About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of Committee on Public Order and Dangerous Drugs (April 15, 2026) from Senate of the Philippines, published April 15, 2026. The transcript contains 16,883 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.
"local government and civil service government reorganization and professional regulation is now called to order i'd like to request our committee second to kindly acknowledge the resource person's presence for today thank you very much sir we would like to acknowledge the presence of the following..."
[0:56] local government and civil service government reorganization and professional regulation is now
[1:02] called to order i'd like to request our committee second to kindly acknowledge the resource person's
[1:10] presence for today thank you very much sir we would like to acknowledge the presence of the
[1:15] following but not necessary according to rank or seniority sir from the dilg sir we have
[1:23] undersecretary seraphine barreto we also have attorney michelle dulce matthias chief of staff
[1:33] from the department of justice sir we have uh senior state council bernadette c on moco correct me if
[1:46] i'm wrong mom thank you mom from the department of finance sir we have attorney manuel rodriguez
[1:57] thank you sir uh from the civil service commission we have uh attorney ruth unis mean mina diamante
[2:17] uh from the bureau of fire protection sir uh we have the officer in charge uh fire chief superintendent
[2:30] wilberto rico neil a kuantiu we also have uh fire chief superintendent renato b marshall we all also
[2:48] have uh fire chief superintendent belinda b ochave we also have uh fire chief superintendent uh gilbert
[3:01] uh dolot uh dolot uh dolot uh we also have fire senior superintendent uh dolot dolot we also have fire senior
[3:07] superintendent richard v r butante from the bjmp sir we have the jail chief superintendent dennis u rocamora
[3:27] we also have jail chief superintendent hilbert uh m floor we have jail chief superintendent filipinas
[3:39] t fulgencio we have jail chief superintendent maria lorraine tina m manag manang manang manengyao
[3:51] sorry for the pronunciation mo we also have jail chief superintendent analisa bides from the union of
[4:05] local authorities we have attorney ren untalan from the league of provinces we have director
[4:19] angelica angelica sanchez from the province of batangas we have attorney jose marco b de ocampo
[4:30] and the assistant provincial jail warden mr eduardo blanco we also have from the liga
[4:40] ng mga barangay uh honorable darwin a fernandez ncr regional president for your information sir we also
[4:49] sent uh letters to the league of municipalities of the philippines but no representative has appeared
[4:57] we also sent letters and invitation to the uh technical working group of the legislative agenda
[5:04] and policies for the justice sector of the of coordinating council as well as the uh commission
[5:14] on audits audit and for the record sir we have received uh position papers from the following agencies
[5:23] the bureau of jail management from the bureau of fire protection and from the commission on audit
[5:31] we have also received letters of regrets from the commission on audit who has also given us their
[5:37] position papers sir and also from the league of cities of the philippines that's all sir thank you
[5:42] thank you comsec we will now formally begin this meeting the chair would like to give his opening
[5:49] statement maganda maga pumuli sa lahat your committee on public order and dangerous dogs convinced today to
[5:56] take up several proposed measures that seek to strengthen reform and further professionalize our law
[6:02] enforcement and corrections institutions tatalakay po natin ang mga panukalan batas na may kinalaman
[6:09] sa rank classification and organizational strengthening of the bureau of fire and protection and the bureau of jail
[6:17] management and penology layunin ng mga panukalan ito na higit pang linawin ang career progression
[6:25] palakasin ang institutional structure at tiyakin na ang ating uniformed services ay may malinaw
[6:32] professional at makatarungang sistema ng ranggu at organization kasama rin po sa mga panukala sa agenda
[6:41] natin ngayong araw ang mga senate bill na naglalayong isulong ang integration ng provincial and municipal
[6:47] jails sa ilalim ng pamamahala ng bureau of jail management and penology matagal na natin kinikilala ang mga
[6:55] hamo ng fragmentation congestion at hindi pantay-pantay na pamantayan sa pamamahala ng mga detention
[7:02] facilities sa iba't ibang bahagi ng bansa ang mga panukalan ito ay naglalayong tugunan ang mga
[7:08] isyong ito sa pamamagitan ng mas maayos at mas unified na sistema para sa buong bansa
[7:14] kagunay nito nais ko rin ibahagi ang formalatayong nakikipagunayan sa matanggapan ng ating
[7:21] mga provincial governor mula sa Luzon hanggang sa Mindanao upang hingin ang kanilang pananaw sa mga
[7:27] panukalan batas na ito habang hinihintay natin ang kanilang tugun tinitiyak natin binibigyang halaga
[7:33] ng representasyong ito bilang chairman ng committee ang kanilang mga sentimento at posisyon as we
[7:42] proceed with today's hearing we invite our resource persons to provide candid data driven input so that
[7:49] the committee may carefully weigh the policy fiscal and operational implications of these reforms our
[7:56] objectives is simple our objective is simple to ensure that any reform we advance is not only
[8:03] well intentioned but also practical sustainable and responsive to the realities on the ground
[8:09] maraming salamat po at this juncture the chair would like to acknowledge the presence of center
[8:14] uh rafi tulfo thank you sir for joining you might have an opening statement sir thank you thank you mr
[8:19] chair good morning mr chair senator jv hercito and uh resource persons president i would like to
[8:26] express my full support for the passage of these bills providing for the rank classification and
[8:32] organization of key positions in the bureau of fire protection and the bureau of jail management and
[8:38] penology or bjmp now huli na po ang hanay ng bfp at bjmp ang kasalukuyang director ng bfp at bjmp
[8:48] ay katumbas lamang ng major general ng philip national police at armed forces of the philippines with the
[8:55] passage of these measures may tatama po itong sitwasyong ito at ang mga hepe ng bfp at bjmp
[9:02] ay magiging kahanay na ng mga generals ng pnp at afp the chief superintendent will now be at par with
[9:10] the pnp and afp's lieutenant general senior superintendent with major general and so on so forth i'm most
[9:17] supportive of the passage of measures transferring the control and supervision of provincial and
[9:23] sub-provincial jails to the bjmp may sambaga lang po akong gustong hingin sa committing ito i would like
[9:31] the committee on public order and dangerous drugs to ensure that provincial jail guards shall return
[9:36] retain their employment and that they be absorbed by the bjmp once these measures become a law
[9:44] so ayoko po na may mawawalan ng trabaho pero later meron marami po akong mga katanungan
[9:50] clarifications ah na kailangan may bigay sa akin ah ng bjmp lalo na and of course some questions
[9:59] at bfp later mr chair thank you thank you senator tulfo at this juncture will proceed with the items
[10:07] on the agenda for today's public hearing number first item is the senate bill number 2041046 and 1872
[10:17] rank classification and organization of the bureau of fire protection or bfp and the bureau of jail
[10:23] management and penology by centers de la rosa estrada and ejercito likewise the second is uh will be the
[10:32] sale uh senate bill number two zero three eight eight six one one nine six one two seven three and
[10:39] one eight seven two jail integration by centers de la rosa estrada subira subiri mark villar and
[10:45] ejercito to ensure a comprehensive discussion on these vital measures we have invited the resource
[10:53] heads and representatives of our frontline agencies for the ordinary conduct of this presentation they
[10:59] shall be heard in the following order on the rank and organization of the bfp and bjmp to discuss the
[11:10] organizational structure professionalization welfare of our fire and jails here we call we will call
[11:15] first the department of the interior local government next will be beautiful fire protection next is
[11:21] bureau of jail management penology then followed by civil service commission then dvm and then department of
[11:28] finance in the finance in that order so we we now proceed with the first um the dilg for on the rank
[11:38] and classification organization of the uh bfp and bjmp uh usex rapine barretto you're now recognized sir
[11:48] the honorable senators and german distinguished members of the committee and secretariat good morning thank you for
[12:04] this opportunity to present the dilg disposition on the senate bills the rank classification and
[12:14] organization of the bfp and bjmp 204 1046 1872 the department of incoder coordination with the bjmp and bfp
[12:32] fully fully supports the passage of both both subject to the technical observation we outline today this
[12:44] will address critical operational gaps and strengthen our public safety pillars on senate bill number 204
[13:00] the rank classification of bfp and bjmp this measure is essential to modernize rank structure align them
[13:12] with bjmp with pnp parity and the boss morale for our uniformed personnel to serve with equal sacrifice
[13:23] it is your unity of command accountability and effective crisis response constitutionally grounded and
[13:33] operationally vital on section one as our uh recommended technical amendments to insert bjmp and paragraph
[13:53] three to specify regional directors for file protection and jail management with the rank of jail or file
[14:05] brigadier general section three sub b update qualification on the municipal jail warden as jail major with second
[14:22] year bachelor of law or jd with 12 units master's unit then the jail warden as jail lieutenant colonel with second
[14:45] year bachelor plus jd and with master's degree in related field on section four add the file jail lieutenant
[15:01] colonel with salary grade 25 to the rank table for structural complete list kasi hindi po na seeing it
[15:15] the lg commits full support for implementation and inter-agency coordination these reforms will fortify
[15:30] public safety nationwide thank you mr chair and we will submit the committee the approved and signed position
[15:41] paper of the department thank you sir thank you next would be from uh the bfp um mr chair honorable members of
[15:59] the committee pelo public servant magandang umaga po sa ating lahat uh the bureau of our protection stands
[16:05] before you today not to ask for a mere change in titles but to request an essential structural alignment
[16:13] we are proposing the restructuring of organizational rock which is 35 years old already moving from a
[16:21] two-star to a four-star command to ensure our leadership backbone finally matches the immense weight
[16:28] of the mission we already carry the modern fire service is no longer just about putting out fire
[16:35] it has evolved into a multi-domain emergency management agency integrated emergency management
[16:43] system dictates that as the scope of hazards increases the command structure must expand to maintain
[16:50] effective span of control and specialized oversight the bureau of our protection is now operating
[16:58] in high complexity sectors that require sophisticated technical leadership and at the same time
[17:06] on humanitarian assistance in disaster response we are frontline actors in climate resilient
[17:13] operations we take the lead in managing chemical biological radiological and nuclear treats requires high
[17:23] level scientific and technical coordination the bfp provides critical pre-hospital care bridging the gap in
[17:33] the national health emergency framework in the national health emergency framework in anticipation to any
[17:39] major earthquake incidents in the country like the big one our operation now is spun on urban collapse
[17:47] structure search and rescue water and air response necessitating a dedicated logistical and air command
[17:55] vertical the current to start up creates a bottleneck that is no longer fit for purpose given the bfp's current
[18:04] scale the bureau has grown significantly in manpower a two-star rank is mathematically and administratively
[18:13] insufficient to manage a force of tens of thousands spread across a decentralized archipelago on parity and
[18:23] interoperability under the dilg framework and the uniform personnel laws the bureau of our protection operates
[18:31] alongside the pnp the bureau of jail management and penology and even the philippine cost guard and other uniform
[18:39] agencies in joint operations like interagency task forces the bfp's leadership must have the legal and
[18:47] ceremonial standing to sit at the table with equal authority upgrading to a poor star structure provides the
[18:56] legal command weight necessary to implement national development priorities peace security and climate
[19:05] resilience with the same statutory force as our sister agencies to build a world-class fire bureau we must
[19:14] attract also world-class talent by elevating the rank structure we signal to engineers chemists doctors and
[19:23] pilots that the bfp is a premier professional destination with a career ceiling that rewards high level
[19:32] expertise a four-star structure create a more logistical and motivating career path for our people it
[19:40] acknowledges that the risks they take are equal to those of any uniform service fostering a sense of pride
[19:48] and institutional integrity in closing mr chair what we are asking for is straightforward not a higher rank
[19:58] for its own sake but a competency driven legally grounded command structure we need a bfp that can deliver
[20:08] what the filipino people expect from a modern emergency service preventions where possible rapid response when
[20:16] needed and leadership that can coordinate across the whole of government we respectfully ask for your
[20:24] support to ensure that the bfp's organizational backbone is strong enough to support the safety of our nation
[20:32] thank you very much mr chair for this opportunity to raise this matter to your committee thank you fire
[20:38] chief superintendent wilberto one two uh next is uh for uh the bureau of jail management and uh penology
[20:48] uh chief superintendent uh jail chief superintendent dennis rocamora thank you mr chair to the honorable
[20:58] chairperson of the senate committee on public order and then yours drugs senator jb health
[21:02] this officer to senator rapido sir to the distinguished guests ladies and gentlemen magandang umaga po sa inyong
[21:11] lahat i am chief superintendent dennis rocamora the deputy chief for administration of the bjmp and i am
[21:19] representing director rivera who is now on leave the bjmp appreciates the opportunity to contribute to the
[21:28] the crucial discussions on amending republic act number 9263 as amended by republic act 9592
[21:36] regarding the rank classification and key positions within the bureau of fire protections and the bureau of jail
[21:42] management and penology the bureau commends the committee's commitment to legislative duty
[21:48] by allowing the jail bureau to present its official stance on this professional measure
[21:55] initially created through the passage of republic act 6975 and enacted on january to 1991 the bjmp was
[22:04] established as a line bureau under the dilg to oversee district city and municipal jails separating jail
[22:12] management from the philippine constabulary integrated national police over the years the bjmp has
[22:18] progressed especially with the enactment of republic act 9263 which focused on the professionalization of
[22:25] the bjmp and bap by upgrading rank qualification standards standardizing salaries and establishing
[22:33] career development programs for personnel this law further enhanced the delivery of services for
[22:39] dual management which now significantly focuses on rehabilitation and reformation for the integration
[22:48] of pdl to our society with the aforementioned laws ra 6975 and ra 9263 which date back to roughly 35 years and
[23:00] 22 years respectively added to the fact that there have been numerous changes in our world today
[23:06] including but not limited to innovations in technology evolving societal norms and environmental problems we
[23:15] acknowledge the pivotal fact that this law require amendment or revision hence the jail bureau respectfully
[23:22] request for the passage of this bill as part of the uniform service of the philippines the bureau of
[23:29] jail management and penology is committed to upholding the constitutional guarantee of public safety
[23:35] through the enforcement of its mandate that is ensuring that pdl are safely kept within the jail facilities
[23:43] during trial or when a judge to serve their sentence as a form of reparation to the victims while
[23:50] simultaneously providing reformation and rehabilitation programs designed to reintegrate offenders into
[23:56] society thereby promoting restorative justice at present the bay gmp has 26 839 personnel and this number
[24:08] continues to grow in response to the ever increasing need for manpower to assist in the rehabilitation
[24:14] of offenders through its relevant programs with the end goal of this decreasing recidivism while the
[24:22] jail bureau's manpower may not be as vast as that of its counterparts such as the armed forces of the
[24:28] philippines or the philippine national police its vital contribution to maintaining society's peace and
[24:34] order cannot be discounted hence the proposed rank structure and reclassification of both the bay gmp and
[24:41] bfp are fitting while the bay gmp services are focused on jail matters the bf provides an equally relevant
[24:50] service just as the members of other uniformed services or agencies thus keeping the agency ranks
[24:58] equal among the tribunal is the state's recognition of equality among equals in conclusion the said reform is
[25:06] a noble and welcome change for a greater improvement of the uniformed service thank you very much sir
[25:13] thank you next on the list is um from the civil service commission um the chairperson is represented by
[25:22] attorney ruth unis mina diamante office for legal affairs ma'am you have the floor good morning your
[25:30] honors good morning everyone pursuant to the constitutional mandate of the civil service commission to promulgate
[25:37] policies standards and guidelines for the civil service and adopt plans and programs to promote
[25:44] economical efficient and effective personnel administration in the government we shall confine
[25:51] or the civil service confine shall confine its position relative to civil service matters
[25:58] and human resource management and administration in the public sector accordingly the csc submits the
[26:05] following position on senate bill numbers 204 1046 and 1873 or the rank classification and organization
[26:16] of the bfp and the bjmp the proposal to use the rank titles in the afp of the philippines for the bfp and
[26:25] the bjmp officers will place the latter at par with their counterparts in the philippine national national
[26:32] police which now utilizes military ranks which now utilizes military ranks under ra 11200 or an act
[26:39] providing for the rank classification of the pnp amending for the purpose section 28 of ra 6975 the bfp and
[26:50] the bjmp just like the pnp are agencies created pursuant to ra 6975 and form part of the public safety sector of
[27:00] the dilg thus this agency should be treated alike the civil service commission would like to highlight
[27:10] that despite the military ranks that are proposed for the bfp and the bjmp those whose appointing
[27:18] authority is not the president are still covered by section 41 and section 10 of ra number 9263 or the
[27:28] bureau of fire protection and bureau of jail management and penology penology professionalization act of
[27:34] 2004 which will not be amended by the proposed bills on senate bill numbers 206-886-1196-1273 and 1872
[27:50] or the jail integration act the civil service commission commends the intent of the bills to consolidate all
[27:58] provincial provincial sub-provincial districts city and municipal jails under a unified framework
[28:06] thereby ensuring the adoption of a uniform and standardized policy for the administration
[28:13] and super supervision of local jails ultimately promoting more effective inmate rehabilitation nevertheless
[28:22] we sub we we post that we posted the following position section 5 of sb 1872 provides
[28:34] all personnel of provincial and sub-provincial jails unless removed for a cause may be absorbed by the
[28:42] bjmp provided that such guidelines must be consistent with the provisions of ra 9263 and its implementing rules
[28:53] the csc respectfully manifest that the absorption of the provincial and sub-provincial jails in the bjmp will
[29:03] have significant implications for existing employees particularly those occupying first level positions
[29:13] it must be noted that when the bjmp ranks were professionalized under ra 9263 and 9592
[29:22] the minimum education requirement was upgraded to completion of baccalaureate degree and consequently
[29:29] the corresponding eligibility requirement was upgraded to second level eligibility in this regard it is
[29:38] recommended that approvision that a profession be included to allow existing employees of provincial and
[29:46] sub-provincial jails who do not currently meet the qs or the qualification standards an opportunity to comply with the required
[29:55] qualification standards within a specific period example five years or during the five years transition period in order to be absorbed into the bjmp
[30:07] relatedly section five of sb number two oh three eight eight eight six one one nine six and one two seven three
[30:15] provides provided that the bjmp shall take proactive measure in training and enhancing the capacity
[30:26] of employees and personnel of provincial and sub-provincial jails to obtain the necessary qualifications
[30:33] provided provided further that those who will fail to comply with the qualification standards
[30:39] at the time of the transfer shall be given five years from the lapse of the transition period as provided
[30:46] in this act to complete the necessary requirements for the concerned position the foregoing provision may
[30:54] be adapted to ensure the existing employees who do not yet meet the qs for absorption into the bjmp are
[31:02] afforded a reasonable and definite period within creates to comply with the requirement for
[31:09] their respective positions lastly as regards section seven of sb number one eight seven two
[31:16] it provides that a special oversight committee shall include the civil service commission
[31:23] as a member in this regard the csc the csc respectfully expresses reservation regarding the membership
[31:32] in the oversight committee considering that as issues arising from the implementation of the proposed
[31:37] bill may be brought before the csc for resolution that's all for the civil service commission your
[31:43] honors thank you thank you next uh is uh from uh from the department of mad department budget management
[31:54] is not yet here so we go first to the department of finance represented by attorney manuel rodriguez good
[32:04] morning good morning good morning your honors uh your honors we are yet to submit our official
[32:09] position paper on this subject matter however i think it is safe to say that we are retaining our
[32:15] previous position in a sim in the similar bill that was filed in the previous congress congress or congresses
[32:22] uh wherein we recognize the objective and institutionalization of efficient and competent jail
[32:29] services that may be well be performed by a government agency that is specialized in its operation however
[32:35] we defer the proposed transfer of provincial provincial jails to the bja of the bj bjmp to the dilg having
[32:45] jurisdiction and authority over the bjmp as regards to the budget we defer the subject matter to the
[32:52] department of budget and management however we note however that funds currently dedicated to implement
[32:58] priority programs within a government agency would have to be realigned under the proposed
[33:05] scheme potentially affecting or displacing already existing programs hence any proposed funding from
[33:12] national government should be subject to fiscal programming and the usual budgetary process to
[33:16] ensure that scarce government resources are properly allocated in accordance with the spending
[33:21] priorities that support the country's growth and development that would be all for now for the
[33:27] department of finance your owners okay thank you so now uh probably before we tackle the other
[33:36] bills on on jail integration probably we can already start with the discussion on the ranking class
[33:44] fee organization of vfp and bjmp so uh the centers will be asking questions already center tool is here
[33:53] maybe have some concerns with the bfp and the bjmp so you now have the floor um actually uh mr chair
[34:00] uh um yung question ko so mga policies nalang nilano at saka yung mga nangyayari sa loob ng let's start
[34:08] with the bfp um and then based on the people that came to my program to complain um as a matter of
[34:17] fact uh more than a couple of weeks ago i was very um very happy uh nung mag-announce si
[34:24] dlg secretary john vicrimulia at uh kanyang in-expose tungkol doon sa rocket
[34:31] ng bfp award 15 billion pesos annually from inspection rocket bakit po ako natua dahil for the first time
[34:40] ever isang dlg secretary nag-expose nito kasi matagal na po ito nangyayari even when i was still a
[34:47] broadcaster many many years ago decades ago i've been exposing this but nobody was listening to me
[34:53] ngayon si dlg secretary mismo nag-expose na totoo po ito at hindi pwede mag deny itong mga taga bfp
[35:00] na ang pinaka rocket dyan ay iyong fire extinguisher kinocorner nila ang fire extinguisher
[35:07] ah bentahan ah pabor doon sa kanilang ah kasabwat na manufacturer at yung iba na gustong pumasok para mag provide
[35:20] ah fire extinguisher hindi na nakapasok ah now ang tanong ko sa mga taga bfp ano po yung mga ginagawa niyong
[35:31] ah polisya ngayon nang hindi na maulit ito at magiging malinis na po talaga ang pagpapatakbo
[35:40] ng bfp when it comes to inspection mga fire extinguishers wala na ba talaga ah hindi na talaga ba maulit um
[35:51] mr chair for now um as instructed by no less than the honorable secretary all our first safety
[35:59] inspectors are now wearing a bodyburn camera to be able to monitor their actions but it's not only on
[36:07] that particular matter mr chair the bold move of the bfp is to relieve the 902 fire safety inspectors
[36:16] and metro manila and other regions will soon follow this may be result to inadequacy of the
[36:22] number of first safety inspectors as part of our mandate in the enforcement of the fire code what
[36:29] we did last thursday we are able to discuss this situation to ppsc and fti for this school to offer
[36:37] courses pertaining to fire safety inspection so this morning mr chair those people who are removed from
[36:44] their posts is undergoing a reintegration and reorientation program and that is why i came
[36:50] late because i talked to them this morning and the new designated fire safety inspectors
[36:57] are also into this program undergoing a 40 hours um fire safety inspection training for them to be
[37:05] equipped on the knowledge and at the same time we incorporate integrity in ethical standard for their
[37:11] actions yes sir may i interrupt okay uh maganda yun uh dapat meron silang suot na body worn camera in
[37:19] fact isa ako sa mga nagsuggest niya noon during a a budget hearing hindi lang sa bfp but also sa
[37:26] other uh agencies na ating gobyerno pero sinasabi mo pag susuot na body worn camera hindi naman
[37:31] siyempre sa harap nung habang nakasutang camera gagawa ng transaksyon yung mga tauhan ninyo pwede naman
[37:36] gumawain sa labas tama we recognize that mr chair now another way na para ma-distinguish
[37:43] nyo nung kung meron ba talagang nangyari pa rin anomaly mr chair pag pupunta ka sa mga buildings
[37:49] sa mga mall pare-parew yung brand kumbaga isang brand lang ng fire extinguisher ang nakalagay
[37:57] sa lahat ng business establishments that should raise a red flag so are you doing some inspections
[38:07] pupunta ka sa lahat ng mga condo units sa lahat ng mga malalaking business establishments
[38:11] bakit iisa lang ang brand ng fire extinguishers kasi kung iisa lang brand ng fire extinguishers
[38:17] ibig sabihin yun yung pinaburan ng bfp inspectors of course with the blessings of the higher up
[38:24] sa bfp mr chair um we continue doing uh the monitoring on this uh anomalies in practices but what we
[38:34] did for for this time is to inform the public that the bfp is not into recommending any kind and any
[38:44] brand of fire extinguisher as well as the expiration because it's not the duty of the bureau fire to
[38:51] recommend we are not into business and to tell the the uh establishment owners that there's a need for
[38:57] you to uh refill or to recondition in a yearly basis because it's very clear under nfa standard that uh
[39:04] the fire extinguisher has no expiration but rather for the establishment owner and their safety officer
[39:13] to ensure it that it is operationally ready then uh we already instructed our regional directors to
[39:22] constantly monitor on this particular anomalies of engaging into the business practices of dealing
[39:29] a certain brand of fire extinguisher mr chair a follow-up question also uh what's your name uh again
[39:37] sir uh chief superintendent rico quantia sir okay chief superintendent another observation that i had in the
[39:45] the past ay yung mga uh personnel ninyo sa uh bfp ay kasosyo o director sa mga manufacturer
[40:01] of fire extinguisher is that something that you have already investigated because in the past ako
[40:06] mismo na research ko yun at in expose ko nga sa radio program ko yun so ngayon ba gumagawa kayo
[40:13] ng investigation baka meron dyan mga kamaganak misis pamangkin ng mga taga bfp na
[40:20] na eh kasama sa manufacturers manufacturers ng fire extinguishers yes sir isa po yan ngayon
[40:31] sa tinitingnan namin kasi nga po uh umabot na sa amin na hindi lang ho certain brand ang
[40:38] uh nire-recommenda kundi yung sarili pa nilang uh negosyo dahil nga ho may mga uh kasamahan
[40:45] kami na nag engage and that is a conflict of interest it is part of our monitoring uh mr chair
[40:51] uh we send the public the this particular platform of a reklamo para immediately ma-inform
[40:57] po ang bfp kung mayroon mga anomalies na nangyayari and second mr chair we will be doing a multi-stakeholder
[41:03] uh forum to discuss these things and i plan uh hopefully mr chair that i can establish uh bfp and
[41:11] industry advisory council so we can uh on uh on a regular basis we can immediately address this
[41:19] particular concern of engaging anomalies within the the guise of fire safe inspection mr chair
[41:25] mr chair um ang modus operandi ito mga taga bfp uh kapag hindi bumili ng fire extinguisher doon sa
[41:36] nirekomenda nila o pag-aari ng mga kasamahan nila iniipit yung permit yun yung sumbong na palagi
[41:45] kong natatanggap noon pa and i've been exposing that time and time again kaya again sabi kanina i was very happy
[41:51] when uh sir diary secretary john vick rebullia in exposed itong kalukuhan na nangyayari sa bfp
[41:58] hopefully sana matigil na po talaga ito um yes yes mr chair uh we assure you that uh this kind of
[42:07] anomalies and practices done uh by very few uh personnel with all due respect to the men and women of the
[42:14] bfp a very few ones who who are doing this this kind of practices uh we initiated what we call a
[42:22] flaming sword or plan to ensure that this anomalies is being monitored and acted immediately
[42:28] and uh soon we will be adopting a bin scheme or a business id number uh inspection scheme that no
[42:39] fire safety inspector will identify a certain establishment to be inspected but rather it will
[42:44] be a system generated kind of inspection order there will be no uh wala akong babalik na inspector na
[42:50] mag inspect sa same establishment so we can monitor on the makikita ho anong mali then it will be
[42:55] like the lto renewal of registration that establishment renewed their fsic on demand corresponding to the
[43:01] last number of their bin para ho we can distribute and we can easily monitor anomalies mr
[43:06] ano po katagal o meron bang deadline para may release na po yung permit ng isang establishment
[43:12] kasi habang tumatagal wala namang kayong sinasabi halimbawa sa bfp in fairness they're not gonna say
[43:17] anything na hoy you need to come up with something pero iniipit tumatagal yung pag-release
[43:23] ng permit napipilitan itong business owner to come up with something na para mapabilis na
[43:29] yung proseso so dapat meron kayong deadline meron kayong number of days na allowed na after that
[43:35] kailan marilis na yes mr chair we have a citizen charter in accordance to the ease of doing business
[43:41] act there is a certain number of days that this particular establishment can secure their fsic
[43:48] pag hindi ho pumasok dun yung number of days then the the fire stations whoever will be the firm is
[43:55] answerable to this problem mr chair uh rest assured that we will uh go into that that particular
[44:00] situations and uh the the citizen charter is uh already uh being uh disseminated all over the
[44:06] countries and we we will post that in our in our uh page so that people can see the number of days
[44:12] the calendar of days that they must uh secure these necessary permits coming from the bfp last
[44:17] question na lamang sa bfp mr chair um last year nag-ikot po ako sa mga manufacturing company
[44:27] nabotas um dyan sa kapanaba kalookan and lahat na napuntahan namin kasama yung mga taga bfp i don't
[44:37] know if yung mga nung mag ikot ako meron meron bang kasama doon wala ata sila dito halos lahat sila hindi
[44:48] na inspect ng bfp yung mga fire extinguishers kung na inspect man hindi ko alam bakit nakalusot
[44:56] pa rin a is it because kunti lang yung fire extinguishers doon walang kikitain or b no mag inspect
[45:04] nakapikit nakapiling yung mata habang ginagawa inspection because when i was there nakita ko eh
[45:11] mismo yung taga bfp inspector nakasama ko nagsabi senator expired na ito senator dapat hindi ganito ang
[45:19] pagkapuesto ng fire extinguishers dapat mas malaki dapat yung may gulong dapat doon hindi sa kaliwa
[45:25] sa may kanan dapat meron fire exit et cetera very important po mag inspect kayo sa mga
[45:32] manufacturing company kasi marami po mga empleyado doon during working hours what happens kung may
[45:37] nasunog di marami matutusta ng mga manggagawa natin and yet hindi nyo po in inspection siguro
[45:43] dahil kukunti lang ang kikitain those fire extinguishers or kung hindi man like i said
[45:48] earlier inang kapiling ang mata dahil meron ng envelope i'm sorry for the word sir
[45:54] uh yes sir as uh stated earlier we will be adopting the what we call the bin wala
[46:00] hung uh may iiwan ng establishment at may inspect ko sila on the right on the right calendar days
[46:05] because of this business id number uh the last digit of their uh number will be will represent the
[46:11] month we counted already in calculate uh number of establishment versus the calendar days for
[46:17] inspection uh res assured that we will look into this matter uh i was the ground commander of the
[46:21] kentex fire and i don't want the same thing to happen again so uh we we will uh we recognize
[46:28] your your observation mr chair and uh we we look into this uh this particular matter to uh to ensure
[46:34] that all establishments prior to their operation especially those establishments operating a very
[46:39] hazardous situations will be inspected and properly addressed
[46:42] that uh yes mr chair um we already have an initial coordination with the ots uh with uh with uh
[47:03] general cruz and i told him that there's a need for us to really implement this kind of safety because
[47:11] there are so many many questions sir jurisdiction yes mr chair are not doing their job because
[47:18] nag-inspected in ako last year so napakarami mga buses expired yung mga fire extinguishers so pag
[47:24] nagkaroon ng sunog useless hindi masasalba yung mga pasahero um there will be a total
[47:32] coordination with the ots mr chair and we will add this this month ganon din po sa mga barko expired yung
[47:37] mga fire extinguishers ang iba so ibig sabihin hindi rin kayo nag-inspect di ba kasama rin sa
[47:42] responsibility nyo basta fire extinguishers pinag-usapan dapat kayo po nag-inspect mr chair in uh for
[47:48] vessels it's the marina marina what we are into is when the vessel is on dock in case of fire uh
[47:57] audiences and incident it's the the pfp will take charge okay well then may i inspect ako isang barko yung
[48:02] exit nila eh nakakandado nakatali sira o dapat nasa po sa inspection sabi ko nga dun sa kapitan ng
[48:11] barko paano kung nagka sunog o malulubog ng barko hindi makatakas yung mga pasahero dahil
[48:16] serado yung pinto yung fire exit nila mr chair it is within the marina authority uh for vessels uh it's
[48:23] not part of uh the mandated functions of the pfp but coordination is being uh we will observe the
[48:29] coordination with the marina so lastly mag-inspect po kayo sa mga factories ano po yes
[48:34] dahil marami tayo mga gagawa dyan everyday by the hundreds they're working there uh mainit tapos
[48:40] walang fire exit in fact meron ng incidents in the past many years ago na natos tayo mga uh
[48:48] manggagawa dahil sinesira ng mga owners ng factory yung mga fire exits kasi iniisip nila baka
[48:55] magnakaw magpuslit ng mga produkto that's why they locked it nang nagkaroon ng sunog ilan mga
[49:01] magagawang na sunog so you have to inspect please itong mga uh factories okay thank you mr
[49:09] chair uh
[49:11] sure
[49:11] just a follow-up siguro
[49:12] yung po sa mga usually fire exit kaya mga doors diba dapat uh chief superintendent nagkaroon
[49:19] tayo ng dati problema yung ozone dahil yung pagbukas yung pinto yung flow po ng uh
[49:25] does the bfp check on that also yes mr is part of the
[49:28] of this yes mr chair is part of the safety requirements it depends on the type of occupancy
[49:34] mr chair just a quick question to follow uh doon sa linya ni senator tulfo as the one who is
[49:41] defending the budget of the dilg which includes the bfp how uh how effective is the use of body worn
[49:49] cameras for the fire inspectors maganda yan no at least uh tuwing may inspection sila
[49:54] are all inspectors required to wear the body worn cameras now yes mr chair before a fire safety
[50:01] inspection to be conducted the fire safety inspector must wear as instructed by the secretary
[50:06] where the body worn camera uh it's effective because uh we're able to monitor uh unfortunately
[50:13] um it's limited uh it uh that's why i missed my next question yes how we uh what is the inventory
[50:20] of our present body worn cameras now sa bfp and how much more do we need para itong sa darating
[50:26] na budget season mapaghanda na po natin yes sir for now around 50 percent covers the fire safety
[50:32] inspector kayo mag-antayan matapos yung isa sir bago makapag inspect but hopefully we will be able
[50:37] to secure more in the future so that everybody who will be conducting fire safety inspector will have
[50:41] the the body worn camera hey thank you yes uh ito paano ito ay talamak na reklamo in fact i have a
[50:52] friend i'm not gonna mention her name na kapag may nasusunugan kadalasan ninanakawan yung nasunugan at
[51:00] sino po yung nagnanakaw e taga bureau fire alam nyo po yun ano i'm sure you cannot deny that so anong steps
[51:08] ang ginagawa ninyo para maiwasan na po yung nasunugan ka na nga tapos inaasahan mo yung
[51:15] bureau fire magsisave nung mga properties mo yun pala nanakawi ng mga taga bureau fire ng mga
[51:20] bombero mismo um mr chair uh part of our far ground management now is for the ground commander and the
[51:28] safety officer to look uh and uh check uh all um responders in the bfp of uh possible looting we
[51:36] called it looting mr chair it's the thing of the past already mr chair and uh no sir it's still
[51:41] happening that that is why mr chair na matagal na hong nangyayari na hanggang ngayon nangyayari
[51:45] pa rin siya uh kaya ho mr sir uh mr chair uh ginagawa namin yung fire ground management uh
[51:52] supervisions of our ground commanders but this is not only about bfp we will include those who are who
[51:58] board the the other fire trucks coming from from uh our auxiliaries uh there was an incident in one of
[52:05] uh the the mall in uh in uh near uh balintawak uh that there was a looting incident and uh with
[52:14] with this with this uh fast we called it a fire auxiliary service that we will establish within our
[52:19] bureau to uh make sure that all these auxiliaries is uh will be counted properly uh it will be part of
[52:26] the fire ground management uh so meron kayong ground commander yes nandoon habang ginagawa nila
[52:32] yung mga bombero yung karang trabaho habang napula yung sunog and then after that minomonitor
[52:37] nyo kung nasaan yung mga yes mr chair and then in inspect nyo yung mga saka nila bago
[52:42] uh umuwi ng fire station dun palang sa ground ipapa check out namin yung mga sasakyan yung mga
[52:47] suot na banker codes nila sasakyan na yung fire trucks mr chair at sakay yung mga suot
[52:51] sorry so you were born yesterday hindi hindi nilalagay sa fire trucks of course nilalagay nila may
[52:56] court may kasabot sila na may kotse private vehicle at dun nila sa trunk nilalagay yung mga
[53:02] nanakaw nila it's not a fire truck kasi pag fire truck of course very obvious maraming tao nakatingin
[53:07] usually pa simply pinapasa sa masakyan ah hindi nyo pala alam yun sir uh mr chair may mga nababilitano
[53:15] kami and that is why we intensify this uh fire ground management uh functions of our ground commander that
[53:21] will maybe extend to uh even in the fire scene that uh this this uh these officers will be looking
[53:27] into how the firefighters inside the boarding building doing kasi mr chair nung panahon pa ito hindi pa
[53:34] hindi itong present administration yung kahadiyero yung maliit maliit dalawa na ano na bumbero buhat buhat
[53:42] at nilagay sa kotse tapos once na nilagay sa kotse scared na na at pinapalabas na yung kahadiyero
[53:50] ay ang may ari nung kahadiyero ay yung nasusunugan pero wag ka yung pala e bumbero na inalis lang muna
[54:00] ang damit para maikarga yung mga nanakaw sa loob ng kotse sa loob ng trunk and then once nakatakas
[54:07] na yung sasakyan babalik ulit doon susuot na ng uniforme nila so that is something that you have to
[54:13] yes we recognize that uh mr chair and i would like also to share mr chair that uh there are also
[54:18] firefighters who nagsaulit din po ng mga uh nasave nilang mga precious or cash dun sa mga nasunugan
[54:26] but as i said we recognize this this is happening and we have to uh look into this one uh closely so
[54:32] we can avoid the same incidents to happen thank you okay mr chair salamat yung admission is very
[54:39] important para ma-address mo yung problema kasi pag nag-deny ka parang ma-address yung problema if
[54:44] you keep on denying in this case i really um commend you and i salute you sir uh for admitting to those
[54:51] sa lahat ng mga nabanggit ko na mga nangyaring katiwalian at uh ginagawa nyo para magawa nyo ng
[54:56] paraan salamat po thank you center tool for likewise siguro if i may add um we are doing
[55:03] everything though to to give the men and women of uniform in uniform uh the benefits that they deserve
[55:11] so inaasahan din namin na magiging maayos ang kanilang pag uh sa kanilang tungkulin na sana po
[55:19] uh mawala ni mga ganito we don't hear of these things we hear about these things
[55:24] naririnig din mo na natin yun talaga legit yung mga binanggitin center tool for so sana po kami
[55:32] mo on the part of the senate siguro tulad na lang nung albawa subsistence allowance ng uh uniform
[55:38] personnel ng b pnp bfp and uh uh bjmp and coast guard lahat po yan in increase ng senado no alab
[55:48] po niyan from 150 pesos a day to 350 pesos a day lahat ng pwede natin bigay now we are talking about the
[55:55] upgrading uh uh of the ranks approving of uh itong uh classification of the ranks uh for the
[56:02] improvement of the agencies kaya we also did expect the same amount the the honest service
[56:10] no so yun naman na natin we uh propose those things lalo na itong increase in subsistence
[56:17] allowance during the budget hearings it was an it was an intervention by the senate and if
[56:23] approved and supported by central tool and the rest of our colleagues in approval namin yan so we
[56:28] expect the the same amount of service simply tapat no so yun po so now we can go on um tanong
[56:37] ko lang tungkol po dito sa proposed measures regarding um uh uh republic up 9263 amending
[56:46] amendment no yung pong uh upgrading of the rank structure and organization hierarchy of both the
[56:52] bfp and the bjmp the intention appears to align the leadership structure with operational demands
[56:59] and evolving public safety responsibilities the chair is very supportive the men and women of the
[57:04] bfp and the bjmp as you know we have filed this proposed measures because we believe that we will not
[57:10] only improve the economic situation of our bfp and bjmp personnel kaya nga asa natin mas magiging
[57:17] tapat po sila dahil ini improve sinusubukan natin mapaganda yung kanila pong uh uh compensation
[57:24] no so for the record uh para sa alam na kanbayan what how how will this restructure
[57:32] concretely improve command efficiency and service delivery on the ground siguro pwede nang magsimula
[57:39] ang ano ang ating ano si bfp then bjmp as uh earlier stated on my uh opening statement mr chair that uh
[57:51] providing a an additional rank to bfp somehow motivate and uplift the entire moral of the
[58:00] organizations at par with our counterpart but this is not about you know um yun bang tinitingnan
[58:07] lang ho namin nakapantay namin yung police i have classmates in the pnp uh who are soon to become
[58:12] three-star generals and me myself is only two stars it's not about that it's really about the evolution
[58:18] of the fire service mr chair that the functions of the bfp under the republic at 11589 on the
[58:24] modernization expand too much hindi na ho yung makalumang bumbero mr chair na pumapatay
[58:30] lang ng apoy ang laki na ho na naging responsibility and how to in these expert people joining the bfp is
[58:36] for looking that there is a future in the bfp because they will be soon getting a four-star
[58:40] rank mr chair that's all okay thank you so bjm uh bjmp chief uh james chief superintendent dennis
[58:49] thank you mr chair sir as far as the region is concerned the bjmp is almost similar to the
[58:56] organization structure of bjmp is almost similar to the pnp sir we have the chief the command group then
[59:02] the director of directorates and the regional directors so under the current setup sir two
[59:08] star lang yung chief tamin so wala na sir napupuntahan yung iba pang nasa kasunod niya hindi na po
[59:16] whereas uh the bjp organization is uh lumalaki ng lumalaki habang tumatagal because we were given
[59:22] uh additional of two thousand yearly so nagiging yung pyramidal structure sir ng manpower requirement
[59:29] dapat eh hindi na sir nasusunod nagiging masyadong marami na na sa ibaba then sa taas
[59:34] sir masyadong mataas kaya kasi parang na na li limit na lang yung uh mga positions or ranks na
[59:41] pwedeng puntahan ng iba namin mga senior officers so the same with the pnp and aap sana sir uh
[59:47] magka pareho lang rin kami ng structure so dapat ganun na rin sir yung magiging structure ng bjmp
[59:53] okay okay thank you so how will the proposed hierarchy improve crisis response pag improve
[59:59] the man of jail management and fire operations nationwide uh mr chair mayroon i go ahead
[1:00:10] that's just a pjmp and so that i can go and i go and then we will go to after senator tulfo's
[1:00:16] questioning we'll go back to dbm quickly for their position no nakazume na uh yung pong
[1:00:23] uh ating pong uh representing sa dbm yes sir dbm um a couple months ago may pumunta sa aking uh pdl na
[1:00:32] release na um after he was released galing siya sa suong city jail sa lapo-lapo cebu tama that's under bjmp yes
[1:00:42] sir correct sir um alam ko kapag ikaw ay uh convicted siya uh alam ko pag sa mga city jail ninyo one to
[1:00:53] ilan years lang dapat one to three years up to three years but he was uh detained for 14 years
[1:01:04] ano nangyari doon yes sir there were instances wherein the pdl has multiple cases say for example
[1:01:10] in this one particular case he is already convicted and sentenced to suffer three years but he has
[1:01:16] other pending cases that are still undergoing litigation in the local okay that's why he's not
[1:01:22] transferred to now nung pumasok siya he was just an ordinary guy when he came out he became a
[1:01:29] millionaire so ang question ko pinapayagan nyo na magnegosyo ang isang pdl one to sawa wala kayong
[1:01:39] ginagawang uh regulation uh wala kayong ginagawang monitoring otherwise hindi naging milyonaryo to of
[1:01:45] course syempre kaya naging milyonaryo to meron ding naging milyonaryong taga bgmp kung may biya
[1:01:50] sa labas may biya din sa loob kaya lang bgmp personnel so how did that happen at isa pa mr.
[1:01:57] chair ah alam ko sa sa policy ninyo sa telephone calls binibet nyo muna limang relatives
[1:02:08] nang isang pdl ililista ibibet ibibet ibibet ibibigay sa inyo nung nung pdl tapos ibibet nyo
[1:02:17] talagang relative shot and then lima na professional pare abogado di ba lawyer et cetera in hindi
[1:02:27] yata kayo gumagawa ng ganon tong ganon klase monitoring how because yung pumunta sa akin
[1:02:32] nagbibenta siya ng telephone card uh electronic telephone card at one to sawa pwede magtawag
[1:02:41] kahit sino pwedeng tawag kahit sino kaya yung mga pdl sa loob kunyari drug lord ka eh pwede
[1:02:49] magtawag pwede tuloy pang negosyo mo sa labas kasi one to sawa ang pagtawag mo ng paggamit
[1:02:56] telephone at tawagan mo kung sinong gusto mo sa labas yes uh mr cherry honor uh nangyayari
[1:03:01] po talaga yan it but in that particular case your honor it appears that the jail warden is uh remiss
[1:03:07] in his duties because he is not implementing the policies in place uh with regards to implementation
[1:03:13] of uh telephone affording telephone calls to the pdl and those who transact uh do sa
[1:03:21] administrative na tawag na jail komisari hindi talaga po dapat nakakapag negosyo yung pdl
[1:03:27] namin sa loob ng jail but in that particular case uh it appears na nakapag negosyo so liable
[1:03:34] po yung warden doon so ano yung current policy ninyo about commissary kasi kung nangyayari
[1:03:41] sa cebu nangyayari yung sa manila so ibig sabihin anybody pwede mag negosyo ng canteen
[1:03:48] o kung ano man gusto niya i-benta uh electronics uh i mean uh cell cell phone cards is that being
[1:03:55] allowed no sir sir so first yung komisari sir itinatag yan para ma limit yung mga dinadala
[1:04:02] na mga dalaw kapag ka pumunta sila sa jail kasi nga karamihan na rin doon sa mga dinadala
[1:04:07] na mga dalaw doon pinapalamang so who owns the commissary so it's under the management of the
[1:04:14] jail warden under the management but sino nagkakapital yung mga jail personnel din sir jail
[1:04:21] personnel or the pdls kasi yung sa nangyayari sa cebu eh yung pdls nagkakaroon silang kanya kanyang
[1:04:27] negosyo doon ang nangyayari po kasi doon sir uh yung proceeds or profits na ma-degenerate doon sa
[1:04:33] jail komisari dapat din mapupunta rin siya sa livelihood programs ng jail pero ang nagkapital po
[1:04:40] initially ay yung mga jail personnel so jail personnel ng kapital yes sir pero yung pera ano
[1:04:48] nangyayari pagdating sa atian kasi sir ano eh nalilito ka eh what i said earlier itong pd yang
[1:04:56] na lumapit sa akin dumating siya sa kulungan ordinary tao paglabas niya milyonaryo na siya kasi
[1:05:02] pinayagan siya na magkaroon ng negosyo sa loob ng kulungan yun sir ang violation
[1:05:09] hindi mo talaga dapat nangyayari and i was informed na hindi lamang sa cebu nangyayari ito kundi sa
[1:05:13] iba-ibang facility na under sa bgmp it is being allowed na yung mga private or pdls they're
[1:05:23] being allowed na mag negosyo sa loob maging sa telepono i'm very particular doon sa
[1:05:28] paggamit ng telepono sa mga pagkain okay lang kasi there are times na kailangan nila
[1:05:35] ng kumain ng merienda na o hindi naman pagpapit ng bgmp pero dapat monitored yung
[1:05:40] pera na pupasok sa kanila to the relatives yan susunod na tanongin how do you monitor
[1:05:47] that now pangalawa ang gusto ko talagang tutukan ninyo yung paggamit ng telepono kasi
[1:05:55] like i said earlier pag mga drug lord nakulong dyan po share tuloy-tuloy pa negosyo kasi
[1:06:00] pinapabayaan sila maggamit ng telepono one to sawa so how do you deal with that now sir sir
[1:06:05] yung sigurong paggamit ng telepono ng mga drug lords yun yung mga poslit na telepono na nagagamit
[1:06:12] nila sa loob ng jail na hindi alam ng mga jail guards pero yung meron po talaga
[1:06:16] kaming ginagamit na telepono para sa legal na pagtawag na so sa telepono legal na gumagamit
[1:06:22] ng telephone cards tama may binibenta telephone cards sa loob e no sir hindi po meron sir meron telephone
[1:06:31] card okay na ginagamit kinakaskas meron public phone sa loob ng mga bgmt cells yes sir
[1:06:38] facilities why is it being allowed oh if it's being allowed okay lang sa akin as long as
[1:06:43] it's being monitored dapat yes sir sarang ina-allow namin sir ayong pwedeng i-monitor ng
[1:06:48] jail personnel ang nangyayari nyan sir yung jail personnel ang magko-contact doon sa
[1:06:53] kakausapin ng aming pdl and then kapag na-contact na ibibigay na sa kanya yung
[1:06:59] tele yung and then alis na may nagmo-monitor lang sir ka na hindi naman sir talagang pinapakinggan
[1:07:06] pero inobserbahan lang sir i don't get it inobserbahan pero hindi pinapakinggan
[1:07:13] yes sir yung right to privacy did kasi sir and communication ng aming pdl ay ina-observe
[1:07:18] din sir namin so hindi talaga namin kailangan so what do you have to observe if you cannot listen if
[1:07:22] you don't know what is being talked about during that conversation the pdl and the person that
[1:07:28] he's he's talking uh uh sa labas so you don't need to monitor the language
[1:07:35] lang sir na ano kapag medyo parang palihim na yung iba na yung punto ng usapan saka na
[1:07:39] lang nag-interview yung aming jail personnel no kasi sa ibang bansa tulad sa america
[1:07:44] minumonitor eh yung mga tawag eh yes sir ang kasi okay tulad yan kunyar sabihin five relatives
[1:07:53] tama ba ako mali sa policy ninyo so magbibigay yung isang pdl ng five relatives na pwede
[1:07:59] niyang tawagan at yan ay iniimbestigahan ninyo yes sir ginagawa nyo ba talaga yun eh hundreds
[1:08:05] and hundreds and thousands pa nga na pdl so kung thousand sila ito times five mo na nagagawa
[1:08:11] nyo pa rin yun i don't think so upon commitment kasi sir tinatanong namin yung pdl consider
[1:08:18] yung kanyang immediate uh family member correct na pwedeng dumalaw lima at pwedeng tawagan lima
[1:08:25] tama for sir namin yung kanilang tenang lima so so dapat yan iniimbestigahan nyo yung limang yun yes sir
[1:08:32] kaya nyo ah ginagawa sir naman namin na talaga you're doing your best pero i don't think so mr
[1:08:38] chair and then lima na professional ah payag ako i don't have any problem that the pdls are allowed
[1:08:47] to call their relatives to call their lawyers the doctors the the priest or their pastors i don't
[1:08:52] have any problem with that the problem is nagkikita ako kung pinapabayan lang sila tumawag one to sawa
[1:08:59] doon sa mga katransaksyon nila na mga tao and the reason why sila pinapunta sa jail kumbaga tuloy-tuloy pala
[1:09:04] negosyo nila if they're a drug lord or they're pusher they can still call people outside uh to work
[1:09:11] with them para ituloy negosyo nila that is something very important that should be monitored sir i don't
[1:09:17] think we will look into that sir so so itigil na siguro yung mga card card na yan dapat siguro kung
[1:09:26] akong tatanungin meron kayong telephone na pwedeng gamitin na mga pdl na libre huwag na kailang magbayad it's
[1:09:38] either landline or cell phone yes sir ala diba sir libre po talaga ipag tatawag natin mga pdl so yung
[1:09:47] yung pagkakit may mga ano ayan po sir uh cell phone we will look into that that's a violation
[1:09:53] as a policy namin so i-stop nyo na yon yes sir okay how much money is being allowed for a for a certain pdl
[1:10:05] for him to accept from his relatives or friends going inside the bgm facility
[1:10:12] sir ang allowed lang sa aming mga pdl is a one thousand per week na one thousand per week so that is like
[1:10:18] four thousand a month yes sir so kailan ubusin yung one thousand a week bago siya allowed another one
[1:10:23] thousand yes sir correct sir and how is that the being monitored may mga jails kami sir na gumagamit
[1:10:30] na ng ah nung legal tender para what sir legal tender sir yung legal tender what is legal tender is the
[1:10:37] money card card card sir yes and in exchange of money okay so now ipalik sir yung kanyang one thousand
[1:10:46] correct correct pero paano yung monitor kung na ums niya ba yun o pwede nyo itago sa kama pwede
[1:10:51] nyo ibaon sa lupa hanggang sa dumami yung pera niya at may later on gamitin niya sa kung
[1:10:55] anong kalokuan dapat digitalize yes sir para lahat ng lalabas na legal tender na sinasabi
[1:11:03] nyo digitalize yun nakapaso sa computer yun pamamoniton yung galaw sa loob ng facility na sabihin
[1:11:09] o alam ba itong si juwan o mukhang dumadami ng pera niya lalapitan nyo juwan ayon sa monitoring
[1:11:16] namin lampas ka na sa allowed na one thousand per week nakaka two thousand ka na in this week
[1:11:21] lang sir do you follow me sir yes sir sir kung in implement lang talaga ng warden yung policy
[1:11:27] hindi po talaga dapat na lumampas ng two thousand or one thousand in that policy sa cebu what i'm saying
[1:11:34] is sa dapat sa lahat ng facility hindi lang sa cebu facility sa lahat ng facility ninyo is it
[1:11:40] being done hindi pa sir dahil ilang jails pa lang sir yung nag implement ng legal tender
[1:11:47] so yung iba cash basis pa rin po sir yung pinapadala ng ating mga visitors ng ating pdl
[1:11:53] ayan naman sir kapag dumaan yan doon sir mayroon po kaming property custodian siya po yung
[1:11:58] hahawak sa cash ng pdl okay yung kaso sa cebu naparusaan po ba yun
[1:12:03] the last thing i know sir yung official doon yung jail warden doon sa suong city jail yes sir
[1:12:10] nag settle na sir sila na ibalik na yung pera ng pdl and under this investigation pa sir yung former
[1:12:16] warden kasi nga hindi na sir sila yung nakapudo na warden sir kaya nga so yung former warden
[1:12:21] gusto ko makasuhan po yun yes sir iniimbestigahan sir hindi ko pa lang sir alam mo ang status ng
[1:12:26] well then give me a give this committee sir a report kung ano na po nangyari doon sa
[1:12:33] investigasyon nyo yes mr chair ayoko magkakaroon po ng takipan you know and
[1:12:37] then pag pinasin sa committee and then the committee will give me a copy of that report
[1:12:41] para malaman ko kung talagang gumagawa kayo ng tunay na investigasyon yes mr chair and
[1:12:47] then lastly mr chair congestion namamonito nyo ba yung sobrang congestion sa mga
[1:12:54] facilities nyo in fact mayroon pa ata na plug yung koa na sobra sobra by the thousands and sobra
[1:13:00] yes sir na mga inmate or pdls the good news sir is that our average congestion rate is decreasing
[1:13:07] nasa 273 273 percent na lang sir ngayon but that is an average sir pero mayroon talaga mga jail
[1:13:16] facilities na over 1 000 plus pa rin ang congestion rate katulad nung sa consolation cebu
[1:13:22] sa mountain lupa because wala pa pa sir talagang malipatan na okay ngayon kasi mr
[1:13:28] chair summer na in the past nababalita natin marami na namamatay ng mga pdl that's a take
[1:13:33] dust because of over congestion so na address nyo buyan yes sir may mga advisories na
[1:13:40] kaming pinadala sa mga jails nang hihingi kami ng tulong sa mga laga sa kaibigan
[1:13:44] namin sa bureau fire para sa augmentation ng water kung kinakailangan ng additional water supply
[1:13:50] sa jails okay isa na lang pa lang magkano ang budget ng isang pdl as pagdating po sa pagkain umaga
[1:14:00] tanghali gabi 100 pesos na po sir ngayon from last year na 75 dinagdagan po ang naging 100 very good
[1:14:07] kasi dati nangyari mr chair ah itong pdl ah wala silang masyadong natatanggap na pagkain eh mahirap sila
[1:14:17] eh sasabihin sa relatives tapos yung relatives gagawa ng diskarte hanggang madang huli
[1:14:24] in this category relative sila mismo makukulong na rin so meron kayong sub dinagdagan yung budget sumayos
[1:14:32] ng pagkain nag-improve na sir pdl yes and then ah anong anong mga sample lang sa mga ulam nila
[1:14:41] anong pagkain na sa umaga hindi saka kinakambiyan ko itong mga pdl eh dahil karapatan din
[1:14:45] nilang kumain ng maayos hindi kasi hindi pa naman karamihan saka hindi pa naman convicted
[1:14:49] suspect pa lang diba and even if they're suspects eh may karapatan pa rin silang kumain ng maayos
[1:14:55] ano yung mga pagkain sa umaga tanghali gabi sir meron kaming ah nakipag coordinate kami sa fnri
[1:15:01] para bigyan kami ng ideal menu para sa ating mga pdl for breakfast ah lunch saka dinner
[1:15:10] kasi baka mr chair tinitipid at syempre yung matipid may nagbubulsa doon sa catering so sino
[1:15:19] ang mayari ng catering baka naman kamaganak ng taga bgmp baka kamaganak na mataas na opisyal o poncho
[1:15:25] pilato sa bgmp yung mayari ng catering usually ganun na nangyari tama sir by administration po yung
[1:15:31] pagpapakain sa aming mga pdl ngayon hindi po siya under ng catering service
[1:15:35] ah hindi na catering dati kasi catering so sinong nagluluto
[1:15:39] yung mga pdl sir
[1:15:41] at sino na mamalingke
[1:15:44] mayroon po kaming food service ah
[1:15:46] section sa jail
[1:15:48] may mga jail personnel po na na mamalingke at
[1:15:50] nagdadala sa jails
[1:15:52] then ang nag prepare po yun ay mga pdl
[1:15:54] pdl mismo nag prepare okay that's better
[1:15:56] yes sir at yung mamalingke
[1:15:58] jail personnel
[1:16:00] tapos binibigan sila ng certain amount
[1:16:02] na yun ang ang pwede nilang gastusin
[1:16:04] for a certain meals
[1:16:06] ganun
[1:16:08] full amount sir of 100 pesos per day
[1:16:10] talagang kailangan po na naka reflect kung paano ginastos
[1:16:14] sila ba ay mayroong budget para sa mga sabon toilet trays
[1:16:17] o kailangan niyan bahala sila bibili sila sa labas na pera nila
[1:16:20] meron sir that's separate budget sir
[1:16:22] and good news din sir nadagdagan na rin yung aming budget for hygienic materials
[1:16:28] ah good how about yung sa mga gamot para
[1:16:34] yun ba against tigdas
[1:16:36] o para sa flu
[1:16:39] including the medicines
[1:16:41] nagdagdag na rin sir ng budget for medicine
[1:16:43] 30 pesos per day
[1:16:46] na rin po ngayon ang budget ng medicine
[1:16:48] for pdl
[1:16:50] ayun sumayos ng panamamalakot ngayon
[1:16:52] dahil nadagdagan ang budget
[1:16:54] siyempre kasi pag dagdag budget
[1:16:56] eh mababawasan yung
[1:16:58] korupsyon
[1:17:01] dahil yung mga pdl
[1:17:03] eh hindi na lang kailangan pang
[1:17:05] munta doon sa mga kamag-anak
[1:17:07] at siyempre yung mga kamag-anak
[1:17:09] eh gagawa ng remedyo
[1:17:11] o magbabayad sa taga BGMP
[1:17:13] para magiging maayos ang takbo ng kanilang family
[1:17:16] last na lang pala talaga
[1:17:18] ah nauso sa mga city jail
[1:17:20] yung pag nirenta yung space
[1:17:23] pag bago ka lalo na
[1:17:26] ito yung space mo
[1:17:27] ang renta dito
[1:17:28] ang nagpaparenta yung bastunero
[1:17:29] of course
[1:17:30] may bas bas yung sa taas
[1:17:32] aware kayo doon
[1:17:33] na
[1:17:34] ito yung space mo
[1:17:36] malayo ka sa kubeta
[1:17:37] mas mahal
[1:17:38] kaysa doon malapit ka sa kubeta
[1:17:41] o itong banig
[1:17:42] paparenta ko sa iyo
[1:17:43] itong kamarenta
[1:17:44] is still happening
[1:17:45] or wala na
[1:17:46] nangyayari pa rin sir
[1:17:47] nangyayari pa rin
[1:17:48] so ba't yung pinapayagan
[1:17:49] na
[1:17:50] napaparenta ng mga space
[1:17:52] yung mga bastunero
[1:17:53] doon sa loob ng kulungan
[1:17:54] sir we are trying to control
[1:17:56] yung gang sa loob ng jails
[1:17:58] because
[1:17:59] pagdating naman kasi sir
[1:18:00] sa loob na nadalaga ng jail
[1:18:02] hindi na yung
[1:18:03] hindi katulad sir
[1:18:05] mga nakikita natin sa movie
[1:18:06] na ang pdl nila
[1:18:07] ay isang celda lang
[1:18:09] ay may dalawa lang
[1:18:10] maximum na pdl
[1:18:11] dito kasi sa isang celda
[1:18:12] kumisan naglalaban ng 100
[1:18:14] 100 pdl
[1:18:15] yes kaya nga
[1:18:16] over congestion
[1:18:17] now
[1:18:18] bakit hindi kayo maglagay ng cctv
[1:18:20] sa bawat jail cell
[1:18:21] mayroon sir may cctv
[1:18:23] so monitor nyo
[1:18:25] so malalaman nyo na
[1:18:26] kung nagkakaroon ng rentahan
[1:18:27] o bentahan
[1:18:28] ng space
[1:18:29] because may cctv
[1:18:31] yes sir
[1:18:32] ang
[1:18:33] nangyayari lang kasi sir
[1:18:34] talagang kapag may grupo
[1:18:35] ng mga pdl
[1:18:36] mayroon talagang
[1:18:37] naghahariyari
[1:18:38] dyan yung
[1:18:39] tinatawag nila na
[1:18:40] nagiging mayor
[1:18:41] or
[1:18:42] mayroon
[1:18:43] yung mga bastunero
[1:18:49] mayor
[1:18:50] matagal ng practice yan
[1:18:51] usually yan ang ginagamit
[1:18:53] ng mga warden
[1:18:54] para disiplinahin
[1:18:55] o magkaroon ng peace and order
[1:18:57] dun sa lugar
[1:18:58] na sila sila
[1:18:59] the police among themselves
[1:19:00] to the mayor
[1:19:01] ang sa akin po sir
[1:19:03] yung bang
[1:19:05] pinapayagan itong mga bastunero
[1:19:07] na maningil
[1:19:09] na para magkaroon ng
[1:19:11] higaan
[1:19:12] katiting na space
[1:19:14] ang isang bagong saltang pdl
[1:19:16] yun dapat ipagbabawal
[1:19:19] at nakarating sa akin
[1:19:21] itong si bastunero
[1:19:23] o si mayor
[1:19:24] Mr. Chair
[1:19:25] nag-iintriga to
[1:19:26] sa isang
[1:19:27] official
[1:19:28] sa bgmp
[1:19:29] yun yun eh
[1:19:31] bawal na bawal kuya sir
[1:19:33] alam ko bawal
[1:19:34] pero nangyayari
[1:19:35] bawal kapag hindi nalaman
[1:19:36] pag nalaman
[1:19:37] nagiging bawal
[1:19:38] so that is
[1:19:39] kaya sabi ko
[1:19:40] maglagay ng cctv
[1:19:41] strict monitoring
[1:19:42] na lahat ng mga
[1:19:44] space doon
[1:19:45] dapat libre
[1:19:46] first camp
[1:19:47] first serve
[1:19:48] o kayo mag-a-assign
[1:19:49] hindi yung mag-a-assign
[1:19:50] si bastunero
[1:19:51] at saka maniningil siya
[1:19:52] at yung nasingil niya
[1:19:53] may prosyento
[1:19:54] ang taga bgmp personnel
[1:19:55] yung iwasan natin po
[1:19:56] Yes sir
[1:19:57] kailangan talaga sir
[1:19:58] na magdagdag ng mga cctvs
[1:19:59] because usually
[1:20:00] yung cctv namin sir
[1:20:01] hindi naman talaga
[1:20:02] naka-focus
[1:20:03] sa loob ng jail
[1:20:04] kundi doon lang
[1:20:05] sa mga lobby
[1:20:06] sa loob ng jail
[1:20:08] sa mga CR
[1:20:09] yung mga
[1:20:10] private area
[1:20:11] pero kung
[1:20:13] yung pinaka jail
[1:20:14] itself
[1:20:15] wala naman siguro
[1:20:16] masama doon
[1:20:17] Tama ba Mr. Chair?
[1:20:18] na para mamonitro yung
[1:20:19] kaganapan doon
[1:20:20] sa jail
[1:20:21] kasi kuminsan
[1:20:22] sabihin e
[1:20:23] nag big day
[1:20:24] o sabihin e
[1:20:25] na inataka sa puso
[1:20:26] pero wag ka
[1:20:27] binugbog pala
[1:20:28] pinabugbog ni mayor
[1:20:29] at dahil may
[1:20:30] nagutos kay mayor
[1:20:31] meron mayaman na
[1:20:32] kamag-anak ng victim
[1:20:33] babayaran si mayor
[1:20:35] at si mayor
[1:20:36] papatayin yung PDL
[1:20:38] etc etc
[1:20:39] so that's the reason
[1:20:40] why kailangan po yung cctv
[1:20:42] para mamonitro yung
[1:20:43] activities tila
[1:20:44] at
[1:20:45] at nagsagayang
[1:20:46] maproteksyonan
[1:20:47] hindi lamang yung
[1:20:48] mga PDL sa loob
[1:20:49] kundi maging kayo
[1:20:50] para hindi kayo
[1:20:51] mapagbindahan
[1:20:52] kasi without the camera
[1:20:53] pag minamata
[1:20:54] it will be he said she said
[1:20:55] sabihin nung kamag-anak ng PDLs
[1:20:56] e
[1:20:57] may kagagawan po
[1:20:58] yung utos
[1:20:59] yung BGMP personnel
[1:21:00] sasabihin ng BGMP personnel
[1:21:01] hindi po
[1:21:02] hindi po
[1:21:03] hindi totoo yan
[1:21:04] pero kung may cctv camera
[1:21:05] malalamang siya
[1:21:06] nagsasabi na totoo
[1:21:07] you follow me sir?
[1:21:08] yes sir
[1:21:09] in fact sir
[1:21:10] mayroon kami
[1:21:11] 488 jail facilities
[1:21:12] nationwide
[1:21:13] at binigyan sa akin
[1:21:14] nasa
[1:21:15] 2,600 pa lang
[1:21:17] yung cctv cameras namin
[1:21:19] so kulang nakulag
[1:21:20] e budget na natin
[1:21:21] Mr. Chair
[1:21:22] sige kung kailangan ng budget
[1:21:23] then I will support
[1:21:24] siguro
[1:21:25] okay ka man
[1:21:26] sa committee na ito
[1:21:27] na magkaroon karagdagang budget
[1:21:29] na para magkaroon ng cctv
[1:21:30] ang lahat ng jail cells
[1:21:32] yes sir
[1:21:33] ng BGMP
[1:21:35] and lastly
[1:21:36] na
[1:21:37] nagustuhan ko na ito
[1:21:38] transfer na
[1:21:39] yung jurisdiction
[1:21:40] ng provincial jail
[1:21:41] sa BGMP
[1:21:42] kasi dati
[1:21:43] marami tayong napabalitan
[1:21:44] ako mismo
[1:21:45] Mr. Chair
[1:21:46] kapag
[1:21:47] kamag-anak
[1:21:48] ng mataas na opisyal
[1:21:49] sa probinsya
[1:21:50] e nabibigyan ng
[1:21:51] special favor
[1:21:52] nakakalabas pa
[1:21:53] di ba?
[1:21:55] e siyempre
[1:21:56] kay Gubyan e
[1:21:57] bata ni Gubyan e
[1:21:58] e bigyan ng special treatment
[1:22:00] pero sa ngayon
[1:22:01] dahil BGMP na
[1:22:02] national na
[1:22:03] matatanggal na yung
[1:22:04] ganong klaseng mga
[1:22:05] problema noon
[1:22:07] okay
[1:22:08] that's all Mr. Chairman
[1:22:09] marami sila
[1:22:10] for answering my question
[1:22:11] thank you
[1:22:12] thank you
[1:22:13] so we now go back to
[1:22:15] presentation
[1:22:16] dbm
[1:22:17] ma'am you now have the floor for your position on the
[1:22:24] measures that we are taking up
[1:22:26] please identify yourself also
[1:22:28] yes sir
[1:22:29] good morning
[1:22:30] I'm Janeline Tsunga from DBM
[1:22:32] my apologies for not able to attend for this meeting due to unexpected situations
[1:22:41] regarding the transfer of the provincial jails to the BGMT
[1:22:51] pursuant to section 17 B3 of Republic Act number 7 to 160
[1:23:00] the provision of provincial jails is among the services devolved to the provincial government
[1:23:05] specifically section 468 of the same law provides that the Sanguni ang Panlaluigan
[1:23:11] as a legislative body of the province shall establish and provide the maintenance and improvement of jails and detention centers
[1:23:20] institute a sound jail management program and appropriate funds for the subsistence of detainees and convicted prisoners in the province
[1:23:28] the said provision of r.a. number 7160 are in consonance with the provision of the section 61 of r.a. 6975 which provide that the BG that the jail bureau shall exercise supervision and control over all city and municipal jails and detention centers institute a sound jail management program and appropriate funds for the subsistence while the provincial jails shall be supervised and controlled by the provincial jails and
[1:24:01] controlled by the provincial government within its jurisdiction
[1:24:06] in this regard the transfer of supervision and control of all provincial jails for the integration to the BGMP is inconsistent with the purpose of decentralization as envisioned in r.a. 7160 whereby local government units shall be given more power authority responsibilities and resources that the process of decentralization shall proceed from the national government to l.a.
[1:24:30] national government to l.g. use and it's the um the submitted summary of proposed funding requirement for the absorption of provincial and subprovincial jails submitted by the BGMP as of January 2026 the proposed transfer will require an additional amount of 3.4 billion
[1:24:55] according the requirements to fully implement the proposed transfer will require a substantial amount given the limited resources of the national government it may be necessary to identify additional tax tax measures that will cover the purpose subject to congressional approval regarding the adjust regarding the adjusting the rank classification for personnel of the BFP and the BGMT it is our position that should the bill be passed by the
[1:25:30] the same may serve as the same may serve as a precedent to the other uniform agencies with the same existing rank classification as the BFP and the BGMP to propose for upgrading of their rank structures similar to these bills thus adding up to the increasing PS and pension requirements of uniform personnel um relative to this
[1:25:53] to this we have computed for the requirements for the BGMP and BFP for the BFP it will require 52 million and for the BGMP 20 29 million for it is uh already adjusted to the recent uh increase in salary base pay thank you thank you ma'am um now we can uh
[1:26:20] um um
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[1:28:45] This is not reorg kasi. If you want to see the picture of the transition from the provincial to the BJMP,
[1:28:52] hindi kasi namin masasabi na reorg for us to forego with the QS.
[1:28:55] So there is a need really for them to meet the QS under the law.
[1:28:59] So for us, pwede na po yung five years transition period.
[1:29:04] And there is really a need for them to meet that QS kasi otherwise magkakaroon tayo ng disapproval
[1:29:13] or invalidation of appointment if once fined by the Civil Service Commission
[1:29:21] that these transferred employees did not meet the QS as required under the proposed bills.
[1:29:43] Okay, so thank you. This bill almost reached the second reading last Congress.
[1:29:52] Kaya lang merong mga ibang tinake up yung house.
[1:29:57] Kaya hindi na ito. So kung baga ano na ito, narinig na lahat and has been thoroughly researched and studied.
[1:30:04] So in order that we can move on to the next agenda, may we request that the position papers of the Concert AGSP
[1:30:12] just submitted to the committee. Okay, thank you.
[1:30:16] So we can start with the jail integration.
[1:30:20] These are the order of presentation.
[1:30:24] Quick, bilisan na lang po natin. Department of Justice, Bureau of Jail Management Technology, DBM, COA, Civil Service,
[1:30:33] Provincial Government of Batangas, Union of Local Authorities of the Philippines, and League of Provinces of the Philippines.
[1:30:41] So yun na po yung mga nandito.
[1:30:42] Okay, so probably you can already dismiss yung mga members ng BFP.
[1:30:51] We will now talk about the jail integration.
[1:31:01] Sige, we can now start.
[1:31:03] Do a jail pa? Mero pa?
[1:31:06] Mr. Chair, thank you. Thank you very much.
[1:31:11] Yun po ano, before we continue, this will be a working lunch.
[1:31:15] Ano na, magdi-12 na rin po.
[1:31:17] You can already have your lunch while the presentations are ongoing.
[1:31:22] Please make the presentations brief, as brief as possible, and focus on yung mga gist na lang po tayo.
[1:31:36] Okay, can we start with DOJ? May DOJ ba?
[1:31:41] Mr. Chair, good morning.
[1:31:42] Ay, good morning. Senior State Council, Bernadette Ongoko.
[1:31:46] Good morning po.
[1:32:28] Please proceed.
[1:32:29] Mr. Chair, for the Department of Justice, we interpose no constitutional objection regarding this integration.
[1:32:39] We support this proposal as we have supported this in previous Congress.
[1:32:49] So, we will be submitting our official comments, Mr. Chair, by next week.
[1:32:57] Thank you.
[1:33:02] Thank you, ma'am.
[1:33:03] Thank you, Senior State Council, Bernadette Ongoko.
[1:33:06] Next, for BJP again, for your position on the jail integration.
[1:33:18] Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, your honor.
[1:33:20] So, sir, the Jail Bureau, or the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, extends its sincere gratitude for the opportunity to participate in this very significant hearing concerning the proposal to transfer the supervision and control of all provincial and subprovincial jails to the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology.
[1:33:42] The willingness to hear the Bureau's stand on this subject demonstrates the committee's commitment to all legislative duty.
[1:33:48] The integration of provincial and subprovincial jails into the Bay JMP offers significant advantages, which are as follows.
[1:33:57] Number one, there will be an established uniform and standard policy for the administration and supervision of all local jails.
[1:34:05] Number two, the administration and operation of all local jails will be entrusted to the Bay JMP, which is the specialized agency for detention, safekeeping, and development of persons deprived of liberty.
[1:34:17] Thus, the objective of public safety and institutional correction for jail supervision and management can be better attained through this act.
[1:34:27] Number three, the provincial government will be unburdened from the task of supervising and maintaining a jail facility, enabling them to devote its focus and resources to other more pressing responsibilities.
[1:34:40] Number four, this measure will promote the professionalization of jail personnel, which will now include the provincial jail guards.
[1:34:49] At present, 53.75% of provincial governments are manning these provincial jails and subprovincial jails, have already expressed their willingness to transfer the management of their facilities to the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology.
[1:35:07] Their conformity is rooted on their appreciation that there is a need to establish a national standard in the operation and management of all local jails and that the integration of provincial jails and subprovincial jails into the BNMP will assist all relevant parties.
[1:35:27] First, this will unburden the provincial government of one of its many vital obligations to their constituents.
[1:35:33] Secondly, the provincial jail guards currently handling provincial jails will have the same opportunities in terms of salary, benefits, and training provided they possess the required qualifications set by the Civil Service Commission.
[1:35:51] Currently, a total of 2,470 personnel are manning the provincial jails nationwide, and approximately 52% of whom do not hold regular plantilla positions.
[1:36:05] This bill will promote the professionalization of jail personnel, including provincial jail guards.
[1:36:12] Thirdly, this move to enable the BGMP to further advance its decongestion measures.
[1:36:19] And lastly, and most important, the passage of this bill will ensure that the persons deprived of liberty are provided with optimal reformative and rehabilitative treatment programs through the establishment of a uniform and standardized policy on the administration and supervision of all local jails.
[1:36:38] In closing, Mr. Chair, the passage of this bill is also aligned with the national goals such as the Philippine Development Plan 2023-2028, specifically under Chapter 13.2, Outcome 3, Improving the Quality of Life of PDL and Ensuring the Productive Reintegration of PDL into the Community,
[1:36:59] and specifically in establishing a Unified Benology and Correction Systems, and the Ambition Act in 2040 as regards to the modernization and capacity building of the DILG along with the PNP and the BGMP.
[1:37:16] Mr. Chair, we also prepared an ABP to further express or elucidate our stand on this if we will be allowed to play it, sir.
[1:37:30] Mr. How long will it take?
[1:37:31] Mr. The support means?
[1:37:32] Mr. Sige, we have to make it quick para we can hopefully adjourn before 1 o'clock, no?
[1:37:38] Mr. Thank you very much, Mr. President.
[1:37:39] Mr. Sige, is it ready already, yung kanilang presentation, ABP?
[1:37:44] To the Honorable Chairperson of the Senate Committee on Public Order and Dangerous Drugs, Joseph Victor, J.V. Ejercito, and the distinguished members of the committee, good day.
[1:37:58] The current jail management system in the Philippines remains divided,
[1:38:01] While the BGMP oversees district, city, and municipal jails, provincial governments operate their own facilities.
[1:38:10] This dual structure has resulted in uneven operational standards, inconsistent security practices, and varying levels of rehabilitation services across jurisdictions.
[1:38:21] A unified national approach is therefore necessary to ensure uniformity in custodial care and to strengthen the country's overall jail management system.
[1:38:29] Explicitly supported under the Philippine Development Plan 2023-2028 of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development,
[1:38:38] This initiative advances Outcome 3, which aims to improve the well-being of persons deprived of liberty and promote their successful reintegration.
[1:38:45] By prioritizing a unified penology and corrections system, it strengthens the PDP's commitment to a more humane, efficient, and responsive corrections framework.
[1:38:58] The BJMP has consistently demonstrated its institutional capability to administer jails in a professional and humane manner.
[1:39:04] Its rehabilitation programs, benefiting 116,669 persons deprived of liberty, provide educational, livelihood, spiritual, and therapeutic interventions aligned with the Nelson Mandela rules.
[1:39:20] These initiatives reflect the Bureau's long-term commitment not only to custodial security but also to preparing PDLs for eventual reintegration into society.
[1:39:29] Another key strength of the BJMP is its trained and professional core of 26,894 personnel.
[1:39:37] Through continuous capacity building, competency upgrading, and leadership development, BJMP personnel maintain high standards of discipline, integrity, and operational competence.
[1:39:49] These institutional advantages cannot be fully duplicated by individual provincial governments, whose capacities and resources differ widely.
[1:39:57] At present, the BJMP manages 488 jail facilities nationwide, operating under a unified set of policies and procedures.
[1:40:07] Extending this standardized system to provincial jails will resolve long-standing disparities in custodial practices and improve the welfare and security of PDLs across the country.
[1:40:16] In the 20th Congress, four Senate bills were refiled, by Sen. J.V. Ejercito, Sen. Juan Miguel Subiri, Sen. Ronald Bato De La Rosa, and Sen. Jingoy Ejercito Estrada, underscoring the continuing importance of unifying local jail administration.
[1:40:33] The proposed measure transfers the management, control, and supervision of provincial and subprovincial jails to the BJMP, while retaining ownership of land and buildings with the provincial governments.
[1:40:46] Personnel of provincial jails will retain security of tenure and will be absorbed by the BJMP in accordance with the Qualification Standards of Republic Act No. 9263.
[1:40:55] To ensure an orderly shift, the measure provides for a three-year transition period.
[1:41:01] During this time, provincial governments will continue funding the subsistence of PDLs and facility maintenance, until such time as the BJMP assumes full supervision and operational responsibility.
[1:41:12] We also acknowledge the support of several local chief executives.
[1:41:18] Their endorsements reflect a shared understanding that jail management requires specialized expertise, standardized systems, and professionalized service, attributes inherent in the BJMP.
[1:41:29] In closing, this measure represents a necessary step toward a professional, humane, and unified jail management system that strengthens national security, advances human rights, and aligns the country with global correctness standards.
[1:41:42] We respectfully seek the favorable consideration of this Honorable Committee.
[1:41:47] Thank you.
[1:41:48] Please, go ahead.
[1:41:56] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:41:57] That's all for the BJMP.
[1:42:00] Thank you.
[1:42:01] Probably, DILG, meron pa tayong Anarita position, Yusek Barreto.
[1:42:16] On Senate Bill No. 203, transferring provincial and subprovincial jails to BJMP, this bill tackles fragmentation of jail administration.
[1:42:34] Where district, city, municipal jails fall under BJMP, but provincial jails remain with local governments.
[1:42:49] Transferring control and subprovincial to BJMP promotes coherence, efficient resource allocation, and consistent standards for prisons deprived of liberty for PDL.
[1:43:05] While DILG's long-term agenda envisions merging BJMP and provincial jails with BUCOR under DOJ for a unified correction system, SB 203 is a practical, immediate reform.
[1:43:31] It fills current gaps without prejudicing future structural changes.
[1:43:43] We urge its swift approval.
[1:43:47] Thank you, Yusek Barreto.
[1:43:56] Go back to DBM.
[1:43:58] She's still online.
[1:44:01] Online ba naman siya?
[1:44:04] Ma'am, your position of DBM on the integration, jail integration?
[1:44:09] Yes, sir.
[1:44:11] For the DBM, sir, we are constrained from favorably recommending the proposed legislative measure.
[1:44:18] As mentioned earlier, sir, the transfer of supervision and control of all provincial jails for the integration to the BJMP is inconsistent with the purpose of decentralization.
[1:44:30] The local LG, the LGUs shall be given more power, authority, and responsibilities and resources.
[1:44:39] Sir, we have also mentioned that it would require an amount of 3.4 billion for this purpose, sir.
[1:44:51] Okay, thank you.
[1:44:53] Sa civil service, ma'am, again, what's the position?
[1:44:57] Kasi meron pong integration, nung transfer pala, nung jail guards to the BJMP.
[1:45:05] Ma'am, sige po.
[1:45:07] Good morning again po.
[1:45:08] As we respectfully manifest, we respectfully reiterate our manifestation, Your Honor, that the absorption under Section 5 of SB 1872,
[1:45:19] the absorption of the provincial and sub-provincial jails into the BJMP will have significant implications to existing employees, particularly those occupying first-level positions.
[1:45:33] It must be noted that when the BJMP ranks were professionalized under RA 9263 and 9592,
[1:45:40] the minimum education requirement was upgraded to completion of a baccalaureate degree,
[1:45:45] and consequently, the corresponding eligibility requirement was upgraded to second-level or professional eligibility.
[1:45:53] In this regard, it's recommended that a provision be included to allow existing employees of provincial and sub-provincial jails
[1:46:00] who do not currently meet the qualification standards an opportunity to comply with the required standards within a specific period,
[1:46:09] example po, minimum of five-year transition period in order to be absorbed into the BJMP.
[1:46:15] Relatedly, Section 5 of SB numbers 203-886-1196-1273 provides a provision for this matter,
[1:46:26] which states, provided that the BJMP shall take proactive measures in training and enhancing the capacity of employees
[1:46:34] and personnel of provincial and sub-provincial jails to obtain the necessary qualifications,
[1:46:40] provisions provided further that those who will fail to comply with the qualification standards at the time of transfer
[1:46:48] shall be given five years from which to comply as provided for in this Act to complete the necessary requirements for the concerned position.
[1:46:57] This foregoing provision may be adopted to ensure that existing employees in the provincial and sub-provincial jails
[1:47:05] who do not yet meet the qualification standards for absorption into the BJMP are afforded a reasonable and definite period of time
[1:47:12] with encouraged to comply with the requirements for their respective positions.
[1:47:16] As regards Section 7 or the Special Oversight Committee of SB 1872,
[1:47:25] the CSC interposed its reservation considering that membership in such committee
[1:47:39] as issues arising from the implementation of the Act may be brought before the CSC for resolution,
[1:47:45] especially on human resources matters.
[1:47:47] That's for the two key points for the Civil Service Commission, Your Honor.
[1:47:53] Thank you, ma'am.
[1:47:54] Next will be the, let's hear from the provincial,
[1:47:58] yung mga positions sa mga probinsya.
[1:48:01] Let's hear first from the League of Provinces of the Philippines
[1:48:04] and then followed by Union of Local Authorities of the Philippines
[1:48:08] and then Provincial Government of Batangas.
[1:48:12] Sige po, sa League of Provinces.
[1:48:14] Yes, good morning, Mr. Chair.
[1:48:16] Yes, ma'am.
[1:48:16] We have, the League of Provinces has submitted its position paper on 10 March 2026.
[1:48:23] So we're just going to read some portions of our position paper po.
[1:48:27] So firstly, the league is of the position that the jail integration bills is counter-devolution
[1:48:36] and contrary to the spirit of the local government code.
[1:48:40] However, the argument in integrating jail management and services to ensure compliance
[1:48:46] with international standards may be valid, as some provinces are amenable to the transfer.
[1:48:52] But there are other provinces who are not.
[1:48:55] This is why the League has not adopted a uniform position mandating full transfer,
[1:49:00] as it is recognized that such decisions should be addressed on a case-to-case basis,
[1:49:07] depending on the circumstances and capacities of the provinces concerned.
[1:49:12] The BJMP has already mentioned that there are at least 52 provinces
[1:49:18] who have entered into memorandum of agreement with the BJMP for the management of the provincial jails.
[1:49:29] However, there are some who have really expressed that they would rather keep their functions for the provincial jail.
[1:49:37] So, parang, Mr. Chair, our compromise is that we do this on a case-to-case basis.
[1:49:43] So instead of providing in the law the use of the word shall,
[1:49:48] if we can put it on a may, exchange the word shall with may.
[1:49:54] And then, however, the League is not in favor of provisions requiring the transfer of LGU resources
[1:50:00] and facilities to the BJMP, including land where current provincial jails are located.
[1:50:05] This has no legal and factual basis and relative there.
[1:50:12] So that's why the League imposes its clear objection to this provision.
[1:50:17] General position is that the League recognizes that a legislative measure is necessary
[1:50:24] should there be a policy to transfer provincial jails to the BJMP.
[1:50:28] However, such measure must respect the principles of decentralization and local autonomy
[1:50:33] and must not impose a mandatory transfer that disregards the varying capacities and conditions of the provinces.
[1:50:41] So we have six recommendations, Mr. Chair.
[1:50:45] First is to allow but not mandate the transfer of the provincial jails to the BJMP.
[1:50:51] And then relative to this, leave the decision to transfer to the respective provinces
[1:50:57] subject to approval by the respective Sanggunian Panlalawigans.
[1:51:01] Then third is to remove the provisions requiring the transfer of provincial assets, properties, and funds to the BJMP.
[1:51:09] Kasi once the province agrees to transfer the functions, the management, the control, and supervision
[1:51:18] of the provincial jails to the provincial jails to the BJMP.
[1:51:20] That necessarily means that they are already giving up their mandate on the provincial jails.
[1:51:29] So I do not think that the LGUs are legally mandated to be continuing to fund this.
[1:51:38] So fourth is that we propose to institutionalize mechanisms that will allow flexible arrangements
[1:51:46] such as MOAs for technical assistance and jail management support.
[1:51:51] Then fifth, ensure that such arrangement will avoid disruption of services
[1:51:55] and promote smoother coordination and more efficient relationship between the BJMP and concerned provinces.
[1:52:02] And last, upon the completion of the three-year transition period for the transfer of the provincial jails to the BJMP,
[1:52:11] the concerned provinces shall be relieved of the function of allocating funds
[1:52:15] for the maintenance and improvement of jails and detention centers
[1:52:19] and subsistence of detainees and convicted personnel.
[1:52:23] The same cost should be shouldered by the BJMP under the General Appropriations Act.
[1:52:29] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:52:32] Ma'am, so may we just have an idea.
[1:52:35] Ilan po yung favor and how we are not favor sa mga probinsya kung meron po kayong count?
[1:52:42] Mr. Chair, nagbabari po yung numbers for now.
[1:52:48] Kasi there are, we understand that this already crossed at least four congresses.
[1:52:54] If I'm not mistaken, this bill started in the 17th Congress.
[1:52:59] Tapos nag-chair, kapag nag-change rin ng administration,
[1:53:03] minsan may mga provinces na, may mga governors na in favor,
[1:53:08] and then the next, the succeeding governor nag-change na po ng position.
[1:53:12] So we do not have a, what they call this, a current number for now.
[1:53:17] Although BJMP will have a number of the provinces who entered into a MOA with them,
[1:53:23] which we understand to mean that in favor sila sa pag-transfer ng kanilang provincial jails.
[1:53:30] Mr. Chair.
[1:53:30] What's up? Siguro lang, just ano kayang idea, ano kayan, just have an idea.
[1:53:36] Ano po ba yung, ano na, concerns, no?
[1:53:39] Why they have apprehensions on the said integration.
[1:53:41] Kasi this will professionalize the management by having it supervised by the BJMP.
[1:53:50] Is it, ano, is it the concern?
[1:53:51] Siyempre, nag-LGU din ako.
[1:53:53] Siyempre, concern ko dyan yung displacement of,
[1:53:56] of, halimbawa, provincial guards or workers,
[1:54:02] could there be, ano, kung meron bang, ano,
[1:54:05] some will be absorbed, those who will qualify.
[1:54:08] Ang naging, ano, sabi ni Comsec, last time,
[1:54:12] the agreement was those who will not be,
[1:54:14] will not be absorbed because hindi who will qualify
[1:54:17] will be absorbed by the local government.
[1:54:20] But yung kanilang service will be continuous para hindi ma-disrupt, no?
[1:54:26] So, probably, that's the, one of the reasons.
[1:54:30] There will be a compromise naman, eh.
[1:54:32] Kasi, parang hihirap naman, if we will pass this,
[1:54:35] tapos, ano, optional, no, yung May,
[1:54:39] yung sinasabi niya kanina.
[1:54:41] But we would want to get the, ano, also,
[1:54:42] of course, we respect, as a former local government official,
[1:54:46] we respect the HLGU, yung local government code,
[1:54:48] yung autonomy.
[1:54:50] But if this will, siguro, we have to weigh things
[1:54:53] that if this will improve the service,
[1:54:55] especially yung pong condition and handling of our PDLs,
[1:54:59] then probably it's worth looking at.
[1:55:02] Yes, Mr. Chair, tama po kayo.
[1:55:04] The first, the first agam-agam nila
[1:55:08] is the displacement of the personnel.
[1:55:11] Hindi nang naisip ko, eh.
[1:55:12] Dahil ako rin yun ang naisip ko.
[1:55:14] Pero nagsabi naman ang BJMB
[1:55:16] that those who will qualify will be absorbed.
[1:55:19] But those who will not be,
[1:55:22] siguro, ang proposal natin ng committee
[1:55:24] is that it will be absorbed by the local government.
[1:55:28] Pero yung kanila pong service continues, no?
[1:55:32] Kung baga parang hindi walang disruption,
[1:55:34] it will be considered.
[1:55:35] Siguro, pwedeng, ano, yun, no?
[1:55:37] We can discuss that further with the different provinces.
[1:55:42] Then, Mr. Chair, I think there are some bills kasi na sinasabi
[1:55:47] once na-transfer na yung provincial operation,
[1:55:50] management, and supervision of the provincial jails
[1:55:53] to the BJMP,
[1:55:55] mananatili pa rin po sa LGUs yung cost
[1:55:57] ng operation and maintenance.
[1:56:01] So that is one of the second thoughts
[1:56:04] of some LGUs.
[1:56:07] That's the source of their,
[1:56:09] what they call this,
[1:56:10] the opposition.
[1:56:13] Pero once matransfer naman po siguro yung costs
[1:56:17] for running the provincial jail,
[1:56:19] I think medyo baka pwede na pong mapag-usapan uli.
[1:56:23] Because we have held a number of meetings
[1:56:26] with the BJMP before.
[1:56:28] Yun po po yung position nila na
[1:56:30] the league does not take a collective position.
[1:56:33] So on a case-to-case basis.
[1:56:37] Thank you po.
[1:57:08] Well, we hear you, no?
[1:57:09] In fact, we have heard,
[1:57:11] we have some,
[1:57:14] we wrote letters to the different provinces already.
[1:57:17] May ibang nag-respond na.
[1:57:18] Meron po mga favor, no?
[1:57:20] Some provinces,
[1:57:21] but there are also who are opposed, no?
[1:57:23] So siyempre,
[1:57:26] pangunay ng panakawang batas na ito,
[1:57:27] yung integration ng BJMP
[1:57:29] ay to relieve the LGUs
[1:57:31] of their responsibilities
[1:57:34] ng jail management
[1:57:35] at upang makapag-focus sila
[1:57:37] in other basic services.
[1:57:39] And also,
[1:57:39] yun more importantly,
[1:57:40] the professional handling
[1:57:42] of PDLs, no?
[1:57:45] Yung ba,
[1:57:48] siguro sang ayaw po
[1:57:49] ang mga local governors
[1:57:50] isuko ang control
[1:57:51] sa kanilang mga prasilitas
[1:57:52] kapalit ng fiscal relief.
[1:57:54] So that will be probably the question.
[1:57:56] Siguro yan ang dapat nating
[1:57:57] i-address, no?
[1:58:02] The concerns of different LGUs.
[1:58:06] For the informational body,
[1:58:07] may natanggap na rin po kaming position
[1:58:08] from the province of Bulacan.
[1:58:11] They believe that this responsibility
[1:58:12] must remain vested in the province,
[1:58:14] which they believe is consistent
[1:58:15] with the local government code
[1:58:16] and the constitution.
[1:58:20] Tapos,
[1:58:21] may ano pa ang ano.
[1:58:22] But there are other provinces
[1:58:24] that are in favor,
[1:58:25] like Bata-Bataan,
[1:58:28] Southern Leyte,
[1:58:29] and I think Camarines Norte.
[1:58:31] So we're waiting for the responses.
[1:58:34] So, yun po.
[1:58:41] We can ask,
[1:58:42] probably we can go next to Ulap,
[1:58:45] Union of Local Authorities
[1:58:46] of the Philippines,
[1:58:47] yun pong position niya po
[1:58:48] regarding the jail integration.
[1:58:50] Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.
[1:58:52] I'll keep this relatively short po.
[1:58:54] Ulap finds the legislative intent
[1:58:56] of the bills
[1:58:57] on the transfer
[1:58:57] of control and supervision
[1:58:59] of provincial jails
[1:59:01] to the BJMP
[1:59:01] to be reasonable
[1:59:02] for the standardization
[1:59:04] of jail services.
[1:59:06] However,
[1:59:06] while some province
[1:59:08] may be amenable to this,
[1:59:09] we see possible difficulties
[1:59:10] in the application
[1:59:11] of the provisions
[1:59:12] should it become a law
[1:59:14] considering that each province
[1:59:16] has evolved
[1:59:16] the administration
[1:59:17] of their jails.
[1:59:19] Given that,
[1:59:19] Ulap,
[1:59:20] as the umbrella organization
[1:59:21] of all leagues of LGUs
[1:59:22] and locally elected officials
[1:59:23] refers to the League of Provinces
[1:59:25] of the Philippines
[1:59:25] since their members
[1:59:26] will be the most affected stakeholders
[1:59:29] should it become a law.
[1:59:30] Thank you, Pop.
[1:59:33] Okay, attorney.
[1:59:33] Thank you, attorney Untalan.
[1:59:37] Next.
[1:59:40] Siguro.
[1:59:42] At sa province of Patangas
[1:59:43] is here pala.
[1:59:44] At least andito.
[1:59:45] Thank you for coming, sir.
[1:59:48] Adalaw po kayo.
[1:59:49] Sige po.
[1:59:50] Please,
[1:59:50] sino po magsasalta?
[1:59:51] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:59:54] Good morning, po, everyone
[1:59:55] to the distinguished guests.
[1:59:57] I'm attorney Jose Marco,
[1:59:59] video comp.
[1:59:59] I am here to represent
[2:00:00] and provide the views
[2:00:02] and stance
[2:00:02] of the provincial government
[2:00:03] of Patangas.
[2:00:04] Yes, please, go ahead.
[2:00:05] First of all, po,
[2:00:06] we support the passage
[2:00:07] of this SB number 886,
[2:00:10] 1273, 203, and 1196
[2:00:12] considering that this
[2:00:13] would actually alleviate
[2:00:15] and cure some of the issues
[2:00:16] we are facing
[2:00:16] in the province of Patangas.
[2:00:18] Just to paint a small picture, po,
[2:00:20] in the provincial jail
[2:00:22] of Patangas,
[2:00:22] we are actually taking care
[2:00:23] of actually around 500 PDLs,
[2:00:27] persons deprived of liberty,
[2:00:29] which should actually be
[2:00:30] under the jurisdiction
[2:00:31] of the BGMP.
[2:00:34] And this 500 PDLs
[2:00:37] actually composes 60%
[2:00:38] of the population
[2:00:40] of our provincial jail.
[2:00:42] Therefore, if this law passes,
[2:00:45] this would actually cure
[2:00:47] this issue for the province
[2:00:48] of Patangas specifically.
[2:00:51] In addition to this,
[2:00:52] in relation to the issue
[2:00:53] on the displaced personnel,
[2:00:56] I can only speak
[2:00:57] for the province of Patangas,
[2:00:58] but we have already spoken
[2:01:00] with our personnel
[2:01:02] in the provincial jail
[2:01:03] and we have assured them
[2:01:04] that we will protect
[2:01:07] their security of tenure
[2:01:09] whether they be placed
[2:01:10] in the BGMP
[2:01:11] or in the local government
[2:01:13] of Patangas.
[2:01:14] Just to keep it brief,
[2:01:15] Mr. Chair,
[2:01:16] we will provide our views
[2:01:17] and comments
[2:01:18] after this committee hearing.
[2:01:21] Thank you.
[2:01:22] So the position
[2:01:24] of the province of Patangas
[2:01:25] is supportive
[2:01:26] and they have assured
[2:01:28] their jail personnel,
[2:01:31] yung po mga provincial guards,
[2:01:32] that those that will not be absorbed
[2:01:34] will be absorbed by the LGU,
[2:01:36] ay, by the province.
[2:01:38] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[2:01:39] Thank you.
[2:01:39] Thank you, attorney.
[2:01:44] Next is a,
[2:01:45] is a mga liga ng mga barangay.
[2:01:52] Ah, wala pala.
[2:01:53] Wala.
[2:01:54] He was here.
[2:01:57] Sumama sa pahir.
[2:01:59] Hindi pa sila dapat namalis.
[2:02:01] Anyway,
[2:02:04] we can ask,
[2:02:05] siguro,
[2:02:07] sa a few questions,
[2:02:08] according to the report
[2:02:09] you submitted sa BGMP,
[2:02:12] to the committee,
[2:02:12] in the previous series,
[2:02:13] mayroong significant improvement
[2:02:14] in the national congestion rate,
[2:02:16] dropping from 612%
[2:02:18] in 2017
[2:02:20] to 279%
[2:02:22] in 2025.
[2:02:24] So,
[2:02:25] what the sudden absorption
[2:02:26] of high density
[2:02:27] provincial jail
[2:02:28] reverse
[2:02:29] these gains
[2:02:30] and cause another spike
[2:02:31] in your congestion statistics?
[2:02:33] Hindi ba makakaano ito?
[2:02:35] Baka mamaya,
[2:02:35] nag-improve na
[2:02:36] from 612
[2:02:37] to 79 na lang.
[2:02:40] So,
[2:02:41] percent.
[2:02:42] So,
[2:02:42] would this absorption
[2:02:43] cause another spike
[2:02:45] in your congestion statistics?
[2:02:48] Hindi kaya makadagdag ito?
[2:02:49] Thank you,
[2:02:51] Mr. Chair,
[2:02:51] Your Honor.
[2:02:52] After all, sir,
[2:02:53] our congestion rate
[2:02:54] is measured
[2:02:56] in individual jail facility.
[2:02:59] So,
[2:02:59] if the congestion rate,
[2:03:02] say,
[2:03:02] for example,
[2:03:02] in one provincial jail
[2:03:04] is this high,
[2:03:07] even if it will be transferred
[2:03:08] to the BGMP,
[2:03:09] the congestion rate
[2:03:10] remains, sir.
[2:03:12] Unless
[2:03:13] if the BGMP
[2:03:15] will be
[2:03:16] given the authority
[2:03:17] to transfer
[2:03:18] some of that PDL
[2:03:20] to other
[2:03:20] BGMP manned facility.
[2:03:23] Because,
[2:03:23] sir,
[2:03:24] in
[2:03:24] So,
[2:03:26] you plan to transfer
[2:03:27] the congested
[2:03:29] city jails,
[2:03:30] for example,
[2:03:31] to lesser congested,
[2:03:33] less crowded
[2:03:33] provincial facilities?
[2:03:34] Yes,
[2:03:34] Your Honor, sir.
[2:03:35] That's the idea.
[2:03:36] Because,
[2:03:36] in the BGMP,
[2:03:37] we are managing
[2:03:38] several city
[2:03:40] or municipal jails
[2:03:41] in one particular
[2:03:42] province.
[2:03:43] And,
[2:03:44] some of those jails
[2:03:45] are congested,
[2:03:46] some are not.
[2:03:47] So,
[2:03:48] we may
[2:03:48] transfer
[2:03:50] the congested,
[2:03:52] some PDL
[2:03:52] in a congested
[2:03:53] facility
[2:03:54] to not congested
[2:03:55] one.
[2:03:59] Next,
[2:03:59] we are looking
[2:04:00] at over 80
[2:04:01] provincial
[2:04:01] and sub-provincial
[2:04:03] jails.
[2:04:04] Nationwide,
[2:04:05] under my bill
[2:04:07] and others
[2:04:07] presented,
[2:04:08] the BGMP
[2:04:09] is expected
[2:04:09] to absorb
[2:04:10] all existing
[2:04:11] personnel.
[2:04:12] Is the BGMP
[2:04:13] truly ready
[2:04:14] not just on paper,
[2:04:15] but in terms of
[2:04:16] actual manpower
[2:04:17] and logistical
[2:04:17] capability
[2:04:18] to absorb
[2:04:19] these facilities
[2:04:20] and personnel
[2:04:21] within the
[2:04:22] three-year
[2:04:23] prescribed period?
[2:04:24] Three-year
[2:04:25] lang yung
[2:04:25] transition
[2:04:25] period eh.
[2:04:26] So,
[2:04:27] without compromising
[2:04:28] your current
[2:04:29] operations.
[2:04:31] So,
[2:04:31] kaya ba natin
[2:04:32] yun,
[2:04:32] i-absorb
[2:04:32] yung personnel,
[2:04:34] yung logistics,
[2:04:36] ng 80
[2:04:36] provincial
[2:04:37] and sub-provincial
[2:04:38] jails
[2:04:38] within three years?
[2:04:40] Yes, sir,
[2:04:41] Your Honor.
[2:04:41] Because,
[2:04:41] currently,
[2:04:42] sir,
[2:04:43] the BGMP
[2:04:45] has
[2:04:45] more than
[2:04:47] 26,000
[2:04:48] personnel
[2:04:49] nationwide.
[2:04:51] And,
[2:04:52] sanay naman,
[2:04:52] sir,
[2:04:53] ang BGMP
[2:04:53] na
[2:04:53] nag-multitask.
[2:04:57] So,
[2:04:57] if the
[2:04:58] provincial
[2:04:58] jails
[2:04:59] will be
[2:04:59] given to
[2:05:00] the
[2:05:00] BGMP,
[2:05:02] yung mga
[2:05:02] personnel
[2:05:03] namin,
[2:05:03] sir,
[2:05:03] maglilipat
[2:05:04] lang kami
[2:05:05] ng
[2:05:05] personnel
[2:05:05] sa
[2:05:06] provincial
[2:05:06] jails.
[2:05:10] Yes.
[2:05:11] And,
[2:05:11] besides,
[2:05:11] sir,
[2:05:12] we are
[2:05:12] given
[2:05:12] by the
[2:05:13] DBM
[2:05:14] additional
[2:05:14] of
[2:05:14] 2,000
[2:05:15] jail
[2:05:15] officers
[2:05:16] every year.
[2:05:19] Mayroon
[2:05:19] po kami
[2:05:19] additional
[2:05:20] na
[2:05:20] 2,000
[2:05:21] personnel
[2:05:21] every year.
[2:05:26] Okay.
[2:05:27] So,
[2:05:28] sa usapin
[2:05:28] ng integration
[2:05:29] policy,
[2:05:29] paano
[2:05:30] natin
[2:05:30] may kita
[2:05:30] ang
[2:05:31] magiging
[2:05:31] framework
[2:05:31] ng
[2:05:32] BGMP
[2:05:32] para sa
[2:05:33] integration
[2:05:34] facility
[2:05:35] assessments,
[2:05:36] particularly
[2:05:37] on structural
[2:05:38] integrity,
[2:05:38] fire safety,
[2:05:39] compliance
[2:05:39] to the
[2:05:40] national
[2:05:40] detention
[2:05:41] standards.
[2:05:42] So,
[2:05:43] yung po.
[2:05:44] Yes,
[2:05:44] sir,
[2:05:45] we have
[2:05:45] done it
[2:05:45] before.
[2:05:46] At present,
[2:05:46] sir,
[2:05:47] actually,
[2:05:47] we already
[2:05:48] have 11
[2:05:49] provincial
[2:05:50] governors,
[2:05:51] governments
[2:05:52] that
[2:05:53] transferred
[2:05:54] the
[2:05:54] administration
[2:05:55] and
[2:05:55] supervision
[2:05:55] of their
[2:05:56] provincial
[2:05:56] jails
[2:05:56] to the
[2:05:57] BGMP.
[2:05:58] We have
[2:05:59] done it
[2:05:59] through
[2:05:59] execution
[2:06:00] of
[2:06:01] memorandum
[2:06:01] of
[2:06:01] agreement.
[2:06:03] However,
[2:06:03] sadly,
[2:06:04] in 2020,
[2:06:05] the
[2:06:05] DOJ
[2:06:06] founded
[2:06:07] Ultra
[2:06:07] BIRES
[2:06:08] and
[2:06:08] COA,
[2:06:10] nagkaroon po
[2:06:11] ng
[2:06:11] COA findings
[2:06:12] na pinababalik
[2:06:14] sa amin
[2:06:15] yung
[2:06:17] provincial
[2:06:18] jails
[2:06:18] sa respective
[2:06:19] provincial
[2:06:19] governors.
[2:06:20] However,
[2:06:21] ginawa naman
[2:06:21] po sa
[2:06:21] binabalik
[2:06:23] namin,
[2:06:23] pero
[2:06:23] ayaw na
[2:06:23] talagang
[2:06:24] tanggapin
[2:06:25] pabalik
[2:06:25] ng mga
[2:06:25] governors
[2:06:26] because
[2:06:27] iniwanan
[2:06:27] na
[2:06:28] nila
[2:06:28] sir
[2:06:28] at
[2:06:28] naniniwala
[2:06:29] sila
[2:06:29] na
[2:06:29] kami
[2:06:30] yung
[2:06:30] dapat
[2:06:30] talagang
[2:06:31] nagmamanage
[2:06:31] ng
[2:06:31] provincial
[2:06:32] jails.
[2:06:33] So,
[2:06:34] katulad
[2:06:34] sir,
[2:06:34] nung ginawa
[2:06:34] namin
[2:06:35] through
[2:06:35] MOA,
[2:06:36] nagkaroon
[2:06:36] din
[2:06:36] sir,
[2:06:36] ng
[2:06:36] three-year
[2:06:37] transition
[2:06:37] period
[2:06:38] during
[2:06:38] that
[2:06:38] time
[2:06:39] between
[2:06:39] the
[2:06:39] BGMP
[2:06:40] and
[2:06:40] the
[2:06:40] provincial
[2:06:41] governments.
[2:06:42] Yung
[2:06:42] kanila
[2:06:42] po mga
[2:06:42] personnel
[2:06:43] ay
[2:06:44] during
[2:06:45] the
[2:06:45] transition
[2:06:45] period
[2:06:46] naka-augment
[2:06:47] sir
[2:06:47] sa
[2:06:47] BGMP
[2:06:48] sa
[2:06:48] pagbabantay
[2:06:49] ng
[2:06:49] provincial
[2:06:50] jails
[2:06:50] and
[2:06:51] yung
[2:06:51] mga
[2:06:51] qualified
[2:06:52] po
[2:06:52] na
[2:06:52] pasok
[2:06:53] sa
[2:06:53] qualification
[2:06:55] standards
[2:06:55] set by
[2:06:56] the
[2:06:56] Civil
[2:06:56] Service
[2:06:56] Commission
[2:06:57] were
[2:06:57] absorbed
[2:06:58] by
[2:06:58] the
[2:06:58] BGMP
[2:06:58] in fact
[2:06:59] marami
[2:06:59] mga
[2:07:00] former
[2:07:00] provincial
[2:07:01] jail
[2:07:01] guards
[2:07:01] na
[2:07:01] ngayon
[2:07:01] ay
[2:07:02] jail
[2:07:02] officers
[2:07:02] na.
[2:07:03] So,
[2:07:03] gano'n po.
[2:07:04] Then,
[2:07:05] during
[2:07:05] the
[2:07:05] transition
[2:07:06] period
[2:07:06] also,
[2:07:07] the
[2:07:07] provincial
[2:07:08] governments
[2:07:09] are
[2:07:10] helping
[2:07:11] the
[2:07:12] BGMP
[2:07:13] through
[2:07:14] sila sir
[2:07:15] yung
[2:07:16] nag-ano
[2:07:16] sa
[2:07:16] MOA
[2:07:17] sa
[2:07:17] water
[2:07:19] bills,
[2:07:19] electricity
[2:07:20] bills,
[2:07:21] something like
[2:07:21] that,
[2:07:21] nagpo-provide
[2:07:22] din sir
[2:07:22] sila
[2:07:22] ng mga
[2:07:23] gasoline
[2:07:24] allowance
[2:07:24] of supplies
[2:07:25] including
[2:07:26] yung
[2:07:27] ibang
[2:07:29] mga
[2:07:29] equipment
[2:07:30] nila
[2:07:30] like
[2:07:30] firearms
[2:07:31] and
[2:07:31] vehicles.
[2:07:32] So,
[2:07:32] pinapahirampo
[2:07:33] nila
[2:07:33] sa amin
[2:07:34] until
[2:07:34] such
[2:07:34] time
[2:07:35] na
[2:07:35] after
[2:07:35] that
[2:07:35] three
[2:07:36] years
[2:07:36] fully
[2:07:36] BGMP
[2:07:37] na po
[2:07:38] yung
[2:07:38] nagmamanage.
[2:07:40] So,
[2:07:40] I think
[2:07:41] kung
[2:07:41] may papasa
[2:07:42] yung
[2:07:43] bill,
[2:07:43] sir,
[2:07:43] gano'n din
[2:07:43] sir,
[2:07:44] yung
[2:07:44] scheme
[2:07:45] na
[2:07:45] mangyayari
[2:07:46] during
[2:07:47] the
[2:07:47] transition
[2:07:47] period.
[2:07:50] So,
[2:07:50] siguro
[2:07:51] sa
[2:07:51] usapin
[2:07:52] ng
[2:07:52] facilities
[2:07:53] most
[2:07:54] provincial
[2:07:55] jails
[2:07:55] facilities
[2:07:57] are
[2:07:57] much
[2:07:58] older
[2:07:58] than
[2:07:58] those
[2:07:59] current
[2:08:00] facility
[2:08:01] under
[2:08:02] the
[2:08:02] bureau
[2:08:03] being
[2:08:03] managed
[2:08:03] by
[2:08:04] the
[2:08:04] bureau.
[2:08:05] So,
[2:08:05] based
[2:08:05] sa
[2:08:05] current
[2:08:06] facility
[2:08:06] development
[2:08:07] plan,
[2:08:07] meron
[2:08:08] na ba
[2:08:08] kayong
[2:08:08] initial
[2:08:08] audit
[2:08:09] dun sa
[2:08:10] mga
[2:08:11] provincial
[2:08:13] jails
[2:08:13] at
[2:08:14] current
[2:08:15] provision
[2:08:15] jails
[2:08:16] kung
[2:08:17] halimbawa
[2:08:18] na
[2:08:18] i-absorb
[2:08:19] ang BGMP
[2:08:19] para
[2:08:20] ma-rehabilitate
[2:08:21] so,
[2:08:22] meron ba
[2:08:22] tayong
[2:08:22] kinakailangka?
[2:08:23] Of
[2:08:23] course,
[2:08:23] may
[2:08:24] capital
[2:08:25] outlay
[2:08:25] dito,
[2:08:26] meron ba
[2:08:27] tayong
[2:08:28] audit
[2:08:28] dito,
[2:08:28] meron ba
[2:08:29] tayong
[2:08:29] initial
[2:08:33] audit
[2:08:34] para
[2:08:34] malaman
[2:08:34] natin
[2:08:34] kung
[2:08:35] ilan
[2:08:35] yung
[2:08:35] kailangan
[2:08:35] ayusin,
[2:08:36] magkano
[2:08:36] kaya
[2:08:37] kailangan
[2:08:37] para
[2:08:37] mapagandaan
[2:08:38] natin
[2:08:38] just in
[2:08:39] case.
[2:08:40] Since
[2:08:40] I also
[2:08:40] handled
[2:08:41] the
[2:08:42] budget
[2:08:45] of
[2:08:45] the
[2:08:46] DILG
[2:08:46] which
[2:08:47] includes
[2:08:47] the
[2:08:48] BJMP.
[2:08:56] I'm
[2:08:56] sorry,
[2:08:56] sir.
[2:08:56] Sir,
[2:08:56] we have
[2:08:56] an estimate
[2:08:57] of
[2:08:57] 4.5
[2:08:58] billion
[2:08:58] to
[2:08:59] cover
[2:09:00] the
[2:09:01] budgetary
[2:09:01] requirements
[2:09:02] para sa
[2:09:03] absorption
[2:09:04] ng mga
[2:09:04] provincial
[2:09:05] jails.
[2:09:06] 4.5
[2:09:06] billion?
[2:09:07] Yes, sir.
[2:09:07] For 80
[2:09:08] provinces
[2:09:09] na po
[2:09:09] yan?
[2:09:10] Yes, sir.
[2:09:12] For
[2:09:13] 60
[2:09:14] provinces
[2:09:15] because
[2:09:15] yung
[2:09:16] ibang
[2:09:16] provincial
[2:09:17] jails
[2:09:17] nasa
[2:09:17] amin
[2:09:18] na
[2:09:18] sir.
[2:09:18] So
[2:09:20] 60
[2:09:20] na
[2:09:20] pala?
[2:09:21] Yes, sir.
[2:09:22] So
[2:09:23] sa DBM,
[2:09:24] ma'am,
[2:09:25] siguro
[2:09:25] last
[2:09:25] na po
[2:09:26] para
[2:09:26] makaano
[2:09:26] na
[2:09:26] kayo.
[2:09:27] Meron
[2:09:28] po tayong
[2:09:28] medium
[2:09:29] term
[2:09:29] fiscal
[2:09:30] estimates
[2:09:30] sa magiging
[2:09:31] dagdag
[2:09:31] na
[2:09:31] obligasyon
[2:09:31] ng
[2:09:32] national
[2:09:32] government
[2:09:32] post
[2:09:33] integration.
[2:09:35] Is
[2:09:35] there
[2:09:35] any
[2:09:36] medium
[2:09:37] term
[2:09:37] fiscal
[2:09:38] estimates
[2:09:38] with
[2:09:40] additional
[2:09:41] obligations?
[2:09:42] Yes, sir.
[2:09:43] We
[2:09:45] related
[2:09:45] the
[2:09:45] submission
[2:09:46] of the
[2:09:46] BGMP
[2:09:47] sir
[2:09:47] kasi
[2:09:47] sila po
[2:09:48] yung
[2:09:48] na
[2:09:49] compute
[2:09:51] ng
[2:09:51] budgetary
[2:09:52] requirements
[2:09:53] and
[2:09:53] what
[2:09:54] we
[2:09:54] have
[2:09:54] here
[2:09:55] is
[2:09:55] the
[2:09:56] submission
[2:09:56] as
[2:09:58] of
[2:09:59] January
[2:09:59] 2026
[2:10:00] amounting
[2:10:01] to
[2:10:01] 3.4
[2:10:01] billion.
[2:10:07] Thank
[2:10:07] you.
[2:10:08] Siguro
[2:10:09] you can
[2:10:09] ask
[2:10:09] DILG.
[2:10:16] We
[2:10:17] have
[2:10:17] training
[2:10:18] institutes
[2:10:18] is
[2:10:19] there
[2:10:21] a
[2:10:21] modular
[2:10:21] certification
[2:10:22] pathways
[2:10:22] na
[2:10:23] pwedeng
[2:10:23] i-take
[2:10:24] ng mga
[2:10:24] personnel
[2:10:25] habang
[2:10:25] nasa
[2:10:26] servisyo pa
[2:10:27] sila.
[2:10:29] Training
[2:10:31] po.
[2:10:33] Meron po
[2:10:33] yan
[2:10:34] sa
[2:10:34] mandatory
[2:10:37] training
[2:10:38] and
[2:10:39] special
[2:10:39] courses
[2:10:41] under
[2:10:42] Philippine
[2:10:43] Public
[2:10:43] Safety
[2:10:43] College.
[2:10:46] Thank you
[2:10:46] po.
[2:10:47] Siguro
[2:10:47] before
[2:10:47] we
[2:10:47] end
[2:10:48] this,
[2:10:50] just
[2:10:50] like
[2:10:50] to
[2:10:50] ask
[2:10:50] yung
[2:10:51] feedback
[2:10:51] siguro
[2:10:51] sa
[2:10:52] League of
[2:10:53] Provinces
[2:10:53] ma'am
[2:10:54] if you
[2:10:54] can
[2:10:54] help
[2:10:56] pass
[2:10:56] doon
[2:10:57] po
[2:10:57] sa
[2:10:57] we
[2:10:59] wrote
[2:10:59] the
[2:10:59] letter
[2:10:59] to
[2:11:00] the
[2:11:00] different
[2:11:00] provinces
[2:11:01] yung
[2:11:01] mga
[2:11:01] positions
[2:11:02] nila
[2:11:02] so
[2:11:02] that
[2:11:02] we
[2:11:03] will
[2:11:03] always
[2:11:04] take
[2:11:04] into
[2:11:04] consideration
[2:11:05] and
[2:11:05] respect
[2:11:05] of
[2:11:06] course
[2:11:06] the
[2:11:07] local
[2:11:07] government
[2:11:07] unit
[2:11:08] lalo
[2:11:08] na
[2:11:08] po
[2:11:08] mga
[2:11:09] pinja
[2:11:09] so
[2:11:10] that
[2:11:11] hindi
[2:11:11] naman
[2:11:11] pwede
[2:11:11] sabihin
[2:11:12] na
[2:11:12] hindi
[2:11:12] sila
[2:11:12] kinonsulta
[2:11:13] because
[2:11:14] we
[2:11:14] wrote
[2:11:14] them
[2:11:15] all
[2:11:15] the
[2:11:15] letter
[2:11:15] the
[2:11:15] committee
[2:11:15] sent
[2:11:16] letters
[2:11:17] for
[2:11:17] the
[2:11:17] position
[2:11:18] so
[2:11:18] meron
[2:11:18] mga
[2:11:19] ilan
[2:11:19] nag
[2:11:19] respond
[2:11:19] meron
[2:11:20] merong
[2:11:20] inaantay
[2:11:21] pa
[2:11:21] so
[2:11:22] meron
[2:11:22] namang
[2:11:22] ano
[2:11:23] as
[2:11:23] you
[2:11:23] said
[2:11:24] wala
[2:11:24] ho
[2:11:24] kayong
[2:11:24] idea
[2:11:25] ngayon
[2:11:26] but
[2:11:26] we
[2:11:26] would
[2:11:26] want
[2:11:26] to
[2:11:27] get
[2:11:27] those
[2:11:28] in
[2:11:28] favor
[2:11:28] and
[2:11:29] those
[2:11:29] who
[2:11:29] are
[2:11:29] not
[2:11:30] so
[2:11:30] probably
[2:11:30] if
[2:11:30] meron
[2:11:32] not
[2:11:33] in favor
[2:11:33] then
[2:11:33] probably
[2:11:34] we can
[2:11:34] discuss
[2:11:35] it
[2:11:35] with
[2:11:35] them
[2:11:36] siguro
[2:11:37] yung
[2:11:37] BJMP
[2:11:38] can
[2:11:38] explain
[2:11:39] yun po
[2:11:40] we
[2:11:41] just
[2:11:43] want
[2:11:43] to
[2:11:43] make
[2:11:43] sure
[2:11:43] that
[2:11:43] everyone
[2:11:44] is
[2:11:44] all the
[2:11:45] stakeholders
[2:11:45] especially
[2:11:46] provincial
[2:11:46] ito
[2:11:47] it's
[2:11:47] very
[2:11:48] important
[2:11:48] yung
[2:11:48] positions
[2:11:49] of
[2:11:49] provinces
[2:11:49] okay
[2:11:50] sige
[2:11:51] po
[2:11:52] mr.
[2:11:52] chair
[2:11:52] we
[2:11:52] will
[2:11:53] help
[2:11:53] you
[2:11:53] on
[2:11:53] this
[2:11:53] po
[2:11:54] yes
[2:11:57] since
[2:11:58] there
[2:11:58] are
[2:11:58] no
[2:11:58] more
[2:11:58] matters
[2:11:59] to
[2:11:59] discuss
[2:11:59] unless
[2:12:00] anybody
[2:12:01] would
[2:12:01] want
[2:12:01] to
[2:12:01] add
[2:12:03] anything
[2:12:03] kung
[2:12:04] wala
[2:12:04] na
[2:12:04] po
[2:12:04] ay
[2:12:05] nagpapasalamat
[2:12:07] kong
[2:12:08] committee
[2:12:08] on
[2:12:08] public
[2:12:09] order
[2:12:09] and
[2:12:09] safety
[2:12:10] sa
[2:12:10] inyong
[2:12:10] aktibong
[2:12:11] pakikilahok
[2:12:12] sa
[2:12:12] mga
[2:12:13] tinalakay
[2:12:15] na
[2:12:15] mga
[2:12:15] panukalan
[2:12:17] batas
[2:12:17] sa
[2:12:18] umagang
[2:12:18] ito
[2:12:19] so
[2:12:19] we
[2:12:20] join
[2:12:20] everyone
[2:12:21] to
[2:12:21] submit
[2:12:21] their
[2:12:21] respective
[2:12:22] position
[2:12:22] papers
[2:12:23] to
[2:12:23] the
[2:12:24] committee
[2:12:24] for
[2:12:25] further
[2:12:25] inputs
[2:12:26] to
[2:12:26] the
[2:12:26] committee
[2:12:27] for
[2:12:27] the
[2:12:27] enhancement
[2:12:27] of
[2:12:27] the
[2:12:28] proposed
[2:12:28] legislation
[2:12:29] so
[2:12:30] with
[2:12:30] that
[2:12:30] there
[2:12:31] being
[2:12:31] other
[2:12:31] questions
[2:12:32] this
[2:12:32] hereby
[2:12:32] adjourned
[2:12:34] thank
[2:12:36] you
[2:12:36] thank you
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