Hontiveros ‘seriously considering’ 2028 presidential run — Political Beat Supercut

[0:01] And the Senate Rao on rules continues to heat up. [0:16] Senator Robin Padilla na questions what counts as force majeure to be able to allow a lawmaker to attend a session and vote online. [0:24] He says war, terrorism, and a possible China-Taiwan conflict may fall under that rule. [0:31] The Ombudsman files plunder and graft cases against Senator Jinggoy Estrada over alleged flood control anomalies. [0:38] Would plunder a non-bailable offense, an arrest warrant could be issued anytime soon. [0:44] As expected, Estrada denies any wrongdoing, saying, if this is the price for standing by his principles, quote, so be it. [0:57] And Senator Risa Ontiveros joins us live. [1:00] From the Senate rules clash to the coming impeachment trial to her possible 2028 presidential run, the minority senator faces the issues head on. [1:11] Good evening, you're watching Political Beat. I am Lourdes de Vera. [1:18] On to the news, Senator Jinggoy Estrada says he will exhaust all legal remedies after the Office of the Ombudsman filed plunder and graft cases against him and former DPWH Secretary Manny Bonoan before the Sandigan Bayan. [1:32] Cases stem from their alleged involvement in flood control project anomalies. [1:37] And for details, we have our mobile journalist, Arlis de los Santos, live in the studio. [1:42] Okay, Arlis, an accumulated sum of 573 million. [1:48] Tell us about the news. [1:50] Well, pasado alauna kanina, Lord, nag-hi na nga yung Office of the Ombudsman ng kasong plunder at graft laban kay Sen. Jinggoy Estrada at iba pang mga dating opisyal at kasalukuyong opisyal ng Department of Public Works and Highways kaugnay ng anomalya sa mga flood control projects ng pamahalaan. [2:07] At ito na yung sinasabi ni Ombudsman Boing Rimulya na hinug na hinug na raw yung mga kaso. [2:13] Pero one week yan na nadelay mula nga ng i-recommendan ng Department of Justice na kasuhan ito si Estrada at yung iba pang opisyal ng DPWH dahil sa umunoy mga anomalya sa mga flood control projects ng ating pamahalaan. [2:27] Wala pang whole departure order against Sen. and Secretary Bonoan? [2:31] Well, si Secretary Bonoan ay meron ng precautionary whole departure order pero kay Sen. Jinggoy Estrada ay wala pa sa ngayon. [2:39] Pero hihilingin din daw yan ng Office of the Ombudsman para nga masigurado na hindi magkakaroon ng anumang aberya o pagka-delay sa kanilang investigasyon at syempre doon sa paggulong ng kaso laban sa kay Estrada. [2:50] The spokesperson of the DOJ, Mico Calavano, said that their case is built on solid, immovable evidence. Where does that confidence come from? [3:01] I think that comes from Lord doon sa findings ng NBIDOJ kasi lumalabas doon na may probable cause nga daw itong mga kaso na isinampan nila. [3:13] Hindi pa natin nakukuha yung blow by blow at napakadetalyado na detalyan itong mga kaso na ito. [3:19] Pero naniniwala naman ang Office of the Ombudsman na yung mga kaso na kanilang ifafile ay talagang standing on solid grounds and evidences. [3:27] Para nga hindi ito masayang lamang at nais nga nila masigurado na mabigyan ng justisya yung apondo ng taong bayan at yung pagulo ng mga kaso na ito. [3:35] Again, to the question, the arrest warrant, when could the possible arrest happen? [3:41] Well, kung magiging consistent ang Sandigan Bayan, within 24 to 48 hours, baka labasan na ng arrest warrant si Senator Jinguay Estrada, [3:49] ganun din si dating DPWH and Secretary Manuel Bonoan at yung iba pa nila mga kapwa akusado. [3:55] Kasi if you remember, yung kay Revilla Lord, parang lucky na nagkaroon ng weekend. [4:01] So it was a Friday, nung na-file yung kaso, pagdating ng Monday, may arrest warrant na. [4:05] Monday, Tuesday, yun, sumuko na. [4:07] And then later on, humarap na ng Sandigan Bayan for the return of warrants. [4:10] So if the same practices will be observed, baka may tomorrow, we can expect na may warrant of arrest na. [4:17] Nagkaroon na ba ng pronouncement from any government enforcement agency about the impending arrest, if ever? [4:24] Well, at least for the National Bureau of Investigation, sabi naman nila kapag lumabas yung warrant, eaarestuhin agad to. [4:30] And bukod siguro doon sa mag-aaresto Lord, malagang tignan kung saan nga ba mananatili si Senator Jinguay Estrada, kung sabihin ng korte. [4:37] Though, inaasahan natin na magiging kaparehas kung saan kinulong si dating Sen. Bong Revilla doon sa payatas sa New Quezon City Jail. [4:46] Kasi pinangako naman ng DILG na yung mga personalidad na mauugnay sa flood control scandal ng pamahalaan at makakaroon ng kaso, [4:54] e doon mananatili. [4:56] Mas mababa daw yung amount na tinutukoy as compared to the one previously alleged by former Bulacan Assistant District Engineer Bryce Hernandez. [5:09] Well, it's actually much, much higher. [5:11] And I think this is something that we can look into on the coming cases from the Office of the Ombudsman. [5:16] Kasi kay dating Sen. Jinguay Estrada, si Bryce Hernandez yung nag-implicate sa kanya dito for the allegation of a 30% kickback for the 355 million pesos worth of flood control projects. [5:27] Then, 573 million ang binanggit ng Office of the Ombudsman. [5:31] And even yung cases kay Sen. Ortiz Escudero, that's also beyond 280 million that was previously alleged, nasa 500 million din. [5:39] So, abangan natin kung pati sa ibang mga cases na isasampa, e ganito, mas malaki sa inisyal na inilalabas. [5:47] But these allegations, of course, the Office of the Ombudsman has confirmed and stowed na these are based on the corroborating affidavits of the state witnesses na kasama. [5:58] And expect natin na magiging witness ng prosecution paggulong ng mga pagdini. [6:04] In the words of his fellow majority senator, hindi siya safe. Or safe ba siya? Hindi siya safe. [6:10] Okay. So, pangatlong pagkakataon na ito, Arlis. At may observation ka kanina, per decade halos. [6:18] Yes, per decade. Kasi growing up, it was first 2001. I was born in 1999. [6:24] Pero 2001, yung kanyang first wedding case. And then later na-acquit siya, parang 2004. [6:30] So, nakakandoon na ng TV. And then yun, come PDAF case in 2014. [6:34] And then come 2026, it's a new plunder case. [6:37] But still with the same, of course, sa Senator Jinguay Estrada. [6:41] Pero, iginit na naman yun yung kanyang posisyon na yung wala raw siyang kinalaman dito. [6:47] At kahit yung LBRMO daw, eh nagsabi nga na wala siyang insertion dito. [6:52] What is the LBRMO? [6:53] Well, ito yung Senate Legislative Budget Research and Monitoring Office na una nang sinilipan nga yung mga listahan ng mga proyekto. [7:03] At sinabi na nga noon na wala raw from Senator Jinguay Estrada. [7:07] Pero sabi ng DOJ, hindi siya magandang indicator. Hindi siya accurate indicator. [7:11] Kasi it does not show the entire process. [7:13] Yes, kasi ayon sa Office of the Ombudsman, layered eh. [7:16] Yung budget insertion process. [7:18] So, it might be, no? [7:20] Just a speculation. [7:22] Baka hindi nakita o talagang layered to make it seem na wala talaga. [7:26] He was, sinasabi, he was not given the chance to study the opportunities, study the charges filed against him. [7:35] Well, kasi Lord, May 18 lumabas yung recommendation ng Department of Justice na pwede na nga siyang kasuhan or may probable cause. [7:42] Ayon sa kanya, eh hindi daw siya nagkaroon ng pagkakataon na masagot yun or mag-file ng reconsideration. [7:47] And ngayon naman, ito, eh, i-exhaust naman daw nila, no? [7:51] Yung lahat ng legal processes na posible at pwede nilang gawin. [7:55] Alright, mayroon tatlong former DPWH officials excluded from the case after they turned witness, no? [8:03] How crucial would their testimonies would have been, Sana? [8:07] Well, kanina, nagulat tayo, Lord, nakasama yung pangalan nila sa mga listahan ng mga respondents. [8:12] Namely, former DPWH Undersecretary Roberto Bernardo, [8:17] Bulacan District Engineer Henry Alcantara, [8:19] and former DPWH NCR Director Gerard Opulensiak. [8:23] Later, na-drop din dahil nasa witness protection program na nga sila. [8:27] Well, I think crucial talaga yung kanilang magiging testimony [8:30] because the Ombudsman said it, [8:33] that yung corroborating yung kanilang mga statement [8:36] at kanilang mga sinabi patungkol dito sa kaso, [8:40] para nga mabuo ito, no? [8:41] So, of course, the challenge remains on the prosecution [8:44] to prove the guilt. [8:46] Pero, still, mahaba-haba pa ito. [8:49] Okay. Last two questions. [8:51] When can we expect the plunder complaints [8:53] to be filed against Senator Joel Villanueva naman? [8:57] And what other developments should we be anticipating in the next few days? [9:01] Well, at least for Senator Joel Villanueva, [9:04] the Office of the Ombudsman said it might be coming within two weeks. [9:08] They're just having or completing all the information needed. [9:11] At kapag hinug na hinug na daw ito, [9:13] e, ipafile na nga nila, no? [9:15] And probably on the other developments, [9:17] they might not be the last two senators or lawmakers [9:19] that the Office of the Ombudsman will run after. [9:22] Probably, hindi lamang limitado sa Senado, [9:25] kundi maging sa House of Representatives. [9:27] Dahil yung sinasabi nga ng Office of the Ombudsman [9:29] na niluluto nila yung grandest case of all time [9:32] or doon sa at least sa flood control, [9:35] na si dating House Speaker Martin Romualdez naman [9:38] yung posibleng maging respondent. [9:40] Alright, maraming maraming salamat sa iyong report [9:43] ng ating mobile journalist, Arles De Los Santos. [9:47] Alright, more political developments when political beat returns. [10:01] Political beat is back. [10:04] Senator Robin Padilla has defended the proposal [10:06] to allow remote participation and voting in the Senate. [10:10] In a Facebook post, Padilla cited the conflict in the Middle East, [10:14] tensions between China and Taiwan, [10:16] and the threat of extreme weather conditions [10:18] as possible force majeure situations. [10:21] Senators said events such as war, terrorism, floods, earthquakes, [10:27] and other emergencies could prevent lawmakers [10:29] from physically gathering at the Senate. [10:33] Padilla's remarks come amid a controversial push [10:36] by the majority bloc to amend Senate rules [10:38] to allow online attendance and voting under justifiable reasons. [10:43] But the minority has opposed the proposal, [10:47] even staging a walkout over concerns [10:49] that it could benefit Senators facing possible arrest, [10:52] including Senator Bato de la Rosa. [10:55] Under current Senate rules, [10:57] remote voting is only allowed during force majeure events [11:00] or national emergencies. [11:02] So, what exactly counts as force majeure? [11:07] The issue has now moved to the center of a heated Senate debate [11:11] over proposals to allow remote participation and online voting. [11:16] Under Senate rules, remote sessions may only be held [11:18] during a force majeure or, as mentioned, national emergency. [11:22] The Philippine Civil Code defines force majeure as [11:25] events that cannot be foreseen or, though foreseen, are unavoidable. [11:32] The Supreme Court also previously ruled that force majeure applies to events [11:36] beyond a person's control to make it impossible to fulfill obligations in a normal way. [11:43] Examples may include war, natural disasters, terror attacks, [11:49] or other extraordinary events. [11:54] But everything now happening in the Senate is rather extraordinary. [11:58] And to give our thoughts on all things happening in the Senate, [12:03] we have live in the studio none other than Senator Risa Ontiver. [12:08] Senator, thank you for your time. [12:09] Thank you for joining us. [12:09] Thank you for inviting me. [12:12] All right. [12:12] So, okay, gusto ko yung reaction mo, [12:14] nung tinanong ka. [12:16] Anong masasabi mo sa comment about before? [12:17] Yung definition ng kapwa mo, Senora, [12:19] and the force majeure. [12:20] Ang ganda na reaction mo is, [12:23] Diyos ko naman. [12:26] All right. [12:27] So, una sa lahat, Senator, [12:28] I would like to ask, [12:30] pero hindi na kita kakamustahin kasi baka, [12:32] alam mo naman, may group chat na naman ang mga tao ngayon. [12:35] Oh, dear. [12:39] In your years as Senate, [12:41] have you heard of stories [12:42] or has it ever happened to you that a colleague was a lawyer [12:46] ever noted your absence of, [12:49] anyone's absence of legal background? [12:51] Never. [12:52] As an insult. [12:54] Never. [12:54] But apparently, there's a first time for everything. [12:58] Pero, siyempre, talagang napaganon talaga ako eh. [13:02] Diba? Parang yung emoji sa cellphone. [13:04] Parang ano yun? [13:05] And a junior senator pa at that. [13:06] I didn't even say that to him. [13:09] Pero, ano namang klaseng? [13:11] I mean, yan ang argumento ng taong alam niyang [13:14] ang argumento niya ay mahina. [13:16] So, magsustub siya sa mga personalan. [13:20] Ad hominem, sabi nga ni Senator Irwin. [13:22] Noong nangyari yung muntik na magsuntukan [13:26] si Alan Peter Cayetano at si Meg Zubiri. [13:29] Naalala mo yun? [13:31] Previous Congress. [13:32] It was Alan at Cayetano who suddenly ambushed everyone [13:36] na patapos na yung session [13:37] with an issue about yung mga emborembo na mga mga. [13:42] Ah, tama. [13:44] Parang ang dating nun ay parang ginawa rin sa inyo the other night. [13:48] Parang ganun ho ba? [13:50] Kasi that's part of the agenda. [13:53] Pero, nagduda ho ba kayo nung hindi si Sen. Caetano yung nagpe-preside? [14:00] Nung panahon na sinabihan ako na wala akong legal background? [14:03] That is rather irregular. [14:10] Sorry, which one was hindi siya nagpe-preside? [14:13] Si Sen. Loren yung nagpe-preside at siya yung na sa floor. [14:17] Ginagawa naman talaga yan ng Sen. President kapag gusto niyang magsalita sa floor. [14:22] He requests another senator to preside for him. [14:25] At nagkakataon namang SP pro tempore si Sen. Loren. [14:28] And I guess he wanted a lawyer mula sa majority, isa siya sa mga iyon, to be on the floor to debate with us. [14:39] Why is Sen. Caetano, rather sabihin natin, not exactly a force for unity in the Sen. [14:47] I can't say. Basta ang malinaw sa akin, nasa minority ako, ibig sabihin, hindi ko naibigay yung botos ko sa kanya bilang Senate President. [15:00] Nanatili ako kay dating Senate President, ngayon ay Minority Leader Tito Soto. [15:07] And I'm very glad of that. Kami sa minority, kaya sabihin namin, solid 11. Kami very united sa hanay namin. [15:16] Kayo, ikaw rin ba'y nakakatanggap ng Mahablanca or sisig from the gentleman from Pampanga? [15:21] Oo naman! [15:21] Kaya pala, that man is universally loved. [15:26] Yeah, exactly. [15:27] Exactly. [15:28] At nung ano, everyone expected, everyone wanted the day to end. On that note sana, it would have been such a tranquil and sweet note. [15:37] Like Mahablanca, sweet. [15:38] Like Mahablanca, sweet but deadly din sa sugar. [15:43] Pero okay, have you ever, any Senate President that comes into mind, alam naman natin lahat ay may, neutrality is a myth, pero yung may sense of divisiveness as a leader, paano ba natin kaya iaano yun? [16:05] Kasi alam na, yung iba kahit iba yung political colors, not allaga in that word that they use, pero yung isang team pa rin tayo, kahit minority kayo. [16:16] Oo, dapat institutionally, yan ang position mo. Kung ikaw yung leader, tapos kahit may minority, at kahit, of course, bawat senador naman may mga opinion, lalo na tungkol sa importanteng issue. [16:34] Pero we can recall many Senate Presidents, even in the past, na ang first stance ay, yun na nga, pag-isahin lahat. [16:45] At yun, hindi lang para sa amin, Lord, para yun sa institution mismo, at para sa taong bayan, kasi ang dami naming trabaho dapat na napoproduce. [16:58] Yung attempt, sinasabi, everyone says it's an attempt at gaslighting. [17:01] Aha, attempt lang ba yun? [17:05] Parang ano na, kasi ikaw pa ngayon, parang lumalabas, yung minority pa ngayon yung insensitive, lumalabas na. [17:12] Pero yung insinuations that your absence during May 13 may have something to do with what happened. [17:20] Grabe, grabe. [17:21] Hindi ko talaga matanggap yun. [17:23] I happened to be in Bacolod that day na tinanong ako ng isang Negros reporter. [17:29] Sa presko niyo panalaman. [17:31] May side presko na ko, on the side of yung Visayas Area Conference ng PCCI, Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry. [17:38] Tapos sabi nung reporter, ah, sen, sabi ni Senate President, ganyan daw, di ako makapaniwala agad. [17:46] Sabi ko pa sa kanya, talaga magsinabi niya yun? [17:50] And nung kinonfirm, kaya sabi ko, no, no, that's totally unacceptable. [17:54] Nasabi ko pa nga, that's beneath a Senate President. [17:57] That's beneath any senator to say such a thing. [18:00] So, sinabi ko, eh, nag-adjourn na yung session. [18:03] And by the way, nung nag-adjourn ang session, lima na lang kami sa floor. [18:08] Tatlo kami sa minority, dalawa sa majority. [18:11] At yung mga unang nangingintriga na wala kami doon dahil alam namin may masamang mangyayari, [18:17] kaya umalis kami kaagad. [18:19] They were not even on the floor at that time. [18:22] So, adjourned na yung session. [18:24] Anong gagawin namin? [18:25] Uupo kami doon sa session hall. [18:27] Eh, yung original na all senators caucus, ginawa nilang majority caucus lamang tungkol daw sa committee chairpersonship. [18:36] So, umakyat na kami sa kanikanyang opisina. [18:39] Nagligpit ako. [18:40] Then, umalis na ako, papunta sa airport. [18:42] Last flight. [18:43] Para nga doon sa conference the very next day. [18:46] Sayang yung buffet. [18:47] Ah! [18:48] Hindi naman kami imbitado. [18:50] So, hindi naman kami nagka-crash ng party. [18:52] Senator, bakit si Senate President Alan, in the past few days, ay palaging may always hinting at, [19:00] if I'm removed, I'm removed. [19:01] Mga ganun. [19:02] Bakit palagi may sense of mortality yung kanyang pagka-senate president palagi? [19:07] Well, lahat naman dapat may sense of mortality. [19:10] Kahit si minority leader Tito, nung tinanong siya three weeks before sa mga ugong ng pagpapalit ng Senate presidency, [19:17] sabi lang niya, I serve at the pleasure of my peers. [19:20] I serve under the Constitution. [19:22] Dinagdag pa niya, I serve under God. [19:24] So, ganun yung, I guess, yung ugali ng isang tunay na leader. [19:30] And kung binabanggit niya ni Senate President ngayon, [19:34] I don't know, I would rather mag-focus kaming lahat, like the minority is trying to do, [19:38] sa trabaho ang dapat namin gagawin. [19:40] Anyway, sinasabi namin, solid minority kami, labing isa kami. [19:44] Labing isa. [19:44] You need more than that to change the Senate presidency. [19:49] Lucky number 13. [19:50] Yes. [19:51] Pero, Senator, yung force majeure na, tindi ng definition, pero what would make you change your mind to eventually agreeing to that, if ever? [20:07] The Senate rule, in its present form, nag-a-allow na dyan sa totoong force majeure o national emergency. [20:17] At minsan na namin nagamit yun in the past, nung panahon ng pandemic. [20:22] So, lahat, halos lahat kami, online talaga nagtatrabaho. [20:26] Except for Tito Sen. [20:27] At minsan, si Tito Sen, araw-araw pumapasok siya in person, para bukusan yung session at para i-adjourn yung session. [20:35] Pero, before and after that, may ilan na rin mga senador na hiniling, or may ibang mga senador na hiniling para sa kanila, [20:45] na makapag-deliberate, hindi pa nga vote eh, makapag-deliberate, makapag-participate sa plenaries online, [20:54] o yung isa makapag-dowes ng hearings, never na pinayagan, as in never. [21:00] So, lahat ng mga dating Senate leaderships ay hindi pumayag. [21:05] So, what's so special now? [21:07] Wala talagang force majeure situation na matutukoy. [21:11] Hindi naman pandemic ngayon, wala namang ibang national emergency na nangyayari ngayon. [21:16] And, all the more, na ang dami-daming issue na kailangan naming trabahuin para sa ating mga kababayan, [21:22] we should report in person. [21:25] Ang difference sila ay, we should move with the times. [21:28] O, di ba? Parang, kung may telephone dati ginagamit natin, ito extension ng teknolohiya siguro. [21:34] Pero, okay, alam natin ang sagot siya. [21:37] Totoo ba na after the walkout, si Sen. Ligarda daw ay pumunta sa minority at kinausap na magkakaibigan pa rin tayo dito? [21:47] Totoo ba yun? [21:48] It's a narration by Sen. Irwin Tulfo, na pag nagagalit, nagiging slang ang English talaga. [21:55] Well, I think, inimbita siya ng isa sa amin na pumunta doon sa opisina kasi nang pulong kami doon. [22:05] So, we greeted each other like colleagues. [22:09] So, gano'n, gano'n, gano'n kasimple. [22:12] But as of today, labing isa pa rin kami. [22:15] I see. [22:16] Kasi, yung very, very unstable na Senate President position. [22:23] Pero, okay, punta tayo doon sa walkout. [22:26] Was it completely spontaneous? [22:28] Iksabi kasi ng iba na may parang gesture daw, may mga hand signals daw na nangyayari. [22:32] Hindi naman hand signals. [22:34] Pero, ang gusto ko sa Senate minority, madalas o lagi at very fluid ang coordination namin. [22:44] And pag nagkaisa na kami sa pagtingin sa isang sitwasyon, [22:49] at una, susubukan naming solusyonan. [22:52] Pinagtutulungan talaga namin among our ranks. [22:55] Kaya nakita mo, siguro, Lord, yung gabing yun talagang binebate namin ng puspusan. [23:00] Doon pa lang sa procedural, on the rules. [23:03] Pero, nung naging malinaw na pipilitin talagang pagbotohan, [23:08] kahit sa tingin namin, yung pagpilit na yun na pagbotohan ng gabing yun, [23:13] ay paglabag mismo sa rules namin. [23:16] It was so fluid. [23:18] Ang bilis namin nagkasundo, and we moved as one. [23:21] Na halos lahat sa amin ay lalabas to deny a quorum to take what we believed was a violative vote. [23:34] Labag sa rules namin. [23:36] Leaving only minority leader para questionin ang quorum at para mag-move para sa adjournment. [23:42] Ang walkout ba sa mga ganong para walang quorum ay is the equivalent of, [23:47] kunyari may nagpupusoy tayo dito, [23:49] kung bigla't tinaob ko yung mesa. [23:51] Yan, yung ano, taoban ng mesa. [23:54] Parang ganon, in a slightly more orderly fashion. [23:58] Alright, I see. [23:59] What happens on Monday? [24:01] What's the game plan? [24:02] Just in case they try to revive it, the railroading attempt. [24:05] For sure, ire-revive nila, o itutuloy yung pagtalakay sa motion. [24:09] Andami ko pang at andami pa naming substantive na tanong [24:13] tungkol sa merits or demerits nung proposed amendment ni Senator Marco Leta. [24:18] Pero pag umabot na sa botohan, at least yun yung tamang timing. [24:24] Ayon sa rules of the Senate. [24:26] Kasi yung isang rule na sinasight nila, at sinight din namin in the proper interpretation, [24:33] kailangan a day before sa pagboto sa amendment ng rule, ipipresent yung motion. [24:39] So that was last Tuesday. [24:41] So ang tamang panahon, hindi kahapon kasi nga holiday kahapon, [24:46] ang tamang panahon na pwedeng nang pagpotohan ay sa lunes talaga. [24:49] Mr. President, ito yun. [24:51] May 11 pa. [24:53] Ibang motion yan. [24:57] Kaya tama si Senator Kiko. [24:59] Yung inihain ni Senator Marco Leta martes ng gabi was a new motion. [25:05] Kasi yung unang motion niya ay nirefer ng plenary sa Committee on Rules. [25:10] O, nung Tuesday night sinasabi ng majority, [25:13] hindi, binalik na yan sa plenary. [25:16] Sinong nagbalik niyan? [25:18] Dapat ang nagbabalik niyan ay yung Committee on Rules. [25:20] Eh, hindi pa nga nakoconstitute siya. [25:23] Niwala pa kaming majority leader, acting majority leader pa lang. [25:28] Eh, ang majority leader, ang chair ng Committee on Rules. [25:31] So kung walang, at hindi pa nakoconstitute yan, [25:34] certainly wala pang minority contingent sa Committee on Rules. [25:39] So hindi pa talaga pwedeng talakayin sa plenary [25:44] as if ang plenary ay may jurisdiction ulit dyan. [25:47] Kasi hindi pa ibinalik sa kanya. [25:50] ng Committee on Rules. [25:53] So it was a new motion. [25:54] Para sa amin, it was a new motion [25:56] na inihain ni Senator Marcaleta Tuesday night. [25:59] Ang cute lang nung attempt na [26:00] kung kailang palabas na kayo, [26:03] tsaka si Senate President nag-move na [26:06] to divide the House. [26:08] Nung nasa may pintuan na kayo. [26:09] It was like going on a date, [26:12] then suddenly asking na, [26:15] pwede tayo mag-honeymoon habang paalis na yung kadate mo. [26:19] Correct. [26:20] Parang gano'n. [26:21] Mali eh. [26:21] I mean, there are different rules [26:24] applying to different situations [26:25] at hindi pwede na yung ibang rule [26:28] ay mag-a-apply sa ibang sitwasyon [26:31] or status. [26:32] I see. [26:35] Okay. [26:35] So, of course, ang suspicion ng marami [26:39] kaya kuminamadali ito is [26:41] to accommodate Senators facing their own legal [26:45] personal challenges, [26:47] including Senator Bato de la Rosa. [26:52] Pero ano yung sinasabi mo noon kay Senator Marcaleta? [26:55] Na-off mic kasi siya, hindi na narinig. [26:58] Ah, nung nagtatalo kami. [26:59] Para may hawak siyang book, [27:01] hindi gumagano'n ka. [27:02] Yes, in the rules of the Senate book namin. [27:03] Ang sinasabi mo sa kanya noon, [27:04] isaksak mo sa baga mo, hindi na. [27:06] Hindi naman ganon. [27:08] Maano lang ako eh, [27:10] ma-demonstrative ako sa kamay, [27:13] lalo na pag-exasperated. [27:15] Kasi ang nangyari, [27:16] diba sabi niya, [27:17] mahirap maintindihan kasi walang legal background. [27:21] Ayun, narinig lang lahat. [27:22] So, napagano'n ako. [27:24] And then, [27:24] nag-take exception si Senator Irwin. [27:27] Sabi niya, [27:27] point of order, [27:28] ad hominem yan. [27:30] So, [27:30] sinuspend ni Senator Loren [27:33] bilang siya yung presiding officer at that time. [27:35] Tama ba siya ba yung session? [27:37] Pero kahit suspended yung session, [27:39] patuloy na nagtatulong pati si Senator Marcoleta [27:43] ng malakas ang boses. [27:44] So, [27:45] pinuntahan ko siya. [27:46] Sabi ko, [27:47] sir, [27:47] the whole time nga na kinakausap ko siya eh, [27:50] sir, [27:51] ang tawag ko sa kanya, [27:51] sir, [27:53] sobrang mali naman yung sinabi niyo [27:54] na di ko maintindihan [27:55] dahil wala akong legal background. [27:58] And so, [27:58] nagtalo kami for a few minutes [28:01] at nagtalo kami kasi [28:02] hindi niya ina-address yung point ko [28:04] na mali yung sinabi niyang [28:06] wala akong legal background [28:08] na as if yun yung basis [28:10] para talunin niya yung argumento ko. [28:12] Lagi niyang binabalik dun sa, [28:14] kasi ang piniliwanag ko [28:15] ay ang pagkakaiba ng special rule [28:18] at saka general rule [28:19] or special law. [28:20] In general law [28:21] hindi rin applicable [28:22] sa rules of the Senate [28:23] kasi walang superior [28:24] at walang inferior [28:26] sa rules ng Senate. [28:27] They are to be taken as a whole [28:29] as the rules of the Senate. [28:31] So, [28:31] paulit-ulit kami. [28:33] Sabi niya, [28:34] huwag niyong narinig naman [28:35] ang gallery. [28:36] Ako, [28:36] mababa lang yung boses ko [28:37] kasi nga [28:38] nakakahiya sa gallery [28:39] pero [28:40] malakas ang boses niya [28:41] narinig [28:42] pati sa mga video [28:43] na [28:44] paulit-ulit lang [28:45] na [28:45] huwag niyong palalawakin. [28:47] Sabi ko, [28:48] sinaside ko lang sa inyo [28:49] verbatim [28:50] yung mga salita niyo [28:51] na hindi talaga [28:52] katanggap-tanggap. [28:53] Finally, [28:54] tumalikod na siya [28:55] at umalis [28:56] so bumalik na rin ako [28:57] sa upuan ko. [28:59] Okay. [28:59] So, [29:00] pero all the time [29:01] you've kept your cool, [29:02] ano? [29:02] I tried. [29:03] Mahirap. [29:04] Saan ka mas mainit yung ulo? [29:06] Nung walk out [29:07] o [29:07] after nung video presentation? [29:10] Nung lady from [29:11] Ilocos? [29:12] Grabe. [29:13] After nung video presentation? [29:15] Kasi yung buong [29:15] feels pa lang niya, [29:18] I'm sorry, [29:18] parang fake news video talaga. [29:20] Propaganda video talaga. [29:22] And I could not believe [29:25] na ipapasok yan [29:27] sa record [29:28] of the Senate sessions [29:31] bilang ebidensya. [29:33] Privileged speech, [29:34] go. [29:35] Pero talagang [29:36] we took exception [29:37] to the video. [29:37] Kaya, [29:38] minove ni Senator Miggs [29:40] i-strike from the record [29:41] yung video na yan. [29:42] There's suspicion [29:43] na [29:44] after nung video, [29:46] nagsilita si SP [29:47] at sinabi niya na [29:49] in a very [29:51] soothing, [29:52] calm, [29:53] unusually calm tone, [29:55] sinabi niya na [29:56] and explain kung bakit [29:57] parang [29:58] good senator, [29:59] bad senator daw [30:00] ang play doon. [30:01] Huh? [30:02] At sino daw yung [30:03] good at sino yung bad? [30:04] Walaan ninyo. [30:06] Parang [30:07] tama, [30:08] i-strike out natin yan [30:09] kasi parang ganun. [30:11] Kung baka parang [30:12] may attempt na [30:14] soften yung image [30:15] or parang [30:15] give them the wise [30:17] and, [30:17] which the day after [30:19] ay of course [30:20] nawala lahat yun. [30:22] Correct. [30:22] Okay. [30:23] Senator, [30:25] everyone's [30:26] talking about [30:27] we must [30:28] restore the trust [30:29] in the Senate [30:29] as if [30:30] they're not part of it. [30:33] Paano kaya yun? [30:35] I cannot speak for them [30:37] basta [30:37] sa amin, [30:38] sa minority. [30:40] Buo yung loob namin [30:41] and solid kami [30:42] na [30:43] precisely, [30:44] I mean, [30:45] sabi ko nga, [30:46] lowest point ito [30:47] ng Senado [30:47] sa buong kasaysayan niya [30:49] and tragic talaga [30:50] and [30:52] kailangan naming [30:53] magwasto [30:53] as an institution [30:55] para maibalik [30:57] yung dating [30:58] pagtingin [30:58] at pagtingala [31:00] pa nga [31:00] pagtiwala [31:01] ng ating mga [31:03] kababayan [31:03] sa Senado. [31:04] So, [31:05] we will continue [31:06] striving our hardest [31:07] para gawin yun. [31:08] Every session day [31:10] bumababa kami [31:11] sa floor [31:11] kompleto yung [31:12] dala namin [31:13] mga papeles [31:13] para isulong [31:14] yung mga bills [31:16] ang dami [31:17] naiipon [31:17] the past [31:18] three weeks [31:19] na parang kaming [31:20] nakikipagpatintero [31:21] sa floor [31:21] sa mga issue [31:23] na parang [31:23] tungkol lang [31:24] sa aming mga sarili [31:25] e dapat [31:26] bumalik kami [31:27] sa trabaho [31:27] para sa [31:28] mga kababayan natin. [31:30] We go down [31:30] to the floor [31:31] prepared [31:31] para [31:32] itapusin [31:34] kompletuhin [31:34] yung mga [31:34] investigasyon [31:35] sa mga resolusyon [31:36] in a few months [31:37] balik kami [31:39] sa budget debates [31:40] para sa isang [31:40] higit pang [31:41] transparent [31:42] at accountable [31:43] na budget [31:43] at yun na nga [31:44] nanumpa na kami [31:45] bilang senator judges [31:46] so [31:46] nagsimula na [31:48] ang impeachment trial [31:49] at matindi [31:49] yung trabaho [31:50] kailangan [31:50] gagawin namin doon. [31:53] Okay. [31:54] Iangat ko [31:54] yung lalabas [31:55] ako ng konti [31:56] tanong ko is [31:57] there's a growing [31:58] perception globally [31:59] that liberal democracies [32:00] are emotionally [32:02] losing to populism [32:04] because populists [32:05] offer anger [32:07] simplicity [32:08] and spectacle. [32:09] So [32:10] everyone's wondering [32:13] if the [32:13] Philippine opposition [32:14] failed partly [32:16] daw [32:16] because it still [32:18] speaks the [32:18] language of [32:19] policy [32:20] while the [32:21] public [32:21] responds to [32:22] emotion. [32:24] There's [32:25] something in [32:25] that. [32:26] Siyempre [32:26] hindi namin [32:27] kailanman [32:28] mabibitawan [32:29] yung usapin [32:29] ng policy [32:30] kasi [32:30] ganun natin [32:31] pinubuo yung [32:32] mga batas [32:33] na sa paniniwala [32:34] namin [32:34] makakatulong [32:35] sa tao [32:36] at ang sasakit [32:37] ng mga problema [32:37] ng mga [32:38] Pilipino [32:39] sa ngayon [32:39] pero importante [32:41] na wake up call [32:42] din sa ating [32:43] lahat [32:44] sa lahat [32:44] na naniniwala [32:45] sa demokrasya [32:46] yung liberal [32:48] democracy [32:49] tungkol sa [32:50] partisipasyon [32:52] sa politika [32:53] ang kalayaan [32:54] yung social [32:55] democracy [32:56] na may kinalaman [32:57] sa katarungan [32:58] sa ating [32:59] lipunan [32:59] at sa ating [33:00] ekonomiya [33:01] we must [33:02] stop [33:03] forgetting [33:04] na [33:04] kasing valid [33:06] niyan [33:07] i-precised [33:08] yung damdamin [33:10] emosyon [33:11] puso [33:12] dun [33:13] nauunahan [33:14] dun kami [33:15] o dun tayo [33:16] nauunahan [33:17] ng mga [33:17] populist [33:18] mga [33:19] authoritarian [33:20] kasi [33:20] nagtatap [33:21] in [33:21] dun sa [33:22] galit [33:23] na nararamdaman [33:24] ng tao [33:25] for valid [33:26] reasons [33:27] yung sinabi [33:29] ano yung [33:29] pangalawang [33:30] binanggit mo [33:30] tapos [33:31] spectacle [33:31] siyempre [33:32] pag visual [33:33] mas nakakaarest [33:35] ng [33:35] interest [33:37] ng [33:38] isang [33:39] tao [33:39] ano yung [33:39] pangalawang [33:40] binanggit mo [33:40] anger [33:41] something [33:42] and spectacle [33:43] simplicity [33:44] so [33:45] sino bang [33:46] hindi [33:46] gusto ng [33:47] simplicity [33:48] yung [33:49] esensya [33:50] ng mga [33:50] bagay [33:50] bagay [33:51] so [33:51] dapat [33:52] matuto [33:53] din kami [33:53] ng mga [33:54] leksyon [33:55] na [33:55] may mga [33:56] elemento [33:56] dito [33:57] sa puso [33:58] sa kaisipan [34:00] sa mata [34:01] na dapat [34:02] isama namin [34:04] or [34:04] kumbaga [34:06] idagdag namin [34:07] sa lengwahe [34:07] pag pinag-uusapan [34:09] ang problema [34:10] ang analysis [34:12] bakit ito [34:12] problema [34:13] tapos [34:14] ano yung mga [34:15] tamang programa [34:16] at polisiya [34:17] para [34:17] solusyonan ito [34:18] ng sama-sama [34:19] para mas pwedeng [34:21] pagkaisahin [34:22] nating mga [34:23] Pilipino [34:23] nakakainis [34:24] ano [34:24] kailangan pa [34:25] ng ganun [34:25] I know right [34:26] kailangan pa [34:26] ng teatro [34:27] well but [34:28] tayo [34:29] mahal din natin [34:31] ang teatro [34:32] and [34:32] I mean [34:33] may mga tao [34:35] na galing sa teatro [34:36] na [34:36] naging [34:37] aktivista rin [34:38] naging leader din [34:39] si [34:39] Vaclav Havel [34:41] et al [34:42] so [34:43] sige [34:44] kung [34:44] ang theater of the absurd [34:45] ay hindi masusulat [34:46] yung nangyari [34:47] noong May 13 [34:48] oh my god [34:48] talaga [34:49] sobrang [34:49] sorry talaga [34:51] sa spectacle na yun [34:52] absurdo [34:54] at hindi talaga [34:55] dapat [34:55] na nangyari [34:57] can we have [34:57] better [34:58] more real [34:59] more humane [35:00] theater [35:00] everyone's demanding [35:02] for a boring senate [35:04] na lang sana [35:04] ayun [35:05] parang kuryente [35:06] walang tunog [35:07] pero it gets the job done [35:09] parang ganun [35:10] and [35:10] nakatch ko nga [35:11] yung isang sinabi mo [35:12] noon [35:12] na [35:12] yun [35:13] yung [35:14] basbasba [35:16] o [35:17] curse [35:19] ng mga chino [35:20] na may you live [35:21] in interesting times [35:21] paminsan-minsan din [35:22] inisip ko [35:23] can we live in [35:24] slightly more boring [35:26] predictable [35:26] dependable [35:28] times [35:28] so yun [35:30] okay [35:32] ang [35:32] of course [35:33] ayaw ako [35:34] tigilan ng mga [35:35] tao [35:36] about [35:37] 2028 [35:38] your plans [35:39] sinasabi [35:39] na wala pang [35:40] nagano [35:41] para sa opposition [35:42] daw [35:42] there are leaders [35:44] in the opposition [35:45] and I would describe it [35:47] sa ngayon [35:48] as parang nasa [35:49] primaries kami [35:50] so sabi ko [35:52] sa mga kasama [35:53] at mga kaalyado [35:54] sige [35:54] mag-compete [35:55] tayo [35:56] for one [35:59] lured [36:00] ako ay [36:00] seryosong [36:01] nagkoconsider [36:02] sa possibility [36:03] kaya [36:04] nagahanda [36:04] sa [36:05] posibilidad [36:06] na iyon [36:07] and [36:09] tingin ko [36:10] at the end [36:12] of this year [36:12] or at the latest [36:13] first quarter [36:14] next year [36:15] kung sino [36:16] sa amin [36:16] ang pinakamataas [36:18] sa halimbawa [36:20] mga surveys [36:21] magkaisa kaming lahat [36:23] para dun sa taong yun [36:24] supportahan siya [36:25] kung ako man yun [36:26] or iba yun [36:27] kasi [36:28] parang sa [36:29] naalala mo ba ba yung [36:30] Highlander [36:30] there can be only one [36:32] para may fighting chance [36:34] kala namin dati yun [36:37] ang autobiography [36:38] ni Juan Ponzi [36:39] Inrile [36:39] oh [36:40] pero okay [36:42] nakikita niya naman [36:43] yung tanong sa [36:43] saski [36:44] inutusan lang po ako [36:46] Risa Bamba [36:47] o Bam Risa [36:48] wala pa ka [36:50] ang opposition [36:51] sa ganyang pag-uusap [36:52] ng mga tandems [36:53] kasi sa ngayon [36:54] lahat ay [36:55] at all [36:56] I won't speak for everyone [36:57] I just speak for myself [36:58] ako ay seryosong [36:59] naghahanda [37:00] at [37:01] nagko-consider [37:03] so [37:03] pag umabot na [37:05] sa unang step [37:06] na [37:07] ako [37:08] or isa pa [37:09] iba pa [37:10] ay maging [37:10] standard better [37:12] namin [37:12] saka papasok [37:14] yung ganyang usapan [37:15] ng sino ang katangin [37:16] ahal po yan [37:16] okay [37:18] malalim yung tanong ko [37:19] kanina medyo [37:20] pero katsipan [37:21] ang sunod kong [37:21] tatanong sa iyo [37:22] okay [37:23] ang mga [37:24] tinutrolls ka [37:25] and they're pointing out [37:26] your frequent use [37:27] of index cards [37:29] during senate sessions [37:30] hello [37:31] para namang [37:31] ah sige po [37:33] parang gusto kong [37:35] tulad kay senator mark ulit [37:36] gusto kong mag ganun ulit [37:37] hello [37:38] hindi ba sila [37:39] nagtitake ng notes [37:40] nung estudyante sila [37:41] ako [37:42] baka kaya sila trolls [37:43] ewan ko [37:44] habit ko talaga [37:46] mula nung estudyante [37:47] ako mag take ng notes [37:48] kung itong mga trolls na to [37:51] pumunta [37:51] pumunta kayo sa office ko [37:53] makita [37:54] pag binuksan nila [37:55] yung drawer [37:56] sa desk ko [37:57] punong-puno [37:57] ng notebooks [37:58] halimbawa [38:00] nakaraang [38:01] isang dekada [38:02] ng pagtrabaho ko [38:03] sa senate [38:03] nagdo notes talaga [38:05] ako sa plenary [38:05] at saka sa hearings [38:07] at dahil doon [38:08] lord [38:08] natitrace ko [38:09] ang development [38:10] ng isang idea [38:11] or isang proposal [38:12] and feeling ko [38:15] pagtatayo [38:16] sa plenary [38:17] or magsasalita [38:18] sa hearing [38:19] dapat factual [38:20] dapat may [38:21] accuracy [38:22] or precision [38:22] kaya kailangan ko [38:24] ng notes [38:25] hindi ko naman [38:26] kain memoryahin [38:26] lahat ng mga datos [38:28] na importante [38:29] sa isang hearing [38:30] o session [38:30] may panahon [38:32] na yung nagde-defend [38:34] ang budget [38:34] andito si Vince Tison [38:36] bumubulong sa gilid [38:37] o at least [38:39] merong resource person [38:40] parang human notes [38:42] na yun [38:42] at si Frank Drelon [38:44] parang walang nakikita [38:44] kung nyari [38:45] na bumubulong [38:47] sa tabi niya [38:47] ay nako [38:49] si Sen Frank [38:50] parang living encyclopedia [38:51] yun [38:51] yun ang absurd [38:52] parang [38:53] wala pang nagpa [38:54] point out nito [38:55] oh my god [38:55] correct [38:56] okay [38:56] isa pang katsipan [38:58] na tanong [38:58] ano raw nangyari [38:59] sa alampay [39:00] ang alampay ko [39:01] ang mahal mong alampay [39:02] sorry inutusan lang po ako [39:04] ay ginamit ko yun [39:07] ng ilang taon [39:08] una bilang [39:10] personal [39:10] fashion [39:11] dahil Pinoy [39:12] na [39:13] accessory [39:14] or bahagi [39:15] sa pananamit [39:16] and then [39:17] sa at least [39:18] isang [39:18] kampanya [39:20] siya yung pang latigo [39:21] sa mga [39:22] problema [39:23] na alala mo ba yun [39:23] nung [39:24] gabi ng walkout [39:26] dapat ginala mo yun [39:27] ah [39:28] ganon [39:29] baka may tumalisik nun [39:31] ah [39:31] salamin [39:33] ah salamin pala [39:34] salamin [39:35] wala naman [39:36] nagpang sinasabi [39:37] itutuli pa ba yun [39:38] yung isang tanong [39:39] ano [39:39] okay [39:41] kasi may gusto silang [39:44] ipakitang [39:44] ad mo [39:46] isang video [39:48] na may kinalaman din [39:49] sa alampay [39:50] ayun [39:50] baka yun yung [39:51] binanggit ko sa'yo [39:52] oh [39:52] parang I think [39:53] this is an earlier [39:54] yeah [39:54] 2013 [39:55] parang medyo [39:56] maliit pa yung chan [39:58] ni Jun Sabayton [39:59] dito [39:59] aray ko [40:00] kala ko sasabihin mo [40:00] maliit pa yung chan ko [40:01] feeling ko [40:02] kaya hindi ka nanalo [40:03] sa kampanya [40:04] dahil sa alampay [40:05] hindi [40:05] dahil kay Jun Sabayton [40:06] ah naku [40:07] ah wala na [40:08] ay naku [40:09] meron na [40:10] oo [40:10] chaya [40:11] teka [40:11] ang alamat [40:19] ng alampay [40:20] ni Risa Ontiveros [40:22] alam mo ba [40:28] ang mga mahiwagang gamit [40:29] ng alampay [40:30] ni Risa Ontiveros [40:31] panlaban sa lamig [40:33] kontra sa init [40:40] pang huli ng isda [40:50] pang jumping rope [41:09] ng bata [41:10] unas ng pawis [41:25] pang beryo [41:31] MA [41:32] ganitong tunay [41:38] na gamit niyan [41:39] yan ang [41:43] hiwagang alampay [41:44] ni Risa Ontiveros [41:46] early 2000 [41:49] okay [41:50] ba talaga si Jun Sabayton [41:53] kaya huwag niya na ulitin [41:54] wala na [41:56] identified na sa kanya [41:58] maraming maraming salamat [41:59] thank you for [42:00] indulging us [42:01] maraming salamat din [42:01] you are welcome [42:02] ma-traffic na yun [42:03] at next time siguro [42:04] pag in-heated [42:05] encounters [42:06] marami kang gestures [42:08] na pwedeng gawin [42:08] senator [42:09] talaga [42:10] using only one finger [42:11] oh my gosh [42:12] yun ang un-parliamentary [42:14] but presidential [42:16] at one point [42:17] oh okay [42:18] thank you for joining us [42:20] senator [42:21] Risa Ontiveros [42:22] political beat [42:24] we'll be back [42:24] on this day [42:53] May 28 [42:54] 1898 [42:56] in Alapan [42:58] Cavite [42:59] fierce fighting [43:00] rage [43:01] from 10 in the morning [43:02] and by 3 in the afternoon [43:04] 300 Spanish soldiers [43:06] surrendered [43:07] to Filipino [43:08] revolutionaries [43:10] it was Emilio Aguinaldo's [43:12] first military victory [43:13] after returning from [43:14] exile in Hong Kong [43:16] to mark this important moment [43:18] the national flag [43:20] was unfurled [43:21] for the very first time [43:23] and let's make that [43:25] clear [43:26] it was in the triumphant [43:28] battlefields of Alapan [43:29] May 28 [43:30] 1898 [43:31] and not June 12 [43:32] from a balcony [43:33] in Kawit Cavite [43:34] that the Philippine flag [43:36] first flew [43:37] which is why [43:38] today [43:38] May 28 [43:39] is national flag day [43:41] it was not like that [43:42] before [43:43] from 1941 [43:44] to 1964 [43:45] flag day [43:47] was celebrated [43:47] also [43:48] same day [43:49] as Independence Day [43:50] until in 1965 [43:51] Just Dado Macapagal's [43:53] proclamation number [43:54] 374 [43:56] moved flag day [43:57] to May 28 [43:58] and by virtue [43:59] of an executive [44:00] order in 1994 [44:02] Fidel Ramos [44:02] extended the celebration [44:04] beyond a simple [44:05] one day affair [44:07] flag day [44:09] now became [44:10] flag days [44:11] from May 28 [44:12] to June 12 [44:14] all Filipinos [44:15] were encouraged [44:17] to display [44:17] the Philippine flag [44:18] it should be seen [44:20] in all offices [44:22] schools [44:22] homes [44:23] businesses [44:23] and especially [44:25] government agencies [44:26] and departments [44:26] like you know [44:28] the Senate [44:28] of the Philippines [44:29] well especially [44:30] the Senate [44:31] of the Philippines [44:32] inside that hall [44:34] it's the first thing [44:35] it's the first image [44:36] the biggest image [44:37] that all 24 senators [44:38] should see [44:39] if they only bother [44:40] to look up [44:41] from their phones [44:42] or break out [44:44] from or break away [44:45] from their [44:45] little conspiratorial [44:48] hurdles [44:49] because there was [44:51] a time in our history [44:53] when displaying [44:53] the flag [44:54] and its variations [44:55] was a crime [44:56] under the American [44:59] colonial government [45:00] the ironically named [45:02] flag law [45:03] from 1907 [45:03] to 1919 [45:04] banned [45:05] displaying [45:06] of the Philippine flag [45:08] or any banner [45:09] or emblem [45:10] bearing its motifs [45:11] as well [45:12] as other [45:13] iconographies [45:14] of the insurrection [45:16] violators [45:17] were slapped [45:18] with a fine [45:18] of up to [45:19] 5,000 pesos [45:20] and imprisonment [45:21] of a maximum [45:22] of five years [45:23] that was how [45:25] our then [45:26] American overlords [45:27] understood [45:28] the power [45:29] of symbols [45:29] how red [45:31] white [45:31] and blue [45:32] are not [45:32] just mere colors [45:33] of the spectrum [45:34] but potential [45:35] memorials [45:36] of a previous [45:37] generation's [45:38] blood wrench [45:39] struggles [45:39] the colonial [45:41] rulers [45:42] were aware [45:43] a people [45:44] who will [45:44] fight [45:45] to the death [45:46] for abstractions [45:48] like independence [45:49] identity [45:50] and liberty [45:51] will find [45:53] renewed [45:53] revolutionary [45:55] inspiration [45:55] in images [45:56] melodies [45:57] and words [45:59] and other [46:00] similar [46:00] abstractions [46:02] but this should [46:02] hold true [46:03] up to now [46:04] especially [46:05] in the cynical [46:06] now [46:07] about how [46:09] a flag [46:10] is not just [46:10] a piece [46:10] of fabric [46:11] but mythology [46:13] compressed [46:14] in textile [46:15] form [46:16] a living [46:17] reminder [46:17] of the [46:18] thousands [46:18] of lives [46:18] sacrificed [46:19] on the [46:20] battlefields [46:21] of history [46:22] just so [46:23] the next [46:24] generation [46:24] can call [46:26] themselves [46:26] free [46:27] so next time [46:28] we see [46:28] the flag [46:29] ask yourself [46:30] with all the [46:31] madness [46:31] in today's [46:32] politics [46:32] was it all [46:34] worth it [46:35] happy flag [46:36] day everyone [46:37] and that's [46:38] the political [46:39] beat [46:39] this Thursday [46:40] 28th of May [46:42] I am Lord [46:43] Vera [46:43] and enjoy [46:44] the rest [46:45] of the evening [46:46] I am Lord [46:46] listening to [46:58] tomorrow [46:58] I am Lord [46:59] my Lord [47:00] if I am Lord [47:01] was it not [47:01] that I am Lord [47:02] in the [47:03] Lord [47:03] I am Lord [47:04] God [47:04] he is [47:04] home [47:05] he is [47:06] good [47:06] I am Lord [47:08] you [47:08] I am Lord [47:08] you [47:09] I am Lord [47:10] our Lord [47:11] as [47:12] this [47:12] I am Lord [47:13] I am Lord [47:14] my Lord