FULL DEBATE: Gloria Allred vs Larry Elder on Election Integrity, ICE, and More

[0:00] JOINING ME NOW, LIVE ON SET, [0:01] DEMOCRAT GLORIA ALLREAD, A [0:03] VICTIM'S RIGHTS ATTORNEY, AND [0:05] REPUBLICAN LARRY ELDER, AUTHOR [0:07] AND HOST OF THE LARRY ELDER [0:08] SHOW. [0:09] WELCOME BACK TO BOTH OF YOU. [0:10] OUR ORIGINAL PANEL FROM NIGHT [0:12] ONE OF THE STORY IS. [0:13] GOOD TO HAVE YOU GUYS BACK. [0:14] THANK YOU. [0:15] SO, LARRY, SHOULD DHS CUT OFF [0:18] FEDERAL FUNDING FOR STATES THAT [0:20] REFUSE TO COMPLY WITH THE TRUMP [0:21] ADMINISTRATION? [0:22] YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE BUSINESS [0:23] ABOUT ELECTION DENYING, IT'S A [0:26] LITTLE ANNOYING TO ME THAT DONALD [0:27] TRUMP IS ACCUSED OF ENGAGING IN IT, [0:30] WHEN, IN FACT, EVERY REPUBLICAN [0:32] VICTORY SINCE 2000, THE DEMOCRATS [0:34] HAVE CHALLENGED THE ELECTION. [0:35] THEY DID IN 2000, AFTER GEORGE W. [0:38] BUSH WON, ABOUT 12 HOUSE MEMBERS, [0:42] DEMOCRAT HOUSE MEMBERS, CHALLENGED [0:44] FLORIDA DURING THE CERTIFICATION [0:45] PROCEDURE. [0:46] FOUR YEARS LATER, 30 OF THEM [0:47] CHALLENGED OHIO, INCLUDING THE [0:49] SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA, BARBARA [0:51] BOXER, AS DID BENE THOMPSON, WHO [0:53] CHAIRED THE JANUARY 6th [0:54] INSURRECTION COMMITTEE. [0:55] NOT THE PRINCIPLES IN THE ELECTION [0:57] ITSELF. [0:58] AND THEN IN 2016, THEY CHALLENGED [0:59] MORE STATES, DONALD TRUMP DID [1:00] FOUR YEARS LATER IN 2020. [1:01] A POLL HERE AT CNN THAT WAS [1:04] DISCUSSED BY YOUR POLITICS [1:06] EDITOR, CHRIS SALIZZA, SAID 76% [1:08] OF REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THERE WAS [1:10] WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD IN 2020. [1:11] OH, MY GOD, THIS IS TERRIBLE. [1:13] OUR FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTRY IS [1:15] UNDERMINED. [1:16] WELL, 78% OF DEMOCRATS, ACCORDING [1:18] TO GALLOP, BELIEVE THERE WAS [1:19] WIDESPREAD FRAUD IN 2016. [1:21] MY LONG WAY OF SAYING A GREATER [1:23] PERCENTAGE OF DEMOCRATS BELIEVE [1:25] 2016 WAS FRAUDULENT THAN [1:26] REPUBLICANS FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT [1:27] 2020. [1:28] NOBODY CALLS THEM ELECTION [1:29] DENIERS. [1:30] IT'S JUST SO INCREDIBLY, [1:31] INCREDIBLY UNFAIR. [1:32] ONE LAST THING. [1:33] OKAY. [1:34] HILLARY FOR FOUR YEARS, TO [1:35] ANYBODY THAT WOULD LISTEN TO [1:36] HER, INCLUDING A FENCE POST, [1:37] REFERRED TO DONALD TRUMP AS [1:38] ILLEGITIMATE, HER WORD NOT MINE, [1:39] AND SAID THE ELECTION WAS [1:40] STOLEN, HER WORD NOT MINE. [1:41] SHE'S BEEN INTERVIEWED MANY [1:42] TIMES, INCLUDING HERE. [1:43] I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY REFER [1:45] TO HER AS AN ELECTION DENIER. [1:46] BUT, I MEAN, LET'S NOT [1:48] RELITIGATE THAT ELECTION, BUT [1:49] HILLARY CLINTON CONCEEDED THE [1:50] ELECTION, CALLED DONALD TRUMP, [1:51] WENT ON CAMERA, CONCEEDED THE [1:52] ELECTION, SHOWED UP AT HIS [1:55] INAUGURATION TO WISH HIM LUCK, [1:56] AND SHOWED UP AT HIS [1:58] INAUGURATION AGAIN IN 2024. [2:00] AND THEN FOR FOUR YEARS [2:01] REFERRED TO HIM AS ILLEGITIMATE, [2:03] SAID THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. [2:04] BUT IT'S NOT... [2:05] JIMMY CARTER SAID THE [2:06] RUSSIANS PUT IN THERE. [2:07] TRUMP STILL HASN'T CONCEEDED THE [2:10] ELECTION FROM 2020. [2:11] BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT SHE HAS [2:13] QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF RUSSIA, [2:14] BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME [2:15] THING. [2:16] LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S [2:18] HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, [2:19] GLORIA, IN TERMS OF THE [2:20] DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND [2:21] SECURITY. [2:22] LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S [2:23] HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT [2:25] THIS IS A PRECURSOR TO, BECAUSE [2:27] THIS IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. [2:29] THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT PAST [2:31] HISTORY. [2:32] THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT PAST [2:34] HISTORY. [2:35] THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN [2:37] EXPECT IN NOVEMBER. [2:38] HE IS FLASHING A RED NEON, [2:40] FLASHING LIGHT AT US, AND HE IS [2:42] TELLING US WHAT TO EXPECT. [2:44] AND WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER [2:46] IS THAT HE IS GOING TO MAKE [2:49] SURE THAT HIS HOMELAND SECURITY [2:51] PEOPLE TAKE ACTION IN THIS [2:52] ELECTION, WHICH HE EXPECTS TO [2:54] LOSE. [2:55] THAT'S WHY HE IS SO DESPERATE. [2:57] THAT'S WHY HE IS SO DESPERATE [2:59] TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS HOMELAND [3:01] SECURITY PEOPLE TAKE ACTION IN [3:02] THIS ELECTION, WHICH HE [3:03] DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD ARGUMENT [3:05] TO WIN. [3:06] HE KNOWS HE HAS LOST THAT [3:08] ARGUMENT OF APPROVAL WITH THE [3:09] AMERICAN PEOPLE. [3:10] SO WHAT HE IS DOING IS SAYING [3:12] IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, IF YOU [3:14] DON'T GIVE VOTER SENSITIVE [3:15] INFORMATION, WHICH BY THE [3:16] WAY, A COURT RECENTLY SAID [3:18] GEORGIA DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE. [3:20] AND IF YOU DON'T DO THIS AND YOU [3:22] DON'T DO THAT, THEN OFFICIALS IN [3:23] THE ELECTION COULD BE POSSIBLY [3:25] PROSECUTED, COULD BE SENT TO [3:27] PRISON. [3:28] HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. [3:29] THIS IS DANGEROUS. [3:30] AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO [3:32] HAVE PROTESTS. [3:33] HE IS GOING TO TRY TO PROVOKE [3:35] DEMOCRATS. [3:36] HE IS GOING TO TRY TO PROVOKE [3:39] DEMOCRATS. [3:40] HE IS GOING TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY [3:42] NOT, BUT MAYBE HE IS GOING TO [3:43] DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND SAY WE [3:45] CAN'T HAVE A FULL AND FAIR [3:46] ELECTION. [3:47] HE MAY SEIZE THE BALLOTS. [3:49] AND HE HAS SAID THAT, THAT HE [3:51] MAY HAVE TO SEIZE BALLOTS. [3:53] HE'S TRIED TO SEIZE THE BALLOTS. [3:56] HE'S TRIED TO SEIZE THE BALLOTS. [3:58] HE'S TRIED TO SEIZE THE BALLOTS [4:01] IN GEORGIA AND ELSEWHERE. [4:03] SO THIS IS A DANGEROUS TIME AND [4:07] WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. [4:08] THE ONLY REAL MEANINGFUL ACTION [4:10] IS GOING TO BE HAVING [4:12] OVERWHELMING VOTES FOR DEMOCRATS [4:14] IN NOVEMBER. [4:15] DONALD TRUMP LIKES TO CALL [4:17] TOO BIG TO RIG WHAT HE SAID [4:18] LAST TIME AROUND. [4:19] BUT YOUR THOUGHT. [4:20] YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEADS. [4:21] THERE'S A REAL EASY WAY TO [4:23] DEAL WITH THIS. [4:24] LET'S GO BACK TO IN-PERSON [4:26] VOTING. [4:27] SHOW AN I.D., PAPER BALLOTS. [4:29] IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE [4:31] YOU'RE SICK OR BECAUSE YOU'RE [4:32] ON VACATION OR BECAUSE YOU'RE [4:33] IN THE MILITARY, THOSE ARE [4:34] EXCEPTIONS. [4:35] THAT'S HOW IT WAS WHEN I WAS A [4:36] KID. [4:37] SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY, PEOPLE WERE [4:38] ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OF [4:39] LEAVING WORK AND VOTING IN [4:40] PERSON ON THE SAME DAY INSTEAD [4:41] OF HAVING VOTING SEASON. [4:43] IT'S RIDICULOUS. [4:44] THAT'S WHAT'S UNDERMINING [4:45] CONFIDENCE. [4:46] AND EVEN BLACKS AND [4:47] INDEPENDENTS, REPUBLICANS, [4:48] DEMOCRATS ALL OVERWHELMINGLY [4:50] SUPPORT PHOTO I.D. [4:51] TO VOTE. [4:52] WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? [4:53] OKAY. [4:54] WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU TALK [4:55] ABOUT MAIL-IN BALLOTS AND [4:56] SOMEHOW THAT THAT'S WRONG. [4:58] WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE IN RURAL [4:59] AREAS? [5:00] YOU DIDN'T MENTION THEM. [5:01] A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT CLOSE [5:03] TO WHERE THE ELECTION [5:04] HEADQUARTERS ARE. [5:05] HOW DID THEY VOTE BEFORE? [5:06] HOW DID IT HAPPEN? [5:07] THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE HAVE TO [5:09] RULE OUT A CERTAIN CLASS OF [5:11] VOTES AND VOTERS BECAUSE DONALD [5:13] TRUMP IS AFRAID OF LOSING THE [5:14] ELECTION. [5:15] REPUBLICANS ARE AFRAID OF [5:16] LOSING IT. [5:17] IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. [5:18] COURTS ARE NOT GOING TO LET [5:20] IT HAPPEN, LARRY. [5:21] YOU MAY WISH TO HAVE IT THE [5:23] WAY IT WAS WHEN YOU WERE A [5:25] KID. [5:26] BUT THIS IS 2026. [5:27] WHAT DO YOU SAY THE [5:29] ARGUMENT THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE [5:31] ABLE TO VOTE, IT'S NOT GOING [5:33] TO HAPPEN. [5:34] MORE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO VOTE. [5:37] IT'S EXPANDED OPPORTUNITIES FOR [5:38] PEOPLE. [5:39] IT'S MORE CONVENIENT AND WHEN [5:40] PEOPLE HAVE THE CHOICE BETWEEN [5:41] THE TWO, MOST PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING [5:42] BOTH MAIL-IN BALLOTS. [5:43] IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT [5:44] ELECTION INTEGRITY AND YOU DON'T [5:46] LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE HAVING [5:47] THINGS LIKE BALLOT HARVESTING [5:48] WHERE YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY ELSE'S [5:49] BALLOT AND TURN IT IN AND TURN [5:51] IT IN SO DAYS AFTER THE [5:52] ELECTION. [5:53] LET'S JUST GO BACK TO THE WAY IT [5:54] USED TO BE. [5:55] YOU CAN'T TURN IT IN DAYS [5:56] OF THE ELECTION. [5:57] THAT IS NOT LEGAL. [5:58] YOU CAN MAIL IT IN AND HAVE IT [6:00] COUNTED LATER BUT NOT TURN IT IN [6:01] YOUR RIGHT. [6:02] IT'S GOT TO BE POSTMARK BY THE [6:04] DAYS OF THE ELECTION. [6:05] IT'S RIDICULOUS. [6:06] BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE [6:08] SORT OF REACTION TO THE SPEECH [6:09] HAS BEEN INTERESTING AS WELL. [6:10] THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS THIS [6:12] HEADLINE IN THEIR PAPER. [6:13] SHOCKING. [6:14] WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW IN [6:16] TOUCH THEY ARE WITH THE [6:17] BASE BUT THEY ARE SUGGESTING THAT [6:20] IT, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF WENT IN. [6:23] TRUMP'S ELECTION CLAIMS LAND WITH [6:25] A WHIMPER AMONG REPUBLICANS. [6:26] AND A COUPLE OF REPUBLICANS WHO [6:28] ARE NOT GOING TO BE BACK IN THE [6:30] SENATE SOON, JOHN CORNYN AND [6:32] BILL CASSIDY SAID THIS ABOUT THE [6:34] SPEECH TODAY. [6:43] I DON'T UNDERSTAND TALKING [6:45] ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED SIX YEARS [6:47] AGO IN LIGHT OF THESE UPCOMING [6:49] ELECTIONS. [6:50] AS A REPUBLICAN, MY CONCERN [6:52] IS THAT IT'S SETTING UP A [6:54] SETTING UP A LITTLE BIT OF [6:56] REPUBLICANS. [6:57] WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT [6:58] MATTERS TO THE PEOPLE AROUND THE [6:59] KITCHEN TABLE. [7:00] RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T AFFORD THEIR [7:01] HEALTHCARE, THEIR HOUSING, THEIR [7:04] GROCERIES OR THE GASOLINE. [7:05] WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH WHAT HE [7:06] SAID OR NOT, LARRY, DO YOU THINK [7:08] IT WAS GOOD POLITICS TO MAKE THIS [7:10] A CENTERPIECE RIGHT NOW? [7:11] DOES IT MAKE SENSE? [7:12] AND WHY DO YOU THINK MORE [7:14] REPUBLICANS DIDN'T LATCH ON TO [7:15] THIS MESSAGING TODAY? [7:16] REGARDING MR. CASSIDY AND THE [7:19] OTHER SENATOR, THEY ARE BOTH [7:20] SERVING FOR DONALD TRUMP. [7:21] THEY ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE [7:22] SERVING AND THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT [7:24] HEARTBURNED OVER WHAT DONALD TRUMP [7:25] DID TO THEM. [7:26] SO I WOULDN'T PUT A WHOLE LOT OF [7:27] STORE ON WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. [7:28] AS FAR AS THE SPEECH IS CONCERNED [7:29] LAST NIGHT, FRANKLY, I EXPECTED [7:30] TO HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT IRAN [7:31] AND A LOT MORE ABOUT [7:32] AFFORDABILITY THAN ABOUT THE [7:33] ELECTION DENIAL, WHICH IS WHY I [7:35] THINK IT WAS SO UNFAIR, ABC, NBC [7:37] AND TO BE FAIR, YOUR NETWORK [7:40] DIDN'T SHOW THE SPEECH. [7:41] YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS [7:42] GOING TO SAY AND WE ARE IN [7:43] AHEAD OF TIME. [7:44] SO HOW DO YOU NOT ALLOW A [7:46] SITTING PRESIDENT, COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF [7:47] DURING A WAR NOT TO AIR HIS [7:49] SPEECH WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT [7:50] HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT? [7:51] IT'S NOT JUST HIS SPEECH. [7:52] IT'S A BUNCH OF LIES. [7:53] LET ME FINISH. [7:54] HE SAID NOTHING ABOUT IRAN. [7:55] THAT'S THE PROBLEM. [7:56] YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT AHEAD OF [7:57] TIME. [7:58] THE PROBLEM IS SO MUCH OF WHAT [7:59] HE SAID WERE LIES. [8:00] LET THE PEOPLE DETERMINE IF [8:01] HE'S LYING. [8:02] HERE'S THE THING. [8:03] LET THE VIEWER DETERMINE IF [8:04] HE'S LYING. [8:05] THE PEOPLE CAN DETERMINE IT [8:06] BECAUSE THERE ARE NO FACTS. [8:08] THERE'S NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING [8:10] MANY OF HIS ALLEGATIONS. [8:11] FINE. [8:12] SO AIR THE SPEECH AND FACT [8:13] CHECK IT LATER. [8:14] WAIT A SECOND. [8:15] WAIT A SECOND. [8:16] HIS OWN CIA CHIEF, JOHN [8:18] RATCLIFFE, HE ISSUED A REPORT [8:21] AND NOWHERE WAS THERE EVIDENCE [8:23] THAT WAS ACTUALLY ELECTION [8:25] INTERFERENCE BY FOREIGN [8:27] COUNTRIES. [8:28] THERE WAS ELECTION INFLUENCE. [8:30] THEY TRIED TO INFLUENCE IT. [8:32] BUT NO INTERFERENCE IN THE [8:34] ELECTION. [8:35] THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THAT [8:37] WAS. [8:38] ALL OF THESE FIGURES ABOUT, OH, [8:41] THESE UNLAWFUL IMMIGRANTS [8:43] VOTED, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT [8:45] THAT'S ANY MAJOR CONCERN OR THAT [8:47] THAT WAS IN ANY PAST ELECTION. [8:49] SO I KNOW FACTS ARE INCONVENIENT [8:51] THINGS FOR YOU, LARRY, AND FOR [8:52] REPUBLICANS, BUT THERE ARE NO [8:54] FACTS THAT SUPPORT THESE [8:55] OUTRAGEOUS CRAZY CLAIMS MADE [8:56] LAST NIGHT. [8:57] YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE WAS [8:58] INTERFERENCE. [8:59] WE KNOW THE CHINESE INTERFERED. [9:00] WE KNOW THE RUSSIANS [9:01] INTERFERED. [9:02] WHETHER IT HAD AN EFFECT ON THE [9:03] ELECTION. [9:05] IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. [9:06] AND IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT [9:07] QUESTION. [9:08] WAS THERE ANY IMPACT ON THE [9:09] ELECTION? [9:10] THE ANSWER IS RESOURCING. [9:11] NO. [9:12] AND NO. [9:13] I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GET [9:14] INTO THIS, GLORIA, BUT J. [9:16] JOHNSON, OBAMA'S DHS SECRETARY, [9:17] TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT THE [9:18] RUSSIANS ATTEMPTED TO CHANGE [9:19] VOTE TALLIES. [9:20] FAILED TO CHANGE A SINGLE ONE. [9:22] TWO-THIRDS OF DEMOCRATS, ACCORDING [9:25] TO A YOUGOV POLL, BELIEVE THAT [9:26] THE RUSSIANS QUOTE CHANGE VOTE [9:27] TALLIES TO ELECT DONALD TRUMP IN [9:28] 2016. [9:29] THAT MEANS TWO-THIRDS OF [9:31] DEMOCRATS ARE 2016 ELECTION [9:32] DENIERS. [9:33] I'VE NEVER HEARD A DISCUSSION [9:34] ABOUT ANY OF THAT. [9:35] WELL, BECAUSE, FRANKLY, I [9:37] DON'T CARE WHO'S DENYING WHAT. [9:38] I CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO [9:39] HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. [9:40] THAT'S THE KEY. [9:41] YOU HAVE SELECTIVE [9:42] OUTRAGE. [9:43] IT JUST HAPPENED ON CNN THANKS [9:44] TO YOU. [9:45] YOU GOT IT. [9:46] SO THERE WE GO. [9:47] TWO-THIRDS. [9:48] COME ON. [9:49] WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO TALK [9:50] ABOUT WHICH IS WHY WE'RE GOING [9:51] TO BRING YOU BACK IN THE NEXT [9:52] HOUR. [9:53] WONDERFUL. [9:54] TO GET INTO WHAT'S [9:55] HAPPENING. [9:56] IN HER REPUBLICAN RED. [9:57] IT'S HER BIRTHDAY TODAY. [9:58] WELL, IT'S NOT HER BIRTHDAY [9:59] TODAY, BUT IT'S HER BIRTHDAY [10:00] RECENTLY. [10:01] AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT. [10:02] AND IT'S NOT REPUBLICAN RED. [10:04] IT'S POWER RED. [10:05] IS IT WORKING TO INTIMIDATE YOU? [10:07] I CERTAINLY HOPE SO, LARRY. [10:13] SHE SAID, AND SHE'S LOOKING [10:14] INCREDIBLE FOR 85. [10:15] YES. [10:16] HAPPY BIRTHDAY. [10:17] THANK YOU. [10:18] MAYBE I CAN'T BE PRESIDENT, BUT [10:20] I CAN STILL BE ON ALEX AS THE [10:21] ISSUE IS. [10:22] OKAY. [10:23] STORY AS AND THE ISSUE IS. [10:24] WE DO THEM ALL. [10:25] ALL RIGHT. [10:26] DO YOU THINK THAT ICE HAS A [10:27] TRANSPARENCY PROBLEM? [10:28] DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE A PUBLIC [10:30] TRUST PROBLEM? [10:31] THEY DEFINITELY HAVE BOTH A [10:34] TRANSPARENCY AND A TRUST [10:36] PROBLEM. [10:37] AND THE PROBLEM OF NOT ADEQUATELY [10:40] IN SOME CASES, TRAINING AND [10:43] VETTING THOSE PEOPLE WHO BECOME [10:46] ICE AGENTS. [10:47] SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MAINE WHERE [10:50] MR. GUERRERO WAS JUST SHOT AND [10:53] KILLED. [10:54] NOW THERE ARE TWO EX-WIVES OF THE [10:58] ICE AGENT WHO ALLEGEDLY KILLED [11:00] HIM WHO ARE SAYING THAT THIS ICE [11:04] AGENT ADMITTED TO THEM THAT HE [11:07] KILLED THE MAN AND THAT THEY KNOW [11:12] OR THEY ARE ALLEGING THAT HE HAS [11:14] HAD A MENTAL HEALTH HISTORY SINCE [11:16] CHILDHOOD AND A HISTORY OF [11:18] VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. [11:20] ONE OF THEM EVEN ALLEGES THAT HE [11:22] THREW THEIR 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER [11:24] INTO A GLASS TABLE THAT SHE SOUGHT [11:27] A PROTECTIVE ORDER. [11:28] AND THIS IS REALLY A BIG PROBLEM. [11:31] THOSE ARE JUST ALLEGATIONS. [11:32] YES. [11:33] AND THAT'S WHAT SHE ALLEGES. [11:34] YEAH. [11:35] AND THERE'S NO COMMENT FROM HIM [11:38] IN RESPONSE OR FROM ICE, OF [11:40] COURSE. [11:41] BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A [11:43] PROBLEM WITHIN ICE AND THERE'S A [11:46] RUSH TO GET A CERTAIN QUOTA FOR [11:49] THE PRESIDENT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE [11:52] BEING ARRESTED AND DETAINED. [11:53] BUT IT'S LEADING TO THE DEATH OF [11:55] A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AS [11:57] WELL. [11:58] SO, YEAH, THERE'S A PROBLEM. [12:00] AND THEY ALSO ARE NOT OFTEN, THE [12:03] FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT OFTEN [12:05] REALLY COOPERATING WITH THE [12:06] DISTRICT ATTORNEYS WHO ARE [12:07] TRYING TO GET TO THE HEART OF [12:08] THIS. [12:09] AND IT TOOK SIX MONTHS FOR THE [12:11] FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO FINALLY [12:12] GIVE THE RESULTS OF THEIR [12:14] INVESTIGATION, SO-CALLED [12:15] INVESTIGATION TO THE DISTRICT [12:17] ATTORNEY IN MINNESOTA OVER THE [12:20] DEATHS OF RENE GOOD AND ALEX [12:22] PETTY. [12:23] MAY THEY REST IN PEACE. [12:24] LARRY, IS THERE A TRUST [12:25] PROBLEM? [12:26] WELL, NOT TOO SURPRISINGLY, [12:28] ALEX AND GLORIA, I SEE IT [12:29] SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY. [12:30] THERE IS A PROBLEM. [12:31] THE PROBLEM IS THAT FOR FOUR [12:32] YEARS WE'VE HAD AN OPEN SOUTHERN [12:34] BORDER AND A MINIMUM OF 10 [12:36] MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS CAME TO [12:37] THE COUNTRY, SOME OF WHOM WERE [12:38] ON THE TERROR WATCH LIST, SOME [12:39] OF WHOM WERE CONVICTED OF [12:40] HOMICIDE IN THEIR OWN [12:41] COUNTRIES. [12:42] IF YOU GO ON THE HOMELAND [12:43] SECURITY WEBSITE, THEY UPDATE [12:45] IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. [12:46] THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE [12:47] THAT THEY'VE ARRESTED AND [12:48] DEPORTED. [12:49] THESE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE [12:51] THAT HOMELAND SECURITY IS [12:52] TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE [12:53] COUNTRY. [12:54] AND ONE MORE THING, IN 2011 [12:56] THERE WAS A FRONTLINE [12:58] DOCUMENTARY CALLED LOST IN [12:59] DETENTION ABOUT THE ILLEGAL [13:00] ALIENS THAT WERE BEING [13:02] ARRESTED AND DEPORTED UNDER [13:04] THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, ONE [13:05] OF WHOM WAS A WOMAN WHO MADE [13:07] AN ILLEGAL LANE CHANGE. [13:08] SHE ENDED UP BEING DEPORTED. [13:09] NOBODY IN THE STREETS, NOBODY [13:11] YELLING, NOBODY CALLING [13:12] THEM FASCISTS AND NAZIS, AND [13:13] OBAMA DID NOT HAVE TO DEAL [13:14] WITH FOUR YEARS OF THE [13:15] BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S OPEN [13:17] BORDER. [13:18] SO LET'S HAVE A LITTLE BIT [13:19] OF PERSPECTIVE. [13:20] SOME OF THE LEFT DID [13:21] CRITICIZE BARACK OBAMA. [13:22] THEY CALL HIM THE DEPORTER IN [13:23] CHIEF. [13:24] AND THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. [13:25] BY THE WAY, 30 PERCENT OR SO [13:26] OF THE ICE AGENTS ARE, QUOTE, [13:27] PEOPLE OF COLOR, AS ARE ABOUT [13:28] HALF OF THE BORDER PATROL [13:29] AGENTS ARE HISPANIC. [13:30] SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH [13:31] FAMILIES AND THEY'RE TRYING [13:32] TO MAKE A LIVING. [13:33] AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE [13:34] THEM A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE. [13:35] THEY HAVE A VERY, VERY [13:36] DIFFICULT JOB UNDER DIFFICULT [13:37] CIRCUMSTANCES. [13:38] WELL, I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD [13:39] DO IS GIVE GRACE TO THE [13:40] AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE [13:42] BEING SHOT AND KILLED AND [13:43] ALSO TO THE INNOCENT PEOPLE [13:45] WHO ARE BEING SHOT AND KILLED [13:47] WHO MAY NOT BE AMERICAN [13:48] CITIZENS. [13:49] WE DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY [13:50] WERE INNOCENT PEOPLE. [13:51] WE DON'T KNOW. [13:52] WE KNOW THAT SOME WERE NOT [13:54] TARGETS OF ICE AND WERE [13:56] MISTAKENLY SHOT AND KILLED. [13:57] WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY [13:58] DID. [13:59] PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE, [14:00] LARRY, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW [14:01] WHAT HAPPENED. [14:02] BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT BODY CAM [14:04] FOOTAGE THAT WAS THERE, EVEN [14:05] THOUGH THEY SPENT A LOT OF [14:07] MONEY TO TRY TO GET BODY CAMS [14:08] OUT THERE. [14:09] AND SO, AND IN THE PAST, ICE [14:12] HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN A [14:13] RELIABLE NARRATOR. [14:14] EXACTLY. [14:15] BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN [14:16] MINNESOTA, THE INITIAL [14:17] ACCOUNTS THAT CAME OUT WERE [14:19] PROVEN FROM VIDEO TO BE [14:20] INACCURATE. [14:21] RIGHT. [14:22] SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE [14:24] INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SHOT [14:25] DID ANYTHING WRONG OR IF [14:26] THEY DIDN'T. [14:27] AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S BEEN [14:29] FRUSTRATING IS THAT WE DON'T [14:30] HAVE MORE INFORMATION. [14:31] RIGHT. [14:32] AND YOU JUST NOW SAID ABOUT THE [14:33] ONE THAT HAPPENED IN THE [14:34] AIRPORT. [14:35] YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED [14:36] BEFORE OR AFTER. [14:37] WE DON'T. [14:38] AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT. [14:39] THEY'RE ALL UNDER [14:40] INVESTIGATION. [14:41] LET'S GIVE THE INVESTIGATION [14:42] SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH. [14:43] YOU KNOW, I FEEL THE SAME WAY [14:44] ABOUT THE POLICE OFFICERS. [14:45] THERE ARE 50 MILLION [14:46] INTERACTIONS WITH THE POLICE [14:47] EVERY SINGLE YEAR. [14:48] 50 MILLION. [14:49] 10 MILLION ARRESTS. [14:50] 1,000 PEOPLE ARE KILLED. [14:52] MOST OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE [14:53] THAT WERE RESISTING [14:54] VIOLENTLY WITH A WEAPON. [14:55] SO LET'S JUST DEAL WITH [14:56] THESE KINDS OF THINGS ON A [14:57] CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. [14:58] MOST OF THEM ARE DOING A VERY [14:59] GOOD JOB UNDER VERY DIFFICULT [15:01] CIRCUMSTANCES. [15:02] OVERWHELMINGLY TRUE. [15:04] WELL, YEAH. [15:05] BUT LET'S FACE IT. [15:06] WE DESERVE TRANSPARENCY. [15:08] AND YOU POINTED THAT OUT [15:09] EARLIER. [15:10] AND IT'S A PROBLEM. [15:11] WE DESERVE TRANSPARENCY WHEN [15:13] POLICE SHOOT AND KILL SOMEONE. [15:16] AND OFTEN WE GET IT. [15:18] WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT SAME [15:20] KIND OF TRANSPARENCY FROM ICE. [15:21] THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T TRUST THEM. [15:24] THE TRUTH IS BODY CAMS OFTEN [15:26] HELP THE COPS MORE THAN IT HELPS [15:27] THE VICTIMS. [15:28] NO QUESTION. [15:29] A LOT OF THE NARRATIVES THAT [15:31] ARE SOMETIMES SAID ABOUT COPS [15:32] ARE INACCURATE. [15:33] NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. [15:34] AND WHEN THEY HAVE THAT, [15:35] THEY'RE OUT THERE. [15:36] HERE'S WHAT MARK WAYNE MULLEN [15:38] HAD TO SAY ABOUT THIS CONCEPT [15:40] OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN ICE RIGHT [15:43] NOW. [15:44] LET ME CLARIFY. [15:45] WHEN I SAY TURN DOWN THE [15:46] TEMPERATURE, WHEN I TURN DOWN [15:47] THE TEMPERATURE WITH YOU GUYS, [15:48] WE'RE TURNING UP THE HEAT ON [15:49] THE STREETS. [15:50] WE'RE OUT THERE WORKING HARDER [15:53] THAN WE EVER HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE [15:55] EMPOWERED OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO [15:57] DO THEIR JOB. [15:58] WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS REMOVE [16:00] US FROM THE HEADLINES EVERY [16:01] SINGLE DAY. [16:02] BUT EVERYBODY WILL BE HELD [16:03] ACCOUNTABLE. [16:04] I DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH [16:06] LAWS I'M GOING TO ENFORCE. [16:08] I ENFORCE OUR NATION'S LAWS. [16:10] THAT MEANS I'LL ENFORCE IT WITH [16:12] OUR OWN AGENCY AND I'LL FORCE [16:13] IT WITH THE CRIMINALS ON THE [16:14] STREETS. [16:15] I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT [16:17] THAT. [16:18] IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT [16:20] APPROACH THAN CHRISTIE NOEM IN [16:21] TERMS OF BEING AS IN YOUR FACE [16:23] AS SHE WAS AND GREG BIVINO WAS. [16:25] BUT TO LARRY'S POINT, THE BIDEN [16:27] ADMINISTRATION DID ALLOW IN [16:28] MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. [16:29] WE DO NOT KNOW THAT MUCH [16:30] INFORMATION ABOUT A LOT OF THEM [16:31] AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE [16:33] CRIMINALS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN [16:34] OUT OF THE COUNTRY. [16:35] ISN'T THERE A ROLE FOR ICE IN [16:37] DOING THAT? [16:39] THERE'S A ROLE FOR ICE ACTING [16:41] UNDER THE LAW AND NOT ACTING IN [16:44] A RANDOM MATTER AND SHOOTING AT [16:46] CARS. [16:47] WE GOT PEOPLE IN MASKS SOMETIMES [16:49] NOT EVEN IDENTIFIED AS ICE [16:51] OFFICERS IN UNMARKED CARS IN [16:53] WHITE VANS FOLLOWING OTHER CARS. [16:55] WHO KNOWS IF THEY ARE ICE? [16:57] WHO KNOWS IF THEY ARE JUST [16:59] PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KIDNAP AND [17:01] THEY ARE GANGS WHO ARE TAKING [17:03] PEOPLE FROM THEIR CARS. [17:05] UNDER COVER AND SUGGESTING THAT [17:07] MAYBE THEY ARE ICE WHEN THEY ARE [17:08] NOT. [17:09] WE HAVE TO GET TRUST BUILT IN [17:13] THIS COUNTRY AND WE CAN'T HAVE [17:15] TRUST WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING [17:17] AROUND IN MASKS. [17:18] WHY? [17:19] POLICE DON'T WALK AROUND IN [17:20] MASKS. [17:21] SHERIFFS DON'T WALK AROUND IN [17:22] MASKS. [17:23] WHY DOES ICE HAVE TO WALK AROUND [17:24] IN MASKS? [17:25] THEY SAY THEY ARE DOXED. [17:27] THEY DON'T WANT THEIR [17:28] FAMILIES HARASSED. [17:29] NEITHER DO POLICE OFFICERS [17:31] WANT THEIR FAMILIES HARASSED. [17:32] THEY DON'T WEAR MASKS. [17:33] THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE [17:35] ATTACKING ICE HAS GONE UP [17:37] SUBSTANTIALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE [17:38] BEEN VILLAINIZED. [17:39] THAT'S WHY THEY ARE WEARING THE [17:40] MASKS. [17:41] WE SEE WHEN ICE HAVE MOVED INTO [17:43] PLACES PEOPLE ARE STANDING [17:44] THERE PROTESTING OUTSIDE THEIR [17:46] HOTEL ROOMS. [17:47] THEY ARE HONKING HORNS. [17:48] THEY ARE DOING ALL SORTS OF [17:49] THINGS. [17:50] YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF [17:51] THEM MAY FEEL A LITTLE [17:53] THREATENED FOR DOING THEIR JOB. [17:55] I MEAN, IT'S NOT ICE'S FAULT THAT [17:57] THERE ARE IMMIGRATION LAWS IN [17:58] THIS COUNTRY. [17:59] THAT'S CONGRESS'S FAULT. [18:00] WELL, IT WOULD BE, IT'S NOT [18:02] NECESSARILY A FAULT THAT THERE [18:04] ARE LAWS. [18:05] BUT THE EXECUTION OF THE LAWS IS [18:07] WHAT'S IMPORTANT. [18:08] NOT THE EXECUTION OF AMERICAN [18:10] CITIZENS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT [18:12] CITIZENS WHO WERE NOT TARGETS, [18:13] WHO WERE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE [18:15] JUST GOING TO WORK SO THEY COULD [18:17] FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND THEY END [18:18] UP GETTING FOLLOWED AND THEN [18:20] SHOT TO DEATH. [18:21] IT'S JUST WRONG. [18:22] HOW ABOUT A WORD ABOUT THE [18:23] AMERICANS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED [18:24] BY ILLEGAL ALIENS, WHO HAVE BEEN [18:25] RAPED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS, WHO HAVE [18:26] BEEN ASSAULTED BY ILLEGAL [18:27] ALIENS. [18:28] LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT [18:29] THAT. [18:30] THE PRESIDENT SAID WHEN HE [18:32] RAN FOR OFFICE, HE'S GOING [18:34] AFTER THE WORST OF THE WORST. [18:36] BUT ACTUALLY, THEY ARE GOING [18:38] AFTER THE BEST OF THE BEST. [18:40] THAT'S NOT ALL THE [18:42] HE SAID. [18:45] I MEAN, THEY TALKED ABOUT [18:46] MASS DEPORTATIONS. [18:47] I WAS AT THE FLOOR OF THE [18:49] REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION. [18:50] LARRY WAS THERE TOO. [18:51] PEOPLE HOLDING UP SIGNS SAYING [18:53] MASS DEPORTATIONS, MASS [18:54] DEPORTATIONS. [18:55] SOMETHING THAT STEPHEN MILLER [18:56] HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR [18:57] YEARS. [18:58] I MEAN, AND SO THIS IS [19:00] SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE KNEW WAS [19:02] OUT THERE AND MILLIONS AND [19:03] MILLIONS OF PEOPLE VOTED FOR [19:04] THIS. [19:05] THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE [19:07] GOING TO BE ARRESTED, [19:09] ARRESTING PEOPLE SELLING TACOS [19:10] ON THE CORNER. [19:11] THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE [19:13] GOING TO BE ARRESTING NANIES. [19:14] THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE [19:15] GOING TO BE ARRESTING PEOPLE [19:17] WHO ARE PARENT FOR INFANTS. [19:18] WHAT DO YOU DO TO PEOPLE THAT [19:20] ARE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY [19:21] THAT HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THE LAW [19:22] OF COMING IN HERE? [19:24] AND WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE [19:26] WHO ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE [19:27] LAW AND ARE WAITING BEHIND IN [19:29] THE LINE? [19:30] A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, ALEX, [19:32] ARE GOING TO COURT AND TRYING [19:34] TO FOLLOW THE LAW IN ORDER TO [19:36] BECOME AMERICAN CITIZENS OR GET [19:38] THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED TO [19:40] CONTINUE TO WORK HERE. [19:42] AND THEN THEY ARE BEING [19:43] FOLLOWED BY ICE INTO COURTHOUUSES. [19:46] AND NOW THERE'S A JUDGE THAT'S [19:48] CONVICTED OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING [19:49] TO PUT SOMEONE IN ANOTHER ROOM [19:51] INSTEAD OF BEING ARRESTED BY ICE. [19:53] THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL. [19:55] WE HAVE TO LET PEOPLE AT LEAST [19:57] GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS. [19:58] THEY ARE BEING PREVENTED BY ICE [20:01] FROM DOING THAT. [20:02] REAL QUICKLY. [20:03] EVERYTHING THAT GLORIA IS [20:05] COMPLAINING ABOUT HAPPENED UNDER [20:06] THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. [20:07] HE WAS ACCUSED OF NOT DEPORTING [20:09] THE WORST OF THE WORST. [20:10] ICE WAS ACCUSED OF DEPORTING PEOPLE [20:12] THAT HAD BEEN HERE AND HAD NOT [20:14] COMMITTED ANY MAJOR OFFENSE. [20:15] EVERYTHING THAT SHE COMPLAINS [20:16] ABOUT WAS DONE UNDER THE OBAMA [20:17] ADMINISTRATION. [20:18] AND OBAMA DID NOT HAVE TO DEAL [20:19] WITH, AS I SAID BEFORE, FOUR [20:21] YEARS OF A MINIMUM OF 10, 12, [20:23] MAYBE 15 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS [20:25] INTENTIONALLY ALLOWED IN THE [20:26] COUNTRY. [20:27] OBAMA DID A GOOD JOB WITH [20:28] DEPORTATIONS? [20:29] AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED HE [20:30] DID. [20:31] THERE YOU GO. [20:32] ONE THING YOU BOTH AGREE ON. [20:33] I KNOW WE ALL LOVE GLORIA. [20:35] AS WE SAID IN THE LAST HOUR, [20:36] WE'RE CELEBRATING YOUR 85TH [20:37] BIRTHDAY. [20:38] THAT'S RIGHT. [20:39] SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY GLORIA. [20:40] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [20:41] AND THIS IS A PART OF THE [20:43] CELEBRATION IS THAT YOU LOVE [20:44] CIVIL DEBATE. [20:45] I DO. [20:46] AND YOU AND LARRY HAVE KNOWN [20:47] EACH OTHER FOR DECADES AND [20:48] DECADES. [20:49] DECADES. [20:50] AND YOU CALL HER SUPER GLOW. [20:51] SUPER GLOW. [20:52] I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY [20:53] GRAY HAIR ON MARIA'S HEAD. [20:54] I GAVE HER THAT NICKNAME. [20:55] SHE USES IT AND I DIDN'T GET [20:57] MY 10%. [20:58] OKAY. [20:59] AND I ALWAYS SAY, [21:00] FIGHTING INJUSTICE IS VERY [21:01] GOOD FOR THE HEALTH. [21:02] YES, IT IS. [21:03] THANK YOU. [21:04] YOU LOOK GREAT. [21:05] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [21:06] AS BOTH OF YOU DO. [21:07] WE'RE BOTH PRO-JUSTICE. [21:08] AND THANKS FOR SEEING YOU. [21:09] WE'RE BOTH PRO-JUSTICE. [21:10] WE JUST DEFINED JUSTICE [21:11] A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. [21:12] THANKS. [21:13] GREAT TO SEE BOTH OF YOU.