NEWS: Jared Moskowitz And Carol Swain Clash At Hearing On The Southern Poverty Law Center

[0:00] Gentleman from Florida is recognized. [0:03] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [0:04] I want to go back really quick to the questioning by Ms. Crockett, [0:11] just because I thought it was actually an easy line of questioning, [0:15] and I want to give everyone an opportunity just to clarify. [0:18] Ms. Swan, the neo-Nazis are a supremacist group, right? [0:21] I know you talked about your book, but neo-Nazis are a supremacist group. [0:24] May I define a white supremacist? [0:26] Because I did a Cambridge University Press book, and when I did my research... [0:31] I know, but Ms. Swan, you're doing what the university professors did [0:36] with Elise Stefanik, talking about, well, what's the definition of this? [0:40] No, I'm giving you a definition because you all don't have one. [0:43] No, no, the neo-Nazis are a supremacist group. [0:46] They believe they're supreme, right? [0:49] That's why they wanted to put people in camps that they believed were not pure. [0:54] Neo-Nazis are a supremacist group, right? [0:56] I mean, this is not a trick question, Ms. Swan. [0:59] I'm not trying to trip you up in the fact that you're... [1:02] I would like to define a white supremacist, and when I did my research, [1:06] it was white people who believed that because of their race, [1:08] they were superior to other groups. [1:10] But the left redefined white supremacists [1:13] so that it could include any white person in this room, including you all. [1:18] Hold on. That's a wonderful speech and a filibuster. [1:20] No, it's true. [1:22] Are neo-Nazis supremacists? [1:25] It depends on which ones. They're individuals. [1:28] I didn't ask you which ones. [1:30] Some of them are plain old anti... [1:31] Are neo-Nazi... [1:32] Ms. Swan, listen, I'm not reading your book if you literally can't answer this question. [1:36] Are neo-Nazis supremacists? [1:38] They're individuals. Some are, and some may be just plain old anti-Semites. [1:43] No, no. Neo-Nazis are anti-Semites, okay? We're going to agree there. [1:46] Right, okay. [1:47] But they're also supremacists, Ms. Swan. [1:49] Okay, if you agree... [1:50] No, no, no, no. You don't have to take my word for it, right? [1:53] Like, they are. That's the whole reason they exist. [1:57] Because they believe they are supreme. [1:59] You all don't seem to understand that a white supremacist... [2:02] Who's they all? I'm not a neo-Nazi. Who's they all? [2:05] I'm a regular person asking another regular person... [2:08] Okay. [2:08] ...if we can agree that neo-Nazis are supremacists. [2:11] Okay, I will agree with you. [2:12] Okay, I don't want you to be forced into it. [2:14] I would agree with you, but I suggest you all take the time [2:17] and read my Cambridge University Press book that was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize. [2:22] Dr. Swan, I can promise you there's no freaking way I'm buying your book [2:25] when it took two minutes for you to look at me [2:28] and had to convince you that neo-Nazi... Listen... [2:31] Because I don't like the talking points. [2:33] This is not a talking point. This is 100 years of history. [2:37] Watch this. I'm going to show you how easy it is. [2:38] Mr. Perkins, are neo-Nazis supremacists? [2:42] They are supremacists. [2:43] Thank you, sir. Mr. O'Neill. [2:45] Yes. [2:46] Okay. Dr. Swan, that wasn't a trick question for them. [2:48] I wasn't trying to trip them up. [2:49] I wasn't using DNC talking points. [2:52] This is part of the problem. [2:54] And I didn't even want to do this, quite frankly, [2:57] because I'm not interested in making this stuff political. [2:59] I got Democratic candidates in Texas coming out yesterday [3:04] and saying that Jews belong in concentration camps again. [3:08] It's terrible. [3:09] Like, we're in real bad times. [3:12] I agree. [3:12] And so if we put all this, if we put these hateful conversations in our political box [3:19] and we do the whataboutism, this is just going to continue to spread hate. [3:25] I agree 100%. We agree. [3:28] Right. And that's why we got to be able to at least agree to a simple set of facts [3:33] that neo-Nazis are supremacists. [3:35] Right? Okay. [3:36] We've moved on. We've moved on. You're there. [3:39] But you all use white supremacists as a broad statement. [3:42] It doesn't apply to every white person. [3:44] Listen, I didn't say anything other than they're supremacists. [3:47] Okay. [3:47] And they are. [3:48] I apologize to you, sir. [3:49] Okay. No, you don't have to apologize to me. [3:51] I just want you to understand, like, if we can't agree on a simple set of facts, [3:55] then we can't solve real problems. [3:58] So, you know, Mr. Chairman, you know, this obviously was a specific topic [4:03] that you had scheduled a couple weeks ago and invited these witnesses in. [4:07] But I got to be honest, like, the last week, the amount of anti-Semitic messages, [4:15] voicemails, text messages I have gotten, stuff on my social media, [4:19] an assassination plot, you know, a couple months ago, someone serving 25 years in jail. [4:25] And now watching someone running for office trying to join the greatest deliberative body [4:31] ever created on this planet who thinks the way forward for America is to look at 1940s Germany. [4:40] Okay. [4:40] My grandmother was part of the Kindertransport out of Germany. [4:43] Her parents died in Auschwitz. [4:45] My kids are not going to an internment camp. [4:48] I can assure you. [4:49] And it's becoming so normalized. [4:54] It is, you know, we've gone from, you know, like, oh, there's Americans who donate to elected officials, [5:03] you know, that are AIPAC. [5:05] And then it's, you know, okay, Netanyahu. [5:07] And then it's, you know, okay, you know, maybe we shouldn't support foreign money. [5:11] And then, okay, now we're going to call these people Zionists. [5:13] And now we're at concentration camps. [5:15] By the way, we got to concentration camps much faster than I thought we would get. [5:18] But here we are. [5:20] And it's real scary. [5:22] People are scared. [5:24] People don't want to show their Jewish stars anymore. [5:27] They're moving into neighborhoods just to be around other Jews because they're concerned. [5:32] And one of my Republican colleagues, I know I'm over, Mr. Chairman. [5:36] I'm going to wrap it up. [5:37] One of my Republican colleagues asked, like, do we know why it's spreading? [5:40] Hate, all sorts of hate, not just anti-Semitism. [5:43] This is why it's spreading. [5:45] It's all here. [5:46] It's really here. [5:48] Go poll young kids versus seniors. [5:51] It's a dramatic difference in the amount of hate young kids have versus seniors. [5:56] This is the difference. [5:57] You're seeing it in voting patterns. [5:59] You're seeing it in belief systems. [6:02] We've let foreign governments and bots just totally weaponize this. [6:07] No countries can beat us militarily. [6:09] We're stronger than everyone combined. [6:11] But they have gotten us fighting amongst ourselves, dividing us at each other's throats. [6:17] So if you ask me why things are so bad, I mean, just spend a couple minutes, go to my Twitter, go look at some happy things, like a happy Veterans Day or happy Memorial Day that I posted. [6:30] And look at the hate I get, you know, it is out of control. [6:34] So, Mr. Chairman, I appreciate you doing this hearing in general. [6:37] But hate and hate, real hate, is spreading in this country in ways that my grandparents, they're gone. [6:47] But I can't imagine if they were alive to see what was going on here. [6:52] And I yield back. [6:52] Thank you for the extra time, Mr. Chairman. [6:53] Well, I appreciate what the gentleman said. [6:56] And one of the things I have personally made a commitment to do is keep it out of our party, the party I belong to. [7:03] And I know you are doing unbelievable amount of work trying to keep it out of your party. [7:07] The once great party of FDR and JFK, we're seeing things there that are just not healthy for this great nation. [7:15] And I'm committed to doing everything I can to make sure it doesn't get involved in the Republican Party. [7:20] And I appreciate your words because it is scary. [7:24] Very scary. [7:24] The gentleman from Missouri is recognized. [7:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [7:28] Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have to say I agree with a lot of what my colleague, Mr.