Lindsay Clancy's Ex-Husband Denies Ever Logging Into Her Facebook Account

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Mr. Clancy you were shown an email and it's been marked as an exhibit that you sent to co-workers on January 24th 2023 at 5:24 p.m. correct yeah and you were asked about it coming from the surface pro but your testimony was that it could have come from your iPhone correct correct and in fact you watched footage earlier of yourself going into the CVS in Kingston at 5:32 p.m. correct correct and you had your phone with you correct because you used it and we also saw you on the 3V footage using your phone as well correct right so this you were clearly out of the house at 5:24 p.m. correct sorry what time did you say I was at CVS so you walked in at 5:32 p.m. correct correct and you left the house as you were leaving the house Lindsay sent you [00:00:53] Speaker 2: the text about PDLX correct I don't know if I had left the house yet but yeah [00:01:00] Speaker 1: but that was sent at 5:15 p.m. correct right and how far away is the King to Kingston CVS three minutes okay and so you leave the house you get into your car and you drive to CVS correct correct and so that should have taken three minutes correct yep so after the text that was sent at 5:15 p.m. that would have been sometime around 5:18 or 5:20 p.m. that you should have arrived at CVS correct right but you don't go in until 5:32 p.m. correct I don't know I don't know what time I pulled in the parking lot I'm asking what time you pulled into the parking lot but it is is it fair to say that the video that you were shown earlier shows you entering the store at 5:32 p.m. yes so from the time you should have been at the parking lot of CVS around 5:20 p.m. until 5:32 p.m. could you have been in your car sending this email on your iPhone yeah I just don't know if I pulled into the parking lot at 5:20 but sometime after the text was sent from Lindsay about PDLX but before 5:32 p.m. you were in your car correct okay now you were asked about my questions to you about going to Boston and my questions you were about December 3rd not December 2nd correct correct because your anniversary is December 3rd not December 2nd correct right so Dawson was taken to the doctors on December 2nd correct correct and on December 3rd did you have plans not that they were followed through but did you have plans to go to Boston that day yeah so I can [00:02:44] Speaker 2: provide some clarification on that sure so yeah on Monday I was a little bit confused by it because we were home but yeah I think there was a plan prior to that like an anniversary plan to go to Boston but it was cancelled okay and the [00:03:02] Speaker 1: picture you showed was from September so the the plans that you had to go to Boston I'm showing you here some text messages between yourself and Lindsay and here there's one here that says the spa the Omni is booked but you're on the wait list as a backup I have you booked for massage at the nearby IHG for 90 minutes at 145 is that correct yeah and then you later say we can get lunch and then head over she responds okay and then you write that they'll let you use the gym and the pool while she's getting her massage is that correct right yeah we canceled them yeah so it's not as if I made that up out of thin air that's here in the text messages correct right yeah it was it [00:04:09] Speaker 2: was just confusing because we were home but but yeah when I left I recollected that and then I found the picture and the picture was from September and was that from the wedding you went to yeah [00:04:21] Speaker 1: if we could have the text messages mark this in a specific any objection that may be admitted now on cross-examination you you said that Lindsay always took the medications exactly as instructed but indirect you said you you weren't always with her every time she took the pills is that correct that's correct but the understanding was that she took it as directed because she told you she did yeah and because you trusted her to do so yeah okay but you can't sit here and say definitively that she took every pill exactly as instructed every single time because you didn't [00:05:03] Speaker 2: watch her every time correct I was not standing next to her every time she took [00:05:06] Speaker 1: pills and you were asked about the Facebook search in August August 23rd 2022 and you were you were asked about being on the surface pro and looking up the country singer who had killed himself is that right right okay so I think that what you what you said when you were asked by by defense counsel about whether or not you accidentally went to this site on methods of suicide you said that could be likely [00:05:46] Speaker 2: that might have happened you're not sure correct it's yeah it's so subtle that I don't remember specifically but I do remember listening to Tom T all how often did you [00:05:57] Speaker 1: listen to him it was like for a week okay and so were you aware that on an 823 August 23rd 2022 at 9:40 a.m. someone signed into Lindsay's Facebook account on the surface pro I know and then at 9:43 p.m. is when the Tom Hall site was accessed do you recall that and at 9:45 a.m. is when a person not just hit a link by a accident but actually had to click on a link to go to suicide methods are you aware of that no okay is there any reason why you would have been going in and logging on to Lindsay's Facebook account while going on Wikipedia and looking at suicide methods all in that same 5 minutes I didn't use I didn't log into lindsay's Facebook ever it's very possible that I [00:06:54] Speaker 2: looked at Tom Hall's Wikipedia page but at some point yeah do you remember spending 3 minutes on the methods of suicide site [00:07:02] Speaker 1: scrolling through and reading the methods of suicide site for 3 minutes no I don't remember something I did for 3 minutes almost 4 years ago do you remember being on that site the methods of suicide and clicking on a link to a bridge in Australia that people use to commit suicide no no so in this five minutes or so where someone's using the surface pro using Lindsay's facebook while doing that and then clicking on these links you don't remember you think it might have been you I have no idea now you talked about Lindsay's stay at mclean hospital um you said that um that it was a locked ward she had to stay there is that correct correct but it was a voluntary commitment wasn't it uh [00:07:40] Speaker 2: uh [00:07:42] Speaker ?: you said that um [00:07:45] Speaker 1: that it was a locked ward she had to stay there is that correct correct but it was a voluntary commitment wasn't it uh uh yeah you didn't file any um legal paperwork to have her committed correct [00:08:06] Speaker 2: correct [00:08:07] Speaker 1: there was no court order making her stay there correct correct so she wanted to leave and express to the doctors that she wanted to leave and they didn't believe she was a danger to herself or others she could leave correct uh [00:08:19] Speaker 2: to be honest i don't know okay [00:08:22] Speaker 1: now um you stated on direct examination that you visited her two times um during the time that she was there at mclean right at least twice yeah and you said those were in the evening hours is that correct [00:08:35] Speaker 2: yeah afternoon and evening [00:08:37] Speaker 1: afternoon and evening so you weren't there during um the morning and early afternoon hours when they were offering these group therapies and when she was meeting with other practitioners [00:08:47] Speaker 2: i wasn't there in the morning okay [00:08:50] Speaker 1: and were you there during the um when the staff was checking on her every 15 minutes [00:08:55] Speaker 2: uh no but she did tell me about that okay [00:08:58] Speaker 1: and were you aware that she was evaluated several times and at first she had to stay on the unit but then eventually based on what she was telling them she was allowed to to go on the grounds with staff [00:09:08] Speaker 2: uh i was aware that she went on at least i think at least one walk [00:09:12] Speaker 1: and so people were seeing her and interacting with her in in changing um the way um her stay went at mclean hospital throughout her stay [00:09:23] Speaker 2: yeah [00:09:24] Speaker 1: and you talked about dr goodhart recommending medications um what was the medication that you you said that she um recommended [00:09:34] Speaker 2: i thought it was cymbalta um but i think she ended up taking amitriptyline [00:09:47] Speaker 1: looking here at the um cvs records that you provided [00:10:02] Speaker 3: so we can see i'm sorry so we see here um here we go [00:10:14] Speaker 1: i'll leave the car second from the bottom yep chazadone 50 milligrams so you thought that dr goodhart had just recommended medication when it was actually a prescription that was given by dr goodhart correct [00:10:31] Speaker 2: right but i believe so there's another one as well lorazepam yes i believe those were prescribed while she was staying there [00:10:38] Speaker 1: and so they were filled at cvs and sent to mclean [00:10:44] Speaker 2: uh possibly i i remember there was an issue where she didn't have her medications when she went to mclean so she needed them to be brought there [00:10:54] Speaker 1: she was discharged on january 5th correct right um are you aware that this document from cvs says that the uh prescription for trazodone 50 milligrams prescribed by dr alia goodhart was filled on january 5th 2023 [00:11:08] Speaker 2: right [00:11:09] Speaker 1: okay and then the other prescription by dr goodhart the lorazepam was also one milligram lorazepam was also filled on january 5th 2023 correct yeah so that's when she was discharged not while she was staying there correct right that's correct so dr goodhart did that prescribed medication uh for lindsay trazodone and ativan and not cymbalta correct [00:11:37] Speaker 2: she recommended cymbalta but she didn't actually she wasn't the one who prescribed that [00:11:41] Speaker 1: and in fact no one prescribed that correct [00:11:44] Speaker 2: because it ended up switching to amitriptyline [00:11:47] Speaker 1: and the amitriptyline was prescribed by dr jennifer tuss correct right [00:11:53] Speaker 3: and [00:11:56] Speaker 1: and that and that and dr uh tufts prescribed five milligrams of diazepam on january 9th 2023 correct [00:12:17] Speaker 2: right [00:12:18] Speaker 1: and amitriptyline on january 16th it was 10 milligrams of amitriptyline and that was prescribed when um lindsay said she was um having some issues um with depression correct correct correct okay so so she went to mclean hospital and she was weaned off the serequil correct [00:12:40] Speaker 2: i believe so yeah [00:12:41] Speaker 1: and all the medications that she had taken prior to going to mclean she was no longer on those were gone correct [00:12:47] Speaker 2: correct once she'd been in mclean um i don't know if it was i'm not sure i'm not i don't know if it was all of them [00:12:53] Speaker 1: well are you are you did you have conversations with your wife about what she was taking maybe were you aware that she was only on track only prescribed trazodone and ativan when she left mclean and then amitriptyline was only added on the 16th so just those three medications [00:13:12] Speaker 2: yeah but i i think i thought she was taking trazodone before mclean [00:13:16] Speaker 1: right so she had been prescribed it before and stopped taking it correct [00:13:20] Speaker 2: i don't remember i'd have to look back on records [00:13:23] Speaker 1: so you're not sure about what she was taking and when are you [00:13:27] Speaker 2: not the exact dates but i remember she was taking trazodone and uh i thought she was taking it before mclean [00:13:34] Speaker 1: so the best resource of um what she was prescribed and when would most likely be the doctors and the cvs records then correct the cvs records is a good resource [00:13:44] Speaker ?: okay [00:13:44] Speaker 1: and um you talked about the pills and how these were pills that she was no longer on um so it wasn't really a good representation of what she had taken correct correct but she was only prescribed zoloft once right at the very beginning right and she only took seven of those pills correct right so it wasn't as if she um was prescribed a higher dose or a different dose of zoloft and was still taking that and so that seven pills misrepresents the zola she took right i believe she switched because uh or she stopped because she was switched to prozac okay and then even going forward the prozac there weren't many pills taken out of that either correct yeah eventually she stopped that as well okay so she'd take a few pills she'd have some side effects they'd switch the medication correct yes and so they were trying to figure out what would work for her correct yeah okay and then she ends up at mclean because she she's having difficulties according to her with the ceroquel correct that was part of it yeah and they weaned her off of that right yep and then after mclean she's only on the trazodone the ativan and then on the 16th adding in the amitriptyline correct [00:15:08] Speaker 2: right [00:15:10] Speaker 1: you mentioned um that you went to new york in november of 2022 defense counsel said that was a month before the the children were killed but that's actually two months before they were killed correct [00:15:23] Speaker 2: it was um yeah it was about a little more than two months and she hadn't been on the ceroquel yet right uh i i don't know exactly when she started the ceroquel [00:15:35] Speaker 1: would december sound right [00:15:37] Speaker 2: yeah or end of november yeah [00:15:40] Speaker 1: and so when you took your trip to new york she was having some issues but she was doing okay wasn't she [00:15:47] Speaker 2: she was doing much better than she was in december [00:15:51] Speaker 1: and you all did you also take another trip with cora in november [00:15:56] Speaker 2: yeah so i did the trip to new york and as soon as i got back um went to bed and then the next morning left with cora [00:16:03] Speaker 1: and was that november 4th through the 7th to san francisco [00:16:06] Speaker ?: yeah [00:16:07] Speaker 1: and where um who was taking care of dawson and calen while you were in san francisco with cora [00:16:13] Speaker ?: lindsey [00:16:14] Speaker 1: and so during your trip to new york and then immediately after your trip um to san francisco with cora were there any issues um or any problems or did anything happen while lindsey was caring for those kids [00:16:27] Speaker 2: uh nothing bad happened she was um i would say her anxiety and depression was starting to tick up but [00:16:33] Speaker 1: uh yeah obviously nothing bad happened okay and it's your testimony that things started to get worse in december is that correct correct but it was also your testimony that after the stay at mclean things got better wasn't it and she steadily progressed throughout january getting better right definitely yeah and on january 24th 2023 you testified that that was one of her best days yeah you were asked about the apple watch um the police didn't collect the apple watch right they did collect her phone correct you identified it earlier right yeah um and her apple watch was linked to her phone was it not it probably was yeah um you also asked about the drop from um the second floor window um were you aware that the measurement from the window sill to the ground was actually 12 feet [00:17:36] Speaker 2: uh i've never measured it but yeah i believe what you're saying [00:17:40] Speaker 1: so um and and [00:17:51] Speaker 3: looking for um one of the exhibits from defense counsel um it's the um um [00:18:00] Speaker ?: yes [00:18:05] Speaker 1: exhibit 84 um this was the um [00:18:10] Speaker ?: um [00:18:10] Speaker 1: the packet here that defense counsel was going through with you um where um you said this is lindsay writing kellen's schedule is that right [00:18:19] Speaker ?: right [00:18:20] Speaker 1: but this was also lindsay sending notes back and forth between herself and elaine is that correct [00:18:26] Speaker ?: um possibly [00:18:29] Speaker 1: there's different writing here correct [00:18:32] Speaker ?: if you want to look at it yeah [00:18:35] Speaker 1: for example this this first page after the cover we have writing here that you said was lindsay's correct [00:18:43] Speaker 2: it looks like it yeah [00:18:45] Speaker 1: and then down here there's a note that's in different handwriting correct [00:18:49] Speaker ?: yeah i would say so [00:18:51] Speaker 1: okay so were you aware that lindsay was using this notebook to communicate back and forth with the nanny about talents care [00:18:58] Speaker 2: um she she had different notebooks she always had a notebook that she would uh leave for the babysitter [00:19:04] Speaker ?: or for me [00:19:05] Speaker 1: and so for example on tuesday september 4th um she wrote last fed at 6am give him a bottle whenever he wakes up he likes it very warm he's been resisting the bottle if he won't drink it after 45 minutes of trying please text me to let me know put down for next nap one hour after he wakes try to put down drowsy but awake but if he cries pick him up and rock bounce or hold him until sleep then put down he usually sleeps 45 minutes but let him sleep as long as he wants very detailed notes that lindsay is sending to the nanny correct [00:19:40] Speaker ?: yeah [00:19:41] Speaker 1: and then she also wrote if you have time wash and cut up veggies sweet potatoes one inch cubes peeled broccoli small pieces peppers one inch pieces plastic ziplock bags to put them in next bottle two and a half hours after the first bottle [00:19:55] Speaker ?: correct [00:19:56] Speaker 2: i believe what you're reading [00:19:58] Speaker 1: so very particular about what she wanted the nanny to do how she wanted her to do it [00:20:03] Speaker ?: and what [00:20:04] Speaker 1: when to feed Carolyn when to put him down for a nap all of those things very particular correct [00:20:10] Speaker 2: sounds like it yeah [00:20:26] Speaker 1: again thursday september 29th 2022 cal and less fed at 8:45 please put him down for a nap at 9:35 we will be home from gymnastics at 11:45 clean clothes and dry if you get to it so again very specific times for for putting him down and when to get up and asking her to do additional work like laundry [00:20:48] Speaker ?: and things like that correct yeah again october 6th ate at 8:15 [00:20:58] Speaker 1: fell asleep at 8:40 [00:21:00] Speaker ?: changing tables now in the bathroom [00:21:01] Speaker 1: if he wakes before 9:40 give him 15 minutes to settle himself back to sleep I'm hoping he will sleep till 10:15 if he is still asleep at 10:40 [00:21:10] Speaker ?: wake him [00:21:11] Speaker 1: feeding at 11:00 a.m. [00:21:13] Speaker ?: first try bottle [00:21:14] Speaker 1: if he doesn't take it after 15 minutes make oatmeal 2 tablespoons of oatmeal [00:21:18] Speaker ?: make thin with breast milk can heat for 5 to 10 seconds [00:21:20] Speaker 1: again very specific directions on what she wants done and how she wants callum cared for correct? [00:21:26] Speaker ?: yeah [00:21:27] Speaker 1: and throughout this notebook it's more of the same correct? or have you even seen that? [00:21:32] Speaker ?: i haven't seen it [00:21:32] Speaker 2: yeah [00:21:40] Speaker ?: yeah