Cross-examination of Mr. Chad Parian as Defense’s witness on the impeachment trial day 43

[0:00] Attorney Ray, any cross? [0:02] A few questions, Your Honor. [0:03] You may proceed, Sir. [0:05] Mr. Parian, Chad. [0:08] Yes, po. Good morning, po. [0:10] Tanong ko lang po, kailan po kayo unang nagkakilala ni Attorney Carpio? [0:16] Same year lang din po ng tournament. [0:18] Around siguro po. [0:19] 2025? [0:21] Tama po. [0:21] 2025, around siguro po, March, I think po. [0:25] At pagkatapos ng tournament na yun, magkakilala kayo, [0:29] sabi mo kanina, nabanggit mo na naging magkaibigan na rin kayo. [0:35] Tama po ba? [0:36] Yan yung touring mo na sa kanya? [0:38] Doon po sa, to say it, doon po sa Malaysia, [0:42] hindi pa po, I treat him as a cooperative. [0:44] No, ang tinatanong ko yung ngayon. [0:46] Ngayon po, medyo po, kasi nagsama na po na matagal yung mga bata. [0:50] Oo, at saka ilang beses na kayo yung nasama sa tournament, di po ba? [0:54] Opo, I could say that. [0:54] Na kasama yung mga anak nyo. [0:56] Correct po. [0:57] Siguro mga anim or pitong beses, tama po ba? [0:59] At marami doon sa abroad yung tournament, tama po ba? [1:08] Yes po. [1:08] Ilang beses kayo nag-abroad, nakasama yung team? [1:14] Can I see the number or the... [1:15] Apat o limang beses, tama po? [1:17] Ako po kasama four or five times po. [1:23] Tama. [1:24] Yung pong sa Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, [1:27] Yes po. [1:27] Noong June 12, 2015, [1:29] Yes po. [1:30] Sa Ansa City, Korea, July 2025, one month after. [1:39] Pagkatapos sa Singapore, October 22 or thereabouts, 2025. [1:46] Yes, attorney. [1:49] Nagbiyahe din po kayo sa Fukuoka, Japan, February 20, 2026. [1:56] Yes po. [1:57] Tapos, naglaro din kayo locally, tama po ba? [2:01] Yes po. [2:02] Sa Cebu. [2:03] Tama po. [2:03] Tama. [2:05] July 5, 2026. [2:07] Tama po. [2:09] At dito rin locally sa South Mall. [2:12] Yes. [2:13] August 2026. [2:14] Yes po. [2:15] Kasama po, sumama po ba kayo noong September sa Shanghai, China? [2:21] Hindi po. [2:22] Hindi kayo kasama doon? [2:23] Dahil madalas kayo magkita at madalas kayo magkasama, [2:27] eh, sabi mo nga, [2:29] naging magkaibigan na rin kayo ni attorney Carpio. [2:32] I could say that po. [2:34] So you are not exactly a disinterested third party in this case. [2:39] Objection, Your Honor. [2:40] I'm asking the witness, Your Honor. [2:42] Objection, Your Honor. [2:43] It's a technical term. [2:45] How could the witness answer that? [2:47] If he knows, if that's your objection, [2:49] if he knows, kung alam niyo po yung sagot sa tanong at naunawaan niyo ginong, Chad, [2:52] kung hindi po, sa mga... [2:53] Can you repeat the question, sir? [2:54] Kailangan niyo po si attorney Carpio? [2:56] I could say so, sir. [2:57] At kung makaari, kung pwede niyo siyang tulungan sa anumang paraan, [3:00] tutulungan niyo siya, hindi po ba? [3:03] Hindi naman po. [3:03] I'm here to testify po doon sa Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. [3:07] Ah, sige po. [3:08] Anyway, I'll take that. [3:09] I'll proceed to other points. [3:16] Sino po ang kumausap sa inyo na kayo ang magtestigo dito sa bagay na ito? [3:24] Well, na... [3:27] Actually po, hindi ko po alam na masasabina ako. [3:29] Mayroon, nagkaroon lang po kami ng usap-usapan sa grupo. [3:33] And I, tungkol doon sa purchases sa Nike. [3:37] Nag-volunteer po ba kayo? [3:38] Hindi, nag... [3:40] Ang usap-usapan po is kung pwedeng tumulong or mag-testify. [3:44] That's exactly what I was asking you earlier. [3:46] Yes. [3:46] So you are willing to help, Atty. Carpio? [3:51] Not help po, just to testify on the purchase po. [3:55] Darag yan, darag. [3:55] Kaya nga, kaya ka nag-testify kasi gusto mong tumulong, [4:01] na ipaliwanag yung gusto mong ipaliwanag. [4:03] Tama po ba? [4:04] The event only po. [4:05] Okay. [4:05] Now, sabi niyo, sinugpina kayo? [4:10] Yes. [4:10] Wala po bang kumausap sa inyo sa parte ng defensa? [4:15] Since kaibigan kayo ni Atty. Carpio? [4:17] Nang respondents? [4:19] Wala naman po. [4:21] Wala po? [4:21] Sigurado po kayo? [4:22] You're under oath, sir? [4:25] Yes po. [4:25] Ngayon, ano po ang kabuhay niyo, sir? Anong trabaho niyo ngayon? [4:35] Ngayon po, may negosyo po ako. Negosyo po. [4:39] Ano po yung pangalan ng negosyo niyo? [4:41] I own MCDOS Plug and Play Internet Cafe. [4:47] Ano po ang pangalan ng negosyo niyo? [4:49] Yan po. [4:50] Ano po ang registered name ng negosyo niyo? [4:54] MCDOS Plug and Play Internet Cafe. [4:56] So, MACDOS Plug and Play Internet Cafe. [5:00] Yes po. [5:00] Nagulat lang kasi ko kahapon pinag-uusapan dito Jollibee eh. [5:05] Yung negosyo niyo. [5:05] Hindi lang po. [5:06] MACDOS Internet Cafe. [5:08] It stands for my pangalan po ng mga anak po. [5:12] So, MCDOS Internet Cafe. [5:15] Yun lang po ba ang negosyo niyo? [5:17] May family business po kami. I shared family business. [5:20] Opo. [5:20] Si misis po, anong kabuhayan? [5:23] Well, katulong ko po sa negosyo. [5:25] At sabi niyo kanina magkakaiba ang skwela ng mga anak niyo ni Atty. Carpio. [5:32] Yes po. [5:33] Anong skwela po pumapasok yung mga anak niyo? [5:37] Your Honor. [5:39] Your Honor. [5:40] Show the relevance. [5:41] Your Honor. [5:42] Your Honor, apologies. [5:44] May I call the attention of the presiding officer with all your respect. [5:47] Your Honor, the question, the witness is being asked about the school where his child is studying, Your Honor. [5:54] I think to protect the privacy of the minors who are not involved in this impeachment case, we will have to object for reasons of security, Your Honor. [6:02] Your Honor, there is no privacy issue about school. [6:06] These are minors, Your Honor. [6:08] It's the witness who mentioned... [6:10] Suffice it to say, Attorney Ray, that I am familiar with this arrangement and team actually. [6:17] The children come from different schools. [6:20] Yes, sure. [6:21] They are recruited through their respective coaches and come from different schools. [6:27] Yes, we will submit, Your Honor. [6:27] I think that information should be sufficient. [6:29] We will move to another point, Your Honor. [6:30] Move on, Attorney Ray. [6:31] Thank you. [6:32] Thank you, Your Honor. [6:32] It's okay. Again, councils, we have settled the better. [6:43] The fact is, your children are going to exclusive schools. [6:48] Tama po ba? [6:49] Objection, Your Honor. May we ask the relevance of this, Your Honor. [6:52] Again, it still pertains to the children. [6:55] This can still specify where the children are studying regardless without naming the schools. [7:01] It is not only irrelevant, it is subjecting security concerns to the children, Your Honor, which is not part of this impeachment decision. [7:08] Attorney Ray, kindly move on. [7:10] Dahil po kayo ay may mga sariling negosyo, hindi naman po kayo... [7:13] Basasabi po natin na kahit pa paano may kaya kayo sa buhay. Tama po ba? [7:17] Awaw po ng boss siya. [7:19] Nung Diyos, okay naman po. [7:21] Okay. Ngayon, punta tayo dun sa pinag-uusapan natin yung pagtistigo nyo kanina. [7:28] Ang sabi po nyo, naroon kayo nung i-charge ni... [7:41] Teka mo na, balikan ko muna. [7:44] Naintindihan nyo po ba kung bakit natin pinag-uusapan ng bagay na ito dito sa impeachment court? [7:51] Medyo po, hindi naman po ako lawyer. [7:53] Pero may... [7:54] Yes. [7:54] Pakakain din po. [7:55] Oo. So dahil nga, nagkataon na yung asawa ni Attorney Manz Carpio eh ang ating Vice President. [8:02] Yes pa. [8:02] So isa sa po siyang official publiko at may mga batas tayo na tungkol sa kung paano dapat mamuhay yung mga public servants natin. [8:15] Tama po ba? Alam nyo po ba yun? [8:18] In a way po. [8:19] Alam nyo po ba na sa ating saligang batas mismo, nakalagay dun, Section 1 ng Article 11 ng Constitution na public officers and public employees are supposed to lead modest lives? [8:32] Objection, Your Honor. [8:34] Calls for a legal conclusion. [8:36] The witness is incompetent. [8:38] I'm just asking the witness if he's familiar. [8:40] The connection, allow me to finish, Attorney. [8:42] Can we allow Attorney Justin to finish, Attorney Ray? [8:44] We do not... [8:46] The witness already said he is not a lawyer. [8:48] Yet, the counsel for the prosecution is insisting to ask these questions. [8:53] We do not see how this is relevant. [8:55] The witness is incompetent. [8:56] We just ask that these impertinent questions be disallowed. [9:00] Your Honor, first, the witness never said that he was not a lawyer. [9:04] But I know that he is not a lawyer. [9:05] But I am just asking him if he's familiar because this is a premise for the next questions that I will ask. [9:14] I'm just asking him if he's familiar, Your Honor. [9:17] By way of preliminary, Mr. Chad, familiar po ba kayo o hindi? [9:24] Okay lang naman sabihin, oo, hindi. [9:27] Are you familiar with the constitutional provisions cited by Attorney Ray? [9:32] Hindi po. [9:33] Sige, papakita ko po sa inyo. [9:35] Can we request that the first slide be... [9:38] Counsel, move along, counsel. [9:42] Because the court can take judicial notice of that already, counsel. [9:46] At bukod pa dun sa Section 1, Article 11 ng Constitution, [9:51] nandiyan din po yan dun sa Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards of Public Officers and Employees. [9:57] Nakalagay po yan sa Section 4H. [9:59] At this point, I will have to object because this is already a speech citing provisions, Your Honor. [10:07] This is not a question. [10:08] The witness early on has already stated that he's not a lawyer. [10:12] Could I be allowed to finish my question? [10:14] Because it is a premise for my question, Your Honor. [10:16] Attorney Ray, you have to forgive me. [10:19] It's quite obvious what you're leading towards. [10:21] This is a proper subject matter for your summation, if any, at the proper time. [10:28] Again, the lawsuit you're citing, the court takes judicial notice of it. [10:33] The witness already answered. [10:35] He's not familiar with the first one. [10:37] I already allowed that. [10:38] And you said it yourself. [10:40] You know for a fact he's not a lawyer. [10:42] Yes, Your Honor. [10:42] And therefore, this is only for effect, so to speak. [10:46] No, Your Honor. [10:47] It's a premise for my question. [10:49] But anyway... [10:50] Then go to your question, Counselor. [10:51] Yes. [10:51] We'll proceed, Your Honor. [10:53] So, kanina po, sinabi niyo na sinagot ni Attorney Man Scarpio yung P256,000 na worth ng mga sapatos. [11:06] Sabi niyo ng mga bata. [11:07] Tama po ba? [11:09] Yes, po. [11:09] Opo. [11:10] Pakita na. [11:10] Pwede po daw ba natin makita yung letrato? [11:14] Yung una po, yung team na pinakita niyong huli. [11:19] Pwede pong makita? [11:20] The tech is instructed to kindly show the photo of the one showing the team with the shoes. [11:27] Correct, Attorney Ray? [11:28] Yes, Your Honor. [11:31] The team with their box of shoes. [11:35] Tech is waving her hand at me that she does not have a copy. [11:39] Did you get... [11:39] The one which was shown last, Your Honor? [11:42] It was just shown? [11:43] The one that was last shown... [11:52] Showing the members of the team with the... [11:54] Walang sapatos yun. [11:56] Opo. [11:57] Yung laku mo na, and we will proceed to the one with the shoes, Your Honor. [12:00] Okay. [12:01] Does the tech have a copy of the USB? [12:09] No. [12:10] We don't, Your Honor. [12:11] So can we request that the USB be returned to the... [12:14] This has already been previously marked and stipulated to by councils. [12:22] Can we borrow the USB? [12:23] Yes, please. [12:25] Mr. Chad, can you give? [12:27] Without prejudice to assisting council, of course, observing. [12:32] I think it's the last photo of the team in the sequence given in the USB. [13:01] The one shown or not? [13:02] Yes. [13:02] Okay. [13:04] Yan po. [13:05] Ang membro po ng team dyan, yung nakaupo at saka yung isang nakatayo, tama po ba? [13:11] Tama po. [13:12] At silang pong lahat, eh, sampo? [13:15] Tama po ba? [13:16] Eleven po sila lahat. [13:17] Eleven. [13:17] Okay. [13:19] Puntahan po natin yung pinakitan yung letrato na sinasabi niyong si attorney Manscarpio at saka yung mga sapatos. [13:35] Tech, can we show the picture shown earlier? [13:59] Yun pong mga sapatos na nakikita natin, yun po. [14:04] Yes, po. [14:05] Lampas po ng sampo yan. [14:07] Lampas po ng labing isa. [14:08] Tama po ba? [14:08] Yes, po. [14:09] Tama po. [14:09] At kung lumalabas, kung 256,000, ang sinasabi niyo, sasampo yung miembro, [14:18] or eleven yung miembro, 23,000 bawat bata na sapatos. [14:26] Parang hindi yata nagtutugma yun. [14:31] What is the question, Your Honor? [14:33] Your Honor, the witness testified earlier. [14:36] No, no, no. I'm asking what your question is. [14:37] You just made a statement, attorney. [14:39] Forgive me. [14:39] I'm asking the witness. [14:43] Ang sinasabi niya, yung mga sapatos para sa team members, [14:48] labing isa yung team members, [14:49] itong sapatos na yan, nandyan sa nakikita natin, [14:53] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24. [15:02] So, hindi exactly tama na para dun sa mga bata lang yung sapatos. [15:09] Tama po ba? [15:09] Tama po. Correct po. [15:10] Apo. [15:11] At kung kukwentahin kasi, sa bawat isa, [15:16] 23,000 ang equivalent bawat bata, kung sa labing isa lang yun. [15:20] Ah, not exactly 23,000 per kid po. [15:27] Sure. [15:28] Pwede po natin makita itong isang letrato na binigay niyo dito. [15:37] Which picture? [15:38] Picture with the group posing with the shoes. [15:44] With the bags of shoes. [15:46] Yes. [15:46] The next picture after this one, Tech. [15:49] Yes. [15:53] Yung sumunod po sa sequence ng pictures. [15:55] So, makikita po natin dito na hindi lang po yung mga bata ang inilibre ng sapatos ni Atty. Carfio. [16:11] Tama po ba? [16:13] Tama po. [16:13] Opo. Kasi may mga babae pangaho dito na may mga sapatos na dala. [16:17] Tama po ba? [16:18] Tama po. [16:18] Okay. [16:19] Ngayon, ang tanong ko po, sabi niyo po kanina, kayo rin po naman kahit pa paano nakakaangat sa buhay. [16:25] Di po ba? [16:28] Sakto lang po naman. [16:29] Ilang beses po kayong naglibre ng sapatos na kagaya nito? [16:32] May nabigyan din lang po kung mga sapatos. [16:36] Pero yung ganito, na ganyang kadami? [16:38] Ay, it's not good. [16:39] Na P256,000? [16:40] Hindi ko po kaya yan. [16:42] Hindi niyo po kaya? [16:42] Okay. [16:44] Ngayon, ito yung tanong ko, kaya kung gusto i-flash kanina yung nakalagay sa batas. [16:49] Ito po bang ganitong paggastos ng P256,000 para man libre ng sapatos? [16:57] Eh, ito po ba'y halimbawa ng isang kapamilya ng public official na namumuhay ng simple at payak? [17:13] Ito po ba'y halimbawa nun? [17:18] Can you repeat the question, sir? [17:19] Ang nakalagay po sa batas kasi natin, ang isang public official at ang miyembro ng kanyang pamilya ay dapat they should live simple lives. [17:32] They should avoid ostentatious display of wealth in any form. [17:38] Ito po ba'y isang example ng simple at payak na pamumuhay? [17:47] Maglibre ka ng sapatos ng lahat ng tao dyan? [17:51] Objection, Your Honor. [17:53] Calls for an opinion, Your Honor. [17:54] Well, Your Honor, this witness was presented exactly to try to prove. [17:59] It's also misleading, Your Honor. [18:00] It is not, Your Honor. [18:02] It's not misleading, Counsel. [18:03] Your Honor, it's misleading. [18:05] The witness, apologies, Your Honor. [18:06] The witness already testified earlier na tumulong, Your Honor. [18:09] Already testified what, Attorney Justin? [18:12] Tumulong. [18:16] What do you mean, Attorney Justin? [18:19] Earlier, Your Honor, the witness testified that ibang mga bata walang kaya. [18:23] I think that's in the record, Your Honor. [18:26] What's the objection, Your Honor? [18:27] I'll have to overrule your objection, Attorney Justin. [18:30] So, ito po ba'y halimbawa? [18:33] Kung alam niyo po, kung may opinion po kayo, pananaw ka ognay dyan, or wala. [18:38] You're free to answer, whatever you said. [18:40] I cannot comment on the way the Attorney Manassas was thinking. [18:49] Tama po. [18:50] My opinion po is, hindi ko po alam, I cannot answer for him po. [18:54] You cannot answer for him. [18:55] I'm not asking you to answer for him. [18:56] I'm just asking you, if you consider this, kung ito po ay makukonsidera na simpleng pamumuhay, yung paglibre ng ganyang kadaming sapato sa napakadaming tao? [19:07] Well, I think deserved naman po ng mga bata at saka ng ibang mga magulang. [19:13] Wala po akong doubt na deserved ng mga bata. [19:17] Pero hindi lang naman ang bata yung minlow out niya dito eh. [19:21] Lahat nung nandun. [19:24] Yan ba ay halimbawa ng simpleng pamumuhay na nakatakda sa ating batas para sa pamilya ng public officer? [19:32] Your Honor, the witness already answered. [19:34] Witness already answered. You've made your point, Attorney Ray. [19:38] I think that would be all for the witness, Your Honor.