Gordon: Replacing SP Sotto amid looming VP impeach trial would send bad sign — ANC

[0:00] Okay. Now, you've been a senator for many, many years. [0:03] And right now, there's a threat to actually replace Tito Soto as Senate President. [0:11] There's, kumbaga may nagbabad yung Senate coup, that the minority may have the numbers. [0:17] There are talks that Alan Cayetano is a possible Senate President if the coup succeeds. [0:25] What do you make of this? [0:26] And the alleged intention is to block the impeachment of the Vice President. [0:32] I repeat this, it is alleged. [0:35] Well, they can do everything they want because they're making all kinds of noises. [0:39] I just heard the Vice President say that the President doesn't even know how to use a computer. [0:43] They will do everything to try and get the attention of the public away from the impeachment. [0:50] The very fact that the Vice President has not attended any of the hearings, [0:55] and the policy is to avoid it and go to the public and come up with a little nice quotable quotes, [1:02] you know, trying to get to the public's good side. [1:07] I don't think that's going to work. [1:08] And if they try to change Mr. Soto, it will be a very, very bad sign once again. [1:15] Again, it will be a nail on the coffin of our democracy if they do that. [1:19] I mean, impeachment is the last recourse of the people. [1:22] That is why it is what they call a class unto itself, sui generis. [1:27] And if they don't do that, then people are being deprived of their right to go to a trial [1:36] that will not even result in incarceration. [1:38] That will be another step later on. [1:41] People just want to know what happened and who is guilty. [1:45] And that's it. [1:46] If they don't do anything about it, then, you know, how many cases have happened to us? [1:51] Nausami tayo. [1:53] Informally, people did not sign. [1:55] Some people did not sign. [1:56] And again, they're not going to sign. [1:59] It's their right not to sign. [2:03] No. [2:03] It's not just their right. [2:04] It is their duty to perform their job as senators. [2:07] I mean, they cannot shirk from their duty na hindi nila pipirmahan [2:12] because naiipit sila sa politika, natatakot sila sa 2028 for various reasons. [2:18] People are not going to accept that. [2:20] Kahit nakala nila sarado-sarado pag-iiso ng mga tao na pumupuli kay President Duterte, [2:27] I think may hanggalang lahat siya. [2:29] Mr. Estrada was extremely popular and yet he was toppled. [2:33] And, you know, you can take a look at the history of the world. [2:36] Many, many people expected these strongmen to stay along [2:42] and people continue to abuse. [2:45] They will eventually be toppled. [2:47] They will be in the dustbin of history. [2:50] It's quite interesting that you mentioned former President Joseph Estrada. [2:55] Yeah, there are many learnings there. [2:58] When you, I'm sure you watched the House Justice Committee hearings, [3:02] what for you was the strongest charge against Vice President Duterte? [3:10] I'm sorry, I didn't get the question. [3:12] What was the strongest accusation against the Vice President for you? [3:17] What was the most impeachable among the accusations? [3:21] Well, practically all are priority back here, you know, stealing from the public. [3:27] You know, just the disbursement of the confidential funds that have never been explained. [3:34] You know, names coming out of the woodwork that people don't know. [3:39] The threats with the Vice President. [3:42] You know, if you go down to the record of this Vice President, [3:47] she has been getting away with everything. [3:50] When she was mayor, she beat up a lowly employee in public, violently. [3:56] And then now, she's still at it again. [3:59] Now, she's saying, it's impossible, you know, and yet, it stares them in the face. [4:06] 6.7 billion ang hindi nila may paliwanag. [4:10] Bakit hindi nila may paliwanag? [4:11] It'd be a simple case to say, all right, papaliwanag namin, dito ko kinuhingan. [4:15] And yet, naiipit sila because their cell and they hang themselves to their own cell and there is no cash deposits, [4:22] there is no cash on hand, kaya takot-takot silang humarap. [4:26] Because when the trial comes in, kaya manalo o hindi, all the evidence will be presented. [4:35] It is no longer a trial of the Vice President. [4:38] It's no longer a trial of the Senate. [4:40] It is a trial on the courage of the Filipino people to finally make a stand. [4:46] We are not going to take this anymore. [4:48] We cannot tempt the patience of a thousand icebergs. [4:51] Nakul na kul tayo. [4:52] Well, the country is burning. [4:55] The country is having a rough time. [4:57] You know, prices of oil will go up again. [5:00] We don't know what's going to happen in the Middle East. [5:02] And yet, kahit na kanya, sukdulan na talaga yung kasakiman, sukdulan na talaga yung kanilang indifference na tinababayaan na. [5:11] One of the things that I've always despised is the inability of this country to be able to prosecute the guilty parties. [5:20] Nakakawala lahat. [5:21] Kaya, you know, even Estrada walked out of the impeachment. [5:27] You know, we never got any closure on many of the killings and many of the things. [5:34] We have to send Duterte to abroad. [5:38] And yet, we even have a law here on international humanitarian law where there is no prescription. [5:44] And yet, talagang takot yung mga leader natin. [5:46] Takot labanan, pati mga tao tuloy natatakot. [5:50] It is a colonial hangover. [5:51] Takot tayo sa mga nagaharing uri. [5:54] Ayaw natin lumabang, baka mapahamak tayo. [5:57] But I think, like many, many countries, there is an end to all this. [6:01] And people, they are misreading the polls if they think that the people are still going to accept their shenanigans. [6:09] All right. [6:10] Now, Senator Gordon, the camp of Vice President Sara Duterte explained that the reason she had no cash on hand was that her cash was in others, sa sal-en. [6:25] Nilagay daw nandun sa others yun. [6:28] Pwede ba yun? [6:29] No. [6:30] That's why there is a sal-en. [6:32] There is a basis upon which you can see, lumaki ba yung yaman mo? [6:37] Kung tatago mo yun, that's material concealment. [6:41] You cannot conceal your cash. [6:42] You cannot conceal it by putting it on other people's names or whatever. [6:47] They have to come out. [6:49] You know, the question is very simple. [6:50] It's standing down their face. [6:52] People are asking, saan galing ang wealth ninyo? [6:54] Bakit ang lalaki ng descripan? [6:56] From a certain year, 2011, I think it is, to 2017, they went up to about 6.7 billion. [7:04] Saan mo kukunan yung 6.7 billion? [7:06] I mean, even if you win the sweepstakes several times, saan mo kukunan? [7:12] Ang sinasabi ko, take a look at Madriaga's statement. [7:15] Madriaga said he was told by President Duterte to provide the Vice President campaign funds of 175 billion and 100 million. [7:26] Saan ang kinuha? [7:27] Kinuha kay Lin Wei-Shong, who ran away from Farmally. [7:31] Itong Farmally is right at the center of it because this is the group that really Duterte was using, again, an extension of his Davao domain to try and keep on stealing from the public. [7:49] It always comes out. [7:51] Now, they're, and yet, Madriaga, under oath, even opened his bank accounts, unlike the Vice President, who doesn't want to open any of his accounts. [8:00] It means that talagang ginamit nila yung pera. [8:03] Farmally was their own piggy bank. [8:04] So, when they need money, o tawag mo si Lin Wei-Shong, kumuha ka dyan. [8:09] O gali ng mga politikong nagluluko yan, yung mga nagluluko sa flag control. [8:15] O kumuha ka dyan, may pera tayo dyan, may patago tayo dyan, kumita yan sa atin, kwede kang humila ng pera dyan anytime. [8:21] And it's very, very clear that Farmally occurred in, starting in April 2020, and ended in July 2021. [8:33] Madriaga said that sometime in 2021, he was ordered by President Duterte. [8:39] So, in effect, who had control of the money? [8:42] It's not Lin Wei-Shong. [8:44] He may have been taking out the money. [8:46] Every time they got money, it went out of the country right away. [8:49] And here's my question. [8:52] It's not a patatang tinatulong. [8:53] Bakit natutulog yung AMLA? [8:56] Takot sila kay Duterte. [8:57] Pero wala na si Duterte. [8:59] Ngayon, panahon, para investigayin niya mga AMLA na yan. [9:02] Bakit hindi kumalaw yung ombudsman? [9:04] These are the guide rails para hindi makakalusot ang kawalagihan. [9:08] Ang ombudsman, may tangan ng ombudsman. [9:10] Bakit tinatago ni Justice Martinis noong araw, yung pera ni Duterte ayaw magpabukas ng SAL-M? [9:16] Ngayon, may pagkakataon tayo. [9:18] Every time somebody steals, you should take a look at the SAL-M, [9:22] because doon makikita yung track record nitong mga ito. [9:25] At makikita ko kung tumaas, lumaki, saan nagpunta. [9:28] Okay. I think you were at the forefront of the Farmily investigation [9:36] when you were chairing the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee. [9:41] Ipaliwanag natin sa publiko itong karakter ni Michael Yang. [9:47] Because Michael Yang was at the center of Farmily. [9:50] At one point, it was believed Michael Yang had a house in Forbes. [9:54] And there seems to be an alleged connection between Michael Yang and Sammy Uy, [10:01] who was allegedly depositing 7 million pesos to the alleged bank account of Duterte [10:08] and his daughter, Vice President Sara Duterte. [10:12] 7 million pesos every... [10:15] I mean, relatively consistently based on the records of former Senator Antonio Trillanes. [10:21] So, what is the business? [10:23] Ikwento mo yun, Senator Gordon, based on your investigation, [10:28] ano ba ang negosyo nitong si Michael Yang? [10:30] Bakit sila ang ginagamit at ilang beses nasabit ang pangalan nila? [10:37] Well, Michael Yang, Duterte, according to himself, [10:40] he knew 20 years during the Farmily investigation. [10:44] Ito daw, nagdinegosyo lang ito. [10:46] Di ba nag-iibita tayo ng Korean investment? [10:48] Di ba sinasabi niya palagi eh? [10:50] Mayroon siya cellphone business. [10:52] Can you imagine? [10:53] Yung cellphone business niya nagkaroon ng 625,000 pesos [10:57] at yun ang binigyan ng napakalaking, you know... [11:03] Contrata. [11:04] Contrata sa Farmily. [11:07] At the time na nag-ihikaw sa Pilipino, [11:10] na maraming lumamatay, maraming humahanap ng hospital, [11:13] binigyan itong Michael Yang. [11:14] Dahil sabi niya, kaibigan ko yan. [11:16] Matagal ko nagkilala yan. [11:18] Inappoint pa niya ng economic advisor. [11:20] So may gayuma yan. [11:21] Dinali siya sa China. [11:23] Kasama niya sa China. [11:27] Doon nagpuputi sa maraming tayong nitrato niyan. [11:29] Nakakapasok sa corridors of power, [11:32] sa bedroom of intrigue ni Duterte na doon. [11:35] Pati yung assistant niya na si Lincoln Chen. [11:37] And we have pictures nakasama si Michael Lincoln Ong, [11:41] nakasama si President Duterte at saka si Michael Yang. [11:44] So may gayuma. [11:45] Now if we look back at Farmily, [11:47] talongin natin, gumalaw ba yung BIR at that time [11:50] para kunin yung mga kotse na kinuha nila? [11:53] Doon na ang pag-uumbisa. [11:54] You know, ang Blue Ribbon, open ang investigation niyan. [11:58] Tinasabi ko noong araw, [11:59] hindi lang just sa Farmily, [12:01] muna doon sa iba, sa immigration, [12:03] mag-investigin natin. [12:04] Makinig ang Ombudsman, [12:05] makinig ang AMLA [12:06] because doon makakakita ng mga ebidensya. [12:10] At pag may nakita na silang ebidensya, [12:12] yung mga expensive cars, [12:14] yung mga andalaki ng suwardo, [12:15] yung mga niloloko nilang tao, [12:18] hindi na dapat sabihan ng Presidente, [12:20] yan ang AMLA, [12:21] yan ang guidepost natin, [12:22] guide rails. [12:23] Yan ang automatic investigayin na yan. [12:27] Eh dito sa atin, [12:28] 500,000 lang noong araw, [12:30] sisitahin na yung mga person na katulad naman. [12:34] Katulad naman, mga politiko, [12:35] pag naglabas ka dyan, [12:37] tatanis sa magaling ang pera niya. [12:38] And yet, [12:39] the silence was deafening, [12:41] the inaction was really, [12:44] napakalaki ng inaction na talagang magtataka ka. [12:47] Protektado. [12:48] And all the way, [12:49] if you look at the minutes of the hearing, [12:53] ang proteksyon ni Duterte, [12:56] magtataka ka. [12:57] Presidente, [12:58] pinuproteksyon niya itong kaibigan niyang Chinese, [13:00] at consistent siya, [13:02] now, [13:03] kumikiling siya si China, [13:05] si Michael Yang, [13:06] ang pagdur dyan, [13:07] siya ang nagano, [13:08] ng mga sige, [13:08] meron doon negosyo, [13:09] Pilipinas, [13:10] wala. [13:12] Palagi hindi na-depende niya yan. [13:14] And knowing that, [13:15] ang laki-laki na niya yan ako, [13:17] it would have been a simple matter [13:18] for him to announce it, [13:20] now, [13:21] inbis again, [13:22] si China, [13:23] si Michael Yang. [13:25] But he couldn't do that, [13:26] because [13:27] Presidente Duterte [13:28] was the one who transferred the money [13:30] from DOH. [13:32] He ordered Duker to transfer the money [13:34] to this unknown agency [13:36] called the [13:36] PSDBM [13:42] na hawak ng mga tao niya, [13:44] ng mga nagkampanya sa kanya, [13:45] sila Michael Yang, [13:47] etong si Leong, [13:48] at sunod-sunod, [13:50] magtataka ka, [13:51] in two months, [13:52] ang kanilang na ilabas ay [13:54] 3 billion, [13:56] may 2 billion, [13:59] in May 2020, [14:05] they put out 3.82 billion. [14:07] In June 9, [14:08] they put out 2.87 billion. [14:11] Yun lang, [14:12] malingita mo na, [14:13] in just a short period of time, [14:15] Land Bank was paying [14:17] Lin Wei Xiong, [14:18] na tao ni Michael Yang, [14:20] at walang hinabol yung AMLA. [14:22] Paano pala [14:23] mabayaran na ganyan? [14:24] Wala kang technical capability, [14:27] wala kang financial capability, [14:28] wala kang pera. [14:29] Dapat doon pa lang, [14:31] hindi tayo pinagbiliin [14:32] itong mga tao, [14:33] who does, [14:34] na nasa gobyerno, [14:35] hindi lang pinagbiliin [14:36] ang tao doon [14:37] sa mga tao yan. [14:38] Now, [14:40] were illegal drugs [14:42] ever established [14:43] as an alleged [14:45] business [14:47] of Michael Yang? [14:49] Because the accusation [14:50] of former Senator [14:52] Antronio Trillanes, [14:53] he called [14:54] Sami Uy [14:55] in the lower house [14:56] as a drug protector. [15:00] Na-establish ba yun [15:01] during your hearings [15:02] na may involvement [15:04] sa drugs [15:04] si Michael Yang? [15:06] I don't think [15:07] that was established [15:08] in fairness. [15:09] But what has been established [15:10] by AMLA now [15:11] and by the investigation, [15:15] was naglalabas sila [15:16] ng lipak ng pagnasalita [15:17] that's another bit. [15:18] Yung tinitawag yun [15:19] unexplained wealth. [15:21] Saan kinungko yung pera yan? [15:22] That is why I'm saying, [15:23] pagka may nakita na yung AMLA, [15:25] may nakita na yung Bushman, [15:27] dapat investigay na kagad [15:28] because [15:29] saan mo kinungko yan? [15:30] Suspicious na kagad yan. [15:32] Di ba? [15:32] Suspicious transaction. [15:34] Eh bakit hindi inimbestiga? [15:35] Because takot [15:36] kay President Duterte [15:38] at that time yung mga tao. [15:39] Ngayon wala na si President Duterte, [15:41] panahon na parang kumilos [15:42] ang Bushman [15:43] and I think kumikilo sila [15:44] ng konti, [15:45] dapat lakasan nila [15:46] at pati yung AMLA [15:48] because madyan nila [15:49] maalalabas tayo [15:50] yung mga dokumento [15:51] na dapat pati [15:53] yung land bank [15:54] naglabas ng pera yan, [15:55] dapat investigayin [15:56] bakit yung nilabas yan, [15:58] ang banko dapat [16:00] nagre-report [16:00] pag naglabas [16:01] ng over 500,000. [16:03] Ito, [16:03] billion-billion [16:04] in a short space [16:05] of a year [16:08] ang dami-dami [16:08] na wala pera. [16:10] Okay. [16:10] Now, [16:11] in July 2025, [16:14] the brother [16:14] of Michael Yang, [16:16] I don't know [16:17] if you remember this, [16:18] was arrested, no? [16:20] He was arrested [16:21] and he was [16:22] in the Pasay City Jail. [16:24] Do you have [16:24] any information, [16:26] Senator? [16:26] Because technically, [16:27] you were the one [16:28] who broke this [16:29] in the Senate [16:30] Blue Ribbon Committee [16:30] noon. [16:32] Anong nangyari [16:32] kay Michael Yang? [16:34] What happened to him? [16:36] Well, [16:36] Michael Yang [16:37] did not even appear [16:38] with us. [16:38] Remember, [16:39] he was hiding [16:39] in the vault. [16:41] Lin Wei Xiong [16:41] was allowed [16:42] to go to Dubai. [16:42] When I talked [16:43] to the embossed, [16:44] alam mo, [16:44] narinig ko si Lin Wei Xiong [16:46] may nakakita sa kanya, [16:47] nasa Dubai na. [16:49] Ang sagot sa akin [16:49] ni Martin [16:50] matagal lang [16:51] nasa Dubai yan. [16:53] Eh, [16:53] anong ginagawa niya noon? [16:54] So, [16:55] talaga, [16:55] ito sa conspiracy [16:56] of people [16:58] appointed by the President [16:59] to protect these people. [17:01] And now is the time. [17:03] Dapat buksa da yan. [17:04] Bulat-latin na talaga [17:05] lahat siya [17:05] para maalaman ng tao. [17:07] Kaya pag lumabas siya, [17:08] walang tataguan [17:09] itong mga Duterte [17:10] sabagat [17:11] makikita na [17:13] limpak-limpak [17:14] na salita [17:14] sa lapi [17:15] habang naghihirapan tao [17:17] ang kanilang kinukuha [17:18] at ginagamit [17:19] papagkampanya. [17:20] Sabi ni Madreaga, [17:21] inutusin siya [17:22] para may pagkampanya [17:23] yung kanyang ginagawa, [17:25] yung [17:26] Inday Sara [17:27] is my president. [17:28] Imagine, [17:30] nakakapag-udas, [17:31] punta mo lang [17:32] si Lin Waiso [17:33] humingi ka ng [17:33] 175 million, [17:34] humingi ka ng [17:35] 100 million, [17:36] nagbibigay. [17:37] Even that alone [17:38] shows [17:39] na talagang [17:40] ang may hawak [17:41] talaga ng pera [17:42] ay ang Presidente Duterte. [17:44] Okay, [17:45] let's move on now [17:46] to the flood control [17:46] investigation [17:47] of the Senate [17:48] Blue Ribbon Committee. [17:50] Senator Panfilo Laxon [17:52] presented the findings. [17:54] Are you satisfied [17:55] of how the investigation went [17:57] and who have been called [17:59] into account? [18:01] Well, [18:02] yung lumabas na lahat siya, [18:04] happy ako. [18:05] Naglabasa na [18:06] sa lungga nila yun, [18:08] yung pinagtataguan [18:08] niya mga dagahan na yun. [18:11] Nakita na natin, [18:12] may mga projects [18:12] sa Mindoro. [18:13] hindi [18:15] ginagasas yung pera [18:16] under, [18:18] hindi talaga [18:19] mayos. [18:20] Sa Bulacan, [18:21] there was a, [18:22] there are projects [18:23] na talaga [18:23] wala talagang ginawa [18:24] pero binaya na. [18:26] That alone [18:27] should [18:28] invite all the [18:29] embudsman [18:29] and the AMLA [18:31] to chase after [18:32] these people. [18:33] Saan yung dinala yung pera? [18:34] Bakit kayo nagkaperang ganyan? [18:36] Wala pa akong nakikita gano'n [18:37] and I hope it will happen. [18:39] Nakikita ko may mga trial. [18:41] You know, [18:41] you cannot catch everybody [18:42] at the same time [18:43] but you can begin [18:44] the investigation. [18:45] For example, [18:46] isang senador niya [18:47] nasa sandigang bahay na yan. [18:49] Naglalabasa na, [18:49] nagdadala ng pera sa kanya. [18:52] Eh, [18:52] meron pang iba. [18:53] Ang dami-dami din na [18:53] na binagitang pangalan. [18:56] We're after trying [18:57] to get the big fish. [18:58] That's good. [18:59] But you now have [19:00] the opportunity now [19:01] that yung galabayan [19:02] ng itong nakaraang presidente [19:03] ay humina na [19:04] dapat malaman na lahat [19:05] ngayon ng tao yan. [19:07] Ang sinabi ko, [19:08] we're wasting time [19:10] walking on eggs [19:12] para tayong lumalakot [19:13] sa mga itlog [19:14] na hindi pa [19:14] hampasin ng gusto [19:16] lahat yung mga sinasabi dyan. [19:17] For example, [19:19] Command Responsibility, [19:20] the Secretary of Public Works, [19:22] sa kanya nang galing lahat sa pera [19:23] yung hirap papakalat [19:24] mga tao niya lahat sa. [19:25] Wala akong narinig. [19:27] The silence [19:27] is deafening from [19:29] Bonoan. [19:30] Nakapunta pa siya sa Amerika. [19:31] Dapat siya, [19:33] I'm sure nakahabla na yan, [19:34] pero mahina ang dating. [19:36] So kailangan talaga [19:37] mabilis [19:38] at kung gusto, [19:41] they can have [19:42] continuous hearings [19:43] of all these people. [19:44] Padaling makahuli yan. [19:45] Zaldico, you talked about [19:46] Command Responsibility. [19:48] In the press video statement [19:51] of former House Speaker [19:53] Martin Romualdez, [19:54] he said that [19:56] in passing the 2025 budget [19:59] that has been described [20:00] as the most corrupt [20:02] by some sectors, [20:04] he essentially pinned [20:05] the blame [20:06] on Zaldico, [20:07] his Appropriations Committee Chair, [20:09] and Senate President [20:11] Francis Escudero [20:12] as the two [20:13] that decided [20:15] on the budget. [20:16] And he essentially [20:18] cleansed his hands [20:20] of it. [20:21] Pwede ba yun, [20:22] Senator Gordon, [20:23] kung ikaw [20:24] ang House Speaker [20:25] at ang boss [20:26] ng budget [20:27] ay yung APRO? [20:29] Well, [20:29] ang totoo niyan, [20:31] kung sino ang Senate President, [20:32] sino ang Speaker, [20:33] kung talagang [20:34] nag-iingat sila, [20:35] malalaman nila [20:35] bakit ang lalaki [20:36] nung binibigay dito [20:37] sa mga congressman na ito [20:38] at nakakalabas sila dyan. [20:40] At ang totoo niyan, [20:42] kung titignan mo yung [20:43] dalawa, [20:44] ang responsible dyan [20:45] dalawa, [20:46] yung Committee on Appropriations [20:48] na si Zaldico [20:49] at sa Senate [20:50] Committee on Finance [20:52] na hawak. [20:53] That's great. [20:54] That was graceful. [20:56] That's correct. [20:56] Lalapitan lahat yan [20:57] ng congressman, [20:58] lalapitan lahat [20:58] ng senator yan. [21:00] Hindi na bubulatlat yan. [21:02] Basta nakita natin [21:03] meron tayong bogeyman. [21:04] Ang bogeyman natin [21:05] si Michael ko, [21:06] maganda, [21:07] alien, [21:08] of alien background, [21:11] pero hindi natin [21:11] hinahanap talaga [21:12] yung dapat [21:13] malaman [21:14] sapagat [21:15] tila [21:15] nagkukong tayo, [21:18] nag-aalangan tayo. [21:20] Pero makikita mo, [21:22] si Michael Yang, [21:25] dapat talaga [21:27] yung anino niya [21:28] naka niya lahat, [21:29] si Lin Wei Xiong, [21:30] lumalabas sa family, [21:32] lumalabas niya naman ngayon. [21:33] So talaga [21:34] all these things, [21:36] when you put them together, [21:37] pag tinahin mo yan, [21:38] isa lang ang [21:39] nagpapatakbo talaga yan. [21:41] And [21:41] mahanap tayo [21:42] ng mastermind. [21:43] We don't have to. [21:45] Bakuha mo lang [21:45] yung mastermind [21:46] sa Bulacan, [21:47] makuha mo lang [21:47] yung nagpatakbo [21:48] dito sa Batangas, [21:49] Goberon, [21:50] dito sa... [21:51] Makikita mo, [21:52] and it's all [21:53] connected to power. [21:54] Pag hinahanap po lahat, [21:55] halimbawa, [21:56] huwag naman magalit [21:57] sa akin yung iba, [21:57] karamihan yan, [21:58] dynastic. [22:00] Dynastic. [22:01] If you look at all the projects [22:02] in particular provinces [22:04] where there's a powerful [22:05] dynasty in operation, [22:07] you will find something wrong. [22:08] Dapat tinitingyan ng tao yan. [22:09] Yung mga binoboto nyo, [22:11] pagkakapatid, [22:12] pagama, [22:13] dyan tingyan nyo. [22:14] Kapag dyan, [22:15] mapikita na talagang [22:16] gumagawa ng pera, [22:18] halos, [22:19] kayang-kayang lang gumawa ng pera [22:20] because they are so powerful. [22:23] On that note, [22:24] I want to thank you [22:24] for joining me today. [22:26] Former Senator Richard Gordon. [22:28] Thank you, sir. [22:29] It's always a pleasure, Karen. [22:30] Thank you.