] joint [1:18:17] affidavit [1:18:17] tiyakin [1:18:18] ninyo [1:18:18] na [1:18:19] lahat [1:18:19] po [1:18:19] nang [1:18:19] nakasaad [1:18:20] yan [1:18:20] ay [1:18:21] merong [1:18:21] personal [1:18:22] na [1:18:22] kaalaman [1:18:23] kung [1:18:23] wala [1:18:24] naman [1:18:24] po [1:18:24] pwede [1:18:25] po [1:18:25] silang [1:18:25] magkaroon [1:18:25] ng [1:18:26] qualification [1:18:26] doon [1:18:27] mismo [1:18:27] sa [1:18:27] joint [1:18:27] affidavit [1:18:28] na [1:18:29] sabihin [1:18:29] patungkol [1:18:30] po [1:18:30] dito [1:18:31] sa [1:18:31] pangyayaring [1:18:31] to [1:18:32] tanging [1:18:32] itong [1:18:33] mga [1:18:33] tao [1:18:33] lamang [1:18:34] na [1:18:34] ito [1:18:34] ang [1:18:34] merong [1:18:35] kabahagi [1:18:36] or [1:18:36] naging [1:18:36] bahagi [1:18:37] pero [1:18:37] if [1:18:38] there [1:18:38] is [1:18:38] no [1:18:39] such [1:18:39] qualification [1:18:40] then [1:18:40] I [1:18:41] would [1:18:41] have [1:18:41] to [1:18:41] concede [1:18:42] to [1:18:42] the [1:18:43] strategy [1:18:44] being [1:18:44] undertaken [1:18:45] by [1:18:45] the [1:18:45] NBI [1:18:46] as [1:18:46] well [1:18:46] as [1:18:47] the [1:18:47] ombudsman [1:18:47] that [1:18:48] it's [1:18:49] better [1:18:49] to [1:18:49] really [1:18:49] have [1:18:50] individual [1:18:51] affidavits [1:18:52] because [1:18:52] it's [1:18:53] also [1:18:53] a way [1:18:54] of [1:18:54] trying [1:18:55] to [1:18:55] compare [1:18:56] and [1:18:56] test [1:18:56] the [1:18:57] credibility [1:18:57] of [1:18:58] these [1:18:58] witnesses [1:18:59] kapag [1:19:00] again [1:19:01] yung [1:19:01] sinabi [1:19:02] po [1:19:02] kanina [1:19:02] Supreme [1:19:03] Court [1:19:03] has [1:19:04] already [1:19:04] decided [1:19:04] in a [1:19:05] host [1:19:05] of [1:19:05] cases [1:19:06] that [1:19:06] when [1:19:07] affidavits [1:19:08] perfectly [1:19:09] or [1:19:09] the [1:19:09] allegations [1:19:10] or [1:19:10] statements [1:19:10] perfectly [1:19:11] dovetail [1:19:12] ibig [1:19:12] sabihin [1:19:13] pag [1:19:13] tinignan [1:19:14] nyo [1:19:14] parang [1:19:14] talagang [1:19:15] pattern [1:19:16] talaga [1:19:17] siya [1:19:18] inakadudaduda [1:19:19] po yung [1:19:19] ganon [1:19:19] mas maigi [1:19:20] po yung [1:19:21] merong [1:19:21] konting [1:19:21] inconsistency [1:19:22] because [1:19:23] it gives [1:19:24] badges [1:19:24] of truth [1:19:25] to it [1:19:25] rather than [1:19:26] if it [1:19:27] perfectly [1:19:27] dovetails [1:19:28] and then [1:19:28] it says [1:19:29] practically [1:19:29] the same [1:19:30] thing [1:19:30] then [1:19:31] there is [1:19:32] something [1:19:32] questionable [1:19:33] about [1:19:33] that [1:19:34] Mr. Chair [1:19:35] quickly [1:19:35] before [1:19:36] we [1:19:36] indulge [1:19:37] actually [1:19:38] after [1:19:39] Senator [1:19:40] Rafi [1:19:41] it's your turn [1:19:42] okay [1:19:43] para lang [1:19:44] bago [1:19:44] natin [1:19:45] iwanan [1:19:46] itong [1:19:46] subject [1:19:46] sa affidavit [1:19:47] Mr. Chair [1:19:49] siguro [1:19:50] hindi [1:19:50] hudaman [1:19:51] sa [1:19:51] Central [1:19:51] Division [1:19:53] Office [1:19:53] ng [1:19:53] Ombudsman [1:19:54] pero [1:19:54] itong [1:19:54] affidavit [1:19:55] na lima [1:19:55] ay [1:19:56] nakakuha [1:19:57] po [1:19:57] from [1:19:58] Deputy [1:19:59] Ombudsman [1:19:59] Nico [1:20:01] Clabano [1:20:02] and also [1:20:02] si [1:20:03] Director [1:20:03] Matibag [1:20:03] Mr. Chair [1:20:05] Iba po [1:20:06] yung [1:20:06] pinirmahan [1:20:07] pag [1:20:08] pinirmahan [1:20:08] ang affidavit [1:20:09] ibig sabihin [1:20:10] pag [1:20:10] pag [1:20:11] pag [1:20:11] pag [1:20:12] pag [1:20:13] pag [1:20:13] palagay na [1:20:13] natin [1:20:13] 10% [1:20:14] nga lang [1:20:15] ang [1:20:15] totoo [1:20:15] doon [1:20:16] pero may [1:20:17] magagamit [1:20:18] pa rin [1:20:18] hubo [1:20:18] doon [1:20:19] tanong [1:20:19] ko [1:20:19] kay [1:20:20] Director [1:20:21] Matibag [1:20:21] doon [1:20:21] sinasabi [1:20:22] niyong [1:20:22] halimbawa [1:20:23] doon [1:20:24] sa mga [1:20:24] limang [1:20:24] individual [1:20:25] na [1:20:25] pumirma [1:20:26] may [1:20:27] matutukoy [1:20:27] kasi [1:20:28] ang [1:20:28] gusto [1:20:29] natin [1:20:29] batuntun [1:20:30] dito [1:20:30] matayo [1:20:30] na yun [1:20:31] sa larin [1:20:31] kahit paano [1:20:32] kung meron silang [1:20:33] personal knowledge [1:20:34] kung talagang [1:20:36] yung kanilang [1:20:36] isinalaysay [1:20:37] kahit pa [1:20:38] 10% [1:20:39] 20% [1:20:40] ay [1:20:41] sa tingin nyo ba [1:20:42] pwede magamit [1:20:43] para matukoy [1:20:44] yung mga tunay [1:20:45] na salary nito [1:20:45] dahil baka pwede [1:20:46] sabi ko nga [1:20:47] yung [1:20:47] 18 yun [1:20:49] maganda [1:20:50] kung sabihin [1:20:51] nila rito [1:20:51] para [1:20:52] maitayhi [1:20:53] natin [1:20:53] para malaman [1:20:55] natin [1:20:55] at patuntun [1:20:55] yung mga talagang [1:20:56] may kagagawa [1:20:58] nito [1:20:58] sige [1:20:58] Director [1:20:59] Matibag [1:20:59] Salamat po [1:21:01] Mr. Chair [1:21:02] tama po yun [1:21:03] pero [1:21:04] doon po [1:21:04] sa 10 [1:21:05] ang 20% [1:21:06] na sinasabing [1:21:07] totoo [1:21:07] yung participation [1:21:08] nila [1:21:08] sa driver [1:21:09] hindi po [1:21:10] ma-establish [1:21:11] pa rin [1:21:12] talaga [1:21:12] kung nakita [1:21:13] nilang [1:21:13] actual [1:21:14] may pera [1:21:14] ba talaga [1:21:15] may dala [1:21:15] I will cite [1:21:16] an example [1:21:16] yung isa po [1:21:17] sa pubirma [1:21:18] si [1:21:18] Hil [1:21:19] Nabidad [1:21:20] yung isa [1:21:21] sa mga [1:21:21] 18 [1:21:22] tinanong siya [1:21:23] kasi [1:21:23] may allegation [1:21:24] siya [1:21:25] nakasama [1:21:25] siya [1:21:25] nag-deliver [1:21:26] tinanong siya [1:21:27] doon po [1:21:28] sa one-on-one [1:21:28] interview [1:21:29] sa pag [1:21:30] di-deliver [1:21:30] po [1:21:30] ng mga [1:21:31] mali [1:21:31] tanong [1:21:33] na maneho [1:21:34] mo po [1:21:34] lahat [1:21:35] ng ito [1:21:35] o may maneho [1:21:36] pang iba [1:21:37] kasi [1:21:37] nagbigay [1:21:38] po siya [1:21:38] ng plate [1:21:39] number [1:21:39] so [1:21:39] sinabi niya [1:21:40] yun [1:21:40] doon yung [1:21:41] totoo [1:21:41] yung mga [1:21:41] plate [1:21:42] number [1:21:42] totoo [1:21:43] yun [1:21:43] tapos [1:21:44] tinanong [1:21:44] niya [1:21:45] sa pag [1:21:45] di-deliver [1:21:45] po [1:21:46] ng maleta [1:21:46] na [1:21:46] may lamang [1:21:47] pera [1:21:48] anong [1:21:49] maleta [1:21:49] po [1:21:49] ang personal [1:21:50] na [1:21:50] i-deliver [1:21:51] ninyo [1:21:51] very [1:21:52] specific [1:21:52] po [1:21:52] yung [1:21:52] tanong [1:21:53] personal [1:21:53] na [1:21:54] i-deliver [1:21:54] ninyo [1:21:55] ang [1:21:55] sagot [1:21:55] po [1:21:56] niya [1:21:56] wala [1:21:56] po [1:21:57] tagahatid [1:21:59] lamang [1:21:59] po [1:21:59] ako [1:22:00] at [1:22:00] sila [1:22:00] Mark [1:22:00] Tiksay [1:22:01] at [1:22:01] Paul [1:22:01] Estrada [1:22:02] po [1:22:02] ang [1:22:02] personal [1:22:03] na [1:22:03] nag-ahatid [1:22:03] kung para [1:22:04] kanina [1:22:04] ang [1:22:04] mga [1:22:05] ito [1:22:05] doon [1:22:06] pa [1:22:06] lang [1:22:06] po [1:22:07] meron [1:22:07] ng [1:22:07] problema [1:22:07] kasi [1:22:08] may [1:22:08] admission [1:22:09] siya [1:22:09] inalize [1:22:10] niya [1:22:10] sa [1:22:10] pinakang [1:22:11] joint [1:22:12] upinabit [1:22:13] na [1:22:13] nagdi-deliver [1:22:14] siya [1:22:14] ng [1:22:14] maleta [1:22:14] nung [1:22:15] tinanong [1:22:15] na [1:22:15] siya [1:22:15] ng [1:22:15] personal [1:22:16] ang [1:22:16] sagot [1:22:17] na [1:22:17] niya [1:22:17] wala [1:22:17] pala [1:22:18] nag-drive [1:22:19] lang [1:22:19] siya [1:22:20] So [1:22:20] paulit-ulit [1:22:21] po [1:22:21] ganun [1:22:22] yung [1:22:22] nangyari [1:22:22] Alright [1:22:24] Thank [1:22:25] you [1:22:25] Quickly [1:22:26] lang [1:22:26] sa [1:22:26] balik [1:22:27] po [1:22:27] tayo [1:22:27] sa [1:22:27] Ombudsman [1:22:28] Para [1:22:30] po [1:22:30] sa [1:22:30] mga [1:22:31] susunod [1:22:33] po [1:22:33] na [1:22:33] pagdinig [1:22:34] Ano [1:22:34] po [1:22:35] mga [1:22:35] data [1:22:36] o [1:22:36] informasyon [1:22:37] na [1:22:37] kailangan [1:22:38] po [1:22:38] ibigay [1:22:38] sa [1:22:39] inyo [1:22:39] ng [1:22:39] Blue [1:22:39] Ribbon [1:22:40] para [1:22:41] ikang [1:22:41] titibay [1:22:43] po [1:22:43] ang [1:22:44] inyong [1:22:44] investigasyon [1:22:45] Do [1:22:46] you [1:22:46] need [1:22:47] any [1:22:47] more [1:22:47] documents [1:22:49] pieces [1:22:50] of [1:22:50] evidence [1:22:51] from [1:22:51] the [1:22:51] Blue [1:22:51] Ribbon [1:22:52] o [1:22:52] sapat [1:22:53] na [1:22:53] po [1:22:53] yung [1:22:54] naibigay [1:22:54] po [1:22:54] ng [1:22:55] chairman's [1:22:55] report [1:22:56] sa inyo [1:22:56] sa [1:22:57] Ombudsman [1:22:58] lahat [1:22:59] po [1:22:59] ba [1:23:00] ng [1:23:00] cases [1:23:00] na [1:23:00] kailangan [1:23:01] po [1:23:01] ninyo [1:23:01] kasi [1:23:02] I [1:23:02] believe [1:23:03] naibigay [1:23:03] na [1:23:03] po [1:23:03] ng [1:23:04] dating [1:23:04] chairman [1:23:05] chairman [1:23:05] Lakson [1:23:06] sa [1:23:07] Ombudsman [1:23:08] po [1:23:08] yung [1:23:08] kanyang [1:23:08] report [1:23:09] Thank [1:23:12] you [1:23:12] your [1:23:12] honor [1:23:13] but [1:23:13] the [1:23:14] office [1:23:14] of [1:23:14] the [1:23:14] Ombudsman [1:23:15] will [1:23:15] always [1:23:15] welcome [1:23:16] po [1:23:16] yung [1:23:16] additional [1:23:17] pieces [1:23:17] of [1:23:17] evidence [1:23:18] and [1:23:18] additional [1:23:19] testimonies [1:23:20] if [1:23:21] ever [1:23:21] also [1:23:24] yung [1:23:24] mga [1:23:24] COA [1:23:25] reports [1:23:25] po [1:23:25] kung [1:23:25] meron [1:23:26] din [1:23:26] na [1:23:26] makukuha [1:23:27] from [1:23:27] the [1:23:29] Senate [1:23:29] Blue [1:23:29] Ribbon [1:23:29] Committee [1:23:30] that [1:23:30] would [1:23:30] help [1:23:30] a lot [1:23:31] on [1:23:32] our [1:23:32] ongoing [1:23:32] investigations [1:23:33] Pero [1:23:34] kung [1:23:35] the [1:23:35] same [1:23:36] issue [1:23:36] pa [1:23:36] rin [1:23:36] po [1:23:37] actually [1:23:37] what [1:23:38] I [1:23:38] mean [1:23:39] to [1:23:39] say [1:23:39] pag [1:23:39] may [1:23:39] lumutang [1:23:40] dito [1:23:41] may [1:23:41] akusasyon [1:23:42] na [1:23:42] naman [1:23:42] sa [1:23:43] isa [1:23:43] doon [1:23:43] sa [1:23:43] mga [1:23:43] senador [1:23:44] na [1:23:44] napangalanan [1:23:45] na po [1:23:46] na [1:23:46] sabit [1:23:46] na po [1:23:46] sa [1:23:47] report [1:23:47] may [1:23:48] dadagdag [1:23:48] lang [1:23:48] po [1:23:49] na [1:23:49] ebidensya [1:23:50] or [1:23:50] pareho [1:23:52] pa [1:23:52] rin [1:23:52] po [1:23:52] pero [1:23:52] ibang [1:23:53] tao [1:23:53] you [1:23:54] get [1:23:55] you [1:23:55] what [1:23:55] I [1:23:55] mean [1:23:55] isang [1:23:56] tao [1:23:57] po [1:23:57] inakusahan [1:23:58] pero [1:23:58] nakasama [1:23:59] na po [1:23:59] siya [1:23:59] sa [1:23:59] chairman's [1:24:00] report [1:24:00] pero [1:24:01] ibang tao [1:24:02] naman [1:24:02] ito [1:24:02] nag-aakusa [1:24:02] pero [1:24:03] the [1:24:03] same [1:24:03] case [1:24:03] naman [1:24:04] po [1:24:04] i-entertain [1:24:06] pa rin [1:24:06] po [1:24:06] ninyo [1:24:06] di po [1:24:07] ba [1:24:07] yung [1:24:07] ebidensya [1:24:08] or [1:24:08] kailangan [1:24:09] nyo [1:24:09] ng [1:24:09] bagong [1:24:10] ebidensya [1:24:10] na [1:24:10] naman [1:24:11] because [1:24:11] different [1:24:12] person [1:24:12] itong [1:24:13] nag-aallege [1:24:13] po [1:24:14] na [1:24:14] nag-aakusa [1:24:15] Kung [1:24:17] bagong [1:24:17] complainant [1:24:19] po [1:24:19] yun [1:24:20] your [1:24:20] honor [1:24:20] hindi [1:24:22] naman [1:24:22] magbabago [1:24:23] yung [1:24:23] investigation [1:24:23] namin [1:24:24] what [1:24:24] the [1:24:24] office [1:24:25] usually [1:24:25] do [1:24:26] is [1:24:26] parang [1:24:26] kinakonsolidate [1:24:28] namin yun [1:24:28] dun sa [1:24:29] naunang [1:24:29] complaint [1:24:30] against [1:24:31] the same [1:24:32] say [1:24:33] lawmaker [1:24:33] or senator [1:24:34] or congressman [1:24:35] so [1:24:35] ikakonsolidate [1:24:36] lang namin [1:24:36] yung [1:24:37] another [1:24:37] complaint [1:24:38] coming from [1:24:39] a different [1:24:39] complainant [1:24:40] pero yung [1:24:42] mga [1:24:42] pieces of [1:24:43] evidence [1:24:43] yun din po [1:24:44] yung [1:24:44] magagamit [1:24:45] po [1:24:45] Pero [1:24:46] pwede [1:24:46] po ba [1:24:47] na [1:24:47] sabihin [1:24:48] na lang [1:24:48] na [1:24:48] idiretsyo [1:24:49] na lang [1:24:49] sa [1:24:49] ombudsman [1:24:50] kasi [1:24:50] po [1:24:51] kung [1:24:51] dito [1:24:52] paulit [1:24:52] ulit [1:24:53] na lang [1:24:53] tayo [1:24:54] hindi [1:24:54] na po [1:24:54] matatapos [1:24:55] ang [1:24:55] trabaho [1:24:55] po [1:24:56] ng [1:24:56] blue [1:24:56] ribbon [1:24:57] at [1:24:57] nakasentro [1:24:58] lang [1:24:58] ang [1:24:58] investigasyon [1:25:00] sa [1:25:00] flood [1:25:01] control [1:25:01] baka [1:25:02] naman [1:25:02] napopwede [1:25:03] kung [1:25:03] same [1:25:03] individual [1:25:04] yun [1:25:04] isumiti [1:25:05] na lang [1:25:05] po [1:25:06] diretsyo [1:25:06] sa [1:25:07] ombudsman [1:25:08] para [1:25:08] naman [1:25:08] po [1:25:09] hindi [1:25:09] po [1:25:09] ikang [1:25:10] redundant [1:25:11] na [1:25:11] may [1:25:12] investigasyon [1:25:12] kaya [1:25:13] ongawing [1:25:13] sa isang [1:25:14] tao [1:25:14] na ito [1:25:14] kunwari [1:25:15] si [1:25:15] person [1:25:16] A [1:25:16] may [1:25:17] darating [1:25:18] na [1:25:18] naman [1:25:18] na [1:25:18] inakus [1:25:19] si [1:25:19] person [1:25:19] A [1:25:19] the [1:25:20] same [1:25:20] anomaly [1:25:21] yung [1:25:22] nga [1:25:22] lang [1:25:22] bagong [1:25:23] tao [1:25:23] na [1:25:23] magsabihin [1:25:24] na [1:25:24] nagpaparatang [1:25:25] po [1:25:26] pwede [1:25:26] po ba [1:25:27] yung [1:25:27] kanyang [1:25:27] statements [1:25:28] diretsyo [1:25:29] na [1:25:29] lamang [1:25:29] po [1:25:29] sa [1:25:30] ombudsman [1:25:30] rather [1:25:30] than [1:25:31] iimbestigahan [1:25:32] na [1:25:32] naman [1:25:32] po [1:25:32] dito [1:25:32] kasi [1:25:33] hindi [1:25:33] na [1:25:33] po [1:25:33] tayo [1:25:33] matatapos [1:25:34] marami [1:25:34] po [1:25:35] problem [1:25:35] ang [1:25:35] ating [1:25:36] bayan [1:25:36] ang [1:25:36] kailangan [1:25:36] silipin [1:25:37] ibang [1:25:37] redundant [1:25:38] na [1:25:38] po [1:25:38] anong [1:25:40] masasabi [1:25:40] nyo [1:25:41] dyan [1:25:41] Your [1:25:42] Honor [1:25:42] the [1:25:43] office [1:25:43] of [1:25:43] the [1:25:44] ombudsman [1:25:44] hindi [1:25:45] naman [1:25:45] yan [1:25:46] never [1:25:46] naman [1:25:47] yan [1:25:47] nagrefuse [1:25:47] to [1:25:47] accept [1:25:48] documents [1:25:48] submitted [1:25:49] to [1:25:49] it [1:25:49] so [1:25:50] kung [1:25:50] isasabit [1:25:51] po [1:25:51] siya [1:25:51] sa amin [1:25:52] diretsyo [1:25:52] we will [1:25:53] always [1:25:54] welcome [1:25:54] it [1:25:54] kung [1:25:55] isasabit [1:25:55] naman [1:25:56] po [1:25:56] siya [1:25:56] sa [1:25:56] senate [1:25:56] blue [1:25:57] ribbon [1:25:57] committee [1:25:57] you can [1:25:58] always [1:25:58] endorse [1:25:59] it [1:25:59] to [1:25:59] us [1:25:59] all [1:26:00] right [1:26:00] thank [1:26:00] you [1:26:01] senator [1:26:01] Rafi [1:26:02] yeah [1:26:02] maman [1:26:04] Karen [1:26:05] nabanggit [1:26:07] nga [1:26:07] kanina [1:26:07] ni [1:26:08] attorney [1:26:08] matibag [1:26:09] ng [1:26:09] NBI [1:26:09] karamihan [1:26:10] dun [1:26:11] sa [1:26:11] labing [1:26:11] walo [1:26:11] na [1:26:12] mga [1:26:12] kargador [1:26:14] tawag [1:26:14] nila [1:26:14] bodyguards [1:26:15] napaiba [1:26:16] ibang [1:26:16] statements [1:26:17] hindi [1:26:18] tumatay [1:26:19] tay [1:26:19] ng [1:26:19] maayos [1:26:20] now [1:26:21] having [1:26:22] said [1:26:22] that [1:26:22] siyempre [1:26:23] gusto [1:26:23] natin [1:26:24] yung [1:26:24] salarin [1:26:25] talagang [1:26:26] makasuhan [1:26:26] at [1:26:27] managot [1:26:27] kung [1:26:28] sino [1:26:28] man [1:26:29] yung [1:26:29] mga [1:26:29] talagang [1:26:29] tumanggap [1:26:30] ng [1:26:30] pera [1:26:30] now [1:26:31] how [1:26:31] would [1:26:31] you [1:26:31] appreciate [1:26:32] that [1:26:32] complaints [1:26:34] being [1:26:35] forwarded [1:26:35] to your [1:26:35] office [1:26:36] na [1:26:37] yung [1:26:37] affidavit [1:26:38] ay paiba-iba [1:26:39] tulad [1:26:41] niyan [1:26:41] sa [1:26:41] labing [1:26:42] walong [1:26:42] kargador [1:26:42] eh [1:26:43] gusto [1:26:43] talaga [1:26:44] natin [1:26:44] madiin [1:26:44] yung [1:26:44] dapat [1:26:45] madiin [1:26:45] meron [1:26:46] talagang [1:26:46] tumanggap [1:26:47] kung [1:26:47] meron [1:26:47] pero [1:26:48] tulang [1:26:49] binanggit [1:26:50] ni [1:26:50] attorney [1:26:50] matibag [1:26:51] paiba-iba [1:26:51] yung [1:26:51] statement [1:26:52] nila [1:26:52] tulak [1:26:55] at [1:26:55] at [1:26:56] at [1:26:57] wala [1:26:58] talagang [1:26:58] definite [1:26:59] na [1:26:59] sila [1:27:00] mismo [1:27:00] ang [1:27:01] nag-deliver [1:27:02] sila [1:27:03] mismo [1:27:03] eyewitness [1:27:04] at may [1:27:05] mga [1:27:05] dokumento [1:27:06] mayroong [1:27:06] screenshot [1:27:07] may recorded [1:27:08] conversation [1:27:09] etc. [1:27:09] nothing [1:27:10] like [1:27:10] that [1:27:11] kundi [1:27:11] here [1:27:11] say [1:27:12] lamang [1:27:12] so [1:27:12] paano [1:27:13] atake [1:27:14] niya [1:27:14] ng [1:27:15] ombudsman [1:27:15] para [1:27:16] maging [1:27:17] tight [1:27:18] yung [1:27:18] case [1:27:18] against [1:27:19] anybody [1:27:19] na [1:27:19] talagang [1:27:20] tumanggap [1:27:21] ng [1:27:21] pera [1:27:21] your [1:27:23] your [1:27:23] honor [1:27:23] that's [1:27:24] why [1:27:24] the [1:27:24] office [1:27:24] of [1:27:25] the [1:27:25] ombudsman [1:27:25] required [1:27:26] an [1:27:27] individual [1:27:27] complaint [1:27:28] affidavit [1:27:29] to [1:27:29] verify [1:27:30] po [1:27:30] yung [1:27:30] personal [1:27:31] knowledge [1:27:31] talaga [1:27:32] ng [1:27:32] bawat [1:27:32] isa [1:27:33] dun [1:27:33] sa [1:27:33] mga [1:27:33] nag [1:27:33] submit [1:27:34] ng [1:27:34] affidavit [1:27:37] kasi [1:27:37] the [1:27:38] office [1:27:38] requires [1:27:38] nga [1:27:39] po [1:27:39] personal [1:27:39] knowledge [1:27:40] para [1:27:40] upon [1:27:42] evaluation [1:27:42] ma-check [1:27:43] namin [1:27:43] agad [1:27:44] kung [1:27:44] this [1:27:45] can [1:27:45] stand [1:27:46] yung [1:27:46] preliminary [1:27:47] investigation [1:27:48] or [1:27:48] pwede [1:27:48] namin [1:27:49] siyang [1:27:49] i-refer [1:27:49] for [1:27:50] further [1:27:50] fact [1:27:50] finding [1:27:51] unfortunately [1:27:52] kasi [1:27:52] pag [1:27:52] i-refer [1:27:53] mo [1:27:53] siya [1:27:53] sa [1:27:53] fact [1:27:54] finding [1:27:54] dapat [1:27:55] po [1:27:55] talaga [1:27:55] may [1:27:56] verifiable [1:27:56] leads [1:27:57] at [1:27:57] hindi [1:27:57] kami [1:27:57] magkakandak [1:27:58] lang [1:27:58] ng [1:27:58] fishing [1:27:59] expedition [1:27:59] okay [1:28:00] yung [1:28:01] sinasabi [1:28:02] nitong [1:28:03] labing [1:28:03] walo [1:28:03] na [1:28:04] sila [1:28:05] talaga [1:28:05] nag [1:28:05] deliver [1:28:06] ng [1:28:06] pera [1:28:06] at [1:28:06] walang [1:28:06] ebedensya [1:28:07] kung [1:28:07] talagang [1:28:07] pera [1:28:08] ba [1:28:08] yung [1:28:08] maleta [1:28:09] at [1:28:09] hindi [1:28:10] naman [1:28:10] sila [1:28:10] mismo [1:28:10] ang [1:28:10] nagbilang [1:28:11] pera [1:28:12] at [1:28:12] walang [1:28:13] matibay [1:28:13] na [1:28:13] ebedensya [1:28:14] na [1:28:14] meron [1:28:15] silang [1:28:15] pinig-deliver [1:28:16] ng [1:28:16] tao [1:28:16] kung [1:28:16] sino [1:28:17] man [1:28:17] yung [1:28:17] tao [1:28:17] although [1:28:17] we [1:28:17] really [1:28:18] need [1:28:18] to [1:28:18] know [1:28:18] kung [1:28:18] sino [1:28:18] talaga [1:28:19] dapat [1:28:19] managot [1:28:20] I've been [1:28:20] saying [1:28:21] that's [1:28:21] all [1:28:21] along [1:28:21] so [1:28:22] paano [1:28:23] magiging [1:28:24] appreciation [1:28:25] nyo [1:28:25] sa [1:28:25] affidavit [1:28:27] ng [1:28:27] taong [1:28:28] sa [1:28:29] labing [1:28:29] walo [1:28:29] your [1:28:31] honor [1:28:32] kung [1:28:32] matanggap [1:28:33] na [1:28:33] namin [1:28:33] halimbawa [1:28:34] yung [1:28:34] kanilang [1:28:34] individual [1:28:35] affidavit [1:28:36] yung [1:28:37] magsubmit [1:28:37] na [1:28:37] sila [1:28:38] siguro [1:28:39] po [1:28:39] ang [1:28:39] magiging [1:28:40] ano [1:28:40] namin [1:28:40] is [1:28:40] like [1:28:41] I've [1:28:41] said [1:28:41] kung [1:28:41] it [1:28:42] can [1:28:42] withstand [1:28:43] po [1:28:43] yung [1:28:43] preliminary [1:28:44] investigation [1:28:45] kasi [1:28:45] nga [1:28:45] po [1:28:46] meron [1:28:48] na [1:28:48] kaming [1:28:48] bagong [1:28:50] when it [1:28:51] comes [1:28:51] to [1:28:52] conduct [1:28:53] a [1:28:53] preliminary [1:28:53] investigation [1:28:54] prima [1:28:54] patche [1:28:55] with [1:28:56] reasonable [1:28:56] certainty [1:28:57] of [1:28:57] conviction [1:28:57] din [1:28:58] po [1:28:58] so [1:29:00] kapag [1:29:00] ang [1:29:00] isang [1:29:01] tao [1:29:03] nag-issue [1:29:03] ng [1:29:03] affidavit [1:29:04] na [1:29:04] nagpaiba-iba [1:29:05] na [1:29:05] ng [1:29:05] statement [1:29:07] at [1:29:09] lumilitaw [1:29:09] na [1:29:10] wala [1:29:10] pala [1:29:10] siyang [1:29:10] first-hand [1:29:11] information [1:29:11] kundi [1:29:12] nakuha [1:29:12] lang [1:29:12] niya [1:29:12] o [1:29:13] naipasa [1:29:13] lang [1:29:13] niya [1:29:14] sa [1:29:14] kanya [1:29:15] yung [1:29:15] informasyon [1:29:15] na [1:29:15] yun [1:29:15] so [1:29:16] doon pa [1:29:17] lamang [1:29:17] magkakaroon [1:29:18] na [1:29:18] problema [1:29:19] sa [1:29:19] credibility [1:29:20] yung [1:29:21] nag-issue [1:29:21] ng [1:29:21] affidavit [1:29:22] na yun [1:29:22] sa [1:29:23] ang [1:29:23] Bullsman [1:29:23] Your [1:29:24] Honor [1:29:25] kasi [1:29:25] nga po [1:29:25] lahat [1:29:26] ng [1:29:26] mga [1:29:26] complaints [1:29:27] in [1:29:28] nag-undergo [1:29:29] yan [1:29:29] ng [1:29:29] evaluation [1:29:30] so [1:29:30] yung [1:29:30] mga [1:29:30] nag-evaluate [1:29:31] po [1:29:31] sa amin [1:29:32] are [1:29:32] lawyer [1:29:32] evaluators [1:29:33] and [1:29:33] then [1:29:34] yung [1:29:34] evaluation [1:29:34] recommendation [1:29:35] nila [1:29:35] is [1:29:36] subject [1:29:37] to [1:29:37] review [1:29:37] and [1:29:37] approval [1:29:38] of [1:29:38] our [1:29:38] officials [1:29:39] so [1:29:39] based [1:29:40] on [1:29:40] I do [1:29:42] not [1:29:42] have [1:29:42] any [1:29:42] personal [1:29:43] knowledge [1:29:43] when it [1:29:44] comes [1:29:44] to [1:29:44] the [1:29:44] affidavit [1:29:47] marines [1:29:47] but [1:29:47] I [1:29:48] signed [1:29:48] the [1:29:48] notice [1:29:49] address [1:29:49] to [1:29:50] attorney [1:29:51] baligod [1:29:52] that's [1:29:52] why [1:29:52] yun [1:29:52] lang [1:29:52] po [1:29:53] yung [1:29:53] binasa [1:29:53] ko [1:29:54] syempre [1:29:54] yung [1:29:54] notice [1:29:55] so [1:29:55] ang [1:29:55] nakalagay [1:29:56] po [1:29:56] dun [1:29:56] sa [1:29:56] notice [1:29:57] nga [1:29:57] dahil [1:29:58] nga [1:29:58] po [1:29:58] hindi [1:29:58] siya [1:29:59] it [1:30:00] cannot [1:30:00] be [1:30:00] considered [1:30:01] na [1:30:01] personal [1:30:01] knowledge [1:30:02] na [1:30:03] meron [1:30:03] sila [1:30:03] bawat [1:30:03] isa [1:30:04] dun [1:30:04] sa [1:30:04] 18 [1:30:04] personnel [1:30:07] or [1:30:07] people [1:30:08] na [1:30:08] yun [1:30:08] so [1:30:08] last [1:30:09] na [1:30:09] lamang [1:30:10] on [1:30:10] any [1:30:11] other [1:30:11] case [1:30:11] kahit [1:30:13] na [1:30:13] hindi [1:30:13] dito [1:30:13] sa [1:30:14] 18 [1:30:14] merong [1:30:16] nag [1:30:17] submit [1:30:17] ng [1:30:18] complaint [1:30:18] sa inyo [1:30:19] with affidavit [1:30:20] paano [1:30:22] po [1:30:23] approach [1:30:23] yun [1:30:23] once [1:30:25] na [1:30:25] receive [1:30:25] niyo [1:30:25] po [1:30:26] yung [1:30:26] isang [1:30:26] affidavit [1:30:27] against [1:30:27] anybody [1:30:28] your [1:30:30] honor [1:30:30] the [1:30:31] usual [1:30:31] process [1:30:32] ano [1:30:33] yung [1:30:33] mga [1:30:33] hinahanap [1:30:34] nyo [1:30:34] doon [1:30:35] sa [1:30:35] nag [1:30:36] submit [1:30:36] ng [1:30:36] affidavit [1:30:37] pag [1:30:38] nag [1:30:38] submit [1:30:38] po [1:30:38] yun [1:30:38] ng [1:30:39] affidavit [1:30:39] or [1:30:39] complaint [1:30:40] affidavit [1:30:41] sa [1:30:41] min [1:30:41] your [1:30:41] honor [1:30:41] dumadaan [1:30:43] po [1:30:43] muna [1:30:43] yan [1:30:43] sa [1:30:43] verification [1:30:44] to [1:30:44] see [1:30:44] kung [1:30:45] meron [1:30:45] siyang [1:30:45] similar [1:30:46] or [1:30:47] earlier [1:30:47] complaint [1:30:48] na [1:30:48] so [1:30:48] as [1:30:49] na [1:30:49] hindi [1:30:49] siya [1:30:50] mag [1:30:50] doble [1:30:50] doble [1:30:50] so [1:30:51] pag [1:30:51] na [1:30:52] verify [1:30:52] say [1:30:52] wala [1:30:53] siyang [1:30:53] existing [1:30:54] complaint [1:30:54] or [1:30:54] previous [1:30:55] complaint [1:30:55] similar [1:30:56] complaint [1:30:56] sa [1:30:57] office [1:30:57] of [1:30:57] the [1:30:57] ombudsman [1:30:58] it [1:30:58] will [1:30:58] undergo [1:30:59] evaluation [1:30:59] okay [1:31:00] doon [1:31:01] sa [1:31:01] evaluation [1:31:01] maghanap [1:31:02] ba [1:31:03] kayo [1:31:03] ng [1:31:03] pieces [1:31:05] of [1:31:06] evidence [1:31:06] hard [1:31:06] evidence [1:31:07] to [1:31:08] corroborate [1:31:09] doon [1:31:10] sa [1:31:10] sinasabi [1:31:11] niya [1:31:11] sa [1:31:11] kanyang [1:31:11] complaint [1:31:12] affidavit [1:31:13] pwede pong ganon [1:31:14] your honor [1:31:15] kasi [1:31:15] one of the [1:31:16] recommendations [1:31:17] na pwedeng [1:31:17] gawin ng [1:31:18] lawyer [1:31:18] evaluator [1:31:19] is to [1:31:19] dismiss [1:31:19] it [1:31:20] outright [1:31:20] kung makita [1:31:21] niyo [1:31:21] na [1:31:21] frivolous [1:31:22] lang [1:31:22] yung [1:31:22] mga [1:31:23] complaint [1:31:23] so [1:31:24] in [1:31:24] other [1:31:25] words [1:31:25] maghahanap [1:31:26] kayo [1:31:27] ng [1:31:27] ebidensya [1:31:28] like I said [1:31:30] earlier [1:31:30] na magcorroborate [1:31:31] doon sa [1:31:32] sinasabi [1:31:32] sa affidavit [1:31:33] kasi [1:31:33] kung hindi [1:31:33] frivolous [1:31:34] nga [1:31:34] yun [1:31:34] sabi [1:31:34] mo [1:31:34] initial [1:31:37] evaluation [1:31:38] pa lang [1:31:38] po [1:31:38] yun [1:31:38] your [1:31:39] honor [1:31:39] pero [1:31:39] still [1:31:40] in [1:31:40] evaluate [1:31:40] po [1:31:41] namin [1:31:41] siya [1:31:41] kung [1:31:42] yung [1:31:42] sinasabi [1:31:42] niya [1:31:43] sa [1:31:43] affidavit [1:31:43] is [1:31:44] supported [1:31:44] by [1:31:44] evidence [1:31:45] okay [1:31:46] last [1:31:46] so [1:31:47] base [1:31:47] po [1:31:48] na [1:31:48] sa [1:31:48] mga [1:31:48] narinig [1:31:49] natin [1:31:49] ngayon [1:31:49] lahat [1:31:50] doon [1:31:50] sa [1:31:50] sinabi [1:31:50] ni [1:31:51] director [1:31:51] ng [1:31:53] NBI [1:31:53] na [1:31:53] si [1:31:54] attorney [1:31:54] Melvin [1:31:55] Matibag [1:31:55] paano [1:31:57] po [1:31:57] ma-describe [1:31:58] yung [1:31:59] testimony [1:32:01] o [1:32:02] itong [1:32:02] pinagsasabi [1:32:03] nitong [1:32:03] labing [1:32:03] walong [1:32:04] kargador [1:32:05] your [1:32:07] honor [1:32:07] hindi [1:32:08] ko [1:32:08] po [1:32:08] pwedeng [1:32:08] sagutin [1:32:09] yan [1:32:09] because [1:32:09] I [1:32:10] did [1:32:10] not [1:32:10] evaluate [1:32:11] that [1:32:11] affidavit [1:32:12] I [1:32:13] understand [1:32:13] Maraming [1:32:13] salamat [1:32:14] Mr. [1:32:14] Chair [1:32:14] Go ahead [1:32:18] Senator [1:32:18] Just a [1:32:20] quick [1:32:20] question [1:32:21] kay [1:32:21] director [1:32:21] Matibag [1:32:22] In-interview [1:32:23] ba ninyo [1:32:24] at kinuha [1:32:25] yung [1:32:25] affidavit [1:32:25] ni [1:32:26] attorney [1:32:26] Baligod [1:32:27] yung [1:32:28] 18 [1:32:29] marines [1:32:29] po [1:32:29] kahit [1:32:30] in [1:32:30] kargador [1:32:32] in-interview [1:32:33] po [1:32:33] namin [1:32:34] isa [1:32:34] isa [1:32:34] si [1:32:34] attorney [1:32:35] Baligod [1:32:35] hindi [1:32:36] po [1:32:36] kasi [1:32:36] hindi [1:32:36] naman [1:32:37] po [1:32:37] siya [1:32:37] subject [1:32:38] na [1:32:38] actually [1:32:39] gusto [1:32:39] namin [1:32:39] siya [1:32:40] interview [1:32:40] siya [1:32:41] si [1:32:41] Mike [1:32:41] Defensor [1:32:42] ayaw nila [1:32:43] eh [1:32:43] wala po [1:32:44] kasi [1:32:45] kaming [1:32:45] content [1:32:45] power [1:32:46] or to [1:32:46] force [1:32:46] them [1:32:47] kung [1:32:47] namonitor [1:32:48] nyo [1:32:48] yung [1:32:48] hearing [1:32:48] dito [1:32:49] o yung [1:32:49] bogus [1:32:50] na [1:32:50] hearing [1:32:50] siya [1:32:51] ang [1:32:51] nagpapaliwanag [1:32:52] siya yung [1:32:54] nagsasalita [1:32:55] on behalf [1:32:55] of the 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[1:33:28] nagtataka [1:33:28] nga ako [1:33:29] medyo [1:33:30] marami-rami [1:33:30] na rin [1:33:31] po nga [1:33:31] akong [1:33:31] na-attend [1:33:32] na committee [1:33:33] hearing [1:33:33] na kung [1:33:34] saan [1:33:34] ang abogado [1:33:35] sa likod [1:33:35] pinapopo [1:33:36] at [1:33:36] bihirang-bihirang [1:33:37] pagsalita [1:33:38] yun po [1:33:38] yung pinagtataka [1:33:39] ko [1:33:39] bakit [1:33:40] si [1:33:40] Atty. [1:33:41] Balikod [1:33:41] nagsasalita [1:33:43] baka [1:33:43] mas mabuti [1:33:44] po [1:33:44] para sa akin [1:33:45] gumawa na rin [1:33:46] po siya [1:33:47] ng sarili [1:33:47] niyang [1:33:47] Affidavit [1:33:48] at siya [1:33:48] na po [1:33:49] magreklamo [1:33:50] kasi [1:33:50] sa kanyang [1:33:51] mga narinig [1:33:51] yun lang [1:33:52] ang tanong [1:33:52] ko [1:33:52] actually [1:33:52] kasi [1:33:53] nakita [1:33:54] ko [1:33:54] siya [1:33:54] mismo [1:33:55] and [1:33:55] you're [1:33:56] right [1:33:56] and [1:33:56] for [1:33:57] the [1:33:57] record [1:33:57] it's [1:33:58] a [1:33:58] violation [1:33:58] of [1:33:58] our [1:33:59] rules [1:33:59] in [1:34:00] Senate [1:34:02] proceedings [1:34:02] when a [1:34:03] lawyer [1:34:03] speaks [1:34:04] and [1:34:04] deliberates [1:34:07] on [1:34:07] and [1:34:09] represents [1:34:09] not [1:34:10] representing [1:34:11] the [1:34:12] resource [1:34:12] persons [1:34:13] so [1:34:13] maliwanag [1:34:14] na [1:34:14] hindi [1:34:15] dapat [1:34:15] nagsasalita [1:34:16] yung [1:34:16] abogado [1:34:17] dapat [1:34:18] yung [1:34:18] resource [1:34:19] persons [1:34:19] mismo [1:34:20] ang [1:34:20] nagsasalita [1:34:20] and [1:34:21] for [1:34:21] the [1:34:21] record [1:34:21] we [1:34:22] just [1:34:22] wanted [1:34:22] that [1:34:22] clarified [1:34:23] thank [1:34:25] thank [1:34:25] you [1:34:25] senator [1:34:25] kiko [1:34:26] is [1:34:27] it's [1:34:27] just [1:34:27] one [1:34:28] quick [1:34:28] kasi [1:34:28] we'll [1:34:29] just [1:34:29] have [1:34:29] to [1:34:29] give [1:34:31] the [1:34:31] floor [1:34:31] to [1:34:31] individuals [1:34:32] who [1:34:33] want [1:34:33] to [1:34:33] ask [1:34:33] questions [1:34:34] go ahead [1:34:34] yes [1:34:34] mr. [1:34:34] chair [1:34:34] isang [1:34:35] follow-up [1:34:35] question [1:34:36] po [1:34:36] follow-up [1:34:38] question [1:34:39] kaysa [1:34:41] senrafi [1:34:42] kanina [1:34:43] sa [1:34:43] ombudsman [1:34:44] sa [1:34:44] nbi [1:34:45] naman [1:34:45] po [1:34:45] meron [1:34:46] po [1:34:46] bang [1:34:46] mapopoint [1:34:47] out [1:34:47] ang [1:34:48] bureau [1:34:48] na [1:34:48] inconsistencies [1:34:49] sa pagitan [1:34:50] ng [1:34:51] joint [1:34:51] affidavit [1:34:52] at [1:34:53] yung [1:34:53] limang [1:34:53] individual [1:34:54] affidavits [1:34:54] na [1:34:55] pinirmahan [1:34:55] o [1:34:56] sa [1:34:56] pagitan [1:34:57] ng [1:34:57] limang [1:34:57] individual [1:34:58] affidavits [1:34:59] any [1:34:59] inconsistencies [1:35:00] po [1:35:01] yun [1:35:01] na nga [1:35:02] po [1:35:02] nagbigay [1:35:02] na ko [1:35:03] ng [1:35:03] example [1:35:03] mismo [1:35:04] nung [1:35:04] tinanong [1:35:04] si [1:35:05] nabidad [1:35:05] at [1:35:07] isasabit [1:35:07] po [1:35:07] namin [1:35:08] to [1:35:08] itong [1:35:08] mga [1:35:09] aming [1:35:09] interview [1:35:09] tinanong [1:35:10] siya [1:35:10] kung [1:35:10] nagdeliver [1:35:11] siya [1:35:12] ng [1:35:12] maleta [1:35:12] may [1:35:12] deliver [1:35:13] ba [1:35:13] siyang [1:35:13] maleta [1:35:14] ang [1:35:14] samot [1:35:14] niya [1:35:14] wala [1:35:15] pero [1:35:15] doon [1:35:15] sa [1:35:16] kanilang [1:35:16] mga [1:35:16] joint [1:35:16] affidavit [1:35:17] may [1:35:17] sinasabi [1:35:18] Mr. [1:35:19] Chair [1:35:19] actually [1:35:19] not only [1:35:21] the [1:35:21] affidavit [1:35:21] na [1:35:22] sinabit [1:35:22] sa [1:35:22] umbutzman [1:35:23] yung [1:35:23] pinagbasihan [1:35:24] namin [1:35:24] nakita [1:35:25] rin [1:35:25] po [1:35:25] namin [1:35:25] yung [1:35:26] mga [1:35:26] lumabas [1:35:26] sa [1:35:26] social [1:35:27] media [1:35:27] na [1:35:27] unang [1:35:27] affidavit [1:35:28] at [1:35:29] saka [1:35:29] po [1:35:30] yung [1:35:30] testimony [1:35:30] po [1:35:31] nung [1:35:31] nakaraan [1:35:31] dito [1:35:32] at [1:35:32] nakita [1:35:33] na [1:35:33] po [1:35:33] namin [1:35:34] yung [1:35:34] mga [1:35:34] inconsistencies [1:35:35] in [1:35:35] fact [1:35:35] gumawa [1:35:36] po [1:35:36] kami [1:35:36] ng [1:35:36] parang [1:35:37] diagram [1:35:38] dyan [1:35:38] nakalagay [1:35:39] na po [1:35:39] dyan [1:35:39] ito yung [1:35:40] affidavit [1:35:40] dito [1:35:40] ito yung [1:35:41] lumabas [1:35:41] at [1:35:42] ano yung [1:35:42] inconsistencies [1:35:43] that will [1:35:44] be part [1:35:44] of our [1:35:44] submission [1:35:45] to the [1:35:45] committee [1:35:46] Mr. [1:35:46] Chair [1:35:46] Alright [1:35:47] thank you [1:35:47] Director [1:35:49] of the [1:35:51] NBI [1:35:51] maraming [1:35:51] salamat [1:35:52] committee [1:35:52] secretary [1:35:53] are you [1:35:55] here [1:35:55] can you [1:35:56] put this [1:35:57] on record [1:35:57] or send [1:35:58] and then [1:35:58] send [1:35:59] someone [1:35:59] from [1:36:00] the [1:36:00] Blue Ribbon [1:36:01] Committee [1:36:02] to go [1:36:04] upstairs [1:36:06] to inquire [1:36:09] the good [1:36:10] senator [1:36:11] kung [1:36:12] sasamahan [1:36:13] niya [1:36:13] ba [1:36:13] yung [1:36:14] 18 [1:36:15] bodyguards [1:36:16] dito [1:36:16] sa [1:36:16] Blue Ribbon [1:36:17] hearing [1:36:18] just to put [1:36:19] on record [1:36:20] para [1:36:20] mas maayos [1:36:22] po [1:36:22] dahil [1:36:22] while we're [1:36:23] conducting [1:36:24] this hearing [1:36:24] ongoing [1:36:25] din po [1:36:26] yung [1:36:26] press [1:36:26] conference [1:36:27] po [1:36:27] dun [1:36:27] sa [1:36:27] taas [1:36:28] so [1:36:29] might [1:36:29] as [1:36:29] well [1:36:29] mabuti [1:36:30] po [1:36:30] bumaba [1:36:31] na [1:36:31] lang [1:36:31] sila [1:36:31] dito [1:36:32] para [1:36:32] ika [1:36:32] nga [1:36:33] may [1:36:33] lahat [1:36:34] nila [1:36:34] gusto [1:36:34] nang [1:36:34] sabihin [1:36:35] matanong [1:36:35] po [1:36:36] maayos [1:36:37] unlike [1:36:38] dito [1:36:38] na [1:36:38] puro [1:36:39] press [1:36:39] conference [1:36:39] po [1:36:40] sila [1:36:40] so [1:36:41] committee [1:36:41] secretary [1:36:41] I'm [1:36:42] directing [1:36:42] you [1:36:42] to [1:36:43] send [1:36:43] one [1:36:44] of [1:36:44] your [1:36:44] staff [1:36:45] or [1:36:45] your [1:36:45] personnel [1:36:46] to [1:36:46] invite [1:36:47] or [1:36:47] ask [1:36:48] senator [1:36:48] robin [1:36:48] padilla [1:36:49] inquire [1:36:50] if [1:36:50] they're [1:36:50] still [1:36:51] interested [1:36:51] coming [1:36:52] down [1:36:52] here [1:36:52] sa [1:36:52] blue [1:36:53] ribbon [1:36:53] hearing [1:36:54] po [1:36:54] natin [1:36:55] para [1:36:55] malinaw [1:36:56] po [1:36:56] on [1:36:56] record [1:36:57] lahat [1:36:57] hindi [1:36:57] po [1:36:57] yung [1:36:58] bisita [1:36:59] po [1:36:59] natin [1:36:59] ni [1:37:00] senator [1:37:00] robin [1:37:00] na [1:37:01] padilla [1:37:01] yung [1:37:01] labing [1:37:02] walong [1:37:02] bodyguard [1:37:06] bibigyan [1:37:06] sa [1:37:07] fifth [1:37:07] floor [1:37:07] nagbibigay [1:37:08] po [1:37:08] ng [1:37:08] press [1:37:08] conference [1:37:09] ang [1:37:10] nagtatanong [1:37:10] lamang [1:37:11] po [1:37:11] media [1:37:11] and [1:37:12] and [1:37:12] dito [1:37:12] po [1:37:12] tayo [1:37:12] lahat [1:37:13] gusto [1:37:13] po [1:37:13] natin [1:37:13] silang [1:37:14] matanong [1:37:14] at [1:37:14] marinig [1:37:15] ito [1:37:16] po [1:37:16] siguro [1:37:16] ang [1:37:16] tamang [1:37:17] venue [1:37:17] na [1:37:18] ikang [1:37:19] magpahayag [1:37:20] sila [1:37:20] hindi [1:37:20] po [1:37:21] sa [1:37:21] isang [1:37:21] media [1:37:22] conference [1:37:22] so [1:37:23] committee [1:37:23] secretary [1:37:24] go [1:37:24] ahead [1:37:24] and [1:37:25] send [1:37:25] someone [1:37:25] to [1:37:26] the [1:37:27] office [1:37:27] of [1:37:27] senator [1:37:28] robin [1:37:28] okay [1:37:29] let's [1:37:29] move [1:37:30] on [1:37:30] yung [1:37:31] order [1:37:32] of [1:37:32] arrival [1:37:32] po [1:37:32] ng [1:37:33] line [1:37:33] of [1:37:33] questioning [1:37:33] center [1:37:34] jv [1:37:35] senator [1:37:36] baum [1:37:36] and [1:37:36] senator [1:37:38] jv [1:37:40] senator [1:37:40] baum [1:37:41] senator [1:37:41] risa [1:37:41] senator [1:37:42] soto [1:37:42] senate [1:37:44] but [1:37:45] before [1:37:46] that [1:37:46] may [1:37:47] tatanong [1:37:47] po [1:37:48] yata [1:37:48] si [1:37:48] senate [1:37:49] pro [1:37:49] tempore [1:37:50] gatchel [1:37:51] yan [1:37:51] maraming [1:37:52] salamat [1:37:52] mr. [1:37:52] chairman [1:37:53] this is [1:37:54] directed [1:37:55] to [1:37:55] attorney [1:37:57] matibag [1:37:57] director [1:37:58] of [1:37:58] the [1:37:58] nbi [1:37:59] meron [1:38:00] ho [1:38:00] kayong [1:38:00] mga [1:38:01] nasabi [1:38:03] sa [1:38:03] media [1:38:03] na [1:38:04] merong [1:38:04] informant [1:38:05] actually [1:38:05] tutuloy [1:38:06] ko [1:38:06] lang [1:38:06] po [1:38:06] yung [1:38:06] tanong [1:38:07] ni [1:38:08] center [1:38:08] rafi [1:38:09] na [1:38:10] meron [1:38:10] kayong [1:38:10] informant [1:38:11] na [1:38:12] nagsabi [1:38:12] na [1:38:13] si [1:38:14] mike [1:38:14] defensor [1:38:15] ay [1:38:15] nag-offer [1:38:15] ng [1:38:15] 5 [1:38:16] million [1:38:17] pesos [1:38:17] dito [1:38:17] sa [1:38:18] 18 [1:38:19] bodyguards [1:38:19] can [1:38:20] you [1:38:20] give [1:38:21] us [1:38:21] a [1:38:22] narration [1:38:22] of [1:38:23] that [1:38:23] and [1:38:23] base [1:38:25] sa [1:38:25] inyong [1:38:25] statement [1:38:26] meron [1:38:26] rin [1:38:26] sinumpa [1:38:27] ang [1:38:27] salay [1:38:28] sa [1:38:28] ito [1:38:28] na [1:38:29] meron [1:38:30] po [1:38:31] kasi [1:38:31] sa NBI [1:38:32] po [1:38:32] we function [1:38:33] na meron [1:38:33] mga [1:38:34] tinatawag [1:38:35] kaming [1:38:35] alipower [1:38:35] assets [1:38:36] na [1:38:37] nag-gather [1:38:38] po [1:38:38] ng mga [1:38:38] intelligence [1:38:39] report [1:38:39] yan [1:38:40] so [1:38:40] he came [1:38:41] across [1:38:42] dito [1:38:42] po [1:38:42] sa [1:38:42] parang [1:38:43] hindi [1:38:43] po [1:38:44] son-in-law [1:38:44] talaga [1:38:45] but [1:38:45] he is a [1:38:46] partner [1:38:46] of the [1:38:47] daughter [1:38:47] nung [1:38:48] isa [1:38:48] sa [1:38:48] 18 [1:38:50] bodyguards [1:38:52] I think [1:38:53] siguro [1:38:54] for [1:38:54] purposes [1:38:55] na [1:38:56] mas [1:38:57] malinaw [1:38:58] pwede [1:38:59] ko [1:38:59] na rin [1:38:59] siguro [1:38:59] bangitin [1:39:00] yung [1:39:00] pangalan [1:39:00] total [1:39:01] napadala [1:39:01] naman [1:39:02] naman [1:39:02] siya [1:39:02] ng [1:39:02] pangalan [1:39:05] niya [1:39:05] si [1:39:05] Anselmo [1:39:06] Taberdo [1:39:07] po [1:39:07] yung [1:39:07] isa [1:39:07] sa [1:39:08] marines [1:39:08] may [1:39:09] anak [1:39:10] siya [1:39:10] at [1:39:11] partner [1:39:11] niya [1:39:11] po [1:39:11] itong [1:39:12] nakausap [1:39:13] ng [1:39:14] ating [1:39:14] mga [1:39:14] ehente [1:39:15] at [1:39:15] nagpahayag [1:39:16] po siya [1:39:16] ng malayang [1:39:17] pahayag [1:39:17] recorded [1:39:18] din po [1:39:18] ito [1:39:19] noong [1:39:20] April [1:39:20] 28 [1:39:21] and I will [1:39:21] also [1:39:22] submit [1:39:22] na [1:39:22] yung [1:39:24] parang [1:39:25] salaysay [1:39:26] niya [1:39:26] na [1:39:26] kanyang [1:39:27] pinirmahan [1:39:27] malayang [1:39:28] pinirmahan [1:39:28] na [1:39:29] ang sinasabi [1:39:29] po rito [1:39:30] sa [1:39:30] salaysay [1:39:31] na [1:39:32] itong [1:39:32] si [1:39:33] Anselmo [1:39:33] Taberdo [1:39:34] ay isa [1:39:35] sa mga [1:39:35] doon [1:39:35] sa [1:39:36] labing [1:39:36] walo [1:39:36] na [1:39:37] in-approach [1:39:38] ng [1:39:38] grupo [1:39:38] ni [1:39:38] Mike [1:39:39] Defensor [1:39:39] at [1:39:39] pinangakuan [1:39:40] ng [1:39:41] limang [1:39:41] milyong [1:39:41] piso [1:39:42] kapalit [1:39:42] ng [1:39:43] pagsasalita [1:39:44] ang sinabi [1:39:46] malino pa nga po [1:39:46] sinabi [1:39:47] mag-aapir [1:39:47] sa media [1:39:48] at [1:39:49] magkakaroon [1:39:50] ng testimonya [1:39:52] so [1:39:52] doon po [1:39:54] ang pangako [1:39:54] limang [1:39:54] milyon [1:39:55] at kaya po [1:39:55] binabanggit [1:39:56] niya to [1:39:56] personal [1:39:57] sa kanya [1:39:57] sinabi niya [1:39:58] na silang [1:39:58] mag-ka-partner [1:40:00] may anak po [1:40:00] silang isa [1:40:01] ay pinangakuan [1:40:02] ng [1:40:02] 500,000 [1:40:03] para makapag-negosyo [1:40:05] sila [1:40:06] so [1:40:06] ngayon [1:40:07] nung tinatanong [1:40:08] yung 500,000 [1:40:09] doon po [1:40:09] na ikwento [1:40:10] na [1:40:10] ang naibibigay [1:40:11] pa lang daw [1:40:12] ay 700,000 [1:40:14] pero eventually [1:40:14] bumalik po siya [1:40:16] nung May 6 [1:40:17] sa aming pong tanggapan [1:40:19] para magdagdag pa [1:40:20] ng kanyang testimonya [1:40:22] at nilinaw niya [1:40:23] na hindi pa pala [1:40:24] nabibigay talaga [1:40:25] yung 700,000 [1:40:26] 350,000 [1:40:28] pa lang yung [1:40:28] nabigay [1:40:29] at utay-utay pa po [1:40:31] itong naibigay [1:40:31] so [1:40:32] nung pong magkakaroon [1:40:34] ng [1:40:34] sila [1:40:36] na nagpatawag [1:40:36] dito [1:40:37] nung June [1:40:37] na yung parang [1:40:38] pagdinig po nila rito [1:40:40] we contact [1:40:41] itong person na ito [1:40:42] to validate ulit [1:40:43] at katunayan [1:40:44] sinusurveilas [1:40:46] at sinusundan ba rin [1:40:47] naman po namin siya [1:40:48] kasi nga po [1:40:49] kaibat nito [1:40:50] nagpadala na kami [1:40:51] ng sabi na [1:40:52] kay Mike Defensor [1:40:53] at kung po [1:40:54] kay Anselmo Taberdo [1:40:56] para [1:40:56] magbigay lino po [1:40:57] dito sa testimonya [1:40:59] nitong tao na ito [1:41:00] yun po yung sinasabi natin [1:41:02] Mr. Chair [1:41:02] na lahat po [1:41:03] ng papasok na ebidensya [1:41:05] sa amin sa NBI [1:41:05] ay binibigyang halaga namin [1:41:07] at amin pong sinusundan [1:41:08] Director [1:41:10] Can you state the name [1:41:12] of this informant? [1:41:13] Is it possible [1:41:14] sabihin yung kanyang pangalan? [1:41:18] Well, ang pangalan po niya [1:41:19] ay si Brent Ragasa [1:41:20] siya ay 28 years old [1:41:23] Fred Ragasa [1:41:24] Opo [1:41:25] Brent [1:41:26] Brent po [1:41:26] And [1:41:28] pwede rin po ba [1:41:32] siyang dalin dito [1:41:32] para magbigay [1:41:33] ng personal testimony? [1:41:34] Yun po ang pinapavalidate namin [1:41:36] kung [1:41:36] kasi tinatawag [1:41:38] ang huling pakikipag-usap po [1:41:39] sa aming [1:41:40] mga [1:41:40] investigador [1:41:42] ay tinatawagan siya ngayon [1:41:43] ito ni Anselmo [1:41:44] Anselmo Taberdo [1:41:46] Is he willing to come here [1:41:47] to give his testimony? [1:41:48] Iaalamin po namin [1:41:49] yung po yung tanong namin [1:41:50] dahil [1:41:51] nung po siya ay [1:41:52] kinuhuhan na namin ulit [1:41:54] ng testimonya [1:41:55] ay mukhang sumasabay [1:41:57] na tinatawagan siya [1:41:58] bigla po [1:41:58] nung grupo nila [1:41:59] Ano ang motibo naman [1:42:00] nitong taong to? [1:42:03] Gusto ko malaman [1:42:04] bakit siya biglang [1:42:05] nagbigay ng [1:42:08] ganitong information [1:42:10] considering na [1:42:10] parang son-in-law siya [1:42:12] Tinitingnan po namin [1:42:14] base sa kwento niya [1:42:15] mukhang mayroon [1:42:16] ng diferensya [1:42:16] yung magka-partner [1:42:17] at siya ngayon [1:42:18] yung may dala [1:42:19] dun sa anak niya [1:42:20] so parang may [1:42:21] personal reason po [1:42:22] na tungkol dun [1:42:23] sa kanilang relasyon [1:42:24] at maaaring yung [1:42:25] isang dahilan [1:42:26] ay pinag-iisipan [1:42:28] hindi dumating [1:42:28] yung talagang pangako [1:42:29] na 500,000 [1:42:31] bilang parte dun [1:42:32] sa makukuha [1:42:33] dapat na 5 milyong piso [1:42:34] Yung parang may [1:42:36] because of that [1:42:38] personal circumstance [1:42:39] nagsalita siya [1:42:41] doon [1:42:42] and based on [1:42:43] your analysis [1:42:44] itong informant [1:42:46] is a credible [1:42:47] witness [1:42:49] itong si Ragasa [1:42:50] si Mr. Ragasa [1:42:51] Pag binalidate po [1:42:53] yung kanyang [1:42:53] personal circumstances [1:42:54] at relationship [1:42:55] maaaring po talagang [1:42:56] napagkwentohan [1:42:57] dun na nga po [1:42:58] Mr. Chair po [1:42:59] mapasok yung aming [1:43:00] kagustuhan [1:43:01] na ipatawag [1:43:02] si Ansen Mataberdo [1:43:03] at si Mike Defensor [1:43:04] para po mas mabigyang [1:43:06] linaw [1:43:06] yung testimony [1:43:07] yung ibinibigay [1:43:08] po nitong tao na ito [1:43:10] base ba dun [1:43:12] sa information [1:43:12] na consummate [1:43:14] ba itong 5 milyon [1:43:15] na ibigay ba [1:43:15] hindi pa po [1:43:16] lumalabas po [1:43:17] sa huling statement [1:43:18] 350 [1:43:18] 350 pa lang po [1:43:20] yung kabuwang [1:43:20] natatanggap [1:43:21] pero may mga [1:43:23] kwinento pa po siya [1:43:24] na siya ay [1:43:25] yung mga lugar [1:43:26] kaya po [1:43:27] nagkaroon ng [1:43:28] credibility [1:43:28] at sinunda namin [1:43:29] yung mga lugar [1:43:30] na binabanggit [1:43:31] kung nasaan [1:43:31] yung labing walo [1:43:32] ay tubutog [1:43:34] mapuro sa kanyang [1:43:34] storya [1:43:36] and nasaan na itong [1:43:38] taong to [1:43:39] is he under [1:43:40] NBI custody [1:43:41] wala po sa aming [1:43:42] custody [1:43:42] pero [1:43:43] alam po namin [1:43:45] kung saan siya [1:43:46] nakatira [1:43:46] dati pong nasa tagig [1:43:47] lumipat po ng tirahan [1:43:49] at amin po siyang [1:43:49] minamanmanan po [1:43:50] nakasurveillance po [1:43:51] and then [1:43:52] gusto ko lang po rin [1:43:54] matanong [1:43:54] itong [1:43:55] informant na ito [1:43:57] nag [1:43:58] person [1:43:58] nag [1:43:58] nag [1:43:59] nag [1:43:59] appear personally [1:44:02] sa NBI [1:44:03] opo [1:44:03] dalawang beses po [1:44:05] katunayan [1:44:06] nung isang beses [1:44:06] nagpunta siya [1:44:07] mayroon pang isang [1:44:08] media personality [1:44:09] na nakapang cover [1:44:10] po sa kanya [1:44:10] at recorded po [1:44:11] lahat [1:44:12] ang kanya pong [1:44:13] pagdalo sa NBI [1:44:14] pasabit na lang [1:44:15] sa committee [1:44:15] rin yung [1:44:16] in confidence [1:44:17] I know this is [1:44:18] a confidential matter [1:44:20] for [1:44:21] yung [1:44:22] pasabit na lang [1:44:23] sa amin [1:44:24] yung video [1:44:25] as well as [1:44:25] yung transcripts [1:44:27] ng interview [1:44:27] we'll comply [1:44:28] po Mr. Chair [1:44:29] we can [1:44:29] we can [1:44:31] look at it [1:44:33] and then [1:44:34] balikan ko lang [1:44:35] kanina yung [1:44:36] inyong presentation [1:44:37] director [1:44:38] based on your [1:44:39] analysis [1:44:40] doon sa mga [1:44:41] sinumpang [1:44:43] salaysay [1:44:43] nung 18 bodyguards [1:44:45] anong analysis [1:44:47] nyo [1:44:47] bottom line [1:44:49] kasi nakita ko [1:44:51] marami kayong [1:44:52] standards [1:44:52] na sinusundan [1:44:53] and these are [1:44:54] legal standards [1:44:55] na ayon sa batas [1:44:56] but based on [1:44:57] your analysis [1:44:57] ano ang itong [1:44:59] itong kanilang [1:44:59] mga sinumpaang [1:45:00] salaysay [1:45:01] ano ang inyong [1:45:03] analysis dito [1:45:04] well unang una po [1:45:05] yung pinagsamang [1:45:07] sinumpaang salaysay [1:45:08] nila [1:45:08] na isinumiti [1:45:09] sa ombudsman [1:45:09] meryo marami [1:45:11] pong kaduda-duda [1:45:12] sabi ko nga [1:45:13] kung meron pong [1:45:14] katotohanan doon [1:45:16] at hindi base sa hearsay [1:45:17] mga 10 to 20% [1:45:18] malaki na po yung 20% [1:45:20] at nung berinik doon [1:45:21] pangunap po namin ito [1:45:23] at tanungin isa-isa [1:45:24] yung nabing walo [1:45:24] eh lalo pong [1:45:25] napagtiba yung aming [1:45:27] pananaw [1:45:29] na ito [1:45:29] ay hindi namin [1:45:30] maaaring magamit [1:45:31] para magsampan [1:45:32] ang kaso doon [1:45:33] sa mga taong [1:45:34] nabanggit [1:45:34] at higit pa po dyan [1:45:37] lumalabas na talagang [1:45:39] mukhang sinulat [1:45:40] at kinotes [1:45:42] corroborated po [1:45:44] yung pagsusulat [1:45:45] nitong pinagsamang [1:45:47] sunumpang salaysay [1:45:48] in addition to this [1:45:49] tinignan po namin [1:45:50] yung mga [1:45:51] pronouncements [1:45:52] sa media [1:45:52] sa social media [1:45:53] yung unang mga lumabas [1:45:55] na pinagsamang [1:45:56] sunumpang salaysay [1:45:57] ay marami pong [1:45:58] inconsistency [1:45:59] masyado [1:46:00] na magiging problema po [1:46:01] pag aming pong [1:46:02] inakyat [1:46:03] sa prosecution [1:46:04] at pati na rin po [1:46:05] sa korte [1:46:05] kung ito [1:46:06] itatayo [1:46:07] and [1:46:09] kung [1:46:10] ganun [1:46:12] meron bang [1:46:13] violation of the law [1:46:14] na ginawa itong [1:46:16] mga [1:46:16] taong ito [1:46:18] meron silang [1:46:20] sunumpang [1:46:21] salaysay [1:46:21] pumunta ba sila [1:46:22] sa NBI [1:46:23] to personally [1:46:23] give the [1:46:25] statement [1:46:26] or [1:46:27] meron ba silang [1:46:28] personal narration [1:46:28] sa NBI [1:46:29] sinupin na po namin [1:46:30] sila [1:46:31] pumunta po sila [1:46:32] yung una [1:46:32] ayaw nilang magbigay [1:46:33] ng pahayag [1:46:34] so binigyan po namin [1:46:36] ng pangalawang [1:46:36] pagkakataon [1:46:37] kasama po sa sinupina [1:46:39] dyan nga sila [1:46:40] yung mga may kinalaman [1:46:42] si Bishop [1:46:42] Efren Tendero [1:46:43] si Mike Defensor [1:46:46] yung asawa po [1:46:47] ni Mike Defensor [1:46:48] mga ilang personalities po [1:46:51] pero [1:46:52] hindi po nagbigay [1:46:53] ng testimonya [1:46:54] yung iba [1:46:55] yung bumalik po sila [1:46:56] yung pong labing walo [1:46:58] nagbigay po [1:47:00] ng testimonya nila [1:47:00] pero dun po [1:47:01] sa labing walo [1:47:02] lima lamang po [1:47:03] ang pumirma [1:47:04] Mr. Chair [1:47:05] yung labing tatlo po [1:47:06] pinigilan ni [1:47:07] Attorney Balikod [1:47:08] na pirmahan [1:47:09] at gusto niya [1:47:10] ay kanya munang [1:47:11] reviewin [1:47:12] yung naging mga [1:47:13] statement [1:47:13] nung labing walo [1:47:14] nagkaroon pa nga po [1:47:15] ng isidente [1:47:16] na gustong punitin [1:47:17] ni [1:47:17] Attorney Balikod [1:47:19] yung mga testimonya [1:47:21] nung [1:47:21] mga labing walong [1:47:23] bodyguards [1:47:25] na hindi naman po [1:47:26] natin pinayagan [1:47:27] kaya meron po [1:47:28] kaming hawak [1:47:28] na limang [1:47:29] yung interview po [1:47:30] alam nyo po [1:47:31] yung parang blatter [1:47:32] na question and answer [1:47:33] na pirmahan po [1:47:34] nung lima [1:47:35] yung labing tatlo [1:47:35] hindi na po po [1:47:36] I would assume [1:47:37] na kung [1:47:38] buo yung loob mo [1:47:40] magbigay ng testimonya [1:47:41] pupunta ka doon [1:47:42] magbigay ka testimonya [1:47:43] permahan mo [1:47:44] tama po yan [1:47:46] Mr. Chair [1:47:46] how come [1:47:46] mayroon pang [1:47:47] commotion and drama [1:47:48] na nangyari [1:47:49] na may pupunitin [1:47:50] at hindi po [1:47:50] meron lahat [1:47:51] marahe pong drama [1:47:53] nangyari [1:47:53] yung unang patawag [1:47:54] pa lang [1:47:54] ano po [1:47:55] actually [1:47:55] yung unang patawag [1:47:56] pa lang po [1:47:57] mas mahaba pa [1:47:58] yung naging salita [1:47:58] ni Mike Defensor [1:47:59] at ang kanyang abogado [1:48:01] sa media ng NBI [1:48:02] kaysa po makipag-usap [1:48:04] ng maayos [1:48:04] sa aming mga [1:48:05] investigador [1:48:05] at illegally [1:48:07] binidio capture [1:48:09] nila yung [1:48:10] pag-iimbestiga [1:48:11] tapos inilabas nila [1:48:12] sa media [1:48:13] so may mga [1:48:14] behavior po na ganun [1:48:15] pero ang naging [1:48:16] instruction po natin [1:48:17] doon sa ating [1:48:17] mga investigador [1:48:18] is to exercise [1:48:19] maximum tolerance [1:48:20] kasi alam naman po [1:48:22] natin [1:48:22] parang politically [1:48:24] high profile [1:48:25] itong kaso na ito [1:48:26] kaya atin pong [1:48:27] iningatan [1:48:27] hanggang suno [1:48:28] nagbigay na po [1:48:29] sila ng pahayag nila [1:48:30] at ayaw namang pirmahan [1:48:31] kaya ang hirap [1:48:32] din pong gamitin [1:48:33] tama po [1:48:34] pero [1:48:35] meron din po [1:48:36] kaming recording [1:48:37] lahat po [1:48:37] ng proceedings [1:48:38] iningin namin [1:48:39] ng kanilang consent [1:48:40] na amin pong [1:48:40] i-video record [1:48:41] yung boom proceedings [1:48:42] at meron po tayo noon [1:48:43] ipakisubmit na lang [1:48:45] sa committee rin [1:48:46] so that we can [1:48:47] analyze [1:48:48] and also [1:48:48] the full transcript [1:48:49] para rin [1:48:51] mabasa namin [1:48:53] at ma-analyze [1:48:54] namin dito [1:48:55] and my last question [1:48:56] Mr. Chairman [1:48:56] before I go [1:48:57] to any round [1:48:58] based on your analysis [1:49:00] kung lima lang [1:49:01] ang pumerma [1:49:02] base sa inyong [1:49:03] testimonya ngayon [1:49:05] can we take [1:49:07] the entire [1:49:08] testimonies [1:49:11] kasi sinabi nyo [1:49:13] 10% [1:49:14] yung [1:49:15] masasabing [1:49:17] direct [1:49:17] information [1:49:18] the 90% [1:49:19] hindi [1:49:19] so ano [1:49:21] ang analysis [1:49:22] ng [1:49:22] NBA [1:49:23] on this entire [1:49:25] testimony [1:49:26] or testimonies [1:49:27] ang mahirap po [1:49:28] yung 10% [1:49:29] na totoo [1:49:30] totoo [1:49:30] naging [1:49:31] empleyado [1:49:31] halimbawa po [1:49:31] yung totoo [1:49:32] naging empleyado [1:49:33] sila ni [1:49:33] Saldico [1:49:34] na tapos [1:49:36] totoo po [1:49:36] na sila [1:49:37] na-assign [1:49:39] kung ani-ganino [1:49:40] totoo po [1:49:41] na dating [1:49:42] Marines [1:49:42] yung iba [1:49:43] yun po [1:49:44] yung mga [1:49:44] totoo [1:49:45] ron [1:49:45] totoong [1:49:46] kakilala nila [1:49:46] siguro [1:49:47] yung ibang tao [1:49:47] pero [1:49:48] yung [1:49:48] mismong [1:49:49] allegasyon [1:49:49] na po [1:49:49] ng [1:49:50] nangyaring [1:49:50] krimen [1:49:51] na nag-deliver [1:49:51] sila [1:49:52] ng pera [1:49:52] directly [1:49:53] yun po [1:49:54] dapat yung [1:49:54] alam nila [1:49:55] hindi po [1:49:56] nila alam [1:49:56] kung talagang [1:49:57] yung laman [1:49:57] ng maleta [1:49:58] ay pera [1:49:58] meron pa nga [1:49:59] pong isa [1:50:00] dun sa pumirma [1:50:01] yung sinabidad [1:50:01] binanggat ko [1:50:02] po kanina [1:50:02] tinanong siyang [1:50:04] direkta [1:50:04] nung [1:50:04] nag-iimbestiga [1:50:05] kung ano [1:50:07] yung [1:50:07] diniliver [1:50:07] niya [1:50:07] maret [1:50:08] asagot [1:50:08] niya [1:50:08] wala [1:50:09] pero [1:50:09] pag [1:50:09] pinagsama-sama [1:50:10] po [1:50:10] yung [1:50:11] pinagsamang [1:50:12] sa Laysay [1:50:13] magmumukhang [1:50:14] maganda yung [1:50:14] istorya [1:50:15] at paniniwalaan [1:50:16] pwedeng [1:50:17] paniwalaan [1:50:18] for purposes [1:50:19] other than [1:50:20] prosecuting [1:50:21] or going [1:50:22] after [1:50:22] dun sa [1:50:23] mga [1:50:23] nagkamali [1:50:23] e mukhang [1:50:24] hindi po [1:50:24] titindig [1:50:25] binanggit [1:50:26] nga po [1:50:26] kanina [1:50:27] ni [1:50:27] P.J. [1:50:27] Padulion [1:50:28] na [1:50:28] binabanan [1:50:29] namin [1:50:29] yung [1:50:30] standard [1:50:30] to [1:50:30] probable [1:50:32] cause [1:50:33] e hindi [1:50:34] pa rin [1:50:34] po [1:50:34] lulusot [1:50:35] e [1:50:35] hindi pa rin [1:50:36] po [1:50:36] papasok [1:50:36] sa [1:50:37] probable [1:50:37] cause [1:50:37] kasi [1:50:38] gusto [1:50:38] lang [1:50:38] namin [1:50:39] makita [1:50:39] na [1:50:40] maimbestigahan [1:50:40] yung [1:50:41] mga [1:50:41] binanggit [1:50:42] na [1:50:42] tao [1:50:42] na [1:50:42] gusto [1:50:42] rin [1:50:43] nila [1:50:43] gusto [1:50:43] rin [1:50:43] po [1:50:43] namin [1:50:44] ipatawag [1:50:44] ang [1:50:45] problema [1:50:45] po [1:50:46] namin [1:50:46] Mr. [1:50:46] Chair [1:50:47] pag [1:50:47] ipinatawag [1:50:48] namin [1:50:48] base [1:50:48] rin sa [1:50:49] kanilang [1:50:49] inilatag [1:50:50] na [1:50:50] joint [1:50:51] opinion [1:50:51] na yun [1:50:52] baka [1:50:53] po [1:50:53] mukhang [1:50:53] nagpipishing [1:50:54] expedition [1:50:54] kami [1:50:55] at kami [1:50:55] naman [1:50:55] po [1:50:56] ang [1:50:56] papanagutin [1:50:57] ng [1:50:57] mga [1:50:57] taong [1:50:57] aming [1:50:57] ipinapatawag [1:50:58] po [1:50:58] Thank you [1:51:00] Mr. [1:51:00] Chairman [1:51:09] another topic [1:51:09] siguro [1:51:11] nabanggit [1:51:11] kanina [1:51:12] I'd just like to ask [1:51:13] probably the NBI [1:51:14] or DOJ [1:51:15] are there efforts [1:51:17] to locate [1:51:18] yung [1:51:18] nabanggit [1:51:19] na [1:51:19] doon sa [1:51:20] affidavit [1:51:21] yung mga [1:51:22] EA [1:51:23] ni Saldico [1:51:24] yung Paul Estrada [1:51:26] Mark Tixay [1:51:28] Roberto Albarigo [1:51:30] ito yung mga [1:51:31] nabanggit na rin [1:51:31] ng mga [1:51:32] Blue Ribbon [1:51:33] Committee [1:51:33] hearing [1:51:34] na nakaraan [1:51:34] na [1:51:34] naalala ko [1:51:36] na kasi [1:51:36] na ito yung [1:51:37] mga taong [1:51:37] individual [1:51:38] na malapit [1:51:38] kay Saldico [1:51:39] and they were [1:51:40] also mentioned [1:51:41] Mr. Chair [1:51:41] doon sa [1:51:42] affidavit [1:51:43] ni Gilna Bidad [1:51:44] at ni [1:51:45] Ancel Notaverdo [1:51:47] Tama no? [1:51:48] Attorney [1:51:49] Director [1:51:50] they were also [1:51:51] mentioned [1:51:51] itong [1:51:52] mga malalapit [1:51:53] supposedly [1:51:54] kay Saldico [1:51:54] ang tanong ko [1:51:56] na may effort [1:51:56] ba tayo [1:51:57] mahanap [1:51:57] itong mga [1:51:58] mga [1:52:00] executive assistant [1:52:02] o itong [1:52:02] alleged bagman [1:52:03] ni Saldico [1:52:05] dahil [1:52:06] kung buksakasakali [1:52:07] pagpalagay na natin [1:52:08] merah [1:52:09] 5-10% [1:52:11] lang [1:52:11] ang magagamit [1:52:12] doon [1:52:12] dahil kilala nila [1:52:13] yung mga tao [1:52:13] eh pwede pa rin [1:52:15] magamit [1:52:15] no? [1:52:17] Attorney [1:52:17] Matibag [1:52:18] meron mang effort [1:52:18] to look for [1:52:19] these individuals? [1:52:21] Well [1:52:21] we are willing [1:52:22] to see issues [1:52:23] of PINA [1:52:24] to them [1:52:24] ngayon po [1:52:25] pero yung [1:52:26] even nga po [1:52:27] yung identification [1:52:28] nila [1:52:28] tsaka [1:52:29] personal circumstances [1:52:30] hindi po [1:52:31] maibigay sa amin [1:52:32] nung [1:52:32] 18 Marines [1:52:33] so [1:52:34] if there's an effort [1:52:35] there is a [1:52:36] continuing effort [1:52:37] lahat naman po [1:52:38] dito [1:52:38] yung mga [1:52:38] binanggit [1:52:39] make no mistake [1:52:41] na ibig sabihin [1:52:42] dahil hindi [1:52:42] maayos yung [1:52:43] pagkasalaysay [1:52:44] dito sa [1:52:45] pinagsamang [1:52:46] sinumpang salaysay [1:52:47] eh hindi na namin [1:52:48] titignan [1:52:48] titignan pa nang po [1:52:50] namin yun [1:52:50] kaya lang nga [1:52:51] yung magiging [1:52:52] direction po [1:52:52] natin [1:52:53] sa halip na [1:52:54] naging maluwag [1:52:55] at mas mabilis [1:52:56] yung direction [1:52:56] ng pagpunta [1:52:57] eh meron pa po [1:52:58] nangyari na [1:52:59] ganito [1:52:59] na sa gabal po [1:53:00] sa aming hangari [1:53:01] na may patawag po [1:53:02] yung mga taong [1:53:03] dapat naming [1:53:03] investigahan [1:53:04] at na maganda po [1:53:05] kanina [1:53:06] binanggit ni [1:53:06] P.J. Padulion [1:53:07] I just like to [1:53:09] take the opportunity [1:53:10] na ang NBI po [1:53:11] katulong ang DOJ [1:53:13] at saka po [1:53:14] ang Ombudsman [1:53:15] tuloy-tuloy po [1:53:16] yung aming pag-iimbestiga [1:53:17] at mga kasong [1:53:18] aming inihahain po [1:53:19] doon sa mga [1:53:20] dapat managot po [1:53:21] dito sa ating usapin [1:53:22] na flood control [1:53:23] issue po na to [1:53:24] ang ano lang [1:53:26] dahil [1:53:26] sabi nga natin [1:53:28] pag sinabi mong [1:53:28] Marines [1:53:29] eh [1:53:29] ano yung [1:53:30] ibang [1:53:31] ano dun [1:53:31] iba ang [1:53:32] pananaw [1:53:33] alam natin [1:53:34] na yan eh [1:53:35] talagang buhay [1:53:36] lahat [1:53:37] i-a-ano yan [1:53:38] i-alay niya [1:53:40] para sa bayan [1:53:40] no [1:53:41] ang sa akin lang po [1:53:43] ay [1:53:43] Mr. Chair [1:53:44] kung [1:53:46] siguro [1:53:47] sabanggit niya [1:53:48] yung [1:53:48] ator ni Matibag [1:53:49] doon po kasi [1:53:49] sa handling [1:53:50] mukhang hindi maganda [1:53:51] no [1:53:51] yung mga handler [1:53:52] baaring doon [1:53:54] sa mga kaunting [1:53:54] kaya nga po [1:53:55] nag-a-api na nga tayo [1:53:56] doon sa mga [1:53:57] doon sa lima [1:53:58] na nag-execute [1:53:59] ng apidabit [1:54:00] maari pong may magamit [1:54:02] pa doon eh [1:54:02] kung sakasakali [1:54:04] kaya lang [1:54:05] kung [1:54:05] kung nasingitan [1:54:07] kasi [1:54:07] ng handler [1:54:08] na ibang [1:54:09] informasyon [1:54:09] na dinagdag [1:54:11] kung saan-saan [1:54:11] pero dapat [1:54:12] nag-concentrate [1:54:14] din sila [1:54:14] doon sa [1:54:14] personal knowledge [1:54:15] maaring [1:54:16] mas nagamit eh [1:54:17] pag napagtahitahe [1:54:19] kung sakali [1:54:19] Ator ni Matibag [1:54:20] kung [1:54:20] nahana ba itong [1:54:21] Paul Estrada [1:54:22] Mark Dixay [1:54:23] Albarigo [1:54:24] at naitahe doon [1:54:26] kailanabidad [1:54:26] at taberdo [1:54:27] maaring may magamit [1:54:29] kung hindi lang siguro [1:54:31] na sinasabi nyo [1:54:32] na coach na mali [1:54:33] o na dagdagan [1:54:35] maari ho bang magamit [1:54:37] yun [1:54:37] kung sakasakali [1:54:37] mahanap nyo itong [1:54:39] mga sinasabing bagman [1:54:41] at ang EA [1:54:42] ni Saldico [1:54:43] doon [1:54:44] dahil [1:54:45] nabangit nyo rin kanina [1:54:46] yung sa mga lima [1:54:48] na nag-affredavit [1:54:49] eh [1:54:50] na-assign po talaga sila [1:54:52] kay Mr. Saldico [1:54:53] Well, ito naman pong [1:54:55] aming findings na ito [1:54:56] including po [1:54:57] yung nakuha namin [1:54:58] mga testimonya [1:54:59] doon sa mga Marines [1:54:59] we are officially [1:55:01] sharing it to the DOJ [1:55:02] and to the Office [1:55:03] of the Ombudsman [1:55:04] for proper disposition [1:55:05] Kung maalala nyo po [1:55:06] yung aming pong pagkilos [1:55:08] based on the letter [1:55:09] deputizing us [1:55:11] by the Ombudsman [1:55:11] to do the [1:55:12] background investigation [1:55:13] So that is [1:55:14] a background investigation [1:55:16] yung pong mga [1:55:17] binanggit nila roon [1:55:18] will be properly [1:55:19] assessed by the Office [1:55:20] of the Ombudsman [1:55:21] and the Department of Justice [1:55:22] and just the same [1:55:23] we take your advice po [1:55:25] at sabi ko nga [1:55:26] ito pong kasong ito [1:55:27] hindi pa po sarado [1:55:28] tuloy-tuloy [1:55:29] yung pag-iimbestiga [1:55:30] ngayari lamang po [1:55:31] nung lumabas nga itong [1:55:32] payag ng 18 [1:55:33] na bodyguards na to [1:55:35] sa halip na parang luminaw [1:55:37] eh mas lumabo [1:55:38] mas humaba po [1:55:40] yung prosesong [1:55:41] ating gagawin [1:55:41] para habulin natin [1:55:43] yung mga mananagot po [1:55:44] dito sa issue [1:55:44] ng blood control po na ito [1:55:46] kaya nga po [1:55:46] nag ano [1:55:47] papasalamat tayo [1:55:50] sa ating chairperson [1:55:51] si [1:55:51] Sen. Erwin Tulfo [1:55:53] na binagbibigyan sana [1:55:55] ng pagkakataon [1:55:56] yung [1:55:57] labing [1:55:58] walo [1:55:59] na maihayag [1:56:00] yung kanilang nalalaman [1:56:02] nasa halip [1:56:03] na nagpreskon [1:56:04] maaaring [1:56:05] doon sa mga [1:56:06] kasi iba yung [1:56:07] pagpumirma ka [1:56:07] kahit papano [1:56:09] eh tinitindigan mo yun eh [1:56:10] so maaaring may magamit doon [1:56:12] mapagtahitahin natin [1:56:14] kumahanap itong mga individual na ito [1:56:15] kaysa [1:56:16] umiwas po sila [1:56:18] kaya hindi natin [1:56:19] pinalalabas to [1:56:20] Mr. Chair [1:56:20] salamat [1:56:21] at inimbitan mo sila [1:56:22] na i-discredit sila [1:56:24] kundi kung may magagamit doon [1:56:25] bakit hindi [1:56:26] diba [1:56:26] I'm sure [1:56:26] si Atty. Matibag [1:56:27] would agree na [1:56:28] doon sa kahit [1:56:30] sampung porsyento [1:56:31] eh kung magagamit [1:56:32] magtatahitahin natin ito [1:56:34] eh matutunto natin [1:56:35] kung may delivery nga [1:56:37] mayroong ang delivery [1:56:38] kung mayroong [1:56:39] itong mga bagman na ito [1:56:40] may kinalaman talaga [1:56:41] para [1:56:42] talaga malaman na natin [1:56:44] itong mga tunay [1:56:45] na may salarin [1:56:46] dito sa [1:56:47] buong [1:56:48] modus na ito [1:56:51] Yan [1:56:51] ano lang po [1:56:53] salamat po sa [1:56:54] tanong ni [1:56:54] Senator JB [1:56:55] Mr. Chair [1:56:56] let me state po [1:56:58] that the NBI [1:56:59] will be relentless [1:56:59] in pursuing [1:57:00] those who violate [1:57:02] the law [1:57:02] lalo na po [1:57:03] dito sa issue [1:57:03] ng corruption [1:57:04] that is the commitment [1:57:05] po ng NBI [1:57:06] dito sa committee na ito [1:57:08] just to cite an example [1:57:09] just recently [1:57:10] we are going after [1:57:11] politically exposed [1:57:12] persons [1:57:13] recently po [1:57:14] we arrested a director [1:57:15] from SEC [1:57:16] na nag-i-extort po [1:57:18] at meron po [1:57:20] kaming sinusundad [1:57:20] din na lead [1:57:21] na medyo malaking [1:57:23] personality po [1:57:24] na hindi lang namin [1:57:26] ibibigay po po [1:57:27] yung bond detalye [1:57:27] pero meron pong [1:57:29] dalawa [1:57:29] na malaking personality [1:57:31] na tingin namin [1:57:32] ay gumamit [1:57:34] ng mga dami po [1:57:35] para itago [1:57:35] itong issue po [1:57:36] doon [1:57:36] ang blood control po [1:57:37] before we go [1:57:41] to Senator Baum [1:57:42] just want to [1:57:42] remind everybody [1:57:43] yung report po [1:57:45] sa atin [1:57:45] ng Blue Ribbon [1:57:48] Committee Secretariat [1:57:50] ay nagaantay pa rin po [1:57:52] sila ng sagot [1:57:53] sa taas [1:57:53] ayaw po silang [1:57:54] bigyan ng sagot [1:57:55] binibigyan po [1:57:58] natin ng chance [1:57:58] we're inviting [1:57:59] them to [1:58:00] attend this hearing [1:58:02] ang sagot po [1:58:03] ng attorney po nila [1:58:04] si attorney Baligod [1:58:05] inatatakot na po yata [1:58:06] na pag nang-attend [1:58:07] naman po sila dito [1:58:08] baka isight lang po [1:58:09] ng contempt [1:58:10] ng committee [1:58:11] hindi naman po ganon [1:58:13] dahil ito po [1:58:13] invitation lamang po [1:58:15] naman [1:58:15] hindi po ba [1:58:16] and this is just a meeting [1:58:17] but anyway [1:58:18] go ahead [1:58:19] Sen Baum [1:58:22] Maraming salamat [1:58:24] Mr. Chairman [1:58:24] Isa lang po itong [1:58:27] manifestation [1:58:28] marami po tayong [1:58:30] tanong [1:58:30] at yung mga tanong [1:58:31] ho natin [1:58:32] ay para sa [1:58:33] 18 [1:58:34] bodyguards [1:58:36] na hinihikayat [1:58:37] pa rin po [1:58:37] natin [1:58:38] mag-attend [1:58:39] dito po [1:58:39] sa ating [1:58:40] meeting [1:58:40] eventually [1:58:41] magiging hearing [1:58:42] po ito [1:58:43] and under oath [1:58:44] mapag-uusapan [1:58:45] yung [1:58:45] kanilang sinasabi [1:58:47] at malalaman [1:58:48] natin [1:58:48] yung katotohanan [1:58:49] pero siguro po [1:58:50] yung mongkahi ko [1:58:51] na lang [1:58:51] to the agencies [1:58:52] in front of us [1:58:53] ang DOJ [1:58:54] ang NBI [1:58:55] at ang ombudsman [1:58:57] ito po [1:58:59] palagay ko [1:59:00] ito po [1:59:00] yung pakiramdam [1:59:01] ng maraming tao [1:59:01] kailangan po [1:59:03] natin [1:59:03] i-resolve [1:59:03] itong issue [1:59:04] ng flood control [1:59:05] mag-iisang taon [1:59:07] na po [1:59:07] ang SONA [1:59:08] yung SONA [1:59:10] po [1:59:10] last year [1:59:11] dun po [1:59:12] lumabas yung [1:59:13] mahaya naman [1:59:14] kayo [1:59:15] at mag-iisang taon [1:59:16] na po yan [1:59:16] next month [1:59:17] na po yan [1:59:18] so huwag na po [1:59:19] huwag na po natin [1:59:19] paubutin [1:59:20] ng isang taon [1:59:21] na yung pinakamalalaking [1:59:22] isda [1:59:23] ay hindi po [1:59:23] nawuhuli [1:59:25] at sana po [1:59:26] gawin natin yan [1:59:27] na wala po tayong [1:59:28] kinikilingan [1:59:29] we follow the law [1:59:31] we follow where the [1:59:32] evidence leads us [1:59:34] at gawin po natin [1:59:35] yung nararapat [1:59:36] kasi [1:59:36] alam nyo po [1:59:37] may nagsasabi [1:59:38] kasi [1:59:38] nakalimutan na yung [1:59:40] issue ng flood control [1:59:41] yun po yung mga [1:59:42] binabato po rin po [1:59:43] pero hindi po [1:59:45] nakakalimutan yung [1:59:45] flood control [1:59:46] dahil meron po [1:59:48] magpapaalala sa atin [1:59:49] ng flood control [1:59:50] yung panahon [1:59:51] dahil rainy season [1:59:53] na rin po ngayon [1:59:54] kapag bumabaha na po [1:59:55] sa Metro Manila [1:59:56] sa Cebu [1:59:57] sa Iloilo [1:59:58] at napakarami pa [1:59:59] mga lugar [2:00:00] pag bumabaha na po [2:00:01] sa buong kapuluan natin [2:00:03] maalala ng tao [2:00:04] itong issue na ito [2:00:05] at iisipin nila [2:00:07] meron bang nangyari [2:00:08] kaya mahalaga po na [2:00:10] ituloy po yung [2:00:12] hearing [2:00:12] ituloy po yung [2:00:14] investigasyon [2:00:14] at sana po [2:00:15] ma-resolve na po [2:00:16] natin ito [2:00:17] bago pa umabot [2:00:18] ng one year [2:00:19] anniversary [2:00:20] na kung saan po [2:00:21] una itong [2:00:22] nailabas [2:00:23] no [2:00:23] habang hindi pa po [2:00:25] ito nare-resolve [2:00:26] ba tuloy-tuloy po [2:00:27] ang mga tanong [2:00:28] ng taong bayan [2:00:29] kung sineseryoso [2:00:30] ba natin [2:00:30] ang issue na ito [2:00:31] at mahalaga po [2:00:32] naseryosohin po [2:00:33] natin ito [2:00:33] isa po ito [2:00:34] sa pinakamalaking nakawan [2:00:36] sa buong kasaysayan [2:00:37] ng ating bansa [2:00:38] at alam ko po [2:00:39] mahirap ang trabaho [2:00:40] ninyo [2:00:40] kada hakbang [2:00:42] may bumabatikos [2:00:43] alam ko po yan [2:00:44] pero [2:00:46] siguro po [2:00:47] para rin po [2:00:47] sa taong bayan [2:00:48] let's [2:00:49] let's do our best [2:00:51] I know [2:00:51] everyone is trying [2:00:53] their hardest [2:00:53] but [2:00:54] mahalaga siguro po [2:00:55] itong sense of [2:00:56] urgency natin [2:00:57] na magkaroon [2:00:57] ng resolution [2:00:58] ang issue na ito [2:00:59] mahuli ang dapat [2:01:01] mahuli [2:01:01] yung talagang [2:01:02] nasa likod nito [2:01:03] mastermind [2:01:04] kung saan pa po [2:01:04] ito papunta [2:01:05] kailangan po talaga [2:01:06] mahuli na [2:01:07] para makamove on [2:01:08] na rin po tayo [2:01:09] dito po sa ating [2:01:10] mga [2:01:10] kailangang gawin [2:01:12] dito po sa ating [2:01:12] bansa [2:01:13] napakarami pong issue [2:01:14] napakarami pong [2:01:15] krisis [2:01:15] ngayon lang po [2:01:16] nagkaroon ng [2:01:16] earthquake po [2:01:17] sa Mindanao [2:01:18] at marami po [2:01:19] sa amin [2:01:19] pagkatapos po [2:01:21] ng hearing na ito [2:01:22] ay a-action na rin po [2:01:23] namin yung [2:01:24] iba't ibang [2:01:24] pwedeng gawin po doon [2:01:25] pero habang di pa po [2:01:27] ito [2:01:27] nabibigyan [2:01:28] ng tamang [2:01:29] resolution [2:01:29] patuloy po [2:01:30] yung sugot na ito [2:01:31] sa ating bansa [2:01:32] na kailangan pong [2:01:33] magkaroon na po [2:01:34] ng lunas [2:01:35] yun lang po [2:01:35] Mr. Chairman [2:01:36] maraming salamat po [2:01:37] sa mga resource [2:01:37] persons po natin [2:01:38] Thank you [2:01:39] Senator Bam [2:01:39] after Senator Soto [2:01:40] will be [2:01:41] Senator [2:01:41] Rizontiveros [2:01:43] Go ahead po [2:01:44] Senator Soto [2:01:45] Thank you sir [2:01:47] Thank you [2:01:48] Mr. Chairman [2:01:48] I actually came [2:01:52] and prepared [2:01:54] many questions [2:01:55] but after [2:01:57] hearing the [2:01:58] NBI report [2:01:59] and then [2:02:01] looking at [2:02:02] reading through [2:02:04] the joint [2:02:05] affidavit [2:02:07] and then [2:02:07] the [2:02:08] copies [2:02:10] of the [2:02:10] affidavit [2:02:11] of the five [2:02:12] who individually [2:02:13] submitted [2:02:14] their [2:02:14] affidavit [2:02:16] ang dating [2:02:19] sa akin [2:02:19] wala na [2:02:22] ako itatanong [2:02:22] kasi [2:02:23] apparently [2:02:24] yung joint [2:02:25] affidavit [2:02:26] what's it [2:02:28] the word [2:02:29] used by [2:02:29] NBI [2:02:29] based on [2:02:31] the NBI [2:02:31] report [2:02:31] concapted [2:02:32] merong gumawa [2:02:34] at parang [2:02:36] for media [2:02:37] purposes [2:02:37] tapos [2:02:39] nakabanggit [2:02:41] ako ron [2:02:43] nasingit [2:02:44] ako [2:02:44] somewhere [2:02:45] along this [2:02:47] makapal [2:02:48] and then [2:02:50] and then [2:02:50] nung [2:02:50] magbigay [2:02:51] ng [2:02:51] sinumpaang [2:02:53] salaysay [2:02:53] yung mga [2:02:54] nabanggit [2:02:55] noon [2:02:55] lalo [2:02:55] na yung lima [2:02:56] hindi ako [2:02:57] binanggit [2:02:57] wala akong [2:03:00] banggit [2:03:00] doon [2:03:01] walang [2:03:01] sinasabi [2:03:01] sa akin [2:03:02] doon [2:03:02] pero [2:03:03] pagdating [2:03:03] nung [2:03:04] pseudo [2:03:07] hearing [2:03:08] ay [2:03:10] pilit [2:03:11] tinatanong [2:03:11] nung dalawang [2:03:12] senador [2:03:12] tungkol sa akin [2:03:13] tsaka [2:03:13] kay [2:03:13] senator [2:03:14] Laxon [2:03:14] so [2:03:15] I actually [2:03:16] sympathize [2:03:17] with the [2:03:18] 18 ex-bodyguards [2:03:19] because [2:03:20] parang [2:03:22] nagagamit [2:03:22] talaga [2:03:23] sila [2:03:24] nakakawa [2:03:28] dahil [2:03:29] later on [2:03:30] baka [2:03:30] sila [2:03:30] sasalo [2:03:31] ng lahat [2:03:31] ng [2:03:31] kabulastu [2:03:33] ganong [2:03:33] ginawa [2:03:33] nung [2:03:33] nagprepare [2:03:34] ng [2:03:34] joint [2:03:34] affidavit [2:03:35] nagsingit [2:03:36] si ganito [2:03:36] sinama [2:03:37] si ganito [2:03:37] pagkatapos [2:03:39] individually [2:03:40] pagka [2:03:40] nakausap [2:03:41] iba ang [2:03:42] kwento nila [2:03:43] nung sarili [2:03:43] nilang [2:03:43] kaalaman [2:03:44] so [2:03:45] with that [2:03:47] Mr. Chairman [2:03:47] I have no [2:03:49] questions [2:03:50] to any [2:03:51] of them [2:03:51] obvious na [2:03:52] alam na [2:03:53] ng taong [2:03:53] bayan [2:03:54] ano [2:03:54] nangyari [2:03:54] Thank you [2:03:56] Senator [2:03:57] Soda [2:03:57] Senator [2:03:58] Risa [2:03:58] Salamat [2:04:00] Mr. Chair [2:04:01] With the [2:04:02] advice of [2:04:03] Vice Chair [2:04:03] Kiko [2:04:04] in relation [2:04:05] doon [2:04:05] sa [2:04:06] lindol [2:04:07] na binagit [2:04:07] ni [2:04:08] Senator [2:04:08] Bam [2:04:08] tatlong [2:04:10] maikling [2:04:10] factual [2:04:11] questions [2:04:11] na lamang [2:04:12] po [2:04:12] sa [2:04:14] NBI [2:04:14] po [2:04:15] hindi po [2:04:16] ba [2:04:17] sa [2:04:17] investigasyon [2:04:18] nyo [2:04:18] parte po [2:04:19] yung [2:04:19] pagkondukta [2:04:20] ng lie [2:04:21] detector [2:04:21] test [2:04:22] and if [2:04:23] so [2:04:23] bakit po [2:04:24] hindi [2:04:24] nakapag [2:04:25] lie [2:04:25] detector [2:04:26] test [2:04:26] po [2:04:26] yung [2:04:27] labing [2:04:27] walong [2:04:28] ex [2:04:28] bodyguards [2:04:29] meron [2:04:30] mga [2:04:30] tinanong [2:04:32] kung [2:04:32] willing [2:04:32] siya [2:04:32] lang [2:04:32] pumasok [2:04:33] sa [2:04:33] lie [2:04:33] detector [2:04:33] test [2:04:34] meron [2:04:35] namang [2:04:35] mga [2:04:35] sumagot [2:04:35] na [2:04:36] directly [2:04:37] na [2:04:37] opo [2:04:38] meron [2:04:38] namang [2:04:39] mga [2:04:39] sumagot [2:04:39] din [2:04:39] na [2:04:40] ang [2:04:40] sinasabi [2:04:40] is [2:04:41] tatanungin [2:04:42] si [2:04:42] attorney [2:04:42] balikod [2:04:43] kaya [2:04:44] nangyari [2:04:44] po [2:04:44] diyan [2:04:44] hindi [2:04:45] muna [2:04:45] na [2:04:45] subject [2:04:46] sa [2:04:46] lie [2:04:46] detector [2:04:46] test [2:04:47] kasi [2:04:47] po [2:04:47] yung [2:04:48] lumalabas [2:04:49] on a [2:04:49] general [2:04:49] sense [2:04:50] ay [2:04:50] tanungin [2:04:51] po [2:04:51] yung [2:04:51] kanilang [2:04:52] abogado [2:04:52] pero [2:05:01] doon po [2:05:01] sa [2:05:01] investigasyon [2:05:02] ng [2:05:02] bureau [2:05:02] lumabas [2:05:03] po ba [2:05:04] kung [2:05:04] paano [2:05:04] nakilala [2:05:05] nung [2:05:05] labing [2:05:06] walong [2:05:06] ex [2:05:06] bodyguards [2:05:07] si [2:05:07] attorney [2:05:08] balikod [2:05:08] mr. [2:05:11] chair [2:05:11] ganito [2:05:11] po [2:05:12] in approach [2:05:13] si [2:05:13] nila [2:05:14] yung [2:05:15] isa [2:05:15] si [2:05:15] what's [2:05:16] the [2:05:16] name [2:05:16] buduan [2:05:19] in approach [2:05:19] ni [2:05:20] attorney [2:05:21] balikod [2:05:22] tapos [2:05:23] si [2:05:24] buduan [2:05:24] siya [2:05:24] ang [2:05:25] nag [2:05:25] recruit [2:05:25] doon [2:05:25] sa [2:05:26] labing [2:05:27] walo [2:05:27] sa [2:05:27] labing [2:05:27] pito [2:05:28] at [2:05:28] nagsimula [2:05:29] sila [2:05:29] nag [2:05:29] meeting [2:05:30] and [2:05:30] eventually [2:05:31] hini [2:05:31] house [2:05:32] na po [2:05:32] sila [2:05:32] sa [2:05:32] isang [2:05:33] tirahan [2:05:33] sa [2:05:34] white [2:05:34] plains [2:05:34] dun po [2:05:35] sa [2:05:35] lugar [2:05:35] ni [2:05:35] attorney [2:05:36] balikod [2:05:36] mismo [2:05:36] mula [2:05:37] pa [2:05:37] po [2:05:37] noong [2:05:38] november [2:05:38] so [2:05:39] ang [2:05:39] naging [2:05:40] option [2:05:41] po [2:05:41] ang [2:05:41] take away [2:05:41] po [2:05:41] naging [2:05:42] option [2:05:42] niyan [2:05:42] kaya [2:05:43] po [2:05:43] na [2:05:43] ano [2:05:43] si [2:05:43] buduan [2:05:44] eh [2:05:44] yung [2:05:45] kay [2:05:45] gutesa [2:05:45] po [2:05:45] dun [2:05:46] po [2:05:46] nagsimula [2:05:46] salamat [2:05:50] mr. [2:05:50] chair [2:05:51] at [2:05:51] huling [2:05:51] tanong [2:05:51] na [2:05:51] lamang [2:05:52] so [2:05:53] paano [2:05:54] po [2:05:54] nabuo [2:05:54] yung [2:05:55] grupong [2:05:55] ito [2:05:56] ganun [2:05:56] po [2:05:56] na [2:05:57] lumapit [2:05:57] si [2:05:57] attorney [2:05:58] balikod [2:05:58] kay [2:05:59] mr. [2:06:00] buduan [2:06:00] at [2:06:01] si [2:06:01] mr. [2:06:01] buduan [2:06:01] na [2:06:02] ang [2:06:02] nagrecruit [2:06:02] nung [2:06:02] labim [2:06:03] pito [2:06:03] pa [2:06:03] meron [2:06:04] pa [2:06:04] nalaman [2:06:05] ang [2:06:05] nbi [2:06:05] dun [2:06:06] sa [2:06:06] pagbubuo [2:06:06] ng [2:06:07] grupo [2:06:07] tama [2:06:07] po [2:06:08] yun [2:06:08] si [2:06:08] buduan [2:06:09] po [2:06:09] yung [2:06:09] parang [2:06:09] pinakang [2:06:10] kinuha [2:06:10] na [2:06:10] kubausap [2:06:11] para [2:06:11] dun [2:06:12] sa [2:06:12] labing [2:06:12] walon [2:06:12] na [2:06:12] sumama [2:06:13] katunayan [2:06:13] hindi [2:06:13] lang [2:06:14] po [2:06:14] ang [2:06:14] aming [2:06:14] findings [2:06:15] hindi [2:06:16] lang [2:06:16] po [2:06:16] labing [2:06:16] walo [2:06:17] yung [2:06:17] kanilang [2:06:17] kinakausap [2:06:18] 26 [2:06:19] po [2:06:19] dapat [2:06:20] yan [2:06:20] eh [2:06:20] at [2:06:21] 24 [2:06:22] may [2:06:22] anim [2:06:22] pa [2:06:22] po [2:06:23] kung [2:06:23] makikita [2:06:24] nyo [2:06:24] po [2:06:24] may [2:06:24] mga [2:06:24] lumabas [2:06:25] dun [2:06:25] sa [2:06:25] social [2:06:26] media [2:06:26] na [2:06:26] aming [2:06:26] nilabas [2:06:27] may [2:06:27] kinakausap [2:06:28] na [2:06:28] additional [2:06:29] na [2:06:29] anim [2:06:30] para [2:06:31] magiging [2:06:31] 24 [2:06:32] tapos [2:06:33] ang [2:06:33] nangyari [2:06:33] po [2:06:33] yan [2:06:34] eh [2:06:34] na [2:06:35] record [2:06:35] pa [2:06:35] nga [2:06:36] na [2:06:36] para [2:06:36] nagtatawaran [2:06:37] pa [2:06:37] ng [2:06:37] presyo [2:06:38] kung [2:06:38] ano [2:06:38] yung [2:06:38] ibibigay [2:06:39] meron [2:06:39] po [2:06:40] kaming [2:06:40] recording [2:06:40] noon [2:06:40] nakuha [2:06:41] rin [2:06:41] po [2:06:41] namin [2:06:41] sa [2:06:42] aming [2:06:42] monitoring [2:06:42] ng [2:06:43] aming [2:06:43] CCD [2:06:43] yung [2:06:44] pong [2:06:44] aming [2:06:44] cyber [2:06:45] crime [2:06:45] division [2:06:46] nando [2:06:46] doon [2:06:46] po [2:06:46] meron [2:06:47] din [2:06:48] po [2:06:48] mga [2:06:48] report [2:06:48] na [2:06:48] pumasok [2:06:49] sa [2:06:49] amin [2:06:49] na [2:06:50] malalayong [2:06:51] lugar [2:06:51] mga [2:06:51] taga [2:06:52] Isabela [2:06:52] taga [2:06:52] Tugigaraw [2:06:53] pinupuntahan [2:06:54] pa [2:06:54] ni [2:06:54] Atty. [2:06:55] Balikod [2:06:56] para [2:06:56] kumbinsihin [2:06:57] unofficially [2:07:00] we cannot [2:07:00] make use [2:07:01] of the [2:07:02] recording [2:07:02] that was [2:07:03] given [2:07:03] to us [2:07:03] dahil [2:07:04] merong [2:07:05] konting [2:07:05] violation [2:07:06] yan [2:07:06] pero [2:07:06] maririnig [2:07:07] mismo [2:07:07] doon [2:07:08] yung [2:07:08] boses [2:07:09] ni [2:07:09] Atty. [2:07:09] Balikod [2:07:10] na [2:07:10] kinukumbinsihin [2:07:11] na [2:07:11] ay ko [2:07:12] kumuha [2:07:12] ng picture [2:07:13] na to [2:07:13] asan [2:07:13] na yung [2:07:13] USB [2:07:14] sinasabi [2:07:15] ng [2:07:15] tao [2:07:15] ayoko [2:07:16] na makialam [2:07:16] nananahimik [2:07:20] itong [2:07:21] 18 [2:07:22] these [2:07:22] are [2:07:22] the [2:07:23] individuals [2:07:23] na [2:07:24] wala [2:07:24] pong [2:07:24] trabaho [2:07:25] kasi [2:07:26] doon [2:07:26] sa [2:07:26] 100 [2:07:27] pag [2:07:27] inyo [2:07:27] pong [2:07:28] i-check [2:07:28] check [2:07:28] i-validate [2:07:29] some [2:07:29] of [2:07:30] them [2:07:30] probably [2:07:31] more [2:07:31] than [2:07:31] 10 [2:07:32] of [2:07:32] them [2:07:32] are [2:07:33] still [2:07:33] in [2:07:33] active [2:07:33] service [2:07:34] so [2:07:35] kaya [2:07:36] ko [2:07:36] po [2:07:36] this [2:07:37] is [2:07:37] material [2:07:37] kaya [2:07:38] ko [2:07:38] po [2:07:38] sinasabi [2:07:38] to [2:07:39] yung [2:07:39] mga [2:07:39] nasa [2:07:40] active [2:07:40] service [2:07:40] may [2:07:41] trabaho [2:07:41] hindi [2:07:41] mo [2:07:41] na [2:07:41] pwedeng [2:07:42] kumbinsihin [2:07:42] dahil [2:07:43] meron [2:07:44] silang [2:07:44] career [2:07:44] more [2:07:45] salary [2:07:47] na [2:07:47] makukuha [2:07:47] yung [2:07:47] career [2:07:48] nila [2:07:48] tinitingnan [2:07:48] nila [2:07:49] pero [2:07:49] itong [2:07:50] individual [2:07:50] na [2:07:51] 18 [2:07:52] na [2:07:52] to [2:07:52] pag [2:07:53] pre-profile [2:07:53] nga po [2:07:54] natin [2:07:54] tingnan mo [2:07:54] yung [2:07:55] pagka-profile [2:07:55] natin [2:07:56] dyan [2:07:56] halos [2:07:56] pare-pareasyong [2:07:57] kanilang [2:07:57] mga [2:07:57] katatayuan [2:07:58] po [2:07:58] so [2:07:59] yun na [2:08:01] po [2:08:02] kasama [2:08:02] na po [2:08:02] yung [2:08:02] seri [2:08:03] bibigay [2:08:03] naming [2:08:03] findings [2:08:04] na [2:08:04] tingin [2:08:05] ko [2:08:05] dapat [2:08:06] po [2:08:06] matingnan [2:08:06] kung [2:08:07] siguro [2:08:08] kumamara [2:08:10] pa [2:08:10] atin [2:08:11] po [2:08:11] meron [2:08:12] namang [2:08:12] lista [2:08:13] doon [2:08:13] sa [2:08:13] mga [2:08:14] empleyado [2:08:15] na [2:08:15] ni [2:08:15] dating [2:08:16] congressman [2:08:17] Saldico [2:08:18] na [2:08:18] nasa [2:08:18] active [2:08:18] service [2:08:19] may [2:08:19] mga [2:08:20] ilan [2:08:20] po [2:08:20] nakausap [2:08:21] dyan [2:08:21] na [2:08:21] natatakot [2:08:22] na lang [2:08:22] lumabas [2:08:23] they're [2:08:23] very [2:08:24] protective [2:08:24] of their [2:08:25] career [2:08:25] baka [2:08:26] sakali [2:08:26] po [2:08:26] sa [2:08:27] pamamagitan [2:08:28] po [2:08:28] ninyo [2:08:28] through [2:08:28] an [2:08:28] executive [2:08:29] session [2:08:29] makausap [2:08:30] po [2:08:31] itong [2:08:31] mga [2:08:31] tao [2:08:31] na [2:08:31] ito [2:08:32] para [2:08:32] po [2:08:32] matapos [2:08:33] at [2:08:33] makita [2:08:34] natin [2:08:34] po [2:08:34] ang [2:08:34] katotohanan [2:08:35] Mr. [2:08:35] Chair [2:08:35] po [2:08:36] makasingit [2:08:36] Actually [2:08:37] yun lang [2:08:38] naman po [2:08:39] yung huli [2:08:39] kong [2:08:39] tanong [2:08:40] Mr. [2:08:40] Chair [2:08:41] maraming [2:08:41] salamat [2:08:42] po [2:08:42] Mr. [2:08:43] Chair [2:08:43] at [2:08:43] Director [2:08:44] and [2:08:45] kapag [2:08:45] fully [2:08:46] constituted [2:08:46] na po [2:08:47] yung [2:08:47] ating [2:08:47] komite [2:08:47] at [2:08:48] magpatuloy [2:08:48] na yung [2:08:48] mga [2:08:49] hearings [2:08:49] I would [2:08:50] be [2:08:50] very [2:08:51] interested [2:08:51] kung [2:08:52] mabigyan [2:08:53] daan [2:08:53] po [2:08:53] ng [2:08:53] chair [2:08:54] yung [2:08:54] executive [2:08:54] session [2:08:55] na [2:08:55] minungkahin [2:08:56] ni [2:08:56] Director [2:08:57] Matibag [2:08:57] para [2:08:58] nga [2:08:58] po [2:08:58] makausap [2:08:59] yung [2:08:59] ibang [2:08:59] mga [2:08:59] taong [2:09:00] iyon [2:09:00] na [2:09:01] pwedeng [2:09:01] magbigay [2:09:02] ng [2:09:07] buduan [2:09:08] so [2:09:09] sana po [2:09:09] ay [2:09:10] ma-find [2:09:12] within [2:09:12] themselves [2:09:13] nung [2:09:13] labing [2:09:14] walong [2:09:14] ex-body [2:09:15] guards [2:09:16] na [2:09:16] tawag [2:09:19] nito [2:09:19] bigyan [2:09:20] ng [2:09:20] respeto [2:09:21] ang [2:09:21] ipadadalang [2:09:22] invitasyon [2:09:23] ng [2:09:23] komite [2:09:23] sa kanila [2:09:24] sa susunod [2:09:25] po [2:09:25] na [2:09:25] pagdinig [2:09:26] ng [2:09:26] fully [2:09:26] constituted [2:09:27] committee [2:09:27] Salamat [2:09:28] po [2:09:28] Mr. [2:09:28] Chair [2:09:28] Thank you [2:09:29] Senator [2:09:29] reason [2:09:29] noted [2:09:30] Go ahead [2:09:31] Senator [2:09:31] Rafi [2:09:32] Okay [2:09:33] kasi [2:09:34] ganina [2:09:34] nababanggit [2:09:35] ni [2:09:35] Attorney [2:09:35] Matibag [2:09:36] paulit-ulit [2:09:36] si Buduyan [2:09:38] ano bang [2:09:39] Buduan [2:09:40] saka [2:09:40] Baligod [2:09:42] so [2:09:43] sila yung [2:09:44] nag-recruit [2:09:45] dito sa [2:09:46] labing walo [2:09:47] and meron pang [2:09:48] sinasabing nga [2:09:49] nagbayaran [2:09:49] nagtawaran [2:09:50] etc [2:09:51] wala bang [2:09:52] pwedeng maikaso [2:09:53] dito sa dalawang [2:09:54] personalidad [2:09:55] na nabanggit [2:09:56] na sila yung [2:09:56] nag-recruit [2:09:57] sa mga taong [2:09:58] para magsinungaling [2:09:59] at [2:09:59] babayaran [2:10:00] itong mga taong to [2:10:01] kapag itong mga taong to [2:10:02] itong labing walo [2:10:03] kadagad [2:10:04] or eventually [2:10:04] may mga magkakaso [2:10:05] sa kanila [2:10:06] kung sino man [2:10:06] yun [2:10:06] hindi natin alam [2:10:07] dahil nga sa pagsisinuali [2:10:08] lalo na nung last hearing [2:10:09] yung last press conference [2:10:11] excuse me [2:10:12] kawawa naman [2:10:14] yung labing walong [2:10:15] kargador [2:10:15] so [2:10:16] itong dalawa [2:10:17] na nag-recruit [2:10:18] wala bang kaso [2:10:19] para sa kanila [2:10:19] Mr. Chair [2:10:22] katunayan [2:10:22] may mga kaso [2:10:23] na pong [2:10:23] na-file sa kanila [2:10:24] yung mga binanggit [2:10:26] po na pangalan [2:10:26] I think [2:10:27] may mga nagkaso [2:10:28] na po [2:10:29] at sa amin din po [2:10:30] meron pong [2:10:30] nakapending kaming [2:10:31] mga investigation [2:10:32] na ang kaso [2:10:33] naman [2:10:33] ang ikinaso naman po [2:10:34] ay yun sa cyber libel [2:10:35] naman dahil [2:10:36] inilabas nga po ito sa [2:10:38] Socmend [2:10:38] at kasama po sa [2:10:39] kinakasuhan si [2:10:40] Atty. Balikod [2:10:41] pero ang NBI po itself [2:10:43] hindi pa po namin [2:10:44] maitulak na kami [2:10:45] ang magkaso [2:10:46] hanggat na [2:10:46] amin pong [2:10:47] mabuo [2:10:48] finally yung [2:10:49] kabuan ng story nito [2:10:51] na kwento [2:10:51] kaya nga sabi ko po [2:10:52] this is an [2:10:53] open and shut [2:10:54] case kasi po [2:10:54] may mga nasasara kami [2:10:56] pero [2:10:56] meron pa rin po [2:10:57] mga pumapasok na [2:10:58] impormasyon [2:10:59] kagaya po nung [2:11:00] galing kay [2:11:01] Mr. Ragasa [2:11:02] na binigay [2:11:03] kaya po [2:11:04] bubuwin po namin yun [2:11:06] at pag natapos po [2:11:07] we will come out [2:11:07] with the recommendation [2:11:08] and if charges [2:11:09] can be filed [2:11:11] following the MC20 [2:11:12] na po [2:11:12] ng [2:11:13] Department of Justice [2:11:14] magkakaso naman po [2:11:16] tayo dyan [2:11:16] Thank you Mr. Chair [2:11:17] Thank you [2:11:18] For the record [2:11:20] si Atty. Balikud po [2:11:22] at yung labing walong [2:11:24] bodyguards [2:11:24] nasa taas pa rin po [2:11:26] at patuloy po [2:11:26] ang pagbibigay [2:11:27] ng press conference [2:11:29] medyo maging [2:11:30] kanilang mga pahayag [2:11:31] po sa media [2:11:32] nagka [2:11:33] balibaliko na [2:11:35] dahil kanina [2:11:36] sabi nila [2:11:36] willing po silang buwaba [2:11:38] and then [2:11:39] kumambi naman po [2:11:40] si Atty. Balikud [2:11:41] sabi naman po [2:11:42] ayon lang buwaba [2:11:43] dahil baka [2:11:43] masight daw sila [2:11:44] ng contempt [2:11:45] ng committee na ito [2:11:46] dahil sa [2:11:47] umano yung pag [2:11:48] titig-iisipin natin [2:11:50] na nagsisinungaling sila [2:11:51] pero nevertheless po [2:11:53] ayaw po nilang [2:11:54] mag-attend sa hearing [2:11:55] sa meeting po na ito [2:11:56] tatlong beses na po [2:11:58] simula kanina po [2:11:59] na mag-umpisa tayo [2:12:00] as 9 pasado [2:12:01] hanggang ngayon [2:12:02] ayaw po nilang [2:12:03] bumaba [2:12:04] despite the fact na [2:12:05] may inutusan na po tayo [2:12:07] sa Blue Ribbon [2:12:08] na sekretariat [2:12:09] wala po silang sagot [2:12:10] patuloy po kanila [2:12:12] pagbibigay ng press con [2:12:13] nililin lang din po [2:12:15] nilang sambayanan [2:12:17] oo pero [2:12:18] mamaya-maya [2:12:19] sinasabi [2:12:19] eh hindi na lamang po [2:12:21] so [2:12:22] sa ngayon po [2:12:23] ayaw po talaga nilang [2:12:24] umatend [2:12:25] mga kasama [2:12:26] na dito po sa ating [2:12:28] ipinatawag po [2:12:29] na meeting [2:12:30] well it makes us [2:12:32] question [2:12:33] their credibility [2:12:35] at kanila pong [2:12:36] motibo [2:12:36] pumunta po sila dito [2:12:38] pero ay naman po nilang [2:12:39] bumaba [2:12:40] dito sa [2:12:40] meeting po na ito [2:12:43] eh parang [2:12:44] ito po isang [2:12:45] prea [2:12:45] kanila po [2:12:46] ang press release [2:12:47] isa pong optics [2:12:48] para sabihin po [2:12:50] na dumalo sila rito [2:12:51] pero sa totoo po [2:12:53] ilang beses po [2:12:54] nating inimbitahan [2:12:55] ayaw po nilang [2:12:56] bumaba po rito [2:12:58] sa ating tanggapan [2:12:59] and yet [2:13:00] ang gusto lamang po nila [2:13:01] ay magpress con [2:13:01] na magpress con po [2:13:03] sa taas [2:13:04] to our resource persons [2:13:05] please submit [2:13:06] the relevant documents [2:13:07] and status updates [2:13:08] to this committee [2:13:10] at the appropriate time [2:13:12] we shall determine [2:13:12] further measures [2:13:13] to ensure accountability [2:13:15] we sympathize [2:13:18] with the victims [2:13:19] of the earthquake [2:13:19] in Mindanao [2:13:20] kaya po dalawang bagay [2:13:21] tatapusin na po [2:13:22] muna natin [2:13:23] we suspend this meeting [2:13:24] bilang paggalang po [2:13:27] sa mga [2:13:28] biktima po [2:13:30] ng maltinding [2:13:31] Lindol [2:13:32] ngayon [2:13:33] dyan po sa [2:13:33] Mindanao [2:13:35] at [2:13:35] nakausap ko po [2:13:37] ang ating [2:13:37] acting senate president [2:13:39] na [2:13:40] anytime po [2:13:41] ay pupunta po [2:13:43] ang mga [2:13:44] miyembro ng majority block [2:13:45] para marinig [2:13:46] at makita po [2:13:47] ang pangangailangan [2:13:48] ng mga biktima po [2:13:49] ng [2:13:50] ikang [2:13:51] Lindol [2:13:52] at the same time [2:13:53] since ayan naman po [2:13:54] bumaba [2:13:55] ng labing [2:13:56] walong [2:13:57] bodyguards [2:13:57] kasama si [2:13:58] attorney baligod [2:13:59] so [2:13:59] we hereby [2:14:00] yes go ahead [2:14:01] just very quickly [2:14:02] mr. president [2:14:02] at sam [2:14:03] iimbitayin po natin ulit [2:14:04] itong labing walon na ito [2:14:06] sa susunod na [2:14:08] pagpupulong [2:14:09] at [2:14:10] sa darating namang araw [2:14:12] at the proper time [2:14:14] kung [2:14:14] if they continue to refuse [2:14:16] we can [2:14:17] at the right time [2:14:18] compel them to attend [2:14:19] subpoena them [2:14:20] and [2:14:21] if they refuse [2:14:21] we can [2:14:22] have them [2:14:23] cited in contempt [2:14:25] and may be arrested [2:14:26] when [2:14:27] the blue ribbon committee [2:14:28] has been fully constituted [2:14:30] for the record [2:14:31] mr. president [2:14:31] definitely [2:14:32] vice chair [2:14:33] kasi nga [2:14:33] nagpupunta sila [2:14:35] sa ating usina [2:14:36] para nang ma-insulto [2:14:37] pupunta po [2:14:38] sa tanggapan [2:14:38] ng isa sa kasama natin [2:14:39] at doon po [2:14:40] magka press conference [2:14:41] ayaw pong maten [2:14:42] ng meeting [2:14:43] ay pinapakita po [2:14:44] ang optics nila [2:14:45] pupunta po sila dito [2:14:46] matapang silang pumunta [2:14:47] pero ayaw po nilang [2:14:48] bumaba [2:14:49] dito sa meeting [2:14:50] na ito [2:14:50] before we suspend [2:14:55] this meeting [2:14:56] I would like to [2:14:57] personally thank [2:14:58] ang buong [2:14:59] majority block [2:15:00] sa staff po [2:15:02] ng blue ribbon committee [2:15:04] sa USA [2:15:04] sa PRIB [2:15:05] at sa lahat po [2:15:06] ng senate staff [2:15:07] na [2:15:08] faithfully [2:15:09] fulfilling their duties [2:15:11] and for showing up [2:15:12] today [2:15:12] despite the fact [2:15:13] na meron pong [2:15:14] threats sa kanila [2:15:15] na ididimanda [2:15:16] sisibakin po [2:15:17] ng minority block [2:15:18] sabi ko naman po [2:15:20] basi po sa ating pong [2:15:22] acting senate [2:15:23] presidencia po [2:15:24] ang bahala [2:15:24] you are protected [2:15:25] dahil may bago na po [2:15:26] tayong [2:15:27] meron po tayong [2:15:28] acting senate [2:15:29] president [2:15:30] so with this [2:15:31] this meeting [2:15:32] is now suspended [2:15:32] until further notice [2:15:34] alright [2:15:37] the senate blue ribbon [2:15:38] committee [2:15:39] conducting a hearing [2:15:41] an organizational [2:15:41] meeting in fact [2:15:43] on the flood [2:15:44] control probe [2:15:45] what happened so far [2:15:47] attorney Melvin Matibag [2:15:48] presented [2:15:49] inconsistencies [2:15:50] in the testimonies [2:15:51] of the 18 [2:15:52] witnesses that [2:15:53] appeared [2:15:54] during last [2:15:55] Friday's hearing [2:15:56] now he [2:15:56] questioned against [2:15:57] using the term [2:15:58] 18 marines [2:15:59] the title [2:15:59] intended only [2:16:00] to add [2:16:01] credibility [2:16:01] and a [2:16:02] semblance [2:16:02] of integrity [2:16:03] well in fact [2:16:04] many of them [2:16:04] have been [2:16:05] dishonorably [2:16:06] discharged [2:16:07] as the NBI [2:16:08] claims [2:16:09] now based on [2:16:10] the assessments [2:16:10] and investigation [2:16:11] of the NBI [2:16:12] the 18 witnesses [2:16:13] failed to prove [2:16:14] the allegations [2:16:15] based on evidence [2:16:16] that they presented [2:16:18] last Friday [2:16:19] Matibag also [2:16:20] revealing witness [2:16:21] testimonies [2:16:22] about the [2:16:22] 18 bodyguards [2:16:24] including a [2:16:24] promised payout [2:16:25] of 5 million [2:16:26] pesos for each [2:16:27] of the 18 [2:16:27] in exchange [2:16:28] for these [2:16:29] testimonies [2:16:30] now the NBI [2:16:31] also wants [2:16:31] to invite [2:16:32] former [2:16:32] congressman [2:16:33] Mike Defensor [2:16:33] to shed [2:16:34] light on [2:16:35] these matters [2:16:36] attorney Matibag [2:16:37] said most [2:16:38] of the allegations [2:16:39] were found [2:16:39] to be hearsay [2:16:40] being a [2:16:41] coordinated [2:16:42] narrative [2:16:43] overall [2:16:44] these testimonies [2:16:44] do not have [2:16:45] enough basis [2:16:46] to find [2:16:47] probable [2:16:47] cause [2:16:47] now a [2:16:48] full report [2:16:49] will be [2:16:50] submitted by [2:16:51] the National [2:16:51] Bureau of [2:16:52] Investigation [2:16:52] to the [2:16:53] Blue Ribbon [2:16:54] Committee [2:16:54] now while [2:16:55] that meeting [2:16:55] was happening [2:16:56] the 18 [2:16:57] bodyguards [2:16:57] together with [2:16:58] their legal [2:16:59] counsel [2:16:59] attorney Levito [2:17:00] Baligod [2:17:01] arrived and [2:17:02] spoke to [2:17:03] media [2:17:03] at a press [2:17:04] conference [2:17:05] with senator [2:17:05] Robin Padilla [2:17:06] now the [2:17:07] comsec [2:17:08] was directed [2:17:09] three times [2:17:10] to proceed [2:17:11] to the office [2:17:11] of senator [2:17:12] Padilla [2:17:12] to invite [2:17:13] the 18 [2:17:14] bodyguards [2:17:14] to appear [2:17:15] in the [2:17:15] meeting [2:17:15] this invitation [2:17:17] was however [2:17:17] denied by [2:17:19] the group [2:17:19] with attorney [2:17:20] Levito [2:17:20] Baligod [2:17:21] saying they [2:17:21] refused to [2:17:22] appear in [2:17:23] the meeting [2:17:24] citing legality [2:17:25] issues with [2:17:26] senator [2:17:26] Tulfo [2:17:27] presiding as [2:17:28] Blue Ribbon [2:17:28] Committee [2:17:29] chair [2:17:29] now the [2:17:30] other witnesses [2:17:31] this morning [2:17:32] gave their [2:17:32] own reports [2:17:33] on the [2:17:33] progress of [2:17:34] the probe [2:17:35] into the [2:17:35] flood control [2:17:36] mess [2:17:36] the justice [2:17:37] department [2:17:38] saying cases [2:17:39] have been [2:17:39] filed against [2:17:40] several [2:17:40] individuals [2:17:41] involved in [2:17:42] the scandal [2:17:43] a total of [2:17:44] 841 million [2:17:45] pesos have [2:17:46] also been [2:17:47] recovered by [2:17:48] the government [2:17:48] since the [2:17:49] investigation [2:17:50] into the [2:17:51] scandal [2:17:51] began [2:17:52] now this [2:17:52] while [2:17:53] Ombudsman [2:17:53] the office [2:17:54] of the [2:17:54] Ombudsman [2:17:55] filed a [2:17:55] total of [2:17:56] one case [2:17:56] in 2025 [2:17:57] and three [2:17:58] cases [2:17:59] this year [2:18:00] against those [2:18:00] involved [2:18:01] in the [2:18:02] scandal [2:18:02] now [2:18:03] senator [2:18:04] Erwin [2:18:04] Tulfo [2:18:04] chairman [2:18:05] of the [2:18:06] Blue Ribbon [2:18:06] Committee [2:18:06] opening [2:18:07] today's [2:18:07] consultative [2:18:08] meeting [2:18:09] calling it [2:18:09] last [2:18:09] Friday's [2:18:10] Blue Ribbon [2:18:11] gathering [2:18:11] with [2:18:12] senator [2:18:12] Alan [2:18:13] Peter [2:18:13] Cayetano [2:18:14] and [2:18:14] Rodante [2:18:15] Marcoleta [2:18:15] as [2:18:16] illegal [2:18:17] unlawful [2:18:18] and [2:18:18] unconstitutional [2:18:19] another [2:18:20] invitation [2:18:21] will be [2:18:21] extended [2:18:21] to the [2:18:22] 18 [2:18:22] bodyguards [2:18:23] once the [2:18:23] Senate [2:18:23] Blue Ribbon [2:18:24] Committee [2:18:24] is fully [2:18:26] constituted [2:18:27] meantime [2:18:28] today's [2:18:28] hearing [2:18:29] just [2:18:30] served [2:18:30] as [2:18:31] the [2:18:31] initial [2:18:32] official [2:18:32] reset [2:18:33] with [2:18:34] Tulfo [2:18:35] senator [2:18:36] Tulfo [2:18:36] already [2:18:37] targeting [2:18:37] second [2:18:38] or even [2:18:38] a third [2:18:39] round [2:18:39] of [2:18:39] hearings [2:18:40] later [2:18:40] or within [2:18:41] the [2:18:41] month [2:18:41] to [2:18:42] summon [2:18:42] additional [2:18:43] high [2:18:43] profile [2:18:43] officials [2:18:44] including [2:18:44] former [2:18:45] budget [2:18:46] secretary [2:18:46] Amena [2:18:47] Pangandaban [2:18:47] meantime [2:18:48] former [2:18:48] house [2:18:49] speaker [2:18:49] Martin [2:18:49] Romualdez [2:18:50] as well [2:18:51] as a few [2:18:51] congressmen [2:18:52] and congresswomen [2:18:53] also failed [2:18:54] to attend [2:18:55] today's [2:18:56] conference [2:18:57] which [2:18:58] saw [2:18:58] Senators [2:18:59] Sherwin [2:18:59] Gachelian [2:19:00] the acting [2:19:00] house [2:19:01] speaker [2:19:01] Senators [2:19:02] Kiko [2:19:03] Pangilinan [2:19:03] Rafi [2:19:03] Tulfo [2:19:04] Risa [2:19:05] Ontiveros [2:19:05] JVR [2:19:06] Bam Aquino [2:19:07] showing up [2:19:08] at this [2:19:09] conference [2:19:10] We'll try [2:19:11] to give you [2:19:11] more updates [2:19:12] more developments [2:19:13] on these [2:19:14] stories [2:19:14] in our [2:19:15] succeeding [2:19:15] newscasts [2:19:16] here on [2:19:16] ANC [2:19:16] Thanks for [2:19:17] joining us [2:19:17] Our young [2:19:30] democracy [2:19:31] In ANC [2:19:32] we were [2:19:32] witnesses [2:19:33] to the [2:19:33] defining [2:19:34] moments [2:19:34] of [2:19:35] Philippine [2:19:35] history [2:19:36] that [2:19:37] influenced [2:19:37] the world [2:19:38] It's the [2:19:54] Philippines [2:19:54] And we [2:19:55] are ANC