COURTROOM INSIDER — Prosecution rests after police call, DNA evidence, homicide detective and more

[00:00:00] Nate Eaton: Good evening, everybody. Happy Monday. Hope you had a great weekend. I'm Nate Eaton. Welcome to Courtroom Insider. Today's the 22nd of June, and it's a big day in the Zarius Hildebrand trial because the prosecution rested. The defense will take over the case starting tomorrow, and we understand that they could rest by the end of the week. It's possible. The judge said last week that the jury could have the case as soon as Wednesday, maybe, maybe tomorrow, and then they start to deliberate. So we could have a verdict this week. If you are new to this case, let me give you a brief synopsis. By the way, I would love to know where you're watching from if you have any questions. This is a case that happened in Alaska. Zarius Hildebrandt and his wife, Soraya, had been married less than a year. Soraya was born here in Idaho. Zarius and Soraya were both part of the military. They met in Utah. She wanted to be a medic. She wanted to go through training. They both ended up in Alaska so that she could go through that training program a lot quicker than if she waited around on the mainland part of the United States. And last in 2023, in August, they went out to celebrate Zarius's birthday. The next day, Soraya was reported missing. She stopped responding to text messages. I should say she was not reported missing the next day. She vanished the next day. It wasn't, she wasn't reported missing for some time. When he reported her after Soraya's friends got involved in the, wondering where their friend was, she was found a few days later in a storm drain about 100 feet away from their apartment. And he has been charged with her murder. He has admitted that he moved the body or admitted that he tampered with evidence, but he says that she died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head and that he moved the body because he freaked out. He saw her dead and, and, and didn't know what to do and moved her body. So we will, we will see starting tomorrow what his defense is. Will he take the stand? What experts will take the stand? What their narrative will be? And whether it is strong enough to convince the jury, really the, the, the bottom line is did the prosecution prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. They've called dozens of witnesses. Uh, the case has gone on the past two weeks. We've done recaps every night for you tonight. We're going to talk about what happened today. Uh, Dr. Emily Matthews, a DNA analyst, we'll start off with the, with the witnesses who took the stand. She indicated that the Glock there, remember there was a gun found in the apartment. There, there was no blood on it. Um, the prosecutors were able to, uh, she talked about all the DNA basically in the apartment. They were able to find DNA, but it was inconclusive. There was like no silver bullet. Sorry, sorry to use the phrase when talking about a gun, but there was no silver bullet. And you think about it, Zarius and, uh, Soraya lived in the same apartment. Their DNA is going to be everywhere. Now, if they were able to say without a shadow of a doubt that whoever held this gun, that, that it was their only DNA, like it only her DNA was found on the handle in the trigger. Well, that's obviously stronger for the self-defense for, or for the suicide defense versus only his DNA was found on the handle and the trigger. Well, then he pulled the trigger. You could argue that stronger, but it sounds like based on this evidence that there really wasn't a strong enough point. There was, um, uh, not blood on the gun tested negative for blood. According to the witness, Dr. Matthews, she swabbed all over the apartment. Uh, the Glock, as I mentioned, didn't have that, they were able to swab the trash, but there was, uh, not enough to get a DNA profile of what was in the garbage. The mattress we've talked about tested positive for blood. They swabbed it sufficient DNA match to match Soraya, uh, but not Zarius. So of course the blood you would think would be hers given that there was so much blood. Uh, the defense had some follow-up questions and asked about DNA samples from the crime scene. And, um, and just had some follow-up questions for her. You can watch her whole testimony. If you want to go watch that next detective on the stand today was Troy Clark. He first responded to the missing persons report because it seemed abnormal enough for him to respond. Often when people are reported missing street officers go, they're the first line of defense. They're the first people who were there. They get the questions. They gather information. Then they get a detective involved if needed. But this detective Clark thought it was weird enough, abnormal enough that he personally needed to go. He immediately spoke with, uh, Zarius and said that there were discrepancies in Soraya's last texts from her phone that didn't make sense. You may recall, we talked about her texting friends when they were saying, do you want to go to the gym? You want to have lunch? She didn't respond to some of those. And then she declined the invitation to go to the gym. He looked at previous texts on her phone and they didn't match up. The detective walked into the, uh, the apartment, noticed two guns lying out. He asked Zarius to put those away for safekeeping. Zarius said that Sunday morning, she put on her uniform, his wife, then walked to work for the first time because they were still intoxicated from the night before when they were partying. And she was concerned that she would get a DUI. He said he took her phone or, sorry, he took her purse. She took her purse and walked out, but left her cell phone. This is his story to the detective. Now, this is a woman, according to her friends, that was always Snapchatting, texting, messaging. It doesn't take long. If you're like me, when I go out for a run in the morning or sometimes I'll go on a walk and I listen to a podcast, I've left my phone behind at home. But I go about 10 steps before I realize I don't have my phone. What am I going to listen to? Unless I purposely want to leave it behind. And I turn around and I get the phone. He says she was going to walk to work and left the phone behind and never came back for it. So she got a text. The last contact was Saturday night through text messages. And he said that she left around 10:00 a.m. to go to work. She woke up around 8:30 or 9:00, was too intoxicated to drive, and that he would use Google Maps to follow her. But her phone was there at the house, so he wasn't sure if that would work to follow her. Here's a little bit [00:06:47] Speaker 2: more of what the detective said. Sunday, he told me that when he woke up, I think he said he just lounged around the house. I don't remember the exact words and he vegetated or he was a vegetable [00:07:00] Speaker 3: around the house. So he told me he didn't go anywhere initially. Did he then say he had done [00:07:07] Speaker 2: something else? Well, we had a discussion about video cameras in the apartment, video cameras outside the apartment. And I asked them, basically at that point, calling the bluff, like, "Well, what are we going to see on video cameras when I go out and review that?" Because that's the first thing I'm going to do was go out and look for video cameras, because that's usually the best sign of evidence in these cases. At that point, he changed his story that, oh, I suddenly remember I did go out. I went to Fred Meyer and bought some ingredients for a guacamole dip, I think is what he called it. And he said he went to the Brown Jug liquor store, the warehouse liquor store, I think it's 4040 Oldsburg Highway, 4140, whatever the address is there, that's right beside Home Depot on Tudor. Then he said he went there, [00:08:00] Speaker 3: he bought some bourbon and a Coke. And did you confront him about the length of time that it took to report Soraya missing? I did. I thought it was very odd that my newly [00:08:13] Speaker 2: wife was gone missing. I asked him, did he report it to anybody between 10 o'clock when he first discovered her missing? He told me that she was supposed to get home at 7 o'clock that night on Sunday. He told me that he waited until 10 o'clock for her to get home. When she didn't return home, he told me he drove to Bread and Brew, which was closed. And so 10 o'clock was really when I think, according to him, when he started missing her. Then, so I asked him, I said, well, between 10 o'clock on Sunday and the report on, uh, Monday night to officer Zang, did you contact anybody? And he told me he did not. Um, he, I think his words were, he wanted to make sure it wasn't some kind of freak accident. And then when I say freak accident, he actually said freak accident. And there was some discussion on, well, I freak, if it was a freak accident, I think that's when I would call the police. [00:09:20] Nate Eaton: Now, the detective asked if they could walk through the apartment since she was missing and Zarius reportedly appeared nervous, uh, when they went back to the bathroom, there were new sheets that had been purchased. The detective noticed that, and he questioned about those sheets. He denied buying them, but said his wife purchased them while he was at work. Well, that contradicts the evidence we've heard how he went to Fred Meyer and he ended up going to Lowe's too. Plus the detective noticed that there was a new mattress pad laying on top of the mattress with the fitted sheet underneath it, which was unusual because normally the fitted sheet goes over the mattress pad. So unusual layering is stuck out. It was a red flag. He says he pulled up the new pad only slightly and showed a blue navy colored fitting sheet, which keep that in mind. Cause that comes into play later. Uh, the observations from the detective is that Zarius appeared, appeared nervous, uh, and that, um, he didn't know when she purchased those sheets, as I mentioned, and that the layering was off and then the text message discrepancy. If she left at 10 PM, how could she text her job at 10 44 when her phone was at home? Good point. She texted her work 10 44. We had her coworkers testify to that earlier in the trial that she was going to be late that she wasn't going to be able to make it and, um, not show up. So if the phone's at home, how did she text at 10 44, if she did leave that, uh, he, he just didn't have any answers for the detectives. Um, and she didn't know how to answer that. Well, the searches were immediately called on. We've talked about that. And the detective Clark was impressed by the response that up to 80 people showed up to help search for her more than he's ever seen with police resources. Of course you get the military involved, the army involved, and they're going to be there to help. Army people showed up with their wives, uh, Zarius's battalion and unit showed up. Um, the extensive searches went on from late into the night. They did a mapping plan. They, they mapped out the route Saraya would have taken from the house to the work. And on the ninth hour of the 22nd, or sorry, on the, um, uh, it was a 22 hour day. I should say, they pulled up traffic cameras. They wanted to review those. They coordinated with cops to see if there was any sort of footage anywhere that showed her walking. And there was not no evidence. So at this point, they figure they got enough to get, they have probable cause to get the search warrant and they're going to search the apartment just before Zarius, Zarius was served with the search warrant. Um, he was told to leave the property. He called detectives and the recorded call was played for the jury. It was five minutes in [00:12:10] Speaker 2: length. Here's part of it. Anything ever come from the dogs? Uh, they're still out there looking actually. Okay. What do you, what do you think now that I got you on the phone? What's, uh, what are we missing here? We've been doing this for about two days now. What's, uh, I can't, I can't expect them to help you all the information. Yeah. I, I haven't talked to them, but I've been writing reports all day. I apologize for not being more involved. It's okay. Um, let's, let's, let's figure out what, what we need to do next. I'm, I'm all about getting advice from whoever I can. Uh, I can't really tell you, sir, because I don't really know. You know what I mean? You, you know her best though. Where, where are we going to find this girl at? She's your wife. She's the love of your life, et cetera. Right? Yeah, exactly. I, like I said, uh, I can't really think of anything else that I didn't tell him. Uh, I said University Dog Lake. [00:13:11] Speaker ?: Where is it? University, University Lake Dog Park. Um, would you, would you go over there without the dogs? Uh, no. She wouldn't. Okay. What makes you think we should check over that area? Uh, [00:13:24] Speaker 2: just an area she would frequent with the dogs. Oh, I see. Gotcha, gotcha. And, and still nothing with, uh, did she go out with Marie at all on, uh, Sunday? Or did, did you think Marie's like trying to hide [00:13:38] Speaker 4: something or? Uh, no, Marie's is, Marie's is a tenniscaster. I don't think she has anything to do with it. They're pretty, they're never really violent or anything. Like, they, they really, they can go back and forth. That's pretty, good friends. They're pretty healthy, I would say. Uh, I have a question about that search warrant though. Yeah. Uh, what does it include? Is it like whole house, [00:13:57] Speaker 2: fucking everything? It's, it's the whole house. Yeah, we're just going to check the whole house, make sure we're not missing anything. All right. Are you guys going to go through bags and stuff like that as well? Are we going to do what? Go through bags and stuff like that as well. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to try to go through everything we can. Just make sure we didn't have, make sure we don't have something like, uh, you know, she left a note. Like, hey, I left a note. I'm going to go, you know, I've had enough of this marriage and I'm going to go whatever. You know, you know what I'm saying? Is there something you're concerned about or is there? Um, how soon [00:14:31] Speaker 4: will that search warrant start happening? I didn't really hear what you were saying earlier. [00:14:34] Speaker 2: No, it should happen. Oh, I don't know. Probably within an hour, I would think. [00:14:42] Nate Eaton: So I don't know how well you could hear that. Uh, hopefully you could, but, uh, he asked about the search warrant. Um, and then he, Zarius asked if anything came from, uh, it was asked about the dogs. He had dogs there that they had to put away. What are we missing? Um, where are we going to find this girl? She's the love of your life, right? I really can't say anything else. He said within an hour, he said, he stayed up, they stayed up all night looking for his wife. They thought it was suspicious that obviously someone whose wife is missing goes and buys a large garbage can. Very clear. Uh, they drove out to the, uh, Alpine airport to look for the trash can. They found some trash cans. None of them were brand new. The lawn company had the new trash can. We talked about that last week. Meanwhile, Zarius was by an alcohol and a two liter of Coke. And, um, he's walking back home with the litter, the liquor and the soda pop. So you can see where there's all sorts of alarm bells. Um, he walked through, um, he then went on to talk about how Sarai was found in the sewer and, um, what evidence was taken from the car afterwards. Listen. Okay. And what observations did [00:15:52] Speaker 2: you make when you went to the location? I went to a culvert or an entry to a, basically it would be a sewer or a storm drain in this. It's about this tall, about three feet tall. It's a concrete one. I think we saw pictures of it. It has a very heavy manhole cover on it. One of the big metal ones you see in the middle of the street. It was removed when I got there. Um, her body was still at the bottom of it, which is about a 15 foot drop from the top to the bottom. Uh, there's a, at the bottom of it, it, there's water in it running from, it'd be running south, north. It'd be running from the south, the alpine apartments back towards the north towards Campbell Creek. But at the bottom of it, there's this big tube. So I, I can only assume that once you go into that tube, then you're just on a big tunnel that comes out of Campbell Creek. Um, but as soon as I stuck my face in there, I noticed a very strong odor of gasoline. Uh, I didn't see any indication of burning. I didn't see an indication that the gasoline was started, but there's no doubt in my mind that I smelled gasoline when I looked down [00:17:01] Speaker 3: there. Um, and can you tell the jury, like when you say no doubt in your mind, have you had the unfortunate occasion to experience the smell of decomp, decomposing bodies? Yes, ma'am. I've, uh, [00:17:16] Speaker 2: just since I've been in homicide, I would think I've been involved in probably 150 homicide cases at 28 years on the street. Unfortunately, um, patrol officers are always the first ones at any crime scene, almost 99% of the time. So, uh, even if it's not a crime scene, even if it's, uh, grandpa or grandma dying at home, the police officers have to go there and, uh, and investigate that. Patrol officers are always the first one there. I've smelled unfortunately hundreds, if not thousands of bodies. Um, also just being, uh, uh, any human being that we've all smelled gasoline. I know exactly what gasoline. It wasn't decomp body. It was gasoline. I actually worked, uh, I used to climb into gas tanks and clean them out for almost a year in between the army. And, uh, we'd come out of cop. I'd crawl into the big 300 foot, uh, gasoline tanks and washing them out with a power washer. So I have intimate knowledge of gasoline. And unfortunately, I have intimate knowledge of what a body smells like. [00:18:24] Speaker 3: Okay. So I smelled gasoline when I opened up. Okay. And have you reviewed the photos of the inside of Mr. Hildebrand's vehicle? Yes, ma'am, I did. Okay. And was there a gas, a gas can in the back of his [00:18:37] Speaker 2: vehicle? Yes, ma'am, there was. Also in the bottom, I noticed, uh, some pillows, uh, the same color, navy blue color. Uh, the pillowcase on it was the same navy blue color that I saw on the bed when he lifted up that corner of the mattress. It was the navy blue color underneath the mattress pad. [00:18:57] Nate Eaton: So that's where the sheets come into play again. Prosecutor asked the detective to explain what the difference would be between Saraya being murdered versus a suicide. And, um, the difference would likely be the entry wound. He said, if you're going to shoot yourself, um, it would be different of a self-inflicted gunshot wound versus if someone shot you directly. Here's him, uh, talking a little bit [00:19:20] Speaker 3: more about that. And in the course of this case, have you put some thought into whether it would be possible to use that weapon to self-inflicted, uh, a shot on the left side of her head where Mr., where Ms. Hildebrand, um, was shot? I put a lot of thought into it and it's... [00:19:40] Speaker 2: Objection. Yes, ma'am, I put a lot of thought into it and I made my own determination, I guess, if you will. [00:19:48] Speaker 3: Can you tell the jury what your opinion about that is? Objection. Overruled. [00:19:53] Speaker 2: My opinion is that someone shot her and it's not impossible to shoot yourself in that manner, at that distance, at that angle, it's not impossible. Because everything, last stuff's possible. It's not very probable though. It never happens. I've been to... Objection. Overruled. I've been to hundreds of suicides. Um, every suicide I've ever been to that involved a handgun was a contact wound. Everyone. Not one time have I ever been to what we determined was a suicide, that it wasn't a contact wound, meaning the gun was pressed against the person's... not necessarily skin, but their hat or their hoodie or their body, it was pressed against them. [00:20:40] Speaker 3: That's every single one. Is there usually blood on the weapon when that happens? [00:20:46] Speaker 2: Every single suicide that I've ever been to, in my experience, 28 years on the force, everyone, there's always blood. Uh, I can't say always, but probably 99% there is blood on the weapon, in the barrel, because when it's a contact wound, um, the blood actually comes back into the barrel after the gas is expanded, then pushes blood into the barrel, normally. Now, after the prosecution wrapped [00:21:13] Nate Eaton: up their questions, and again, you can go watch this entire testimony. It's a pretty interesting testimony because, um, this was the final witness, and you generally save your, one of your best witnesses, the final witnesses, where they wrap it all up at the end of the case. The, the defense, it was time for them to cross-examine. They told the detective, they said to the detective that you have confirmation bias, and he wasn't familiar with that concept. We have heard this brought up in other cases. It was brought up in the Corey Richens case and others, where they, they argue that police go in with a, uh, a scenario in their heads of this is how the case is going to be, and you look for clues or hints or evidence to match your, your case in your head. That you go in with it one way and you're like, yep, this matches, plug it in, plug it in, plug it in, versus going in completely open-minded with a blank slate and building your case that way. So the, the defense asked about that. Do, did you have confirmation bias on this? Um, and the, the detective said, I 100% thought he was a suspect. Before the gun and the body were found, I had no doubt in my mind that he killed her. Now, is that confirmation bias? You could argue it, I guess, or argue against it, but in how many of these cases is the husband, is the loved one a suspect? All sorts of people at CrimeCon had shirts that said the husband did it. Um, and the, uh, the interesting thing is that, you know, he said, I, I thought that he did it. Um, the process, the defense went on to talk about, actually pulled out a dummy gun to use, um, in the, in the, in the court, in the case there, uh, to show exactly how the shooting might have played out. The defense implied that the detective had the confirmation bias, then tried to paint him as a trained manipulator when trying to extract information from Zarius. That the, the detective was manipulating Zarius as far as what to tell him. One example that the defense said, telling Zarius the department had cameras everywhere and he'd be able to check to see what he did that day, when the department did not have any cameras. The detective admittedly bluffed to get that information. It's not illegal for cops to lie when they're questioning you. Courts up to the Supreme court have said repeatedly that you can, uh, you can, uh, my computer just buzzed. You can, they can fib to get information out of you. So it, he, he, he did admit that he bluffed to get that information, said there were cameras everywhere to get him to admit. Um, and here's a little bit more of the defense pushing detective Clark on that matter. So you lied. Yes, ma'am. [00:23:50] Speaker 5: And you lie a lot to people when you're discussing, um, cases with them. Is that fair to say? Uh, [00:23:59] Speaker 2: a lot might be a strong word. I don't think it's a lot. You're trained to lie in the course of an [00:24:03] Speaker 5: investigation as a way to solicit what you think is important information, correct? I'm also [00:24:10] Speaker 2: trained to tell the truth and tell them the facts, but if I need to lie to somebody to get them to tell the truth to get past their blatant lies, in my opinion, then I do lie to them. Yes, ma'am. [00:24:23] Speaker 5: So fair to say, in your opinion, are you a convincing liar? Am I a convincing liar? Do you believe yourself to be a convincing liar when you lie in the course of [00:24:33] Speaker 2: your... Uh, not always. No, ma'am. [00:24:36] Speaker 5: And when you're bluffing, what you're really doing is you're telling a lie, correct? [00:24:49] Speaker 2: No, I'm bluffing. Well, in this case, I don't know that it's a lie. It's just an unknown fact, because I didn't know. But I certainly told the truth that we're going to look for video, and I thought, uh, that would warrant some kind of response from him, because he's going to start thinking, oh, they're going to look at video, and they're going to see exactly what happened. [00:25:13] Speaker 5: And we heard that phone call that was face exhibit 349, correct? [00:25:20] Speaker 2: Um, if you say so, I don't know. I can't remember the exhibit number, but yes. That phone call that we [00:25:25] Speaker 5: listened to earlier was that phone call. The phone call that occurred at 10:03 pm. Yes, ma'am. And we hear in you, in the course of that conversation, you making statements to Mr. Hilton Brant, calling him, for example, bro or brother, correct? [00:25:42] Speaker 2: I did call him bro, yes. [00:25:46] Speaker 5: And you told him you were writing reports in that conversation, correct? Is that a question? Is that, did you tell him that you were writing reports? [00:26:03] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:26:07] Speaker 5: In your verbat, in your vernacular, is an affidavit a report? [00:26:14] Speaker 2: Um, it's not an APD report, but I consider it a report because I'm trying to write down the facts as I know them or what was told to me. Okay. And I imagine at some point during that day, I was taking notes and working towards writing my final draft of my report, so. Okay. I like to try to keep on top of it so I can get these exact times correct, so they come up at the right time in court. [00:26:44] Speaker 5: And we hear you in the course of that conversation say things like, "Help me out," to Mr. Hildebrand. [00:26:50] Speaker 2: Absolutely. [00:26:53] Speaker 5: Mr. Hildebrand would always be the best person to ask, correct? [00:26:56] Speaker 2: In my opinion, yes. Okay. [00:26:58] Speaker 5: And again, this is after you applied for your warrant alleging probable cause for murder, correct? [00:27:05] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:27:05] Speaker 5: And so at that time, fair to say you believed Mr. Hildebrand to be a suspect in said murder that you had applied the search warrant for. [00:27:19] Speaker 2: You're asking for my belief? One hundred percent I believed he was a suspect in murder of his wife. [00:27:27] Speaker 5: Before there was a body found? [00:27:28] Speaker 2: Absolutely. [00:27:29] Speaker 5: Before you knew the gunshot range? [00:27:31] Speaker 2: Yes, I had no idea what happened to his wife, but I suspected she was dead. [00:27:36] Speaker 5: You had no idea. [00:27:37] Speaker 2: By his hand. [00:27:37] Speaker 5: And that was your suspicion? [00:27:41] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. That was my suspicion. One hundred percent. And I had no doubt in my mind that he killed her. [00:27:46] Speaker 5: And you shared that with the government, correct? [00:27:48] Speaker 2: I shared it with the government? [00:27:49] Speaker 5: With Mrs. Dunlop. [00:27:50] Speaker 2: I shared the probable cause, the facts, but you were asking about my opinion, I think. [00:27:56] Speaker 5: Suspect. I asked if he was a suspect at that time. [00:28:00] Speaker 2: Yes, I'll ask about my opinion, if he was a suspect, and I answered that. But I, from the affidavit, so for the affidavit, I don't put anywhere in there that I believe a hundred percent that Sharias killed his wife, his new bride. I put, don't put that in there. I put the facts of the case as I understand them. And then I let a judge decide whether there's probable cause to search the resident and his phone records and her phone records. Does that answer your question? Yeah. Thank you, ma'am. [00:28:33] Nate Eaton: The defense had a couple of follow-up questions, and then they were done. And then the prosecution rested. So, it will be interesting to see what the defense has up their sleeves. 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