Anna Kepner Case — What the COURT TRANSCRIPTS REVEALED! — Mackenzie Shirilla's FATHER INTERVIEW!

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always got caught but it is what it is all right [5:56] guys so let's get it together i had to push back because we had to do a little bit of a title [6:00] realignment and stuff so um i went and i got i actually shout out to plunder i got the transcripts [6:07] from plunder um where i wanted to find out exactly what the um the feds are saying that her i feel some [6:18] type of way th okay i did use this picture his picture's all over tmz has it his legal name is out [6:24] there but the government is calling him th so i'm going to call him th for now um but th what th did [6:30] to anna kempner we have those documents and then i also have um clips of the interview that apparently [6:36] is like a new interview that mckenzie's dad did um with i believe drip drop now somebody came in my [6:43] comments it's like how do you not know who trip drop is i do know who trip drop is um he's followed [6:49] a lot of cases on youtube uh so you know i'm well aware of who he is uh i mean do i always agree with [6:57] everything that he puts out no i don't um personally you know but hey you know to each his own he's allowed [7:05] to put out content right uh so i think the one case that i remember him talking a lot about where i [7:10] disagreed was the idaho four i just had a difference of opinion but i also didn't follow the idaho four all [7:16] the way to the to where we're at right now so my opinion might be uh a bit of a sway and you know [7:23] doesn't that make you a lot of money to be a bit of a contrarian it does you know it's it's very it's [7:29] very um what's the word to be a contrarian and you know that it exists but it's very profitable [7:41] to go against the grain and not that you need to go with the grain right because i don't always go with [7:47] the grain i always say something different you know and that's fine but i tend to in my opinion [7:53] at least i try unless there's like some speculation i tend to use the facts of what we know to kind of [7:59] support why i'm going against the grain if that makes sense like why this seems kind of off but it [8:04] is very financially uh uh uh smart uh on youtube to go against the grain because it it can make you some [8:13] money shout out to jules uh who says what you said media that you talk about drip drop it's something [8:18] else i mean you know i'm not like do the makeup you know everybody does something a little bit [8:24] different that makes them stand out on youtube so if dressing up like a clown um helps you out i mean [8:30] that's cool i mean it's it's a character right so when i heard um mackenzie's dad on tmz follow true [8:39] crime circus i'm like two i've i've heard of them i don't really follow them a lot but i've heard of [8:44] them and uh yeah i knew who it was so yeah you said don't trust pigeons they're planning a coop [8:52] thank you james thank you so much for the two dollars take it take it thank you my love shout [8:57] out to you thank you hey hey chico all right so let's get it together why don't we go ahead and jump [9:04] over to this interview so yeah there was like an interview shout out to um sylvia who sent us a couple [9:11] clips and we're gonna watch it's been like uploaded fully to youtube maybe it has but this is where [9:20] i've seen it first mackenzie's dad um and there was some controversy about the orange shirt which he does [9:27] tend to address we go talk about that as well let's get into this let's get into this line can tell me [9:33] oh yeah she did it she did it she did it every troll on line can tell me oh yeah she did it she did it she [9:40] did it she did all this you know and oh she was speeding down that road and she didn't hit her [9:46] brakes well she didn't hit her brakes for 4.74 seconds of that ride that's the only that's the [9:52] only information they have four points that's when the black box turned on about five or six seconds [9:57] before she crossed almeda road before it went into the building something happened in that car that [10:03] caused that black box to turn on which was think the car from our car expert that we talked to said that [10:09] the car thought it was flipping over so the black box turned on and started recording the car information [10:14] in a non-linear sort of way and that's important that non-linear sort of way and both and it deployed [10:21] both side airbags and i'm sorry side airbags don't just go pillow fight you know it's not a it's not a it's [10:28] not a soft explosion it's a it's a boom and then there's powder all over the there's powder floating in the car in [10:35] the cabin in the car are you saying the the airbags deployed before the accident to both side air bags [10:43] deployed prior to her car crossing the street to hit the sign to get veered into the building [10:49] that seems like a pretty big piece of information that we didn't get yeah i wonder why the prosecution [10:53] didn't want to use it every troll online can tell me oh yeah she did it she did it she did it she did it [11:00] all this you know and oh she was speeding down that road and she didn't hit her brakes well she didn't hit her [11:05] brakes for 4.74 seconds of that ride hold up only that's the only i think we found it i found the [11:12] interview and this is a channel i've never seen this channel before i hope they're okay me using [11:18] this interview the true crime this week interview with steven sharilla okay so shout out to them i'll [11:24] make sure i drop their link here but it sounds like this is the guy that did the interview or maybe i [11:30] don't know who this guy is but it was uploaded i thought it was the drip drop guy that did the interview [11:35] you could hear him in the background okay wow that's that's it's it's mixed um i i was hoping [11:42] during this process we would get mckenzie's story out or what happened to mckenzie and not necessarily [11:47] what everybody's heard or what everybody keeps gleaming off of misinformation um and i was i want [11:53] to say i was promised that it would be fair but that's what that's what my illusion to what was going [11:58] on i thought they i thought they came to us um thinking that my daughter is a monster and that she did [12:03] this and she's hell on wheels and she picked that road and blah blah blah you know what the judge [12:07] said but i think after they started talking to us i think we opened their eyes to well maybe there's [12:11] something funny going on here um and that's and that's where i thought it was and then when it came [12:16] out a lot of the stuff we talked about just wasn't there you know there wasn't a lot about the fact [12:21] that there's no evidence of pre-meditation um prior prior calculation or intent it's just it's not there [12:28] and in every troll online can tell me oh yeah okay so let me ask you guys a question real quick [12:34] because he kind of goes into this pre-meditation now the way that the netflix documentary framed it [12:39] which i think was also by the interviews with the prosecutor they said that you know she had uh um [12:46] there was other messages prior where she had threatened to you know drive and and basically off [12:55] them both while she's driving off right that this was a thing so i wonder if they're not considering [13:03] that but i'm pretty sure that that's what the prosecution used as pre-meditation that there was [13:07] this message about uh you know mckenzie and dom and you know she was driving erratic and dom being [13:13] worried that she was going to k both of them or something to that effect if i remember that message [13:19] she did it she did it she did it she did all this you know oh she was speeding down that road and [13:23] she didn't hit her brakes well she didn't hit her brakes for 4.74 seconds of that ride that's the [13:27] only that's the only information they have four points that's when the black box turned on about [13:32] five or six seconds before she crossed almeter road before it went to the building something [13:36] happened in that car that caused that black box to turn on which was think the car from our car [13:40] expert that we talked to said that the car thought it was flipping over so the black box turned on and [13:45] started recording the car information in a non-linear sort of way and that's important that non-linear sort [13:50] away and both and it deployed both side airbags and i'm sorry side hair bags don't just go pillow [13:55] fight you know it's not a it's not a it's not a soft explosion it's a it's a boom and then there's [14:00] powder all over there's powder floating in the car in the cabin of the car thank you and i think that [14:05] that's was that was the message that they use right if you are to go by what the netflix doc says [14:10] thank you so much um he called to be picked up because she was threatened to crash the car i mean that's [14:16] scary if you've ever been in a car with somebody who's driving erratically you know just to scare [14:21] the out of you i've had that happen to me and it's it's a really scary thing this is the wildest family [14:26] i'm like are you hearing yourself sir even if they hear themselves they i just don't think that he [14:35] gets it right ultimately she shouldn't have been driving right i i don't know it's like i can't read [14:42] the room the uh airbags deployed before the accident to both cider both cider bags deployed prior [14:50] to her car crossing the street to hit the sign to get veered into the building that seems like a [14:54] pretty big piece of information that we didn't get yeah i wonder why the prosecution didn't want to use [14:57] it you know i mean it was they had it they got the black box information the black box is a non-linear [15:02] function it doesn't it doesn't it's like it's like an airport you know airplane black box but it [15:06] doesn't record sound and what's going on in the cabin it records mechanical aspects of the car [15:11] braking accelerating blah blah that kind of stuff um so the only the only actual evidence hard [15:18] knock on wood evidence is from 4.74 seconds of that black box that's not talking what happened prior [15:24] yeah all the way to when she turned that's another that's another what so everything everything we saw [15:28] in the in that video her speeding at the um that last that last that last moment that's that's after [15:34] the black box turned on and after the airbags deployed so it could just be you know three kids in the [15:40] car freaking out because a sasquatch could have pooped popped in the car anything anything i mean it would [15:47] be hard to drive yeah well the the car expert said um he said nobody would be what would be just every [15:53] anybody in that car would be disoriented because of the two explosions and the powder flying you know [15:57] flowing around you wouldn't be able to see so she now i can't i can't i can't explain the speed [16:03] oh sorry i can't explain the speed i mean the girl was posting her smoking and driving right while [16:15] she's smoking and speeding but he can't ex you said is he trying to act like a reconstruction expert now [16:26] right he's obviously does not have a clue of what he can he doesn't get it but he is um he's defending [16:34] his daughter so if you were to ask him what is she guilty of then what does she get convicted if [16:39] they're not in agreement with her conviction then what is she guilty of that's what i don't understand [16:46] right because when they say free mackenzie free mackenzie well to me that just automatically uh [16:53] i assume that the person who you're trying to free is somebody who's been wrongfully convicted [16:58] so what is she responsible for in their eyes i have to kind of wonder like what is he what is he [17:04] thinking sorry i can't explain the speed but i that road is a cut through in strongsville and the [17:11] police know it everybody uses it um i've been down that road at a pretty good clip at times um not [17:16] saying it's right i'm not saying okay it's not at all it's a short it's a short it's a shortcut for [17:21] where she possible before she goes and plus dom does not they're not like going down pearl road he [17:27] liked the why didn't he like going down um he um he sold drugs or at least my understanding is he [17:37] sold marijuana at this time and if he got pulled over and he had marijuana on him he would go to [17:42] jail there's lots of police and there's a lot of police and they sit in the in the shops all the [17:45] way up pearl and they don't really sit back in that industrial parkway like i said it's a cut [17:49] through it's a quick cut through and um he always made it he made her go down through that way even [17:53] even on her prom her mom her christine russo and dom made her go down that road she's she's even [17:58] and i wish my cousin passed away a couple months ago and um it's it's y'all see what he's doing here it's the [18:04] blaming i i cannot y'all see how he's he's shifting the blame y'all see that like well he's a drug [18:15] dealer he made her you know and i'm like sir you literally have her living with somebody who [18:21] is a rug dealer what are you talking about and he could have tested because he was in the car with [18:25] us but he um but my understanding is they go down we go down that road all the time and even in the [18:28] bind over or the the bind over um discovery there's a there's a note and it says we know it's [18:34] with a known cut through so the police know and they even state it it's a known cut through so [18:38] for the judge to go you chose that road and blah blah blah it doesn't make any sense because the [18:42] police the detective you know because he said it knows it's a cut through i mean it's crazy and they [18:47] knew and they and the drugs and so don would have mckenzie hold the drugs how do you know that how do [18:52] you know don don was into that how do you know that because my daughter told me oh he told me that he [18:58] sells marijuana and friends when so you allowed your 17 year old daughter to live with the rug [19:05] dealer when did he like when and see i was thinking about this too because i had to wonder i'm like [19:14] well did they rightfully charge her if we're saying i don't know because i had to wonder about that too [19:20] i said well how and what i was so confused by the netflix documentary is she guilty for is she rightfully [19:27] charged or what like this was confusing to me too because i i don't know i felt like i was missing [19:34] something if she intended to to kill you know um dom and and the friend like was this something that [19:41] was like okay the premeditation is there they showed it they did very well when did she like what [19:46] happened or was it like a spur of the moment type of deal what happened at like five something in the [19:51] morning that they're coming from a sleepover that just made her lose her and then [19:56] suddenly she just runs her car through that wall i don't get it or was she already planning to do this [20:02] before she was just looking for that opportune time that's what i want to know but my thing is [20:07] with this response is dad like literally father so you knew did you know before did you find out [20:13] after that he was selling so you let your child live with the rug dealer you said even bruce rivers [20:20] said with the first degree charge is wrong i have to kind of wonder about the charges too but i mean [20:25] i don't know i wasn't there i kind of want to know how all of that went down i mean we have the [20:29] court documents we could definitely look at them from him and i i just i know a lot of yeah i know [20:35] i just it's just something that i know there's a lot of background that didn't come out in netflix [20:39] either i know he has well i think they're been in trouble yes yeah and that's why that's the reason [20:43] why he would have mercury mule for him carry his drugs so if she got if they got pulled over she got [20:48] trouble for him but it would be just a slap on the wrist basically he had a prior charge for assault as [20:52] well i i heard something about that i don't know the full story on it i think it's some kind of family [20:57] family thing that went on but i don't i don't any idea why that didn't come out in the netflix stuff [21:01] i i don't i don't know i don't i don't know why the netflix people picked what they picked [21:06] why they edited the way they edit um i'm not real happy with the way they edit some of the stuff [21:10] and some of the stuff they picked for me to say i don't i said what i said in it and i meant every [21:14] word that i said um i wasn't trying to hide anything i was trying to be as honest as i could [21:18] but it seemed to be more about me and not about what was happening to my daughter and so i mean like [21:25] i said i'm not i'm not i'm not real happy with how the outcome but if it wins an oscar i guess [21:28] i get an oscar i'm part of an oscar so um there are a couple questions that came up since the [21:34] documentary came out she said if it wins an oscar win an oscar that's the rules of driving not driving [21:45] under the influence and speed you think she got a fair sentence close is very conflicting about [21:50] weather sorry about that i do think it's a stretch but i've seen both sides of the argument very points [22:04] so you can see both angles i that's the part that is like i can see both sides of the [22:10] argument too she's a shitty person don't get me wrong like the parents are shitty she's shitty [22:15] and everything but if we're going by what's factually there and what the charge like does [22:20] the crime meet the charges apparently the judge said that they did right i mean she felt very [22:27] strongly about that but i've seen the arguments for both sides too you said he needs to learn how to [22:31] read the room i i just he doesn't get it but she doesn't get it so you now you know genetically these [22:38] people don't get it um i i think it could have been worse you know i watched it over the weekend [22:43] um but uh oh um there were a couple questions that that had come up one was um there is uh can you [22:49] tell us i mean such a stupid little thing your shirt i mean let me ask again again is this okay i [22:54] don't want i don't want to trigger anybody in this world that i'm wearing an orange polo i hope i hope [22:58] it's not colorblind enough for anybody um the shirt i was wearing is um from drip drop which is [23:03] crime circus on youtube um crime circus has been a defender for my daughter he's made many posts [23:09] saying she's innocent and he shows the evidence and he contradicts people who say no she's guilty [23:13] blah blah blah and he goes no you have to look at this and this you know um he was about a month [23:17] after her trial his um one of his posts showed up with us someone sent it to us and he had he had [23:23] found five or six videos interviews from the strong's police department that were not in the [23:28] discovery or were not in the discovery that we could find and we went over everything and we had [23:32] access to everything during the mind over in the trial um there were five interviews with christine [23:37] russo um dom's brother um two of two of dom's kind friends um the flanagans um and hench um i think [23:47] it's hench the you know because he gets things done christopher martin um the felon that lives in [23:51] christine russo's basement and um he's the one that put you know gave the information or the the the [23:57] intent to mckenzie in her trial he's the one that stated something that didn't happen and we've got [24:02] proof that mckenzie did not threaten that crash that car that day but um these five videos [24:07] are weren't in the discovery and in all the videos everyone he said do y'all think it was in bad taste [24:13] for him to wear the orange shirt he said he's embarrassing short-circuiting is everything a [24:18] marketing scheme for this family listen i would have never like he pointed out is i hope i'm not [24:25] offending people with my shirt okay as inner system mckenzie has a problem passing out or seizes there [24:31] was an issue and they just blew over it and at some point christine russo well during christine [24:35] russo's or the brothers interview because christine and the brother were there and every time the [24:39] detective asked the brother something he starts to answer which seems to be truthful and then christine [24:43] russo talks over him and answers the farm and he goes oh yeah yeah so um at some point christine [24:49] russo says these aren't going to be no one's going to see these right and the detective goes no [24:53] i'm not putting them in so again that's omittance and i don't i yeah that seems against that seems kind [24:59] of shady to me well if there were witnesses that could back up the claim that kenzie occasionally [25:05] passed out or or had these seizures that's that's that's pretty big yeah i would think so i would [25:10] think the detective should you know have a an obligation to look into it but when he got her [25:14] when my understanding is when he got her medical records he picked up him her medical records from [25:17] the day of the crash forward he had nothing about going from the day of the crash back that's true or [25:23] false yeah but that's my understanding okay um people try to so i mean why is that wouldn't that [25:29] be the defenders got a job to pick up that that is my thought right like it's not his job to defend [25:38] he's just interviewing people right wouldn't it be his job to like that'd be her public defender or [25:45] defender whoever right her lawyer you said character is generally not allowed in criminal trials first and [25:51] second degrees are exception to this rule by charging kinsey with first degree the character [25:55] evidence is allowed making the conviction easier ah you said i came in late here uh thought the dude was [26:02] in jail or something i did think that it was i didn't think it was a polo shirt i thought it was like a [26:08] one of them orange shirts and stuff you said um my daughter has pots in the uk you're not allowed to [26:14] drive my daughter has pots in the uk you're not allowed to drive and they didn't disclose it i mean they [26:22] found we found out through the trial right like that's when it was why was she allowed and why [26:27] if that is the case like are you are people with pots allowed to drive in the u.s that's interesting [26:34] nurse janice thank you for sharing um she's not allowed to drive because of it are you supposed to [26:38] disclose that is somebody supposed to drive you around like what in my state if you have a seizure [26:44] you can't drive for six months until you're seizure free and there's medication for things like [26:49] that right wow if it's true that she apparently had seizures or blacked out she shouldn't have a [26:56] driver license there you go i'm sorry the shirt the shirt the shirt is the shirt is crime circus's [27:02] logo or one of his swag that he sells the boom is one of his things so i wore the shirt to say thank you [27:09] for what he was doing for my daughter and he's done a lot and i if i see him i'm gonna hug him you [27:14] know that's the first thing i'm gonna do he's a he's been a very good champion for what i feel is um [27:20] misjustice against my daughter and uh the lack of evidence to support the charges you know and [27:25] so that's that's what that shirt was about not not me being colorblind the two boys dying because [27:29] it's horrible it was horrible i'm i don't the day doesn't go by that i don't think about it and it [27:34] and that was one of the toughest things for me to do with this whole thing at the beginning was [27:38] how can i be happy that my daughter's alive i've been breathing i mean and and the fact that these two [27:43] boys died and dom was part of our family and i however anybody wants to spin it he went everywhere [27:49] with our family he was at easter christmas he was part of our vacations he was part of our family [27:53] you know i i i'm sorry the russo's lost the son and our brother or cousin i'm sorry i i'm sorry the [28:01] flanagan's lost stevian there's nothing there's nothing i can say yeah there's nothing i can do [28:06] of course not to ever ever ever ever change that um we try we i was at the grave site with christine and [28:13] um when he says there's nothing i could say or do you know to change that yeah he's right there [28:19] is nothing that he can say or do but what do you guys think about what he's doing right now [28:24] um in terms of like if he's defending his daughter he's defending his daughter i mean if david anthony [28:31] burke d4vd's parents go to court i expect that i expect them to continue to support their son [28:38] right regardless of the things that he's done or if he's found guilty i feel like that's gonna happen [28:44] no matter what right because i don't know too many people that would just say i'm no longer supporting [28:49] you know you don't support their behavior you you wouldn't support their behavior but you support [28:56] them for the things that they're going through right at the same time you don't enable the behavior [29:03] and that's the thing that that's happening here that even outside of this whole situation this tragic [29:09] you know this tragic situation that they were still enabling a lot of her behavior and even now it [29:15] seems like they're enabling her and she's not there countless days i you know i i talked to the [29:20] dad you know the day i was in my house telling mckenzie he believes her and you know they thought [29:24] it was an accident it's okay and they did this little pendulum thing and they were and then after [29:28] the bind over it stopped you know i i don't and i don't get it you know that none of the evidence [29:32] changed the black box information was the black box information just gave them a place to focus [29:37] their anger well their story it was it was his narrative and even even in uh even in one of those [29:41] drip drop or one of those release videos um the detective saying well i'm just doing what troop [29:45] wants what tim wants you know i'm just you know so they're we believe this detective on day three [29:50] or four already assumed the worst you know and um so that's but that's what the sorry to go back [29:56] to it that's what the shirt was the shirt was a thank you to crime circus wasn't a wasn't a me [30:00] being colored i would assume the worst too i mean you literally you the horrific accident okay [30:05] horrific accident and then there's uh rug kind of tools i think it was like eight ounces of [30:11] of some kind of rug like these are things that i i would i would look to see if the driver is [30:18] responsible to right uh or even interview the surviving and she's the surviving person that's [30:23] what you do yes i have they they're awful yes they are those calls are pretty tone deaf awful yes yes [30:31] oh my god baby bunny and are insensitive to anybody because that's that's the most idiotic [30:36] oh my god why would i do that that's got to be the dumbest take on a shirt you know and again [30:41] everyone it's orange i'm sorry if it's offensive i apologize now i just assumed uh i mean it's a it's [30:46] a graphic t-shirt you and i know you you come from an art background uh graphic design yep graphic design [30:51] yep and then you were teaching art yes yes you know what's happened since the documentary came out well [30:57] um apparently the diocese had a problem with something i said in there along with um did people [31:03] contacted yes that's my understanding there's a there was a website out of parma uh parma something [31:08] and and they i guess they just called in and made all kind of stupid baseless accusations and then [31:15] the diocese has an obligation to protect the kids which i understand but the problem i have with the [31:19] diocese yeah i mean the diocese is catholic right they run their own stuff so they kind of have their [31:25] own rules of what they allow and don't allow doing how they did is they didn't talk to me they just [31:30] acted yeah when i just there it is boom so you were teaching for like a catholic school catholic [31:34] school yes yeah um in the they're saying that that uh you know because of the the drugs or [31:40] something something i mean in the in the documentary we were talking uh we were talking about her [31:44] didn't have a problem with her i don't ever i didn't i didn't as you know as a parent i pick my [31:47] battles you know um i i'm sorry if i find marijuana not that dangerous as i find alcohol or cocaine or [31:56] or whatever you know i i my daughter i pick my battles he said i pick my battles when it comes [32:14] you know it's not even whether marijuana is dangerous or not okay that's not even the point [32:18] but he said i picked my battles you know what that tells me he's a pushover i'm sorry like and i get it [32:26] because sometimes hell even now like my my you know my oldest can be uh no like that that's it right [32:35] these these kids you know you got 15 year olds that try to you know they act like they're 21 and they're [32:42] ready for those real life consequences and it makes you wonder well you pick your battles no i don't want [32:50] you uh smoking and driving can you ask that what like that question needs to be more direct why would you [32:56] allow your daughter to smoke and drive uh why there's you know she was very open with it the [33:03] mama was liking and hearting these videos so it's not like they were oblivious to the things that that [33:10] she was doing they knew what she was doing they just didn't want to hold her accountable because they [33:14] wanted to pick their battles right that's crazy work that's crazy work but hey and whatever else [33:22] seems to think or wants to interpret or glean she seemed mature enough to handle it i didn't see a [33:29] issue it wasn't it wasn't causing her to be late for this or not do this or or get in an accident get [33:35] an accident i'm saying there was there wasn't anything that was and i just i had other battles [33:39] i wanted to fight with her and i taught her uh right along i said look you can't be driving with [33:42] it blah blah watch with you know you can't be careful with with dominic you know if you get caught he [33:47] gets caught you get caught you know all i can do and they really she really listened right because [33:52] like you know so he was aware and i think that this is the part where he he tells himself right [34:00] it's crazy work this teacher and try to try to make her learn she's a lot like me um when i was [34:09] little i needed to do it experience it to learn it you know and don't touch the stove steve don't touch [34:14] the stove and i go touch the stove and i got burned you know it's yeah it's who she is you know she [34:18] has to learn she has to learn she has to go drive the car straight to the wall and take the lives [34:24] of of these two young guys because that's how you learn herself and make her own choices and that's [34:30] what i was doing and she was getting older and and she was they were her and down were making a [34:34] life together now was i greatly happy with the relationship no um this toxic has been thrown around [34:41] a lot i i didn't see the toxic relationship that everybody's saying oh it's toxic this is a toxic [34:45] relationship they argued i argued with my wife everybody argues okay um from what i knew it was [34:52] it wasn't toxic it was they argued they broke up he's over the next day with flowers and candy and a [34:56] stuffed animal i mean it was like every couple of months something would happen you know and my wife [35:01] was helping them try to fix their relationship and they were never ever breaking up and anybody who says [35:06] that is lying and i don't oh my gosh lord have mercy you this guy you said well you know everybody [35:16] breaks up okay like we're not taking away from the fact that um yeah you said the maturity that mckenzie [35:26] is equal honestly to casey anthony well she's not even you know and the thing is it's like what people [35:31] fail to understand is that uh yeah women tend to mature a lot faster but you know you put in um [35:39] take this medical condition this pots right and then you add the factor of smoking we don't know how [35:45] much she's smoking what that looks like a lot of that affects your brain too a lot of that affects [35:50] your ability to to grow and comprehend and i mean even situations like this um you know to be she [35:56] didn't seem like she was very emotionally mature okay let's be very real it didn't give as she was [36:02] both of them didn't give that they were emotionally mature to be in a situation like this that's it [36:07] right and sometimes you have couples that you know they meet at high school and then they grow together [36:14] and whatever and then they kind of grow up together too right you have a situation like that where [36:17] they could be emotionally immature but throughout time they grow up and they develop those you know [36:23] um what is it emotional intelligence to be together and and whatever and sometimes they have children [36:29] and that makes you kind of grow up a little faster but in this situation they weren't ready [36:35] and she wasn't ready to be in a situation where she's living with this guy and anytime she has a fit [36:44] she's going to drive her car straight to a wall like that's not it's not okay right or you speak [36:49] if you're driving with somebody and you're arguing with your significant other and they speed up as a [36:55] way to like get a reaction from you or show you how upset they are that is not okay like all of this [37:02] is just not okay that should have been a red flag a long time ago and it's not just so much everybody [37:07] involved that we're message or we're told to intervene none of that is normal it goes beyond just [37:14] being toxic right like i said uh you know they they couples fight sure okay but there's a difference [37:23] there's something going on here i don't know i mean i could even see where i don't know what their [37:29] marriage looks like but even that i have to kind of side eye what does that even look like i mean he [37:34] seems very passive he seems like he lets people kind of like he doesn't know how to stand his ground [37:38] if he can't do it with his own daughter he's not gonna be able to do it with his wife i'll be honest [37:42] with you and in some points you do need a man if you you know to kind of like you know regulate [37:49] certain situations and then the woman has to step in and regulate certain situations too i don't know [37:53] maybe i'm just i'm pretty old school maybe that's what it is sometimes people who should not raise [37:57] children end up with the worst child with the with the worst child ever and this was imagine hello [38:05] something man i mean literally when a teacher when a teenager fights and parents are uh are this heavily [38:13] involved it is very off you're really calling it out for good rabbit well thank you i mean it just [38:18] seems like it is uh off but i think that um they he's minimizing i'm gonna be honest with you he is [38:29] very much minimizing because i haven't read the messages i haven't read the way in which mackenzie [38:34] talks to her dad but i could tell you that she is not the most respectful kid okay and to me it's like [38:40] you only get one chance to disrespect me girl and then all hell goes lose right especially coming from [38:45] somebody that i birth okay and you behind bars and you telling me you want x y and z or you want [38:52] something no let me remind you the consequences but he doesn't do that he doesn't know how to do [39:00] that it's weird weird as hell i don't care if it's hurtful they were not breaking up they may break up [39:08] but they were getting right back together yeah i was on my daughter all the time i punished her all the [39:11] time okay no you did not no you did not punish her all the time you did not okay you didn't it's not [39:19] it's not of me going okay just go hey go have a whole time go smoke dope have fun drive your car [39:23] really fast i mean that's what it looks like on uh the documentary is it looks like she wasn't even [39:28] living with him how are you punishing a child that's not living with you what does that mean [39:31] what are you telling her go to your room in the other house and close the door you're on time out [39:35] turning your electronics and your you know chi-chi-chong like what are you doing girl no stop [39:41] lying stop lying because you're turning as orange as the shirt that you're wearing right now go away [39:47] girl who has no supervision who smokes weed all the time who makes her own rules with her boyfriend [39:53] how much of that is true she stayed with her boyfriend it was it was they were talking about [39:56] moving in and she was getting close to 18 and if i would have hammered her and locked her into her [40:00] room i mean what am i supposed to do chain her to the bed i mean that's okay i all i can do is [40:04] teach her how to survive and live you know and she knew if there's a problem who to call you know [40:09] she talked to my wife all the time um if these two kids were going to break up and there was a problem [40:14] my wife would already know we would known we would have known it okay um i would have been very happy [40:18] about they broke up i okay no no boy would ever be good enough for my daughter and that's a father you [40:23] know i um but again he did treat her very well you know i i didn't see much of the fight i didn't see [40:28] the stupid little fights or the arguments or the i didn't see it one other thing that came out um [40:34] on i've been trying to catch up on um social media about what people are saying about this there's [40:39] one other weird thing that came up i was hoping that you could explain a little bit the uh i guess [40:43] at one point um kenzie and her mother are caught are caught on tape talking in like what people are [40:49] calling a different language or like it's it's it's carny it's it's gypsy speak yeah okay um is that [40:55] something they would do it's a family thing it's a family thing that my wife grew up with can you speak [40:59] it no it's it's because they do it so fast it's um i know how it works now to see the you add an [41:05] extra syllable and it's easy i think i'm going to say that right it's you it's like it's like a [41:10] pig land it's you're adding vowels or you know you're splitting the word with and um it's something [41:14] the family's my my wife's family has done for years it's it's nothing you know it's like when the [41:18] gypsies and the carnivals would come around long and they didn't want the locals to hear what they [41:21] were saying that's what they would speak yeah she didn't want to be the point is of the matter she [41:24] didn't want to be heard speaking or asking questions particular to us you know to that [41:28] situation you know there's cops there or whatever investigators uh literally are there so they're [41:34] gonna she didn't feel safe just saying what was going on which if that was the case then you either [41:39] excuse the cops or call a lawyer or whatever you know what i mean that's when that should have you [41:43] know come about something to that effect i think the other thing too that gets to me and let me tell [41:48] you all something just a quick little story when i was 18 i moved out of my house yeah [41:55] i moved out of my house i want to say within the 24 hours that i turned 18 i was out i was out i was [42:02] i was out um i moved in with with a boyfriend at the time okay and the day that i turned 18 my parents [42:10] called the cops okay because they knew what was going on all right so to me it was like it's one of [42:17] those things where it's like uh my parents they were not my friends shout out to mom and dad they watch [42:25] uh they were not my friends they're not they're not my friends right they're my parents so even even [42:32] after within hours that i had already turned 18 they were calling the cops because they wanted to [42:38] make sure like they wanted they wanted the cops to bring me home and make sure that you know that i [42:43] stayed put and he couldn't do anything he couldn't do anything i moved out literally maybe you know after [42:50] that i didn't even stay around for too long like i was out so that's different whereas this guy i mean [42:58] you still exercise you're right up until you're 18 now okay there isn't a whole lot i can do but that [43:05] that is that is somebody these are parents my parents were parents that they're not my friends right they [43:10] were my parents and so they weren't they weren't they didn't care you know they were we still gonna call [43:15] and i mean they were you know going through my things to share pictures that i had of the other [43:20] person and to give it to the cops and you know what i'm saying it's like they still try to hold [43:24] to every piece of me there's a difference these this these parents they wanted to make sure that [43:35] to appease their daughter right by you know kind of a plain bad cop i'm grounding you i'm doing this [43:40] and that and the other what does that even mean it's so weird anyways um yeah so shout out to mom [43:46] shout out the mom she watches and even till this day i'm 41 and uh my parents are definitely my [43:53] parents but i think we have a different relationship uh i mean i would never cuss my parent out they [43:58] know that but they do drive me crazy shout out to the parents okay so um my daughter always talk [44:04] that way when they don't want to have someone hear what they're talking about that's what they talk [44:07] about it's it's like um having a german person or japanese out here in america start talking japanese [44:12] because they don't you know it's it's the private thing you know so um um that's what the speech it's [44:17] it's called carny how old was kenzie when she learned how to do she was pretty young she she i've [44:22] never heard anyone say it and i'm sorry i'm smiling it's i'm smiling because it's a it's a good memory [44:26] for me um they they my wife and my daughters it's like it's like these it's like bees and um and during [44:33] this process you know we knew that when my daughter was in the juvenile center or over in county she didn't [44:38] want people around hearing what we were talking about because there's big ears everywhere and then someone's [44:41] going to say something and we didn't want to give away what we were possibly doing in court or how [44:44] we were going to try to defend her so we were trying to be careful what anybody else overheard [44:48] or who was overhearing her you know um or i say we but they were um it's it's just it's a language [44:53] they speak together it's like twins speaking a weird language um it was it was not to hide anything [44:58] nefarious um um there's big talk about something she said in the hospital and she and if you know the [45:03] language she didn't say it yeah okay nothing i think they're trying to say she was saying oh i was seizing her and that didn't [45:08] have that's there's no there's no seezu easy you know if there's no there's no word in that in the [45:13] whole conversation about that um plus my daughter was just out of service the day either day oh that [45:17] was the day of or the day after and she was all kind of pain medication she broke her femur she broke [45:21] her fibula i think it's the fibula right she broke the fibula detached detached tricep um three broken [45:26] ribs a puncture wound through her knee um lacerated liver lacerated kidney bumps and bruises all over [45:31] her face both her carotid arteries were damaged i mean the kid's lucky to be alive so she was on you know [45:36] she didn't really know what she was saying she's just she and she had just found out that she had [45:39] just found out what happened with dom and devian because we didn't tell her at first it was she [45:43] was in so much pain and we just didn't want to add to that so um it strikes me too as like every time [45:49] i think about this it's a really stupid way to commit suicide if that's what you're in god my god she was [45:56] she was not she was not committing suicide there's absolutely no base no it's a really stupid way to commit [46:04] suicide it's a really stupid way to commit suicide i don't know i have a problem with that statement [46:11] but okay um it's just my opinion no evidence no no manifesto no note no video nothing there's not [46:19] one iota of evidence what do you think happened god i okay to be honest i don't know i don't know i [46:25] know the car crashed i know davion and dominic lost their lives i know my daughter was lucky to be alive [46:31] um i i know she went through a i believe she was falsely accused the charges she was accused of not [46:38] i'm not completely getting away she's not completely innocent she was driving a car [46:43] you know and it should have been it should have never left the juvenile court and it should have [46:46] been a vehicular homicide or reckless vehicle homicide and i don't think you could even prove [46:50] reckless with what evidence is not available to to the prosecutor um but um i don't know i i i think i [46:57] think i think it was i i would if i had to give my guess i think it's a bunch of things i think it's [47:02] the perfect storm um i'm pretty good she was probably coming down there 60 70 miles an hour [47:06] okay um one theory is something happened to the car um toyota has a history with that kind of car [47:11] there's it's it's documented it's on the internet it's i don't know um i don't know how they're gonna [47:15] we ever prove it the black box isn't on it's not recording any of that because black box turned on [47:20] down the road um if something happened to the car and the car the gas pedal stuck and accelerated [47:26] all would be in that car is panic and then if that car came around that little bend and it's not a [47:30] it's not a severe bend it's a manageable bend and it hit that dip that used to be in the road [47:33] that the city fixed last year or last summer that car went flying and that's what turned on [47:37] that's what the black box said the car went right to left the car thought it was flipping over the [47:42] black box turned on cider bags went off i mean that's and again the black box is non-linear it [47:46] doesn't it's not a linear recording it doesn't go on you know it's not a it's not a constant like [47:50] every every every micro yeah and a non-linear thing it's going half second half second half second [47:54] half second or microsecond like whatever whatever the the timing is um and our car guy said you [48:00] know you can't necessarily say she never braked um because it could have happened in the in between [48:05] you know and mind you i'm not saying that because there's no proof to that why would i but it could [48:09] happen yeah well sorry um well they're yeah especially the prosecutor and there's more to that [48:16] if we can get to eventually but um at the end of that video the brake lights go on and their [48:21] their character said well that's a safety feature yeah why didn't the brakes go on aren't brakes a safety [48:26] feature by uh design i think so but but what i'm saying is they the brake you can see the brakes clearly [48:33] on the video you clearly see him and his response well that's a safety feature well why did the [48:36] safety feature work prior yeah it didn't hit anything it just went across the road that was [48:41] right we literally are like it's like the little nuances so he's saying the other explanation what [48:47] or defense could be uh the car situation well why wasn't was that not brought up in the trial or in [48:54] the uh bench trial because it went across the road so why is the safety feature only working right there [48:59] so why do you think they went so hard against her ah man well there's there's the part where [49:04] maybe i'll get myself in trouble um i i i i i think there's some conclusion going on i think it's a [49:10] fix i think it's i think it's a favor um that last name russo in this town it's like you know i was [49:16] trying to explain that to somebody having the last name russo in county is like having the last name [49:21] kennedy in boston there might be some what are you saying with that what did i understand what he [49:28] just said he said that the victim because of the victim's last name is that like a leverage for them [49:36] to be able to get justice steve what oh this interview is horrible this interview's did he [49:46] just say that it's the last name russo maybe i missed it hold up hold up hold up hold up ah man [49:53] well there's there's the part where maybe i'll get myself in trouble um i i i i i think there's some [49:59] collusion going on i think it's a fix i think it's i think it's a favor um that last name russo in this [50:05] town it's like you know i was trying to it's is the the death of these two young men a collusion [50:13] and somehow your daughter has been framed the judge's last name was also russo yeah but i mean [50:19] people share last names it doesn't unless you do like a family tree or whatever and if that's the [50:24] case don't you think if there was a connection a familial connection why not call that out i mean you [50:31] just had latisha stout overturn her conviction right so i mean things like these get called out [50:38] all right you're not supposed to be if you're a relative or a family member you not only could you [50:42] not serve in the jury my understanding but you also can't be a prosecutor or an official of the court [50:48] or anything but this right here it's like he framed it in the way in which the last name gives [50:54] them a level of privilege or something explain that to somebody having the last name russo in [51:00] coyote county is like having the last name kennedy in boston there might be some truth to that like [51:04] i said this is there's this is this is a political family you know and and i and i apologize to the [51:11] flanagan family right now if if it was just davian in the car she wouldn't be in jail she would [51:16] go to it it would have never left the juvenile court this has to do with the boy's last name and [51:20] i and the and the judge saying well i don't have a blood relationship look i'm not saying she has got a [51:26] blood relationship i'm saying she has relationships with the russo family and her even saying that in court [51:31] just it's just if if you're gonna believe she doesn't have a relationship is you're fooling [51:38] yourself um oh my god oh my shut up oh my god stop it get some help you need to stop it and get some [51:53] help lord have mercy this is like i i'm a i don't know what to say man and i thought what he said before [52:03] that was crazy this is just like i have a feeling that that the archdiocese is not gonna let him back [52:12] into the school what are you what are you saying sir i i'm not saying it's directly with christine [52:20] russo down the road here but it's it's with somebody you know and there are many many reasons yes in [52:25] judicial yes positions um in fact it was yep and and christine russo was part of that prosecutor's [52:31] office at one point and i believe she's friends with tim true um i think they were in the office together [52:36] um well let me let me jump jump ahead a little bit you know how is um what was uh kenzie's take [52:44] on the documentary how's she doing after this has come out she she's okay i thought she was okay with [52:48] it um she was she's in mary's vault um we she wasn't oh so okay with the fact that they used when [52:54] she turned to the lawyer her lawyer was there with her when she did this and she she turned to him and [52:57] wanted to make sure she said what she wanted to say and that she didn't sound like she's just talking [53:01] gibberish so she she turned to him and they ran with that and let it go and it just makes her seem [53:06] like it was planned performance you know it wasn't um i thought she i thought she did well and she [53:12] looked she was beautiful and i and i think she was very composed um you can see that she's got a [53:16] couple years maturity to her now um it's it's a real marriage is more of a rehabilitation than it is [53:22] a maximum security you lock the cells you know yeah or the prisons you see on tv or in a movie [53:27] ain't that some like privilege right there because i'm telling you i don't know if it was [53:32] if it was not mckenzie if it was somebody else it'd kind of make you wonder if they would get the same [53:36] type of treatment you know they'd probably throw away the you know put them under the jail and throw [53:41] away the key that type of situation i don't know what to say i'm i'm in shock i really am but okay [53:50] she goes outside she's she's got a lot of freed other than being a joke she's got some freedom she [53:55] she's got a day and she does stuff they go outside um she's um she's starting to take classes [54:00] college classes she works in the kitchen you know she she's got jobs um what would she if this [54:06] hadn't have happened what would she be doing today she was she was looking at modeling and fashion and [54:11] stuff like that and we were with the barber she was with the barbers and there was a big stink about [54:14] that there was something that was she was going to something or something was planned and it was just [54:18] them talking you know it wasn't us going hey we're going to do it it wasn't it wasn't that kind [54:22] it's it things are blown so far so far out of proportion sometimes it was just something she was [54:27] involved with prior and during the accident or during this you know during her rehabilitation [54:32] or whatever you know so it's it's not a it's again not a colorblind thing she was what had [54:36] nothing to do with remorse it it was about something she was doing already you know there was plans or [54:41] there was you know it was plans and we were just they were just talking about it that's all it wasn't [54:46] it wasn't anything nefarious against the boys or oh my god look she's trying to be a model after [54:51] she was trying to be a model prior it was just part it was a continuation of what she already started so [54:56] um is there anything else you'd like to clear up that you think is [54:58] all right no i i could i could clear every little misconception out and there'll still be [55:03] the people on the internet making their own assumptions i don't know how many podcasts i've [55:06] watched them all their information anything they had the gist of the story there's a crash two boys [55:10] died mckenzie okay but all their facts are wrong you know i okay i hear well she was doing this and [55:15] she was doing that i mean there's just unless you unless you really delve into it and look at the [55:20] transcripts and look and you're not gonna you you can't see i don't know how people can get on and [55:24] actually say well she did this and she didn't you know she didn't plan it um that morning the boys [55:29] woke her up there was no fighting the whole time they were there um even the one the boy who owned [55:34] the boy whose house he was at even said someone they weren't fighting rosie and baba both said they [55:38] weren't yeah there was no fighting it wasn't okay what happened that's the question is what happened [55:44] what led to her to speed up and you can't say somebody else was driving the car right so then what [55:50] happened what is the justification and and what does he think she's actually guilty of um my understanding is [55:57] mckenzie's hit her head on dom's lap almost all night for when she was sleeping okay um they got [56:02] the boys got her up they got in the car they my again my understanding is there's a grocer or it was a [56:08] um organic good food kind of you know local honey you know good stuff you know for you and my daughter [56:14] and dom were eating healthy um so they have lockers outside so if you buy say potatoes she'll put the [56:20] potatoes in the locker give you the number and then you can come by at any time and pick it up it was a [56:23] convenience for the customer so it makes now i don't know if they were going there again for sure [56:28] because i don't know um but that would be on the route that would be the quickest way to [56:33] and they had planned on making dinner that night or going to dinner or doing something they were [56:36] planning her birthday um they weren't again they were not breaking up for anyone to say they were [56:41] breaking up it is a lie it is there's no base there's it's it's a baseless narrative from the [56:47] prosecution um it's it's just it's an absolute lie and they were never going to break up to my dismay [56:53] mind you i would every time they did break up i was happy i was like oh please please please please [56:57] mind you again see this is this is not good this does not look good at all uh it's a lie they weren't [57:03] going to break so okay okay and even if they weren't does it matter at this point i mean literally [57:12] don was a gentleman over here and he and and he was very respectful he was respectful at any [57:18] place where he went he okay so i mean i i don't but um again i knew i know he didn't have a job he [57:24] didn't he didn't have a job i and he had hundreds of dollars on him at all time um we went to dinner [57:30] and he pulls up he fanned out you know more money you asked him like where'd you get that i i just i [57:36] knew i i know what he was doing um i it must have been good i mean he i mean he's got the whole high [57:42] school and right next to him you know i i again i'm not i'm not saying that to slandered dominic [57:49] um it just it is it's just what it is um yeah i don't i don't know i i mean literally you allow [57:57] her to live with him though that's the thing right because it's crazy work except the lack of evidence [58:04] and well the lack of evidence that that supports the judge's summation there is none um they threw in [58:11] at the last minute this well the cell tower pinged and you were there so you were checking it out [58:14] i that's a leap you're in you're in the city you're in strongsville and a cell tower in [58:18] strongsville in an area that you're down all the time picks up your phone and that how do you leap [58:23] from okay you're you're casing this this spot out that that's from a judge that's from a sitting judge [58:28] of how many years what 15 20 years or something like that she's been on she's been on the bench a [58:32] long time and that came out of her mouth you case this place out that's no no there's no there's [58:38] absolutely no now if they had a picture if they had a picture of her doing it and she's over there [58:43] looking and in one of her posts she goes i was checking out the crash site today sure look if [58:48] you can prove to me she did it with intent then she's right where she belongs that's where it comes [58:51] down for me is is proving the intent and it seems to me that the only way you anybody could possibly [58:57] do that in a situation is to get inside her mind which we can never do we can never know which is why [59:02] i think if it had gone to a jury of 12 people oh she would know of those people she would have never [59:07] got convicted she'd be she'd be free today she'd be going on with her life um but there's she'd be [59:13] free it just that's the truth and but they'll let you know that her look he she should be free [59:19] that's what i'm saying it's like so that's what free mckenzie is she should be free it's not about [59:25] a lesser charge she should be free that's how i so in my opinion it doesn't seem like he feels like [59:32] she didn't this was nothing but an accident right that's what he just said okay whereas mom who did an [59:40] interview on another channel she's over here saying well you know we're not saying that she [59:44] can't have any like they're not on the same page when it comes to this because i hear something [59:47] different from mom versus from him but he is saying she should be free she should be free when asked her [59:53] about a jury or bench she asked for a jury and he talked her out of it what's the benefit of a bench [59:59] trial over i don't know i'm not a lawyer you got you're gonna have to ask jim mcdonald i mean he he [1:00:03] clearly knows a lot better than me you know i want i told her to get a jury trial you want to you're not [1:00:08] going to get 12 people that are going to go along with this what what's her best chance of getting [1:00:11] out at this point we're we're at the state level um we well we knew the cauga county was going to be [1:00:17] she was not going to get any relief from that's just how cauga county is you know when we've talked [1:00:20] about that a little bit um you kind of have to be from cayuga county to understand um so we we knew [1:00:26] cauga county was going to was going to railroad us or you know what you call roadblock us at every [1:00:30] every pass and they did and they did you know um the the them them changing the coroner's report from [1:00:35] accidental the homicide was done illegally they needed to go through a court hearing to have it [1:00:38] done and they didn't the public court called them on it and all they did was smack their hand if this [1:00:43] had been any other trial they'd be back at trial that'd be a mistrial or that would be a reason to [1:00:47] go back to trial but but not in county because you know nancy margaret russo is blah blah blah um we're [1:00:53] fighting the we're still fighting the late oh yeah you were a day a day a day late day the my lawyer or we [1:00:59] had a public defender at first and and we talked to him for like a minute and he ordered the [1:01:03] transcripts from the trial because that's what you need and the transcripts from the bind over [1:01:07] there's two different trials one that the juvenile lover wants the trial well when the new lawyers [1:01:12] um eric nemachek got a hold of it um all he had was the trial so he put in for the the bind over [1:01:18] stuff and the binder stuff came a month later so he thought he had a little more time yeah and and [1:01:22] it was a leap year it's almost like again another perfect storm but and who was who was the person to [1:01:26] rule that it was a day late that would that's what that's well when we when they put the brief into [1:01:32] because it goes back to nancy yeah right that's what i thought it was isn't it isn't that crazy [1:01:36] it goes back to the judge who's already biased yeah okay she's already biased she's she's biased [1:01:41] herself and if anyone can't see that she doesn't want to overrule she's not gonna overrule herself oh [1:01:45] my god that ego must i don't know how she walks in and out of the room with that kind of ego you know [1:01:49] oh my god the judge is biased every everybody's done this child wrong y'all this child this this [1:01:59] girl everybody the judge is biased i'm like okay um it's unfortunate that a sitting judge of that long [1:02:08] ruled that way and enacted that way um maybe it makes sense why she didn't get re-elected or [1:02:12] on the new bed a new seat she wanted you know it may maybe make sense why the democratic party didn't [1:02:15] endorse her you know i you know i we heard we've heard that there's some investigation going on about [1:02:20] her you know who knows you know i again but a sitting judge that long on the bench can't decipher [1:02:26] between um fact and speculation she's either incompetent dirty or both sorry um but the thing [1:02:35] oh my gosh let's talk about tim troop tim troop in the documentary you hear him he's on camera saying [1:02:41] well we looked at everything we looked we turned everything over and we we looked at everything so [1:02:45] it's this yeah what do you mean you looked at everything what exactly did you look at you how do [1:02:50] you go from well we looked at all this so if it was none of this it has to be this yeah that's again [1:02:54] that's a jump that's that's a well i have an expert there saying that the the slipper might not have [1:03:00] caused the accelerator to stick but that's one guy's opinion oh that slipper i didn't even talk [1:03:06] about the slipper if i see if i see that in an accident scene where you've got the black box data [1:03:11] showing that the accelerator was pushed all the way to the floor and then there's a slipper stuck like i [1:03:16] mean yeah well yeah like i said i it's it's it's it's it's probably what do you call it on um without a [1:03:23] shadow of a doubt it's a doubt you could it's it's a it's a plausible realistic doubt that that [1:03:29] that judge should have taken into consideration then again our lawyer should have done hit her [1:03:32] lawyer and i'm gonna call my lawyer i would never have that guy as my lawyer um that's hindsight by [1:03:37] the way um yeah but if he would have fought that's a good point somebody said in the chat um [1:03:43] k1 says wait they appealed but he's out here yapping my guy shut your mouth he said actually [1:03:49] that's one of the things that he said that makes total sense the judge was biased you did the judge [1:03:53] was biased she's just a normal judge though a lot of them aren't fair to the defense you said the [1:04:00] shoemaker is planning to ruin their family oh my god her prison pod mate have nothing nothing good to [1:04:07] say about her yeah they've been they've been out here saying the most i just don't know i don't know [1:04:13] man this is insane like keep talking sir keep talking her and brought some of the stuff up i mean [1:04:21] now in his defense i'll go this way i'm he thought there was nothing they didn't have anything i think [1:04:25] maybe that's what he's doing because it's the burden of proof is on the prosecution so he doesn't [1:04:28] really have to say anything you have to prove it and i don't think and i don't believe and i and if [1:04:31] you listen to that prosecutor did not prove intent um but tim troop on in the documentary says i don't [1:04:38] i i looked at everything and i couldn't figure it out so it has to be this it's almost like the [1:04:41] the wife dies in an accident in the house and they look at everything but it's the husband yeah it's a [1:04:46] it's a jump it's a jump it's a it's a lazy jump it is um in the detective i don't know how that guy [1:04:52] has his job i don't know how he became a detective um that's my opinion um this is a lazy dude um he [1:04:59] was in the bind over he was on the stand and the only time mackenzie's lawyer was doing anything for [1:05:03] her was when he was cross-examining him and at some point he goes to the he goes to the detective and [1:05:07] goes what do you think happened and he stammers i don't know and i wasn't in there because i was [1:05:13] supposed to be a witness he and me and jim argued back and forth because i didn't like how jim was [1:05:17] talking and saying and doing stuff um so he kept me out of the room so i didn't upset the cart i guess um [1:05:24] but if i'd have been in there i would i would have shouted our lawyer should have turned to [1:05:28] um the judge who's an o'malley who i think is a sister or a brother or a cousin to michael o'malley [1:05:33] um and should have turned to that judge said motion to dismiss how does the guy who's finding all this [1:05:39] evidence all this massive evidence not speculation evidence not not i think she did it oh we believe [1:05:47] she did it oh i feel she did it it's evidence i don't know why he didn't turn that judge and go how [1:05:51] does this guy who knows all this who's who's the keeper of all the evidence not know so if this guy [1:05:56] doesn't know if this guy the guy who's looking at it doesn't know if he doesn't know how do you even [1:06:01] charge somebody with any kind of thing you don't know you're guessing you're making a guess you [1:06:06] watched csi last night and you're making a call off of watching csi a couple episodes this this guy's a [1:06:11] danger he's dangerous this is a dangerous detective out of strong so he's dangerous anybody you pulled [1:06:16] over now and strong still speeding it's attempt so now the detective is dangerous and this is true [1:06:22] don't forget that we can't forget this right i remember there was a documentary and it was [1:06:26] regarding the juvenile system this was many years ago where judges were being incentivized uh by like [1:06:33] basically uh sentencing convicting you know juveniles and some of the crimes that were they [1:06:41] weren't that harsh and they would send them to like facilities and stuff like that where they would [1:06:45] get like kickbacks so this is a thing i don't want to say that doesn't happen but in this specific [1:06:50] instance i don't know man it's like a reach for it all at first it was the russo name then it was [1:06:57] i don't know man i just i don't know the murder that's the that's the precedent they've set with [1:07:02] this case how long do you think she'll be in jail i don't know i i don't know are you are you preparing [1:07:08] for a long haul are you very hopeful i'm i'm hope i'm hopeful somebody with some common sense [1:07:13] and can look it can look at everything i mean not the not the minutiae not the the screaming people [1:07:19] online but look at look at the evidence this this you know a b c d whatever and look and [1:07:23] subjectively look at what was presented and and look and say look okay you got some black box [1:07:29] information the car was going fast you can't explain the car you can't explain the speed [1:07:32] um the video clearly shows the brakes going on no matter what the expert says it's funny that it broke [1:07:37] there and it didn't break there there or there so if that's a safety feature for a car i i've been 100 [1:07:41] in a car i i don't remember my car breaking for me when i was going over 100 you know um i again i'm not [1:07:47] saying it's right i'm just saying it is you know so i i don't i don't get it and she didn't drive [1:07:52] directly into that building she drove into mind you it's apples to oranges here you know she hit [1:07:56] that sign first and that sign buried her into that building you know i i what would happen if she kept [1:08:00] going straight you know i i don't i don't know they bailed that i don't know i don't i don't know [1:08:04] you said it she hit the sign she she hit the she hit she hit she hit she did it i mean at least he said [1:08:13] that um i know my daughter didn't do it on purpose i know when my daughter lies that was part of the [1:08:18] documentary too i gave a story where something happened at the school and blah blah blah but [1:08:21] i know when my daughter wait wait wait wait what did he say hold up hold up i know she didn't do it [1:08:26] on purpose and i know she lies safety feature for a car i i've been 100 in a car i i don't remember my [1:08:32] car breaking for me when i was going over 100 you know um i again i'm not saying it's right i'm just [1:08:38] saying it is you know so i i don't i don't get in she didn't drive directly into that building she drove into [1:08:43] mind you it's apples to oranges here you know she hit that sign first and that sign buried her into [1:08:47] that building you know i i what would happen if she kept going straight you know i i don't i don't [1:08:51] know they bailed that i don't who knows i don't i don't know um i know my daughter didn't do it on [1:08:55] purpose i know when my daughter lies that was part of the documentary too i gave a story where something [1:09:00] happened at the school and blah blah blah but i know when my daughter lies i know she lies and i know [1:09:04] when she lies okay it's my daughter i i there's there's a twinkle in her eye there's something i can tell [1:09:10] when she's not being honest with me she doesn't look at me you know it's not a it's my daughter [1:09:14] you know and if that makes me a bad parent bad parent you know um i'm not a bad parent um i did [1:09:20] my best with my daughters um i i try to teach them rather than punish them um i mean this world's crazy [1:09:28] you know and there's there's some crazy stuff that goes on there's some crazy people in this world um [1:09:33] so i was doing my best to teach her and and i picked i picked my battles that i felt happen how was [1:09:39] i ever going to stop her from smoking marijuana my daughter should have been charged with vehicular [1:09:42] homicide two counts in juvie court and she never left um the juvenile judge took out the aggravated [1:09:48] murder thing in juvie court and that's that's what i'm saying y'all it's convenient this is what [1:09:52] bothers me and i know it's not an issue of it's literally just maybe an issue just that bothers me [1:09:58] it's convenient they want to she's acting like an adult she's living like an adult living outside of [1:10:04] her home with a man and she's doing adult things reckless things at that smoking and driving right [1:10:09] when she shouldn't be she's not giving a care about anything and that's and now you want to apply the [1:10:15] juvenile law the the juvenile court the juvenile this right but you were allowing her to live like an [1:10:21] adult but when she commits the crime that's when you want to apply the juvenile the juvenile court at [1:10:28] all those like what that's the part that it's like oh okay so she should have been charged with [1:10:33] this it should have been this but it doesn't but y'all weren't treating her like a juvenile you were [1:10:37] treating her like an adult like i don't know man that's the part that i i don't understand [1:10:43] same reason i'm saying they should have never charged her in the beginning because there's [1:10:47] there's no intent there's no prior calculation there's no purpose it just it's not there and [1:10:53] again tim troop can get up there and you know and dum dum dum tim troop you know she did this and [1:10:58] i feel this it's not evidence he can fill all he wants it's not evidence and i think he did a [1:11:03] it's a it's a complete injustice to my daughter and that this has nothing to do with the boys it's [1:11:08] again tragic those boys died and she has some responsibility to it but what that is nobody is [1:11:12] ever going to know and because nobody was in that car and there's no evidence there's no story there's [1:11:17] no paper neither were you you weren't in that car you were not in that car you were not in that car [1:11:24] no note there's no video um my daughter in the remorse that's another thing that's huge i sat with my [1:11:30] daughter for three months in that room right there three months um watching her watch every video [1:11:37] every song every picture about that boy he had there was a shrine to him in my room trying to [1:11:43] cry herself to sleep every night i know the trolls are going she should cry herself to sleep she has [1:11:49] remorse she was upset if you would have heard her when she found out that dom died if you had heard [1:11:53] the sound that came out of her it would have crushed you um she's seven she was 17 she's a dumb kid [1:12:00] she wasn't breaking up she didn't do it on purpose and i've asked her did you do this on purpose and [1:12:05] she's gonna know and i would think if my daughter was that mad that mad at that boy to want to kill [1:12:11] him that way davion would have never been in the car right um this is this that makes no sense if she [1:12:18] was going to do that the dom there were guns all over that kid's house okay um where the guns come [1:12:24] from he bought them i don't know i don't know the reason i know it's the language that kid's house [1:12:30] that kid's house it's like the distance between we need to look at the victim because there's [1:12:35] something going on with the victim right there's but it's like this is crazy work man that's because [1:12:42] something was going on over there and he took all the guns and threw them in my daughter's trunk [1:12:46] and i went into my daughter's trunk to get something and in the trunk there was 10 15 guns [1:12:51] half of them were loaded i had i had it so that's how i know he has guns um i if she was going to [1:12:57] kill him yeah that's i would make that would make more sense to me but um and you don't involve an [1:13:02] innocent so that's that makes no sense there um something happened in that car no one's ever going [1:13:06] to know she's innocent of the charges they put upon her um again should have been juvenile [1:13:12] vehicular homicide two pounds and we would have went from there um she probably would have done some [1:13:16] jail time i'd be out by now or even yeah they should have charged the parents how do you even contact [1:13:22] her we we can see her twice a month um we visit um i mean they should have charged them too i don't [1:13:28] know it's like why do you let your daughter live like this i don't know it's about a three like a [1:13:32] three or three and a half hour visit um but again it's only twice my wife is able to talk to her [1:13:37] pretty much every day again sorry to the people out there it's it's our daughter i love my daughter [1:13:43] um i'm never going to stop waiting for her um i believe she was falsely falsely charged i i well no [1:13:50] one's ever going to be able to convince me unless you can put the evidence in front of me um would you [1:13:54] ever do another uh documentary documentary you're probably close to i'm going to get to being a [1:13:58] documentary i i i'm i'm upset i'm very disappointed in how that what they put out there right say [1:14:03] anything yes we talked we talked we talked to them last week and i blew my yeah blew my lid on [1:14:08] them you know i i they did um i'm upset that these people are able to profit i don't know if they got [1:14:14] paid i'm thinking that they did right that they were able to profit from this tragedy that's what [1:14:19] upsets me the most right that they were able to profit from this tragedy that's upsetting to me [1:14:26] that i don't know man it's crazy work but that's just my thought i don't think they were [1:14:32] i don't think they were very honest with us um i think they tried what they say in defense well [1:14:36] they were saying well we were trying to be you know unbiased and give both sides and i don't [1:14:40] really think they gave my daughters a fair shake at both sides i think they sensationalized especially [1:14:44] with my the comment about my you know talking about my daughter knowing my daughter's lying thing [1:14:47] yeah i just it had nothing to do with why she's in jail you know so are you uh are you are you [1:14:52] looking for a job i don't know if i have a job yet i'm pretty i'm guessing that i'm not going to i [1:14:57] my contract's up in june so i would hope that they'll pay me through june um they're doing some [1:15:01] sort of investigation i don't know how much more investigating they have to do i know my [1:15:04] is the direct result of the documentary i believe i believe it's a documentary yes i believe it's from [1:15:08] it um clearly a bunch of crazies from parma calling into the diocese is more factual to them [1:15:13] than talking to me you know this could have been over in a conversation you know i did you say it i'm like [1:15:17] you heard me say it well what did you mean by that i go while we were talking i i didn't care i don't care if [1:15:21] you i don't care it's none of my business what anybody does i i didn't care i don't believe that [1:15:26] venus i don't believe that i don't believe in one second they find other ways to do it i don't i've [1:15:33] heard this before and i don't believe it i don't i honestly believe that they they find other ways to [1:15:39] pay them it might not be a check right out for their interview but they find other ways to compensate [1:15:45] the people that interview i've heard this and there's other like loopholes to this my daughter smoked [1:15:50] marijuana i'm sorry that has nothing to do with my judgment that has nothing but it has nothing to [1:15:56] do with my my art teaching it has it has nothing to do with it has nothing to do with my kids i don't [1:16:00] i don't walk into my room and go okay today we're going to paint a painting and you should all do [1:16:03] marijuana it's i'm not doing that that's got to be the that's got to be the biggest knee-jerk [1:16:08] overreaction that i could you could ever imagine i i don't know why the school is not backing me up [1:16:12] i that that's to me that's that's that's not very catholic there's worse the compassion [1:16:16] of love the understanding they that they put out to everybody they want you to be that way but when [1:16:20] it comes to them you know what if i was a priest if i was a priest i'd be in another they'd move me to [1:16:25] another so you could continue continue on okay so mind you i'm sorry the diocese acted that way i'm [1:16:31] it's it's unfortunate it's disappointing it's disappointing how the how the documentary handled [1:16:35] this um i think they gave they gave the they gave the families a preview they didn't offer us which [1:16:42] should have which shelf which shelf loud now that they didn't want us to see it because my [1:16:46] understanding is that the the russos didn't like a part so they had them take it out so they had [1:16:50] some they had some edit they had some control of the editing which to me is it just it's unfortunate [1:16:55] it's unfortunate this whole thing is unfortunate and i again i believe i believe my daughter has no [1:17:01] idea what happened i i i she her she was so beat up her she had bruises all over her face um i those [1:17:07] airbags going off i don't know if you've ever seen an airbag deployment online i watched a guy with a [1:17:10] helmet get knocked out it didn't hit him so hard it knocked him out and that could have ended why the [1:17:15] arteries are you know so i don't know i just i love my daughter and he doesn't know who to blame i [1:17:20] think that's part of the issue too and i'm never going to stop and i will go to my death my deathbed [1:17:26] knowing she did not do what the prosecution and just this possibly incompetent on the take [1:17:32] judge did to her all right that's the interview i hope you enjoyed it i hope it was illuminating [1:17:37] let me show you guys the channel so you guys can check them out too um this is the channel james [1:17:42] renner i think is his name true crime uh this week okay he's a journalist i've never heard of [1:17:48] this guy before sounds like he might be new um to the youtube streets uh at least i've never heard of [1:17:54] him but shout out to him he did upload this interview about 20 hours ago and it's gotten well over 16k views [1:18:00] so you guys make sure you go check them out and support uh i am a new subscriber so i mean you know [1:18:05] it's not i'm not i don't like i don't i don't like uh i have some questions maybe there were some [1:18:12] other questions that i probably would have asked uh but you know i think what i'm also trying to [1:18:19] understand and be mindful is that he's coming to it from the perspective of uh a dad right like i'm a [1:18:28] dad and you know i'm always going to support my daughter no matter what so he his daughter can do no [1:18:33] wrong um in terms of that and that's that's a difficult position to be in overall i think a very [1:18:40] very difficult position to be in uh but i don't know man i just i got much to say about that i really [1:18:48] do okay let me shout out some people here y'all let me know what your thoughts are about that interview [1:18:53] was it good was it bad was it uh i don't know man um my reactions are there in real time because i [1:19:01] cannot i don't know it would take a lot of restraint for me not to say something and keep it cute and [1:19:06] everything uh sj thank you so much for the super sticker i appreciate it thank you thank you love [1:19:12] shout out to you james thank you so much for this yesterday i cut my adam's apple oh while shaving what [1:19:18] a mess there was apple juice everywhere ah james thank you so much for the super chat uh is it janeline [1:19:28] janeline thank you so much for becoming a member shout out to you guys make sure you guys are hitting the [1:19:31] like button please and thank you we are going to move on here because we are pressed in time now [1:19:38] apparently yesterday there was a unsealing of documents as it pertains to the anna kevner case [1:19:44] okay um and we're gonna re i wanted to understand what the prosecution is saying or what the federal [1:19:50] government is saying that the stepbrother did exactly so i i was able to get these uh transcripts [1:19:56] from plunder shout out the plunder make sure you guys support them i paid for these transcripts [1:20:00] through plunder uh shout out to plunder oh and abram by the way thank you so much for that uh cash app [1:20:07] uh we used it for five below i forgot to shout you out i think i ended and then you had left and i had [1:20:12] left but that's okay thank you i appreciate you love um but anyway so uh we did pay for them shout [1:20:18] out to plunder check them out i want to read what the prosecution has to say now the prosecutor's name is [1:20:23] uh starts with an a and last name is lopez and it's it's a good uh chunk so we're just going to read [1:20:28] through the details of what they say happened to anna and how they have concluded in their [1:20:34] investigation well at least how they found in their investigation that uh th the stepbrother is [1:20:40] responsible okay so let's get it together i have not seen this i just went and kind of highlighted [1:20:46] briefly the areas that i was like all right we're gonna read this okay and it starts the court says you [1:20:52] can move on to the facts okay this is miss lopez she says okay thank you your honor honor about november [1:20:59] 2nd just so that the court is clear uh this will carry through through this presentation t h who is [1:21:08] a 16 year old and the victim who is 18 years old female were united states citizens residing in uh i think [1:21:17] it's is it tutsville tootsville and at all times relevant to my presentation in the testimony the [1:21:23] victim's father christopher was married to t's mother chantelle therefore t and the victim were [1:21:29] step-siblings on or about november 2nd the victim and her family to include t departed the port of miami [1:21:37] in miami florida for a week cruise around the caribbean at some point they made a stop in consume mexico [1:21:46] now during this voyage the victim shared a cabin with her 13 year old half brother the minor witness [1:21:53] and t and that cabin was number 8343 the victim's father t's mother and the two minor female sisters [1:22:03] and stepsisters shared a separate cabin across the hall number 8341. now on or about november 7th 2027 [1:22:12] 2027 there's a typo there now on or about november 7th i'm pretty sure they meant to say 2025 after [1:22:21] members of the ship horizon which is a carnival cruise ship went into cab cabin 8343 to clean [1:22:29] to clean it and there they found the victim wrapped in a blanket and stuffed underneath her bed which was [1:22:36] the bed closest to the wall of the cabin according to the attendants who found her it appears that someone [1:22:42] had tried to hide her again by partially putting her underneath the bed putting a box of life vests [1:22:49] to cover the view of the body from the rest of the room it's it also had appeared that the bed had not [1:22:56] been slept in the carnival cruise line officials called the fbi who met the ship horizon at the port of [1:23:04] miami upon its return november 8th 2025 from the dates of november 6 2025 through november 7th when the [1:23:13] victim's body was found the ship was in high in the high seas it had left the port of consumel on its [1:23:21] way to back to miami after the fbi boarded the ship on november 8th they conducted numerous interviews [1:23:27] of the family members as well as looked at different things that the cruise ship had including close [1:23:33] circuit television and it was revealed that after the family had returned to the ship on november 6th [1:23:39] visiting consumel the family met for dinner on the horizon during the dinner the victim stated that [1:23:45] she did not feel well complaining of pain in her mouth due to her braces and an upset stomach so she [1:23:51] returned to her room cabin 8343 by herself and that was captured by the close circuit television as [1:24:00] previously stated the fbi then looked at the close circuit television and it revealed the movements of the [1:24:06] victim t as well as the 13 year old brother the minor witness now now he had been spoken to by the fbi as [1:24:15] well and he stated that he did go into the room for a short periods of time during the evening after [1:24:21] dinner and that was corroborated by the close circuit television he did say though um that after he [1:24:29] decided to come back to the room to go to sleep when he opened the cabin door to 8343 t put his arm out [1:24:38] to block the room entrance from opening and did not allow the minor witness to enter and yelled wait don't [1:24:45] come inside saying that he was changing the minor witness noticed that both the bathroom and the closet [1:24:52] doors were open and all the lights of the cabins were turned on which he thought was odd or excuse [1:25:00] me weird t then instructed the minor witness to wait outside of the cabin cctv captures this where [1:25:07] the minor witness then sits outside in the hallway right outside the door sitting down for a few minutes [1:25:14] before t opens the door and allows him to enter the minor witness acknowledged that the last time he had [1:25:20] seen the victim inside of the cabin was earlier in the evening when he had gone in for a minute to [1:25:27] retrieve something with his friends the cctv provided the following information about the movement of t [1:25:33] the victim the minor witness at approximately 7 38 pm the victim is seen entering cabin 8343 and this is [1:25:40] the last time the victim is seen alive by the cctv footage at approximately 7 51 pm the minor witness is [1:25:49] seen walking down the hallway 8343 with two friends he enters the room and quickly exits at some point in [1:25:57] the in the in that evening at about 7 35 pm t is entering the cabin cabin so t enters the cabin three [1:26:05] minutes before the victim enters the cabin and he is not seen exiting the cabin again by cctv until 10 13 pm [1:26:15] upon opening the cabin door at 10 13 pm t is seen looking left and right down the hallway appearing to check if [1:26:23] there is anyone in the hallway and then he walks outside of cabin 8343 this is the only time in which [1:26:31] t does that action when exiting the cabin door between 10 23 and 10 49 t is observed entering and exiting the [1:26:39] cabin approximately two more times then at 10 53 pm t exits the cabin is observed placing the privacy sign on [1:26:47] the cabin on the cabin door and reenters the cabin at 11 07 pm then from 11 21 pm to 11 23 pm the minor witness is [1:26:55] observed entering and exiting the cabin at 8343 excuse me is observed entering and exiting cabin 8343 [1:27:06] this is where he tells the fbi that he does not see his sister he sees her at he sees her at that initial [1:27:15] entering entering entering entering that occurred at 7 51 pm after the minor witness leaves at 11 23 pm at [1:27:23] approximately 11 31 pm t exits the cabin and enters at 11 44. then at 12 09 am in the morning now november 7th [1:27:32] the minor witness is seen entering the room is quickly observed not being let in and then he waits outside in [1:27:39] the hallway for a couple of minutes until he enters the cabin the cctv also shows that t exited the cabin [1:27:47] at approximately the t excuse me the cctv also showed that t exit exited the cabin a couple of times on the [1:27:57] morning between the times of 9 00 am and 11 30 pm excuse me am outside of the cabin okay so she corrects [1:28:07] herself and she says instead of pm 11 30 pm she meant to say 11 30 am during one of those specifically [1:28:15] and i'll get back to the time in between but 11 24 am the horizon state room attendant goes into the [1:28:22] cabin and then she is seen quickly coming out getting her supervisor who also comes into the cabin and that [1:28:29] is when the when they discover the victim's body at approximately 11 27 pm t is seen walking by the hallway [1:28:37] towards 83 43 and he walks by the cabin and he walks by the cabin he makes no efforts to look and [1:28:45] see what is happening inside even though so many people are still inside the cabin with the door open [1:28:52] he looks straight ahead and walks away basically the cctv the court intervenes it says let me stop you [1:28:59] you said at 11 27 pm i assume you meant lopez speaks am i apologize yes on november 7th cctv footage [1:29:09] essentially revealed that the victim never left the cabin 83 43 after she entered it at approximately [1:29:15] 7 38 pm or excuse me 7 38 pm on or about november 6 2025 now the body cam footage from the horizon [1:29:26] security officers corroborate the cabin's attendance description of how the victim's body was found [1:29:32] meaning it was wrapped in a blanket or a bed sheet stuffed underneath the bed with the box with that [1:29:38] box of life vests or life preservers placed on top of it to conceal its position now during the course [1:29:45] of the fbi's investigation on board the horizon after they viewed the cctv they tried to locate the [1:29:51] victim's cell phone because the family had mentioned that she was never without it they could not locate [1:29:58] it inside the room the cruise ship people had also indicated that they didn't take the phone or see [1:30:03] one in any way the fbi then eventually looked around and decided to look in the horizon's lost and found [1:30:10] office and the victim's cell phone was found there the circumstances surrounding it being there was that [1:30:18] a horizon crew member found it in a trash bin located in the near or um after located in the near or [1:30:27] something i can't pronounce of the ship on the starboard starboard aside meaning that the right [1:30:34] side of the vessel which i'm going to call the trash bin from now on it appears that it had been [1:30:42] seriously damaged as if it had been smashed and the screen was broken the fbi then looked back at the [1:30:50] horizon cctv footage from the morning of november 7 to see how the phone could have gotten out of the room [1:30:56] if we know the victim never left the room after 7 38 they found that t leaves the cabin at approximately [1:31:05] 9 26 a.m and then he returns to the room at 9 48 a.m then it then it reveals that at 9 50 t leaves the [1:31:16] cabin he's observed holding something in his left hand and it looks like he's reaching into the sweater [1:31:22] into the sweatshirt from his pocket after he leaves he is then observed walking to the uh to the main [1:31:31] ship there's a typo here a main ship lobby okay because cabin 8343 was towards the front of the [1:31:40] ship and he takes the stairs to deck 10 then walking to the uh i think it's apt or the near of the ship [1:31:48] through the lido marketplace restaurant i need to find out how what is this give me one second let [1:31:53] me pause is that how you say that it's commonly referred to the the rear or the back end of the [1:32:01] vessel so it's the um let me make sure i say it correctly i hate mispronouncing words and then not [1:32:09] knowing what they mean my bad y'all i'm hooked on phonics don't forget okay i think it's apt i think that's [1:32:18] how you pronounce that yeah it's aft it's one syllable slightly different depending on your regional [1:32:24] accent so it's aft hold up let me see say this correctly aft okay thank you it's aft thank you [1:32:38] thank you all right um okay so let's go back a little bit so then walking into the aft or the rear [1:32:47] of the ship through the lido marketplace restaurant the cctv footage shows that at 9 52 am t is observed [1:32:55] reaching into an area near the trash bin where the victim's cell phone is found now the trash bin [1:33:01] is not depicted directly by the cctv footage but it shows that t stayed in the area by the trash bin [1:33:08] for approximately 22 seconds he is then observed uh returning by the same route which he got there [1:33:14] at approximately 9 53 until he enters the cabin 83 43 at 9 55 the fbi contacted the cruise line [1:33:22] information technology officer to be able to trace the movement of the victim's cell phone that morning [1:33:27] and the following information was given to them and was provided that shows basically throughout [1:33:32] the cruise ship as people are using the internet in order for them to use the internet the ship [1:33:38] has routers throughout the ship and people's phones once they enter into the cruise ship [1:33:43] cruise ships wi-fi system will connect to these routers that information meaning the client's associated [1:33:50] history the mac address and the path connections to horizon wireless network for any particular phone [1:33:58] or computer is kept in their care custody and control as are records in the regular course of business [1:34:06] so the tracing of this information provided the following at approximately 9 26 when t is seen exiting [1:34:11] the cabin at uh exiting the cabin 43 83 43 on cctv as i mentioned the victim is not seen then at 9 27 when [1:34:21] the cctv shows him back shows him on the deck at 10 in the lido marketplace the victim's client association [1:34:29] history data with the cruise ship reveals that t and the victim's phone meaning the victim's phone is taking [1:34:35] the same route towards the aft of the ship as the victim's phone is hitting all of the wireless networks [1:34:42] or access points on the route wow sorry baby bunny's calling for me so let me see we're at page 30 [1:35:02] well this is actually yeah page 30. let me see how much more we have left okay oh it gets into the [1:35:14] assault okay so then it stops at 36 so we got like six more pages let's review this all right let's do this [1:35:20] quickly is this page 30 maybe today okay here it is all right all right here we go at approximately [1:35:38] 9 29 a.m the victim's phone connected to routers near uh deck 10 at the lido marketplace of the [1:35:44] horizon the client associated history show that the victim's phone is taking the same path of travel as [1:35:50] t is in the area as he is walking through the lido market on the cctv at approximately 9 32 a.m t is seen [1:35:58] smoking in the area of deck 11 then at 9 34 the victim's phone connected to routers near the smoking [1:36:06] area on deck 11 on the starboard a side of the horizon at the same place where t is seen smoking [1:36:12] a cigarette so he's smoking too at approximately 9 39 a.m the victim's phone connected to routers [1:36:18] near deck 12 the jogging deck which is the which is on the port side of the horizon at the same time t [1:36:25] is captured by cctv camera walking on deck 12 at the jogging uh track port side then it shows that t is [1:36:34] walking on the jogging track until approximately 9 46 a.m at approximately 9 48 a.m t is observed entering [1:36:41] cabin 8343 and then the victim's phone at 9 50 is connected to the router in the cabin 8343 so they [1:36:49] literally used all the routers in the in the ship to basically connect where he was walking to with [1:36:58] anna's phone so literally yeah and then he locked the younger brother out oh my goodness y'all like [1:37:05] this is insane so after he did what he did he basically took her phone and then he was walking [1:37:10] around with it and so as he's walking around with it the the phone is connecting to every router that is [1:37:17] like available i guess in the ship right that is insane and they're they trace those they trace it [1:37:25] because there's also cctv footage as he's walking okay so while he's doing so at 9 52 a.m t is observed [1:37:34] uh reaching the area of the trash bin while the trash bin again is not directly covered by the cctv footage [1:37:39] it shows that t stays in that general area for approximately 22 seconds and then at 9 53 a.m [1:37:46] he is seen observed by the cctv oh my god router cctv returned by the same route at approximately 9 55 a.m [1:37:55] he is then seen entering the cabin at the same exact time the victim's phone is located at 10 [1:38:00] at deck 10 at the star side near the router that is later found to be close to the star to the trash [1:38:08] bin uh located in that area a search warrant was obtained by the fbi for t's phone and the victim's [1:38:14] phone was also searched the phones did not reveal any information about the victim's murder nor did [1:38:18] it reveal the information about the relationship between the victim and t it neither shows a good [1:38:24] nor a bad relationship between the two the medical examiner dr jonathan some last name i can't say [1:38:30] shout out to dr jonathan for the miami date medical examiner's office also arrived at the horizon in [1:38:36] order to conduct his investigation at at that point the victim's body was moved from this location [1:38:43] after it was documented and then he began to undress the victim and uh to prepare to take her to the [1:38:49] medical examiner's office after they undressed the victim to conduct their preliminary examination [1:38:54] dr jonathan observed that the victim's underwear was worn in an unusual manner specifically the [1:39:01] underwear's waistband it will be noted that she was fully clothed with a sweatshirt and sweatpants so [1:39:09] they had to remove that to see the underwear the underwear's uh wrist waistband was observed to be [1:39:16] bunched up twisted and folded up the underwear was further found meaning the section that covers the [1:39:26] area entry area that part of the underwear was found to be inserted inside the victim's [1:39:33] area oh my god oh my god oh sorry y'all sorry um let's keep going based on this observation of the [1:40:06] underwear and the way it appeared on the victim's body dr john opined that there was an indication from [1:40:14] this preliminary examination of possible essay but would need to confirm with with further examination [1:40:21] therefore aren't on or about november 9th he conducted the autopsy of the victim during the [1:40:25] autopsy dr john first observed uh how do you say that hold up let me it's a medical word give me [1:40:31] one sec petechia lord have mercy petechia uh he said that he observed he noticed this petechia in the [1:40:57] victim's eye there you go medical words i can't pronounce victim's eyes and face significant area [1:41:01] of bruising were found on the sides and near of the victim's neck specifically more on the left side there [1:41:08] was also significant bruising of the victim's left ear a significant amount of grayish uh liquid was [1:41:14] present in the victim's um area canal okay down there area canal guys dr john at that point noted that the [1:41:23] petechian bruising were indicative of possible mechanical asphyxiation that meant that that means [1:41:29] stragulation and he additionally collected the collected an r kit from the victim as well as her nail [1:41:36] clippings there it is which is standard this is why i was wondering was which she her nails on or [1:41:42] about november 10th dr jonathan contacted law enforcement he stated that he had pulled excuse [1:41:48] me he had ruled that the victim's death was due to mechanical asphyxiation okay and most likely from [1:41:54] a chokehold with enough force that such bruising and blood were give me one second guys gotta mind my [1:42:05] words because baby buddy will come in okay um she's left now most likely from a chokehold with enough [1:42:13] force that such bruising and blood were in the ear area and that the manner of the victim's death was [1:42:19] homicide the final tox report for the victims for the victim found that there was therapeutic amounts of [1:42:27] now i don't know how to say this either hold up y'all believe what is that called bleep [1:42:34] bull bull blah blah blah something here it is pronounce this what is it butalbutal butal butal butal butal [1:42:50] okay that's what it says hold up the victim there so the final tox report for the victim found that [1:42:57] there was enough therapeutic amounts of butalbutal a medication with uh yeah so tylenol aspirin caffeine [1:43:04] and coating used primarily to treat tension headaches was present in her system but not found to be a [1:43:09] a contributing cause of her death the r kit and the fingerprint clippings were sent to the fbi in uh [1:43:17] with the sent to the fbi laboratory for testing on or about november 24 2025 they informed law [1:43:25] enforcement that all these reports have been provided to the to the defense so the court is aware and that [1:43:31] the swat from the victim's r kit tested positive for dna specifically to this case a swat number four a [1:43:39] swab number four a swab from inside the area tested positive for a male sperm in addition to the [1:43:46] victim's own dna and swab number five a second dna swab of the victim's area canal while negative for [1:43:55] sperm did test positive for male dna in addition to the victim's own dna based on the preliminary results [1:44:02] the fbi hold up guys um let's see based on the results based on the preliminary results the fbi [1:44:19] obtained a search warrant for t's dna which was signed by a district court judge in the middle [1:44:24] district of florida of florida and two dna swabs were taken from him dna swabs were also obtained from [1:44:31] a minor who lived um out of state with whom the victim had uh actual intercourse while on the cruise who i [1:44:40] will refer to as minor witness two huh okay the fbi laboratory compared the dna standards from t and [1:44:49] minor witnesses to the male dna profile and found in the two um vaginal swabs the results were as follow [1:44:59] as to swap for uh the one that tested positive for sperm minor witness two was con was excluded as a [1:45:07] contributor okay as i mentioned before the victim cna the female dna profile did belong to the victim [1:45:14] and was present in the mixture the result as to the main dna that was obtained from the sperm was that it [1:45:21] is 120 sextillion times more likely that the victim and t were it were the contribute the contributors of [1:45:30] the vic of the mixture then if the victim and an unknown unrelated person to t were the contributor of [1:45:37] the vic of the mixture therefore the results from this item had very strong support for the inclusion [1:45:44] of t as a contributor of the male dna in the mixture as to swab five the swab that came back sperm [1:45:53] negative but positive for male uh for male dna minor witness two was excluded as a contributor the female [1:46:00] profile as i mentioned before belonged to the victim the result that it is 1.2 septum septillion [1:46:09] times more likely that the victim and t were the contributors of the mixture than if the victim and an [1:46:16] unknown unrelated person were the contributors of the mixture therefore the results from this item had [1:46:23] very strong support for the inclusion of t as a contributor of the male dna in in the mixture subsequent [1:46:29] to these results dr john opine that all the evidence he found on the body as well as the evidence from the dna [1:46:36] were consistent with essay occurring and that this essay had happened um anti-morton that is before death [1:46:45] i will now call special agent uh andrew uh devalle from the fbi to testify okay we're gonna stop right there [1:46:54] that's 36 oh my gosh oh my gosh so those are the details of the stepbrother and there it is and that's [1:47:20] how they found the dna and concluded and then they tracked him through anna's own phone who she wouldn't [1:47:26] be without all throughout the ship well it's pretty black and white to me but i don't know man i'm gonna [1:47:36] let you guys go because i'm tired and my head is killing me now i gotta take some medicine after [1:47:41] that one um y'all let me know what you guys think in the comments um man we covered a lot today i will [1:47:48] see you guys on the next one hit the like button please and thank you shout out to everybody that [1:47:52] really uh supported today thank you so much for those that became members for the super chats i really [1:47:57] do appreciate it my mind is blown at this point i gotta go and get my mind off of this because i don't [1:48:02] anyways i'll see you guys on the next one bye guys bye bye