About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of Jamie Raskin TRAPS Trump Witness Using Her Own Words from CB PolitiDesk, published October 17, 2026. The transcript contains 2,010 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.
"donald trump is absolutely taking us outside of the rule of law i mean i don't mean to embarrass you in any way but i liked your statement of principle and i'm just willing i'm wondering whether you're willing to interpret it in a completely obvious and objective way okay so original statement if..."
[0:00] donald trump is absolutely taking us outside of the rule of law i mean i don't mean to embarrass
[0:06] you in any way but i liked your statement of principle and i'm just willing i'm wondering
[0:10] whether you're willing to interpret it in a completely obvious and objective way okay so
[0:16] original statement if any president whether it was maduro or trump or oscar orlando hernandez
[0:23] says i want you to go and investigate and prosecute these 20 political enemies of mine
[0:28] your position would basically be agnostic well let's wait and see what happens in the investigation
[0:34] is that right doesn't that defeat the whole point of your statement respectfully that's that's not
[0:39] right that's not what i mean that's not what i intended to say um what i would let me in he the
[0:44] president biden was sworn in and was the president of the united states so he did not illegally hold
[0:49] on to power in the manner that president maduro illegitimate dictator did oh i see in other words
[0:55] because the coup didn't work and the violent insurrection didn't succeed in overturning the
[1:01] election then you think it was all right what he did never hand a constitutional law professor the
[1:06] shovel you're digging your own grave with because jamie raskin will gladly help you finish the hole
[1:12] look i just finished watching this clip from a house hearing on venezuela and my brain is still
[1:17] buzzing from the sheer unadulterated cognitive dissonance on display here i am so tired of this i am
[1:23] genuinely profoundly exhausted by conservative pundits who want to preach to the rest of us
[1:29] about sacred democratic norms from their moral high horse right up until the exact microsecond
[1:35] those same rules apply to their guy watch this because raskin took this witness's entire high-minded
[1:41] sermon on the rule of law held it right up against donald trump's actual record and left her completely
[1:47] paralyzed i will recognize the gentleman from maryland mr raskin the ranking member mr chairman thank
[1:54] you very much and um miss dandrea um i'm moved by some of your political statements one of the
[2:01] things you said at the end of last year was if any political figure or party can direct federal law
[2:07] enforcement against its critics we no longer live under the rule of law do you remember when you wrote
[2:13] that yes sir so do you reject donald trump's very public orders to the department of justice and the fbi to
[2:23] investigate and prosecute james comey letitia james adam schiff a bunch of other colleagues including
[2:31] jason crowe i would say if there's reason and there's evidence to investigate those people then
[2:37] he's absolutely right to call for it if not then he doesn't need to call for that wait you said if any
[2:42] political figure can direct federal law enforcement against its critics we no longer live under the rule
[2:47] of law i think there's a difference between someone being critical and someone doing something that
[2:53] violates the rule of law okay but all of it i mean the reason why all the grand juries refuse to
[3:03] render indictments the reason why a number of prosecutors uh resigned or were forced out of
[3:09] uh their positions were because of the obvious point that donald trump is attacking them because he
[3:15] perceives them to be political critics or adversaries of his and so it would seem to me just to apply your
[3:23] rule to the facts of the situation donald trump is absolutely taking us outside of the rule of law
[3:30] i mean i don't mean to embarrass you in any way but i liked your statement of principle and i'm just
[3:34] willing i'm wondering whether you're willing to interpret it in a completely obvious and objective
[3:40] way i would say that my interpretation is objective and i think that without having all the facts about each
[3:47] of these individuals and each of the allegations allegedly you know against them i can't speak generally to
[3:53] the president's statements okay so original statement if any president whether it was maduro
[3:58] or trump or oscar orlando hernandez says i want you to go and investigate and prosecute these 20
[4:05] political enemies of mine your position would basically be agnostic well let's wait and see
[4:11] what happens in the investigation is that right doesn't that defeat the whole point of your statement
[4:17] respectfully that's that's not right that's not what i mean that's not what i intended to say
[4:21] um all right well let me ask about another one i wish we had all day because you've said some
[4:25] interesting things which i agree with at the at the level of generality which you stated them for
[4:30] example you said um that maduro had refused to cede power i think it was in the 2024 election and you
[4:38] said that it's impossible to sustain a claim to lawful governance by a leader who holds office in defiance
[4:45] of his own electorate well that really made me think about what happened in 2020 when donald trump
[4:52] claimed that he won the election but the congress found that he had not won the election 60 federal
[4:58] and state courts rejected every claim of electoral fraud and corruption but not only did he claim that
[5:04] he won it he continues to claim that he won it so i hope you would repudiate that uh mike thank you for
[5:12] the question i would say that he was he ceded power he gave in he the president biden was sworn in and
[5:20] was the president of the united states so he did not illegally hold on to power in the manner that
[5:25] president maduro illegitimate dictator did oh i see in other words because the coup didn't work and the
[5:31] violent insurrection didn't succeed in overturning the election then you think it was all right what
[5:37] he did respectfully that's not what i said i i said that's what i said though in other words you seem
[5:43] to be saying that because his attempt to destroy joe biden's electoral college majority which he won by
[5:51] more than seven million votes 306 to 232 in electoral college because his efforts to overturn that on the
[5:58] floor of congress and with a violent insurrection then he complied with what you were stating as a basic
[6:06] rule of law principle respectfully sir i think there's a difference between asking whether fraud
[6:11] occurred and refusing to cede power once it's been made clear to you that it has well what's inciting
[6:16] a violent insurrection against your own government i'm not sure i understand what you mean what well
[6:22] you're saying there's one thing about asking a question for example going to federal 60 different
[6:27] federal and state courts to try to get a ruling but once you've lost all of those you think it's
[6:32] legitimate within the rule of law and democracy to incite a violent insurrection
[6:37] as donald trump was impeached for sure i appreciate the question i don't have a clear answer for you
[6:43] on that okay i think that well we can discuss we can discuss it later and i i thank you for your
[6:49] statement of principles which i think are often quite lucid but i i wish that you would apply them
[6:54] even handedly across the board it might be tough from the the job that you're in right now i yield back
[7:00] to you mr chairman so the republicans bring in this witness to testify about venezuela fine she's there
[7:05] to talk about authoritarian regimes corrupted courts strongmen hijacking state power and raskin sits down
[7:12] across from her if you know anything about jamie raskin you know he doesn't shout he doesn't do the
[7:18] cheap theatrical outrage thing he's calm he's pleasant and he's lethal with the receipts he opens
[7:24] up by reading a quote she wrote just a few months ago she said if any political figure or party can direct
[7:30] federal law enforcement against its critics we no longer live under the rule of law and look as a
[7:36] progressive as anyone who cares about basic civil liberties and justice i agree with that that is a
[7:41] solid fundamental principle so raskin smiles nods and basically says great in that case do you repudiate
[7:49] donald trump publicly ordering the doj and the fbi to go after his political critics james comey
[7:55] latisha james adam schiff and right on cue the brain freeze she doesn't say yes she doesn't stand
[8:02] by her own words instead she immediately starts squirming well if there's reason and evidence
[8:08] then he had every right to call for it seriously raskin immediately steps in and goes wait a minute
[8:14] career prosecutors resigned grand juries literally refused to indict because there was no evidence trump
[8:21] singled them out purely because they were his political adversaries so wait if a president you
[8:26] like weaponizes the justice system it's just fine but if it happens in caracas it's tyranny give me a break
[8:33] then she tries to dodge behind well i can't speak generally without knowing all the specific facts of
[8:38] every case so raskin does what he does best he widens the aperture he says okay what if nicolas maduro in
[8:46] venezuela or juan orlando hernandez in honduras got up at a press conference and named 20 political
[8:52] enemies they wanted thrown in prison would your response be well let's wait and see what their
[8:58] state prosecutors dig up of course it wouldn't we know damn well she'd be calling them ruthless
[9:03] authoritarians on cable news that very evening but when it's donald trump tweeting threats from mar-a-lago
[9:09] suddenly she's an impartial juror who just needs more time the hypocrisy makes you want to pull your
[9:14] hair out he pulls out another quote of hers about venezuelan elections it is impossible to sustain
[9:20] a claim to lawful governance by a leader who holds office in defiance of his own electorate god it's
[9:25] like she handed him the script because what happened in 2020 donald trump lost by over 7 million votes
[9:32] over 60 state and federal courts threw his garbage fraud claims right out the door yet he claimed he won
[9:38] tried to trash the certified results and still claims he's the legitimate president
[9:43] that is the literal textbook definition of trying to hold office in defiance of your electorate
[9:49] and you will not believe her defense she actually sits there and says well he ceded power joe biden
[9:56] was sworn in so he didn't hold on to power like a dictator wait are they kidding me raskin calls it
[10:02] out with zero hesitation so you're telling me that because the coup failed and the violent insurrection
[10:07] didn't succeed in overturning the election that makes it okay she tries to argue that trump was
[10:13] just asking questions about fraud and raskin just looks at her asking questions in court is one thing
[10:20] inciting a violent mob to breach the capital after losing 60 lawsuits does that fit inside the rule of law
[10:26] and her answer i don't have a clear answer for you on that unbelievable just wow when you corner these
[10:33] folks with their own logic and they realize that defending trump means having to defend political
[10:38] violence against the government the high-minded rhetoric about the rule of law just evaporates
[10:43] into thin air raskin didn't yell he didn't demean her he just said thank you for your principles i
[10:49] just wish you applied them across the board and that's the entire ball game folks principles aren't
[10:54] a buffet you don't get to pick and choose when democracy matters based on the party registration of
[10:59] the guy breaking it if attacking the rule of law is bad in venezuela it is bad right here at home period
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