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[0:00] Mayroon po bang expressly nakasulat sa mga findings nila? [0:03] Ask and answer, Your Honor. It is in 8.3. [0:06] May expressly po ba na nakasulat na may ni isang kusing na napunta sa bulsa ng vice-presidente? [0:11] Ask and answer, Your Honor. This... [0:13] Oh, wait. Don't answer. [0:15] That question, Your Honor, has been asked and answered. [0:21] Sustained, Your Honor. [0:23] Sustained, counsel. I think what you're getting at. [0:25] Modify. Modify your question. You can get it. [0:29] Okay. So, basically po, ang findings nyo ay preliminary lamang. [0:35] Wala pong any conclusive finding pa as to any misappropriation. [0:41] Yun lang po ang tanong ko. [0:43] Ang sabi kasi sa circular, upon failure to liquidate, I don't have presumption. [0:48] Ask and answer, Your Honor. [0:50] No, the witness is asking if it's... [0:52] The witness is not responsive. Kindly respond. I think the question is quite simple, Mr. Humil. [0:57] Preliminary pa lang. So, wala pang any conclusive finding as to any misappropriation. [1:04] Yun na lang po. Para lang po, ano, masagot nyo na ng diretso. [1:09] Hindi naman po kasi kailangang i-state doon sa findings. [1:11] Again, Your Honor, non-responsive. [1:13] Let the presiding officer be the one to do it, or try to do it. [1:20] Kapagka nag-issue po kayo ng AOM, Audit Observation Memorandum, failure to liquidate na po ba yun? [1:28] O may mga observation pa lang kayo? [1:31] Kailan masasabing may failure to liquidate na? [1:33] Pag may notice of disallowance na, notice of suspension, o AOM pa lang? [1:36] Nakalagay po kasi sa Joint Circular, Your Honor, under 8.3, failure to liquidate by the accountable officer upon due demand shall be a prima facie evidence. [1:48] Opo. Again, Mr. Humila, yung pag-issue nyo po ba ng AOM, pasok na sa failure to liquidate upon due demand, o hindi pa po? [1:59] Hindi pa po sa AOM, Your Honor. [2:00] Kasi wala pong due demand sa AOM. [2:03] Yes po. [2:03] At may sasabi mo rin bang wala pang failure to liquidate, o meron na? [2:08] Pag sa AOM po, wala. Pero pag sa NS po, since meron ng first issuance, which is considered as demand, so meron na po sa NS. [2:15] So AOM wala pa. Pag NS, meron ng demand at meron ng failure to liquidate. [2:24] Opo. Since sa AOM po, nirequire na silang i-justify and i-submit yung mga documents na hindi nila na-submit. [2:31] Pero sa AOM, wala pang ganun. [2:33] Yes po, Your Honor. [2:33] Okay. [2:34] Council, your witness. [2:35] Thank you. [2:36] And lastly, gusto ko lang to ma-clarify. [2:41] Of course, the witness was a state auditor of the ICVAO. [2:45] So, recommendatory lang po ang function ninyo. [2:48] Hindi po kayo nagde-decide, lalong-lalo na pagdating sa notice of this allowance. [2:53] Tama po ba? [2:55] Yes po. It's the function of the commission proper. [2:57] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Wamil, Attorney Wamil. [2:59] I thank you for your patience. [3:03] That is all for this witness, Your Honor. [3:06] Thank you, Council for Respondent. [3:09] Redirect, if any, Council for the Panel of Prosecutors? [3:12] Yes, Your Honor, with your permission. [3:14] Council may proceed with her redirect. [3:16] Mr. Wamil, kinalong sa'yo ng Council for the Respondent, kung meron kang special training para mag-audit ng confidential funds. [3:30] Kailangan ba ng special training para mag-audit ng confidential funds? [3:34] No ma'am. [3:35] Hindi. [3:36] Hindi po. [3:36] At ang basihan mo, sinabi mo, when you answered is, ang basihan mo ay itong Joint Circular. [3:47] Yes. [3:48] Tinalong sa'yo ng Council kung alam mo na ang Office of the President ang siyang nagbigay ng grant. [4:07] Tama? [4:08] At ang sagot mo, oo. [4:10] Can you repeat the question? [4:11] You asked, you answered on cross, on the question of Council for the Respondent, if you are aware that the grant was given to the Vice President by the President. [4:32] Yes, ma'am. [4:33] And you answered yes. [4:34] Yes, ma'am. [4:34] Pag binigay ba ng Presidente, like in this instance, ang confidential funds, wala nang obligasyon mag-liquidate ang Vice President ng paggamit niya sa confidential funds na yan? [4:52] Meron po. [4:54] Meron po siyang obligasyon to liquidate. [4:56] Obligasyon. [4:58] Pag-grant ba ng Office of the President, e-exempted na ang Vice President na mag-submit ng mga dokumento? [5:07] Your Honour, that is leading. [5:11] Redirect, Your Honour, this Council opened the door. [5:13] Not covered by cross, even, Your Honour. [5:15] Your Honour, Council opened the door. [5:18] Council opened the door to this line of questioning because he said, a grant was given by the President. [5:23] Objection is overruled. Witness may answer if he knows. [5:26] Kung alam mo, Mr. Wamil, pakisagot po yung tanong ni Attorney Kapunan. [5:30] Can you repeat the question, ma'am? [5:31] Ang grant ba ng confidential funds ng isang Presidente to a Vice President, this President in particular, to the Vice President, does it exempt the Vice President for accounting for the use of that confidential funds under your joint circular? [5:54] No po. [5:55] Okay. So, kailangan pa rin, sinasabi mo, na compliant. Mag-comply. [6:01] Opo. Kailangan pa rin. [6:02] Hindi lang ang Office of the President. Kung binigyan rin ng grant ang Department Secretary of Education, kailangan rin. [6:11] Yes, ma'am. [6:12] Bakit? Ano ba ang nature ng pondo na yan? Pera ba yan ang Presidente? [6:17] Since ang confidential fund po ay public funds, so kailangan pong ma-properly account. So kailangan nilang i-liquidate properly and complete yung kanilang cash advances from the confidential fund. [6:28] So ang sinasabi mo, at national rationality nyo ng joint circular, section 1, public funds, public accountability, public officer. Tama? [6:41] Opo. [6:42] Walang exemption. Hindi exemption si Sarah Duterte para mag-account. [6:48] Yes, ma'am. [6:48] Sinabi rin, counsel for the Vice President also said, counsel for, yeah, the Vice President also said, tinanong ka itong call sa ano ba yung accrual method? Pakiulit, ano yung accrual method? [7:11] Under the accrual method po, the expenses is recorded upon incurrence and not upon payment po. [7:20] Allowed ba ito, itong accrual method of accounting, sa pag-evaluate ng confidential funds? [7:29] No, ma'am. Kasi kailangan po talagang binayaran yung expenses po. [7:34] So hindi pwedeng accrual, parang lista. [7:38] Opo, hindi po pwedeng lista. [7:39] Hindi pwedeng lista-lista. Kung binayaran, dapat cash out. [7:43] Yes, ma'am. [7:44] At kung cash out, dapat may resibo. [7:48] Yes, ma'am. [7:49] So hindi pwede ang accrual. [7:53] Mr. Witness, tinanong rin sa'yo, itong utilization of confidential funds, nakalagay, utilization of confidential funds, tinanong sa'yo ng counsel, [8:13] hindi ba dapat confidential rin? Do not divulge information on the use of confidential funds. [8:24] Tama ba ang interpretation ng counsel for the respondent? [8:30] Your Honor, that was not my interpretation. [8:33] I was merely asking based on the co-circular that he read, Your Honor. [8:39] Just on that matter. [8:41] Noted. Witness may answer.