Jimmy Dore: Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Thomas Massie & Finding God Through the Propaganda Hellscape

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: jimmy door thank you for doing this uh my pleasure thanks for having me so it seemed to me so much is happening it's hard to get perspective on any of it but it does feel like thomas massey's loss in the primary in kentucky two weeks ago was like a kind of pivot point in american politics [00:00:21] Speaker 2: what was your response to it well my response to it was how dare we you know tell preach democracy around the world and tell people that the people in china are oppressed when we obviously don't have democracy here right this is the come uh a complete um we just gave up and uh and so now it's the oligarchs as i was telling you before you know it's just proof that we don't live in a democracy you know they did that princeton study in 2015 about how it doesn't the 90 percent of people their wishes never are expressed in legislation and it's only the top 10 of the wealthy people and there's a direct correlation if 50 of the wealthy people want something 50 of the time it happens you know and so but the bottom doesn't matter your your vote that literally doesn't matter and we're living in that and so you know i was telling before in in in china the government sits above capital yes and so the economy works for the people but in the united states capital is above the government and so the economy doesn't work for the people it works for a handful of international globalist billionaires which is why we have homelessness everywhere we have the biggest prison population in the world and uh you know we still get go bankrupt just to get educated you get bankrupt when you get sick and like i i say is that we're like we're and we live in a surveillance state and so we we're like china except we have more street crime and slower trains and we get lectured constantly in the most [00:01:53] Speaker 1: self-righteous way by the worst people um it it's a hard jump for your average right winger me for example to accept the fact that corporations are even more malicious than government way more you know i i think that's i'm coming around to that just because the evidence is overwhelming but i i do think there's like a training that takes place where you just have someone point to soviet poland and you're like that's the option to what we have and you're like i don't want that i don't like potatoes you know what i mean bad architecture grim weather but i i kind of believe that uh you believe that that's the option that that was the option so either you have like google runs everything and you know do they do it in technicolor and it's like free and it's great or the state runs everything and it's soviet poland and so like i do think the average right winger had or again i'll say for my speak for myself it's like hard to accept that you want to live in a system where billionaires don't control everything [00:03:01] Speaker 2: like that's not good that's not good let's look look around that's you're right this is the system we're living in and you know corporations there's no long-term planning right at least in china they have long-term planning right which is why they get to have flying cars and great infrastructure and beautiful bridges that make their own waterfalls and own rainbows stuff like that it's just amazing uh and in here because they don't in corporations only care about quarterly profits so they don't care if the whole company crashes as long as they can show a profit in the quarter i think that's right and that's the problem there's no long-term planning in america and that's why and you know i also have a firm belief that uh like in california they spent 24 billion dollars to try to fix homelessness and none of it it just got worse and you know i think you've talked about this that it seems planned because it probably is that they want us uh to live in this kind of hellscape uh so we beg for authoritarian solutions to these problems and that's right and that's what they're doing right so you know it all started with 9 11 they had the patriot act already written before 9 11 right so they they and and and and as uh edward snowden revealed that you know they're collecting uh every text every phone call every email you make anyway so we live in and then it's just getting more flock cameras it's like what you said to kevin hillary it's like the oh they're there to help fight crime really crime rates going down are they no no so uh yeah this is what happens and thomas massey i mean a guy who won almost unanimously and then he his positions didn't change uh but then all of a sudden uh he loses and loses big right lost by 10 points so uh and it just and it was all propaganda and lies and who knows if they also uh fiddled with the vote you know i why would you put that past them well of course they would the people who slaughter people for profit which is what been the last 25 years uh since 9 11 just slaughtering people for profit uh they wouldn't rig an election right of course they would of course [00:05:07] Speaker 1: yeah and uh if it's important enough to murder people it's important enough to take over electronic voting machines of course and by the way that's the one thing you're not allowed to say you're not [00:05:16] Speaker 2: well you know so that's always a always a tip before 2020 the democrats used to scream about oh i remember about i have video after video i show on my show about uh the the democrats saying how easily hacked these electronic voting machines are and then there was a day you can't say it anymore right just like you used to be able to criticize big pharma and then there was a day you got you can't do it anymore right remember and so yeah of course those people would would rig elections i mean they the people who did building seven wouldn't wouldn't rig an election no it's just you're total [00:05:49] Speaker 1: people risk their lives to rob liquor stores so right a lot's at stake but i i kind of wonder like why do we have electronic voting machines that are not faster you don't get the vote faster right it takes forever it takes forever so what is the purpose what's the utility why why do we still have them why not just i don't know give a thumbprint like they do in yeah civilized countries like malawi [00:06:12] Speaker 2: it's easier to control why i mean that's the obvious right the easiest answer right it's easier to control the vote i anyway it's a we don't again we don't live in a democracy no there's always the people who say well jimmy we don't live in a democracy we live in a constitutional republic right the people will say that which is true of course uh but that is that is a form of democracy so i always have to tell people that is a form of democracy you don't have direct democracy because majority rules uh is a bad thing you have to have a constitution which protects the right of the minority in case when you have a you know tyranny of the majority which is what we had during covid yeah good point [00:06:52] Speaker 1: but in both a direct democracy and a constitutional republic the the core idea is the same which is the people rule it's their country it belongs to them yeah good and if you believe that i've got to have [00:07:07] Speaker 2: vaccine i'd like to sell you so now i i guess my i mean right now we have we're having a governor's race in california and so they have the they have it's called a jungle primary do you know what that is right sort of tell me so so instead of democrats and republicans having their own primary they have one big primary everybody's in it including independents including no party preference people and uh the top two vote getters then face off in and so that's to make sure that it's just democrats right so that's that's what that is because we have one party rule in in california and if you think that's good go to california and see how it's working out um and so they have a jungle primary and uh so someone the democrats are so unpopular now even in california that they're afraid that a republican or two republicans might because the democrats might split the vote and then two republicans sneak in and uh they asked it to governor newsom and they said what what if that happens and he said well we have a plan we have a break the glass plan meaning you know an emergency break the glass so he's like he's literally saying don't worry we're not going to allow democracy to work we're not gonna if the vote doesn't go the way we want we have a break the glass moment and we're gonna fix that he said that out loud he said that out loud and you know just like when uh but he pays no price for this just like when he said um so in california they like i said they spent 24 billion dollars to fix homelessness homelessness got worse and so uh unanimously the legislature passed a bill saying hey uh let's have transparency on how that money was spent passed unanimously uh gavin newsom vetoed it and he paid no political price for that nobody even brings it up and so that's the so that's what we're and again the the one party rule is uh again it's like we're in california we're like china but will it change i hate to be a pessimist but no i don't see it changing you know you talk to people uh my friend lives in the pacific palisades her house did not burn down and they're having a vote for mayor and she was asking this guy who was standing there in a burned out uh property and then who are you gonna vote for for mayor and he's like you know whoever the democrats say that was almost a direct quote and so they don't you know just like when the fires happen i'll talk to my neighbors they go well jimmy there's nothing they can do and then of course there's a million things they could do there's nothing they could do and i go did you know that there was did you know that there was a reservoir above the pacific palisades that holds 113 million gallons of water they drained it before the fire did you know that is they go yeah but that wouldn't have helped like this is just a direct quote i mean i guess she didn't go to firefighting school because water's like the number one thing and um so that's that's the that's the their their mentality so this whole idea uh you know half the country thinks oh their party is better than the other party and it's like oh there's one party that's obviously better than the other party really i wonder if this is a trap hmm how could this be used against us and that's exactly what it is right just like george carlin said you get 40 different brands of cereal breakfast cereal you get two political parties and it's used against it at least in china people can hold their politicians accountable because they got no other party to blame so when something goes wrong and if you look at the polls they're way more happy with their government in china than we are in our country [00:10:43] Speaker 1: everyone senses that young people in this country struggle with loneliness but few people understand the cause of it here it is the population has been trained to look for peace in places where there is no peace career success social media validation political victories money none of that brings fulfillment faith and family bring fulfillment this month howl was launching the heart of jesus challenge it's a 12-day journey into something the ruling class would never put on a ted talk it's about the love of god this challenge is about an actual encounter with an actual god who knows your name has seen your worst moments and has never looked away managing anxiousness is a low bar for peace overcoming anxiousness should be the true goal and there is no better way in fact there is no other way than a relationship with god halo takes you into scripture to help you strengthen your faith 12 days each of which you will love get three free months of halo at halo.com slash tucker it does seem like um the reason i asked will it change because it does seem like it can't continue like this so it's the only so what i what i said [00:11:57] Speaker 2: after thomas massey was that you know the last time that the establishment was this unresponsive to its citizens uh george washington picked up a gun and started shooting people well that's right and i'm not advocating violence obviously and uh but what we need to do and the truckers in canada during covid laid a template for this which is why they overreacted to them so hard because they knew they didn't want them just like when joe biden crushed that railroad strike they had to do that because that would have showed everybody the power of workers because the railroad is the backbone of capitalism and if you shut that down it shuts down and the oligarchs get hurt right and so they had to stop that they made it illegal for them to to to go on strike and um so what i said is that after thomas massey is that we need to have uh what if all the railroad workers just didn't show up for work for a week or so what if the port workers didn't show up what if uh everybody all the all the truck drivers didn't show up and then they went and they occupied wall street uh which is why occupy wall street scared the hell out of them yes and um because that was the left and the right so you had the tea party upset about the banks you had the left uh progressives upset about the banks they had a common interest because that's the thing they don't want you to know is that we actually have a common interest they want you to keep turning against your neighbor like your neighbor's the problem exactly and your neighbor's not your problem your neighbor is suffering under the same oligarchy that you're suffering under and they don't want you to realize that you have shared interests and that we can work on the other stuff later but we got to come together to stop these wef globalist billionaires that actually run and dictate our lives and so that's what i'm saying is that we need to have you know for all the grocery store workers all the ups all the amazon if if they and if a couple of them did it together uh it would show the power of the workers that we actually can take and you have to have a protest when you have a protest you have to have a demand so that's why you know those uh no kings marches right or protests those are psyops and how do you know they're a psyop because there's no demand you have to have a demand a concrete demand and so if the if the workers shut down at the railroad workers port workers truck drivers if they shut down they have a demand demand is no outside money in elections we have publicly funded elections we have an election cycle that's six weeks instead of two years and uh you can't have corporate money you can't have any of that stuff it has to be publicly funded and people say who's going to pay for that well it costs us trillions of dollars every year because we have corporations funding our elections it would save us trillions of dollars and we'd have a more responsive democracy if we had publicly funded elections so that would be my demand that's so you got to have you can have a protest you got to have a demand and when you see a protest without a demand that's how you know it's a psyop that's how you know it's to bring people [00:14:51] Speaker 1: back into the two-party duopoly and hating each other seems like if you're going to uh try to compel someone to do something he doesn't want to do you have to do something he really doesn't want you to do so like i i occupy wall street which i especially in retrospect we needed that but the tactic was like have a protest they don't care about your protest what they do care about is money why is no one ever organized millions of americans to say stop paying their credit card bills or stop paying their student loans why are people paying student loans i don't understand that uh it seems like that might get the attention of the people in charge yeah well that's that certainly would and [00:15:37] Speaker 2: you know how they you know michael parenti who who died recently and um he was he was a real uh friend of the working man and he said you know the the the oligarchs they don't care about if you have health care they don't care about if you have you can afford a house they don't care if you have to go bankrupt getting an education the only thing they actually do care about is what you think that's actually what they care about that's it that's smart and that's why they spend all this money on propaganda that's why they own the media that's why they constantly keep you propagandize and the best propaganda is the stuff you don't realize that is a propaganda you just internalize it and you think that's just the way things are so that's the actually they care what you think that's so interesting that's the only thing they care about that's a deep insight because sometimes it [00:16:22] Speaker 1: feels like they don't care what you think but of course they do because the propaganda is just [00:16:26] Speaker 2: relentless yeah and michael if anybody you go watch his speeches on uh on youtube they're all over the place and he's got a great sense of humor and he was he was what noam chomsky people pretend he is right exactly yeah he was the real deal he was you know what a fraud you know how you could tell that uh so michael parenti uh got kicked out of academia right in the 70s and he couldn't get a job and he was blacklisted he was uh because he spoke up against the vietnam war stuff like that and that's how you know he's the real deal noam chomsky had a job forever at mit no no problem and he was never his job was never threatened and so he was what you know what chomsky taught me that the there's the overton winner there's as far left as you can go right so they'll have on people on the cable news shows to talk about war it's never hey we shouldn't have a war it's always like well how much war should we have and that and you have those exactly and so chomsky was there to go you can't go any farther than him so if you go farther left than him then you're a crazy nut you're a conspiracy theorist yes and he was the one you know who said doesn't who cares who killed president kennedy that's what chomsky said yeah who cared who cares who cares who overthrew our government who did a coup on our government who cares that so that's a cia talking about same thing you know he just uh repeated back that the 9-11 happened exactly the way george bush said it did to dick cheney who by the way when they were asked about it uh testified in secret behind closed doors not under oath and together so uh so yeah so i i chomsky said he affirmed the official story of 9-11 yeah yeah so um that's why you should i advocate that's a radical that's a radical and i always tell people you know uh what woke me up to it was like i'm not an engineer but i saw building seven first of all it was broadcast 20 minutes that have had fallen down by bbc before it ever fell they go ahead and um and then you're like wait a minute this building that wasn't hit by a plane a plane hit a building 200 yards away from it very far away and then it fell into its own footprint uh like out of sympathy for the other buildings like what and so that's what i knew something was up and i start when i started my first comedy podcast in 2007 with uh with todd glass and um my wife steph and i was talked about i talked about that and people like jimmy does a crazy conspiracy there's i'm like what and then even people like rosie o'donnell would bring it up on the view i don't know if you remember that no yeah she was like building seven and i'm like i i know i'm onto something right and so you know whenever you're not allowed to question something that's when you know they're up to something of course and i experienced that with seth rich so seth rich by the way still not solved nobody knows [00:19:13] Speaker 1: who killed him it's a robbery in which nothing was it was a botched robbery where they didn't take [00:19:18] Speaker 2: his watch they didn't take his wallet they didn't take his phone and uh i was just asking normal questions about the seth so the the theory was that when wikileaks um published the emails right they said it was russia hacked into the dnc server but the theory was that uh this guy was upset that they had rigged the primary against bernie sanders he was a real patriot and so he had downloaded those onto a thumbnail and he gave him some through an intermediary gave it to wikileaks and julian [00:19:47] Speaker 1: assange all but confirmed it he did all all but confirm it he didn't strictly speaking confirm it [00:19:52] Speaker 2: but he basically confirmed basically confirmed it right he was like we don't give away our [00:19:56] Speaker 1: our sources you know and but i'm very concerned about seth rich's murder which is by the way still on youtube and worth watching because julian assange is maybe the smartest person i've ever met yeah yeah and really a smart person and talk about guts right he's he's um he's yes i think people who on the left for years people are free julian assange i didn't pay that much attention and then i got to know julian assange and i realized julian assange is way more of a hero even than people [00:20:26] Speaker 2: pretended he was yes very much and i was very flattered his family came to see me when i was in australia really yeah when i was in melbourne they showed up so it's a it was a very wonderful man [00:20:36] Speaker 1: anyway um but he basically confirmed the seth rich story the crazed conspiracy theory so seth rich [00:20:43] Speaker 2: there's all these there's all these questions about his murder right like where was he when he left the bar to the time he got murdered there's hours where was he what was he doing nobody and so there's all this stuff and how come there's no there's no video of this there's no this where's his computer how come we can't see and uh so i did i was covered i was at the young turks at the time and i was covered it and uh then the washington post put me in a hit piece right that i was crazy conspiracy theorist and they put me in a hit piece this is when legacy media was afraid of youtube taking away their viewers and so they would run these hit pieces on youtubers and i was one of them and they put me in with like look at all these there's nazis on youtube there's white supremacists on youtube there's all this hey your kids are going down rabbit holes they're being radicalized on youtube and they put me in there and they put about uh seth rich right and um so and i don't even want i don't want to even mention the guy who did it but uh the guy who did it works for the washington post and uh he was he's the guy uh he did pro-war rallies for the iraq war right when he was in college yeah and uh and of course that's the guy jeff bezos taps to go cover progressive politics that is the guy and so anyway he puts me in this hit piece and uh nobody really had my back on it and i remember i was on a panel one day uh on the young turks with uh cenk uger and um ben makowitz other people and i and i said to him can you remember the last time a reporter wasn't allowed to ask questions about an unsolved murder and they're like well they didn't know and i'm like of course this is crazy and so people would slander me jimmy door's a seth rich conspiracy theorist right and uh and the big thing was uh you're not supposed to ask questions because it hurts the family and it's upsetting their family really i've been watching john f kennedy get his head blown off since i was a kid what about his family nobody seems to care uh no that's right so that's how you know that was so [00:22:40] Speaker 1: then was all of us have a right to justice for all american citizens like that's our country's promise so it's not about i mean i respect the family i feel obviously bad for them their son was murdered you don't want to offend people unnecessarily but it's not about a family it's about the nation right yeah do we have a country where murders are solved or do we have a country in which investigations into murders are thwarted for political reasons you can't have that country [00:23:06] Speaker 2: uh yeah i don't i remember jackie o coming out and saying stop looking into this [00:23:11] Speaker 1: stop she didn't say that america's 250th birthday is this year have you thought about how you're going to celebrate well here's a great idea the entire family can enjoy angel studios and wonder project have made something genuinely rare a film about george washington before he became president before the myth was created a young man navigating failure and war and near death being forged into leader who would eventually found this nation what makes it worth seeing isn't just the story which is amazing it's that the filmmakers are not embarrassed to buy the story so there's no revisionism no cynicism just a bold 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then they're like okay we have it but we can't get the information out okay they're like okay we got the information but uh we can't release it because of the ongoing investigation and uh so so they lied three times and then the judge there was a judge that ordered them to release the contents they ignored it a second judge said you got to release it they still they still haven't released it so it's been now 10 years 10 or 11 years since he got murdered we still don't know the contents so that's how you know they're up to something and you know there was something to that and we know for a fact that russia did not hack into the dnc server i know i brought bill beanie on my show was the number one code breaker for the nsa for decades and he immediately i brought him on my show in 2016 to debunk this and he said yeah if this if they did this if this was an outside source he said there would be all these uh telltale signs that they did it there and i'm you know i'm not a code breaker but he would go and there's none of them are there so this was local so this meaning it was downloaded onto a thumb drive it wasn't exactly and that's how i knew russiagate was a scam and russiagate served many purposes one of them was to to keep trump from being the populist he ran on the first time yes and second part was to get people ready for the war in ukraine because they had that in the chamber for over a decade and so it propagated i remember when george bush said he met putin and i looked into his eyes and he i saw he's a good man yeah i'll never forget it and then they're like hey we got it what are you doing we got to stop that right they would go fishing together on kenny bunkboard and stuff and so putin was our friend and then they're like no no we got to have a war because you know black rock vanguard and state street they want to balkanize russia they want to split it up and sell it off for parts which is what they do right and they thought they were going to be able to do that with the ukraine war and as uh angela merkel revealed that when they had the peace agreements in ukraine that that wasn't really for peace that was just so the ukraine had the time to build up their military to get ready for this war that they provoked from putin and so but people don't know that in the united people don't know anything because the people who want that war own the media and then people like me who know that and i tell that story i'm called considered borderline content on youtube and they call me a conspiracy theorist on wikipedia even though i was right about it and just like i was right about the syrian gas attacks which now the opcw admits that they suppressed the whistleblowers um but they i mean literally they had you go to wikipedia they would say jimmy door is a conspiracy theorist because cnn says that the the gas attacks happen the way that and i'm like yeah that's all garbage and so anyway um they're smart they just like michael parenti said they only care about what you think which is why they control the media so they can control what you think right and you don't get a 35 million dollar contract for debunking russiagate you get a 35 million dollar contract like rachel maddow got for pushing russiagate in fact when the war started in iran i watched the video of hers she's still blaming putin she's saying he's doing the bidding of as if putin wanted that to happen because now he gets to sell oil at a higher price yeah that was an unintended consequence of this war trump had to take the sanctions off of russia and uh so and anyway but if you're rachel maddow why not just come out against the war [00:28:04] Speaker 1: in iran i mean that was a pure trump thing and bb everybody in your audience hates trump and bb so [00:28:12] Speaker 2: why wouldn't you just say that um why blame putin that's like insane because they have to keep that war going i guess and she's a puppet of the military industrial again you don't get a 35 million dollar contract this is what she got uh for telling the truth you know tucker i use you as an example all the time you know they you don't get fired for lying he got fired when he started to tell the truth about the neocons and the military industrial complex the syrian war which is when you and i first connected because we were the two people telling the truth you were the only other person [00:28:43] Speaker 1: and i thought am i going insane there's no evidence that this happened i don't even know assad i didn't have strong feelings about assad um he's certainly better than what we have now in syria but i i was just like this just seems as like a reporting matter like a lie and you were the only [00:28:58] Speaker 2: other person saying that the only other person i remember doing a video and i said boy when if it comes down to me and tucker telling the truth about this we're screwed and of course we are screwed because now al-qaeda runs syria exactly exactly as i predicted exactly as tulsi gabbard predicted i know that if you get rid of assad who's going to take over al-qaeda or isis by the way which we're funding and probably created so and isn't it interesting that isis and al-qaeda the sworn enemies of israel never attack israel isn't that interesting it is kind of weird yeah it's kind of it's almost like they invented them for a purpose people don't care people don't i talk about this people don't care especially my you know my ex-friends in hollywood they have no idea about any of this stuff they don't know that the so they see a guy who's running uh uh syria now and he's got a blue brooks brothers suit on and he's meeting with the president and he's meeting with petraeus he's over at downing street and they're like yeah he's he's our guy like you know he's the he's the former head chopper from syria from al-qaeda right like huh what i don't know they all look like cash patel [00:30:02] Speaker 1: i don't know what's going on you know so uh it's funny even the the gulf arabs um when he took when jelani took over syria they were they were more uncomfortable than our state department our state department was like yeah okay it's totally fine because the israelis wanted it but even the gulf arabs were like oh this guy's pretty scary like really we going with this and qaddafi predicted all [00:30:27] Speaker 2: this and that's why they had to kill him too oh yeah he predicted he gave a speech at the arab league where he talked about you know you don't think they're going to come for you next they're coming for you and they did and they came for him because well he he was a threat to the uh petrodollar because he was going to create the dinar right and the most successful country in all of africa and he was going to unite africa and they can't have that because they want to go in there you know as michael parentes says it's not a poor uh continent it's a very rich continent and uh they just keep the people poor so we can extract all their uh resources which is what they do and so he was gonna he was gonna unite the people of africa and they can't have that because that would be a threat to the euro it'd be a threat to the u.s dollar and so that's why he had to go plus he said if you get rid of me they're gonna flood western europe he thought he was safe because if they got rid of him then all the refugees uh would go flood but it turns out that's exactly what they wanted of exactly and why do they want that they want that for the because they again they want you hating your neighbor they want you to be afraid of your neighbor and fighting so just like in the united states why did they have open borders and um i'm you know very pro-immigrant you know um but the reason why they want to flood the country with is for to by the way bernie sanders used to be uh uh against open borders of course and he would say it's a cult it's a cook brothers scam of course and of course lower wages lower wages and then keeping poor workers fighting against even poor more desperate people exactly instead of coming together realizing your common interests and fighting against the oligarchy and what i tell people is if you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you pretty good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you and so that's why i said you don't blame the immigrant because you would do exactly what they're doing i agree completely i would do i would do whatever i could to get into united states percent yeah i would lie cheat and steal i'd walk from tegusagalpa any day that's right to give my kids a better life and myself and so that's what they did in europe so you go there and it's to dilute the culture uh and get people um fighting amongst each other so you don't come together and fight the man and but qaddafi thought that and he thought that they didn't want that i didn't realize that they wanted that and as soon as they realized that they wanted that he was gone so there was many reasons to get rid of him and of course you know hillary clinton famously said oh yeah we came we saw he died and she giggled about it because they're blood-soaked psychopaths i don't think that's an overstatement it's not an overstatement at all are you kidding me they they're all for the iraq where they killed a million people right in the iraq war and uh look what they did to libya the most now it's got open slave markets still to this day then nobody cares they they used uh plutonium tip bombs so qaddafi took desert and turned it into farmland he created a water system which is considered like the eighth wonder of the world and they bombed it they bombed it with depleted uranium tip bombs why uh to make it a failed state uh and so now the water is polluted with uh you know uranium and was that nato yeah that's the good guys yeah the defensive alliance yeah the defensive alliance right uk france and the united states we were we were the good guys that's what people think just i never forget uh when tulsi was running for um president and he what she went on uh stephen colbert uh who's one of the biggest disappointments ever to comedy and he said when she was telling the truth about syria right and she was saying you know we shouldn't be doing this regime change wars and stuff and he leaned over and he said i see america as a force for good in the world with a straight face with a straight face that's a grown-up man who's been in comedy his whole life you think america's a force do you have you looked around the world we have a thousand military bases what has that gotten anybody did you see what we did to iraq do you see what we did to libya do you see what we're currently doing the series he didn't it's all again that's why you get those jobs because that's the what you're gonna say if exactly if they said something like i was gonna say i i wouldn't get that job that the people like me don't get on tv like that a lot of people 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dot co slash tucker use code tucker for 35 off that's dose daily dot co slash tucker code tucker for 35 off it's worth it so i not to like sidebar here but [00:35:49] Speaker 2: what about colbert who i always thought was talented extremely he did the best show ever i liked his show way better than the daily show when he did the colbert report yeah and then he became that guy what the guy that he was who knows uh your guess is i'm not a psychiatrist but uh he became the thing he used to lampoon he became that guy and um he just repeats military industrial complex uh talking points you know he's he's he helped to build up the the momentum for their ukraine war and they and then like you know i said it about john stewart too you know john stewart who can supremely talented these people are supremely talented but he'll never tell his audience the truth about the ukraine war just like he'll never tell people why he hung a medal on a nazi at disney world right uh and he told the truth about the the the virus the covid virus on colbert i remember that which colbert kept trying to stop him and cut take the legs out from underneath his comedy but which was brilliant he had to literally get off the couch and walk towards the camera so he could finish his comedy bit about where the covid virus came from do you remember this very well yes and so he paid a big social price for that john stewart he did yeah and so he talked about boy i didn't i i found i found out that uh i didn't know that certain medicines were political we're talking about ivermectin and there's a right-wing medicine he talked about this um and then to make up for that he had to give a tongue bath to hillary clinton and condoleezza rice i don't know if you remember that no yeah which we that's penance that is penance and then he had to hang hang a medal on a nazi at disney world which he'll never go anywhere where anybody will ask and god by the way i'm a big fan of john stewart's and but i just don't you know chris hedges told told me when the first time he came on my show was that i'm like john stewart's great he takes down both sides when he's like he'll never challenge the establishment jimmy which is why he's there and i'm like uh in a meaningful way and that's true and that's why he's allowed to go on those tv shows and and have a tv show uh i mean same thing with bill maher right if if they were [00:37:56] Speaker 1: really a threat they wouldn't be there they're not a threat but bill maher i mean bill maher not you know i don't want to be mean but not a talented guy i remember going to his house and he has this amazing house um and it's like wow you've really on the basis of very little native talent i mean literally i know comedians no one's ever heard of who are like kind of geniuses not the case for bill maher this was 25 almost 30 years ago i first thought this and i was like wow this guy how did he get so [00:38:27] Speaker 2: successful so remember when he did tell the truth when he had that show i'll never forget it yeah so he told the truth about well the the hijackers on 9-11 weren't cowards he said you could say whatever you want about them but they you know they gave up their own life for a cause and that's the opposite and boy oh boy did he pay a price fan he got his mind right immediately and so they canceled him and the story i've heard was that um his management company also represented um the sopranos right and so uh hbo wanted the sopranos bad and so they said okay we'll give the sopranos which you have to give bill maher a show and that's how he got his show on hbo and just like george costanza said on seinfeld when they were pitching a tv show on that sitcom that they asked george costanza why would anybody want to watch this and he goes because it's on tv and that's why people watch bill maher because he's on tv and um and he gets big name guests right which i'm jealous of no doubt about it um but uh he he won't bring on people every time he brings on someone that's to his left he gets schooled and he gets embarrassed like glenn greenwald when glenn greenwald has schooled him hard i've showed that video many times glenn's amazing and i can't believe he had glenn on that was back in 2011 or 2010 and he's never had him on again of course not yeah so anytime he has someone uh to his left people don't like to you know people who consider themselves liberal the last thing they want to do is be challenged from their left and so he'll never bring but bill maher that's why he's he's he loves to have be friends with like ann coulter and people like that uh but he's not going to do that the other way and um so yeah that's what that's what we're left with and that's how he got that job and um that's why and nobody knows the ratings of hbo right they don't they don't release them a subscription but um and uh you know i'll say fully that uh i'm i'm jealous of the influence he gets to have on the culture and i'm i would i and i'm jealous that he has that show there's no but it's waning for sure nobody likes him that's the weird thing right no you know and my wife always says can we at least have somebody who's fun to look at if he's going to be wrong about everything [00:40:38] Speaker 1: i do think though the gaza tragedy has forced people into sunlight kind of because like if you're defending that you don't have to hate israel or you know have any kind of wacky views but like how could you defend that how could a normal person defend that you're not a normal person if you're defending that i think tucker do you don't think israel's right to defend itself i think everybody has a right to defend himself i just like that's genocide that's murdering children so and i think a person who's like likes israel loves israel even could say yeah i love israel but like i love america but i'm not going to defend the grotesque things that our country has done why would i defend that exactly i degrade myself and i lie when i do that so why couldn't you say yeah i really love israel you know but that's disgusting what they're starving people who didn't do anything wrong [00:41:29] Speaker 2: like how could you defend that and people don't know that there's a thing called the greater israel project which i didn't know i didn't i didn't know most of this stuff until october 7th right yeah i i mean i had covered when israel would go in and mow the lawn you know i would cover how horrible that was but i didn't really understand the genesis of it and i didn't understand what was going on and uh but i after october 7th i did now i now understand i understand that you know that israel was founded by terrorists organizations and there was a thing called the nakba and that uh they say it was invented so because of the holocaust and that's not why because zionism been around since the early 1800s yes that's right it has nothing to do with that that was always a problem and they couldn't get you know they couldn't get people to move to the middle of debt and people nobody wanted to get the jews didn't want to go there so they had to make a deal with hitler and to to get people to go so it's i i know all that stuff now and i know that it's uh you know why a two-state solution isn't the solution and uh you have to have a one-state solution which bernie sanders a video just went around of him uh saying that he doesn't support a one-state solution because then israel wouldn't be a jewish state what and he was and i support israel he said this is this is our this is our you know progressive lefty leader i was shocked by that video was that real that's real yeah but he was uh you know he was also two years earlier to that video he was uh talking to ezra klein and he said yeah you know open borders are that's a that's a koch brothers so it just it's amazing the the real but he's always been a warmonger he was you know bernie sanders he was he was for [00:43:00] Speaker 1: kosovo and all that stuff he was yeah it's sad bernie sanders i'm i saw one bernie sanders speech in person and it was a you know in iowa when he was running in 16 and it was all about the oligarchy's bad and you know at the time i had pretty conventional views but i've never been for oligarchy why would i be for that as the enemy of democracy so i was like you know and i know a lot of billionaires and some are nice but most are like gravely overrated and like i kind of liked his speech you know it's pure economic populism yeah and then so i thought yeah i get it and by the way the audience was not all like i don't know people playing hacky sack or hippies or whatever it was like normal people and that really kind of when he was on the anti-oligarch tour totally isn't it amazing [00:43:48] Speaker 2: that he didn't do any of those anti-oligarch tours when joe biden was president i know kind of amazing all of a sudden oligarchy is a problem now kamala harris and joe biden had more billionaire donors than trump did but somehow now it's a problem and uh what uh what else they didn't show you was that there were pro-palestinian protesters that they had kicked out of those rallies actually yeah so i missed [00:44:09] Speaker 1: so much of the detail because it's that's not my world and i didn't expect to feel that way about it [00:44:14] Speaker 2: anyway what i don't understand is so i went to the 2016 i was a big bernie sanders yeah yeah and just for the record i'm pretty sure he did oppose the iraq war so i don't want people going he was okay but um you know he played into the propaganda for the ukraine war and and a certain sir and anyway he won't call it a genocide anyway so uh in gaza so uh but i was a big bernie guys a bit and um i i believed in him right and which is a hard lesson don't believe in politicians amen oh i've i've learned that lesson yes oh boy it's a tough one and um so i went to the democratic convention in philadelphia right liberty bell and uh it was great you walked into the convention and half the place was filled with bernie supporters who wanted to overthrow the establishment get money out of politics overthrow the uh the corporatists inside the party and give it back to the people it was amazing that it was real it was a ruckus it was a real ruckus i was there i remember and they turned the lights out on people they used sound can all kinds of stuff right i was there you were there yeah yeah oh it was it was invigorating i'm like this is it they we got them the next time we're going to have a convention they can't stop this this is a trick well what they did was they got bernie sanders so uh bernie sanders tucks his tail he endorses hillary clinton and he extracts not one concession for doing so nothing he didn't ask for anything for him for his supporters to vote for hillary clinton and it was because trump right which you know the democrats they say they hate trump but they love him because they're there that's just their biggest fundraiser is donald trump donald trump goes away how are they gonna so they have to make another so not only did he do that but he did nothing with his movement right so he had half the people who voted in the democratic primary on his side probably more because he got cheated so he did nothing he didn't ask just like barack obama when he got elected he disbanded his followers right his young people same thing with bernie sanderson he didn't say all right what we're going to do is we're going to shut it down we're going to have a protest here we're going to have a protest there we're going to go occupy walter we're going to occupy the dnc we're going to make sure they get corporate he didn't ask them to do anything anything and that's how you know and that he was corrupted and co-opted put it that way and so uh same thing happened in 2020 they all got together cheated him uh in in a different way this time and uh he again he just endorsed joe biden without asking any because nothing we didn't get a public option we didn't get to raise the minimum wage we didn't get nothing and um so and he didn't ask his followers to do anything and he still won't ask his followers to do anything just like aoc they won't say get in the street they won't say go protest here [00:46:57] Speaker 1: go protest there they're playing along they're good boys what's aoc's game what do you think she [00:47:03] Speaker 2: actually she's a narcissist who's using politics for celebrities she could easily be an actress in hollywood yeah 100 yeah does she have a shot at the nomination do you think uh you know of course i think i i mean why wouldn't she i mean she got up there and and she lied at the at the dn so so let me get back to that so they didn't have a convention in 2020 right because of covid so 2016 they have this convention it looks like the people are going to take over the democratic party and return it back to the workers that's what i thought i thought there's no way they can stop this this is a trade that can't be stopped so then they don't have a convention in 2020 uh birdie capitulates asked for nothing again and then the next time they have a convention was 2024 i went to that one in chicago and you walk in and i'm sure i told you it was like i was at a stepford wives convention nobody can i go i would interview people and i would say how do you feel about them not having a primary and just appointing kamala harris they're like yeah but we have a process that's what they would say to a person they would go no we had she followed the process and we have a process i'm like yeah but that process doesn't involve voting doesn't that bother you didn't bother anybody seth rich was part of the process yeah and they you know was just one billionaire after another billionaire giving speeches at the democratic convention and to show you how how failed bernie sanders and his movement is uh our revolution which was the political organization he founded is now and you know who they're endorsing in the governor's race in california who tom steyer a billionaire not really yes a billionaire made his money in private prisons so uh that's how bad it's gotten uh so there's i i hate to say this but you know and unless workers rise up in a real way they're like so if if so that's why i think trump knows he kind of has to end this war because if gas prices go to 10 a gallon which they could easily go to easily um that uh it will people are like hey i can't afford to do any i can't afford to go anywhere i can't afford to even drive to work so that would be that the paid would be so great at that moment maybe people would rise up in unison and um so we'll see well but that's what it takes that's what it's gonna take so yeah so 24 convention it was just like a step but i was like oh so it's all they got it it's all over and then and then you know the aoc goes on stage and says kamala harris is working tirelessly to end the to get a peace deal they weren't doing anything right she even said i'm not gonna i wouldn't change anything that joe biden did she said that on when she ran the view i wouldn't change anything so um a woman who the first time she ran for president could get a vote she had to drop out she was like the first one to drop out never forget it and then she becomes the vice president and then she becomes a nominee and still nobody voted for her so and because i criticize democrats because i was a democrat my whole life until 2016 um people immediately go well if you're not if you're going to criticize the democrats you must be a republican you must be a trumper you must be that i'm like no no i i republicans never asked for my vote uh democrats did and they i got tricked by them i got tricked by bernie sanders i got tricked by aoc hard i was the first tv show she came on well i wouldn't call it a tv show but that was the first show she came on and she tweeted out i was on jimmy door show today and all that stuff and then as soon as she got elected she never returned a phone call never no way no no way in fact when i held her to her campaign promise with forced to vote which was trying to get them to extract something from nancy pelosi for their vote as her first speaker when there was only eight so they it was called forced to vote and it was a watershed moment because it proved that no matter how many progressives you elect inside the democratic party they're not going to do what you want them to do they're not going to even do what they campaigned on very much like trump they're going to go along with the establishment they wouldn't oppose nancy pelosi they wouldn't extract anything and the thing that they everybody agreed in the democratic party for decades including nancy pelosi that we need to have a vote for medicare for all on the floor of the house not that it would pass but that it would expose the people who were fakers saying they were for it and it would start a national conversation about it and people would get informed about what it actually is and it would help build the movement for it and they wouldn't do that they all ran on it it was in the dsa uh handbook from 2019 they opposed it they opposed and she ran on it she said we can't even get a vote for medicare think about that she said at a campaign rally think about that we can't even get a vote for medicare for all on the house floor she said that so i'm like boom this is the thing to do and so when i started to force the vote and i got a big coalition of people behind it and uh she said i was committing um stochastic violence against her no way i've never really understood what that term means it means that uh you're exposing them for being hypocrites and so they have to try to discredit you some way that's what that means so you're you're a terrorist for so i'm using so i'm i'm in i'm inciting violence against them with words that's what that's what they're trying to say and because i said f i said faoc and uh she used that as a that's because that's not politics that's stochastic violence okay so what about newsom i think he's fantastic don't you think he's great i think he cares about the people i think it's great i think he's gonna he's he's gonna make the country look as pretty as his hair that's what i think does he i mean it feels like he's the nominee we'll see i mean he's got he's got the gift of the gab oh he's unbelievable he really he really knows how to to you know it's like obama like i would feel better after after obama gave a speech i feel good and i know he's full of it and i would feel better even it's weird he has that and he'll say [00:52:51] Speaker 1: literally anything literally anything and he's fun to talk to like he's a very uh he's very charming like i will say yeah yeah he does all those movements all the time and he's got the hand thing and but is he in any sense like different from chuck schumer or pelosi or anybody like that [00:53:08] Speaker 2: no they're all no you don't get to be there if you are you you're not allowed to be the nominee if you are if you don't go along and play along you know you don't you know that's why um in 2016 you know just like brexit uh that they democracy happened and they were like whoa we got to make sure this doesn't happen when trump got uh the nomination they're like we can't let this happen again right and same thing with brexit we can't and so it's all the crackdown on free speech and anti-democratic stuff and uh they did russiagate which again already told you served dual purposes and then they got and trump got his mind right and and now trump is one of them and the people that he used to call out people he he got elected for calling out neocons oh yeah that was his thing people like yes fine there's a guy now he's the chief neocon and people say and i have to push back on this a lot of people you know i have i still have friends in hollywood that i go to dinner with and they're good people because they you know they they have the right intentions but they don't realize they're propagandized and their whole thing is oh these idiots who voted for how did you not know he's the biggest con man in the world and i go well he did have a first term his first term where he didn't start any new wars yeah so he was the first president in decades that didn't start a new war everybody gets two wars right and uh you know clinton bush brock obama he expanded the afghanistan war and he got to do syria plus he did the drone wars which killed 90 innocent people and um and he dropped more bombs than george bush people don't know that the brock obama dropped more bombs than george bush and so and then trump got in and he didn't do it you're like what and then he you know he wanted to pull troops out of syria and we find out that the military lied to him and said they did and they didn't right you know about that story of course and so it was like so he had a track record and i did not nobody saw that so people say they saw it coming that he was always a con man um yeah what politician isn't a con man yes right and but his his particular presidential campaign was the biggest con i've seen since nigerian princes learned how to email [00:55:19] Speaker 1: it was amazing and people even more clever than any nigerian prince i've ever been emailed by [00:55:25] Speaker 2: he got people way smarter than me uh convinced and you know and uh i didn't vote for trump i never voted for republican i voted for dave chapelle i wrote him in and um but uh but people think people who think people think i did campaign rallies for donald trump i didn't know campaign well i [00:55:42] Speaker 1: actually did yeah i know a number of them yeah yeah um then to wake up and substantively he's no different from chuck schumer on economics and foreign policy or lindsey graham or lindsey or lindsey graham um and you're like yeah but chuck schumer is like from for the for the republican brain is like you know evil yeah and it's like where do trump and chuck schumer disagree on the biggest issues and [00:56:10] Speaker 2: they don't and so they both want to keep you away from health care yeah they both want to do foreign wars uh they both uh support israel unconditionally uh and what they're doing um they they both want to crush a worker strike yeah so that was why it was so important for biden and the democrats to crush that railroad strike because that would have set the template and an example just like the truckers in canada they'd had to stop that immediately call them nazis and white supremacists and they had to debank them and shut down they had to do that because they didn't want that catching on oh yeah and just like michael parenti said they only care about what you think and if you see that and you start to think different thoughts than the media wants you they got a problem and so that's why they crushed that railroad worker strike immediately and so that again this is what we need we need workers to realize that we have and and you know there's this thing now aoc wouldn't join with marjorie taylor green to oppose the genocide in in gaza and she's like well she's white supreme or whatever you know this whole thing and you know that's not how you organize right and i i experienced that when we had the anti right after the ukraine war started we had an anti-war rally in washington dc and code pink wouldn't wouldn't join it code pink their whole thing is the biggest war and they wouldn't join it because there were certain speakers on the lineup that they didn't feel uh agreed with their views on lgbtq come on and i'm like and i'm like so that revealed code and i love medea benjamin yeah i do too uh but that organization just proved themselves to be a bunch of cosplaying women totally fraudulent fraud because that's not how you or everybody knows that right that's not how it's like well i'd like to stop a nuclear war but not with those people you know what i mean that's it so it's like that's that's what gives it power when you are able to join with people who you don't agree with on other things and vehemently disagree on other things and you come around a single idea that's what gives it the power if it's just people that agree with you on everything they can dismiss you and say oh those are those crazy lefties but if you have these uh right-wingers who don't agree with you that's what gives it power and it's like i talk up you know i've been in unions all my life and what uh here's how you don't organize a union you don't go to the shop floor and say hey uh who's here as a gun nut all right you're out who here doesn't who here doesn't agree with the trans agenda all right you're out who here's uh who doesn't agree with uh uh medicare for all okay you're out who doesn't agree on the war okay you're out all right now i'm going to organize who's left that's not how it works no and christian smalls proved that when he organized a bunch of right-wingers on on staten island bunch of trump voters to go against jeff bezos and the oligarchy you know that's not how you you go you go hey we have a common interest and our common interest is against the man and so we can forget about those other issues and and we can work on those later but right now we have a bigger issue and the bigger issue is to oppose this guy so we can get decent working conditions we can get health care we can get a decent wage that helps lift everybody's boat and so that's what they don't want you to know that's that's the thing that again that's the only thing that scares people and i have you know my audience is made up of so i and i meet them every when i go out and tour the country i was just in raleigh i was just in atlanta i was just in uh you know i was i was in houston i was in dallas i was in albacore i'd go everywhere and i disaffected democrats and disaffected republicans and the people uh the the disaffected maga people are there there's you know they feel so betrayed and you know that's that thing about oh they're such idiots it's such combat it's like so if i if i'd like i tell him he at least he had a track record and at least he would give lip service to the things that of course they wouldn't even give lip service to it kamala harris wouldn't even give you lip service well he was also being persecuted [00:59:59] Speaker 1: literally persecuted by the establishment so the idea that he would join with the establishment against his own voters seemed like crazy that could never happen they're trying to send him to prison for life so you're like that those were his bona fides his suffering at the hands of the establishment you never thought he would join them at least that's my own thinking that's exactly right in january 6 which [01:00:19] Speaker 2: we now exactly which we now know is a fbi psyop totally and uh clay higgins exposed that and um on your show even yeah and um but even before that he was you know questioning the the fbi director and uh hey how many how many fbi assets did you have inside the capital before the riot started uh i can't tell you that what the answer should be none you would think yeah so of course that and so they did the same playbook in brazil by the way so again i know you don't have to be a trump fan or a bolsonaro fan to realize that if they could do it to those people they'll do it to anybody which is what i tried to tell cornell west when he came on my show i know and he wouldn't listen to it you know why if you don't think if they can do this to donald trump that they're not going to do it to you if you ever become a threat or they'll do it to bernie sanders if he ever becomes a threat or jill stein or anybody anybody becomes a threat they're going to use the exact same playbook on january 6 they did it to bolsonaro they had a fake insurgency that overtook the capital and they made it illegal for him to run for president and the same thing they were trying to do to donald trump but they couldn't they he because he didn't cross that line he didn't tell people to go he did so anyway um uh that and people don't realize still till to this day people don't realize that that it was uh uh the the fbi did that the fbi's not your friend the fbi it's amazing what the what trump did to the left trump got the left to go along with the fbi all of a sudden they're the good guys at the cia they're the good guys it's amazing we know that the fbi infiltrates every lefty organization and we we know and and this idea that um it's we have to worry about right-wing uh terrorists inside the united states well nine out of ten if not 99 out of a hundred of those terrorist happenings are invented by the fbi just like the whitmers uh exactly is you know they were going to kidnap her turns out nine out of the 13 people in the van were fbi of course i mean this they do this with all this is over and over and over again and so you know we're a victim of our and and the same thing with big pharma the people who went from uh from protesting gmos at our food flipped and went for don't you question big pharma over the vaccine how dare you don't you even question vaccines don't you are like what science that don't do your own research which means don't read and it's the it's the most anti-intellectual thing and people just accept it you know that's what dictators do you that's the you know the church didn't want you to read the bible you had to go through the the priesthood that's right that's why it didn't allow slaves to learn how to read it was illegal and they and you got people who consider themselves liberal repeating that don't do your own research don't look into things just trust the government trust the government and trust big pharma and now we know they lied about everything and those people still don't know anything they still think ivermectin is a horse paste actually yes people tell me uh on on uh social media all the time you ruined your reputation over ivermectin i go did it ever occur to you that you were lied to about ivermectin did it ever occur to you that it's won the nobel prize for human medicine that it's on the who list of essential medicines it's been prescribed a billion times for humans say billions alive did it ever occur to you that before covet they were looking at it to cure cancer and now there's credible study after credible study that it does cure cancer the last one that 80 of the people who took ivermectin for their cancer saw either a complete remission no growth in their tumor or or uh or recession or i don't know what that that's a 80 uh so that you've been lied to about ivermectin and people well now chris cuomo will admit that he was he goes well they lied to us yeah chris that's why you're supposed to be the journalist and you're not supposed to repeat what they tell you exactly you're supposed to actually look into it which would take five seconds for you to look it up on google what is ivermectin but of course he didn't do that he just him and don lemon would just scoff at joe they had to think about this they had to they had to a color joe rogan skin green cnn did that when he got coveted to man he got better right away and he did a video they colored his skin green you know that right of course yeah so that's what a threat that's a threat to the establishment and so why would they do that why would they why would they lie about ivermectin and say it's horse paste why do you think they did that they did that because it could treat covid and then they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for the vaccine that's why they did that same thing with hydroxychloroquine they wouldn't even let doctors prescribe steroids at the beginning of covid i know that because my doctor told me that and uh she did it anyway she went she gave people and and they came there and go hey why are you giving studies she said because my patients are living and your patients are dying and so i've been i've been lucky to have good doctors yeah and you saw it early i got vaccine injured yeah and that's what so i wouldn't i didn't know i didn't know that they would lie about a virus i didn't know that they would lie about i did i i bought all the stuff about vaccines and everybody i didn't i didn't know that there was never actually a placebo test for any of the vaccines i never questioned that they give 72 shots to a baby from the time it's a baby to the time it's 18 and for a vaccine i never questioned why did they give the hepatitis b vaccine the first shot they give to a baby you only can catch hepatitis from intravenous drug use or unprotected sex are there a lot of horror babies running around hospitals is that what's happening uh so uh and people don't ever think about that i was at a hollywood party and i was talking to a doctor and this is before the election he's where i'm really worried about rfk is going to take away our vaccines and i said to him do you know how many vaccines that you have to take now on the schedule he's what i go 72 and his jaw hit the floor and i go you know the first one just like i said it's hepatitis b he's like what why would they do that i go what do you think they do that for money what do you think because they can't get people to take it so they just put it on the vaccine schedule that's how that's how it got on there read the midwestern doctor's [01:06:16] Speaker 1: blog you know explains everything the midwestern doctor's blog i just want to plug that um anyone who hasn't read that unsubstack midwestern doctor yeah he's uh i don't think he uses his name no right he's a kind of a genius and a very decent person yeah well does his own research it does his own he reads he reads he reads studies so speaking of i just i have to ask you about this because it's not related anything we've been talking about but um we're talking at breakfast about carl jung the famous psychoanalyst um who is often described as the protege of sigmund freud but [01:06:57] Speaker 2: a little more complicated right exactly no he they're completely different he broke with [01:07:02] Speaker 1: with freud big time in fact freud disowned him yes and hated him and was jealous of him um who was he [01:07:10] Speaker 2: why do you read him so carl jung by the way it's very interesting how it connects to covid because he he realized that your psyche has a need for the sacred and the religion and he said if you don't have that if you don't have a connection to that that you will uh project it outward and what's exactly what happened so you know liberals the people i know in hollywood they're not um you know spiritual religious and so they turn science into a religion yes and they turn fauci into their deity and so you can't question it you can't question religion you're a heretic so you can't question science don't do your own research don't read the bible don't read the re all that it's a say it was this and i saw it happen right in front of my face and so carl jung is he was way ahead of his time and so uh we had we share the same birthday which he would say is a synchronicity um but uh i had a quote from him on my fridge for years and i never understood it and and but it stayed on your fridge yeah because i guess i had a feeling there was some too and he said you know about enlightenment doesn't come from imagining forms of light it comes from making the darkness conscious and until you make the darkness conscious it will control your life and you'll call it fate and so it's all about all the parts of ourselves that are split off and we put into our unconscious or our shadow self and then we project it so the things we hate the most and the things we love the most are really a religious experience religious meaning rejoining so we project a part of ourselves that's in our unconscious onto a thing onto another person and that's why you see the people who were the most animated in their hatred for trump had trump in their shadow right that's the part of them that they yes you know keith olbermann you know people those kind of people right so they have that and so they project it because that's the part of themselves they hate the most right and so same thing when you love something like when a male falls in love that you know love at first sight that's you're projecting a thing called your anima that's your female side that's in your unconscious and you project it onto another person and you feel that like you're being energized from the inside because you are and uh and then you get married and then of course the projections fall off and you're like who's this person that's what happens to a lot of people right and that's what happens in midlife right a lot of guys in midlife they have an anima projection and they feel like i can't live without this person because it's a connection to their own soul your anima represents your soul and so it's and you're like how could i how could i you know disavow my own this this relationship because it feels like if i do i'll die and it's their first connection to them their own self a religious or rejoining of their conscious mind with their unconscious mind and so carl young knew we had a soul knew there's a god um which you know freud was totally against all that freud was afraid that people would not take them seriously and dismiss them as mystics and whatever and young wasn't young had mystical experiences he had direct um experiences of the divine and he saw the people at the clergy when he was a kid that didn't he saw that they didn't he he knew he had a direct experience if you read memories dreams reflections he talks about his autobiography yeah he talks about how he the clergy they were just they were all empty especially his father and he would when he would question it his father was like he didn't have answers and he didn't want him to talk about it and uh and he could see how empty they were that they was there was just dogma that didn't they didn't have direct experience of the divine and he did and i've had that uh since i started um reading young and i said so i've been going inward right so young says he looks outward dreams he goes inward awakens and so i have a direct connection to the divine i've had uh numinous experiences and um what's a numinous experience it's it's like a sacred um a sacred spiritual happening that kind of happens to you against your own will and it takes you over right if and that's i've experienced that like when i quit smoking pot people like why'd you quit smoking pot i'm like i don't know i don't know i felt like there was some outside force telling me to do it and it was hard so people who say that marijuana is an addictive it is i was at least six months before i could sleep and it was horrible i was in bad shape and i just i just knew i had to quit how did you know i i just again like i said i just had this outside i felt like there was something guiding me to do this and so i did and um you know your dreams are your psyche or as you would call it the self with a capital s meaning um you know the divine talking to you and speaking to you in symbols and we share a collective until you have a you have a personal unconscious right the things that you personally split off from your own personality and put in your unconscious and your shadow and then you have a collective unconscious which joseph campbell also talked about yes and uh he was the my first entree into this was joseph campbell and he talked about how you know different societies who had no way of connecting with each other uh use the same symbolism to explain life and the spirit literally in a way that's spooky spooky shocking and jung figured that out that we had uh we have a collective unconscious meaning there's only one consciousness right so you're not there's not uh your consciousness and then the god conscious there's just one consciousness and we're a part of it and the fact that you think you're separate from it is a mistake and so we're part of it and as we evolve our consciousness uh we evolve the world's consciousness right because we all share a collective unconscious and one of the ways he figured it out was that um he would have dreams and there would be symbols in his dreams and he didn't know what they meant but he could tell that they were meaningful and then he he was reading about the alchemists now everybody thought the alchemists were trying to turn lead into gold but what they were really trying to do was turn psychological lead into gold and they had to do it hide it from the church and so he they had figured out what some of these symbols meant and he saw them write about the symbols that he was seeing in his own dreams and he was like oh my god i'd never read this before how would i know about this symbol to show up in my so that's when he started to figure out that we all share a consciousness yes that there is one consciousness there's the one and uh so it's it's pretty heavy get glimpses of that [01:13:55] Speaker 1: i think occasionally people in the course of daily life get just a flash that somehow there's a [01:14:01] Speaker 2: connection between all peoples there there's only you know it's like it's like we're hairs on the human head thinking we're separate right they're all you're all part of the same head you're all part of the same body it's all well part of the same consciousness there's only one and so um and we've you know split ourselves off from it we split that into our unconscious and so if you go into your unconscious and one of the great ways is to go into your dreams and and and see what they're saying to you and treat it and you know like rumi said um what you seek seeks you and so the more attention you pay to your unconscious uh the more it will rise up to meet you and so i've had numinous experiences i've i've had this experience the divine i've experienced my encounters with archetypal [01:14:49] Speaker 1: figures in my dreams that have guided me and how did quitting smoking pot after so many years affect [01:14:55] Speaker 2: your dreams well they became way more vivid and more often really oh yeah yeah and so i'm gonna i mean i i so i i speak with the a youngian uh psychoanalyst once a week and he used to be the head of the young center in in los angeles and he's remarked to me you know uh often um that you know you're one of the most prolific dreamers that i've ever encountered and often when i'm telling you about dreams he'll just go oh my god like he says that a lot and uh so it's been a real awakening and i realized that uh i'm not separate from the divine i realize that i'm not this body um that i have an eternal soul and even though this body dies that i don't die uh that death is the not the opposite of life death is the opposite of birth life has no opposite it's eternal and so once you realize that it changes a lot of things like what uh it changes how i look at everything i look at the oneness of everything i look at this isn't permanent uh this this body is not permanent that i have an everlasting soul that i have to pay attention to that i have to get in touch with and fills my life with real meaning [01:16:11] Speaker 1: and um you know part of it too is this is your most radical position of all the radical things you've said since we sat down this is the most counterculture thing you could say well people [01:16:22] Speaker 2: think they need a priest or they need a preacher or a church which is all good the community is good um but you don't need them because you already have a connection to the divine within you and that's where you need to go and once you realize that then you don't need them that's which is why they don't tell you about that and jesus said that where did he say the kingdom of heaven is tucker the kingdom of heaven is in you yes you are the light of the world and what i do you will do and greater and and and people they don't they don't need you to know that which is why they get rid of the parts of the bible that tell talk about that kind of thing and uh so it's it's uh i i i was a you know i was a sam harris atheist for a while i was a grown-up catholic went to catholic school for 12 years it never spoke to me and the people who seem to be most catholic seemed not to really embody it you know uh and so i was i was an atheist i thought i thought this was it this is it and when you're dead you're dead and and now i realized no this is what changed your mind that's a big change well i had this big dream um it all it usually starts with a big dream so i had this dream i was kneeling down in front of my house in front of the bushes i had a fish hook on a string and i was dragging it through the dirt in front of my bushes and i'm in my dream i'm thinking what am i doing what am i looking for and then i saw underneath the dirt i saw it start moving like there was an animal underneath there and i was like what the heck and all of a sudden this black cat emerged and it was all grimy and it had like an oil-like substance on it and i'm like how could it be even breathing how could it be under there for so long and not be dead and then it got up and walked around like well it's it's okay it's it's alive and willing and so what that so i knew that meant something i didn't know what i i i sought out uh i started reading young i sought out um rebecca eigen who helped me uh understand young i got a youngian analysis and so that was you know what you seek is seeking you that was the the divine the unconscious telling me you're ready you're ready to go into your darkness you're ready to go into your shadow you're ready to go into your unconscious you don't know what you're going to find there and it's probably going to be scary and you don't want to find it but it's there and it's ready for you to now take the next step in your conscious evolution and uh so here i am and i'm doing it [01:18:52] Speaker 1: that's what kind of reaction did you get from your friends um they don't know really they don't really [01:19:00] Speaker 2: say you know i i don't really have these kind of conversations very often i have them on my podcast with people uh like there's um i have a book club where we read carl young and we go through it and we talk about it it's really it's it's my favorite thing to do in the world if i could just do that i [01:19:15] Speaker 1: would just do that you would just read carl young and talk about it carl young and talk about it because that's what it's really all about yeah that's so different from the world you've lived in [01:19:26] Speaker 2: though yeah 100 yeah i again i was an atheist i didn't know i didn't know that you know they asked carl jung is there a god do you believe in god he said i don't believe i know because he experienced god he went from 1913 to 1917 he was you know i don't know how to describe it i've described it as he could give himself a uh you know a psychedelic trip in a way he could somehow consciously access his unconscious he could um meet the archetypal figures in your unconscious your anima if you're a male your soul he would say is your anima which is your female your feeling function it's real and it's autonomous and it's in your unconscious and if you're a female it's your anima which is the male counterpart and uh so he encountered these these figures in his and i've encountered some of them so i had one of those experiences so um you know it was scary it's a scary to go into your shadow and the things you hate about yourself that you realize you've been projecting onto other people [01:20:27] Speaker 1: yes and so the the idea is boy that's so that's like so familiar to anyone who's self-aware [01:20:34] Speaker 2: you do we all do that yeah so the the idea is you make it conscious this this darkness this part of you that you hate you make it conscious and you integrate you don't judge it because it's also positive in a sense you and you integrate it into your conscious mind so you don't have to project it on anybody anymore and your your your consciousness risk you know you become so that goal isn't to become a better person the goal is to become a more whole person and not split off from who you are and so that's a to me that's the that's the goal to be to to make the unconscious conscious integrated and even though you might think it's a bad part of yourself like you know i've been dealing with the the unrestrained masculine right which causes fights and me to be extra aggressive when i don't need to be and but you need that part you need to be able to set boundaries and to be able to be angry when you need it but you need to be aware that where it's coming from so it doesn't come out sideways and wreck your life and even if you think it's negative it's good in a sense for instance right so the part look i always give the example of um so like you have this you know you have shit in your unconscious oh that stuff is smelly and dirty i don't want to know that's part of me but and what helps a rose grow you need manure yes and so out of manure comes a beautiful rose so you just have to know how to use it right just like electricity um if i don't know i'm not an electrician so if i tried to wire your house it burned down yes right but if somebody knows how to do it it'll light up the whole house in the whole world right so you got to know how to use it and so it's that power so that darkness comes creativity and it also can help you blossom and so you need so it's it's the idea again is to become whole and um that's and most people don't do and it's hard work because you don't want to see and you know a lot of guilt comes with it right because you find out that in your past you've done things that hurt your own soul and you feel guilty about it and i've i've had that right right where i i realized through my dreams that i've prioritized career or material possessions over my own soul and the overwhelming i've guilt that i felt in my dreams and young talks about this that part of becoming conscious is being able to handle guilt and i just i was like oh my god and so um it's it's people don't want to do this work because it's painful right and they don't teach this and they teach uh they teach freud because it's easier and each materialism they don't get it they don't teach you carl jung was about you know your soul and your religious experience your numinous experience the encounter with the divine and if you don't have that you're going to project it just [01:23:27] Speaker 1: like people did during covid it it does seem i'm not alleging in conspiracy but there is a concerted organized effort to eliminate any consideration of the transcendent the eternal the divine from people's consciousness like just never mentioned it's considered a crackpot even to talk about that the idea that there's you know a world that we can't see that's meaningful that we're connected in any way other than physically i mean it i don't think there's ever been a society as determined to deny [01:24:00] Speaker 2: the eternal as ours is well there's this guy i i his name is bill donahue and he's dead now but um he talked about um that everybody says they believe in the in you know spirits and the lord and the holy spirit and angels and then when they show up you're like oh it's crazy right exactly i was like yeah that's exactly what they do but just don't forget the kingdom of heaven is inside you it's not outside you it's inside you you are the light of the world when did this come to you it was right before covid was right when cloven started i had that big dream and then i started to go into my unconscious do you [01:24:46] Speaker 1: notice people around you starting to ask questions have thoughts like this it does feel like more people [01:24:52] Speaker 2: are thinking about i have noticed uh you know unfortunate yes but they have questions but they they seek it you know the answers in the wrong places you know and they go into organized religion and i think you know again i'm not i'm not here to put down religion i think people need community um but you know too often it's a it's about um control and that you you need to get to god you need to come through me which is you know you don't you don't need anybody or anything you have a connection [01:25:23] Speaker 1: to the divine and it's inside it's not external everyone feels that on some level okay so i want to end by i'm not i'm not an expert on any of this stuff either okay i just know what i've experienced it's just kind of weird speaking of the collective consciousness that a lot of people i know like more than 10 started having thoughts like this right around or just before covet okay almost like people were being prepared for what was coming and gaining a new vocabulary with which to explain it and understand it people who had never thought about anything like this at all who were totally wrapped up in material concerns like the ones you mentioned accumulating wealth succeeding at work you know just whatever what we're trained to do a lot of people i know all of a sudden are like hmm praying maybe that's a real thing maybe i should listen to voices whose sources i can't see stuff like that yeah um [01:26:21] Speaker 2: again you you know carl jung realized at a young age that he had thoughts that he didn't think himself yes placed in his head by god and he had a direct experience with god and uh so i've had those experiences um and not only um do i experience god in my dreams uh but i realize that everything is a reflection of god everything is god in my conscious life and my unconscious life god is everywhere everything the kingdom of heaven is laid upon the earth but the eyes of men don't see it so um it's now you know now is the time to to meet god to know the divine and to know your you know your true uh identity it's it's it's scary you know to to do that i had this dream um i had several dreams that completely changed my life one of them at the beginning i was scared you know of this journey and um i was in the jungle there was a clearing in the jungle and i was sitting there and out from the jungle came this like it was like half human half ape but the head was like a lion and i was like and it came over to me and it put his hand out and i was like oh it's gonna crush me you know i was afraid it's crazy but it took my hand very gently and walked me into the jungle and i'm like what the hell is this me you know and um a couple weeks later i'm reading a book and there was that symbol that the lion face the half ape i'm like what and it's a mithraic that's called a mithraic god and so that's part of the collective unconscious that's like this archetype that we all share in our collective unconscious with one consciousness that we all share and i'm like oh my god and so i interpreted that to mean that um it's okay it's going to be safe to go into the jungle of your unconscious and i'll be there with you to help you and guide you and it that you know so that was just one thing i have many things like that that's one of them and when i saw that picture i'm like oh my god that was thinking of my dream and so that's one of those things i had no knowledge of that i've never seen a picture of that before i never and but there wasn't my dream in a meaningful way wow that's why it was wild i know people think you're [01:28:45] Speaker 1: crazy when you talk about this stuff no yeah on one level for sure it's it's forbidden it's way more forbidden than criticizing israel i mean this is the actual no it's true though this is the actual third rail i think is to admit that you've had experiences with the divine or with a realm that's not physical [01:29:04] Speaker 2: or people are like come on now but everyone knows it's true yep and again i go back to everybody you know believes in the holy spirit everybody believes but then when it shows up like oh what are you nuts yeah you think you talk to spirits and you know stuff like that yeah other countries are [01:29:22] Speaker 1: different it's like yeah of course of course you do so let me just ask you about this country or the west more you know the liberal democracies um that resemble ours every one of them is coming apart every one of them has reached kind of the end of a life cycle they're not serving their people at all all of this is this whole project is being they've become the fascists that they were supposed [01:29:42] Speaker 2: to be i mean they're canceling elections when they don't turn out the way they want exactly exactly you know they're they're pro they're doing austerity now in europe and germany and they're ratcheting up for a war with russia jeffrey sacks just wrote an open letter to to the uh to germany like hey stop this this is oh i know i know and they'll ignore him and of course they will [01:30:02] Speaker 1: yeah what a good man he is but yeah um yeah liberal democracy has turned out to be neither liberal nor democratic they're illiberal they're illiberal and undemocratic just like they proved during covid [01:30:12] Speaker 2: yes exactly they immediately censorship shut up don't ask questions don't talk against the establishment and take an experimental medical treatment against your own will or you can't go to work you can't travel you can't go to school that's uh that's nazi stuff oh of course and again if it works you take it why do you need me to take it so the medicine works on you that never made any sense it will never make any sense because actually it's not your body or your choice well then they stopped saying so you stopped you noticed that around covid they stopped saying i'm pro-choice and they literally started [01:30:44] Speaker 1: saying i'm pro-abortion that's what i was like i'm out whatever this is is is uh too dark for me but okay so all of this i think thanks in part to your tireless efforts for the past six years is now pretty obvious to most people who are paying attention that this system is fake it's not serving its intended beneficiaries and it's kind of over so then the question becomes well what next and how do we get there and the two potential paths are violent revolution which i'm opposed to or somehow using this broken system to improve or replace the broken system yeah and [01:31:23] Speaker 2: what well larry fink is afraid of a violent oh revolution they're all afraid of it he he said that they they're going to start drone bombing these data centers he's afraid of that oh i know yeah yeah because they because they know how hated they are you know and they they did and jeff jeff bezos did this softball interview if you would see nbc last week or two weeks ago and he talked about how if i pay more taxes it's not going to help the nurse in queens and all that stuff you know and he goes if i do my job right it's going to help people more than my philanthropy right oh really if you do your job right you know what the turnover rate in a amazon fulfillment center is 150 percent yeah 100 to 150 every year so that means every eight months 100 new workers and so why do one third of your workers at the richest guy in the world uh are on government assistance why am i subsidizing your employees exactly right same you know same thing you hear about walmart and this is the country we've devolved into when you have a government by the oligarchs for the oligarchs and the workers get screwed so that's where we're in and exactly what i said before the oh bless you the only way to do this is if people realize that they have a common humanity with their neighbor don't fall for it that your neighbor is the white supremacist nazi uh racist that you have to oppose and that they're the enemy no they're again suffering under the same conditions you're suffering under join with them oppose those people the wef globalists who actually run everything you know it's funny people talk about communism you don't get choice people think back to but capitalism has led us to the same thing there's three companies that own everything vanguard state street and black rock that's the real ball so trump has a boss they all and i try to tell people that you know the congress is that they're not when they get they're they're not doing the bidding when they have a session of congress people go oh do you think they have secret meetings where they plan this stuff well yes actually they do uh it's called davos it's called the bilderbergs we now we know that's real that people just think that was crazy big time but but i go i used to say it's no it's just a session of congress you think when they get together they're doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly they're in there doing the bidding of the oligarchs the the donor class the people who actually run their bosses and it ain't you [01:33:40] Speaker 1: that's just a fact that's no longer i don't think there's a single word you just uttered that could be quibbled with even it's just it's all proven now but because it is proven that means it can't continue under the current terms so i don't think given everything you've said you want violence but [01:33:59] Speaker 2: is it inevitable like how do we get out of this well john f kennedy said those who make peaceful revolution impossible make uh violent revolution inevitable right or some version of that certainly true and so you know we have more guns in this country than people yeah so in a sense that's good because the government's supposed to fear the people not the other way around exactly when you fear your government that's tyranny and right now i think people do fear their government yes again i'm not calling for a violent revolution but uh i i you know i think we if workers come together you have to shut down the machine and if you can shut down the machine in a meaningful way if all the truckers stop trucking if all the railroad workers stop going to work port workers that's how you gain control of your but you see they give them the port workers they gave them a nice contract right before trump got into office so they they they see it coming right and so they're they good day oh we don't want them to get upset we don't want them to so or if all the teachers didn't go to work if all the grocery store workers didn't go to work you know i'm that's the only way if you if anybody else has another idea let me know i'll be all for it but to me that's the way that that history proves that you you can have [01:35:08] Speaker 1: peaceful revolution i yeah i would just correct you on the no teachers that we actually did have a time for over a year when the teachers didn't go to work and they and the people in charge really enjoyed it because ignorant kids mean more that's right viable kids but i but critical like true critical functions if they stop working um maybe will force people to pay attention yeah remember who the essential workers are right it's not middle management no no it's is it the consultant [01:35:38] Speaker 2: class no it is not oh it's not it's not the professional managerial class it's not what about [01:35:43] Speaker 1: the private equity people they don't know they are not essential you couldn't i don't even know if you could have a tax protest now because the government isn't funded through taxes right they just print [01:35:53] Speaker 2: the money exactly did you see that video where they asked um i forget the guy's name but it was joe biden's economic advisor and someone said hey if we print our own money why do we borrow it and he was like for five minutes he's like well that's good we print money we definitely print money we definitely borrow money and he goes i don't know that's a good question he couldn't answer the question you ever see that video no yeah but i've actually wondered myself i wonder it too if they could just create money quantitative easing they just invent it because they don't give that money to you no it gives you the banks and and so what people don't realize people fear socialism because they fear it's going to take money from the haves and give it to the have-nots but what our our version of capitalism has done this oligarchy it's an upward transfer of wealth that's what happened during covid an upward trend how many billionaires got invented it's an and it's continuing it's an upward transfer of wealth uh to from the working class to the oligarchs that's what we're in right now with three companies that run everything so again i don't see that as [01:36:57] Speaker 1: overstatement like i think that's just true what you said so i don't know i'm very concerned because i do think the people who are benefiting are so rich that's what i have the main thing i know is how rigid they are they can't handle any disagreement whatsoever right no like teddy roosevelt rolls in and he's like a product of the ruling class he is the ruling class he becomes president by default the president's assassinated 1901 and he becomes president he's like look this system will collapse unless we give a little bit and he was the only president american history able to make that case and he kind of did adjust it enough that it continued another well 125 years yeah but i don't see the current rulers as capable of that kind of subtlety or sacrifice or nuance or or even just like intelligence they're too stupid to understand they're screwing themselves by being this rigid that's [01:37:53] Speaker 2: my view well it's the you know um also fdr saw that there was a revolution of the workers and he was afraid that he told his ruling class hey this is coming here big time if you don't give people some of your money if you don't give them some of their money they're going to take all of your money yes and so he gave people jobs he created the jobs program and uh created social security ccc yes and things like that and uh but then they also at the same time went on a tear to get rid of the communists right yeah and because they were a very force for so you not not that anybody's for communism but you need that kind of counterbalance and the economic populace above all that's right so huey long [01:38:28] Speaker 1: somehow gets assassinated before the 1936 presidential campaign by his own bodyguards kind of weird um sorry excuse me but uh but i just want but but either one either roosevelt you know they're different but like they had the same impulse which is this system is out of whack and it's gonna get taken down by force unless we adjust it a little bit and i don't see the current i don't see larry [01:38:56] Speaker 2: thinks capable of doing that do you not quite the opposite right it's more you know uh capitalism uh always it at the end stage devolves into fascism which is where we are the surveillance state these data centers flock cameras they built uh 80 billion dollars for ice uh to get the illegal immigrants by the way they're not i know and so why are they no so what is that police force well it's for you of course right and so when you wake up and so now they're going to make you a terrorist you're going you're going to be an anti uh technological terrorist just like they had echo terrorists people who and so you're going to be the terrorist and those prisons are for you because they're not getting they want the illegal immigrants here because they want cheap labor that's always a joke they're not getting rid of them that's all all that stuff where they're shooting people that's all for show right that's not that you are the target and that's what those prisons are for and you know we got their own private gestapo called ice and what could go wrong you take 50 000 tgi friday bouncers and give them guns masks and unmarked cars and turn them loose well because the truth is that illegal [01:40:00] Speaker 1: immigrants you know the guys like hiring at a day rate out of you know home depot parking lot you know know there's a lot of drunk driving but in general not that unruly a group correct right people looking to work you know who's unruly is like you you're unruly no i'm serious you're born here you have a birthright you feel totally entitled to demand that your government serve your interest because you own the government like you're a huge problem but you and people like you well that's why they tapped into [01:40:30] Speaker 2: my phone using pegasus actually yeah that actually happened so when i spoke at the un security council i did it via zoom i was in italy at the time and it was on the anniversary of the nordstrom pipeline bombing yes and so they uh they asked me to speak russia uh and so i accepted and i gave a speech and i gave it to him you know like you're all dupes and idiots if you think that this was done by russia and the fact that you know germany would bend their knee and let them to wreck their own economy now they're paying two and three times higher for enter and to go along with this and you're all morons and i basically use that language and so on the plane ride home on my had my laptop i used to at that time i used to travel with my laptop i don't anymore and it said uh macbook the now controls your icloud account and i was like what what is this i don't even know what the heck so i get off i call my it guy who is a former uh in military intelligence right and his whole job is to try to crack into company's computer system to find vulnerabilities so i call him and i tell him i go hey did this happen he goes oh my god jimmy even i couldn't do that and i said what what and so i he i give him my computer i give him my phone and he said that was pegasus and i go well who did this he goes it wasn't a person no it's because this was a state actor yeah and i was like and so it happened immediately after i testified uh at the un security council and so that's why i have two phones now right so one's the phone so now they got me tucker by the way if i ever become uh a threat they got me they either have all my compromising material and my icloud on my computer on my phone or they planted something because what so they got me right so i gotta so if you you'll know if i'm arrested or if some big scandal comes out uh it's because i now have become an actual threat no that's [01:42:22] Speaker 1: so true i we i did an interview the glenn greenwald the last summer here and he was tough on the foreign policy questions and tough on netanyahu literally the next day that's that's exactly right this tape comes out of a super embarrassing glenn greenwald sex tape which i didn't watch but um i just want to say much i love glenn those aren't connected of course the first person to defend him the first person to defend him was charlie kirk which is just incredible charlie kirk the new [01:42:54] Speaker 2: seth rich you're not allowed to ask questions about that charlie kirk is the evangelical [01:42:59] Speaker 1: pretty darn anti-gay and then glenn greenwald comes out with a gay sex tape and charlie kirk is the first guy to be like glenn greenwald's a good man man i thought that was ah it makes me [01:43:11] Speaker 2: emotional thinking about it yeah i mean charlie had started to have an awakening oh you think he had a lot younger than i had it yeah and so that's why they had to kill him and uh and when i say they i mean multiple there was a conspiracy to kill him it wasn't some guy tyler robinson with his grandpa's rifle which was never fired which is why they couldn't find that rifle but you have to swallow so much stuff to believe the story that the establishment is pushing for charlie kirk's assassination you have to think that this first of all a 30-06 bullet didn't take his head clean off or leave a drive-through window in the back of his somehow he had a miracle he could his miracle bullet remember that hey uh can can you give me an explanation of why his head didn't blow off without a miracle do you have an actual explanation no so uh but it goes back to so this guy gets to the campus he he drives three all of a sudden he wakes up one day and goes you know what i'm going to commit the biggest public assassination in the last 60 years he drives to the campus he finds the open stairwell it's an open nobody's there he he brings the gun up but it's too big so he has to take it apart and put it in his backpack still too big for his backpack so he has to put it down his pad legs is what they tell but then if he did he couldn't go up the steps because he couldn't bend his knees so i don't know how he got it up there nobody will tell me so he gets up there and then he changes his clothes he's up on top of that roof for 10 minutes that's according to the governor he was up there for eight to ten minutes nobody sees him the cops don't see him the million dollar security team doesn't see him nobody sees him except people in the crowd did see him and they don't tell you that people just like in butler pennsylvania people in the crowd saw him guess who didn't see him the cops the local cops the state cops the secret service people see him so um and then he like so he puts the gun together he lines up the shot puts a scope on it by the way if that scope was on and he couldn't fire that gun because of the same anyway so he lines it up takes the shot hits it perfect perfectly takes the gun apart leaves the screwdriver there puts it under a towel spider-man's his way off the top of a building runs across campus with the gun apparently under towel nobody sees this he runs into the woods puts the gun back together again without the screwdriver he's a regular macgyver this guy and then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by palantir and if you think anything else besides that you're a crazy jew hating conspiracy nut do you know that the uh they had they were they had the gun the gun sniffing dogs right that and which they can they can sniff a gun that was fired a week earlier in the rain right they were looking all over they couldn't they didn't find it the fbi shows up a minute later we got the gun did you know that no yeah you could uh baron coleman's been doing great work on this and he got the police transmitter uh all that stuff he got that that's available and so it wasn't until the fbi showed up oh well we got it the local police couldn't find that gonna and the dog sniffers couldn't find it they can find it and they couldn't but then the fbi showed up but they found it in the exact place so and now they wouldn't even release that to the to the defense team they're still holding god to it and then of course the the the the then he then he decides to text his lover instead of waiting for him to get home it's only a three-hour drive he's like you know what he said i wanted to take this i wanted to take this secret to my grave first of all he talks like he's reading a he's writing a jane austen novel my love and then he says uh i wanted to take this secret to my grave but fuck it i'm just gonna i'm just gonna leave it here on a text message to you so the fbi can find it and so what was supposed to happen was he was supposed to go out in a blaze of glory he because the original text messages that they said he wrote said i don't want to go to prison i'm not going to go out like i don't want to be dragged through the courts i'm going to go so he was supposed to get shot just like in butler crooks and but he was supposed to get killed he didn't he went and turned himself in which screwed up their plan and so they had to rewrite rewrite those text messages did you know that there's text messages one and text messages 2.0 so they had to rewrite this yeah that's that's all and they said that he uh confessed on discord or on uh reddit and of course now we know for a fact that he was already in custody when they said that he did that so what guy shows up turns himself in pleads the fifth i'm not talking to the cops until my lawyer gets there but then he goes on the internet and and gives a confession okay so this is this is obviously a setup and you're not allowed to ask questions about it and if you are you're you are attacking a grieving widow and that's uh again when did jackie o ever say quit looking in stop quit looking into who killed my husband never that's not what happens and that's not how you grieve by the way i remember when my dad died my mom immediately bought a gold sequined pants outfit started carrying sparklers around and selling t-shirts and my friends are like jimmy what's with your mom i'm like she's grieving so i'll just leave that there and so you know dan bongino um who was who's famously said don't ever stop talking about the epstein files he gets in a position of power to do something about it and now he changes his tune to say oh i'm supposed to i was there to do my job which is to keep custody of the evidence no you weren't there to keep custody of the evidence you were there to put in custody for the people who are in that evidence you fucking phony anyway i i get upset you have every reason to so we're being lied to on a massive scale the one guy who was credited with stopping the iran war the first time they had to get him out of there and he had realized that he'd woken up and his his uh his organization is a zionist operation as it was from the beginning and he woke up to that he was living in a truewood show and he ordered uh he orders an investigation a doge style investigation into the accounting because there's all if you look into it uh wolves of finance is a youtube channel who's really explored all this about all the shady financial stuff that was happening inside tp usa so they all had motive to come that to not only be a part of it but to cover it up and uh and and and so he orders that he turns down their money he took they they all lie that he said they're gonna kill me the they they candace owns it proves that the text messages were there then and by the way why does the fbi not have control of his phone why would they give it to us this none of this all of it none of it makes sense so this is all a big psyop it's a it's a zionist organization he had realized that he had realized what zionism was he realized that uh that israel was not in our best interest that they're not our greatest ally and they had to get so they tried everything they tried and in some reports said they were offering a billion dollars to his organization and he turned it down and if you can turn that down there's only one thing left to do and that's to kill you and it's sad and you're just like seth rich you're not allowed to ask questions and when you're not allowed to ask hey if you if candace owens is crazy nuts then keep let her talk let give her enough rope to hang herself keep it going just like brian harpo did on that the cia guys podcast he gave him enough rope to hang himself and he hung himself several times on that what a used car salesman that brian harpo is i spent thousands of dollars on they didn't have drone coverage he pretends they didn't have drone coverage well uh frank turek says they were watching the drone coverage on their own phones as they pulled up to the event so they're lying back and forth all over the place they didn't have security watching the roof they don't have security watching the room when the local police were supposed to take care of that okay get that okay so uh it's a it's a it's a setup uh it's a lie and just like seth rich and charlie said just like we learned during covid keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free and now they've completely flipped his message stop just stop stop asking questions that was his whole mo that was his whole motive that was the reason for his raison d'etre was ask questions exactly and now you're not supposed to and i tell people you see these social media influencers out there telling you that uh candace is evil or demonic and stop it happened exactly the way cash patel said it did if anybody's telling you that they are corrupted on the take and they're your enemy and do not listen to them because those people are not there to help you or to help bring you information they're there to propagandize you and keep you shut up and compliant the great jimmy door wow you just you just wound me up okay i'm gonna need to walk around thank you okay it's great to see you as always god bless you you too