FAA Ends Nationwide Ground Stop: Full Press Conference

[0:00] well good to see you guys again and welcome to friday the 13th right [0:05] you know i i want to make sure everybody understands that there is no connection [0:12] between this and microsoft i know a lot of people are making that jump uh this is um so far what [0:19] we've seen there is actually no um cyber attack we're still working through that process our teams [0:28] are working this is what um the leadership of president trump looks like by the organization [0:35] and the team he's put together we're built to handle crisis like this and that's exactly what [0:42] we're doing we're moving at us at a unprecedented pace as a whole of government to make sure that [0:51] we are doing the the public justice by making sure everybody is safe which everybody is [0:57] uh we are working with uh with the airports with the communities with the cities the states [1:04] to make sure those passengers that may find themselves in need fema has activated their centers [1:12] to make sure that there's no medication that is being missed if it is we're going to have people [1:17] for them to reach out to the airport has got a direct number to reach out to us we can provide [1:24] that medication for them working through the state so right now things seem to be working as we can say [1:35] in the right direction as you can see to uh to my right i have secretary sean duffy who is here to [1:42] provide the update on fema where we're at and where we're going once sean is completed with this update [1:51] then we will be happy to take take questions from everybody i just want to reiterate this the public [1:57] was never at danger through this process there was there was never any lives at risk there was no flights [2:08] at risk faa was able to handle it we did it out of an abundant of caution but i do understand the [2:16] internet traffic and where all these conspiracies start running towards i just can't say this enough [2:23] all your loved ones are safe we are working to resolve the issue and we hope to have operations up [2:31] and going at normal at some point so with that i'll turn it over to secretary duffy thank you mark [2:38] wayne and uh good night to everybody uh first want to thank you for uh your partnership and assistance [2:44] uh mark wayne uh has been great uh stephen miller uh put together all of the intelligence assets of [2:51] the white house uh we were in multiple times talking to the president about what was happening [2:56] in the airspace uh complete engagement by president trump's team so just i want to walk through what [3:02] happened today so at 3 36 p.m we experienced instability for our radar and our communications in our [3:11] centers and our tracons across uh the country so if you don't know this at airports we have towers [3:17] the next rung out is a tracon after that we have en route centers the tracons and the centers [3:23] we started to have inconsistency in the data from the radars and our communication with uh with [3:28] airplanes and we have procedures for this our pilots are well trained our air traffic controllers [3:34] are well trained and at that point we issued a ground stop we had over 3 500 airplanes in the air [3:40] they all engaged and last time i looked we had less than uh 400 in the airspace as they were all [3:48] coming into safely land and we navigated it with uh our well-known procedures uh that uh that we have [3:54] when these incidents happen i'm going to talk about where we're at now but before i do that [3:59] when we shut down the airspace oftentimes there are critical movements that have to take place [4:03] whether it's medevac there's cargo operations that are moving critical medicines that save people's [4:09] lives uh we didn't lose all telecom we didn't lose all radar but that instability because of abundance [4:15] of caution and making sure we keep the american flyer safe we did the ground stop but we were going [4:20] to allow those life-saving uh movements uh to still occur as well as with law enforcement as well [4:27] so what happened right i've heard a lot of the rumors like mark wayne has uh but what we have is an [4:33] incredibly old air traffic control system i think every single one of your networks have covered the [4:40] president and myself talking about this for the last two years the president for the last year has been [4:46] asking congress to fully fund uh a full build of a brand new air traffic control system so we have tdm uh [4:55] telecom so this is analog telecom our switches uh our routers actually got overloaded with data and they [5:02] went down and uh i shouldn't say they went down they started to give us inconsistency in the data [5:09] from those uh from those routers and because of that we shut the system down now i i have already [5:15] replaced some of those switches with president trump and our new ip switches did not go down it's the old [5:21] hardware uh that went down and i think the question for the american people is do you want your congress [5:28] to fund this president trump has asked for the money uh he's asked the congress on a bipartisan [5:35] uh approach to say give us the resources to build a state-of-the-art air traffic control system let's [5:42] not do a patchwork uh a fix to a system that's critical for every single family it's not red it's [5:49] not blue it's not democrat it's not republican it's american give us the money to fix it now if you look [5:55] to the past administrations going back 25 years uh 15 billion dollars has been given to the faa [6:02] to fix this air traffic control system and guess what barely anything was done we had a down payment [6:09] uh president trump asked for it in the uh one big beautiful bill of 12 and a half billion dollars [6:15] we are building in that 12 and a half billion dollars that portion of the build will be done [6:20] by the time president trump leaves office we are moving at a speed that has never uh been seen [6:24] before with regard to the faa but uh that's a partial funding i think america demands that the congress [6:32] give the rest of the resources to finish the bill um and i think the congress at a point looked to the [6:41] history of the faa and said we don't trust you well with president trump and what we've done i think [6:47] they do trust because what we've done with that first tranche of money and so uh with a brand new [6:54] state-of-the-art system you won't have these outages so what you experience today but you can think back [6:58] many of you covered the story from a year and a half ago we had outages in newark multiple outages in [7:03] newark this is a continual problem that we have um and it should be fixed um and so what we want to do [7:13] i've asked the president's asked for 30 billion dollars i want 50 billion dollars and by the way if [7:18] you look at how much money congressman's peter you've covered congress they they waste a lot of [7:23] money what's more important than having an air traffic control system that actually works and so [7:28] the president said you know what let's finish this job new hardware new software new telecommunication [7:36] many of our towers are almost 100 years old our our air traffic controllers have leaky roofs air [7:42] conditioning that doesn't work they're high in the air their elevators don't work their roofs leak [7:48] i want new towers we should also invest in many of the airports around the country that frankly many [7:54] of them are embarrassing let's get the money let's invest so we never have to come at 8 30 at night and [8:02] have a press conference on why air travel was shut down why we have tens of thousands of people in [8:07] airports separated from their families uh without um with without uh any knowledge of where they're going [8:13] to sleep tonight now you probably picked up that uh we how we've identified the problem we've got our [8:20] centers and our tray cons operational right now and so at 8 15 tonight uh eastern time we've opened up [8:26] the airspace now does that mean every flight is going to fly right now it's going to be slow right so if [8:34] if you're watching you're at an airport um check with your airline uh it depends on do we have crews [8:39] available to have pilots and flight attendants available to fly your flight we're going to try [8:43] to move as many of those as we can tonight if we have the capacity with crews to to move those flights [8:50] if not we're going to uh start tomorrow morning with our airline partners um moving those aircraft [8:55] but it's going to take us some time to unwind what's happened uh this afternoon uh finally with general [9:02] aviation uh if we have uh aircraft that's moving six people uh that's that's a lower priority but this [9:11] weekend we we have movements of of aircraft that uh our general aviation that might have uh 60 80 100 [9:19] people on those aircraft we are going to give those aircraft a priority uh so hopefully tomorrow we are [9:25] going to start to see a far better movement but um i'm going to we'll take your questions this is an [9:31] emergency this is an emergency i want congress to give us emergency funding this is bipartisan this [9:39] is american i want 50 billion dollars president trump is a builder he's going to build this network [9:46] and deliver for the american people but the president can't deliver for america unless the congress [9:51] delivers the money to make it happen so with that we're happy to take your questions uh peter secretary [9:56] duffy what you're describing routers overloaded with data that then start to show instability that [10:04] sounds like something that could be caused by a cyber attack can you say with 100 percent certainty [10:11] that this was not caused by a cyber attack or a rogue ai i'm going to give this to mark wayne all right [10:19] we are there's nothing completely certain right now it doesn't appear that way we are we've activated [10:26] our teams this is what department of homeland security is all about this is why we're stood up [10:31] to have the continuity of government to bring all the resources together in an emergency like this [10:36] this is exactly what this is this is a national emergency we have all of our assets be it from dow [10:43] to cissa to all of our knocks then all the other components we have inside of dhs nsa is working with [10:51] us there is nothing that indicates it yet now when we start looking at cyber threats cyber attacks [10:58] typically some people is going to raise their hand up and say hey we did that there's no chatter um we [11:04] haven't seen any any footprints as you would say or or or identifications of people that got into the [11:13] system it appears that this was mechanically driven however we're still looking so we're not going to [11:20] roll that out i want to hit back on to what secretary duffy said with the with the funding this is a [11:26] national security risk we just saw what took place when we have vulnerabilities and we have old systems [11:33] the president has declared this a national emergency and now we have to have congress act and fund it [11:41] this is vitally important that we get this system built the president has said this secretary duffy has [11:47] said this multiple times our air traffic control system is outdated and it hasn't been a priority [11:53] from congress and so it this is this is what happens when congress kicks the can down the road but so [11:59] when you say that you haven't seen footprints suggesting a cyber attack and nobody's taking credit [12:04] for a cyber attack have you seen any evidence specifically can you tell people who are watching [12:09] we have seen we have seen zero evidence we've seen zero evidence uh that this was that this was a [12:16] cyber attack or uh si attack so then it must be something else what is the other thing what caused the [12:22] instability so it's very easy we have old uh old switches old routers we use uh 1980s uh little copper [12:35] lines it's an old system that went down and went down everywhere it got overloaded so so uh what here [12:43] you right now we've opened up the airspace we've got our centers and our tray cons operational uh it [12:48] would be much and i don't want to rule out that we didn't have nefarious activity here that's mark [12:54] wayne and the uh cyber security team that works with us we were able to uh deploy fixes to reduce the [13:03] overloading on our on our um on our switches that we're able to bring the networks back online and our [13:10] our trade cons and our centers back online so i think our fix gives us a pretty good indication [13:16] that it was a legacy uh network problem that went down and by the way all of the new equipment that we [13:23] put in none of that went down this is all the old legacy equipment that's existed forever by the way [13:28] none of your networks run on 1980 technology you all got fiber state-of-the-art high-speed networks [13:36] that that cover all of your stations but not the faa i think the the american people deserve the same [13:43] same kind of network that you all use the same kind of connectivity and speed that you all use [13:47] that's what we're asking the congress to give us one question for each of you mr mullen are you [13:54] able to completely rule out forward interference and then mr duffy you're talking about old systems [14:00] being to blame here the ground stop is lifted but this is not going to get fixed overnight thousands of [14:05] flights have been delayed thousands of flights have been cancelled how can you assure the american [14:10] people that it is going to be safe to fly and how long is it going to take for flights to be fully [14:16] operational and back so let's talk about the cyber security once again we're still looking at it we're [14:22] not uh rolling out anything what it appears to be right now is as secretary duffy and faa was going in [14:28] and putting patches into the system they were putting new equipment um and a new technology and [14:39] that new equipment new technology just wasn't it was overwhelming the older system which is why [14:44] secretary duffy made it very clear the patchwork doesn't work we need one complete system we need [14:51] someone to come in and build the whole system doing it nickel and diamond together does not work this is [14:56] what happens when that takes place that's why the president has made it very clear we can't do [15:02] this it has to be a complete overhaul of the system which we estimate to be about 50 billion dollars [15:09] however out of abundance of caution we are still going to do everything we can to rule it out if that [15:16] changes we will let you know but it doesn't appear right now that that was that this was anything to [15:21] do but with with technology so to answer your question this is not going to get done overnight you're [15:25] right um but when do you want to start it america when do you want to start building a brand new [15:31] system uh well you have you have a team with president trump that actually is building it right now [15:37] but we don't have full funding and so i think there's no better time than the present to actually [15:43] give us the money and let us finish the build what went down was old right it was the old legacy [15:49] equipment it failed and listen it's going to continue to fail but my number one job is america's [15:56] safety that is my that is that is that is that is my that is my first charge and so if you look at [16:03] what happened today we had a failure uh and what happened we effectively and safely got aircraft out [16:10] of the airspace right and sometimes people will complain why did you shut the airspace down and some [16:15] we just had an incident a couple uh a couple months ago in new york where that system went [16:20] down there's a telecom issue we will shut the system down i want you to fly safely if you miss [16:26] your if you miss a baseball game you miss a wedding i care about you getting there um uh in in uh without [16:33] any harm and so uh again this is a time you have a builder president we can play politics by the way play [16:39] politics all you want on all kinds of issues that's great and there's a lot of issues to play politics on [16:44] this is not one of those issues this is an american issue an american build with an american president [16:50] that knows how to do it sir thank you will this cascade to thanksgiving travel plans for college [16:58] students coming home do you expect to see delays cancellations even though we're days up that's a [17:02] great question um so i i believe that it's going to take us uh some time to get back uh to capacity and [17:09] and then get people who uh were disrupted over the course of the last eight hours to get them back [17:16] to their destination so we're going to have some makeup to do i would imagine a lot of my kids are [17:20] flying next friday back from college i imagine that's when a lot of kids are flying and everyone [17:23] starts their thanksgiving travel which by the way is a very busy time for travelers i think we're going [17:29] to be back up and operational uh as we come in to the to the heat um of travel during thanksgiving [17:35] and one more you said uh earlier you mentioned medical flights organ transplants are still being [17:40] sold across the country yes we don't we don't we don't stop those because because it wasn't a [17:43] complete outage it was just we were getting um varying degrees of of of um of our inputs from radar [17:52] and from uh from uh from telecom we were able to still fly those flights safely and we understand [17:59] uh people's lives are in the in basically in the hands of these flights being able to get from point [18:03] a to point b so we were allowing those to go as well as law enforcement that's the coast guard yeah [18:20] this looks like it was a engineer major internet engineering defect that took place during either [18:28] they hit the bridge or something something caused the ripple effect i do want to announce though [18:34] um by the grace of god we have not lost one soul there was 195 souls on on board all 195 souls are [18:44] accounted for 32 are at the hospital we're still in various conditions but my last report was there was no [18:56] critical conditions that was taking place so just just an absolute miracle there but once again not [19:03] connected at all that was that was something that took place [19:10] in the run-up you know mr secretary you are having a war against iran was there any input at [19:16] all uh beyond this incident that there were iranian elements or any other elements who may be [19:21] confronting cyber attacks no we're not we're not we're not seeing that we're not seeing that all yes [19:25] thank you guys for your coordination about this emergency um speaking of college a huge [19:29] industry that relies on topics again is college football have you guys been in communication [19:33] with these universities with these universities and do you plan to implement this work for nation [19:37] america yeah so as i mentioned we're going to allow for general aviation those uh larger movements to take [19:43] place as a priority smaller movements uh will will take a lower priority and so if you talk about football [19:49] teams moving uh many of those are on charters and there's a lot of individuals on those charter planes so [19:55] i would encourage those football teams to reach out to the faa uh to schedule their flight times and [20:01] make sure they can uh move to uh make sure we have games going off um tomorrow thank you [20:10] thank you cameron from town hall has there been any communication with the major commercial airlines [20:15] and then can you just clarify what rights do passengers have right now i know you mentioned fema [20:20] but what other rights yes so uh we are in communication with all of our airline partners [20:25] uh we're making them aware as soon as we can with what the issues are right because they're also [20:30] concerned was this cyber what what took place where we had a ground stop um and one mark wayne and [20:37] our uh and our airlines are navigating the passengers uh who are stranded in airports uh but we work fully [20:44] with them uh as we come back online and what what planes um we can move uh as quickly as possible to get [20:51] people to their final destinations uh and this is one of those scenarios where this is not the fault of [20:56] the airline right this is again there's i'm i'm happy to blame the airlines i'm happy to blame the [21:01] weather but i'm also happy to take the blame when it's with uh the faa and air traffic control and this [21:07] is a legacy system problem that took place tonight and um uh we have to handle it accordingly [21:14] thank you sir just describe how this manifested in the air today were airplanes still able to [21:22] communicate with their traffic controllers how did it specifically impact that and separately do you [21:27] have any sort of an estimate at this point on the economic impact of this stoppage and where that goes [21:32] from here so uh we had intermittent communication and intermittent uh radar and which is why we then shut [21:41] the airspace down so it wasn't a complete uh blackout in communication or radar uh so we were able to [21:47] keep some of those communications going but when you when you have issues and you can't immediately [21:52] communicate and immediately see where aircraft are at that's a risk that we're unwilling to tolerate [21:57] in regard to economic consequences of what happened today it's i think it underscores how important [22:02] aviation is to our economy we haven't done a calculation uh we've been i got off and i was on the [22:07] airplane an airplane from dallas when this happened hence my attire um and haven't gone to change so [22:13] i apologize for wearing a jacket and jeans with you um there will be time to do an economic analysis [22:18] but this is critical for the american economy which is why the congress i'm going to say it a million [22:23] times the congress has to give the resources to the president so we can finish this bill [22:31] just to be clear to follow up that means there were times when airplanes and air traffic [22:35] controllers were not communicating with each other at all so that can happen yes and what [22:39] happened we have we have we have a more safety well we have emergency procedures in place if this [22:45] happens pilots know what to do and air traffic controllers know what to do um and whether it's [22:51] systems on airplanes that are still operational it's still communication uh though not um not [22:58] consistent we're able to navigate the airspace and as you saw today we systematically but slowly [23:04] brought down 3 500 plus aircraft um safely across the national airspace which i want to give credit [23:10] to the pilots and to our air traffic controllers uh who are very well trained and know how to [23:15] navigate this situation are you saying that it was the fa patching a system that caused this outage [23:23] is that something that's happening constantly so yeah that's so i want to clarify that um this is [23:30] is our old tdm analog system that uh got overloaded with data and started to experience these issues [23:40] and it was in our tracons and our centers throughout the nas now we do have some uh in our tracons and [23:47] centers that have been upgraded to um to digital uh to ip those did not experience these issues which [23:54] underscores the point it's important that we're able to finish this work with additional resources [24:00] be confident that this vulnerability won't be an issue again in the coming weeks if what today [24:06] took place happened and it's still this is a great question so listen um i can't i can't build things [24:13] if i don't have money like this is this is this is a great question that you ask how can america be [24:18] confident well we do everything whether we have we have the busiest airspace in the world bar none [24:23] we have the safest airspace in the world bar none no one competes with us on safety or complication [24:28] of the airspace but if you ask the question what should we do well we should talk to our senators [24:33] and our members of congress to say we don't we don't deserve this america this is the greatest [24:38] country by the way with the greatest president let's give the money to fix this very real problem [24:44] and this is not the first time we had this happen in new york when we had all global leaders were [24:49] flying in for the u.n we had a similar issue we had an issue in in newark it happened twice how many [24:56] times does this have to happen before congress gives the money to fix it for two years now sir [25:04] so why hasn't this been a bigger priority for the president republicans controlled both chambers [25:08] of congress and still do what network let me see so maybe you haven't covered the um 100 plus press [25:16] conferences that i've done on this issue uh that have been uh led by the president uh but i know fox has [25:23] asked peters secured the story i know many of you have covered the story about the president's ask [25:28] and my ask to get the money right and so i i identify i identify well because the congress has to give [25:35] it to us right and you need it you need a well oftentimes it's a great point oftentimes you need [25:42] a bipartisan vote right so i did get partial funding through one big beautiful bill i got 12 and a half [25:49] billion and with that money we are we are we are spending it and spending it well but the congress [25:55] at the time knew that um that was not going to be enough by the way i i this is bipartisan but on that [26:02] bill i didn't have democrats that voted for it we now have an opportunity in an emergency funding bill [26:08] before the end of the year to give the money and i think the question should be from nbc to every member [26:13] do you support actually modernizing making a state-of-the-art air traffic control system and [26:20] it's going to take us some time i can't snap my fingers and build a network overnight but do you [26:24] want us to build this for america and i think every member of congress should say yes but every american [26:30] i guarantee you would tell those members yes give president trump give duffy the money let them finish [26:36] this job so we don't have to do a press conference at 8 30 at night ever again sir by [26:43] you're building the new system is it safe to fly what how we know this isn't going to happen again [26:48] tomorrow when you bring in new patches so so this is this is the safest system in the world and by the [26:54] way it hasn't been done in the past because it is complicated this is i don't want to lie to anybody [26:59] this is what we're doing is hard and it hasn't happened in the past because it is hard but i'll tell [27:04] you by doing nothing you inject way more risk into the system right to use 1980s technology [27:11] 1990s software to use 1970s radar that we don't make parts for anymore uh to have an old network [27:22] an old network configuration uh from the 80s versus re-networking uh the air traffic control system [27:29] through the faa i believe that should be a priority and we our number one our number one mission when [27:35] we do any of this is safety but if you do nothing the system doesn't get more safe it gets less safe [27:43] and so i would say america congress let's make this system more safe let's continue to lead that we led [27:49] the world in aviation we led in the jet age we've led in space let's continue to lead with a state of [27:57] the art a system that no one has that's the best in the world but that takes cash [28:02] the old system and what kind of ins and outs why wasn't the agency prepared for some kind of [28:12] catastrophic failure like we saw today well i can't anticipate every catastrophic failure that will [28:17] have that will happen with a tdm network with an analog network [28:21] but shouldn't there have been a backup plan in place in case this network failed you knew it was an old [28:25] system you were trying to replace to keep people in the air so uh i didn't anticipate that we would have [28:32] an outage like this we've had small outages that i've mentioned previously we didn't think we would [28:39] have this kind of outage we did and what i would tell you is the systems that were deployed kept [28:46] everybody safe everyone landed we're able to review what went wrong and then reboot the system and go [28:53] but uh you will have more of these you will have more of them unless the american people in the congress [29:00] tell us to build and i and i can't wait for that for president trump why have we not heard from him [29:06] at all on this issue oh well i we the two of us have talked to him he is he is in i've talked [29:12] about on the phone i've talked to him in to in the in the oval so is mark wayne um oh i don't run [29:17] the president's comms i just know that mark wayne and i are going to come out and talk to you about [29:21] it but i know he's fully engaged because he has communicated with the both of us multiple times [29:26] uh from the point that it happened uh to moments before i came out i was in constant communication [29:32] mark wayne and i were in the oval with him which by the way i appreciate his leadership and what's [29:36] he what's just unique about the president is he loves aviation um he loves the airspace [29:42] and which is why he has been so engaged on this um he understands it very well and he he's been [29:48] frustrated from my first before i actually was sworn in he was talking about how old the system is [29:54] how past administrations had failed and how he wants to fix the air traffic control system in [29:59] america and deliver the best in the world and it takes a president's leadership like president trump [30:05] to make sure we can ask the congress and get the money and give the deliverables thank you mr [30:10] secretary i'm curious i don't think we have clarity yet what was different about today specifically the [30:15] system has been in place for a long time why did today the system go out and can you give more [30:21] clarity you're saying this will happen again should americans feel safe when they fly if these outages [30:26] are still possible in what kind of vintage you'll have it happen again i don't know right is this [30:31] exact thing going to happen again i don't i don't know that this exact scenario will happen but i did have [30:36] new york a couple months ago i had newark a year and a half ago um so uh we're still working on the [30:43] details of what went wrong today i'm i'll be happy to give you more information when we have it i don't want to [30:49] give you the wrong information our team is working overtime uh trying to navigate uh what what happened [30:57] here what was the cause and how do we prevent it in the future should similar situations arise [31:03] so you know anything to do with the ai program you guys just introduced smart program from the faa [31:07] so uh as i mentioned this is all the old legacy equipment uh all of the new equipment that's been [31:14] deployed did not go down uh our smart system which is a system that we have a feed for the whole [31:19] airspace that's going to help us better manage trajectories of airplanes and better manage [31:24] weather so we can one drive safety in the airspace and drive efficiency in the airspace but that smart [31:31] system isn't plugged in uh to stars and e-ram uh it's not this is this is completely disconnected [31:38] and i love that some people have said this would be the root cause by the way if it was i'll tell you [31:42] that but this is not even plugged in what this does is gives information from the airspace to a human [31:50] being and gives them a prompt on how they could better navigate weather or trajectories then the [31:55] human being will actually decide to accept or deny that prompt so we're not even tied in so there's no [32:01] possible way smart would have impacted what happened today you said today that there was no one in any [32:06] danger i'm curious for people who are frustrated right now about the fact that their flight's been [32:11] delayed or canceled why was there a ground stop put in place for five hours if no one was in any danger [32:16] well let me let me explain that one very easy uh no one was in danger because procedures we put in [32:22] place the system went down we reacted the way that we were trained to react uh and everybody came together [32:29] president trump immediately had had people in his office we were communicating uh secretary duffy the faa [32:36] took immediate actions that they had put in place uh to to assure everybody was safe and that's why you [32:42] saw we had as secretary duffy had said we had over 3 000 flights in the air we had a ground stoppage and [32:50] they were all able to land safely even with the communication problems and i just can't speak enough [32:56] about president trump's leadership this is what president trump does he puts leaders in place [33:01] um and he allows them to lead uh to even ask you know why is the president not talking it's because [33:09] he's allowed secretary duffy and us to go out there and explain to you what took place [33:15] president trump trump's trust trust his leadership and that's why we really lean in towards his [33:21] leadership and when secretary duffy said he's the greatest president we've had you've never had a builder [33:27] and a leader like president trump lead this nation have a vision and put the [33:31] put the team together um thank you guys so much appreciate it [33:34] this has to do with l3 how does this affect the g20