Congress EXPLODES: MKULTRA, Charles Manson, CIA

[0:00] Let's talk about the MKUltra hearing that Anna Paulina Luna, Republican congresswoman obviously, [0:06] held yesterday. Actually, just a stunning kind of story politically partisan on a partisan basis. So [0:13] if you're not familiar with the authors Stephen Kinzer and Tom O'Neill, you haven't been reading [0:17] enough books. They're, I think, two of the most important authors, honestly, in the history of [0:22] American 20th century politics, books that have come out just in the last decade. I actually went [0:27] back and checked. Kinzer's books have totally changed the way that we see our own government, [0:32] and if you haven't read them, you're missing out on that. But they're fairly recent. His books have [0:37] been, like, last 10, 15 years have totally changed the way, for example, he does have probably the [0:43] most complete book on MKUltra. Which I think was 2019 or something. Right, 2019. I went back and [0:48] checked. That's why it was in the index, because Ryan has cited in the index. It was published in [0:51] 2019. It's called Poisoner in Chief on Sidney Gottlieb. And so Anna Paulina Luna basically [0:56] convened this hearing. And a lot of this is, you know, there's discussion about having a new church [1:02] committee after the Republican Party became opposed to the deep state and got very skeptical of the [1:08] CIA and FBI for a brief moment in time. And now there's, like, remnants of that still happening. [1:13] But convene this hearing to put focus on MKUltra. She's been doing other things as well along these [1:20] lines. She's, for example, hired Jeff Morley to help her look into the JFK file releases, which is also [1:26] very interesting. But this was focused on MKUltra, but also what happened in the past. What the CIA [1:35] still hasn't told us about MKUltra. Kinzer got into that in particular. But whether or not mind control [1:41] is happening right now. And Kinzer and O'Neill, both foremost experts on this, basically said they [1:48] don't have evidence of it, but they would be shocked if it weren't continuing to happen today. [1:52] There were questions specifically about Butler and the Charlie Kirk assassination, as people can [1:57] imagine. So why don't we go ahead and just run a couple of thoughts here from the hearing. This is [2:05] Anna Paulina Luna. Almost 50 years ago, the last congressional hearings into MKUltra took place [2:10] just a short walk from here in the Dirkskin Senate office building. At those hearings convened in August [2:17] in September of 1977, representatives of the CIA told Congress and the American people that its 25-year [2:24] effort to control human behavior had been a colossal failure. Because I believe Congress was never told [2:33] the truth about what this program actually achieved. In fact, I believe the agency misled Congress in 1977 [2:40] when it characterized MKUltra as a failure. [2:43] Is it in your expert opinion that Jack Ruby and Manson were assets of the intelligence agency [2:50] specifically pertaining to MKUltra? Were they MKUltra victims? [2:53] Yeah. Theoretically, Manson, I've never been able to prove absolutely. Jack Ruby, I believe this is [3:01] something else. The Warren Commission investigation on the Warren Commission was Alan Dulles, the former [3:07] CIA director who authorized and ran MKUltra until he was fired by President Kennedy. The liaison to the [3:16] committee for the CIA who handled the information coming from the CIA back and forth to the Warren [3:22] Commission was Richard Helms, who was a direct supervisor of Jolly West. They knew who West was. [3:28] They knew what West was capable of and what they had paid him to do and what he had reported to them that he [3:34] could do, including inducing mental disorders in people. That was never disclosed to the commission, [3:41] as far as anyone knows. So I believe that West was put in there to keep Jack Ruby from telling his story. [3:48] So it was Tom O'Neill and Anna Paulina Luna going back and forth on Manson and Jack Ruby, [3:54] the connections that are Jolly West, Ryan, which are, I mean, damning in a million different ways. Chaos, [4:00] as he just said, doesn't really ever, you're never able to really establish, and this is by design, [4:05] of course, in the CIA, the definitive link, but you have everything you need to know, basically. [4:11] Also, whether or not it was intentional or not, what the CIA ended up doing was seeding an entire [4:19] counterculture. Yes. Ken Kesey famously participated in an MKUltra kind of CIA-led [4:27] acid experiment when he was in the army, or people can Google the exact details of that, [4:35] and he goes on to the Merry Pranksters, and Grateful Dead, and the Hell's Angels get looped [4:47] in with that, and it produces the Northern California kind of counterculture as a result of [4:54] that, like he's, you know, he's driving around the further buses around, and that then takes, [5:00] there's a lot more to what kind of drove the left kind of away from class politics and into [5:10] whatever it became, but that played a significant role in it, creating that detour, and so that's why [5:17] you have some people saying, well, this was intentional on the part of the government to [5:23] disrupt a class politics that was beginning to form in the 1950s between labor unions and civil [5:31] rights groups and anti-war groups. The March on Washington by Martin Luther King was funded by [5:39] the UAW, and that too, and Black people who had moved from the South amid the Great Migration were [5:48] increasingly moving into union jobs, and there was a real threat that this kind of New Deal coalition, [5:56] was adding this element to it that was then going to be hegemonic and then be a real challenge to [6:04] capital, and that the counterculture kind of helped unravel that. So there's an argument that that was [6:11] intentional. I don't know. There's never been any memos or anything that have emerged, but systems are [6:16] what they do, and it is what actually happened. So while they didn't get mind control, they did reshape the [6:23] country. And, you know, this is a good point because this is where Kinzer started saying, [6:27] basically, like, we don't know. They burned all of the files. Like, the MKUltra files were, like, [6:33] famously… Richard Helms. …completely burned. And they were talking at the time about not putting [6:37] a lot of things in writing. Here's Kinzer. This is C2. [6:40] There have been enormous advances in cyber technology, in artificial intelligence, in [6:47] neuroscience. Covert agencies may have access now to tools for mind control that Sidney [6:53] Gottlieb could not even have imagined. It may well have been true in 1963 that mind control is a myth, [7:01] but whether it's still true is uncertain. And that question of whether mind control might now be [7:12] possible under our new circumstances is something that has presumably occurred to scientists who work [7:20] for secret services, including our own. This task force has a chance to connect the past to the future. [7:29] A renewed effort to find MKUltra documents from the 1950s and to fill out the redactions of [7:36] those that have been released might shed new light on how the CIA operated during that period. [7:42] It could also inform a new inquiry into whether any mind control projects are now underway inside [7:48] the U.S. security apparatus. That might help prevent the emergence of a 21st century MKUltra that could [7:55] be even more destructive than the original. Prevent the emergence of a 21st century MKUltra. That's [8:01] what you just heard from perhaps the foremost expert on MKUltra in the world saying that there is a [8:07] legitimate need to potentially prevent a 21st century MKUltra. Another little newsy bit out [8:12] of this is Anna Paulina Luna was talking about Operation Paperclip. This is a wild hearing. I [8:16] watched all of it and saying actually she's going to the German parliament to start trying and finding [8:23] to try and find the victims of MKUltra buried in Germany. Kinzer's book does a lot on this. C3. [8:30] Kurt Bloma who was the chief of biological weapons development for the Nazi government came to work [8:37] for the CIA. So did Walter Schreiber who was the surgeon general of the Nazi army. I can just tell [8:44] a brief story when I was researching my book I found what I think might be the first secret CIA prison or [8:51] black site. It's a nice chalet in Germany and the guy who now owns it took me into the basement. He said these [8:59] were the cells where the MKUltra officers working side by side with Nazis carried out those gruesome [9:08] experiments which were actually just continuations of the experiments that those Nazis had been [9:15] conducting just a few years earlier right down the road. Just for timeline and clarification these [9:20] experiments were happening after the Nuremberg trials correct so the CIA would have known that [9:24] these were crimes against humanity. I looked for an episode in which the Nuremberg doctrines were [9:30] posted on the wall in some MKUltra or CIA office and I was never able to find any indication that [9:36] those Nuremberg principles ever were even consulted much less obeyed. Ren, I'm the last person that needs [9:43] to explain this to you but this has been the domain of the left for decades and instead of actually [9:49] taking this hearing seriously Democrats sent a former NIH director to talk about Trump's [9:58] politicization of science not a non-issue but still just what does that have to do with nothing [10:05] literally nothing what more what more politicization of science could there be than teaming up with [10:11] Nazis to extend their their human their human experimentation right which we did to be clear. [10:17] Right and so let's roll the witness that Democrats choose to bring in for no reason had absolutely no [10:22] relationship to MKUltra was like very much just making that clear and it was an attempt to get [10:28] sound bites into the hearing about Trump so this is C3. And right now we're ceding our leadership in [10:35] biomedical research to China that's what's happening right what about covering up harmful side effects of [10:40] vaccines and the role that the NIH has played in that what do you have to say about that ma'am? [10:48] The U.S. history of human subject protection has evolved greatly numerous research improprieties [10:56] from the 50s to the 70s in the United States including the Tuskegee syphilis study forced [11:02] Congress to establish formally federal I'm not asking you about that it rules you know what I'm [11:07] asking you about I'm asking you about how NIH handled COVID obviously this is supposed to be a hearing [11:13] about MKUltra but when you gave your opening statement and I don't even know why you were called [11:17] to this hearing because you didn't offer anything about MKUltra but since you are here and you're going [11:22] to defend NIH I'm going to call you out on it try not to sound naive right but like there's no reason [11:28] for Democrats not to take an MKUltra hearing seriously and to send somebody who's not just like [11:33] an anti-Trump witness to divert the conversation and and try to kind of troll there was an opportunity [11:41] probably to do something slightly more interesting right and the the politicization of of medicine [11:47] and science may be the kind of worst argument to make in a hearing like this when it is literally [11:53] politically driven as being deployed on defenseless people that the CIA determined were expendable [12:04] that you could they went around the world trying to find people that if they died in these experiments [12:08] in which they were being tortured that nobody would miss them it reminded me of um Cherno Ba's book [12:14] we had we've had him on a couple times um it's about the Ebola outbreak in West Africa but the [12:19] subtitle is corporate gangsters multinationals and rogue politicians in it and there's a chapter in [12:24] that goes through the history of of medical research in Africa which was pioneered um by Germans in uh [12:35] uh amid their genocide which became the model for the genocide that they carried out later in Germany [12:42] and the a lot of the a lot of the kind of discoveries and people involved in this human research in the [12:49] early 1900s in Africa on Africans evolved into the Nazi research which then evolves into the American [12:58] research with literally with the Nazis and also taking place heavily in Africa on subjects who had [13:07] no idea what they were signing up for and then when we're when when there's an Ebola outbreak which is [13:14] going on now and you find people suspicious of western interventions we're like oh look at those those [13:23] you know dumb tribal people who don't understand the genius of modern medicine when [13:30] a significant amount of their the history of their interaction with western medicine was them [13:35] being the unwitting subjects of medical torture O'Neill testified yesterday that USAID was quote [13:41] very likely used as a front for MKUltra and the breathless defenses that we've seen from [13:46] Dems who are just trying to anti-Trump posture about USAID contrasts starkly with some anti-colonial [13:52] activists and active in Africa who would tell you something very different about USAID and I guess [13:57] Iran just to round up the segment I'm hopeful in some way that maybe the DSA aligned candidates who [14:03] come into Congress would be able to do a little bit of at least what Matt Gaetz and AOC did on some [14:08] of these topics like for example AUMF use in what Libya I think they worked together on um maybe you [14:15] would see something that isn't just such a dumb anti-Trump stunt like that in the future yeah let's get some [14:21] of these new DSA people on those committees I think they'll have a much different understanding [14:25] of the history yeah well I would hope so uh because Dems should not be seeding these issues they're no [14:31] right for the picking yeah absolutely hey if you like that video hit the like button or leave a [14:36] comment below it really helps get the show to more people and if you'd like to get the full show ad [14:40] free and in your inbox every morning you can sign up at breakingpoints.com that's right get the full [14:45] show help support the future of independent media at breakingpoints.com