Senate committee on health probes increasing use of vapes and cigarettes among youth — May 6

[0:00] My fellow senators who will be following shortly, our resource persons and guests, magandang araw po. [0:07] Today we are not simply discussing the regulation of vape products. [0:12] Patuloy nating dinidinig at pinag-uusapan kung paano natin poprotektahan ang kalusugan ng ating mamamayan. [0:22] We are deciding how far we are willing to go to protect the health of our people, lalo na ang ating kabataan. [0:29] When Congress passed Republic Act No. 11900, malinaw ang ating naging paniniwala. [0:38] We believe that regulation would be enough, that safeguards would control access, and that risks could be managed. [0:48] We have heard from doctors, experts, and even from the experiences in our communities. [0:55] Young people, some as young as 13 to 15, are already using vape products. [1:01] Bakit nga ba? Ito'y dahil ang vape products ay attractive, accessible, at affordable. [1:13] Madali silang makabili, madali silang ma-expose, at madali silang ma-engganyo. [1:21] Online, isang click lang, I am 18, at may delivery na. [1:27] O isang PM lang, makaka-score na agad sa sellers na nasa iba't-ibang social media platforms. [1:34] Walang totoong age verification, walang accountability. [1:41] Sa mga physical stores, shops, kiosks, at iba pa, lantad pa rin ang vape products. [1:48] May iba't-ibang flavors. [1:50] At patuloy ang exposure nito sa cyberspace, internet, at iba't-ibang online platforms. [1:56] Malinaw, hindi na lang ito simpleng implementation gap. [2:03] Ito ay malinaw na disconnect sa pagitan ng policy design at lived reality. [2:11] Hindi na ito simpleng usapin ng compliance. [2:15] Ito'y usapin kung papaanong ang mga batas natin ay naiikutan sa realidad. [2:21] And so, we are confronted with a fundamental question. [2:27] Is our current regulatory model working? [2:31] Or is it being outpaced by the risks it was meant to control? [2:37] The proposed measure being heard today, Senate Bill 21, asks us to reconsider our approach. [2:45] It proposes a shift from managing access to minimizing exposure. [2:51] Mula sa market-based regulation, tungo sa mas malinaw na public health-centered approach. [3:00] Some may say that this goes too far. [3:04] Pero balikan natin ang napag-usapan na. [3:08] Nicotine is not a neutral substance. [3:11] It is addictive. [3:13] It affects brain development. [3:15] And early exposure increases the risk of lifelong dependency. [3:21] We have seen this before. [3:22] With tobacco, we delayed, we normalized, we compromised, and generations paid the price. [3:32] Today, we have a chance to act earlier and act better. [3:38] Allow me to frame the key tensions that this measure seeks to address. [3:43] First, harm reduction versus public health protection. [3:48] Tunay ba itong alternatibo para sa smokers? [3:53] O nagiging entry point ito ng panibagong henerasyon sa nicotine addiction? [3:59] Second, regulation versus restriction. [4:04] Kaya pa ba ng regulation ang problemang ito? [4:08] O kailangan na ng mas malinaw at mas mahigpit na limitason? [4:13] Third, youth protection versus adult access. [4:18] How do we ensure that adult choice does not come at the expense of children's health? [4:26] Fourth, trade regulation versus health governance. [4:32] Should a product with clear health risks remain under a trade-oriented framework? [4:37] Or be placed under health authorities? [4:41] And fifth, digital economy versus public health. [4:45] Kaya ba nating kontrolin ang online access? [4:50] O kailangan na nating magtakda ng mas malinaw na hangganan? [4:54] These are not abstract questions. [4:59] They are grounded in what we have already seen. [5:03] Safeguards that exist on paper but are easily bypassed in practice. [5:09] Maraming salamat po at umaasa akong masasagot natin ang mga tanong na ito ng tama at efektibo. [5:15] So at this point, I'd like to ask the committee secretary to recognize our guests and resource persons [5:23] and identify those who are not present at the last hearing, [5:28] after which I will allow them to, or you, to briefly share your positions. [5:32] Good morning, Madam Chair. [5:34] For this continuation of the public hearing on the BAEF issue, [5:37] we have the following resource persons from the Department of Health. [5:40] We have Dr. Jessica Catalan-Legarda, [5:42] the program director of the smoking cessation program of the Lange Center of the Philippines. [5:47] We also have Dr. Dominic A. Madumba, [5:50] the director of the Health Promotion Bureau of the OH. [5:53] Together with Mr. Christian Carlo Domingo, [5:56] Medical Officer 3, [5:57] Ms. Nikki Catabona, Health Program Officer 3, [6:00] Ms. Naida Macapalag, Health Program Officer, [6:03] Ms. Maria Angelica Ginto, Senior Health Program Officer, [6:06] and Mr. Antonio Banario. [6:08] From the Food and Drug Administration, [6:10] we have Engineer Anna Trinidad Rivera, [6:13] Director, [6:15] and with Engineer Jean Hallen B. Sanchez, [6:19] Ms. Opheline Cabrido, [6:21] Ms. Lian Moacel Garcia, [6:23] Mr. John Malelang, [6:26] Ms. Mary Grace Gabayoyo, [6:27] Mr. Paulo Enrico Pascual, [6:29] Ms. Marianne Depante, [6:31] and Ms. Iris Cunera Tagaro. [6:33] From the Department of Trade and Industry, [6:35] we have Attorney Predisuenda Beñas, [6:37] the Division Chief of the Office for the Special Mandate on Vaporized Nicotine [6:41] and Non-Nicotine Products, [6:43] their Devices and Noble Tobacco Products. [6:45] Together with Ms. Micaela Leongas, [6:48] Trade Industry Development Analyst, [6:50] and Mr. Bonifacio Antolin. [6:53] From the Department of Information and Communication Technology, [6:58] we have Colonel Alan Araw-Araw, [7:00] Chief Digital Analytics Division, [7:02] Cybercrime Investigation and Coordination Center. [7:05] Together with Ms. Angelica Leila Uylenko, [7:07] Mr. Darren Joseph Mancilia, [7:11] and Ms. Josepia Anne-Marie Monzon. [7:15] We also have from the NTC, [7:18] Attorney Regina Annel Cruz Velasco. [7:21] From the Department of Social Welfare and Development, [7:24] through Zoom, [7:27] we have Assistant Secretary Zabedin Aziz [7:29] and Attorney Mark Emokling. [7:33] From the Department of Labor and Employment, [7:35] we have Dr. Maria Revelyn Galura, [7:37] Co-Patient and Health Officer, [7:39] together with Ms. Jean Orsolino, the DLLO. [7:42] From the Department of Education, [7:44] we have Director Miguel Angangelo Mantaring [7:47] of the Bureau of Learner Support Services, [7:49] together with Attorney Jopiel Dave Bacay, [7:54] and Mr. Gian Eric Adaw. [7:56] From the Commission on Higher Education, [7:58] we have Attorney Patricia Bautista, [8:01] Project Technical Staff. [8:02] From the Technical Education and Skills Development Authority, [8:05] we have Attorney Luz Feliz Alinao. [8:07] From the City of Baguio, [8:11] representing Mayor Benjamin Magalong, [8:13] via Zoom, [8:14] we have Dr. Celia Flor Villiantes, [8:16] the City Health Officer, [8:18] together with Dr. Don Abel Panes, [8:20] the Technical Staff for the Smoke Free City Task Force. [8:25] Excuse me, Comsec, [8:26] online na po ba yung Baguio City Health Office? [8:29] Yes, ma'am. [8:30] Okay, hindi ko kasi sila makita pa. [8:34] Palagay po namin, ma'am. [8:35] Alright, salamat. Please proceed. [8:37] Yes, ma'am. [8:37] From the Philippine National Police, [8:40] we have Police Colonel Pablito Asmod Jr., [8:42] the Chief of the CRACDIDM, [8:45] or the Directorate for Investigative and Detective Management, [8:50] and Police Colonel Fitz Macariola, [8:53] Representative from the Directorate for Operations, [8:57] Police Colonel Levi Hope Basilio from the CIDG, [9:01] together with Mr. Pedro Martires Jr., [9:03] the Deputy Director for Operations, [9:05] PNP Maritime Group, [9:06] and Mr. Marlo Gabato, [9:08] the Chief of the Legal Service Section [9:09] of the PNP Maritime Group. [9:11] From the National Bureau of Investigation, [9:13] we have Attorney Al Anthony M. Chua, [9:15] who's also a doctor, [9:17] together with Mr. John Cedric Rodriguez. [9:20] From the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency, [9:22] we have Attorney Jacqueline Aide Guzman, [9:24] the Director for Compliance Service, [9:26] together with Attorney Joel Maddio. [9:29] From the Bureau of Customs, [9:32] we have Mr. Emmanuel Likop, [9:33] the Deputy Commissioner Investigation Group. [9:36] Good morning po, sir. [9:41] Gusto niyo po upo sa halloo? [9:43] Sa likod lang, ma'am. [9:46] We also have Attorney Alain Delacruz, [9:49] the Chief of the Intelligence Division, [9:51] and Attorney Karen Anyambau, [9:54] and Attorney Christopher D. Buiko. [9:57] From the Philippine E-Cigarette Industry Associate, [10:00] ma'am, this is his first time to attend, [10:02] Mr. Joey Durei, the President. [10:05] Also attending for the first time [10:06] from the digital platforms, [10:09] from Shopee, Philippines, [10:10] we have Attorney Jamie Hans-Segovia [10:12] for Public Affairs, [10:14] together with Mr. Philip Fulion, [10:16] Head of Institutional Relations. [10:18] From Lazada, Philippines, [10:20] we have Mr. John Kenneth Estelier, [10:23] Head of Government Affairs, [10:24] together with Mr. Antonio M.A.B. Reyes IV. [10:29] From TikTok, Philippines, [10:30] we have Attorney Ives Randolph P. Gonzalez, [10:32] the Head of Public Policy, [10:34] and from TikTok Shop, [10:36] Mr. Mike Mendoza for Public Policy. [10:39] We also have, from them, [10:43] from TikTok, [10:44] Mr. Joaquin Luna, [10:46] Project Assistant, [10:47] and Ms. Jean Jaramirez, [10:49] Legal Counsel. [10:50] From Facebook Philippines, [10:51] we have Attorney Gio Tingson, [10:53] the Head of Public Policy. [10:59] Regrets po. [11:00] By the way, ma'am, [11:01] the Philippine Tobacco Institute, [11:02] we invited them, [11:04] but they sent their regrets again [11:06] for the second time. [11:07] But they did attend the TWG [11:10] on no babysit school bill, ma'am. [11:13] Did they say, [11:14] bakit hindi sila nakadalo ulit? [11:16] Hindi po, ma'am. [11:16] Okay. [11:17] So if ever, [11:18] baka pwede na lang imbitahin sila ulit sa TWG, [11:21] kung decision na ng Comsec na gano'ng. [11:23] Yes. [11:23] Alright. [11:23] Please proceed. [11:29] From the Health Justice Philippines, [11:30] we have Attorney Mr. Ralph Emerson de Goliacion, [11:34] the Project Manager. [11:35] We are expecting [11:36] Attorney Benedict Esperes also to arrive. [11:39] From the [11:40] Philippine Legislators Committee [11:42] on Population and Development, [11:43] we have Ms. Aurora Quilala, [11:44] the Executive Director, [11:45] together with Ms. Christine Luis Torres, [11:48] the Advocacy and Partnerships Officer. [11:51] From the Action for Economic Reforms, [11:53] we have Mr. Paul Andre Rosset, [11:54] the Legislative Officer, [11:55] together with Ms. Sofia Beatriz Rodrigo. [11:58] From the Caps and Partners Incorporated, [12:01] a consultancy firm on BAPE, [12:04] we have Mr. Michael Eric Casillo, [12:06] the President. [12:07] He's also his first time. [12:09] From Nicotine Consumer Union of the Philippines, [12:11] we have Mr. Antonio Israel, [12:13] the President, [12:13] first time also. [12:14] And Dr. Lareza Matap, [12:17] the Quit for Good President. [12:20] So, [12:20] come here for the first time, [12:22] Madam Chair. [12:23] That will be all, Madam Chair. [12:26] Thank you, Comsec. [12:27] So, [12:27] may listahan ako dito [12:28] ng mga sampu [12:29] sa inyo po, [12:30] mga resource persons [12:31] na hindi pa nakapagsalita [12:32] at the first hearing. [12:33] So, [12:34] I'd like to ask [12:35] if you'd like to briefly [12:36] share your positions [12:38] on the bill [12:39] bago ako mag-post [12:41] ng ilang mga tanong. [12:42] So, [12:43] could we hear first, [12:43] please, [12:44] from [12:44] the President [12:46] of PESIA, [12:47] Philippine E-Cigarette [12:48] Industry Association, [12:50] Mr. Joey Dulay, [12:52] if you'd like to make [12:53] any statement, sir. [12:57] Good morning, ma'am. [12:59] I'd like to read [12:59] a short statement. [13:02] Honorable Chairman, [13:04] thank you for the opportunity [13:06] to be heard [13:07] as you deliberate [13:08] on Senate Bill [13:09] Numbers 21, [13:11] 534, [13:12] and 1918, [13:13] and Senate Resolution [13:15] Number 345. [13:17] I speak today [13:19] with two perspectives. [13:20] First, [13:21] as a parent, [13:22] we may come [13:23] from different groups, [13:24] but we have [13:25] the same pressing concern, [13:26] which is to protect [13:27] our youth. [13:28] This is not abstract [13:29] to me, [13:30] it is personal. [13:31] Second, [13:32] as President [13:33] of the PESIA, [13:34] I represent [13:35] lawful, [13:36] taxpaying, [13:37] and regulated [13:37] Filipino businesses [13:38] that follow the law [13:40] and provide livelihood. [13:43] PESIA represents [13:44] over 300 businesses [13:45] and more than [13:46] 10,000 allied vapors [13:48] and 1 million users [13:49] nationwide. [13:50] We support [13:51] Republic Act [13:52] Number 11900 [13:53] because it already [13:54] prohibits [13:55] the sale of [13:56] vape products [13:56] to anyone under 18, [13:58] requires strict [13:59] product registration [14:00] with DTI, [14:02] imposes [14:02] internationally [14:03] accepted product [14:04] and safety standards, [14:06] proper packaging, [14:08] and age [14:09] verification measures. [14:11] If fully implemented, [14:12] the law actually [14:13] creates an environment [14:14] where products [14:15] are safer, [14:16] traceable, [14:17] and kept [14:18] out of minor's reach. [14:20] But that is not [14:21] the environment [14:22] that we have. [14:23] The market is flooded [14:24] with unregistered, [14:25] non-compliant, [14:26] illegal vape products, [14:28] so the real gap [14:28] is not in the current law, [14:31] but in its enforcement, [14:33] particularly against [14:34] illicit products [14:35] and black market retailers. [14:37] These are the devices [14:38] young people are using [14:39] and pose the greatest danger. [14:42] With all due respect, [14:43] we cannot comment [14:44] on the products [14:45] that were previously shown [14:46] in the last hearing [14:47] because those are not [14:49] legal and regulated. [14:51] They are illicit products [14:52] that evade the safeguards [14:54] of the law altogether. [14:56] TSEA members [14:57] do not carry products [14:59] that are not licensed [15:00] or approved by the DTI [15:01] based on internationally [15:03] accepted product standards. [15:06] These illicit products [15:08] do not pay excise [15:09] tax to the BIR [15:10] and are sold [15:11] through illegal channels, [15:13] whether online [15:14] or in violation [15:15] of RA 11900. [15:16] First of all, [15:18] it is these [15:19] black market retailers [15:20] who sell these products [15:21] for our youth [15:22] with no regard [15:24] for any law [15:24] or regulation. [15:26] The legitimate indices [15:27] should not pay the price [15:29] for the criminal acts [15:30] of unscrupulous sellers [15:32] violating the law. [15:33] We are one [15:34] with civil society, [15:35] health groups, [15:36] and parents. [15:37] Your concern [15:38] on youth access [15:39] is also our concern. [15:41] Let us all work together [15:42] in addressing this problem. [15:44] We need to report [15:45] those who are selling [15:46] to the youth [15:47] and selling unlicensed tapes [15:48] that are attractive [15:50] to the youth. [15:51] In BESIA, [15:52] we take compliance seriously. [15:54] We even expel [15:55] our retailers [15:56] who sell to minors [15:57] and refuse to follow the law. [16:00] Kahit nga po [16:00] sa aming mga kontrata [16:02] with our sales staff, [16:04] nakalagay daw [16:05] pag kayo po [16:05] ay nagbenta [16:06] sa minor de edad, [16:09] kayo po [16:09] ay matatanggal [16:10] sa trabaho. [16:12] My personal commitment [16:13] is this. [16:14] Kami po ay patuloy [16:15] na makikipagtulungan [16:16] sa mga ahensya [16:17] tulad ng DTI, [16:19] DIR, [16:20] at DOC, [16:21] at law enforcement agencies [16:23] para habulin [16:23] ang mga kriminal [16:24] na gawain [16:24] ng mga ito. [16:26] Hindi lang nila [16:27] ginugulo ang buhay [16:27] ng mga kabataan, [16:28] sinisira rin nila [16:29] ang lehitimong negosyo [16:31] na smusunod sa batas. [16:33] We respectfully [16:34] urge focus [16:35] on three things. [16:37] Stronger coordinated [16:38] enforcement, [16:40] decisive action [16:41] against illegal [16:42] online sellers, [16:43] and regulatory stability [16:45] so that compliant [16:46] businesses [16:46] can continue [16:47] to protect youth [16:48] while providing [16:49] legitimate livelihoods. [16:51] As a parent [16:51] and as a president, [16:54] I stand ready [16:55] to work with you. [16:55] Marami salamat po. [16:57] Marami salamat din po, [16:58] Mr. Dulay. [16:59] Next, [17:00] could we please hear [17:00] from the president [17:02] of Quit for Good, [17:03] Dr. Lorenzo Mata. [17:12] Good morning, [17:12] Honorable Chair. [17:14] I'm Dr. Lorenzo Mata, [17:15] Jr., [17:16] a doctor, [17:17] scientist, [17:18] advocate of [17:18] evidence-based [17:20] public health policy. [17:22] I serve [17:23] as a president [17:24] of Quit for Good, [17:26] which is a public [17:26] health organization [17:28] advancing [17:30] tobacco harm reduction [17:32] as a pragmatic [17:33] approach [17:33] to saving lives [17:36] and improving [17:36] public health outcomes. [17:39] This approach [17:40] recognized globally [17:41] and by our country [17:42] through the [17:43] Vape Law 2023 [17:44] offers adult [17:46] smokers [17:47] regulated [17:48] smoke-free [17:49] alternatives, [17:50] especially [17:50] for those [17:51] who are unable [17:52] to quit [17:53] using the [17:54] conventional means. [17:55] Of course, [17:56] it is not [17:57] never advisable [17:58] to start smoking [17:59] and for smokers, [18:00] it's always best [18:01] to quit it [18:02] all together. [18:03] For those adult [18:04] smokers [18:05] who are not [18:05] able to quit, [18:06] however, [18:07] tobacco harm reduction [18:08] provides a viable [18:10] pathway [18:10] to move away [18:12] from cigarettes. [18:13] In reality, [18:14] Your Honors, [18:15] at the heart [18:17] of our discussion [18:18] are not products, [18:20] but people. [18:22] Smoking remains [18:23] a leading [18:25] cause of [18:26] preventable [18:26] death and [18:27] diseases. [18:28] And despite [18:29] of our best [18:29] efforts, [18:31] many smokers, [18:33] approximately [18:33] more than [18:34] 15 million [18:35] of Filipino [18:36] smokers [18:37] are unable [18:37] or unwilling [18:38] to quit. [18:40] We are united [18:40] in one goal. [18:42] This is to [18:42] reduce this [18:43] burden. [18:45] The science [18:45] is clear. [18:47] Combustion [18:47] is the problem. [18:48] It is the [18:48] burning of tobacco [18:49] that produces [18:50] the toxic [18:51] chemicals [18:51] responsible [18:52] for most [18:53] of the [18:54] smoking-related [18:55] diseases. [18:55] If we [18:56] remove [18:56] combustion, [18:58] we reduce [18:58] the harm. [18:59] And this [19:00] provides a [19:00] potential [19:01] pathway for [19:02] harm reduction. [19:03] For chronic [19:04] smokers who [19:06] are unable [19:06] to quit, [19:08] switching them [19:08] completely [19:09] to regulated [19:11] smoke-free [19:13] alternatives [19:14] will reduce [19:15] their exposure [19:15] to harmful [19:16] substances. [19:19] Let me be [19:22] clear. [19:22] These products [19:23] are not [19:23] risk-free. [19:25] And they [19:25] are not [19:25] for the [19:26] youth [19:26] nor [19:27] non-smokers. [19:28] these are [19:29] meant for [19:30] adult [19:30] smokers. [19:32] That's [19:32] why [19:33] regulation [19:33] is [19:34] critical. [19:35] Strong [19:36] safeguards [19:38] such as [19:39] age [19:40] restrictions, [19:41] product [19:42] standards, [19:42] and [19:42] enforcements [19:43] are [19:43] necessary [19:44] to [19:44] prevent [19:45] youth [19:46] of [19:46] take [19:46] and [19:47] at the [19:47] same [19:48] time [19:48] afford [19:49] chronic [19:50] smokers [19:50] access to [19:52] these [19:52] regulated [19:52] smoke-free [19:53] alternatives. [19:54] There [19:55] is a [19:55] preponderance [19:56] of [19:56] scientific [19:57] evidence [19:57] to support [19:58] this. [19:58] And I [19:58] have [19:59] here [19:59] two [19:59] of [20:00] them. [20:00] I [20:00] would [20:00] like [20:01] to [20:01] share [20:01] with [20:02] the [20:02] committee [20:03] for your [20:03] perusal [20:04] to give [20:05] you a [20:05] more [20:05] balanced [20:06] evidence-based [20:07] approach [20:07] to the [20:08] issue at hand. [20:09] If you [20:09] could, [20:09] doctor, [20:09] briefly [20:10] or in [20:11] a [20:11] synopsis [20:11] form. [20:12] Salamat po. [20:13] I [20:13] have [20:14] this [20:14] study [20:17] from [20:18] independent [20:19] study, [20:20] peer-reviewed [20:21] comparison [20:22] of [20:22] carbonylids [20:22] and [20:23] tobacco [20:23] specific [20:23] nitrosamines [20:24] in [20:24] aerosols [20:25] and [20:25] heated [20:25] tobacco [20:26] products [20:26] and [20:27] conventional [20:28] cigarettes [20:28] smoke [20:29] using [20:30] targeted [20:30] analytical [20:32] methods. [20:34] I [20:34] have [20:34] a [20:34] voluminous [20:35] that I [20:37] would [20:37] like to [20:37] share [20:38] to the [20:38] committee [20:38] for their [20:39] perusal [20:39] and [20:40] they [20:41] can [20:41] have [20:41] more [20:43] balanced [20:43] and [20:43] evidence-based [20:45] approach [20:45] to the [20:46] matter [20:46] on [20:46] hand. [20:47] I [20:48] also [20:48] invite [20:49] my [20:50] fellow [20:51] health [20:51] advocates [20:51] and [20:52] DOH [20:52] officials [20:52] to [20:53] review [20:53] the [20:53] same [20:54] materials [20:54] because [20:55] in [20:55] order [20:56] for us [20:56] to have [20:56] a [20:57] genuine [20:57] evidence-based [20:58] dialogue, [20:59] this is [20:59] the only [21:00] way we [21:00] can do [21:00] that. [21:01] Now, [21:02] to reiterate, [21:02] these products [21:03] are not [21:04] intended [21:04] for anyone [21:06] else. [21:07] This is [21:07] only used [21:08] for [21:08] alternatives [21:09] for [21:10] existing [21:10] smokers [21:11] who [21:12] cannot [21:12] quit. [21:13] And [21:13] to be [21:13] more [21:14] empathic [21:14] about [21:14] it, [21:15] you [21:15] are not [21:16] espousing [21:16] or [21:17] promoting [21:17] nicotine. [21:18] this is [21:20] about [21:20] reducing [21:21] disease, [21:22] easing [21:22] the [21:22] burden [21:23] on [21:23] our [21:24] healthcare [21:24] system [21:25] and [21:25] saving [21:26] lives. [21:27] In [21:27] public [21:27] health, [21:28] we are [21:28] often [21:28] faced [21:28] with [21:29] imperfect [21:29] choices. [21:31] But [21:31] if [21:32] evidence [21:34] shows [21:34] that we [21:36] have [21:36] the [21:37] opportunity [21:37] to [21:38] reduce [21:39] harm, [21:39] we have [21:40] the [21:40] responsibility [21:40] to [21:41] walk. [21:42] Because [21:42] in [21:42] the [21:43] end, [21:44] the [21:45] measure [21:49] of our [21:49] policies [21:50] is that [21:50] how [21:50] much [21:51] it [21:52] is, [21:53] but [21:54] how [21:54] many [21:54] lives [21:55] it [21:55] saves. [21:56] And [21:56] if [21:56] we [21:56] refuse [21:57] to [21:57] act, [21:58] then [21:58] we [21:58] accept [21:59] the [21:59] continued [22:00] burden [22:00] of [22:01] preventable [22:02] premature [22:02] death [22:03] and [22:03] diseases. [22:04] Thank [22:04] you, [22:04] Your Honor. [22:06] Thank you, [22:06] Dr. [22:06] Mata. [22:08] Now, [22:09] let's [22:09] hear from [22:10] the [22:10] President [22:11] of the [22:11] Nicotine [22:11] Consumers [22:12] Union [22:13] of the [22:13] Philippines, [22:14] Mr. [22:14] Antonio [22:14] Israel. [22:15] Maraming [22:16] salamat [22:16] po, [22:16] Senadora [22:17] Antiveros. [22:18] Unang [22:19] una, [22:20] ang [22:21] paggamit [22:21] ng [22:22] vaporized [22:22] nicotine [22:23] products [22:23] is a [22:24] significant [22:25] way [22:27] toward [22:28] achieving [22:29] better [22:30] health [22:30] outcomes. [22:32] Bakit? [22:33] Kasi [22:33] binabawasan [22:34] po ang [22:34] pinsala [22:35] dulot [22:36] ng [22:36] pagsusunog. [22:38] Ang [22:38] pagsusunog, [22:39] ikukumpara [22:39] po natin [22:40] sa [22:40] pagluluto, [22:41] eh, [22:41] yung [22:42] mga [22:42] pinihipan [22:44] pa [22:44] hong [22:44] ganun, [22:45] yung [22:46] baga, [22:48] napupunta [22:50] sa [22:50] baga, [22:51] mapaminsala. [22:52] Pero [22:52] ang [22:52] paggamit [22:53] ng [22:53] electric [22:53] stove, [22:54] very [22:55] clean. [22:56] Ganun [22:56] din po [22:56] sa [22:56] sakyan, [22:58] combustible [22:59] vehicles [23:00] are [23:01] quite [23:01] dirty [23:02] compared [23:02] to [23:03] electric [23:03] vehicles [23:04] na [23:04] nauuso [23:05] ngayon. [23:06] So, [23:07] ang [23:07] katanungan [23:08] nung [23:08] natin [23:08] dito [23:09] ay yung [23:09] proteksyon [23:10] ng [23:11] mga [23:11] kabataan. [23:13] Kumpara [23:13] sa [23:13] paninigarilyo [23:14] at [23:15] paggamit [23:15] ng [23:15] vape, [23:16] kung [23:16] napapansin [23:16] ay maraming [23:17] gumagamit [23:18] ng [23:18] vape [23:19] sa [23:19] mga [23:19] kabataan, [23:20] e ganun [23:21] din po [23:21] sa [23:22] paninigarilyo. [23:23] Pumunta [23:24] po tayo [23:24] sa [23:24] mga [23:24] kanayunan [23:25] dahil [23:26] prevalent, [23:28] popular [23:28] ang mga [23:29] smuggled [23:29] cigarettes, [23:30] 13 [23:31] years old, [23:31] 14 [23:32] years old, [23:32] 15 [23:32] years old, [23:33] nagiyosi. [23:35] Bakit? [23:37] Ang [23:37] dahilan, [23:38] gutom. [23:41] Mga [23:42] bata, [23:42] 10 [23:42] piso [23:43] ang [23:43] baon. [23:44] Anong [23:44] nabibili [23:44] ng mga [23:45] bata [23:45] sa [23:45] 10 [23:45] piso [23:46] ngayon? [23:47] Sigarilyo, [23:48] smuggled [23:48] cigarettes, [23:49] 5 [23:49] piso, [23:51] pwedeng-pwede [23:51] na pag [23:51] break [23:52] time. [23:53] Yung mga [23:53] tindera, [23:54] binibentahan [23:55] ng mga [23:55] bata, [23:57] pero [23:57] ikumpara [23:57] nyo sa [23:58] BAPE, [23:59] regulated [23:59] po, [24:00] ang [24:00] RA [24:01] 11900 [24:02] ay sapat [24:03] na sapat [24:04] po para [24:04] proteksyonan [24:05] ang [24:05] interes [24:06] ng mga [24:06] kabataan [24:07] at [24:08] ang [24:08] interes [24:08] ng [24:09] mga [24:09] magulang. [24:10] Lamang, [24:12] hindi pa [24:12] po talaga [24:13] ito [24:13] nabibigyan [24:14] ng [24:15] panahon [24:16] para makita [24:17] po natin [24:17] kung hinug [24:18] na ba [24:19] yung [24:19] bunga. [24:20] Huwag [24:20] po natin [24:20] sabihin [24:21] o pagpalagay [24:22] na [24:22] maasim [24:23] bunga [24:24] hindi pa [24:24] nga [24:24] huwag [24:25] hinug [24:25] sana [24:26] mapagbigan [24:27] po [24:27] ng [24:28] sapat [24:28] na [24:28] panahon [24:29] kung [24:29] ang [24:30] RA [24:30] 11900 [24:31] ay tagtunay [24:32] na [24:33] foolproof [24:34] o hindi [24:35] at doon [24:35] tayo [24:36] magbalik [24:37] at [24:37] pag-usapan [24:38] natin [24:38] kung [24:39] papano [24:39] natin [24:40] ito [24:40] mapapaiki. [24:41] Maraming [24:42] salamat [24:42] po [24:42] sa pagkakataon. [24:43] Maraming [24:44] salamat [24:44] din po [24:44] Mr. [24:45] Israel. [24:46] Ngayon [24:47] pakinggan [24:47] po [24:47] natin [24:48] ang [24:48] presidente [24:49] ng [24:49] CAPS [24:49] and [24:50] Partners [24:50] Incorporated [24:51] si [24:52] Michael [24:52] Eric [24:53] Castillo. [24:58] Good [24:59] morning [24:59] Senator [25:00] Conteberos. [25:02] What we [25:03] did is [25:03] we simply [25:04] analyzed [25:04] the bill [25:05] and [25:05] the [25:06] analysis [25:06] is [25:06] really [25:07] focused [25:07] on [25:07] Senate [25:08] Bill [25:08] 21 [25:09] simply [25:10] because [25:10] when [25:11] I [25:11] read [25:12] the [25:12] three [25:12] bills [25:13] the [25:14] bill [25:14] of [25:14] Senator [25:15] Padilla [25:15] is [25:16] only [25:16] about [25:16] exclusion [25:17] of [25:18] one [25:18] type [25:19] of [25:20] chemical [25:20] in [25:20] the [25:20] production [25:21] of [25:21] DNNPs. [25:24] Now [25:24] the [25:25] bill [25:25] of [25:26] Senator [25:26] Bill [25:27] Yanueva [25:27] I [25:28] think [25:28] is [25:28] subsumed [25:29] also [25:29] under [25:30] Senate [25:30] Bill [25:30] 21 [25:31] simply [25:31] because [25:31] it [25:32] focuses [25:32] on [25:33] jurisdiction [25:33] and [25:34] also [25:35] the [25:35] age [25:35] limit [25:36] and [25:36] which [25:36] is [25:36] also [25:37] covered [25:37] by [25:37] Senate [25:37] Bill [25:38] 21. [25:38] So [25:39] I [25:39] did it [25:39] appropriate [25:40] to [25:40] just [25:40] analyze [25:41] Senate [25:41] Bill [25:42] 21. [25:43] Just [25:44] a [25:45] point [25:45] of [25:45] clarification [25:46] Mr. [25:46] Castillo [25:47] wala [25:48] pa pong [25:48] alinman [25:49] sa mga [25:49] panukala [25:50] ang [25:50] nasubsume [25:50] sa [25:51] alinpang [25:51] iba [25:51] gagawin [25:52] po [25:52] natin [25:53] yan [25:53] sa [25:53] TWG [25:54] until [25:55] finally [25:55] mabuo [25:56] yung [25:56] committee [25:56] report [25:57] but [25:57] the [25:57] committee [25:58] appreciates [25:58] kung [25:58] gusto [25:59] nyo [25:59] bigyan [25:59] ng [25:59] diin [26:00] yung [26:00] isa [26:00] sa [26:01] mga [26:01] panukala [26:01] so [26:02] please [26:02] proceed [26:02] well [26:03] the [26:05] analysis [26:06] was [26:07] made [26:07] using [26:08] a [26:09] four [26:09] layered [26:10] framework [26:10] the [26:12] first [26:12] is [26:12] in [26:13] terms [26:13] of [26:13] the [26:13] legal [26:13] design [26:14] what [26:15] the [26:15] law [26:15] intends [26:16] second [26:17] is [26:18] the [26:18] institutional [26:19] capacity [26:19] what [26:20] the [26:20] government [26:20] agencies [26:21] can [26:21] enforce [26:22] behavioral [26:24] response [26:25] how [26:25] people [26:26] actually [26:26] react [26:26] to [26:27] regulations [26:27] and [26:28] their [26:29] effects [26:29] and [26:30] for [26:30] the [26:31] system [26:31] outcomes [26:32] what [26:32] would [26:32] be [26:32] the [26:33] effect [26:33] of [26:33] the [26:34] bill [26:34] in [26:34] terms [26:35] of [26:35] health [26:36] impact [26:36] fiscal [26:36] impact [26:37] and [26:37] market [26:38] effects [26:39] so [26:40] this [26:41] is [26:41] purely [26:41] in [26:42] terms [26:42] of [26:43] the [26:43] bill [26:43] itself [26:44] when [26:45] we [26:45] look [26:45] at [26:46] the [26:46] coherence [26:47] internal [26:47] consistency [26:48] of the [26:49] provisions [26:49] conscious [26:50] of course [26:51] of existing [26:52] literature [26:52] on [26:53] tobacco [26:53] tobacco [26:54] regulations [26:55] and [26:55] studies [26:58] on [26:58] this [26:59] subject [27:00] area [27:01] so [27:01] I [27:02] have [27:02] 19 [27:02] page [27:02] document [27:03] but [27:03] I [27:03] will [27:04] only [27:04] read [27:04] one [27:05] page [27:05] conclusion [27:06] based [27:06] on [27:06] the [27:06] analysis [27:07] and [27:07] simply [27:08] submit [27:08] the [27:09] 19 [27:10] page [27:11] document [27:11] for [27:12] consideration [27:13] and [27:14] appreciation [27:14] of the [27:14] committee [27:15] so [27:16] using [27:17] four [27:18] layered [27:18] analytical [27:19] framework [27:19] and [27:19] our [27:20] analysis [27:21] of the [27:21] bill [27:21] reveals [27:22] the [27:22] following [27:22] one [27:24] the [27:24] goals [27:24] of [27:24] the [27:25] bill [27:25] are [27:25] clear [27:25] but [27:26] not [27:26] internally [27:27] balanced [27:27] the [27:28] bill [27:29] prioritized [27:29] risk [27:30] prevention [27:30] especially [27:31] youth [27:31] over [27:32] harm [27:32] reduction [27:32] for [27:33] existing [27:33] smokers [27:34] second [27:35] the [27:35] bill [27:36] is [27:36] highly [27:36] restrictive [27:36] across [27:37] all [27:38] regulatory [27:38] levers [27:39] labor [27:39] ban [27:40] total [27:41] advertising [27:41] and [27:42] sponsorship [27:42] ban [27:43] online [27:43] sales [27:44] prohibition [27:45] point [27:46] of sales [27:46] invisibility [27:47] and [27:48] geographic [27:49] scale [27:50] restrictions [27:50] while these [27:51] are [27:52] consistent [27:52] with [27:53] youth [27:53] protection [27:53] goals [27:54] they [27:54] are [27:54] not [27:55] with [27:55] secession [27:55] or [27:56] substitution [27:56] goals [27:57] in [27:58] terms [27:59] of [27:59] policy [27:59] orientation [28:00] the [28:01] bill [28:01] reflects [28:01] hybrid [28:02] model [28:03] tilted [28:04] strongly [28:04] toward [28:05] prohibition [28:06] characterized [28:07] by legal [28:08] allowance [28:08] in [28:08] principle [28:09] but [28:10] with [28:11] severe [28:11] functional [28:11] restriction [28:12] in [28:13] practice [28:13] implementation [28:16] based on [28:18] our [28:18] analysis [28:19] is [28:19] administratively [28:20] heavy [28:20] and may [28:21] unevenly [28:22] enforceable [28:23] increasing [28:24] the risk [28:24] of [28:24] selective [28:25] or [28:25] symbolic [28:26] enforcement [28:27] marami [28:28] na po [28:28] tayong [28:28] mga [28:29] ganyan [28:29] na [28:29] batas [28:30] na [28:30] nagiging [28:31] symbolic [28:31] ang [28:31] enforcement [28:32] gaya [28:33] ng [28:33] seatbelt [28:34] gaya [28:35] ng [28:35] mga [28:36] ganyang [28:36] batas [28:37] na [28:37] nung [28:37] una [28:38] masiga [28:39] sigang [28:40] pag [28:40] implement [28:40] pero [28:41] nung [28:42] kalaunan [28:42] hindi [28:42] na rin [28:43] iniimplement [28:44] okay [28:44] in terms [28:45] of [28:46] net [28:46] harm [28:46] assessment [28:47] balance [28:48] of [28:49] evidence [28:49] suggest [28:50] that [28:50] proposed [28:50] measure [28:51] may [28:51] likely [28:51] increase [28:52] total [28:52] harm [28:53] if [28:53] smoking [28:54] prevalence [28:55] remains [28:55] high [28:55] this is [28:56] because [28:57] harm [28:57] reduction [28:58] pathway [28:58] may be [28:59] weakened [28:59] by the [29:00] bill [29:00] even if [29:01] suppression [29:01] pathway [29:02] or reduced [29:03] uptake [29:03] especially uptake [29:05] of the [29:05] youth [29:05] is strengthened [29:06] by it [29:07] the bill [29:09] also presents [29:10] a net [29:10] negative [29:11] fiscal risk [29:13] profile [29:13] primarily driven [29:14] by market [29:15] contraction [29:16] and enforcement [29:17] limitations [29:18] a scenario [29:19] based [29:19] estimate [29:20] built [29:21] from [29:21] public [29:21] revenue [29:22] data [29:22] enforcement [29:23] cost [29:24] benchmarking [29:25] and [29:26] illicit [29:26] market [29:26] risk [29:27] shows [29:27] adverse [29:28] fiscal [29:28] effects [29:28] of [29:29] the [29:29] bill [29:29] in [29:30] terms [29:30] of [29:30] revenue [29:31] impact [29:31] government [29:32] expenditure [29:33] impact [29:33] and [29:34] illicit [29:34] trade [29:34] impact [29:35] the [29:36] there [29:37] are [29:38] figures [29:38] of [29:39] estimates [29:39] in [29:40] the [29:40] 19 [29:40] page [29:41] document [29:41] but [29:42] I [29:42] will [29:42] simply [29:43] submit [29:43] them [29:43] for [29:44] appreciation [29:45] of the [29:46] committee [29:46] finally [29:48] your [29:49] honor [29:49] the bill [29:50] faces [29:50] serious [29:50] risk [29:51] when [29:51] implemented [29:52] my [29:53] worry [29:53] your [29:54] honor [29:54] is [29:54] that [29:54] it [29:55] may [29:55] undermine [29:56] its [29:56] own [29:56] health [29:57] objectives [29:57] on [30:00] two [30:00] grounds [30:01] first [30:01] by [30:01] discouraging [30:02] switching [30:03] from [30:03] cigarettes [30:04] to [30:05] alternative [30:06] less [30:06] harmful [30:07] products [30:07] and [30:08] by [30:08] driving [30:08] users [30:09] to [30:09] illicit [30:10] markets [30:10] I [30:10] think [30:11] the [30:11] illicit [30:12] market [30:12] is [30:12] the [30:13] bigger [30:13] risk [30:13] we [30:14] have [30:14] we [30:15] have [30:15] in [30:16] my [30:16] last [30:17] presentation [30:18] to [30:19] the [30:20] event [30:21] of [30:21] Senate [30:22] Tax [30:23] Research [30:23] Office [30:24] on [30:25] illicit [30:25] trade [30:26] this [30:26] is [30:26] actually [30:26] a [30:27] red [30:27] flag [30:28] for [30:28] us [30:28] even [30:28] in [30:29] the [30:29] international [30:29] when it [30:30] comes [30:30] to [30:30] illicit [30:30] trades [30:31] so [30:32] some [30:32] of [30:32] my [30:32] recommendations [30:33] policy [30:34] recommendations [30:35] I [30:35] think [30:35] may be [30:36] discussed [30:36] as [30:37] we [30:37] discussed [30:38] the [30:38] bill [30:38] itself [30:38] thank [30:39] you [30:39] your [30:39] honor [30:39] thank [30:40] you [30:41] Mr. [30:41] Castillo [30:41] and [30:42] also [30:42] in [30:42] advance [30:43] para [30:43] dun [30:43] sa [30:43] kopya [30:44] nung [30:44] study [30:45] ninyo [30:46] alright [30:47] so [30:48] pakinggan [30:48] naman [30:48] natin [30:49] online [30:51] ang [30:52] City [30:52] Health [30:52] Officer [30:53] ng [30:53] Baguio [30:54] City [30:54] representing [30:55] Mayor [30:56] Benjamin [30:56] Magalong [30:57] Dr. [30:58] Celia [30:58] Flor [30:59] Brillantes [31:00] Hello [31:07] Hello [31:07] Doctor [31:07] You have [31:09] the [31:09] floor [31:09] Good [31:13] morning [31:13] Honorable [31:14] Chair [31:14] Distinguished [31:16] Senators [31:17] Distinguished [31:18] guests [31:19] I [31:20] am [31:20] here [31:21] to [31:21] represent [31:22] our [31:22] City [31:23] Mayor [31:23] Mayor [31:25] Benjamin [31:25] Magalong [31:26] the [31:26] Mayor [31:26] of [31:27] Baguio [31:27] City [31:27] So [31:29] I [31:29] am [31:29] Dr. [31:29] Celia [31:30] Flor [31:30] Brillantes [31:31] the [31:31] City [31:31] Health [31:31] Officer [31:32] and [31:33] I [31:33] am [31:33] the [31:34] Vice [31:34] Chair [31:35] of [31:35] the [31:35] Baguio [31:36] City [31:36] Smoke [31:36] Free [31:37] Task [31:38] Force [31:38] So [31:39] I [31:40] would [31:40] like [31:40] to [31:40] share [31:40] to [31:41] you [31:41] the [31:41] slide [31:42] of [31:42] our [31:42] good [31:43] Mayor [31:43] and [31:44] I [31:44] would [31:44] like [31:44] to [31:45] read [31:45] the [31:45] actual [31:46] words [31:46] of [31:47] our [31:47] good [31:47] Mayor [31:48] Excuse [31:49] me [31:49] Doctor [31:49] Just [31:50] for [31:50] information [31:51] Ilang [31:52] slides [31:52] po [31:52] ito [31:53] With [31:53] Senators [31:53] present [31:54] and [31:55] with [31:55] four [31:55] important [31:56] Senate [31:56] measures [31:56] on [31:57] the [31:57] table [31:57] SBN [31:58] 21 [31:59] SBN [32:00] 534 [32:01] SBN [32:02] 1918 [32:03] and [32:04] SRN [32:04] 345 [32:05] I [32:06] welcome [32:06] these [32:07] bills [32:07] They [32:08] represent [32:08] serious [32:09] legislative [32:10] attention [32:11] to a [32:12] crisis [32:12] unfolding [32:13] in our [32:14] communities [32:14] I [32:15] am [32:15] here [32:16] to [32:16] share [32:16] what [32:16] we [32:17] have [32:17] seen [32:17] and [32:18] done [32:18] on [32:18] the [32:18] ground [32:19] and [32:19] to [32:19] offer [32:20] Baguio [32:20] City's [32:21] perspective [32:21] on [32:22] what [32:22] works [32:22] what [32:23] falls [32:23] short [32:24] and [32:24] what [32:25] this [32:25] nation [32:25] must [32:26] ultimately [32:27] do [32:27] Excuse [32:28] me [32:29] Doctora [32:29] Ilang [32:30] slides [32:30] po [32:31] ito [32:31] Baguio [32:32] has the [32:32] strongest [32:32] smoke [32:32] free [32:32] ordinance [32:33] in [32:33] the [32:33] Philippines [32:34] We [32:35] enacted [32:35] it [32:36] in [32:36] 2017 [32:37] and [32:38] we [32:38] were [32:38] the [32:38] first [32:39] local [32:39] government [32:39] to [32:40] explicitly [32:40] name [32:41] e-cigarettes [32:42] and [32:42] vaping [32:43] products [32:43] in [32:44] that [32:44] ordinance [32:45] We [32:45] collected [32:46] over [32:46] 13 [32:47] million [32:47] pesos [32:48] in [32:48] fines [32:48] in [32:49] a [32:49] single [32:49] quarter [32:50] We [32:51] apprehended [32:52] 3,155 [32:54] violations [32:55] in [32:55] one [32:55] year [32:56] We [32:57] caught [32:57] 350 [32:58] minors [32:59] vaping [32:59] and [33:00] and [33:00] because [33:00] of [33:01] nine [33:01] years [33:02] of [33:02] sustained [33:02] enforcement [33:03] cigarette [33:04] use [33:05] in [33:05] Baguio [33:05] City [33:05] fell [33:06] from [33:06] 35% [33:08] to [33:08] 13% [33:09] But [33:10] here [33:10] is [33:11] the [33:11] problem [33:11] Vaping [33:13] has [33:13] risen [33:13] to [33:14] fill [33:14] every [33:15] percentage [33:15] point [33:16] that [33:16] cigarettes [33:17] lost [33:18] Our [33:18] children [33:19] are [33:19] still [33:19] vaping [33:20] in [33:21] school [33:21] toilets [33:22] in [33:22] stairwells [33:23] from [33:24] vapes [33:25] ordered [33:25] online [33:26] and [33:27] no [33:27] local [33:28] ordinance [33:29] can [33:29] stop [33:29] a [33:30] legal [33:30] product [33:30] sold [33:31] through [33:31] a [33:31] national [33:32] digital [33:33] marketplace [33:34] That [33:35] is [33:35] why [33:36] we [33:36] are [33:36] here [33:37] not [33:37] to [33:37] complain [33:38] but [33:39] to [33:39] tell [33:39] this [33:39] committee [33:40] what [33:40] the [33:40] national [33:41] government [33:41] must [33:42] do [33:42] Excuse me [33:45] Doctora [33:45] Can you [33:46] hear me? [33:47] These [33:47] are not [33:48] obstructions [33:49] Each [33:49] figure [33:50] represents [33:51] a [33:51] child [33:51] Nationally [33:53] one [33:53] in [33:54] seven [33:54] students [33:54] age [33:55] 13 [33:55] to [33:55] 15 [33:56] is [33:56] already [33:57] a [33:57] current [33:57] e-cigarette [33:58] user [33:59] based [34:00] on [34:00] the [34:00] 2019 [34:01] Global [34:02] Youth [34:02] Tobacco [34:02] Survey [34:03] Between [34:04] 2015 [34:05] and [34:05] 2019 [34:06] above [34:07] before [34:08] the [34:09] RA [34:09] 11900 [34:10] that [34:11] further [34:11] opened [34:12] the [34:12] market [34:13] youth [34:13] vaping [34:14] rose [34:14] by [34:15] 110 [34:16] percent [34:17] In [34:18] Baguio [34:18] City's [34:19] own [34:19] 2023 [34:20] Youth [34:20] Tobacco [34:21] Survey [34:21] 22 [34:22] percent [34:23] of [34:23] our [34:23] 13 [34:24] to [34:24] 15 [34:24] year [34:24] old [34:24] students [34:25] have [34:26] tried [34:26] vaping [34:26] 12 [34:27] and [34:28] a [34:28] half [34:28] percent [34:28] are [34:29] current [34:29] users [34:29] and [34:30] 37 [34:31] percent [34:31] of [34:32] youth [34:32] who [34:33] vape [34:33] say [34:33] they [34:34] had [34:34] no [34:34] difficulty [34:35] buying [34:36] them [34:36] despite [34:37] existing [34:38] age [34:39] restrictions [34:40] and [34:41] and [34:41] they [34:41] can [34:44] hear [34:45] me [34:46] the [34:52] Philippines [34:52] has [34:52] 2.7 [34:53] million [34:53] vape [34:54] users [34:54] 3 [34:55] percent [34:55] of [34:56] global [34:56] consumption [34:57] that [34:58] number [34:58] will only [34:59] grow [34:59] without [34:59] decisive [35:00] action [35:01] I want [35:03] to begin [35:03] by [35:03] acknowledging [35:04] these [35:04] four [35:05] measures [35:05] and [35:06] I mean [35:06] this [35:07] sincerely [35:07] SBN [35:09] 21 [35:09] authored [35:10] by [35:10] Senator [35:10] Cayetano [35:11] is the [35:12] most [35:12] comprehensive [35:13] it [35:14] repeals [35:14] RA [35:15] 11 [35:16] 900 [35:16] outright [35:17] and [35:18] proposes [35:18] a full [35:19] regulatory [35:20] framework [35:21] this [35:22] is the [35:23] right [35:23] direction [35:24] SBN [35:26] 534 [35:26] by [35:27] Senator [35:28] Villeneva [35:29] and [35:30] SBN [35:30] 1918 [35:31] by [35:31] Senator [35:32] Padilla [35:32] propose [35:34] amendments [35:34] to [35:35] strengthen [35:35] the [35:35] existing [35:36] law [35:36] these [35:38] are [35:38] steps [35:38] forward [35:39] but [35:40] the [35:40] test [35:41] is not [35:41] the [35:41] language [35:42] in [35:42] the [35:42] bill [35:43] the [35:43] test [35:44] is [35:44] whether [35:44] the [35:45] provisions [35:45] can [35:45] actually [35:46] be [35:46] enforced [35:47] on [35:47] the [35:47] ground [35:47] Senate [35:49] Resolution [35:50] number [35:50] 345 [35:51] by [35:52] Senator [35:52] Tulfo [35:53] calls [35:54] for a [35:54] Senate [35:54] inquiry [35:55] into [35:55] youth [35:55] vaping [35:56] online [35:57] sales [35:57] and [35:58] enforcement [35:59] gaps [35:59] this [36:00] resolution [36:01] validates [36:01] exactly [36:02] what [36:02] local [36:02] governments [36:03] have [36:04] been [36:04] saying [36:04] for [36:04] years [36:05] Senators [36:06] I am [36:07] not [36:07] here [36:08] to [36:08] oppose [36:08] any [36:09] of [36:09] these [36:09] measures [36:09] all [36:14] right [36:14] the [36:15] chair [36:16] apologizes [36:16] pinaputol [36:17] ko [36:18] na [36:18] muna [36:18] yung [36:18] presentation [36:19] ni [36:19] doktora [36:20] dahil [36:20] apparently [36:21] maraming [36:22] slides [36:22] ito [36:23] mahabang [36:23] presentation [36:24] di nila [36:25] akong [36:25] marinig [36:25] akala [36:26] nila [36:26] sila [36:26] yung [36:26] hindi [36:26] natin [36:27] naririnig [36:27] so [36:27] we're [36:29] just [36:29] communicating [36:29] directly [36:30] with [36:30] the [36:30] good [36:31] city [36:31] health [36:31] officer [36:32] for [36:33] her [36:33] to [36:33] stay [36:33] online [36:34] at [36:34] hihingin [36:35] ko [36:35] pa [36:35] rin [36:35] yung [36:36] kanilang [36:36] major [36:37] inputs [36:38] throughout [36:39] the [36:39] hearing [36:39] pero [36:39] pakinggan [36:40] muna [36:40] natin [36:41] yung [36:41] iba [36:41] pa [36:41] nating [36:42] resource [36:42] persons [36:43] na [36:43] hindi [36:43] pa [36:43] narinig [36:44] in [36:45] the [36:45] previous [36:45] hearing [36:46] so [36:46] comsec [36:46] nagkocommunicate [36:47] na tayo [36:47] directly [36:48] no [36:48] okay [36:48] thank you [36:49] so [36:50] pakipaliwanag [36:52] agad [36:53] parang [36:53] magtataka [36:54] si [36:54] doktora [36:55] kung ano [36:55] nangyari [36:56] all right [36:57] so [36:58] let's [36:58] move [36:59] on [36:59] first [36:59] to [37:00] the [37:00] other [37:00] resource [37:01] persons [37:01] mula [37:03] sa [37:03] public [37:04] affairs [37:04] ng [37:05] shopee [37:05] philippines [37:06] attorney [37:07] jamie [37:08] han [37:08] segovia [37:09] good [37:11] morning [37:11] honorable [37:11] chair [37:12] if i [37:12] may [37:13] read [37:13] our [37:13] statement [37:14] how [37:15] long [37:15] is [37:15] it [37:15] ma'am [37:16] attorney [37:17] all right [37:18] please [37:18] proceed [37:18] so [37:19] we [37:19] thank [37:19] this [37:20] honorable [37:20] committee [37:20] for the [37:22] opportunity [37:22] to participate [37:23] in today's [37:23] discussion [37:24] on proposed [37:25] legislation [37:25] addressing [37:26] public health [37:26] concerns [37:27] related to [37:28] the sale [37:28] and use [37:29] of vapes [37:29] shopee [37:30] extends [37:31] its sincere [37:31] appreciation [37:32] to the [37:32] honorable [37:32] committee [37:33] the [37:33] department [37:33] of [37:33] trade [37:34] and [37:34] industry [37:34] the [37:35] department [37:35] of [37:35] health [37:35] and the [37:36] food [37:36] and [37:36] drug [37:36] administration [37:36] for [37:37] our [37:37] continued [37:37] engagement [37:38] and [37:39] partnership [37:39] we [37:40] have [37:40] seen [37:40] that [37:41] close [37:41] collaboration [37:42] between [37:43] government [37:43] and [37:43] platforms [37:44] lead [37:45] to [37:45] stronger [37:45] consumer [37:46] protection [37:46] outcomes [37:47] while [37:48] supporting [37:48] the [37:48] growth [37:48] of [37:49] micro [37:49] small [37:50] and [37:50] medium [37:50] enterprises [37:51] we [37:52] recognize [37:52] that [37:53] under [37:53] the [37:53] internet [37:54] transactions [37:54] act [37:55] online [37:55] platforms [37:56] have [37:56] the [37:57] responsibility [37:57] to [37:57] put [37:58] in [37:58] safeguards [37:58] to [37:59] prevent [37:59] the [38:00] authorized [38:00] or [38:01] unlawful [38:01] sale [38:02] of [38:02] regulated [38:02] products [38:03] including [38:03] vapes [38:04] and [38:04] tobacco [38:05] products [38:05] and [38:06] to [38:06] ensure [38:06] that [38:07] sellers [38:07] meet [38:08] applicable [38:08] legal [38:09] and [38:09] regulatory [38:10] requirements [38:10] Shopee [38:12] takes [38:12] this [38:13] responsibility [38:13] seriously [38:14] and our [38:15] platform [38:15] governance [38:16] is designed [38:16] to [38:17] operationalize [38:18] these [38:18] obligations [38:18] at [38:20] Shopee [38:20] sellers are [38:21] required to [38:22] meet [38:22] applicable [38:22] regulatory [38:23] requirements [38:24] before [38:24] listing [38:25] and are [38:25] subject [38:26] to [38:26] ongoing [38:27] review [38:27] and [38:27] enforcement [38:28] access [38:29] to [38:30] regulated [38:30] product [38:31] categories [38:31] is [38:32] conditional [38:32] at [38:33] the [38:33] user [38:33] level [38:34] for [38:34] instance [38:35] access [38:35] is [38:36] further [38:36] restricted [38:37] through [38:37] our [38:38] know [38:38] your [38:38] customer [38:39] or [38:39] KYC [38:40] verification [38:40] system [38:41] users [38:42] who [38:42] have [38:43] not [38:43] completed [38:43] age [38:44] verification [38:45] or [38:45] whose [38:46] verified [38:47] age [38:48] identifies [38:48] them [38:49] as [38:49] minors [38:50] cannot [38:50] view [38:51] vape [38:51] related [38:52] listings [38:52] at [38:53] the [38:54] platform [38:54] level [38:54] these [38:55] listings [38:56] are [38:56] broadly [38:57] discoverable [38:59] and do [39:00] not appear [39:00] in general [39:01] search [39:01] results [39:02] this [39:03] is [39:03] intentional [39:03] by [39:04] design [39:04] reflecting [39:05] the [39:05] principle [39:05] that [39:06] regulated [39:06] products [39:07] should [39:07] not [39:08] be [39:08] passively [39:09] accessible [39:09] to [39:09] general [39:10] users [39:10] particularly [39:11] minors [39:12] we [39:13] complement [39:13] these [39:14] safeguards [39:14] with [39:15] continuous [39:15] monitoring [39:16] through [39:16] a [39:16] combination [39:17] of [39:17] automated [39:18] and [39:18] manual [39:18] reviews [39:19] dedicated [39:20] reporting [39:20] channels [39:21] and [39:21] close [39:22] coordination [39:22] with [39:23] relevant [39:23] government [39:23] agencies [39:24] where [39:25] violations [39:25] are [39:26] identified [39:26] we [39:27] take [39:27] appropriate [39:28] enforcement [39:28] action [39:29] including [39:30] listing [39:30] removal [39:30] and [39:31] suspension [39:31] of [39:31] non-compliance [39:32] seller [39:33] accounts [39:33] we [39:34] acknowledge [39:34] that [39:35] bad [39:35] actors [39:35] continue [39:36] to [39:36] test [39:36] safeguards [39:37] across [39:37] all [39:38] online [39:38] platforms [39:39] often [39:40] by [39:40] misrepresenting [39:41] products [39:41] or [39:42] disguising [39:42] listings [39:43] we [39:44] believe [39:44] that [39:44] enforcement [39:45] is [39:45] most [39:46] effective [39:46] when [39:47] platforms [39:47] and [39:48] regulators [39:48] operate [39:49] from [39:49] shared [39:50] specific [39:50] reference [39:51] points [39:51] and [39:52] when [39:52] regulatory [39:52] guidance [39:53] is [39:53] translated [39:53] into [39:54] listing [39:54] level [39:55] and [39:55] seller [39:55] level [39:55] indicators [39:56] that [39:57] can [39:57] be [39:57] applied [39:57] and [39:58] monitored [39:58] at [39:59] scale [39:59] Shopee [40:00] remains [40:00] fully [40:01] committed [40:01] to [40:01] working [40:02] with [40:02] this [40:02] honorable [40:02] committee [40:03] the [40:04] DTI [40:04] the [40:04] DOH [40:05] the [40:05] FDA [40:06] and [40:06] other [40:06] relevant [40:07] agencies [40:07] to [40:08] strengthen [40:08] enforcement [40:09] close [40:10] gaps [40:10] and [40:10] protect [40:11] Filipino [40:11] consumers [40:12] especially [40:12] the [40:13] youth [40:13] we [40:14] welcome [40:14] today's [40:14] discussion [40:15] and [40:15] remain [40:15] available [40:16] to [40:16] support [40:16] the [40:16] committee's [40:17] efforts [40:17] in [40:18] in [40:18] building [40:18] in [40:19] building a [40:19] framework [40:19] that [40:19] is [40:19] both [40:20] effective [40:20] and [40:20] implementable [40:21] across [40:22] all [40:22] online [40:22] platforms [40:23] thank [40:23] you [40:23] very [40:24] much [40:24] thank [40:25] you [40:25] very [40:25] much [40:25] also [40:26] attorney [40:26] Jamie [40:26] could [40:27] we [40:27] hear [40:28] now [40:28] please [40:28] from [40:29] head [40:30] of [40:30] government [40:30] affairs [40:31] for [40:31] Lazada [40:31] Philippines [40:32] Mr. [40:33] John [40:33] Kenneth [40:33] Estelier [40:34] yes [40:36] good [40:37] morning [40:37] everyone [40:37] hi [40:38] Senator [40:38] Honte [40:39] I'll [40:40] quickly [40:40] read [40:41] also [40:41] similarly [40:41] to [40:42] like [40:42] Shopee [40:42] our [40:43] statement [40:45] so [40:46] honorable [40:46] chairperson [40:47] esteemed [40:47] members of [40:48] the [40:49] first and [40:50] foremost [40:50] we [40:50] thank [40:51] you [40:51] for [40:51] this [40:51] opportunity [40:52] to [40:52] speak [40:52] with [40:53] you [40:53] today [40:53] on [40:54] this [40:54] matter [40:54] of [40:55] health [40:56] concern [40:56] and [40:56] issue [40:57] I [40:58] guess [40:59] for [40:59] Lazada [40:59] from [41:00] the [41:00] moments [41:01] these [41:01] concerns [41:01] were [41:02] raised [41:02] about [41:03] the [41:03] rising [41:03] use [41:04] of [41:04] vapes [41:04] and [41:04] novel [41:04] tobacco [41:05] products [41:05] among [41:05] minors [41:06] and [41:06] most [41:07] notably [41:07] as [41:07] of [41:07] late [41:08] Senator [41:08] Cayetano's [41:09] compelling [41:10] privileged [41:10] speech [41:10] that [41:11] highlighted [41:11] that [41:11] nearly [41:12] 40% [41:13] of teens [41:13] have [41:13] now [41:14] tried [41:14] these [41:14] products [41:15] we [41:16] took [41:16] these [41:16] seriously [41:17] in [41:19] today [41:20] if [41:20] you [41:20] search [41:21] through [41:21] our [41:21] platform [41:22] using [41:22] keywords [41:23] such as [41:23] vape [41:23] etc [41:24] they [41:25] are [41:25] met [41:25] with [41:25] a [41:25] clear [41:25] system [41:26] generated [41:26] message [41:27] quote [41:28] according [41:29] to [41:30] related [41:30] laws [41:30] and [41:30] policies [41:31] the [41:31] products [41:31] you [41:31] are [41:32] searching [41:32] for [41:32] cannot [41:32] be [41:33] sold [41:33] on [41:33] the [41:33] platform [41:34] this [41:34] has [41:34] been [41:34] in [41:36] effect [41:36] since [41:37] the [41:37] DTI [41:38] issued [41:38] Department [41:42] Administrative [41:43] Order [41:43] 24-03 [41:45] this [41:45] was [41:45] signed [41:46] by [41:46] then [41:46] DTI [41:46] Secretary [41:47] Alfredo [41:48] Pascual [41:48] this [41:48] is [41:48] July [41:49] 20 [41:49] 2024 [41:50] so [41:51] the [41:52] listings [41:52] that [41:52] you [41:53] see [41:53] on [41:53] the [41:53] platform [41:54] today [41:54] these [41:55] are [41:55] deemed [41:56] illicit [41:56] or [41:57] illegal [41:57] this [41:58] is [41:58] something [41:58] that [41:59] as [41:59] a [41:59] platform [41:59] we [42:00] continuously [42:00] fight [42:01] to [42:01] remove [42:02] and [42:02] to [42:02] clean [42:02] similarly [42:03] to [42:03] Shopee [42:04] we [42:04] use [42:04] AI [42:05] and [42:05] machine [42:06] learning [42:06] to [42:07] be [42:07] able [42:07] to [42:07] comb [42:07] through [42:08] the [42:08] platform [42:08] to [42:09] clean [42:09] the [42:10] platform [42:11] from [42:11] such [42:11] listings [42:12] these [42:12] listings [42:13] often [42:13] tend [42:14] to [42:14] be [42:15] miscategorized [42:16] and [42:17] they [42:17] use [42:18] deceptive [42:19] means [42:19] to be [42:19] able [42:20] to [42:20] post [42:20] so [42:21] for [42:21] example [42:21] in [42:22] the [42:22] product [42:22] page [42:23] where [42:23] you [42:23] see [42:23] the [42:23] photos [42:24] these [42:24] normally [42:25] won't [42:25] be [42:25] like [42:26] typically [42:26] like [42:27] the [42:27] pictures [42:28] of [42:28] vapes [42:29] these [42:29] will [42:29] be [42:30] different [42:30] products [42:31] it [42:32] can [42:32] be [42:32] like [42:32] t-shirts [42:33] and [42:33] then [42:33] there [42:33] will [42:33] be [42:34] certain [42:34] keywords [42:34] that [42:35] will [42:35] appear [42:35] there [42:35] so [42:36] this [42:36] is [42:36] something [42:36] that [42:36] we [42:37] have [42:37] to [42:37] also [42:37] train [42:37] our [42:38] system [42:38] to [42:38] be [42:38] able [42:39] to [42:39] detect [42:39] and [42:39] find [42:40] which [42:40] is [42:41] why [42:41] we [42:41] happily [42:42] coordinate [42:43] with [42:43] DTIO [42:44] SMV [42:44] and [42:45] other [42:45] agencies [42:46] where [42:46] we [42:46] can [42:47] to [42:47] be [42:47] able [42:47] to [42:47] make [42:48] our [42:48] system [42:49] smarter [42:49] and [42:49] more [42:50] better [42:50] at [42:51] removing [42:52] such [42:53] listings [42:53] I [42:55] think [42:55] beyond [42:55] compliance [42:56] we're [42:57] always [42:57] here [42:58] when [42:58] called [42:59] we [42:59] always [42:59] show [42:59] up [43:00] so [43:00] whenever [43:00] a [43:00] government [43:01] agency [43:01] or [43:02] congress [43:02] or [43:02] senate [43:03] calls [43:03] us [43:03] we're [43:04] here [43:04] to [43:04] be [43:04] able [43:05] to [43:05] help [43:05] and [43:05] to [43:06] support [43:06] whatever [43:07] is [43:08] being [43:08] pushed [43:09] for [43:09] senate [43:10] we [43:10] will [43:10] defer [43:11] to [43:11] the [43:12] wisdom [43:12] of [43:13] our [43:13] esteemed [43:14] senators [43:15] and [43:15] we [43:15] will [43:16] support [43:16] where [43:16] we [43:17] can [43:17] we [43:19] also [43:19] listen [43:19] where [43:20] we [43:20] can [43:20] and [43:20] offer [43:21] support [43:21] so [43:21] sharing [43:22] insights [43:22] on [43:22] emerging [43:23] seller [43:23] behaviors [43:24] technical [43:25] safeguards [43:25] etc [43:26] we [43:27] recognize [43:27] that [43:27] the [43:27] open [43:28] nature [43:28] of [43:28] e-commerce [43:28] can [43:29] be [43:29] exploited [43:30] by [43:30] bad [43:31] actors [43:31] but [43:31] we [43:31] also [43:32] believe [43:32] that [43:32] responsible [43:33] platforms [43:33] have [43:33] a [43:34] duty [43:34] and [43:34] an [43:34] opportunity [43:35] to [43:35] be [43:35] part [43:35] of [43:36] the [43:36] solution [43:36] that's [43:37] why [43:37] we [43:38] very [43:38] much [43:38] welcome [43:38] this [43:39] dialogue [43:39] we [43:40] also [43:40] are [43:43] senate [43:43] to [43:44] strengthen [43:44] protection [43:45] close [43:45] loopholes [43:45] and [43:46] ensure [43:46] that [43:46] our [43:46] digital [43:46] economy [43:47] serves [43:47] as [43:47] the [43:48] nation's [43:49] highest [43:49] priorities [43:50] which is [43:51] safety [43:52] health [43:52] and the [43:52] well-being [43:53] of our [43:53] countrymen [43:53] so [43:54] again [43:54] thank you [43:55] senator [43:55] for your [43:56] leadership [43:56] on this [43:56] critical [43:56] issue [43:57] we [43:58] stand [43:58] ready [43:58] to [43:58] support [43:59] this [43:59] esteemed [44:01] committee [44:01] in any [44:02] way [44:02] that we [44:02] can [44:02] thank you [44:03] and [44:03] good [44:03] morning [44:04] thank [44:05] you [44:05] Mr. [44:05] Estelier [44:05] could [44:06] we [44:07] hear [44:07] now [44:07] from [44:07] the [44:08] head [44:09] of [44:09] public [44:10] policy [44:10] of [44:12] TikTok [44:12] Philippines [44:13] attorney [44:13] Yves [44:14] Randolph [44:15] Gonzales [44:15] Madam Chair [44:17] good [44:17] morning [44:18] I'm [44:18] Yves [44:18] Gonzales [44:19] head [44:19] of [44:19] public [44:19] policy [44:20] for [44:20] TikTok [44:21] in the [44:21] Philippines [44:21] TikTok [44:23] stands [44:23] firmly [44:24] with [44:24] this [44:24] committee's [44:25] mission [44:25] to [44:25] safeguard [44:26] the [44:26] health [44:26] of [44:27] Filipino [44:27] consumers [44:28] especially [44:28] teens [44:29] and [44:29] we [44:30] prohibit [44:30] trading [44:31] marketing [44:32] and [44:32] providing [44:33] access [44:33] to [44:33] tobacco [44:34] products [44:34] including [44:35] vaping [44:36] products [44:36] and [44:37] other [44:37] electronic [44:37] nicotine [44:38] delivery [44:39] systems [44:39] on [44:40] TikTok [44:40] this [44:41] includes [44:41] posting [44:42] links [44:42] sharing [44:43] contact [44:44] or [44:44] location [44:44] information [44:45] or [44:46] directing [44:46] people [44:47] off [44:47] platform [44:48] to [44:48] ensure [44:49] an [44:49] age [44:49] appropriate [44:50] experience [44:50] we [44:51] also [44:51] do [44:51] not [44:52] allow [44:52] teens [44:52] on [44:53] TikTok [44:54] to [44:54] view [44:54] content [44:55] showing [44:55] the [44:55] consumption [44:56] of [44:56] these [44:56] products [44:57] we [44:59] use [44:59] a [44:59] combination [44:59] of [45:00] human [45:00] moderation [45:00] technology [45:01] and [45:01] community [45:02] reports [45:02] to [45:03] remove [45:03] content [45:04] that [45:04] violate [45:04] our [45:04] policies [45:05] in [45:06] the [45:06] Philippines [45:06] from [45:07] October [45:07] to [45:07] December [45:08] 2025 [45:08] we [45:09] proactively [45:10] removed [45:10] 99.6 [45:12] percent [45:12] of [45:13] videos [45:13] violating [45:14] our [45:14] alcohol [45:15] tobacco [45:15] and [45:16] drugs [45:16] policies [45:16] we [45:18] continue [45:18] to [45:18] optimize [45:19] our [45:19] moderation [45:19] capabilities [45:20] and [45:21] refine [45:21] our [45:21] processes [45:22] to [45:22] stay [45:22] ahead [45:23] of [45:23] bad [45:23] actors [45:23] prevent [45:24] circumvention [45:25] and to [45:26] identify [45:26] and take [45:27] down [45:27] violative [45:28] content [45:28] we [45:29] also [45:29] actively [45:30] work [45:30] with [45:31] the [45:31] relevant [45:31] authorities [45:31] to [45:32] ensure [45:32] a safe [45:33] and secure [45:34] platform [45:34] for our [45:34] Filipino [45:35] community [45:35] we [45:36] thank [45:36] you [45:36] once [45:36] again [45:36] for [45:37] the [45:37] opportunity [45:37] to be [45:38] here [45:38] today [45:38] and [45:38] we [45:38] look [45:38] forward [45:39] to [45:39] a [45:39] meaningful [45:39] discussion [45:40] thank [45:40] you [45:40] thank [45:41] you [45:41] mr. [45:42] gonzalez [45:42] next [45:44] let's [45:45] hear [45:45] from [45:46] the [45:47] public [45:47] policy [45:48] manager [45:49] of [45:50] tiktok [45:54] shop [45:59] mr. [46:00] mike [46:00] mendoza [46:01] morning [46:03] good [46:04] morning [46:05] if i [46:06] may read [46:07] a brief [46:08] statement [46:08] as [46:08] with my [46:09] colleague [46:10] so [46:10] good [46:10] morning [46:11] committee [46:11] chair [46:11] and [46:12] distinguished [46:12] members [46:13] of the [46:14] committees [46:14] on [46:14] health [46:15] and [46:15] demography [46:15] and [46:16] trade [46:16] commerce [46:17] and [46:17] entrepreneurship [46:18] and [46:18] basic [46:18] education [46:19] i am [46:20] mike [46:20] mendoza [46:21] from [46:21] tiktok [46:22] shops [46:22] public [46:22] policy [46:23] team [46:23] tiktok [46:25] shop [46:25] stands [46:26] firmly [46:26] with [46:26] this [46:26] committee's [46:27] mission [46:27] to [46:28] safeguard [46:28] the [46:28] health [46:29] of [46:29] Filipino [46:29] consumers [46:30] we [46:31] maintain [46:31] a range [46:32] of [46:32] policies [46:32] and [46:32] line [46:33] Philippine [46:33] laws [46:33] and [46:34] regulations [46:34] that [46:35] apply [46:35] to [46:35] all [46:35] sellers [46:36] and [46:36] their [46:36] products [46:37] first [46:38] all [46:38] sellers [46:39] go [46:39] through [46:39] a [46:39] rigorous [46:40] onboarding [46:40] process [46:41] and [46:41] must [46:42] submit [46:42] required [46:42] business [46:43] documents [46:43] and [46:43] certificates [46:45] sell [46:45] on [46:45] tiktok [46:46] shop [46:46] second [46:47] we [46:48] use [46:48] a [46:48] combination [46:48] of [46:49] technology [46:49] human [46:50] moderation [46:51] and [46:51] reports [46:52] to [46:52] remove [46:52] violative [46:53] products [46:54] and [46:54] continuously [46:55] evolve [46:55] our [46:56] approach [46:56] to [46:56] keep [46:56] unsafe [46:57] products [46:57] and [46:58] bad [46:58] actors [46:58] off [46:59] of [46:59] our [46:59] platform [47:00] third [47:01] we [47:01] rigorously [47:02] enforce [47:03] measures [47:03] against [47:03] the [47:04] sale [47:04] of [47:04] illegal [47:04] and [47:05] unsafe [47:05] items [47:06] tiktok [47:07] shops [47:07] policies [47:08] expressly [47:08] prohibit [47:09] the sale [47:10] of [47:10] vaping [47:10] products [47:11] on [47:11] our [47:11] platform [47:11] we [47:12] believe [47:13] that [47:13] protecting [47:13] the [47:14] health [47:14] and [47:14] safety [47:14] of [47:15] Filipino [47:15] public [47:16] is a [47:16] shared [47:16] responsibility [47:17] and [47:18] we [47:19] are [47:19] in [47:19] full [47:19] support [47:19] of [47:20] the [47:20] move [47:20] to [47:20] strictly [47:20] regulate [47:21] or [47:21] ban [47:21] the [47:22] online [47:22] sale [47:22] of [47:22] vapes [47:23] through [47:24] our [47:24] continued [47:24] collaboration [47:25] with this [47:25] body [47:26] and [47:26] our [47:26] partners [47:26] in the [47:27] government [47:27] we can [47:28] ensure [47:28] a safe [47:29] compliant [47:29] and [47:30] thriving [47:30] digital [47:31] ecosystem [47:31] for all [47:32] Philippines [47:32] thank you [47:34] once again [47:34] for having [47:35] us today [47:35] and we [47:36] look forward [47:36] to a [47:37] meaningful [47:37] discussion [47:37] ahead [47:38] thank you [47:41] also [47:41] Mr. [47:42] Mendoza [47:42] and [47:42] also [47:43] for [47:44] the [47:44] reiteration [47:45] of the [47:46] support [47:46] on the [47:46] ban [47:47] on the [47:47] online [47:48] selling [47:48] of [47:48] vapes [47:49] could [47:50] we [47:50] hear [47:50] now [47:50] from [47:51] the [47:52] head [47:52] of [47:52] public [47:52] policy [47:53] of [47:53] Facebook [47:54] Philippines [47:54] Tony Gio [47:55] Tingson [47:56] Honorable [47:59] Chairperson [48:00] and [48:00] to the [48:01] distinguished [48:01] members [48:02] of the [48:02] committee [48:02] thank you [48:03] for the [48:04] opportunity [48:04] to speak [48:05] today [48:05] I'll [48:05] briefly [48:06] read [48:06] our [48:06] statement [48:06] this [48:08] is [48:08] just [48:08] a [48:08] minute [48:09] so [48:09] Meta [48:09] shares [48:10] the [48:10] committee's [48:10] commitment [48:11] to [48:11] protecting [48:11] Filipino [48:12] youth [48:12] from [48:12] the [48:13] harms [48:13] of [48:13] vaping [48:13] for [48:14] our [48:14] part [48:15] Meta [48:15] does [48:16] not [48:16] allow [48:16] the [48:16] sale [48:17] of [48:17] vape [48:17] tabako [48:18] nicotine [48:18] products [48:19] on [48:19] any [48:20] of [48:20] our [48:20] platforms [48:20] this [48:21] is [48:21] our [48:22] global [48:23] policy [48:23] it's [48:24] enforced [48:24] across [48:25] Facebook [48:25] Instagram [48:26] and [48:26] marketplace [48:27] here [48:27] in [48:27] the [48:27] Philippines [48:28] we [48:29] also [48:29] prohibit [48:30] all [48:30] advertising [48:31] that [48:31] promotes [48:32] the [48:32] use [48:32] or [48:32] sale [48:33] of [48:33] vape [48:33] and [48:33] tobacco [48:34] products [48:34] and [48:34] we [48:35] restrict [48:35] the [48:35] visibility [48:36] of [48:36] tobacco [48:36] related [48:37] content [48:37] to [48:38] adults [48:38] only [48:38] these [48:39] policies [48:40] are [48:40] also [48:41] seen [48:41] with [48:41] action [48:42] we [48:42] have [48:42] blocked [48:43] searches [48:43] of [48:43] vape [48:44] related [48:44] keywords [48:44] and [48:45] brands [48:45] on [48:46] marketplace [48:46] to [48:47] the [48:47] hundreds [48:47] of [48:48] millions [48:48] and [48:49] we [48:49] have [48:49] removed [48:49] vape [48:50] listings [48:50] from [48:50] marketplace [48:51] removed [48:51] pieces [48:52] of [48:52] vape [48:52] content [48:53] on [48:53] Facebook [48:53] and [48:54] taken [48:54] down [48:54] Facebook [48:55] groups [48:55] involved [48:56] in [48:56] the [48:56] sale [48:57] of [48:58] vape [48:58] our [48:59] automated [48:59] systems [49:00] continue [49:00] to [49:01] remove [49:01] violating [49:01] marketplace [49:02] listings [49:03] every [49:03] week [49:04] by the [49:04] thousands [49:05] and [49:05] pieces [49:06] of [49:06] content [49:06] every [49:07] day [49:07] we [49:08] also [49:08] work [49:09] directly [49:09] with [49:09] the [49:10] department [49:10] of [49:10] trade [49:10] and [49:11] industry [49:11] through [49:11] our [49:11] consumer [49:12] policy [49:12] channel [49:13] which [49:13] was [49:13] established [49:14] in [49:14] 2022 [49:15] to [49:15] receive [49:16] reports [49:16] investigate [49:17] violations [49:17] and [49:18] improve [49:19] our [49:19] detection [49:19] systems [49:20] Meta [49:21] is a [49:21] willing [49:21] partner [49:22] in this [49:22] effort [49:22] and we [49:23] welcome [49:23] the [49:23] collaboration [49:24] happy [49:24] to be [49:25] in this [49:25] committee [49:25] thank [49:25] you [49:26] madam [49:26] chair [49:26] thank [49:27] you [49:27] to [49:27] attorney [49:27] tingson [49:28] dako [49:30] naman [49:30] tayo [49:30] sa ating [49:31] mga [49:31] enforcement [49:31] agencies [49:32] may ilan [49:33] na hindi [49:33] pa [49:34] nakapagsalita [49:35] nung [49:35] nakaraang [49:36] hearing [49:36] and then [49:37] babalikan [49:37] natin [49:38] si [49:38] dr. [49:38] selia [49:39] floor [49:39] so [49:40] chief [49:41] ng [49:41] crack [49:42] ng [49:43] DIDM [49:44] ng [49:44] philippine [49:45] national [49:46] police [49:46] si [49:47] police [49:47] colonel [49:48] pablito [49:48] asmo [49:49] jr. [49:54] good [49:55] morning [49:55] madam [49:56] chair [49:56] and [49:57] all [49:57] the [49:57] attendies [49:58] to the [50:00] honorable [50:01] members [50:01] of [50:02] the [50:04] chair [50:04] of [50:05] the [50:05] committee [50:05] on [50:05] health [50:05] and [50:06] demography [50:07] particularly [50:09] our [50:10] esteemed [50:10] chair [50:10] person [50:11] honorable [50:11] senator [50:12] rizan [50:13] tibiros [50:13] ma'am [50:14] and [50:15] all [50:15] the [50:15] distinguished [50:15] attendies [50:16] present in [50:16] this [50:17] public [50:17] good [50:17] morning [50:18] colonel [50:20] sorry [50:20] to [50:20] interrupt [50:21] sir [50:21] baka po [50:22] dun sa [50:22] presentation [50:23] nyo [50:23] pati [50:23] presentation [50:24] ng iba [50:24] pang [50:25] law [50:25] enforcement [50:26] agencies [50:26] natatawagin [50:27] baka [50:28] gusto [50:28] nyo [50:28] pong [50:29] mag [50:29] focus [50:29] sa [50:30] position [50:30] nyo [50:30] o [50:30] statement [50:31] nyo [50:31] dun sa [50:32] ilang [50:33] mga [50:33] nakaraang [50:34] allegasyon [50:34] na [50:35] hindi [50:35] po [50:36] nagtatagumpay [50:36] sa [50:37] enforcement [50:37] yung [50:38] mga [50:38] law [50:38] enforcement [50:39] agencies [50:40] natin [50:40] at [50:41] kung [50:41] pwede [50:41] magbahagi [50:42] kaya [50:42] ano [50:42] yung [50:42] mga [50:43] hamon [50:43] sa [50:44] enforcement [50:44] efforts [50:45] ng [50:45] national [50:46] police [50:46] at [50:46] ano [50:47] yung [50:47] mga [50:47] rekomendasyon [50:48] din po [50:48] ninyo [50:49] please [50:49] proceed [50:49] colonel [50:51] yes [50:51] madam [50:52] chair [50:52] so [50:53] with [50:54] the [50:54] tasks [50:56] of [50:56] the [50:57] PNP [50:57] especially [50:58] on [50:58] the [50:58] investigation [50:59] of [50:59] this [51:00] enforcement [51:04] of [51:04] the [51:04] RA [51:06] 11 [51:07] 900 [51:07] so [51:09] we [51:09] are [51:09] the [51:10] part [51:11] of [51:11] the [51:12] or [51:13] we [51:14] have [51:14] the [51:14] we [51:16] have [51:16] formed [51:17] the [51:17] special [51:19] task [51:20] force [51:20] on [51:22] this [51:22] matter [51:22] that [51:23] deals [51:23] with [51:23] the [51:24] enforcement [51:24] of [51:24] this [51:25] laws [51:28] with [51:28] the [51:29] coordination [51:31] and [51:33] collaboration [51:33] with [51:34] the [51:35] lead [51:35] agencies [51:37] to [51:39] include [51:39] the [51:40] Bureau [51:40] of [51:40] Customs [51:42] the [51:43] FDA [51:44] and [51:44] the [51:45] others [51:45] madam [51:45] chair [51:45] and [51:46] for [51:46] this [51:47] matter [51:47] we [51:47] have [51:48] some [51:50] challenges [51:51] that [51:51] we [51:53] are [51:53] facing [51:54] on [51:55] the [51:55] law [51:55] enforcement [51:55] especially [51:56] on [51:56] the [51:57] close [51:58] coordination [51:58] with [51:59] this [52:00] agency [52:01] that [52:01] sometimes [52:02] leads [52:02] to [52:03] the [52:03] dismissal [52:05] of [52:05] these [52:05] cases [52:06] and [52:06] with [52:07] this [52:07] we [52:08] could [52:08] recommend [52:10] also [52:10] that [52:11] for [52:14] the [52:14] technical [52:14] working [52:15] group [52:15] also [52:15] to [52:17] prioritize [52:19] the [52:20] formulation [52:24] or [52:24] the [52:25] formation [52:26] of [52:26] these [52:28] agencies [52:28] with [52:29] the [52:29] law [52:29] enforcement [52:29] to [52:30] have [52:30] a [52:31] coordination [52:32] in [52:33] the [52:33] enforcement [52:34] of [52:34] the [52:35] specific [52:37] laws [52:37] madam [52:37] chair [52:38] thank [52:39] you [52:39] thank [52:41] you [52:41] colonel [52:42] Asmod [52:42] sunod [52:44] mula [52:45] sa [52:45] national [52:46] bureau [52:46] of [52:46] investigation [52:47] attorney [52:48] al [52:48] anthony [52:49] joa [52:49] good [52:50] morning [52:50] madam [52:51] chair [52:51] my [52:52] name [52:52] i am [52:52] attorney [52:54] doctor [52:54] al [52:54] anthony [52:54] joa [52:55] chief [52:56] of [52:56] the [52:56] medical [52:56] legal [52:57] division [52:57] of [52:57] the [52:57] national [52:58] bureau [52:58] of [52:58] investigation [52:59] we [53:01] have [53:01] seen [53:01] some [53:02] scholarly [53:02] articles [53:03] that [53:03] have [53:04] indicated [53:06] that [53:06] they [53:06] have [53:07] outlined [53:08] the [53:08] presence [53:09] of [53:09] e-cigarette [53:10] or [53:11] vape [53:11] related [53:11] acute [53:12] lung [53:12] injuries [53:13] fortunately [53:15] although [53:16] it is [53:16] not [53:16] reflective [53:17] of [53:17] the [53:17] entire [53:18] situation [53:20] in the [53:20] Philippines [53:20] we [53:21] have [53:21] not [53:21] seen [53:22] fatalities [53:22] in [53:23] the [53:23] jurisdiction [53:24] of [53:24] the [53:24] medical [53:25] legal [53:25] division [53:25] however [53:27] we [53:28] fully [53:29] support [53:29] measures [53:30] aimed [53:30] at [53:31] protecting [53:31] our [53:32] children [53:32] and [53:33] the [53:33] Filipino [53:33] people [53:34] so [53:34] in [53:34] disregard [53:35] the [53:36] NBI [53:36] remains [53:37] committed [53:37] to [53:38] aligning [53:39] our [53:39] operations [53:40] and [53:40] with [53:41] the [53:41] bills [53:44] we [53:45] support [53:45] the [53:45] bills [53:46] and [53:46] that [53:46] we [53:46] will [53:47] work [53:47] diligently [53:47] to [53:48] contribute [53:48] to [53:48] a [53:48] safer [53:49] and [53:49] healthier [53:49] society [53:50] Madam Chair [53:51] we will [53:51] be [53:51] submitting [53:52] our [53:52] position [53:52] paper [53:53] Thank you [53:55] Attorney [53:56] Dr. [53:57] Chua [53:57] Now [54:06] let's [54:06] look at [54:07] from [54:08] PIDEA [54:09] Attorney [54:10] Jacqueline [54:10] De [54:10] Guzman [54:11] and [54:11] Attorney [54:12] please [54:12] sa [54:12] pagsasalita [54:14] nyo [54:15] kung [54:15] may comment [54:17] po [54:18] particular [54:18] dun [54:19] sa [54:19] Senate [54:19] Bill [54:19] Number [54:20] 1918 [54:21] kaugnay [54:22] po [54:22] nung [54:23] vapor [54:23] product [54:24] containing [54:24] hexahydro [54:26] cannabinol [54:27] pati [54:28] po [54:28] yung [54:28] proliferation [54:29] ng [54:29] mga [54:30] K-pods [54:30] na [54:32] nandun [54:33] particular [54:34] nga [54:34] sa [54:35] panukala [54:35] ni [54:36] Senator [54:36] Robin [54:37] Please [54:38] proceed [54:38] Attorney [54:39] Thank [54:40] you [54:40] Honorable [54:41] Chair [54:41] At [54:42] the [54:42] outset [54:42] PIDEA [54:43] supports [54:44] the [54:44] proposed [54:44] measures [54:45] the [54:45] agency [54:46] recognizes [54:46] that [54:47] these [54:47] measures [54:47] aim [54:48] to [54:48] strengthen [54:48] the [54:49] regulation [54:50] of [54:50] these [54:50] products [54:51] particularly [54:51] to [54:52] protect [54:52] public [54:52] health [54:53] ensure [54:53] proper [54:54] control [54:54] of [54:54] their [54:54] sale [54:55] and [54:55] distribution [54:55] and [54:56] prevent [54:57] access [54:57] by [54:57] minors [54:58] PIDEA [54:59] however [55:00] affirms [55:00] that [55:00] its [55:01] authority [55:01] is [55:02] defined [55:02] under [55:02] RA [55:03] 9165 [55:04] or the [55:04] Comprehensive [55:05] Dangerous [55:05] Drugs [55:05] Act [55:06] of [55:06] 2002 [55:07] and [55:07] not [55:08] under [55:08] RA [55:09] 11900 [55:10] Under [55:10] this [55:11] law [55:11] under [55:12] RA [55:12] 9165 [55:13] PIDEA [55:14] is [55:14] responsible [55:14] for [55:15] enforcing [55:15] laws [55:16] on [55:16] dangerous [55:16] drugs [55:17] and [55:18] controlled [55:18] precursors [55:19] and [55:19] essential [55:19] chemicals [55:20] In [55:21] this [55:21] regard [55:22] PIDEA's [55:22] role [55:23] in [55:23] this [55:23] matter [55:23] is [55:24] limited [55:24] to [55:24] ensuring [55:25] that [55:26] the [55:26] proposed [55:26] measures [55:27] remain [55:27] consistent [55:28] with [55:28] existing [55:29] drug [55:29] laws [55:29] and [55:30] do [55:30] not [55:30] create [55:30] issues [55:31] and [55:32] enforcement [55:32] PIDEA [55:34] notes [55:34] that [55:35] the [55:35] proposed [55:35] measures [55:36] including [55:36] the [55:36] amendment [55:37] to [55:37] RA [55:38] 11900 [55:39] seek [55:39] to [55:39] improve [55:40] the [55:40] current [55:41] PIDEA [55:42] supports [55:43] the [55:43] establishment [55:44] of a [55:44] clear [55:45] and [55:45] workable [55:46] system [55:46] that [55:47] can [55:47] be [55:47] properly [55:47] implemented [55:48] by [55:49] responsible [55:49] agencies [55:50] PIDEA [55:52] PIDEA [55:52] emphasizes [55:52] that [55:53] the [55:53] law [55:53] must [55:53] clearly [55:53] define [55:54] the [55:55] role [55:55] of [55:55] government [55:56] agencies [55:56] the [55:57] regulation [55:57] of [55:57] vaporized [55:58] nicotine [55:59] and [55:59] non-nicotine [55:59] products [56:00] belong [56:01] to the [56:01] appropriate [56:01] regulatory [56:03] agencies [56:03] such as [56:04] DOH [56:04] and DTI [56:05] and the [56:06] proposed [56:07] measure [56:07] should [56:08] not [56:08] expand [56:08] or [56:09] change [56:09] the [56:10] mandate [56:10] of [56:10] PIDEA [56:11] beyond [56:12] what [56:12] is [56:12] provided [56:12] under [56:13] RA [56:13] 9165 [56:15] As [56:16] to [56:17] the [56:17] proposed [56:17] measure [56:18] of [56:18] SB [56:20] number [56:21] 1918 [56:21] note [56:23] Honorable [56:24] Chair [56:24] that [56:25] we [56:25] have [56:25] not [56:25] encountered [56:26] the [56:27] presence [56:28] of [56:28] HHC [56:29] in [56:30] confiscated [56:31] vape [56:32] cartridges [56:34] and [56:34] vape [56:34] pens [56:35] but [56:35] we [56:35] have [56:36] however [56:36] confiscated [56:38] a [56:39] considerable [56:40] number [56:40] of [56:41] vape [56:41] products [56:42] that [56:42] contain [56:42] THC [56:43] the [56:44] main [56:44] ingredient [56:45] of [56:45] marijuana [56:46] again [56:47] we [56:48] reiterate [56:50] our [56:50] support [56:51] for [56:51] the [56:51] proposed [56:51] measures [56:52] provided [56:53] that [56:54] they [56:54] remain [56:55] consistent [56:55] with [56:56] RA [56:56] 9165 [56:57] that [56:58] the [56:58] roles [56:58] of [56:58] agencies [56:59] are [56:59] clearly [56:59] defined [57:00] and [57:01] the [57:01] implementation [57:02] follows [57:03] existing [57:03] laws [57:03] and [57:03] procedures [57:04] PIDEA [57:05] remains [57:05] ready [57:06] to [57:06] coordinate [57:06] with [57:07] all [57:07] concerned [57:07] agencies [57:08] to [57:09] support [57:09] lawful [57:10] and [57:10] effective [57:10] implementation [57:11] and [57:11] we [57:11] thank [57:12] the [57:12] committee [57:12] for [57:13] the [57:13] opportunity [57:14] to [57:14] participate [57:14] in [57:15] the [57:15] deliberations [57:16] and [57:16] to [57:16] present [57:17] their [57:17] position [57:17] and [57:18] this [57:18] important [57:18] measure [57:19] thank [57:19] you [57:19] honorable [57:19] chef [57:20] thank [57:20] you [57:21] to [57:21] attorney [57:21] jacqueline [57:22] and [57:23] now [57:23] let's [57:24] of course [57:30] so [57:32] ngayon [57:32] mula [57:32] sa [57:33] bureau [57:33] of [57:33] customs [57:34] attorney [57:35] allen [57:35] de la [57:35] cruz [57:36] good [57:42] morning [57:42] honorable [57:43] madam [57:44] chair [57:44] as [57:47] to [57:47] our [57:47] efforts [57:48] our [57:48] agency [57:49] bureau [57:50] of [57:50] customs [57:50] madam [57:51] care [57:51] it [57:53] would [57:53] reflect [57:54] that [57:54] to [57:55] combat [57:55] the [57:55] proliferation [57:56] of [57:56] unregistered [57:57] vape [57:58] products [57:58] an [57:59] effective [57:59] tool [58:00] is [58:00] being [58:01] implemented [58:01] by our [58:02] agency [58:02] which is [58:03] particularly [58:03] the issuance [58:05] of the [58:06] letters of [58:07] authority [58:07] by our [58:08] commissioner [58:08] meaning [58:09] apprehension [58:10] of [58:10] unregistered [58:11] vape [58:11] products [58:12] outside [58:12] customs [58:13] area [58:14] or outside [58:14] customs [58:15] jurisdiction [58:15] as [58:17] based on [58:18] the data [58:19] madam [58:19] chair [58:19] covering [58:21] the [58:21] period [58:22] of [58:22] for the [58:22] current [58:23] year [58:23] backward [58:24] up to [58:25] 2023 [58:26] the [58:27] estimated [58:28] value [58:29] apprehended [58:29] outside [58:30] custom [58:31] area [58:32] utilizing [58:33] the [58:33] letter [58:34] of [58:34] authority [58:34] issued [58:35] by our [58:35] commissioner [58:36] amounts [58:37] to [58:37] 5.3 [58:39] billion [58:39] pesos [58:40] madam [58:40] chair [58:41] these [58:41] are [58:41] apprehensions [58:42] outside [58:43] customs [58:44] area [58:44] mostly [58:47] unregistered [58:49] vape [58:49] products [58:49] in addition [58:51] to this [58:52] enforcement [58:53] effort [58:56] by our [58:56] agency [58:57] madam [58:57] chair [58:58] as [58:59] regards [58:59] apprehension [59:01] inside [59:01] the [59:02] port [59:03] area [59:03] meaning [59:03] port [59:04] apprehensions [59:05] initiated [59:06] within [59:06] the [59:06] customs [59:07] jurisdiction [59:07] for [59:09] the [59:09] same [59:10] period [59:10] madam [59:11] chair [59:11] 2023 [59:11] up to [59:12] present [59:12] there [59:13] is [59:13] a [59:14] total [59:14] of [59:14] 85 [59:15] enforcement [59:16] action [59:16] and [59:17] the [59:18] value [59:18] as [59:19] computed [59:19] by [59:19] the [59:20] concerned [59:20] examiners [59:21] within [59:21] the [59:21] port [59:21] amounted [59:22] to [59:22] 1.7 [59:24] billion [59:25] pesos [59:25] all in [59:26] all [59:26] madam [59:26] chair [59:27] from [59:28] 2023 [59:28] up to [59:29] the [59:29] current [59:29] year [59:30] our [59:31] agency [59:32] has [59:33] apprehended [59:34] unregistered [59:36] undeclared [59:36] misdeclared [59:37] vape [59:37] products [59:38] totaling [59:40] to [59:40] 104 [59:41] enforcement [59:42] action [59:43] with [59:44] an [59:44] equivalent [59:44] value [59:45] of [59:45] 7 [59:46] billion [59:46] 75 [59:48] million [59:48] 464 [59:50] thousand [59:51] 455 [59:52] pesos [59:52] madam [59:53] chair [59:53] thank [59:54] you [59:54] po [59:54] thank [59:56] you [59:56] rin [59:56] po [59:56] attorney [59:57] de la [59:58] cruz [59:58] now [59:59] balikan [59:59] po [1:00:00] natin [1:00:00] si [1:00:01] attorney [1:00:01] celia [1:00:02] flor [1:00:02] brillantes [1:00:03] i mean [1:00:04] doctor [1:00:04] doctor [1:00:05] celia [1:00:06] flor [1:00:06] thank [1:00:08] you [1:00:09] madam [1:00:09] chair [1:00:10] yes [1:00:10] doctor [1:00:10] magandang [1:00:13] umaga [1:00:13] pong [1:00:13] muli [1:00:14] i [1:00:14] really [1:00:15] apologize [1:00:15] for [1:00:16] cutting [1:00:17] off [1:00:17] your [1:00:18] presentation [1:00:18] earlier [1:00:19] hindi [1:00:19] po tayo [1:00:20] nagkakarinigan [1:00:21] yes [1:00:21] ma'am [1:00:24] so doctor [1:00:24] please proceed [1:00:25] with your [1:00:25] presentation [1:00:26] kung maari [1:00:27] po [1:00:27] maikli [1:00:28] lamang [1:00:28] dahil [1:00:29] initial [1:00:29] presentation [1:00:30] po [1:00:30] ninyo [1:00:31] ito [1:00:31] and [1:00:32] the [1:00:32] committee [1:00:32] will [1:00:33] appreciate [1:00:33] more [1:00:34] detailed [1:00:35] of your [1:00:35] inputs [1:00:35] sa [1:00:36] pagpapatuloy [1:00:37] po [1:00:37] ng [1:00:37] hearing [1:00:37] so [1:00:38] please [1:00:38] continue [1:00:39] doctor [1:00:39] yes [1:00:39] madam [1:00:40] chair [1:00:40] we have [1:00:40] five [1:00:41] recommendations [1:00:42] actually [1:00:43] we have [1:00:43] ten [1:00:44] slides [1:00:44] but [1:00:45] i [1:00:45] would [1:00:45] like [1:00:45] to [1:00:45] go [1:00:46] straight [1:00:46] to [1:00:46] 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[1:09:08] these [1:09:09] measures [1:09:09] and [1:09:09] I [1:09:10] will [1:09:10] just [1:09:10] mention [1:09:10] that [1:09:11] in [1:09:11] facing [1:09:12] one [1:09:12] is [1:09:12] the [1:09:12] side [1:09:13] protective [1:09:13] service [1:09:14] or [1:09:15] the [1:09:15] CPE [1:09:16] program [1:09:17] which [1:09:18] delivers [1:09:18] preventive [1:09:19] and [1:09:19] rehabilitative [1:09:20] service [1:09:21] to [1:09:21] children [1:09:21] who [1:09:21] are [1:09:22] victim [1:09:22] of [1:09:22] abuse [1:09:23] neglect [1:09:24] and [1:09:24] exploitation [1:09:25] including [1:09:26] immediate [1:09:26] intervention [1:09:27] to [1:09:28] early [1:09:28] recovery [1:09:29] and [1:09:30] family [1:09:30] reintegration [1:09:31] another [1:09:32] one [1:09:32] another [1:09:32] one [1:09:33] is [1:09:33] the [1:09:34] regional [1:09:35] rehabilitation [1:09:36] centers [1:09:37] for [1:09:37] youth [1:09:37] or [1:09:38] the [1:09:38] RRYC [1:09:39] the [1:09:40] RRYC [1:09:41] serve [1:09:42] children [1:09:43] in [1:09:43] conflict [1:09:43] with [1:09:44] the [1:09:44] law [1:09:45] through [1:09:45] a [1:09:46] multidisciplinary [1:09:47] model [1:09:47] that [1:09:48] includes [1:09:48] counseling [1:09:50] therapy [1:09:51] behavioral [1:09:52] modification [1:09:53] therapeutic [1:09:54] community [1:09:55] approaches [1:09:55] and [1:09:56] educational [1:09:56] services [1:09:57] number [1:09:59] three [1:09:59] is [1:10:00] the [1:10:00] parent [1:10:01] effectiveness [1:10:01] service [1:10:03] and [1:10:04] family [1:10:04] counseling [1:10:05] programs [1:10:06] the [1:10:07] DSWDP [1:10:08] and [1:10:08] family [1:10:09] counseling [1:10:09] program [1:10:10] can [1:10:10] support [1:10:11] the [1:10:11] parent [1:10:11] guardian [1:10:12] counseling [1:10:12] component [1:10:14] explicitly [1:10:15] is stated [1:10:15] in the [1:10:16] senate [1:10:16] bills [1:10:17] helping [1:10:18] families [1:10:18] recognize [1:10:19] and [1:10:19] respond [1:10:20] to [1:10:20] the [1:10:21] related [1:10:21] behaviors [1:10:22] in [1:10:23] children [1:10:23] and [1:10:24] adolescents [1:10:25] these [1:10:26] programs [1:10:27] can [1:10:27] address [1:10:28] some [1:10:28] of [1:10:28] the [1:10:29] issues [1:10:32] the [1:10:33] concern [1:10:34] of the [1:10:34] disability [1:10:34] that is [1:10:35] provided [1:10:35] for [1:10:36] in [1:10:36] the [1:10:36] proposed [1:10:37] bill [1:10:37] of [1:10:37] Senator [1:10:38] Pia [1:10:38] Faitano [1:10:39] we [1:10:40] will [1:10:40] submit [1:10:42] our [1:10:42] official [1:10:43] position [1:10:44] paper [1:10:44] Madam [1:10:44] Chair [1:10:45] and [1:10:46] thank you [1:10:46] very [1:10:47] much [1:10:47] thank you [1:10:49] very [1:10:49] much [1:10:49] also [1:10:49] Asek [1:10:50] Aziz [1:10:50] Alright [1:10:51] so [1:10:52] narinig [1:10:53] na po [1:10:54] natin [1:10:54] lahat [1:10:55] nung [1:10:55] hindi pa [1:10:56] nakapag [1:10:56] present [1:10:57] ng [1:10:57] positions [1:10:58] nung [1:10:59] nakaraang [1:10:59] hearing [1:11:00] so [1:11:00] let's [1:11:01] proceed [1:11:02] with [1:11:02] some [1:11:02] additional [1:11:03] questions [1:11:04] a few [1:11:06] questions [1:11:07] that go [1:11:07] to the [1:11:08] heart [1:11:08] of the [1:11:08] amendments [1:11:08] that we [1:11:09] are [1:11:09] proposing [1:11:10] so [1:11:11] tungkol [1:11:12] muna [1:11:12] sa [1:11:12] online [1:11:13] access [1:11:13] so [1:11:14] tanong [1:11:14] sa [1:11:15] DTI [1:11:15] sa [1:11:16] DICT [1:11:17] at [1:11:17] of course [1:11:18] sa mga [1:11:18] platforms [1:11:19] natin [1:11:19] so [1:11:21] DTI [1:11:21] muna [1:11:22] yes [1:11:25] ah [1:11:25] attorney [1:11:25] of course [1:11:26] Freddy [1:11:27] Swenda [1:11:27] so ma'am [1:11:28] kung isang [1:11:29] click [1:11:29] lang [1:11:29] IM18 [1:11:30] di umano [1:11:31] nakakabili [1:11:32] na yung [1:11:32] bata [1:11:33] gumagana [1:11:35] pa ba [1:11:36] talaga [1:11:36] ang safeguards [1:11:37] sa tingin [1:11:38] po [1:11:38] ng [1:11:39] department [1:11:39] currently [1:11:43] po [1:11:43] meron [1:11:44] kaming [1:11:44] in-establish [1:11:45] na [1:11:45] measures [1:11:46] na [1:11:47] pag [1:11:47] below [1:11:48] 18 [1:11:48] years [1:11:49] old [1:11:49] ang [1:11:49] consumer [1:11:50] hindi [1:11:51] po [1:11:51] siya [1:11:51] makaka [1:11:51] access [1:11:52] doon [1:11:52] sa [1:11:52] online [1:11:53] selling [1:11:54] doon [1:11:55] sa [1:11:55] platform [1:11:56] hindi [1:11:56] po [1:11:57] siya [1:11:57] makakabili [1:11:57] ang [1:12:00] problema [1:12:00] lang [1:12:01] po [1:12:01] ay [1:12:01] ina-assume [1:12:02] na [1:12:03] hindi [1:12:03] siya [1:12:03] below [1:12:04] 18 [1:12:04] pero [1:12:05] ang [1:12:08] pinoproblema [1:12:08] natin [1:12:09] ay baka [1:12:09] hindi [1:12:09] talaga [1:12:10] gumagana [1:12:10] yung [1:12:11] safeguards [1:12:11] na [1:12:12] matiyak [1:12:14] na [1:12:15] yung [1:12:15] IM18 [1:12:16] ay [1:12:17] factual [1:12:18] so [1:12:19] dagdag po [1:12:19] dun sa [1:12:20] kay [1:12:20] attorney [1:12:22] fredis [1:12:23] wenda [1:12:23] fredis [1:12:24] wenda [1:12:24] matanong [1:12:25] po [1:12:25] ang [1:12:26] DICT [1:12:27] kung [1:12:28] hindi [1:12:29] natin [1:12:29] makontrol [1:12:30] yung [1:12:30] online [1:12:31] access [1:12:31] dapat [1:12:33] na nga [1:12:34] ba [1:12:34] nating [1:12:34] iban [1:12:36] ang [1:12:36] online [1:12:37] sales [1:12:37] by law [1:12:40] lahat [1:12:40] ng [1:12:41] online [1:12:41] sales [1:12:41] at [1:12:42] ihold [1:12:43] yung [1:12:43] mga [1:12:43] platforms [1:12:43] na [1:12:44] accountable [1:12:45] so [1:12:46] colonel [1:12:46] araw-araw [1:12:47] good morning [1:12:49] madam chair [1:12:50] ang stand [1:12:51] po ng [1:12:52] DICT [1:12:52] madam chair [1:12:53] gusto po [1:12:54] natin [1:12:55] of course [1:12:56] i-promote [1:12:57] yung [1:12:57] innovation [1:12:58] sa ICT [1:12:58] natin [1:12:59] we can [1:13:00] always [1:13:01] mitigate [1:13:03] yung [1:13:03] risk [1:13:03] with the [1:13:04] help [1:13:04] ng [1:13:04] mga [1:13:04] platforms [1:13:05] natin [1:13:06] dun po [1:13:07] tayo [1:13:08] maglalaro [1:13:10] rather than [1:13:12] banning [1:13:13] everything [1:13:13] at [1:13:14] mawala [1:13:15] yung [1:13:15] industry [1:13:15] of course [1:13:16] I don't [1:13:17] know [1:13:17] what [1:13:17] will [1:13:18] happen [1:13:18] but [1:13:19] ang [1:13:20] standpoint [1:13:20] is [1:13:20] we [1:13:21] support [1:13:22] po [1:13:22] yung [1:13:22] mitigate [1:13:24] the [1:13:26] implementation [1:13:27] of [1:13:27] mitigating [1:13:28] measures [1:13:28] so that [1:13:30] we can [1:13:30] restrict [1:13:31] yung [1:13:31] access [1:13:32] ng [1:13:32] mga [1:13:32] minors [1:13:32] sa [1:13:33] mga [1:13:33] online [1:13:35] platforms [1:13:36] but [1:13:38] of course [1:13:38] gusto [1:13:40] natin [1:13:40] strictly [1:13:43] implemented [1:13:43] through the 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held [1:14:13] accountable [1:14:13] and [1:14:14] can [1:14:14] you [1:14:14] point [1:14:15] to [1:14:15] any [1:14:16] mechanisms [1:14:17] today [1:14:18] that [1:14:18] actually [1:14:19] prevent [1:14:19] minors [1:14:20] at [1:14:21] na-identify [1:14:22] minors [1:14:23] sila [1:14:23] from [1:14:24] purchasing [1:14:25] online [1:14:25] who [1:14:26] would [1:14:26] like [1:14:26] to [1:14:26] take [1:14:27] first [1:14:27] crack [1:14:27] at [1:14:27] this [1:14:28] question [1:14:28] so [1:14:31] would [1:14:32] it [1:14:32] be [1:14:32] madam [1:14:33] chair [1:14:34] TikTok [1:14:35] shop [1:14:35] yes [1:14:36] all right [1:14:36] Mr. Mendoza [1:14:37] so [1:14:37] thank you [1:14:38] for that [1:14:38] question [1:14:39] and just [1:14:39] wanted [1:14:40] to [1:14:40] reiterate [1:14:40] our [1:14:41] points [1:14:41] a while [1:14:42] ago [1:14:42] that [1:14:42] in [1:14:42] TikTok [1:14:42] shop [1:14:43] we [1:14:43] do [1:14:43] not [1:14:43] allow [1:14:44] the [1:14:44] sale [1:14:44] of [1:14:45] e-cigarette [1:14:45] tobaccos [1:14:46] vape [1:14:46] products [1:14:47] for [1:14:48] us [1:14:48] we [1:14:48] don't [1:14:49] need [1:14:49] to [1:14:49] have [1:14:50] this [1:14:50] verification [1:14:50] and [1:14:51] in [1:14:51] fact [1:14:51] we [1:14:51] don't [1:14:52] have [1:14:52] it [1:14:52] yet [1:14:52] and [1:14:53] reason [1:14:53] for [1:14:53] which [1:14:53] is [1:14:54] because [1:14:54] these [1:14:54] type [1:14:54] of [1:14:55] regulated [1:14:55] products [1:14:56] we [1:14:56] don't [1:14:56] allow [1:14:57] as [1:14:58] an [1:14:58] internal [1:14:58] policy [1:14:59] so [1:15:00] from [1:15:01] our [1:15:01] side [1:15:02] we [1:15:02] also [1:15:02] have [1:15:02] in [1:15:02] our [1:15:03] terms [1:15:03] and [1:15:03] conditions [1:15:03] that [1:15:04] we [1:15:05] only [1:15:05] allow [1:15:06] consumers [1:15:07] who [1:15:08] are [1:15:08] above [1:15:08] the [1:15:08] 18 [1:15:09] years [1:15:09] of [1:15:09] age [1:15:10] and [1:15:10] beyond [1:15:10] so [1:15:11] from [1:15:12] our [1:15:13] side [1:15:13] it's [1:15:13] pretty [1:15:13] clear [1:15:14] cut [1:15:14] that [1:15:14] we [1:15:14] are [1:15:15] with [1:15:16] you [1:15:17] and [1:15:17] supporting [1:15:17] and [1:15:18] also [1:15:18] we [1:15:20] best [1:15:20] as [1:15:20] we [1:15:21] can [1:15:21] to [1:15:21] our [1:15:22] algorithms [1:15:23] human [1:15:23] moderation [1:15:24] even [1:15:24] reports [1:15:25] working [1:15:26] closely [1:15:26] with [1:15:26] the [1:15:26] DTI [1:15:27] FTA [1:15:27] but [1:15:29] in [1:15:29] the [1:15:29] experience [1:15:30] of [1:15:30] TikTok [1:15:30] shop [1:15:31] when [1:15:31] someone [1:15:32] online [1:15:32] clicks [1:15:33] I am [1:15:33] 18 [1:15:34] to [1:15:35] what [1:15:35] percentage [1:15:36] are you [1:15:36] sure [1:15:36] that [1:15:36] 18 [1:15:37] is [1:15:37] not [1:15:38] a [1:15:38] minor [1:15:38] de [1:15:38] edad [1:15:39] in [1:15:39] general [1:15:39] generally [1:15:42] Madam [1:15:43] Chair [1:15:43] when [1:15:44] you [1:15:45] sign [1:15:45] up [1:15:45] as [1:15:46] a [1:15:47] TikTok [1:15:47] shop [1:15:47] with [1:15:48] a [1:15:48] TikTok [1:15:49] shop [1:15:49] account [1:15:49] you [1:15:49] are [1:15:50] asked [1:15:50] if [1:15:50] you [1:15:51] are [1:15:51] 18 [1:15:51] and [1:15:52] above [1:15:52] and [1:15:52] I [1:15:54] think [1:15:54] from [1:15:54] our [1:15:54] side [1:15:54] where [1:15:55] we [1:15:55] see [1:15:56] our [1:15:56] safety [1:15:57] mechanisms [1:15:57] working [1:15:58] is [1:15:58] we [1:15:59] make [1:15:59] sure [1:15:59] that [1:15:59] we [1:16:00] don't [1:16:00] have [1:16:00] any [1:16:00] regulated [1:16:04] products [1:16:05] that [1:16:05] any [1:16:06] of those [1:16:06] 18 [1:16:07] or [1:16:07] below [1:16:07] cannot [1:16:08] purchase [1:16:09] so [1:16:09] from [1:16:09] our [1:16:10] side [1:16:10] we [1:16:10] don't [1:16:10] really [1:16:11] need [1:16:11] for [1:16:12] now [1:16:12] any [1:16:13] mechanism [1:16:14] to [1:16:14] make [1:16:14] sure [1:16:15] that [1:16:15] these [1:16:15] are [1:16:15] 18 [1:16:16] and [1:16:16] above [1:16:16] and [1:16:16] in [1:16:16] fact [1:16:17] it's [1:16:17] a [1:16:17] difficult [1:16:18] thing [1:16:18] to [1:16:18] also [1:16:19] validate [1:16:20] which [1:16:21] I'm [1:16:21] sure [1:16:21] your [1:16:21] office [1:16:22] and [1:16:22] all [1:16:22] of [1:16:22] the [1:16:23] resource [1:16:23] persons [1:16:24] here [1:16:24] also [1:16:25] seeing [1:16:26] as [1:16:27] well [1:16:27] who [1:16:30] here [1:16:30] which [1:16:31] of [1:16:31] the [1:16:31] platforms [1:16:32] here [1:16:32] have [1:16:33] that [1:16:33] age [1:16:34] verification [1:16:34] question [1:16:35] or [1:16:36] confirmation [1:16:37] phrase [1:16:37] na [1:16:38] I [1:16:38] am [1:16:38] 18 [1:16:39] para [1:16:40] sa [1:16:40] mga [1:16:40] online [1:16:40] sales [1:16:41] I [1:16:41] see [1:16:41] attorney [1:16:43] Jamie [1:16:43] opening [1:16:45] your [1:16:45] mic [1:16:45] yes [1:16:46] ma'am [1:16:46] thank [1:16:46] you [1:16:46] honorable [1:16:47] chair [1:16:47] for [1:16:48] shopee [1:16:49] we [1:16:49] have [1:16:50] very [1:16:50] stringent [1:16:51] age [1:16:51] restriction [1:16:52] age [1:16:53] verification [1:16:54] requirements [1:16:55] so [1:16:55] it's [1:16:55] not [1:16:55] simply [1:16:56] clicking [1:16:57] that [1:16:58] I [1:16:58] am [1:16:58] 18 [1:16:59] we [1:16:59] require [1:17:00] rigorous [1:17:01] KYC [1:17:02] or [1:17:02] know [1:17:02] your [1:17:02] customer [1:17:03] process [1:17:03] wherein [1:17:04] we [1:17:04] users [1:17:05] are [1:17:05] required [1:17:06] to [1:17:06] submit [1:17:06] their [1:17:07] valid [1:17:08] government [1:17:08] IDs [1:17:09] and [1:17:09] it [1:17:09] is [1:17:09] paired [1:17:10] with [1:17:10] live [1:17:10] selfie [1:17:12] verification [1:17:13] so [1:17:13] that [1:17:13] we [1:17:13] can [1:17:14] ensure [1:17:14] that [1:17:15] we [1:17:15] identify [1:17:16] the [1:17:16] person [1:17:16] as [1:17:17] not [1:17:17] minor [1:17:18] before [1:17:18] they [1:17:18] can [1:17:18] access [1:17:19] these [1:17:19] prohibited [1:17:20] products [1:17:20] thank you [1:17:21] madam [1:17:21] chair [1:17:21] so [1:17:23] is [1:17:23] shopee [1:17:24] philippines [1:17:24] 100% [1:17:26] or 90% [1:17:27] or 80% [1:17:28] sure [1:17:28] na [1:17:29] kapag [1:17:30] may [1:17:30] magpipresenta [1:17:31] ng [1:17:31] diumanong [1:17:32] valid [1:17:32] government [1:17:33] ID [1:17:33] at [1:17:34] magpapakita [1:17:34] ng [1:17:34] selfie [1:17:35] na [1:17:35] that [1:17:36] person [1:17:36] is [1:17:37] really [1:17:37] 18 [1:17:38] or [1:17:38] older [1:17:39] to [1:17:39] what [1:17:39] percentage [1:17:40] sigurado [1:17:40] ang [1:17:41] shopee [1:17:43] I [1:17:43] don't [1:17:44] have [1:17:44] the [1:17:44] exact [1:17:45] percentage [1:17:45] or [1:17:45] the [1:17:46] percentage [1:17:47] of [1:17:47] accuracy [1:17:47] madam [1:17:48] chair [1:17:48] but [1:17:48] if [1:17:48] you [1:17:48] will [1:17:48] allow [1:17:49] me [1:17:49] we [1:17:49] can [1:17:49] consult [1:17:49] this [1:17:50] internally [1:17:50] and [1:17:50] submit [1:17:51] this [1:17:51] to [1:17:51] the [1:17:51] committee [1:17:52] yes [1:17:52] please [1:17:53] salamat [1:17:53] because [1:17:54] referring [1:17:55] to [1:17:55] another [1:17:55] investigation [1:17:56] ng [1:17:57] senate [1:17:59] committee [1:17:59] on [1:17:59] women [1:18:00] naman [1:18:00] in the [1:18:01] case [1:18:01] of [1:18:01] roblox [1:18:02] may [1:18:03] mga [1:18:03] kaso [1:18:04] we [1:18:04] brought [1:18:04] to [1:18:04] their [1:18:04] attention [1:18:05] na [1:18:05] yung [1:18:06] mga [1:18:06] bata [1:18:07] nakakabili [1:18:08] or [1:18:08] nakakaprocure [1:18:10] ng [1:18:10] photo [1:18:11] ng [1:18:12] adult [1:18:13] para [1:18:13] magkunwa [1:18:14] rin [1:18:14] adult [1:18:14] sila [1:18:15] on the [1:18:15] other [1:18:15] hand [1:18:16] may [1:18:16] mga [1:18:16] adults [1:18:16] din [1:18:17] nakakaprocure [1:18:18] ng [1:18:18] photo [1:18:19] or [1:18:19] other [1:18:19] identification [1:18:20] documents [1:18:22] or [1:18:23] visuals [1:18:23] para [1:18:24] makapagunwari [1:18:25] silang [1:18:25] mga [1:18:26] bata [1:18:26] and [1:18:27] gain [1:18:27] the [1:18:27] trust [1:18:28] of [1:18:28] kids [1:18:28] online [1:18:29] and [1:18:29] groom [1:18:29] them [1:18:30] for [1:18:30] some [1:18:31] things [1:18:32] very [1:18:32] different [1:18:33] from [1:18:33] gaming [1:18:34] so [1:18:34] that's [1:18:34] why [1:18:34] I'm [1:18:34] asking [1:18:35] these [1:18:35] questions [1:18:36] before [1:18:38] Mr. [1:18:38] Dulay [1:18:38] sir [1:18:39] anyone [1:18:39] else [1:18:40] from [1:18:40] the [1:18:40] platforms [1:18:41] na [1:18:42] gustong [1:18:43] mag [1:18:43] address [1:18:44] din dun [1:18:44] sa [1:18:45] tanong [1:18:45] na [1:18:45] since [1:18:46] yun [1:18:46] na [1:18:46] obviously [1:18:47] hindi pa [1:18:47] convinced [1:18:48] ang [1:18:48] committee [1:18:49] na [1:18:49] not [1:18:50] just [1:18:50] the [1:18:51] platforms [1:18:51] but [1:18:51] any [1:18:52] of [1:18:52] us [1:18:52] from [1:18:53] whatever [1:18:53] sector [1:18:54] ay [1:18:54] hindi [1:18:54] natin [1:18:55] masisigurado [1:18:56] 100% [1:18:57] na [1:18:57] someone [1:18:58] who [1:18:58] clicks [1:18:59] an [1:19:00] IM18 [1:19:00] or [1:19:01] presents [1:19:02] a valid [1:19:02] government [1:19:02] ID [1:19:03] or [1:19:03] presents [1:19:03] a [1:19:04] selfie [1:19:04] ay [1:19:04] talagang [1:19:05] 18 [1:19:05] so [1:19:06] anong [1:19:06] paanong [1:19:07] natin [1:19:07] i-manage [1:19:08] ito [1:19:08] yes [1:19:08] Mr. [1:19:08] Estelier [1:19:09] Thank you [1:19:14] Senator [1:19:14] we also [1:19:16] have [1:19:16] age [1:19:16] gating [1:19:17] I will [1:19:17] have to [1:19:18] double [1:19:18] check [1:19:18] on the [1:19:19] mechanism [1:19:19] so [1:19:19] I'll [1:19:20] get [1:19:20] back [1:19:20] to [1:19:20] the [1:19:20] committee [1:19:21] on [1:19:21] this [1:19:21] similar [1:19:22] to [1:19:22] Shopee [1:19:23] but [1:19:23] I'm [1:19:24] aware [1:19:24] that [1:19:24] we have [1:19:25] this [1:19:25] implemented [1:19:25] but [1:19:26] specific [1:19:26] to [1:19:26] vapes [1:19:27] similar [1:19:28] to [1:19:28] like [1:19:28] TikTok [1:19:28] shop [1:19:28] it's [1:19:29] considered [1:19:29] prohibited [1:19:30] and it's [1:19:30] not [1:19:30] sold [1:19:31] on the [1:19:32] platform [1:19:32] salamat [1:19:34] so [1:19:34] we'll [1:19:34] await [1:19:34] that [1:19:35] the [1:19:35] details [1:19:35] of [1:19:36] age [1:19:36] gating [1:19:36] and [1:19:38] so [1:19:39] to [1:19:39] all [1:19:40] the [1:19:40] platforms [1:19:41] would [1:19:43] tingin [1:19:44] nyo ba [1:19:44] dapat [1:19:45] na [1:19:45] nating [1:19:45] by law [1:19:46] i-ban [1:19:47] yung [1:19:47] online [1:19:48] sales [1:19:48] at [1:19:49] i-hold [1:19:50] accountable [1:19:51] kayong [1:19:52] mga [1:19:52] platforms [1:19:52] if [1:19:57] you're [1:19:57] not yet [1:19:57] ready [1:19:58] to [1:19:58] address [1:19:58] the [1:19:58] question [1:19:59] I [1:19:59] will [1:20:00] move [1:20:00] to [1:20:00] Mr. [1:20:00] Dulay [1:20:01] but [1:20:01] that's [1:20:02] a [1:20:02] that's [1:20:02] a [1:20:02] pending [1:20:02] question [1:20:03] hindi [1:20:04] lang [1:20:04] para [1:20:04] sa [1:20:04] mga [1:20:04] regulated [1:20:05] products [1:20:05] pero [1:20:06] pati [1:20:06] sa [1:20:06] mga [1:20:06] product [1:20:07] pinagkakasakita [1:20:08] nyo [1:20:08] rin [1:20:08] ng [1:20:09] ulo [1:20:09] yung [1:20:09] mga [1:20:09] illicit [1:20:10] etc [1:20:11] so [1:20:12] Mr. [1:20:12] Dulay [1:20:12] you wanted [1:20:13] to [1:20:13] interject [1:20:13] thank you [1:20:16] ma'am [1:20:17] doon po [1:20:17] based on [1:20:18] RA 11900 [1:20:19] on [1:20:20] online [1:20:20] 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[1:20:57] ng [1:20:57] PESIA [1:20:58] ilang [1:21:01] percentage [1:21:02] ng mga [1:21:02] deliveries [1:21:03] ay [1:21:03] actually [1:21:03] tinatanggap [1:21:05] nung [1:21:05] mismong [1:21:06] nag-order [1:21:06] or [1:21:07] nagpakita [1:21:07] ng [1:21:07] government [1:21:08] issued [1:21:09] ID [1:21:09] or [1:21:09] nagpakita [1:21:10] ng [1:21:10] selfie [1:21:10] ma'am [1:21:11] I can [1:21:12] only [1:21:12] answer [1:21:12] for [1:21:13] retailers [1:21:13] kasi [1:21:14] mostly [1:21:14] the [1:21:15] PESIA [1:21:15] is [1:21:16] an [1:21:17] association [1:21:18] of [1:21:18] retailers [1:21:19] so [1:21:20] ang [1:21:20] ginagawa [1:21:21] po [1:21:21] namin [1:21:21] is [1:21:21] talagang [1:21:23] meron pa [1:21:24] nga [1:21:24] kami [1:21:24] mga [1:21:24] stickers [1:21:25] dun [1:21:25] sa [1:21:25] aming [1:21:26] mga [1:21:26] tindahan [1:21:26] na [1:21:27] nagsasabi [1:21:28] na [1:21:28] we [1:21:28] check [1:21:29] government [1:21:29] IDs [1:21:30] before [1:21:30] we [1:21:31] sell [1:21:32] to [1:21:32] actual [1:21:33] customers [1:21:34] yun [1:21:35] po [1:21:35] ang [1:21:35] talagang [1:21:36] para [1:21:37] sa [1:21:37] amin [1:21:37] yun [1:21:37] ang [1:21:38] pinaka [1:21:38] ano [1:21:38] kasi [1:21:38] may [1:21:38] eye [1:21:39] test [1:21:39] nakasama [1:21:39] na tinitignan [1:21:40] po [1:21:41] ng [1:21:41] sales [1:21:42] staff [1:21:42] yung [1:21:43] ID [1:21:43] at [1:21:44] yung [1:21:44] bumibili [1:21:45] but [1:21:47] this [1:21:47] is [1:21:47] based [1:21:47] on [1:21:48] offline [1:21:48] sales [1:21:49] or [1:21:49] point [1:21:50] of [1:21:50] sales [1:21:51] transactions [1:21:53] so [1:21:54] offline [1:21:55] point [1:21:55] of [1:21:55] sales [1:21:56] transactions [1:21:56] and [1:21:56] syempre [1:21:57] alam [1:21:57] naman [1:21:58] natin [1:21:58] madalas [1:21:58] sa mga [1:21:59] deliveries [1:21:59] posibleng [1:22:01] iwan na [1:22:01] lang [1:22:01] ng [1:22:02] delivery [1:22:04] rider [1:22:04] diba [1:22:05] tatawagan [1:22:05] siya [1:22:06] ng [1:22:06] buyer [1:22:07] di umano [1:22:08] 18 [1:22:09] and [1:22:09] above [1:22:09] ay kuya [1:22:11] hindi ako [1:22:12] makapunta [1:22:12] sa [1:22:12] pinto [1:22:13] or [1:22:13] sa [1:22:13] gate [1:22:13] iwan [1:22:13] yun [1:22:14] na [1:22:14] lang [1:22:14] yun [1:22:15] nga [1:22:16] po [1:22:16] kailangan [1:22:17] natin [1:22:18] i-address [1:22:18] dahil [1:22:19] maganda [1:22:19] naman [1:22:19] po [1:22:19] yung [1:22:20] intent [1:22:21] ng [1:22:21] law [1:22:21] pero [1:22:22] kailangan [1:22:22] po [1:22:23] i-enforce [1:22:23] natin [1:22:23] and implement [1:22:24] natin [1:22:24] properly [1:22:25] Alright [1:22:28] Salamat [1:22:28] Mr. [1:22:29] Dulay [1:22:30] Let's [1:22:32] go on [1:22:32] to [1:22:32] marketing [1:22:33] and [1:22:33] social [1:22:34] media [1:22:34] exposure [1:22:34] Ah yes [1:22:35] bago [1:22:35] tayo [1:22:35] dumako [1:22:36] doon [1:22:36] Dr. [1:22:37] Madumba [1:22:37] Thank you [1:22:38] po [1:22:38] Honorable [1:22:39] Chair [1:22:39] Just [1:22:40] to [1:22:40] add [1:22:40] lang [1:22:41] po [1:22:41] sa [1:22:41] conversation [1:22:42] on [1:22:42] online [1:22:42] platforms [1:22:43] So [1:22:43] we [1:22:44] could [1:22:44] already [1:22:44] see [1:22:45] yung [1:22:45] mekanismo [1:22:46] na [1:22:46] ginagawa [1:22:46] ng [1:22:46] online [1:22:47] platforms [1:22:47] namin [1:22:48] but [1:22:48] just [1:22:48] to [1:22:49] make [1:22:49] sure [1:22:49] and [1:22:49] to [1:22:49] make [1:22:50] it [1:22:50] a [1:22:50] lived [1:22:50] experience [1:22:51] Trinay [1:22:51] po [1:22:51] ng [1:22:51] team [1:22:51] namin [1:22:52] just [1:22:52] this [1:22:52] morning [1:22:53] 30 [1:22:53] minutes [1:22:53] before [1:22:54] the [1:22:54] Senate [1:22:54] hearing [1:22:54] to [1:22:55] make [1:22:56] a [1:22:56] fake [1:22:56] account [1:22:56] without [1:22:57] any [1:22:58] age [1:22:58] verification [1:22:58] and [1:23:01] we [1:23:01] were [1:23:01] able [1:23:02] to [1:23:02] place [1:23:03] a [1:23:06] purchase [1:23:07] for [1:23:07] vapes [1:23:07] So [1:23:08] nakikita [1:23:08] rin [1:23:08] po [1:23:08] natin [1:23:09] with [1:23:09] they [1:23:09] said [1:23:09] na [1:23:09] mayroon [1:23:10] tayong [1:23:10] mga [1:23:10] keywords [1:23:11] na [1:23:11] ginagamit [1:23:12] We [1:23:12] didn't [1:23:12] use [1:23:13] vape [1:23:13] na [1:23:13] characters [1:23:14] na [1:23:14] V-A-P-E [1:23:15] We [1:23:15] used [1:23:16] the [1:23:16] characters [1:23:16] V-P-E [1:23:18] So [1:23:18] nakalusot [1:23:18] po [1:23:18] siya [1:23:19] ang dami [1:23:19] pong [1:23:19] listings [1:23:20] doon [1:23:20] Aside [1:23:20] from [1:23:21] that [1:23:21] we [1:23:21] have [1:23:22] also [1:23:22] keywords [1:23:23] like [1:23:23] V [1:23:23] at [1:23:24] sign [1:23:25] PE [1:23:25] and [1:23:26] we [1:23:26] can [1:23:26] still [1:23:26] see [1:23:27] a [1:23:27] lot [1:23:27] of [1:23:27] listings [1:23:27] there [1:23:28] So [1:23:28] we [1:23:28] can [1:23:29] see [1:23:29] here [1:23:29] Madam [1:23:29] Chair [1:23:29] that [1:23:30] even [1:23:31] though [1:23:31] there [1:23:31] are [1:23:31] regulations [1:23:32] and [1:23:32] restrictions [1:23:33] on [1:23:33] online [1:23:34] sale [1:23:34] I [1:23:35] think [1:23:40] the [1:23:40] most [1:23:40] logical [1:23:41] thing [1:23:41] to [1:23:41] do [1:23:42] would [1:23:42] simplify [1:23:42] the [1:23:43] enforcement [1:23:43] and [1:23:43] the [1:23:43] regulation [1:23:44] to [1:23:44] total [1:23:44] banning [1:23:45] it [1:23:45] Madam [1:23:46] Chair [1:23:46] I [1:23:46] just [1:23:46] want [1:23:46] to [1:23:46] manifest [1:23:47] quickly [1:23:47] that [1:23:48] in [1:23:48] the [1:23:48] ASEAN [1:23:49] member [1:23:49] states [1:23:49] there [1:23:50] are [1:23:51] member [1:23:51] states [1:23:52] and [1:23:52] there [1:23:52] are [1:23:52] already [1:23:53] eight [1:23:53] member [1:23:54] states [1:23:54] that [1:23:55] ban [1:23:55] vape [1:23:55] 3 [1:23:56] are [1:23:56] going [1:23:56] to [1:23:56] ban [1:23:57] vape [1:23:58] this [1:24:02] 2026 [1:24:02] and [1:24:03] if [1:24:03] that [1:24:04] happens [1:24:04] we [1:24:05] will [1:24:05] ban [1:24:05] a [1:24:05] member [1:24:06] of [1:24:06] FCTC [1:24:07] that [1:24:07] not [1:24:08] ban [1:24:08] vape [1:24:09] so [1:24:09] I [1:24:09] think [1:24:09] just [1:24:10] to [1:24:10] simplify [1:24:11] the [1:24:11] enforcement [1:24:11] and [1:24:12] regulation [1:24:12] ban [1:24:14] on [1:24:14] vape [1:24:14] would [1:24:14] be [1:24:14] the [1:24:15] most [1:24:15] logical [1:24:16] Thank [1:24:16] you [1:24:16] Madam [1:24:16] Chair [1:24:16] Thank [1:24:18] you [1:24:18] Doctor [1:24:19] Saan [1:24:20] platform [1:24:20] kayo [1:24:20] naka [1:24:21] gawa [1:24:22] ng [1:24:22] fake [1:24:22] account [1:24:22] tapos [1:24:23] naka [1:24:23] place [1:24:24] ng [1:24:24] purchase [1:24:25] order [1:24:26] Let me [1:24:26] provide [1:24:27] the [1:24:27] information [1:24:28] sa [1:24:28] office [1:24:29] comsec [1:24:29] Ano ba [1:24:31] naman [1:24:31] hearing [1:24:32] na [1:24:32] nga [1:24:32] ito [1:24:32] Tinutulungan [1:24:33] lang [1:24:33] natin [1:24:34] lahat [1:24:34] ng [1:24:34] stakeholders [1:24:35] to [1:24:35] together [1:24:36] come up [1:24:36] with a [1:24:37] better [1:24:37] law [1:24:37] and [1:24:37] enforce [1:24:38] it [1:24:38] Alright [1:24:39] Napaka [1:24:39] naranasan [1:24:41] napakaingat [1:24:42] naman [1:24:42] ang DOH [1:24:42] sa ganitong [1:24:43] klaseng [1:24:43] tanong [1:24:44] I think [1:24:45] may [1:24:45] K [1:24:45] kayo [1:24:45] to be [1:24:46] bolder [1:24:46] Dr. [1:24:47] Malumba [1:24:48] Alright [1:24:48] So [1:24:49] sa DOH [1:24:51] pa rin [1:24:51] at saka [1:24:51] sa DTI [1:24:52] din [1:24:52] so [1:24:53] sa ating [1:24:54] mga [1:24:54] public health [1:24:54] authorities [1:24:55] Kung [1:24:56] nasa [1:24:57] TikTok [1:24:57] influencers [1:24:58] at [1:24:59] social [1:24:59] media [1:25:00] ang [1:25:00] promotion [1:25:01] hindi [1:25:02] ba [1:25:03] malinaw [1:25:04] na [1:25:04] exposed [1:25:05] pa rin [1:25:05] ang [1:25:05] kabataan [1:25:06] Would you [1:25:07] like to [1:25:07] take this [1:25:07] Dr. [1:25:08] Madumba [1:25:08] or [1:25:08] will it [1:25:09] be [1:25:09] someone [1:25:09] else [1:25:09] from [1:25:09] DOH [1:25:10] Hindi [1:25:12] ba [1:25:12] exposed [1:25:12] pa rin [1:25:13] ang [1:25:13] kabataan [1:25:13] kapag [1:25:14] nasa [1:25:15] ganyang [1:25:15] mga [1:25:15] personalities [1:25:17] at [1:25:17] sa [1:25:17] platforms [1:25:18] ang [1:25:18] promotion [1:25:19] Yes [1:25:19] pa [1:25:19] So [1:25:19] we can [1:25:20] see [1:25:20] po [1:25:20] Madam [1:25:21] Chair [1:25:21] that [1:25:21] there [1:25:21] are [1:25:21] multitude [1:25:23] of [1:25:23] platforms [1:25:24] talaga [1:25:24] kung [1:25:24] sa [1:25:24] nakikita [1:25:25] naman [1:25:25] kabataan [1:25:26] yung mga [1:25:26] different [1:25:26] advertisements [1:25:27] natin [1:25:27] for [1:25:28] vapes [1:25:28] po [1:25:29] Although [1:25:29] the [1:25:30] RA [1:25:31] 11900 [1:25:32] said [1:25:32] that [1:25:33] 100 [1:25:33] meter [1:25:33] pa rin [1:25:34] yung [1:25:34] layo [1:25:34] pa rin [1:25:34] natin [1:25:35] There [1:25:35] are [1:25:36] certain [1:25:36] loopholes [1:25:36] for [1:25:37] this [1:25:37] one [1:25:37] So [1:25:37] makikita [1:25:38] po [1:25:38] natin [1:25:38] that [1:25:39] even [1:25:42] 300 [1:25:42] meters [1:25:43] or [1:25:43] 400 [1:25:43] meters [1:25:44] from [1:25:44] the [1:25:44] perimeter [1:25:44] of [1:25:44] the [1:25:45] school [1:25:45] the [1:25:45] kids [1:25:46] still [1:25:46] can [1:25:46] see [1:25:46] this [1:25:47] one [1:25:47] And [1:25:48] aside [1:25:48] from [1:25:48] that [1:25:48] Madam [1:25:49] Chair [1:25:49] I [1:25:49] think [1:25:50] the [1:25:50] most [1:25:50] enticing [1:25:52] to [1:25:52] the [1:25:52] youth [1:25:53] would [1:25:55] flavors [1:25:55] So [1:26:00] that [1:26:00] is [1:26:00] why [1:26:00] with [1:26:00] our [1:26:01] position [1:26:01] FDA [1:26:02] LCP [1:26:03] also [1:26:03] has [1:26:03] this [1:26:03] same [1:26:04] position [1:26:04] that [1:26:04] we [1:26:04] want [1:26:05] to [1:26:05] minimize [1:26:06] it [1:26:06] we [1:26:07] restrict [1:26:08] it [1:26:08] just [1:26:08] to [1:26:08] plain [1:26:09] tobacco [1:26:09] flavor [1:26:10] so [1:26:10] that [1:26:10] we [1:26:10] wouldn't [1:26:11] entice [1:26:11] our [1:26:12] kids [1:26:12] I [1:26:12] think [1:26:12] that [1:26:12] is [1:26:13] the [1:26:13] most [1:26:13] prominent [1:26:14] and [1:26:14] that [1:26:14] is [1:26:14] the [1:26:14] most [1:26:14] encouraging [1:26:15] characteristics [1:26:17] of [1:26:17] vapes [1:26:18] that [1:26:18] holds [1:26:18] this [1:26:19] our [1:26:19] teen [1:26:20] ages [1:26:20] to [1:26:20] it [1:26:20] to [1:26:21] the [1:26:21] bishop [1:26:22] of [1:26:22] Thank [1:26:23] Madam Chair [1:26:24] Salamat [1:26:24] Dr. [1:26:25] Madumba [1:26:25] Attorney [1:26:26] Ferdiswenda [1:26:27] given [1:26:28] yung [1:26:29] current [1:26:34] advertising [1:26:34] restrictions [1:26:35] sapat na po [1:26:36] ba [1:26:37] sila [1:26:38] o [1:26:38] madali [1:26:39] lang [1:26:39] silang [1:26:39] mabipass [1:26:40] Good [1:26:43] morning [1:26:43] Madam Chair [1:26:44] ngayon lang [1:26:44] po [1:26:44] ako [1:26:44] nakapag [1:26:45] good [1:26:45] morning [1:26:45] nakalimutan [1:26:47] ko [1:26:47] kanina [1:26:48] Okay [1:26:48] po [1:26:49] currently [1:26:50] po [1:26:50] yung [1:26:51] restrictions [1:26:51] po [1:26:52] sa [1:26:52] RA [1:26:52] 11900 [1:26:53] sapat [1:26:55] na po [1:26:56] kasi [1:26:57] pinagbabawal [1:26:58] po [1:26:58] doon [1:26:58] yung [1:26:59] mga [1:26:59] merchants [1:27:00] na [1:27:00] may [1:27:01] logo [1:27:01] ng [1:27:01] Bay [1:27:02] products [1:27:02] tsaka [1:27:03] yung [1:27:03] mga [1:27:04] celebrities 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doon [1:27:40] sa [1:27:40] schools [1:27:41] or [1:27:42] any [1:27:42] locations [1:27:43] particularly [1:27:44] frequented [1:27:45] by [1:27:45] minors [1:27:46] talagang [1:27:47] sinusuyod [1:27:49] po [1:27:49] yun [1:27:49] ng [1:27:49] DTI [1:27:49] daily [1:27:50] po [1:27:51] meron [1:27:51] po [1:27:51] kami [1:27:51] mga [1:27:52] enforcement [1:27:53] enforcers [1:27:55] na [1:27:56] nasa [1:27:56] labas [1:27:56] po [1:27:56] daily [1:27:57] po [1:27:57] yun [1:27:57] tsaka [1:27:58] po [1:27:58] with [1:28:00] respect [1:28:00] po [1:28:00] sa [1:28:01] online [1:28:02] meron [1:28:03] po [1:28:03] din [1:28:03] po [1:28:03] kami [1:28:04] daily [1:28:05] online [1:28:05] monitors [1:28:06] na [1:28:06] minomonitor [1:28:07] po [1:28:07] kung [1:28:08] isang [1:28:08] produkto [1:28:11] isang [1:28:11] way [1:28:11] products [1:28:12] registered [1:28:13] ba [1:28:13] or [1:28:14] compliant [1:28:15] po [1:28:15] sa mga [1:28:16] registrations [1:28:17] or yung [1:28:18] mga [1:28:18] ating [1:28:19] compliant [1:28:20] po [1:28:21] sa [1:28:21] standards [1:28:21] Salamat [1:28:24] po [1:28:25] attorney [1:28:25] pero [1:28:25] pakitake [1:28:26] note [1:28:26] yung [1:28:26] isang [1:28:27] sinabi [1:28:27] ng [1:28:27] DOH [1:28:28] na [1:28:28] kahit [1:28:29] kung [1:28:29] nai-enforce [1:28:30] po [1:28:30] ng [1:28:30] DTI [1:28:31] monitoring [1:28:32] yung [1:28:33] within [1:28:34] 100 [1:28:34] meters [1:28:34] from [1:28:35] schools [1:28:35] pero [1:28:36] kung [1:28:36] may [1:28:36] malaking [1:28:37] billboard [1:28:37] nga po [1:28:38] na [1:28:38] kahit [1:28:38] 300 [1:28:39] meters [1:28:39] away [1:28:40] ay [1:28:40] nakikita [1:28:40] pa rin [1:28:40] po [1:28:41] nung [1:28:41] bata [1:28:41] nakakarating [1:28:42] pa rin [1:28:43] sa [1:28:43] kanila [1:28:43] at [1:28:43] nakakaakit [1:28:44] yung [1:28:44] promotions [1:28:45] sa [1:28:46] pananaw [1:28:47] po [1:28:47] ng [1:28:47] DOH [1:28:48] sapat [1:28:49] na nga [1:28:50] po ba [1:28:50] yung [1:28:50] restrictions [1:28:51] kasalukuyan [1:28:52] sa [1:28:52] advertising [1:28:53] o [1:28:53] dapat [1:28:54] po [1:28:54] or [1:28:55] madali [1:28:56] pa rin [1:28:57] siyang [1:28:57] mabipass [1:28:57] Thank you [1:28:59] madam [1:28:59] shared [1:28:59] definitely [1:29:00] pa [1:29:00] we [1:29:00] see [1:29:01] our [1:29:01] 11900 [1:29:02] as [1:29:03] alo [1:29:04] na [1:29:04] madali [1:29:04] maging [1:29:04] loopholes [1:29:05] when it [1:29:05] comes to [1:29:06] tobacco [1:29:07] advertisement [1:29:07] promotion [1:29:08] so [1:29:09] for [1:29:09] example [1:29:09] po [1:29:10] I [1:29:10] hear [1:29:10] attorney [1:29:11] po [1:29:11] kanina [1:29:11] we're [1:29:12] mandating [1:29:13] 100 [1:29:13] meters [1:29:13] natin [1:29:14] on [1:29:14] the [1:29:14] point [1:29:15] of [1:29:15] sale [1:29:15] so [1:29:15] another [1:29:16] vagueness [1:29:16] of the [1:29:17] RA [1:29:17] 11900 [1:29:18] would be [1:29:19] the definition [1:29:20] of the [1:29:20] point [1:29:20] of sale [1:29:21] means [1:29:22] the intention [1:29:22] is [1:29:23] point [1:29:24] of sale [1:29:25] doon [1:29:25] sa [1:29:26] establishment [1:29:28] but [1:29:29] they [1:29:29] said [1:29:29] that [1:29:30] the [1:29:30] facade [1:29:32] is [1:29:33] with [1:29:33] point [1:29:33] of sale [1:29:34] can [1:29:34] put it [1:29:34] on [1:29:35] the [1:29:35] advertisement [1:29:35] that [1:29:36] can [1:29:37] can [1:29:37] get [1:29:37] to [1:29:38] see [1:29:38] our [1:29:38] children [1:29:39] so [1:29:39] that [1:29:40] is [1:29:40] something [1:29:40] that [1:29:40] we [1:29:41] need [1:29:41] to [1:29:41] look [1:29:41] into [1:29:42] when [1:29:42] we [1:29:42] draft [1:29:42] when [1:29:43] we [1:29:44] repeal [1:29:44] or [1:29:44] when [1:29:44] we [1:29:45] amend [1:29:45] our [1:29:46] RA 11900 [1:29:47] there [1:29:48] are also [1:29:49] some [1:29:49] instances [1:29:50] that [1:29:50] the [1:29:51] vapes [1:29:51] and [1:29:52] e-cigarettes [1:29:52] will mask [1:29:54] their [1:29:54] advertisement [1:29:55] as a [1:29:55] lifestyle [1:29:56] motivation [1:29:59] although [1:30:01] hindi nila [1:30:01] outright [1:30:02] sinasabi [1:30:03] ito pa rin [1:30:04] yung [1:30:04] naging enticement [1:30:05] sa ating [1:30:06] mga kabataan [1:30:06] na this [1:30:07] particular [1:30:07] line [1:30:09] of [1:30:09] advertisement [1:30:11] ay nagpapakita [1:30:12] na cool [1:30:13] pala talaga [1:30:13] ang magkaroon [1:30:14] ng vape [1:30:14] so [1:30:14] hindi man [1:30:15] lang siya [1:30:15] very [1:30:16] explicit [1:30:17] there is [1:30:17] still [1:30:18] the [1:30:18] subliminal [1:30:18] and [1:30:19] very [1:30:19] catchy [1:30:19] pa rin [1:30:20] po [1:30:20] na [1:30:20] mga [1:30:20] themes [1:30:22] tungkol [1:30:22] po [1:30:22] dito [1:30:22] I think [1:30:23] baka [1:30:24] meron [1:30:24] po rin [1:30:24] masabi [1:30:25] si [1:30:25] FDA [1:30:26] po [1:30:26] natin [1:30:26] sa [1:30:26] Lung [1:30:27] Center [1:30:27] Thank you [1:30:28] Madam [1:30:28] Chair [1:30:28] Thank you [1:30:28] Dr. [1:30:29] Madumba [1:30:29] Yes [1:30:30] Engineer [1:30:31] Ana [1:30:32] Tirinidad [1:30:33] Rivera [1:30:34] Mukha pong [1:30:35] nababypass [1:30:36] yung mga [1:30:36] current [1:30:36] restrictions [1:30:37] sa [1:30:37] advertising [1:30:38] So [1:30:38] for one [1:30:39] sa tingin [1:30:39] po [1:30:40] ng [1:30:40] FDA [1:30:41] dapat [1:30:41] bang [1:30:41] palawakin [1:30:42] yung [1:30:42] definition [1:30:43] ng [1:30:43] advertising [1:30:44] at [1:30:45] dapat [1:30:45] din ba [1:30:45] tayong tumungo [1:30:46] sa total [1:30:47] ban [1:30:47] on [1:30:48] advertising [1:30:48] sa [1:30:49] VAIT [1:30:49] Thank you [1:30:50] Madam [1:30:51] Chair [1:30:51] Good [1:30:51] morning [1:30:51] to [1:30:52] everyone [1:30:52] On [1:30:53] the part [1:30:54] of the [1:30:54] FDA [1:30:54] as we [1:30:55] see [1:30:55] as we [1:30:57] benchmark [1:30:57] our [1:30:57] regulations [1:30:58] with [1:30:58] other [1:30:59] countries [1:30:59] we see [1:31:00] that [1:31:00] the [1:31:01] ban [1:31:01] on [1:31:01] the [1:31:01] advertising [1:31:02] promotions [1:31:03] and [1:31:03] sponsorships [1:31:04] are [1:31:05] effective [1:31:05] in [1:31:06] really [1:31:06] cortating [1:31:07] access [1:31:08] so [1:31:09] this [1:31:09] is [1:31:10] one [1:31:10] point [1:31:11] of [1:31:11] contention [1:31:12] that [1:31:13] the [1:31:14] teenagers [1:31:16] would be [1:31:17] able [1:31:18] to [1:31:18] access [1:31:19] information [1:31:20] and [1:31:21] the [1:31:23] product [1:31:23] through [1:31:24] the [1:31:25] modern [1:31:26] quadrimedia [1:31:28] it's [1:31:29] already [1:31:29] quadrimedia [1:31:30] promotions [1:31:32] for these [1:31:33] products [1:31:33] and [1:31:35] we [1:31:35] have [1:31:36] to [1:31:36] emphasize [1:31:37] that [1:31:37] these [1:31:37] products [1:31:38] are not [1:31:38] essential [1:31:39] to [1:31:39] health [1:31:40] so [1:31:40] this [1:31:43] is [1:31:43] supposed [1:31:44] to [1:31:44] be [1:31:44] as [1:31:45] what [1:31:45] our [1:31:46] industry [1:31:47] players [1:31:48] are [1:31:48] saying [1:31:48] for [1:31:49] smoking [1:31:49] cessation [1:31:50] and [1:31:51] if [1:31:51] we [1:31:52] talk [1:31:54] about [1:31:54] smoking [1:31:55] cessation [1:31:55] there [1:31:55] are [1:31:56] already [1:31:56] established [1:31:57] guidelines [1:31:59] clinical [1:32:00] practice [1:32:00] guidelines [1:32:01] that [1:32:02] are [1:32:02] made [1:32:02] available [1:32:03] by [1:32:04] our [1:32:04] practitioners [1:32:06] so [1:32:06] these [1:32:07] tobacco [1:32:09] advertisement [1:32:09] promotions [1:32:11] and [1:32:12] sponsorship [1:32:12] should [1:32:13] be [1:32:13] banned [1:32:13] considering [1:32:15] the [1:32:15] mechanisms [1:32:18] that [1:32:19] it is [1:32:20] now [1:32:20] being [1:32:21] advanced [1:32:22] through [1:32:22] the [1:32:23] platforms [1:32:23] the [1:32:24] different [1:32:24] online [1:32:24] platforms [1:32:25] and [1:32:26] even [1:32:26] in [1:32:27] your [1:32:27] text [1:32:27] messaging [1:32:28] there [1:32:29] we [1:32:30] have [1:32:30] some [1:32:31] instances [1:32:31] where [1:32:32] you [1:32:33] are [1:32:33] being [1:32:34] reminded [1:32:34] that [1:32:35] you [1:32:35] have [1:32:35] already [1:32:36] consumed [1:32:36] this [1:32:37] amount [1:32:37] of [1:32:37] products [1:32:38] and [1:32:38] you [1:32:38] should [1:32:38] already [1:32:39] buy [1:32:40] again [1:32:40] so [1:32:41] this [1:32:42] is [1:32:42] not [1:32:42] just [1:32:43] for [1:32:43] online [1:32:43] platforms [1:32:44] but [1:32:44] also [1:32:45] for [1:32:46] text [1:32:47] messaging [1:32:48] and [1:32:48] other [1:32:48] telecom [1:32:49] sponsorships [1:32:51] thank you [1:32:52] madam [1:32:52] chair [1:32:53] thank you [1:32:54] engineer [1:32:54] ana [1:32:55] komsik [1:32:56] maimbita [1:32:57] ba [1:32:57] natin [1:32:57] yung [1:32:57] mga [1:32:58] telecom [1:33:00] companies [1:33:00] sa hearing [1:33:01] natin [1:33:01] hindi [1:33:02] baka we [1:33:03] can [1:33:03] at least [1:33:04] to the [1:33:04] technical [1:33:05] working [1:33:05] group [1:33:05] to address [1:33:06] that point [1:33:07] text [1:33:08] messaging [1:33:08] din [1:33:08] pala [1:33:09] nagiging [1:33:10] bahagi [1:33:10] ng [1:33:11] advertising [1:33:11] and [1:33:11] promotion [1:33:12] so [1:33:12] if I [1:33:13] heard [1:33:13] you [1:33:14] correctly [1:33:14] engineer [1:33:14] ana [1:33:15] pabor [1:33:16] kayo [1:33:17] papunta [1:33:17] sa [1:33:18] ban [1:33:18] on [1:33:18] advertising [1:33:19] on [1:33:20] vapes [1:33:20] kasama [1:33:21] po ba [1:33:21] doon [1:33:22] yung [1:33:22] we [1:33:22] expand [1:33:23] the [1:33:23] definition [1:33:23] of [1:33:24] what [1:33:24] constitutes [1:33:25] advertising [1:33:25] yes [1:33:27] madam [1:33:27] chair [1:33:27] so that [1:33:28] there [1:33:28] will [1:33:28] be [1:33:29] no [1:33:29] ambiguities [1:33:30] in [1:33:30] terms [1:33:31] of [1:33:31] implementing [1:33:32] the [1:33:32] regulations [1:33:32] especially [1:33:33] for [1:33:34] our [1:33:35] law [1:33:35] enforcement [1:33:35] agencies [1:33:36] and [1:33:36] for [1:33:37] the [1:33:37] regulatory [1:33:37] agencies [1:33:38] thank [1:33:39] you [1:33:39] madam [1:33:39] chair [1:33:39] thank [1:33:41] you [1:33:42] too [1:33:42] at [1:33:42] habang [1:33:42] on [1:33:42] board [1:33:43] na rin [1:33:43] ang [1:33:43] FDA [1:33:43] dako [1:33:44] tayo [1:33:44] dun [1:33:44] sa [1:33:44] flavors [1:33:45] na binanggit [1:33:46] ni [1:33:46] Dr. [1:33:46] Madumba [1:33:47] kung [1:33:49] candy [1:33:49] fruit [1:33:50] flavors [1:33:50] ang [1:33:51] umaakit [1:33:52] sa mga [1:33:52] kabataan [1:33:53] bakit [1:33:54] pa natin [1:33:54] ito [1:33:55] pinapayagan [1:33:55] madam [1:33:58] chair [1:33:58] the [1:33:59] original [1:33:59] proposal [1:34:00] from [1:34:00] the [1:34:01] DOH [1:34:01] and the [1:34:02] Food [1:34:02] and Drug [1:34:03] Administration [1:34:03] is a [1:34:04] ban [1:34:04] on [1:34:05] flavors [1:34:07] in the [1:34:07] previous [1:34:08] law [1:34:09] 11 [1:34:09] 463 [1:34:10] and it [1:34:11] was only [1:34:12] under [1:34:12] 11900 [1:34:13] I think [1:34:14] that it [1:34:15] was [1:34:15] considered [1:34:17] to be [1:34:18] included [1:34:18] in the [1:34:19] 11900 [1:34:21] bill [1:34:22] so for [1:34:23] the [1:34:23] FDA [1:34:23] and the [1:34:24] DOH [1:34:25] we now [1:34:25] propose [1:34:26] that [1:34:26] what would [1:34:28] be allowed [1:34:29] would only [1:34:30] be tobacco [1:34:30] flavors [1:34:31] because [1:34:32] initially [1:34:33] when we [1:34:34] tried to [1:34:35] regulate [1:34:36] these products [1:34:37] we receive [1:34:39] a safety [1:34:39] data sheet [1:34:40] from one [1:34:41] of the [1:34:41] companies [1:34:41] which has [1:34:43] around 30 [1:34:43] chemicals [1:34:44] that are [1:34:45] included [1:34:46] in the [1:34:47] in the [1:34:47] vape [1:34:47] itself [1:34:48] so it [1:34:49] includes [1:34:49] artificial [1:34:50] sweeteners [1:34:51] sugar [1:34:52] flavorings [1:34:53] and additives [1:34:56] that will [1:34:56] really entice [1:34:58] the [1:34:59] user [1:35:00] to further [1:35:01] use the [1:35:02] vapes [1:35:02] because of [1:35:04] the [1:35:04] flavors [1:35:04] and [1:35:05] additives [1:35:08] that is [1:35:09] included [1:35:10] aside [1:35:10] from the [1:35:11] fact [1:35:11] that it [1:35:11] contains [1:35:12] nicotine [1:35:13] so [1:35:14] nasagot [1:35:15] nyo na [1:35:15] yung [1:35:16] isang [1:35:16] follow-up [1:35:16] question [1:35:17] ko [1:35:17] sana [1:35:17] na [1:35:18] dapat [1:35:19] ilimita [1:35:19] lang ba [1:35:20] natin [1:35:20] sa [1:35:20] tobacco [1:35:21] at [1:35:21] menthol [1:35:21] pero [1:35:22] ni [1:35:22] menthol [1:35:23] hindi [1:35:23] nyo [1:35:23] na [1:35:23] sinasama [1:35:24] tobacco [1:35:24] lamang [1:35:25] o [1:35:26] dapat [1:35:26] ba [1:35:26] tayo [1:35:27] mag [1:35:27] require [1:35:27] ng [1:35:28] strictong [1:35:30] health [1:35:30] approval [1:35:30] before [1:35:32] any [1:35:32] others [1:35:33] or [1:35:33] hanggang [1:35:34] tobacco [1:35:35] lang ba [1:35:35] talaga [1:35:35] madam [1:35:37] chair [1:35:37] the [1:35:37] position [1:35:38] of [1:35:38] the [1:35:38] department [1:35:39] of [1:35:39] health [1:35:39] and [1:35:40] the [1:35:40] FDA [1:35:40] is [1:35:41] for [1:35:42] the [1:35:42] ban [1:35:42] because [1:35:43] there [1:35:44] are [1:35:44] around [1:35:44] 17,000 [1:35:46] different [1:35:46] flavors [1:35:47] that are [1:35:48] now [1:35:48] available [1:35:48] in the [1:35:49] market [1:35:49] and [1:35:50] for [1:35:50] a [1:35:50] regulatory [1:35:51] agency [1:35:52] that [1:35:52] is [1:35:52] really [1:35:52] a [1:35:53] burden [1:35:53] to [1:35:53] be [1:35:53] able [1:35:54] to [1:35:54] monitor [1:35:54] the [1:35:55] health [1:35:55] effects [1:35:56] of [1:35:56] each [1:35:56] and [1:35:57] every [1:35:57] chemical [1:35:58] that [1:35:59] is [1:35:59] being [1:35:59] used [1:36:00] in [1:36:00] the [1:36:01] flavor [1:36:01] however [1:36:02] if the [1:36:03] committee [1:36:03] decides [1:36:04] to [1:36:06] regulate [1:36:06] then [1:36:07] the [1:36:07] DOH [1:36:08] and [1:36:08] the [1:36:08] FDA [1:36:09] is [1:36:09] for [1:36:09] stronger [1:36:10] regulations [1:36:11] and [1:36:12] this [1:36:12] would [1:36:13] include [1:36:13] if [1:36:14] allowed [1:36:15] only [1:36:16] tobacco [1:36:16] flavors [1:36:17] because [1:36:17] when we [1:36:18] assess [1:36:18] menthol [1:36:19] and [1:36:20] mint [1:36:20] there [1:36:20] are [1:36:21] almost [1:36:22] more [1:36:22] than [1:36:22] 100 [1:36:23] different [1:36:24] flavors [1:36:24] for [1:36:25] mint [1:36:25] and [1:36:25] menthol [1:36:26] and [1:36:26] again [1:36:27] it [1:36:27] will [1:36:27] be [1:36:27] a [1:36:27] challenge [1:36:28] for [1:36:28] a [1:36:28] regulator [1:36:29] to [1:36:29] determine [1:36:30] the [1:36:30] risks [1:36:31] associated [1:36:32] to [1:36:32] health [1:36:32] and [1:36:33] also [1:36:34] to [1:36:34] our [1:36:35] stakeholders [1:36:36] especially [1:36:37] the [1:36:37] children [1:36:38] Salamat po [1:36:40] Engineer [1:36:41] Ana [1:36:41] Yes [1:36:43] Mr. [1:36:43] Dula [1:36:43] you'd like [1:36:44] to [1:36:44] interject [1:36:44] and [1:36:45] then [1:36:45] afterwards [1:36:45] Mr. [1:36:45] Castillo [1:36:46] Yes [1:36:47] ma'am [1:36:47] Kailangan [1:36:49] po [1:36:49] natin [1:36:49] sigurong [1:36:50] mag [1:36:51] ano [1:36:51] ng [1:36:51] premise [1:36:51] na [1:36:52] differentiation [1:36:54] of [1:36:54] there [1:36:56] are [1:36:56] two [1:36:56] sellers [1:36:58] in [1:36:58] the [1:36:58] market [1:36:58] today [1:36:59] meron [1:37:00] compliant [1:37:01] industry [1:37:02] meron [1:37:03] illicit [1:37:04] industry [1:37:05] yung [1:37:05] compliant [1:37:06] industry [1:37:06] po [1:37:06] lahat [1:37:07] po [1:37:07] kami [1:37:07] sumusunod [1:37:09] sa batas [1:37:10] sa [1:37:10] RA 11900 [1:37:11] lahat [1:37:12] po [1:37:12] ng [1:37:12] sinasabing [1:37:13] mga [1:37:13] flavors [1:37:14] meron [1:37:15] pa [1:37:15] ang DTI [1:37:16] na [1:37:16] bawal [1:37:16] maglagay [1:37:17] ng [1:37:17] flavor [1:37:17] descriptors [1:37:18] so [1:37:18] ang [1:37:19] mga [1:37:19] binibentang [1:37:20] mga [1:37:20] legal [1:37:20] na [1:37:20] produkto [1:37:21] wala [1:37:21] pong [1:37:21] flavor [1:37:22] descriptors [1:37:23] yung [1:37:24] bang [1:37:24] para [1:37:25] pag-isahin [1:37:26] natin [1:37:26] at [1:37:26] itreat [1:37:27] ang [1:37:27] lahat [1:37:28] ng [1:37:28] sellers [1:37:29] ng [1:37:29] vape [1:37:29] as [1:37:30] pare-pareho [1:37:30] parang [1:37:32] hindi [1:37:32] tama [1:37:34] we have [1:37:35] to [1:37:35] balance [1:37:35] it [1:37:36] ang [1:37:36] sa [1:37:37] amin [1:37:37] po [1:37:38] pag [1:37:38] kami [1:37:38] sumusunod [1:37:39] sa [1:37:39] lahat [1:37:40] ng [1:37:40] batas [1:37:41] lahat [1:37:42] po [1:37:42] ng [1:37:43] mga [1:37:43] fears [1:37:44] and [1:37:44] apprehensions [1:37:46] ng [1:37:46] public [1:37:47] health [1:37:48] group [1:37:48] nasasagot [1:37:49] naman [1:37:49] po [1:37:50] bawal [1:37:50] ang [1:37:51] 18 [1:37:51] and [1:37:52] below [1:37:52] bawal [1:37:53] po [1:37:53] ang [1:37:53] flavor [1:37:54] descriptors [1:37:54] malaki [1:37:55] po [1:37:55] ang [1:37:56] penalty [1:37:56] sa [1:37:56] paglabag [1:37:57] sa [1:37:57] batas [1:37:57] ng [1:37:57] 11 [1:37:58] 900 [1:37:58] yun [1:38:00] po [1:38:00] ang [1:38:00] sa amin [1:38:01] eh [1:38:01] parang [1:38:02] nadadamay [1:38:03] po [1:38:04] kami [1:38:04] sa [1:38:05] illicit [1:38:05] products [1:38:06] na pag [1:38:07] maganda [1:38:08] naman po [1:38:08] lahat [1:38:08] po [1:38:09] ng [1:38:09] mga [1:38:09] sinasabi [1:38:09] dito [1:38:10] maganda [1:38:10] po [1:38:11] ang [1:38:11] intention [1:38:12] maganda [1:38:13] po [1:38:13] ang [1:38:13] hangarin [1:38:14] pero po [1:38:15] pag [1:38:16] sinabi [1:38:16] nating [1:38:17] ban [1:38:17] ang [1:38:18] illicit [1:38:18] industry [1:38:20] po [1:38:20] they [1:38:21] work [1:38:21] outside [1:38:22] the [1:38:22] regulatory [1:38:23] framework [1:38:23] wala po [1:38:24] silang [1:38:24] pakialam [1:38:25] kung [1:38:25] gawin [1:38:26] natin [1:38:26] 25 [1:38:27] o [1:38:27] 28 [1:38:28] ang [1:38:28] minimum [1:38:29] age [1:38:29] requirement [1:38:29] gawin [1:38:30] natin [1:38:30] 31 [1:38:30] hindi [1:38:31] nila [1:38:31] pinapansin [1:38:32] yan [1:38:32] pag [1:38:33] bawalan [1:38:34] natin [1:38:34] ang [1:38:34] mga [1:38:34] flavors [1:38:35] hindi [1:38:35] rin [1:38:35] nila [1:38:35] pinapansin [1:38:36] yan [1:38:36] dahil [1:38:36] nga [1:38:37] hindi [1:38:37] sila [1:38:37] sumusunod [1:38:38] hindi [1:38:38] sila [1:38:38] nagbabahid [1:38:39] ng [1:38:39] tax [1:38:39] hindi [1:38:40] po [1:38:40] sila [1:38:40] dumadan [1:38:41] sa [1:38:41] DTI [1:38:41] sila [1:38:42] po [1:38:42] dumidiretso [1:38:43] sa [1:38:43] merkado [1:38:43] so [1:38:44] kami [1:38:44] po [1:38:45] parang [1:38:45] we [1:38:48] want [1:38:48] just [1:38:48] to be [1:38:49] treated [1:38:50] na may [1:38:52] konting [1:38:52] balance [1:38:54] like [1:38:54] we [1:38:55] support [1:38:56] the [1:38:56] fight [1:38:58] against [1:38:58] youth [1:38:58] uptake [1:38:59] pero [1:39:00] we [1:39:00] also [1:39:01] need [1:39:01] the [1:39:02] support [1:39:02] of [1:39:03] government [1:39:03] para [1:39:04] sa [1:39:04] mga [1:39:04] adult [1:39:05] smokers [1:39:05] nakatulad [1:39:06] po [1:39:06] namin [1:39:06] ako [1:39:07] for [1:39:07] example [1:39:08] po [1:39:08] ito [1:39:10] po [1:39:10] na [1:39:10] research [1:39:11] ko [1:39:12] I think [1:39:12] I've been [1:39:13] a smoker [1:39:14] for a [1:39:14] long [1:39:14] time [1:39:15] I [1:39:15] quit [1:39:16] and [1:39:17] used [1:39:17] vapes [1:39:17] and [1:39:18] I [1:39:18] researched [1:39:19] tapos [1:39:20] based on [1:39:21] mga [1:39:21] medical [1:39:23] tests [1:39:23] ko [1:39:23] it is [1:39:24] effective [1:39:25] sa akin [1:39:25] so [1:39:27] pag [1:39:27] binan [1:39:28] po [1:39:28] saan [1:39:29] pupunta [1:39:30] mga [1:39:30] taong [1:39:30] katulad [1:39:31] namin [1:39:31] there [1:39:32] are [1:39:32] more or [1:39:33] less [1:39:33] 2 [1:39:33] million [1:39:34] plus [1:39:34] users [1:39:34] in [1:39:34] the [1:39:35] country [1:39:35] today [1:39:35] pag [1:39:36] po [1:39:36] binan [1:39:37] natin [1:39:37] sa [1:39:37] illicit [1:39:38] pupunta [1:39:38] yan [1:39:39] dahil [1:39:40] kahit [1:39:40] ako [1:39:40] naisip [1:39:41] kong [1:39:41] pinag-uusapan [1:39:43] ng [1:39:43] ban [1:39:43] paano [1:39:45] ito [1:39:46] nakakatulong [1:39:47] sa akin [1:39:47] ang [1:39:48] mangyayari [1:39:49] po [1:39:49] ang [1:39:50] vape [1:39:50] po [1:39:50] ilegal [1:39:52] na [1:39:52] produkto [1:39:52] ang [1:39:53] sigarilyo [1:39:53] po [1:39:53] ilegal [1:39:54] na [1:39:54] produkto [1:39:56] parang [1:39:56] naitutulak [1:39:58] po ako [1:39:58] na bumalik [1:39:59] sa [1:39:59] sigarilyo [1:40:00] sana po [1:40:01] lahat [1:40:01] ng tao [1:40:02] may [1:40:02] malakas [1:40:04] ang [1:40:04] self [1:40:04] restraint [1:40:05] may [1:40:06] tayang [1:40:07] pumigil [1:40:07] sa ganyan [1:40:08] pero [1:40:08] hindi [1:40:09] pantay [1:40:09] pantay [1:40:10] ang mga [1:40:10] tao [1:40:10] so [1:40:11] sa amin [1:40:12] po [1:40:12] we have [1:40:14] to make [1:40:14] a good [1:40:16] balance [1:40:17] between [1:40:17] for [1:40:18] government [1:40:18] policies [1:40:19] to be [1:40:19] balanced [1:40:20] to protect [1:40:20] the whole [1:40:21] of society [1:40:22] not just [1:40:23] the youth [1:40:23] ako po [1:40:24] magulang [1:40:25] gaya na [1:40:26] sinabi ko [1:40:26] kanina [1:40:26] na [1:40:27] ayoko po [1:40:28] nagmay [1:40:29] youth [1:40:29] uptake [1:40:30] pero po [1:40:30] para sa [1:40:31] adult [1:40:31] smokers [1:40:32] na kailangan [1:40:32] ng mga [1:40:32] produktong [1:40:33] ito [1:40:33] na para [1:40:34] sa kanila [1:40:34] na pagbasiyan [1:40:35] nila [1:40:36] sa mga [1:40:36] research [1:40:36] studies [1:40:37] na effective [1:40:38] sa kanila [1:40:39] to [1:40:39] para [1:40:39] humaba [1:40:40] ang kanilang [1:40:40] buhay [1:40:40] dapat po [1:40:42] bigyan [1:40:42] ng [1:40:43] access [1:40:43] huwag [1:40:44] masyadong [1:40:45] limitahan [1:40:45] balansihin [1:40:47] lang po [1:40:47] hinihiling [1:40:49] ng [1:40:49] mga [1:40:51] taong [1:40:52] katulad [1:40:52] namin [1:40:52] salamat [1:40:53] po [1:40:53] salamat [1:40:54] din po [1:40:55] Mr. [1:40:56] Dulay [1:40:56] the committee [1:40:57] as one of [1:40:58] as all [1:40:59] other [1:41:00] committees [1:41:00] sa senate [1:41:00] sinishare [1:41:02] po namin [1:41:02] yung [1:41:02] kanyang [1:41:02] pagpapahalaga [1:41:03] sa balanse [1:41:04] in fact [1:41:04] isa po [1:41:05] yun [1:41:05] sa limang [1:41:06] tensions [1:41:07] na sinusubukang [1:41:08] i-resolve [1:41:09] ng bill [1:41:10] na ito [1:41:10] at yung [1:41:11] balanseng [1:41:12] hinahanap [1:41:12] namin [1:41:13] isa sa mga [1:41:13] balanseng [1:41:14] bubuwi [1:41:15] namin [1:41:16] ay yun [1:41:16] na nga [1:41:16] po [1:41:17] sa pagitan [1:41:17] ng [1:41:17] adult [1:41:18] choice [1:41:18] and need [1:41:19] at [1:41:19] saka yung [1:41:20] youth [1:41:20] health [1:41:21] protection [1:41:21] so [1:41:21] salamat [1:41:22] po [1:41:22] Mr. Castillo [1:41:24] Your Honor [1:41:26] I must [1:41:28] emphasize [1:41:30] that I'm not [1:41:30] here to [1:41:31] give position [1:41:32] I only [1:41:32] come here [1:41:33] to provide [1:41:34] some data [1:41:35] and just [1:41:36] a word [1:41:36] of caution [1:41:37] from [1:41:39] FDA [1:41:40] you mentioned [1:41:41] that out [1:41:42] of 10 [1:41:43] ASEAN [1:41:43] countries [1:41:43] there are [1:41:44] only 3 [1:41:44] but what [1:41:45] I think [1:41:46] you have [1:41:46] to present [1:41:47] is the [1:41:47] total [1:41:48] universe [1:41:48] of how [1:41:49] many [1:41:49] countries [1:41:50] actually [1:41:50] impose [1:41:53] bans [1:41:54] and later [1:41:54] on [1:41:55] reverse [1:41:55] the [1:41:55] policy [1:41:56] very [1:41:58] important [1:41:59] in [1:41:59] designing [1:42:00] policy [1:42:00] is the [1:42:01] contextual [1:42:01] analysis [1:42:02] your [1:42:02] honor [1:42:03] so I [1:42:04] would [1:42:04] advise [1:42:05] our [1:42:08] agencies [1:42:09] in the [1:42:09] government [1:42:10] to really [1:42:11] understand [1:42:11] the [1:42:12] context [1:42:12] within [1:42:13] which [1:42:13] these [1:42:14] policy [1:42:15] choices [1:42:15] were [1:42:16] made [1:42:16] and [1:42:17] applied [1:42:17] and [1:42:19] I [1:42:19] think [1:42:19] one [1:42:20] of [1:42:20] the [1:42:20] recommendations [1:42:20] I [1:42:21] could [1:42:21] give [1:42:21] is [1:42:22] that [1:42:22] we [1:42:23] have [1:42:23] to [1:42:23] capacitate [1:42:25] our [1:42:25] agencies [1:42:26] in the [1:42:26] conduct [1:42:26] of [1:42:26] research [1:42:27] when I [1:42:28] look at [1:42:28] the [1:42:29] literature [1:42:29] your [1:42:29] honor [1:42:30] for [1:42:30] example [1:42:30] when I [1:42:31] contemplate [1:42:32] on [1:42:33] age [1:42:33] limit [1:42:34] and [1:42:37] you [1:42:37] look at [1:42:37] the [1:42:37] literature [1:42:38] in [1:42:38] some [1:42:39] studies [1:42:40] in [1:42:40] other [1:42:40] countries [1:42:41] they [1:42:42] have [1:42:42] established [1:42:43] that [1:42:43] youth [1:42:44] initiation [1:42:46] is not [1:42:47] actually [1:42:47] first [1:42:49] on sale [1:42:50] and [1:42:50] online [1:42:50] platform [1:42:51] they are [1:42:51] actually [1:42:52] initiated [1:42:54] through [1:42:54] social [1:42:54] supply [1:42:55] instead [1:42:57] you know [1:42:58] kids [1:42:59] don't [1:43:00] go to [1:43:01] online [1:43:01] platform [1:43:03] and by [1:43:04] vapes [1:43:04] they are [1:43:05] first [1:43:06] initiated [1:43:06] through [1:43:07] social [1:43:07] supply [1:43:08] but [1:43:09] those [1:43:10] are [1:43:10] data [1:43:10] abroad [1:43:11] but [1:43:11] what [1:43:11] is [1:43:12] the [1:43:12] data [1:43:12] in [1:43:12] the [1:43:12] Philippines [1:43:13] I [1:43:13] think [1:43:13] research [1:43:14] funding [1:43:15] has to [1:43:15] be [1:43:15] given [1:43:16] to [1:43:16] our [1:43:16] agencies [1:43:17] so [1:43:17] that [1:43:17] they [1:43:17] could [1:43:18] really [1:43:18] analyze [1:43:18] the [1:43:19] data [1:43:19] on [1:43:19] the [1:43:19] ground [1:43:20] when [1:43:20] you [1:43:21] look [1:43:21] at [1:43:21] the [1:43:21] literature [1:43:22] the [1:43:24] parties [1:43:26] I [1:43:26] mean [1:43:26] those [1:43:27] parties [1:43:28] that [1:43:28] are [1:43:28] dialoging [1:43:29] in [1:43:29] this [1:43:29] policy [1:43:30] discourse [1:43:30] are [1:43:31] both [1:43:32] using [1:43:33] foreign [1:43:34] data [1:43:35] but [1:43:36] remember [1:43:36] this is [1:43:37] policy [1:43:38] and [1:43:38] policy [1:43:39] must [1:43:39] be [1:43:39] context [1:43:40] based [1:43:40] Salamat [1:43:43] Mr. [1:43:44] Castillo [1:43:44] Ang [1:43:45] presumption [1:43:45] ng [1:43:46] committee [1:43:46] and I [1:43:46] think [1:43:47] in the [1:43:48] spirit [1:43:49] of [1:43:49] mutual [1:43:49] respect [1:43:50] it's [1:43:52] reasonable [1:43:53] na [1:43:53] lahat [1:43:54] ng [1:43:54] resource [1:43:55] persons [1:43:56] lahat [1:43:56] ng [1:43:56] stakeholders [1:43:57] around [1:43:57] the [1:43:57] table [1:43:58] presume [1:43:58] na [1:43:59] ang [1:43:59] bawat [1:43:59] isa [1:44:00] ay [1:44:00] nagre-research [1:44:01] ang [1:44:01] bawat [1:44:01] isa [1:44:02] ay [1:44:02] nagdo-document [1:44:03] sa [1:44:04] kanikanilang [1:44:04] shop [1:44:04] I would [1:44:06] say [1:44:06] working [1:44:06] in [1:44:06] government [1:44:07] definitely [1:44:07] yung [1:44:08] mga [1:44:08] nasa [1:44:08] executive [1:44:09] alam [1:44:10] ko [1:44:10] nag-invest [1:44:12] sa research [1:44:13] and development [1:44:13] ang private [1:44:14] sector [1:44:15] civil [1:44:15] society [1:44:16] sa [1:44:17] dekada [1:44:18] ng [1:44:18] pag-engage [1:44:19] sa ganito [1:44:19] mga [1:44:19] advocacies [1:44:20] solidly [1:44:22] founded [1:44:22] din [1:44:22] sa mga [1:44:23] na-degenerate [1:44:24] nilang [1:44:24] mga [1:44:24] research [1:44:25] and [1:44:25] doon po [1:44:26] tayo [1:44:26] nagde-debate [1:44:29] pero [1:44:29] magsusubok [1:44:30] magkaroon [1:44:31] ng [1:44:31] consensus [1:44:32] or [1:44:32] compromise [1:44:33] base [1:44:34] sa [1:44:34] analysis [1:44:34] natin [1:44:35] sa mga [1:44:36] datos [1:44:37] na ito [1:44:37] and [1:44:38] for [1:44:39] sure [1:44:39] where [1:44:40] nagsusubok [1:44:41] tayong [1:44:42] kumuha [1:44:42] ng best [1:44:42] practices [1:44:43] models [1:44:44] kahit [1:44:44] sa ibang [1:44:45] mga [1:44:45] bansa [1:44:45] dito [1:44:46] sa [1:44:46] region [1:44:46] natin [1:44:47] at [1:44:47] sa [1:44:47] buong [1:44:47] mundo [1:44:48] but [1:44:48] for [1:44:49] sure [1:44:49] I have [1:44:49] been [1:44:49] hearing [1:44:50] since [1:44:50] the [1:44:50] last [1:44:50] hearing [1:44:51] very [1:44:52] Philippines [1:44:53] context [1:44:55] ang [1:44:55] mahalagang [1:44:57] datos [1:44:57] din na [1:44:57] ibinabahagi [1:44:59] so [1:45:00] thank you [1:45:00] for that [1:45:01] I think [1:45:01] hindi yan [1:45:02] bago [1:45:02] sa lahat [1:45:03] pero [1:45:03] affirmation [1:45:04] ng [1:45:04] sinusubukan [1:45:05] ng gawin [1:45:06] ng mga [1:45:06] stakeholders [1:45:07] so [1:45:08] Mr. [1:45:08] De Golasyon [1:45:09] and then [1:45:10] si [1:45:10] Mr. [1:45:11] Israel [1:45:11] Madam Chair [1:45:13] thank you [1:45:13] very much [1:45:14] talking about [1:45:15] research [1:45:15] we in [1:45:16] health [1:45:16] justice [1:45:17] and other [1:45:17] public [1:45:17] health [1:45:18] advocates [1:45:18] have [1:45:19] already [1:45:19] filed [1:45:19] complaints [1:45:20] before [1:45:20] the [1:45:20] DDI [1:45:21] about [1:45:22] violations [1:45:23] of the [1:45:24] law [1:45:24] that [1:45:24] we are [1:45:25] precisely [1:45:26] discussing [1:45:27] this [1:45:27] morning [1:45:28] we saw [1:45:29] that [1:45:29] even [1:45:30] those [1:45:30] who [1:45:31] are [1:45:31] quote [1:45:31] unquote [1:45:32] accredited [1:45:33] are [1:45:34] actually [1:45:34] violating [1:45:35] advertising [1:45:36] or [1:45:37] promotional [1:45:37] provisions [1:45:39] of the [1:45:40] law [1:45:41] and they [1:45:42] are [1:45:42] actually [1:45:42] stretching [1:45:43] it [1:45:43] through [1:45:44] what [1:45:44] the [1:45:45] DOH [1:45:45] mentioned [1:45:45] earlier [1:45:46] through [1:45:46] promotions [1:45:47] influencers [1:45:48] and [1:45:49] collaborations [1:45:50] that we [1:45:51] have [1:45:51] clearly [1:45:51] documented [1:45:52] and [1:45:53] submitted [1:45:53] to the [1:45:53] DTI [1:45:54] however [1:45:55] we'd like [1:45:55] to note [1:45:56] that out [1:45:57] of our [1:45:57] five [1:45:58] cases [1:46:00] that we [1:46:00] have [1:46:00] filed [1:46:01] or complaints [1:46:01] that we [1:46:02] have [1:46:02] filed [1:46:02] only one [1:46:03] has been [1:46:03] acted [1:46:03] upon [1:46:04] by the [1:46:04] DTI [1:46:05] and [1:46:06] we [1:46:06] remain [1:46:07] and we [1:46:07] continue [1:46:08] to document [1:46:08] violations [1:46:09] online [1:46:10] not only [1:46:11] through sales [1:46:12] but also [1:46:13] through [1:46:13] marketing [1:46:14] and [1:46:14] promotions [1:46:15] out of [1:46:17] thin air [1:46:18] or out [1:46:19] of any [1:46:19] kind of [1:46:20] assumption [1:46:20] or even [1:46:21] out of [1:46:21] any [1:46:22] foreign [1:46:22] claims [1:46:25] this is [1:46:25] actual [1:46:26] experience [1:46:27] of our [1:46:27] advocates [1:46:28] our youth [1:46:28] groups [1:46:29] on the [1:46:29] ground [1:46:30] and we [1:46:31] would also [1:46:31] like to [1:46:32] share [1:46:32] that [1:46:33] we [1:46:33] think [1:46:34] that [1:46:34] RA [1:46:34] 11 [1:46:35] 900 [1:46:36] as much [1:46:36] as we [1:46:37] think [1:46:38] that it [1:46:38] is a [1:46:39] good [1:46:39] framework [1:46:39] has [1:46:40] actually [1:46:40] failed [1:46:41] and [1:46:42] that [1:46:42] is [1:46:42] why [1:46:42] we [1:46:43] are [1:46:44] challenging [1:46:45] and [1:46:45] we'd [1:46:45] like [1:46:46] to [1:46:46] address [1:46:46] support [1:46:47] the [1:46:48] position [1:46:50] that [1:46:51] a [1:46:51] total [1:46:51] ban [1:46:52] is [1:46:52] the [1:46:53] next [1:46:53] step [1:46:54] that [1:46:54] the [1:46:54] Senate [1:46:54] should [1:46:55] take [1:46:55] and [1:46:57] our [1:46:57] legislator [1:46:57] should [1:46:58] really [1:46:58] take [1:46:59] into [1:46:59] consideration [1:46:59] Thank you [1:47:00] Thank you [1:47:02] Mr. [1:47:02] De Goliacion [1:47:03] Bago [1:47:04] ako [1:47:05] dumako [1:47:06] naman [1:47:06] sa [1:47:06] enforcement [1:47:07] question [1:47:08] si [1:47:08] Mr. [1:47:08] Israel [1:47:09] may silamang [1:47:09] po ito [1:47:10] tungkol [1:47:10] sa mga [1:47:11] data [1:47:11] marami [1:47:12] patutuo [1:47:13] na pinangahawakan [1:47:15] yung NCUP [1:47:15] na nagpapatibay [1:47:17] na natulungan [1:47:18] ng paggamit [1:47:20] ng DNP [1:47:20] o vaping [1:47:21] products [1:47:22] ang kalusugan [1:47:23] magmula [1:47:24] sa mga edad [1:47:25] 21 [1:47:26] hanggang [1:47:27] 60 [1:47:28] anyos [1:47:28] meron po [1:47:29] kaming patutuo [1:47:30] dalawa [1:47:31] po yan [1:47:31] na heavy [1:47:33] smoker [1:47:33] gumamit [1:47:34] ng [1:47:35] vaporized [1:47:35] nicotine [1:47:36] hanggang [1:47:37] sa natutunan [1:47:38] niyang [1:47:38] bitawan [1:47:39] ang [1:47:39] both [1:47:40] paggamit [1:47:41] ng [1:47:42] DNP [1:47:42] at [1:47:43] sigarilyo [1:47:43] available [1:47:44] po yung [1:47:45] data [1:47:45] namin [1:47:45] kung [1:47:46] inyo [1:47:47] pong [1:47:47] hihilingin [1:47:48] thank you [1:47:49] po [1:47:49] yes [1:47:50] ipagpapasalamat [1:47:51] po ng [1:47:51] komite [1:47:51] ibigay nyo [1:47:52] rin po [1:47:52] sa amin [1:47:52] salamat [1:47:53] po [1:47:53] alright [1:47:54] dako [1:47:55] na tayo [1:47:55] dun sa [1:47:56] enforcement [1:47:57] so [1:47:58] syempre [1:47:58] DTI [1:47:59] and of course [1:48:00] our law [1:48:00] enforcement [1:48:01] agencies [1:48:02] kung [1:48:03] tuloy-tuloy [1:48:04] pa rin [1:48:04] po [1:48:04] yung mga [1:48:05] violations [1:48:06] online [1:48:07] at saka [1:48:07] sa mga [1:48:07] tindahan [1:48:08] efektibo [1:48:10] nga ba [1:48:10] ang batas [1:48:11] o [1:48:11] maganda [1:48:12] lang [1:48:12] siya [1:48:12] sa [1:48:12] papel [1:48:13] attorney [1:48:14] freddy [1:48:14] swenda [1:48:15] okay [1:48:15] madam chair [1:48:17] ang [1:48:19] inquiry [1:48:20] po [1:48:20] is [1:48:20] kung [1:48:20] tuloy-tuloy [1:48:21] po [1:48:21] ang [1:48:21] binabase [1:48:24] ko [1:48:24] na po [1:48:24] dun sa [1:48:25] mga [1:48:25] patotoo nga [1:48:26] na tuloy-tuloy [1:48:27] po yung [1:48:27] violations [1:48:28] so [1:48:29] maganda lang [1:48:30] ba sa papel [1:48:31] yung batas [1:48:32] o pwede pa rin [1:48:33] ba nating [1:48:33] sabihin [1:48:33] na efektibo [1:48:34] siya [1:48:35] kasi [1:48:37] kami [1:48:37] ang DTI [1:48:38] is [1:48:38] daily [1:48:39] po [1:48:39] may monitoring [1:48:40] activity [1:48:41] siguro [1:48:43] yung [1:48:43] sinasabi [1:48:43] ni sir [1:48:44] is [1:48:45] baka [1:48:46] once [1:48:46] na-takedown [1:48:47] po namin [1:48:48] baka [1:48:48] bumabalik [1:48:49] agad [1:48:49] yung [1:48:49] isang [1:48:51] illegal [1:48:51] online [1:48:53] seller [1:48:53] kasi [1:48:55] marami po [1:48:55] kaming [1:48:56] takedown [1:48:56] orders [1:48:57] na [1:48:57] nasi-send [1:48:58] po [1:48:58] sa [1:48:58] bawat [1:49:00] digital [1:49:01] platforms [1:49:02] at saka [1:49:02] as per [1:49:04] hour [1:49:04] records [1:49:05] nati-takedown [1:49:06] naman po [1:49:07] ng mga [1:49:08] stakeholders [1:49:09] po [1:49:09] ng mga [1:49:09] digital [1:49:10] platforms [1:49:11] salamat [1:49:16] attorney [1:49:16] thank you [1:49:17] po [1:49:17] okay [1:49:17] so [1:49:18] sa ating [1:49:19] mga [1:49:19] enforcement [1:49:20] agencies [1:49:20] din po [1:49:21] PNP [1:49:22] NBI [1:49:23] PIDEA [1:49:24] at saka [1:49:25] Bureau [1:49:26] of [1:49:26] Customs [1:49:27] pagpapatuloy [1:49:29] dun sa [1:49:30] reflection [1:49:31] in a way [1:49:31] it's a [1:49:31] self-criticism [1:49:32] and [1:49:32] ano ah [1:49:33] ang pinaka-onus [1:49:35] hindi pa sa [1:49:35] kung sino mang [1:49:36] stakeholder [1:49:37] around the table [1:49:38] tinatanong ko po [1:49:39] ito [1:49:40] at pinakikinggan [1:49:41] yung mga [1:49:41] sagot [1:49:42] kasi the [1:49:43] onus is [1:49:43] right now [1:49:44] mostly on us [1:49:45] legislators [1:49:47] kung paano [1:49:48] ba namin [1:49:48] ma [1:49:49] ma [1:49:50] a-amiendahan [1:49:51] mapapalakas [1:49:55] yung batas [1:49:56] na ito [1:49:56] for the [1:49:57] better [1:49:57] health [1:49:58] outcomes [1:49:59] so [1:49:59] sa ating [1:49:59] mga [1:49:59] law [1:50:00] enforcers [1:50:00] nagde-desenyo [1:50:02] ba tayo [1:50:02] ng mga [1:50:03] batas [1:50:03] na talagang [1:50:04] na-enforce [1:50:06] o [1:50:07] mga batas [1:50:08] na [1:50:08] nagmumuka [1:50:09] lang [1:50:09] na sapat [1:50:09] gusto bang [1:50:13] i-address [1:50:14] ni [1:50:14] colonel [1:50:16] asmod [1:50:16] o ni [1:50:17] attorney [1:50:18] dr. [1:50:18] chua [1:50:19] o ni [1:50:19] attorney [1:50:20] jacqueline [1:50:20] o ni [1:50:21] attorney [1:50:21] de la [1:50:22] cruz [1:50:22] yes [1:50:27] attorney [1:50:28] de la [1:50:28] cruz [1:50:28] madam [1:50:34] chair [1:50:34] in reality [1:50:38] sa ground [1:50:39] po [1:50:39] meron po [1:50:39] talagang [1:50:40] pumapasok [1:50:40] ng mga [1:50:41] unregistered [1:50:42] unregistered [1:50:43] undeclared [1:50:44] misdeclared [1:50:45] that is the [1:50:47] reality [1:50:47] sa [1:50:48] supply and [1:50:51] commercial [1:50:51] chain [1:50:52] part [1:50:53] ng bureau [1:50:53] of custom [1:50:54] as a matter of [1:50:55] pack [1:50:55] po [1:50:55] madam [1:50:56] chair [1:50:56] for the [1:50:57] current [1:50:58] year [1:50:58] meron po [1:50:59] aming [1:50:59] significant [1:51:00] apprehension [1:51:01] ng mga [1:51:01] unregistered [1:51:02] this was [1:51:03] just [1:51:04] last [1:51:05] march [1:51:06] 21 [1:51:07] and [1:51:09] the [1:51:11] place of [1:51:12] apprehension [1:51:12] is within [1:51:13] metro [1:51:13] manila [1:51:14] particularly [1:51:14] in [1:51:15] labota [1:51:15] city [1:51:16] and the [1:51:17] amount [1:51:18] computed [1:51:19] by our [1:51:20] customs [1:51:20] examiner [1:51:21] it amounted [1:51:22] to [1:51:23] 1.4 [1:51:23] billion [1:51:24] pesos [1:51:25] this is [1:51:26] the most [1:51:26] recent [1:51:27] apprehension [1:51:27] of unregistered [1:51:29] products [1:51:30] initiated [1:51:31] by our [1:51:32] agency [1:51:33] madam [1:51:33] chair [1:51:34] and [1:51:34] so [1:51:36] considering [1:51:37] also [1:51:38] the [1:51:38] past [1:51:39] years [1:51:39] and [1:51:39] the [1:51:40] higher [1:51:41] volume [1:51:41] of [1:51:42] apprehension [1:51:42] inside [1:51:43] the [1:51:43] ports [1:51:44] and [1:51:45] also [1:51:47] apprehensions [1:51:48] made [1:51:48] outside [1:51:49] the [1:51:49] ports [1:51:49] pursuant [1:51:50] to [1:51:51] the [1:51:51] power [1:51:53] of [1:51:53] our [1:51:54] agency [1:51:54] in [1:51:57] conclusion [1:51:57] there [1:52:01] is [1:52:01] still [1:52:02] a [1:52:02] high [1:52:02] demand [1:52:03] for [1:52:03] unregistered [1:52:04] products [1:52:05] and [1:52:05] it [1:52:07] is [1:52:07] safe [1:52:07] to [1:52:07] say [1:52:07] na [1:52:08] talagang [1:52:08] meron [1:52:09] pa [1:52:09] rin [1:52:10] pong [1:52:10] relatively [1:52:11] high [1:52:11] volume [1:52:11] of [1:52:12] proliferation [1:52:12] sa [1:52:13] free [1:52:14] market [1:52:14] or [1:52:15] sa [1:52:15] other [1:52:17] avenues [1:52:17] na [1:52:18] kasi [1:52:18] madam [1:52:19] chair [1:52:20] yung [1:52:20] mga [1:52:20] nahuhuli [1:52:21] po [1:52:21] namin [1:52:21] is [1:52:21] inside [1:52:22] the [1:52:22] warehouses [1:52:23] so [1:52:23] ultimately [1:52:24] I believe [1:52:26] it is [1:52:28] fair to [1:52:28] safe [1:52:29] and [1:52:29] safe [1:52:30] to [1:52:30] conclude [1:52:30] na [1:52:30] it [1:52:31] will [1:52:31] end up [1:52:32] also [1:52:32] being [1:52:33] sold [1:52:33] online [1:52:34] yung [1:52:34] mga [1:52:34] nahuhuli [1:52:35] po [1:52:35] sa [1:52:35] mga [1:52:37] warehouses [1:52:37] ng [1:52:38] Bureau [1:52:38] of [1:52:38] Customs [1:52:39] Salamat [1:52:44] Attorney [1:52:44] De La Cruz [1:52:45] At [1:52:45] sa [1:52:45] kabuang [1:52:47] mga [1:52:47] violations [1:52:47] ilan [1:52:48] sa [1:52:48] mga [1:52:48] ngayon [1:52:49] ay [1:52:49] aktual [1:52:50] na [1:52:50] nagre-resulta [1:52:51] sa [1:52:51] pagpapasara [1:52:52] sa [1:52:52] meaningful [1:52:53] penalty [1:52:54] sa [1:52:54] karanasan [1:52:54] ng [1:52:55] Bureau [1:52:55] Yes [1:52:58] Madam [1:52:58] Chels [1:52:59] if we [1:53:00] initiate [1:53:00] the [1:53:01] apprehension [1:53:02] it will [1:53:03] result [1:53:03] to [1:53:03] the [1:53:04] seizure [1:53:05] proceedings [1:53:06] and [1:53:06] eventually [1:53:06] it will [1:53:08] be [1:53:08] forfeited [1:53:09] confiscated [1:53:10] in [1:53:10] favor [1:53:10] of [1:53:10] the [1:53:10] government [1:53:11] and [1:53:11] in [1:53:12] coordination [1:53:12] with [1:53:13] DNR [1:53:14] and [1:53:14] DTI [1:53:14] kasi [1:53:16] po [1:53:16] yung [1:53:17] pag-destroy [1:53:17] ng mga [1:53:18] ganitong [1:53:18] products [1:53:19] kinocoordinate [1:53:20] po [1:53:20] namin [1:53:20] sa [1:53:20] regulatory [1:53:21] agency [1:53:21] also [1:53:24] with [1:53:25] respect [1:53:25] sa [1:53:25] criminal [1:53:26] aspect [1:53:26] I [1:53:26] believe [1:53:27] meron [1:53:28] naman [1:53:28] din [1:53:28] po [1:53:28] mga [1:53:28] nakasuan [1:53:29] ng [1:53:29] aming [1:53:30] agency [1:53:30] for [1:53:31] illegal [1:53:32] importation [1:53:33] ng [1:53:33] unregistered [1:53:34] products [1:53:35] or [1:53:35] undeclared [1:53:37] pagka [1:53:37] meron [1:53:37] mga [1:53:38] import [1:53:38] entry [1:53:38] Dito [1:53:43] po [1:53:44] sa [1:53:44] data [1:53:44] namin [1:53:46] Madam [1:53:46] Chair [1:53:47] for [1:53:48] the 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this [2:02:14] allows [2:02:15] thank [2:02:15] you [2:02:15] madam [2:02:15] chair [2:02:16] so [2:02:17] may [2:02:17] interplay [2:02:18] among [2:02:18] the [2:02:19] different [2:02:19] characteristics [2:02:20] ng [2:02:21] vape [2:02:21] products [2:02:21] na [2:02:21] pinag-uusapan [2:02:22] natin [2:02:23] sa [2:02:23] ngayon [2:02:23] Mr. [2:02:24] Dulay [2:02:25] would like [2:02:25] to interject [2:02:26] followed [2:02:26] by Mr. [2:02:26] Castillo [2:02:27] Yes ma'am [2:02:28] Idagdag [2:02:29] ko lang po [2:02:29] sa tanong [2:02:30] kanina [2:02:30] sa mga [2:02:31] law enforcement [2:02:32] agencies [2:02:33] na [2:02:33] kung [2:02:34] effective [2:02:35] ba [2:02:36] yung [2:02:36] law [2:02:37] I'll [2:02:39] give [2:02:39] an [2:02:40] example [2:02:40] kasi [2:02:42] wala po [2:02:42] yung [2:02:42] BIR [2:02:43] dito [2:02:43] ngayon [2:02:43] parang [2:02:44] di ko [2:02:44] sila [2:02:44] napansin [2:02:46] Actually [2:02:47] Mr. [2:02:48] Dulay [2:02:48] they're [2:02:48] here [2:02:49] so [2:02:49] please [2:02:49] proceed [2:02:50] as [2:02:50] pwede [2:02:50] kong [2:02:50] itanong [2:02:50] sa [2:02:51] kanila [2:02:51] last year [2:02:53] po [2:02:53] nag [2:02:54] heightened [2:02:54] enforcement [2:02:55] ang [2:02:55] BIR [2:02:56] kasama [2:02:57] na rin [2:02:57] po [2:02:58] ang [2:02:58] DTI [2:02:58] for [2:03:00] like [2:03:00] 6 [2:03:00] months [2:03:01] talaga [2:03:01] heightened [2:03:01] yung [2:03:02] 6 [2:03:02] months [2:03:03] yun [2:03:03] medyo [2:03:04] nag [2:03:04] natigil [2:03:05] nung [2:03:05] December [2:03:06] of [2:03:06] 2025 [2:03:07] but [2:03:08] within [2:03:08] those [2:03:09] 6 [2:03:09] months [2:03:09] talaga [2:03:10] po [2:03:10] speaking [2:03:11] from the [2:03:11] ground [2:03:12] dahil kami [2:03:12] po [2:03:12] ang [2:03:13] nandyan [2:03:13] parate [2:03:14] sa mga [2:03:14] tindahan [2:03:15] sa mga [2:03:15] mga [2:03:16] bentahan [2:03:16] nakita [2:03:17] namin [2:03:17] na [2:03:18] halos [2:03:18] nawala [2:03:19] ang mga [2:03:19] illicit [2:03:20] sellers [2:03:21] dahil [2:03:22] magandang [2:03:23] enforcement [2:03:24] na ginawa [2:03:24] ng [2:03:24] BIR [2:03:25] at [2:03:25] ng [2:03:25] DTI [2:03:26] siguro [2:03:27] po [2:03:27] pati [2:03:27] kang [2:03:28] customs [2:03:28] yun po [2:03:30] ibig sabihin [2:03:32] ang [2:03:32] RA 11900 [2:03:33] is effective [2:03:34] enough [2:03:35] to [2:03:36] calm [2:03:38] our [2:03:39] fears [2:03:39] dito [2:03:40] dahil [2:03:40] nga [2:03:41] ang mga [2:03:42] nagbebenta [2:03:43] nito [2:03:43] na [2:03:43] illegal [2:03:43] sila [2:03:44] po [2:03:44] yung [2:03:44] hindi [2:03:45] sumusunod [2:03:46] sa batas [2:03:46] sila [2:03:47] yung [2:03:47] illegal [2:03:47] sellers [2:03:47] they [2:03:48] don't [2:03:48] care [2:03:48] about [2:03:48] flavors [2:03:49] how [2:03:49] they [2:03:50] present [2:03:50] their [2:03:50] flavors [2:03:50] hindi [2:03:51] sila [2:03:51] naglalagay [2:03:52] ng [2:03:53] tax [2:03:53] stamp [2:03:53] saka [2:03:54] yung [2:03:54] kanilang [2:03:55] mga [2:03:55] napakitang [2:03:56] napanood [2:03:57] ko [2:03:58] sa live [2:04:00] stream [2:04:00] ng [2:04:00] senate [2:04:01] yung [2:04:01] mga [2:04:01] pinakitang [2:04:02] pictures [2:04:02] na [2:04:02] meron [2:04:03] mga [2:04:04] kaakit-akit [2:04:06] na kulay [2:04:06] kaakit-akit [2:04:08] na mga [2:04:08] itsura [2:04:09] na mga [2:04:10] flavors [2:04:10] hindi [2:04:11] po [2:04:11] yun [2:04:12] ang [2:04:12] binibenta [2:04:13] at [2:04:13] ina-approve [2:04:14] ng [2:04:14] DTI [2:04:15] saka [2:04:15] ng [2:04:15] BIR [2:04:16] so [2:04:17] if [2:04:17] heightened [2:04:19] enforcement [2:04:20] nagbibigay [2:04:22] po [2:04:22] ng [2:04:22] ganitong [2:04:23] napakagandang [2:04:24] resulta [2:04:24] siguro [2:04:25] po [2:04:25] it's [2:04:26] just [2:04:26] a matter [2:04:27] of [2:04:27] parang [2:04:29] maisib [2:04:29] na lang [2:04:29] natin [2:04:29] but [2:04:30] hindi [2:04:30] natin [2:04:30] ituloy-tuloy [2:04:31] itong [2:04:31] heightened [2:04:32] enforcement [2:04:32] I think [2:04:33] the [2:04:33] BIR [2:04:34] and [2:04:34] the [2:04:34] DTI [2:04:35] are [2:04:35] capable [2:04:35] of [2:04:36] doing [2:04:37] this [2:04:38] kind [2:04:38] of [2:04:38] activities [2:04:39] so [2:04:40] palagay ko [2:04:41] mawawala [2:04:42] yung [2:04:42] if not [2:04:44] malesa [2:04:44] natin [2:04:44] ng [2:04:44] malaki [2:04:45] itong [2:04:46] problem [2:04:46] natin [2:04:46] of [2:04:47] illicit [2:04:47] trade [2:04:47] which [2:04:48] in turn [2:04:49] nagkakaroon [2:04:50] ng [2:04:50] problema [2:04:50] tayo [2:04:51] sa [2:04:51] youth [2:04:51] uptake [2:04:52] kasi [2:04:52] hindi [2:04:53] nga [2:04:53] sila [2:04:53] sumusunod [2:04:54] sa [2:04:54] batas [2:04:54] wala [2:04:55] sila [2:04:55] they don't [2:04:57] work within [2:04:57] the regulatory [2:04:58] framework [2:04:59] so they don't [2:05:00] care about [2:05:01] what we [2:05:01] actually say [2:05:02] here [2:05:02] sa [2:05:03] paggawa [2:05:04] ng [2:05:04] batas [2:05:04] kasi [2:05:05] hindi po [2:05:05] sila [2:05:06] sumusunod [2:05:06] so [2:05:07] yung bang [2:05:08] tanggalin [2:05:09] natin [2:05:09] ng [2:05:09] flavor [2:05:10] or [2:05:11] gawin [2:05:11] natin [2:05:11] 25 [2:05:12] years [2:05:12] ang [2:05:12] legal [2:05:15] age [2:05:16] to [2:05:16] buy [2:05:17] vapes [2:05:17] pwede [2:05:18] po [2:05:18] natin [2:05:19] gawin [2:05:19] yun [2:05:19] pero [2:05:20] ang [2:05:21] ma-drive [2:05:22] lang [2:05:23] po [2:05:23] natin [2:05:23] mostly [2:05:24] yung mga [2:05:25] problem [2:05:25] pag [2:05:25] ginawa [2:05:26] natin [2:05:26] tobacco [2:05:26] flavor [2:05:27] lang [2:05:27] eh [2:05:28] sa [2:05:28] illicit [2:05:28] market [2:05:29] sa [2:05:30] katutak [2:05:30] po [2:05:30] na [2:05:30] flavors [2:05:31] baka [2:05:32] po [2:05:32] yung [2:05:32] intention [2:05:33] po [2:05:33] ng [2:05:34] ginagawa [2:05:35] natin [2:05:35] at [2:05:35] mga [2:05:36] mga [2:05:37] ipinapasok [2:05:38] sana [2:05:39] natin [2:05:39] na [2:05:39] amendments [2:05:40] or [2:05:40] ano [2:05:41] sa [2:05:41] batas [2:05:41] baka [2:05:42] hindi [2:05:42] po [2:05:42] maganda [2:05:43] ang [2:05:43] maging [2:05:44] result [2:05:44] baka [2:05:45] po [2:05:45] mapunta [2:05:46] lang [2:05:46] tayo [2:05:46] sa [2:05:47] illicit [2:05:47] market [2:05:47] mostly [2:05:48] hindi [2:05:49] pa [2:05:49] po [2:05:49] makikinabang [2:05:50] ang [2:05:50] gobyerno [2:05:51] ang [2:05:51] BIR [2:05:52] hindi [2:05:52] rin [2:05:52] po [2:05:52] makakakuha [2:05:53] ng [2:05:53] taxes [2:05:54] dahil [2:05:55] po [2:05:55] wala [2:05:55] talagang [2:05:57] bumibili [2:05:58] ng [2:05:58] tax [2:05:59] stamps [2:05:59] from [2:05:59] the [2:06:00] illicit [2:06:01] they [2:06:01] don't [2:06:01] care [2:06:01] about [2:06:02] yung [2:06:02] rules [2:06:03] and [2:06:03] laws [2:06:04] of [2:06:04] the [2:06:04] government [2:06:05] so [2:06:05] for [2:06:07] my [2:06:07] last [2:06:07] ano [2:06:07] yung [2:06:08] talagang [2:06:08] enforcement [2:06:09] po [2:06:09] heightened [2:06:10] enforcement [2:06:11] and [2:06:11] RA 11900 [2:06:13] will do [2:06:13] its job [2:06:14] thank you [2:06:15] po [2:06:15] thank you [2:06:16] rin [2:06:16] mr. [2:06:17] Dulay [2:06:17] merong [2:06:19] kayong [2:06:20] sinabing [2:06:20] napaka [2:06:20] importante [2:06:21] sabi [2:06:23] nyo [2:06:23] yung [2:06:23] mga [2:06:23] illicit [2:06:24] they [2:06:24] don't [2:06:25] care [2:06:25] well [2:06:26] yun [2:06:26] ang [2:06:27] diferentsya [2:06:27] nating [2:06:27] lahat [2:06:28] around [2:06:28] this [2:06:28] table [2:06:29] we [2:06:29] do [2:06:29] care [2:06:30] meron [2:06:31] lang [2:06:32] ilang [2:06:33] mga [2:06:33] interest [2:06:34] nag [2:06:34] agree [2:06:37] sa isa [2:06:38] at isa [2:06:38] meron [2:06:38] ding [2:06:39] push [2:06:39] and [2:06:39] pull [2:06:39] among [2:06:40] others [2:06:40] kaya [2:06:40] sinabi [2:06:41] ko [2:06:41] kanina [2:06:41] yung [2:06:42] balance [2:06:42] yan [2:06:42] na [2:06:43] hinahanap [2:06:43] ng [2:06:43] committee [2:06:44] or [2:06:44] mga [2:06:44] committee [2:06:44] this [2:06:46] bill [2:06:46] was [2:06:47] actually [2:06:47] referred [2:06:47] to [2:06:48] not [2:06:48] just [2:06:48] one [2:06:49] health [2:06:49] committee [2:06:50] three [2:06:50] health [2:06:52] trade [2:06:52] and [2:06:52] industry [2:06:53] at [2:06:54] basic [2:06:54] education [2:06:55] so [2:06:56] and as I [2:06:57] said [2:06:57] earlier [2:06:58] ang [2:06:59] pakiramdam [2:06:59] ko [2:06:59] the [2:06:59] onus [2:07:00] is [2:07:00] right [2:07:01] now [2:07:01] mostly [2:07:01] on [2:07:02] us [2:07:02] legislators [2:07:03] to come [2:07:04] up [2:07:04] with [2:07:04] the [2:07:04] best [2:07:04] possible [2:07:05] amendment [2:07:06] or [2:07:07] change [2:07:07] to [2:07:08] the [2:07:08] law [2:07:09] meeting [2:07:10] those [2:07:10] different [2:07:11] interests [2:07:12] primarily [2:07:13] sa [2:07:13] kalusugan [2:07:14] and [2:07:15] secondarily [2:07:16] per [2:07:16] referral [2:07:17] sa [2:07:18] mga [2:07:18] committee [2:07:19] namin [2:07:19] dito [2:07:19] sa [2:07:19] Senado [2:07:20] secondarily [2:07:21] trade [2:07:21] and [2:07:22] industry [2:07:22] at [2:07:22] saka [2:07:22] yung [2:07:23] basic [2:07:24] education [2:07:25] so [2:07:26] I'm [2:07:26] counting [2:07:27] on [2:07:27] PESIA [2:07:28] to [2:07:29] stay [2:07:30] with [2:07:30] the [2:07:30] process [2:07:30] hanggang [2:07:31] sa [2:07:31] TWG [2:07:32] kasi [2:07:32] pili [2:07:33] talaga [2:07:33] naming [2:07:34] susubukan [2:07:34] na [2:07:35] mabalance [2:07:35] itong [2:07:36] mga [2:07:36] tensions [2:07:37] na [2:07:37] ito [2:07:38] so [2:07:38] yun [2:07:39] po [2:07:39] before [2:07:40] we [2:07:41] move [2:07:42] on [2:07:42] so [2:07:42] Mr. [2:07:43] Castillo [2:07:43] Your [2:07:45] Honor [2:07:45] I don't [2:07:46] want [2:07:46] to [2:07:46] sound [2:07:46] repetitive [2:07:47] but [2:07:48] in [2:07:48] my [2:07:48] years [2:07:49] of [2:07:49] study [2:07:50] of [2:07:51] public [2:07:51] policies [2:07:52] and [2:07:52] I [2:07:53] also [2:07:53] teach [2:07:53] this [2:07:54] in [2:07:54] various [2:07:55] educational [2:07:55] institutions [2:07:56] and [2:07:57] I [2:07:58] want [2:07:58] to [2:07:59] express [2:08:01] my [2:08:01] sympathy [2:08:02] to [2:08:02] our [2:08:03] law [2:08:03] enforcement [2:08:03] agencies [2:08:04] because [2:08:04] I'm [2:08:05] familiar [2:08:05] with [2:08:06] their [2:08:06] terrain [2:08:06] because [2:08:07] I [2:08:07] also [2:08:08] used [2:08:08] to [2:08:08] teach [2:08:08] for [2:08:09] the [2:08:09] National [2:08:10] Police [2:08:11] College [2:08:11] and [2:08:12] the [2:08:12] Philippine [2:08:12] Public [2:08:12] Safety [2:08:13] College [2:08:13] and [2:08:14] I'm [2:08:14] familiar [2:08:14] with [2:08:14] the [2:08:15] kind [2:08:15] of [2:08:15] thesis [2:08:16] that [2:08:16] they [2:08:16] are [2:08:17] presenting [2:08:17] to [2:08:17] us [2:08:18] I [2:08:19] know [2:08:20] that [2:08:20] there [2:08:21] is [2:08:21] always [2:08:21] a [2:08:21] policy [2:08:22] lag [2:08:22] that [2:08:23] public [2:08:24] policies [2:08:24] could [2:08:24] not [2:08:25] cope [2:08:25] with [2:08:25] the [2:08:26] realities [2:08:26] on [2:08:26] the [2:08:26] ground [2:08:27] but [2:08:27] there [2:08:27] are [2:08:27] also [2:08:28] what [2:08:28] we [2:08:29] call [2:08:29] enforcement [2:08:29] lag [2:08:30] that [2:08:31] our [2:08:31] enforcement [2:08:32] strategies [2:08:32] could [2:08:34] the [2:08:34] ground [2:08:35] and [2:08:36] I [2:08:36] want [2:08:36] to [2:08:36] emphasize [2:08:37] again [2:08:37] research [2:08:39] because [2:08:39] how [2:08:40] can [2:08:40] these [2:08:41] law [2:08:42] enforcement [2:08:42] agencies [2:08:43] generate [2:08:44] new [2:08:44] enforcement [2:08:45] strategies [2:08:45] without [2:08:46] the [2:08:46] benefit [2:08:47] of [2:08:47] research [2:08:47] if [2:08:49] I [2:08:49] will [2:08:50] look [2:08:50] at [2:08:50] their [2:08:50] budget [2:08:50] I [2:08:52] don't [2:08:52] think [2:08:52] I [2:08:53] will [2:08:53] see [2:08:53] or [2:08:53] if [2:08:53] I [2:08:54] will [2:08:54] see [2:08:54] it's [2:08:54] going [2:08:54] to [2:08:55] be [2:08:55] very [2:08:55] little [2:08:56] amount [2:08:56] in [2:08:57] their [2:08:57] either [2:08:57] tier [2:08:58] 1 [2:08:58] or [2:08:58] tier [2:08:58] 2 [2:08:58] budget [2:08:59] familiar [2:09:00] din [2:09:00] ako [2:09:00] kasi [2:09:01] sa [2:09:01] kanilang [2:09:01] mga [2:09:02] budget [2:09:03] so [2:09:05] congress [2:09:07] could [2:09:07] consider [2:09:08] really [2:09:09] allocating [2:09:10] budget [2:09:11] for [2:09:12] research [2:09:13] not only [2:09:13] for [2:09:13] purposes [2:09:14] of [2:09:15] improving [2:09:16] policy [2:09:16] design [2:09:17] but [2:09:17] also [2:09:18] of [2:09:18] improving [2:09:18] enforcement [2:09:19] from [2:09:21] the [2:09:21] fees [2:09:22] and [2:09:23] charges [2:09:23] I [2:09:23] understand [2:09:24] DTI [2:09:25] and [2:09:25] other [2:09:25] regulatory [2:09:26] agencies [2:09:27] collect [2:09:27] some [2:09:27] fees [2:09:28] and [2:09:28] charges [2:09:28] from [2:09:29] stakeholders [2:09:30] I [2:09:31] recommend [2:09:32] that [2:09:32] we [2:09:32] allocate [2:09:33] certain [2:09:33] funds [2:09:33] for [2:09:34] research [2:09:34] because [2:09:35] when [2:09:35] we [2:09:35] are [2:09:35] confronted [2:09:36] with [2:09:36] the [2:09:36] question [2:09:37] is [2:09:37] the [2:09:37] law [2:09:37] effective [2:09:38] the [2:09:39] next [2:09:39] question [2:09:39] is [2:09:39] did [2:09:40] we [2:09:40] monitor [2:09:40] and [2:09:41] when [2:09:41] we [2:09:41] look [2:09:42] at [2:09:42] the [2:09:42] data [2:09:43] is [2:09:43] there [2:09:43] really [2:09:44] a [2:09:44] deliberate [2:09:44] monitoring [2:09:45] of the [2:09:45] implementation [2:09:46] of [2:09:46] say [2:09:47] for [2:09:47] example [2:09:47] RA [2:09:48] 1190 [2:09:49] because [2:09:50] I [2:09:50] would [2:09:50] love [2:09:51] to [2:09:51] see [2:09:51] one [2:09:52] because [2:09:52] from [2:09:53] there [2:09:53] we [2:09:53] could [2:09:53] already [2:09:54] learn [2:09:55] from [2:09:55] our [2:09:55] monitoring [2:09:56] of [2:09:56] the [2:09:56] implementation [2:09:57] of [2:09:57] RA [2:09:58] 1190 [2:09:58] and [2:09:59] use [2:10:00] these [2:10:00] lessons [2:10:01] when [2:10:02] we [2:10:02] design [2:10:02] our [2:10:03] new [2:10:03] law [2:10:04] on [2:10:04] BAPE [2:10:05] regulations [2:10:05] taking [2:10:07] your [2:10:07] honor [2:10:07] thank [2:10:08] you [2:10:08] to [2:10:08] Mr. [2:10:08] Castillo [2:10:09] at [2:10:09] dahil [2:10:09] din [2:10:09] pinaalalahanan [2:10:10] nyo [2:10:10] ako [2:10:10] sa [2:10:11] isang [2:10:11] bagay [2:10:11] na [2:10:11] nalimutan [2:10:12] ko [2:10:12] kanina [2:10:13] bago [2:10:14] kayo [2:10:14] may [2:10:15] isa [2:10:15] pang [2:10:15] resource [2:10:15] person [2:10:16] thank [2:10:16] you [2:10:16] who [2:10:16] brought [2:10:17] up [2:10:17] that [2:10:17] matter [2:10:17] also [2:10:18] of [2:10:18] budget [2:10:18] so [2:10:19] yung [2:10:19] mga [2:10:19] inputs [2:10:20] po [2:10:20] ninyo [2:10:20] importante [2:10:21] hindi [2:10:21] lang [2:10:21] para [2:10:21] sa [2:10:22] pag [2:10:23] draft [2:10:23] ng [2:10:24] bagong [2:10:24] batas [2:10:25] pero [2:10:25] sa [2:10:27] paghahanda [2:10:27] namin [2:10:28] para sa [2:10:28] budget [2:10:28] debates [2:10:29] a few [2:10:29] months [2:10:30] up the [2:10:31] road [2:10:31] para sa [2:10:32] national [2:10:33] budget [2:10:34] for next [2:10:35] year [2:10:35] mula [2:10:36] sa akin [2:10:37] isang [2:10:37] huling [2:10:37] paksana [2:10:38] lang [2:10:38] before [2:10:39] we [2:10:40] adjourn [2:10:41] this [2:10:41] hearing [2:10:41] on [2:10:42] regulatory [2:10:42] authority [2:10:43] so [2:10:43] syempre [2:10:44] sa [2:10:44] DTI [2:10:45] muli [2:10:45] sa [2:10:45] DOH [2:10:46] at [2:10:46] sa [2:10:46] FDA [2:10:47] so [2:10:50] kung [2:10:51] malinaw [2:10:52] na may [2:10:52] health [2:10:52] risk [2:10:53] ang [2:10:53] produktong [2:10:54] ito [2:10:54] bakit [2:10:55] ito [2:10:56] itinuturing [2:10:56] na [2:10:57] consumer [2:10:57] good [2:10:57] bakit [2:11:04] itinuturing [2:11:04] na [2:11:04] ordinaryong [2:11:05] consumer [2:11:05] good [2:11:05] lang [2:11:06] ang [2:11:06] vape [2:11:06] products [2:11:07] kung [2:11:07] lumalabas [2:11:08] na may [2:11:09] risk [2:11:10] din po [2:11:10] ito [2:11:11] at [2:11:11] health [2:11:11] risk [2:11:11] in [2:11:12] particular [2:11:12] okay [2:11:15] Madam [2:11:16] Chair [2:11:16] kaya [2:11:19] po [2:11:19] naregulate [2:11:20] natin [2:11:20] ang [2:11:20] vape [2:11:20] kasi [2:11:21] may [2:11:21] health [2:11:21] risk [2:11:22] po [2:11:22] kaya [2:11:23] talagang [2:11:24] total [2:11:25] restrictions [2:11:26] po [2:11:26] kaya [2:11:27] below [2:11:28] 18 [2:11:28] years [2:11:29] old [2:11:29] hindi [2:11:29] na [2:11:29] po [2:11:29] pwede [2:11:31] mag [2:11:31] purchase [2:11:32] then [2:11:33] marami [2:11:33] po tayo [2:11:34] restrictions [2:11:34] sa [2:11:35] sponsorships [2:11:36] promotions [2:11:37] and [2:11:37] advertising [2:11:38] at [2:11:41] saka [2:11:41] dapat [2:11:42] po [2:11:42] sa [2:11:42] point [2:11:42] of [2:11:42] sale [2:11:43] lang [2:11:43] po [2:11:43] at [2:11:43] saka [2:11:43] yung [2:11:44] may [2:11:44] age [2:11:45] gating [2:11:45] measures [2:11:45] na rin [2:11:46] po [2:11:46] ang [2:11:46] DTI [2:11:47] na [2:11:47] kapag [2:11:48] create [2:11:49] po [2:11:50] ng [2:11:50] department [2:11:50] order [2:11:51] na [2:11:52] dapat [2:11:53] may [2:11:53] age [2:11:54] gating [2:11:54] measures [2:11:54] po [2:11:55] before [2:11:55] makapag [2:11:56] access [2:11:57] po [2:11:57] ang ating [2:11:58] mga [2:11:59] consumer [2:11:59] online [2:12:00] at [2:12:00] saka [2:12:00] physical [2:12:01] establishments [2:12:03] salamat [2:12:05] thank you [2:12:06] rin [2:12:06] attorney [2:12:06] Freddy [2:12:07] Spenda [2:12:07] tatanong ko [2:12:08] sana [2:12:09] ito [2:12:09] sa [2:12:09] DOH [2:12:09] pero [2:12:10] diretsya [2:12:10] na [2:12:10] ako [2:12:10] sa [2:12:10] FDA [2:12:11] so [2:12:11] paano [2:12:12] po [2:12:12] bang [2:12:13] i-shift [2:12:16] yung [2:12:18] regulation [2:12:18] sa FDA [2:12:19] at sa [2:12:20] mga [2:12:20] health [2:12:20] authorities [2:12:21] engineer [2:12:22] Anna [2:12:22] thank you [2:12:23] madam chair [2:12:24] as I [2:12:24] mentioned [2:12:25] in [2:12:25] previous [2:12:26] hearings [2:12:27] it will [2:12:27] be [2:12:27] self-serving [2:12:28] but [2:12:29] anyway [2:12:29] it's [2:12:29] okay [2:12:30] po [2:12:30] kaya [2:12:30] sabi ko [2:12:31] diretsya [2:12:31] na lang [2:12:32] sa [2:12:32] inyo [2:12:32] ayoko [2:12:33] namang [2:12:33] itanong [2:12:34] sa [2:12:34] DTI [2:12:34] but [2:12:35] open [2:12:35] kung [2:12:36] may [2:12:36] comment [2:12:36] si [2:12:36] attorney [2:12:36] Freddy [2:12:37] Swenda [2:12:37] but [2:12:37] so [2:12:38] dapat ba [2:12:38] sa [2:12:39] health [2:12:39] authorities [2:12:39] at [2:12:40] FDA [2:12:40] ilipat [2:12:41] ang [2:12:41] jurisdiction [2:12:42] originally [2:12:43] madam [2:12:43] chair [2:12:44] the [2:12:44] intent [2:12:45] was [2:12:45] really [2:12:45] for [2:12:46] the [2:12:46] FDA [2:12:46] to [2:12:46] regulate [2:12:47] these [2:12:47] products [2:12:47] and [2:12:48] even [2:12:48] if [2:12:49] you [2:12:49] look [2:12:49] into [2:12:50] the [2:12:50] other [2:12:50] countries [2:12:51] it [2:12:51] is [2:12:52] usually [2:12:52] the [2:12:52] health [2:12:53] authorities [2:12:54] that [2:12:54] are [2:12:55] regulating [2:12:56] these [2:12:56] products [2:12:57] because [2:12:57] it [2:12:58] affects [2:12:58] the [2:12:58] health [2:12:59] of [2:12:59] the [2:12:59] people [2:12:59] so [2:13:00] under [2:13:01] our [2:13:01] mandate [2:13:02] under [2:13:03] RA9711 [2:13:04] we look [2:13:05] into [2:13:05] the [2:13:05] safety [2:13:06] of [2:13:06] these [2:13:06] health [2:13:07] products [2:13:07] and [2:13:08] we [2:13:10] are [2:13:10] the [2:13:10] only [2:13:11] agency [2:13:12] here [2:13:12] in [2:13:12] the [2:13:13] country [2:13:13] that [2:13:13] looks [2:13:14] into [2:13:14] the [2:13:14] health [2:13:14] products [2:13:15] so [2:13:16] this [2:13:16] is [2:13:16] specific [2:13:17] for [2:13:17] the [2:13:17] mandate [2:13:18] of [2:13:18] the [2:13:18] FDA [2:13:19] considering [2:13:20] that [2:13:21] it [2:13:21] is [2:13:23] a [2:13:23] health [2:13:24] and [2:13:25] safety [2:13:25] concern [2:13:26] and [2:13:27] it [2:13:28] does [2:13:29] not [2:13:29] only [2:13:30] concerns [2:13:30] the [2:13:31] short [2:13:32] term [2:13:32] or [2:13:32] the [2:13:32] acute [2:13:33] effects [2:13:33] but [2:13:33] also [2:13:34] the [2:13:34] long [2:13:34] term [2:13:34] health [2:13:35] effects [2:13:35] so [2:13:36] in [2:13:38] summary [2:13:39] the [2:13:40] DOH [2:13:41] and [2:13:41] FDA [2:13:41] proposes [2:13:43] that [2:13:43] the [2:13:43] regulations [2:13:44] be [2:13:44] under [2:13:44] the [2:13:45] FDA [2:13:45] thank [2:13:46] you [2:13:46] Madam [2:13:46] Chair [2:13:46] All right [2:13:47] Thank you [2:13:48] Engineer [2:13:48] Anna [2:13:48] and [2:13:49] yes [2:13:49] Dr. [2:13:50] Jessica [2:13:50] so [2:13:51] kung [2:13:51] gaya [2:13:52] ng [2:13:52] lumalabas [2:13:53] madaling [2:13:53] ma-access [2:13:54] madaling [2:13:54] ma-market [2:13:55] mahirap [2:13:56] i-unforce [2:13:57] so [2:13:58] do you [2:13:59] ano bang [2:14:00] sense [2:14:00] ng [2:14:00] department [2:14:01] around [2:14:01] the [2:14:01] table [2:14:01] do you [2:14:02] think [2:14:02] na [2:14:03] handa [2:14:04] na tayong [2:14:04] aminin [2:14:05] na kailangan [2:14:05] talagang [2:14:06] baguhin [2:14:06] yung [2:14:07] sistema [2:14:07] dito [2:14:07] We [2:14:09] agree [2:14:10] po [2:14:10] na sana [2:14:10] FDA [2:14:11] ang [2:14:11] makapag [2:14:12] regulate [2:14:12] why [2:14:13] FDA [2:14:14] earlier [2:14:14] mentioned [2:14:15] the [2:14:16] different [2:14:16] identified [2:14:17] chemicals [2:14:18] under [2:14:19] vape [2:14:19] but [2:14:20] do you [2:14:20] know [2:14:21] that [2:14:21] as [2:14:22] based [2:14:23] po [2:14:23] sa [2:14:23] evidence [2:14:24] there [2:14:25] are [2:14:25] 2,000 [2:14:26] chemicals [2:14:27] na [2:14:27] unidentified [2:14:28] sa [2:14:28] vape [2:14:29] smoke [2:14:29] so [2:14:29] ito [2:14:31] po [2:14:31] ay [2:14:31] naka [2:14:31] alarma [2:14:32] and [2:14:33] once [2:14:33] na [2:14:33] aerosolize [2:14:34] na po [2:14:35] ang [2:14:35] vape [2:14:35] smoke [2:14:36] it [2:14:37] undergoes [2:14:38] chemical [2:14:39] reaction [2:14:39] na [2:14:39] nag-form [2:14:40] pa [2:14:40] ng [2:14:40] different [2:14:40] chemicals [2:14:41] so [2:14:41] again [2:14:41] marami [2:14:42] pa [2:14:42] unidentified [2:14:44] chemicals [2:14:44] so [2:14:44] I [2:14:44] think [2:14:45] kailangan [2:14:46] po [2:14:46] ng [2:14:46] stricter [2:14:47] regulations [2:14:48] and [2:14:48] measures [2:14:48] when it [2:14:49] comes [2:14:49] to [2:14:50] vapes [2:14:51] yes [2:14:54] doc [2:14:55] mr [2:14:56] sorry [2:14:57] dr [2:14:58] mata [2:14:58] yes [2:14:59] you'd [2:14:59] like [2:14:59] to [2:14:59] interject [2:14:59] may [2:15:01] just [2:15:01] leave [2:15:02] my [2:15:03] comments [2:15:03] on [2:15:03] this [2:15:03] your [2:15:04] honor [2:15:04] well [2:15:05] the [2:15:06] science [2:15:08] of [2:15:08] toxicology [2:15:08] is very [2:15:09] well [2:15:09] established [2:15:10] already [2:15:10] in vaping [2:15:11] and [2:15:11] cigarettes [2:15:12] so [2:15:13] you can [2:15:13] just [2:15:13] look [2:15:13] through [2:15:14] the [2:15:15] chromatographic [2:15:16] study [2:15:17] of [2:15:17] toxicology [2:15:19] toxic [2:15:19] chemicals [2:15:20] of [2:15:21] this [2:15:21] and [2:15:24] then [2:15:25] you can [2:15:25] establish [2:15:26] that [2:15:26] substantially [2:15:27] cigarette [2:15:28] is [2:15:29] substantially [2:15:29] more [2:15:30] harmful [2:15:30] than [2:15:31] vapor [2:15:34] products [2:15:34] and [2:15:34] these [2:15:34] products [2:15:35] are not [2:15:35] therapeutic [2:15:36] products [2:15:36] doctor [2:15:37] your [2:15:38] honor [2:15:38] they [2:15:39] are [2:15:39] consumer [2:15:39] products [2:15:40] used [2:15:41] by [2:15:42] adults [2:15:42] as [2:15:43] alternative [2:15:44] to [2:15:45] cigarettes [2:15:46] not [2:15:46] as [2:15:47] medically [2:15:47] prescribed [2:15:48] products [2:15:49] they are [2:15:49] not [2:15:50] medically [2:15:50] prescribed [2:15:51] products [2:15:51] so [2:15:52] a [2:15:52] pharmaceutical [2:15:53] style [2:15:53] regulatory [2:15:55] process [2:15:56] may not [2:15:56] be [2:15:57] proportionate [2:15:57] to [2:15:58] how [2:15:59] these [2:15:59] products [2:16:00] are [2:16:00] used [2:16:01] and [2:16:01] could [2:16:01] create [2:16:02] a [2:16:02] problem [2:16:03] barriers [2:16:04] that [2:16:04] limit [2:16:04] access [2:16:05] to [2:16:05] these [2:16:05] products [2:16:06] by [2:16:06] these [2:16:06] chronic [2:16:07] smokers [2:16:08] who [2:16:08] needed [2:16:08] these [2:16:09] products [2:16:09] so [2:16:11] that [2:16:12] is [2:16:12] that [2:16:13] that's [2:16:13] my [2:16:13] and [2:16:14] and [2:16:15] I [2:16:15] would [2:16:16] like [2:16:16] to [2:16:16] comment [2:16:16] also [2:16:17] on [2:16:17] nicotine [2:16:17] nicotine [2:16:19] is [2:16:20] not [2:16:21] the [2:16:21] primary [2:16:22] driver [2:16:22] of [2:16:22] cancer [2:16:24] COPD [2:16:24] or [2:16:25] it [2:16:26] is [2:16:27] primary [2:16:27] driver [2:16:27] for [2:16:28] addiction [2:16:28] to [2:16:29] cigarettes [2:16:29] but [2:16:29] it's [2:16:30] never [2:16:30] been [2:16:31] established [2:16:31] as [2:16:32] primary [2:16:32] driver [2:16:32] to [2:16:33] these [2:16:33] diseases [2:16:33] now [2:16:34] the [2:16:36] important [2:16:37] thing [2:16:38] to [2:16:39] note [2:16:39] is [2:16:39] nicotine [2:16:40] has [2:16:40] been [2:16:40] demonized [2:16:42] because [2:16:43] it [2:16:43] has [2:16:43] been [2:16:43] inextricably [2:16:45] linked [2:16:46] with [2:16:46] tobacco [2:16:46] instead [2:16:47] of [2:16:48] saying [2:16:48] tobacco [2:16:48] is [2:16:49] deadly [2:16:51] or [2:16:51] we [2:16:52] come [2:16:53] to [2:16:53] think [2:16:54] of [2:16:54] it [2:16:54] as [2:16:54] nicotine [2:16:54] is [2:16:55] deadly [2:16:55] otherwise [2:16:56] we [2:16:56] would [2:16:56] not [2:16:57] have [2:16:57] nicotine [2:16:57] replacement [2:16:58] therapy [2:16:58] over [2:16:59] the [2:16:59] counter [2:16:59] if [2:17:00] nicotine [2:17:01] is [2:17:01] really [2:17:01] deadly [2:17:02] substance [2:17:03] now [2:17:04] as [2:17:04] to [2:17:04] the [2:17:05] poison [2:17:06] level [2:17:07] of [2:17:07] the [2:17:07] nicotine [2:17:09] you know [2:17:10] originally [2:17:11] it was [2:17:11] established [2:17:12] at [2:17:12] 60 [2:17:12] 30 [2:17:13] to [2:17:14] 60 [2:17:14] milligrams [2:17:16] little [2:17:18] dose [2:17:18] for [2:17:18] nicotine [2:17:19] but [2:17:19] now [2:17:19] it's [2:17:20] more [2:17:21] studies [2:17:21] have [2:17:21] been [2:17:22] made [2:17:22] and [2:17:23] it's [2:17:23] already [2:17:23] around [2:17:23] 500 [2:17:24] to [2:17:24] 1000 [2:17:25] milligrams [2:17:25] I [2:17:27] think [2:17:27] you have [2:17:28] to look [2:17:28] into [2:17:29] that [2:17:29] because [2:17:29] there [2:17:30] are [2:17:30] new [2:17:30] studies [2:17:31] already [2:17:31] if [2:17:33] this [2:17:33] the [2:17:33] nicotine [2:17:34] is [2:17:34] completely [2:17:34] absorbed [2:17:35] and [2:17:36] the [2:17:37] fact of [2:17:37] the [2:17:37] matter [2:17:38] is [2:17:38] in [2:17:38] vaping [2:17:39] it's [2:17:39] not [2:17:40] totally [2:17:41] absorbed [2:17:41] in [2:17:41] the [2:17:41] body [2:17:42] now [2:17:44] if [2:17:44] we [2:17:44] are [2:17:44] comparing [2:17:45] cigarette [2:17:46] as [2:17:47] to [2:17:47] vape [2:17:48] product [2:17:49] we [2:17:49] should [2:17:50] compare [2:17:50] how [2:17:52] many [2:17:53] toxic [2:17:53] chemicals [2:17:54] are [2:17:54] produced [2:17:54] during [2:17:55] combustion [2:17:55] not [2:17:57] with [2:17:57] clean [2:17:57] air [2:17:58] we [2:17:58] should [2:17:58] not [2:17:58] be [2:17:58] comparing [2:17:59] vape [2:17:59] with [2:18:00] clean [2:18:00] air [2:18:00] we [2:18:00] should [2:18:00] compare [2:18:01] vape [2:18:01] with [2:18:02] cigarette [2:18:02] smoking [2:18:03] that's [2:18:04] exactly [2:18:04] why [2:18:05] we [2:18:05] are [2:18:05] for [2:18:05] tobacco [2:18:06] harm [2:18:06] reduction [2:18:07] your [2:18:08] honor [2:18:08] Salamat [2:18:10] Dr. [2:18:11] Mata [2:18:11] before [2:18:12] Mr. [2:18:12] Castillo [2:18:13] well [2:18:13] nagulat [2:18:17] ako [2:18:17] dun [2:18:17] sa [2:18:17] yung [2:18:18] bagong [2:18:19] studies [2:18:20] nagpa-prescribe [2:18:21] ng level [2:18:21] na 500 [2:18:22] to 1,000 [2:18:23] milk [2:18:23] pero [2:18:23] mas [2:18:24] pinaka [2:18:24] nagulat [2:18:25] ako [2:18:25] dun [2:18:25] sa [2:18:26] assertion [2:18:27] na [2:18:27] nicotine [2:18:28] is [2:18:28] a primary [2:18:29] driver [2:18:29] for [2:18:29] addiction [2:18:30] but [2:18:30] not [2:18:30] for [2:18:31] cancer [2:18:31] kung [2:18:32] maalala [2:18:33] po [2:18:33] natin [2:18:34] and if [2:18:34] I [2:18:35] remember [2:18:35] it [2:18:35] correctly [2:18:36] correct me [2:18:36] if [2:18:36] I'm [2:18:36] wrong [2:18:37] kahit [2:18:38] po [2:18:38] yung [2:18:38] historic [2:18:39] case [2:18:39] ng [2:18:39] yung [2:18:40] landmark [2:18:40] case [2:18:40] ng [2:18:41] pan [2:18:42] flight [2:18:43] attendants [2:18:43] noon [2:18:44] nag-sue [2:18:45] dahil [2:18:46] dati [2:18:47] yung [2:18:47] airline [2:18:47] nila [2:18:48] ay pinapayagan [2:18:49] ang mga [2:18:49] piloto [2:18:49] mga [2:18:50] ibang [2:18:50] flight [2:18:51] attendants [2:18:51] mga [2:18:52] pasahero [2:18:52] mag-yossie [2:18:53] sa [2:18:53] cabin [2:18:53] kaya [2:18:54] na [2:18:54] document [2:18:54] nila [2:18:55] over [2:18:56] the [2:18:56] years [2:18:57] nagkakaroon [2:18:57] sila [2:18:58] ng [2:18:58] lung [2:18:59] cancer [2:18:59] kahit [2:19:00] hindi [2:19:00] po [2:19:00] sila [2:19:01] mismo [2:19:01] ang [2:19:01] nag-yossie [2:19:02] so [2:19:02] kaya [2:19:02] natin [2:19:03] natutunan [2:19:04] yung [2:19:04] second [2:19:04] stream [2:19:05] smoking [2:19:05] etc. [2:19:07] So [2:19:07] I'm [2:19:07] really [2:19:08] surprised [2:19:09] to hear [2:19:09] one [2:19:10] seeming [2:19:10] health [2:19:11] truth [2:19:11] I [2:19:11] grew up [2:19:12] with [2:19:12] from [2:19:13] the [2:19:13] 1960s [2:19:14] ay [2:19:14] hindi [2:19:14] pala [2:19:15] totoo [2:19:15] but [2:19:15] medyo [2:19:17] Bible [2:19:18] truth [2:19:19] na [2:19:19] yata [2:19:19] yan [2:19:20] sa mga [2:19:21] tao [2:19:22] na [2:19:22] concerned [2:19:23] din po [2:19:24] sa [2:19:24] kalusugan [2:19:24] I also [2:19:29] encountered [2:19:29] this [2:19:30] policy [2:19:31] debate [2:19:31] on [2:19:32] jurisdiction [2:19:32] and [2:19:34] when you [2:19:35] look at [2:19:35] the [2:19:35] global [2:19:35] data [2:19:36] there [2:19:39] are [2:19:39] certain [2:19:39] jurisdictions [2:19:40] that [2:19:40] these [2:19:41] types [2:19:42] of [2:19:42] products [2:19:42] are [2:19:43] regulated [2:19:43] by [2:19:43] health [2:19:44] institutions [2:19:45] and [2:19:45] there [2:19:45] are [2:19:46] also [2:19:47] jurisdictions [2:19:48] where [2:19:49] these [2:19:49] products [2:19:49] are [2:19:49] regulated [2:19:50] by [2:19:50] their [2:19:50] trade [2:19:51] departments [2:19:51] and [2:19:52] there [2:19:52] are [2:19:52] also [2:19:52] mix [2:19:53] now [2:19:54] in [2:19:54] our [2:19:54] current [2:19:55] set [2:19:55] up [2:19:55] under [2:19:56] 1190 [2:19:57] you [2:19:58] have [2:19:58] the [2:19:58] DTI [2:19:58] but [2:19:59] even [2:20:00] if [2:20:00] you [2:20:00] implement [2:20:01] the [2:20:02] jurisdictional [2:20:03] approach [2:20:03] of the [2:20:03] DTI [2:20:04] DTI [2:20:05] would [2:20:05] not [2:20:05] be [2:20:05] sufficient [2:20:06] you [2:20:07] need [2:20:07] the [2:20:07] other [2:20:07] agencies [2:20:08] to [2:20:08] work [2:20:08] with [2:20:09] DTI [2:20:09] so [2:20:10] when [2:20:10] you [2:20:11] transfer [2:20:11] it [2:20:11] say [2:20:12] for [2:20:12] example [2:20:12] to [2:20:13] FDA [2:20:17] it's [2:20:18] I [2:20:18] think [2:20:18] the [2:20:19] arrangement [2:20:20] would [2:20:21] not [2:20:21] be [2:20:21] far [2:20:22] different [2:20:22] the [2:20:23] only [2:20:24] thing [2:20:24] is [2:20:24] that [2:20:24] the [2:20:24] chairmanship [2:20:25] might [2:20:25] differ [2:20:26] but [2:20:26] it [2:20:27] will [2:20:27] always [2:20:28] be [2:20:28] inter [2:20:28] agency [2:20:29] approach [2:20:30] because [2:20:30] no [2:20:31] one [2:20:31] agency [2:20:31] could [2:20:32] address [2:20:32] this [2:20:33] policy [2:20:34] issue [2:20:34] but [2:20:36] out of [2:20:37] curiosity [2:20:38] when I [2:20:39] am looking [2:20:39] at the [2:20:40] debate [2:20:40] and I [2:20:41] ask [2:20:41] myself [2:20:41] if I [2:20:42] will [2:20:42] be [2:20:42] asked [2:20:42] to [2:20:43] the [2:20:47] question [2:20:48] whether [2:20:49] nicotine [2:20:49] should [2:20:49] be [2:20:50] treated [2:20:50] as [2:20:51] should [2:20:52] be [2:20:52] treated [2:20:52] as [2:20:53] a [2:20:54] health [2:20:55] product [2:20:56] or [2:20:56] an [2:20:57] ordinary [2:20:57] consumer [2:20:58] product [2:20:58] I [2:21:00] told [2:21:01] myself [2:21:02] I [2:21:02] don't [2:21:02] have [2:21:02] ready [2:21:03] answer [2:21:03] because [2:21:04] I [2:21:04] have [2:21:04] yet [2:21:05] to [2:21:05] see [2:21:05] any [2:21:05] treaties [2:21:06] from [2:21:07] any [2:21:08] parties [2:21:08] discussing [2:21:10] nicotine [2:21:11] from [2:21:11] philosophical [2:21:12] scientific [2:21:14] from [2:21:15] sociological [2:21:16] perspective [2:21:16] to [2:21:17] actually [2:21:17] determine [2:21:18] whether [2:21:19] it [2:21:19] is [2:21:19] a [2:21:19] health [2:21:20] product [2:21:20] or [2:21:21] a [2:21:22] consumer [2:21:22] product [2:21:23] your [2:21:23] honor [2:21:23] in [2:21:24] definition [2:21:25] is very [2:21:25] very [2:21:26] important [2:21:26] in our [2:21:27] legislations [2:21:28] and [2:21:28] there [2:21:28] are [2:21:28] so [2:21:29] many [2:21:29] ways [2:21:29] of [2:21:29] defining [2:21:30] things [2:21:30] and [2:21:31] the [2:21:31] way [2:21:32] to [2:21:32] really [2:21:32] settle [2:21:33] this [2:21:33] issue [2:21:33] to [2:21:34] help [2:21:34] the [2:21:34] to [2:21:35] help [2:21:35] the [2:21:35] to [2:21:37] help [2:21:37] Congress [2:21:38] is [2:21:38] that [2:21:38] maybe [2:21:39] we [2:21:39] could [2:21:39] recommend [2:21:40] our [2:21:40] government [2:21:41] agencies [2:21:41] to [2:21:41] come up [2:21:42] with [2:21:42] really [2:21:42] a [2:21:42] position [2:21:43] paper [2:21:43] an [2:21:44] in-depth [2:21:45] analysis [2:21:46] multi-perspective [2:21:47] analysis [2:21:48] of this [2:21:49] product [2:21:50] so that [2:21:51] we could [2:21:51] finally [2:21:51] determine [2:21:52] whether [2:21:52] it should [2:21:53] be [2:21:53] treated [2:21:53] as a [2:21:54] health [2:21:54] product [2:21:54] or [2:21:54] a [2:21:55] consumer [2:21:55] product [2:21:56] because [2:21:56] both [2:21:57] parties [2:21:59] or the [2:21:59] parties [2:22:00] in the [2:22:00] policy [2:22:00] discourse [2:22:01] are [2:22:01] claiming [2:22:02] different [2:22:02] arguments [2:22:05] and [2:22:05] they are [2:22:06] all [2:22:06] correct [2:22:06] from [2:22:06] their [2:22:07] own [2:22:07] perspective [2:22:08] but [2:22:09] we have [2:22:09] to come [2:22:10] up [2:22:10] with [2:22:10] a [2:22:10] settlement [2:22:11] and [2:22:11] a [2:22:11] treatise [2:22:12] from [2:22:12] our [2:22:12] government [2:22:13] agencies [2:22:13] I think [2:22:14] would help [2:22:14] Congress [2:22:15] Salamat [2:22:16] Mr. Castillo [2:22:17] Well [2:22:17] everyone [2:22:18] around the [2:22:18] table [2:22:19] including [2:22:19] yung mga [2:22:20] agencies [2:22:21] ng [2:22:21] executive [2:22:22] and the [2:22:23] other [2:22:24] resource [2:22:24] persons [2:22:25] have been [2:22:25] presenting [2:22:26] in effect [2:22:26] mini [2:22:27] treatises [2:22:28] kasi [2:22:29] yung mga [2:22:29] position [2:22:29] papers [2:22:30] nyo [2:22:30] yung mga [2:22:30] statements [2:22:31] nyo [2:22:31] hango [2:22:33] na yun [2:22:33] sa maraming [2:22:34] taon [2:22:34] ng karanasan [2:22:35] documentation [2:22:36] at saka [2:22:37] analysis [2:22:37] nyo [2:22:38] and [2:22:39] the [2:22:39] Senate [2:22:39] has already [2:22:40] weighed in [2:22:41] also on [2:22:41] that [2:22:42] question [2:22:42] by [2:22:43] referring [2:22:44] the [2:22:44] bill [2:22:45] primarily [2:22:45] to [2:22:46] the [2:22:46] committee [2:22:46] on [2:22:46] health [2:22:47] so [2:22:47] health [2:22:48] committee [2:22:49] report [2:22:50] ang [2:22:50] lalabas [2:22:51] health [2:22:51] proposed [2:22:52] legislation [2:22:53] ang [2:22:53] lalabas [2:22:54] of course [2:22:54] in [2:22:55] partnership [2:22:55] sa [2:22:56] committees [2:22:56] on [2:22:57] trade [2:22:57] and [2:22:57] industry [2:22:58] at [2:22:58] saka [2:22:58] basic [2:23:00] education [2:23:01] nothing [2:23:02] prevents [2:23:03] and I'm [2:23:03] sure [2:23:03] hindi [2:23:03] titigil [2:23:04] tayong [2:23:04] lahat [2:23:04] sa [2:23:04] pag-aaral [2:23:05] over [2:23:05] time [2:23:06] but [2:23:06] I [2:23:06] think [2:23:07] the [2:23:07] past [2:23:07] three [2:23:07] years [2:23:08] are [2:23:08] a [2:23:09] rich [2:23:09] period [2:23:10] na [2:23:10] maghalaw [2:23:11] ng [2:23:11] mga [2:23:11] leksyon [2:23:11] how [2:23:12] we [2:23:12] can [2:23:13] come [2:23:14] up [2:23:14] with [2:23:14] a [2:23:14] better [2:23:15] law [2:23:15] in [2:23:16] the [2:23:16] interest [2:23:16] of [2:23:17] public [2:23:17] health [2:23:17] so [2:23:18] yes [2:23:19] Ms. [2:23:21] Aurora [2:23:21] Magandang [2:23:22] umaga po [2:23:23] Madam Chair [2:23:23] we should [2:23:24] have raised [2:23:24] this earlier [2:23:25] on the [2:23:25] question [2:23:26] on [2:23:26] enforcement [2:23:26] particularly [2:23:27] on [2:23:28] flavor [2:23:28] ban [2:23:28] gusto [2:23:29] lang [2:23:30] po [2:23:30] namin [2:23:30] i-register [2:23:31] that [2:23:31] among [2:23:31] the [2:23:31] civil [2:23:32] society [2:23:32] organizations [2:23:33] the [2:23:33] public [2:23:33] health [2:23:34] advocates [2:23:34] we [2:23:35] have [2:23:35] the [2:23:35] interpretation [2:23:36] that [2:23:36] the [2:23:37] ban [2:23:38] on [2:23:38] flavors [2:23:38] provided [2:23:40] by RA [2:23:41] 11467 [2:23:42] has not [2:23:43] been [2:23:43] repealed [2:23:44] it was [2:23:45] not [2:23:45] repealed [2:23:45] by RA [2:23:46] 11900 [2:23:47] kasi [2:23:47] sa [2:23:47] 11900 [2:23:48] ang sinasabi [2:23:49] lang po [2:23:49] doon [2:23:49] may [2:23:50] ban [2:23:50] on [2:23:50] flavor [2:23:51] descriptors [2:23:52] for [2:23:53] flavors [2:23:53] that [2:23:53] are [2:23:54] attractive [2:23:55] to [2:23:55] children [2:23:55] pero [2:23:56] hindi [2:23:57] niya [2:23:57] po [2:23:57] sinabi [2:23:57] na [2:23:57] may [2:23:57] ban [2:23:58] on [2:23:59] flavors [2:23:59] kaya [2:23:59] lang [2:24:00] nagkakaroon [2:24:00] po [2:24:00] ng [2:24:01] iba't [2:24:01] ibang [2:24:01] interpretation [2:24:02] but [2:24:03] the [2:24:03] legal [2:24:04] opinion [2:24:04] of [2:24:04] DOJ [2:24:05] has [2:24:05] been [2:24:05] sought [2:24:06] and [2:24:06] in [2:24:06] 2025 [2:24:07] last [2:24:08] year [2:24:08] DOJ [2:24:11] already [2:24:11] issued [2:24:12] a legal [2:24:13] opinion [2:24:14] saying [2:24:14] that [2:24:14] the [2:24:15] ban [2:24:16] on [2:24:16] flavors [2:24:16] has [2:24:17] not [2:24:17] been [2:24:17] repealed [2:24:18] and [2:24:18] we [2:24:18] have [2:24:18] a [2:24:18] document [2:24:19] we [2:24:19] will [2:24:19] share [2:24:20] with [2:24:20] the [2:24:20] committee [2:24:21] or [2:24:21] maybe [2:24:21] the [2:24:21] DOJ [2:24:22] can [2:24:22] be [2:24:22] requested [2:24:23] to [2:24:23] share [2:24:24] it [2:24:24] I [2:24:24] think [2:24:24] it [2:24:25] was [2:24:25] DSWD [2:24:26] or [2:24:27] DTI [2:24:28] who [2:24:29] sought [2:24:29] the [2:24:29] legal [2:24:30] opinion [2:24:30] of [2:24:31] DOJ [2:24:33] and [2:24:34] it [2:24:34] was [2:24:34] also [2:24:34] discussed [2:24:35] during [2:24:35] a [2:24:35] meeting [2:24:36] between [2:24:36] advocates [2:24:37] and [2:24:37] the [2:24:38] DTI [2:24:38] last [2:24:39] year [2:24:40] and [2:24:41] since [2:24:42] I [2:24:42] have [2:24:42] the [2:24:42] floor [2:24:42] let [2:24:43] me [2:24:43] make [2:24:43] a [2:24:43] final [2:24:44] appeal [2:24:44] on [2:24:45] behalf [2:24:45] of [2:24:45] not [2:24:46] only [2:24:46] PLCPD [2:24:47] but [2:24:47] also [2:24:47] the [2:24:47] child [2:24:48] rights [2:24:48] network [2:24:48] the [2:24:49] largest [2:24:49] alliance [2:24:50] of [2:24:50] organizations [2:24:51] working [2:24:52] on [2:24:53] children's [2:24:54] rights [2:24:54] legislation [2:24:55] in the [2:24:56] country [2:24:56] we [2:24:57] are [2:24:57] already [2:24:58] beyond [2:24:58] asking [2:24:59] whether [2:24:59] the [2:25:00] law [2:25:00] is [2:25:00] effective [2:25:01] or [2:25:01] not [2:25:02] kasi [2:25:02] lahat [2:25:03] ng [2:25:03] datos [2:25:03] simula [2:25:04] noong [2:25:04] 17 [2:25:05] Congress [2:25:06] 18 [2:25:06] Congress [2:25:07] hanggang [2:25:07] ngayon [2:25:07] nagsasabi [2:25:08] na [2:25:08] we [2:25:09] are [2:25:10] failing [2:25:10] our [2:25:10] children [2:25:11] so [2:25:12] ang [2:25:12] tanong [2:25:12] na [2:25:12] po [2:25:12] natin [2:25:13] ay [2:25:13] bakit [2:25:13] so [2:25:14] ito [2:25:15] ay [2:25:15] mga [2:25:15] tanong [2:25:16] na [2:25:16] in terms [2:25:16] of [2:25:17] operations [2:25:17] implementation [2:25:18] of [2:25:19] the [2:25:19] law [2:25:19] enforcement [2:25:19] but [2:25:20] this [2:25:20] is [2:25:20] also [2:25:21] a [2:25:21] moral [2:25:21] question [2:25:22] kung [2:25:22] sinasabi [2:25:23] ng mga [2:25:23] proponents [2:25:24] o [2:25:24] mga [2:25:24] nagtutulak [2:25:26] ng mga [2:25:26] produktong [2:25:27] ito [2:25:27] that [2:25:27] this [2:25:28] is [2:25:28] harm [2:25:28] reduction [2:25:29] tobacco [2:25:29] harm [2:25:29] reduction [2:25:30] or [2:25:31] alternative [2:25:31] to [2:25:32] smoking [2:25:32] cigarettes [2:25:33] for [2:25:34] reduced [2:25:34] risks [2:25:35] ang tanong [2:25:35] ay [2:25:36] bakit [2:25:36] isa [2:25:38] sa [2:25:39] bawat [2:25:39] pitong [2:25:39] bata [2:25:40] these [2:25:40] are [2:25:40] not [2:25:41] even [2:25:41] youth [2:25:41] these [2:25:41] are [2:25:42] children [2:25:42] 13 [2:25:43] to [2:25:43] 15 [2:25:43] years [2:25:43] old [2:25:44] bakit [2:25:44] isa [2:25:45] sa [2:25:45] bawat [2:25:45] pito [2:25:45] ang [2:25:46] gumagamit [2:25:47] na [2:25:47] nito [2:25:47] when [2:25:49] they [2:25:49] were [2:25:49] never [2:25:49] smokers [2:25:50] of [2:25:51] combustible [2:25:52] cigarettes [2:25:53] in the [2:25:53] first [2:25:53] place [2:25:54] at [2:25:54] kung [2:25:55] reduce [2:25:55] risk [2:25:55] bakit [2:25:56] nireport [2:25:57] ng [2:25:57] FNRI [2:25:58] noong [2:25:58] 2023 [2:25:59] na [2:26:00] merong [2:26:00] 1 [2:26:01] million [2:26:01] new [2:26:02] smokers [2:26:02] among [2:26:03] adolescents [2:26:04] again [2:26:05] we [2:26:05] presume [2:26:06] na [2:26:07] these [2:26:07] are [2:26:07] never [2:26:07] smokers [2:26:08] in the [2:26:08] first [2:26:09] place [2:26:09] so [2:26:10] kung [2:26:11] hindi [2:26:11] naman [2:26:11] sila [2:26:11] naninigarilyo [2:26:12] anong [2:26:13] harm [2:26:13] reduction [2:26:14] doon [2:26:14] sa [2:26:14] inuna [2:26:15] nila [2:26:15] or [2:26:16] nauna [2:26:16] silang [2:26:16] ma-introduce [2:26:17] dito [2:26:18] sa [2:26:18] addictive [2:26:18] flavor [2:26:19] na [2:26:20] ito [2:26:20] at [2:26:21] isa [2:26:21] rin [2:26:21] pong [2:26:21] moral [2:26:22] question [2:26:23] ay [2:26:23] bakit [2:26:24] hindi [2:26:24] problema [2:26:25] na [2:26:25] ang [2:26:26] nicotine [2:26:26] ay [2:26:27] driver [2:26:28] ng [2:26:28] addiction [2:26:29] nicotine [2:26:30] addiction [2:26:30] is a [2:26:31] problem [2:26:31] of our [2:26:32] children [2:26:32] and [2:26:32] youth [2:26:33] and [2:26:34] this [2:26:34] will [2:26:34] be [2:26:34] a [2:26:34] problem [2:26:35] of [2:26:35] adults [2:26:35] so [2:26:35] let's [2:26:36] not [2:26:36] create [2:26:36] a [2:26:37] generation [2:26:37] of [2:26:38] addicts [2:26:40] to [2:26:40] nicotine [2:26:40] kasi [2:26:41] marami [2:26:41] po [2:26:41] itong [2:26:41] problema [2:26:42] na [2:26:42] dinadala [2:26:43] sa [2:26:43] ating [2:26:43] lipunan [2:26:44] maraming [2:26:44] salamat [2:26:45] po [2:26:45] marami [2:26:46] salamat [2:26:46] din [2:26:47] Ms. [2:26:47] Ao [2:26:48] so [2:26:49] okay [2:26:49] before [2:26:50] I [2:26:50] close [2:26:50] engineer [2:26:51] Anna [2:26:51] let [2:26:53] me [2:26:53] just [2:26:54] state [2:26:55] that [2:26:56] while [2:26:56] nicotine [2:26:57] is not [2:26:58] considered [2:26:58] a human [2:26:59] carcinogen [2:26:59] it promotes [2:27:00] tumor [2:27:01] growth [2:27:05] so [2:27:06] it is [2:27:06] part of [2:27:07] the [2:27:08] progress [2:27:08] for the [2:27:09] cancer [2:27:11] producing [2:27:11] cells [2:27:13] so [2:27:13] if we [2:27:14] combine [2:27:14] it [2:27:15] with [2:27:15] different [2:27:16] chemicals [2:27:16] then [2:27:17] we can [2:27:19] establish [2:27:20] a [2:27:21] process [2:27:22] or [2:27:22] mechanism [2:27:23] that [2:27:23] can [2:27:23] be [2:27:24] considered [2:27:25] that [2:27:26] the [2:27:26] product [2:27:26] itself [2:27:27] may [2:27:27] be [2:27:27] considered [2:27:28] as [2:27:28] cancer [2:27:28] in [2:27:29] a [2:27:31] holistic [2:27:31] approach [2:27:33] so [2:27:34] we [2:27:35] would [2:27:35] also [2:27:35] like [2:27:35] to [2:27:36] make [2:27:36] a [2:27:36] point [2:27:37] that [2:27:37] we [2:27:37] are [2:27:37] not [2:27:38] just [2:27:39] concerned [2:27:40] with [2:27:41] the [2:27:41] liquid [2:27:41] but [2:27:41] also [2:27:42] with [2:27:42] the [2:27:42] emissions [2:27:43] because [2:27:44] with [2:27:44] the [2:27:44] emissions [2:27:44] we [2:27:45] have [2:27:45] established [2:27:46] already [2:27:46] that [2:27:46] there [2:27:47] are [2:27:48] formaldehyde [2:27:49] formation [2:27:50] which [2:27:51] are [2:27:51] human [2:27:53] carcinogens [2:27:54] not [2:27:55] only [2:27:56] formaldehyde [2:27:56] but [2:27:57] acrylene [2:27:57] and [2:27:57] acrylamide [2:27:58] which [2:27:59] are [2:27:59] known [2:27:59] human [2:28:00] carcinogens [2:28:01] which [2:28:01] are [2:28:01] formed [2:28:02] in [2:28:02] the [2:28:02] emission [2:28:03] of [2:28:03] the [2:28:03] vape [2:28:04] so [2:28:04] let [2:28:04] us [2:28:04] not [2:28:05] just [2:28:05] focus [2:28:06] ourselves [2:28:06] in [2:28:06] the [2:28:07] ingredients [2:28:07] but [2:28:08] also [2:28:08] in [2:28:08] the [2:28:08] emissions [2:28:09] thank [2:28:09] you [2:28:09] madam [2:28:09] chair [2:28:10] thank [2:28:12] you [2:28:12] also [2:28:12] engineer [2:28:13] Ana [2:28:13] and [2:28:14] before [2:28:14] I [2:28:14] close [2:28:15] Mr. [2:28:15] Dulay [2:28:16] yes [2:28:17] and [2:28:17] then [2:28:18] Mr. [2:28:18] Rossi [2:28:18] may [2:28:20] ask [2:28:20] for a [2:28:20] clarification [2:28:21] from [2:28:21] Dr. [2:28:22] Ana [2:28:22] Rivera [2:28:23] please [2:28:24] address [2:28:24] the [2:28:24] clarificatory [2:28:25] question [2:28:25] to the [2:28:26] chair [2:28:26] if [2:28:26] the [2:28:27] statement [2:28:29] that [2:28:30] nicotine [2:28:31] caused [2:28:32] cancer [2:28:33] was it [2:28:35] nicotine [2:28:36] that was [2:28:37] combusted [2:28:38] through [2:28:38] cigarettes [2:28:39] engineer [2:28:41] Ana [2:28:41] madam [2:28:43] chair [2:28:43] no [2:28:43] it is [2:28:44] nicotine [2:28:44] as a [2:28:45] standalone [2:28:46] ingredient [2:28:46] thank [2:28:48] thank [2:28:48] you [2:28:48] engineer [2:28:48] Ana [2:28:49] and [2:28:49] before [2:28:50] Dr. [2:28:50] Mata [2:28:51] Mr. [2:28:52] Rossi [2:28:52] did you [2:28:52] raise [2:28:53] your [2:28:53] hand [2:28:53] okay [2:28:53] madam [2:28:55] chair [2:28:55] before [2:28:56] we [2:28:56] close [2:28:57] or [2:28:58] before [2:28:58] we [2:28:58] adjourn [2:28:59] the [2:28:59] session [2:28:59] we'd [2:29:00] like [2:29:00] to [2:29:01] ask [2:29:01] for [2:29:01] your [2:29:01] permission [2:29:02] to [2:29:02] manifest [2:29:03] our [2:29:03] position [2:29:04] just [2:29:04] quickly [2:29:04] or [2:29:05] present [2:29:06] our [2:29:06] manifestation [2:29:06] that [2:29:07] we [2:29:07] support [2:29:08] the [2:29:08] measures [2:29:09] or [2:29:09] the [2:29:09] intent [2:29:10] of [2:29:10] the [2:29:10] measures [2:29:10] at [2:29:10] hand [2:29:11] I [2:29:12] want [2:29:12] to [2:29:12] say [2:29:13] again [2:29:13] to [2:29:13] committee [2:29:14] that [2:29:14] no [2:29:15] 2021 [2:29:16] 37,513 [2:29:19] adolescent [2:29:19] vape [2:29:20] smokers [2:29:21] age [2:29:21] 10 [2:29:22] to [2:29:22] 19 [2:29:22] years [2:29:23] old [2:29:23] it is [2:29:24] 423,185 [2:29:28] no [2:29:28] 2023 [2:29:29] so [2:29:30] what [2:29:31] we're [2:29:31] witnessing [2:29:32] today [2:29:32] is a [2:29:32] youth [2:29:33] epidemic [2:29:34] on [2:29:34] vaping [2:29:35] and [2:29:35] these [2:29:35] are [2:29:36] predictable [2:29:37] outcomes [2:29:38] of the [2:29:39] weakness [2:29:39] of the [2:29:40] vape [2:29:40] regulation [2:29:41] act [2:29:41] so [2:29:42] gusto [2:29:43] lang [2:29:43] bangitin [2:29:44] ulit [2:29:44] yun [2:29:45] dahil [2:29:45] sana [2:29:45] maalarma [2:29:46] na [2:29:46] ang [2:29:47] gobyerno [2:29:47] ang [2:29:48] kongreso [2:29:49] at [2:29:49] makonsensya [2:29:50] po [2:29:50] ang mga [2:29:50] dapat [2:29:50] makonsensya [2:29:51] ngayon [2:29:52] po [2:29:52] we [2:29:52] provided [2:29:53] some [2:29:53] list [2:29:54] of [2:29:54] recommendations [2:29:55] to [2:29:55] strengthen [2:29:55] our [2:29:56] regulatory [2:29:56] framework [2:29:57] or to [2:29:57] amend [2:29:57] for [2:29:58] example [2:29:59] the [2:29:59] SB21 [2:30:00] I [2:30:00] will [2:30:00] for [2:30:01] the [2:30:01] interest [2:30:01] of [2:30:01] time [2:30:01] siguro [2:30:02] di [2:30:02] ko [2:30:02] na [2:30:02] po [2:30:02] babanggitin [2:30:03] yung [2:30:03] exact [2:30:04] language [2:30:05] or [2:30:05] provisions [2:30:05] but [2:30:06] banggitin [2:30:06] ko [2:30:06] lamang [2:30:07] yung [2:30:07] iba [2:30:07] number [2:30:08] one [2:30:08] sa [2:30:09] regulatory [2:30:09] authority [2:30:10] we [2:30:10] support [2:30:10] na [2:30:11] dapat [2:30:11] maibalik [2:30:12] sa [2:30:12] FDA [2:30:12] but [2:30:13] we [2:30:13] recognize [2:30:14] that [2:30:14] they [2:30:14] cannot [2:30:15] do [2:30:15] it [2:30:15] alone [2:30:15] so [2:30:16] we [2:30:16] proposed [2:30:17] po [2:30:17] doon [2:30:17] sa [2:30:17] language [2:30:19] noong [2:30:19] section [2:30:19] 18 [2:30:20] of [2:30:20] SBN [2:30:21] 21 [2:30:21] na [2:30:21] clarified [2:30:22] yung [2:30:23] role [2:30:23] ng [2:30:23] bawat [2:30:23] government [2:30:25] agencies [2:30:25] including [2:30:26] PNP [2:30:28] BOC [2:30:29] BIR [2:30:31] at magkaroon [2:30:32] ng [2:30:32] interagency [2:30:33] coordination [2:30:34] because [2:30:35] nabanggit [2:30:35] po [2:30:35] kanina [2:30:36] na [2:30:36] talagang [2:30:37] isa po [2:30:38] sa [2:30:38] weaknesses [2:30:38] ng [2:30:39] law [2:30:39] enforcement [2:30:39] natin [2:30:40] ay yung [2:30:40] coordination [2:30:41] with [2:30:41] different [2:30:42] agencies [2:30:43] pangalwa [2:30:45] po [2:30:45] Madam [2:30:45] Chair [2:30:46] is yung [2:30:47] magkakaroon [2:30:48] po [2:30:48] ng [2:30:48] unified [2:30:48] monitoring [2:30:49] and [2:30:49] surveillance [2:30:50] system [2:30:50] so [2:30:50] I [2:30:50] think [2:30:51] Mr. [2:30:51] Castillo [2:30:51] mentioned [2:30:52] this [2:30:52] we [2:30:55] cannot [2:30:55] come up [2:30:55] with [2:30:56] sound [2:30:56] policy [2:30:57] or [2:30:58] database [2:30:58] policy [2:30:59] because [2:30:59] of [2:30:59] lack [2:30:59] of [2:31:00] evidence [2:31:00] and [2:31:01] data [2:31:01] so [2:31:02] we [2:31:02] propose [2:31:02] na [2:31:02] magkaroon [2:31:03] po [2:31:03] ng [2:31:03] section [2:31:03] na [2:31:04] magkakaroon [2:31:04] ng [2:31:05] national [2:31:06] monitoring [2:31:06] and [2:31:07] surveillance [2:31:07] system [2:31:07] so [2:31:08] that [2:31:08] the data [2:31:09] that [2:31:09] will [2:31:09] be [2:31:09] used [2:31:10] or [2:31:11] magkagather [2:31:11] from [2:31:12] that [2:31:12] system [2:31:12] will [2:31:12] be [2:31:13] used [2:31:13] by [2:31:13] Congress [2:31:14] by [2:31:14] the [2:31:15] executive [2:31:15] to [2:31:16] introduce [2:31:17] policy [2:31:18] interventions [2:31:18] yung [2:31:19] public [2:31:20] health [2:31:21] approach [2:31:21] to [2:31:21] minors [2:31:22] we [2:31:22] do [2:31:23] not [2:31:23] want [2:31:23] the [2:31:24] law [2:31:24] to [2:31:24] be [2:31:24] punitive [2:31:25] especially [2:31:26] to [2:31:26] minors [2:31:27] so [2:31:28] that's [2:31:28] why [2:31:28] we [2:31:29] recommend [2:31:29] na [2:31:29] magkaroon [2:31:30] po [2:31:30] nang [2:31:30] diversion [2:31:32] and [2:31:32] intervention [2:31:33] in line [2:31:34] with [2:31:34] RA [2:31:35] 9344 [2:31:36] and [2:31:37] then [2:31:37] we [2:31:37] introduce [2:31:37] minors [2:31:40] not only [2:31:40] doon [2:31:41] sa [2:31:41] mga [2:31:41] diversion [2:31:41] and [2:31:42] intervention [2:31:43] programs [2:31:43] but [2:31:44] also [2:31:44] to [2:31:44] public [2:31:45] health [2:31:45] interventions [2:31:46] and [2:31:47] lastly [2:31:49] po [2:31:49] accountability [2:31:50] mechanisms [2:31:51] so [2:31:52] gusto [2:31:52] natin [2:31:53] na [2:31:53] mas [2:31:53] malakas [2:31:53] yung [2:31:54] penalty [2:31:54] for [2:31:54] example [2:31:55] wala po [2:31:56] nakalagay [2:31:57] sa [2:31:57] SBN21 [2:31:58] na [2:31:58] kapag [2:31:59] repeated [2:31:59] violation [2:32:00] pwede [2:32:00] ma-revoke [2:32:00] yung [2:32:01] kanilang [2:32:01] license [2:32:01] or [2:32:02] masuspend [2:32:03] yung [2:32:03] kanilang [2:32:03] license [2:32:03] to [2:32:04] operate [2:32:04] so [2:32:04] we [2:32:05] included [2:32:05] that [2:32:05] and [2:32:06] then [2:32:06] another [2:32:06] section [2:32:07] for [2:32:07] product [2:32:08] standards [2:32:08] and [2:32:08] ingredient [2:32:09] disclosure [2:32:09] and [2:32:11] lastly [2:32:11] about [2:32:11] the [2:32:11] liability [2:32:12] of [2:32:12] digital [2:32:12] platforms [2:32:13] since [2:32:14] ito [2:32:14] po [2:32:14] yung [2:32:14] mga [2:32:14] sections [2:32:15] or [2:32:15] provisions [2:32:15] na [2:32:16] wala [2:32:16] dun [2:32:16] sa [2:32:16] SBN21 [2:32:18] that [2:32:18] would [2:32:18] enhance [2:32:19] our [2:32:20] accountability [2:32:21] mechanisms [2:32:22] and [2:32:22] lastly [2:32:23] po [2:32:23] yung [2:32:23] last [2:32:24] two [2:32:24] recommendations [2:32:24] is not [2:32:26] really [2:32:26] within [2:32:27] the scope [2:32:27] of [2:32:27] the [2:32:27] bill [2:32:28] or [2:32:28] the [2:32:28] bills [2:32:28] at [2:32:28] hand [2:32:29] but [2:32:29] we [2:32:29] want [2:32:29] to [2:32:29] put [2:32:29] it [2:32:30] on [2:32:30] record [2:32:30] for [2:32:31] the [2:32:31] committee's [2:32:31] consideration [2:32:32] on [2:32:32] future [2:32:33] actions [2:32:33] regarding [2:32:33] this [2:32:34] matter [2:32:34] number [2:32:35] one [2:32:35] is [2:32:35] on [2:32:35] taxation [2:32:36] again [2:32:37] we [2:32:37] emphasize [2:32:37] the [2:32:38] support [2:32:38] not [2:32:38] to [2:32:39] unify [2:32:39] the [2:32:40] tax [2:32:40] structure [2:32:40] of [2:32:42] vapor [2:32:42] products [2:32:43] but [2:32:43] on [2:32:43] a [2:32:43] higher [2:32:44] rate [2:32:44] higher [2:32:45] than [2:32:47] tobacco [2:32:48] products [2:32:48] to [2:32:49] avoid [2:32:49] misdeclaration [2:32:50] or [2:32:51] as we [2:32:52] tawagin [2:32:52] na [2:32:52] natin [2:32:53] may [2:32:53] iwasan [2:32:54] yung [2:32:54] tax [2:32:54] evasion [2:32:55] and [2:32:57] yung [2:32:57] pangalwa [2:32:58] yung [2:32:58] addressing [2:32:59] illicit [2:32:59] trade [2:33:00] so [2:33:00] nagawa [2:33:01] na [2:33:01] po [2:33:01] ito [2:33:01] noong [2:33:01] 19th [2:33:02] congress [2:33:02] so [2:33:03] AER [2:33:03] we [2:33:04] together [2:33:05] with [2:33:05] the [2:33:05] house [2:33:06] and [2:33:06] ways [2:33:06] and [2:33:06] means [2:33:06] committee [2:33:07] naipasa [2:33:09] po [2:33:09] on [2:33:09] third [2:33:10] reading [2:33:10] yung [2:33:10] anti [2:33:10] illicit [2:33:11] tobacco [2:33:11] trade [2:33:12] bill [2:33:12] unfortunately [2:33:13] hindi [2:33:13] lamang [2:33:14] di [2:33:14] po [2:33:14] siya [2:33:14] umabot [2:33:15] dito [2:33:15] sa [2:33:15] senate [2:33:15] but [2:33:16] hopefully [2:33:16] the [2:33:17] congress [2:33:17] will [2:33:17] consider [2:33:18] again [2:33:18] this [2:33:19] measure [2:33:19] that [2:33:20] will [2:33:20] strengthen [2:33:20] yung [2:33:21] tax [2:33:21] administration [2:33:22] natin [2:33:22] so [2:33:23] including [2:33:23] yung [2:33:23] track [2:33:24] entry [2:33:24] system [2:33:24] stricter [2:33:25] regulation [2:33:26] law [2:33:27] enforcement [2:33:27] coordination [2:33:28] and [2:33:29] stricter [2:33:30] penalties [2:33:30] po [2:33:31] or [2:33:31] stiffer [2:33:31] penalties [2:33:32] dun po [2:33:33] sa [2:33:33] mga [2:33:33] nagpo [2:33:34] proliferate [2:33:34] ng [2:33:35] illicit [2:33:35] trade [2:33:35] products [2:33:36] so [2:33:36] ang [2:33:37] panawagan [2:33:37] po [2:33:38] namin [2:33:38] madam [2:33:38] chair [2:33:39] na po [2:33:39] ay [2:33:39] sana po [2:33:40] isipin [2:33:41] natin [2:33:41] po [2:33:41] yung [2:33:41] mga [2:33:41] kabataang [2:33:42] Pilipino [2:33:42] yung [2:33:43] mga [2:33:43] bata [2:33:43] na [2:33:44] naapektuhan [2:33:44] po [2:33:45] ng mga [2:33:45] protoktong [2:33:45] ito [2:33:46] maraming [2:33:46] salamat [2:33:46] po [2:33:47] maraming [2:33:47] salamat [2:33:48] din [2:33:48] Mr. [2:33:48] Jose [2:33:49] tungkol [2:33:50] dun [2:33:50] sa [2:33:50] yung [2:33:51] taxation [2:33:51] alam [2:33:53] naman [2:33:53] ito [2:33:54] siguro [2:33:54] ng [2:33:54] AAR [2:33:55] pakikoordinate [2:33:55] muna [2:33:56] sa mga [2:33:56] counterparts [2:33:57] namin [2:33:57] sa [2:33:57] house [2:33:57] of [2:33:58] representatives [2:33:58] kasi [2:33:59] nga [2:33:59] yung [2:33:59] revenue [2:34:00] measures [2:34:01] kasama [2:34:01] na [2:34:01] tax [2:34:02] measures [2:34:02] kailangan [2:34:03] dun [2:34:03] muna [2:34:03] mag [2:34:03] emanate [2:34:04] habang [2:34:05] posibleng [2:34:05] pinaghandaan [2:34:06] ng [2:34:07] senate [2:34:08] magfile [2:34:09] ng [2:34:09] counterpart [2:34:09] measure [2:34:10] so [2:34:11] before [2:34:12] I [2:34:12] adjourn [2:34:13] Dr. [2:34:13] Mata [2:34:14] thank [2:34:16] you [2:34:16] your [2:34:16] honor [2:34:17] I [2:34:17] would [2:34:17] like [2:34:17] to [2:34:17] clarify [2:34:18] my [2:34:18] statement [2:34:18] a while [2:34:19] ago [2:34:19] that [2:34:20] the [2:34:21] primary [2:34:22] driver [2:34:22] driver [2:34:23] of [2:34:24] COPD [2:34:25] cancer [2:34:26] and [2:34:27] other [2:34:28] related [2:34:29] smoking [2:34:29] related [2:34:30] diseases [2:34:30] is [2:34:31] the [2:34:32] combustion [2:34:32] of [2:34:33] not [2:34:34] the [2:34:34] nicotine [2:34:35] this [2:34:35] was [2:34:35] established [2:34:36] by the [2:34:37] center [2:34:38] for [2:34:38] disease [2:34:39] control [2:34:39] and [2:34:39] prevention [2:34:40] themselves [2:34:40] so [2:34:41] and [2:34:42] of [2:34:43] course [2:34:44] I [2:34:44] would [2:34:44] like [2:34:44] to [2:34:44] caution [2:34:45] some [2:34:46] of [2:34:46] us [2:34:46] here [2:34:46] that [2:34:47] to [2:34:47] stop [2:34:48] to [2:34:49] probably [2:34:50] refrain [2:34:51] from [2:34:51] citing [2:34:52] causation [2:34:53] when [2:34:53] we [2:34:54] cannot [2:34:54] cite [2:34:56] any [2:34:57] peer-reviewed [2:34:58] studies [2:34:58] evidence [2:34:59] to [2:35:00] conclude [2:35:01] about [2:35:02] it [2:35:02] thank [2:35:05] you [2:35:05] Dr. [2:35:05] Mata [2:35:06] though [2:35:06] even [2:35:06] that [2:35:07] may [2:35:07] be [2:35:07] arguable [2:35:07] well [2:35:08] noted [2:35:08] very [2:35:10] last [2:35:11] unless [2:35:12] matter [2:35:14] of [2:35:14] life [2:35:14] and [2:35:14] death [2:35:14] makapagsalita [2:35:15] thank you [2:35:15] pa [2:35:16] thank you [2:35:17] chair [2:35:17] this [2:35:18] will [2:35:18] be [2:35:18] short [2:35:18] just [2:35:19] reiterating [2:35:19] as we [2:35:20] close [2:35:20] this [2:35:20] particular [2:35:22] meeting [2:35:22] for [2:35:22] today [2:35:22] that [2:35:23] the [2:35:23] DOHF [2:35:24] DNLCP [2:35:25] is very [2:35:25] strong [2:35:25] in its [2:35:26] recommendation [2:35:26] to ban [2:35:27] vapes [2:35:27] but [2:35:28] if we [2:35:29] cannot [2:35:29] go [2:35:29] there [2:35:30] yet [2:35:30] with [2:35:30] the [2:35:30] banning [2:35:31] we [2:35:32] would [2:35:32] like [2:35:33] to [2:35:33] suggest [2:35:33] the [2:35:33] most [2:35:34] strict [2:35:35] measure [2:35:35] when [2:35:36] it [2:35:36] comes [2:35:36] to [2:35:36] regulating [2:35:37] vapes [2:35:37] thank [2:35:38] you [2:35:38] Madam [2:35:38] chair [2:35:38] thank [2:35:43] you [2:35:44] Dr. [2:35:44] Madumba [2:35:45] and [2:35:46] marami [2:35:47] salamat [2:35:48] sa lahat [2:35:49] ng mga [2:35:49] resource [2:35:50] persons [2:35:50] at [2:35:51] stakeholders [2:35:51] malinawang [2:35:53] direksyon [2:35:54] ng [2:35:54] committee [2:35:54] hindi [2:35:56] sapat [2:35:56] ang [2:35:56] safeguards [2:35:57] kulang [2:35:59] ang [2:35:59] proteksyon [2:36:00] sa [2:36:00] kabataan [2:36:01] may [2:36:02] butas [2:36:03] ang [2:36:03] regulasyon [2:36:04] lalo [2:36:04] na [2:36:04] online [2:36:05] at [2:36:07] dapat [2:36:07] public [2:36:07] health [2:36:08] ang [2:36:08] sentro [2:36:09] ng [2:36:09] polisiya [2:36:09] let [2:36:10] me [2:36:11] be [2:36:11] clear [2:36:11] this [2:36:12] is [2:36:12] not [2:36:13] anti [2:36:13] industry [2:36:14] this [2:36:15] is [2:36:15] pro [2:36:16] health [2:36:16] pro [2:36:18] youth [2:36:18] hindi [2:36:20] ito [2:36:20] tungkol [2:36:20] sa [2:36:20] produkto [2:36:21] ito [2:36:22] ay [2:36:23] tungkol [2:36:23] sa [2:36:23] tao [2:36:24] as [2:36:24] Dr. [2:36:25] Mata [2:36:25] for one [2:36:26] mentioned [2:36:27] kung [2:36:28] mas [2:36:28] madaling [2:36:28] ma-access [2:36:29] kaysa [2:36:30] ma-control [2:36:31] may mali [2:36:33] sa [2:36:33] sistema [2:36:33] are we [2:36:35] willing [2:36:35] to [2:36:35] prevent [2:36:36] harm [2:36:36] before [2:36:37] it [2:36:38] becomes [2:36:38] irreversible [2:36:39] nakita [2:36:41] na natin [2:36:41] ang [2:36:41] epekto [2:36:42] ng [2:36:42] delayed [2:36:43] regulation [2:36:44] this [2:36:45] time [2:36:45] we [2:36:46] act [2:36:46] early [2:36:47] we [2:36:48] act [2:36:48] decisively [2:36:49] the [2:36:50] committee [2:36:50] secretary [2:36:51] will [2:36:51] convene [2:36:53] a [2:36:53] technical [2:36:53] working [2:36:54] group [2:36:54] to [2:36:54] finalize [2:36:55] the [2:36:55] report [2:36:55] muli [2:36:57] po [2:36:57] maraming [2:36:57] salamat [2:36:58] sa [2:36:58] lahat [2:36:58] sa [2:36:58] bawat [2:36:59] isa [2:36:59] sa [2:36:59] inyo [2:36:59] the [2:37:00] hearing [2:37:00] is [2:37:00] adjourned [2:37:01] po [2:37:03] a [2:37:03] po [2:37:04] as [2:37:06] as [2:37:08] as [2:37:10] as [2:37:10] are [2:37:12] as [2:37:16] as [2:37:17] as [2:37:18] as [2:37:18] as [2:37:19] as [2:37:20] as [2:37:21] as [2:37:22] as