Joe Rogan & Candace Owens ARGUE Over Climate Change

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Nightwalkers at the point but I don't understand how you think that we we you're we're almost losing America and there's a battle for America I really feel that [00:00:08] Speaker 2: like just in every regard in terms of just just the people that were running like Hillary Clinton like this woman was a globalist like to think about who we were who we were in bed with like Saudi Arabia selling all of our uranium to Russia like like Trump came in and was like no like America people we were the gap like we lost them we're losing the middle class a gap between the rich and the poor was like literally what do you think is causing that policies shipping all of our jobs overseas the regulation the government getting bigger and bigger you can't do anything as an entrepreneur in America without a piece of paper from the government discouraging people with this piece of paper like sending like shutting down the factories forgetting that there's something you know there's a little land between New York and LA believe it or not like you know and this is what Trump understood we were losing that and and Trump appealed to that those people I'm still floored like as I'm traveling the world and seeing different pieces of the country I'm learning how ignorant I was like and that's the best thing in the entire world just I fell victim to the idea that like it was progress it was progress it was progress we have to care about the environment it was progress and it's like no like we've been losing America has been losing and and Donald Trump understood that and in a way that I didn't and I think we have to [00:01:20] Speaker 1: care about the environment like not even a little bit no okay let me let me [00:01:26] Speaker 2: clarify this I don't throw trash on the ground like I'm not saying like we need to like you know trash the environment like but do I believe in climate change no you don't believe in climate change well I think the climate always changes I guess do I believe that this is like you know an issue that is being that has failed global warming which they've changed conveniently got rid of the word one scientists started disproving it now they only say client climate change no I think that that was just a way to extract dollars from Americans I don't at all believe they had no actionable plan it was great for Trump to get out of that deal [00:01:57] Speaker 1: it's terrible okay but this is an incredibly complicated subject right and if you would have to talk to a bunch of different scientists and see how they gather data and see what they understand about co2 levels and what's the danger of them and what can combat it what could not have you done all this or do you take this flippant [00:02:16] Speaker 2: opinion this is not this wouldn't be the hill I died on right but it's not about part I just genuinely I've read a ton about it but I would not be able to I would not be able to come to you and say like this is my strong opinion but here's like the easiest way to say this right the fact that there is a disparity in the science community about whether or not it's real is enough to very little very [00:02:34] Speaker 1: little disparity most most most scientists most the the vast majority agree that human beings are negatively affecting climate change yeah the vast majority yeah I don't I just I just don't think so you so you think that the very few scientists that disagree with consensus are the ones that are correct well I think if [00:02:55] Speaker 2: something is it's it's either subjective or it's objective and they're objective truths right but it's subjective if you're saying that there are some I I don't think there's very little there are some that don't get paid to go on TV there's some that are not Bill Nye who are not funded scientists and that has been a hold well Bill Nye's not a scientist he's not he's a my heart when I [00:03:14] Speaker 1: found out science that's the that's the point and I know that's not a good word he's not but Bill Nye is like a science influencer or a science entertainer he's like a he doesn't have a background in actual science he's not a scientist doesn't [00:03:32] Speaker 2: have a PhD he's got an I learned about him in school everything I knew in science had [00:03:35] Speaker 1: to do with Bill Nye well he promotes science and science is not bad but the the real problem is with climate change is that with for sure there has been ups and downs throughout the history of this planet they're observable they've they follow them in maybe was one of the subjects that I had earlier today with dr. Robert shock 2014 the vast majority 87 percent of scientists said that human activity is driving global warming yet only half the American public public ascribe to that view so what website 87 percent and this is scientific American yeah yeah dot-com though like that means [00:04:12] Speaker 2: it's it's making money I don't trust that if it was a dot org I would probably take that but that this [00:04:16] Speaker 1: is just a random website and American is not necessarily a random website yeah I don't I don't believe this like at all just so you know you don't believe it like I genuinely I genuinely don't believe I know you do but I genuinely don't believe it I believe most of the time the consensus of scientists that are studying the [00:04:35] Speaker 2: data right and so what they're doing is remember all of the stories that came out about the scientists that said that when they tried to present their evidence to show like they were basically just getting shut down at every corner you can pull that up to like scientists look up I guess look up the opposite right instead of instead of looking for what you're not looking for I didn't search for it [00:04:53] Speaker 1: that's what I found when I saw sorry yeah yeah look up but this is my question why are you so sure this is extremely because what you just said extremely complicated subject and it is I'm I said I am not [00:05:07] Speaker 2: so sure that I would die on the hill for it my opinion right now and it's just that it was a means because forget the fact of whether you believe global warming is real let's say it's 100% real let's [00:05:17] Speaker 1: say we know fact it's real is there well let's let's be clear yeah global warming global to climate change is definitely real it's happening well the question is always happened yes it has always happened so [00:05:27] Speaker 2: what what are we what is the this is the climate change yes the climate changes it was different weather yesterday than it was today the climate is forever changing like that that's the problem is that people are making it seem like that's something weird no no no that's not you're you're [00:05:39] Speaker 1: misrepresenting the issue the issue is people think that human beings are exacerbating climate change to the point where there's a there's a tipping point we cross over that tipping point we're going to deal with huge problems that could be corrected if we act now and put a lot of funding into climate control okay this is what Howard Bloom was on talking about a few days ago he was talking about that the real future involves the technology of climate control and that we have to be really careful of is letting it get too far where you can't ever stop it and pull it back this is what scientists are warning about this is why they want emission standards this is why they want to figure out how to get people to be aware of the fact this is a real issue now irregardless human beings if they never existed the earth has constantly gone through cycles the question is not whether or not the earth has gone through cycles of cooling and warming the question is are we exacerbating that the vast majority of scientists say we are okay now this could this could negatively impact all sorts of coastal cities this could be a gigantic problem this is not like propaganda that's drummed up by some sort of big business that seeks to make money off of this or some sort of uh well they were making money off of it Al Gore might have made some money [00:06:58] Speaker 2: no but like the agreement that we were in they were they were that was like the amount of money that america was losing but here's what i was going to ask you so let's just wait a minute the amount of [00:07:07] Speaker 1: money america was losing what do you who is in the paris agreement because this is the reason why we [00:07:11] Speaker 2: wanted to get out of the paris agreement is but that's what i wanted to get to so let's say we all agree that global warming is real i don't believe it's real okay so i can't sit here but here's the question but why have a belief [00:07:23] Speaker 1: what do you mean why have a belief it's whether or not global warming is real or not real because i just [00:07:28] Speaker 2: don't have a background in it you don't understand the science you are correct but why have a belief in it right so it's not a belief it's not a belief and i don't believe in it but that's what i'm saying but you have a belief that it doesn't exist right i i no i i personally think that this was just the next the fact that it was presented to us by Al Gore and it's just it was not it's not presented to us by [00:07:47] Speaker 1: just by Al Gore Al Gore made a film right and he's been called like the first green billionaire he's made a [00:07:53] Speaker 2: load of money off and he flies in his private plane because he's so worried about the emissions okay [00:07:56] Speaker 1: that is hilarious yeah there's something hilarious about that all of the people that are telling us a politician right there's there's grossness to all that stuff right and that's what worries me so my [00:08:06] Speaker 2: question is let's say that it's real okay let's just assume like that's the best way to let's say it's real let's say it's 100 okay do you feel that you have found in your research that there is something that human beings can do that would change this all around it's possible yes one of the things that [00:08:23] Speaker 1: they're figuring out how to pull carbon out of the atmosphere and even even possibly reuse it there's there's all sorts of things that people are trying to do i mean we had um what was the young man who made that uh device boy on boy on slot he figured out a way to uh make this device that pulls plastic out of the oceans they're figuring out a way to i mean that's important yeah there's a lot [00:08:44] Speaker 2: yeah well because plastic just can't like over time but that's what i mean like so when i say that i'm like and like i i believe in recycling like i'm not like a person that's like this is but the idea that the government is just going to take trillions of dollars because we're in some agreement where we're all agreeing that we should do something is is useless and and look from the stuff like there's obviously a lot of debate here and as i said like i'm not so the one thing you'll always find with me is i'll never pretend to be so educated on something like i'm not going on college campuses talking about global warming i don't do that right but why are you saying that you don't think it exists i just don't i just i don't know maybe because it got here it is maybe because it got so politicized [00:09:19] Speaker 1: studies into scientific agreement on human cause global warming and look at all the studies it's between a hundred percent and 91 at the lowest 91 of one of the studies from 2014. this is the union of concerned scientists yeah they almost it's it's a pretty broad consensus who do they who do who are they um polling is it the people that are a part of this dot um that's what i'm asking 10 306 scientists to confirm over 97 of climate scientists agree and over 97 of the scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans so my question to you is if you want to step outside of the scientific consensus right which is vast and involves 10 306 scientists and just say i don't believe in it yeah even if you're right even if you're right you don't have enough information to say that [00:10:20] Speaker 2: right no you might be correct that's what i said that this is what you're saying you don't believe i don't yeah i would have to have someone sit down and convince me that it was real i personally don't believe it that's okay but why it's good to start at a place of not believing something no it's not you [00:10:33] Speaker 1: think you should start with believing everything no it's not believe either or not believe yes not believe no yeah but don't say you don't believe yeah learn about it yeah learn about it and then have an opinion but you're stating this opinion without having any real understanding of what [00:10:47] Speaker 2: climate science is but that's that's exactly what an opinion is i'm not going like i said if if if you said that candace you went on to 10 000 college campuses and you said that global warming wasn't real then we'd have a problem you and i are just having a conversation yeah but why have an opinion on [00:11:00] Speaker 1: something that you don't have data about this is my question like i don't necessarily have an opinion on climate science i really don't yeah because i don't know much about it but what i do know is that what i've read is that the vast majority of people who study it are in agreement that human [00:11:15] Speaker 2: beings are affecting it so i don't i just my recall on a lot of things that i read and this was a while ago so this is what where i when i first formed my opinion i'm not believing this i read a shit ton of articles can't recall the data because like i said this wasn't something i was super passionate about it was like somebody posted something and then i went on like a tear reading about it um but it was essentially just noting that in a lot of these studies like when you go and you if we had time to sit down and really pull this up they're pulling you know 10 000 scientists that are within a community that is fun like these.orgs do you believe in everything that media matter media matters.org puts out for statistics right that's a political that's a political arm of the democratic party talking about a different subject between but i know but i'm just politics yeah versus science but this has been politicized that's the science has been politicized yes it has global warming in particular has been politicized 100 it has been politicized right that's the whole reason i i fell down this dark hole one night reading about it and i didn't i was like you know what at the end of the day i don't really care it has been [00:12:13] Speaker 1: politicized but i think that's also maybe why you're saying you don't agree with it so quickly right because it's an ideological right wing point right is that global warming isn't real right if you're one of those people that thinks global warming isn't real you're almost always on the right right [00:12:28] Speaker 2: and that's fine but i'm telling you that like again i didn't do a deep dive on all of this because i read about it because it was at a forefront of discussion so i read about it all night and my conclusion was that they started pulling up all of these studies and the person that you know did this that i did a deep dive on and they started showing how like these community of scientists were in fact somewhere behind that dot org is someone that was being funded so to me the issue got too politicized for me to to believe that global warming was something that was going to um wipe out the world now scientists [00:12:55] Speaker 1: get funded that is a fact yes but that doesn't mean that the funding affects the scientific research and the data which they all agree on and this is universally across the entire planet thousands and thousands of scientists would not stake their reputation on false data what what they're saying is not that the only reason why the world is getting warm is because human beings that the only reason why the climate isn't totally static for the rest of eternity right because of human beings what they're saying is we are negatively impacting our own environment and we're doing it because we existing technology and we use coal and fossil fuels and emissions and we're raising our co2 levels and this is based on data yeah and this is this is something that you can look at you could look at the data and and and follow where they're getting this information from and follow how they're making these conclusions and follow the vast majority of these brilliant people who study this their whole [00:13:56] Speaker 2: life exactly and if look if i was a person that was putting forth policy on climate change or if i was a person that put out my opinion publicly on paul on on climate change i would do all of that i'm just not [00:14:07] Speaker 1: it i understand what you're saying but what i'm saying is that you're a very smart person yeah and people listen to you and they're going to listen to you for a long time but this is what i hate this is but this is what i hate because then it's like you have to have a form of opinion on everything no no you don't have to have a form of opinion on everything what you do have to have is the ability to know when you don't know what the you're talking about but i just said that i said [00:14:26] Speaker 2: that you don't believe it yeah i said i don't believe it and then you asked me and i said this wouldn't be the hill i chose to die on because i don't i don't why you say you don't believe in [00:14:35] Speaker 1: because i i just personally if you how about not have a belief until you really okay so you would [00:14:40] Speaker 2: prefer if my language as opposed to admitting that i do not know this i wouldn't die until i've never made it be i've never made a public statement you would have preferred if i had just started by saying [00:14:48] Speaker 1: i have no i have no opinion no i don't know okay that's what i'm saying you you say i said i didn't know no you say i don't believe in it yeah i don't believe in it you're saying really clearly that [00:14:58] Speaker 2: you don't think it's real yeah so i mean i think it would be the same if i said to you like you know uh do you believe in god right no i would say i don't know you would say so if that's this i feel [00:15:09] Speaker 1: like this is sort of like linguistics though no i would say i don't know i always say i don't know [00:15:13] Speaker 2: i don't know most people say like i believe i believe it or i don't right so it's like if you say i think a lot of people say they don't know okay i think believe is definitely where that's associated with god but um right so a lot of people say that they don't know but if you say i don't believe in god and then somebody starts saying oh you need to form is it it's like just i just don't know no [00:15:31] Speaker 1: no you don't because god is not scientific data right there's a big difference between measuring the co2 levels in the atmosphere and and the deciding whether or not there's an afterlife right i just i [00:15:41] Speaker 2: i'm sorry that i just don't believe i don't believe in global warming i'm happy to you're allowed to not believe in it that's all i've been trying to say i don't believe in it but i have not you're an influencer yeah but you're a very bright person but i would i if somebody had asked me like at a place where i'm influencing on a college campus what's your opinion i would say i have none i bet you would say i don't believe in it like you just did that is absolutely not what you just did there are so many instances where you could watch it's just like and you can ask dave rubin when he asks me a question i say i don't have an opinion about a different subject yeah because you and i are having a conversation one-on-one i'm not i'm not sitting here to try to i don't go on campus talking about global warming because i don't i don't have an opinion on it but if you press me and ask me if i believe in it no i don't really believe in it but could i go deep dive and and learn that perhaps i'm wrong sure i personally am inclined to believe that a lot of those studies are manipulated um as i said during the one night that i did deep dive on it and when they showed like all the pieces of you know of evidence or whatever it just seemed a little shady and i felt that it was politicized but i think that i have a right to say that i don't believe in something but that i also don't know and that's what i said to you i don't believe in it but i wouldn't die in this hill i don't know [00:16:45] Speaker 1: enough about it i don't say you wouldn't die in this hill yeah but what but you also said you don't believe in it and you stated the reason why because you think it's a scam yeah yeah that's the truth [00:16:55] Speaker 2: what do you want me to do i'm gonna lie to you it's okay but i'm not i'm not sitting here saying it's a complicated issue it's very very complicated that's fine but i i what do you want me to lie to you and say i'm not a politician you want me to you should the correct term like i feel like this is like the editing of people do like when they're like oh uh obama if they ask you a question you don't know this is the way i'm not running for office i'm answering i'm talking to you i don't believe in it i appreciate that i appreciate you i can't be fake i this is my number one problem in life is i can't be fake and i know that you're pressing me here and that you want me to adjust and to say like i do i do not have an opinion or the i'm not like a politician i'm telling you i don't believe in it could i could i change my perspective and listen if you're just a regular person if you're just a [00:17:33] Speaker 1: regular person you said i don't believe in it i'd probably go all right the problem is you're not [00:17:38] Speaker 2: you're you're you're a very influential but i'm aware when i'm on stage when i'm on my youtube channel you there's no videos of can if someone's talking about global warming i'm aware of that there is now yeah exactly now it's going to be broken against god i just yeah exactly and people are [00:17:53] Speaker 1: going to be mad at me it's weird because you're you know what's funny though is that like it this [00:17:59] Speaker 2: feels so like we're not on the internet right now but it's like i still don't feel like we're on the internet this is the problem yeah but like if we were if you and i were on a college campus i'd be like eh yeah i'm not really sure i don't know jack about global warming i really don't yeah i think [00:18:13] Speaker 1: what the real fear is not even global warming the real fear is global cooling the ice age is the most terrifying thing that can happen to human beings yeah that happens everybody dies yeah i know global [00:18:22] Speaker 2: warming you just move inland yeah i i think that the real thing that people are concerned about is like just beyond any of that stuff i don't know i think that there's like more concerns in society like i i i personally think that some scientists started talking about global warming and it got politicized and they figured it was another way to extract human beings money because of fear [00:18:37] Speaker 1: that's my opinion i think there's probably some truth to that there's definitely we're going to find [00:18:41] Speaker 2: our core scientists that agree with everything we say if it's improving that harvard studies have been incorrect because they were being funded by um certain you know political interest groups so i'm not inclined to pull up something on and um i'm blanking it'll come back to me in a second but there were harvard papers that have been funded by certain researchers that are trying to get a certain political position out and it causes mass fear and people are willing to spend their money a certain way it's entirely possible it is but it's real that's very real people are flawed so i'm not inclined when someone pulls up an article and says look a 10 000 scientists i air on the side of okay i don't know those scientists are i don't know what this organization is funded by so i'm going to stick by my guns and say i don't really believe in it yet now if i decide that i'm going to run for office and i've got to make a decision on on the atmosphere and what we're going to do about global warming and co2 emissions you better believe i will be fully ready to discuss it i'm not going to make a youtube video and just know the outskirts of it i don't do that right but if you and i are having a discussion sorry i don't [00:19:33] Speaker 1: believe it like i don't know what to say i would say open to learning okay open to learning i'm always [00:19:39] Speaker 2: open to learning i've i've been wrong before i was a liberal two years ago you know um or three years ago so that's that's not a problem i'm open to learning but i'm not gonna like protect like say something that feels inauthentic and what i wanted to say there was i don't believe in it [00:19:52] Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that it's become it's a real right-wing talking point it's