Ombudsman Remulla faces House Justice Committee on VP Duterte's SALN records — ANC

[0:00] We shall now commence the presentation of our resource persons, including the documents that they will be submitting to this committee. [0:10] The floor is now open for clarificatory questions of the Justice members. [0:15] Madam Chair. [0:16] The Honorable Suwa is recognized. [0:19] Thank you, Madam Chair. [0:20] Madam Chair, since nandito na po yung ating ombudsman, base po sa imbitasyon ng subpina na itong committee, [0:30] po pwede po ba ako mag-proceed para sa aking clarificatory questions? [0:34] You may proceed, Honorable Suwa. [0:36] Thank you, Madam Chair. [0:38] Mr. Ombudsman, kayo po ay naanyahan ngayong araw para makapagdala po ng SAL-EN ng ating Vice President [0:48] base po sa aming, para po makatulong sa amin sa determination of probable cause sa SAL-EN violation or sa Ilgaten Wealth. [1:03] Pwede ko po bang matanong kung dala po ninyo yung SAL-EN ng ating Vice President? [1:07] May we direct the committee or secretary to receive the copy of the SAL-ENs which are being submitted by the Office of the Ombudsman [1:36] so that the same will form part of the records of our proceeding. [1:39] The committee notes that the Ombudsman already submitted ahead of the commencement of this proceeding. [2:01] Honorable Suwa. [2:01] Thank you, Madam Chair. [2:03] Madam Chair, gusto ko pong tanongin ang ating Ombudsman kasi base po dun sa paragraph 107 ng Sabalia Complaint, [2:15] ang ating pong Vice President ay naging Vice Mayor ng Dabao noong taong 2007 hanggang 2010. [2:24] At siya rin po ay naging Alkalde ng Dabao mula 2010 hanggang 2013, 2016 hanggang 2019 at 2019 hanggang 2022. [2:37] But I notice, Madam Chair, ang naibigay lamang sa ating mga dokumento dito ay mula 2016 hanggang 2024. [2:49] Pwede ko pong pwede ko pong malaman nasan po yung SAL-EN noong taong 2007 hanggang 2015 noong ating pong Vice President ay Vice Mayor at Mayor ng Dabao? [3:02] Isang paglilinaw, kasama ko po dito ang aming opisyal ng Ombudsman, si Atty. Karen Batu ng Central Records Division upang sumagot po sa mga tanong na particular tungkol po sa mga dokumento. [3:24] Sapagkat hindi ko po nakakikita ito mga dokumentong ito sapagkat iba po ang aking ginagawa sa Office of the Ombudsman. [3:31] Maaari po ipasad na po ang mikrofon kay Atty. Karen Batu. [3:36] We recognize Atty. Karen Batu. Please answer the question. [3:39] Good morning, Your Honor. [3:42] Based po din sa submission namin earlier before the proceedings, kasama po sa sinabit namin yung 2007 to 2012 SAL-EN ng ating Vice President. [3:53] May certification din po tayo na yung subpina po kasi is from 2007 to 2013, 2016 to 2022. [4:08] So yung 2015 po hindi po kasama sa mga sinasagpina sa Office of the Ombudsman. [4:15] Ang kulang lang po sa mga sinabit namin... [4:18] Attorney Batu, if I may interrupt, kindly speak closer to the microphone. [4:22] Sige po. Sorry po. [4:24] Ulitin ko po, Your Honor, meron po kaming sinabit 2007 to 2012. [4:32] Yung pong mga SAL-EN na yun came from our area office from the Mindanao. [4:38] Kasi sila po yung repository or custodian ng SAL-EN during the time na City Vice Mayor and Mayor po yung ating Vice President. [4:47] So we requested pa po. [4:49] So kasama po yun ngayon sa sinabit namin. [4:52] Nandun po yun sa submission namin before the proceedings. [4:57] Okay. Kasi meron lamang po ako dito is 2016 hanggang 2024. [5:07] Kasama po yun sa binigay po namin sa Comsec ngayon. [5:10] Okay. Anyway, with that, siguro magsisimula na lang akong magtanong from 2016 to 2024. [5:18] Dahil yun lang ang meron akong record dito at hindi po sa akin na ibigay ng... [5:24] If I may interrupt, Honorable Chua. [5:27] Comsec, please be directed to provide copy of the SAL-EN submitted by the OMB to the Justice Members. [5:35] And later to the complainant and the respondent. [5:39] Okay. May proceed now, Madam Chair? [6:03] You may proceed. [6:05] Thank you, Madam Chair. [6:06] Madam Chair, gusto ko pong tanongin ang ating kagalang-galang na ombudsman. [6:17] Base po dito sa SAL-EN na isinumitipunin nyo dito sa committee. [6:21] Maaari nyo po bang i-confirm na yung SAL-EN po ng ating Vice President noong taong 2007, [6:29] habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabao, ay may declared net worth na 7.250,497,000. [6:44] For the guidance of the Justice Members, the question is anchored on the 2016 SAL-EN. [6:49] So... [6:50] 2007. [6:50] 2007. [6:52] Comsec kindly flashed the concern SAL-EN for the guidance of the members. [6:56] 2007. [7:00] Declared net worth. [7:05] Your Honor, I will just read the content noong 2007 SAL-EN noong ating Vice President. [7:11] And it is stated here na ang kanyang net worth is 7,250,497,000. [7:18] Okay, so kino-confirm po ninyo. [7:21] Tama po. [7:22] Yun po yung nakalagay dito sa SAL-EN. [7:23] Thank you po. [7:24] Can we flash the amount of net worth? [7:26] There. [7:32] 7.250,000. [7:36] Alright. [7:37] So dito po sa 7,250,000 sa kanyang pong SAL-EN, magkano po yung kanyang diniklara na cash at saka cash deposit? [7:55] Again, reading from the SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President, [7:59] yung cash on hand and bank niya for the year, various years acquired, is 2,000,000. [8:06] 2,000,000. [8:08] Okay, thank you po. [8:10] Doon po sa kanyang 2008, sabi po niya, [8:14] ang declared net worth po ng ating Vice President at that time, [8:19] Vice Mayor po siya noong 2008, [8:22] is 18.493,616.65. [8:31] Tama po ba ito? [8:33] Do you confirm this? [8:36] Your Honor, based on the 2008 submitted SAL-EN, [8:39] the net worth of the Vice President then is 18.493,616.65. [8:48] Okay. [8:49] At magkaka naman po ang diniklara niyang cash at cash deposit po sa kanyang SAL-EN noong 2008. [8:59] Ang declaration po niya dito sa kanyang 2008 SAL-EN is 2,000,000 din po, Your Honor. [9:06] 2,000,000 ng cash. [9:08] Salamat po. [9:10] Punta po tayo sa kanyang SAL-EN noong 2009, [9:14] habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabaw, [9:17] may declared net worth po siya na 18,821,264.65. [9:26] Tama po ba? [9:32] Please flash 2009 SAL-EN. [9:37] Your Honor, again, reading from the 2009 submitted SAL-EN of the Vice President, [9:44] ang kanyang net worth din is 18,281,264.65. [9:50] Ano po? [9:53] 18 million? [9:56] 281,264.65. [10:00] At 281, sorry. [10:02] Okay. [10:03] At magkaka naman po ang kanyang diniklear na cash at cash deposit po dito? [10:12] Based on the submission of the Vice President, [10:14] the cash on hand bank was 2,800,000 po. [10:22] 2,800,000. Maraming salamat po. [10:25] Dumako naman po tayo sa 2010 na SAL-EN ng ating Vice President, [10:32] habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabaw. [10:35] Meron po ditong nakadeclared na net worth na 16,242,886.65. [10:44] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [10:46] Your Honor, again, based on the submission of the 2010 SAL-EN by the Vice President, [10:52] her net worth then was 16,242,886.65. [10:58] Maraming salamat po. [10:59] At magkakana naman po yung halaga na i-deniklare niya na cash at cash deposit po sa kanyang SAL-EN noong 2010. [11:07] SAL-EN. [11:08] Based on her submission, the cash on hand bank during the time was 3,661,622. [11:19] Alright. Maraming salamat po. [11:25] Dumako naman po tayo sa 2011 na SAL-EN po ng ating Vice President, habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabaw. [11:34] May declared net worth po siya na 14,271,148.45. [11:43] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [11:46] Your Honor, reading from the 2011 SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President, [11:53] her net worth then was declared as 14,271,148.46. [12:04] At magkano naman po ang halaga na diniklare po niyang cash at cash deposit at kanya pong SAL-EN noong 2011? [12:12] The declared cash on hand bank for the 2011 SAL-EN was 3,931,125.80. [12:27] Okay. [12:29] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2012 na SAL-EN, habang siya po ay Vice Mayor ng Dabaw. [12:37] Mayroon po siya ditong declared net worth na 22,116,101.93. [12:45] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [12:48] Again, Your Honor, reading from the submitted 2012 SAL-EN of the Vice President, [12:54] her declared net worth was 22,116,101.93. [13:02] At magkano po yung kanyang diniklarang cash at cash deposit po sa nasabing taon, 2012? [13:09] Your Honor, yung declared cash on hand bank niya for the 2012 SAL-EN was 4,320,532. [13:30] Okay. Maraming salamat po. [13:32] Pumunta naman po tayo sa kanyang 2016 SAL-EN, habang siya po ay alkalde po ng Dabaw. [13:40] Dito po meron po siyang declared net worth nilang mag-asawa, no? [13:47] 34,895,997. [13:52] Ito po ba'y kinukumpirma ninyo? [13:55] Again, Your Honor, reading from the submitted SAL-EN, 2016 SAL-EN by the Vice President, [14:03] ang nakalagay po dito na net worth niya is 34,895,997. [14:09] Maraming salamat po. At magkano naman po yung kanyang diniklaran na cash at cash deposit sa kanyang 2016 SAL-EN? [14:19] Dito po sa kanyang 2016 SAL-EN, ang nakalagay po na cash on hand bank, 3,750,760. [14:31] Maraming salamat po. [14:33] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2017 SAL-EN, habang siya po ay alkalde ng Dabaw City. [14:41] Sabi po sa kanyang SAL-EN, siya po ay nagdeklara ng 44,828,759. [14:51] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [14:53] Your Honor, reading from the submitted 2017 SAL-EN of the Vice President, [14:58] her net worth din was 44,828,759. [15:03] Maraming salamat po. [15:04] At magkano naman po yung kanyang declared cash at cash deposit noong taong 2017? [15:10] Based on her submission, Your Honor, the cash on hand and bank was declared to be 6,368,596. [15:23] Maraming salamat po. [15:25] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2018 SAL-EN, habang siya po ay alkalde po ng Dabaw City. [15:33] Tama po ba na ang declared network po nilang mag-asawa ay 49,699,728? [15:43] Kinukumpirma po ba ninyo ito? [15:44] Your Honor, again, I'm reading from the 2018 SAL-EN submission of the Vice President. [15:51] Ang kanyang pong declared net worth din was 49,699,728. [15:58] At magkano naman po dyan yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2018? [16:07] Based on her submission, Your Honor, ang declared cash po niya was 3,795,000. [16:16] Alright. [16:18] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2019 SAL-EN, habang siya po ay alkalde po ng Dabaw City. [16:24] Ang kanya pong declared net worth nilang mag-asawa ay 55,613,051. [16:33] Tama po ba ito? Do you confirm this? [16:36] Your Honor, I'm reading the 2019 SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President. [16:42] And it is stated here that her net worth for then was 55,613,051 po. [16:50] At magkakana naman po yung kanyang cash at cash deposit noong taong 2019? [17:15] Your Honor, based po dito sa submission niya ng 2019 SAL-EN, wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand? [17:22] Wala po. Walang cash or cash deposit na diniklara? [17:27] 2019. Tignan po ninyo na maigi. [17:45] Your Honor, after checking it again, wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand? [17:50] Wala pong cash on hand. [17:52] Dumako po tayo sa kanyang 2020 na SAL-EN, habang siya po ay alkalde ng Dabaw. [18:00] Mayroong po siyang diniklir na net worth nilang mag-asawa, 56,583,735.01. [18:11] Kinukonfirma po ba ninyo ito? [18:12] Your Honor, again, reading from the submitted 2020 SAL-EN of the Vice President, [18:20] ang declared net worth po niyan at the time was 56,583,735.01. [18:28] At magkakana naman po yung kanyang cash at cash deposit noong taong 2020? [18:33] Your Honor, based on this 2020 SAL-EN, wala pong nakadeclare na cash on hand or cash deposit ang Vice President. [18:51] Wala rin pong cash at cash deposit? [18:54] Yes, Your Honor. [18:55] Okay. Pakidobl check po ninyo. [19:19] Your Honor, after checking it, we can confirm na wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or deposit declared sa 2020 SAL-EN of the Vice President. [19:31] Okay. Thank you pa. Punta po tayo sa kanyang 2021 na SAL-EN habang siya po ay alkalde ng Dabaw. [19:39] Ang kanya pong declared net worth nilang mag-asawa po dito ay 65,308,841. [19:48] Tama po ba? Kinukonfirma po ba ninyo ito? [19:51] Your Honor, again, I'm reading that the 2021 SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President at ang declared net worth po niya was 65,308,841. [20:02] At magkakanan naman po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit sa kanyang SAL-EN noong 2021. [20:26] Your Honor, based on the 2021 submitted SAL-EN of the Vice President, wala pong declared cash on hand or bank deposits. [20:36] So tatlong taon na po nawala siyang declared, 19,20,21. Tama po ba? [20:41] Based on the submitted SAL-EN, Your Honor. [20:44] Okay. Thank you. [20:44] Dumako naman po tayo sa kanyang 2022 na SAL-EN habang siya po ay Vice President. [20:56] Ang kanya pong declared net worth nilang mag-asawa ay 71,058,841. [21:05] Tama po ba? Do you confirm this? [21:07] Your Honor, again, I'm reading the 2022 SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President. [21:12] At ang kanyang declared net worth for that year was 71,058,841. [21:20] At magkakanan po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2022? [21:25] Your Honor, based on the 2022 SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President, wala pong naka-declare na cash on hand or bank deposits. [21:51] Pakisiguraduhin po ninyo. Baka namang malikmat na lang po kayo. [21:54] Give us a few seconds, Your Honor. [22:05] 2022 na mag-a. [22:13] Your Honor, based on our second look for this SAL-EN, wala din po talaga nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposit. [22:24] Okay, so pupunta po tayo sa 2023. [22:30] Dito po, meron po sa kanyang SAL-EN, meron po siyang declared net worth nilang mag-asawa. [22:37] 77,058,841. Do you confirm this? [22:45] Your Honor, based on the submitted 2023 SAL-EN of the Vice President, ang nakalagay po na net worth niya for that year was 77,058,841. [23:02] At magkakanan naman po yung kanyang declared na cash at cash deposit noong taong 2023? [23:07] Your Honor, based on the 2023 SAL-EN subvision by the Vice President, wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposits declared. [23:37] So sa 2023, wala pa rin po? [23:39] Wala po, Your Honor. [23:40] Okay. So, puntao na po po tayo sa kanyang declared SAL-EN for the year 2024. [23:50] Ang sabi po dito, meron po siyang declared net worth na 88,512,370.22. [24:01] Tama po ba ito? [24:01] Your Honor, based on the 2024 SAL-EN submitted by the Vice President, the declared net worth then was 88,512,370.22. [24:19] At magkakanan po yung kanyang cash deposit, declared cash at saka cash deposit noong taong 2024? [24:25] Your Honor, reading from the 2024 SAL-EN of the Vice President, wala pong nakadeclared na cash on hand or bank deposit for that year? [24:52] Wala pa rin po. [24:54] Yes, Your Honor. [24:55] So sa madaling salita, yung kanya pong cash na dineclared was only from 2007 up to 2018. Tama po ba? [25:13] Based on our received copies of the SAL-EN, Your Honor, yun po yung lumalabas na years na meron po siyang declared cash on hand and bank deposits. [25:26] At noong 2019 at 2024, kahit na singko po, wala po siyang dineklara na cash at saka cash on hand. Tama po ba? [25:35] Based on the submitted SAL-EN, Your Honor, wala pong nakalagay na cash on hand or bank deposits. [25:41] Kahit singko po? [25:42] Wala pong nakalagay, Your Honor. [25:49] Yedi, wow. Thank you po, Madam Chair. [25:57] Thank you, Honorable Shua. Any other member who wish to raise clarificatory questions? [26:04] To the Ombudsman. Any other member? [26:08] Madam Chair. [26:10] The Honorable Barbers is recognized. [26:13] Good morning, Honorable Ombudsman Rimulya. [26:20] Gusto ko po lamang humingi ng clarification sa inyong taggapan. [26:25] Based po sa SAL-EN ng taong 2007, si VP Sara Duterte at ang kanyang asawa na si Atty. Manasis Carpio ay mayroon pong business interest and financial connection sa mga sumusunod. [26:45] One, Davao Emerging Taipan Corporation. Davao Bounty Times Food Corporation. City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. [27:03] Kinukumpirman niyo ba ito? [27:07] Si Atty. Karen Bato po yung pwede sumagot. [27:09] Thank you. Attorney Bato is recognized. [27:12] Good morning, Your Honor. Again, reading from the 2007... [27:17] May we interrupt, Attorney Bato. We just like to extend our thanks to Ombudsman Boying Rimulya for showing utmost respect to the impeachment process. [27:28] Thank you for being here. He is soliciting our excuse because of huge amount of work he has to attend to. [27:36] So, with the indulgence of the members, we're excusing Ombudsman Boying Rimulya. [27:41] Maraming salamat po.