Headstart — ANC (1 June 2026)

[0:00] In ANC, we were witnesses to the defining moments of Philippine history that influenced the world. [0:07] A living truth sa bangsa. [0:15] It's the Philippines. [0:22] And we are ANC. [0:25] The views and opinions expressed in the following program do not necessarily reflect the policies and position of this network. [0:38] Hello everyone, it's Monday, June 1st here in Manila. [0:57] I'm Karen Davila giving you the head start for the day. [0:59] Our guests for Hot Copy today, we have Lead House Prosecutor Batangas Representative Jervil Luistro on the prosecution's preparations for the impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte. [1:14] And later on, former Senator Richard Gordon will be joining us. [1:19] First, the headlines. [1:22] Today's big stories, the death toll in the collapsed building in Pampanga, now at 12. [1:29] Senate President Alan Peter Cayetano defends the creation of a blue-ribbon subcommittee that will focus on the flood control scandal. [1:42] And Vietnam's president embarks on a state visit to the Philippines to boost trade and security operations. [1:50] Several Housemakers or lawmakers laud the Senate minorities' walkout as they also question the timing of the proposed rule change that could have a significant impact on the impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte. [2:12] Agatha Gregorio reports. [2:14] The Senate minority earned praise from some House lawmakers after their walkout from plenary on Tuesday. [2:22] The senators left the session hall as the majority insisted on tackling a proposal to amend the rules to allow members of the Senate to remotely participate in sessions and vote online. [2:33] For Representative Antonio Tino, it was the right move. [2:35] Reasonable din at tutulan yung gusto nilang mangyari na i-allow ang online voting. [2:45] Especially dahil malinaw, ang immediate beneficiary nito ay isang senador na nagtatago sa isang legitimate na warrant of arrest. [2:59] House trial spokesperson Rep. Zia Alonto Adjong also lauded the senators for strongly opposing the proposal to ensure the integrity of the impeachment process. [3:10] Adjong says there is no extraordinary situation such as a pandemic to justify online participation. [3:16] Another House trial spokesperson, Rep. Rene Koh, echoes the need for senator judges to be physically present to appreciate the evidence and demeanor of witnesses. [3:26] Makita nga natin kahapon sa Senate, ang pinag-uusapan ay yung general rules lang din, hindi rin yung sa rules on impeachment. [3:32] Kung magkakaroon man ang pagbabago sa modes of engagement, kailangan may amendments doon sa rules on impeachment. [3:42] For House Prosecutor Rep. Joe Etchua, the timing of the proposed rule change, especially as the impeachment trial nears, raises questions. [3:50] Yung timing, masasabi nga natin na medyo the timing is a suspect. [3:56] But then again, sinasabi ko rin na ito ay internal ng mga member sa Senado. [4:04] Yung nangyari kahapon sa Senado, medyo nakakabahala. [4:08] Dahil siyempre, unang-una nakikita natin na may mga narinig tayo na argumento na bagamat alam natin na hindi tayo sumasa nga yun, pero pinipilit. [4:23] Pero siyempre, at the end of the day, yan naman ay within the members ng Senado. [4:29] House Prosecutor Rep. Kaka Bagau says she agrees with concerns raised on how Senators would come up with their vote if they are not physically present. [4:39] Meantime, members of the House Prosecution Panel, including Bagau and Etchua, went to Batasang Pambansa on Wednesday for a mock trial as part of their preparations. [4:48] According to Bagau, they are mindful that discussions will not be too technical. [4:52] In a statement, Adjong appealed to the Senate to reconsider the reported date of the impeachment trial's commencement, which is July 6th. [5:01] Citing the Constitution, Adjong says the trial should proceed forthwith. [5:06] Tingog Partylist Rep. Judah Sidre also raised concerns over an alleged coordinated effort to undermine the integrity of the House Prosecution Panel, [5:16] citing the spread of baseless accusations online. [5:19] Agatha Gregorio, ABS-CBN News. [5:21] All right, joining us this morning is Lead House Prosecutor, Batangas 2nd District Representative, Jervil Ruistro. [5:32] Representative Ruistro, good morning. [5:34] Good morning, Karen, and good morning to all our viewers. [5:37] All right, I want to ask your thoughts because you weren't interviewed on that. [5:42] Your thoughts on the proposal for electronic voting when it comes to the impeachment trial. [5:51] What are your thoughts on that? [5:53] Karen, ever since I am not conformed to that, no, I am against that because for me, this impeachment process is sacred, is solemn. [6:05] This is a power that is given to the sovereign Filipino people, which we are exercising, us as prosecutors and the senators as the judges to this impeachment trial. [6:20] And of course, there are circulating discussion already that this is about the situation of Senator Bato. [6:30] So I wish to add to that, that if Senator Bato risks his liberty in voting for the change of leadership, he has to show more courage now because this impeachment trial is responding to a constitutional mandate. [6:47] Ultimately, Karen, I was listening to the debates of the senators, and it is clear in the Senate rules that there are only two occasions when electronic voting is allowed. [7:00] So I hope that is during national emergency and during force majeure. [7:03] So I think there should be no debate unless the Senate really would want to exercise their rulemaking power as an institution to amend the same. [7:13] But I hope that they will be sensitive as well to the sentiments of the Filipino people. [7:19] And while both houses, both chambers have their own rules, sa mababang kapulungan po ba, are you allowed to vote electronically? [7:29] Sa inyo po? [7:30] Sa inyo po? [7:31] Sa inyo po? [7:32] Sa inyo po? [7:33] Sa inyo po? [7:34] Sa inyo po? [7:35] Sa inyo po? [7:36] Sa inyo po? [7:37] Sa inyo po? [7:38] Sa inyo po? [7:39] Sa inyo po? [7:40] Sa inyo po? [7:41] Sa inyo po? [7:42] Sa inyo po? [7:43] Sa inyo po? [7:44] Sa inyo po? [7:45] Sa inyo po? [7:46] Sa inyo po? [7:47] Sa inyo po? [7:49] Sa inyo po? [7:50] Sa inyo po? [7:51] Sa inyo po? [7:52] Sa inyo po? [7:53] Sa inyo po? [7:54] Sa inyo po? [7:55] Sa inyo po? [7:56] Sa inyo po? [7:57] Sa inyo po? [7:58] Sa inyo po? [7:59] really a sacred and a solemn process that they must exercise personally, no? [8:05] And also, it will be quite unfair for those who are attending personally [8:10] if we will be allowing those who are not present to vote remotely. [8:16] So, yun ang naaalala ko about the voting on the existence of probable cause. [8:22] A significant number of justice members really reached out to me. [8:26] Some reached out to speakers, some reached out to some house leaders [8:31] who consulted me as to my position. [8:34] And I maintain my position that I am not allowing the online voting [8:38] because this is a sacred process. [8:41] They need to be present. [8:42] Also, with regards to the significance of the trial, Karen, for senator judges, [8:48] it is important really that they witness the demeanor of the witnesses [8:52] because that is only by observing. [8:56] The witnesses' demeanor that they should, they would be able to say [9:01] whether these people are telling the truth or otherwise, no? [9:05] So, paano ka bobo to if you did not observe the demeanor of these witnesses, no? [9:11] And if you are present during the presentation of this witness, [9:14] the more that you should be present in casting the vote. [9:16] So, from the practical point of view to the constitutional point of view, [9:22] to the rules of the Senate, I think consistent naman. [9:26] They should be present in their discharge of duty as senator judges to this impeachment trial. [9:34] Very interesting nga na sa dun palang sa to-decide on probable cause, [9:39] may nag-request na pala ng online sa inyo. [9:42] So, ang tanong ko lang dito, [9:43] when you didn't allow it, did they show up? [9:47] Did they find a way to show up? [9:49] Or some, really, they were not able to vote? [9:52] What I understand, Karen, because that was break, no? [9:57] Recess ng house. [9:59] Most of those house members who requested to vote online [10:02] were actually far from the country, no? [10:05] They were abroad, no? [10:06] I don't know any who were just in the Philippines [10:10] who likewise requested for an online voting. [10:13] But for those who requested, of course, they were not able to join [10:17] apparently because they are out of the country during that time. [10:21] Okay. Now, you need 16 votes for a conviction. [10:26] So, ang nasa minority ngayon is 11. [10:29] Although, of course, we are hoping that senator judges [10:33] will really decide based on the evidence. [10:37] But some have said that even if the majority senators, [10:41] lagay mo Senator Bato, is not there. [10:44] Halimbawa, ma-aresto si Senator Jingoy Estrada [10:48] or hindi makaboto, may iba pa na halimbawa ma-aresto at wala doon. [10:53] Some have questioned the possibility or even the ability [10:58] to come up with 16 votes. [11:01] If all 11 of the minority vote to convict, [11:05] where are you expecting to get the five? [11:08] Well, Karen, of course, I do not believe in the allegation [11:16] na ginigipit ang majority. [11:18] Because first and foremost, [11:21] may controversies na surrounding the majority block [11:24] even before the change of leadership. [11:28] We know that. [11:28] As to where we will be getting the additional to the minority of 11, [11:35] first, we are not certain yet [11:37] if this 11 will be voting all for conviction. [11:41] As to where they will be coming from, [11:44] I think it all depends on the weight of evidence [11:49] that the prosecution will be able to present. [11:52] In one interview, Karen, I said that [11:55] our concern only is the presentation of evidence. [12:00] That is our constitutional duty [12:02] as prosecutors from the House of Representatives [12:05] to vote as to whether the vice president [12:09] will be convicted or acquitted. [12:12] That is a duty that rests upon the senator judges. [12:16] However, let us not forget [12:19] that the sovereign Filipino people [12:22] will be watching us kinly, closely, right? [12:26] Which means that all of us, [12:29] the prosecutors as well as the senator judges, [12:32] will be judged as well by the viewing public. [12:36] So if the evidence is strong [12:39] and the decision of the senator judge [12:42] is not aligned with the evidence presented, [12:46] there might be repercussions on the position. [12:49] which the senator judge will be maintaining. [12:53] And in that case, [12:54] ultimately, it will be the sovereign Filipino people [12:58] who will be judging us. [12:59] First, they will be judging us. [13:02] Naging maayos ba [13:03] ang presentation of evidence [13:05] ng mga prosecutors? [13:07] Pakit nila Trinan Smith? [13:09] Wick naman pala. [13:10] So we should be able to show [13:12] that we have strong evidence [13:14] to convict the vice president. [13:16] Because otherwise, [13:17] if we do not convince the public, [13:19] hanggang diyan lang pala yan, [13:21] sa naging presentation [13:23] sa Justice Committee of the House, [13:25] we will be prostrating [13:26] the anticipation, [13:29] the expectation [13:31] of our beloved countrymen. [13:34] And the same is true [13:35] pagdating naman sa mga senator judges. [13:38] Ang lakas ng ebidensya [13:39] and then the position will be to acquit, [13:42] we will be accountable as well [13:45] to the people whom we serve. [13:47] So regardless of the fact [13:49] that it will be the senator judges [13:51] who will be voting, [13:53] and we need 16 to convict, [13:55] I am more focused [13:58] on the presentation of evidence [14:00] and my accountability [14:01] to the Filipino people. [14:03] Okay. [14:04] Now, quite interestingly is, [14:06] for example, [14:07] the ICC has released a timeline [14:10] before the actual trial [14:12] of former President Rodrigo Duterte, [14:15] and they don't allow for surprises. [14:18] Nakita natin [14:19] the presentation of evidence, [14:21] even the narrowing out of the evidence, [14:24] the submission of the list [14:26] of those who will testify, [14:28] it is so specific [14:29] and each party can prepare. [14:32] Dito naman sa impeachment, [14:34] syempre, iba. [14:35] Pero ang tanong ko, [14:36] are you allowed [14:37] to give surprise witnesses? [14:41] Are you allowed? [14:42] What are you allowed [14:44] and not allowed so far? [14:48] Well, we are pushing [14:50] for a pretrial conference, Karen, no? [14:54] Which is akin to what [14:56] you just mentioned [14:57] about the ICC. [14:59] We are supposed to submit [15:00] our stipulation of facts, [15:02] the list of witnesses [15:05] to be presented, [15:06] although we can make reservation [15:08] with respect to those [15:09] whom we cannot name yet, no? [15:12] We can also do the marking [15:15] of our voluminous exhibits, [15:17] most especially with respect [15:19] to the confidential fund, no? [15:21] and unexplained wealth, no? [15:24] The purpose of this actually [15:25] is to simplify, [15:28] shorten the trial [15:30] so that all other concerns [15:32] na pwede nang pag-usapan [15:34] even before the presentation [15:36] of evidence, [15:37] i-address na dito [15:38] sa pretrial conference. [15:40] I heard from the media, [15:42] it was actually [15:43] Senator Erwin Tulfo [15:45] who said that, [15:46] na my tentative date [15:48] for pretrial conference [15:49] which is June 15, [15:51] and we heard also, [15:54] I just don't know [15:55] who is the senator, [15:57] that July 6th [15:58] will be the first trial date. [16:00] Our problem, Karen, [16:01] is to this date, [16:03] wala pa kaming official notice, no? [16:06] Wala pa kaming official information [16:07] as to the dates. [16:08] But then again, [16:10] we continue on preparing [16:12] and with respect to your question, [16:14] anong pwede at anong hindi, [16:15] we're bound by the pretrial order. [16:17] Kung talagang magkakaroon [16:18] ng pretrial conference, [16:20] whatever we agree on [16:22] during the pretrial conference, [16:24] isusulat yan ang impeachment court [16:26] dun sa kung tawagin namin, [16:28] pretrial order. [16:30] That pretrial order [16:31] will be binding [16:32] both to the prosecution [16:33] and the defense, [16:34] which therefore means [16:35] we cannot debate [16:36] from what we listed down [16:38] in the pretrial brief [16:39] during the conference. [16:41] I'm curious, representative, [16:43] what exactly [16:44] is happening [16:45] right now [16:46] in terms of [16:47] what the impeachment court [16:48] has ordered? [16:50] Is it for the vice president [16:51] to respond? [16:52] Anong state ngayon? [16:55] Anasan tayo ngayon? [16:57] They issued a writ of summons, [16:59] remember, [17:00] to the respondent vice president [17:01] to file her answer [17:02] within a non-extendable period [17:05] of 10 days. [17:06] Today is the last day [17:08] for the filing of answer. [17:09] Okay, today is the 10th day na. [17:12] Yeah, that's correct. [17:14] And after receipt [17:15] of that answer, [17:16] the prosecution [17:16] is given opportunity also [17:19] within a non-extendable period [17:20] of five days [17:21] to file a reply. [17:24] And I already intimated [17:26] to the team [17:27] that upon receipt [17:28] of the answer [17:30] of the vice president, [17:31] we should be able [17:32] to file our reply [17:33] at least until Friday. [17:35] Although, [17:36] although, [17:37] the fifth day [17:37] should be Monday [17:38] kasi papataksyo [17:40] ng Saturday, [17:41] so under the rule, [17:42] the next working day [17:43] should be the last day [17:44] and that is Monday. [17:46] Pero gusto mo, [17:47] madaliin na lang, [17:48] matapos na, [17:49] so dapat may Friday, [17:50] mag-reply na. [17:52] So after your reply, [17:54] which would be, [17:55] let's aim it na, [17:56] that masasabit yun [17:57] ng June 5, [17:58] Congress goes on recess, [18:01] right? [18:01] So you'll have senators [18:03] who could be traveling. [18:05] Well, I don't know [18:06] the prosecution team [18:07] will most likely [18:08] not be traveling, [18:09] but you will have senators [18:11] who may be out [18:12] of the country. [18:13] What happens [18:14] after representative? [18:17] Well, [18:17] if it is true [18:19] na magkakaroon [18:20] ng pretrial conference [18:22] on June 15, [18:23] then we expect [18:24] to appear [18:25] before the impeachment court [18:27] in spite of the recess, [18:29] no? [18:29] On June 15, [18:31] that is for [18:31] the pretrial conference, [18:33] no? [18:34] And of course, [18:34] it will take [18:35] a number of days [18:37] din siguro [18:38] because we will have [18:39] to mark [18:40] a voluminous [18:41] documents [18:42] supporting our articles [18:44] on unexplained wealth, [18:46] confidential fund, [18:47] and even bribery. [18:49] Yun ang mga threat, [18:50] wala naman siyang [18:50] masyadong documents. [18:52] And then after that, [18:53] after the marking [18:54] of all exhibits, [18:56] submission of all [18:57] the witnesses, [18:58] stipulations [18:58] and admissions, [19:00] no? [19:00] Then magintay kami [19:03] ng pretrial order. [19:04] Pag may pretrial order na, [19:05] we should be able [19:06] to proceed [19:07] to the trial, [19:08] which will entail [19:10] the presentation [19:10] of all this evidence [19:12] and witnesses. [19:12] So technically speaking, [19:14] July 6, [19:16] based on the timeline [19:17] you gave us, [19:18] sounds like a reasonable [19:20] time to actually start [19:21] the actual trial [19:23] because I was told, [19:25] I think by one of the senators [19:26] I interviewed, [19:27] the pretrial [19:28] won't be interesting [19:30] to the public. [19:31] Tama ba yun? [19:32] It will be a lot [19:33] of paperwork, [19:34] it's voluminous, [19:35] ba hindi nga daw televised. [19:38] Do we have the same [19:39] understanding on that? [19:41] That's correct, [19:42] but for those [19:43] who are in the [19:44] legal circle [19:45] and for those people [19:47] who are very much [19:49] observant [19:50] on what is happening [19:52] in politics, [19:53] they will be very much [19:54] interested in the [19:55] pretrial conference [19:56] because that will be [19:58] the first time [19:58] na malalaman [19:59] who will be the witnesses [20:00] and what will be [20:02] the documents [20:03] which will be presented. [20:04] But for the public, [20:05] I agree with you. [20:06] It might not look be, [20:07] it may not be interesting [20:09] to the public. [20:10] Would you say [20:11] doon nilang malalaman [20:12] ang witnesses? [20:13] We are talking [20:14] about the announcement [20:16] or the enumeration [20:18] of the witnesses [20:19] but not to call [20:20] the witnesses. [20:20] Yes, yes. [20:22] It will be listed [20:23] so it will be announced [20:26] so the people [20:26] would know [20:27] who will be the witnesses [20:28] for the prosecution [20:29] and who will be the witnesses [20:32] for the defense. [20:33] Two-way to, Karen. [20:34] Not only the prosecution [20:35] will be listing [20:36] the name of witnesses, [20:38] also the defense [20:39] will be listing [20:39] their witnesses [20:40] and evidence. [20:41] Okay, now the ICC [20:43] works in that way [20:45] in the sense [20:45] that there are [20:46] no surprises [20:47] but I wanted to ask you [20:48] how does this work [20:49] for you, right? [20:52] Because during the time [20:53] of former President [20:54] Joseph Estrada [20:55] calling the manager [20:57] of the bank [20:58] for example [20:59] and it was, [21:01] I think, [21:01] I can't remember [21:02] the bank right now [21:03] but Clarissa Ocampo [21:05] was the one [21:06] who confirmed [21:06] yes, [21:07] Erap Estrada [21:08] is Jose Velarde [21:09] and that was [21:10] a bombshell [21:11] and I think [21:13] at that period [21:14] in time [21:15] it was a surprise [21:16] to many [21:17] that the bank manager [21:18] was called. [21:19] In this sense [21:20] if you're announcing [21:21] all the witnesses [21:22] then the defense [21:23] could actually prepare [21:25] and possibly contact [21:27] also your witness [21:28] or the bank. [21:29] What are your thoughts? [21:32] That is a possibility, [21:33] Karen, [21:34] but from [21:36] my recollection [21:37] You can lose [21:37] a witness, right? [21:38] You can lose [21:39] a witness [21:40] in the sense [21:41] that the witness [21:42] may suddenly say [21:43] I'm getting [21:44] too much pressure [21:44] tinawagan ako [21:45] ng other side [21:46] ayoko na [21:47] ayoko na mag-testify. [21:49] And that is why [21:51] we need to secure [21:52] our witnesses [21:52] as well. [21:54] As a matter of fact [21:55] we are even [21:56] considering even [21:57] hostile witnesses. [21:59] Witnesses [22:00] whom we believe [22:01] are not really [22:01] aligned to our position [22:03] and instead [22:04] aligned to the position [22:05] of the respondent. [22:06] Who are this? [22:07] These are the officials [22:07] of the PED [22:08] and OVP. [22:10] But we have not [22:11] announced their names [22:12] yet and perhaps [22:13] this will happen [22:14] during the pre-trial. [22:15] Of course, [22:16] that is always [22:16] a possibility, [22:18] Karen. [22:18] And that is why [22:19] we are very careful [22:20] in vetting [22:22] our witnesses [22:23] to make sure [22:23] that they are [22:24] really serious [22:25] about having [22:27] this position [22:28] of supporting [22:29] the prosecution [22:30] of the vice president. [22:32] That is always [22:32] a possibility [22:33] even in an ordinary [22:34] cases outside [22:35] this impeachment [22:36] court. [22:38] Because I interviewed [22:39] former Senator [22:40] Antonio Trillanes [22:41] and he had [22:42] the list, right, [22:43] of alleged bank [22:44] accounts [22:44] of Rodrigo Duterte, [22:47] Sara Duterte, [22:48] Sara Duterte, [22:49] Man Scarpio. [22:50] It was a long [22:51] list, [22:51] 50 plus accounts [22:52] and I asked him, [22:54] dapat patawag pa [22:55] yung mga manager [22:56] ng banko [22:57] and he said, [22:58] hindi na kailangan [22:59] kus Amlac [23:00] verified it, [23:01] right, [23:02] with the transactions [23:03] in the House [23:04] Justice Committee. [23:06] Pero if I were [23:06] to ask you, [23:07] would you still call [23:08] or do you see [23:09] the need to call [23:11] the bank managers, [23:13] bank officials [23:13] to actually [23:14] really declare, [23:15] yes, [23:16] that is [23:17] Rodrigo Duterte [23:18] and Sara Duterte's [23:19] account. [23:20] We're actually [23:21] inclined to subpoena [23:22] the bank officials [23:23] and the bank documents. [23:25] Tama naman si [23:26] Senator Trillanes [23:27] that the report [23:28] of the Amlac [23:30] has been presented [23:31] already before [23:31] the House of Representatives [23:33] but let us take note [23:34] that those are [23:35] reports of covered [23:36] and suspicious transactions. [23:38] They are not yet [23:39] the bank documents [23:41] or bank data [23:43] per se. [23:44] And that is why [23:45] we are inclined [23:46] really to move [23:47] for issuance [23:48] of subpoena [23:49] of the bank officials [23:50] and employees. [23:51] And to your question, [23:53] Karen, [23:54] about the possibility [23:55] of these witnesses [23:56] changing their position [23:57] because of pressure [23:58] surrounding them, [24:00] that will be possible [24:02] for a testimonial evidence [24:03] but let us remember [24:05] that apart from [24:05] the testimony [24:06] of these bank officials [24:07] and employees, [24:08] we have bank documents [24:09] and documents [24:11] do not lie. [24:12] When we subpoena [24:13] the banks, [24:14] it will not be confined [24:15] to officials [24:16] and employees only. [24:17] documents from the bank [24:19] will be subpoenaed as well. [24:20] And ang powerful [24:23] kasi to see [24:23] bank statements. [24:25] I mean, [24:25] ito basic [24:26] for every Filipino [24:27] when we apply [24:28] for a visa, [24:30] di ba? [24:30] A US visa [24:31] or a Schengen visa, [24:33] they start to ask [24:34] for bank documents [24:35] and the bank documents [24:37] actually reveal [24:38] just how much money [24:40] you have in that account [24:41] at one period [24:43] in time, [24:44] right? [24:44] I mean, [24:45] embassies ask [24:46] for one year [24:47] or six months. [24:48] So lalabas yun. [24:51] Yeah, [24:51] that is correct. [24:52] But what we intend [24:53] to subpoena [24:54] is not just [24:55] a statement [24:56] but the history [24:59] of the transaction [25:00] themselves. [25:01] So it is supposed [25:02] to disclose [25:03] the entire data [25:05] about a certain account [25:07] involved in this [25:09] impeachment trial. [25:09] And we believe [25:11] of course [25:12] that this is [25:12] the perfect time [25:13] because this is [25:14] the impeachment trial [25:15] already [25:16] and like during [25:16] the time [25:17] of the Justice Committee [25:19] of the House [25:20] of Representatives [25:20] where are debates, [25:22] there are debates [25:22] as to whether [25:23] or not [25:24] the Justice Committee [25:26] is actually [25:26] authorized to do that. [25:28] There are opinions [25:30] which says [25:31] that it is not yet [25:32] an impeachment trial [25:34] which does not [25:35] fall squarely [25:36] on the exception. [25:37] This time around [25:38] there are no more doubts [25:40] because this is [25:40] the trial already [25:41] and apparently [25:43] it falls under [25:44] the exception [25:44] to the bank secrecy law. [25:46] Okay, [25:47] now the income tax. [25:48] This is, [25:49] right, [25:50] this was not opened [25:51] during the House [25:53] Justice Committee [25:54] hearing. [25:55] The income tax [25:56] of the Vice President [25:57] and the husband, [25:59] Sigmund Scarpio, [26:00] is this going to be [26:01] a part of the evidence [26:02] that you want opened [26:04] or can it even be opened [26:06] in an impeachment [26:08] trial? [26:09] Actually, Karen, [26:10] we haven't reached [26:11] finality on deciding [26:13] as to whether [26:14] we will be moving [26:15] for the opening [26:16] of the BIR box. [26:18] Remember that [26:19] we were not able [26:20] to see [26:21] what is actually [26:22] inside this BIR box [26:24] and of course [26:24] it is quite apprehensive [26:25] also, [26:26] offering something [26:27] which you do not know [26:28] yet what is inside. [26:30] So, [26:31] it's a bit of a [26:31] prosecutor's [26:32] as to what direction [26:34] are we going [26:35] to take [26:36] with regards [26:37] to this [26:38] BIR box. [26:39] But I wish [26:39] to believe, [26:40] I wish to believe [26:41] that this represents [26:43] the personal income [26:44] of the spouses [26:45] and with respect [26:47] to the business income, [26:50] the same [26:51] were yielded already [26:53] during the presentation [26:54] of the evidence [26:56] from the Securities [26:57] and Exchange Commission. [26:58] So, [27:00] this is one thing [27:01] na kailangan pa namin [27:02] pag-usapan [27:02] at pag-desisyonan. [27:04] Okay. [27:05] Now, [27:05] the impeachment trial [27:07] of the late Renato Corona [27:08] essentially was on [27:11] questionable [27:13] accumulated wealth. [27:16] Diba? [27:16] Yun yung heart [27:17] of it. [27:18] So, [27:19] it just took a few months. [27:20] Pero eto, [27:21] apat eto. [27:23] Now, [27:23] all equally, [27:25] some say, [27:26] are as strong [27:28] as the other. [27:29] So, [27:30] one, [27:30] are you still going [27:31] to lead [27:32] with the threats? [27:34] That was the time. [27:35] That was what was [27:36] said. [27:38] When I interviewed, [27:39] I believe it was [27:39] Joel Chua, [27:40] or I'm not sure [27:41] if it was you then [27:42] who said, [27:43] opening was the threats [27:44] against the president. [27:46] Is that still [27:46] the opening? [27:48] I think that is [27:49] one thing [27:49] that we haven't [27:50] disclosed [27:50] to the public, [27:51] the sequence [27:52] of presentation [27:53] of the articles [27:55] of impeachment. [27:56] But what is [27:57] definite, Karen, [27:58] it will not [27:59] be presented [28:00] in the same order [28:01] that they were [28:02] presented in the [28:03] articles of impeachment. [28:05] Of course, [28:06] we have to consider [28:07] that what the people [28:10] are really looking [28:10] forward to see [28:11] are the unexplained [28:14] wealth. [28:15] However, [28:16] we need to be [28:17] sensitive as well [28:18] as to what will [28:19] be interesting [28:19] to the public. [28:21] And I think [28:21] they're looking forward [28:22] to this unexplained wealth. [28:24] Of course, [28:24] we are conscious [28:25] about what happened [28:27] during the April 22 [28:28] clarificatory hearing [28:29] before the Justice [28:30] Committee. [28:31] Because even in the [28:32] House, [28:33] prior to April 22 [28:34] hearing, [28:35] nung wala pang [28:36] AMLAC, [28:37] no? [28:37] Medyo, [28:39] medyo, [28:40] hindi pa masyadong [28:41] convinced [28:42] itong mga [28:43] house members. [28:43] Pero nung lumabas [28:44] na yung AMLAC, [28:45] they became [28:46] supportive [28:46] of the impeachment [28:48] process. [28:48] and I believe [28:50] that ganun din [28:51] ang nangyari [28:52] about the general [28:53] public. [28:54] That after the [28:54] April 22 [28:55] hearing, [28:56] they became [28:56] convinced that [28:58] indeed the impeachment [28:59] process must [29:00] continue. [29:01] Oo, [29:01] pero tama kayo, [29:02] so wala pa kayong [29:03] sequence. [29:04] But you're right [29:05] that because looking [29:06] at the Estrada [29:07] impeachment trial [29:08] and the Corona [29:09] impeachment trial, [29:11] it was really [29:12] unexplained wealth. [29:14] And when the bank [29:15] managers came in [29:16] to actually confirm [29:17] that they had [29:18] this amount [29:19] in their personal [29:21] account, [29:22] that went [29:23] very strong [29:24] with the public. [29:25] Especially if [29:27] the impeachable [29:29] official was [29:30] unable to [29:31] explain the [29:32] source. [29:33] Right? [29:33] So, [29:34] possibly, [29:34] there is a [29:35] possibility. [29:35] Mauna yun. [29:36] Possibly. [29:37] Possibly. [29:38] Possibility only. [29:40] Possibility. [29:41] We haven't [29:42] decided yet, [29:44] Karen, [29:44] as to which [29:45] to present [29:45] first. [29:46] But as to [29:47] possibility, [29:48] of course, [29:48] there's always [29:49] a possibility. [29:49] So, [29:50] who will be [29:50] the team leader [29:51] on that? [29:52] Because I know [29:52] that Representative [29:53] Joel Tua is [29:55] now your team [29:55] leader for [29:57] the misuse [29:57] of confidential [29:58] funds. [29:59] And then you [30:00] have Representative [30:01] Keith Flores [30:02] as the team [30:03] leader for [30:04] the DepEd [30:05] funds. [30:06] Is that [30:06] correct? [30:07] Yeah, [30:07] that's for [30:07] bribery. [30:08] Bribery. [30:09] Bribery naman. [30:10] Who is your [30:11] team leader [30:11] for the [30:12] unexplained [30:12] wealth? [30:13] Well, [30:13] right now, [30:14] it's Terry [30:14] Ridon, [30:15] who is [30:15] leading [30:16] the [30:16] unexplained [30:17] wealth. [30:18] And for [30:19] threat, [30:19] it's [30:20] SDML [30:21] Noy [30:21] Defensor. [30:22] But of [30:23] course, [30:24] until we [30:24] have reached [30:25] the [30:25] presentation [30:26] of [30:26] evidence, [30:28] it is [30:28] possible [30:29] also that [30:29] there might [30:30] be changes [30:31] still as [30:31] to the [30:32] assignment [30:32] of the [30:33] prosecutors. [30:34] So when [30:34] you say [30:35] team leader, [30:36] does this [30:36] mean that [30:37] this is [30:37] the [30:37] prosecutor [30:38] that [30:39] will [30:39] speak [30:39] on the [30:40] floor? [30:41] Ganun yun [30:41] yun eh. [30:42] Kasi [30:42] yung team leader [30:43] magsasalita [30:44] sa floor, [30:45] he's gonna [30:46] make an [30:46] argument, [30:47] he or she [30:47] will make [30:48] an [30:48] argument [30:48] on why [30:50] the [30:50] vice [30:50] president, [30:51] would that [30:52] mean that [30:52] it's [30:52] Terry Ridon? [30:53] Are you [30:54] at all [30:55] speaking [30:55] with any [30:56] of the [30:56] articles [30:57] yourself? [30:59] Well, [30:59] with respect [30:59] to [31:00] procedural, [31:02] we anticipate [31:02] that it [31:03] will be [31:03] the [31:03] lead [31:04] prosecutor [31:04] who [31:05] will [31:05] be [31:05] standing [31:05] before [31:06] the [31:06] impeachment [31:06] court. [31:07] We are [31:08] not [31:08] certain [31:08] yet [31:09] if [31:09] there [31:10] will [31:10] be [31:10] need [31:11] for [31:11] the [31:11] team [31:11] leaders [31:12] to [31:12] engage [31:13] in [31:13] an [31:13] oral [31:13] argument. [31:14] But [31:15] right [31:15] now, [31:16] we [31:16] appreciate [31:17] them [31:18] as [31:18] the [31:18] one [31:18] who [31:19] should [31:19] take [31:19] care [31:19] in [31:19] the [31:20] entire [31:20] presentation [31:21] of [31:22] evidence. [31:22] Every [31:24] prosecutor [31:25] are [31:25] given [31:26] their [31:26] respective [31:26] assignment [31:27] of [31:27] witnesses [31:27] to [31:28] be [31:28] presented. [31:29] But [31:30] in [31:30] general, [31:31] it [31:31] will [31:31] be [31:31] the [31:31] team [31:31] leader [31:32] who [31:32] really [31:33] has [31:33] a [31:33] call [31:33] with [31:34] respect [31:34] to [31:34] the [31:34] presentation [31:35] of [31:35] evidence [31:36] of [31:36] the [31:36] article [31:37] assigned [31:37] to [31:37] them. [31:38] Okay. [31:39] But [31:39] of [31:39] course, [31:40] I don't [31:41] know how [31:41] you're [31:41] talking [31:42] about [31:42] this [31:42] among [31:42] yourselves, [31:43] the [31:43] 11. [31:44] In [31:44] terms [31:44] of [31:44] questioning [31:45] witnesses [31:46] being [31:46] on [31:46] the [31:46] floor, [31:47] even [31:48] cross [31:48] examination [31:49] that [31:49] would [31:49] be [31:49] from [31:50] the [31:52] trial [31:54] proper, [31:54] expertise [31:55] on [31:57] the [31:57] floor [31:57] itself. [31:59] I'm [31:59] sure [32:00] you're [32:00] all [32:00] talking [32:01] amongst [32:02] yourselves [32:02] who's [32:03] actually [32:03] skilled [32:04] at it [32:04] because [32:05] it is [32:05] televised. [32:07] Right? [32:08] The [32:08] worst [32:08] is you [32:08] want, [32:09] even [32:09] if [32:09] the [32:09] prosecutor [32:10] is [32:10] well-meaning, [32:11] is he [32:12] or she [32:12] is bad [32:13] on [32:14] the [32:14] floor. [32:15] Not [32:15] eloquent, [32:16] not [32:16] tough. [32:17] I mean, [32:18] hindi [32:18] na ba [32:18] nakakahulugang [32:19] hindi [32:19] matalino eh. [32:21] Hindi [32:21] connected [32:21] yun [32:22] at [32:22] all. [32:22] Pero [32:23] dapat [32:23] yung [32:24] magaling [32:24] on [32:25] the [32:25] floor. [32:27] Well, [32:27] all of [32:27] us [32:27] are [32:28] intending [32:28] to [32:29] actively [32:29] participate [32:30] in [32:30] the [32:31] presentation [32:31] of [32:31] evidence, [32:32] but [32:32] as to [32:33] whether [32:33] we [32:33] will [32:34] be [32:34] doing [32:34] the [32:34] direct [32:35] examination, [32:36] the [32:36] raising [32:36] of [32:37] questions [32:37] to [32:37] the [32:37] witnesses [32:38] and [32:38] countering [32:39] the [32:39] objections [32:39] from [32:40] the [32:40] defense. [32:41] Ang [32:42] tatanungin [32:42] namin [32:43] ultimately [32:43] is the [32:45] public [32:46] prosecutor [32:47] involved. [32:47] If [32:47] he [32:48] will [32:48] be [32:48] comfortable [32:49] presenting [32:50] the [32:51] witness [32:51] countering [32:52] the [32:52] possible [32:53] objection [32:53] right now, [32:54] Karen, [32:55] we have [32:55] respective [32:56] assignment [32:56] of [32:57] witnesses [32:57] to be [32:58] presented. [32:59] But ultimately, [33:00] after all the [33:01] preparations, [33:02] we will ask the [33:03] 11 prosecutors [33:04] to decide [33:05] if they [33:06] push [33:07] through [33:07] with [33:07] the [33:07] presentation [33:08] of [33:08] the [33:09] witness. [33:10] Because we [33:10] understand [33:11] that [33:11] it's [33:12] live. [33:12] And this [33:14] will be [33:15] live. [33:16] It will be [33:16] watched by [33:17] the whole [33:17] world. [33:18] And she [33:19] or he [33:20] really needs [33:21] to be [33:21] competent [33:22] in doing [33:23] so [33:23] to make [33:24] sure [33:24] that [33:24] this will [33:27] be a [33:27] meaningful [33:27] experience [33:28] for her [33:28] or for [33:29] him. [33:29] And it's [33:31] a shiny [33:31] moment. [33:32] It's [33:32] honestly a [33:34] make or [33:34] break [33:35] moment for [33:36] prosecutors. [33:37] That's the [33:37] thing. [33:38] Either the [33:38] public ends [33:39] up [33:39] admiring the [33:40] prosecutor, [33:41] right? [33:42] Or the [33:42] public would [33:43] be... [33:44] Exactly. [33:45] So I [33:46] can feel [33:47] it's a lot [33:48] of work [33:49] on your end. [33:50] It's a lot [33:50] of pressure. [33:51] Right? [33:52] That's correct. [33:52] That's correct. [33:53] There are [33:54] articles coming [33:54] out right [33:55] now and I [33:55] told you [33:56] about it. [33:56] I mean, [33:57] Rappler wrote [33:58] one of you [33:58] and it [33:59] says, [33:59] Rising [33:59] Star. [34:01] Right? [34:01] That's the [34:01] title. [34:02] It's a new [34:02] one. [34:03] It's not [34:03] an old [34:03] one. [34:04] And I [34:04] bring this [34:05] up because [34:06] on a [34:07] lighter note [34:08] is how [34:08] do you [34:09] feel? [34:09] It could [34:10] be a [34:10] make or [34:10] break for [34:11] you. [34:11] This is [34:11] a major [34:13] moment for [34:14] you personally. [34:16] I do [34:17] not want [34:17] to think [34:18] so much [34:19] about that [34:20] make or [34:20] break [34:21] thing on [34:22] this [34:22] impeachment [34:24] well. [34:24] It could [34:26] bring me [34:29] into a [34:31] better [34:31] position [34:32] if this [34:33] impeachment [34:35] will be [34:35] successful [34:36] in the [34:37] same way [34:37] that my [34:39] political [34:39] interest [34:40] might be [34:40] compromised [34:41] if this [34:42] doesn't [34:43] go right. [34:44] So you're [34:45] taking a [34:45] risk. [34:46] You are [34:46] taking a [34:47] risk is [34:47] what you're [34:47] saying. [34:48] As a [34:48] politician [34:49] in your [34:49] district. [34:50] Okay. [34:51] Definitely. [34:52] But beyond [34:54] that, [34:55] beyond [34:55] politics, [34:56] beyond the [34:58] impeachment [34:58] process, [35:00] beyond the [35:01] result of [35:02] this [35:02] impeachment [35:04] trial, [35:05] I appreciate [35:06] this more [35:07] as a [35:09] sacred duty [35:10] to the [35:10] sovereign [35:11] Filipino [35:11] people. [35:13] I want [35:13] to be [35:13] remembered [35:14] as a [35:14] congresswoman [35:15] from [35:16] Batangas [35:16] who stood [35:17] firm in [35:19] standing for [35:20] the people [35:21] of the [35:21] Philippines [35:21] because after [35:22] all, [35:23] they are the [35:24] people whom [35:24] we are [35:25] representing [35:25] here. [35:26] This does [35:27] not involve [35:27] our [35:28] personal [35:28] interest [35:29] as this [35:30] does not [35:31] involve [35:31] our [35:32] political [35:32] interest. [35:34] It involves [35:34] the interest [35:36] of every [35:37] Filipino [35:37] across the [35:38] world. [35:39] of [35:40] course, [35:41] 10 years [35:42] from [35:43] today [35:43] or [35:43] perhaps [35:44] certain [35:45] period [35:45] of [35:45] time, [35:46] we will [35:47] talk about [35:48] this impeachment. [35:49] But regardless [35:50] of what [35:51] will be the [35:51] result, [35:52] what is [35:52] important, [35:54] these 11 [35:54] prosecutors [35:55] responded to [35:57] their [35:57] constitutional [35:58] duty. [35:59] We are not [35:59] standing firm [36:06] to represent [36:07] the best [36:08] interest of [36:08] the [36:09] Filipino [36:09] people. [36:10] On that [36:11] note, [36:11] I want to [36:12] thank you [36:12] for joining [36:13] me today, [36:14] Lead House [36:14] Prosecutor [36:15] Jerville [36:16] Luistro. [36:17] Thank you, [36:17] ma'am. [36:17] Thank you, [36:18] Karen, [36:19] and good [36:19] morning [36:19] to all [36:20] viewers. [36:21] We're [36:22] going to [36:22] take a [36:22] quick break, [36:23] head start. [36:23] We'll be [36:23] right back [36:24] with former [36:25] Senator [36:25] Richard [36:26] Gordon. [36:34] Get ready [36:34] for a [36:35] Wild [36:35] West [36:35] adventure. 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[37:38] The challenge [37:46] right now [37:46] is to [37:47] ensure that [37:48] job creation [37:49] is sustained, [37:50] not just [37:50] simply job [37:51] creation in [37:52] terms of [37:52] number, [37:52] but also [37:53] in terms [37:53] of quality, [37:55] in terms [37:55] of decent [37:56] work, [37:56] in terms [37:57] of occupational [37:57] safety and [37:58] health, [37:59] in terms [37:59] of collective [38:00] bargaining [38:00] agreements, [38:01] in terms [38:01] of better [38:02] working [38:02] conditions, [38:03] and inclusive [38:04] workplace [38:05] environments. [38:06] I think [38:08] the best [38:09] way that [38:09] the government [38:10] can support [38:10] our young [38:11] workforce is [38:12] to find [38:12] ways and [38:13] opportunities [38:14] to incentivize [38:15] companies, [38:16] to invest [38:17] in the [38:17] Philippines, [38:18] not just [38:19] foreign [38:19] companies, [38:20] but also [38:20] our domestic [38:21] companies, [38:22] local companies [38:23] and industries, [38:23] especially [38:24] enterprise [38:25] startups that [38:26] are actually [38:26] put up by [38:27] young [38:28] entrepreneurs [38:29] and [38:29] conscientious [38:30] and socially [38:31] responsible [38:32] employers. [38:32] That's how [38:32] we start [38:33] creating jobs. [38:50] Welcome back [38:51] to Head Start. [38:51] Senate [38:52] President [38:52] Alan Peter [38:53] Cayetano [38:54] defends [38:54] the creation [38:55] of a [38:56] blue-ribbon [38:57] subcommittee [38:58] that will [38:59] focus on [39:00] the flood [39:00] control [39:00] scandal. [39:02] This [39:02] after [39:02] Senate [39:02] Minority [39:03] Leader [39:03] Vicente [39:04] Soto III [39:05] said [39:06] subcommittees [39:06] have to [39:07] be created [39:07] by the [39:09] Senate [39:09] in [39:10] plenary. [39:14] Hindi po [39:14] bawala [39:14] na [39:15] nasa [39:16] rules po [39:16] yan. [39:16] But [39:16] sabi mo [39:17] then [39:18] all [39:19] the [39:20] majority [39:21] has to [39:21] do [39:21] is for [39:22] the [39:22] chairperson [39:22] Senator [39:23] Pia [39:23] Cayetano [39:24] to come [39:24] out [39:25] herself [39:25] with the [39:26] notice [39:27] on [39:27] Monday. [39:28] So [39:28] ang point [39:29] ko [39:29] sa lahat [39:29] ng [39:29] pwedeng [39:30] reaction [39:30] bakit [39:31] parang [39:31] ayaw [39:32] talaga [39:32] na [39:33] ituloy [39:33] ito. [39:33] We're [39:34] not [39:34] here [39:34] para [39:35] dagdagan [39:36] pa [39:36] ang [39:36] problema [39:37] ng [39:37] Pilipino. [39:37] We're [39:38] here [39:38] para [39:39] yung [39:39] hindi [39:39] maayos [39:40] ayusin. [39:41] The [39:44] subcommittee [39:44] will be [39:45] headed [39:45] by [39:45] Blue Ribbon [39:46] Vice [39:47] Chairman [39:47] Rodante [39:48] Marcoleta [39:49] who is [39:50] facing [39:50] plunder [39:50] and [39:51] bribery [39:52] complaints. [39:53] His [39:53] wife [39:53] also [39:54] has [39:54] alleged [39:54] links [39:55] to [39:55] contractors [39:56] Sarah [39:57] and [39:57] Curly [39:57] Descaya. [39:58] The [39:59] subcommittee [39:59] plans [39:59] to resume [40:00] the [40:00] flood [40:00] control [40:01] probe [40:01] on [40:02] June [40:02] 4. [40:05] We're [40:06] now [40:06] joined [40:06] by [40:06] former [40:07] Senate [40:07] Blue Ribbon [40:08] Committee [40:08] Chairman [40:09] Richard [40:10] Gordon. [40:10] Good [40:11] morning [40:11] to [40:11] you [40:11] sir. [40:12] Thank [40:12] you [40:13] Karen [40:13] for [40:13] inviting [40:13] me. [40:14] I'm [40:14] saying [40:14] that [40:15] because [40:15] some [40:16] of [40:16] the [40:16] trolls [40:16] are [40:16] saying [40:17] I'm [40:17] presenting [40:17] myself [40:18] to [40:18] media. [40:18] I'm [40:19] not. [40:19] I keep [40:19] getting [40:20] invited. [40:21] Oh [40:22] wow. [40:22] So [40:22] you have [40:23] that [40:23] particular [40:24] trolling [40:24] accusation. [40:25] Yes. [40:26] You [40:26] are [40:26] invited [40:27] always. [40:28] Now [40:28] I [40:28] want [40:28] to [40:28] ask [40:29] you [40:29] is [40:30] it [40:30] common [40:31] is [40:31] it [40:31] allowed [40:32] for [40:33] a [40:33] subcommittee [40:34] to be [40:35] formed [40:35] unilaterally [40:36] so to [40:37] speak. [40:37] What [40:37] is [40:38] the [40:38] process? [40:39] Normally [40:39] the [40:40] chairman [40:40] has [40:41] the [40:41] option [40:43] to [40:44] appoint [40:44] a [40:44] subcommittee [40:45] but [40:45] he [40:45] would [40:45] have [40:45] to [40:46] tell [40:46] the [40:47] Senate [40:47] as [40:47] whole [40:48] the [40:48] plenary [40:48] or [40:49] the [40:49] Senate [40:50] president [40:50] but [40:51] that [40:51] is [40:52] allowed [40:52] but [40:53] the [40:55] more [40:55] important [40:55] problem [40:56] here [40:56] is [40:56] the [40:59] composition [40:59] now [41:00] of [41:00] the [41:00] Blue [41:00] Ribble [41:00] Committee [41:01] which [41:02] so far [41:02] has [41:02] had [41:02] no [41:03] minority [41:03] representation [41:04] so [41:05] they [41:06] don't [41:06] have [41:06] any [41:06] minority [41:07] representation [41:07] that [41:08] is [41:08] a [41:09] farce [41:09] so [41:10] the [41:11] minority [41:11] has [41:12] to [41:12] be [41:12] included [41:12] in [41:13] the [41:13] Blue [41:13] Ribble [41:13] Committee [41:13] and if I [41:15] remember [41:15] correctly [41:15] you [41:15] usually [41:16] have [41:16] about [41:16] 17 [41:17] or [41:17] 18 [41:17] members [41:18] in [41:19] the [41:19] Blue [41:19] Ribble [41:20] Committee [41:20] so [41:21] that's [41:21] practically [41:22] the [41:22] whole [41:22] Senate [41:22] especially [41:23] now [41:23] Okay [41:26] so [41:26] sa [41:26] ngayon [41:27] eh [41:27] posibleng [41:27] naman [41:28] sir [41:28] na hindi [41:28] pa [41:28] convened [41:29] as [41:30] a [41:30] whole [41:30] so [41:31] posibleng [41:31] pumasok pa [41:32] ang [41:32] minority [41:33] or [41:33] can [41:34] the [41:34] minority [41:34] protest [41:35] the [41:36] leadership [41:37] or the [41:38] formation [41:38] of the [41:39] subcommittee [41:39] and refuse [41:40] to join [41:41] can the [41:42] minority [41:42] do that [41:43] of course [41:44] I mean [41:45] the [41:45] minority's [41:46] voice [41:46] must be [41:47] heard [41:47] that's [41:48] why you [41:48] have a [41:48] minority [41:49] and you [41:50] cannot [41:50] allow the [41:50] tyranny of the [41:51] majority [41:51] to prevail [41:52] and in [41:53] this [41:53] particular [41:54] instance [41:54] there is [41:55] room [41:55] and very [41:56] very [41:56] important [41:57] reason [41:57] to speak [41:58] out [41:58] because [41:59] now [42:00] you're [42:01] not only [42:02] straining [42:02] the [42:03] reputation [42:04] and credibility [42:05] of the [42:05] Senate [42:06] but also [42:08] the Senate [42:08] Blue [42:09] Ribble [42:09] Committee [42:09] which is [42:09] the [42:10] premier [42:10] committee [42:11] in the [42:12] Senate [42:12] that is [42:14] assigned [42:14] to [42:14] look at [42:16] the [42:16] liability [42:16] of [42:17] public [42:17] officers [42:17] criminal [42:18] liability [42:18] of public [42:19] officers [42:19] and so [42:21] when you [42:22] make this [42:22] presentation [42:23] now [42:23] that's a [42:29] fair [42:30] comment [42:30] because [42:30] that is [42:31] in fact [42:32] been exposed [42:33] to the [42:34] public [42:34] the [42:35] Barcoleta [42:36] himself [42:37] has [42:37] practically [42:38] hanged [42:39] himself [42:39] by making [42:40] statements [42:41] that [42:42] harm [42:43] him [42:44] and [42:46] admitting [42:46] that he [42:47] took [42:47] money [42:47] even [42:48] if [42:48] he [42:48] did [42:48] that [42:48] it [42:49] was [42:49] during [42:49] the [42:49] elections [42:50] that [42:51] by [42:51] itself [42:51] is [42:51] admission [42:52] and [42:52] that [42:52] goes [42:52] into [42:53] plunder [42:56] and at [42:56] the [42:56] same [42:56] time [42:57] indirect [42:58] bribery [42:59] which [42:59] is [43:00] punishable [43:01] now [43:01] the [43:02] Senate [43:02] Blue [43:02] Ribble [43:02] Committee [43:03] is [43:03] supposed [43:03] to [43:03] look [43:03] at [43:04] the [43:04] malfeasance [43:05] misfeasance [43:06] and [43:07] malfeasance [43:07] and [43:08] other [43:08] important [43:10] elements [43:11] that [43:11] involve [43:13] officers [43:13] and [43:14] employees [43:14] of [43:14] government [43:14] implementation [43:15] of the [43:15] constitutional [43:16] provisions [43:16] on [43:17] nepotism [43:18] and [43:18] investigation [43:18] of any [43:19] matter of [43:19] public [43:19] interest [43:20] on its [43:21] own [43:21] initiative [43:22] or brought [43:22] to his [43:22] attention [43:23] by any [43:23] senator [43:24] so again [43:25] a big [43:25] big question [43:26] mark right [43:26] away [43:26] especially [43:28] with this [43:29] record [43:29] of [43:30] blue [43:31] committee [43:32] he appeared [43:41] there at [43:41] and he [43:42] appeared to [43:42] be coaching [43:43] him [43:43] he appeared [43:43] to know [43:44] everything [43:44] that was [43:44] in the [43:45] affidavit [43:46] which is [43:46] where [43:47] but [43:47] he knew [43:49] right away [43:49] that he [43:50] was already [43:50] reading the [43:51] wrong thing [43:51] which means [43:51] that [43:52] affidavit [43:53] is probably [43:54] by [43:54] manufacturing [43:55] in somebody's [43:55] law office [43:56] probably [43:56] close to [43:57] Marcoleta [43:58] and so [43:59] what happens [43:59] now is [44:00] Luteza [44:01] has disappeared [44:02] and it's [44:03] even [44:03] fractured [44:05] by the [44:05] fact that [44:05] he went [44:07] into a [44:07] not [44:07] it was [44:08] not [44:08] raised by [44:09] allegedly [44:10] by somebody [44:11] in Manila [44:11] who later [44:12] on came [44:12] out and [44:13] said [44:13] no [44:13] I did [44:13] not [44:13] not [44:14] raise [44:14] that [44:14] so [44:15] are you [44:16] saying [44:16] no [44:17] senator [44:17] gordon [44:17] are you [44:18] saying [44:19] that [44:19] there's a [44:20] conflict [44:21] of interest [44:21] or [44:22] Marcoleta [44:23] is [44:23] compromised [44:24] to be [44:25] the head [44:25] of the [44:26] subcommittee [44:26] of the [44:27] senate [44:27] blue ribbon [44:28] because of [44:29] the very [44:29] issues [44:30] that he's [44:30] facing [44:31] yes I [44:32] think he's [44:32] severely [44:33] compromised [44:33] because [44:34] any witness [44:36] can now [44:37] say [44:37] I remember [44:38] one time [44:39] I was [44:39] having a [44:40] hearing [44:40] and the [44:41] witness [44:41] told one [44:42] of the [44:42] senators [44:43] so [44:44] that [44:49] way [44:49] that [44:50] right [44:50] away [44:51] puts [44:51] a [44:52] big [44:52] block [44:52] on [44:53] the [44:53] credibility [44:53] of the [44:54] investigators [44:55] of the [44:55] senate [44:56] blue [44:56] label [44:56] committee [44:57] so [44:57] we [44:57] really [44:57] have [44:58] to [44:58] be [44:58] careful [44:58] that's [45:01] why [45:01] it's [45:01] important [45:01] that [45:02] the [45:02] senate [45:02] president [45:03] tarry a [45:03] little [45:04] because [45:04] he's [45:05] running [45:05] at [45:05] 10,000 [45:06] miles [45:06] per [45:06] hour [45:07] running [45:08] roughshod [45:08] and [45:09] now [45:11] in terms [45:14] of senate [45:14] intramurals [45:15] it's quite [45:17] close [45:17] so you [45:18] have the [45:18] majority [45:19] at [45:19] 13 [45:20] minus [45:20] bato [45:21] who's [45:21] now [45:21] in [45:22] absentia [45:22] they're [45:23] 12 [45:23] and [45:24] then [45:24] you [45:24] have [45:24] 11 [45:25] minority [45:26] so [45:27] at [45:27] this [45:27] point [45:28] the [45:28] majority [45:28] one [45:29] would [45:29] say [45:29] is [45:30] not [45:31] so [45:31] secure [45:31] because [45:32] they're [45:32] not [45:32] an [45:32] overwhelming [45:33] majority [45:34] but [45:34] ito [45:35] can [45:36] the [45:36] minority [45:36] already [45:37] at [45:37] this [45:38] point [45:38] just [45:38] analysis [45:39] can [45:40] they [45:40] already [45:40] be [45:41] obstructionist [45:42] to [45:43] anything [45:43] that [45:44] the [45:44] majority [45:44] may [45:45] want [45:45] to [45:45] push [45:45] because [45:46] they're [45:46] quite [45:47] solid [45:47] 11 [45:48] so [45:49] we [45:49] saw [45:49] it [45:49] in [45:49] the [45:50] walk [45:50] out [45:50] that's [45:50] one [45:51] right [45:51] the [45:52] walk [45:52] out [45:52] but [45:53] in [45:53] other [45:54] things [45:54] for [45:55] example [45:55] you [45:55] said [45:56] you [45:56] can't [45:57] have [45:57] a [45:57] blue [45:57] ribbon [45:57] committee [45:58] if [46:01] they [46:01] all [46:01] refuse [46:02] to [46:02] be [46:02] a [46:02] part [46:02] of [46:03] the [46:03] blue [46:03] ribbon [46:03] committee [46:04] because [46:04] of [46:04] the [46:04] insistence [46:05] of [46:06] forming [46:06] a [46:06] sub [46:07] committee [46:07] pwede [46:08] ba [46:08] nila [46:08] gawin [46:08] yun [46:09] sir [46:09] oh [46:10] definitely [46:10] if [46:12] they're [46:12] not [46:12] recognized [46:14] they [46:14] can [46:14] go [46:15] on [46:15] the [46:15] very [46:15] famous [46:15] word [46:16] filibuster [46:16] they [46:18] can [46:18] go [46:18] on [46:18] filibuster [46:19] and [46:19] nobody [46:20] can [46:20] stop [46:20] you [46:21] for [46:22] so [46:22] long [46:22] as [46:22] you [46:22] stand [46:23] on [46:23] the [46:23] podium [46:23] or [46:24] the [46:24] platform [46:25] and [46:26] just [46:26] speak [46:26] and speak [46:27] and ask [46:28] questions [46:28] they [46:29] cannot [46:29] stop [46:29] the [46:29] minority [46:30] they [46:30] cannot [46:30] muzzle [46:31] the [46:31] minority [46:31] so [46:33] is [46:33] senate [46:34] president [46:34] alan [46:35] peters [46:35] cayetano [46:36] his [46:36] leadership [46:37] is [46:38] it [46:38] problematic [46:39] at [46:39] this [46:39] point [46:40] how [46:40] would [46:40] you [46:40] describe [46:41] it [46:41] i [46:42] think [46:42] that [46:42] he [46:43] has [46:43] a [46:43] very [46:43] severe [46:44] problem [46:44] in [46:45] terms [46:45] of [46:45] credibility [46:46] how [46:48] he [46:48] got [46:48] in [46:49] at [46:49] first [46:50] he [46:50] said [46:50] this [46:50] was [46:50] really [46:51] an [46:51] effort [46:52] to [46:52] try [46:52] and [46:52] correct [46:53] the [46:53] senate [46:53] situation [46:54] and [46:54] then [46:54] but [46:55] came [46:55] out [46:55] to [46:55] this [46:55] statement [46:56] coming [47:02] in [47:02] the [47:03] heels [47:03] of [47:03] the [47:04] pending [47:04] investigation [47:05] sa [47:06] impeachment [47:06] and [47:08] all of [47:08] them [47:09] are [47:09] identified [47:09] with [47:10] the [47:10] past [47:10] administration [47:11] cayetano [47:12] being a [47:12] former [47:12] vice [47:13] president [47:13] and [47:14] later [47:15] on [47:15] was [47:15] designated [47:16] by [47:17] president [47:18] Duterte [47:18] as [47:18] speaker [47:19] in [47:19] a [47:19] sharing [47:20] agreement [47:21] and [47:22] you [47:22] should [47:23] look [47:23] into [47:23] that [47:23] Karen [47:23] because [47:24] that [47:24] sharing [47:25] agreement [47:25] created [47:26] another [47:26] ruckus [47:27] in [47:27] the [47:27] speaker [47:28] in [47:28] the [47:28] speaker [47:28] ship [47:29] in [47:29] the [47:29] house [47:29] in [47:29] the [47:30] lower [47:30] house [47:30] they [47:31] said [47:31] oh [47:32] now [47:34] may [47:35] violence [47:36] that [47:36] he [47:36] told [47:36] and [47:39] then [47:39] you [47:40] know [47:40] he keeps [47:42] repeating [47:42] the same [47:43] thing [47:43] that [47:43] he's [47:43] saying [47:44] now [47:44] so [47:46] what [47:46] you're [47:47] saying [47:47] is [47:47] there's [47:47] a [47:47] pattern [47:48] this [47:48] has [47:49] already [47:49] been [47:50] done [47:50] yes [47:51] yes [47:51] yes [47:51] in [47:52] a [47:52] sense [47:52] with [47:52] with [47:53] Cayetano [47:53] you're [47:54] saying [47:54] as [47:54] possibly [47:55] taking [47:56] on [47:56] the [47:56] helm [47:56] of [47:56] speakership [47:57] it's [47:57] a [47:57] repeat [47:58] yes [47:59] yes [47:59] in [48:00] effect [48:00] he's [48:01] bordering [48:02] on [48:02] what [48:02] we call [48:03] recidivism [48:03] only [48:04] he's [48:04] not been [48:05] convicted [48:05] because [48:05] for [48:06] recidivism [48:06] you have [48:07] to be [48:07] convicted [48:07] twice [48:08] but [48:08] he's [48:09] done it [48:09] twice [48:09] now [48:09] although [48:10] he's [48:10] not [48:10] convicted [48:10] into [48:11] the mighty [48:12] halls [48:12] of [48:12] power [48:13] the [48:13] speaker [48:14] of [48:14] the [48:15] house [48:15] where [48:15] they [48:16] agreed [48:16] later [48:21] on [48:22] and [48:23] later [48:24] on [48:24] when [48:29] that [48:29] happened [48:29] he refused [48:30] to give it [48:32] to Velasco [48:32] the speaker [48:33] and [48:33] I quote [48:35] what he's [48:36] saying [48:36] again [48:36] now [48:37] if you [48:37] have [48:38] the [48:38] numbers [48:38] and [48:39] he [48:40] forget [48:41] and [48:41] later [48:41] on [48:41] he had [48:42] to eat [48:42] crow [48:43] later [48:45] on [48:45] he is [48:46] quoted [48:46] in the [48:47] media [48:47] I [48:49] apologize [48:52] I [48:53] will [48:57] irrevocably [48:59] resign [48:59] from the [48:59] speakership [49:00] of the [49:00] house [49:00] so [49:01] it [49:01] creates [49:03] a [49:03] very [49:03] bad [49:04] impression [49:04] of the [49:05] senate [49:05] that [49:06] they're [49:06] now [49:06] after [49:07] their [49:07] position [49:08] not [49:10] the [49:10] truth [49:10] not [49:11] the [49:11] public [49:11] interest [49:12] but [49:12] their [49:13] power [49:13] and [49:14] that [49:14] is [49:14] very [49:14] bad [49:15] especially [49:16] when [49:16] you [49:16] start [49:16] thinking [49:17] of [49:17] all [49:17] the [49:17] problems [49:18] that [49:18] are [49:19] currently [49:19] today [49:19] with [49:20] the [49:20] problems [49:20] of [49:21] the [49:21] Senado [49:25] we [49:25] have [49:26] brought [49:29] that up [49:30] before [49:30] the [49:31] hard [49:32] in [49:32] Senado [49:33] 24 [49:33] na [49:33] lang [49:34] magkakamag-anak [49:35] pa [49:35] yung [49:36] mga [49:36] tao [49:36] right [49:37] there [49:37] should [49:37] be [49:37] a [49:38] law [49:38] against [49:38] that [49:39] yes [49:40] actually [49:40] the [49:40] best [49:40] law [49:41] is [49:41] the [49:41] people [49:41] itong [49:43] impeachment [49:43] ito [49:44] manunod [49:47] ang [49:47] tao [49:47] and [49:48] pag [49:49] nanunod [49:49] ang [49:49] tao [49:49] katulad [49:50] sinabi [49:50] nung [49:51] binuksan [49:52] na yung [49:52] bangko [49:53] nung [49:54] nakaraan [49:54] presidente [49:54] talagang [49:56] nagimbal [49:56] na [49:56] ang [49:56] tao [49:57] nagunod [49:57] na [49:57] ang [49:57] second [49:59] edsa [49:59] and [50:00] that's [50:00] what [50:01] they're [50:01] trying [50:01] to [50:01] prevent [50:02] let's [50:03] cut [50:03] to [50:04] the [50:04] chase [50:05] the [50:05] only [50:05] thing [50:05] these [50:06] people [50:06] are [50:06] trying [50:06] to [50:07] do [50:07] is [50:08] to [50:08] prevent [50:09] or [50:09] derail [50:10] the [50:10] impeachment [50:11] they know [50:13] they're [50:13] going to [50:13] win [50:13] the [50:13] impeachment [50:14] because [50:14] they have [50:14] the [50:15] votes [50:15] but [50:16] when [50:17] you [50:17] start [50:17] investigating [50:18] and [50:19] it's [50:19] going to [50:19] be [50:19] open [50:20] to [50:20] the [50:20] general [50:20] public [50:21] and [50:21] there [50:21] will [50:22] probably [50:22] be [50:22] demonstrations [50:23] outside [50:23] the [50:23] senate [50:24] and [50:24] the [50:25] senate [50:25] halls [50:25] will [50:25] be [50:26] packed [50:26] with [50:26] people [50:26] after [50:27] that [50:28] it's [50:28] hard [50:29] to [50:29] make [50:30] it's [50:31] hard [50:31] to [50:31] see [50:32] the [50:32] evidence [50:33] if [50:34] it's [50:34] going to [50:36] let's [50:38] talk [50:38] about [50:38] the [50:38] numbers [50:39] because [50:39] you [50:39] have [50:39] your [50:40] own [50:40] experience [50:41] with [50:41] the [50:41] impeachment [50:42] you [50:42] were [50:42] there [50:43] you [50:43] were [50:44] a [50:44] senator [50:44] during [50:44] corona [50:45] no [50:45] i [50:47] was [50:47] never [50:47] in [50:47] the [50:47] impeachment [50:48] i [50:49] was [50:49] in [50:49] the [50:49] committee [50:50] for [50:50] 12 [50:50] years [50:51] after [50:52] corona [50:52] after [50:53] na [50:54] pero [50:55] after [50:56] na [50:56] after [50:57] okay [50:58] all right [50:59] now [51:00] you need [51:02] 16 [51:03] to [51:03] essentially [51:04] convict [51:05] senator [51:06] Laxon [51:06] said [51:06] that's [51:07] the [51:07] number [51:07] regardless [51:08] of how [51:08] many [51:08] there [51:09] are [51:09] in [51:10] the [51:10] senate [51:10] in [51:10] absentia [51:11] or [51:11] not [51:11] it's [51:12] quite [51:12] clear [51:13] you [51:13] need [51:13] 16 [51:14] looking [51:15] at [51:15] the [51:16] makeup [51:17] of [51:17] the [51:17] senate [51:18] now [51:18] do [51:19] you [51:19] believe [51:19] they'll [51:19] be [51:19] able [51:20] to [51:20] get [51:20] 16 [51:21] to [51:22] convict [51:22] it [51:23] depends [51:23] on [51:24] the [51:25] mood [51:25] of the [51:25] public [51:26] if [51:26] the [51:26] mood [51:26] of [51:26] the [51:26] public [51:27] becomes [51:27] angry [51:28] I'm [51:28] sure [51:28] some [51:28] people [51:29] will [51:29] cross [51:29] over [51:30] because [51:31] the [51:31] heat [51:31] and [51:32] the [51:32] pressure [51:32] will [51:32] be [51:32] so [51:33] much [51:33] mapapahiyan [51:34] on the [51:36] other [51:36] hand [51:37] I'm [51:37] trying to [51:37] remember [51:38] the [51:39] provision [51:39] in [51:39] this [51:39] one [51:40] mandatory [51:44] two-thirds [51:45] worth [51:45] of all [51:46] its [51:46] members [51:47] how do [51:54] you get [51:54] two-thirds [51:55] of all its [51:55] members [51:56] two-thirds [51:57] become [51:57] lower [51:58] it [52:01] doesn't [52:02] say [52:02] two-thirds [52:03] or [52:03] 16 [52:04] votes [52:04] or [52:04] out [52:05] of [52:05] 24 [52:05] it's [52:07] just [52:07] a [52:08] conclusion [52:08] by [52:08] all of [52:09] us [52:09] that [52:10] two-thirds [52:10] of [52:10] 24 [52:11] is [52:11] 16 [52:12] but [52:14] then [52:14] that's [52:15] a [52:15] case [52:15] of [52:15] death [52:16] so [52:16] let's [52:16] say [52:16] kung [52:17] 24 [52:17] may [52:18] nangyari [52:19] dalawa [52:19] na matay [52:20] 22 [52:21] magbabago [52:21] ang [52:22] two-thirds [52:22] but [52:23] let's [52:23] say [52:24] like [52:24] ito [52:24] si [52:25] Bato [52:25] nagtatago [52:26] let's [52:26] say [52:27] may [52:27] isa [52:27] pang [52:27] senador [52:28] na [52:28] hypothetically [52:29] madetained [52:30] they are [52:31] still [52:32] considered [52:32] members [52:33] of the [52:33] senate [52:33] right [52:34] not [52:35] if [52:35] they're [52:35] under [52:35] arrest [52:36] already [52:37] is that [52:38] right [52:38] but [52:39] is that [52:39] clear [52:40] but [52:40] is [52:40] that [52:41] clear [52:41] senator [52:42] gordon [52:43] kapag [52:43] na [52:44] arresto [52:44] ka [52:44] na [52:45] detained [52:45] eh [52:45] hindi [52:45] ka [52:45] convicted [52:46] hindi [52:47] ka [52:47] considered [52:48] na [52:48] member [52:48] well [52:49] no [52:49] you're [52:50] still [52:50] a [52:50] member [52:50] but [52:51] your [52:51] independence [52:53] would be [52:53] questionable [52:54] because [52:54] you're [52:54] under [52:54] the [52:55] custody [52:55] of [52:55] somebody [52:56] else [52:56] oh [52:57] but [52:58] meaning [52:58] you [52:59] can't [52:59] vote [52:59] but [53:00] then [53:00] you're [53:00] still [53:01] a [53:01] member [53:01] so [53:02] the [53:02] two-thirds [53:03] remains [53:03] to be [53:04] 16 [53:04] that [53:05] has [53:06] to be [53:06] seen [53:07] because [53:07] a [53:07] position [53:08] ko [53:09] pag [53:09] death [53:11] penalty [53:11] or [53:13] plunder [53:15] you [53:17] will not [53:18] be given [53:18] bail [53:19] right [53:20] away [53:20] you're [53:20] not [53:20] bail [53:21] you're [53:21] gonna [53:22] go [53:22] out [53:22] and [53:23] the [53:24] constitution [53:24] really [53:25] speaks of [53:26] a situation [53:27] where you [53:27] have to [53:28] be present [53:28] because [53:29] in an [53:29] impeachment [53:30] you have [53:30] to see [53:31] the [53:31] demeanor [53:31] of the [53:31] witnesses [53:32] yeah [53:32] no [53:33] I agree [53:33] with you [53:33] there [53:34] so [53:34] no [53:35] you're [53:35] looking [53:35] at [53:35] your [53:36] demeanor [53:36] as [53:36] well [53:36] how [53:37] you [53:37] ask [53:38] questions [53:38] you're [53:39] depriving [53:39] the [53:39] public [53:40] of [53:40] that [53:40] so [53:40] I [53:41] think [53:41] present [53:42] oh [53:43] no [53:44] I [53:44] agree [53:44] with [53:44] you [53:45] present [53:45] in [53:45] terms [53:46] of [53:46] voting [53:46] but [53:47] my [53:47] question [53:47] is [53:50] I [53:51] see [53:51] so [53:52] naliniwala [53:53] kayo [53:53] na [53:54] kapag [53:54] wala [53:54] doon [53:55] personally [53:55] dapat [53:56] hindi [53:56] na yun [53:56] i-consider [53:57] na [53:57] member [53:58] ng [53:59] Senate [53:59] ng [54:00] impeachment [54:00] court [54:01] rather [54:01] parang [54:02] ganun [54:02] I'm [54:03] saying [54:04] that [54:04] this [54:04] is [54:04] a [54:04] case [54:04] of [54:04] first [54:05] impression [54:05] we've [54:06] never [54:06] had [54:06] this [54:06] situation [54:07] which [54:08] the [54:08] Supreme [54:08] Court [54:09] may [54:09] be [54:10] asked [54:10] to [54:10] look [54:10] into [54:10] but [54:11] as [54:11] far [54:11] as [54:11] I'm [54:12] concerned [54:12] as [54:12] a [54:12] lawyer [54:12] all [54:13] the [54:13] members [54:14] does [54:14] not [54:14] specify [54:15] 16 [54:15] it [54:16] just [54:16] says [54:17] two [54:17] thirds [54:17] of [54:18] all [54:18] the [54:18] members [54:19] of [54:19] the [54:19] Senate [54:19] of [54:22] all [54:22] his [54:22] members [54:23] is [54:24] 24 [54:25] but [54:26] like [54:26] I [54:26] said [54:26] if [54:27] something [54:27] happens [54:28] it's [54:28] like [54:28] force [54:30] but [54:30] you're [54:30] not [54:31] death [54:32] I [54:33] think [54:33] death [54:33] would [54:33] be [54:34] clear [54:34] that [54:34] then [54:34] you'll [54:35] have [54:35] let's [54:35] say [54:35] 23 [54:36] members [54:36] but [54:37] I [54:37] think [54:37] it's [54:37] debatable [54:38] if [54:38] somebody [54:39] is [54:39] detained [54:39] or [54:40] arrested [54:41] right [54:41] yes [54:42] arrested [54:44] that's [54:44] interesting [54:45] you're [54:45] right [54:45] are you [54:50] still [54:50] considered [54:50] a [54:51] member [54:51] to [54:52] me [54:53] the [54:53] fact [54:54] that [54:54] you're [54:54] under [54:54] custody [54:55] will [54:56] be [54:56] pressure [54:57] they [54:59] can [54:59] say [54:59] open [54:59] pressure [55:02] so [55:03] there [55:04] will [55:04] be [55:04] questions [55:04] about [55:05] that [55:05] it's [55:06] a [55:06] very [55:06] far [55:07] fetched [55:07] pressure [55:08] I [55:08] don't [55:08] think [55:09] they'll [55:09] do [55:09] that [55:09] but [55:09] the [55:09] point [55:09] is [55:10] the [55:11] 24 [55:11] is [55:12] not [55:12] a [55:13] real [55:14] number [55:14] it [55:14] depends [55:15] on [55:15] the [55:16] current [55:16] situation [55:17] like [55:17] I [55:17] say [55:17] then [55:20] it [55:21] becomes [55:21] 20 [55:21] that's [55:24] an [55:24] interesting [55:24] interpretation [55:25] but [55:25] let's [55:26] say [55:26] like [55:27] Antonio [55:27] Trillianes [55:28] he [55:28] was [55:29] already [55:29] he [55:29] was [55:29] detained [55:30] and [55:30] I [55:30] remember [55:31] covering [55:31] him [55:32] and [55:32] he [55:33] was [55:33] doing [55:33] senate [55:33] work [55:34] inside [55:34] the [55:35] detention [55:35] cell [55:36] he [55:37] was [55:38] in [55:38] a [55:38] camp [55:38] but [55:39] his [55:39] staff [55:39] was [55:40] there [55:40] he [55:40] was [55:40] doing [55:40] work [55:41] now [55:41] unlike [55:42] they [55:43] allowed [55:43] Trillianes [55:44] to [55:44] participate [55:45] but [55:46] I [55:46] don't [55:46] know [55:46] if [55:46] he [55:46] was [55:48] allowed [55:48] to [55:48] vote [55:49] but [55:49] on [55:49] the [55:49] other [55:50] hand [55:50] Laila [55:50] De [55:51] Lima [55:51] when [55:51] she [55:52] was [55:52] detained [55:52] she [55:53] was [55:53] not [55:54] allowed [55:54] to [55:55] do [55:55] senate [55:55] work [55:56] inside [55:56] her [55:57] cell [55:59] that's [56:00] the [56:00] thing [56:00] about [56:00] the [56:00] senate [56:01] the [56:02] rules [56:02] kind [56:03] of [56:03] they [56:04] they're [56:04] so [56:04] flexible [56:05] depending [56:05] on [56:06] the [56:06] administration [56:07] mali [56:07] yun [56:07] eh [56:08] it's [56:08] almost a [56:09] microphone [56:09] of the [56:09] philippines [56:10] oh [56:11] yeah [56:11] pagkakasama [56:12] tayo [56:12] pagbidyan [56:13] natin [56:13] kasama [56:14] natin [56:14] yan [56:14] o [56:15] kung [56:15] polis [56:16] tayo [56:16] magkabaro [56:18] tayo [56:18] wag na [56:18] natin [56:18] hulihin [56:19] yan [56:19] tumingin [56:19] na lang [56:20] tayo [56:20] sa [56:20] kabila [56:20] diba [56:20] this [56:21] is [56:21] the [56:21] problem [56:22] with [56:22] our [56:22] country [56:23] that [56:23] is [56:23] why [56:23] we [56:24] are [56:24] in [56:25] a [56:25] very [56:26] very [56:26] serious [56:26] situation [56:27] the [56:27] whole [56:28] world [56:28] is [56:28] looking [56:28] at [56:29] us [56:29] they [56:29] saw [56:30] bato [56:30] running [56:30] in [56:31] the [56:31] senate [56:31] they [56:32] saw [56:32] the [56:32] senate [56:32] saying [56:33] you [56:33] are [56:33] under [56:33] the [56:34] protective [56:34] custody [56:34] and [56:35] they [56:35] saw [56:35] all the [56:39] things [56:39] that [56:39] so [56:41] the [56:42] whole [56:42] world [56:42] is [56:42] watching [56:42] us [56:43] and [56:43] here [56:43] we [56:43] are [56:43] asking [56:44] come [56:44] over [56:44] we [56:45] have [56:45] a [56:45] perfect [56:46] place [56:46] for [56:46] investment [56:47] there's [56:48] a [56:48] rule [56:48] of [56:48] law [56:48] that [56:49] is [56:49] predictable [56:49] that [56:50] is [56:50] consistent [56:50] and [56:51] all [56:53] that [56:54] is [56:54] the [56:54] case [56:54] that [56:55] you [56:55] are [56:55] hurting [56:55] our [56:56] country [56:56] severely [56:57] all [56:58] right [56:58] my [56:58] last [56:59] question [56:59] is [56:59] the [57:00] change [57:00] of [57:00] leadership [57:01] senator [57:02] laxon [57:02] said [57:03] also [57:03] that [57:04] it's [57:04] clear [57:05] that [57:05] you [57:05] need [57:05] 13 [57:06] votes [57:06] he [57:07] said [57:08] in [57:08] the [57:08] interview [57:08] not open [57:09] to [57:09] interpretation [57:10] 13 [57:11] to change [57:14] the [57:14] leader [57:15] the [57:15] senate [57:15] president [57:16] would [57:17] you [57:17] agree [57:17] with [57:18] that [57:18] because [57:18] this [57:19] is [57:19] the [57:19] interpretation [57:20] wala [57:21] rin [57:21] yung [57:21] is [57:21] wala [57:22] rin [57:22] si [57:22] bato [57:23] precisely [57:24] 13 [57:26] is [57:26] the [57:26] majority [57:27] in [57:27] a [57:27] 24 [57:28] man [57:28] said [57:28] good [57:30] point [57:31] good [57:31] point [57:32] but [57:32] if [57:33] you [57:33] if [57:34] you [57:34] say [57:34] naging [57:35] 22 [57:37] now [57:38] so [57:38] the [57:40] law [57:40] abhors [57:41] a vacuum [57:42] hindi [57:42] na [57:42] pwede [57:43] kung [57:43] wala [57:44] nang [57:44] 24 [57:45] pipirito [57:45] pa [57:46] yung [57:46] 16 [57:46] o [57:47] pipirito [57:47] pa [57:47] yung [57:47] 13 [57:48] wala [57:48] nang [57:48] 24 [57:48] kailangan [57:49] the [57:50] law [57:50] will [57:50] now [57:51] find [57:51] this [57:52] way [57:52] to [57:53] making [57:53] sure [57:53] that [57:54] the [57:55] law [57:55] proceeds [57:55] with [57:56] the [57:57] course [57:57] of [57:57] business [57:58] of [57:58] the [57:58] senate [57:58] you [57:59] know [58:00] senator [58:00] gordon [58:01] i [58:01] think [58:02] you [58:02] make [58:02] strong [58:03] points [58:03] on [58:04] this [58:04] especially [58:04] masagot [58:05] yung [58:05] 13 [58:05] and [58:06] 16 [58:06] but [58:07] clearly [58:08] that [58:08] will [58:08] that's [58:09] not 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[1:01:28] we're [1:01:29] now [1:01:29] over [1:01:30] time [1:01:30] thank you [1:01:35] so much [1:01:35] thank you [1:01:36] so much [1:01:36] for that [1:01:37] discussion [1:01:37] so I do [1:01:38] hope to [1:01:39] have you [1:01:39] again [1:01:39] on Head Start [1:01:40] especially [1:01:41] when the [1:01:42] impeachment [1:01:43] trial [1:01:43] starts [1:01:44] you'd be [1:01:45] a great [1:01:45] resource [1:01:46] person [1:01:46] for that [1:01:47] thank you [1:01:47] sir [1:01:48] thank you [1:01:48] very much [1:01:49] I'm [1:01:49] very happy [1:01:49] to see [1:01:49] you [1:01:50] and [1:01:50] discuss [1:01:51] this [1:01:51] for the [1:01:52] benefit [1:01:53] of the [1:01:53] people [1:01:53] thank you [1:01:54] thank you [1:01:55] former [1:01:55] senator [1:01:56] Richard [1:01:56] Gordon [1:01:57] and that [1:01:58] is it [1:01:58] Start [1:01:58] Today [1:01:59] everybody [1:01:59] I'm [1:01:59] Karen [1:02:00] Davila [1:02:00] thank you [1:02:01] for 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