FULL - Kaguluhan sa Senado dahil sa tanong ni Sen. Robin Padilla at time limit? — GMA News

[0:00] Senator Judge Padilla is recognized. [0:04] You may proceed, sir, when you're ready. You have two minutes. [0:07] Maraming salamat po, aming ginoong tagpamahal ng hukom, [0:11] at sa atin po, ginoong Pangulo. [0:13] Meron po akong katanungan para sa persecution, [0:18] sa akin pong mga kaibigan, persecution. [0:24] Napakahalaga po, sa bawat pagdinig, [0:29] ay yung nagsasabi ng katotohanan. [0:33] Tama po ba? [0:34] Tama po. [0:35] Apo. [0:37] Pagka ang isang witness po ay naging halimbawa [0:44] ng paiba-iba ang sinasabi, [0:48] ano pong tawag dito? [0:52] Di ba po? [0:53] Kasinungalingan. [0:54] This is a hypothetical question, Your Honor. [0:57] You are not referring to any particular witness? [1:00] Ah, sila skanyas po. [1:02] Yung inyo pong pinakitang apidabit, [1:08] Alam niyo po, [1:10] ah, di pa po ako tapos, kaibigan. [1:12] Alam niyo po, [1:16] napakalungkot po para sa amin na marinig [1:21] na merong kayong ibinigay na apidabi [1:26] na nabahiran, [1:30] dito po ah, sa loob ng Senado, [1:33] dito, sa plenario ng Senado, [1:35] ay nabahiran ng matinding, [1:38] masasabi nating kasinungalingan [1:42] sapagkat magkaiba. [1:45] Ang kanyang sinabi, [1:47] October 3, 2016, [1:50] sinabi niya, [1:54] walang kinalaman. [1:57] Ang Pangulong Rodrigo Roa Duterte, [2:00] February 20, [2:04] March 6, [2:06] naiba na ang istorya. [2:08] Ang tanong ko po, [2:11] ano ang tawag [2:12] sa taong paiba-iba [2:14] ang sinasabi? [2:16] Di ba po, [2:17] sinungaling? [2:18] May I answer, Your Honor? [2:21] Apo, apo. [2:23] Kagaya po ng aking binigyang linaw kanina, [2:27] at paulit-ulit na rin pong sinabi [2:30] ng ating presiding officer. [2:31] Pakisagot na lang po, [2:32] kasi yun lang po ang tanong. [2:35] Tama po ba o mali [2:37] na tawagin sinungaling [2:39] ang taong iba-iba [2:41] ang sinasabi? [2:43] I'm sorry, Your Honor, [2:44] but I need to qualify my answer. [2:47] Mr. Presiding Officer, [2:49] isang simpleng tanong lang po. [2:54] The lead prosecutor may agree or disagree [2:57] or state a different characterization. [3:01] I can state a different characterization [3:03] if I'm asked by the good senator judge. [3:05] You may disagree or agree with the [3:07] statement of the honorable [3:10] senator judge Padilla. [3:12] Feel free to say no or yes, counsel. [3:14] Kagalang-galang ng mga senator judges [3:16] at sa atin pong mga nanonood na kababayan. [3:19] Dahil binanggit po [3:21] ng kagalang-galang na [3:22] Sen. Robin Padilla [3:24] ang pangalan at ang affidavit [3:27] ni Arturo Lascañas [3:29] na isko pong linawin [3:30] ang kanina kong manipestasyon. [3:33] Ito po ay iprinisinta [3:34] sa impeachment court [3:35] bilang bahagi ng testimonya ng witness. [3:39] Hindi pa din po sinasagot [3:40] ang lead prosecutor. [3:42] The response, it's not responsive [3:44] to the question of [3:45] Sen. Judge Padilla. [3:47] Allow me to, [3:48] if the good senator judge [3:50] will allow the presiding officer, [3:53] pwede ba nating sabihin [3:54] kaya ang lead prosecutor [3:55] na ang testigong pabalik, [3:59] pabago-bago ang kanyang testimonya [4:01] sa magkakaibang pecha [4:03] o araw o panahon [4:04] ay isang testigong hindi maaasahan? [4:09] Without particular reference [4:10] to Arturo Lascañas, [4:12] I agree with you, [4:14] Honorable presiding officer. [4:16] Posible nagsisinungaling siya [4:18] sa isa, [4:18] nagsasabi ng totoo sa isa, [4:20] o nagsisinungaling sa isa, [4:21] nagsasabi ng totoo sa isa, [4:23] hindi na natin malalaman yun. [4:25] Tama po ba yan? [4:26] Without particular reference [4:27] to Arturo Lascañas, [4:28] I agree with you, [4:29] Honorable presiding officer. [4:31] Thank you. [4:31] Maraming salamat po. [4:32] Aming ginuong [4:33] kakapamahala po po. [4:33] Sen. Judge Badilla? [4:35] Opo. [4:36] Kasi po, [4:37] katulad po ng sinabi [4:39] ng aming [4:40] Sen. Judge [4:42] 10,000 hours [4:44] Pampilo Laxon, [4:46] napakaliwanag po [4:47] ng sinabi niya. [4:49] At kami din po dito, [4:52] ako po mismo, [4:53] ay gumawa din [4:54] ng panukala [4:55] na dapat [4:57] yung mga [4:57] nagsisinungaling dito, [5:01] yung mga [5:02] paiba-iba [5:03] ng testimony [5:04] na nagiging [5:05] aming mga witness [5:06] ay dagdagan dapat [5:08] ang sintensa [5:09] ng perjury. [5:10] Kailangan amendahan [5:11] ang batas na yan. [5:14] Ngayon, [5:16] bilang pakiusap po [5:17] sa inyo, [5:19] sa prosecution, [5:22] pwede po ba [5:23] na sana [5:23] ay maiwasan natin [5:25] ang [5:26] pagbibigay [5:28] ng witness [5:29] na may kasong [5:31] perjury? [5:32] Hindi na po ito [5:33] si Lascañas. [5:34] Ang sinasabi ko po [5:35] ay yung dalawang [5:37] mahal nating witness, [5:39] si Atty. Jeremy Lotok [5:42] at si NBI [5:44] Agent Kalilong [5:47] na sa mga [5:49] paoras na ito [5:50] ay may kasong [5:51] hinaharap [5:52] na perjury. [5:53] Pwede po bang [5:54] iwasan natin [5:55] na may mga ganito [5:56] tayong witness [5:56] para [5:57] ang nasasakdal po [6:01] kasi dito [6:02] ay ibinoto [6:03] ng 32 milyon na tao. [6:09] Sana po [6:09] aming mga [6:11] mahal na kaibigan [6:12] sa prosecution [6:13] ay isipin natin [6:15] mabuti [6:15] bago po tayo [6:16] magbigay [6:17] ng mga witness [6:18] na may perjury [6:20] na kaso [6:22] o [6:22] nagkaroon po kami [6:25] ng dahilan [6:26] na gumawa ng amenda [6:30] na itong perjury [6:31] ay amendahan. [6:34] Pwede po ba yun? [6:35] Your Honor, [6:36] with all due respect, [6:38] I would like [6:39] to take exception [6:39] to the [6:40] question and [6:41] manifestation [6:42] of the Honorable [6:43] Senator Judge [6:43] Robin Padilla. [6:45] First of all, [6:46] we were able [6:47] to verify already [6:48] that there are no [6:49] cases pending [6:50] against [6:51] the prosecution [6:52] witnesses. [6:53] In addition, [6:54] Your Honor, [6:55] and only to respond [6:56] to the concern [6:58] of the Honorable [6:59] Senator Judge Padilla, [7:01] ang conviction po [7:02] ay hindi ground [7:03] for disqualification [7:04] unless it is final [7:07] and unless [7:08] it is punishable [7:09] by more than [7:11] one year [7:11] and that the crime [7:12] constitutes [7:13] moral turpitude. [7:15] Alam nyo po, [7:16] napakaganda po [7:17] ng inyong sagot. [7:18] Sana, [7:19] hindi one-sided [7:20] ang ating [7:21] persecution. [7:22] Kasi, [7:24] alam nyo, [7:26] pag kayo [7:27] ang pagpabor sa inyo, [7:33] alam nyo, [7:34] bawal po [7:35] ang ginagawa. [7:35] Kindly maintain [7:36] order within the court. [7:38] Bawal po ang ginagawa [7:38] nitong [7:39] nasa harap natin. [7:40] Nagkukome-komento. [7:42] Kindly maintain [7:42] order in the court, [7:44] the sergeant at arms, [7:45] by authority [7:47] of the Senate [7:48] President, [7:49] is directed [7:50] to kindly maintain [7:51] order in the court. [7:52] Hindi po sila allowed. [7:55] Mag-ingay. [7:57] Court po ito. [8:00] Thank you. [8:01] You may proceed, [8:02] Senator Judge Padilla. [8:03] Who was speaking? [8:04] Ako po. [8:05] You may proceed, [8:06] Senator Judge Padilla. [8:06] I was interrupted. [8:08] With your apologies. [8:11] So, [8:13] ibig nyo pong sabihin, [8:15] yung mga [8:15] Senator Judges [8:17] dito ngayon [8:17] na humaharap [8:18] sa kaso [8:19] na hindi po [8:21] pinapayagan [8:22] ng Ombudsman [8:23] at hindi pa rin [8:24] sila guilty. [8:27] Ano pong [8:27] ibig nyo sabihin? [8:30] Your Honor, [8:31] with all due respect, [8:32] ang question nyo po [8:33] kanina [8:33] ay kaugnay [8:34] ng pagtistigo. [8:37] Tistigo nga, [8:37] igadis nga [8:38] yung sinasabi. [8:39] Prosecution, [8:40] Your Honor. [8:41] Ang usapan po [8:42] ay yung [8:43] guilty [8:44] or not guilty. [8:46] Okay? [8:47] So, [8:47] tatanong na po [8:49] ako ng bago. [8:51] Pwede po ba? [8:52] May I be clarified, [8:53] Your Honor, [8:54] on your [8:54] last question [8:56] about the [8:57] senator [8:58] you said [8:59] are facing [9:00] cases? [9:03] Alam nyo po, [9:04] malinaw na po [9:04] yung sinabi ko [9:05] and wala po [9:06] kayong [9:07] karapatan [9:08] magtanong [9:08] ka Senator Judges. [9:09] I think [9:11] Senator Judges Padilla [9:12] was making [9:13] a manifestation [9:14] and not [9:14] posing a question [9:15] to the lead [9:16] prosecutor [9:16] in relation [9:17] to our [9:18] two colleagues. [9:20] You may proceed, [9:20] Senator Judges Padilla. [9:21] Maraming salamat po, [9:23] Gilong [9:24] tagapamahal [9:27] ng hukom. [9:28] Pwede na po ba tayong [9:29] mag-advance [9:30] ng katalungan? [9:34] Yes, [9:34] Your Honor. [9:35] Apo. [9:37] Yung pong [9:38] sinasabi ninyo, [9:40] bakit nyo po [9:41] nababanggit [9:42] ang ICC [9:42] dito? [9:43] Ano po ang kinalaman [9:46] ng ICC [9:47] dito sa ating [9:48] pagdinig? [9:51] With all due respect, [9:52] Honorable [9:53] Senator Judges [9:54] Robin Padilla, [9:56] kagaya po [9:56] nang nabanggit ko na [9:58] at marahil [10:00] panglimanang [10:01] banggit [10:01] ng presiding [10:02] officer, [10:03] nabanggit po [10:04] ang ICC [10:05] kaugnay [10:07] ng affidavit [10:07] ni Las Cañas [10:08] na ipirinisinta [10:10] po ng [10:10] prosecution [10:11] bilang bahagi [10:13] lamang [10:13] ng testimony [10:14] ng witness [10:15] at bilang bahagi [10:17] ng naging [10:18] imbestigasyon [10:19] ng special [10:20] task force [10:21] ng NBI. [10:22] Maraming salamat po. [10:23] Senator Judge Padilla [10:25] will please [10:25] wind up. [10:26] You can avail [10:27] of a second round [10:27] if you wish. [10:28] Opo, [10:28] maraming salamat po. [10:30] So, [10:30] ibig pong sabihin, [10:31] malinaw [10:32] na kanina [10:33] sinabi natin [10:34] na hindi siya... [10:36] With the permission [10:37] of Senator Judge [10:38] and indulgence [10:39] of Senator Judge Padilla, [10:40] what is the pleasure [10:40] of Senator Judge [10:41] Rafi Tulfo? [10:43] Walang mic. [10:44] Kay Senator Padilla, [10:46] bakit pag sa kabila [10:48] pinapayagan silang [10:49] 5-10 minutes, [10:50] bakit pag sa amin, [10:52] sa majority, [10:53] kinakat agad ni-remind [10:54] pagdating ng bago, [10:56] pagdating ng 2 minutes. [10:57] I think, [10:58] nakakalata na kami. [10:59] So, dapat pag sinabing [11:00] 2 minutes, [11:01] 2 minutes. [11:03] Pag sa amin, [11:03] sa majority, [11:04] pag 2 minutes, [11:05] pinipindot ng pinipindot [11:06] nito. [11:07] Dalawa, [11:07] tatlong beses. [11:09] Totoo yan. [11:11] Pero pag sa minority, [11:14] umabot na ng 5 minutes, [11:15] 10 minutes. [11:15] At meron akong record diyan. [11:18] Pinapayagan. [11:19] Why? [11:20] Thank you. [11:22] The, um, [11:23] comments of Senator Judge [11:25] Rafi Tulfo [11:26] is recognized. [11:26] However, [11:27] the Chair would like [11:27] to point out [11:28] that, um, [11:29] in the impeachment court, [11:30] there is no majority [11:31] nor minority. [11:33] We are all [11:33] Senator Judges. [11:35] And Senator Laxon [11:36] earlier, [11:38] um, [11:38] requested also [11:39] an additional time [11:42] to finish his point, [11:43] which the Chair, [11:44] um, allowed. [11:44] That's why the Chair [11:45] reminded Senator Judge Padilla [11:46] to wind up [11:47] because his time [11:48] already lapsed. [11:49] Kaya nga, [11:50] Mr. President, [11:51] I'm sorry, [11:52] I do have a lot [11:54] of respect in you. [11:55] Yung sa angkin lang, [11:57] kahit na sino, [11:57] Senador, [11:58] kapag dating na ng 2 minutes, [12:01] pinipindutan ng bell, eh. [12:03] Ako ilang beses [12:03] na ako nang pinipindutan [12:04] ng bell. [12:05] Nakakairita, eh. [12:06] Samantalang yung iba, [12:07] hindi pinipindutan ng bell, [12:09] umabot pa ng 5 minutes. [12:11] I'm not referring [12:11] to anybody here now. [12:13] Yun lang yun, eh. [12:14] Kaya nga, [12:15] kumisa, [12:15] binubulungan ko na nandiyan, eh. [12:16] Oy, [12:17] pindutin mo na yung bell [12:18] para naman makapagsalita [12:20] yung iba. [12:21] Yun lang po. [12:22] Wala na akong tingutukod ito. [12:23] Dapat maging fair tayo [12:24] yung sa nagpipindut ng bell. [12:26] Pag sinabing 2 minutes, [12:27] 2 minutes regardless [12:28] kahit na sino, [12:29] Senador, yan. [12:30] Thank you. [12:31] The clerk of court [12:32] is instructed [12:32] to kindly relate [12:34] to the bell ringer [12:36] to kindly, [12:42] um, [12:43] be consistent [12:43] in, um, [12:44] doing, um, [12:47] the reminder, [12:48] polite reminder [12:49] to the senator judges [12:50] with respect [12:50] to the time allotted. [12:52] Mr. President, [12:52] Sen. Judge Kayetano Alan. [12:55] No, I, I take [12:56] the comments [12:57] of, uh, [12:57] Sen. Tulfo [12:59] in order. [13:00] Uh, I respect [13:01] your opinion [13:01] but just to put [13:02] on record, [13:03] as you said, [13:04] Sen. Laxon a while ago [13:05] asked for more time [13:06] binigay. [13:07] Walang bell yun. [13:08] Yesterday, [13:09] dalawang bell sa akin, [13:11] dalawa o tatlo. [13:12] Dalawa lang ang bilang ko. [13:14] Dalawa lang bilang mo. [13:15] And maybe the solution [13:16] is that [13:17] after the first, [13:18] isang bell na lang, [13:19] pero, uh, [13:20] kasi from the start [13:22] of the impeachment, [13:23] um, [13:24] trial, [13:24] we asked the [13:25] presiding officer [13:28] at sabi mo nga, [13:29] liberality, [13:30] because, [13:30] then if not, [13:31] if we can't ask questions, [13:32] baka magkaroon ng motion [13:34] or mas lalong tatagal. [13:36] Maybe, [13:38] you've been doing it naman, [13:39] but yun nga, [13:39] yung, uh, [13:40] just ask to wrap up. [13:41] But, [13:42] konting, uh, [13:43] we all want to get back to work. [13:45] There's so much [13:46] that, uh, [13:47] we want to do. [13:47] At least, [13:48] sa, [13:48] wala nga majority-minority, [13:50] but at least, [13:51] wala nga threat ng kaso [13:52] sa majority, eh. [13:54] Kami magsalita dito, [13:56] parang may sword [13:57] sa aming, uh, [13:58] nakatutok. [13:59] So, [14:00] konting, [14:00] pagbibigay din sa amin, [14:03] ng, uh, [14:03] konting, uh, [14:05] liberality din [14:05] sa pagtatanong. [14:07] But, uh, [14:07] in accordance with the rules, [14:09] tama naman po [14:10] yung sinabi ni [14:10] Senator Tulfo. [14:12] The, um, [14:13] presiding officer [14:14] shall take in advisement [14:15] the points raised [14:16] by Senator Judge [14:17] Rafi Tulfo, [14:18] as well as the point raised [14:19] by Senator Judge Allen. [14:21] And, in that spirit, [14:22] kindly wind up, [14:23] Senator Judge Padilla. [14:24] Ah, ah, ah, [14:24] ginong tagapamahalang hukom [14:26] na iso lamang pong sagutin [14:28] ang ating kaibigan [14:29] na si Senator Rafi Tulfo. [14:31] Sandali lang po. [14:32] Ah, kaibigan, [14:33] mas mahaba kasi [14:34] yung sagutin [14:34] noong ating prosekusyon. [14:36] Ako po, eh, [14:37] nagtatanong lamang [14:38] ng, [14:39] oo ba o hindi. [14:41] Pasensya na po. [14:42] Ah, po. [14:43] Kindly wind up, [14:44] Senator Judge Padilla. [14:45] But you're gonna bail [14:45] off the second round. [14:46] Oh, man.