Full Interview With Peter Obi — Sunday Politics

[0:00] Your Excellency, Mr. Peter Obi, thank you so much for joining us. [0:03] Thank you, Shane, for having me. [0:04] How have you been? [0:06] Surviving. [0:08] Quite a while. [0:10] Interesting. [0:11] I saw you yesterday in the ADC, the flag of the unveiling of the coalition platform. [0:19] How did that come? [0:22] Well, you can see what we said. [0:23] The coalition just adopted a party for 2027. [0:29] So we're trying to work together, you know, the opposition are trying to come together, to work together for the sake of Nigeria. [0:40] So what does this then mean? [0:44] Does it mean that you are an ADC member or a Labour Party member? [0:49] Today I'm a Labour Party member, now I remain in Labour Party. [0:52] But we have all agreed to work in coalition for 2027 election. [1:01] And for that, we've just adopted ADC. [1:04] Going on, other parties, other individuals are going to still come in. [1:10] But it's just like an unveiling, like you used it before. [1:14] An adoption, which will still go into bringing other people together under the same umbrella and saying, [1:22] we want better governance for this country. [1:25] We want to see more competent governments with capacity and character to do the right thing. [1:35] So at some point, you are going to leave Labour Party, is that it? [1:39] Well, where we are, the coalition. [1:44] This coalition might have other parties that will come together, like it's happened in the past, [1:50] and change the name of the party, anything. [1:53] But right now, we've adopted one party. [1:56] The other ones are going to come in. [1:57] So we can't say whether we're going to leave this, or we're going to come into this. [2:02] What is constant mind that we've all agreed to work together? [2:06] The implication is a legal one. [2:10] Whether or not, as someone who is intended to run for office, [2:16] you have the ability to participate or be in two political parties, [2:22] it then means that that will affect your ability to work. [2:26] So there's a difference between intention and being this. [2:29] I said, I'm a member of this, you know, and I'm going to work with this group. [2:36] So it's like, oh, well, I want to invest in this company, [2:40] where they say, oh, you cannot be in two companies at the same time. [2:43] But I have indicated my intention, I want to go into this. [2:46] That is not... [2:48] Well, you don't see it as anti-party. [2:50] No, no, no, no, there's not anti-party. [2:52] Because I don't think the Labour Party has agreed to... [2:54] Remember, we said for 2027. [2:57] Say, we're not in 2027, we're in 2025. [3:00] It's clear. [3:02] We've adopted this for 2027. [3:05] So if I say I'm going to this, [3:07] that doesn't say, oh, well, listen, [3:09] I want to be sharing. [3:12] I want to be able to be part of your dinner in the evening. [3:15] That doesn't mean I should abandon my breakfast and lunch [3:18] because I have intended to come and eat your dinner. [3:21] No, we're going there. [3:23] So we're going to go together. [3:26] We are not abandoning where we are. [3:28] At some stage, when that happens, you know. [3:31] So, you are thinking of being erroneous to Artiku. [3:36] Is that the case right now? [3:38] That's your intention? [3:39] Again, again, Sheru, this is not in play. [3:42] Nobody have ever discussed that. [3:44] You know what I'm asking? [3:44] People have Zoomed so many things. [3:47] Nobody have ever discussed with me [3:49] whether I'm going to be A or B or C. [3:54] Sheru, I'm going to contest for the President of Federal Republic of Nigeria. [4:00] And I believe and qualify for it. [4:03] You know the reason why I'm asking this? [4:04] The coalition has been touted as Artiku-led coalition. [4:09] And there are those who think that [4:10] that organization of coming together, [4:12] that marriage is for an Artiku platform to run. [4:16] Say, people just assume anything in this country. [4:19] And I don't believe in assumption. [4:22] I don't live with it. [4:25] I'm part of a coalition which will be able to produce [4:31] a competent president with a capacity, compassion to save this country. [4:40] And you look at the assemblage in that room. [4:46] Some have described them as jetratics who are old and dumb politically, [4:52] who have been former this, former that. [4:56] And this is Peter Ovi and your reputation. [4:59] You know what your reputation is with the Nigerian people? [5:02] That those who think that Peter Ovi stands for a ray of hope, [5:06] a beacon of hope for a lot of young Nigerians. [5:09] And your association with some of those who have been described as faint, [5:14] former this, former that. [5:16] You don't think that there is a problem, that it's a contradiction. [5:19] Sheryl, when a leader comes into this thing, [5:24] you lead everybody. [5:26] Your job is to change. [5:28] You change the old, you change the young. [5:31] You don't just say, oh, my job as a leader [5:36] is to change those who are not even... [5:40] And if you look at it, it's about everywhere in the world. [5:43] Those who brought out change, changed everybody. [5:47] Even for those of us, I'm sure in Islam, in the Quran, in the Bible, [5:53] that those who actually, like Paul, who was previously Saul, [6:00] who actually wrote everything, [6:02] was one of those who were major persecutors of Jesus Christ and his team. [6:09] But God changed. [6:10] So my job is to even change the unchangeables [6:15] and bring them in life with what... [6:18] They want good governance. [6:19] Like a messiah. [6:21] That's what you want to be. [6:22] Whatever you call it. [6:23] A political messiah. [6:24] It's not for me to say, oh, this one is bad, this one is good. [6:27] No. [6:29] It is for everybody to come together [6:31] and show that you can do things. [6:34] Is it not contradictory, though? [6:37] There are those who say some of them had planned [6:41] to sustain military rule in Nigeria. [6:44] Some of them had run severally in the government [6:48] that Nigerians thought that had failed. [6:51] And you say you want to reform Nigeria. [6:54] Is it not contradictory? [6:55] In fact, you need some who have been in bad government. [6:58] Their experience is critical. [7:00] I can tell you one of the major companies in the world [7:03] hired two people who have worked in several failed companies [7:06] because they can tell you what happened, why they failed. [7:09] You need the experience of those who have failed [7:11] and those who have succeeded to move on. [7:15] And you need everybody. [7:17] It is a critical experience [7:18] because they know what can fail the system [7:21] and they know what was wrong with the system. [7:23] So you need everybody. [7:25] So if you want to serve, you must serve everybody. [7:29] In all of this, the ultimate goal and agenda [7:33] is to ensure that 2027, [7:35] this government and this party, APC, [7:39] led by President Tunobu, [7:41] is swept out of prominence. [7:42] That's the agenda, isn't it? [7:44] Yes. [7:45] And by all means, you are going to pursue it. [7:48] We're not going to do it by all means. [7:49] We're going to do it by all lawful means [7:53] to make sure, [7:54] because we've seen the failure, [7:56] we've seen the incompetence of the government, [7:59] we've seen the... [8:00] they don't have the capacity to do the job. [8:02] So you just have to do... [8:04] For the sake of our children. [8:06] If the... [8:06] If this option... [8:08] One of the options is for you to be a running mate, [8:11] you will still keep it? [8:12] There's no option here at Sehu. [8:15] We're not talking about options here. [8:17] It has to be on the ballot. [8:18] Well, the rest is for Nigerians to decide. [8:24] Let me ask you, [8:25] is there anything specifically [8:27] that has been happening in Nigeria [8:28] since the 2023 elections [8:30] that has strengthened your resolve [8:32] to want to run again in 2027? [8:36] Sehu, as you can see everywhere, [8:38] we have an incompetent government. [8:43] Sehu, as president of Nigeria, [8:46] I'll bring civility and order in governance. [8:50] I'll govern with the constitution of Nigeria. [8:56] I'll respect the constitution of Nigeria. [8:59] I will govern within the laws. [9:02] The government will obey the laws. [9:04] I'll do appointments by federal character. [9:07] I will appoint competent persons [9:12] with capacity and compassion [9:15] for the good of Nigeria. [9:18] People that are worthy of emulation. [9:21] Sehu, I'm not going to be [9:22] minister of petroleum. [9:24] That is in every ministry [9:27] who have substantive minister [9:31] who is competent, [9:35] who has the character, [9:37] compassion, and capacity [9:39] to run that ministry. [9:41] But, Sehu, the things [9:43] that as president, [9:46] I will have hands-on [9:48] reported to me daily [9:50] on real time. [9:53] Number one [9:53] is security of life [9:56] and property [9:56] of every Nigerian citizen. [10:00] Number two [10:01] is basic education [10:03] of our children. [10:05] Because we must put [10:05] those 18 million people [10:07] as of us. [10:08] Sehu, [10:09] it is more important [10:10] for Nigeria [10:11] to invest in education [10:13] than all of you. [10:15] The human capital [10:16] of Nigeria [10:17] considering its population [10:18] is a huge asset. [10:21] I will make sure [10:22] that it's hands-on, [10:24] annoying anything [10:25] that happens [10:26] about health [10:27] of Nigerians. [10:29] Starting from [10:29] primary health care, [10:31] ensuring we increase [10:32] the insurance, [10:34] coverage, [10:35] where the rich will pay, [10:37] where the poor will benefit, [10:40] and everything. [10:40] saying I will make sure [10:42] that I know [10:43] real time [10:44] what happens [10:45] with agricultural products [10:47] which will drive [10:48] the foundation [10:48] of our manufacturing. [10:50] I want to know [10:51] what power [10:52] we are generating [10:53] daily and distributed daily. [10:57] And I want to look [10:58] at the SMEs, [11:01] the manufacturing, [11:02] to ensure that [11:03] they are properly supported [11:05] with adequate interest rates. [11:10] And I like to go [11:11] into details [11:12] of some of the [11:13] crucial areas [11:14] because you campaigned [11:16] in 2023 [11:17] and there are those [11:18] who say, [11:18] well, [11:19] all of the things [11:20] that this government [11:20] said they will do [11:21] is that the things [11:22] that Peter Obista [11:23] also said he was going [11:23] to do. [11:24] And I'll come to [11:25] those things in a bit. [11:27] But all of these things [11:27] you mentioned, [11:28] you said you're going [11:29] to do only in one [11:30] single time of four years. [11:31] Oh, yes. [11:32] It's just to know [11:33] what is happening [11:34] to them daily. [11:36] You're not going [11:36] to solve them overnight. [11:37] So you don't want [11:37] to spend more than [11:38] four years as president [11:39] should we be elected? [11:41] That's it. [11:43] So you can actually [11:44] nobody expects [11:48] 100% result. [11:50] They expect 100% [11:51] sacrifice and effort. [11:54] So we know [11:54] we're driving there. [11:55] There's nobody [11:56] that's going anywhere [11:57] is going in one day. [11:59] But if we set out [12:00] to go to Kaduna [12:01] today, [12:02] people want to see us [12:03] in Kaduna Road. [12:05] If we're headed [12:06] to Lagos Road, [12:06] we're in the wrong direction. [12:08] What is happening now [12:09] is that we're telling [12:10] people we're going [12:11] in this direction, [12:15] but we're going [12:15] in that direction. [12:18] And if you don't [12:18] know where you're [12:19] going, every road [12:19] will leave you there. [12:21] That's the confusion. [12:22] I'm worried about [12:23] your insistence [12:25] on spending a term, [12:27] a single term [12:28] of four years. [12:29] Why? [12:30] The constitution [12:30] allows you to [12:31] do two terms. [12:33] I will spend, [12:35] and I want it to be, [12:36] categorically, [12:37] four years. [12:39] We have an [12:40] unwritten constitution, [12:43] which I'm sure [12:43] you are aware of. [12:46] Because not everything [12:47] is agreement [12:48] is written. [12:49] That's why [12:50] when a vice president [12:51] is from south, [12:55] the president [12:56] is from north, [12:57] and vice versa. [12:59] The same thing goes. [13:01] By the time [13:01] this president [13:02] completes four years, [13:05] it is an unwritten [13:06] agreement [13:07] that the next four years [13:09] is for the south. [13:12] I, as the president, [13:15] will, [13:17] categorically, [13:21] we must build trust. [13:23] Very important. [13:25] Can Nigerians trust [13:26] that commitment [13:27] over a single term [13:29] from you? [13:30] So, [13:30] I said it, [13:32] and I put it [13:32] in capital. [13:33] I don't need [13:35] a day [13:35] more than four years. [13:37] In fact, [13:38] I will, [13:38] the day before, [13:39] And you will fix [13:39] Nigeria in those four years. [13:41] It's not fair. [13:41] I will show the direction [13:43] of good governance. [13:44] That's why I said it. [13:45] To what end [13:46] is this one single, [13:46] why do you want to spend, [13:47] the constitution allows you, [13:49] you've, [13:50] you've been a two-time governor, [13:51] why do you want to, [13:52] In two years, [13:54] there will be [13:54] minimum damage. [13:56] That shows [13:57] three years can change it [13:58] in good direction. [14:00] People want to get up [14:01] and see a president [14:03] that cares, [14:05] a president [14:06] that shows compassion. [14:07] So today we have a country [14:10] without compassion. [14:12] Leadership without compassion [14:14] does not exist. [14:16] It's a minus. [14:17] It's not good for the country. [14:18] Is there anything [14:19] that you say [14:19] that this government [14:20] is doing [14:20] that lacks compassion? [14:22] So, [14:22] in December 18th, [14:25] or thereabouts, [14:26] several children [14:29] died in a battle. [14:30] It was December 18th. [14:34] On the 19th, [14:36] the president of Nigeria [14:37] flew from Abuja [14:39] to Lagos [14:40] for Christmas holidays. [14:42] So, [14:43] I will not do it. [14:44] I will go to the battle. [14:45] I will go and look [14:47] for their parents [14:48] and cry with them. [14:50] I will show them. [14:51] The president went to Benway. [14:52] No, [14:53] let's go to Benway. [14:54] What mean? [14:55] There was no compassion [14:56] in that. [14:58] People lost their children. [15:02] People lost their children [15:03] that will lead [15:04] this country tomorrow. [15:07] He didn't do that. [15:07] He went for Christmas [15:08] all day. [15:09] In Benway, [15:11] he was not there [15:12] for days. [15:14] She will go [15:15] on the first day. [15:18] And when he got there, [15:18] he said he couldn't visit [15:20] the community [15:23] because of bad road. [15:27] She has not gone [15:28] to Niger State [15:30] where we lost [15:31] over 200. [15:34] And now they said [15:35] it's 600 [15:36] that they're still missing. [15:37] And it's presumed dead. [15:40] She has only [15:40] about 15 minutes flight [15:42] from Abuja to Niger. [15:45] There's no compassion. [15:46] She has watched [15:47] our president, [15:49] government officials [15:50] in this capital [15:54] of Abuja [15:54] commissioning [15:57] bus station [15:59] when we lost [16:00] 20-something [16:02] soldiers in Niger. [16:05] She said, [16:06] it will not happen. [16:09] Is commissioning road [16:10] more important [16:11] than our soldiers [16:12] that are dying? [16:15] Is commissioning road [16:15] more important [16:16] than our children [16:17] that are not in school? [16:18] She said, [16:19] is road more important [16:20] than children [16:20] being in school? [16:22] There's no compassion. [16:23] There's no governance. [16:26] I will not be, [16:27] look at this week, [16:29] this week alone, [16:31] Monday, [16:33] that is something [16:33] we're killed [16:34] in one of our states. [16:39] Tuesday, [16:41] 13 was killed [16:42] in one of our states. [16:44] Yesterday, [16:45] it was overturned [16:46] in Anambra. [16:47] This morning, [16:48] it's overturned [16:49] in Sokoto [16:50] and our president [16:52] is in [16:53] island of Seleucia. [16:59] That is not even [17:00] up to the size. [17:02] Island of Seleucia [17:02] is 617 square [17:05] kilometers of land. [17:09] Mina [17:10] is 6,700. [17:13] It's 10 times [17:15] the size of Seleucia. [17:16] In terms of population, [17:18] Seleucia [17:19] is only 180,000 people. [17:21] Ajegunle is 560. [17:22] Ajegunle. [17:24] Say, [17:24] what does our president [17:24] do in there? [17:27] So that trip [17:29] is a waste of time. [17:30] Is that what you're saying? [17:30] No, no, no. [17:31] I wouldn't do it. [17:32] If I'm going to go to Seleucia, [17:34] that wouldn't last [17:34] more than one day. [17:35] Our president [17:36] has not even gone to any state [17:37] for two days [17:38] as apart from Lagos. [17:40] I will be in Niger State. [17:41] I will be in Mokwa. [17:43] If there's any place [17:44] to spend longer days, [17:45] it's in Mokwa, [17:46] where I have lost [17:47] now 800 to 1,000 people. [17:51] Why would I be there? [17:52] He even gave some [17:53] children scholarship [17:54] in Seleucia. [17:56] When we have [17:57] 18 million [17:58] out-of-school children, [18:00] without capital, [18:02] children are not [18:03] in school, [18:05] Seleucia has no governance. [18:08] The country needs governance. [18:10] I mean, [18:11] are we looking for [18:12] saints to run this country? [18:14] No, [18:15] we're looking for [18:15] competent persons [18:18] with capacity, [18:20] character, [18:21] and compassion [18:21] to do it. [18:22] So you don't belong [18:22] to a gang of saints? [18:24] No, no, no. [18:25] Saints, [18:25] even saints, [18:28] would never go over you. [18:29] That's not Gregory. [18:30] No, no. [18:31] But you're not a saint. [18:32] No, saints, [18:33] they have a combination [18:34] of the great saints, [18:36] Peter and Gregory. [18:37] So it's not just [18:39] that I'm Peter. [18:40] But in character, [18:41] you're not a saint. [18:42] No, no, no, no, no, no. [18:43] In character, [18:44] a leader must be [18:45] somebody, [18:46] I said, [18:47] he must be competent. [18:48] He must have [18:49] character [18:50] and behavior, [18:52] public conduct [18:52] to show that [18:53] this is right, [18:54] this is wrong. [18:55] Let me ask you, [18:57] and I'd like you [18:57] to clarify this, [18:58] because I watch [18:59] a lot of conversation [19:00] around you, [19:01] I mean, [19:02] around every major [19:03] political figure [19:04] in this country. [19:05] How do you [19:06] clarify this [19:07] reputation [19:08] that you worked [19:08] for the Abachian [19:09] government [19:10] or in the Abachian [19:12] government? [19:12] I've never worked [19:14] for government [19:14] before I became, [19:18] I can tell you that. [19:19] Did you do anything [19:19] in the special? [19:21] Let me clarify for you. [19:23] I've never worked [19:24] for any government [19:25] before in the world. [19:26] I was a very successful [19:28] businessman. [19:29] And everybody knows that. [19:31] I was a very successful [19:33] businessman. [19:34] I built my business [19:35] from scratch [19:36] to something [19:37] of a relative team. [19:38] As a businessman, [19:39] I'm also, [19:40] part of those [19:42] who were controlling [19:43] trade in Lagos then. [19:46] There was a time [19:47] during Abachian's [19:48] government, [19:49] even during [19:50] Abachian's government, [19:52] there was a time [19:53] during Abachian's [19:54] government, [19:55] because when Abachian [19:56] took over, [19:57] they said all ports, [19:59] seaports and everything, [20:00] closed. [20:01] So they came out [20:02] with a policy [20:03] that caused [20:05] congestion [20:06] in our ports, [20:08] even in the airports. [20:09] Goods were not [20:10] being cleared, [20:11] goods were not [20:11] being exported [20:12] and everything. [20:14] And some of us felt, [20:16] no, [20:16] we need to go [20:17] and see [20:18] the head of state [20:21] then, [20:22] or at least [20:23] the commercial [20:23] minister of finance [20:25] who was one, [20:27] I think it was [20:27] Annie. [20:29] So we came to [20:29] Abachian, [20:31] about 50 of us. [20:34] We had an audience [20:35] with the minister [20:37] of finance [20:37] and the president [20:38] and the head of state [20:39] then. [20:40] And we were able [20:42] to elucidate [20:44] the problem [20:45] we were facing. [20:47] The president [20:48] then directed [20:49] the finance minister [20:51] that it should [20:54] take some of us [20:57] who are the leaders, [21:00] should just form [21:00] a committee [21:01] to deconjust [21:02] all the ports [21:03] in Nigeria. [21:04] Anyway, [21:04] about 10 or 20 ports [21:07] make sure that [21:08] in each committee [21:10] one of us [21:11] is involved. [21:13] That's the only thing [21:14] that had to do [21:14] with the ports. [21:16] And then when we finished, [21:17] which lasted [21:18] maybe two weeks, [21:19] three weeks, [21:20] they said, [21:21] it is now time [21:22] to reorganize the ports [21:26] because I had written [21:27] in one of my comments [21:29] that Nigerian ports [21:31] authorities, [21:31] the only port [21:32] that I know [21:32] in the world [21:33] that have an office [21:34] outside this country [21:36] of oppression [21:36] and couple [21:38] that they have seen [21:39] when they said [21:40] you become a member [21:41] of the panel. [21:42] He said, [21:43] if anything, [21:44] I was a member [21:46] that tried to reorganize [21:47] that such people. [21:48] Shew, [21:49] it has nothing to do [21:49] with working government. [21:51] I've never met [21:51] a bachelor. [21:52] I don't know him. [21:53] I don't know him. [21:53] I'm not in the military. [21:54] All this is I'm telling you. [21:56] Shew, [21:56] the only thing I met him [21:57] when we went to [21:59] talk about that [22:00] but you know [22:01] what is happening [22:02] as look for anything [22:04] about Peter Robin. [22:06] Anything you can see, [22:08] anything you can see, [22:09] they will tell you, [22:10] oh, maybe he did this [22:11] or maybe Shew is like, [22:13] you see people today [22:14] say, [22:14] oh, [22:15] when he left government, [22:16] he was going. [22:17] When he left government, [22:19] he was doing it. [22:20] They even tried to frame [22:21] some people to say, [22:22] oh, Shew, [22:23] everything I've done [22:24] in my life [22:25] is in the public space. [22:28] For example, [22:28] when I left office, [22:29] Shew, [22:30] I didn't just hand over [22:32] the way [22:33] governors hand over. [22:35] I invited everybody [22:37] in a massive conference room, [22:40] all the traditional rulers, [22:42] all the president Harris, [22:44] all the bishops [22:45] and clergy [22:46] in Alambra State, [22:48] in Philadelphia, [22:48] invited from Federal, [22:51] Okonjo Iwala [22:52] and one of them, [22:54] Minister of Planning them, [22:56] invited [22:56] third businessmen [22:58] like Dan Gote, [22:59] they were in the hall, [23:00] invited the three banks [23:01] where I left money. [23:03] And I announced [23:03] in their hall, [23:04] I said, [23:05] head of service, [23:06] you're here, [23:08] everybody are here, [23:09] I do not owe [23:11] any public servant [23:13] that the state [23:15] is supposed to pay, [23:17] salary, [23:19] I do not owe [23:19] any retiree, [23:21] pension, [23:22] or gratuity, [23:25] no contractor [23:27] or supplier [23:29] who have executed [23:30] this job [23:31] certified by government [23:33] that is being owed, [23:36] so not one. [23:36] And above all, [23:39] I called the three banks [23:41] where we have money, [23:43] everybody was there, [23:44] called the access bank, [23:45] I came up with it, [23:46] he said, [23:47] I came up with it, [23:48] I have in your bank [23:49] 12 billion naira, [23:51] 50 million dollars, [23:53] in name of Alambra State, [23:54] he said yes, [23:55] I said, [23:57] incoming governor, [23:57] I hand it over to you. [23:59] I called then Alexotti, [24:01] who is now governor, [24:02] I said, [24:03] he was the MD of Diamond Bank, [24:04] I said, [24:05] I have in your bank [24:06] 12 billion naira, [24:08] 50 million dollars, [24:09] he said yes, [24:10] handed over to him, [24:11] I called the MD of Fidelity Bank, [24:15] I have 12 billion naira with you, [24:18] 50 million dollars, [24:19] here is it, [24:20] so if you want, [24:21] after this interview, [24:22] before you leave here, [24:23] I carried it about, [24:23] I give you the statement, [24:26] I handed it over to him, [24:27] I said, [24:28] I'm living here, [24:29] no pension, [24:31] no gratuity, [24:32] for me, [24:33] this is about the 12th year or more, [24:36] I left Alambra State as a governor, [24:38] she said, [24:39] Alambra has never bought me, [24:40] a bottle of pure water, [24:42] a circuit of pure water, [24:44] I mean, [24:45] you seem to, [24:46] campaign more about frugality than investment, [24:50] that those who say, [24:51] those monies that you're talking about, [24:53] that you're living, [24:54] could have been invested, [24:55] I invested it, [24:57] I invested in education, [24:59] which is the most critical investment, [25:01] a nation can do, [25:02] I took the state, [25:04] from 20 something, [25:08] where I can make it, [25:09] to number one, [25:10] she said, [25:11] under me, [25:12] and I challenge any state, [25:14] under me, [25:16] all secondary school, [25:17] I can go down to Prambo, [25:18] all secondary school, [25:20] in Alambra State, [25:21] had a functional, [25:23] science lab, [25:26] had a sick bed, [25:28] had a generator, [25:30] had two buses, [25:33] have computers, [25:34] go and ask HP, [25:36] till today, [25:38] I bought the highest number, [25:39] of computer, [25:40] ever sold by HP, [25:42] to any state, [25:43] in Africa, [25:46] the order, [25:47] they're there, [25:47] you can go and ask HP, [25:49] or you can go and ask, [25:50] your star of, [25:53] let me remember his company now, [25:55] you can go and ask him, [25:57] no other person, [25:58] so if you become president, [25:59] you will be frugger, [26:00] yet you will be, [26:01] you invest, [26:02] no, [26:03] if I become president, [26:04] I use resources, [26:06] effectively, [26:06] I cannot buy a new jet, [26:12] even if you need one, [26:13] I don't need one, [26:14] you don't need one, [26:15] because you can go to anywhere, [26:16] without jet, [26:17] I would never need one, [26:18] you fly, [26:19] you fly, [26:20] yes, [26:20] of course, [26:22] baby, [26:23] I will not use 150 billion, [26:26] to buy a jet, [26:28] when 80% of our primary, [26:31] healthcare centers, [26:32] are not for sure, [26:33] even as against security protocols, [26:35] which security, [26:36] you've been a governor, [26:36] you know what it means, [26:37] that's nothing they tell, [26:41] I was a governor, [26:42] for my first four years, [26:44] I drove 406, [26:47] for the rest of it, [26:48] I didn't drive, [26:48] blood proof cars, [26:50] nobody's trying to kill you, [26:51] you're doing the right thing, [26:52] it's why you do the wrong thing, [26:53] you're feeling about that, [26:55] with security agency, [26:56] will even allow you, [26:57] forget all those, [26:58] if your, [26:59] if your people are dying, [27:03] you should be ready to die, [27:04] that's the job you chose, [27:06] or you go back to your house, [27:07] and live quietly, [27:09] the prisoners, [27:10] should also be ready to die, [27:11] if your people are dying, [27:13] why should you have, [27:14] we have security, [27:15] because no, [27:17] you can fly, [27:18] who is protecting you in the air, [27:20] if you crash, [27:20] everybody dies, [27:21] British Airways flies every day, [27:23] how many people have died, [27:24] are they going to provide, [27:25] the security in the air, [27:28] let me, [27:28] let me take you to, [27:29] what, [27:29] because what is important, [27:30] for our nation today, [27:32] is the alternative, [27:33] and the options, [27:34] that we have as a people, [27:35] the hope of a better Nigeria, [27:37] and let me, [27:38] economy is very key, [27:40] and I look at this government, [27:42] the administration says, [27:44] they are focused heavily, [27:46] on current, [27:47] currency reforms, [27:49] and of subsidy remover, [27:50] which many say, [27:52] have worsened inflation, [27:53] and hardship for ordinary Nigerians, [27:56] what alternative economic strategies, [27:58] would you pursue, [28:00] to stabilize the economy, [28:01] and protect the most vulnerable, [28:04] compared to the current government's approach, [28:06] should you become president, [28:08] so, [28:10] I campaign, [28:11] on removal of subsidy, [28:13] remember, [28:14] but I said, [28:16] well, [28:17] there is a corruption, [28:19] associated, [28:20] with the subsidy, [28:22] that you need to remove first, [28:25] if you have removed it, [28:26] that's why I said, [28:28] yes, [28:29] but it was done, [28:30] in a disorganized manner, [28:31] so everything is about, [28:33] organization, [28:34] there is a corruption, [28:35] associated with it, [28:37] that you need to remove first, [28:39] to know the actual subsidy, [28:41] and organize, [28:42] how you can gradually, [28:46] deal with whatever is remaining, [28:49] and people must have to see the alternative, [28:51] when this government removes subsidy, [28:54] do you know what they said, [28:56] they said, [28:56] it's to stop borrowing, [29:01] to sustain it, [29:04] for sure, [29:04] this government has borrowed more, [29:08] than government of, [29:11] here I do, [29:11] I, [29:12] Jonathan, [29:13] we had to put together, [29:16] and so at the time, [29:17] we had to leave left, [29:18] saying, [29:18] our debt, [29:20] was about 80 trillion, [29:23] today we almost, [29:24] worth 80 trillion, [29:27] without anything, [29:29] to show for it, [29:30] is it a crime, [29:30] to borrow as a government, [29:32] no, [29:34] saying, [29:35] these are part of the laws, [29:36] I want to change, [29:38] we must not make a law, [29:39] that all borrowing, [29:40] must be for investment, [29:42] in critical areas of development, [29:45] you don't borrow, [29:47] for consumption, [29:48] without that, [29:49] you waste everybody's time, [29:51] saying, [29:51] I'm a businessman, [29:52] there's nothing wrong, [29:53] in borrowing, [29:54] if I borrow to build factory, [29:56] it's different, [29:57] if you borrow to bury your father, [30:00] because your father, [30:01] is of non-value, [30:02] he's gone, [30:03] he's just consumption, [30:05] that's why I keep saying, [30:06] that I want to move this country, [30:08] from consumption, [30:09] to production, [30:10] for example, [30:10] what would you borrow for, [30:12] if you are president, [30:14] saying, [30:15] I borrow, [30:16] to finance, [30:17] education, [30:18] I borrow to ensure, [30:20] that Nigerians have power, [30:24] I can go on and on, [30:25] there's so many things, [30:26] how long can it take you, [30:27] for example, [30:27] to fix Nigerian power situation, [30:31] saying, [30:32] you went to Egypt, [30:33] thank you, [30:34] saying, [30:34] let me tell, [30:35] that's it, [30:36] it took Egypt five years, [30:39] saying, [30:39] I'm not going to fish overnight, [30:41] but, [30:42] remember what I said, [30:43] nobody expects, [30:45] 100% success, [30:48] there was 100% effort, [30:50] if development, [30:52] and what you do, [30:52] governance, [30:53] must be measurable, [30:55] so if we decide, [30:56] okay, [30:58] we are now at 4,000, [31:00] saying, [31:01] I can decide, [31:02] I'm only going to do 8,000, [31:04] but, [31:05] annually, [31:06] there must be improvements, [31:08] how would you do it, [31:10] how would you fix power, [31:11] saying, [31:11] it's not rocket science, [31:13] Egypt, [31:14] I'm not saying now, [31:15] saying, [31:16] the three countries, [31:17] that improve power, [31:19] in the recent time, [31:20] unless one did it yesterday, [31:21] at the same time, [31:22] I went to Egypt, [31:23] we are three countries, [31:24] in the world, [31:25] India, [31:25] Vietnam, [31:27] and Egypt, [31:28] those are developing countries, [31:31] so, [31:31] Cheung, [31:32] governance is about learning, [31:33] from best parties, [31:35] it is rocket science, [31:38] so what do you, [31:38] have you identified, [31:40] why, [31:41] I'm, [31:42] over 40, [31:44] and I've not, [31:45] in my lifetime, [31:46] since I was born, [31:47] I've not experienced, [31:48] constant electricity, [31:50] and my children were born, [31:51] into a similar situation, [31:53] the question is, [31:54] have you identified, [31:55] what the problem is, [31:56] yes, [31:57] the problem, [31:59] is, [32:00] in failure, [32:02] of leadership, [32:04] that's a problem, [32:05] of electricity, [32:05] everything, [32:07] if you have a determined leader, [32:10] he will learn, [32:12] he will ensure, [32:13] imprimacy vigorously, [32:15] so let me give you, [32:16] I gave you an example, [32:17] that I, [32:18] I came into a state, [32:19] where, [32:20] so before I became, [32:21] governor of Anambra state, [32:24] Anambra was being used, [32:25] for wrong reasons, [32:27] governors were fighting, [32:29] husbands were being born, [32:30] every time, [32:31] you call Anambra, [32:32] it's like 11, [32:33] when I came there, [32:35] when I became governor, [32:36] in Anambra state, [32:38] the day I was sworn in, [32:39] there was no government house, [32:40] there was no governor's lodge, [32:42] we didn't have a secretary, [32:44] all our ministry, [32:45] were scattered all over the place, [32:46] all these things were happening, [32:48] people didn't know where, [32:49] then of course, [32:50] you know that our schools, [32:51] were closed for two years, [32:52] and everything, [32:53] but come on, [32:55] this change, [32:56] and we become an exemplary place, [32:59] because, [33:00] say cross me, [33:01] you said, [33:02] this is wrong, [33:03] and I'll pursue what is wrong, [33:05] look at what is happening in Nigeria, [33:07] not even, [33:09] we are a democratic country, [33:11] are we democratic today? [33:13] Say, [33:13] is there a rocket science to say, [33:15] I am a president of the country, [33:17] I will obey, [33:19] and follow, [33:20] the rules, [33:21] election must be free and fair, [33:23] say, [33:23] well I will do that, [33:25] say, [33:25] is there any difficulty, [33:26] in making sure, [33:28] I want a strong party, [33:30] I want strong opposition party, [33:32] say, [33:32] well I will not be happy, [33:33] like the president announced, [33:36] that he is happy, [33:37] that the opposition, [33:38] is in crisis, [33:39] I will go there, [33:40] and solve it, [33:41] as governor of Anambra state, [33:43] you've seen me say it every day, [33:46] Fashola is alive, [33:48] he was coming to my state, [33:50] to campaign for, [33:51] Dr. Christine Gigue, [33:53] in an election, [33:54] I'm campaigning, [33:55] I gave him my, [33:56] official vehicles, [33:58] gave him everything, [33:59] that drove him to the campaign, [34:02] saying, [34:02] in my life, [34:03] Obosante was coming to campaign, [34:05] to Andy, [34:06] in an election, [34:07] I'm contesting, [34:09] I took him, [34:10] I drove him to where, [34:11] he's going to campaign, [34:13] in front of me, [34:14] the hands of assembly, [34:16] which is under me, [34:17] passed a resolution, [34:19] that they want Andy, [34:21] not me again, [34:22] Andrew Sokalu is there, [34:24] he came to campaign, [34:25] for Che Kunefer, [34:27] I gave him, [34:28] the vehicles that took him, [34:29] to the campaign, [34:30] when he finished, [34:31] he came to my lunch, [34:32] at lunch, [34:33] in front of me, [34:34] standing this way, [34:35] which is standing this way, [34:36] he said he has come to campaign, [34:38] that I've done well, [34:39] which will replace me, [34:40] that I was in that election, [34:41] and when I go, [34:42] they go say, [34:43] oh Peter, [34:43] you're too weak, [34:43] I say, [34:44] am I, [34:45] are there the people going to vote, [34:47] when the people voted, [34:48] they voted for me, [34:49] so the same thing, [34:50] that president is doing, [34:51] by employing, [34:52] or appointing, [34:54] Yunus Umweke, [34:55] as FCT minister, [34:57] and empowering the opposition, [34:58] is that, [34:59] the kind of thing, [34:59] you're describing, [35:00] no, [35:01] he's not empowering the opposition, [35:02] I want strong opposition parties, [35:05] even, [35:06] let's say, [35:07] I'm president today, [35:09] in one party, [35:10] I want strong PDP, [35:13] that's what I want in labor, [35:14] I want strong APC, [35:16] I want to have, [35:18] I want to listen to them, [35:19] the viral democracy, [35:20] I want to see democracy thrive, [35:23] I want people to understand, [35:25] I want to listen to the opposition, [35:27] because they might have an idea, [35:29] that is superior, [35:30] to what I have, [35:31] that is governance, [35:31] would you be forming, [35:33] something like a government, [35:34] of national unity, [35:36] and taking people, [35:37] who are not in your party, [35:39] to form government, [35:40] is that the kind of thing, [35:41] you would do, [35:42] so we are talking about Nigeria, [35:44] if they have something, [35:45] that is better, [35:46] I will take it, [35:47] you appoint ministers, [35:48] outside of your party, [35:49] it's not for sure, [35:49] appointing ministers, [35:50] I'm appointing Nigerians, [35:52] we are competent, [35:53] happens everywhere, [35:55] so, [35:56] the government of England, [35:58] went to Canada, [35:59] to hire, [36:00] a central bank government, [36:01] do you know how old England is, [36:04] that colonized Canada, [36:06] they went there, [36:07] because they wanted to function, [36:09] it's only in this country, [36:10] that you put incompetent people, [36:12] in a place, [36:13] because they are your relation, [36:14] or they know you, [36:15] and that's what I'm clamoring for, [36:17] we have voted, [36:19] for incompetence, [36:20] we voted for tribe, [36:22] we voted for religion, [36:24] let's vote for competence, [36:26] do you think that the north, [36:27] trusts you, [36:30] say I want them to trust me, [36:35] the biggest assets, [36:36] of this country, [36:37] is in the north, [36:39] the uncultivated land in the north, [36:42] the criminality we face in the north, [36:44] today I will deal with it, [36:45] say if I'm present in the north, [36:46] it will celebrate me, [36:48] I have an idea of the problem, [36:50] say I'm in this country, [36:52] when, [36:53] if I'm looking for cash, [36:54] I go to Canada, [36:56] there used to be, [36:57] in Dosses, [36:58] in Bombay 1, [37:00] in Bombay, [37:02] Shardam 1, [37:02] Shardam 2, [37:03] and everything, [37:05] say at a time, [37:07] Indonesia, [37:09] is making, [37:11] sorry, [37:11] let me even know, [37:12] live in Indonesia, [37:14] at a time, [37:14] Bangladesh, [37:16] is making over 50 billion, [37:19] from clothing, [37:21] more money than we make, [37:22] from money, [37:24] we don't have, [37:25] even one single, [37:27] textile, [37:28] cotton meal, [37:31] in this country, [37:32] functional, [37:34] at a time, [37:36] countries after countries, [37:38] are making huge money, [37:40] from agriculture, [37:42] Morocco, [37:43] they're working, [37:44] and, [37:44] exporting food, [37:46] to Europe, [37:49] say we're hungry, [37:50] Bangladesh, [37:53] again, [37:55] show you Bangladesh, [37:56] produces, [37:57] 50 to 60 million, [38:00] tons, [38:01] of rice, [38:03] Nigeria does not, [38:04] produce 10%, [38:05] of a meal, [38:06] rice, [38:06] Nigeria does not, [38:07] produce 10% of that, [38:08] let me ask you, [38:09] for a country, [38:11] where are two, [38:12] biggest states, [38:15] Niger, [38:16] at 76.3, [38:19] and Boronu, [38:19] at 70.8, [38:21] is 147, [38:22] and the population, [38:24] of the people living there, [38:25] which means, [38:25] we have more land, [38:27] is less than 15 million, [38:29] as I got, [38:29] I went Bangladesh, [38:31] 148,600 square kilometers, [38:34] so, [38:35] it is, [38:35] these two, [38:37] are the same, [38:38] and they have 177 million people, [38:40] and they produce, [38:40] that amount of rice, [38:44] if I come and see, [38:46] say I was in Indonesia, [38:47] this year, [38:48] from February 1, [38:50] to February 7, [38:52] meeting from, [38:53] Minister of Health, [38:54] Minister of Education, [38:56] Minister of Small, [38:56] Businesses, [38:57] Minister of This, [38:58] to former Vice President, [39:00] to the most popular president, [39:02] the Kulu, [39:03] and they, [39:03] so you learn, [39:04] and what they did, [39:05] is not rocket science. [39:06] Let me ask you, [39:06] Mr. Piravi, [39:07] you add, [39:08] there is a popular, [39:10] slogan, [39:10] that you used, [39:11] in the campaign, [39:13] from consumption, [39:14] to production. [39:15] Yes. [39:16] It's not productive. [39:18] Let me ask you, [39:19] because there are those, [39:19] who have also criticized you, [39:21] that, [39:21] what industry did, [39:22] Obi even put, [39:24] in an ambra, [39:25] when he was governor, [39:26] to start with, [39:27] as an example, [39:28] but I like to take, [39:29] the Nigerian example. [39:31] I mean, [39:31] you know, [39:31] the industries, [39:33] the people use it, [39:34] as an example. [39:35] The brewery, [39:36] right, [39:37] as one. [39:38] Yes. [39:38] But what the big question here, [39:40] we're looking at, [39:41] a bigger picture, [39:41] Mr. Obi, [39:43] we need to, [39:44] start looking, [39:45] at a competitive advantage, [39:47] as a country. [39:48] Yes. [39:48] Where would the jobs, [39:49] come the most? [39:51] Where would the more money, [39:52] come, [39:52] as an alternative to oil? [39:54] If you're a president, [39:56] where do you think, [39:57] you will focus the most, [39:58] in the very first one year, [40:00] that can give us, [40:01] that advantage? [40:03] Sayon, [40:05] I might not turn it around, [40:06] the very first one year, [40:07] but I can tell you, [40:08] sayon, [40:09] we can make more money, [40:10] from agriculture, [40:11] than we make from oil. [40:12] Any day, [40:13] any time. [40:14] I can show it to you. [40:15] Which produce, [40:16] would you be focusing on? [40:17] Sayon, [40:17] we have all the produce. [40:19] Why did you think, [40:20] sayon, [40:21] go and look at the arrays. [40:23] Do you know, [40:24] the arrays, [40:25] which the colonial masters did, [40:28] were focused on, [40:29] where we were getting, [40:30] products. [40:32] Sayon, [40:32] there's so much, [40:34] Nigerian land is so fertile, [40:36] that we can grow, [40:37] anything. [40:39] I usually, [40:40] I say it every day, [40:41] a tiny country, [40:42] like Netherlands, [40:45] middle of water. [40:48] If you might not, [40:49] there are 41,000 square kilometers. [40:51] Sayon, [40:52] if you might not, [40:52] what the data, [40:53] the 30,000, [40:54] they made 126,000, [40:57] billion euros, [41:00] 136 billion dollars, [41:03] in one year, [41:04] from agricultural products. [41:07] States, [41:10] is the size, [41:12] our Niger state, [41:13] is two and a half, [41:14] 30,000. [41:15] You see, [41:15] the Niger state, [41:16] we're having problems. [41:17] It has the most, [41:18] one of the best, [41:19] for that land, [41:19] on surface of the earth. [41:22] Sayon, [41:22] the one that is today, [41:24] is looking for, [41:25] Sava, [41:26] they're looking for, [41:27] we have ginger. [41:27] We're not talking about, [41:28] we have ginger. [41:28] We're not talking about, [41:29] Nassara. [41:29] I can go. [41:31] You're not, [41:31] you're not, [41:32] that belt, [41:33] as I said, [41:34] we are not talking, [41:36] Ethiopia. [41:39] Sesame. [41:39] Ethiopia today, [41:41] is making huge money, [41:43] from coffee, [41:44] sesame, [41:45] everything you call, [41:46] Kenya, [41:48] made over, [41:50] almost, [41:51] over half a billion dollars, [41:53] from flour. [41:54] Go to Kenya, [41:55] when they are doing Valentine's Day, [41:57] planes carrying flowers every day. [41:58] You go to the flower field, [42:00] and see children, [42:01] we have terrain for it. [42:03] We have 54,000 square kilometers of land, [42:07] in Taraba, [42:08] it's not Taraba here, [42:09] that can grow all that. [42:12] Which one would you focus on? [42:13] All of them, [42:14] simultaneously, [42:15] because it's an investment. [42:17] That's why I said, [42:17] I will borrow, [42:18] and put in investment. [42:20] You are not borrowing, [42:21] for production, [42:23] not for consumption. [42:23] Have you done the math? [42:25] Oh, [42:25] it's very easy. [42:28] I don't need to renovate conference center. [42:30] There's no conference here. [42:32] Anybody who wants to do conference, [42:34] I'm even ready to shut it down. [42:36] Let those who want conference, [42:37] go to anywhere. [42:39] I'm not going to buy yachts. [42:40] I'm not going, [42:41] I've done it as a governor. [42:44] You ask which industry did I build. [42:46] Say, [42:46] one of the first places I renovated as governor, [42:49] was industrial estate in Arita. [42:51] Go there and see the number of industries. [42:53] Jonathan commissioned, [42:54] at least 10 industries there. [42:58] Say, [42:58] I'll come, [42:59] I'll show it to you, [43:00] including the freeway that I've mentioned. [43:02] That freeway, [43:03] is the biggest taxpayer, [43:05] in Alambrad State. [43:07] It's government. [43:09] You know, [43:10] yes, [43:10] I didn't build, [43:12] eh, [43:14] luxury place, [43:16] for governor. [43:16] No, [43:16] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] no, [43:17] I was king. [43:19] I'm a businessman. [43:22] I want, [43:22] today we have youth, [43:24] in their productive age, [43:26] with a lot of talent, [43:27] doing nothing. [43:28] Say, [43:28] we've invest in the SMEs, [43:30] yeah, [43:30] no young person today, [43:32] can start business. [43:34] What about for something percent? [43:36] How can they compete? [43:38] Everything is against them. [43:40] Nobody's encouraging them. [43:42] No training. [43:43] If they have access to money, [43:45] it's at a huge interest rate. [43:47] Go to Indonesia. [43:49] Your official interest rate, [43:50] is 13 to 14 percent. [43:55] For SMEs, [43:57] it is between four, [43:59] and a maximum of six. [44:00] And it's over 30 percent here in Nigeria. [44:03] How can they survive? [44:04] So you go to Indonesia, [44:06] which is a country of our size, [44:09] we have about 230 million, [44:11] there are 280 million. [44:13] Go and check, [44:14] 90 percent of the companies in Indonesia, [44:17] is SMEs. [44:19] 90 percent of the job creation, [44:22] is within this circle. [44:23] But for example, [44:24] do you applaud this government, [44:26] for some initiative, [44:27] for example, [44:28] the tax reform bills, [44:29] those four laws, [44:31] that have been signed by the president, [44:32] the student loan, [44:34] that has been given, [44:35] the credit core, [44:37] and this government will say, [44:38] we are turning the curve, [44:41] and our economy is gaining momentum. [44:44] Are you able to applaud those kind of initiatives? [44:49] The reality in governance is the people. [44:53] Nigeria has never lacked good policies. [44:58] What it lacked is good, committed employees. [45:06] Nigerians are very good people. [45:09] They are committed. [45:11] That's why every president comes and says, [45:13] things are difficult, [45:16] let's fast. [45:18] They will jump to it and say, [45:19] okay, [45:21] let's fast with you. [45:22] But then the leader is now going to fist, [45:26] when they have just asked the people to say, [45:27] you can't tell people to fast, [45:32] when you're fist. [45:35] Buying new planes, [45:37] you're renovating houses, [45:39] buying new mansions, [45:40] doing this. [45:41] Shane, [45:42] we don't have a hospital. [45:43] If anything happens to you or me now, [45:45] they can't rush us to our national hospital. [45:47] They are private hospitals. [45:49] No, [45:49] no, [45:49] they have broken that. [45:51] Shane, [45:51] I'm just telling you, [45:52] when British Prime Minister, [45:57] British Prime Minister had COVID, [46:01] they took him to St. Mary's. [46:05] I had a cousin in the UK. [46:07] He had COVID. [46:07] They took him to St. Mary's. [46:10] Our national hospital is supposed to be [46:12] our number one hospital. [46:14] Go there, [46:15] they have no equipment. [46:17] It's all broken down. [46:19] They have no ambulance. [46:22] Our government officials are driving on the road [46:24] with ambulance. [46:26] Shane, [46:26] I've never seen government officials [46:29] anywhere outside Nigeria. [46:31] He's come for a house and plants. [46:33] Not even, [46:34] no, [46:34] I've lived in the UK for years. [46:36] Why? [46:37] Because I don't have plants in hospitals. [46:39] Plants are meant to be in hospitals, [46:41] not to be following government officials. [46:42] Is there a promise that, [46:43] I'd like to know, [46:45] because all of these, [46:47] the policies and everything [46:49] that we're talking about [46:51] in terms of the economy, [46:52] the bottom line is the livelihood [46:55] of the average person. [46:57] Complain! [46:57] The man and the woman [46:58] who are trying to eke out a living, [47:00] if they don't work every day, [47:02] they cannot feed their families. [47:04] What promise do you have for them? [47:06] For them to think that [47:07] Peter Gregory Roby [47:08] has an idea [47:09] that can alleviate their poverty, [47:12] give them some hope. [47:14] How soon do you think, [47:16] should we be elected president, [47:18] that you can help them out [47:19] of this poverty [47:20] and this hopelessness? [47:22] Shane, [47:22] it's not going to be overnight. [47:24] But let me tell you. [47:24] But you will do it in four years. [47:25] From day one, [47:27] I will tackle issue of security. [47:29] You can't tell me [47:30] that non-state actors [47:31] can be stronger than state. [47:33] How would you do that? [47:34] We declare war. [47:36] Shane, [47:36] we've lost more people [47:37] than countries at war. [47:38] So let's go to war. [47:41] Let's do whatever it is. [47:43] Even the burden [47:44] you're talking, [47:45] burden money [47:46] to put into security, [47:48] into equipment, [47:50] get the manpower. [47:51] But you will not get [47:52] those equipments [47:53] in real time. [47:54] You have to wait [47:55] until the manufacturer. [47:56] Shane, [47:56] let me tell you. [47:57] It's frustrating. [47:58] There's nothing you cannot do [47:59] if you want to do it. [48:01] It's frustrating. [48:02] So this government [48:03] doesn't have the willpower [48:04] or what? [48:05] Shane, [48:05] I just told you. [48:07] People are being killed. [48:09] They are not even dead. [48:10] They are commissioning [48:10] post-station. [48:12] He said, [48:12] you cannot tell me [48:13] that I, Peter, [48:15] will be sitting [48:16] where we have [48:18] 10 soldiers die [48:23] which I'm not sure [48:24] and police die [48:27] and everything [48:27] which I'm not sure [48:29] they're being killed [48:30] and my job is to sit [48:32] for 2-3 hours [48:33] where they are commissioning [48:35] post-station. [48:36] He said, [48:37] we will not do it. [48:39] I will shut it down [48:40] and go out there. [48:41] You declares it [48:42] of emergency [48:42] on security. [48:44] No, [48:44] if there's a war [48:45] we declare war [48:46] we can be at war. [48:47] There's nothing wrong [48:48] in saying [48:48] our country is at war. [48:50] And you will by yourself [48:51] as a commander-in-chief [48:52] go to the war front? [48:54] I can tell you, [48:55] Shane, [48:55] I might not go physically [48:58] but I'll go [48:58] because I'll be with [48:59] the people there. [49:00] They will know [49:01] I'm with them. [49:02] What are they? [49:02] Yeah, [49:02] this has happened to me [49:04] as a governor. [49:06] I was, [49:07] I wish [49:07] you can go and meet [49:09] my police commissioners [49:10] when we have problems. [49:12] One is Linda [49:12] and John Aruna [49:13] who is alive [49:15] and I told them [49:18] we have war. [49:19] You must see me [49:19] 25 hours. [49:20] Ask them, [49:22] that's my commander [49:23] of the army [49:23] when I was there. [49:24] He's in Abu Dhabi. [49:25] Yeah, [49:26] I told him [49:27] we have war. [49:28] In Abu Dhabi. [49:29] You can see me anytime. [49:30] I must stop [49:31] this criminal [49:31] in the United States. [49:32] And I'm happy [49:33] that if you look [49:34] at an interview [49:35] from then [49:37] HG Abu Bakr [49:38] I said, [49:38] for five years [49:39] we've not had [49:40] issue of [49:41] bank robbery, [49:43] major crime [49:44] in a number of states. [49:45] But they were, [49:46] they were, [49:47] they were, [49:47] they were [49:48] spread of [49:48] the kidnappings [49:49] and a few [49:50] out of those [49:50] there's, [49:51] there's nothing [49:52] you will not see [49:53] anywhere in the world. [49:55] The kidnappings [49:55] in America, [49:56] the kill people [49:56] in America. [49:57] The difference is that [49:58] if any happens [49:59] there's a reaction [50:00] from government. [50:01] People want to see [50:03] governments. [50:03] Do you have [50:03] alternative Mr. LB [50:05] on how to solve? [50:06] Because we've been [50:07] employing the same [50:08] techniques [50:09] over the years. [50:10] Do you have, [50:11] have you learned [50:12] a new way [50:12] to solving this [50:13] insecurity problem? [50:14] There is so many. [50:16] Even I told you, [50:17] that's what you call [50:18] natural insecurity. [50:22] That is [50:22] pulling people [50:23] out of poverty. [50:25] So by the time [50:26] you invest, [50:28] the entire states [50:29] in the north [50:29] cumulatively, [50:31] cumulatively, [50:33] over the past [50:34] two years [50:35] have not been able [50:37] to support their [50:37] SMEs [50:38] with more than [50:41] maybe [50:41] let me be [50:44] zeros, [50:44] 50 billion. [50:45] I've been to [50:47] two states [50:48] in the north [50:48] who told me [50:50] they apply [50:51] for Bank of [50:52] Industry. [50:53] So you know [50:53] this credit, [50:54] this SME [50:56] matching fund [50:58] with POI, [51:00] she said [51:00] I started it [51:01] as the governor. [51:02] I was the first [51:03] governor in Nigeria [51:04] who called [51:07] the then POI [51:09] MD, [51:11] Evelyn Oputu, [51:13] and said [51:14] I'm coming to see [51:15] you on Sunday, [51:17] first flight on Sunday. [51:19] He said [51:19] he's going to church. [51:21] She's still alive. [51:22] I said [51:23] what I'm going to see [51:24] you is church. [51:25] That church [51:26] is about [51:26] praying [51:27] for survival [51:28] and so [51:29] I'm coming [51:30] to the church [51:31] I'm going to see [51:32] and I arrived [51:33] in Lagos [51:34] and I said [51:34] I want your POI, [51:38] I want to put in [51:39] a certain amount [51:40] of money, [51:41] you put a matching [51:42] fund [51:42] so I can give it [51:44] to my SMEs. [51:47] I asked her [51:47] she was there [51:48] because I came [51:49] from the bank [51:50] that's the difference [51:51] because I came [51:51] from business [51:53] background [51:53] so I know [51:54] what the SMEs [51:55] need. [51:56] I came [51:57] from banking [51:58] background [51:59] I know how [52:00] to do that. [52:00] He said [52:01] yes. [52:01] I said [52:03] and there's no [52:04] bank of industry [52:05] branch in my state [52:06] so I want you [52:07] to come and [52:08] open one [52:08] I want you [52:09] to do this [52:10] but I don't [52:11] want to do it [52:11] with government [52:12] I will bring [52:13] the traders [52:13] you work with [52:15] them [52:15] I'll put the [52:16] money [52:16] go on AXA [52:17] we're the first [52:18] to do it [52:19] and I started [52:20] it [52:20] and I'm telling [52:21] that all these [52:22] 19 states in the [52:23] north [52:23] have not spent [52:24] 50 billion [52:26] there's 150 [52:29] billion [52:29] used to buy [52:30] a plane [52:31] I'll put it [52:32] as a matching [52:33] fund [52:33] just for example [52:35] and get another [52:37] 150 billion [52:38] that's 300 [52:40] shared [52:41] by the 19th [52:44] state [52:45] call it 20th [52:45] state [52:46] so you should [52:47] get 15 billion [52:48] during this period [52:50] and you're giving [52:51] to these young people [52:52] so I have gone to [52:53] prisons [52:54] and see these young [52:55] people [52:55] that have problems [52:56] and I ask them [52:58] why do you do this [52:58] they have no job [52:59] they don't know [53:00] where the next [53:01] male will come [53:01] from [53:02] and if you don't [53:03] know where the next [53:04] male will come [53:04] from [53:05] so nobody can [53:06] know [53:07] or imagine [53:08] what you can do [53:08] let me ask you [53:09] as a governor [53:10] there are those [53:11] who say [53:12] the federating units [53:13] need to play [53:13] their roles [53:14] there's just a [53:15] president of the [53:16] federal republic [53:16] and the 36 [53:18] state [53:19] leaders of [53:20] 36 state [53:20] government [53:22] the question is [53:24] issue of state [53:24] policing come to [53:25] bear [53:25] what would you [53:27] be suggesting [53:28] as the alternative [53:30] solution [53:31] in governing [53:32] all of the [53:33] states of the [53:33] country [53:34] and making sure [53:35] that they are [53:35] properly policed [53:36] so I will have [53:38] community policing [53:41] I will encourage [53:42] it [53:43] local government [53:44] policing [53:45] I will encourage [53:46] it [53:46] state policing [53:47] I will encourage [53:48] it [53:48] federal policing [53:49] she has governor [53:50] every community [53:52] in Anambra state [53:53] have community [53:56] security system [53:57] employing [53:59] 10 to 20 [54:01] persons [54:01] paid directly [54:03] from my office [54:04] as governor [54:05] she will verify [54:07] what I'm telling [54:08] you [54:08] I vote for [54:09] every community [54:10] in Anambra state [54:11] a pick-up [54:12] with gadgets [54:14] for policing [54:15] you can go [54:17] and check it [54:17] every [54:18] I didn't say [54:18] one community [54:19] we have nearly [54:20] 200 communities [54:21] I bought pick-up [54:22] for each community [54:24] some communities [54:25] even got more [54:25] like [54:26] I gave them [54:29] more vehicles [54:29] so we had [54:31] vehicles [54:32] even markets [54:33] traders in the [54:35] market [54:35] even churches [54:37] pastors [54:38] I said listen [54:39] I gave all of them [54:42] security vehicles [54:43] was paying for [54:47] security personnel [54:48] that was [54:49] manning it [54:50] so if you steal [54:51] in one town [54:52] the radio [54:53] you cannot [54:54] the three major [54:56] criminals [54:56] that were [54:56] operating in the [54:57] southeast [54:57] everybody knows [55:00] them [55:00] you will not know [55:01] because of the [55:02] Igbo names [55:03] welcome to [55:07] Nanambra state [55:07] because once you steal [55:09] in one town [55:09] the radio [55:10] they must get you [55:11] in another town [55:12] so I will do [55:14] that's what I said [55:14] I will do whatever [55:16] it is to secure [55:17] the country [55:17] security is number [55:19] one [55:19] nobody is going to [55:21] come and invest [55:22] in Lagos [55:22] if you hear [55:23] this bomb [55:24] in Boronu [55:24] because there's no way [55:25] the bomb will come [55:26] to Lagos [55:26] so you need to [55:28] the reputation [55:30] of your country [55:31] in terms of security [55:33] in terms of local [55:34] investment [55:34] it's critical [55:35] for you to [55:36] I mean [55:37] when you touched [55:38] touched on the issue [55:39] of the security [55:40] in the southeast [55:41] there were those [55:41] who criticized you [55:42] that you never came out [55:43] to condemn [55:45] the role [55:46] of Igbo [55:47] and those who [55:48] were the agitators [55:49] and those who [55:50] were asking [55:51] for seats at home [55:52] and some of the [55:54] killings that happened [55:54] they are not following me [55:56] I have condemned [55:57] killings everywhere [55:58] even the one that happened [55:59] in Alambra yesterday [56:00] you are talking about [56:01] the role of Igbo [56:02] I said I have condemned [56:03] everybody [56:04] the only thing I said [56:05] about the agitators [56:06] let me tell you now [56:07] it doesn't matter [56:09] well [56:09] there's you [56:10] about the agitators [56:11] there's other agitators [56:12] there's other agitators [56:13] I will talk to them [56:14] there's nothing wrong [56:16] in agitators [56:17] anybody who says [56:18] okay come on [56:19] let's talk [56:19] you want to exhaust [56:21] reason [56:22] you want to exhaust [56:22] well I see all those [56:24] functionalities [56:24] as a function [56:26] of a dysfunctional [56:28] is the result [56:29] of a dysfunctional [56:30] society [56:30] if you do the right [56:32] all these things [56:32] will collapse [56:33] on its own [56:34] change what I'm going [56:36] to unleash here [56:37] as somebody who works [56:41] in government [56:41] will change it [56:42] when I was in Alambra [56:44] it was very peaceful [56:44] there was no issue [56:46] between parties [56:47] between everything [56:48] don't forget [56:50] I governed with 30 [56:52] members of house [56:55] not from my party [56:56] 3 senators [56:58] not from my party [56:59] national assembly members [57:01] not from my party [57:02] that's how I started [57:04] teach me when I started [57:06] because they didn't [57:07] know where I was going [57:08] they didn't know [57:09] they saw something [57:10] that was different [57:11] and I always say [57:13] then when they [57:14] impeach people [57:15] say oh this is what [57:15] they are there [57:16] no no no [57:16] they have rights [57:18] I'm like a driver [57:20] driving a vehicle [57:23] with full of passengers [57:24] that have since passed [57:25] their destination [57:26] so they didn't know [57:27] where I was going [57:28] would this be [57:28] canvassing for a [57:29] political solution [57:30] to the case of [57:31] Annam De Kano [57:32] for every one of them [57:34] I mean why [57:35] why is he being held [57:36] it doesn't make sense [57:38] to me [57:39] some people say [57:41] because he used [57:41] vulgar wars [57:42] it doesn't bother me [57:49] if I'm president [57:50] whether he called me [57:51] thief [57:52] call me [57:53] a less man [57:54] call me idiot [57:55] but you call me today [57:57] it doesn't bother me [57:58] my duty [58:00] as a leader [58:01] is to the commandment [58:03] to put food on your table [58:04] but if you are talking [58:05] about the situation [58:07] in the south [58:08] is it the same way [58:09] you handle [58:10] the agitators [58:11] and those who are killing [58:12] in the north east [58:13] and the north west [58:13] remember what I said [58:15] if there are people [58:16] I can talk to [58:17] I will talk to them [58:19] but remember what I said [58:20] what's the exhaust reason [58:22] I'll deal with it [58:24] so if they can see them [58:26] my first sign is that [58:31] if they say [58:33] Shehu is the one [58:34] operating in the north east [58:35] let's say tomorrow [58:37] we have a bandit [58:38] by name Shehu [58:39] operating in the north east [58:41] I will look for saying [58:42] quote me anywhere [58:45] but remember but [58:49] that is just [58:51] establish a link [58:54] to say [58:55] enough is enough [58:57] afterwards [58:58] deal with it decisively [59:00] are you happy with [59:02] the peace and the quiet [59:03] in the south east [59:04] after the arrest [59:05] of Simon Egber [59:06] there's no peace anywhere [59:11] like I know in Nigeria now [59:13] so for me [59:15] I just told you [59:16] they killed 10 years [59:17] in the United States [59:18] is that peace [59:20] people are being killed [59:22] everywhere in Nigeria [59:22] everywhere [59:26] let me ask you [59:28] quickly [59:28] yes [59:28] a lot of your followers [59:30] believe so much in you [59:32] and those who do not [59:33] believe in you [59:34] still don't think [59:35] that you're the right man [59:36] why do you think [59:38] that Nigerians should trust [59:39] a Peter Gregory will be [59:41] that will give them hope [59:43] and will give them focus [59:45] should they currently trust you [59:48] Shehu [59:49] everything I've said [59:50] I did [59:51] as governor [59:52] when I was campaigning [59:54] to be governor [59:54] of an umbrella state [59:55] I said I'll fix the education [59:58] I'll make sure [1:00:00] I improve in education [1:00:02] there will never be a time [1:00:04] children will not be in school [1:00:07] I can show you [1:00:10] education increased [1:00:13] it became better [1:00:14] I said we're going to deal [1:00:16] with issue of health [1:00:17] we have [1:00:18] we didn't have [1:00:19] one single [1:00:20] one [1:00:21] one single [1:00:22] school of nursing [1:00:23] and school of midwifery [1:00:24] by the time I left [1:00:26] we have more schools [1:00:27] of midwifery [1:00:28] and school of nursing [1:00:29] today than any state [1:00:30] Shehu [1:00:32] I talked about [1:00:32] rural roads [1:00:33] opening up [1:00:34] you can't go on and on [1:00:36] it is not [1:00:37] the same [1:00:37] so Nigerians can trust [1:00:38] like I said [1:00:39] no [1:00:39] Shehu [1:00:39] have the solutions [1:00:40] Shehu [1:00:40] we were signatory [1:00:42] Shehu [1:00:42] every day [1:00:43] I said [1:00:44] Nigeria was signatory [1:00:46] to a millennial development goal [1:00:48] which was the same thing [1:00:51] China [1:00:54] India [1:00:55] Vietnam [1:00:57] misstreamed [1:00:59] into their development agenda [1:01:00] from [1:01:02] national [1:01:03] subnational [1:01:04] to local government [1:01:06] China used it to pull [1:01:08] 439 million people [1:01:10] out of poverty [1:01:11] India [1:01:13] 150 something million [1:01:14] and Vietnam [1:01:15] 40 something million [1:01:17] and China was signatory to it [1:01:20] but they didn't do [1:01:21] what these people were doing [1:01:23] and because of it [1:01:25] they threw more people [1:01:27] into poverty [1:01:28] added in a number of states [1:01:30] starting from [1:01:32] after 8 years [1:01:34] they started it [1:01:36] and by 2015 [1:01:37] we were number one [1:01:38] they even had to invite me [1:01:40] to the United Nations [1:01:40] to show what we did [1:01:42] Shehu [1:01:43] when I talk about corruption [1:01:46] Shehu [1:01:47] I find corruption [1:01:47] head on [1:01:48] head on [1:01:49] and I said it [1:01:51] if you [1:01:52] who is number one [1:01:55] either at national level [1:01:58] or state is not selling [1:01:59] your wife is not [1:02:00] your family is not [1:02:02] reduced by 50% [1:02:03] that's an experiment way [1:02:05] I've had people now [1:02:07] who say [1:02:07] oh but you're corrupt [1:02:08] but Shehu [1:02:09] I left at the [1:02:11] 6 billion naira [1:02:12] I would have stolen [1:02:12] I left 150 million dollars [1:02:15] I would have stolen [1:02:16] Shehu [1:02:16] I've never seen a thief [1:02:18] leave what he can steal [1:02:19] people make reference [1:02:20] to the Panama Papers [1:02:21] and some of the [1:02:22] No Shehu [1:02:22] I ask you a question [1:02:23] I've used a thief [1:02:24] leave what he can steal [1:02:25] even in the church today [1:02:26] you go and say [1:02:27] take your phone [1:02:28] mind your phone [1:02:28] because no thieves [1:02:29] come there [1:02:30] no thief have [1:02:31] left what he can steal [1:02:33] Shehu [1:02:34] when they talk about [1:02:35] Pandora Papers [1:02:37] I say [1:02:37] go and investigate it in full [1:02:39] they even said to me [1:02:40] oh [1:02:41] we know there's this amount of money there [1:02:44] they said it's a 500 million dollars [1:02:47] and I challenge everybody [1:02:50] said [1:02:50] go there as a den [1:02:51] they said to me [1:02:52] if you see them [1:02:54] 3% of that [1:02:55] take everything [1:02:56] so you know [1:02:57] we as a jurist here [1:02:59] that is a legal entity [1:03:01] for a state arrangement [1:03:06] Shehu [1:03:08] I've done that all my life [1:03:09] I save money [1:03:12] for my children [1:03:15] and nothing can change it [1:03:17] because I'm a responsible father [1:03:19] I don't want to [1:03:20] anything happens to me tomorrow [1:03:22] and they don't have anything to [1:03:23] no [1:03:24] I have to [1:03:25] and that's what it should be [1:03:28] the same way I would save them [1:03:30] that's what I did for [1:03:31] and I'm black children [1:03:32] the same way I would do for Nigerian children [1:03:35] because [1:03:36] this oil we are sharing the money [1:03:38] is an inspiring and diminishing asset [1:03:42] every other country that handle oil like us [1:03:45] saves the money [1:03:47] except us [1:03:47] and one became a motor park situation [1:03:50] whatever you get [1:03:51] share it on your friends [1:03:52] on a final note [1:03:54] in all of this [1:03:55] you think you are better [1:03:57] than the man [1:03:58] who was at the M of affairs today [1:04:00] Shehu [1:04:01] Shehu [1:04:03] I'm [1:04:03] well [1:04:06] it's for Nigerians to know [1:04:08] Shehu [1:04:09] I believe that [1:04:10] we need [1:04:12] more [1:04:16] competent [1:04:17] leader [1:04:21] with capacity for [1:04:22] compassion for the job [1:04:24] I always say [1:04:26] Shehu [1:04:26] let's check our backgrounds [1:04:27] I started as a small businessman [1:04:30] built business [1:04:32] so I know the problems [1:04:34] of how we can [1:04:36] support SMEs [1:04:37] which is the engine of growth we need [1:04:40] I've been in business [1:04:41] I know what it means to have [1:04:43] a manufacturing [1:04:45] productive country [1:04:47] Shehu [1:04:47] I know that [1:04:48] I've been in finance [1:04:50] in the corporate world [1:04:51] so I know [1:04:52] how to invest money properly [1:04:54] and I've been a governor [1:04:55] they know that person has this tragedy [1:04:57] and look at the government [1:04:58] look at the president [1:04:59] they are doing well all over the world [1:05:00] look at the background [1:05:02] from Widodo [1:05:03] to Moody [1:05:05] you could see [1:05:06] they're coming from a background [1:05:07] where they have not [1:05:09] if you have not created wealth [1:05:10] you can't manage wealth [1:05:12] you don't just jump into wealth one day [1:05:14] it's shown all over the world [1:05:15] all lottery winners went bankrupt [1:05:17] they know all but [1:05:21] most of them [1:05:22] because they cut money [1:05:23] but if they are due to it [1:05:25] they will know [1:05:26] Shehu [1:05:27] I'm saying [1:05:28] I will change this [1:05:30] I know what banks will capitalise [1:05:34] the change you see in the north [1:05:36] will shock you [1:05:37] what you see there [1:05:38] will shock you [1:05:39] and the north will learn [1:05:41] we need to build trust in governance [1:05:43] we need to believe our leaders [1:05:45] that's why you're asking me today [1:05:46] will you do four years [1:05:48] will you do anything that is agreed to [1:05:52] a leader is supposed to be [1:05:54] an exemplary people [1:05:55] people can emulate [1:05:56] people can see it [1:05:58] Shehu [1:05:59] everything I've preached [1:06:00] I've lived in it [1:06:01] for years [1:06:02] you've not known me [1:06:03] for several years [1:06:04] I was governor as this [1:06:05] Shehu [1:06:06] there's nothing I've preached [1:06:07] that hasn't changed [1:06:08] when I came to Alambra State [1:06:09] I said [1:06:10] I will not take a couple [1:06:11] of Alambra State money [1:06:12] that I'm not entitled [1:06:13] they said [1:06:14] hey what is he talking [1:06:15] they said [1:06:16] when I said [1:06:17] I won't have office offensive [1:06:18] they said [1:06:19] when I said [1:06:20] I won't have lunch [1:06:21] they said [1:06:22] but Shehu [1:06:23] they all happened [1:06:24] because you're a leader [1:06:25] people must trust you [1:06:27] you must do the right things [1:06:28] children are learning from you [1:06:29] they must emulate you [1:06:31] and that's what is important [1:06:33] it's not just about [1:06:34] doing this [1:06:35] no [1:06:36] Shehu [1:06:38] we'll focus on the critical areas of development [1:06:40] and showing so by character [1:06:43] by behavior [1:06:44] examples [1:06:45] people can emulate daily [1:06:47] daily [1:06:49] for me [1:06:50] as a rapper [1:06:51] the conversation [1:06:52] around your capacity [1:06:53] and the alternative [1:06:54] that you bring to the table [1:06:55] so the president of the day says [1:06:58] he's doing all in his capacity [1:07:00] to change Nigeria [1:07:02] and that [1:07:03] it's momentary pain [1:07:05] and we'll see the gains [1:07:07] do you think you are better [1:07:08] than the man [1:07:09] that he aims of [1:07:10] he doesn't have the competence [1:07:12] and the capacity [1:07:13] even the compassion [1:07:15] I told you [1:07:16] at the beginning [1:07:17] he doesn't have the compassion [1:07:19] at all [1:07:20] if he has [1:07:21] look at the number of people [1:07:23] being killed everyday [1:07:24] he'll be sleepless [1:07:25] he won't go anywhere [1:07:26] I just showed you an example [1:07:28] of what happened in Ibado [1:07:29] he was going home for Christmas [1:07:31] and we lost children in Ibado [1:07:33] and he has a free plane [1:07:36] which can go via Ibado [1:07:37] for just 3-4 hours [1:07:39] and he continues [1:07:40] so it's very simple [1:07:43] so you are better than him [1:07:46] of course [1:07:47] yes [1:07:48] in all [1:07:49] by capacity [1:07:50] by understanding [1:07:51] and competence [1:07:52] you don't need to be told [1:07:53] I don't want to talk about capacity [1:07:55] because you know [1:07:56] Mr. Peter Obi [1:07:58] it's a pleasure talking to you [1:07:59] thank you so much [1:08:00] and I wish you the very best [1:08:01] in the coming days [1:08:02] thank you sir [1:08:03] all the best [1:08:04] thank you