FULL INTERVIEW: Gov. Newsom Launches Fierce Attack on Trump, Talks U.S. Democracy, Future, AI — AC1N

[0:01] how are you good good good to be with you great to be with you well maybe we should just start [0:10] fresh here start fresh unbelievable redistricting is still fresh on my mind great [0:16] fresh on everybody's mind it is remarkable uh what the supreme court just did i mean [0:22] no other way to describe it except jim crow 2.0 what governor landry did was even more [0:29] alarming in this respect he declared an emergency and suspended an election that [0:35] already had been conducted at least for 42 000 people overseas in the military literally suspended [0:41] the election so he can redistrict out african-american representation that happened in 2026 [0:49] in the united states of america what happened in tennessee what's going on in all of these other [0:54] southern states so you know my state of mind is very much on this unfinished work that we have in [1:01] front of us as it relates to redistricting waking people up uh from the summer this sort of you [1:07] know shock and awe this overwhelmed every day being overwhelmed by another headline and another [1:13] distraction uh but what lies underneath in terms of what's holding up our democracy is in real peril [1:19] right now speaking of peril uh we hear we just have the news just uh just in the last day or so [1:29] that the trump administration settled with itself essentially trump's treasury department made it [1:39] negotiated with trump himself yeah over a 10 billion dollar frivolous lawsuit yeah to give a 1.8 billion [1:50] dollar taxpayer funded fund i would just call it a slash fund that will pay out to his allies who [2:01] were involved in the insurrection so just penny for your thoughts on that topic well it's exactly why [2:09] the our founding fathers lived and died i mean it's a hell of a thing the 250th anniversary where literally [2:16] this declaration was conceived to stop this kind of corruption this waste and this fraud uh this is [2:23] i mean it's it's it's so alarming 17 by the way not 1.8 uh it's one seven seven six uh jokes on you i [2:33] guess or on all of us this is a corruption story plain and simple trump administration is a corruption [2:40] story it's the great grift and it's taking shape on a daily basis in every way shape form you didn't even [2:45] mention the 230 million dollars at the doj that he's also trying to extract not just that 10 billion [2:50] dollar now 1.8 billion dollar settlement we've talked a lot about the 400 million dollar plan [2:54] which is not 400 million dollars it was over 900 million dollars in the pentagon budget to retrofit [2:59] the plan we talk about the eight large scale projects he has in the gulf and around the rest of [3:05] the globe uh the fact that he quite literally used the tariff regime in order to get those deals done [3:10] particularly the one in vietnam we're talking about the kind of corruption at scale we've never [3:15] seen in our lifetime including what whitcoff family's doing what the kushner family's doing [3:20] uh the board of peace which is really about getting a piece of the middle east all of this happened in [3:26] playing open sight you saw last week and you know the fact that finally he's delivering on the cell phones [3:31] another part of the grip a good old days when it was just about watches hundred thousand dollars [3:36] sneakers sixty dollars uh and cell phones this is happening at a scale we've never experienced in [3:44] our lifetime and he's just winding up and where's congress where's johnson where is thune supine [3:52] completely complicit in all of this graph and all this crush where are institutions also rolling over [3:58] also selling out with respect as you know and i know i've offend people i've got a patriot site which [4:04] in and of itself should be reasonably offensive because it mirrors and mocks a little bit of what [4:09] trump's doing but we sell knee pads and and and by the way the last ones sold out new ones just got [4:17] in but you know they sold out because our universities remember that we're selling out our law firms were [4:23] selling out media is selling out all those settlements you got the corruption is you know what brendan [4:30] carr is doing what he's doing with the tenga deal next star 6.2 billion dollars gonna get 80 percent [4:39] penetration in our household markets the cap was 39 brendan carr said he didn't like the war coverage [4:45] and is considering now investigating certain media outlets this is all happening on our watch society [4:51] becomes how we behave we have agency we have a responsibility it's just like the issue of redistricting [4:59] we could have decided to write an op-ed we could have decided you know you know hold hands have a candlelight [5:07] visual win the argument these guys are ruthless on the other side trump's not screwing around and nor [5:16] can we yeah it's uncomfortable fighting fire with fire yes we all want the better angels yes we want the [5:22] sorkin sound and music little west wing i do but we'll lose our country we will lose our country you saw [5:31] today what is the president united states spending all his time on he had a big press conference about the [5:36] new design for the ballroom the ballroom that he promised would be private in terms of its contribution [5:41] now he's asking a billion dollars of your taxpayers money you saw what happened yesterday with exit [5:47] this is it's in the middle of a war 80 days in the middle of a war so what does the head of the [5:52] pentagon do he goes out there and campaigns in a partisan campaign for someone that didn't do the bidding [5:56] of the president this is happening in real time it's happening on our watch again society becomes [6:02] how we behave for things to change we need to change you need to change we all need to change and call [6:10] this stuff out no none of this normal don't allow it to be normalized do not allow this to be normalized [6:22] it's a corruption story that's the trump administration period full stop uh one of the differences we see [6:32] in our country uh versus other countries you know if you look at or bonds hungary or putin's russia um [6:40] you know we are seeing a public opposition so when you when you talk about what people should do [6:46] in this moment what are you what do you recommend to us well you don't give into the fear of cynicism [6:51] anxiety and fear you realize that you're the antidote to all of that again it's not conditions decisions [6:58] that shape our fate and future you've seen that with the no kings rallies people are showing up [7:03] they're not falling prey to the system you've seen them showing up in statehouse races over 30 have flipped [7:08] from red to blue not one blue to red we're winning people are showing up they're not giving up they [7:15] showed up for proposition 50 was a 9 90 day campaign we raised 118 million dollars we also raised the [7:22] consciousness from that was when you did the introduction was yours i was thinking the back [7:27] the reason people were reticent about that is pulled at 48 when people were talking about it we had to [7:33] shape-shift things again decisions not conditions so we got to turn it up they're trying to rig the [7:42] election donald trump knows he's going to get crushed this november that's why he made the phone call [7:49] to abbott saying he's quote unquote entitled to five seats that should put chill up your spine alone that [7:56] he's entitled to the five seats he didn't expect how he'd respond didn't expect how virginia responded [8:02] but again we saw how their court responded this is hard work and we're seeing how they're responding [8:09] not just landry but we saw within hours how abbott or not abbott but desantis uh responded with an [8:15] exclusive on fox news where the new maps were shown not the democratic process with the transparency [8:23] of the people in virginia but an exclusive with sean henton on fox news these guys are not [8:31] screwing around ask folks down in falton county is trump screwing around trying to go after our [8:37] voting rolls in california he's not screwing around do you think the fair free election you think that's [8:42] realistic with trump this november after all he did on january 6 and now the 1.8 billion dollars [8:49] to take care about this is like what more heaven is we're dumb as we want to be to think you saw what [8:55] happened just on prop forgive me going back to prop 50 but the day of the campaign in los angeles [9:01] donald trump of course sent out on true social the election was rigged he sent out the department [9:06] of justice to oversee all of the corruption that morning he sent out the board tech teams these are [9:14] the border patrol tactical unit teams these are the apache helicopter guys all dressed up in front [9:19] of dodger stadium for the morning news so that our diverse communities wouldn't show up for vote you think [9:25] he's not going to do that again all across this country come on what evidence honestly is there [9:34] of what we're about to face we've got to wake up to this new reality so we have to be dare i say it [9:41] i'm sorry democrats that we have to be as ruthless as our opposition we do we have to win it's all on [9:50] the line you just got to win i'm stunned winning arguments with all due respect to the niceties [9:56] it feels good but we're going to lose our republic again the honey fathers do not live and die for this [10:03] moment i can't celebrate july fourth the best of roman republic and greek democracy co-equal branches [10:12] co-equal branches of government you know popular sovereignty the rule of law not at the time where [10:19] it's the rule of dawn and if it hasn't dawned on you i i remember was spending 90 minutes with trump in [10:26] the oval office and i i think he honestly thought everything was his he was showing me the declaration his [10:33] declaration it's a prize white house a corruption story happening on our watch so speaking of [10:44] fighting uh president trump fights with you a lot as uh as you might notice uh he's also like basically [10:52] waged a 10-year war on blue states and blue cities now here at the center for american progress we do [10:59] care about facts and figures and we know that california has grown to have the fourth largest [11:06] economy in the world um that it is an engine of economic growth but what do you say to people who [11:13] worry about blue state governing well i don't know i mean they were the economic engine of the united [11:19] states blue metros during the biden administration about 71 percent of the gdp in the united states of [11:25] america emanated in blue metros 71 i mean we're the tentpole of the american economy blue states they're [11:38] the many of these red states are donor states i mean and again speaking of state of mind there are also [11:45] states with lower productivity lower wages higher death rates higher deaths of despair um the innovation [11:51] index not even interesting compared other states and they're some of the highest tax states and i [11:57] really want to make this point the most regressive taxes in the united states of america are red states [12:03] they tax poor people more than they do the very rich think about that who's the high tax state florida [12:09] or california texas or california we tax we have the highest tax rate we don't have the highest taxes [12:17] but you fall prey to that many of you the punditry lazy punditry we fall prey we're very happy with [12:24] all the reporters that are here however you do you gotta update your facts by the way [12:30] we we we did update ours you know bloomberg just came out with a piece that should just [12:34] disabuse everyone of this california derangement syndrome the top performing economy of all the [12:42] 49 others the top performing economy of all developed nations since 2019 40 gdp growth we have no peers we [12:51] dominate in every category dominie you talk about manufacturing you're talking about my home state [12:56] you talk to me about forestry jobs and hunting jobs you're talking about my home state you talk about [13:03] venture capital come on 106 billion dollar record-breaking venture capital you talk about [13:09] every category there's not a single single category large-scale economic category where california isn't [13:15] the dominant state we have more engineers more researchers more nobel laureates than any other [13:21] state in the nation and we are the center of the universe we're writing the rules of the future and [13:26] this is why the right hates us it's insecurity it's not our trajectory you talk about fusion you talk [13:35] about quantum talk about ai you're talking about california 32 of the 50 top market cap ai companies [13:43] in our backyard the state of california so all of these areas promise peril you know all of that is [13:52] represented in all of what i just said that mosaic that is california the future happening in california [13:57] often first america's coming attraction including the challenges of affordability housing crisis that [14:04] appeared in our state decades before it's now become not just a trend line but a headline across the [14:10] united states the issues of homelessness poverty relationship to the cost of housing the original [14:16] sin in my state so much of that now dominant in the consciousness and focus uh as we relate to the [14:23] american system today i will get to ai but uh homeless and homelessness and particularly housing costs have [14:29] been high um you've taken some actions on housing uh we at cap uh have been very focused on how to lower [14:36] housing costs looked at a lot of your ideas a lot of synergies there do you want to talk about what [14:41] you've been doing on housing well we've seen a 59 increase in the number of new housing destruction [14:46] since 2019 and a 56 percent reduction in the time uh for permitting and it's still a low bar bar crisis [14:55] um that said we were aided and abetted by he's here ezra klein this abundance mindset which is california [15:03] it's not a scarcity mindset it's always at our best nation as well an abundance mindset and we recognize [15:08] we need the party that builds period full stop the democratic brand should be a party build buildings [15:14] there's one word to define us there's destruction on the other side of institutions and allies and trust [15:20] truth on the other side ours building liberalism that builds and so that's our mindset and we were [15:26] able to carry through with much more aggressive actions again for things to change you have to [15:32] change and so rather than the usual pace of reform that took shape in my state including my first six [15:39] years on housing where we made progress we weren't making a difference and that's when we decided to [15:46] move these historic housing bills into the budget which you don't do and i threatened [15:53] veto the budget unless we got the housing bills done and we were successful in doing so it's the [15:58] mindset we need to take into the future because at the end of the day when you and i were briefly [16:03] talking about this and a moment ago this system's broken it's broken folks 10 of people on two-thirds [16:11] the wealth same 10 of 93 of the value of the stock market 30 year old is not doing better than is [16:19] of her father for the first time in history that is a five alarm fire doesn't work anymore we can't [16:27] tinker anymore you can't play in the margins anymore there's a reason donald trump's in office the reason [16:33] bernie fills stadiums they're both right on the diagnosis and we can't with respect you know you know [16:41] fail more efficiently by managing more effectively the decline doesn't work anymore system has to be [16:48] reimagined it does can't play in the margins tax code is broken i'm sorry no it offends many of you [16:55] it is inheritance codes doesn't work anymore it's why we're having billionaire tax wealth tax debates in [17:02] my own state and all across the united states the pitchforks yeah they're here they're not just coming [17:08] you know and we saw with all the populism and authoritarianism that came from that because of our [17:13] lousy trade deals and that when looking back we're all geniuses but the last 30 years and [17:18] the rise of these authoritarian tendencies in terms of governance you know we ain't seen nothing yet [17:25] because now it's the blue collar worker that sounds a lot like 25 year old white collar workers that i [17:32] see in san francisco they're wondering why they're not getting a call back on a job interview they're [17:39] sounding the same that's a different kind of coalition the white collar and blue collar coalition a lot [17:45] of people a little frustrated on the stepped-up basis where you can just borrow die no tax i mean this is [17:53] you know enough this is not working that's why i raised the minimum wage to 25 for health care [17:59] workers 20 for fast food workers you still have 20 states it's 7.25 an hour and you're subsidizing that [18:06] that's madness and now with these trend lines we've seen ai is going to detonate all of this [18:14] and it's happening in real time and we're not talking about that i know we're talking about hyperscale [18:18] data centers and the utility that's that's interesting but we're missing sorry memo from the west [18:25] coast the world i'm living in absorbed by consumed by something big is happening in the plumbing of [18:30] the world and we still have systems that were designed in 1935 that are no longer viable in 1935 [18:38] you know 25. unemployment insurance you think that's going to work and hold up that doesn't [18:45] work for clerical workers anymore you need employment insurance universal basic income we don't need [18:51] charity we need ownership it's universal basic capital by the way those are the creators telling you that [18:55] not just me that's what sam altman dario and others are saying they're the ones making that point [19:00] and the voters are demanding it gotta have an ownership stake you cannot save democracy unless [19:06] we democratize the economy period it's just simply not going to hold up it's the exact same fight and [19:14] so when i hear people say well you know that newsome guy he's all about resistance we need to focus [19:19] on renewal sure but i think it's the same damn fight and so it's not just about populism about realism [19:27] i don't begrudge other people's success i admire it can't be pro job and anti-business but businesses [19:34] can't thrive in a world that's failing and it's failing i mean you need go fund me page now if you [19:39] have a major medical issue literally i have a friend god is my witness sulaiman yesterday literally [19:43] sent me a go fund me guy has two or three jobs and now go fund me the hell is that you have a health [19:50] care system that's simply not viable you know that you may not like single payer i don't even know how [19:56] the hell to do it in terms of how i get rid of all your private health insurance but it seems [20:00] something's got to give just doesn't add up debt and entitlement seriously energy and climate change [20:07] come on and democracy in this economy so there's these tectonic plates and we've been slow to respond [20:15] all bargain no longer applies my mom talked about 52 paychecks and it required her 104 i feel like those [20:22] are the good old days 104 paychecks so this is this is my mindset as i try to close out the last seven [20:30] months of my administration i'm gonna not running the 90-yard dash and uh and i'm thinking about [20:36] universal basic capital i'm thinking about public equity funds and dividends i'm thinking about [20:41] ownership i'm thinking about what you know you're seeing in places like denmark that do 90 wage [20:46] replacement over a two-year period and scale it down i'm thinking differently about the warn act [20:54] and doing early warning systems for displacement i'm thinking about [20:58] the fact that we're entitled to a transition it's not just a severance in a linkedin post i'm thinking [21:08] very differently about all these things and so we've got an executive order in this space we've got [21:14] a very aggressive effort a series of efforts to pilot at scale some of these approaches to start to deal [21:23] with some of these anxiety deal with the inevitable displacement so just to zero in on ai [21:29] uh as you noted uh california is the home base of ai a lot of the ai companies um in the united [21:37] states right now we have an administration that essentially for the most part is people are on their [21:43] own then in some corners people are basically saying we should try to stop ai which is impossible to do [21:51] as a as a technology so we're also seeing that attitudes towards ai are becoming much more negative [22:00] in part because i think people think they're just going to be off on their own you have a as i [22:06] as i understand you uh eo uh on impacts on the workforce yeah well we look we were the first to [22:14] regulate large language model frontier models the first safety efforts in the united states when people [22:19] say no one's regulating they're wrong they haven't focused on what california did a few years ago but [22:24] kathy hochel to her credit i just modeled the version of what we did in the state but you're right [22:30] trump has just let it rip he has david sachs no longer there but i think by the way they may have [22:37] a little regret my sense is best and others are like okay hold on here when mythos came out yeah [22:44] cyber security issues this is we're in a different space here it's not just about the clerical workers [22:50] which are geographically diffuse so it's really hard to look at white collar displacement at the moment [22:58] but now there's a growing i think consciousness that we need to yes accelerate vis-a-vis china i get [23:04] all that but you've got to steer the technology particularly large language models on the safety [23:11] side transparency and that's what california is trying to lead on has been leading on just as we're [23:18] dealing across the board with you know digital contracts around your likeness your voice your writing [23:25] uh in ownership in that space uh and we'll be very shortly doing 16 and younger on social media [23:31] separate uh but connected issue um but on the workforce side we're just not look if dario's wrong [23:38] an anthropic who says that within the next four and a half years 50 of the entry level white collar [23:45] workers will be just think about it he's wrong by half just consider the consequences of that you saw [23:51] you saw some these are the guys writing the script and they're seen into the future there's a reason [23:58] why peter teal struggled for 17 seconds on a simple question around humanity surviving i mean [24:06] i don't want to be pessimist here i think there'll be a lot of abundance a lot of job creation i think [24:11] there'll be a lot of classes of jobs will be augmented nurses and others and designers uh will be profound [24:16] and consequential uh and i think businesses are going to make a fortune and that's why you cannot continue [24:22] have a payroll tax system that taxes jobs and then subsidizes automation and and so part of the eo is [24:33] on that side we have tax credits for automation and then we burden everyone every time you hire someone [24:39] with the damn payroll tax again the whole system has to be reimagined and we're not i don't think we're [24:44] having those accelerator advanced conversations right now we're still discussing who's going to pay [24:50] for my increased electricity because of the data center which is a legit issue but it's [24:55] not the issue and you're right the tech genie is not going to go back in the bottle just saying [25:01] that you should not or cannot build a data center is not going to slow this technology down what can [25:06] be will be nature of technology and so we just have to steer it and not make the mistakes we made with [25:13] social media but we have to do a scale and scope that we are not prepared for in our national politics [25:19] and that's why states matter states are on the front lines of the rights battle states are the front [25:24] rise the lines of these tectonic changes and that's why governors matter legislatures matter [25:31] that's why our party needs to be bottom up not just top down that's why we got to get away from [25:36] the guy or gal on the white horse to come save the day in 2028 and focus on 2026 and getting speaker [25:45] jeffries the gavel and focus on accountability and trust and then turn the page on a compelling vision [25:53] a journey that we can go together in american people where everybody feels heard and included [25:58] some respects that's the easier part of it as we continue to fight the situational battles of the [26:05] corruption and the rot of our institutions the decay that donald trump continues to promote on an hourly [26:12] and daily basis we're going to go to audience questions so just type in your questions we have [26:17] some already i'll just ask one last question um you're right you're right that states are leading [26:22] in many many directions uh one way states are leading our is in fiscal responsibility uh you just had a [26:31] budget that uh actually uh balances your budget um and addresses structural deficits something we could [26:40] do in the united states um i wonder what you'd say just talk to us about the kind of investing [26:46] investments you've been able to make while balancing your budget but also you know perhaps share some [26:52] thoughts on the deficit at the federal level under trump well look i i don't know maybe i'm a 80s kid [26:59] or something but i was a little alarmed when i saw the debt larger than gdp uh well maybe i'm a little [27:04] old-fashioned you start to do the math i do math all the time i spent two and a half hours in my budget [27:09] presentation we balance not just for this year but next year the year i'm gone i believe you don't have [27:14] to be profligate to be progressive and i'm incredibly proud no other state's done more in child care [27:18] almost half a million uh subsidized slots um i mentioned the work we have done in terms of wages [27:26] not just the issues of cost the work we did with 11 insulin not subsidizing it just lowering the cost [27:32] using our market power to be more competitive in the market place which is a mindset we have universal [27:37] health care we expanded it i know it's you know you don't have to support this but i campaign on it [27:43] and i believe in universal health care and so we delivered it not just on the basis of pre-existing [27:47] condition ability to pay but also on your immigration status otherwise we pay for it in the back end [27:52] in the emergency room we were able to broadly deliver on that we were able to also create a [27:56] brand new grade pre-k for all we created a hundred this is i'm really proud of this now it's 5.5 million [28:04] child baby bonds by the way we didn't name them newsome accounts i was an idiot [28:09] yeah everyone's like wow trump accounts what a great idea i'm like jesus christ [28:16] we 5.5 million of these up to 1500 by the way that's these things and by the way cory booker [28:22] hats off and even ted cruz for being out there promoting this this is those bonds will be i think [28:27] incredibly critical in terms of the ubc framework and the universal basic capital and looking at [28:33] compounding looking at ownership i believe there is a structure there that should be celebrated despite [28:37] the name which needs to change um but we should make sure we institutionalize that but my my our [28:44] whole point is we're forced to balance budgets that's table stakes but i'm also proud we're able [28:49] to do we have a progressive tax system which i embrace and i'll defend i support i promote it [28:55] and i think that's the approach this country needs to face you and i were talking about these four [28:59] or five major tax cuts in the bush and trump and but come on you talk about debt look in the mirror [29:06] cbo is it 3.4 trillion 10 10 years or 4.7 depends on which cbo report i read i mean it's madness it's [29:14] madness we're spending more interest than we are national defense so this is not sustainable [29:21] entitlement issues and again you talk about displacement white collar workers and then start [29:25] to look the entitlement question so debt and entitlement energy climate change i'm sorry i know [29:30] polls at two percent i'll keep talking about it you can have a debate with a thermometer i'm not going to [29:35] and uh you know it's just it's a it's financial risk climate risk it's uninsurable you talk about [29:43] housing you need to talk about climate we're connected so as we build all this back build that [29:50] scaffolding you're right states are on the front lines and uh you know i i think it's why i'm very [29:57] proud of cap and the work you're doing and i'm proud that you continue to remind us um that uh governing [30:03] matters delivering results matter visual results our biggest failure in california was the encampments [30:10] we weren't producing visible results unsheltered homelessness down nine percent but you don't feel [30:17] that first time in two decades visible results results people can see and feel increased wages lower [30:26] costs focus on mobility housing not just wages and radically alter our system of taxation that simply [30:36] is not sustainable our first trillionaires they're coming soon to a headline near you likely in [30:44] a few months with spacex trillionaires i mean plutarch reminded folks wasn't 2 000 years ago 50 a.d [30:55] longer than that the imbalance between the rich and the poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of [31:03] all republics businesses can't thrive in a world that's failing and so we have to fundamentally [31:12] address that structure so we have a question you've been talking about the corruption story of this [31:20] administration but how can we stop corruption in future administrations how can you get political [31:27] politicians to tie their own hands once they've seen what this administration can do yeah there's the old [31:33] adage once a mind is stretched it never goes back to its original form um so i understand that i mean [31:39] seeing this corruption at scale that creates a permission structure and slip but we we we just [31:47] simply can't demand that our institutions need to function again um we need a functioning department [31:53] of justice a functioning irs a functioning fbi not allow them to become power ministries for the dear leader [32:00] which they've become we need to call all of this out we need to hold ourselves to a higher level [32:06] of accountability expectation as well and so uh all of these things um will be at play as we move [32:13] forward and uh and and so it's it's about action it's also about passion i think it was oliver wendell [32:20] holmes said as life is action and passion it's required all of us to share the action and passion of our [32:26] time at peril of being judged not to have lived i think the fight matters a year ago my sense was in this [32:35] country that our path back as democrats weak and ineffective the two bubble words was through the [32:44] center i think there may be some truth to that but i think increasingly i'd argue it's through the fight [32:52] and people want fighters people want people with conviction and clarity not ideologues open argument [32:58] interested in evidence i don't think we are well served by tearing other people down but calling out [33:06] the the villains on a tax code calling out the villains as it relates to monopolization of capital [33:14] and i'm sorry that's a real issue i think we would do very well talking as fdr talked in 1944 [33:25] about a new social combat talking about a floor where no one falls below talking to that blue collar [33:31] white collar worker that are both asking the same question what happens when i do fall will you be there [33:37] to hold me up i think those fundamental truths and values will be part of the comeback for the [33:43] democratic party but that comeback starts with speaker jeffries this november here here time for just [33:55] one more question in light of america's worsening global reputation how should the united states work [34:00] to rebuild trust with our allies and restore confidence in american leadership i saw you at the munich [34:06] security conference where a lot of leaders were asking you leaders from other countries were asking [34:11] those questions as well as i know your remarks at davos yeah i was there because of that america's not [34:19] it's you know just situational leader trump's temporary trump's temporary he is you know i went there [34:27] a little selfishly saying california's permanent yeah uh but we'll get through this and we'll be [34:35] repairing the spirit of father cause my great jesuit priest and i revered uh you know well isaiah we have [34:43] to be repairs of the breach build truth and trust back by showing up open hand not a close fist i [34:50] i think the bar is pretty damn low for the next president uh next secretary of state uh as it relates [34:56] to restoring uh our alliances i know that back to once a minor stretch it never goes back to original [35:01] form but i trump's an invasive species i don't see trump trumpism lasting beyond trump period full stop [35:09] it's a cult of personality with all due respect jd you don't have it and uh so i i just a little more [35:19] damn optimistic as long as we own up to our own complicity we've been too timid it's not about [35:30] tinkering anymore it's not about i doubled the earned income tax credit if i give him that speech [35:35] you're in trouble it's not about retraining and that's this is something different i'm sorry i don't [35:43] know i'm not going all elizabeth or bernie on you or you see maybe i am a little bit you know in terms [35:50] of understanding that we're all trump and trumpism understanding that you know it's it's it's just [35:58] it is remarkable and it's you know and i'll end on this i know we've got to go this the the anxiety [36:08] is manifesting in real despair for people i mean their pessimism is pretty profound and that's you know [36:18] an ai as i say is going to detonate that and so we have to fundamentally understand that and uh and [36:24] that's why as democrats i uh this is not you know you know i'm not here uh for forgiveness but i i get [36:34] why well i was out there stumping for biden and i revere that man and uh we'll have his back to my last [36:41] breath i do um and i'll never regret a day out there but i was you know i was defending the economy's [36:50] booming inflation's cooling you know best jobs market since 1960s lowest unemployment for black [36:55] women and hispanics and talking about industrial policy that's worker centered and the four big you [37:01] know that's but people weren't feeling it and you know trump's making the same damn mistake and it's [37:09] because they weren't experiencing it we don't live in the aggregate we don't and so i'm out there trump [37:15] any 40 gdp growth the fourth largest economy in the world it's like i mean we just said it was really [37:22] good yeah no thank you i appreciate that uh so i i think we we started to buy our own story we started [37:29] taking the wrong lessons from biden's first victory we didn't learn it and so i just i feel like we [37:37] talk about forces of transformation versus the forces of restoration thank you um brownstein for that [37:45] quoting that phrase and that's really the dialectic trump wanting to bring us back to a pre-1960s world [37:51] that's what's happening in real time we saw with lgbtq rights saw women's rights now we're seeing it [37:56] with civil rights and voting rights they want to bring us back to a pre-1960s world censoring historical [38:01] facts rewriting history we need to be the party of transformation and we have to talk in those terms [38:09] but in a way that doesn't alarm people and that that's the balance because change is hard change not [38:18] only has its enemies but change people right now too much change and so that's going to be i think [38:26] the dance and that's the dance that i am here to celebrate with you because cap is one holding that [38:37] dance party and bringing the best and brightest together so we can figure out exactly what new [38:42] ideas will animate a new and fresh conversation in this country thank you thank you so much thank you so [38:49] thank you so much thank you thank you