Headstart: Senator Risa Hontiveros on probe on online gaming amid school violence, VP impeach trial

[0:00] All right, joining us this morning is Senator Risa Ontiveros. [0:03] Senator Ontiveros, good morning to you. [0:06] Good morning, Karen. Please excuse my voice. Paus lang. [0:09] Well, actually, to everybody watching, matindi po ang alagay ng panahon. [0:14] Sa labas ng ating mga tanganan, it's raining cats and dogs. [0:18] It's quite strong outside, so I do understand. [0:22] So, Senator Ontiveros, what happens now? [0:25] Let's start first with this. The founder, the designer of Gorebox declined. [0:31] So, he is a German citizen. [0:34] It's said that the game itself is really for 18-year-olds and above. [0:40] So, is it within the responsibility of our country to ban those games or to safeguard our children? [0:49] Oh, no question about safeguarding our children, Karen. [0:52] Pero, salamat din sa pagtatanong nito, ah, dahil pinutaktin ang fake news yung office ko over the weekend. [0:59] I never recommended or said, even thought, about banning any game, including this Gorebox. [1:11] So, linawin ko, ah, ang nag-ban yan ay isang government agency natin. [1:18] Wala pang rekomendasyon ni findings lumalabas sa Senate Committee on Women because we are still to hold the hearing tomorrow. [1:27] So, wag pong pangunahan ng mga nag-fake news over the weekend. [1:31] Doon po tayo sa totoo. [1:33] Ang totoo ay may mga batang napatay, may mga magulang na naulila sa anak, may marami pang bata na sugatan at malalim ang trauma. [1:47] In such a situation, when the DOJ also said that this case bears the markings of the possible influence of NVE, yung nihilistic violent extremism, [2:02] of course, our committee would call all the stakeholders involved. [2:07] Kasama na po yung Gorebox. [2:09] Because I did read what Mr. Phillips said, mayroon namang safeguards within the game itself. [2:15] I would have wanted to ask him, what are these safeguards? [2:19] Are they actually sufficient in his own experience as the developer of Gorebox? [2:25] He is within his rights to decline. [2:28] It's just regrettable. [2:29] Dahil makikita niyo bukas ang dami ko sanang tanong sa kanya. [2:34] And we had a good precedent. [2:35] When we heard the earlier or held the earlier hearing with Roblox, yung mga bosses ng Roblox ay nagparticipate, Karen, kahit sa Zooman lang. [2:48] And following that hearing, they actually started to strengthen the existing safeguards within their game. [2:56] But we invited the broadest range of stakeholders. [2:59] Yung mga magulang, nung mga napatay. [3:04] Yung tita, nung isang shooter na sinasabing PNP personnel at may-ari nung baril na nakuha yung isa sa mga batang bumaril. [3:14] We invited, of course, DepEd, DSWD, also Globe and Smart. [3:21] We invited the Game Developers Association of the Philippines, PNP Tacloban, and many others. [3:27] Kasi malawak itong issue, Karen. [3:30] Of course, it is about parental control. [3:33] It is about gun access. [3:36] Maraming factors. [3:37] Pero kailangan sanang marinig din yung developer ng Gorebox. [3:42] Because it seems, no? [3:44] Itong NVE or nihilistic violent extremism, [3:48] Ang operasyon nito, there are malign actors who enter into the games. [3:54] They spot and target. [3:56] Sinusubukan nilang kaibiganin yung ilang mga batang naglalaro doon. [4:01] And then, apparently, they lure them out of the gaming platform and onto other spaces like Messenger, [4:10] as in the case of the Roblox hearing. [4:14] Doon nila ginugroom yung mga bata para sa karahasan. [4:17] So, I would have wanted the Gorebox developer to be there. [4:22] But if he's still not going to participate tomorrow, [4:24] marami po tayong matututunan doon sa ibang mga stakeholders [4:28] about how to make games and how to make our whole society safer for our children, [4:36] both online and, of course, offline, pati sa ating mga eskwelahan. [4:41] Okay. So, temporarily, right now, in the Philippines, [4:45] it is the Cybercrime Investigation and Coordinating Center. [4:50] Yes, CICC. [4:52] CICC. [4:53] So, the CICC was able to temporarily ban the sandbox game Gorebox in the Philippines. [5:01] So, if we do have an agency that can temporarily ban online games, [5:09] why don't we just have a list as a country and do it ourselves? [5:14] Because I was looking at the list, for example, Belgium and the Netherlands. [5:20] They've already banned Roblox, FIFA, and some mobile titles on their own, right? [5:28] So, kumbaga, Russia also blocked Roblox temporarily for certain reasons. [5:36] In other words, if we have the agency to do it, [5:39] why don't we research as a country the most violent games that are out there and just ban them? [5:47] Well, that would be a possibility for any country, even the Philippines. [5:52] Pero so far, Karen, ha, sa tinakbo ng aming investigasyon sa Roblox, [5:57] yung nagiging papel niya dun sa buti na lang na pigilan ng law enforcement authorities natin, [6:04] yung pinaplano daw na school shooting din sa Laguna. [6:08] And now, the invitation, sayang hindi pa pinauunlakhan, [6:12] to Gorebox to also participate in our investigation on the school shooting in Tacloban. [6:18] So far, as I mentioned earlier, multifaceted itong problema. [6:23] It's not related to gaming alone and even gaming itself. [6:27] Alam mo, Karen, I'm actually interested in doing a Philippine study [6:31] together with experts and the gaming community. [6:35] Kaya nagpapasalamat ako sa Game Developers Association of the Philippines. [6:39] They already came out with a very good statement [6:42] and they are participating in the hearing tomorrow. [6:45] Iniisip ko... [6:47] Excuse me. [6:48] Yeah, go ahead, ma'am. [6:49] Nasamid lang po. Sorry. [6:53] Iniisip ko. [6:54] Maka magandang gumawa tayo. [6:56] Ang Philippine study. [6:57] There isn't a Philippine study yet. [6:59] There are global and other mission studies [7:03] on how do we make sure that games remain spaces for fun, [7:09] for entertainment, even for creativity. [7:13] There's no established correlation, [7:17] sabi nung iba, [7:18] between even violent games and violent behavior in society. [7:22] Pero how do we make even those spaces [7:25] even safer for the players, [7:28] especially the children? [7:30] I'm especially concerned about minors. [7:33] And to tell you, Karen, [7:34] ako mismo, [7:36] yung isang anak ko gamer. [7:38] So, ipokrita naman ako [7:39] if I will zoom in on only one factor. [7:42] That was never my point. [7:44] That is never the point of the Committee on Women. [7:46] Kaya magdadaos kami ng isang hiling bukas [7:50] to look at all the many factors involved [7:53] in this terrible tragedy, [7:56] yung karahasan na ginawa sa Tacloban. [7:59] I'm curious, [8:00] did you also invite the Coordinating Cybercrime Investigation [8:04] Coordinating Center? [8:05] Yes, for sure. [8:07] For me as a parent, [8:08] one of my sons also game. [8:10] And I agree with you completely, [8:12] it's not banning all the games. [8:14] But it is also about banning some of the games. [8:20] I mean, there are a list of games [8:22] even flagged by the United States [8:25] that are quite violent. [8:27] Gorebox, People's Playground, [8:29] Grand Theft Auto, [8:31] tuturuan ka magnakaw ng sasakyan, [8:33] magbukas, magnakaw, [8:36] madabi ganun, [8:37] it depicts torture, drug use. [8:40] So there are so many games out there [8:43] that are really violent for 18 years old and above. [8:47] But then, minors can get in those games. [8:51] Oo, by certain dishonest means. [8:53] Yes. [8:54] Also, there is some legitimacy [8:57] in banning certain games. [9:01] As I said earlier, [9:03] that could be part of a menu of measures [9:06] to be taken up by the Philippines [9:08] or any other country. [9:09] Pero gusto ko rin bigyan ng pansin [9:11] yung magandang statement [9:13] ng Psychological Association of the Philippines. [9:15] They did call for more parental supervision [9:19] sa paglalaro ng mga minors [9:21] in games in general [9:23] and especially in violent games. [9:27] So, ito yung mga factors na pag-uusapan, [9:30] magsasurface kami ng findings about these, [9:33] and we will come up with solidly founded recommendations [9:38] kung pa paano, overall, [9:41] mapigilan natin, maulit pa [9:42] yung teribling school shooting sa Tacloban [9:46] and in general, [9:47] make our society, [9:49] including online games, [9:51] safer for our children and our minors. [9:54] Okay. [9:55] My last question on just the Gorebox itself. [9:58] Yes. [9:59] With the German founder declining, [10:02] yung totoo, [10:03] yung totoo. [10:05] We have no jurisdiction as a country over him. [10:09] So, the most that you can do [10:11] is ask help and facilitation from the embassy. [10:16] Am I correct? [10:17] But he can choose to not participate. [10:19] He can choose to not participate, [10:21] but if he's listening [10:23] or this can reach him somehow, [10:25] I'd like to remind Mr. Philip [10:27] that the developers of Roblox, [10:30] the bosses of Roblox themselves, [10:32] participated in the hearing [10:34] of the Senate Committee on Women earlier [10:36] about their game. [10:39] And the committee really appreciated that [10:41] because they shed light [10:42] on what they said [10:43] were existing safeguards and protocols. [10:46] They listened openly [10:47] to our constructive feedback [10:50] and criticism [10:51] about how these may be still inadequate [10:53] given the situation [10:55] that was just nipped in the bud [10:57] in Laguna. [10:58] Also, nihilistic, [11:01] violent extremism actors [11:03] using Roblox [11:05] to get to the young people [11:07] who were found [11:08] to have been planning [11:09] a school shooting [11:11] in that province. [11:12] And since that earlier hearing [11:14] of the Senate Committee on Women, [11:16] the Roblox management [11:18] have been, they say, [11:20] strengthening their safeguards [11:23] and protocols. [11:24] So, kung nakikinig si Mr. Philip [11:26] and I am seeking the help [11:28] of the German embassy, [11:29] I really hope [11:30] that in a later hearing, [11:31] he will change his mind [11:33] and choose to participate [11:34] because as his letter [11:36] to the committee [11:36] and to the Philippine Daily Enquirer [11:38] said, [11:39] he too is concerned [11:41] about the safety [11:42] of Filipino minors. [11:44] All right. [11:45] Now, the discussion has moved [11:47] and you did say [11:48] that there are so many [11:50] different issues here. [11:53] So, you do have some sectors, [11:55] even some of your colleagues, [11:57] Senator Robin Padilla [11:58] being one of them, [11:59] already now pushing [12:01] to lower the age [12:02] of criminal liability [12:04] to 10 years old. [12:06] I believe now [12:07] it is at 15 po ba [12:08] o 16, Senator? [12:09] 15 years old. [12:10] That's right. [12:10] 15 years old. [12:12] And bumaba na po ba [12:13] ang 15? [12:15] No. [12:15] Ay, hindi. [12:16] It's still at 15. [12:18] During the time [12:19] of former President [12:20] Rodrigo Duterte, [12:22] so the juvenile justice law [12:24] was passed [12:25] during the time [12:26] of the late [12:27] President Noy Noy. [12:29] No, [12:30] President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. [12:33] Yes. [12:34] So we did [12:34] a story on that. [12:37] And nung time na yun, [12:38] 15 na po yun. [12:40] 15. [12:41] And during the time [12:42] of former President Duterte, [12:44] they tried [12:45] to lower it, [12:46] it did not move. [12:47] Yes, it did not move. [12:48] Yes, it did not move. [12:49] Yes, it did not move. [12:49] Yes, it did not move. [12:50] Yes, it did not move. [12:50] Yes, it did not move. [12:50] Yes, it did not move. [12:50] Yes, it did not move. [12:51] Yes, yes. [12:52] Ngayon, [12:52] the clamor [12:53] is getting bigger [12:54] to lower it [12:56] to 10 years old. [12:58] Well, I think that [12:59] the juvenile justice law [13:01] needs to be evaluated [13:03] and further strengthened. [13:06] Higit pa dun [13:07] sa usapin [13:08] ng lowering ng age, [13:09] I think ang isa [13:10] sa pinaka-importanting [13:11] i-review ngayon, Karen, [13:12] is the intervention program. [13:15] By the way, [13:16] we also invited tomorrow [13:18] the Munting Lupa [13:20] Bahay Pag-asa, [13:21] which is one of the best practices [13:23] in terms of intervention programs. [13:25] Kasi kahit minorte edad, [13:27] kung nakagawa [13:28] ng ganitong kateribling [13:29] marahas na krimen, [13:31] nakapatay ng kapwa-bata, [13:34] there must be [13:35] very strong [13:36] and effective interventions [13:38] to take those children [13:40] outside [13:41] of that violence cycle [13:43] in which they have [13:44] placed themselves [13:45] at kung saan sila [13:46] kumilos, [13:47] nakapatay, [13:48] nakasakit [13:49] sa kapwa-bata. [13:50] Kailangan [13:51] may justisya [13:52] ang mga pamilya [13:53] nung namatayanin. [13:55] And for those children [13:56] who will be proven [13:58] to have committed [13:59] those crimes, [14:01] kailangan talaga [14:02] merong effective [14:03] na intervention program. [14:05] Bukod sa sinasabi [14:07] dating separate facilities [14:09] ng DSWD, [14:10] we want to look [14:11] at the actual [14:12] psychosocial, [14:14] psychiatric, [14:15] neurological, [14:17] mental health [14:18] interventions [14:19] of the DSWD [14:21] sa mga batang ito. [14:22] Okay. [14:23] Now, Senator, [14:24] what does the law [14:25] exactly say [14:26] in terms of penalty [14:28] for minors [14:29] under the juvenile justice law? [14:32] So let's say ngayon, [14:33] menor de edad sila, [14:34] I think one is 14 years, [14:35] over 15. [14:37] Yes. [14:38] So pasok sila [14:39] na kapag na-convict, [14:40] hindi agad bilibid, [14:42] yun yun eh. [14:43] Yung 15, [14:44] sakop siya. [14:45] Kasi yung 15 [14:46] ang minimum age [14:47] ngayon. [14:48] Kung mapatunayan siyang [14:50] acted with [14:51] discretion. [14:53] Oo. [14:53] Kasi meron silang [14:55] chat thread [14:55] that actually discussed [14:57] allegedly [14:58] the juvenile justice act [14:59] save the law. [15:01] In Filipino, [15:02] hindi tayo makukulong. [15:04] May chat thread [15:05] daw na ganun. [15:06] So ang tanong ko, [15:07] the 14-year-old, [15:09] for example, [15:10] if hypothetically [15:11] they are convicted, [15:12] what happens? [15:14] Does the law provide [15:16] that he will be first [15:17] in a community center [15:19] for one year [15:20] and then moving [15:21] on to a regular [15:22] jail cell [15:23] at 15 [15:24] onwards, [15:25] once you are [15:26] 15 years old, [15:28] does, [15:28] you know, [15:29] does the law, [15:30] whether 15 [15:31] or 17 [15:32] or 18, [15:34] will there be [15:34] the same punishment [15:36] once the child [15:37] is 15? [15:38] Hindi ganun. [15:38] Hindi. [15:39] At saka, [15:39] speaking of those [15:40] alleged [15:41] conversations [15:43] between [15:44] the two suspects [15:45] na nakapatay [15:46] sa mga bata, [15:48] I've heard also [15:48] other conversations [15:49] that that's fake news [15:51] that they didn't [15:52] really post [15:53] about knowing [15:54] about the law. [15:55] But that aside, [15:57] iyong [15:58] prescribed ngayon [16:00] sa juvenile justice law [16:01] ay mananagot [16:02] kahit ang minority edad [16:04] kapag gumawa siya [16:05] ng krimen [16:06] for children, [16:08] for young people [16:09] below 15. [16:10] Ibig sabihin, [16:12] makokustody sila [16:13] ng DSWD. [16:14] They are not [16:15] to be set free [16:16] just because [16:17] of their age. [16:18] Makokustody sila [16:20] sa DSWD [16:21] in a bahay pag-asa [16:23] for at least [16:24] one year [16:25] at masasubject [16:26] sa intervention [16:27] programs. [16:29] Pero, [16:29] I want to go [16:30] into greater detail [16:31] about that, [16:31] Karen. [16:32] Paano talaga [16:33] ang intervention [16:34] programs so far [16:35] for children [16:37] na nakagawa [16:38] ng krimen [16:38] at hindi lang [16:39] minor crimes, [16:41] yung mga major crimes [16:42] katulad nito [16:44] nakapatay, [16:45] nakasugat [16:46] sa kapwa-bata. [16:48] And when they reach [16:50] 15, [16:51] when they, [16:52] sorry, [16:52] before I move on [16:54] to as they grow older [16:55] at mag, [16:56] kahit yung minority edad, [16:57] yung below 15, [16:58] magbabayad din [16:59] sa pamilya [17:01] in the form [17:02] of community service [17:04] and others [17:04] that may be [17:05] prescribed [17:06] by the DSWD [17:08] and the law. [17:09] And as they grow, [17:10] yes. [17:10] Pero hindi ba pwedeng [17:11] pag naging adult, [17:12] they are transferred, [17:14] they carry out [17:15] their sentence [17:15] in a regular [17:17] jail cell. [17:18] Yun yung isang [17:19] pag-uusapan [17:20] ng Senate Committee [17:21] when it takes up [17:23] yung evaluation [17:24] and the amendment, [17:26] possible amendment [17:27] of the juvenile [17:27] justice law. [17:29] Kasi I know [17:29] that question is [17:30] in the mind, [17:31] kahit sa maraming [17:32] adults, [17:33] paano pag [17:33] umabot na [17:35] dun sa minimum [17:35] age of 15, [17:37] lalo na paano [17:37] pag umabot [17:38] sa edad na [17:39] 18, [17:41] yung age of [17:41] majority. [17:42] I'm sure [17:43] papasok dyan [17:44] yung mga tanong [17:45] ng double jeopardy [17:47] ba? [17:47] Kung may judgment [17:48] na sa kanya [17:48] at 14, [17:50] makatarungan ba [17:51] may judgment [17:52] ulit [17:52] at maaring iba [17:53] at 15, [17:54] 16, [17:55] 17, [17:55] 18. [17:56] So, [17:57] kaya importante [17:58] na bukod sa [18:00] Senate Committee [18:01] on Women [18:02] that I believe [18:02] other Senate [18:03] committees [18:04] ay kikilos [18:05] kasunod nitong [18:06] madugong [18:07] trahedya [18:08] sa Tacloban [18:09] para mas maraming [18:11] kumikilos [18:13] papunta [18:14] sa katarungan. [18:15] Let's now [18:16] move on [18:16] to the [18:17] impeachment. [18:18] The impeachment [18:19] trial starts [18:20] on July 6, [18:22] and it will [18:22] be the first [18:23] time, [18:24] frankly speaking, [18:26] coming from [18:26] Erap Estrada, [18:28] from Renato [18:29] Corona, [18:30] in both [18:31] those impeachment [18:32] trials, [18:33] the senators [18:33] were complete. [18:34] There were [18:35] 24 senators. [18:37] So, [18:37] right now, [18:37] there are [18:38] 22 senators [18:40] who will be [18:41] present in [18:42] the plenary [18:42] if Rodante [18:44] Marcoleta [18:45] is arrested, [18:47] right? [18:47] There will [18:48] be [18:48] 21. [18:53] How does [18:54] this affect [18:55] the trial [18:56] in any way? [18:59] I can't say [19:00] yet, [19:00] Karen. [19:01] I think [19:02] top of mind [19:02] for people [19:03] ay ilan [19:05] ang kailangan [19:06] para mag-convict [19:07] or para mag-acquit. [19:09] But that is [19:10] a question [19:10] that would [19:11] have to be [19:11] discussed [19:12] by the [19:13] impeachment [19:13] trial court [19:14] itself. [19:15] Maraming [19:15] naglumalabas [19:16] na legal [19:18] opinions, [19:19] pero [19:19] ang [19:20] korte [19:20] mismo, [19:21] lahat [19:22] kaming [19:22] mga [19:22] senator [19:23] judges [19:23] mismo, [19:24] palagay ko [19:25] ang kailangan [19:25] magsasettle [19:26] noon. [19:26] What is your [19:31] reaction [19:31] with [19:33] essentially [19:35] the narrative [19:39] of [19:39] your opposing [19:42] camps, [19:42] those aligned [19:43] to Vice [19:44] President [19:45] Sara Duterte [19:46] or the [19:46] Cayetano [19:47] block, [19:48] na iniisa-isa [19:49] kami, [19:50] yung iniisa-isa [19:51] kaming kasuhan [19:52] at ipakulong. [19:54] So, [19:55] I mean, [19:56] Bato is a [19:56] different scenario [19:57] because it was [19:58] the ICC [19:59] that issued [20:00] the arrest [20:01] warrant [20:01] against him, [20:02] nagtatagukta, [20:04] but then [20:04] Jingoy Estrada [20:05] and soon [20:07] Rodante [20:07] Marcoleta. [20:09] There's a [20:10] threat of, [20:11] there was a [20:11] threat of [20:12] Joel Villanueva [20:13] at one point [20:14] and it looks [20:15] like that [20:16] has settled [20:16] somehow. [20:18] But what [20:18] is your [20:19] reaction [20:19] to that [20:20] narrative [20:21] that this [20:22] government [20:22] iniisa-isa [20:24] ang mga [20:25] kumbaga [20:26] sympathetic [20:27] kay Vice [20:28] President [20:28] Sara Duterte? [20:30] I don't [20:31] see that [20:32] kind [20:32] of a [20:33] pattern [20:34] or [20:34] ongoing [20:36] development [20:36] Karen [20:37] kasi [20:37] kahit [20:38] alin [20:39] sa mga [20:39] legal [20:41] troubles [20:42] or woes [20:43] na yan, [20:44] yung mga [20:44] kasong [20:44] yan, [20:45] and you [20:45] did mention [20:45] also one [20:47] of our [20:47] colleagues [20:47] even in [20:48] the majority, [20:49] umaandar yan [20:51] over the [20:51] past [20:52] few years [20:53] already. [20:54] Hindi [20:54] biglaan [20:55] ngayon [20:56] dahil [20:56] palapit [20:57] na ang [20:57] isang [20:58] importanteng [20:59] at [20:59] institutional [21:00] process. [21:03] So, [21:04] I think [21:04] dahil [21:06] yung [21:06] ibang [21:06] mga [21:06] prosesong [21:07] iyon [21:07] na [21:08] delay [21:08] dati, [21:09] yung [21:09] iba [21:09] kailangan [21:10] ulitin [21:10] ngayon, [21:11] parang [21:12] nagpapangapang [21:12] abot [21:13] lahat-lahat. [21:14] The different [21:15] processes [21:16] are meeting [21:17] together [21:17] at this [21:18] one [21:19] upcoming [21:19] crossroads. [21:21] Mahirap [21:22] man harapin, [21:23] it makes [21:23] it more [21:23] the situation [21:24] more [21:25] complex, [21:25] pero [21:25] wala [21:26] kaming [21:27] magagawa [21:27] sa [21:27] Senate, [21:28] kundi [21:28] harapin [21:29] yun [21:29] on the [21:30] one [21:31] side [21:31] as a [21:31] legislative [21:32] body, [21:33] and on [21:33] the [21:33] other [21:34] side [21:34] as the [21:35] impeachment [21:35] trial [21:36] court. [21:36] At [21:36] syempre, [21:37] hindi [21:37] rin [21:37] naman [21:37] namin [21:38] pwedeng [21:38] diktahan [21:39] yung [21:40] mga [21:40] separate [21:41] and [21:41] co-equal [21:41] branches [21:42] of [21:42] government [21:42] namin, [21:43] whether yung [21:44] judiciary [21:44] or yung [21:45] executive. [21:47] So, [21:48] it's not [21:49] an ideal [21:50] situation, [21:51] pero [21:51] lahat [21:51] ng mga [21:52] prosesong [21:52] iyan, [21:53] may [21:53] obligasyon [21:54] kami [21:54] bilang [21:55] senado [21:56] or [21:56] in [21:57] that [21:57] case [21:57] bilang [21:57] impeachment [21:58] trial [21:58] court. [21:59] So, [21:59] kailangan [22:00] lang [22:00] namin [22:00] gawin [22:02] ang [22:03] bawat [22:03] isang [22:03] trabahong [22:04] iyon [22:04] according [22:05] to the [22:06] mandates [22:06] of each [22:06] particular [22:07] process. [22:08] So, [22:09] take us [22:09] through [22:09] the [22:10] process [22:10] and [22:11] I [22:11] think [22:11] the [22:11] scheduling [22:12] on [22:13] July [22:13] 6, [22:14] the [22:14] impeachment [22:15] trial [22:16] essentially [22:17] opens [22:18] at [22:19] 2 [22:19] in [22:19] the [22:20] afternoon [22:20] and [22:21] for [22:21] the [22:21] public [22:22] to be [22:22] prepared [22:22] because [22:23] this [22:23] will [22:23] be [22:23] covered [22:24] by [22:24] ANC [22:25] live [22:26] each [22:26] and [22:26] every [22:27] day [22:27] which [22:27] we've [22:27] always [22:28] done [22:28] since [22:29] the [22:29] time [22:30] of [22:30] Estrada. [22:31] How [22:32] long [22:32] can [22:33] the [22:33] trial [22:33] last [22:34] in [22:34] a [22:35] day? [22:36] Oh, [22:36] we [22:36] can't [22:37] really [22:37] say [22:37] Karen, [22:38] in a [22:38] day [22:39] or [22:39] in [22:39] the [22:39] following [22:40] weeks [22:41] or [22:41] even [22:41] months. [22:42] Depende [22:42] po [22:43] sa [22:43] tagal [22:45] nakukunin [22:46] ng [22:46] prosecution, [22:47] ng [22:47] defense [22:48] panels, [22:49] kung [22:50] kaming [22:50] mga [22:50] senator [22:51] judges [22:51] ay [22:52] mga [22:52] ngailangang [22:53] magtanong [22:54] sa kahit [22:55] sino [22:55] sa kanila. [22:56] It [22:56] really [22:56] depends [22:57] on how [22:58] much [22:58] time [22:59] both [23:00] panels [23:00] will [23:01] need [23:01] to [23:01] take [23:01] to [23:02] make [23:03] their [23:03] case [23:03] before [23:04] us, [23:04] the [23:04] senator [23:05] judges. [23:05] At [23:05] I [23:07] believe [23:07] na [23:07] i-appreciate [23:08] namin [23:09] gaano [23:09] mang [23:09] kahaba [23:10] o [23:10] kaiksing [23:11] oras [23:11] o [23:11] panahon [23:12] ang [23:12] kukunin [23:12] nila [23:12] because [23:13] this [23:13] will [23:13] really [23:14] be [23:14] the [23:14] very [23:14] very [23:15] first [23:15] time [23:16] we [23:16] will [23:16] be [23:17] hearing [23:17] yung [23:18] kanilang [23:18] mga [23:19] ebidensya, [23:20] yung [23:20] kanilang [23:20] mga [23:21] witnesses [23:21] ng [23:22] parehong [23:23] panels [23:23] at [23:24] yun [23:24] kasi [23:24] yung [23:25] kailangan [23:25] naming [23:26] timbangin [23:27] para [23:28] sa [23:29] moment [23:29] na [23:29] magdidesisyon [23:31] na kami [23:31] at [23:31] boboto [23:32] kung [23:32] convict [23:33] ba [23:33] or [23:34] acquit [23:34] ba. [23:34] Now [23:35] there [23:36] will [23:36] be [23:36] four [23:37] complaints [23:37] accusations [23:38] that [23:39] will [23:39] be [23:39] brought [23:39] before [23:40] the [23:41] Senate [23:41] no [23:41] apat [23:42] yun [23:42] against [23:43] Vice [23:43] President [23:43] Sara [23:44] Duterte [23:44] but [23:45] a [23:45] conviction [23:46] on [23:46] one [23:47] is [23:48] enough [23:48] to [23:48] convict [23:49] and [23:50] impeach [23:50] to [23:51] convict [23:52] or [23:52] to [23:52] acquit [23:53] yes [23:53] but [23:55] iyan [23:55] ang [23:55] tanong [23:55] ko [23:56] if [23:56] you [23:56] convict [23:57] one [23:57] and [23:58] acquit [23:58] on [23:58] the [23:58] others [23:59] will [24:00] she [24:00] still [24:00] be [24:01] impeached [24:01] as [24:01] Vice [24:02] President [24:02] well [24:03] sa [24:04] ngayon [24:04] impeached [24:05] na [24:05] si [24:06] Vice [24:06] President [24:07] ng [24:08] House [24:08] so [24:09] ang [24:09] natitirang [24:09] decision [24:10] sa [24:10] trial [24:11] would [24:11] be [24:12] to [24:12] convict [24:13] or [24:13] to [24:13] acquit [24:14] if [24:15] the [24:15] court [24:15] finds [24:16] that [24:17] she [24:17] is [24:17] convicted [24:18] in [24:18] one [24:19] on [24:19] one [24:19] ground [24:20] sa [24:20] apat [24:20] na [24:21] grounds [24:21] conviction [24:22] po [24:23] iyon [24:24] yes [24:25] and [24:25] then [24:26] she [24:26] will [24:26] be [24:26] formally [24:27] impeached [24:28] from [24:28] her [24:29] office [24:29] because [24:30] then [24:30] both [24:30] houses [24:31] have [24:31] already [24:32] in [24:32] effect [24:33] impeached [24:33] her [24:33] right [24:34] if [24:34] if [24:35] convict [24:35] court [24:38] matatanggal [24:39] siya [24:40] sa [24:40] office [24:41] niya [24:42] so [24:42] the next [24:44] question [24:45] is [24:45] the votes [24:47] to [24:47] convict [24:48] right [24:48] the [24:49] constitution [24:50] technically [24:51] just says [24:51] two-thirds [24:52] of all [24:53] members [24:54] of the [24:54] senate [24:55] so [24:55] it leaves [24:56] it as [24:57] that [24:57] it doesn't [24:58] say [24:58] members [24:59] of the [24:59] senate [24:59] who can [25:00] vote [25:00] who are [25:01] present [25:02] yun ang [25:02] mahirap [25:03] dun eh [25:03] so [25:04] open [25:04] to [25:04] interpretation [25:05] pero [25:06] what can [25:07] a person [25:07] do [25:07] if you [25:08] can't [25:08] vote [25:09] how [25:09] could [25:09] you [25:09] still [25:10] count [25:10] 16 [25:11] kung [25:11] hindi [25:11] naman [25:12] makaparticipate [25:13] ang [25:13] iba [25:14] halimbawa [25:15] nakakulong [25:16] namatay [25:16] nagtatago [25:18] paano [25:18] mo [25:19] bibilangin [25:20] yun [25:21] diba [25:21] yun na [25:22] nga [25:22] yung [25:22] tanong [25:23] na [25:23] nagsusulputa [25:25] na [25:25] yung [25:25] iba't [25:25] ibang [25:26] legal [25:26] opinions [25:27] at [25:27] kailangan [25:28] masettle [25:28] namin [25:29] dun [25:29] sa [25:29] impeachment [25:30] trial [25:30] court [25:31] perhaps [25:31] isa rin [25:33] itong [25:33] sitwasyon [25:34] na [25:34] binabanggit [25:34] ko [25:35] kanina [25:35] na [25:35] hindi [25:36] ideal [25:37] but [25:38] we've [25:38] come [25:39] to [25:39] this [25:39] dahil [25:40] sa [25:40] nagsasanib [25:43] sanib [25:43] na [25:44] yung [25:44] iba't [25:44] ibang [25:44] mga [25:45] proseso [25:45] which [25:46] each [25:46] must [25:47] be [25:48] tackled [25:50] which [25:50] each [25:50] must [25:51] be [25:51] engaged [25:52] in [25:52] according [25:53] to [25:53] its [25:53] own [25:54] rules [25:54] legal [25:55] judicial [25:56] processes [25:57] legislative [25:58] process [25:58] namin [25:59] sa [25:59] senate [25:59] itong [26:00] pabukas [26:01] na [26:01] trial [26:01] proper [26:02] impeachment [26:03] trial [26:04] so [26:04] magkakaiba [26:05] and [26:06] advances [26:07] or steps [26:08] back [26:08] in one [26:09] process [26:10] may [26:10] affect [26:11] yung [26:12] hugis [26:13] ng [26:13] magiging [26:14] proseso [26:14] dun [26:14] sa isa [26:15] and I [26:15] think [26:16] this [26:16] is [26:16] one [26:16] example [26:17] yung [26:18] tanong [26:19] ngayon [26:19] yung [26:20] mabigat [26:20] na [26:20] tanong [26:20] ngayon [26:21] ilan [26:21] nga [26:22] ba [26:22] ang [26:22] kakailanganin [26:23] to [26:23] convict [26:24] or [26:24] to [26:24] acquit [26:25] dito [26:26] sa [26:26] impeachment [26:27] trial [26:27] so [26:28] again [26:28] it's [26:29] not [26:29] an [26:29] ideal [26:30] situation [26:30] pero [26:31] wala [26:32] we [26:32] have [26:33] to [26:33] deal [26:35] with [26:35] the [26:36] imperfect [26:36] hands [26:37] kung [26:37] sa [26:38] baraha [26:38] dealt [26:39] us [26:39] in [26:40] each [26:40] process [26:41] subukan [26:42] naming [26:42] tapat [26:44] na [26:44] gawin [26:45] yung [26:45] proses [26:45] according [26:46] to [26:46] each [26:46] one [26:47] separate [26:48] rules [26:48] and [26:49] just [26:50] push [26:50] the [26:50] envelope [26:50] as [26:51] far [26:51] as [26:52] we [26:52] can [26:52] because [26:53] with [26:54] 21 [26:55] senators [26:56] two [26:56] thirds [26:57] would [26:57] mean [26:58] 14 [26:58] senators [26:59] can [27:01] either [27:02] convict [27:03] to [27:03] get [27:03] a [27:04] conviction [27:04] with [27:04] 14 [27:05] compared [27:06] to [27:07] let's [27:07] say [27:07] 16 [27:08] ang [27:10] majority [27:10] ngayon [27:11] you [27:11] are [27:11] now [27:11] how [27:12] many [27:12] are [27:13] you [27:13] right [27:13] now [27:13] you [27:14] are [27:14] 13 [27:15] so [27:16] that [27:17] makes [27:17] a [27:17] big [27:17] difference [27:18] in [27:18] terms [27:18] of [27:18] conviction [27:19] from [27:20] 13 [27:20] I [27:21] mean [27:21] this [27:21] is [27:21] a [27:21] hypothetical [27:22] scenario [27:22] that [27:23] all [27:23] 13 [27:23] of [27:24] you [27:24] would [27:24] convict [27:25] but [27:25] that's [27:25] also [27:26] not [27:26] a [27:26] certainty [27:27] let me [27:27] just [27:28] let [27:28] the [27:28] audience [27:29] know [27:29] that [27:29] but [27:30] who [27:30] can [27:31] decide [27:31] on [27:32] that [27:32] can [27:33] you [27:33] decide [27:34] and [27:34] vote [27:35] on [27:35] that [27:35] number [27:36] as [27:36] a [27:36] body [27:37] or [27:38] that [27:38] has [27:38] to [27:38] be [27:39] brought [27:39] to [27:39] the [27:39] Supreme [27:40] Court [27:40] well [27:41] sa [27:42] maraming [27:42] limilitaw [27:44] nga [27:44] na [27:44] legal [27:45] opinions [27:46] yun [27:46] yung [27:47] isang [27:47] lumalabas [27:48] na [27:48] the [27:49] impeachment [27:49] trial [27:50] court [27:50] as a [27:52] court [27:52] na may hawak [27:54] sa sarili [27:54] niyang [27:54] rules [27:55] of [27:56] impeachment [27:56] proceedings [27:57] ang [27:58] pwedeng [27:59] magdetermine [28:00] yan [28:00] ibig [28:01] sabihin [28:01] magdetermine [28:03] ano [28:03] yung [28:03] ibig [28:04] sabihin [28:04] ng [28:04] constitutional [28:05] mandate [28:06] sa [28:07] ganitong [28:07] sitwasyon [28:08] all [28:11] right [28:11] who [28:12] is [28:12] the [28:12] presiding [28:13] officer [28:14] of [28:14] the [28:14] trial [28:15] so [28:15] usually [28:16] automatically [28:17] it [28:17] is [28:18] the [28:18] senate [28:18] president [28:19] but [28:21] some [28:23] say [28:24] he [28:24] isn't [28:25] a [28:25] lawyer [28:25] but [28:26] technically [28:27] speaking [28:27] that [28:28] is [28:28] not [28:28] a [28:28] qualification [28:29] i'd [28:30] like [28:30] to [28:30] tell [28:30] our [28:31] audience [28:31] you [28:32] don't [28:32] the [28:32] constitution [28:33] does [28:34] not [28:34] state [28:35] that [28:35] you [28:35] need [28:35] to [28:35] be [28:35] a [28:36] lawyer [28:36] nor [28:37] the [28:37] senate [28:38] rules [28:38] that [28:39] you [28:39] need [28:39] to [28:39] be [28:40] a [28:40] lawyer [28:40] as [28:40] a [28:40] presiding [28:41] officer [28:41] but [28:41] it [28:42] would [28:42] help [28:42] pero [28:43] what [28:43] are [28:43] the [28:44] plans [28:44] sino [28:44] na [28:45] ang [28:45] presiding [28:45] officer [28:46] well [28:47] as [28:47] you [28:47] said [28:47] traditionally [28:48] ang [28:48] presiding [28:49] officer [28:49] ay [28:50] yung [28:50] senate [28:51] president [28:51] so [28:52] bubuksan [28:53] ni [28:53] SP [28:54] Sherwin [28:54] yung [28:55] impeachment [28:55] trial [28:56] earlier [28:57] inamend din [28:58] namin [28:58] yung [28:59] rules [28:59] of [29:00] the [29:01] impeachment [29:01] trial [29:02] proceedings [29:04] to [29:05] allow [29:05] the [29:06] presiding [29:06] officer [29:07] to [29:07] designate [29:08] another [29:08] senator [29:09] judge [29:09] para [29:10] mag [29:10] preside [29:10] over [29:11] one [29:12] or [29:12] a [29:12] number [29:12] of [29:13] sessions [29:13] so [29:14] yung din [29:15] po [29:15] yun [29:15] so [29:16] is [29:17] what [29:17] about [29:18] the [29:18] truth [29:18] to [29:19] what [29:19] we're [29:19] hearing [29:19] that [29:20] senator [29:21] cheese [29:21] escudero [29:22] will [29:23] be [29:23] voted [29:23] on [29:24] by [29:24] the [29:24] majority [29:25] to [29:25] be [29:25] the [29:25] presiding [29:26] officer [29:27] or [29:27] assigned [29:28] he [29:29] he [29:29] may [29:30] or [29:30] any [29:30] one [29:31] of [29:31] other [29:32] senator [29:32] judges [29:33] may [29:33] be [29:33] designated [29:34] by [29:35] the [29:35] senate [29:35] president [29:36] or [29:36] the [29:36] presiding [29:37] officer [29:37] ayon [29:38] dun [29:38] sa [29:39] kasalukuyang [29:40] rules [29:40] of [29:41] the [29:41] impeachment [29:42] trial [29:42] and [29:43] mag-apply [29:44] din [29:45] yung [29:45] dati [29:46] na ring [29:46] rule [29:47] na [29:48] kapag [29:48] may [29:49] ruling [29:49] ang [29:49] presiding [29:50] officer [29:50] si [29:51] SP [29:52] Sherwin [29:52] man [29:53] yun [29:53] or [29:53] ibang [29:54] senator [29:54] judge [29:54] na [29:55] i-designate [29:56] ng [29:56] presiding [29:56] officer [29:57] kung kahit [29:58] sinong [29:59] senator [29:59] judge [30:00] pa [30:00] ay [30:00] tutol [30:01] dun sa [30:02] ruling [30:02] ng [30:03] presiding [30:03] officer [30:04] pwedeng [30:05] mag-object [30:05] on the [30:06] floor [30:06] at [30:07] pagbobotohan [30:07] namin [30:08] on the [30:08] floor [30:08] so [30:09] merong [30:09] ganun [30:10] as a [30:11] whole [30:11] body [30:11] as a [30:12] whole [30:12] court [30:13] lahat [30:13] ng [30:13] senator [30:13] judges [30:14] so [30:15] may [30:15] ganong [30:15] check [30:15] and [30:15] balance [30:16] even [30:17] with [30:17] the [30:17] presiding [30:18] officer [30:18] now [30:19] speaking [30:20] of [30:20] Senator [30:21] Sherwin [30:22] Gatchalian [30:22] right [30:23] now [30:24] all [30:24] over [30:25] social [30:25] media [30:26] there [30:26] is [30:26] what [30:27] they're [30:27] calling [30:27] the [30:28] win [30:29] re [30:29] political [30:30] tandem [30:30] because [30:31] you know [30:32] the [30:32] Risa [30:33] na [30:33] movement [30:34] was already [30:35] launched [30:36] last [30:37] June 5 [30:37] right [30:38] may [30:39] movement [30:39] na [30:39] Risa [30:40] na [30:40] movement [30:40] and [30:41] and [30:41] ngayon [30:42] may [30:42] win [30:42] re [30:42] itong [30:43] win [30:44] re [30:44] is [30:44] this [30:44] serious [30:45] yun [30:45] ang [30:45] una [30:45] kong [30:46] tanong [30:46] seryoso [30:47] ba [30:47] itong [30:47] tandem [30:48] you'll have [30:49] to ask [30:49] that they [30:51] call [30:51] themselves [30:51] winners [30:52] yung mga [30:52] shippers [30:53] yung mga [30:54] yung mga [30:55] bata [30:55] na [30:56] mukhang [30:57] natutuwa [30:58] sa akin [30:58] natutuwa [30:59] kay [31:00] SP [31:01] Sherwin [31:01] and [31:01] I do [31:02] thank [31:02] them [31:03] silang mga [31:04] winners [31:05] I thank [31:05] them [31:06] for their [31:06] interest [31:07] in [31:07] yung [31:07] trabaho [31:08] namin [31:08] sa [31:08] Senate [31:09] at [31:09] yung [31:09] support [31:10] nila [31:10] and [31:11] actually [31:12] Karen [31:12] yung [31:12] support [31:12] ang [31:13] nagyogenerate [31:14] nila [31:14] among [31:15] other [31:16] netizens [31:16] para [31:17] sa [31:17] trabaho [31:18] ng [31:18] Senado [31:19] they have [31:21] their own [31:22] rules [31:23] what I [31:24] appreciate [31:24] I don't [31:25] know about [31:25] the [31:25] question [31:26] of how [31:26] serious [31:26] they [31:27] are [31:27] pero [31:28] na [31:28] appreciate [31:28] ko [31:29] na [31:29] they're [31:29] keeping [31:29] it [31:30] very [31:30] respectful [31:31] and [31:32] professional [31:33] right [31:34] now [31:34] because [31:35] technically [31:36] it's [31:36] a [31:36] ship [31:37] so [31:40] parang [31:40] love [31:41] team [31:41] kumbaga [31:42] daw [31:42] sabi [31:42] nung [31:43] social [31:44] media [31:45] no [31:45] but [31:46] I think [31:48] the [31:48] public [31:48] may [31:49] not [31:49] know [31:49] but [31:50] you [31:50] have [31:50] Senator [31:51] Sherwin [31:52] Gatchalian [31:52] who [31:52] is [31:52] single [31:53] you [31:54] yourself [31:55] when [31:55] I [31:55] interviewed [31:56] you [31:56] you [31:57] are [31:57] not [31:58] technically [31:58] single [31:59] I [32:00] have [32:00] a [32:00] long [32:01] time [32:01] partner [32:02] already [32:03] so [32:03] hindi [32:04] itong [32:04] winry [32:05] is [32:06] more [32:06] of [32:06] for [32:07] 2028 [32:08] more [32:08] than [32:08] anything [32:09] I [32:10] don't [32:10] know [32:10] kung [32:11] yun [32:11] ang [32:11] intention [32:12] nung [32:12] mga [32:12] winners [32:13] yung [32:13] mga [32:14] shippers [32:14] kasi [32:14] apparently [32:15] sinasabi [32:17] nila [32:18] na [32:18] binuo nila [32:19] yung [32:19] community [32:20] nila [32:20] I [32:21] don't [32:21] know [32:21] a year [32:21] ago [32:22] or a [32:22] few [32:22] years [32:22] ago [32:23] so [32:23] ano [32:24] lang [32:24] parang [32:25] fun [32:27] lang [32:27] nila [32:28] ito [32:28] at [32:28] saka [32:28] parang [32:29] happiness [32:31] lang [32:32] nila [32:32] ito [32:32] or [32:33] tuwa [32:36] lang [32:36] nila [32:37] ito [32:37] so [32:37] ako [32:38] naman [32:38] ay [32:39] in this [32:40] time [32:40] na [32:41] ang daming [32:41] negative [32:42] na lumalabas [32:43] sa ating [32:43] mundo [32:44] sa ating [32:44] bansa [32:45] pati sa ating [32:46] gobyerno [32:47] natutuwa [32:48] naman ako [32:49] na [32:49] may mga [32:50] bata [32:51] may mga [32:51] tao [32:52] shippers [32:53] man [32:54] nakakahanap [32:56] or nakakagawa [32:57] sila [32:58] ng [32:58] ikatutuwa [32:59] naman nila [33:00] I mean [33:01] it's [33:01] the light [33:02] is a [33:02] positive [33:03] energy [33:03] so [33:04] how can [33:05] you [33:05] quarrel [33:05] naman [33:06] with that [33:06] all right [33:07] but [33:08] certain [33:09] things [33:10] may not [33:10] be [33:10] serious [33:11] it may [33:12] be [33:12] for [33:12] good [33:13] vibes [33:13] but [33:14] for [33:14] 2028 [33:16] run [33:16] would [33:17] you [33:17] consider [33:17] that [33:18] as [33:18] already [33:19] serious [33:20] with [33:20] former [33:21] vice [33:21] president [33:22] Lenny [33:22] Robredo [33:23] stating [33:24] over [33:25] and [33:25] over [33:25] again [33:26] I [33:27] will [33:27] not [33:27] run [33:28] well [33:29] definitely [33:30] yung [33:30] mga [33:31] usaping [33:31] 2028 [33:33] napakaseryoso [33:34] talaga [33:35] so [33:36] there are [33:37] hindi lang ako [33:38] nag-iisa [33:39] sa hanay namin [33:40] there are [33:41] several of us [33:42] na [33:43] seriously [33:44] or ako ha [33:44] speak for myself [33:45] na lang [33:46] I'm seriously [33:47] considering [33:47] and preparing [33:48] for it [33:49] and I would [33:50] say [33:51] dahil [33:51] may iba [33:52] pang [33:52] mga [33:52] kaalyado [33:53] na [33:54] either [33:55] naghahanda [33:56] or [33:56] kinukombinsing [33:58] maghanda [33:59] ngayon [34:00] Karen [34:00] parang [34:01] nasa [34:01] period [34:01] kami [34:02] ng [34:02] isang [34:03] primaries [34:06] so [34:06] sabi ko [34:07] okay lang yun [34:08] the more [34:09] options [34:09] the better [34:10] committed [34:11] lang ako [34:12] and [34:13] hinihingi ko [34:14] sa lahat [34:14] ng mga [34:14] kaalyado [34:15] na [34:16] say [34:17] by the end [34:17] of this [34:18] year [34:18] kung sino [34:20] sa amin [34:20] ang pinakamalakas [34:22] let's [34:23] unite [34:23] around [34:24] that [34:24] person [34:25] kung [34:25] ako yun [34:26] makikiusap [34:27] ako [34:28] sa lahat [34:29] ng [34:29] kaalyado [34:30] o [34:30] ganito [34:30] yung [34:30] numbers [34:31] ko [34:31] kung [34:32] ako [34:32] ang [34:33] pinakamalakas [34:33] can you [34:34] support [34:35] me [34:35] kung [34:36] may [34:36] ibang [34:37] pinakamalakas [34:38] I will [34:39] support [34:39] that [34:40] person [34:40] kasi [34:41] ang [34:41] pinaka [34:42] essential [34:42] sakin [34:43] magkaisa [34:44] kaming [34:45] lahat [34:46] at [34:47] para [34:48] magkaroon [34:48] ng [34:49] fighting [34:49] chance [34:50] alright [34:51] to already [34:52] propose [34:53] alternative [34:53] governing [34:54] and [34:55] leadership [34:55] yun yun eh [34:56] exactly [34:57] something [34:58] different [34:59] something [34:59] new [35:00] something [35:01] better [35:02] para sa [35:03] ating [35:04] bayan [35:05] okay [35:05] alright [35:06] well thank you [35:07] so much [35:07] senator [35:08] thanks very [35:08] much [35:08] for your [35:09] time this [35:10] morning [35:10] you take [35:10] care with [35:11] your [35:11] voice [35:11] today [35:12] salamat [35:12] will do [35:13] ingat [35:13] din [35:13] bye [35:14] Karen