Leading in the Age of AI: A Conversation with NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang — Global Conference 2026

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: good afternoon good evening um i am thrilled to be here with all of you but i am especially thrilled to be here with jensen wong if there's anybody i want to talk to these days it's this man because he knows how to look around corners when it comes to ai nvidia isn't a quiet period right now but what we want to hear from him i think is bigger picture so let's start jensen just by taking a few steps back again everybody wants to know what's coming with ai this is the fastest technological revolution we have ever seen things happen not on in years not in decades but probably you know weekly and monthly at this point things are changing pretty drastically your wayne gretzky tell us where the puck is going well first of all let me tell you where the puck [00:00:51] Jensen Wong: came from okay and in just the last couple of years what happened um i feel like i'm sitting on something that's causing all of this to happen is it me it might be me hold on better and so so what happened was two years ago chat gpt came out and what made chat gpt revolutionary was the ability to generate generative ai you give it a prompt it can write you a story you give it a prompt it can make you a picture you can give it a prompt generate a video for you you give it a video it could generate a story you can give it an image you can write so on so forth you give an image in 2d because and that generates an image in 3d and so generative ai the ability to generate has two profound capabilities one in order to think you have to generate tokens in your mind inside what do you mean tokens tokens oh you have to generate thoughts and so the fact that our ability to think and reason requires us to generate thoughts so the moment we got ai to generate we realized you can now think you can now reason the second thing is in order to use external tools you have to generate commands and so when you use the browser you have to generate words control something else those two ideas the moment that happened the entire industry raced off to go figure out how to use generative ai to enable reasoning which came out last year and then now agentic ai which is the ability for ai to understand reason plan use tools to do something useful so in the last several months what happened is the industry realized took the cloud code anthropics cloud code came out and it was the first agenting agentic system that was able to do really productive work like software coding and software coding is a a good first place to go but remember what coding is coding is the codification of something you want to automate and how many companies in the world how many people in the world don't want to codify into a program something you want to automate over and over and over again so it turns out coding is important for software engineers but coding is super important for all companies and this all happened in the last several months and so ai in the last several months became useful that's the big idea the second big idea is that in order for an ai to go through understanding reasoning planning using tools to take action the amount of computation necessary compared to generative ai is like a thousand times more yeah in two years time just just think in two years time the number of cars you need in the world grew by a thousand times in two years time the number of airplanes you need in the world grew by two thousand times whatever it is that you want to use as a as a metric the thousand times difference is incredible but then you multiply that by the number of people who now want to use it by a hundred times which is the reason why you know gpu consumption is going through the roof and over you know even gpus we sold four or five years ago now are rising in price faster than you know good [00:04:26] Speaker 1: wine and so it it has defied what everybody buying nvidia gpu is like investing in art it has defied what everybody said was going to happen um if it's a thousand times over the last year the demand for compute where do you see it next year and how far out do you try and figure these things [00:04:48] Jensen Wong: well you know the the way to reason about this is you come back and you ask yourself um one what is the usefulness of automation of intelligence and who could benefit from it and how would you benefit from it that's number one number two why what kind of infrastructure is necessary to produce intelligence and this is one of the big ideas in computer science and this is something i reasoned about you know right now i'm talking to you guys i'm reasoning step by step and and 15 years ago i reasoned about what was going to happen with deep learning which led nvidia to invest in all that stuff and here we are and so so what's happening is the difference between the way computers are going to work in the future and the way computers work for you right now you just have to pick up your phone and you just when you when you click on the news remember that news article or that video of becky was pre-recorded she she you recorded in advance you stored it in the cloud somewhere and then when i click it i retrieve it now in the future you're going to still do a lot of that however most of the time that you're interacting with your computers you're going to be giving the computer your intention are you asking a question you would you like to do something are you thinking about something you'd like somebody to debate with you you know is there a big planning thing that you want to do for a vacation or or a wedding or whatever it is and then you just tell the computer what you want like you talk to a person and it understands your intention reasons about how to solve it comes up with a plan uses whatever tools it needs to use goes to all these different web browsers and use whatever excel and you know maybe even use photoshop and creates wonderful things for you generates a bunch of images and then comes back with a brochure yeah right and so you got to ask yourself therefore if that's the way you use if the what the first way you use computers retrieval based and now everything is generative and it's contextually relevant meaning you can't pre-record every anything that i just said and so therefore the number of computers in the world is going to grow incredibly and this is the reason why i say ai is not just an application ai actually reinvented the computer industry ai invented a whole new industry and for many many of you in the audience you're you're working with us at the energy level of course at the chip level at the infrastructure level land power and shell cloud services neocloud so on so forth then it's the the model layer most most of the time we're talking about model models but the fact of the matter is without this underlying part there is no models that's useful and then most importantly is the application layer the application layer in healthcare in well transportation retail you know you name financial services all these different industries are not going to get revolutionized by artificial intelligence and so when you break it up from that perspective and just kind of reason about it it is very certain now that like the internet which is everywhere you're going to have computers computing like nvidia's gpus literally everywhere so that every time you use the computer it can generate [00:08:05] Speaker 1: the proper response to you when you say you know we're going to have all these computers i think locusts just how much demand there's going to be and how do we possibly keep up with that demand and you you just mentioned this stacking it's the five layer cake that you've talked about for a while where are the weaknesses where are the limiting factors with meeting that demand [00:08:31] Jensen Wong: it changes all the time and two years ago we had enough energy but we were really short on chips and it depends on what part of the chips we're talking about most people think that nvidia is a gpu company because we invented the gpu but if you look at the systems we're creating today there are seven different types of chips the computer that i'm talking about is probably twice the width of this stage when we say vera rubin it's you know twice the width of this stage each one of the racks is about four or five million dollars three tons one and a half million parts inside one of these racks and and inside a data center is a football field of these racks and so these these systems have silicon photonics inside it's got the most advanced memories three three-dimensional packaging look and cooling extremely you know extremely sensitive uh electronics all over and so it's really complicated stuff we we work with just about every chip company in the world every systems maker in the world we have the largest supply chain in the world and so there's there's a bottleneck somewhere and so it takes a lot of work just to work through all that and then and then of course um you know these days one of the biggest challenges and this is the part that people don't realize about ai the first thing that ai is doing right now is creating an enormous number of jobs it is ai creates jobs ai is united states's best opportunity to re-industrialize ourselves because it takes three types of plants chip plants computer plants ai factories that we're in and so three types of manufacturing plants probably several trillion dollars of re-industrialization we can do as a result of this nothing is more powerful than using market forces to drive re-industrialization like for example back in in the last administration there was this thing called chips act and everybody was reluctant to build the united states when president trump came into office we talked and i said hey listen tell you what i'm going to give half a trillion dollars of orders i'm going to give half a trillion dollars of orders to these suppliers and i bet you they come to united states boom they all came to united states to build it here and so using market forces to re-industrialize the united states it created hundreds of thousands of jobs for the next four five years and then and then lastly um ai is the world's best opportunity to modernize the power grid our the united states power grid is is if anybody's in the audience related to this is a little antiquated and and and you know that and so we have an opportunity now for the first time to use market forces to invest in sustainable energy if you want to invest in nuclear if you want to look whatever whatever version of sustainable energy you choose you now have you know plenty of customers who want to pay for it is nvidia going to be [00:11:38] Speaker 1: investing in energy because you all have been making sure you're investing in whatever layer whatever bottlenecks you find along the way you recently said that this investment that you're making now in open ai will probably be the last one because open ai anthropic they're going to go public they're not going to need you kind of propping them up they'll have their own money other places but what you've done is find where the bottlenecks are and try and invest nvidia money there is energy a place you would do that or is that such a big investment hole that it's got to come from other [00:12:10] Jensen Wong: places uh if there were good ideas and we could make a unique contribution i'd be more than happy to and and um but most most of the people who are investing in energy their their their their cycle times are you know their time horizons fairly long especially the ones that we're really interested in and um where we need to invest with respect to energy is probably closer to closer to home here in the united states and probably closer in on the horizon to make sure that the land power and shell are sufficiently funded and maybe we maybe we backstop some of that just so that they can get the financing going and get power you know inserted and um but that that's where we're focused but you're right we invest in the entire five layer cake and and we're looking at strategic points in there that if we invested one dollar it activates ai maybe by a hundred dollars and so if we can make that kind of an amplification for the entire ecosystem it would be tremendous so where are you focusing right now in [00:13:14] Speaker 1: that five-layer cake if if the time to focus on the large language models may be nearing an end where do you see the biggest chokeholds and the places that you know that's a great great really [00:13:24] Jensen Wong: great great great great question so um you you noticed that we invested in the infrastructure layer and at first people were a little uh you know wondered why we invested in companies like core [00:13:37] Speaker 1: weave and nebia they said it was circular deals why are you doing this it doesn't make any sense that's [00:13:41] Jensen Wong: right and we invested say a dollar they still had to go and go raise another nine and so so we invest some amount and our anchor investment gave all of the investors confidence that we're behind this company well all of that everybody who invested along with me on core weave clearly extremely happy everybody who invested along with me on nebius incredibly happy anybody who invested along with me on nscale incredibly happy and so and the reason for that is because we could see the demand and we see the pipeline of opportunities that's coming their way so in a lot of ways you know we're highly informed [00:14:20] Speaker 1: investor that's why i want to know where you're investing next like i said you know and so see [00:14:29] Jensen Wong: see becky is so alert i when she asked me a question i'm not sure i want to answer i tell you some history and then she wants to see here the future well here it comes no i'm just kidding and so and so that was my that was the first thing the second thing and and i'm going to tell you about something that's really big and so so of course we invest in an open ai we invest in an anthropic and um but the big thing that's happening in the last three to six months is that both of these companies and most of the ai native companies have turned their gross margins have gone extremely positive right so they've turned the corner that's right now when you're when you're making something and your gross margins are highly highly profitable your goal is to make more of it which is the reason why both open ai and anthropic are just racing for capacity because their their tokens these numbers these intelligence that they produce the margins are excellent and so they're excellent cursors is excellent you look across the entire you know ai natives um ecosystem everybody and the reason for that is because finally ai has become useful that's the big idea and so so i i i'm hoping that that um the ai ecosystem is now on their own every level of the cake yeah yeah maybe we'll see you know if i see some [00:15:58] Speaker 1: good investments i'm gonna not tell any of you first okay let's get to this idea of ai is amazing it does a lot of great things it's going to do even greater things down the road but then there is a lot of fear-mongering too and there's a lot of worry and you can break this into two camps it's the ai doomers and the ai boomers and you are probably the leading boomer of what the promise is to come with this [00:16:24] Jensen Wong: um i'm the pragmatist okay i'm a pragmatist and and first of all becky it's our responsibility as the industry to make ai safe and the reason for that is because only we know how to do that how do you how do you do that well there's a lot of technology yet to invent you know and so this is no different than making making a an airplane safe and so you have redundant systems uh you have a fair amount of diverse uh diverse sensor systems and but it's a little different because the airplane can't decide [00:16:58] Speaker 1: to fly itself into the ground i mean you have to do you think about putting maternalistic instincts into these large language models or what are the ways that we make it like us uh well i was going to [00:17:11] Jensen Wong: say um there are also guard rails yeah and remember the difference between today's chat bots and two year old two year old previous chat bots the guard rails have gotten so much better and of course you can't think of you know as an engineer you can't think of every possible way something could not could malfunction and so you have to kind of try it out in the marketplace there's no better way to become a better company or become build better products than having people use it and that's unfortunate but true you know today's planes and today's cars today's healthcare systems can't be as secure or as safe as it is unless people actually use it and so the guard rail systems are incredibly good they still have places where where uh they you know people could could cause it to do things that you didn't want it to do but every time somebody does that then you know companies go and fix it and so i think that my bigger point is that it is the technology industry's job to make it safe and and of course we as we have to make sure that people understand of the capabilities of the technology and that we use it in a safe safe way we also need to have relationships with people um so that with other countries so that we agree among ourselves that this technology is really powerful and capable and we ought not deploy these things against each other and so we do that in a whole bunch of other places and chemicals and nuclear and so of course we could surely do that do that in this case but the the big point that i want to make is is it's our job as the industry not to scare everybody but to let everybody know this is important work and we're dedicated to it and we're serious about it and we have to hold ourselves account the one thing that i am worried about is the worst outcome for ai for our nation is not that another country gets ai everybody should have ai the global south should have ai every single company every single company well every single company country should everybody should have ai it empowers them it lifts them it elevates them it gives them superpowers of course everybody should have it my greatest concern is that we scare united states people all the people that you know we're telling these science fiction stories to to the point where ai is so unpopular in the united states or people are so afraid of it they don't actually engage it that we lose our lead as a nation that's right ultimately you remember the united states benefited from the last industrial revolution for a good reason not because we invented [00:19:56] Speaker 1: it but because we applied it there's so many things to dig into on that the first would be i understand your point that we need to be engaging with other nations and i believe you're probably referring to china specifically that we need to be able to engage with them and i know your position has been that we should be giving them um the h200 chips you know not not necessarily the latest and greatest but we should be giving them chips so that they are reliant on u.s companies for some of these things that [00:20:26] Jensen Wong: makes sense um we should compete globally america should always have head start should they have the latest and greatest chips no we have the right the united states we're american company united states has the right to make sure that america and and we're delighted by that and we're huge supporters of it that the united states has the first the most and the best but simultaneously all american companies should compete globally because remember in the final analysis we're trying to maximize exports we're trying to maximize american exports we're trying to increase our revenues and by increasing our revenues tax revenues, we improve our national security. And economic security contributes to national security, tax dollars helps us with defense, all of that increases national security. American technology has to win across the world at every single layer. If we could export energy, we should. If we can export chips, we should. If we can export infrastructure, we should. If we can export models, we should. And if we can export applications, we should. [00:21:34] Speaker 1: We don't export our best defense products to a lot of countries, particularly if they are not our allies. Where does AI fall in that mix? Is it a weapon? No. And the way you can test it is this, [00:21:52] Jensen Wong: a simple test. 100% of everybody I'm looking at in the audience, and I can't see most of you, but 100% of you, even without seeing you, I can tell you, you need AI. None of you should have a nuke. I just, I just did the test. That is a good line. It's the test. It's the simple test. I don't [00:22:12] Speaker 1: think any of you need an F-35. All right. Are there weaponized AI versions? Let's just say mythos. Should we give that to everybody right now? Because the, you know, administration is convinced we should probably keep it in this smaller group for the moment. There has been some talk about rolling it out more widely. And there's some hesitation about giving that to everybody because we want to make sure our companies are able to protect themselves before it falls into the hands of bad actors. [00:22:40] Jensen Wong: First, take a step back and ask yourself, what's mythos? Mythos is a really great, great model. But what's really important is mythos is a model that was designed for coding. Now, remember what cyber security is. Code. And if mythos can debug software, can test software, can write software, for what reason can mythos debug cyber security, test for vulnerabilities, [00:23:11] Speaker 1: so on and so forth? Because it's just code. But if a hacker gets access to that before the guys in the white hats do, what happens? They're going to find our weaknesses and maybe exploit them. [00:23:21] Jensen Wong: The answer to that, as it turns out, is not another mythos. The way you defend against a super force is not with another super force. It's with an abundance of cheap force. And so the best answer for mythos is actually open source. Open source so that we have swarms, swarms of white blood cells. Yeah. We have swarms of white blood cells. And these white blood cells are trained to detect and alert us of threats. And the moment that it detects threats, it figures out where the threat is coming from and closes the door. And so we can't, you know, you can't count on the fact that your AI is better than their AI. But you can count on the fact that you got more AI than they got. That you can count on. And the reason for that is because there are more companies and more front doors than any threat. That threat has to decide which front door to focus on. And so the number of defenders we can have, so long as they're open source, because open source is cheap, open source models are very good now. And we can run all of these open source models trained on defending ourselves. And that's the swarm that the dome, if you will, the cyber security dome. And so that's the answer. But the the doomers want to scare you. I've got the world's biggest weapon. So what's your answer? And you're kind of think, my only answer is another big weapon. Well, it turns out asymmetry is what you're looking for. [00:24:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Let's take a step back just in terms of who should be deciding this. I know the industry knows best what's happening. Is there a role for the government to be involved with that self-regulation, not just self-regulation, but government regulation too? [00:25:11] Jensen Wong: Oh, absolutely. Where, where, um, every single application, the application of AI in medical imaging systems, no, no question about it. Every single medical imaging system in the future will essentially have a doctor embedded inside, an AI system embedded inside. And so it's going to know how to scan you exactly right. And it's going to be, you know, while it's scanning you, it's going to be looking for disease and diagnosing it in real time. And so that instrument needs to be regulated and that AI has to be regulated in exactly the way that medical instruments are. Cars, I'm surprised at this point that a self-driving car shouldn't have to get a license. That's a, that's a, right? Don't you think? Yeah. Right? If your daughter needs to get a license, you don't think your self-driving car should get a license, just put it on the road and see if it, you know, drives. Makes it go through all the tests and make the teacher sit on the other side and, you know, yell at it while you're... [00:26:09] Speaker 1: So you don't believe in the move fast and break things sort of way of Silicon Valley? Because that seems how a lot of this got rolled out. No, I think you should move fast, but you shouldn't [00:26:18] Jensen Wong: break things. Yeah. The benefit of moving fast is because technology that is better is safer. I prefer today's car driving. I prefer being driven in a car today than I'd prefer being driven in a car a hundred years ago because it's safer. It's got a lot more technology. Being driven by a self-driving car? I mean, being driven by some self-driving car or even a, or even a real, you know, somebody, a human driver. You know, I think, I don't know why that was so hard to find. It's a tell. It's so yesterday. That's adorable. [00:27:01] Speaker 1: Okay, let's just talk about the doomers. I'll get out of this in a minute. No, I'm happy to stay in there. But I think it's important to address these things because you've got the boomers, you've got the doomers, and most Americans probably fall in the middle. So they are listening to both camps and trying to figure out where they go with this. [00:27:17] Jensen Wong: Hey, we, the pragmatists need some air time. As you know, people who are pragmatic, unless you're extreme, you know, nobody cares what you say. True. Yeah. And yet, that's really where the world is. Right. This thing, I just want you to know, it's not alive. It has no consciousness. I know exactly what it is. And it's computers and software. We know how it's built. If we don't know how it's built, how do we keep making it better? The fact that we don't know what it is, we don't know how it works. It's about to be conscious. We don't know how anything happened. Those kind of words just scare people. And it's not true. And it, you know, makes our work sound mysterious. [00:28:01] Speaker 1: Look, I know you, you look at other CEOs and say, we probably shouldn't listen to what they're saying on some counts on this. But what about Jeffrey Hinton, who was the godfather of AI, and who says that there's a 20 to 30% that it's in human existence? Is, is he completely wrong? And is he completely wrong that there's no chance? Or is he just wrong in his percentages? [00:28:25] Jensen Wong: He's, he's, he's, he's completely wrong that, that, that a whole bunch of smart people aren't working to prevent that from happening. Because you could apply everything that he said to all the circumstances in history. It's because there are so many good people working so hard to prevent these things. There are so many people working on making cars go faster. But there's 10 times more people trying to make the car safer. There are so many people trying to make, make AI smarter. There are 10 times more people working on keeping it guardrailed and safe and, you know, not hallucinating and producing useful work. And, and so, so I think the part that is, that's kind of missing is they, they kind of project themselves that they are the only person who's worried about this. They, they forget that there's a whole bunch of people in the world, a whole bunch of computer scientists in the world who are trying to make the world a safer, safer place and better place. And so with respect to, with respect to, you know, there are some other things that were said, like, for example, and we have to be careful, that they, in all of their, their good intentions, they think they're warning us. But we have to be careful that if we scare people, we're actually hurting us. So let me give you a tangible example, a tangible example. And this is the one that it was the first prediction. Um, a very, very well known, very important computer scientist said, the first job that's going to be wiped out is radiology. And the reason for that is because computer vision does an incredible good, incredibly good job studying scans and looking at images and detecting things that we can't detect. Obviously it can. And so computer vision is now completely superhuman. At that one narrow task, no human in the world can do a better job, stay concentrated for as long, find anomalies as small. And so today they're, the computer scientist is absolutely right. A decade later, 100% of radiology is now infiltrated by AI. It is completely integrated into radiology. And so that was completely right. However, what was completely wrong is that radiologists, that job as predicted was not wiped out. And the reason for that, surprisingly, is the opposite to them. To me is completely obvious. So what happened was radiologists can now study more scans. They can take more patients. They could do more scans on the patients, diagnose disease better. They could accept more patients. The hospital is making more money. The radiology department is the best, one of the biggest profit generating centers now. As a result, they want to hire more radiologists. Now, if it turned out that everybody listened to him and the world has no radiologists, we would be short of this incredible critical resource. We should be telling radiologists, your purpose in life is not to sit in a dark room, to look at a workstation, to study a scan. Your purpose in life is to work with doctors, help treat patients, to diagnose the disease, make people well. That's your purpose in life. Studying the scan is just a task you do. And so the fundamental thing that everybody is missing, all these computer scientists are going, yeah, that job is done, that job is done, is that they misunderstand that the purpose of a job and the task of the job are related, not the same. [00:32:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. If you [00:32:13] Jensen Wong: were to apply that to me, the task that I do 100% of the time is typing and talking. And talking and typing are both completely automated and completely superhuman. I should be out of a job. And so, yet you and I, you know, we're observing that two of us work harder than ever. [00:32:31] Speaker 1: I agree with you 100% on this. I think that's right. This is the goal of capitalism, to make us more productive, give us more free time, let us find newer, better ways to spend our brain power. I think that's the success of a capitalist society. To be more ambitious, to be more bold, [00:32:51] Jensen Wong: to strive for more. I think the moment we lose ambition, like for example, if the work that we want to do today is all the work that humanity ever wants to do, if this is it, then I would, I'll concede. Okay? Automation is going to make more and more people unemployed. However, as you know, we have so much human suffering we want to go solve. We have so many hopes and dreams we want to go after. There's so many things we still want to create. And so if I just had more time, well, I'm finally going to [00:33:20] Speaker 1: have more time. I agree with you 100%, but because this is happening so quickly, is there a bigger dislocation than we've seen in the past that leads to greater inequality? And what do we do about that? [00:33:32] Jensen Wong: So let me give you the pragmatic answer. So the first discontinuity, as we talked about earlier, AI is not the model. AI is the five-layer cake. The first thing that's happened is it's created tons of jobs. As you know, software- Data centers? Yeah, building data centers, chip plants, computer plants, AI factories, all the AI companies are hiring like crazy. Last year, $100 billion were invested into startup companies. The largest investment in human history. Those all went to jobs. AI natives, AI companies start, number of software engineering jobs is rising, not declining. While we're sitting here that saying on the one hand, AI, the first job, the first thing that AI has done well is software coding. Meanwhile, we're hiring more software engineers than ever. Imagine the conflict. And so the reason for that is because we now can use AI to do even more. We have so much ambition. And so we're hiring more people. And so I think that people have to reason about these things with a little bit more life experience, with a little bit more wisdom, instead of looking at it strictly from the technical view point. You know, the fact that now I see an AI write a complete program completely by itself. We go, oh, that's it. Software engineering jobs are gone. That doesn't make any sense. The purpose of a software engineer is not the code. The purpose of a software engineer is to solve problems, innovate new things. That's their purpose. I never said, when I was growing up, I said, you know what I want to do more than anything? I want to type. I landed in America when I was nine years old. When I landed here, I go, you know what? My dad, he sent us here so we can type. Type our butts off. We're just going to sit at a desk. We're going to hunch over this little tiny display and we're just going to type every single day. We're going to type. We're going to type from the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed. [00:35:38] Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. And so, I know I'm just having too much fun with you. There could be some dislocations along the way. I agree with you that there's going to be greater job creation. There's going to be a lot of places where you see these. There's probably going to be some dislocation just like it was when we left an agricultural society and went to an industrialized [00:35:59] Jensen Wong: one. Everybody's job will be impacted. Let me just give you one example. If you're a college student graduating now, if you graduate and you're not an expert AI user, you're not going to take a job from another kid who's graduating who is an AI expert user. That's a dislocation. A skill that was not necessary yesterday, today, essential. And yet, if you were a young college graduate and you're an AI expert, tell me you're not going to get hired. We're going to hire, right? Isn't that right? And so, all of a sudden, the demand for someone who uses AI versus someone who doesn't, that's a classic job dislocation. Now, of course, there are some jobs that are just basically the task. Maybe you're just answering phone calls. Now, you could use AI to answer that phone call. And when you call a restaurant these days, I don't know. I think there's all the AIs, isn't it? Yeah. So, the person who's at the reception who picks up the phone in the past to take a reservation no longer has to do that. So, they can take care of a customer instead of having that customer wait at a restaurant. And so, you know, I don't know that every job will be impacted. Many jobs will be created. Some jobs will be eliminated. But every job will be impacted. Because we're in California, I want to bring this [00:37:22] Speaker 1: up. And I've been trying to get at this idea. Most really wealthy people that I know are freaked out about the wealth tax proposal here and other places. You are not, even though it could cost you about [00:37:34] Jensen Wong: eight billion dollars. Hold on. I said, what'd you say? Say that again? I'm afraid it could cost you eight billion dollars. Before I, let me, let me do some fact checking before I answer that question. [00:37:49] Speaker 1: Why are you not worried about it? What, what, um, is it that you're so worried about so many other things or is it you think it's fair to have that redistribution that comes back or explain? [00:38:01] Jensen Wong: First of all, I prefer lower taxes and higher. However, I also don't mind paying taxes. You know, I love this country. We don't exercise that many tax loopholes. I think once a year, we get a bill, we pay it. And it's big and I don't mind it. And, um, we know Lori and I never one time think about it. We love this country. Um, uh, in a way that's our way of giving back. Uh, I would love California to be better. I would love the United States to be better. Um, I would, I would love that they would apply $10,000 of the taxes that I paid to fix that one pothole on a one-on-one, but I might, if you give me the chance, if they let me, I'll do it myself. And, and, but, but I, I, I want, you know, it's a, it's fine. It's, I never once thought about it. And, and then another thing is, you know, when we came out of school, we didn't say, okay, all right, states, show me all your taxes. And I looked at all of them and I go, that's the one you won. We came to California because this was the state we chose. Because? I loved the school that was here. I came to school Stanford here. I love the companies that were here. Um, we love the culture that's here. And, and so we chose to come here and it wasn't because, you know, we traded off among states with lower taxes, but, but now I've got a lot of friends who, who pay so little taxes that I'm just kidding. Can you name them all? No, no. No, I love California and, and, and, uh, I prefer lower taxes, but whatever they decide to, to, uh, ask me to pay, I'll pay. [00:39:48] Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question about Anthropic, um, because there has been a debate about, you know, they're caught up with the, the Pentagon at this point. It seems like the White House is trying to maybe mend fences to find ways that Anthropic can be used, uh, within the government and within contractors to the government. Is it key to you, do you think, to make sure that that [00:40:11] Jensen Wong: happens for American competitiveness? Um, absolutely. I, I hope, I hope that the, the U S government and Anthropic work it out. Um, Anthropic is an incredible company. Uh, they have an incredible culture. Um, they have a belief system that's really, really deep rooted. Uh, and, uh, uh, their contributions to AI, um, cloud code, uh, agentic AI and all the work that they're doing. Incredible. Uh, we work with them on a technical basis and we work with them on a business basis and I'm delighted by all that. I don't agree with all of their posture and Daria and I are very clear that we don't have to agree on any of that and still be, uh, civil working with each other. And so we are able to keep all of that separate. Here's my belief. Um, my belief is that, that, uh, uh, uh, American companies who create technology are, uh, if the United States government decides to use it, uh, uh, uh, in defense of our nation and defense of my family, uh, that, um, to the extent that they use it, uh, uh, in a constitutional way, uh, in a legal way and, um, uh, in defense of our nation, uh, they're defying men's and women of, of the military. Uh, I have every belief, uh, that they're going to apply it in the right way. And that CEOs who are not elected officials, I'm not an elected official. And when we, when we go, when the United States go to war, I would really appreciate not getting a phone call asking whether my technology ought to be used. And the reason for that is because I would defer to their judgment. And if I don't agree with them, uh, I can apply and, and, um, exercise my rights as a citizen to vote next time. And that's how I can protest. Uh, I can speak out loud. I can, um, uh, uh, vote as a citizen. I could encourage other people to speak up. But the one thing that we will not do is get in the way of the United States defending our, our families. And so we are not elected officials. And so that's kind of my belief system. And I believe that's how democracy works and how the country should work. And, um, but otherwise, this is one. Thank you. It is one extraordinary company that's just to put it out. There's, you know, if you, if you think about it in the, in the, in the, in the arc of history, there's never been a company like this before to have grown from, what are they, 10 years old or something like that? I think is to go from 10, a zero to nearly a trillion dollars in value, um, at the, the, the business rate that they have. I mean, they're currently probably 40, 50 billion dollars annualized run rate, uh, for a software company to generate these kind of revenues. These, this is historic in many, many ways. And their contributions to computer science, uh, to society is incredible. And so. Tell us one thing before we go that [00:43:19] Speaker 1: you're kind of ruminating on right now, um, that we don't know about, but something that's maybe surprised [00:43:25] Jensen Wong: you in the last few months. Um, you, you have, you have, um, every reason to be optimistic. And, and the reason for that is because I, every day, I mean, this morning I woke up, I was talking to a professor and then later I was talking to a scientist and, and, um, uh, and then I flew over here to hang out with you and, and so that's my day. And so, and in, in that timeframe, uh, we, we spoke about, about, um, uh, AI for open science and the work that, that, uh, AI can finally do. For example, what used to take months for a researcher to explore a new idea, they can now use AI to help them do that research in a day. What used to be months is now a day and you get the same. And, you know, science, scientists is really a discovery process, exploration, pushing the frontiers of human knowledge. And so scientists, whether it's in, in energy science, in climate science, of course, in biology and all the places in healthcare and drug discovery, the physical sciences, the breakthroughs are incredible. If you could just see all of the things that I see every day, you would be so fired up, so excited about the future and realize that whatever ambition that you had in the past, the one thing that you have to say to yourself is whatever level of ambition you have, it just not high enough. That's the only change. The fundamental change that we have to make and I have to make is whatever expectations I have for the company, you've got to increase it by about a hundred X. So if my, if people tell me they can do something, I've got a hundred X in my head now. And so I've been, I've been, you know, if you will, really transformed by what I now see that AI can do. And I can't wait for all of you to enjoy that. It's going to be coming very soon. And in each one of the different fields in science and industry, it's going to be completely revolutionary. It's going to be great. [00:45:23] Speaker 1: Jensen, when you say it, I believe you because even though the things you're talking about are out there, it feels to me like you generally under-promise and over-deliver, not the others. [00:45:34] Jensen Wong: Yeah. And also, Becky, as you know, if you go back in history, most of my predictions have been right. Yeah. [00:45:42] Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Jensen. Really appreciate it. [00:45:51] Speaker 3: We hope you enjoyed the discussion. Be sure to utilize the mobile app to stay up to date on the latest programming changes. As you exit the room, please remember to bring your belongings with you. Take me to your best friend's house. Going around this roundabout. Oh, yeah. Take me to your best friend's house.