Flatpack forests - IKEA’s practices in the Carpathian Mountains — DW Documentary

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: So, this is an IKEA forest. Yeah, you can tell by the green panels, it's only them that uses this to warn people of that it's private property. [00:00:57] Speaker 2: I'm a journalist from Denmark. [00:01:09] Speaker 1: He said it's private land and we're not supposed to film. He said it's private land and we're not supposed to film. [00:01:29] Speaker ?: Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! [00:01:53] Gabriel: This entire forest is owned by IKEA. [00:02:01] Speaker 1: Yes, but soon all this area is going to be clear-cut. [00:02:05] Speaker 4: Is that because we have been here? You're in Romania to actually save the forests? Yes, absolutely. We love wood and we love forest. [00:02:27] Speaker ?: We love wood and we love wood and we love wood and we love wood. We love wood and we love wood and we love wood and we love wood and we love wood and we love wood. [00:03:01] Gabriel: We stop in front of the camera. We stop in front of the camera. My name is Gabriel. I have a university and post university degree in nature sciences and I'm the founding member of Romanian environmental NGO Agent Green. I'm sitting in the middle of a clear-cut done by IKEA right after they bought it. The entire forest cover has been removed. So there is no more trees left. It's just one tree over there and this is what they call FSC certified because they left the biotop tree. It's not sustainable forestry and it's not sustainable product and furniture you are using right now if it comes from places like this. [00:03:55] Speaker 4: IKEA. We love wood. Ifølge IKEA selv er deres skovdrift ikke bare bæredygtig. Den er ligefrem med til at sikre fremtiden for de rumanske skove. [00:04:07] Speaker 5: We love wood because it is durable, renewable, recyclable and beautiful. Because we know that responsible forest management helps to combat climate change. We make a difference for the future of the forests and the people living around them. [00:04:25] Speaker 4: IKEA says they make a positive difference for the rumanske skoves' future. But local environmental activists criticize IKEA for doing the opposite. The question is: Who has right? I will find a range of IKEA's skoves with both activists and IKEA. And then I will find experts to consider whether there is bæredygtighed or greenwashing. [00:05:07] Speaker 6: It's important to manage forests in a sustainable way because forests are really important, are a part of the ecosystem, I mean of land. In Europe, which used to be covered by tremendous amounts of forests, we have cut most of them down. This has repercussions on biodiversity, on carbon storage, on people, people's well-being. Companies like IKEA, that claim to be sustainable, have to ensure that they are meeting both the ecological, social and economic dimensions of sustainability. [00:05:53] Speaker 4: I Carpaterbjergene ligger en hytte, der fungerer som et fremskudt forskningscenter. Herefra tager forskere ud for bl.a. at undersøge den helt særlige biodiversitet i området. [00:06:14] Speaker 7: We try to do good things for the forest. I will say that Carpetians is one of the most beautiful mountains in the world. We have a very good balance in altitude and with forests. A very mild environment is not that harsh. Landforms, waters, lakes, waterfalls, vegetation, fauna. That was formed during the centuries. So why do we need to destroy that very quickly now? This is why I set up a big group of Romania for all of the researchers who work in life science and earth science to try to collaborate together and to improve the things in Romania in order to protection and conservation environment especially. Especially because we are facing a lot of problems. [00:07:08] Speaker 8: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. 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We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. [00:34:00] Speaker 5: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. [00:34:07] Speaker 18: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. 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[00:36:43] Gabriel: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. [00:36:57] Speaker ?: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. [00:37:00] Speaker 4: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. [00:37:13] Gabriel: We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. 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We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. We are facing a lot of problems. And Ikea continues to rely very much on FSC certificates. [00:46:22] Speaker 4: Både Ikea and FSC har afvist kritikken. Deres svar til EarthSight er, at de ikke accepterer illegal fældet træ, og at de arbejder aktivt for at forhindre problemet. [00:46:36] Speaker 13: Som jeg forstår, der ejer Ikea 51.000 hektar skov i Rumænien, og det er alt sammen FSC-certificeret. Og så kunne man jo tænke, at så kan vi være sikre på, at de her skov også forvaltes bæredygtigt og med hensyn til biodiversiteten. Og jeg er bange for, at det ikke forholder sig sådan i virkeligheden. Baseret på de optagelser, I har vist mig, så ser det absolut ud til, at der er et stort rum for forbedringer. Det ser ud som gammeldags skovbro i 3. verdenslanden, hvor man hensynsløs går ind og tager en ressource ud, uden egentlig at gøre ret meget for at bevare, hvad skal man sige, de værdier, der findes i området. Det ser ikke kønt ud, vil jeg sige. [00:47:22] Speaker 16: FSC er en af de tools vi brukte i forhold til forrest management. Vi tror at det er en av de beste systemer om, og vi vil fortsælle investere i det, og støtte det til at større og større. [00:47:34] Speaker 6: Jeg tror at det FSC systemet har været kritisk for et langt. Det er ikke virkelig til det, at det ikke virkelig var det til, fra det første det var et større. Det har været korruptet på business interests. Jeg har forsøgt at få FSC til at svare på kritikken i et interview, men det har de afvist. [00:48:11] Speaker 4: Jeg har forsøgt at få FSC til at svare på kritikken i et interview, men det har de afvist. IKEA har siden 2015 drevet skovdrift i Rumænien. Et land, som selv har påbrejet store problemer med alt for intensiv og illegal skovdrift. [00:48:52] Speaker 23: Det som international virksomheder opererer i lande med høj grad korruption, så forventer man, at de bygger et stærkt antikorruptionsprogram op. Indefra i forhold til at bekæmpe den her risiko. Hvem er det, vi arbejder sammen med i det her givende land? Er vi sikre på, at de har de rigtige forudsætninger for at arbejde på den måde, vi gerne vil arbejde på? Så kan det godt være, at der stadig sker fejl, men hvad har de gjort ved det? [00:49:26] Speaker 20: Ja, ja. Ja. Ja. [00:49:29] Speaker ?: Ja. [00:49:29] Speaker 20: Ja. Ja. [00:49:31] Speaker ?: Ja. Ja. Ja. [00:49:41] Speaker 1: Ja. [00:49:42] Speaker ?: Ja. [00:49:42] Speaker 1: Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. [00:49:46] Speaker ?: Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. [00:49:52] Speaker 1: Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. No trespassing signs yet. You're not supposed to drive in here. You're not supposed to take photos. Practically everything that we're doing, we're not supposed to be doing. [00:50:28] Speaker 4: IKEA ejer skoven her, men er solgt tømret til et lokalfirma, som selv har stået for at fælde træerne i området. - This is left over from the forestry. Is this legal? - No, it's legal. [00:50:43] Speaker 1: They should have protected this river by all means. They shouldn't have let it become like this. [00:50:48] Speaker 4: - Yeah. - Good. - Yeah. [00:50:50] Speaker 1: So obviously this is just going to cause erosion. They haven't done their job here. [00:50:55] Speaker 11: Ikea has taken control of their own water and coal, which administrates the area. They have a direct contract with the company. They are directly responsible for their activities, and they are directly responsible. They have the possibility to sanction this company. [00:51:19] Speaker 4: IKEA has not sanctioned the tømret firm. They are almost three meters high. No. For at anlægge ulovlige skovningsveje. For at fjerne mere tømret fra skoven end angivet. For at beskæde i stående træer. For at fjerne mere tømret fra skoven end angivet. For at beskæde i stående træer. Vi er på vej tilbage til skoven i Sisa Nesti for at mødes med IKEA's repræsentanter. Og Ian Holban har ringet til en lokal myndighedskilde for at forhøre sig om det rumanske firma, som har udført arbejdet i IKEA's skov. [00:52:04] Speaker 1: Så? Ja. The guys said these are definitely a dodgy company. They've been fined several times. If we want to get the full record, we should send like a public request to the police. Okay. [00:52:28] Speaker 4: The forest guard issued various fines for the logging company. For me, that's the flag that the system is actually working. But the fines were given out due to an NGO, Agent Green, who filed the complaint and made the forest guard do his work. But that resulted in three fines so far. Doesn't that affect you at all? [00:52:52] Speaker 16: I don't know this company myself, but the overall process at Inca is that we're very strict with who we work with. So I think we wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior within Inca operations. But so far you've done. [00:53:05] Speaker 4: So far you have done. They are still here. Is it all possible that some of these subcontractors have been influenced by the way things have been run in the forest industry in Romania over the years? [00:53:17] Speaker 16: So we're very careful about who we work with. We have very strict processes around subcontractors and also around companies who come on to who we sell the wood to. 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